Top Four

00:00:00 ◼   ► okay dogs in silent mode dog is silenced

00:00:03 ◼   ► well I should say stealth mode okay

00:00:06 ◼   ► let's uh let's do this thing

00:00:08 ◼   ► you know today's topic I picked board

00:00:12 ◼   ► games no we love playing board games yet

00:00:16 ◼   ► we are both big fans and we have played

00:00:18 ◼   ► many of the geeky board games that have

00:00:20 ◼   ► mostly originated from Germany at least

00:00:23 ◼   ► at least a while ago and we always try

00:00:25 ◼   ► to get people to play board games with

00:00:26 ◼   ► us but sometimes you never know what

00:00:28 ◼   ► kind of crowd you're with if they want

00:00:30 ◼   ► to play board games or not so we know

00:00:32 ◼   ► not to ask Merlin yes there's certain

00:00:34 ◼   ► people you know not to ask not like

00:00:36 ◼   ► Merlin's been over our house at all ever

00:00:39 ◼   ► Oh million times you know how much you

00:00:41 ◼   ► love to travel unnecessarily yeah anyway

00:00:45 ◼   ► so yeah I have a short list I bet you

00:00:49 ◼   ► have nothing prepared because there's

00:00:51 ◼   ► nothing in your lap right now I'm

00:00:52 ◼   ► looking at you and you are devoid of any

00:00:55 ◼   ► kind of information I have a list oh you

00:00:58 ◼   ► picked up your iPhone my god I do have a

00:01:00 ◼   ► list it is not though strictly ordered

00:01:03 ◼   ► and it is only six things long oh that's

00:01:07 ◼   ► pretty short I have a lot yeah cuz I

00:01:10 ◼   ► went into the game closet and just wrote

00:01:12 ◼   ► down all the games oh that's a good move

00:01:13 ◼   ► I should have done that do you want my

00:01:15 ◼   ► shortlist first so maybe you can add

00:01:16 ◼   ► some things yeah let's try that okay TIF

00:01:19 ◼   ► shortlist

00:01:19 ◼   ► we have Settlers of Catan we have Puerto

00:01:22 ◼   ► Rico Scrabble Agricola power grid power

00:01:26 ◼   ► grid factory manager Mille Bornes corkle

00:01:28 ◼   ► blackest Ticket to Ride balderdash the

00:01:31 ◼   ► construction game pictionary monopoly

00:01:33 ◼   ► clue and Bananagrams okay those are the

00:01:37 ◼   ► games I have on okay my short list in no

00:01:40 ◼   ► particular order my order was meant to

00:01:43 ◼   ► deceive I believe everything on my list

00:01:46 ◼   ► is on your list that's no surprise we

00:01:49 ◼   ► play games together so yeah so I want so

00:01:53 ◼   ► first of all let me disclaim upfront

00:01:54 ◼   ► there are certain games like Settlers of

00:01:57 ◼   ► Catan or Agricola Agricola there are

00:02:01 ◼   ► certain games like this where we are

00:02:02 ◼   ► probably not pronouncing the names

00:02:03 ◼   ► correctly

00:02:03 ◼   ► Agricola that sounds pretty good I

00:02:06 ◼   ► thought it was Agricole of it I don't

00:02:07 ◼   ► know Agricola I don't know it's like

00:02:10 ◼   ► well it's agriculture agriculture I

00:02:12 ◼   ► don't know right

00:02:13 ◼   ► so it sounds like Agricola yeah kula

00:02:18 ◼   ► however you pronounce that there's

00:02:19 ◼   ► somebody screaming while listening to

00:02:21 ◼   ► this right now that they know the

00:02:22 ◼   ► correct the right answer and we are

00:02:23 ◼   ► butchering it and they were just

00:02:24 ◼   ► screaming do you think we should never

00:02:25 ◼   ► had a chatroom show maybe maybe if the

00:02:29 ◼   ► listeners demanded enough there because

00:02:31 ◼   ► they're demanding all ten yeah they were

00:02:33 ◼   ► really ten people in there it would be

00:02:34 ◼   ► it would be not a lot of people

00:02:36 ◼   ► so especially because we record so

00:02:38 ◼   ► erratically whenever we can yeah we

00:02:40 ◼   ► would give people like thirty seconds

00:02:42 ◼   ► notice oh we're recording right now

00:02:46 ◼   ► alright so do you want to talk about

00:02:48 ◼   ► maybe some of the games in your list

00:02:49 ◼   ► that didn't make your top four before we

00:02:51 ◼   ► go into the top four um well I have a

00:02:53 ◼   ► really big list so a lot of the games

00:02:54 ◼   ► didn't make it and I'm pretty sure

00:02:56 ◼   ► probably some of them didn't make it for

00:02:58 ◼   ► the same reason that yours didn't make

00:02:59 ◼   ► it because I know you don't like games

00:03:02 ◼   ► with a lot of chance correct and that

00:03:05 ◼   ► drives you crazy when there's too much

00:03:07 ◼   ► chance and you feel like that nothing

00:03:09 ◼   ► you do will help you win or lose so you

00:03:12 ◼   ► want to feel in control of your gameplay

00:03:15 ◼   ► and the possibility of winning if every

00:03:17 ◼   ► game has a small amount of chance but

00:03:19 ◼   ► you're more happy with games with the

00:03:21 ◼   ► least amount of chance right in fact so

00:03:24 ◼   ► I mean I could I because I haven't even

00:03:26 ◼   ► picked my number my number one yet I'll

00:03:27 ◼   ► talk about the first one I put on my

00:03:28 ◼   ► list which is Puerto Rico it's the very

00:03:31 ◼   ► first one I thought of we haven't played

00:03:32 ◼   ► that one in so long I have it I don't

00:03:34 ◼   ► have it on my top 4 list because we

00:03:36 ◼   ► haven't played it in so long I don't

00:03:38 ◼   ► know and I feel like now that I know

00:03:39 ◼   ► spoiler if you buy your own boat you win

00:03:42 ◼   ► every time well not not every time I

00:03:44 ◼   ► approach win every time when I when you

00:03:46 ◼   ► get to buy your own boat I think well so

00:03:48 ◼   ► I've played a lot more than you except

00:03:50 ◼   ► played on the iPad and I've played it

00:03:52 ◼   ► more recently just because of that I pad

00:03:54 ◼   ► ones boring oh I like it anyway so and

00:03:57 ◼   ► one thing that very few of these like

00:03:59 ◼   ► awesome board games actually have good

00:04:01 ◼   ► iPad or computer versions and so it's a

00:04:04 ◼   ► pretty rare luxury when you find one and

00:04:06 ◼   ► Puerto Rico and Agricola Agricola

00:04:09 ◼   ► however it is they both have good iPad

00:04:11 ◼   ► versions neither of them are great but

00:04:14 ◼   ► both are good enough that if you enjoy

00:04:15 ◼   ► the game you will enjoy the iPad

00:04:17 ◼   ► versions anyway so I like Puerto Rico

00:04:20 ◼   ► because is what you just said that that

00:04:22 ◼   ► it doesn't have almost any luck like the

00:04:25 ◼   ► only random element in the game

00:04:27 ◼   ► is you know who you choose to go first

00:04:30 ◼   ► and and then the order in which the the

00:04:33 ◼   ► tiles come up for the the plantation

00:04:35 ◼   ► choice like when you get those tiles are

00:04:38 ◼   ► random that as far as I can't remember

00:04:40 ◼   ► that's the only random element in the

00:04:41 ◼   ► game and so almost everything you do is

00:04:45 ◼   ► a choice

00:04:47 ◼   ► you know you have made this decision it

00:04:48 ◼   ► will affect you like it is yours to win

00:04:51 ◼   ► or lose and besides that it is it you're

00:04:55 ◼   ► about to buy or not exactly it is you're

00:04:57 ◼   ► about to buy or not or you can buy all

00:04:59 ◼   ► the boats and blocked if out of them but

00:05:01 ◼   ► everyone knows I'm going to be buying

00:05:03 ◼   ► the boat get out of my way what is it

00:05:06 ◼   ► the wharf is the item that's it's one of

00:05:08 ◼   ► like the nine or the eight yeah

00:05:10 ◼   ► something like that but I always just go

00:05:12 ◼   ► for the boat and then there's one other

00:05:13 ◼   ► one too that if you get with the boat

00:05:15 ◼   ► the harbor I believe is so there's like

00:05:17 ◼   ► it's the one where you get one bonus

00:05:19 ◼   ► victory point for everything you ship

00:05:20 ◼   ► yes if you have those two together

00:05:22 ◼   ► because you're shipping on your own boat

00:05:24 ◼   ► yet is a clincher you are always gonna

00:05:26 ◼   ► win yeah it would you'd have to be very

00:05:28 ◼   ► bad at the game to have both of those

00:05:30 ◼   ► things and not win and I think see I

00:05:31 ◼   ► can't put it on my top four because now

00:05:33 ◼   ► that I figured that out as a player I

00:05:35 ◼   ► can't I know that that's the strategy to

00:05:37 ◼   ► win and I know if it doesn't happen for

00:05:39 ◼   ► me in the game I'm not going to win so I

00:05:42 ◼   ► kind of like it the magic is lost on me

00:05:45 ◼   ► well see to me that see what what makes

00:05:47 ◼   ► this game great is that everything you

00:05:50 ◼   ► do affects everyone else as well like

00:05:52 ◼   ► like you know in a game you take turns

00:05:54 ◼   ► and and like there's a certain number of

00:05:56 ◼   ► things you can pick from and you when it

00:05:59 ◼   ► comes to your turn you pick the thing

00:06:00 ◼   ► you want to do that round and you as the

00:06:03 ◼   ► person who picked it gets a small

00:06:04 ◼   ► advantage of that but every but whatever

00:06:07 ◼   ► you picked everyone else gets gets most

00:06:09 ◼   ► of that same benefit so if you pick for

00:06:11 ◼   ► instance the the mayor rate which which

00:06:13 ◼   ► lets you add more people to your

00:06:15 ◼   ► plantation then you know everyone else

00:06:18 ◼   ► gets to add people of their plantations

00:06:20 ◼   ► also you just get one more than they do

00:06:22 ◼   ► so it's a game where you have to very

00:06:24 ◼   ► much consider not only what is best for

00:06:27 ◼   ► you when it's your turn trying to pick

00:06:29 ◼   ► what to do but you got to make sure that

00:06:30 ◼   ► you're not going to really super

00:06:31 ◼   ► strongly benefit someone else you know

00:06:34 ◼   ► it to actually agree that it might hurt

00:06:37 ◼   ► you but at the same time if you don't

00:06:38 ◼   ► pick that thing then they probably will

00:06:40 ◼   ► when it come to comes around to them

00:06:41 ◼   ► so it's it's as weird tragedy that you

00:06:43 ◼   ► have to think about but I disagree with

00:06:45 ◼   ► you about about your hardware plus Wharf

00:06:47 ◼   ► thing in that that isn't just the one

00:06:49 ◼   ► strategy to win that is that is a

00:06:51 ◼   ► strategy that can win if if other people

00:06:55 ◼   ► are doing certain other things are not

00:06:56 ◼   ► doing them but the great thing about

00:06:58 ◼   ► this game is that you can't do the same

00:07:00 ◼   ► thing every game because whether that

00:07:02 ◼   ► can win will depend on what everyone

00:07:04 ◼   ► else is doing and if if so if the game

00:07:07 ◼   ► conditions are such like for example the

00:07:09 ◼   ► harbour and Wharf combo takes a long

00:07:11 ◼   ► time to get because those are two very

00:07:12 ◼   ► expensive items and money is pretty

00:07:14 ◼   ► scarce in this game so at least early on

00:07:17 ◼   ► so those are very hard to get for that

00:07:19 ◼   ► to work you have to you have to be in a

00:07:22 ◼   ► game where it's gonna it's gonna go on

00:07:25 ◼   ► for a while it's gonna take a lot of

00:07:26 ◼   ► turns and if if someone else is racing

00:07:30 ◼   ► towards one of the other conditions that

00:07:32 ◼   ► can end the game like filling up their

00:07:34 ◼   ► space with cheap buildings or filling up

00:07:36 ◼   ► their plantation you know with or

00:07:38 ◼   ► running out of people I forget some of

00:07:39 ◼   ► the other ones running out of victory

00:07:41 ◼   ► points in other ways like that strategy

00:07:43 ◼   ► only works if you have a long time with

00:07:45 ◼   ► those things to ship tons of goods with

00:07:48 ◼   ► them see now I think that this is where

00:07:49 ◼   ► you're getting all bogged down your

00:07:51 ◼   ► stupid iPad game because we play when we

00:07:54 ◼   ► play with people it's often someone who

00:07:56 ◼   ► hasn't played it as much as us and it is

00:07:59 ◼   ► or the or they are people who just

00:08:02 ◼   ► aren't as from like or they're just

00:08:04 ◼   ► totally new to the game right so they

00:08:06 ◼   ► either are less skilled than us or

00:08:09 ◼   ► totally new I don't think we've ever

00:08:11 ◼   ► played with someone who is at our skill

00:08:13 ◼   ► level of the game because we just don't

00:08:15 ◼   ► run into gaming nerds that cook that

00:08:18 ◼   ► often when we feel like hey let's play

00:08:21 ◼   ► so important go so whenever we're

00:08:24 ◼   ► playing live and in person no one else

00:08:26 ◼   ► has aggressive strategies so I get bored

00:08:29 ◼   ► playing it because I feel like I can

00:08:31 ◼   ► just slaughter everybody you should play

00:08:33 ◼   ► the iPad game it doesn't sound fun I

00:08:36 ◼   ► like anyway so Puerto Rico is it might

00:08:40 ◼   ► be my number one they thought it's close

00:08:42 ◼   ► and and I'm not alone in this decision

00:08:44 ◼   ► BoardGameGeek calm which is I think one

00:08:47 ◼   ► of the biggest if not the biggest

00:08:48 ◼   ► authorities in the geeky board game

00:08:50 ◼   ► world I already have to put a link in

00:08:52 ◼   ► our show notes you

00:08:53 ◼   ► BoardGameGeek maintains this like top

00:08:55 ◼   ► ranking list of like the top ranked

00:08:57 ◼   ► board games you know every you know

00:08:59 ◼   ► whatever all time every year whatever it

00:09:01 ◼   ► is and Puerto Rico was number one on

00:09:04 ◼   ► that list for a very long time four

00:09:06 ◼   ► years I think and I think it's still I

00:09:08 ◼   ► don't think it's number one anymore but

00:09:09 ◼   ► but I think it is still within the top

00:09:11 ◼   ► of you you know I I think all of my top

00:09:15 ◼   ► games are gonna be games that I haven't

00:09:17 ◼   ► really played much so I'm not very good

00:09:19 ◼   ► at yet because I find it enjoyable when

00:09:23 ◼   ► I can actually play the game and write

00:09:26 ◼   ► and enjoy the strategy of it without

00:09:29 ◼   ► knowing exactly how to win and play it

00:09:31 ◼   ► so yeah I'm totally bored of Puerto Rico

00:09:34 ◼   ► it's over for me

00:09:35 ◼   ► so what do want to talk about next I

00:09:38 ◼   ► think we should talk well I don't know

00:09:41 ◼   ► what what's yon you're shorty short list

00:09:43 ◼   ► so the next one I have on my list is

00:09:45 ◼   ► Agricola yeah that's my number one

00:09:48 ◼   ► really that's so it right now I have it

00:09:50 ◼   ► as number two below Puerto Rico but that

00:09:52 ◼   ► that's soft I could change that of

00:09:53 ◼   ► course Agricola's don't leave my number

00:09:55 ◼   ► one so why do you like it so much

00:09:58 ◼   ► I like it because you can stack all of

00:10:00 ◼   ► the animals so you like it because I

00:10:04 ◼   ► know as you're waiting for other people

00:10:07 ◼   ► to take their turns too slowly you can

00:10:09 ◼   ► have something to fidget with that's

00:10:10 ◼   ► pretty cool yeah they have very good

00:10:12 ◼   ► stackable pieces I love like making a

00:10:13 ◼   ► little cow towers good so yeah I like a

00:10:18 ◼   ► good fidget piece and I like when

00:10:20 ◼   ► they're stackable so that's a major plus

00:10:23 ◼   ► on why it moved up to number one slot

00:10:25 ◼   ► also it's fairly complicated I think

00:10:27 ◼   ► there's a lot of elements to the game

00:10:28 ◼   ► that even if you play it a lot you don't

00:10:31 ◼   ► get a chance to play every part of the

00:10:33 ◼   ► game in one round in one sitting of the

00:10:37 ◼   ► game so there was like a whole bunch of

00:10:38 ◼   ► things that you didn't get a chance to

00:10:39 ◼   ► do whether it's like some of the

00:10:41 ◼   ► occupation cards or building certain

00:10:44 ◼   ► types of cooking apparatus --is well

00:10:48 ◼   ► yeah you know you can that helped the

00:10:50 ◼   ► improvements yeah because I'm like once

00:10:53 ◼   ► the game starts going it starts off slow

00:10:54 ◼   ► but then it it just it rolls so quickly

00:10:57 ◼   ► into the end and everyone's like whoa I

00:10:59 ◼   ► just got a hang of this game and now

00:11:01 ◼   ► it's over and so you want to play again

00:11:03 ◼   ► and we've often played two rounds in

00:11:06 ◼   ► one night of that of that game because

00:11:08 ◼   ► once you get the hang of it and you

00:11:10 ◼   ► remember and you know because it goes a

00:11:12 ◼   ► long time between playing them when you

00:11:13 ◼   ► play it with people that you you just

00:11:16 ◼   ► want to play it again to see where how

00:11:18 ◼   ► far you can go and how far you can take

00:11:19 ◼   ► it and I still don't feel like I've

00:11:21 ◼   ► maxed out this game there still parts of

00:11:23 ◼   ► it that I find really intriguing and I

00:11:26 ◼   ► find yeah I don't always win and you

00:11:29 ◼   ► don't always win and you know that it's

00:11:31 ◼   ► it's still very random on who wins but

00:11:35 ◼   ► yet the luck factor is not that like the

00:11:38 ◼   ► chance the chance luck factor isn't very

00:11:40 ◼   ► great in this game either it's I think

00:11:42 ◼   ► it's a lot more skill yeah I'm trying to

00:11:44 ◼   ► think so B so I guess the most random

00:11:46 ◼   ► element in this game is the cards that

00:11:48 ◼   ► you're dealt the occupation and minor

00:11:49 ◼   ► improvement cards right but then you

00:11:50 ◼   ► kind of have a chance to get more and

00:11:53 ◼   ► you can kind of like use them or not use

00:11:55 ◼   ► them you don't have to focus on like the

00:11:57 ◼   ► randomness that you get it's more of

00:11:59 ◼   ► your deciding how you're filling up your

00:12:01 ◼   ► board and where you're focusing your

00:12:03 ◼   ► attention and if you're improving your

00:12:04 ◼   ► house if you're making a lot of grain if

00:12:07 ◼   ► you're making a lot of cooking a lot of

00:12:09 ◼   ► meat like you know so it's basically in

00:12:11 ◼   ► the game you have to the goal of the

00:12:12 ◼   ► game is to feed your family right yeah

00:12:16 ◼   ► and then to build like a big farm and

00:12:18 ◼   ► build a big farm and then make your

00:12:20 ◼   ► family larger and then so therefore you

00:12:21 ◼   ► can do more things if your family is

00:12:23 ◼   ► larger because you have more people in

00:12:25 ◼   ► order to accomplish more tasks and then

00:12:29 ◼   ► at the end of the game you have rounds

00:12:31 ◼   ► so the rounds go pretty regularly

00:12:33 ◼   ► there's nothing you can do to stop or

00:12:35 ◼   ► halt around from approaching you just

00:12:38 ◼   ► have to make sure you can feed your

00:12:39 ◼   ► family at the end of each round and

00:12:42 ◼   ► unless you then you get a penalty if you

00:12:45 ◼   ► can't then at the end of the game you

00:12:47 ◼   ► kind of tally up what you have and you

00:12:49 ◼   ► gain points from that and then the

00:12:50 ◼   ► winner it's the person with the most

00:12:51 ◼   ► points and there's also elements in the

00:12:54 ◼   ► game that will subtract points from your

00:12:56 ◼   ► total score so if you it it's also that

00:12:59 ◼   ► so it's all contingent on your own

00:13:01 ◼   ► gameplay you know there are other people

00:13:04 ◼   ► playing but you're kind of only playing

00:13:06 ◼   ► against them in the end right and and

00:13:08 ◼   ► it'll start competing for certain

00:13:10 ◼   ► resources but it's not as aggressive as

00:13:14 ◼   ► I'm gonna take this resource from you

00:13:16 ◼   ► it's more of this might be running out

00:13:18 ◼   ► or there's only one

00:13:19 ◼   ► so if you buy that first then you have

00:13:22 ◼   ► to buy the more expensive oven-like but

00:13:24 ◼   ► you know no one's gonna get locked out

00:13:25 ◼   ► of things completely well that's a big

00:13:28 ◼   ► game I don't know because there's only

00:13:29 ◼   ► two ovens if you play with more than two

00:13:31 ◼   ► but there's more there's more ways to

00:13:33 ◼   ► cook this you can't like you won't get

00:13:35 ◼   ► locked out of being able to you know

00:13:36 ◼   ► cook your own you know or or you can you

00:13:38 ◼   ► can just avoid cooking your animals and

00:13:40 ◼   ► get food in other ways right but at the

00:13:42 ◼   ► same time if you were you know gaining

00:13:44 ◼   ► money to buy your oven then that and

00:13:47 ◼   ► then the other person who wasn't with

00:13:49 ◼   ► gaining something else you know what I

00:13:51 ◼   ► mean so there's always a give-and-take

00:13:52 ◼   ► of what someone is working on I mean

00:13:54 ◼   ► plus they should have spotted you

00:13:55 ◼   ► stacking up all your clay exactly yeah

00:13:58 ◼   ► no I mean and that that game like you

00:13:59 ◼   ► mentioned the scoring like such certain

00:14:01 ◼   ► things will subtract once what I like

00:14:02 ◼   ► about it is you know it's your building

00:14:03 ◼   ► this farm and it's like you know you

00:14:05 ◼   ► have a house with a certain number of

00:14:06 ◼   ► people in it that you have to feed and

00:14:08 ◼   ► then you have you have cattle and you

00:14:10 ◼   ► have sheep you have all the animals you

00:14:12 ◼   ► have the pastures and they really get

00:14:13 ◼   ► this deck yeah and and you have like

00:14:17 ◼   ► these you have different crops you can

00:14:20 ◼   ► plant vegetables and and and grain to to

00:14:23 ◼   ► grow that and any of these things that

00:14:25 ◼   ► you don't do let's say you get to the

00:14:27 ◼   ► end of the game and you have no cows you

00:14:29 ◼   ► actually lose points for things that you

00:14:31 ◼   ► don't do so you really have to diversify

00:14:33 ◼   ► yeah like it it kind of forces you like

00:14:35 ◼   ► you you basically can't win if you like

00:14:37 ◼   ► hunker down and only do one strategy

00:14:39 ◼   ► because it's also there's a maximum

00:14:40 ◼   ► number of points you can earn from any

00:14:42 ◼   ► one category so it kind of forces you to

00:14:44 ◼   ► to really like try to do everything and

00:14:47 ◼   ► I think it is a little more competitive

00:14:49 ◼   ► than than what you just how you just a

00:14:51 ◼   ► curette described because every round

00:14:53 ◼   ► there's like certain spots on the board

00:14:55 ◼   ► that you that you can choose what to

00:14:57 ◼   ► take and whatever you take you only you

00:14:59 ◼   ► get that no one else gets that's true

00:15:00 ◼   ► that's where it's different from Puerto

00:15:01 ◼   ► Rico we're not like a round where it's

00:15:03 ◼   ► like okay you do you plate you decide to

00:15:05 ◼   ► play this way and then everyone else

00:15:07 ◼   ► gets to do it too and you get a bonus no

00:15:08 ◼   ► this is like you take the spot and

00:15:10 ◼   ► you're the only one that can so a field

00:15:13 ◼   ► or something for that entire round then

00:15:15 ◼   ► and and so and you know if you have a

00:15:17 ◼   ► bigger family which is a risk because

00:15:19 ◼   ► you have to feed them every round but if

00:15:20 ◼   ► you have a bigger family then you can

00:15:22 ◼   ► take more spots and so like there's the

00:15:24 ◼   ► there it's this game of really

00:15:25 ◼   ► calculated risk of like how long can I

00:15:29 ◼   ► wait before feeding time comes I don't

00:15:31 ◼   ► have enough food but if I pee it you

00:15:33 ◼   ► know if

00:15:33 ◼   ► by if I instead of getting food right

00:15:35 ◼   ► now if I take the risk that I'll be able

00:15:36 ◼   ► to find some later and right now I go

00:15:38 ◼   ► for that other cool thing on the board

00:15:40 ◼   ► cause no one's taken it yet you know

00:15:41 ◼   ► there's all these calculated risks you

00:15:43 ◼   ► have to you have to figure during that

00:15:45 ◼   ► game and and the bolder and riskier you

00:15:47 ◼   ► are generally the better you will do

00:15:48 ◼   ► like you know spanning your family

00:15:50 ◼   ► earlier so you can you can do more

00:15:51 ◼   ► things per turn but then you have to

00:15:53 ◼   ► feed those people so it is actually I

00:15:55 ◼   ► think pretty competitive I like it a lot

00:15:57 ◼   ► it is it if I would have played it more

00:16:00 ◼   ► than I have it might have become my

00:16:03 ◼   ► number one but because I played Puerto

00:16:04 ◼   ► Rico so much both in person and on the

00:16:06 ◼   ► iPad right now Puerto Rico is my number

00:16:08 ◼   ► one but I think Agricola is a solid

00:16:09 ◼   ► number two for me and it might

00:16:10 ◼   ► eventually become number one that's so

00:16:12 ◼   ► funny that your criteria for number one

00:16:13 ◼   ► is playing more and mine is playing

00:16:16 ◼   ► exactly

00:16:18 ◼   ► no it's Agricole is a great game you

00:16:20 ◼   ► know and and we haven't I mean as you

00:16:22 ◼   ► mentioned earlier we've barely scratched

00:16:23 ◼   ► the surface because there's this whole

00:16:25 ◼   ► this whole like different deck of cards

00:16:27 ◼   ► that you can that you can blend in and

00:16:29 ◼   ► we have used none of those we've only

00:16:31 ◼   ► there's like a super simple family mode

00:16:34 ◼   ► we don't play that we play that the

00:16:35 ◼   ► standard mode so it's like it's not the

00:16:37 ◼   ► super simplified one but it's the

00:16:39 ◼   ► regular set of cards with no extra cards

00:16:41 ◼   ► and that's all we've played so far and

00:16:44 ◼   ► even that like one one thing that that

00:16:47 ◼   ► Agricola has which I think Puerto Rico

00:16:48 ◼   ► does too but I think I recall is the

00:16:49 ◼   ► most aggressive on this front that the

00:16:52 ◼   ► game all of a sudden just ends like it's

00:16:58 ◼   ► over it's like I was planning I was

00:17:04 ◼   ► building this thing up and I was gonna

00:17:06 ◼   ► do it and then yeah like it's like these

00:17:08 ◼   ► awesome German games like a style of

00:17:10 ◼   ► this is like is it right as everything

00:17:12 ◼   ► starts to get going the game's over so

00:17:14 ◼   ► your biggest challenge really is is just

00:17:17 ◼   ► number of turns time it's like it's how

00:17:19 ◼   ► much you can get done before the game

00:17:21 ◼   ► ends and the game always ends before you

00:17:24 ◼   ► want it to like there's never enough

00:17:26 ◼   ► time and that I think that that alone

00:17:29 ◼   ► just doing it that way I think is a cool

00:17:30 ◼   ► way to do it because it's not like and

00:17:32 ◼   ► I'll get to things like monopoly in a

00:17:33 ◼   ► bit it's not like traditional style

00:17:36 ◼   ► board games where they just go on

00:17:37 ◼   ► seemingly forever

00:17:39 ◼   ► please monopoly people don't worry I got

00:17:40 ◼   ► your covered there but you know it it's

00:17:42 ◼   ► not like that these games they end

00:17:44 ◼   ► before you even want them to so it's

00:17:46 ◼   ► really hard to get boy

00:17:47 ◼   ► while playing these games yeah exactly

00:17:48 ◼   ► you don't get bored on these board games

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00:21:14 ◼   ► so we have Puerto Rico we have Agricola

00:21:16 ◼   ► and also I want I do want to mention

00:21:17 ◼   ► again Agricola has a great iPad version

00:21:19 ◼   ► the only thing is that it it try it

00:21:23 ◼   ► mimics too closely the board like Puerto

00:21:26 ◼   ► Rico you just in order to fit everything

00:21:28 ◼   ► on screen it has to like real rings away

00:21:31 ◼   ► certain things look and kind of compress

00:21:32 ◼   ► it down to its essence Agricola doesn't

00:21:35 ◼   ► do that it just like pans around this

00:21:36 ◼   ► giant so it's a little clumsy yeah if

00:21:40 ◼   ► you play Agricola you really need like a

00:21:42 ◼   ► pretty big table yeah because there

00:21:44 ◼   ► everyone has an individual board and

00:21:46 ◼   ► then there's like all these Center

00:21:47 ◼   ► boards and all these cards and yeah it's

00:21:49 ◼   ► it's pretty spread out you almost need

00:21:51 ◼   ► to play it on the floor yeah so anyway

00:21:55 ◼   ► moving on I wanted to next talk about

00:21:58 ◼   ► power grid the power grid didn't make my

00:22:02 ◼   ► list because I played it too much I'm

00:22:04 ◼   ► thinking good so one really good game

00:22:07 ◼   ► think of it one of the problems with

00:22:10 ◼   ► power grid is that our most common board

00:22:13 ◼   ► game player friends

00:22:14 ◼   ► our tips parents and it is among all the

00:22:18 ◼   ► games that we seem to play like this

00:22:19 ◼   ► they they've they've played almost all

00:22:21 ◼   ► of them and they are like they're not

00:22:23 ◼   ► geeks and so what's interesting is like

00:22:25 ◼   ► teaching them these games because some

00:22:27 ◼   ► of these games I think like oh this is

00:22:29 ◼   ► gonna be way too geeky for them they're

00:22:31 ◼   ► not gonna want to sit through all these

00:22:32 ◼   ► rules and everything and I'm wrong about

00:22:35 ◼   ► that every single time yeah like they

00:22:37 ◼   ► always get into it they always like it

00:22:39 ◼   ► even games like Agricola or Puerto Rico

00:22:41 ◼   ► that have a lot of rules and it's very

00:22:43 ◼   ► complex and takes a long time to set up

00:22:44 ◼   ► they first look at it and they're like

00:22:46 ◼   ► oh God

00:22:46 ◼   ► but then as soon as like as soon as we

00:22:48 ◼   ► explain it all and we start playing then

00:22:51 ◼   ► everyone's into it and there has never

00:22:53 ◼   ► once been a game where where anyone that

00:22:56 ◼   ► we've introduced it to whether it's them

00:22:57 ◼   ► are like you know my sister or brother

00:22:59 ◼   ► in law or anybody else like or you know

00:23:01 ◼   ► tips brother like we've introduced games

00:23:02 ◼   ► to lots of family members who are not

00:23:03 ◼   ► normally geeks you and Ryan my brother's

00:23:07 ◼   ► name is Ryan when you guys played power

00:23:10 ◼   ► grid like after everyone else did like

00:23:12 ◼   ► everyone else is kind of done like we

00:23:14 ◼   ► all probably around and you wanted to

00:23:16 ◼   ► play another round together and you play

00:23:17 ◼   ► like this lightning-fast round and that

00:23:19 ◼   ► was fantastic yeah guys yeah so anyways

00:23:22 ◼   ► a fun game these games are are if you

00:23:25 ◼   ► have been withholding these games from

00:23:27 ◼   ► like non geek members of your family or

00:23:29 ◼   ► friends because you don't think they'll

00:23:30 ◼   ► get it give them give them credit give

00:23:32 ◼   ► them a try because we have had only

00:23:34 ◼   ► fantastic luck introducing non geeks to

00:23:36 ◼   ► all these geeky games but we also kind

00:23:38 ◼   ► of hostage situation put them into

00:23:41 ◼   ► playing these games because we refuse to

00:23:42 ◼   ► watch movies with them because our taste

00:23:43 ◼   ► in movies are so different so it's

00:23:46 ◼   ► either like well if you want to spend

00:23:47 ◼   ► time with us at night we're gonna have

00:23:49 ◼   ► to play a board game that's there it in

00:23:52 ◼   ► our defense board games are way better

00:23:53 ◼   ► than watching movies with your parents

00:23:54 ◼   ► oh well because at least you get to talk

00:23:56 ◼   ► during board games and see each other

00:23:57 ◼   ► and during movies everyone just falls

00:23:59 ◼   ► asleep

00:23:59 ◼   ► exactly it's so late and everyone's

00:24:01 ◼   ► tired yeah so power grid so yeah as you

00:24:04 ◼   ► mentioned this this was this is the most

00:24:06 ◼   ► commonly picked game by your parents it

00:24:08 ◼   ► is their favorite it seems

00:24:10 ◼   ► and so you are sick of it I am not yet

00:24:12 ◼   ► your brother-in-law's 11th plains game

00:24:14 ◼   ► that's true yeah I have not yet sick of

00:24:16 ◼   ► power grid and part of that is because I

00:24:18 ◼   ► generally don't get sick of things I can

00:24:20 ◼   ► have the same thing and do the same

00:24:20 ◼   ► thing every day and be very happy really

00:24:22 ◼   ► you yeah surprising and but but part of

00:24:26 ◼   ► that also is is

00:24:28 ◼   ► I really do like it I don't think it is

00:24:30 ◼   ► I don't think it's number one I would

00:24:33 ◼   ► never put it as number one but it is a

00:24:36 ◼   ► really good game all around and I think

00:24:39 ◼   ► it is it might be among all the games

00:24:41 ◼   ► that we have introduced people to I

00:24:43 ◼   ► think it is one of the more accessible

00:24:45 ◼   ► ones and I think it's definitely we can

00:24:47 ◼   ► definitely say that it is like the

00:24:50 ◼   ► committee favorite it the crowd favorite

00:24:52 ◼   ► of like if you survey everyone like what

00:24:54 ◼   ► do you want to play tonight we have all

00:24:55 ◼   ► the different choices you know I'll want

00:24:57 ◼   ► to play something like power grid or

00:24:58 ◼   ► like Puerto Rico Riker Cola that's Mike

00:25:00 ◼   ► more complex or more crazy everyone

00:25:03 ◼   ► always agrees on power grid it's like

00:25:06 ◼   ► the cheese yes we can all agree on power

00:25:08 ◼   ► great pretty much that's how it happens

00:25:10 ◼   ► I mean the power grid also has like that

00:25:12 ◼   ► element of monopoly to it where you are

00:25:15 ◼   ► making money you know see you have

00:25:18 ◼   ► there's money in the game you have like

00:25:20 ◼   ► the paper money just like monopoly you

00:25:21 ◼   ► have little houses that represent towns

00:25:26 ◼   ► that you you know very similar to

00:25:28 ◼   ► monopoly where you have hotels that

00:25:30 ◼   ► you're you're taking land I guess in the

00:25:32 ◼   ► game and you have to kind of go through

00:25:35 ◼   ► a round in order to gather your

00:25:38 ◼   ► resources to power your town to then

00:25:41 ◼   ► make more money so and then the next

00:25:44 ◼   ► round starts and then you spend that

00:25:45 ◼   ► money getting what what's the word

00:25:49 ◼   ► energy

00:25:50 ◼   ► yeah well game resources to buy power

00:25:52 ◼   ► plants to to power your power plants and

00:25:56 ◼   ► then therefore power your cities and

00:25:57 ◼   ► then build more cities and so it's it's

00:26:00 ◼   ► very it's logical when you think about

00:26:04 ◼   ► how it's played it's not deep nothing's

00:26:06 ◼   ► buried in like secret cards or anything

00:26:08 ◼   ► it's all kind of laid out on the table

00:26:10 ◼   ► really simply but at the same time

00:26:12 ◼   ► there's a lot of strategy involved

00:26:13 ◼   ► there's very little luck and there's

00:26:15 ◼   ► very little chance right and and in

00:26:17 ◼   ► power grid it really is first and

00:26:20 ◼   ► foremost it is an economics game and it

00:26:23 ◼   ► is and you have to kind of judge like

00:26:25 ◼   ► you know what is the value of this power

00:26:27 ◼   ► plant to me and they're like the power

00:26:29 ◼   ► plants are sold by auction so you can

00:26:30 ◼   ► have to fight against everyone else but

00:26:32 ◼   ► that kind of gets fun because you get to

00:26:33 ◼   ► bid out loud you know and it's more

00:26:34 ◼   ► interactive it's not so stuck on the

00:26:37 ◼   ► board that's yeah that's a good point

00:26:38 ◼   ► that becomes more of like talking to

00:26:40 ◼   ► each other and making

00:26:41 ◼   ► jokes and bidding people up and you know

00:26:44 ◼   ► watching their eyes you have someone

00:26:45 ◼   ► that needs to play auctioneer because

00:26:46 ◼   ► otherwise someone would sit and think

00:26:47 ◼   ► about purchasing a power grid for like

00:26:49 ◼   ► 80 years so it gets really fun yeah and

00:26:54 ◼   ► and it is also competitive like and

00:26:55 ◼   ► we've been lucky in areas like like you

00:26:58 ◼   ► know you it is kind of like a true

00:27:00 ◼   ► market on the resource side in that like

00:27:02 ◼   ► every round there's like only a certain

00:27:04 ◼   ► number of you know things of coal things

00:27:06 ◼   ► of oil etc and then your power plant

00:27:08 ◼   ► needs like one of those things and the

00:27:11 ◼   ► more people are buying something that

00:27:12 ◼   ► more expensive it gets automatically and

00:27:15 ◼   ► you can also run out of something

00:27:16 ◼   ► entirely so like if you buy resources

00:27:19 ◼   ► before someone else which is a strategic

00:27:21 ◼   ► element like if you kind of hang behind

00:27:23 ◼   ► in the game the way it's scored you get

00:27:25 ◼   ► all the advantages kind of like Mario

00:27:26 ◼   ► Cart so anyway there's all these

00:27:29 ◼   ► different facets of this game and you

00:27:31 ◼   ► can you can like screw somebody out of

00:27:32 ◼   ► like the last of the coal or something

00:27:34 ◼   ► and you also want to diversify from your

00:27:37 ◼   ► other players because if everyone's

00:27:39 ◼   ► going for coal powered power plants then

00:27:42 ◼   ► there's not going to be enough coal

00:27:43 ◼   ► resource in order to power these power

00:27:45 ◼   ► plants so if you see that everyone else

00:27:47 ◼   ► is bidding on coal power plants then you

00:27:49 ◼   ► might want to bid on the one that like

00:27:50 ◼   ► converts garbage into power so because

00:27:52 ◼   ► then you eventually will be paying less

00:27:54 ◼   ► than everyone else on your resource yeah

00:27:57 ◼   ► and in our games because our family is

00:27:59 ◼   ► either liberals or liberals in denial we

00:28:02 ◼   ► no one ever wants to buy garbage or

00:28:04 ◼   ► nuclear and so the and and whenever

00:28:07 ◼   ► someone's not buying something it

00:28:08 ◼   ► automatically gets cheaper and so

00:28:10 ◼   ► usually the eventually like I'm like I'm

00:28:12 ◼   ► like art fine I'll take the nuclear

00:28:14 ◼   ► because it's so cheap at this point it

00:28:15 ◼   ► makes no sense to buy anything else and

00:28:17 ◼   ► no one else wants it like yeah it helps

00:28:20 ◼   ► to kind of know who you're playing with

00:28:21 ◼   ► and and the clean-burning power plants

00:28:22 ◼   ► always the bidding the prices they go

00:28:25 ◼   ► for absolutely insane and that's the

00:28:27 ◼   ► thing there's no cap on how much you can

00:28:28 ◼   ► spend on a power plant right you just

00:28:30 ◼   ► how much money you have yeah it says

00:28:32 ◼   ► kind of what it's worth on the card but

00:28:34 ◼   ► as the bidding goes on you can just you

00:28:36 ◼   ► can spend as much as you want I mean

00:28:39 ◼   ► Ryan was went crazy and even over a

00:28:41 ◼   ► hundred dollars right yeah and kind of

00:28:46 ◼   ► paid off right or did it no it didn't he

00:28:48 ◼   ► lost by a dollar at the end of the game

00:28:50 ◼   ► yeah and so at the end of this game so

00:28:51 ◼   ► so you

00:28:52 ◼   ► can win by other means but we've had

00:28:55 ◼   ► many games where it's like you know you

00:28:57 ◼   ► win by a number of cities you power in

00:28:58 ◼   ► the last turn but if you tie with

00:29:01 ◼   ► somebody on that which often happens

00:29:02 ◼   ► then whoever has the most money between

00:29:04 ◼   ► those two players wins and so then like

00:29:06 ◼   ► all of your decision-making for the

00:29:08 ◼   ► entire game with like who do I spend the

00:29:09 ◼   ► extra two dollars for this expensive

00:29:11 ◼   ► coal here all that catches up to you at

00:29:14 ◼   ► the very end if you tie with somebody

00:29:15 ◼   ► which happens all the time

00:29:16 ◼   ► and we have we have really had many

00:29:19 ◼   ► games to be decided by one dollar or

00:29:22 ◼   ► three dollars yeah it's it's crazy like

00:29:25 ◼   ► how how tight it gets cuz it really is a

00:29:27 ◼   ► it's it's all about economics and and

00:29:30 ◼   ► cost efficiency and managing cost

00:29:31 ◼   ► efficiency and it does this in a way

00:29:33 ◼   ► that isn't boring because it sounds

00:29:35 ◼   ► really boring if we say the head but it

00:29:36 ◼   ► doesn't know what it isn't boring and

00:29:37 ◼   ► that people really get into now I want

00:29:39 ◼   ► to talk about power grid factory manager

00:29:41 ◼   ► which is a game we just recently started

00:29:43 ◼   ► playing I think we even played it just

00:29:44 ◼   ► once I think we did only played it last

00:29:47 ◼   ► Christmas because that's when we bought

00:29:49 ◼   ► it yeah it has very little to do with

00:29:50 ◼   ► power grid it really it's like the same

00:29:52 ◼   ► really different but it has very good

00:29:53 ◼   ► stackable pieces because it has a little

00:29:55 ◼   ► working men yes they stack in very great

00:29:57 ◼   ► little triangles and they look like

00:29:58 ◼   ► little cheerleader yeah like the

00:30:01 ◼   ► stackable

00:30:02 ◼   ► but I have that impossibly entering into

00:30:06 ◼   ► my top 4 list because I don't feel like

00:30:08 ◼   ► it's overplayed and I'm very interested

00:30:10 ◼   ► in playing it again I'm very excited

00:30:12 ◼   ► about it I had a lot of fun when we did

00:30:13 ◼   ► play it I can't remember the gameplay

00:30:15 ◼   ► for the life of me I can picture the

00:30:17 ◼   ► board but I can't remember how to play

00:30:19 ◼   ► it but it actually might make mine odd

00:30:21 ◼   ► because it doesn't bore me that's

00:30:24 ◼   ► amazing so and we should also point out

00:30:27 ◼   ► like power grid also has a pretty good

00:30:30 ◼   ► number of add-ons that you can buy to

00:30:33 ◼   ► either add more cards to the game which

00:30:34 ◼   ► we haven't done yet or what we have done

00:30:37 ◼   ► they actually sell alternate boards so

00:30:39 ◼   ► it comes with tool I can come to the

00:30:41 ◼   ► board is too sorry I did a lot like

00:30:42 ◼   ► Ticket to Ride from what I'm hearing is

00:30:44 ◼   ► that ticket to like which is what I have

00:30:45 ◼   ► on my short list but it didn't make the

00:30:47 ◼   ► top four I don't think it made the top 4

00:30:48 ◼   ► for you there's no a lot of chance in

00:30:50 ◼   ► that game but power grid and Ticket to

00:30:52 ◼   ► Ride also have varying maps that you can

00:30:55 ◼   ► play on that that bring more diversity

00:30:59 ◼   ► to each round yeah if you get bored

00:31:01 ◼   ► alright so I do feel like I have before

00:31:03 ◼   ► we get too far into anything else we

00:31:05 ◼   ► have to mention Carcassonne

00:31:06 ◼   ► because this is a game that is extremely

00:31:09 ◼   ► popular that we've never played so I'm

00:31:12 ◼   ► not judging it because I've just never

00:31:14 ◼   ► played it okay so many and check yeah so

00:31:16 ◼   ► just know that tell us about it we know

00:31:18 ◼   ► it exists it is on our list of things to

00:31:20 ◼   ► try but I like your feedback I do I like

00:31:23 ◼   ► it

00:31:23 ◼   ► oh yeah no feedback about everything

00:31:25 ◼   ► else is fine just know that we are aware

00:31:26 ◼   ► of Carcassonne existence and we have use

00:31:28 ◼   ► never played it okay I want to talk

00:31:30 ◼   ► about the construction game it's still

00:31:32 ◼   ► closed in our closet because we've only

00:31:34 ◼   ► played it at my parents house but it's

00:31:36 ◼   ► another game that I feel like is very

00:31:38 ◼   ► interesting the dynamic is really great

00:31:41 ◼   ► it's really fun to play in a group it's

00:31:42 ◼   ► competitive it is also kind of a it's

00:31:47 ◼   ► it's like a finance monopoly game again

00:31:49 ◼   ► yeah I would say it really bears a very

00:31:52 ◼   ► strong resemblance to Monopoly but it's

00:31:54 ◼   ► not just like monopoly the lost edition

00:31:57 ◼   ► you know it's not like that it's not

00:31:58 ◼   ► like construction monopoly it's not like

00:32:00 ◼   ► that it's actually called the

00:32:02 ◼   ► construction game it looks kind of just

00:32:03 ◼   ► like monopoly and you have to buy

00:32:06 ◼   ► equipment and you have to perform you

00:32:10 ◼   ► have to do jobs and you have to get win

00:32:12 ◼   ► bids to do the jobs with your equipment

00:32:14 ◼   ► and if you don't have the right

00:32:15 ◼   ► equipment to do the job

00:32:16 ◼   ► you know like anything you spend your

00:32:17 ◼   ► money to do all the stuff and then you

00:32:19 ◼   ► eventually win the game with the most

00:32:20 ◼   ► money is that right

00:32:21 ◼   ► they made it a long time we've played

00:32:23 ◼   ► Italy twice I know but it sounds like

00:32:25 ◼   ► five years ago I know and it lasts a

00:32:27 ◼   ► really really long time it is a

00:32:29 ◼   ► ridiculously long game but it's a lot of

00:32:32 ◼   ► fun it's it's very competitive it's very

00:32:35 ◼   ► energetic when you're playing with a

00:32:37 ◼   ► whole bunch of people who care very much

00:32:38 ◼   ► about playing the game yeah and I'm not

00:32:40 ◼   ► bored of it so it's like hovering I have

00:32:44 ◼   ► three I have three games that are

00:32:45 ◼   ► starred that I never get to play much

00:32:47 ◼   ► while you're on the subject let's

00:32:49 ◼   ► briefly talk about monopoly okay because

00:32:51 ◼   ► I need to talk I need to I need to talk

00:32:52 ◼   ► about it if you don't yeah I don't need

00:32:54 ◼   ► to talk about monopoly all right I'll

00:32:55 ◼   ► make it quick

00:32:56 ◼   ► okay so I have I have a history of when

00:32:59 ◼   ► I was growing up I was a massive

00:33:01 ◼   ► monopoly geek during the summer as I had

00:33:04 ◼   ► this group of friends that I see every

00:33:05 ◼   ► summer and we would play almost every

00:33:08 ◼   ► day at least once almost every day for a

00:33:11 ◼   ► good three or four summers that's a lot

00:33:13 ◼   ► of Monopoly we were really bored I mean

00:33:15 ◼   ► we were nerds we were too young to do

00:33:17 ◼   ► anything interesting and there weren't

00:33:18 ◼   ► any good German board games yet

00:33:20 ◼   ► we I mean we were like you know 13 or

00:33:22 ◼   ► something mean we were you know it

00:33:23 ◼   ► wasn't it wasn't a good time so so we

00:33:26 ◼   ► could do that so we did anyway so so

00:33:30 ◼   ► I've played a lot of Monopoly I've read

00:33:32 ◼   ► a couple of Monopoly books when I was a

00:33:33 ◼   ► teenager like the various strategy books

00:33:36 ◼   ► yeah I got my library anyway so monopoly

00:33:42 ◼   ► gets it gets a worse rap it is a better

00:33:43 ◼   ► game than those people think and there

00:33:45 ◼   ► have been a couple of other podcasts

00:33:46 ◼   ► about this I there I believe there was

00:33:47 ◼   ► an episode of unjust Amon lying about it

00:33:49 ◼   ► anyway I'll find it link to it but any

00:33:51 ◼   ► more links sorry more show notes anyway

00:33:55 ◼   ► you're the one dropping all these show

00:33:58 ◼   ► know that all over the place anyway so

00:34:06 ◼   ► monopoly gets it gets a worse rap than

00:34:08 ◼   ► it deserves because most people don't

00:34:11 ◼   ► actually do the rules most people have

00:34:13 ◼   ► House Rules

00:34:13 ◼   ► that quote make it more fun that usually

00:34:16 ◼   ► and involve injecting more money into

00:34:18 ◼   ► the game and when and then then they all

00:34:20 ◼   ► complain that takes forever and they

00:34:23 ◼   ► don't never connect the two dots to

00:34:25 ◼   ► realize monopoly ends when people go

00:34:27 ◼   ► bankrupt so if you inject money into the

00:34:29 ◼   ► game it will take longer for people to

00:34:31 ◼   ► go bankrupt that never crosses people's

00:34:34 ◼   ► mind and and so they and or they've just

00:34:36 ◼   ► they think they know how to play the

00:34:38 ◼   ► game and they never actually read the

00:34:40 ◼   ► rules like because they were just taught

00:34:42 ◼   ► when they were a kid and they just keep

00:34:43 ◼   ► playing the way they always have and

00:34:44 ◼   ► they ever actually read the rules which

00:34:45 ◼   ► are surprisingly short and so yeah rule

00:34:49 ◼   ► Monopoly rules are pretty much word of

00:34:50 ◼   ► mouth at this point yeah one's gonna

00:34:52 ◼   ► pick up that book like have you ever

00:34:53 ◼   ► read the rules to Scrabble I haven't no

00:34:55 ◼   ► I don't even know I have no idea what

00:34:56 ◼   ► the rules are I just know how to play I

00:34:57 ◼   ► think you know yeah it's one of those

00:34:58 ◼   ► things that you just learn how to play

00:35:00 ◼   ► right you're like as you're

00:35:01 ◼   ► indoctrinated into being a human you

00:35:03 ◼   ► just kind of play right so but you know

00:35:05 ◼   ► in in short if you think that you get

00:35:09 ◼   ► extra money for letting on free parking

00:35:10 ◼   ► or if you think that you don't get to

00:35:13 ◼   ► collect rent or anything in jail or if

00:35:15 ◼   ► you think that there's no auctions you

00:35:18 ◼   ► need to go read the rules no it's like

00:35:19 ◼   ► the big ones that most people don't know

00:35:22 ◼   ► turns out jail is awesome in late game

00:35:25 ◼   ► and free parking does nothing and

00:35:28 ◼   ► auctions are a critical part of the game

00:35:29 ◼   ► and yeah also buy the oranges anyway

00:35:33 ◼   ► everyone knows that by now I think

00:35:34 ◼   ► anyway monopoly is a very good game now

00:35:37 ◼   ► there there was a thing that was put out

00:35:39 ◼   ► some article I will not be able to find

00:35:41 ◼   ► this for the show notes but some article

00:35:42 ◼   ► that was put out about like what makes

00:35:43 ◼   ► games seem more fun and fair versus

00:35:47 ◼   ► others and monopoly does very poorly on

00:35:49 ◼   ► this kind of test so like one thing that

00:35:52 ◼   ► makes you gain like more fun for most

00:35:53 ◼   ► people to play is like do people get

00:35:56 ◼   ► eliminated midway through and they just

00:35:57 ◼   ► can't play and have to wait for everyone

00:35:59 ◼   ► else to finish the game because like

00:36:00 ◼   ► that's no fun for those people you

00:36:02 ◼   ► talked about that in our first show I

00:36:03 ◼   ► did youdid I know I talked about it was

00:36:06 ◼   ► on ATP anyway no sorry it was our very

00:36:07 ◼   ► first show of anyway games all right so

00:36:09 ◼   ► so there's there's that kind of thing

00:36:11 ◼   ► where like you know they're there or

00:36:13 ◼   ► certain factors like you know does one

00:36:15 ◼   ► person like really tear away at the

00:36:16 ◼   ► beginning and just have a huge lead that

00:36:18 ◼   ► just is insurmountable and you can tell

00:36:20 ◼   ► early on and then it's not fun to

00:36:22 ◼   ► continue that game right so there's

00:36:23 ◼   ► there's things like that that makes

00:36:25 ◼   ► certain games more or less fun a

00:36:26 ◼   ► monopoly does very badly on all those

00:36:28 ◼   ► things it is really a very old-school

00:36:30 ◼   ► kind of game there is a lot of luck

00:36:32 ◼   ► involved although not as much as most

00:36:34 ◼   ► people think if you if you kind of you

00:36:35 ◼   ► know know the numbers and you know the

00:36:37 ◼   ► stats of what could land it on but

00:36:38 ◼   ► anyway I'm gonna start cutting you off

00:36:40 ◼   ► about your monopoly time let's know but

00:36:41 ◼   ► so so I do think overall though I'll

00:36:44 ◼   ► close it out here I do think overall

00:36:45 ◼   ► monopoly is a better game than most

00:36:48 ◼   ► people give it credit for and it is

00:36:49 ◼   ► overall a pretty good game it does not

00:36:52 ◼   ► make my top 4 but it would probably make

00:36:55 ◼   ► my top 10 okay I have another old-school

00:36:58 ◼   ► game I want to bring up okay it's clue

00:37:01 ◼   ► really I really really like clue I do

00:37:05 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:37:10 ◼   ► well come on monopoly is monopoly but

00:37:13 ◼   ► clue is not clue clue clue it's clear

00:37:17 ◼   ► there was a movement it was really good

00:37:19 ◼   ► I love clue the movie okay so I really

00:37:25 ◼   ► like the game clue no one ever wants to

00:37:27 ◼   ► play clue I had it as a kid and no one

00:37:29 ◼   ► ever wants to play this is the story of

00:37:31 ◼   ► your life but no one ever wants to play

00:37:32 ◼   ► or you know whatever wants to play my

00:37:34 ◼   ► favorite games I don't know I just like

00:37:36 ◼   ► the little rooms and I like the little

00:37:38 ◼   ► pieces and I'll you know having them all

00:37:43 ◼   ► in the different rooms and making

00:37:45 ◼   ► guesses and accusing people I was like

00:37:47 ◼   ► games

00:37:47 ◼   ► where you get to talk to people a little

00:37:48 ◼   ► bit yeah so I clue as a contender I

00:37:53 ◼   ► don't know if I'm gonna put it on my

00:37:54 ◼   ► list there's there's one slot open on my

00:37:56 ◼   ► list for a power grid factory manager

00:38:00 ◼   ► construction game or clue is what I have

00:38:03 ◼   ► hovering in the lot but I don't know

00:38:05 ◼   ► thank you so Peregrine factory manager

00:38:07 ◼   ► and concession game are both games that

00:38:09 ◼   ► you've played almost never and clearly

00:38:11 ◼   ► there's a game that what was the last

00:38:12 ◼   ► time you played games that I haven't

00:38:17 ◼   ► played a lot because I'm not bored with

00:38:19 ◼   ► them it's not like you just hate games I

00:38:21 ◼   ► love I don't like tired games I don't

00:38:24 ◼   ► like things that I'm tired of yeah well

00:38:27 ◼   ► you're the kind of person you get sick

00:38:28 ◼   ► of things pretty easily and I'm I'm the

00:38:30 ◼   ► guy to never get sick of things on from

00:38:32 ◼   ► everything you've been like jobs you're

00:38:34 ◼   ► the only thing that's stuck around

00:38:36 ◼   ► everything except me yeah I like you

00:38:38 ◼   ► maybe our dog and kid yeah our dog and

00:38:40 ◼   ► kid are good too games and stuff and

00:38:48 ◼   ► yeah hobbies I just move on I'm a

00:38:53 ◼   ► renaissance woman I know a little bit of

00:38:56 ◼   ► a little a whole bunch of things okay

00:38:58 ◼   ► well I think that's a fair analogy we're

00:39:01 ◼   ► gonna move on in case it isn't so I've

00:39:05 ◼   ► only played clue maybe twice and it was

00:39:08 ◼   ► a play clue I I can't judge it I like I

00:39:11 ◼   ► don't think I've ever played it as an

00:39:12 ◼   ► adult and so I don't really know like

00:39:14 ◼   ► objectively I might like it also because

00:39:16 ◼   ► I do really like the movie so maybe them

00:39:19 ◼   ► together that's most like movie and the

00:39:21 ◼   ► game I really like together is that what

00:39:25 ◼   ► if you watch the movie while playing the

00:39:28 ◼   ► game sounds of me it's like my dream of

00:39:32 ◼   ► eating Chinese food while people in

00:39:33 ◼   ► movies are eating Chinese food well I

00:39:37 ◼   ► really I just want to be eating Chinese

00:39:39 ◼   ► food out of a box with chopsticks while

00:39:42 ◼   ► I happen to accidentally be watching a

00:39:44 ◼   ► movie that the characters do that to and

00:39:46 ◼   ► I will feel so satisfied if that happens

00:39:49 ◼   ► because I always want Chinese food when

00:39:51 ◼   ► I see people eating Chinese food that

00:39:54 ◼   ► makes sense okay anyway please somewhere

00:39:58 ◼   ► on your list maybe a number four yeah

00:40:01 ◼   ► about another game that nobody ever

00:40:02 ◼   ► plays with me let's do it it's

00:40:06 ◼   ► balderdash

00:40:07 ◼   ► I love the game folder - I think it's

00:40:09 ◼   ► balderdash close enough and I played it

00:40:14 ◼   ► for the first time when I was a kid at

00:40:16 ◼   ► my friend's house and ever since then I

00:40:18 ◼   ► have asked for it for Christmas and I

00:40:21 ◼   ► never got it my entire childhood my

00:40:23 ◼   ► entire young adult life my entire

00:40:26 ◼   ► teenage life like I just I would always

00:40:29 ◼   ► be like what you offer Chris Ivy I love

00:40:31 ◼   ► that game folder - and no one would ever

00:40:33 ◼   ► ever get it and then one day one amazing

00:40:36 ◼   ► amazing Christmas my dear loving husband

00:40:39 ◼   ► finally finally after like six years he

00:40:44 ◼   ► finally bought me the game of balderdash

00:40:46 ◼   ► and now nobody plays it with me yeah and

00:40:49 ◼   ► no one ever ever plays it with me

00:40:52 ◼   ► everyone wants to play something else

00:40:53 ◼   ► every time and I and I feel so bad now

00:40:57 ◼   ► because I like beg people I'm like it's

00:40:58 ◼   ► gonna be really fun and then I get

00:40:59 ◼   ► nervous it's not gonna be fun because I

00:41:01 ◼   ► really like it because you've hyped it

00:41:03 ◼   ► up so much how many so I was high wait

00:41:07 ◼   ► wait wait and in addition to that so the

00:41:09 ◼   ► incomparable they play balderdash

00:41:11 ◼   ► and every time I have not been able to

00:41:14 ◼   ► join them yeah I've had something really

00:41:16 ◼   ► like I really could not change the times

00:41:18 ◼   ► that I could play like I could not play

00:41:21 ◼   ► any time they've invited me to play it's

00:41:24 ◼   ► the game that just is just right at the

00:41:28 ◼   ► reach of my fingertips and I cannot grab

00:41:29 ◼   ► on to it I love balderdash

00:41:32 ◼   ► and so after all that how many times

00:41:36 ◼   ► have you actually played the game

00:41:38 ◼   ► probably like six times but it's so good

00:41:43 ◼   ► I love making up stuff and I love when

00:41:45 ◼   ► people make up stuff it's funny it's

00:41:48 ◼   ► like pictionary but words and it's great

00:41:50 ◼   ► maybe we're doing you a favor by not

00:41:52 ◼   ► playing it with you because I would've

00:41:54 ◼   ► liked it otherwise it wouldn't make my

00:41:56 ◼   ► list yeah because you just hate

00:41:58 ◼   ► everything you play too much we don't

00:41:59 ◼   ► want to keeping me interested maybe like

00:42:02 ◼   ► I like the mystery will agree to play it

00:42:05 ◼   ► like every 10 years I love the mystery

00:42:10 ◼   ► that is bolder - and this one of this

00:42:12 ◼   ► game is to where you need more than two

00:42:14 ◼   ► people right

00:42:15 ◼   ► you do it yeah it's not as fun you need

00:42:17 ◼   ► like a group and you need to be in a

00:42:19 ◼   ► certain mindset to like you have to be

00:42:21 ◼   ► like an active group that's willing to

00:42:22 ◼   ► start like making up stuff and being a

00:42:24 ◼   ► little funny and you know you can't just

00:42:26 ◼   ► be a sleepy well let's play a board game

00:42:29 ◼   ► kind of group you have to be ready for

00:42:31 ◼   ► it right and it's and like that's one

00:42:34 ◼   ► thing to mention like a lot of these

00:42:35 ◼   ► games unfortunately like a lot of the

00:42:36 ◼   ► best ones can't be played with just two

00:42:38 ◼   ► people you know lots of people can get

00:42:40 ◼   ► one other person who agree to agree to

00:42:42 ◼   ► play a game with them you know whether

00:42:43 ◼   ► it's your partner or your sibling or

00:42:45 ◼   ► whatever like lots of people can get

00:42:47 ◼   ► like you know one person to agree but

00:42:49 ◼   ► but many of these games require at least

00:42:51 ◼   ► three people

00:42:52 ◼   ► yeah and that's where we get all tripped

00:42:53 ◼   ► up yeah that we never get to play those

00:42:55 ◼   ► games cuz we're just two people yeah and

00:42:57 ◼   ► then by the time Adams old enough he's

00:42:59 ◼   ► not gonna want to hang out with us no no

00:43:00 ◼   ► no or or he will hate all these games

00:43:02 ◼   ► cuz they'll be they'll be you know when

00:43:04 ◼   ► he's younger

00:43:04 ◼   ► they'll frustrate him you know and when

00:43:07 ◼   ► he gets older then he won't wanna hang

00:43:08 ◼   ► out with us yeah yeah we'll find out

00:43:10 ◼   ► eventually anyway maybe when he's 30

00:43:13 ◼   ► he'll be willing to play with us why do

00:43:14 ◼   ► you have one game on my list that we

00:43:16 ◼   ► have a two-person version that we've

00:43:17 ◼   ► never played well PowerGrid has a tube

00:43:20 ◼   ► that's how ryan and i played but what's

00:43:21 ◼   ► your what you--what is your other one

00:43:22 ◼   ► block Asst yeah block is totally made

00:43:25 ◼   ► like my list i love block and it made my

00:43:28 ◼   ► list as well really yeah that's so

00:43:29 ◼   ► surprising because it's a really really

00:43:31 ◼   ► it's a really really simple game it's

00:43:33 ◼   ► pretty much like it's almost like a

00:43:34 ◼   ► board game version of Tetris with other

00:43:36 ◼   ► players yeah you you're the goal is you

00:43:39 ◼   ► have a gridded a gridded did you have a

00:43:44 ◼   ► grid board yes it has like ridges and

00:43:47 ◼   ► you have little clear kind of colored

00:43:49 ◼   ► tie like um and they look like Tetris

00:43:52 ◼   ► pieces but it isn't just things with

00:43:55 ◼   ► five blocks in them and you eat each

00:43:56 ◼   ► person has a color and you have to fit

00:43:59 ◼   ► them on to this grid in a certain way

00:44:01 ◼   ► touching the other players pieces in one

00:44:03 ◼   ► certain way and the goal is to get rid

00:44:06 ◼   ► of all of your pieces and fill up this

00:44:08 ◼   ► board so it's kind of like a land grab

00:44:09 ◼   ► kind of game and it's really very fun

00:44:12 ◼   ► because you can play it very quickly

00:44:14 ◼   ► there's an almost notes that there's no

00:44:16 ◼   ► setup really besides giving out the

00:44:18 ◼   ► pieces but we have them all in neat

00:44:19 ◼   ► little bags because we are totally nerds

00:44:22 ◼   ► so the setups really easy the teaching

00:44:25 ◼   ► people how to play is really easy so

00:44:27 ◼   ► there's almost no

00:44:28 ◼   ► um what's that word when there's no

00:44:31 ◼   ► learning curve learning curve to play

00:44:34 ◼   ► this game and it's it's just really

00:44:35 ◼   ► simple and fun and it's difficult to be

00:44:38 ◼   ► bored of it because it's every game is

00:44:41 ◼   ► different

00:44:41 ◼   ► yeah Blancas has often been our dessert

00:44:44 ◼   ► game like we will play one of the big

00:44:46 ◼   ► complicated or an appetizer game yeah

00:44:49 ◼   ► right yeah like so we'll play like one

00:44:50 ◼   ► of the big complicated games like I

00:44:51 ◼   ► could Cola or Puerto Rico that takes it

00:44:53 ◼   ► the whole table and lots of setup time

00:44:54 ◼   ► we'll play one of those and at the end

00:44:56 ◼   ► of that it'll be like you know 10:30 I'm

00:44:58 ◼   ► like well we don't really want to start

00:44:59 ◼   ► a whole other one of those but how about

00:45:01 ◼   ► a quick round of blacas or while

00:45:02 ◼   ► someone's cleaning up the kitchen which

00:45:04 ◼   ► is usually unfortunately my mom and the

00:45:06 ◼   ► rest of us are like let's play a game

00:45:07 ◼   ► real quick but while we wait for

00:45:09 ◼   ► everyone to be done you know to go down

00:45:10 ◼   ► and actually play the big game then we

00:45:13 ◼   ► play a quick round to block us because

00:45:15 ◼   ► it's so quick yeah but they have a - you

00:45:16 ◼   ► have to buy a separate board to play two

00:45:18 ◼   ► people yeah there's also a three player

00:45:20 ◼   ► like a triangular version right there's

00:45:22 ◼   ► that one yeah I saw it online there

00:45:24 ◼   ► there is a three player version but the

00:45:25 ◼   ► so that's so the only limitation with

00:45:28 ◼   ► placas is that you have to play four

00:45:29 ◼   ► players yeah you can't play like three

00:45:32 ◼   ► to five people on the same board it's

00:45:33 ◼   ► like no this board this board requires

00:45:35 ◼   ► exactly four flame so you really have to

00:45:37 ◼   ► think about strategy and how you're

00:45:38 ◼   ► gonna play these gonna place your pieces

00:45:40 ◼   ► and how you're gonna block somebody and

00:45:42 ◼   ► how you're going to because if you play

00:45:44 ◼   ► a certain piece at the very end you get

00:45:46 ◼   ► super bonus points and you're super cool

00:45:48 ◼   ► but it is actually it's very very

00:45:50 ◼   ► difficult to to play all of your pieces

00:45:52 ◼   ► yeah it is it is a surprising like it

00:45:55 ◼   ► looks really simple but it is not easy

00:45:57 ◼   ► you it yeah you can learn it very

00:45:59 ◼   ► quickly but it is very hard to master

00:46:01 ◼   ► yeah and it's it that's another game

00:46:03 ◼   ► where like everybody we have introduced

00:46:05 ◼   ► it to not only gets it immediately but

00:46:06 ◼   ► also likes it pretty much you know

00:46:08 ◼   ► pretty well yeah and every time you play

00:46:10 ◼   ► it you're like okay let's play again

00:46:11 ◼   ► yeah another one yeah dump it out play

00:46:14 ◼   ► again or like if you if you have a

00:46:16 ◼   ► situation like a bigger gathering where

00:46:19 ◼   ► you have like multiple people cycling in

00:46:20 ◼   ► and out of playing the game then it's a

00:46:23 ◼   ► good it's a good game for that because

00:46:24 ◼   ► like a round of lock it only takes like

00:46:26 ◼   ► a half-hour maybe and then you can you

00:46:28 ◼   ► can like bring in a new a new person in

00:46:29 ◼   ► case oh yeah okay I'm done whoo let's

00:46:32 ◼   ► play next and it's it you can rotate in

00:46:34 ◼   ► and out it's really great that way

00:46:35 ◼   ► that's cool we should have one of those

00:46:36 ◼   ► out next time we have a party yeah it's

00:46:38 ◼   ► a good idea the block is station yeah I

00:46:40 ◼   ► would rent I rank block is right now I

00:46:42 ◼   ► have

00:46:42 ◼   ► Blagh into my number-4 spot i have

00:46:44 ◼   ► blockage I might move it up we'll see I

00:46:46 ◼   ► think I might move it up to number two

00:46:48 ◼   ► because my number two spots empty now

00:46:49 ◼   ► that we're talking about it I thought

00:46:51 ◼   ► that once we started discussing these I

00:46:53 ◼   ► would start loving them more or less

00:46:56 ◼   ► depending on how we talked about them

00:46:58 ◼   ► out loud so I think Bacchus will be my

00:47:00 ◼   ► number two nice because it's exciting

00:47:03 ◼   ► you know it's fun and it's quick it's

00:47:05 ◼   ► great and the only other other game on

00:47:07 ◼   ► my list is that we talked about which

00:47:09 ◼   ► kind it was also on your list and then

00:47:10 ◼   ► we'll talk about any extras that you

00:47:11 ◼   ► have is Bananagrams I have Bananagrams I

00:47:15 ◼   ► love that that's another quick fun it's

00:47:19 ◼   ► another game because it has you know

00:47:22 ◼   ► it's basically like speed Scrabble

00:47:24 ◼   ► almost like it's it's very you I mean

00:47:27 ◼   ► because real Scrabble is just too long

00:47:29 ◼   ► it is it takes too long everyone thinks

00:47:31 ◼   ► about their words too long yeah and like

00:47:34 ◼   ► everyone gets bored waiting for the

00:47:35 ◼   ► person like waiting for each person to

00:47:37 ◼   ► think about their word oh yeah you know

00:47:39 ◼   ► words with friends is actually better

00:47:42 ◼   ► than playing Scrabble better it is

00:47:45 ◼   ► because you don't have to actually like

00:47:46 ◼   ► you could go on with your life while

00:47:48 ◼   ► you're waiting for someone to play yeah

00:47:50 ◼   ► what it feels like when you're really

00:47:51 ◼   ► sitting there playing Scrabble you're

00:47:52 ◼   ► like I could just be doing anything else

00:47:54 ◼   ► right now yeah yeah I don't really do

00:47:57 ◼   ► not like playing Scrabble in person and

00:47:58 ◼   ► and most games I would prefer to play

00:48:01 ◼   ► like the hardcopy Scrabble is one of the

00:48:03 ◼   ► few where that's not the case

00:48:04 ◼   ► me too but anyway so but Bananagrams is

00:48:08 ◼   ► really great because so you know so it

00:48:10 ◼   ► literally is a bag shaped like a banana

00:48:13 ◼   ► full of little Scrabble tiles and

00:48:17 ◼   ► there's no points to them it's just the

00:48:19 ◼   ► letters and the game is you dump them

00:48:22 ◼   ► all out in the pile in the middle and

00:48:23 ◼   ► then like you like speed try to assemble

00:48:27 ◼   ► what is basically a valid Scrabble board

00:48:29 ◼   ► in your own little place at the table

00:48:30 ◼   ► that's like low Scrabble board yeah like

00:48:32 ◼   ► so you aren't competing with anyone else

00:48:34 ◼   ► on anything except so on yeah all your

00:48:35 ◼   ► words have to connect and they have to

00:48:36 ◼   ► all be real words yeah but and there's

00:48:39 ◼   ► no scoring so it's like whoever whoever

00:48:40 ◼   ► wins first basically right once all the

00:48:43 ◼   ► tiles are gone whoever has like a legit

00:48:46 ◼   ► finished board first wins right like no

00:48:49 ◼   ► no word no tiles that you haven't placed

00:48:51 ◼   ► in 2,000 words yet yeah yeah and I so it

00:48:54 ◼   ► it's a very quick very low effort

00:48:56 ◼   ► in a very low barrier game so again

00:48:59 ◼   ► perfect game for the end of a night or a

00:49:02 ◼   ► time when you don't have a lot of you

00:49:05 ◼   ► know a much time to play it also is is

00:49:08 ◼   ► very tolerant of different numbers of

00:49:09 ◼   ► players and you could probably play with

00:49:11 ◼   ► anything to an upright probably yeah

00:49:13 ◼   ► yeah so you're on a piece is basically

00:49:15 ◼   ► another game like this so that we should

00:49:16 ◼   ► mention is corkle that a lot of people

00:49:18 ◼   ► have really liked and we've showed them

00:49:19 ◼   ► that game and that is matching colors

00:49:22 ◼   ► and shapes so it's not good for your

00:49:24 ◼   ► colorblind friends but other than that

00:49:26 ◼   ► all sergeant

00:49:28 ◼   ► yes that it that's also a really good

00:49:32 ◼   ► fun kind of making grids of colors and

00:49:37 ◼   ► shapes in different patterns and

00:49:38 ◼   ► configurations yeah it's almost like

00:49:40 ◼   ► dominoes in a way but it's like it's

00:49:42 ◼   ► different rules you know yeah if you

00:49:44 ◼   ► haven't played corkle and you like

00:49:46 ◼   ► little fast kind of appetizer dessert

00:49:48 ◼   ► games then you should check out corkle

00:49:50 ◼   ► it so it's a good one to buy for

00:49:52 ◼   ► Christmas actually because yeah it's fun

00:49:54 ◼   ► family game yeah if you if you have a

00:49:57 ◼   ► family gathering and and you want to

00:49:59 ◼   ► like bring something for the family to

00:50:00 ◼   ► do quark roll Bananagrams and block it

00:50:03 ◼   ► yep those three things are our solid

00:50:06 ◼   ► picks and I also really like the sets

00:50:09 ◼   ► the card game set set set that's right

00:50:12 ◼   ► yeah I like that one a lot

00:50:13 ◼   ► that one hurts my brain I like that

00:50:16 ◼   ► one's really fun I love that game the

00:50:18 ◼   ► best thing either the colorblind not

00:50:21 ◼   ► compatible no game the the best thing

00:50:23 ◼   ► about set is how ridiculous you look

00:50:26 ◼   ► while you're playing it because

00:50:27 ◼   ► everyone's just staring at yes like have

00:50:30 ◼   ► a grid of cards that you placed out and

00:50:32 ◼   ► everyone is silently very intently

00:50:35 ◼   ► almost never blinking staring at this

00:50:37 ◼   ► game it looks so weird if you walk fast

00:50:40 ◼   ► a group of people playing with that they

00:50:42 ◼   ► look like they're possessed it's it's

00:50:45 ◼   ► amazing that that to me is the best part

00:50:47 ◼   ► it isn't a bad game it just I don't I

00:50:50 ◼   ► don't like it as much I love that game

00:50:52 ◼   ► too

00:50:52 ◼   ► so that's that's my whole list what do

00:50:55 ◼   ► you what else do you have on yours that

00:50:56 ◼   ► we haven't talked about on the big list

00:50:57 ◼   ► um

00:50:58 ◼   ► pictionary I guess would be one of the

00:51:00 ◼   ► big ones that we haven't really talked

00:51:02 ◼   ► about I've had a number of pictionary

00:51:03 ◼   ► birthdays yes it turns out a pictionary

00:51:07 ◼   ► Ballack we just play it kind of like the

00:51:09 ◼   ► old TV shows

00:51:10 ◼   ► where we just have groups of people on

00:51:13 ◼   ► teams and we go back and forth and we

00:51:14 ◼   ► just try and draw like an entire card in

00:51:17 ◼   ► what five minutes or less yeah well you

00:51:20 ◼   ► knew it like when when you first wanted

00:51:22 ◼   ► a pictionary party like six years ago I

00:51:25 ◼   ► went and bought like the cheapest like

00:51:27 ◼   ► office easel stand I could get in Haven

00:51:29 ◼   ► and the giant flipchart paper pads it

00:51:32 ◼   ► ended up being so much fun everyone got

00:51:33 ◼   ► really really into it yeah you spend

00:51:35 ◼   ► like 40 bucks and you have like this

00:51:36 ◼   ► awesome pictionary set and we played it

00:51:39 ◼   ► multiple times with at the end of

00:51:40 ◼   ► parties and it's gone over really well

00:51:42 ◼   ► and again we don't really adhere to the

00:51:44 ◼   ► rules very much it's more like here's a

00:51:46 ◼   ► card let's draw the whole card as fast

00:51:48 ◼   ► as you can and have your team guess yeah

00:51:50 ◼   ► or you know you have two minutes draw as

00:51:51 ◼   ► much of the card as you can and then you

00:51:53 ◼   ► know it's like tally points and yes we

00:51:55 ◼   ► do it really very um yeah I don't

00:51:58 ◼   ► laissez I'm not sure I've ever used the

00:51:59 ◼   ► board in pictionary no the board's

00:52:01 ◼   ► pretty boring yeah like when you do it

00:52:03 ◼   ► actually it's like yeah it's too boring

00:52:05 ◼   ► drawing on a giant flip chart is is much

00:52:08 ◼   ► better like speed speed drawing and you

00:52:10 ◼   ► like every one and it it's a fun game

00:52:12 ◼   ► whether you can draw or you can't

00:52:13 ◼   ► because people who can it's amazing how

00:52:16 ◼   ► much they can get out but yet people

00:52:18 ◼   ► still can't guess it and the people who

00:52:20 ◼   ► can't draw that's what's also extremely

00:52:23 ◼   ► funny seeing horrible stick figures and

00:52:26 ◼   ► like just completely deformed animals

00:52:29 ◼   ► that they're trying to convey pictures

00:52:31 ◼   ► of and it's great but what I like about

00:52:32 ◼   ► about that though is that artistic skill

00:52:36 ◼   ► does not seem to correlate to how good

00:52:38 ◼   ► you are pictionary exactly like it

00:52:40 ◼   ► because it isn't about draw a version of

00:52:43 ◼   ► this that looks good it's it's closer to

00:52:45 ◼   ► like icon or sign design in that it's

00:52:47 ◼   ► more like you have to communicate this

00:52:50 ◼   ► idea with imagery how how quickly and

00:52:54 ◼   ► effectively can you communicate this

00:52:55 ◼   ► idea which is it's it's a similar but

00:52:59 ◼   ► not the same skill and so like like I

00:53:02 ◼   ► can't draw for crap but I'm a little bit

00:53:04 ◼   ► better at that at that other skill than

00:53:06 ◼   ► I am at drawing so I can I can do okay

00:53:08 ◼   ► in fiction airy and I'm okay in picture

00:53:11 ◼   ► you do very long pictionary

00:53:12 ◼   ► yeah well it's icon design basically but

00:53:15 ◼   ► you also need a good to a team that can

00:53:17 ◼   ► guess - I mean we yes I'm the worst

00:53:19 ◼   ► guesser someone the true like this

00:53:20 ◼   ► amazing pagoda right or

00:53:23 ◼   ► something like that they drew it it

00:53:25 ◼   ► looked exactly like it but nobody on the

00:53:27 ◼   ► team knew what a pagoda was so they

00:53:29 ◼   ► couldn't get yeah it's like that was

00:53:31 ◼   ► such a good drawing but it's still fail

00:53:33 ◼   ► yeah yeah I'm much better at the drawing

00:53:36 ◼   ► part that I'm the guessing part yeah I

00:53:37 ◼   ► think you are a very good guesser aren't

00:53:39 ◼   ► you I don't know I just really like

00:53:40 ◼   ► playing the game it's it's one of those

00:53:42 ◼   ► things like the same kind of group that

00:53:44 ◼   ► would get into playing balderdash would

00:53:45 ◼   ► get into playing pictionary the way we

00:53:47 ◼   ► play it you just want us to play

00:53:49 ◼   ► balderdash so much only cuz we know

00:53:52 ◼   ► whatever plays balderdash with me

00:53:54 ◼   ► alrighty more no just being sad about

00:53:57 ◼   ► balderdash alright so but we have Mille

00:53:59 ◼   ► Bornes that was the other one I forgot

00:54:02 ◼   ► my Mille Bornes man you played that I

00:54:03 ◼   ► played that a lot in my childhood my

00:54:05 ◼   ► parents with my mom yeah my mom was

00:54:07 ◼   ► really into it as well and so I

00:54:08 ◼   ► discovered that like as a teenager she

00:54:09 ◼   ► really brought it back out there's old

00:54:10 ◼   ► ones in the 70 yeah I've played the one

00:54:12 ◼   ► from the 70s too and then we went on

00:54:14 ◼   ► eBay when we became our own little

00:54:16 ◼   ► family and also bought a set from the

00:54:18 ◼   ► 70s because that's what we were used to

00:54:20 ◼   ► playing the new ones look really weird

00:54:21 ◼   ► yes it was like because the arts the

00:54:23 ◼   ► arts all different now and yeah and this

00:54:25 ◼   ► is this is a French driving game it's

00:54:26 ◼   ► played with cards and you have to get up

00:54:30 ◼   ► to speed and drive and so you get like

00:54:32 ◼   ► these speed cards it's show you how fast

00:54:35 ◼   ► your car is going but then same time you

00:54:37 ◼   ► get sabotages where like your tire gets

00:54:39 ◼   ► flat you run out of gas or and you have

00:54:41 ◼   ► to accomplish a thousand miles that's

00:54:44 ◼   ► yeah it's a meal mi yeah yeah Mille

00:54:49 ◼   ► Bornes 2000 1000 miles yeah and it's all

00:54:52 ◼   ► the games also call a thousand miles in

00:54:53 ◼   ► some places but yeah like France maybe

00:54:57 ◼   ► but yeah so and that too else yeah that

00:55:02 ◼   ► yeah I haven't played in a long time but

00:55:03 ◼   ► I did play it a lot recently together

00:55:05 ◼   ► you know and when we lived above Pizza

00:55:08 ◼   ► Grill so five years ago yeah so yeah ok

00:55:11 ◼   ► so so we played it recently five years

00:55:13 ◼   ► ago and before that like I I had that

00:55:16 ◼   ► game on my Palm Pilot and so I played I

00:55:19 ◼   ► played it a lot I remember like when I

00:55:20 ◼   ► worked at Staples in college I played it

00:55:22 ◼   ► a lot in the staples break room nothing

00:55:25 ◼   ► else to do well meal war is a really

00:55:27 ◼   ► good game so if anyone hasn't played it

00:55:28 ◼   ► and hasn't heard of it I highly suggest

00:55:30 ◼   ► it it's a really fun it's again you can

00:55:32 ◼   ► play with two players so that's really

00:55:34 ◼   ► good yeah it's one of the few it's a

00:55:36 ◼   ► really good rainy afternoon

00:55:37 ◼   ► if you want to teach your kids to it's a

00:55:39 ◼   ► kid-friendly game

00:55:40 ◼   ► yeah and it's and there's a little bit

00:55:42 ◼   ► of a little bit of aggression because

00:55:43 ◼   ► you can't like throw hazards at people

00:55:45 ◼   ► like cuz like you you don't just come

00:55:47 ◼   ► upon a flat tire you're you know wife or

00:55:50 ◼   ► mom gives you the flat tire and yes

00:55:55 ◼   ► anyway it's it's a good game it is not

00:55:58 ◼   ► like - the level of quality oh you know

00:56:00 ◼   ► what we should really talk about

00:56:01 ◼   ► settlers oops

00:56:02 ◼   ► no I don't want to talk about Sadler's

00:56:04 ◼   ► but we if you don't talk about settlers

00:56:07 ◼   ► we're gonna hear from what time is it

00:56:09 ◼   ► well this is the last thing we're

00:56:10 ◼   ► talking about so and then well then

00:56:14 ◼   ► we'll say our list and we'll be done

00:56:15 ◼   ► yeah so settlers settlers we have so

00:56:20 ◼   ► many expansion packs that we've never

00:56:21 ◼   ► ever opened because we play this game

00:56:24 ◼   ► there's and for us and especially I

00:56:26 ◼   ► think for you how we open the show I

00:56:28 ◼   ► guess it's a good way to close the show

00:56:29 ◼   ► is this is a game with tons of chance

00:56:32 ◼   ► yes and so the chance aspect of this

00:56:35 ◼   ► game kind of keeps us from really

00:56:37 ◼   ► enjoying it I like playing it a lot more

00:56:40 ◼   ► than you do because I find that the

00:56:41 ◼   ► chance element actually keeps a little

00:56:43 ◼   ► bit more fun for me but yeah it's not I

00:56:47 ◼   ► I want to play other things more than I

00:56:49 ◼   ► always want to play settlers yeah

00:56:51 ◼   ► settlers to me it's a I say this with

00:56:55 ◼   ► all the good and bad that comes with

00:56:56 ◼   ► this it is the Starbucks of modern geeky

00:57:00 ◼   ► games in the sense that Starbucks kind

00:57:05 ◼   ► of rescued the world in a way and that

00:57:07 ◼   ► they weren't the only ones to do but

00:57:08 ◼   ► they're like the biggest like the

00:57:09 ◼   ► headliners and the most popular who

00:57:11 ◼   ► rescued the world from like the old like

00:57:14 ◼   ► 50s way of just like the cheapest

00:57:16 ◼   ► possible cheap crap Coffee gas station

00:57:19 ◼   ► coffee Folgers etc and they introduced

00:57:21 ◼   ► the world to the concept of you know

00:57:23 ◼   ► what coffee can be better than that and

00:57:25 ◼   ► I don't like Starbucks really I think

00:57:27 ◼   ► you can do way better than Starbucks if

00:57:29 ◼   ► you put some care and effort into it

00:57:30 ◼   ► yourself but I can't deny that Starbucks

00:57:34 ◼   ► has had the effect on the world of

00:57:37 ◼   ► reintroducing the world to good coffee

00:57:39 ◼   ► and I feel like settlers has kind of

00:57:43 ◼   ► done that to boardgames like it geeks

00:57:46 ◼   ► have known about settlers since the late

00:57:48 ◼   ► 90s early 2000s it has come like

00:57:51 ◼   ► our mainstream and I'd say the last you

00:57:53 ◼   ► know five years or so but it's not new

00:57:55 ◼   ► and and it was the game that geeks who

00:57:59 ◼   ► knew about it could use in like 2002 to

00:58:03 ◼   ► introduce the rest of their friends to

00:58:05 ◼   ► the concept of better board games than

00:58:07 ◼   ► monopoly in Candyland you know it's very

00:58:09 ◼   ► accessible board game yeah and so it is

00:58:12 ◼   ► often the first or only modern and geeky

00:58:15 ◼   ► board game that people have played and

00:58:16 ◼   ► so I give a credit for that it does

00:58:19 ◼   ► deserve that credit we loved it in the

00:58:21 ◼   ► beginning you played it a lot and we

00:58:22 ◼   ► really really liked it but then we just

00:58:24 ◼   ► started finding new things yeah I used

00:58:27 ◼   ► to go to Starbucks every day for like a

00:58:29 ◼   ► year I'm gonna Starbucks every day we

00:58:30 ◼   ► still go to Starbucks over on road trips

00:58:32 ◼   ► we have no choice don't tell anybody

00:58:33 ◼   ► sorry I took that picture of you once my

00:58:38 ◼   ► miserable face yeah no I mean Starbucks

00:58:42 ◼   ► you know Starbucks is fine it's not

00:58:44 ◼   ► great it's fine that's what I think

00:58:46 ◼   ► about settlers it's fine

00:58:48 ◼   ► you know it is better than a lot of

00:58:50 ◼   ► games that came before it and it really

00:58:51 ◼   ► does deserve credit for assuring in the

00:58:54 ◼   ► mainstream to the idea of better newer

00:58:58 ◼   ► geekier games than what we all played

00:59:00 ◼   ► growing up but you can do a lot better I

00:59:03 ◼   ► think yeah that makes sense

00:59:06 ◼   ► that's how I feel all right so what you

00:59:08 ◼   ► talk for oh okay so number one I have

00:59:11 ◼   ► Agricola number two I have block as'

00:59:13 ◼   ► number three uh I kind of want to like

00:59:18 ◼   ► dump all the quick board the quick games

00:59:19 ◼   ► all like together like oh so you have

00:59:22 ◼   ► three number three's is that what you're

00:59:24 ◼   ► saying this is going horribly I want to

00:59:28 ◼   ► put balderdash on there but I feel like

00:59:30 ◼   ► I love it so much and no one ever ever

00:59:32 ◼   ► plays it with me it's like it's so hyped

00:59:34 ◼   ► up in my mind I did I'm so nervous about

00:59:37 ◼   ► playing it with other people at this

00:59:39 ◼   ► point because I think it's just gonna go

00:59:41 ◼   ► horribly I'm melting I'm melting okay

00:59:49 ◼   ► Agricola block is balderdash and

00:59:55 ◼   ► Bananagrams that doesn't feel good clue

00:59:55 ◼   ► Bananagrams that doesn't feel good clue

01:00:00 ◼   ► also doesn't feel good power grid

01:00:02 ◼   ► factory manager that you played once did

01:00:05 ◼   ► I played once here we go this this is

01:00:09 ◼   ► how bad I was video games this is how

01:00:11 ◼   ► bad you are at the board game ranking I

01:00:13 ◼   ► feel so bad good like wow okay Agricola

01:00:18 ◼   ► I'm blackest and balderdash and a whole

01:00:22 ◼   ► bunch of others Wow

01:00:24 ◼   ► I love you alright my top four number

01:00:26 ◼   ► one Puerto Rico number 2

01:00:29 ◼   ► Agricola number 3 block s number 4 power

01:00:32 ◼   ► grid Wow see for me it's all about what

01:00:34 ◼   ► didn't make the list

01:00:38 ◼   ► alright now we have some important

01:00:42 ◼   ► follow-up yeah it's now follow-up what

01:00:44 ◼   ► is it oh I don't know news new it is

01:00:46 ◼   ► news I guess yeah good isn't something

01:00:48 ◼   ► we missed you know or got wrong mmm-hmm

01:00:50 ◼   ► so in our last episode so now that's one

01:00:53 ◼   ► to ago right we did an episode on the

01:00:57 ◼   ► the top four worst Weezer singles not

01:01:00 ◼   ► worst Weezer songs the worst songs that

01:01:03 ◼   ► Weezer has that we chose to release as

01:01:05 ◼   ► singles yes for their albums and let me

01:01:09 ◼   ► just say right now we have heard el

01:01:10 ◼   ► Scorcho so many times since that I I'm I

01:01:14 ◼   ► hey I ended the show saying I liked el

01:01:17 ◼   ► Scorcho so I I stopped well I like it

01:01:20 ◼   ► even more now I don't hate it as a song

01:01:23 ◼   ► but it was a terrible choice of a single

01:01:26 ◼   ► for that time like that was yeah anyway

01:01:28 ◼   ► and you keep playing the greatest man

01:01:29 ◼   ► that ever did something or other

01:01:31 ◼   ► yeah in the bathroom anyway it goes

01:01:36 ◼   ► great there so I got stuck in my head

01:01:41 ◼   ► too it's like you know how it's the the

01:01:43 ◼   ► most frustrating thing to have a bad

01:01:44 ◼   ► song stuck in your head it's a bad

01:01:46 ◼   ► single and and to be fair and Weezer

01:01:48 ◼   ► actually is pretty good at releasing bad

01:01:52 ◼   ► songs as singles that gets stuck anyway

01:01:54 ◼   ► so what we're getting around to is that

01:01:56 ◼   ► apparently Weezer released another

01:01:57 ◼   ► single yeah they released a single today

01:01:59 ◼   ► yeah and a whole bunch of people were

01:02:00 ◼   ► tweeting it at us and I started

01:02:02 ◼   ► listening to women on the couch and

01:02:03 ◼   ► Marko runs in he's like no no no stop

01:02:05 ◼   ► because we're gonna listen to it on the

01:02:06 ◼   ► show yeah I don't and I I just could

01:02:09 ◼   ► tell that's what it was

01:02:10 ◼   ► I haven't heard it yet at all except for

01:02:12 ◼   ► like the little bit that you played in

01:02:13 ◼   ► the couch and like that

01:02:13 ◼   ► first about like five seconds yeah so

01:02:18 ◼   ► this is gonna be the first time we are

01:02:19 ◼   ► hearing it at all we're doing it live on

01:02:21 ◼   ► the show okay you're gonna have to put

01:02:24 ◼   ► clips in right yeah

01:02:26 ◼   ► not the whole thing all right let's go

01:02:28 ◼   ► okay I'm ready I'm scared I'm scared of

01:02:32 ◼   ► Amy here we go she's trying to be Eminem

01:02:51 ◼   ► I like it

01:02:57 ◼   ► what's he saying thank God for girls

01:03:05 ◼   ► they just say getting sweaty over rolls

01:03:07 ◼   ► I think so this is terrible

01:03:15 ◼   ► I like it

01:03:24 ◼   ► it's catchy come on is it I like all the

01:03:27 ◼   ► crazy lyrics I think that's the first

01:03:46 ◼   ► time a Ganesha was ever in a song yeah

01:03:56 ◼   ► Wow

01:03:57 ◼   ► that's it I really liked when they were

01:04:01 ◼   ► like rap talking I like that part

01:04:06 ◼   ► I like when all of a sudden they throw

01:04:08 ◼   ► in a lyric that doesn't rhyme or just

01:04:12 ◼   ► like stops everything kind of dead in

01:04:14 ◼   ► its musical tracks I think that's really

01:04:16 ◼   ► finally that's a very Weezer of them

01:04:18 ◼   ► they do that a lot that see to me I kind

01:04:23 ◼   ► of like it

01:04:23 ◼   ► I don't think that was bad enough to

01:04:26 ◼   ► make my top four worst singles no I it's

01:04:28 ◼   ► too it's too catchy mmm yes you to me

01:04:32 ◼   ► maybe it's only cuz I only heard it once

01:04:33 ◼   ► I don't care for the subject matter the

01:04:36 ◼   ► whole thank God for girls things what

01:04:39 ◼   ► about the cannolis in echinacea I don't

01:04:41 ◼   ► know I like a hope I like words so I had

01:04:46 ◼   ► a lot of words I like a lot of words yes

01:04:48 ◼   ► they can guarantee you that there were a

01:04:49 ◼   ► lot of words in that song besides I hear

01:04:52 ◼   ► this again that's not gonna happen right

01:04:54 ◼   ► now

01:04:55 ◼   ► oh yeah not right now but I think I

01:04:57 ◼   ► would listen to it again so I don't

01:04:58 ◼   ► think I would put it on my top four

01:05:00 ◼   ► I wouldn't even play it in the bathroom

01:05:02 ◼   ► whoa be it be it not because it's worse

01:05:05 ◼   ► than the greatest man who ever lived but

01:05:07 ◼   ► because it has nothing going for it like

01:05:09 ◼   ► it is it the greatest man that ever

01:05:11 ◼   ► lived is at least somewhat catchy at

01:05:13 ◼   ► least get stuck in your head I like this

01:05:14 ◼   ► because I like Macklemore and like that

01:05:16 ◼   ► kind of stuff and you don't like that so

01:05:18 ◼   ► right right you're not gonna like this

01:05:20 ◼   ► right like they are doing what is more

01:05:22 ◼   ► likely to be popular today and I give

01:05:24 ◼   ► them credit for that because they are

01:05:26 ◼   ► keeping themselves relatively Road

01:05:27 ◼   ► relevant I feel like they're keeping

01:05:28 ◼   ► themselves modern but they're kind of

01:05:30 ◼   ► sticking to who they are with their

01:05:32 ◼   ► quirkiness and thence a lot like

01:05:34 ◼   ► barenaked ladies kind of thing where

01:05:36 ◼   ► it's

01:05:37 ◼   ► lot of lyrics sometimes it sounds like

01:05:40 ◼   ► it doesn't make sense together it's kind

01:05:41 ◼   ► of nerdy it's I really like it but

01:05:45 ◼   ► they're a little bit more rock than make

01:05:47 ◼   ► it then barely a few ladies but like our

01:05:49 ◼   ► is I don't know what is that

01:05:51 ◼   ► I think if you're if you're if you're

01:05:52 ◼   ► English then like companies and bands if

01:05:55 ◼   ► are plural right but if you're American

01:05:57 ◼   ► and they're singular

01:05:57 ◼   ► I don't know when a band's name is

01:05:59 ◼   ► barenaked ladies that's yeah but they're

01:06:02 ◼   ► one band it's pretty second hands know

01:06:04 ◼   ► ladies right sometimes they're naked

01:06:06 ◼   ► though yeah anyway so I like it I think

01:06:11 ◼   ► it lacks what usually makes Weezer songs

01:06:14 ◼   ► catchy and memorable

01:06:16 ◼   ► it is neither I would say it's neither

01:06:17 ◼   ► of those things really I think it fits

01:06:19 ◼   ► into the whole modern music stuff this

01:06:21 ◼   ► stuff that's coming out now that people

01:06:22 ◼   ► really like that's fair so I don't think

01:06:24 ◼   ► it's a bad choice I mean and we haven't

01:06:27 ◼   ► we haven't heard much the album yet but

01:06:28 ◼   ► it's like one sweater song came out

01:06:29 ◼   ► sweater song was super weird but it fit

01:06:31 ◼   ► into the grunge culture that it came out

01:06:33 ◼   ► of so that's why I never made our list

01:06:36 ◼   ► it's a weird single but it fit when it

01:06:39 ◼   ► came out but sweater song I would say

01:06:42 ◼   ► sweater song was a much better song than

01:06:43 ◼   ► this

01:06:43 ◼   ► yes sweater song wasn't much better song

01:06:46 ◼   ► but you also don't like modern music you

01:06:49 ◼   ► old man that's true