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Top Four 3: Reality TV Shows

 

00:00:00 ◼   ► I should probably have written something

00:00:02 ◼   ► down you're the worst

00:00:04 ◼   ► yeah all right so Marco was supposed to

00:00:08 ◼   ► pick the topic tonight but he read me

00:00:11 ◼   ► one of his topics from his topic list I

00:00:14 ◼   ► asked him to actually give me the top

00:00:16 ◼   ► four topics that he had had but he

00:00:19 ◼   ► refused to give me the top four so he

00:00:21 ◼   ► gave me one and it really bad it was

00:00:23 ◼   ► terrible it was so bad I can't even

00:00:25 ◼   ► remember what it is right now honestly I

00:00:27 ◼   ► have no idea what you even told me but I

00:00:29 ◼   ► know that when you told me I was

00:00:31 ◼   ► horrified and it was terrible

00:00:32 ◼   ► and that was so i-i've been keeping this

00:00:34 ◼   ► list and notes on my phone never look up

00:00:36 ◼   ► note - my phone - ooh well like your

00:00:39 ◼   ► gift list is there - you don't - see

00:00:40 ◼   ► that no so I like to be spoiled I've

00:00:42 ◼   ► been keeping this list on my phone every

00:00:45 ◼   ► time I think of a good idea for what we

00:00:47 ◼   ► can do for top 4 and he's been hyping it

00:00:49 ◼   ► up like it's the greatest list ever and

00:00:50 ◼   ► he has secrets on there that he wasn't

00:00:53 ◼   ► gonna tell me and so I could be

00:00:54 ◼   ► surprised when he reveals it when we

00:00:55 ◼   ► record and all his topics are so great

00:00:59 ◼   ► turns out they're terrible all the words

00:01:01 ◼   ► so I pick what I thought was the best

00:01:03 ◼   ► one what you want me to do tell the

00:01:05 ◼   ► audience now I forgot so yeah sure tell

00:01:07 ◼   ► me - it's that good

00:01:09 ◼   ► so I think what I thought was the best

00:01:11 ◼   ► one which was roadtrip food options oh

00:01:15 ◼   ► yeah I mean come on

00:01:18 ◼   ► and even as I was saying I was like you

00:01:19 ◼   ► know there won't like argue how yeah

00:01:22 ◼   ► over like how there's only probably four

00:01:25 ◼   ► choices that we'd even list so like it's

00:01:27 ◼   ► not even a top fours are the only four I

00:01:29 ◼   ► would eat Arby's period period there is

00:01:33 ◼   ► no - three or four I will not eat

00:01:36 ◼   ► anything else on the road

00:01:37 ◼   ► everything else is vile and disgusting

00:01:41 ◼   ► Arby's or a bag of gummy bears

00:01:43 ◼   ► that's nope nope warm do that no yeah

00:01:48 ◼   ► bad yeah well you'll everyone always

00:01:51 ◼   ► wants one or two gummy worms but when

00:01:53 ◼   ► you get the bag you have to eat 40 gummy

00:01:55 ◼   ► worms and then nobody wants to feel that

00:01:57 ◼   ► way afterwards and now you get like

00:01:59 ◼   ► stomach aches and nightmares and it's

00:02:01 ◼   ► terrible

00:02:02 ◼   ► you get nightmares from Commerce oh yeah

00:02:04 ◼   ► they'll get you oh my god all right so

00:02:08 ◼   ► our topic tonight is what so our topic

00:02:12 ◼   ► tonight

00:02:13 ◼   ► mmm I don't think I'm ready to talk

00:02:15 ◼   ► about the topic that we talked about in

00:02:17 ◼   ► the kitchen ah I don't think I can do it

00:02:20 ◼   ► yeah I have to do a little bit more

00:02:21 ◼   ► research I don't know I don't want to

00:02:23 ◼   ► hurt feelings I don't want to I don't

00:02:25 ◼   ► think I want to go there yet okay

00:02:27 ◼   ► all right we can wait so what's your

00:02:29 ◼   ► topic for the night so I was trying to

00:02:32 ◼   ► vary it up because Marco was supposed to

00:02:34 ◼   ► pick the topic since I picked the last

00:02:36 ◼   ► two topics but it looks like I am going

00:02:38 ◼   ► to be the topic picker of the family

00:02:40 ◼   ► since Marcos topics are awful as you

00:02:42 ◼   ► heard oh yeah I mean you know you're

00:02:44 ◼   ► typically I'm in charge of wires mm-hmm

00:02:48 ◼   ► anything that includes wires and we

00:02:50 ◼   ► sound really good because of your

00:02:51 ◼   ► choices yeah yeah so so I got wires

00:02:53 ◼   ► covered and things that things that have

00:02:55 ◼   ► wires you have generally soft things and

00:02:58 ◼   ► things that are supposed to look good in

00:02:59 ◼   ► the house and also you manage the

00:03:01 ◼   ► calendar yep I'm good calendar manager

00:03:04 ◼   ► yeah and I and I do the grocery shopping

00:03:05 ◼   ► and the school drop-offs and you do the

00:03:08 ◼   ► putting to beds the laundries and lots

00:03:09 ◼   ► of other stuff yep I do those things

00:03:12 ◼   ► making the bed

00:03:13 ◼   ► changing the sheets yeah well that could

00:03:16 ◼   ► that soft things yeah that's true

00:03:20 ◼   ► yeah so we're gonna add to your faith

00:03:23 ◼   ► hops Ubaid hops hops is soft and he

00:03:25 ◼   ► huffed but I walk hops which involves a

00:03:27 ◼   ► leaf which is kind of like a wire that's

00:03:28 ◼   ► true Wow all of this is really coming

00:03:30 ◼   ► together yeah this is a very well

00:03:32 ◼   ► thought out very well planned I don't

00:03:34 ◼   ► like everything I always say very

00:03:36 ◼   ► well-thought-out yeah Marco it didn't

00:03:38 ◼   ► even oh my goodness no less nothing

00:03:41 ◼   ► prepared oh I have a list it's just

00:03:43 ◼   ► terrible okay all right let me get my

00:03:45 ◼   ► paper here I have a notebook I write

00:03:47 ◼   ► things down and stuff I don't know did

00:03:52 ◼   ► you hear that

00:03:52 ◼   ► microphones pretty good all right so

00:03:55 ◼   ► since we're not doing the topic that we

00:03:57 ◼   ► talked about in the kitchen that we kept

00:03:58 ◼   ► telling each other stop stop stop

00:03:59 ◼   ► talking stop talking say before the show

00:04:01 ◼   ► we're not doing that so you're going to

00:04:04 ◼   ► do top four reality TV shows okay I mean

00:04:11 ◼   ► I wanted to vary it up a little bit and

00:04:12 ◼   ► like you know maybe come back to this

00:04:14 ◼   ► one later but because your topic was so

00:04:17 ◼   ► awful you have forced my hand

00:04:19 ◼   ► to the reality TV show topic now reality

00:04:22 ◼   ► TV shows include a lot of things it

00:04:24 ◼   ► includes competition shows it

00:04:28 ◼   ► I don't know competitions well it

00:04:32 ◼   ► includes category of like survivor and

00:04:35 ◼   ► Big Brother like those kind of like what

00:04:37 ◼   ► some of those like kind of competitions

00:04:39 ◼   ► but wearing the country shows various

00:04:42 ◼   ► finding things shows working in a store

00:04:44 ◼   ► shows working I don't know wait so what

00:04:48 ◼   ► is Hanks would that include things like

00:04:50 ◼   ► diners drive-ins and dives

00:04:52 ◼   ► absolutely yeah does it's based in

00:04:56 ◼   ► reality they're going places and they're

00:04:58 ◼   ► doing stuff even there's one host which

00:05:00 ◼   ► is fine but they're like talking to

00:05:02 ◼   ► people in real life see to me this I

00:05:05 ◼   ► think there's a lot of overlap here with

00:05:07 ◼   ► the Netflix garbage shows category now

00:05:09 ◼   ► do if we still want to do a Netflix

00:05:11 ◼   ► garbage show category no this is Netflix

00:05:13 ◼   ► car my shows I mean like but it doesn't

00:05:15 ◼   ► have to be on Netflix but we just happen

00:05:17 ◼   ► to consume all of our television through

00:05:20 ◼   ► Netflix so if it wasn't on Netflix in

00:05:22 ◼   ► the last like six years so we probably

00:05:24 ◼   ► haven't seen it right I don't have it

00:05:26 ◼   ► the television actually yes we don't

00:05:31 ◼   ► have we have a television set but we

00:05:33 ◼   ► don't have cable yeah there's a word for

00:05:35 ◼   ► that

00:05:36 ◼   ► we're cord cutters that sounds like a

00:05:38 ◼   ► berthing thing well I mean I guess

00:05:42 ◼   ► everybody would be no I guess no you

00:05:44 ◼   ► could just wait for it to fall off right

00:05:46 ◼   ► you know you have to cut it eventually

00:05:49 ◼   ► I'd please don't god stop okay it's

00:05:52 ◼   ► reality shows apparently we are called

00:05:55 ◼   ► cord cutters yes you never heard that

00:05:58 ◼   ► before I mean I guess I have but I just

00:06:00 ◼   ► never thought of myself as one well we

00:06:03 ◼   ► did it before was cool we did it in like

00:06:04 ◼   ► 2006 I did it before that because all my

00:06:08 ◼   ► jobs I never bothered having TV cuz I

00:06:09 ◼   ► was wandering the country that's true

00:06:11 ◼   ► yeah anyway so we are cord cutters I'm

00:06:14 ◼   ► sorry to tell you but we do have you

00:06:18 ◼   ► know Netflix iTunes and occasional other

00:06:20 ◼   ► sources

00:06:21 ◼   ► trust me there are plenty of chords in

00:06:22 ◼   ► this house yes I make sure of that so

00:06:27 ◼   ► with that being said so see to me that I

00:06:30 ◼   ► think the goal here you know we

00:06:32 ◼   ► discussed having a Netflix garbage shows

00:06:34 ◼   ► category and to me it's different

00:06:36 ◼   ► because like something like top reality

00:06:38 ◼   ► shows I would put Top Chef really high

00:06:40 ◼   ► on my list

00:06:40 ◼   ► might be number one we'll see but Top

00:06:43 ◼   ► Chef to me is really really high on that

00:06:44 ◼   ► list but Top Chef is not a Netflix

00:06:47 ◼   ► garbage show and when you go to the TV

00:06:49 ◼   ► you're going to it with a certain role

00:06:51 ◼   ► in mind if you just had a really tough

00:06:53 ◼   ► day a really tiring day you're exhausted

00:06:56 ◼   ► you want to go and sit on the couch and

00:06:57 ◼   ► watch TV and maybe browse Twitter while

00:06:59 ◼   ► you're watching TV you're not going to

00:07:01 ◼   ► put on something like Top Chef it's

00:07:02 ◼   ► actually good that you want to pay

00:07:03 ◼   ► attention to you're gonna put on a

00:07:04 ◼   ► garbage show so to me this might be a

00:07:06 ◼   ► separate category hmm Joey split this up

00:07:09 ◼   ► I think so I think this is chuh shows

00:07:12 ◼   ► everything is ruined my shirt is just

00:07:16 ◼   ► obliterated but I don't I can't think of

00:07:19 ◼   ► anything else that's like a good reality

00:07:21 ◼   ► show besides the two that I have is my

00:07:23 ◼   ► top two Top Chef Project Runway yeah yep

00:07:26 ◼   ► yeah so I don't I guess we could go

00:07:29 ◼   ► further down but because like it just

00:07:31 ◼   ► degrades from there it really does I

00:07:33 ◼   ► don't so we both just said Top Chef

00:07:37 ◼   ► would be our favorite show because I

00:07:38 ◼   ► find that to be a fantastic reality show

00:07:40 ◼   ► the camaraderie is usually really good

00:07:43 ◼   ► between the contestants it is kind of

00:07:46 ◼   ► classy you know they don't really fight

00:07:49 ◼   ► that much it's not about the fighting if

00:07:51 ◼   ► they do fight it's more about the

00:07:54 ◼   ► cooking and the menus and the meals and

00:07:56 ◼   ► who's good at their craft it's not so

00:08:00 ◼   ► much about the the drama

00:08:03 ◼   ► I guess that a lot of other reality

00:08:05 ◼   ► shows kind of fall victim to and that's

00:08:08 ◼   ► also kind of why I like Project Runway I

00:08:10 ◼   ► mean yes there's plenty of drama and

00:08:12 ◼   ► Project Runway but it's mostly about

00:08:15 ◼   ► people being really really good at their

00:08:17 ◼   ► craft and you watching them compete to

00:08:19 ◼   ► be the best especially when contestants

00:08:22 ◼   ► start helping each other which often

00:08:24 ◼   ► happens on both of those shows and then

00:08:26 ◼   ► you always have that one guy that's like

00:08:28 ◼   ► I'm here to not make friends and I'm

00:08:31 ◼   ► here to win I'm here to win I'm not here

00:08:33 ◼   ► to make friends and I'm not gonna help

00:08:35 ◼   ► anybody and it's like guys you're told

00:08:38 ◼   ► those guys always win do you think it's

00:08:41 ◼   ► a thing like you know how there's

00:08:42 ◼   ► there's the Wilhelm scream have you ever

00:08:44 ◼   ► heard of this no it's this very famous

00:08:46 ◼   ► movie sound effect and it's kind of a

00:08:49 ◼   ► thing to put it in every movie somewhere

00:08:51 ◼   ► you know about movies no but I know

00:08:54 ◼   ► about

00:08:54 ◼   ► it's like it's like an insider joke

00:08:56 ◼   ► among filmmakers and film buffs that

00:08:59 ◼   ► there's this one sound effect called the

00:09:00 ◼   ► Wilhelm scream I think that that is just

00:09:02 ◼   ► in like tons and tons of movies from you

00:09:04 ◼   ► know decades ago and forward and it's

00:09:07 ◼   ► it's like this joke to kind of put in

00:09:08 ◼   ► everything do you think reality show

00:09:10 ◼   ► producers have that kind of joke where

00:09:12 ◼   ► they they just always have to have in

00:09:14 ◼   ► every season of every series they always

00:09:17 ◼   ► have to have somebody saying I'm not

00:09:19 ◼   ► here to make friends I'm here to win I

00:09:21 ◼   ► think so because I'm pretty sure I've

00:09:22 ◼   ► heard it on every single reality show

00:09:24 ◼   ► season of like a competition show that

00:09:27 ◼   ► can possibly remember yeah I I'm I'm

00:09:29 ◼   ► almost positive I have and it's it's

00:09:31 ◼   ► funny cuz it's like it's the exact same

00:09:33 ◼   ► phrase almost every time like if there's

00:09:35 ◼   ► not a lot of variety in that phrase and

00:09:38 ◼   ► it's in everything even the shows like

00:09:40 ◼   ► Top Chef which you're pretty low drama

00:09:42 ◼   ► and even even a lot of the shows like

00:09:45 ◼   ► like chopped or you know some like the

00:09:47 ◼   ► shorter shows but they don't even have

00:09:48 ◼   ► that much time to throw in stuff like

00:09:50 ◼   ► that

00:09:51 ◼   ► don't worry no they're still there not

00:09:52 ◼   ► to make friends someone always make sure

00:09:54 ◼   ► that they say that even if it takes like

00:09:57 ◼   ► two or three episodes with a show like

00:09:58 ◼   ► chop the contestants change every single

00:10:00 ◼   ► episode there's still that guy that's

00:10:02 ◼   ► gonna come on and say he's not there to

00:10:04 ◼   ► make friends it's like you're here for

00:10:05 ◼   ► like 30 minutes guy like you still there

00:10:08 ◼   ► were these hairs like no no one cares to

00:10:10 ◼   ► be here right like no one's jumping down

00:10:12 ◼   ► your throat to be your friend like you

00:10:14 ◼   ► can calm down see I I really hope that

00:10:17 ◼   ► at some point they have somebody on

00:10:18 ◼   ► there that says you know what I'm here

00:10:20 ◼   ► to make friends I don't really care if I

00:10:21 ◼   ► win yeah I'd like to hear that too

00:10:23 ◼   ► it'd be cool to have to have some shows

00:10:25 ◼   ► start throwing and throwing that and

00:10:27 ◼   ► every time it's dead yeah but then they

00:10:28 ◼   ► wouldn't get put on because then they're

00:10:30 ◼   ► not like a personality well that's a

00:10:32 ◼   ► personality just maybe a different one

00:10:34 ◼   ► maybe maybe a less exciting one mm-hmm

00:10:36 ◼   ► that's true you know there was a on

00:10:37 ◼   ► project one way I think a lady named

00:10:39 ◼   ► sweet pea she was very nice she was that

00:10:41 ◼   ► kind of person how'd she do she do okay

00:10:44 ◼   ► didn't get that far

00:10:46 ◼   ► right cuz she was there to make friends

00:10:47 ◼   ► I mean but she did make friends did she

00:10:50 ◼   ► I don't know I kind of hope she did

00:10:52 ◼   ► don't know think about have you ever had

00:10:55 ◼   ► friends on a reality show see your

00:10:58 ◼   ► essence because you know the inside you

00:10:59 ◼   ► know and you know that the answer for

00:11:00 ◼   ► you is yes so let me reflect your

00:11:03 ◼   ► question back super famous so to other

00:11:06 ◼   ► people

00:11:06 ◼   ► have you ever had friends on every aisle

00:11:08 ◼   ► why funny you ask I really did really

00:11:11 ◼   ► which show would that be Top Chef and

00:11:14 ◼   ► Project Runway I forgot what the top

00:11:17 ◼   ► chef won yeah well I mean okay they

00:11:19 ◼   ► weren't like we're not like BFFs that we

00:11:21 ◼   ► talk all day so my Top Chef connection

00:11:26 ◼   ► when I was a senior when I was a

00:11:29 ◼   ► freshman he was a senior and we went to

00:11:32 ◼   ► prom together in the same limo because I

00:11:35 ◼   ► went to prom as a freshman I was invited

00:11:37 ◼   ► by a senior and so yeah we went to prom

00:11:39 ◼   ► together in the same limo and hung out

00:11:41 ◼   ► together afterwards and the next day and

00:11:43 ◼   ► I knew him from school and theater stuff

00:11:46 ◼   ► and singing and everything and yeah so

00:11:50 ◼   ► he ended up being a chef on Top Chef and

00:11:52 ◼   ► his name is Richard Sweeney I think

00:11:59 ◼   ► never said that it was such a good

00:12:02 ◼   ► friend didn't say that that's true well

00:12:04 ◼   ► you should at least know the name of the

00:12:07 ◼   ► contestant on and on it was one of those

00:12:10 ◼   ► things that you look you watching a show

00:12:12 ◼   ► and you're like that guy really looks

00:12:14 ◼   ► familiar and then all of a sudden you're

00:12:16 ◼   ► like oh my gosh that's someone I knew

00:12:18 ◼   ► but when you knew someone from high

00:12:20 ◼   ► school and he was 18 years old and come

00:12:22 ◼   ► on now we're in our 30s and he's four

00:12:24 ◼   ► years old three years older than me

00:12:26 ◼   ► anyway this American boy okay that's me

00:12:28 ◼   ► and his life is totally different now

00:12:30 ◼   ► so you see I feel like you you probably

00:12:33 ◼   ► can't claim him as a friend I'm not

00:12:36 ◼   ► claiming you can traverse day I'm saying

00:12:38 ◼   ► I've known people on reality shows from

00:12:41 ◼   ► real life okay because I love to

00:12:46 ◼   ► name-drop no I really don't look so so

00:12:49 ◼   ► you said they were two and the second

00:12:50 ◼   ► one was on Project Runway yes the second

00:12:52 ◼   ► problem Project Runway a co-worker of

00:12:53 ◼   ► mine

00:12:54 ◼   ► Alexander Pope was on Project Runway was

00:12:58 ◼   ► it last season I believe it was last

00:13:00 ◼   ► season anyway he did really great and he

00:13:04 ◼   ► didn't get to the end but I think he

00:13:07 ◼   ► should have gotten further than he did

00:13:08 ◼   ► and I worked with him for a number of

00:13:10 ◼   ► years at making costumes so he is very

00:13:14 ◼   ► very talented and really a hilarious

00:13:17 ◼   ► person who loves roller coasters what

00:13:20 ◼   ► was the topic again

00:13:22 ◼   ► reality shows oh my gosh the reality

00:13:24 ◼   ► shows that you're either good or bad

00:13:25 ◼   ► that you watch either for the goodness

00:13:27 ◼   ► or their badness but I thought you

00:13:29 ◼   ► wanted to separate them I do because I

00:13:32 ◼   ► think they should be different but you

00:13:33 ◼   ► are saying they shouldn't I mean why

00:13:34 ◼   ► don't it sounds like we only have one or

00:13:37 ◼   ► two good ones so why don't we just talk

00:13:38 ◼   ► about the bad ones okay it's cool right

00:13:41 ◼   ► up me do you have any other good ones no

00:13:42 ◼   ► I mean I do you want to hear my short

00:13:44 ◼   ► long list you you you could seem to be

00:13:49 ◼   ► the one that is more prepared than me on

00:13:51 ◼   ► this show but in reality I think you are

00:13:53 ◼   ► just as unprepared you just have a

00:13:56 ◼   ► written down version of your

00:13:57 ◼   ► unpreparedness and mine is just like a

00:13:59 ◼   ► slacker I didn't do anything version

00:14:01 ◼   ► I'll tear you alright what do you got

00:14:05 ◼   ► alright cuz you're gonna forget about

00:14:07 ◼   ► half of these shows absolutely okay so

00:14:10 ◼   ► we got Project Runway Top Chef

00:14:12 ◼   ► Mythbusters on Starz LA Ink storage wars

00:14:16 ◼   ► Cake Boss a GT so you thinking can dance

00:14:19 ◼   ► Pickers Hell's Kitchen Ramsay's Kitchen

00:14:23 ◼   ► Nightmares Dog Whisperer hoarders

00:14:25 ◼   ► hoarders what not to wear beauty and the

00:14:28 ◼   ► geek did you forget about that one I

00:14:30 ◼   ► didn't you know today Preppers man

00:14:32 ◼   ► versus food and how the state's got

00:14:34 ◼   ► their shapes which we've been recently

00:14:36 ◼   ► watching always like four episodes of it

00:14:40 ◼   ► so you had on there you ask me about

00:14:42 ◼   ► beauty in the geek

00:14:43 ◼   ► beauty and the geek to me it was I don't

00:14:47 ◼   ► think it has drone for quite some time I

00:14:49 ◼   ► think it's the only brand new four or

00:14:51 ◼   ► five seasons maybe Last Comic Standing

00:14:52 ◼   ► was good I never saw that we should

00:14:55 ◼   ► watch it a beauty and the geek I thought

00:14:57 ◼   ► like I liked it in the sense that I am a

00:15:00 ◼   ► geek and that a lot of the people on

00:15:02 ◼   ► there I could relate to in in a lot of

00:15:06 ◼   ► ways but I didn't think it was that

00:15:10 ◼   ► great of a show like I we watched it we

00:15:13 ◼   ► enjoyed it at the time but I really

00:15:14 ◼   ► don't think it would hold up if you

00:15:15 ◼   ► actually tried to watch it again not

00:15:16 ◼   ► that reality shows ever do but like I

00:15:18 ◼   ► think I think if the same show aired

00:15:20 ◼   ► today we wouldn't even try watching it

00:15:23 ◼   ► because I think we would just assume no

00:15:26 ◼   ► I mean terrible reality shows aren't

00:15:28 ◼   ► really rewatchable know what I'm saying

00:15:31 ◼   ► like you know if they if the show was

00:15:32 ◼   ► still running if it if it if it had

00:15:34 ◼   ► started today

00:15:35 ◼   ► we wouldn't even a chance mmm probably

00:15:38 ◼   ► not no no I watched a lot of garbage

00:15:40 ◼   ► probably if it was on Netflix we would

00:15:42 ◼   ► probably try it right

00:15:44 ◼   ► what about Undercover Boss it so just so

00:15:48 ◼   ► painful we can talk about it though

00:15:49 ◼   ► because it's hilarious he has a bad

00:15:52 ◼   ► reality garbage Netflix show I think

00:15:54 ◼   ► it's great because you don't put a lot

00:15:57 ◼   ► of thought into it

00:15:58 ◼   ► it's incredibly repetitive and doesn't

00:16:00 ◼   ► tie in between episodes so you can jump

00:16:02 ◼   ► in and watch any of the episodes and it

00:16:04 ◼   ► doesn't really matter whether you watch

00:16:05 ◼   ► them all in what order you watch them

00:16:07 ◼   ► they're self-contained so you don't like

00:16:09 ◼   ► watch a whole season to know what's

00:16:10 ◼   ► going on so as a garbage show it is very

00:16:12 ◼   ► very good and it is so very very bad

00:16:15 ◼   ► well because that's the best thing it's

00:16:16 ◼   ► so commonly bad like I love when they

00:16:19 ◼   ► put on their disguises oh yeah like

00:16:21 ◼   ► who's gonna recognize the CEO of some

00:16:25 ◼   ► random company like Oh 1-800 limos who's

00:16:29 ◼   ► the CEO of that nobody knows but they

00:16:32 ◼   ► need to put on disguise because someone

00:16:35 ◼   ► might recognize you and then the big

00:16:36 ◼   ► time like the couple times that like

00:16:38 ◼   ► almost happened they hype it up so much

00:16:41 ◼   ► like oh my god his covers gonna be blown

00:16:44 ◼   ► and then that's it and the whole things

00:16:46 ◼   ► of math it's all gonna be over uh and

00:16:49 ◼   ► then it's not really and they're like

00:16:51 ◼   ► you just need to keep it quiet if you

00:16:52 ◼   ► know I am yeah and that's it and like

00:16:54 ◼   ► and they go to like five different

00:16:55 ◼   ► locations in each episode anyway so it

00:16:58 ◼   ► doesn't even matter like if one of the

00:16:59 ◼   ► managers recognize you but yeah you're

00:17:01 ◼   ► right like like I mean I I used to work

00:17:03 ◼   ► at Staples and I was in college I have

00:17:05 ◼   ► no idea who the CEO of Staples was while

00:17:07 ◼   ► I was working there no clue I would not

00:17:09 ◼   ► I wouldn't even know their name let

00:17:11 ◼   ► alone how to recognize them I can't even

00:17:13 ◼   ► tell you what age or gender they were I

00:17:15 ◼   ► have no idea who'd like it could have

00:17:17 ◼   ► been anybody walking in the door I would

00:17:18 ◼   ► have no clue and before that I worked at

00:17:21 ◼   ► bruger's bagels same deal would have no

00:17:24 ◼   ► idea who the CEO of bruger's bagels yes

00:17:26 ◼   ► can we just automatically cross this one

00:17:27 ◼   ► off the list because I it's just bad no

00:17:30 ◼   ► but it'sit's bad in a way that you want

00:17:32 ◼   ► and you're watching garbage and so is

00:17:33 ◼   ► this on your top for for what purpose

00:17:36 ◼   ► well now we've moved on because what you

00:17:39 ◼   ► only had one on your other list yeah I

00:17:41 ◼   ► only have top chef on my on my good list

00:17:43 ◼   ► they have lots of my bad list so you

00:17:45 ◼   ► have no you have number one is Top Chef

00:17:47 ◼   ► and number two three and four

00:17:49 ◼   ► nothing so you rather watch nothing well

00:17:54 ◼   ► one of the reality shows do i watch that

00:17:56 ◼   ► are actually good very few really all

00:17:58 ◼   ► the other ones that I enjoy are actually

00:18:00 ◼   ► pretty bad okay so we're onto the bad

00:18:02 ◼   ► right so and let me just one more thing

00:18:04 ◼   ► on Undercover Boss the best the best

00:18:06 ◼   ► thing about that show is how incredibly

00:18:09 ◼   ► terrible the prizes at the end are what

00:18:13 ◼   ► about that one guy when they're like

00:18:14 ◼   ► he's so down on his luck he like needed

00:18:17 ◼   ► I don't know it's kid needed to go to

00:18:18 ◼   ► college there was like crazy stuff that

00:18:20 ◼   ► you know the people who are on the show

00:18:22 ◼   ► would benefit from like cash a bonus a

00:18:26 ◼   ► trip anything and someone's like I'm

00:18:28 ◼   ► donating money in your name to this

00:18:30 ◼   ► charity and they're like yeah this

00:18:34 ◼   ► worker who could really use the money

00:18:36 ◼   ► themselves and their boss is like I'm

00:18:38 ◼   ► gonna give like a tree in your name yeah

00:18:40 ◼   ► that was so painful I felt so bad for

00:18:43 ◼   ► those people that got like the shaft

00:18:45 ◼   ► prizes it was or like the one not that

00:18:47 ◼   ► charity is a shaft but I'm just saying

00:18:50 ◼   ► that you know the only people we're

00:18:52 ◼   ► working really hard and being really

00:18:54 ◼   ► awesome at their job and kind of

00:18:55 ◼   ► deserved a bonus cuz like one person

00:18:57 ◼   ► they'd be like you're getting a thousand

00:18:58 ◼   ► dollar bonus and the other person is

00:19:00 ◼   ► like I planted a tree for you and it's

00:19:02 ◼   ► yeah it's that's that's weak it is yeah

00:19:05 ◼   ► it's just is unbalanced yeah and and the

00:19:09 ◼   ► worst ones that the ones that are like

00:19:10 ◼   ► we're gonna put you in leadership

00:19:12 ◼   ► training at our company so it's like

00:19:14 ◼   ► they're putting the person in one of

00:19:16 ◼   ► their own corporate programs that it's

00:19:19 ◼   ► like it's even its work so we're we're

00:19:21 ◼   ► giving you a different kind of work to

00:19:23 ◼   ► do for two weeks

00:19:24 ◼   ► oh my god no that's that that show is

00:19:28 ◼   ► the best because of how terrible it is

00:19:29 ◼   ► it is not my number one worst show but

00:19:31 ◼   ► it is really it is really quite

00:19:33 ◼   ► unchanged I think I got to say my number

00:19:35 ◼   ► one worship worst show will have to be

00:19:38 ◼   ► hoarders I thought you'd say that it's

00:19:40 ◼   ► so awful I can't even watch it it like I

00:19:43 ◼   ► that's so bad it's so disturbing to me I

00:19:45 ◼   ► can't I can't no disturbing i watch it

00:19:48 ◼   ► because i can't fathom how people could

00:19:52 ◼   ► live like that and it fascinates me that

00:19:55 ◼   ► people can live like that and not see it

00:19:58 ◼   ► yeah and so that's why it's like I don't

00:20:01 ◼   ► know that's what it's like the creepy

00:20:03 ◼   ► fascinating other that I feel like when

00:20:07 ◼   ► I watch that show I'm like what is what

00:20:09 ◼   ► is going through your mind you know like

00:20:11 ◼   ► yeah sometimes I walk past a piece of

00:20:14 ◼   ► paper on the floor and decide not to

00:20:16 ◼   ► pick it up but I eventually pick it up

00:20:19 ◼   ► maybe like well days later oh my god now

00:20:22 ◼   ► it's time for you to go in the trash but

00:20:24 ◼   ► that's as far as I go but yeah some of

00:20:27 ◼   ► these some of these ones who it's it's

00:20:30 ◼   ► hard to watch a couple of them I cannot

00:20:32 ◼   ► watch animal hoarders because I feel

00:20:34 ◼   ► very bad for the animals yep but you

00:20:37 ◼   ► know a good show hoarders doesn't

00:20:40 ◼   ► doesn't end without a couple dead cats

00:20:42 ◼   ► so I cannot lie I don't know how you can

00:20:45 ◼   ► endure that show I cannot watch that

00:20:47 ◼   ► show it's now that I'm talking about it

00:20:50 ◼   ► I'm pretty embarrassed

00:20:51 ◼   ► yeah I'm pretty embarrassed that I watch

00:20:53 ◼   ► that see to me I think I'm trying to

00:20:56 ◼   ► think of like my number-one garbage show

00:20:58 ◼   ► and why not - where's I watch we watch

00:21:02 ◼   ► totally different garbage shows yeah I'm

00:21:05 ◼   ► thinking it might be Pawn Stars Pawn

00:21:08 ◼   ► Stars is really it's really like when

00:21:10 ◼   ► they had like the old musketoons and

00:21:12 ◼   ► stuff on that show the old guns because

00:21:14 ◼   ► I don't hear about guns at all no a gun

00:21:16 ◼   ► person at all not even not even a little

00:21:18 ◼   ► bit but no I just I like all like the

00:21:19 ◼   ► weird stuff they find I'm sure a lot of

00:21:21 ◼   ► it is like set up and stage and

00:21:23 ◼   ► everything you know I don't care won't

00:21:26 ◼   ► care that any of that stage do you know

00:21:27 ◼   ► a lot of people are like oh how do you

00:21:28 ◼   ► like that this is staged like I watched

00:21:30 ◼   ► storage wars that's so bad

00:21:31 ◼   ► Oh Sarge why that's so good ah yeah it's

00:21:35 ◼   ► great I love all the crazy stuff they

00:21:37 ◼   ► find but I mean we did a little

00:21:39 ◼   ► periscope for like two seconds and

00:21:42 ◼   ► someone said you know was working for

00:21:44 ◼   ► them and I hope they're listening hi so

00:21:46 ◼   ► but I mean even if they plant stuff in

00:21:49 ◼   ► there which yeah changes things a little

00:21:52 ◼   ► bit I still really like the show yeah to

00:21:54 ◼   ► me yeah so so Pawn Stars I think is very

00:21:57 ◼   ► very good it is very entertaining I also

00:22:00 ◼   ► really really like cut through a kitchen

00:22:04 ◼   ► and cut through a kitchen is my kitchen

00:22:07 ◼   ► how I don't know it's not on the list

00:22:10 ◼   ► putting it on right now

00:22:12 ◼   ► so it cut their kitchen to me I mean

00:22:15 ◼   ► there's lots of bad cooking reality

00:22:18 ◼   ► shows and cutthroat kitchen I think is

00:22:20 ◼   ► actually pretty good like when it first

00:22:22 ◼   ► started I thought all this this has all

00:22:23 ◼   ► the makings of a bad one like shock is

00:22:25 ◼   ► the worst chopped

00:22:26 ◼   ► I can't watch because it's so

00:22:28 ◼   ► frustratingly bad the judges are bad

00:22:31 ◼   ► that's why it's because the judges on

00:22:33 ◼   ► chopped are so fickle when it comes to

00:22:38 ◼   ► what they're choosing and why they're

00:22:40 ◼   ► choosing it and they're just like you

00:22:41 ◼   ► would think they'd say this horrible

00:22:43 ◼   ► things about one person another person

00:22:44 ◼   ► completely leaves off half the

00:22:46 ◼   ► ingredients from their dish and then a

00:22:48 ◼   ► third person like makes something that

00:22:49 ◼   ► just needed a little bit of salt and

00:22:51 ◼   ► you're like oh man it has to be the guy

00:22:53 ◼   ► that like left everything off his dish

00:22:54 ◼   ► and then this part of it that he did

00:22:56 ◼   ► make didn't really taste very good and

00:22:57 ◼   ► then when they go to reveal the person

00:22:59 ◼   ► that got chopped it's the dude who left

00:23:01 ◼   ► off a little bit of salt like right and

00:23:03 ◼   ► they'll say well you're we had to chop

00:23:06 ◼   ► you please because your dish was green

00:23:08 ◼   ► it's like it'll be like some random

00:23:10 ◼   ► reason and you're like that's the

00:23:12 ◼   ► problem at that show is like I think to

00:23:14 ◼   ► enjoy these kind of these judging shows

00:23:16 ◼   ► he's judging competition shows I think

00:23:18 ◼   ► the audience has to feel like they can

00:23:20 ◼   ► predict what's going to happen right

00:23:22 ◼   ► before it happens so the audience has to

00:23:23 ◼   ► be able to say oh based on what they

00:23:25 ◼   ► just said I bet they're gonna eliminate

00:23:26 ◼   ► that guy you know like the audience have

00:23:28 ◼   ► to believe that it it makes sense to

00:23:31 ◼   ► them and the version they're seeing

00:23:32 ◼   ► makes sense and then with chopped the

00:23:34 ◼   ► judges like they're there they make the

00:23:36 ◼   ► craziest comments and they they cut

00:23:38 ◼   ► somebody random and it just feels like

00:23:40 ◼   ► it feels like why am I even watching

00:23:43 ◼   ► this if there's like kind of rolling the

00:23:44 ◼   ► dice and for all we know it could be a

00:23:47 ◼   ► good judging panel that's just edited

00:23:49 ◼   ► very badly when it's shown on TV but it

00:23:52 ◼   ► doesn't seem that way it seems like you

00:23:54 ◼   ► know either they have really a bad

00:23:55 ◼   ► editors or they have really a bad judges

00:23:57 ◼   ► and I think it's most likely they really

00:23:59 ◼   ► about judges they just they just judges

00:24:00 ◼   ► the willy-nilly they don't even think

00:24:02 ◼   ► about it there's a one woman that she's

00:24:04 ◼   ► just always angry or at least she always

00:24:06 ◼   ► looks angry and just everyone was angry

00:24:10 ◼   ► I just don't even look like they want to

00:24:15 ◼   ► be there and they're like yeah I'll just

00:24:16 ◼   ► judge your food and then they're like

00:24:18 ◼   ► yeah you're chopped and it just I don't

00:24:19 ◼   ► feel like that the people that win

00:24:21 ◼   ► necessarily deserve it and I think that

00:24:23 ◼   ► that's frustrating but with cutthroat

00:24:25 ◼   ► kitchen

00:24:26 ◼   ► they have hilarious hilarious what do

00:24:30 ◼   ► they call them the judges no sabotages

00:24:34 ◼   ► yeah it was we really liked Alton Brown

00:24:37 ◼   ► so we find him fantastic we really like

00:24:40 ◼   ► to show good eat good eats and and we

00:24:48 ◼   ► saw him do a show live which was really

00:24:51 ◼   ► fun so we really liked him as a host and

00:24:54 ◼   ► then the judges they have on or often

00:24:57 ◼   ► people that were on Top Chef which is

00:24:58 ◼   ► excellent and also they seem their

00:25:01 ◼   ► judging is much more competent and yeah

00:25:04 ◼   ► the sabotages are so funny I love the

00:25:07 ◼   ► tiny kitchen yeah they're just a

00:25:10 ◼   ► constantly something really funny that

00:25:13 ◼   ► is gonna mess people up and then yet

00:25:15 ◼   ► people overcome and it's very very good

00:25:17 ◼   ► yeah it's like like usually the people

00:25:19 ◼   ► who got the most sabotages like it

00:25:21 ◼   ► doesn't seem to affect who loses or not

00:25:24 ◼   ► like it doesn't seem to have a very

00:25:25 ◼   ► strong correlation of like if you get

00:25:27 ◼   ► sabotage the most you will lose like

00:25:29 ◼   ► there's not it doesn't seem like that is

00:25:30 ◼   ► the case yeah my I definitely I love the

00:25:33 ◼   ► ones where they have where they get like

00:25:34 ◼   ► funny-looking tools like either like you

00:25:37 ◼   ► know factional you're too late' of tin

00:25:38 ◼   ► foil or whatever like so there's so many

00:25:39 ◼   ► good sabotages there well when they tape

00:25:42 ◼   ► things to their hands that they can't do

00:25:44 ◼   ► it like tape is an oven mitt to your

00:25:46 ◼   ► hand or whatever it's like your only

00:25:48 ◼   ► source of heat is this like tea light

00:25:50 ◼   ► it's so bad or like they just give you

00:25:53 ◼   ► this garbage ingredient to replace this

00:25:55 ◼   ► beautiful fresh ingredient with I

00:25:57 ◼   ► remember what we watching that that 100

00:26:01 ◼   ► year old egg that was on that was truck

00:26:04 ◼   ► hopped but what they should do on

00:26:05 ◼   ► cutthroat kitchen if they haven't done

00:26:07 ◼   ► it is replace all if they're making like

00:26:08 ◼   ► egg salad replace all your eggs with 100

00:26:11 ◼   ► year old eggs but if anyone doesn't know

00:26:13 ◼   ► what that is look that up we'll put it

00:26:14 ◼   ► in our show notes which we do now we've

00:26:17 ◼   ► shot the way we have shown oh I think

00:26:19 ◼   ► you just signed us up for show notes so

00:26:20 ◼   ► you'll be in charge of that we do a show

00:26:22 ◼   ► notes because the first show you

00:26:23 ◼   ► mentioned like one article so that's our

00:26:25 ◼   ► shit

00:26:26 ◼   ► they are not extensive they're just you

00:26:28 ◼   ► know what they are yeah I would say

00:26:31 ◼   ► among the cooking garbage reality shows

00:26:34 ◼   ► I would say cut through kitchen is

00:26:36 ◼   ► almost good enough to be on the good

00:26:38 ◼   ► list I think it is

00:26:39 ◼   ► was good enough to be on the good list I

00:26:40 ◼   ► was and I think about putting it there

00:26:41 ◼   ► under my project runway I don't that

00:26:44 ◼   ► good it is very good you you with your

00:26:48 ◼   ► top three you can't just like pick spots

00:26:50 ◼   ► this is this is about the top four is

00:26:52 ◼   ► this is about how many like in order if

00:26:54 ◼   ► you don't have anything else to put

00:26:56 ◼   ► between it it's automatically your

00:26:57 ◼   ► thirds like that's just how it happens

00:26:59 ◼   ► last show you didn't have a second like

00:27:01 ◼   ► you just didn't you didn't know there

00:27:02 ◼   ► was no number two for you know you had

00:27:05 ◼   ► one

00:27:05 ◼   ► you had three and you had like six on

00:27:07 ◼   ► four the only thing I don't like about

00:27:09 ◼   ► cut their kitchen is the prizes again

00:27:12 ◼   ► are usually end up being kammath ly

00:27:14 ◼   ► small like you know they have their own

00:27:16 ◼   ► fault the most they can they can win is

00:27:18 ◼   ► $25,000 but I've never seen anybody even

00:27:21 ◼   ► go above like what about 12 or so I

00:27:24 ◼   ► can't I can't say for sure and usually

00:27:26 ◼   ► usually like what we end up seeing is

00:27:28 ◼   ► somebody will win the show and they'll

00:27:31 ◼   ► win like maybe 3,000 bucks

00:27:32 ◼   ► and it's like a half-hour isn't so bad

00:27:36 ◼   ► for a competition I don't

00:27:39 ◼   ► that seems unreasonably cheap for what

00:27:41 ◼   ► you're comparing it to competitions that

00:27:43 ◼   ► last month's I I guess it still seems

00:27:46 ◼   ► like a little bit too too small I don't

00:27:49 ◼   ► know anyway so what what else do you

00:27:51 ◼   ► have on your list for either good or bad

00:27:53 ◼   ► reality shows slash competition shows

00:27:57 ◼   ► slash Buster's well we have to talk

00:28:01 ◼   ► about a little I like I like tattoo

00:28:03 ◼   ► shows yeah much Markos chagrin I do not

00:28:09 ◼   ► have any tattoos marco also does not

00:28:12 ◼   ► have any tattoos I know of I'm pretty

00:28:15 ◼   ► sure I know now okay so so so yeah I

00:28:24 ◼   ► really like tattoo shows and we've been

00:28:27 ◼   ► recently watching one that was that's

00:28:29 ◼   ► called um bad tattoos I think yeah and

00:28:32 ◼   ► it's about a guy who walks around Vegas

00:28:35 ◼   ► fixing people's tattoos and he's very

00:28:37 ◼   ► good at it

00:28:38 ◼   ► I mean Marco sat down and watched a

00:28:40 ◼   ► couple with me and I think he kind of

00:28:41 ◼   ► liked a little bit because it's very

00:28:43 ◼   ► interesting how good they can cover up

00:28:45 ◼   ► tattoos with other tattoos yeah I don't

00:28:48 ◼   ► I don't like tattoos at all

00:28:50 ◼   ► I it's not I don't like hate people with

00:28:52 ◼   ► tattoos I just

00:28:53 ◼   ► just don't do anything for me I just

00:28:55 ◼   ► don't like they don't appeal to me at

00:28:58 ◼   ► all and so I don't I can't look at the

00:29:01 ◼   ► show and say oh that's a really awesome

00:29:03 ◼   ► tattoo but what I can do is I can look

00:29:07 ◼   ► at this show and I can say wow that was

00:29:09 ◼   ► a really creative job and a really

00:29:11 ◼   ► effective job at covering up that bad

00:29:13 ◼   ► tattoo you know like that's what like

00:29:14 ◼   ► any other tattoo show I wouldn't really

00:29:16 ◼   ► enjoy you like tattoo makeover shows

00:29:19 ◼   ► sure it's just like it's interesting

00:29:22 ◼   ► it's like it's a design problem it's

00:29:24 ◼   ► like how the heck do you cover that up

00:29:25 ◼   ► and the guy is really good yeah you

00:29:28 ◼   ► can't see like even when there's like

00:29:29 ◼   ► crazy thick Fontan words they over them

00:29:32 ◼   ► up I mean they have to come up with like

00:29:33 ◼   ► tremendous tattoos but they do it and I

00:29:36 ◼   ► also I love LA Ink that was one of my

00:29:38 ◼   ► favorite reality shows which is Kat Von

00:29:41 ◼   ► D's tattoo shop in LA and I love her

00:29:47 ◼   ► show I think she's excellent and she's a

00:29:50 ◼   ► fantastic artist if he's ever seen the

00:29:52 ◼   ► show she can tattoo portraits on people

00:29:55 ◼   ► that look real it's it's incredible she

00:29:58 ◼   ► can also draw them so she is you know

00:30:00 ◼   ► very very talented in many many ways and

00:30:03 ◼   ► she just happens to be an incredible

00:30:05 ◼   ► tattoo artist there's that I have

00:30:08 ◼   ► nothing to say I've walked through and

00:30:10 ◼   ► seen like five minutes of it and I can't

00:30:12 ◼   ► get through it because that that seemed

00:30:13 ◼   ► like a shift from the pit from the parts

00:30:15 ◼   ► I've seen correct me if I'm wrong is

00:30:16 ◼   ► that a show that's more about like the

00:30:17 ◼   ► interpersonal relationships and drama

00:30:18 ◼   ► and stuff it gets there but I watch it

00:30:21 ◼   ► for the tattoos it's like I used to

00:30:23 ◼   ► watch I to watch it for the tattoos

00:30:24 ◼   ► because I like the art version I like

00:30:26 ◼   ► read it I read the articles right I do I

00:30:29 ◼   ► do read the articles like I watch it

00:30:32 ◼   ► because I want to see it's like I want

00:30:35 ◼   ► to see you know the finished product I

00:30:36 ◼   ► want to see how it comes out because

00:30:38 ◼   ► these people are really fantastic

00:30:40 ◼   ► artists that just happen to be doing

00:30:42 ◼   ► tattoos on people and I find it

00:30:44 ◼   ► interesting what people decide to put on

00:30:46 ◼   ► their body permanently and what their

00:30:48 ◼   ► choices are yeah yeah so also I want to

00:30:52 ◼   ► talk about to totally switch gears here

00:30:54 ◼   ► Dog Whisperer that's interesting okay I

00:30:57 ◼   ► guess that's a reality show yeah that

00:31:00 ◼   ► makes sense it's wholly reality show and

00:31:01 ◼   ► you know we watch Dog Whisperer a lot

00:31:04 ◼   ► and we learned a lot

00:31:06 ◼   ► Cesar who is the dog whisperer I want to

00:31:10 ◼   ► say Cesar Chavez but that's not it Cesar

00:31:13 ◼   ► Millan I know it's these are balloons

00:31:14 ◼   ► yeah but you don't know what Cesar

00:31:17 ◼   ► Chavez look like no nevermind anyway

00:31:19 ◼   ► that Simpsons

00:31:20 ◼   ► you're the worst okay right before we

00:31:23 ◼   ► got hops we watched tons and tons of Dog

00:31:25 ◼   ► Whisperer and when he was a puppy and we

00:31:27 ◼   ► did almost everything that they said and

00:31:29 ◼   ► he is an amazing dog now yeah and we've

00:31:32 ◼   ► also we have we have done tricks like

00:31:36 ◼   ► that or like training methods like that

00:31:37 ◼   ► in small ways whenever we are around

00:31:40 ◼   ► like you know our parents dogs or

00:31:42 ◼   ► whatever and they work like instantly

00:31:46 ◼   ► yeah it's it really is incredible how

00:31:49 ◼   ► much Cesar is right about how dogs work

00:31:52 ◼   ► and I know that there's there's a lot of

00:31:55 ◼   ► controversy around his methods from some

00:31:57 ◼   ► people and I don't have look too deeply

00:31:59 ◼   ► into those into the controversy because

00:32:01 ◼   ► all we know is that the parts that we do

00:32:03 ◼   ► work really well well he's dealing with

00:32:05 ◼   ► a lot of the times dogs that are

00:32:06 ◼   ► problems or already like pretty bad and

00:32:10 ◼   ► he needs to you know rehabilitate the

00:32:14 ◼   ► dog so it's better and then train people

00:32:16 ◼   ► that's there's a little logo line and to

00:32:19 ◼   ► teach them how to communicate with dogs

00:32:21 ◼   ► properly so that the dog understands

00:32:23 ◼   ► what the human wants the dog to do and

00:32:25 ◼   ► if you start off fresh with the puppy or

00:32:28 ◼   ► a dog that's only slightly misbehaving

00:32:30 ◼   ► and not like aggressively biting people

00:32:32 ◼   ► you can take his methods and it really

00:32:36 ◼   ► works like just simply taking your dog

00:32:38 ◼   ► for a walk appropriately like not

00:32:41 ◼   ► letting the dog pull you on a walk but

00:32:43 ◼   ► farce forcing the dog to walk with you

00:32:45 ◼   ► it just changes everything it doesn't

00:32:47 ◼   ► matter what kind of leash you have on

00:32:49 ◼   ► the way that it really doesn't like it

00:32:50 ◼   ► just it matters how you are deciding to

00:32:53 ◼   ► walk with your dog this is that's very

00:32:56 ◼   ► hard for me to not say long island walk

00:32:58 ◼   ► with your dog into the Long Island

00:33:03 ◼   ► corner there yeah anyway so little

00:33:07 ◼   ► things like that small training bits

00:33:10 ◼   ► like making the dog wait before going

00:33:12 ◼   ► through doorways sit and make eye

00:33:15 ◼   ► contact before giving them food things

00:33:17 ◼   ► like that just really very quickly make

00:33:20 ◼   ► of

00:33:20 ◼   ► very well-behaved dog yeah it's really

00:33:22 ◼   ► we have had such great luck with those

00:33:24 ◼   ► methods and part of it you know

00:33:25 ◼   ► obviously some dogs are easier to train

00:33:27 ◼   ► than others because of their

00:33:28 ◼   ► personalities and our dog is also just

00:33:30 ◼   ► really easy because he's naturally very

00:33:33 ◼   ► like a rabid and submissive and it's a

00:33:36 ◼   ► natural rug so what's next on your list

00:33:38 ◼   ► of good or bad reality we're still going

00:33:41 ◼   ► are we done I don't know well do you

00:33:45 ◼   ► have you now you're trying to get all up

00:33:47 ◼   ► on my list you didn't want anything to

00:33:50 ◼   ► do with my list

00:33:51 ◼   ► well we watched so much garbage I have a

00:33:54 ◼   ► GT on here but we didn't we haven't at

00:33:58 ◼   ► which stands where America's Got Talent

00:33:59 ◼   ► which we started watching because Howard

00:34:01 ◼   ► Stern's on it where Howard fans yeah I

00:34:05 ◼   ► really don't see us watching it after he

00:34:08 ◼   ► leaves which is presumably after this

00:34:09 ◼   ► season no I wouldn't either I have Cake

00:34:11 ◼   ► Boss on here okay seemed like it was

00:34:14 ◼   ► pretty good actually like as these shows

00:34:16 ◼   ► go there's much more about like the

00:34:18 ◼   ► family brush painting with each other

00:34:19 ◼   ► and that gets really old fast I mean I

00:34:21 ◼   ► used to love watching America's Next Top

00:34:23 ◼   ► Model until it became the Tara banks

00:34:25 ◼   ► look at me show and it also became about

00:34:28 ◼   ► all of the models complaining to each

00:34:30 ◼   ► other in the house pretty much the whole

00:34:32 ◼   ► time because I was watching that show

00:34:34 ◼   ► again for the photographs like I wanted

00:34:37 ◼   ► to see the photos that they got out of

00:34:40 ◼   ► people and you know how they look before

00:34:41 ◼   ► before they're all like done up and then

00:34:43 ◼   ► they're you know the artistic process

00:34:45 ◼   ► that's what I found the show interesting

00:34:47 ◼   ► for and then it just became total

00:34:49 ◼   ► garbage fight fest so I quit watching

00:34:51 ◼   ► that let's talk about man vs. food

00:34:55 ◼   ► that's a pretty good one yeah I mean you

00:34:58 ◼   ► you're more into it than I am because

00:34:59 ◼   ► you just love crazy stuff I mean how do

00:35:05 ◼   ► you rank that between your other because

00:35:07 ◼   ► you had you seem like you have a lot of

00:35:09 ◼   ► shows that are about the same rank yeah

00:35:11 ◼   ► I'm pulling to you here I have like a

00:35:14 ◼   ► whole bunch my number six shows and I

00:35:17 ◼   ► have nothing three or four but I really

00:35:20 ◼   ► like my own versus food because I like

00:35:22 ◼   ► well I don't necessarily want like

00:35:24 ◼   ► watching competitive eating but I do

00:35:26 ◼   ► like when he goes around to the

00:35:28 ◼   ► different restaurants all over the

00:35:29 ◼   ► country and talked about like what their

00:35:31 ◼   ► best thing is

00:35:33 ◼   ► it just looks so delicious yeah like

00:35:36 ◼   ► like the that show usually has a two

00:35:38 ◼   ► segments that the first one is like I'm

00:35:40 ◼   ► just going to go eat something that's

00:35:41 ◼   ► really famous and the second half is

00:35:43 ◼   ► like now I'm gonna go eat like the big

00:35:44 ◼   ► challenge food and I usually I like the

00:35:47 ◼   ► first half better most of the time

00:35:48 ◼   ► because usually the first half is the

00:35:50 ◼   ► part that's more like food tourism and

00:35:52 ◼   ► the second half is more like let's see

00:35:54 ◼   ► if you can finish this ridiculously

00:35:56 ◼   ► seemingly impossible task of eating this

00:35:58 ◼   ► pile of garbage well see if you just

00:36:00 ◼   ► want food tourism you could always do

00:36:01 ◼   ► guy Furies diners drive-ins and dives

00:36:03 ◼   ► but I find I think his name is Adam

00:36:07 ◼   ► actually yeah the guy's name is Adam who

00:36:10 ◼   ► does members food man vs. food I find

00:36:12 ◼   ► him more personable and I just I had the

00:36:17 ◼   ► places he goes they're pretty neat I'm

00:36:18 ◼   ► pretty sure there's been plenty of

00:36:20 ◼   ► overlap between the two but I like that

00:36:22 ◼   ► the show switches it up and then they

00:36:25 ◼   ► have like this weird usually like

00:36:26 ◼   ► strange competitive eating aspect to it

00:36:29 ◼   ► at the end it's pretty gross when he

00:36:31 ◼   ► vomits especially after having

00:36:33 ◼   ► milkshakes he can't keep down those

00:36:36 ◼   ► milkshakes I don't blame him

00:36:37 ◼   ► trying to drink like 15 milkshakes and

00:36:40 ◼   ► you know a half hours really unhealthy

00:36:42 ◼   ► but yeah I like it needs very spicy

00:36:47 ◼   ► foods very large foods seems to me like

00:36:49 ◼   ► the the like stuff like the milkshake

00:36:52 ◼   ► thing like that that is not interesting

00:36:53 ◼   ► to me like I even as a viewer like that

00:36:55 ◼   ► that doesn't seem like it's that

00:36:56 ◼   ► interesting of a challenge to me like

00:36:58 ◼   ► the best man vs. food challenges are the

00:37:00 ◼   ► ones that are not just like here's a

00:37:04 ◼   ► normal thing eat ten of them but instead

00:37:06 ◼   ► it's like here's like a tremendous

00:37:09 ◼   ► version of a normal thing or here's a

00:37:10 ◼   ► really weird combination of things or

00:37:12 ◼   ► here's like a really extreme version

00:37:14 ◼   ► like some crazy hot pepper or something

00:37:15 ◼   ► like you know that I think is more

00:37:17 ◼   ► interesting than yours 15 milkshakes

00:37:20 ◼   ► it's not like that that's true so it

00:37:23 ◼   ► seems like we have found a topic that

00:37:25 ◼   ► neither of us have strong opinions on

00:37:28 ◼   ► because you know so it seems like with

00:37:32 ◼   ► garbey shows like there is no ranking

00:37:34 ◼   ► for garbage you know I think that

00:37:35 ◼   ► there's just one big pool of garbage but

00:37:38 ◼   ► yeah I mean it's just it's hard to rank

00:37:40 ◼   ► things because the longer they last the

00:37:43 ◼   ► worse they get in terms of seasons

00:37:46 ◼   ► usually because they start you know

00:37:48 ◼   ► stretching you know and reaching for

00:37:50 ◼   ► straws is that the phrase I don't know

00:37:51 ◼   ► grasping at straws sure she's reaching

00:37:54 ◼   ► for the stars they start reaching for

00:37:56 ◼   ► the stars yeah okay

00:37:57 ◼   ► and then it's just it all falls apart

00:38:00 ◼   ► and it's not very good and even when

00:38:02 ◼   ► they switch the people if they try and

00:38:04 ◼   ► do that then it's jarring it's just not

00:38:07 ◼   ► good and then a lot of it's very

00:38:08 ◼   ► repetitive or it's sad or it's you know

00:38:11 ◼   ► like you know the addiction shows like I

00:38:13 ◼   ► can't watch any of those they're just

00:38:15 ◼   ► too depressing yeah yeah I liked what

00:38:18 ◼   ► not to wear a lot but then that gets a

00:38:20 ◼   ► repetitive - because they always put

00:38:22 ◼   ► everyone in the same outfit they're like

00:38:24 ◼   ► well we're gonna try and style this for

00:38:26 ◼   ► you but it totally looks like the same

00:38:29 ◼   ► dress that they put the other girl in

00:38:30 ◼   ► that was a completely different person

00:38:31 ◼   ► they've changed the color Holmes

00:38:34 ◼   ► Inspection home done Holmes will see

00:38:37 ◼   ► novel see Holmes on a home they don't

00:38:39 ◼   ► actually enjoy that much

00:38:40 ◼   ► we tried watching a few of them they

00:38:41 ◼   ► aren't that good that's your home's

00:38:42 ◼   ► inspection the same guy different

00:38:45 ◼   ► different kind of show it makes you

00:38:46 ◼   ► spanic about your house it may if you

00:38:49 ◼   ► own a home it's like oh my god what are

00:38:51 ◼   ► all the things there fuck with my house

00:38:53 ◼   ► right this instant

00:38:54 ◼   ► that is leaking creating mold and my

00:38:56 ◼   ► walls are gonna fall down yeah you got

00:38:59 ◼   ► to watch Homes inspection it's on

00:39:00 ◼   ► Netflix at least at the time we were

00:39:02 ◼   ► recording it I'm pretty sure it's still

00:39:03 ◼   ► there and it there's only been a handful

00:39:05 ◼   ► of season that that company unless yeah

00:39:07 ◼   ► yeah homes inspection and it is oh my

00:39:10 ◼   ► god it is so scary cuz like the guy Mike

00:39:12 ◼   ► Holmes Mike on yeah he's great like he's

00:39:15 ◼   ► an actor yeah Canadian of course

00:39:17 ◼   ► although all the nicest people are

00:39:18 ◼   ► Canadian so so he's great and he he

00:39:22 ◼   ► basically goes and homes on homes I

00:39:24 ◼   ► think was was less compelling because it

00:39:27 ◼   ► was like we're gonna go help these

00:39:29 ◼   ► people who were rich enough to renovate

00:39:32 ◼   ► their house and they just got a crappy

00:39:35 ◼   ► job done we're gonna finish it whereas

00:39:36 ◼   ► like homes inspection is a lot more kind

00:39:40 ◼   ► of morally justifiable or or more

00:39:42 ◼   ► there's more empathy there where home

00:39:43 ◼   ► inspection is like here are some people

00:39:45 ◼   ► who got screwed on the house they bought

00:39:47 ◼   ► and and they usually oftentimes as

00:39:50 ◼   ► people who really couldn't afford to fix

00:39:51 ◼   ► it yes or to fix it right at least you

00:39:55 ◼   ► know and like that that I think is a

00:39:56 ◼   ► more interesting emotionally it's more

00:39:59 ◼   ► interesting show

00:40:00 ◼   ► I don't think you could say that these

00:40:01 ◼   ► people who were the regular homes on

00:40:03 ◼   ► homes that I mean come on you save up

00:40:06 ◼   ► money to do a home renovation because

00:40:08 ◼   ► you want to do it you specifically like

00:40:10 ◼   ► pick something out you're trying to get

00:40:12 ◼   ► something fixed in your house it you can

00:40:15 ◼   ► not have a you know you could have a lot

00:40:16 ◼   ► of money or you could have very little

00:40:17 ◼   ► money regardless of it was someone saved

00:40:20 ◼   ► up to do this to their home and then it

00:40:22 ◼   ► got done wrong and it was and they don't

00:40:25 ◼   ► have enough money to do it again that's

00:40:27 ◼   ► the problem with the ones that the

00:40:29 ◼   ► contractors failed okay that's true I'll

00:40:31 ◼   ► give you that that's fair I mean come on

00:40:33 ◼   ► that's really crappy if like you know

00:40:34 ◼   ► your contractor comes you take time you

00:40:37 ◼   ► hire them they do the work and then they

00:40:39 ◼   ► end up not doing it right and you have

00:40:42 ◼   ► no repercussion to like find them if

00:40:44 ◼   ► they ditch you if they leave a job

00:40:46 ◼   ► half-done a lot of them were like jobs

00:40:49 ◼   ► that were just never finished they just

00:40:51 ◼   ► left you know like and then the people

00:40:53 ◼   ► are like hung up for the money that they

00:40:55 ◼   ► already gave them and they can't afford

00:40:57 ◼   ► to have someone else in because they

00:40:58 ◼   ► already spent half their money getting

00:41:00 ◼   ► the first job done that didn't work out

00:41:01 ◼   ► okay that's fair I'll give you that yeah

00:41:03 ◼   ► but I still think that homes inspections

00:41:06 ◼   ► inspection is a better show it's more

00:41:07 ◼   ► relatable it's more like because you

00:41:10 ◼   ► know everyone who buys a house or even

00:41:12 ◼   ► lives in a rental house everyone who

00:41:14 ◼   ► lives anywhere everyone who buys a house

00:41:17 ◼   ► can relate to the problems that homes

00:41:20 ◼   ► inspection uncovers whereas the problems

00:41:22 ◼   ► at homes on homes addresses it's a it's

00:41:24 ◼   ► a much smaller narrower audience if

00:41:26 ◼   ► people who can relate to that because if

00:41:27 ◼   ► that's the only people who have had

00:41:28 ◼   ► renovation done whereas homes inspection

00:41:30 ◼   ► is all homeowners that who could look at

00:41:33 ◼   ► this show and not only enjoy it and feel

00:41:35 ◼   ► empathy for the people but also like it

00:41:37 ◼   ► freaks them out and it interests them to

00:41:39 ◼   ► see all the different ways that these

00:41:41 ◼   ► houses are terrible and then of course

00:41:42 ◼   ► that prompts you to look at your own

00:41:43 ◼   ► house and to see all the ways that your

00:41:45 ◼   ► own house is terrible in all the ways

00:41:47 ◼   ► they're discussing on the show oh yes

00:41:49 ◼   ► it's really great yeah yeah it's awesome

00:41:52 ◼   ► yeah yeah roof ventilation very

00:41:55 ◼   ► important very important the mold will

00:41:57 ◼   ► come alright so this episode of top four

00:42:03 ◼   ► our top four lists are Top Chef

00:42:07 ◼   ► from me project one runway number two

00:42:10 ◼   ► from mark oh nothing

00:42:14 ◼   ► number three nothing for either of us

00:42:18 ◼   ► right number four

00:42:20 ◼   ► giant pool of garbage of cars with I

00:42:25 ◼   ► think cut through a kitchen bobbing at

00:42:28 ◼   ► the top of that

00:42:29 ◼   ► yeah cutthroat kitchen maybe that's our

00:42:30 ◼   ► number three well that's what I said if

00:42:32 ◼   ► it's if you don't have something in a

00:42:34 ◼   ► slot and there's one that's over the

00:42:36 ◼   ► other ones it's your number three like

00:42:38 ◼   ► you you gotta put it in there I think we

00:42:40 ◼   ► can leave gaps so here's a question

00:42:42 ◼   ► think you are think that's that's why so

00:42:45 ◼   ► to close this out

00:42:47 ◼   ► let's talk critically about our topics

00:42:50 ◼   ► about Top Chef and Project Runway now do

00:42:52 ◼   ► you is there anything I don't watch

00:42:54 ◼   ► Project Runway really so so I will

00:42:55 ◼   ► address this only to you then instead of

00:42:58 ◼   ► you know officer myself or anyone else

00:43:00 ◼   ► here so I'll dress is only to you is

00:43:02 ◼   ► there something about Project Runway

00:43:04 ◼   ► that you think is declining because it

00:43:07 ◼   ► has been running a while you said

00:43:08 ◼   ► earlier shows that run a while have

00:43:10 ◼   ► things that are declining is there

00:43:12 ◼   ► something in Project Runway that you

00:43:13 ◼   ► think is getting worse over time well

00:43:15 ◼   ► they have new judges which is fine I

00:43:17 ◼   ► think that they're good judges so it's

00:43:19 ◼   ► pretty it's fine they are getting a

00:43:22 ◼   ► little bit more into the drama of things

00:43:24 ◼   ► and I guess that you know having it be

00:43:28 ◼   ► on so long it might be getting a little

00:43:30 ◼   ► long in the tooth is that the right

00:43:32 ◼   ► thing to say I don't know I think so

00:43:33 ◼   ► that sounds good

00:43:35 ◼   ► so but in general I think it's standing

00:43:38 ◼   ► up because everyone kind of wants to see

00:43:43 ◼   ► it's fun to watch people make the things

00:43:47 ◼   ► that they make on Project Runway you

00:43:49 ◼   ► know because they the challenges that

00:43:50 ◼   ► they have are usually very creative

00:43:57 ◼   ► especially when they use an

00:43:58 ◼   ► unconventional materials challenge or

00:44:00 ◼   ► they do this kind of challenge or you

00:44:02 ◼   ► know they have to get fabric from this

00:44:05 ◼   ► place or they have to work within this

00:44:08 ◼   ► restriction that they put on them for a

00:44:09 ◼   ► challenge and that's very interesting to

00:44:11 ◼   ► see how different people kind of adapt

00:44:16 ◼   ► to that they had a moment in their

00:44:18 ◼   ► reality in their show one of the years

00:44:20 ◼   ► they did this teams thing they tried

00:44:22 ◼   ► that out and that didn't work out so

00:44:24 ◼   ► they reverted back the neck

00:44:26 ◼   ► year and I think they even had a couple

00:44:27 ◼   ► people on who were on the teams thing

00:44:29 ◼   ► back because it was such a crappy year

00:44:32 ◼   ► to be on

00:44:33 ◼   ► I think the sponsorship stuff is getting

00:44:36 ◼   ► a little bad on Project Runway you know

00:44:38 ◼   ► they're really kind of hounding the

00:44:40 ◼   ► Lexus sponsorship and cramming it down

00:44:44 ◼   ► your throat and being like this is the

00:44:45 ◼   ► Lexus challenge or this is the yoke play

00:44:48 ◼   ► challenge it's like how what does that

00:44:51 ◼   ► have to do with Project Runway is

00:44:52 ◼   ► running around some boardwalk trying to

00:44:54 ◼   ► sell yogurt to people and get them to

00:44:56 ◼   ► say the words that make them think of

00:44:58 ◼   ► the yogurt and so then you have to use

00:45:00 ◼   ► those words as your inspiration for your

00:45:01 ◼   ► garment like the steps to that in order

00:45:05 ◼   ► to get back to fashion did that take to

00:45:07 ◼   ► connect yogurt to fashion it was

00:45:09 ◼   ► horrible I don't know why they're doing

00:45:11 ◼   ► that kind of stuff I think that that we

00:45:13 ◼   ► know why you're doing it oh yeah well we

00:45:15 ◼   ► know why but I'm saying it's such a good

00:45:17 ◼   ► show they don't really need to I feel

00:45:20 ◼   ► like they don't need to do that because

00:45:22 ◼   ► they are a very good reality show

00:45:24 ◼   ► they're not just like one of these

00:45:25 ◼   ► one-off garbage pile shows but I mean in

00:45:29 ◼   ► general I'll keep watching because I

00:45:30 ◼   ► really like seeing again it's the it's

00:45:32 ◼   ► the artistic creative results that I

00:45:37 ◼   ► like to watch I love the very final part

00:45:39 ◼   ► of this episode is when they're showing

00:45:42 ◼   ► what came down the runway versus what

00:45:45 ◼   ► they had to work with and I I find the

00:45:47 ◼   ► creative creativity and the people the

00:45:50 ◼   ► best part that's why I like Top Chef

00:45:52 ◼   ► it's their creativity and their food

00:45:54 ◼   ► that's why I like Project Runway and I

00:45:57 ◼   ► like quarters no no well I like to see a

00:46:02 ◼   ► clean house ish even though we know it's

00:46:05 ◼   ► probably not going to stay that way but

00:46:07 ◼   ► that's why I tried to like top model but

00:46:10 ◼   ► that fell through for me and that's why

00:46:13 ◼   ► I like Cake Boss because you get to see

00:46:15 ◼   ► all the cakes that they make creatively

00:46:17 ◼   ► after you know what someone ordered

00:46:19 ◼   ► versus how they come up with it and how

00:46:21 ◼   ► they build it and it's that part's I

00:46:24 ◼   ► love the result the creative result you

00:46:27 ◼   ► know in a in a reality show so now I'm

00:46:30 ◼   ► gonna turn the question that I just

00:46:31 ◼   ► asked you about Project Runway on to

00:46:33 ◼   ► both of us for Top Chef Top Chef we both

00:46:35 ◼   ► agree our number one pick right yeah

00:46:37 ◼   ► definitely so what do you

00:46:40 ◼   ► think about Top Chef if anything what do

00:46:42 ◼   ► you think is is getting worse over time

00:46:46 ◼   ► see to me I can point to definitely some

00:46:50 ◼   ► of the corporate tie-ins while it

00:46:52 ◼   ► doesn't sound like it's as bad as the

00:46:53 ◼   ► Project Runway ones some of them are

00:46:55 ◼   ► pretty painful and forced yeah yeah when

00:46:58 ◼   ► they're like let's use the Reynolds Wrap

00:47:01 ◼   ► challenge right right and you have to

00:47:04 ◼   ► it's like and let's say we have to pile

00:47:06 ◼   ► every one into this new Toyota and we're

00:47:07 ◼   ► gonna talk about how spacious it is wow

00:47:09 ◼   ► I can't believe no I hate them drive

00:47:11 ◼   ► themselves to go shopping like well but

00:47:15 ◼   ► what I mind is is when they make the

00:47:17 ◼   ► contestants talk about how nice the car

00:47:20 ◼   ► is yes it's so obviously forced and and

00:47:23 ◼   ► you know they're feeding them line so

00:47:25 ◼   ► obviously Showtime with watching them do

00:47:28 ◼   ► like the automatic parking or something

00:47:30 ◼   ► yeah like or like oh let's watch this

00:47:32 ◼   ► trunk open wow that opens so smooth like

00:47:35 ◼   ► they're wasting time it's like I want to

00:47:37 ◼   ► the show I want you to spend time on

00:47:41 ◼   ► showing me why you're like doing the

00:47:43 ◼   ► thing you're doing and how you're

00:47:44 ◼   ► creating it and what your thoughts are

00:47:46 ◼   ► you know all the good parts of the show

00:47:48 ◼   ► right it's like we're buying the show on

00:47:49 ◼   ► iTunes so it's commercial free we don't

00:47:52 ◼   ► want to see a Toyota commercial in the

00:47:54 ◼   ► middle maybe that's why they're doing

00:47:55 ◼   ► because they know so many people now are

00:47:57 ◼   ► buying these kind of shows like

00:47:58 ◼   ► commercial free and it's that's possible

00:48:01 ◼   ► honestly I doubt that many people buy

00:48:03 ◼   ► them on iTunes but that's that's just a

00:48:05 ◼   ► guess but so I do think that that Top

00:48:07 ◼   ► Chef has that problem of a lot of those

00:48:10 ◼   ► corporate sponsorships are really forced

00:48:11 ◼   ► and and and not only do they take up

00:48:14 ◼   ► time but I think some of them actually

00:48:15 ◼   ► make this show worse like like when they

00:48:17 ◼   ► mess with the challenges and then

00:48:19 ◼   ► another another big thing is when they

00:48:20 ◼   ► have gimmick judges at the challenges so

00:48:24 ◼   ► one example from from a recent season

00:48:26 ◼   ► was when they had pee-wee Herman on and

00:48:29 ◼   ► and and I like like I was a huge pee-wee

00:48:32 ◼   ► Herman fan as a kid I loved pee-wee

00:48:33 ◼   ► Herman why he's real you know well but

00:48:37 ◼   ► they didn't have Paul Reubens on they

00:48:40 ◼   ► had pee-wee Herman the character yeah

00:48:42 ◼   ► you rode a bike in and everything Paul

00:48:44 ◼   ► Reubens is like 60 so it was kind of

00:48:46 ◼   ► weird but that's right he don't have

00:48:48 ◼   ► that creepy makeup on and everything -

00:48:50 ◼   ► yeah and and so like as much as I love

00:48:53 ◼   ► people

00:48:53 ◼   ► Herman as a kid that just was weird it

00:48:56 ◼   ► didn't fit it felt like both it felt

00:48:59 ◼   ► like both Paul Reubens / pee-wee Herman

00:49:01 ◼   ► and Top Chef were selling out to each

00:49:03 ◼   ► other like they were both sellouts it

00:49:05 ◼   ► made me think less of both of them that

00:49:08 ◼   ► that happened and they'll and they'll

00:49:09 ◼   ► have you know different like you know

00:49:10 ◼   ► musicians and actors on sometimes two

00:49:13 ◼   ► and we're like well I they like green

00:49:14 ◼   ► things I really like eggs and Billy with

00:49:17 ◼   ► peewee Herman it was like what do you

00:49:19 ◼   ► make for a fictional character and then

00:49:21 ◼   ► how does a fictional character judge

00:49:23 ◼   ► things it was just weird yeah they'll

00:49:26 ◼   ► have stuff like that where it's like you

00:49:28 ◼   ► know some some of the gimmick challenges

00:49:30 ◼   ► are a little weird and and sometimes

00:49:32 ◼   ► they'll have them and this this is

00:49:35 ◼   ► arguable whether this is a problem

00:49:37 ◼   ► sometimes they'll have elimination

00:49:39 ◼   ► decisions based on really kind of wacky

00:49:42 ◼   ► challenges that you kind of think like

00:49:45 ◼   ► that was kind of unfair to eliminate

00:49:46 ◼   ► someone for that you know but that's

00:49:48 ◼   ► less of a problem that the the tie-ins

00:49:50 ◼   ► with the celebrities and the product

00:49:53 ◼   ► endorsements are are I think the biggest

00:49:54 ◼   ► challenge but for the most part you know

00:49:55 ◼   ► I think Top Chef really holds up that

00:49:59 ◼   ► the core of the show the judging seems

00:50:03 ◼   ► like it's solid it seems like you know

00:50:06 ◼   ► we've never had a serious problem with

00:50:07 ◼   ► the top chef judging as viewers like we

00:50:10 ◼   ► and we've watched every season so the

00:50:11 ◼   ► the judging is solid it seems like the

00:50:14 ◼   ► the the competition the core of it most

00:50:17 ◼   ► of it is solid and the editing and

00:50:20 ◼   ► everything still seems good it doesn't

00:50:22 ◼   ► seem like it's getting too trashy or to

00:50:23 ◼   ► into the drama or anything like that it

00:50:25 ◼   ► seems like overall it's still very solid

00:50:27 ◼   ► there's these few little cracks in the

00:50:28 ◼   ► foundation that get me a little worried

00:50:30 ◼   ► about it yeah I agree and Project Runway

00:50:32 ◼   ► is very similar that yeah

00:50:34 ◼   ► all right I think that's it hey make it

00:50:39 ◼   ► work wait I want to add a segment to our

00:50:44 ◼   ► show called I have made a huge mistake

00:50:49 ◼   ► my huge mistake is in relation to our

00:50:52 ◼   ► video game episode and thinking about it

00:50:56 ◼   ► a little bit more because we recorded

00:50:58 ◼   ► that episode kind of we were

00:51:00 ◼   ► chit-chatting on the couch as couples do

00:51:02 ◼   ► and talking about stuff and things that

00:51:04 ◼   ► we like and you know and so we decided

00:51:07 ◼   ► to jump

00:51:07 ◼   ► Mike as you know regular couples do and

00:51:10 ◼   ► record a podcast and everyone does that

00:51:12 ◼   ► for the most part I'm pretty solid with

00:51:14 ◼   ► what I've chose but I think my number

00:51:16 ◼   ► four was not well thought out I really

00:51:21 ◼   ► like you know Dead Rising I think it's a

00:51:23 ◼   ► good game but but I don't really think

00:51:26 ◼   ► it deserves my four spot and my huge

00:51:31 ◼   ► mistake I think I need to put in there I

00:51:33 ◼   ► think I need to put journey I think I

00:51:36 ◼   ► need to put journey on Syracuse or this

00:51:39 ◼   ► is not Syracuse of pressure I made this

00:51:42 ◼   ► decision after no before before I made

00:51:47 ◼   ► this decision before he was bugging me

00:51:50 ◼   ► on slack okay

00:51:51 ◼   ► but the reason I decided to put journey

00:51:53 ◼   ► on is because I played it again would be

00:51:55 ◼   ► it was my third time now playing journey

00:51:57 ◼   ► and normally I don't really care for

00:52:01 ◼   ► games that have kind of a Japanese

00:52:04 ◼   ► animation tone to it I just that art

00:52:09 ◼   ► style isn't appealing to me and so I

00:52:11 ◼   ► can't usually get very into games like

00:52:13 ◼   ► that this game does have a little bit of

00:52:16 ◼   ► that especially you know with the carpet

00:52:19 ◼   ► dogs dragony creatures that are in this

00:52:23 ◼   ► game but it is way more stylized than

00:52:27 ◼   ► that and playing through it again and

00:52:30 ◼   ► the magic of it I think I really do need

00:52:32 ◼   ► to have it as my top four my number 4

00:52:35 ◼   ► slot because it's so different I was

00:52:37 ◼   ► writing it off because I was thinking it

00:52:39 ◼   ► wasn't as joyful replaying it as I

00:52:43 ◼   ► thought but since we recorded I had to

00:52:46 ◼   ► replate it again and it really deserves

00:52:48 ◼   ► a spot because it is unlike any other

00:52:50 ◼   ► game and its really very it's a very

00:52:54 ◼   ► special game and it deserves at least

00:52:56 ◼   ► number four so I put that out there and

00:53:00 ◼   ► I'm not ever there has been so much talk

00:53:01 ◼   ► about journey if you want to know more

00:53:03 ◼   ► about journey the incomparable has

00:53:05 ◼   ► talked about journey we John siracusa

00:53:09 ◼   ► and I talked about journey on ATP one of

00:53:11 ◼   ► the episodes we'll put that in the show

00:53:13 ◼   ► notes along with the incomparable

00:53:14 ◼   ► episode and Mike on Mike and Federico

00:53:21 ◼   ► talked about Israel on virtual yes so

00:53:23 ◼   ► there's been lots of journey talk and

00:53:25 ◼   ► you know a little bit of hearing your

00:53:27 ◼   ► friends talk about journey kind of makes

00:53:30 ◼   ► you love it a little bit more because as

00:53:32 ◼   ► you hear people getting excited about

00:53:34 ◼   ► playing it for the first time you get

00:53:36 ◼   ► really it it because you want to know

00:53:40 ◼   ► about someone else's first time and then

00:53:42 ◼   ► that's exciting and I think that that

00:53:45 ◼   ► aspect of it the camaraderie the joy the

00:53:49 ◼   ► the delight the the magic that that

00:53:52 ◼   ► journey has really elevates it up beyond

00:53:56 ◼   ► what I would I originally you know one

00:53:59 ◼   ► off thinking about I was thinking too

00:54:02 ◼   ► much about the fun and the instant

00:54:05 ◼   ► thrill and the excitement and the

00:54:08 ◼   ► adrenaline of a lot of the other games

00:54:10 ◼   ► that I've that I've chose and I wasn't

00:54:13 ◼   ► thinking about the small independent

00:54:14 ◼   ► games that I have played and so I think

00:54:16 ◼   ► journey journey absolutely deserves a

00:54:19 ◼   ► spot so I'm sorry journey I made a huge

00:54:21 ◼   ► mistake but I hope I'm making it up for

00:54:23 ◼   ► you now can I stop now yeah so you want

00:54:31 ◼   ► to go watch something stupid