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00:00:00 ◼   ► so I was asking Marco what his all-time

00:00:03 ◼   ► favorite game was in the terms of not

00:00:07 ◼   ► just out of nostalgia and what you

00:00:09 ◼   ► thought was cool and what you loved but

00:00:10 ◼   ► something that you would play right now

00:00:14 ◼   ► again and enjoy it almost as much as the

00:00:18 ◼   ► first time because you know who can

00:00:19 ◼   ► recreate the first time but pretty darn

00:00:22 ◼   ► close that you would feel like this is

00:00:24 ◼   ► it just this is what I want to play

00:00:26 ◼   ► right now and it will be so much fun and

00:00:28 ◼   ► it'll be great and in any kind of

00:00:30 ◼   ► situation that you found that the game

00:00:32 ◼   ► was great the first time so whether it's

00:00:34 ◼   ► the best multiplayer or single-player it

00:00:36 ◼   ► doesn't matter however you wanted to

00:00:37 ◼   ► play the game and that was what made it

00:00:40 ◼   ► the best for you so what were your picks

00:00:43 ◼   ► huh well your pick I think was more

00:00:46 ◼   ► interesting well so my picks were first

00:00:52 ◼   ► portal second half-life 2 third what was

00:00:57 ◼   ► my third last of us that that's right oh

00:01:00 ◼   ► my goodness last of us which I most

00:01:03 ◼   ► recently played and forth was Dead

00:01:07 ◼   ► Rising because who doesn't love sticking

00:01:09 ◼   ► shower heads into the top Saddam B's and

00:01:11 ◼   ► seeing blood come out which is awesome

00:01:12 ◼   ► lucky him also broke a lot of new ground

00:01:14 ◼   ► right it was just like this huge like it

00:01:17 ◼   ► was just great going through the mall

00:01:18 ◼   ► tons of zombies and just going you could

00:01:21 ◼   ► either play through it or with like you

00:01:23 ◼   ► know the scenarios or you just go nuts

00:01:25 ◼   ► killing zombies like thousands at a time

00:01:28 ◼   ► it was amazing so yeah who wouldn't have

00:01:31 ◼   ► fun doing that again no matter what

00:01:33 ◼   ► Adams asking for help anyway yeah so

00:01:40 ◼   ► yeah

00:01:41 ◼   ► portals my first one because it's just a

00:01:44 ◼   ► brilliant witty wonderful game that I

00:01:48 ◼   ► think has a lot of replay value and is

00:01:51 ◼   ► fun and funny to me every time I play it

00:01:53 ◼   ► you know every time I'm hearing

00:01:54 ◼   ► something different I'm going even

00:01:57 ◼   ► though you go through the polls again

00:01:58 ◼   ► it's it's just great so I think that my

00:02:01 ◼   ► go-to favorite game definitely portal

00:02:04 ◼   ► because I will play it again at any time

00:02:07 ◼   ► and it still brings me joy

00:02:10 ◼   ► so my second favorite which was halfway

00:02:13 ◼   ► to which I has found incredibly joyful

00:02:16 ◼   ► to play and just because of the

00:02:19 ◼   ► storyline very similar to why I loved

00:02:21 ◼   ► the Last of Us I would enjoy playing

00:02:22 ◼   ► that again because I'm a rewatch er of

00:02:24 ◼   ► movies this is no I like to play games

00:02:28 ◼   ► with good stories over and over again

00:02:30 ◼   ► because I just wanted to quote unquote

00:02:33 ◼   ► see that movie again so it's the same

00:02:35 ◼   ► reason why I reread books I'm just a

00:02:38 ◼   ► rewatch er I like the comfort of a story

00:02:40 ◼   ► that I know because I don't like the

00:02:43 ◼   ► risk of wasting my time on uh something

00:02:45 ◼   ► that's gonna suck and you don't have

00:02:50 ◼   ► that much time you uh you need to decide

00:02:52 ◼   ► what you're gonna do with it so I'd

00:02:54 ◼   ► rather stick with something I know so

00:02:57 ◼   ► why I stick with you I mean not kidding

00:03:05 ◼   ► anyway uh I love you need a bill well we

00:03:11 ◼   ► were also discussing a little bit before

00:03:12 ◼   ► we decided to jump onto a Mike was Marco

00:03:15 ◼   ► and I used to play multiplayer half-life

00:03:18 ◼   ► 1 together the original half-life

00:03:20 ◼   ► half-life 1 deathmatch not just not

00:03:22 ◼   ► counter-strike just the actual

00:03:23 ◼   ► deathmatch from half-life 1 with all

00:03:25 ◼   ► those crazy maps and the rats maps and

00:03:28 ◼   ► kill box

00:03:29 ◼   ► I love the rats maps I loved going there

00:03:32 ◼   ► all those little holes and running

00:03:33 ◼   ► around the houses falling in the sink it

00:03:36 ◼   ► was great I think kill box is my

00:03:38 ◼   ► favorite half-life one deathmatch matter

00:03:40 ◼   ► I would just always die and kill box you

00:03:41 ◼   ► always wanted to play it and I thought

00:03:43 ◼   ► it was funny just that it existed but I

00:03:45 ◼   ► would I would always die every time well

00:03:47 ◼   ► one of the best things about kill box is

00:03:48 ◼   ► that it was one of the very few maps and

00:03:51 ◼   ► maybe maybe this was remedied after we

00:03:53 ◼   ► stopped playing but at least in the

00:03:55 ◼   ► first couple of years it was one of the

00:03:57 ◼   ► very few maps that you could have fun

00:03:59 ◼   ► playing with only two people and that

00:04:02 ◼   ► that was extremely unusual and so if you

00:04:04 ◼   ► had like you and a friend on a land and

00:04:07 ◼   ► there was no one else around because

00:04:09 ◼   ► everything sucked back then you could

00:04:11 ◼   ► still have tons of fun or I said I

00:04:13 ◼   ► pretty much any other map required like

00:04:15 ◼   ► you know at least for 4 to 6 people to

00:04:17 ◼   ► have any fun on did I play on my laptop

00:04:19 ◼   ► and you played on the desktop yep we did

00:04:21 ◼   ► that on my Toshiba year-old tooshie but

00:04:24 ◼   ► before I converted you to Apple products

00:04:25 ◼   ► that's right before I convert it to

00:04:26 ◼   ► Apple Prada

00:04:27 ◼   ► both on PCs yeah I had to convert you to

00:04:30 ◼   ► Windows 2000 and wasn't that the biggest

00:04:32 ◼   ► step in our relationship that I allowed

00:04:34 ◼   ► you to change my operating system that

00:04:35 ◼   ► was that was a huge step you started out

00:04:38 ◼   ► running I don't think it was any I think

00:04:40 ◼   ► it was 98 it was the beginning of our

00:04:42 ◼   ► real commitment together yeah mm-hmm you

00:04:45 ◼   ► know you got to build trust slowly

00:04:46 ◼   ► exactly but anyways so Marco your top

00:04:50 ◼   ► games because Marco is tricky

00:04:53 ◼   ► see this is a very telling question

00:04:55 ◼   ► because Marco is not a gamer I'm a

00:04:58 ◼   ► slight gamer I would say but you know

00:05:00 ◼   ► Marco he used to play more games than he

00:05:02 ◼   ► does now yeah I was more of a gamer like

00:05:04 ◼   ► in high school in college and before

00:05:07 ◼   ► high school you know you saw the kid but

00:05:08 ◼   ► I pretty much stopped playing games

00:05:11 ◼   ► around the time college college ended

00:05:14 ◼   ► just because I I you know I started

00:05:18 ◼   ► working and started programming more on

00:05:20 ◼   ► the side and just decided I I just never

00:05:22 ◼   ► really got into spending my time playing

00:05:24 ◼   ► games as opposed to like programming

00:05:26 ◼   ► pursuits that I wanted to do instead you

00:05:28 ◼   ► did play half-life 2 though yeah College

00:05:30 ◼   ► yeah I built a gaming PC right after I

00:05:33 ◼   ► graduated from college and it was the

00:05:35 ◼   ► least used computer I've ever owned

00:05:37 ◼   ► because I also at the same time bought

00:05:40 ◼   ► my first Mac laptop and and pretty

00:05:44 ◼   ► quickly switched entirely to using Mac's

00:05:46 ◼   ► full time so I had this

00:05:47 ◼   ► that's nice Pentium 4 gaming PC sitting

00:05:50 ◼   ► there doing almost nothing that I pretty

00:05:52 ◼   ► much built just to play half-life 2 we

00:05:55 ◼   ► both played it on there so yeah there we

00:05:57 ◼   ► go yeah I didn't at the time I didn't

00:05:59 ◼   ► know I was building it just to play

00:06:00 ◼   ► half-life 2 and it probably wasn't worth

00:06:02 ◼   ► it in retrospect I guess still picture

00:06:04 ◼   ► sitting there in the desk in the corner

00:06:06 ◼   ► of the room and I'm turning off all of

00:06:09 ◼   ► the pound II things in half-life 2 and

00:06:10 ◼   ► Markos behind me cracking up laughing

00:06:13 ◼   ► and I'm like what cuz I thought you had

00:06:15 ◼   ► to turn them all off because the first

00:06:16 ◼   ► one you get to it's on NVIDIA law states

00:06:20 ◼   ► that when you come to something with a

00:06:22 ◼   ► switch you should flip it exactly so I

00:06:24 ◼   ► went around almost dying at every turn

00:06:27 ◼   ► and like running like hell to try and

00:06:29 ◼   ► turn all these things off never

00:06:31 ◼   ► realizing they're keeping the outlines

00:06:33 ◼   ► away normally you flip a switch and then

00:06:37 ◼   ► often after you flip a switch the next

00:06:39 ◼   ► stage of the level opens up

00:06:41 ◼   ► and a bunch of enemies come at you so it

00:06:43 ◼   ► was a totally normal thing for you to

00:06:45 ◼   ► find a switch that was on turn it off

00:06:48 ◼   ► and all of a sudden you're rushed by

00:06:50 ◼   ► enemies I love that you're justifying my

00:06:52 ◼   ► ridiculousness and I love you for that I

00:06:54 ◼   ► mean it was hilarious to don't get me

00:06:56 ◼   ► wrong I can hear you laughing I didn't

00:06:57 ◼   ► understand why you were laughing at that

00:07:00 ◼   ► time why are we I'm like I'm just

00:07:02 ◼   ► playing a game this is hard why are you

00:07:04 ◼   ► laughing yeah you begged me to tell you

00:07:06 ◼   ► and I said when you beat the game I'll

00:07:07 ◼   ► tell you I was laughing yeah the second

00:07:10 ◼   ► playthrough was so much easier oh my god

00:07:13 ◼   ► that game was a joke after that oh my

00:07:16 ◼   ► god and I played on hard so there we go

00:07:20 ◼   ► anyway so yeah number one game mr.

00:07:22 ◼   ► Herman I mean for me number everything

00:07:25 ◼   ► past number one I have no idea it's it's

00:07:27 ◼   ► a tough it's a tough ranking but number

00:07:29 ◼   ► one is clear and that is total

00:07:31 ◼   ► annihilation no question total

00:07:33 ◼   ► annihilation it I've always been a big

00:07:36 ◼   ► fan of RTS games I spent a lot of time

00:07:39 ◼   ► playing Total Annihilation Land games in

00:07:42 ◼   ► in high school and I was a part of the

00:07:47 ◼   ► community I ran a fan site for a little

00:07:50 ◼   ► while I made my own third party units

00:07:53 ◼   ► that were terrible I was so into that

00:07:57 ◼   ► game and it kind of makes me sad that

00:08:01 ◼   ► that real time strategy games have not

00:08:04 ◼   ► died out but are pretty out of fashion I

00:08:06 ◼   ► mean I don't think we're see we're gonna

00:08:08 ◼   ► see a lot of them I mean already you'd

00:08:10 ◼   ► only see a good RTS game maybe once

00:08:11 ◼   ► every 5 or 10 years or rather you'd only

00:08:15 ◼   ► see a great one every 5 or 10 years like

00:08:17 ◼   ► like you know after ta came out they

00:08:19 ◼   ► were a bunch of other ones like I

00:08:20 ◼   ► thought command & Conquer generals was a

00:08:22 ◼   ► very good game I didn't think it was

00:08:24 ◼   ► great but it was very good it was a lot

00:08:26 ◼   ► of fun you know it was nowhere near

00:08:27 ◼   ► balanced it was completely ridiculous

00:08:30 ◼   ► once you could fill the buses with

00:08:31 ◼   ► rocket people that was that was it but

00:08:34 ◼   ► it was a it was a it was a very good fun

00:08:36 ◼   ► game but Total Annihilation is a great

00:08:39 ◼   ► game and there are very very few great

00:08:42 ◼   ► RTS a--'s and they come out very

00:08:44 ◼   ► infrequently and I I'm not sure we've

00:08:47 ◼   ► had one since then I mean I certainly

00:08:49 ◼   ► have not gotten into one as much that

00:08:50 ◼   ► doesn't mean anything you know there

00:08:53 ◼   ► even it had successors

00:08:55 ◼   ► Kingdoms was terrible but we all knew

00:08:57 ◼   ► that supreme commander was was the was

00:09:01 ◼   ► like the kind of unofficial sequel to it

00:09:02 ◼   ► and that was good but I never got like

00:09:05 ◼   ► because a super meter came out when I

00:09:07 ◼   ► was already in the workforce so like I

00:09:09 ◼   ► was past the time where I could easily

00:09:10 ◼   ► play with my high school friends so I

00:09:13 ◼   ► think this this is probably kind of like

00:09:14 ◼   ► you know you only think the music that

00:09:16 ◼   ► you liked when you were a teenager is

00:09:17 ◼   ► the best music and everything that came

00:09:19 ◼   ► after that sucked most of because at the

00:09:20 ◼   ► time you had like that was the music you

00:09:22 ◼   ► were discovering kind of like with an

00:09:24 ◼   ► adult dish mine for the first time and

00:09:25 ◼   ► you were forming your own tastes and you

00:09:27 ◼   ► had all this time to just listen to

00:09:29 ◼   ► music and do nothing else cuz back then

00:09:30 ◼   ► everything sucked there was no you know

00:09:31 ◼   ► Facebook or anything maybe that was

00:09:34 ◼   ► better but regardless you know there

00:09:39 ◼   ► probably have been better RTS games that

00:09:41 ◼   ► have come out since ta and I just

00:09:43 ◼   ► haven't noticed them but I I don't think

00:09:47 ◼   ► I'll ever recapture that again and the

00:09:48 ◼   ► problem is you know playing an RTS game

00:09:52 ◼   ► that shines on lands and that's a PC

00:09:55 ◼   ► game not a console game that that's kind

00:09:59 ◼   ► of like playing high school football

00:10:01 ◼   ► once you're out of high school like you

00:10:03 ◼   ► can't really ever get together and do

00:10:05 ◼   ► that very easily again you know like

00:10:07 ◼   ► it's like it's the kind of activity it's

00:10:09 ◼   ► like that's a want like I was in

00:10:10 ◼   ► marching band too it's another thing I

00:10:12 ◼   ► love Martin being a marching band but

00:10:13 ◼   ► like in school right like there is no

00:10:18 ◼   ► Westchester County marching band for 32

00:10:20 ◼   ► year olds like that's and I don't think

00:10:22 ◼   ► yeah I don't think I would want to be in

00:10:25 ◼   ► one or rather I shouldn't be in one even

00:10:27 ◼   ► if they probably have a Facebook group

00:10:30 ◼   ► if they do exist yeah that was Facebook

00:10:33 ◼   ► well I mean like my game during that

00:10:36 ◼   ► same era of my life was Starcraft and I

00:10:39 ◼   ► played the hell out of that game you

00:10:41 ◼   ► know I played it all the time with my

00:10:42 ◼   ► friends I played it I played through the

00:10:44 ◼   ► whole campaigns I I did the whole thing

00:10:46 ◼   ► but you know I don't have the same

00:10:49 ◼   ► nostalgia for it I just that's it it

00:10:51 ◼   ► isn't as good of a game probably not

00:10:53 ◼   ► because I just don't feel that love for

00:10:56 ◼   ► it but at the time it was all I played

00:10:58 ◼   ► you know I play all the time battlenet

00:11:00 ◼   ► we did like I know the lurker D and all

00:11:02 ◼   ► that kind of same leg like it just I

00:11:06 ◼   ► play that game so much and

00:11:08 ◼   ► it's just it's not in it's not in my top

00:11:11 ◼   ► five see to me Starcraft you know when

00:11:14 ◼   ► Starcraft 2 came out if actually a few

00:11:16 ◼   ► months after total Total Annihilation

00:11:17 ◼   ► did if I remember correctly it was it

00:11:20 ◼   ► was shortly afterwards and one of the

00:11:23 ◼   ► big problems ta had in the market was

00:11:25 ◼   ► that it required a very high-end

00:11:26 ◼   ► computer when it came out and almost

00:11:28 ◼   ► nobody had a computer powerful enough to

00:11:29 ◼   ► run it at the time it came out and

00:11:31 ◼   ► within you know two years that wasn't a

00:11:33 ◼   ► problem anymore but that too during that

00:11:36 ◼   ► two-year Starcraft came out and had way

00:11:38 ◼   ► lower system requirements Starcraft cuz

00:11:41 ◼   ► ta was actually rendering everything in

00:11:42 ◼   ► software rendered 3d it was except the

00:11:46 ◼   ► land but all the units and everything

00:11:47 ◼   ► everything was he was actually 3d before

00:11:50 ◼   ► 3d cards could really accelerate that so

00:11:52 ◼   ► everything was done in software and star

00:11:54 ◼   ► but Starcraft sorry Starbucks was also a

00:11:56 ◼   ► terrible Starcraft was a purely 2d game

00:12:00 ◼   ► everything about it was 2d and and it

00:12:02 ◼   ► showed and I think and Starcraft so not

00:12:05 ◼   ► only was it way easier on the hardware

00:12:07 ◼   ► at the time so it was more accessible to

00:12:08 ◼   ► people but it was also just an easier

00:12:10 ◼   ► simpler game there are way fewer units

00:12:12 ◼   ► you were dealing with much smaller

00:12:14 ◼   ► numbers of units in battles like in tau

00:12:16 ◼   ► would frequently have battles that

00:12:18 ◼   ► included 400 units C and when I was

00:12:21 ◼   ► playing I never even heard of TA and as

00:12:23 ◼   ► a little secret this is the first time

00:12:26 ◼   ► revealed to Marco the reason I got into

00:12:28 ◼   ► StarCraft was because my dad brought it

00:12:30 ◼   ► home and I thought it was neat so I was

00:12:33 ◼   ► expecting way worse yeah that's really

00:12:36 ◼   ► not that yeah my dad started playing at

00:12:40 ◼   ► first yeah took that over so yeah I I

00:12:44 ◼   ► think Starcraft I was never that into it

00:12:48 ◼   ► so I can't really judge that accurately

00:12:50 ◼   ► but I would I would ballpark it as being

00:12:53 ◼   ► of similar quality as command and

00:12:55 ◼   ► conquer generals which is it's a good

00:12:57 ◼   ► game and it's fun but it's not

00:12:58 ◼   ► necessarily maybe a great game now

00:13:00 ◼   ► didn't we play Civ 3 together no we

00:13:03 ◼   ► played rise of Nations

00:13:04 ◼   ► that's right national one we're like you

00:13:07 ◼   ► slowly advanced dirt through the years

00:13:09 ◼   ► yeah Army's get better and like if

00:13:11 ◼   ► you're on horses and then you have tanks

00:13:12 ◼   ► yep yep yep okay resignation because it

00:13:15 ◼   ► was kind of like a follow-on to the Age

00:13:17 ◼   ► of Empires games yeah yeah we enjoyed

00:13:19 ◼   ► playing that you tried to get me to play

00:13:21 ◼   ► TA and I just

00:13:22 ◼   ► and I couldn't love it with you so yeah

00:13:24 ◼   ► well and bye that's my like like me and

00:13:26 ◼   ► all my friends were complete ta experts

00:13:28 ◼   ► and when you're playing with a bunch of

00:13:31 ◼   ► experts as the newbie it's not very fun

00:13:33 ◼   ► no you know and Tia and like starcraft

00:13:35 ◼   ► ta also has a much higher learning curve

00:13:38 ◼   ► because there are so many more unit

00:13:39 ◼   ► types and everything you know the tech

00:13:40 ◼   ► tree is way bigger and everything just

00:13:42 ◼   ► everything's bigger and just has a bit

00:13:44 ◼   ► more of learning curve to it so that's

00:13:46 ◼   ► why ta didn't do as well on the market a

00:13:48 ◼   ► Starcraft that and the system

00:13:50 ◼   ► requirements being way higher but I

00:13:52 ◼   ► still maintain that you know I mean

00:13:54 ◼   ► chess has a learning curve doesn't make

00:13:56 ◼   ► it a bad game also all those games

00:13:58 ◼   ► they're not very good watching games you

00:14:00 ◼   ► know like all of my top games are great

00:14:03 ◼   ► watching games yeah it's it is they have

00:14:06 ◼   ► stories it's like watching a movie so if

00:14:07 ◼   ► you're just sitting with someone playing

00:14:09 ◼   ► a video game and you're the watcher you

00:14:12 ◼   ► know which I actually love watching

00:14:14 ◼   ► people play video games it's pretty not

00:14:16 ◼   ► that kind yeah just not uh you know

00:14:21 ◼   ► things like TA and Starcraft it's just

00:14:23 ◼   ► who wants to see it's just not fun yeah

00:14:26 ◼   ► there's no story it's all about the

00:14:29 ◼   ► battles right it's personal it's too

00:14:31 ◼   ► personal

00:14:31 ◼   ► exactly there was even I was reading

00:14:34 ◼   ► this article a couple months ago about

00:14:37 ◼   ► it was like it was like the German board

00:14:40 ◼   ► game designers they keep making all

00:14:41 ◼   ► these great German board games that we

00:14:42 ◼   ► all love like Settlers of Catan and

00:14:44 ◼   ► Porter and Puerto Rico and stuff like

00:14:46 ◼   ► that

00:14:47 ◼   ► Agricola however that's pronounced I'm

00:14:49 ◼   ► sorry and you know all these games and

00:14:51 ◼   ► they share a lot of the same qualities

00:14:53 ◼   ► of like what makes a game fun or not fun

00:14:57 ◼   ► and they were something big ranking and

00:14:59 ◼   ► like monopoly was ranked as one of the

00:15:00 ◼   ► least fun games and honestly monopoly

00:15:03 ◼   ► gets a bad rap I was an expert monopoly

00:15:05 ◼   ► player for like two years and so one fun

00:15:07 ◼   ► playing with Marco because he's so

00:15:09 ◼   ► serious with monopoly well monopoly gets

00:15:11 ◼   ► a bad rap because the number one

00:15:14 ◼   ► complaint people have about it is it it

00:15:15 ◼   ► takes too long the reason it takes too

00:15:18 ◼   ► long is because you have to wait until

00:15:20 ◼   ► everybody goes bankrupt and the way

00:15:22 ◼   ► people think they're making the game

00:15:24 ◼   ► easier and more fun for their family is

00:15:27 ◼   ► they have these house rules that inject

00:15:29 ◼   ► money into the game like oh if you land

00:15:32 ◼   ► on a free parking you get $500 or

00:15:33 ◼   ► whatever like all these like these rules

00:15:35 ◼   ► that

00:15:35 ◼   ► add money to the game and if you're

00:15:37 ◼   ► adding money and you're waiting for me

00:15:39 ◼   ► to go bankrupt that's gonna take longer

00:15:41 ◼   ► so all the house rules that supposedly

00:15:44 ◼   ► make monopolies easier make it longer

00:15:46 ◼   ► and so if you actually play by the rules

00:15:48 ◼   ► it doesn't take as long but anyway yeah

00:15:50 ◼   ► it only takes four hours instead of

00:15:51 ◼   ► eight it does not take four hours I mean

00:15:55 ◼   ► if you're playing with people who

00:15:56 ◼   ► already know how to play the game and

00:15:58 ◼   ► don't take forever to make their turns

00:15:59 ◼   ► you can complete monopoly game in like

00:16:01 ◼   ► an hour and a half

00:16:01 ◼   ► what's your monopoly piece wait let me

00:16:03 ◼   ► try and guess the race car of course

00:16:05 ◼   ► yeah all right what's my monopoly piece

00:16:08 ◼   ► hmm if you were playing today if I'm

00:16:13 ◼   ► playing

00:16:13 ◼   ► always maybe the thimble oh yeah I

00:16:17 ◼   ► forgot about the pimple did I just

00:16:21 ◼   ► change your piece

00:16:22 ◼   ► no I guess I have two favorite pieces

00:16:26 ◼   ► awesome I have a backup strategy the

00:16:29 ◼   ► backup piece in case you ready case

00:16:31 ◼   ► somebody takes it well I could I like I

00:16:33 ◼   ► like the pieces that I can interact with

00:16:35 ◼   ► while fiddling so you know just like I

00:16:39 ◼   ► like games where you can easily stack

00:16:41 ◼   ► the pieces I like I like the iron

00:16:43 ◼   ► because it has the little handle and I

00:16:45 ◼   ► like the thimble because you can put it

00:16:46 ◼   ► on your finger that makes sense yeah all

00:16:49 ◼   ► the other pieces you can't really

00:16:50 ◼   ► interact with them or like the ones like

00:16:53 ◼   ► like the the horse statue that just like

00:16:55 ◼   ► falls over so easily yeah that one's got

00:16:57 ◼   ► a dog those both got adorable and but

00:17:00 ◼   ► it's very highly contested so I just

00:17:02 ◼   ► rather stay out of that fight and even

00:17:04 ◼   ► though it's very much domestic Betty of

00:17:06 ◼   ► me too you know like the thimble and the

00:17:08 ◼   ► iron even though I hate ironing Marco

00:17:11 ◼   ► did all the ironing was you have a nice

00:17:14 ◼   ► fancy iron that you use at Christmas

00:17:16 ◼   ► that's for large amounts of fabric for

00:17:19 ◼   ► like ironing clothes well you don't

00:17:21 ◼   ► worry with my wardrobe now yes nothing

00:17:24 ◼   ► to do except for replace your shirts

00:17:26 ◼   ► exactly which I do don't you know I

00:17:29 ◼   ► literally do nothing online shopping is

00:17:32 ◼   ► wonderful so go back to monopoly yeah

00:17:34 ◼   ► and what the reason we're done oh the

00:17:37 ◼   ► reason I brought that up is because like

00:17:39 ◼   ► there is this article I'll have to blame

00:17:41 ◼   ► to it for the show notes for the show

00:17:42 ◼   ► that isn't a real show and there was

00:17:44 ◼   ► some article it was saying like you know

00:17:45 ◼   ► what makes games fun and everything and

00:17:47 ◼   ► one of the principles that makes games

00:17:49 ◼   ► fun is if one player can have like a

00:17:53 ◼   ► pretty clear victory early on and like

00:17:56 ◼   ► everyone kind of knows like that

00:17:57 ◼   ► person's probably gonna win but you but

00:17:59 ◼   ► like everyone has to play it through

00:18:00 ◼   ► anyway that is less fun right and also

00:18:03 ◼   ► one of the less fun things is if there's

00:18:05 ◼   ► player elimination in mid game so like

00:18:07 ◼   ► if someone it like officially loses the

00:18:10 ◼   ► game

00:18:11 ◼   ► but then the game doesn't actually end

00:18:12 ◼   ► for the other players for a while like

00:18:14 ◼   ► monopoly if you go back exactly so you

00:18:19 ◼   ► can look at video games and a lot of

00:18:21 ◼   ► them you know a lot of the multiplayer

00:18:22 ◼   ► games have these similar problems yeah

00:18:24 ◼   ► when you're playing like the bond games

00:18:26 ◼   ► and then one person dies and then you're

00:18:28 ◼   ► like well go get a drink I guess well

00:18:31 ◼   ► you know you just respawned oh don't you

00:18:34 ◼   ► know like deathmatch games or don't have

00:18:36 ◼   ► this problem like the team-based games

00:18:38 ◼   ► have a very slight version works like

00:18:39 ◼   ► there's something that you really like a

00:18:41 ◼   ► delay we're like you have to wait to get

00:18:43 ◼   ► back into it and like yeah that's really

00:18:45 ◼   ► it's a really short delay usually it's

00:18:47 ◼   ► not it's nice it's not significant like

00:18:49 ◼   ► you might have to wait for your whole

00:18:50 ◼   ► team to die or something but you're

00:18:51 ◼   ► you're waiting maybe thirty seconds to

00:18:53 ◼   ► two minutes you know you know you're not

00:18:54 ◼   ► waiting hours Tim where am I thinking of

00:18:57 ◼   ► it like he was totally getting knocked

00:18:58 ◼   ► out well in lots of games I mean but the

00:19:00 ◼   ► reason I brought this up is like RTS is

00:19:02 ◼   ► have this problem where like they have

00:19:04 ◼   ► they have both these problems where it

00:19:06 ◼   ► you can often often very early on it's

00:19:09 ◼   ► very clear if one person's gonna win and

00:19:10 ◼   ► they had like they have such a

00:19:11 ◼   ► commanding leave is so obviously to the

00:19:13 ◼   ► other players but you just kind of have

00:19:15 ◼   ► to wait until they come around and kill

00:19:16 ◼   ► you all that's no good and also if

00:19:18 ◼   ► you're playing a RTS round with more

00:19:21 ◼   ► than one of the person so if there's if

00:19:22 ◼   ► there's more than two players in a game

00:19:24 ◼   ► and you're the guy who gets killed right

00:19:26 ◼   ► you know in the middle slash no rush

00:19:28 ◼   ► right yeah if you're kind of person in

00:19:31 ◼   ► your olds it rush your base and kill you

00:19:34 ◼   ► with like three Zerg and that's it all

00:19:35 ◼   ► right

00:19:36 ◼   ► and that's so so death so that makes

00:19:38 ◼   ► them less fun with if you if you're if

00:19:39 ◼   ► you die first and have to sit around

00:19:40 ◼   ► waiting for your friends to finish the

00:19:42 ◼   ► game before you play the game and then

00:19:43 ◼   ► online as you just mention like the

00:19:46 ◼   ► reason I see I only ever played RTS

00:19:49 ◼   ► games with my friends

00:19:50 ◼   ► uh yeah other people online are totals

00:19:52 ◼   ► right like lately there are certain

00:19:54 ◼   ► certain game types can tolerate like big

00:19:58 ◼   ► mismatches and skill and have it not be

00:20:00 ◼   ► totally unfun for everybody else and

00:20:02 ◼   ► some

00:20:02 ◼   ► times it involves like you know giving

00:20:04 ◼   ► the people who are less skilled of bonus

00:20:06 ◼   ► stuff look like it like Mario Cart does

00:20:08 ◼   ► like that they're rubber banding they

00:20:10 ◼   ► call it of like mm-hmm

00:20:11 ◼   ► keeping with like artificially keeping

00:20:12 ◼   ► the players closer in the game but like

00:20:15 ◼   ► an RTS doesn't have that and so like

00:20:17 ◼   ► every time I try to play an RTS online I

00:20:19 ◼   ► would go into you know some lobby if

00:20:23 ◼   ► something started a game with some

00:20:24 ◼   ► people and I would just I would die

00:20:26 ◼   ► within like five minutes it's like to

00:20:28 ◼   ► get what you know these are people who

00:20:30 ◼   ► were like really advanced players who

00:20:31 ◼   ► knew all like this the special build

00:20:33 ◼   ► order to optimally come and rush people

00:20:35 ◼   ► as soon as possible I mean the same

00:20:37 ◼   ► thing happens for first-person shooters

00:20:38 ◼   ► to though you go online and they just

00:20:40 ◼   ► like blow your head off the second you

00:20:42 ◼   ► walk out and that's it like it's over I

00:20:45 ◼   ► feel like with the first-person shooters

00:20:46 ◼   ► they like you have you at least have a

00:20:47 ◼   ► chance like get one shot off sometimes

00:20:49 ◼   ► and the most recent 13 year olds they're

00:20:52 ◼   ► brutal

00:20:53 ◼   ► oh my gosh they are too good at games

00:20:57 ◼   ► well I loved the Last of Us so I tried

00:21:00 ◼   ► to play it online for like two seconds

00:21:02 ◼   ► and forget it oh it was over they were

00:21:04 ◼   ► like you're ruining our team you're dead

00:21:06 ◼   ► and that's it and I was like I'm so out

00:21:08 ◼   ► of my league yes go back to my quiet

00:21:11 ◼   ► living room maybe why I stopped really

00:21:14 ◼   ► playing games as an adult because like

00:21:16 ◼   ► my friends are my friends were used to

00:21:17 ◼   ► play games with in college in high

00:21:18 ◼   ► school they're all you know different

00:21:20 ◼   ► states different things they have jobs

00:21:21 ◼   ► they have kids whatever like so what

00:21:24 ◼   ► about kids but you would love journey

00:21:27 ◼   ► john shoutout to you

00:21:29 ◼   ► journeys great online cuz you don't have

00:21:32 ◼   ► to really interact with anyone cuz no

00:21:33 ◼   ► one can kill you well this is this is

00:21:35 ◼   ► part of the reason why like these days

00:21:38 ◼   ► if i'm gonna play a game at all i really

00:21:40 ◼   ► care more about either either like a

00:21:42 ◼   ► casual game that you can just play with

00:21:44 ◼   ► anybody you know like letterpress like

00:21:46 ◼   ► in a turn-based like you know

00:21:47 ◼   ► intellectual games that are not that not

00:21:50 ◼   ► that hard you know for people like not

00:21:52 ◼   ► that big of a skill gap it becomes a

00:21:54 ◼   ► problem there so the things like

00:21:56 ◼   ► letterpress or these games that have

00:21:59 ◼   ► really good single-player modes that I

00:22:00 ◼   ► never even even either isn't a

00:22:02 ◼   ► multiplayer mode or I don't need to play

00:22:04 ◼   ► it to really enjoy the game I think I

00:22:06 ◼   ► think games like Draw Something where

00:22:07 ◼   ► people's vastly different skill levels

00:22:10 ◼   ► make it even better because someone who

00:22:12 ◼   ► can draw amazing makes it fun because

00:22:14 ◼   ► they can draw amazing and then

00:22:16 ◼   ► someone who draws awful makes it fun

00:22:19 ◼   ► because it's hilarious how awful people

00:22:21 ◼   ► draw things but yeah you can still guess

00:22:23 ◼   ► what it is exactly is that game still

00:22:26 ◼   ► around

00:22:26 ◼   ► didn't they sell like a gazillion

00:22:27 ◼   ► dollars to somebody that was a good

00:22:29 ◼   ► story so we know the guy Charles who

00:22:31 ◼   ► Charles Horman who was the founder of

00:22:36 ◼   ► like with you oh my god oh my god he's a

00:22:41 ◼   ► character if you're listening Charles

00:22:43 ◼   ► you are great he's not listening but

00:22:47 ◼   ► anyway yeah no that was a good story

00:22:50 ◼   ► actually so so that it was this company

00:22:51 ◼   ► called Ivan like with you that first was

00:22:54 ◼   ► some kind of like like dating game and

00:22:57 ◼   ► then he it was and it was all flat it

00:22:59 ◼   ► was this big flash game for the web

00:23:01 ◼   ► browser this is all before this was a

00:23:03 ◼   ► couple years before the iPhone I was

00:23:04 ◼   ► like 2006 within seven you're right in

00:23:06 ◼   ► the beginning a tumbler yeah yeah yeah

00:23:09 ◼   ► so is this big flash game he very

00:23:11 ◼   ► quickly discovered that rather than like

00:23:14 ◼   ► scoring these points that you could use

00:23:16 ◼   ► for dating purposes which is what it

00:23:18 ◼   ► originally was he discovered this making

00:23:20 ◼   ► making casual flash games was way easier

00:23:24 ◼   ► to get people to care about it and use

00:23:25 ◼   ► it and there was way more money in that

00:23:27 ◼   ► so this first insight pivoted into that

00:23:29 ◼   ► and so even though it was called I'm in

00:23:31 ◼   ► like with you it was just these these

00:23:32 ◼   ► like stupid games it had nothing to do

00:23:34 ◼   ► with dating and it eventually in tons

00:23:36 ◼   ► and tons and tons of stupid games right

00:23:38 ◼   ► it was like like you know how like most

00:23:40 ◼   ► of the first games for the we were like

00:23:42 ◼   ► collections of mini games Charles's

00:23:45 ◼   ► stuff put that to shame like there would

00:23:47 ◼   ► be so many of these things like anyway

00:23:50 ◼   ► and then see it was renamed OMG pop and

00:23:53 ◼   ► that's what it was for a while and then

00:23:55 ◼   ► one of the games they made for that for

00:23:58 ◼   ► that site that was just a collection of

00:24:00 ◼   ► flash games one of the games they made

00:24:02 ◼   ► eventually whether and I don't know

00:24:05 ◼   ► whether it was flash first or not but

00:24:07 ◼   ► was draw something so you and you can

00:24:10 ◼   ► tell me that it looks like it looks like

00:24:12 ◼   ► a casual flash game it's like hangman

00:24:15 ◼   ► for drawing yeah like it just it looks

00:24:18 ◼   ► like it was made by flash developers

00:24:20 ◼   ► because it was and it plays like a

00:24:22 ◼   ► casual flash game because it basically

00:24:24 ◼   ► is so that came out and his company was

00:24:28 ◼   ► basically in shambles at this point

00:24:30 ◼   ► far as I know I don't have any inside

00:24:31 ◼   ► info because we stopped talking to them

00:24:32 ◼   ► you know we just stopped seeing him cuz

00:24:34 ◼   ► we moved out of the city we stopped

00:24:35 ◼   ► seeing everybody yeah yeah so we you

00:24:37 ◼   ► know I haven't talked to Charles Foreman

00:24:39 ◼   ► and since 2006 I think but but from what

00:24:43 ◼   ► I've heard his company was really like

00:24:44 ◼   ► in shambles and and they happen to have

00:24:47 ◼   ► this one game draw something that was

00:24:49 ◼   ► taking off like crazy on the iPhone and

00:24:51 ◼   ► iPad and right at the peak of that game

00:24:55 ◼   ► when it was as big as it could possibly

00:24:57 ◼   ► be

00:24:57 ◼   ► Zynga bought their company for like a

00:25:00 ◼   ► gajillion dollars for some massive

00:25:02 ◼   ► amount of money Zynga bought the whole

00:25:03 ◼   ► company which was in shambles and then

00:25:07 ◼   ► and it turned out Zynga bought them

00:25:09 ◼   ► literally at the peak of draw something

00:25:12 ◼   ► like the game started plummeting and you

00:25:14 ◼   ► see because you know it was a fad so

00:25:16 ◼   ► right after the game was bought but a

00:25:19 ◼   ► chillin playing it for like three days

00:25:20 ◼   ► and like everyone played it yeah every

00:25:22 ◼   ► like even my dad was playing it we were

00:25:24 ◼   ► laughs its Derek about everyone's

00:25:26 ◼   ► drawings oh yes everyone was playing it

00:25:28 ◼   ► but then it just dropped like a rock and

00:25:30 ◼   ► this would be a terrible story for the

00:25:32 ◼   ► person who bought it if it wasn't Zynga

00:25:34 ◼   ► who's just evil like so

00:25:36 ◼   ► nobody ever should feel any sorrow for

00:25:38 ◼   ► Zynga for anything so it's great like

00:25:40 ◼   ► it's it's like if bin Laden got ripped

00:25:43 ◼   ► off in a deal like you'd like nobody

00:25:45 ◼   ► nobody thinks badly of that I mean you

00:25:49 ◼   ► know they're on that they're not that

00:25:49 ◼   ► bad but but they're they're they're not

00:25:51 ◼   ► good people

00:25:52 ◼   ► you know like they're you know that was

00:25:54 ◼   ► obviously hyperbole but I think it's not

00:25:57 ◼   ► good people

00:25:58 ◼   ► so nobody cares if everything it gets a

00:26:01 ◼   ► bad deal so anyway oh my god I was

00:26:08 ◼   ► getting a B Tetris I think if if I had

00:26:11 ◼   ► to pick a game that was the best game in

00:26:13 ◼   ► the world I would say Tetris but I

00:26:16 ◼   ► haven't played Tetris in a very long

00:26:18 ◼   ► time because I used to play like crazy

00:26:20 ◼   ► on my graphing calculator in school but

00:26:22 ◼   ► the problem is that I Tetris really

00:26:26 ◼   ► requires a d-pad and buttons and I

00:26:29 ◼   ► really have not had devices that have

00:26:31 ◼   ► those things that can play Tetris for a

00:26:33 ◼   ► long time at least you know that that

00:26:35 ◼   ► have a version of Tetris for than like

00:26:37 ◼   ► you know I guess we know we have the ps3

00:26:39 ◼   ► but that's I don't think there's a good

00:26:41 ◼   ► tetris version time you play testers

00:26:43 ◼   ► might

00:26:44 ◼   ► been on our NES on the enolate or on the

00:26:48 ◼   ► emulators yeah I think it was on the

00:26:49 ◼   ► emulator but even I was its gamepad so

00:26:52 ◼   ► anyway Tetris on phones is terrible

00:26:53 ◼   ► Tetris and iPads yeah same thing you

00:26:56 ◼   ► know all these all these great games

00:26:58 ◼   ► really require a d-pad and buttons and

00:27:00 ◼   ► just suck on a touchscreen so do you

00:27:01 ◼   ► even have a number 2 game I have a whole

00:27:04 ◼   ► bunch of games that would that would all

00:27:05 ◼   ► be like number 4 right like I don't like

00:27:08 ◼   ► I don't if that makes sense like see you

00:27:10 ◼   ► over 1 to 4 but like 3 you know I would

00:27:14 ◼   ► put moon base commander up very high I

00:27:16 ◼   ► wouldn't include it the game of the year

00:27:18 ◼   ► that nobody played is that what it was

00:27:19 ◼   ► it was it was the best game nobody

00:27:21 ◼   ► played of 2002 according to GameSpot I

00:27:24 ◼   ► didn't even know if GameSpot still

00:27:25 ◼   ► exists don't think it does good shooting

00:27:27 ◼   ► text exactly

00:27:28 ◼   ► you're dead on so moon base commander

00:27:31 ◼   ► would definitely be up there but again

00:27:32 ◼   ► that's a game where that plays best on a

00:27:35 ◼   ► land and it and you can't really play it

00:27:37 ◼   ► like to public people on the internet it

00:27:38 ◼   ► doesn't matter how you play it it's it's

00:27:41 ◼   ► your favorite game regardless of ease of

00:27:44 ◼   ► recreating like this is just fantasy

00:27:47 ◼   ► here yeah I mean you place the collector

00:27:49 ◼   ► directly on the energy pool yeah like I

00:27:51 ◼   ► would definitely play moon base

00:27:53 ◼   ► commander like I would love to play that

00:27:54 ◼   ► again why well because it requires

00:27:58 ◼   ► Windows yeah to set up like I mean we

00:28:04 ◼   ► both have good computers that could run

00:28:06 ◼   ► it but then you have to either set up a

00:28:07 ◼   ► virtualization thing which doesn't

00:28:08 ◼   ► really work that well with most games or

00:28:10 ◼   ► set of boot camp which is even more of a

00:28:12 ◼   ► pain in the and takes up even more space

00:28:14 ◼   ► but at least works better well now that

00:28:16 ◼   ► we instantly have you know dozens of

00:28:17 ◼   ► listeners someone out there should make

00:28:19 ◼   ► a I phone version and we or iPad version

00:28:21 ◼   ► when you play that's the best Easi

00:28:23 ◼   ► somebody bought the rights to moon base

00:28:25 ◼   ► commander a couple years ago because it

00:28:27 ◼   ► re was the owner of it the big publisher

00:28:29 ◼   ► Atari not like the old gaming eventually

00:28:30 ◼   ► anyway and they had this big auction

00:28:32 ◼   ► when they sold off all their like crappy

00:28:34 ◼   ► properties nobody wanted for almost no

00:28:36 ◼   ► money and this was one of them I

00:28:37 ◼   ► actually considered putting in a bid but

00:28:39 ◼   ► really yeah III was think about buying

00:28:41 ◼   ► the rights to maneuver yeah well I mean

00:28:44 ◼   ► I didn't get I didn't get far like the

00:28:46 ◼   ► GameStop bins looking for it yeah yeah

00:28:50 ◼   ► because it was only it was only ever

00:28:52 ◼   ► like five bucks like I'm pretty sure it

00:28:53 ◼   ► was released directly into the $5 bin

00:28:55 ◼   ► like it it's made for two

00:28:57 ◼   ► ya know the rule easter letter directly

00:29:00 ◼   ► to video yeah exactly yeah it's the it

00:29:02 ◼   ► was like the direct-to-video equivalent

00:29:04 ◼   ► it was like just released into the $5

00:29:05 ◼   ► bin I mean I would love to hear from

00:29:07 ◼   ► anyone else who played this game because

00:29:09 ◼   ► it really is quite fun the first time

00:29:12 ◼   ► you played it was I with you we played

00:29:13 ◼   ► no it was it was in marks apartment in

00:29:16 ◼   ► Ohio anyway oh so you but you showed it

00:29:18 ◼   ► to me and then yeah sure it's you soon

00:29:20 ◼   ► afterwards and we played it together a

00:29:21 ◼   ► lot yeah yeah I mean it because it's

00:29:23 ◼   ► it's a great game for five bucks and so

00:29:26 ◼   ► anyway so a company I forget the name a

00:29:27 ◼   ► company bought the rights to moon base

00:29:29 ◼   ► commander like you know a year and a

00:29:31 ◼   ► half ago or two years ago and they they

00:29:33 ◼   ► tweaked it a little bit to run basically

00:29:35 ◼   ► on modern systems and without a disk and

00:29:37 ◼   ► they released it on Steam so you can you

00:29:39 ◼   ► can go buy it right now on Steam I think

00:29:41 ◼   ► I think it's five bucks still if you

00:29:42 ◼   ► only play it on Windows exactly that's

00:29:44 ◼   ► the problem there's still no Mac version

00:29:46 ◼   ► and it does virtualize okay until I

00:29:48 ◼   ► Carroll ELLs or whatever one of those

00:29:49 ◼   ► like it virtualize is okay but it's not

00:29:52 ◼   ► great like there's some Mouse issues and

00:29:54 ◼   ► it's just what it needs to be modernized

00:29:58 ◼   ► and I think it would make an amazing

00:29:59 ◼   ► turn-based iPad game yeah because like

00:30:02 ◼   ► all you to do is like you know touch

00:30:03 ◼   ► where you want the things to land and

00:30:05 ◼   ► how much it's very much like a

00:30:07 ◼   ► scorched-earth kind of quick yeah it's

00:30:11 ◼   ► like it's a wrap you it's everything is

00:30:13 ◼   ► turn-based there I mean there's an

00:30:15 ◼   ► optional time limit but it doesn't

00:30:17 ◼   ► really need to be time limited and you

00:30:19 ◼   ► know and the precision of the

00:30:20 ◼   ► controllers rolling around the map yeah

00:30:22 ◼   ► I mean like so easy you could so easily

00:30:24 ◼   ► do this well as easy just to make any

00:30:27 ◼   ► game but which is really not complicated

00:30:29 ◼   ► there's like some like you know gulabi

00:30:32 ◼   ► looking pools and some mountains and

00:30:34 ◼   ► that's about it yeah and and it was just

00:30:36 ◼   ► images those weren't 3d models like that

00:30:38 ◼   ► yeah yeah so you could you could totally

00:30:40 ◼   ► do and the land was totally static too

00:30:42 ◼   ► because no matter what you threw on it

00:30:43 ◼   ► the stuff would just blow up with like a

00:30:45 ◼   ► cheesy explosion right it would leave

00:30:47 ◼   ► like a scorching a sprite that's being

00:30:50 ◼   ► right on top of the land like it was

00:30:51 ◼   ► yeah it was no big deal so yeah you

00:30:54 ◼   ► could totally do this game you could

00:30:56 ◼   ► probably even build it like with sprite

00:30:57 ◼   ► kit in like I don't know not that much

00:31:00 ◼   ► time and you probably put more time on

00:31:01 ◼   ► the artwork than you would on the engine

00:31:03 ◼   ► and nowadays now there are all these

00:31:06 ◼   ► physics engines like game developers can

00:31:07 ◼   ► just add a physics engine of things and

00:31:09 ◼   ► like it does collision detection for you

00:31:11 ◼   ► does that the ballistics and all the

00:31:13 ◼   ► textures would be like three dollars you

00:31:15 ◼   ► know like I mean you could spend them I

00:31:18 ◼   ► think only money getting it done and

00:31:20 ◼   ► like fashion like fashion in games has

00:31:22 ◼   ► changed since then you could just do it

00:31:24 ◼   ► like desert golfing style where like you

00:31:26 ◼   ► just have everything just be the the

00:31:27 ◼   ► shittiest version it could look like

00:31:28 ◼   ► everything just like you know flat

00:31:30 ◼   ► colors and lines and low resolution

00:31:32 ◼   ► maybe of like moon texture come on well

00:31:35 ◼   ► make it a fit then it'll stall it crazy

00:31:36 ◼   ► make it make it look like a crappy old

00:31:39 ◼   ► NES game with you know very big pixel

00:31:42 ◼   ► art and that's it that's all you know I

00:31:44 ◼   ► think it's way cooler because it looks

00:31:46 ◼   ► more like f-zero kind of styling like

00:31:49 ◼   ► with that like lobby space but I think

00:31:54 ◼   ► it's like I think I think it looks a

00:31:58 ◼   ► little bit dated though because like

00:31:59 ◼   ► everything in 2002 look like that right

00:32:02 ◼   ► so it would be a cool 2002 retro game

00:32:05 ◼   ► maybe wow this looks so 2002 I love it I

00:32:11 ◼   ► I think 2002 is a little bit too close

00:32:14 ◼   ► to have any retro fans no one's like man

00:32:16 ◼   ► I I wish I could play this on a zip disc

00:32:18 ◼   ► right now he's like the pastels of the

00:32:20 ◼   ► 90s decorating like no one no one's into

00:32:22 ◼   ► that anyway right it was too soon it's

00:32:24 ◼   ► too sick even zip disks those that's

00:32:26 ◼   ► that was earlier yeah it's like morally

00:32:28 ◼   ► it's the 2002 is more like saved my

00:32:30 ◼   ► yearbook on zip drives yeah this is more

00:32:32 ◼   ► like you know the the peak of CDRs you

00:32:36 ◼   ► know a dvd-r wasn't really out yet CB

00:32:38 ◼   ► ours were anyway so I would put moon

00:32:41 ◼   ► base commander somewhere around number

00:32:42 ◼   ► four with everything else around number

00:32:43 ◼   ► four so moon base commander doesn't even

00:32:46 ◼   ► rank number three above your other

00:32:47 ◼   ► number fours I don't know I don't know

00:32:49 ◼   ► what the other number fours are I mean I

00:32:51 ◼   ► actually oh I know I know I know what

00:32:54 ◼   ► about what was the game we bought the

00:32:57 ◼   ► PlayStation 4 the one game wipeout yeah

00:33:00 ◼   ► yeah wipeout but but which one like know

00:33:04 ◼   ► your favorite this is all about you hon

00:33:06 ◼   ► I the one I spent the most time playing

00:33:08 ◼   ► was the ps2 version that I bought for

00:33:11 ◼   ► your roommates ps2 and Holly and I never

00:33:13 ◼   ► actually owned a ps2 you know yeah and

00:33:18 ◼   ► so I bought a pink alot of kool-aid that

00:33:20 ◼   ► year it was literally like not like

00:33:24 ◼   ► joining a cult like we actually

00:33:25 ◼   ► kool-aid yeah we were so into it it was

00:33:28 ◼   ► we were allowed to this we were college

00:33:30 ◼   ► we were adults and we can make decisions

00:33:31 ◼   ► that's mostly it wasn't actually here

00:33:34 ◼   ► she no chair it was like it was like

00:33:36 ◼   ► Crystal Light or something really other

00:33:37 ◼   ► actual kool-aid no and we made in the

00:33:40 ◼   ► Nalgene bottles before your analogy

00:33:41 ◼   ► involved anyway so I drank kool-aid

00:33:45 ◼   ► played uh this is our gaming podcast

00:33:48 ◼   ► yeah I already forgot the name what was

00:33:51 ◼   ► it

00:33:51 ◼   ► I did we have a name no no not of our

00:33:53 ◼   ► podcast of the game we were just talking

00:33:55 ◼   ► about wipeout wipeout yeah yeah so we

00:33:57 ◼   ► were talking about wipeout I believe

00:33:58 ◼   ► fusion I think that was the one for

00:34:01 ◼   ► people of that game isn't that even like

00:34:04 ◼   ► the nostalgia of playing that it's a

00:34:06 ◼   ► really fun reason to go for I don't

00:34:09 ◼   ► think it's even that high it's below

00:34:11 ◼   ► your it's a game I remember playing tons

00:34:13 ◼   ► with you and it's still not even I put

00:34:15 ◼   ► that around like you know ten fifteen I

00:34:17 ◼   ► don't know so yeah I think our

00:34:19 ◼   ► conclusion is your top game as ta

00:34:21 ◼   ► which also happens to be my initials

00:34:24 ◼   ► even before we were married

00:34:26 ◼   ► and second is monopoly which has nothing

00:34:30 ◼   ► to do with video games and what I say

00:34:33 ◼   ► third is nothing and your fourth is a

00:34:35 ◼   ► whole bunch of other stuff yeah so

00:34:37 ◼   ► basically basically what I what I've

00:34:40 ◼   ► what I decided is that I'm a terrible

00:34:42 ◼   ► gamer as I always have been and that

00:34:43 ◼   ► might have a number one game a bunch of

00:34:46 ◼   ► number four games only one of those I

00:34:48 ◼   ► could actually name and then a number

00:34:50 ◼   ► ten or fifteen game no you may named a

00:34:52 ◼   ► couple we have moon base commander yeah

00:34:54 ◼   ► we have a wipeout no I that was the one

00:34:57 ◼   ► I said was like ten or fifteen ten or

00:34:59 ◼   ► fifteen it just jaw dropped like ten

00:35:01 ◼   ► mics right now that's I did we can

00:35:05 ◼   ► listen to the recording also in the

00:35:06 ◼   ► fours I would put one of the worms games

00:35:09 ◼   ► that one of the two DS games and that's

00:35:11 ◼   ► when we were we were on the couch having

00:35:13 ◼   ► this conversation like we should really

00:35:14 ◼   ► record this and we should totally talk

00:35:17 ◼   ► about worms because we played worms

00:35:20 ◼   ► together a lot and it is fantastic and

00:35:23 ◼   ► fun oh yeah I mean and worms like talk

00:35:25 ◼   ► about thank the game for a game time for

00:35:27 ◼   ► God right like worms you can play it

00:35:30 ◼   ► with a controller or with a touchscreen

00:35:32 ◼   ► doesn't matter were cute adorable it's

00:35:34 ◼   ► adorable it's it's accessible for people

00:35:37 ◼   ► even if they're not very good

00:35:38 ◼   ► games normally you can and one of the

00:35:41 ◼   ► biggest things you can play a hot seat

00:35:42 ◼   ► like you don't each person doesn't need

00:35:44 ◼   ► their own device or console or

00:35:46 ◼   ► controller or or you know compressor for

00:35:49 ◼   ► young couples yeah like you can you can

00:35:51 ◼   ► just like you can gather four people are

00:35:53 ◼   ► out a computer or an Xbox and you can

00:35:55 ◼   ► play worms and it's great it's a lot of

00:35:57 ◼   ► fun they had they had a bad time with a

00:36:00 ◼   ► 3d transition though yeah Wednesday once

00:36:02 ◼   ► the weapons start getting really

00:36:03 ◼   ► complicated they ruined it it was so

00:36:06 ◼   ► great just having it was fun naming your

00:36:08 ◼   ► worms and having a hideous team Marcos

00:36:11 ◼   ► favorite favorite kill was the prod

00:36:14 ◼   ► absolutely of course because I'm a

00:36:16 ◼   ► smartass you just go over and prod a

00:36:19 ◼   ► worm and off they go and that was the

00:36:22 ◼   ► prod that what makes the prod so great

00:36:24 ◼   ► it's horrible a die from the prod

00:36:25 ◼   ► exactly what makes the prod so great is

00:36:28 ◼   ► that it is really insulting because it's

00:36:32 ◼   ► like I could have I could have killed

00:36:34 ◼   ► you in in a much bigger way with the

00:36:35 ◼   ► Holy Hand Grenade with what was it

00:36:38 ◼   ► exploding sheep there were so many great

00:36:40 ◼   ► and wonderful ways to kill somebody in

00:36:42 ◼   ► that game and you just walk over and you

00:36:44 ◼   ► poke them and then they die like it's

00:36:47 ◼   ► like I'm gonna put no effort into this

00:36:49 ◼   ► whatsoever and you're gonna die like

00:36:50 ◼   ► that's if that's it's the master insult

00:36:52 ◼   ► it's just like that's it it is the best

00:36:56 ◼   ► anything you could do to kill someone

00:36:57 ◼   ► with a prod I would go to ridiculous

00:36:59 ◼   ► lanes to do or like in the very the

00:37:02 ◼   ► sudden death when everyone has one after

00:37:04 ◼   ► like all the toxic the neurotoxin falls

00:37:07 ◼   ► from the sky is need to like slink on

00:37:10 ◼   ► over get your pride exact did but it's

00:37:15 ◼   ► hilarious when you miss the pride that's

00:37:18 ◼   ► the risk you take right and like that

00:37:20 ◼   ► that's why when you when you succeed it

00:37:22 ◼   ► is so great because you are taking a

00:37:25 ◼   ► pretty big risk of embarrassing yourself

00:37:27 ◼   ► by trying it man it's so great I

00:37:30 ◼   ► remember the one we played was a worms

00:37:32 ◼   ► world party which is very similar to

00:37:34 ◼   ► worms Armageddon but with a couple more

00:37:35 ◼   ► things a worms Armageddon was the one

00:37:37 ◼   ► that most people would play at the time

00:37:38 ◼   ► worms world party was the one that I had

00:37:40 ◼   ► and it was it was just great and

00:37:42 ◼   ► actually I actually even had worms one

00:37:44 ◼   ► on my 486 worms one was great but anyway

00:37:48 ◼   ► yeah not only not only the gameplay but

00:37:50 ◼   ► the process of setting up your team

00:37:52 ◼   ► everything it just it's so personal it

00:37:54 ◼   ► was funny it was cute you could be as

00:37:56 ◼   ► creative as you wanted to be and yeah

00:37:59 ◼   ► Marco always picked the soul man voices

00:38:01 ◼   ► you don't know yeah it was great I mean

00:38:05 ◼   ► that and again it was accessible it was

00:38:07 ◼   ► fun

00:38:07 ◼   ► it had very low system requirements and

00:38:10 ◼   ► you could it had hot seats you could

00:38:11 ◼   ► play with everyone around one computer I

00:38:13 ◼   ► mean that's a great game it has been

00:38:15 ◼   ► years since we played that and could we

00:38:17 ◼   ► could we play that again we're

00:38:18 ◼   ► discussing how to be played again but

00:38:21 ◼   ► where could we play worms well there

00:38:22 ◼   ► they have like the worms franchise is

00:38:24 ◼   ► still going and they have these games

00:38:26 ◼   ► available for iPad and everything but

00:38:27 ◼   ► really they have really terrible reviews

00:38:29 ◼   ► everyone says like they crash all the

00:38:30 ◼   ► time like it seems like so many so many

00:38:32 ◼   ► of these big awesome old game franchises

00:38:35 ◼   ► many of them are still around today but

00:38:37 ◼   ► they're terrible like SimCity really

00:38:39 ◼   ► thanks Tim Tower remember when that came

00:38:41 ◼   ► to iPad yeah we were all excited sim two

00:38:44 ◼   ► hours coming sim towers coming and then

00:38:45 ◼   ► it just wasn't that good yeah it was

00:38:47 ◼   ► pretty bad

00:38:48 ◼   ► and and SimCity I haven't actually

00:38:50 ◼   ► played the new sim cities yet but from

00:38:52 ◼   ► the reviews I've read it seems like

00:38:55 ◼   ► everyone thinks some more things about

00:38:56 ◼   ► it which is like you think it's gonna be

00:38:59 ◼   ► one thing and it's just it just doesn't

00:39:00 ◼   ► capture the spirit of the old what I

00:39:02 ◼   ► mean I didn't even like some city for to

00:39:04 ◼   ► be honest I was a SimCity one two and

00:39:07 ◼   ► three thousand person myself but so even

00:39:10 ◼   ► some cities don't make the list they're

00:39:11 ◼   ► still on number four

00:39:13 ◼   ► nor lower I would I would say SimCity

00:39:16 ◼   ► 3000 which is the one I had the most

00:39:18 ◼   ► time I had a lot of time with one two

00:39:22 ◼   ► and three but three thousand I think was

00:39:23 ◼   ► the best SimCity that was made but I

00:39:25 ◼   ► would group that in with the force with

00:39:27 ◼   ► my number fours oh that's that you one

00:39:30 ◼   ► of them when you born city would be one

00:39:32 ◼   ► of them sorry and what else yeah I mean

00:39:36 ◼   ► Tetris number two I don't know ta some

00:39:41 ◼   ► stuff and you know Tetris worms your two

00:39:45 ◼   ► and three are the dark times now we have

00:39:50 ◼   ► like two I I would say half I too would

00:39:53 ◼   ► be in the four is also because it was

00:39:54 ◼   ► just such a great game especially at the

00:39:56 ◼   ► time but yeah put that in there for sure

00:39:59 ◼   ► we're also talking about how we tried to

00:40:00 ◼   ► do a speed run through half-life 2 oh

00:40:02 ◼   ► yeah that's a fun because it's fun it

00:40:05 ◼   ► you know

00:40:06 ◼   ► if you're actually serious about

00:40:07 ◼   ► speedruns I imagine it would be a lot of

00:40:10 ◼   ► work to keep up with them and try to do

00:40:11 ◼   ► them and just very tedious it works I

00:40:12 ◼   ► try to beat your times and everything if

00:40:14 ◼   ► but if you're like us you don't normally

00:40:16 ◼   ► do speedruns to do one every so often is

00:40:18 ◼   ► really fun it's hilarious just outrun

00:40:21 ◼   ► everything not pick up any kind of

00:40:23 ◼   ► power-ups don't open any crates just

00:40:26 ◼   ► book it yeah just run over locals

00:40:29 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:40:32 ◼   ► none of the extras explore nothing

00:40:37 ◼   ► [Music]

00:40:38 ◼   ► exactly

00:40:40 ◼   ► so yeah I mean what else I mean I've

00:40:43 ◼   ► enjoyed a lot of desert golf and I think

00:40:44 ◼   ► I might put in top ten somewhere not not

00:40:48 ◼   ► in two or three maybe in the floors

00:40:50 ◼   ► maybe not top four here we're not even

00:40:53 ◼   ► going for me to say really padding up

00:40:56 ◼   ► that fourth spot I mean yeah nothing man

00:41:00 ◼   ► I don't I I don't have a lot of great

00:41:02 ◼   ► like I have a lot of games that I played

00:41:04 ◼   ► and had fun at the time like like I said

00:41:06 ◼   ► like CNC generals is a great example

00:41:08 ◼   ► that I played it I had a lot of fun at

00:41:10 ◼   ► the time but I would never like take the

00:41:12 ◼   ► time right now to go set up a system to

00:41:14 ◼   ► play that again like it would never be

00:41:16 ◼   ► worth that time to me

00:41:17 ◼   ► no not even worth the time like think

00:41:19 ◼   ► this is this is Fantasyland because it

00:41:21 ◼   ► doesn't matter how much time or how many

00:41:23 ◼   ► people it requires to play your favorite

00:41:25 ◼   ► game or we're just talking and let's say

00:41:27 ◼   ► you have an entire day where you have to

00:41:29 ◼   ► play games and you have to play four of

00:41:32 ◼   ► them what's the first one you would play

00:41:34 ◼   ► I mean if I have my friends I'm playing

00:41:37 ◼   ► yeah it doesn't just say everything's

00:41:39 ◼   ► magically in place for you to play your

00:41:41 ◼   ► favorite game in any kind of

00:41:43 ◼   ► configuration that you would be happiest

00:41:45 ◼   ► and most joyful playing yeah so that's

00:41:48 ◼   ► that's going to be T a moon base

00:41:50 ◼   ► commander maybe maybe a racing game so

00:41:54 ◼   ► maybe why the commander K is actually in

00:41:57 ◼   ► a gear number two so we have ta nut for

00:41:59 ◼   ► sleepy moon base commander number two

00:42:01 ◼   ► wipeout number three and a whole bunch

00:42:05 ◼   ► of others for number four and I wouldn't

00:42:08 ◼   ► say though I wouldn't say wipeout is my

00:42:10 ◼   ► favorite game ever but if I'm gonna be

00:42:11 ◼   ► playing I'm gonna be playing multiplayer

00:42:13 ◼   ► game like I want to build like a

00:42:15 ◼   ► playlist of what I would play building a

00:42:18 ◼   ► playlist of

00:42:19 ◼   ► you're you know then yeah then I would

00:42:22 ◼   ► probably go yeah I would go ta moonbase

00:42:24 ◼   ► a racing game of some kind and if

00:42:26 ◼   ► shooting game of some kind

00:42:27 ◼   ► I think that would be common but you're

00:42:29 ◼   ► a favorite racing game of some kind

00:42:31 ◼   ► seems to have been wipeouts I think so I

00:42:33 ◼   ► mean we had a lot of fun with Mario Kart

00:42:34 ◼   ► but that was at Mario Kart or is it

00:42:37 ◼   ► wipeout well see I use I generally love

00:42:39 ◼   ► the category of battle racing racing

00:42:42 ◼   ► with weapons I think that's a lot of fun

00:42:43 ◼   ► and not always some of them have been

00:42:45 ◼   ► pretty terrible but for the most part

00:42:46 ◼   ► that that category is very fun and

00:42:49 ◼   ► that's why Mario karts fun that's why

00:42:51 ◼   ► wipeout is fun the new Mario Kart is not

00:42:53 ◼   ► fun sorry John siracusa it is not fun we

00:42:56 ◼   ► play it anyhow and I can't get into it

00:42:59 ◼   ► if there's too much happening

00:43:00 ◼   ► there's too much happens that's this is

00:43:02 ◼   ► the problem like this is you get like

00:43:03 ◼   ► some sort of weird spiral wings and hell

00:43:06 ◼   ► of things and I don't know I don't know

00:43:09 ◼   ► what's happening I don't know what's

00:43:10 ◼   ► happening I just miss the days where you

00:43:12 ◼   ► had little balloons on the back of your

00:43:14 ◼   ► car and you had to drive after each

00:43:15 ◼   ► other and try and pop him though I it

00:43:20 ◼   ► took it took us falling out of most of

00:43:22 ◼   ► the modern gaming world or at least took

00:43:24 ◼   ► me falling out of most of that world

00:43:27 ◼   ► before I realized how inaccessible it is

00:43:30 ◼   ► and me I don't know if it's getting more

00:43:32 ◼   ► inaccessible over time like if the walls

00:43:34 ◼   ► are getting higher or if it's just me

00:43:36 ◼   ► getting older and further away from

00:43:38 ◼   ► being it now as soon as Mario got 3d it

00:43:41 ◼   ► got crazy it's crazy yeah I never

00:43:43 ◼   ► honestly I never liked Mario World I

00:43:45 ◼   ► mean like I respect it I mean a 3d mark

00:43:47 ◼   ► I respected it as a game Mario 64's I

00:43:50 ◼   ► respected it as a game it was it was a

00:43:52 ◼   ► very good technical achievement but I

00:43:54 ◼   ► never wanted that game I never wanted

00:43:57 ◼   ► like I never wanted to really play it

00:43:59 ◼   ► like I enjoyed watching it when it was

00:44:02 ◼   ► brand-new and it was revolutionary but I

00:44:03 ◼   ► think 2d Mario's were more fun and if I

00:44:07 ◼   ► would if I was gonna go back and play

00:44:08 ◼   ► any Mario game right now it would either

00:44:10 ◼   ► be Mario 3 or Super Mario World and

00:44:13 ◼   ► neither of which are 3d

00:44:14 ◼   ► yeah more recent that's going right back

00:44:18 ◼   ► to the kids these days I know they're

00:44:21 ◼   ► crazy music

00:44:22 ◼   ► kids these days a 3d Mario games and 3d

00:44:25 ◼   ► worms and Mario Kart that sucks I know

00:44:28 ◼   ► back when things were simpler that's a

00:44:30 ◼   ► thing like I feel like games

00:44:33 ◼   ► have at least like you know like like

00:44:35 ◼   ► the big-name games like the triple a

00:44:37 ◼   ► big-name big-budget games that are for

00:44:39 ◼   ► PCs and consoles for 50 bucks like that

00:44:41 ◼   ► that genre of game in the time since

00:44:44 ◼   ► that was a new thing like in the 80s and

00:44:45 ◼   ► 90s and as games have come up they've

00:44:48 ◼   ► they've added so much like there's so

00:44:51 ◼   ► much more to them now they've just

00:44:53 ◼   ► bolted on and bolted on like like

00:44:55 ◼   ► Microsoft Office toolbars and buttons

00:44:57 ◼   ► like they just like bolted stuff on over

00:44:59 ◼   ► time to just keep making the game's

00:45:01 ◼   ► better and better and newer and more

00:45:03 ◼   ► interesting that people who already know

00:45:05 ◼   ► them I feel like it's pushing out people

00:45:07 ◼   ► who don't already know them because it's

00:45:09 ◼   ► it's making the games way more

00:45:10 ◼   ► complicated like you know controllers

00:45:13 ◼   ► these days have way more buttons on them

00:45:15 ◼   ► than controllers did in the 90s and 80s

00:45:17 ◼   ► systems can do way more the games have

00:45:19 ◼   ► way more features there's all these

00:45:20 ◼   ► different special moves and everything

00:45:22 ◼   ► and and not to say that games used to be

00:45:24 ◼   ► easier necessarily what they use let's

00:45:27 ◼   ► talk about the special moves because in

00:45:29 ◼   ► my top four list I have at the very

00:45:31 ◼   ► bottom number four is Dead Rising which

00:45:35 ◼   ► as soon as you stop playing that game at

00:45:37 ◼   ► least for me and my amount of memory it

00:45:40 ◼   ► is impossible to get back into like I

00:45:43 ◼   ► was playing Dead Rising 2 the one where

00:45:46 ◼   ► you're stuck in the where are you stuck

00:45:50 ◼   ► it doesn't matter somewhere there's

00:45:52 ◼   ► zombies it's crazy casino kind of thing

00:45:54 ◼   ► but I was almost done playing the game I

00:45:57 ◼   ► may be a couple missions from the very

00:45:59 ◼   ► end and I had to stop I believe I might

00:46:01 ◼   ► have had a baby or something but I had

00:46:04 ◼   ► to stop playing and I can never go back

00:46:07 ◼   ► because I made it so far I I can't

00:46:11 ◼   ► imagine you know playing through it

00:46:13 ◼   ► again I'm talking about the second one

00:46:15 ◼   ► here without just you know kind of going

00:46:19 ◼   ► around and killing zombies that's that's

00:46:20 ◼   ► super fun but you know seriously playing

00:46:23 ◼   ► through all the levels again because the

00:46:26 ◼   ► catalog of moves you have to remember in

00:46:28 ◼   ► order to get back into it at that high

00:46:30 ◼   ► level to continue on it's just

00:46:33 ◼   ► impossible like I don't think I can

00:46:34 ◼   ► remember the button combinations that I

00:46:36 ◼   ► had to remember when I was playing the

00:46:38 ◼   ► game for like a week straight you know

00:46:40 ◼   ► like it's it's just over I'm so glad I

00:46:43 ◼   ► beat the first one in one shot because

00:46:46 ◼   ► otherwise

00:46:47 ◼   ► I don't think I could go back and play

00:46:48 ◼   ► it even though it is one of my favorite

00:46:50 ◼   ► games and I just love the the concept in

00:46:54 ◼   ► the world that it created I just I don't

00:46:57 ◼   ► it's just not accessible to to pick up

00:46:59 ◼   ► in the middle of it where you know and

00:47:01 ◼   ► certain games that have easier

00:47:03 ◼   ► functionality and it's just like you

00:47:05 ◼   ► know shoot you have some weapons and you

00:47:07 ◼   ► just do it or games like Marco

00:47:10 ◼   ► you know like Tetris or something where

00:47:12 ◼   ► it's just kind of a more casual yeah

00:47:14 ◼   ► yeah yeah more casual gaming that it's

00:47:16 ◼   ► easy to love and easy to jump in and out

00:47:18 ◼   ► of you know some of the more complex

00:47:20 ◼   ► ones its whoo it's rough that I don't

00:47:22 ◼   ► know how people play things like Street

00:47:24 ◼   ► Fighter what was the one like yes yeah

00:47:27 ◼   ► yeah yeah couldn't do it couldn't do it

00:47:31 ◼   ► well that's and compared to something

00:47:32 ◼   ► like Dead Rising that's trivial or

00:47:35 ◼   ► what's a Final Fantasy's those I can

00:47:37 ◼   ► never get into either because yeah

00:47:38 ◼   ► there's a there's just so many like move

00:47:41 ◼   ► combo potion jumping spinning this thing

00:47:44 ◼   ► like leaving Zelda has that stuff though

00:47:46 ◼   ► well again Zelda's another one you have

00:47:48 ◼   ► to like sit and play through it and like

00:47:50 ◼   ► have that catalogue of knowledge but if

00:47:52 ◼   ► you let it lapse for you know a couple

00:47:55 ◼   ► months a year two years you can't just

00:47:57 ◼   ► like jump back into a game and be like

00:47:58 ◼   ► alright now I'm gonna beat this you know

00:48:01 ◼   ► you you had to have just done it yeah

00:48:03 ◼   ► that's true you can't give up in the

00:48:04 ◼   ► middle if you plan on finishing I mean

00:48:07 ◼   ► to some degree I would say the GTA games

00:48:09 ◼   ► are like that oh yeah oh yeah you know

00:48:11 ◼   ► it's not quite the same good like the

00:48:13 ◼   ► moves aren't as complicated but it's

00:48:15 ◼   ► very similar MRIs Maps like you can't

00:48:17 ◼   ► remember them you're like how did I get

00:48:19 ◼   ► here to that place and this play it's

00:48:21 ◼   ► like you have to play a lot to remember

00:48:23 ◼   ► the map in order to get around really

00:48:25 ◼   ► fast exactly and even then as a GTA

00:48:27 ◼   ► friend I mean you know not GTA 1 and 2

00:48:29 ◼   ► those were top-down 2d but I actually

00:48:31 ◼   ► played and enjoyed when they were out

00:48:32 ◼   ► which one do we play together we played

00:48:34 ◼   ► Vice City right and we would uh we we

00:48:37 ◼   ► kind of tag-team it where we would play

00:48:39 ◼   ► a mission until we couldn't beat it

00:48:42 ◼   ► anymore and then we'd pass it off to the

00:48:44 ◼   ► next person no II would just switch off

00:48:46 ◼   ► on death or being caught that's what I

00:48:47 ◼   ► mean like up through missions and then

00:48:49 ◼   ► once we got stuck on on something and

00:48:51 ◼   ► then we pass it off and the next person

00:48:53 ◼   ► would would be able to have it come at

00:48:55 ◼   ► it with like fresh eyes and do it then

00:48:57 ◼   ► you passed that mission and then once

00:48:59 ◼   ► that person got stuck on like maybe

00:49:01 ◼   ► five missions after that we'd switch

00:49:02 ◼   ► again that was great yeah a lot of fun

00:49:05 ◼   ► but even then like I would not go back

00:49:07 ◼   ► and play Vice City again now but we

00:49:10 ◼   ► never finished it because it was on your

00:49:11 ◼   ► friends that's right we never finished

00:49:13 ◼   ► it and it was my friend's xbox and he

00:49:15 ◼   ► had to go home for the summer because we

00:49:16 ◼   ► hit the end of it and so we don't have

00:49:18 ◼   ► our saved game so there's no way I'm

00:49:19 ◼   ► gonna start over right like and then

00:49:21 ◼   ► like you know I later got my own Xbox

00:49:23 ◼   ► and a copy of I city and just never

00:49:25 ◼   ► played it because we didn't want to

00:49:26 ◼   ► restart the whole save game and like I

00:49:29 ◼   ► don't know like to me now looking at

00:49:31 ◼   ► games like that they just seem like work

00:49:34 ◼   ► like I don't want to play that game

00:49:36 ◼   ► because it just seems like a bunch of

00:49:38 ◼   ► work to me like in a bad way work where

00:49:40 ◼   ► you don't really accomplish anything and

00:49:43 ◼   ► then you're like yeah and nobody says

00:49:46 ◼   ► anything everybody and not to mention

00:49:49 ◼   ► and you know and part of the problem

00:49:50 ◼   ► with those games it's like it's kind of

00:49:51 ◼   ► like when you when when like you're a

00:49:54 ◼   ► college freshman and every other word

00:49:57 ◼   ► that you say is a swear word because you

00:49:59 ◼   ► can finally swear without your parents

00:50:01 ◼   ► being up your butt constantly so like

00:50:03 ◼   ► you think swearing is really cool for a

00:50:05 ◼   ► couple of years and then you realize

00:50:07 ◼   ► it's just like okay this is a tool to be

00:50:09 ◼   ► used sometimes but it's not that cool

00:50:11 ◼   ► and I think GTA kind of has that where

00:50:13 ◼   ► it's like when it first came out it was

00:50:15 ◼   ► like oh my god you can like pick up

00:50:17 ◼   ► hookers in a car and drive over people

00:50:19 ◼   ► and stuff and it was this like really

00:50:21 ◼   ► cool thing when you're in college and

00:50:23 ◼   ► now as an adult looking at this I'm just

00:50:25 ◼   ► like that's kind of girl this is like I

00:50:28 ◼   ► don't I don't really want to be playing

00:50:29 ◼   ► that oh here let me help you get that

00:50:32 ◼   ► change off the floor yeah like here take

00:50:40 ◼   ► your wallet at least like I don't want

00:50:41 ◼   ► to be a about it like it just now I'm

00:50:44 ◼   ► sorry prostitute I'll pay you now

00:50:45 ◼   ► instead of killing you you do take

00:50:49 ◼   ► square I love our 20-minute podcast this

00:50:55 ◼   ► is great yeah so yeah I I couldn't I

00:50:59 ◼   ► can't enjoy games like that anymore like

00:51:01 ◼   ► I feel like I feel like it would be like

00:51:03 ◼   ► going back and visiting a high school

00:51:05 ◼   ► like I just feel like I'm too old to do

00:51:06 ◼   ► that yeah I can't really play games

00:51:08 ◼   ► where I'm a thug to real people yeah

00:51:10 ◼   ► it's different you got to survive it's

00:51:12 ◼   ► brutal yeah and I can't play like a

00:51:13 ◼   ► realistic war games

00:51:14 ◼   ► cuz no I don't like realistic war is

00:51:16 ◼   ► terrible a male like a watcher I can't

00:51:19 ◼   ► watch people play realistic war games I

00:51:20 ◼   ► just I don't get it and I'm not into

00:51:23 ◼   ► sports games

00:51:24 ◼   ► I'm not into RPGs so like or mmo's so

00:51:29 ◼   ► there's really there's not that many

00:51:30 ◼   ► game types out there that are still made

00:51:32 ◼   ► in in reasonable quantities say that I

00:51:35 ◼   ► really would would get into and I think

00:51:37 ◼   ► that I think that's just one of the

00:51:38 ◼   ► reason I'm not a gamer right now is

00:51:39 ◼   ► because like I fell out of it for a

00:51:42 ◼   ► while and what's made now be the stuff I

00:51:46 ◼   ► don't care about or stuff that seems

00:51:48 ◼   ► impenetrably complex to me looking

00:51:51 ◼   ► looking in from the outside yeah and all

00:51:53 ◼   ► the little like independent games that

00:51:54 ◼   ► we have since like downloaded and played

00:51:56 ◼   ► on xbox and on PlayStation they're just

00:52:01 ◼   ► not they're not play again enough

00:52:03 ◼   ► they're not they're not good enough to

00:52:05 ◼   ► play again yeah they're very grey them

00:52:08 ◼   ► they're great when you play them like

00:52:09 ◼   ► limbo and I love that one Shadow Complex

00:52:13 ◼   ► yeah oh that's yep that way I think yeah

00:52:16 ◼   ► shadow come for a really good braid was

00:52:18 ◼   ► so hard we never got and yeah we weren't

00:52:21 ◼   ► smart enough to get that you uh you got

00:52:22 ◼   ► a lot further than I did I did but it

00:52:24 ◼   ► just whoo-hoo I'm very stuck and I will

00:52:28 ◼   ► never become unstuck at the level I'm

00:52:29 ◼   ► stuck at yeah just broke my brain like I

00:52:32 ◼   ► was like okay I get this I get this

00:52:34 ◼   ► time-traveling physics backwards do that

00:52:36 ◼   ► okay and then it's like I don't know it

00:52:39 ◼   ► just shut down

00:52:40 ◼   ► it hit my wall smart wall was just

00:52:44 ◼   ► smacked into and I debris just died so

00:52:49 ◼   ► yeah I don't like those games we I think

00:52:53 ◼   ► we liked him a lot because they were

00:52:54 ◼   ► like older games like braid is like

00:52:56 ◼   ► Mario World on crack and Shadow Complex

00:53:00 ◼   ► is really just Metroid but done with

00:53:02 ◼   ► modern graphics and stuff mm-hmm

00:53:04 ◼   ► so it was like usually these are you

00:53:05 ◼   ► know old game types that are kind of you

00:53:07 ◼   ► know them to was kind of fun like we we

00:53:10 ◼   ► would be on the couch together playing

00:53:12 ◼   ► them and and one of us would have the

00:53:13 ◼   ► controller and the other one would be

00:53:14 ◼   ► like ooh try that way or oh I saw that

00:53:17 ◼   ► little secret thing so we were kind of

00:53:19 ◼   ► like backseat driving each other with

00:53:21 ◼   ► the game but we liked that it was fun it

00:53:24 ◼   ► was it was cooperative it was yeah good

00:53:26 ◼   ► time it was like our little date night

00:53:28 ◼   ► was playing

00:53:28 ◼   ► little games like that exactly and and

00:53:31 ◼   ► that like I would love for to find more

00:53:34 ◼   ► games like that but there there aren't

00:53:36 ◼   ► that many like we started playing limbo

00:53:38 ◼   ► like that but then I ended up finishing

00:53:39 ◼   ► it yeah I wasn't I didn't get that into

00:53:42 ◼   ► limbo creepy love it you kind of squish

00:53:49 ◼   ► in everything that ragdoll physics or is

00:53:54 ◼   ► it just like runs down your spine

00:53:57 ◼   ► exactly exactly so anyway those are

00:54:03 ◼   ► those are our games and I think uh-huh

00:54:06 ◼   ► at least I'm the worst at this

00:54:08 ◼   ► you are the worst of this but I have a

00:54:10 ◼   ► great name for our podcast I thought

00:54:12 ◼   ► about it while we were waiting for our

00:54:13 ◼   ► dog to pee I think we should call it top

00:54:16 ◼   ► 4 and we should talk about our favorite

00:54:20 ◼   ► four things in pretty much any category

00:54:23 ◼   ► whenever we're feeling like it yeah I

00:54:27 ◼   ► think there's a lot of different things

00:54:28 ◼   ► that we can discuss that we like and

00:54:31 ◼   ► don't like because we're really good at

00:54:33 ◼   ► that about having opinions very good

00:54:35 ◼   ► opinion we're super good at opinion I

00:54:37 ◼   ► mean no one's gonna listen to this

00:54:38 ◼   ► though sure they will no no chance well

00:54:41 ◼   ► we'll see we'll take a little Twitter

00:54:43 ◼   ► poll or I I don't know do they do that

00:54:46 ◼   ► do you have like little I'm sure there's

00:54:48 ◼   ► a million different apps that nobody

00:54:50 ◼   ► cares about to let you do this you like

00:54:51 ◼   ► us check yes sir no if not we can write

00:54:55 ◼   ► one that can be our next startup will

00:54:57 ◼   ► you go to prom with me I figured it more

00:55:00 ◼   ► appropriate name would just be Tiffin

00:55:01 ◼   ► Marco bull for a while I mean that's

00:55:03 ◼   ► that could be the subtitle but I think

00:55:06 ◼   ► time for pretty good because it focuses

00:55:08 ◼   ► us to four things even though we know

00:55:10 ◼   ► we're gonna be talking about 30 things

00:55:11 ◼   ► that's true and we're probably gonna be

00:55:15 ◼   ► as good as I was naming my top 4 video

00:55:18 ◼   ► games I picked my first one and my 22nd

00:55:22 ◼   ► video I did it was half-life 2 no no no

00:55:30 ◼   ► portal right then half-life 2 then the

00:55:35 ◼   ► Last of Us and then left Dead Rising

00:55:38 ◼   ► okay

00:55:39 ◼   ► that's not bad

00:55:41 ◼   ► yeah not bad and those are my top based

00:55:44 ◼   ► on how much fun I had playing them and

00:55:46 ◼   ► how odd that I would love to play them

00:55:49 ◼   ► again so they'd be on my like I have

00:55:51 ◼   ► free time playlist I would love to have

00:55:55 ◼   ► the time to play them all again yeah man

00:55:59 ◼   ► I wish somebody would make good RTS more

00:56:01 ◼   ► often