Top Four

00:00:00 ◼   ► hi everyone back at top four central

00:00:03 ◼   ► here in our office I don't know I don't

00:00:09 ◼   ► know it's been a month we were high on

00:00:12 ◼   ► donuts last time and now we're back

00:00:13 ◼   ► buzzing caffeine before that very

00:00:16 ◼   ► special top for this month cuz

00:00:19 ◼   ► apparently we're now a monthly podcast

00:00:21 ◼   ► something like that something like that

00:00:24 ◼   ► and we are going to be discussing our

00:00:28 ◼   ► top four

00:00:36 ◼   ► [Applause]

00:00:41 ◼   ► anyway we're gonna be we have two

00:00:43 ◼   ► special guests two special guests and

00:00:45 ◼   ► their last name is Margot take it away

00:00:50 ◼   ► siracusa good enough but usually every

00:00:54 ◼   ► time someone says that you say good

00:00:55 ◼   ► enough near Liza I was telling TIFF that

00:00:57 ◼   ► she was going farther and farther away I

00:00:59 ◼   ► probably say it wrong Tina how do you

00:01:02 ◼   ► say it

00:01:02 ◼   ► syracusa did I say that wrong inside her

00:01:10 ◼   ► head about it she's gonna get all

00:01:11 ◼   ► self-conscious about it she this is not

00:01:13 ◼   ► a problem so you guys are making it a

00:01:14 ◼   ► problem let's see you've never said that

00:01:16 ◼   ► any pronunciation of it was correct you

00:01:18 ◼   ► only ever say like good enough or that's

00:01:20 ◼   ► fine or whatever it's never correct but

00:01:22 ◼   ► you won't say it either

00:01:23 ◼   ► oh damn Benjamin said it right I have a

00:01:25 ◼   ► recording of him saying it right and

00:01:27 ◼   ► Tina just said it fine whatever we have

00:01:36 ◼   ► two of these people on the other end to

00:01:39 ◼   ► discuss our our top four favorite Star

00:01:43 ◼   ► Wars films hey this should be

00:01:46 ◼   ► interesting

00:01:47 ◼   ► I would imagine at least John I know you

00:01:51 ◼   ► have strong opinions Tina I imagine you

00:01:53 ◼   ► probably do too

00:01:53 ◼   ► sure different scene different opinions

00:01:58 ◼   ► well yeah and that's what makes the show

00:02:00 ◼   ► interesting well we decided on our show

00:02:02 ◼   ► after we had Mike and Adina on that we

00:02:04 ◼   ► are going to be doing couples only so we

00:02:05 ◼   ► convinced Tina Sara cue said Sara close

00:02:08 ◼   ► enough to join us sir close enough close

00:02:11 ◼   ► enough to join us

00:02:13 ◼   ► and usually we like to provide our

00:02:15 ◼   ► guests with the steak dinner before we

00:02:16 ◼   ► record but since you guys are up in your

00:02:19 ◼   ► own state and we are down in our state

00:02:21 ◼   ► that that was not possible this time but

00:02:24 ◼   ► no fair yeah anyway so I believe

00:02:29 ◼   ► somebody has some rules for our podcast

00:02:32 ◼   ► and it's not us someone's gotta have

00:02:35 ◼   ► rules that one was a very upset and sent

00:02:38 ◼   ► like 23 lines of instant messages this

00:02:41 ◼   ► morning about rules he won this 10

00:02:46 ◼   ► devices can drift off course let's say

00:02:50 ◼   ► I'm trying to give you guys some

00:02:53 ◼   ► boundaries and I have a way that I think

00:02:54 ◼   ► this show could go so as opposed to the

00:02:57 ◼   ► past few episodes where you guys talk

00:02:59 ◼   ► about all your choices kind of all at

00:03:01 ◼   ► the same time I thought we would go

00:03:03 ◼   ► around in a structured style and start

00:03:06 ◼   ► with our number one picks and then

00:03:07 ◼   ► number two number three in each of us we

00:03:09 ◼   ► got to say whatever we want about our

00:03:10 ◼   ► number picks and then when we all do our

00:03:12 ◼   ► number four is we will be done that

00:03:17 ◼   ► sounds like a great ideal this idea is

00:03:22 ◼   ► not out of reach we'll see okay my

00:03:26 ◼   ► captain I'm ready let's go yeah and I do

00:03:30 ◼   ► have a brief opening statement on

00:03:34 ◼   ► picking a top horse though I'm shocked

00:03:37 ◼   ► for I'm sure if you listen to the show

00:03:39 ◼   ► you've listened to it before you know

00:03:40 ◼   ► what it's like the whole idea on this is

00:03:43 ◼   ► like Marco has his top four ntfs most of

00:03:46 ◼   ► the time and yeah well you know in

00:03:48 ◼   ► theory but the idea that they have

00:03:50 ◼   ► separate lists is the clue to what this

00:03:52 ◼   ► show is about we're going to list our

00:03:55 ◼   ► favorite things favorites can vary from

00:03:57 ◼   ► person to person this top four has never

00:03:59 ◼   ► been a show about what is the best

00:04:01 ◼   ► whatever because then you'd be trying to

00:04:03 ◼   ► find some consensus instead it's

00:04:05 ◼   ► individually what is your top four what

00:04:07 ◼   ► is my top four all this is to say that

00:04:09 ◼   ► as we go through these lists keep in

00:04:10 ◼   ► mind that these are favorites and not

00:04:12 ◼   ► bests and this is a distinction that is

00:04:15 ◼   ► not often made by the show but

00:04:16 ◼   ► implicitly this entire show is about

00:04:17 ◼   ► favorites so if one of us picks a

00:04:20 ◼   ► favorite that you think it's crazy

00:04:22 ◼   ► because movie X is better and let me

00:04:24 ◼   ► tell you why remember it's not about

00:04:26 ◼   ► best it's about a favorite and favorite

00:04:28 ◼   ► is an entirely personal thing that's all

00:04:30 ◼   ► I want to say in trying to preempt all

00:04:32 ◼   ► the the potentially angry people here

00:04:34 ◼   ► well thank you that actually kind of

00:04:36 ◼   ► solidified one of my choices because I

00:04:37 ◼   ► had a little double arrow and a question

00:04:40 ◼   ► mark for my number two and three I'm

00:04:43 ◼   ► glad you said that because my favorite

00:04:45 ◼   ► is actually Attack of the Clones

00:04:51 ◼   ► then we need we need an order

00:04:53 ◼   ► Jason El style if we're gonna have a

00:04:54 ◼   ► draft we could have we could I have an

00:04:56 ◼   ► order so I guess you know you guys

00:04:58 ◼   ► should pick who's gonna go for a second

00:04:59 ◼   ► third and fourth and then we can decide

00:05:01 ◼   ► when we get to the end if we're gonna do

00:05:02 ◼   ► a snake draft I feel like someone needs

00:05:04 ◼   ► to open up a spreadsheet at this point I

00:05:05 ◼   ► don't know what a snake is I don't know

00:05:07 ◼   ► what to think is it in the parking lot

00:05:09 ◼   ► you guys have been compromised thanks or

00:05:12 ◼   ► you know your sports names I guess well

00:05:14 ◼   ► I guess we'd have to fire off our

00:05:16 ◼   ► spoiler dong for this episode just in

00:05:19 ◼   ► case anyone listening hasn't seen you

00:05:23 ◼   ► know the Star Wars movies for some

00:05:25 ◼   ► insane reason but stop listening now if

00:05:28 ◼   ► you have seen them because if you have

00:05:30 ◼   ► seen them let me know

00:05:32 ◼   ► wait thanks Tina stop listening now if

00:05:34 ◼   ► you have seen them because we're

00:05:36 ◼   ► probably going to just make you angry or

00:05:40 ◼   ► you haven't seen them regardless ya

00:05:43 ◼   ► listener here and John before we get

00:05:46 ◼   ► started you you seem to have a strong

00:05:48 ◼   ► opinion that we should go best to worst

00:05:50 ◼   ► and that a lot most of the time I think

00:05:51 ◼   ► we go the opposite direction what why

00:05:53 ◼   ► did you why do you think we should do it

00:05:54 ◼   ► from best to worst because I think there

00:05:56 ◼   ► is general consensus among the listeners

00:05:58 ◼   ► if not among the panelists about the

00:06:01 ◼   ► best but as you start tailing towards

00:06:02 ◼   ► the end of the four it gets sketchier so

00:06:05 ◼   ► I think the more dramatic choices are

00:06:07 ◼   ► towards the bottom than the top all of a

00:06:09 ◼   ► sudden we're all official and panelists

00:06:11 ◼   ► this is that we have somebody here to

00:06:13 ◼   ► put some structure in this show because

00:06:15 ◼   ► normally we don't you know that or

00:06:17 ◼   ► you'll never invite them back a little

00:06:20 ◼   ► bit of a break is like when you've got a

00:06:21 ◼   ► whole bunch of cups full of coffee and

00:06:22 ◼   ► you're in a public place and you know

00:06:24 ◼   ► that's can be chaotic and you've got a

00:06:25 ◼   ► whole bunch of donuts on a table it's

00:06:27 ◼   ► hard to keep it together but I'm not you

00:06:30 ◼   ► know the old style format where you're

00:06:32 ◼   ► not stuffing your faces and making

00:06:33 ◼   ► yourself sick to your stomach and

00:06:36 ◼   ► teasing your poor child while you eat

00:06:38 ◼   ► doughnuts in front of I just had an

00:06:40 ◼   ► amazing idea

00:06:40 ◼   ► something that we can do next time you

00:06:42 ◼   ► guys are in person with us jarred tomato

00:06:44 ◼   ► sauces your tomato sauce and I'll make

00:06:53 ◼   ► my de Pape tomato and sneak him into the

00:06:55 ◼   ► rank yeah all right i-i've Oh Tina goes

00:07:08 ◼   ► first

00:07:08 ◼   ► I don't agree somebody has to go first

00:07:13 ◼   ► okay

00:07:14 ◼   ► I'll go first all right dudes my number

00:07:20 ◼   ► one pick four favorite Star Wars movie

00:07:23 ◼   ► not best favorite is the force awakens

00:07:27 ◼   ► actually it is my favorite Star Wars

00:07:30 ◼   ► movie officially I freaking love this

00:07:32 ◼   ► movie cannot wait to see it again fifty

00:07:35 ◼   ► thousand more times it was just great

00:07:38 ◼   ► and the reason I chose it as my first

00:07:40 ◼   ► pick is because it has tons of diversity

00:07:43 ◼   ► it has like powerful women in in roles

00:07:46 ◼   ► that you know they before weren't

00:07:48 ◼   ► playing and I love the whole as you know

00:07:52 ◼   ► all the podcasts have spoken over and

00:07:53 ◼   ► over again about the details of the

00:07:55 ◼   ► movie but the you know don't hold my

00:07:57 ◼   ► head like why are you holding my hand

00:07:59 ◼   ► just like small little details about her

00:08:01 ◼   ► character about the character of Rey

00:08:04 ◼   ► being just such a competent amazing

00:08:07 ◼   ► woman that does not lose any clothing

00:08:09 ◼   ► during the movie that is like I love

00:08:13 ◼   ► that has every other movie women always

00:08:15 ◼   ► lose clothing like every time they're in

00:08:18 ◼   ► some sort of action movie and she

00:08:19 ◼   ► actually gets to be the hero the concept

00:08:22 ◼   ► of the force makes her equally powerful

00:08:25 ◼   ► to the men when they are doing battle so

00:08:28 ◼   ► you're not really saying like wow that

00:08:29 ◼   ► woman couldn't really do that she

00:08:31 ◼   ► doesn't have enough strength well the

00:08:32 ◼   ► force gives them the strength so they

00:08:33 ◼   ► are able and equal and I just absolutely

00:08:37 ◼   ► love that

00:08:38 ◼   ► and it's it has a lot of throwback to

00:08:41 ◼   ► the older movies but at the same time it

00:08:43 ◼   ► brings like a fresh perspective so I

00:08:46 ◼   ► just really enjoyed it as a new modern

00:08:49 ◼   ► Star Wars and I just loved it and this

00:08:52 ◼   ► is coming from someone who I want to say

00:08:54 ◼   ► I do have a history with Star Wars and I

00:08:56 ◼   ► really love the original movies so this

00:09:00 ◼   ► one being my favorite is pretty big it's

00:09:02 ◼   ► my question for you is when like before

00:09:04 ◼   ► you saw the movie like were you were you

00:09:07 ◼   ► like watching the trailers and getting

00:09:08 ◼   ► excited about it or you were just like

00:09:10 ◼   ► oh I guess they're making another Star

00:09:11 ◼   ► Wars movie maybe it'll be good like what

00:09:12 ◼   ► was your what was your lead-up to

00:09:14 ◼   ► watching this movie I was so burned by

00:09:17 ◼   ► the by the prequels that I really didn't

00:09:21 ◼   ► care that they were making a new Star

00:09:23 ◼   ► Wars movie because I hated the prequels

00:09:26 ◼   ► so much so obviously they're not gonna

00:09:27 ◼   ► be on my list spoiler dawg but you know

00:09:30 ◼   ► they were just so terrible that they

00:09:32 ◼   ► kind of ruined Star Wars for me for a

00:09:34 ◼   ► long time and I just kind of stopped

00:09:36 ◼   ► watching the original movies because I

00:09:38 ◼   ► didn't like those and so the idea of a

00:09:41 ◼   ► new one I was just like oh there's gonna

00:09:42 ◼   ► ruin it again so I think that the I and

00:09:45 ◼   ► I watched one of the trailers and I was

00:09:47 ◼   ► like well it looked pretty good but I

00:09:49 ◼   ► still wasn't excited so maybe going from

00:09:51 ◼   ► the whole idea and mental state of I'm

00:09:54 ◼   ► gonna hate this movie and they're just

00:09:56 ◼   ► gonna continue to ruin Star Wars - oh my

00:09:59 ◼   ► gosh this movie was amazing it kicks so

00:10:01 ◼   ► much butt and I just want to see it

00:10:03 ◼   ► constantly like the factor we saw it I'm

00:10:05 ◼   ► like I want to turn around and go see it

00:10:07 ◼   ► again if we wouldn't have to pick up our

00:10:08 ◼   ► son from preschool we would have totally

00:10:11 ◼   ► been in there watching the movie again

00:10:13 ◼   ► don't you agree Margo oh yeah I mean and

00:10:16 ◼   ► this is I I have this movie very high on

00:10:19 ◼   ► my list as well yeah it so pumped like

00:10:21 ◼   ► it got me so pumped and it made me love

00:10:23 ◼   ► Star Wars again and I think that that's

00:10:25 ◼   ► why it's my number one it's because it

00:10:26 ◼   ► it reinvigorated my love for the whole

00:10:29 ◼   ► franchise and we went back and we

00:10:32 ◼   ► watched all the movies again and it just

00:10:33 ◼   ► it made my my heart full of Star Wars

00:10:38 ◼   ► nerd eree again and I think that that's

00:10:40 ◼   ► why I respect it so much I have a

00:10:43 ◼   ► similar impression of the force awakens

00:10:45 ◼   ► I I also had no expectations of it I

00:10:49 ◼   ► didn't know anything about it because I

00:10:50 ◼   ► had been burned by the prequels and

00:10:51 ◼   ► because I wasn't that big of a Star Wars

00:10:53 ◼   ► nerd like I liked the movies I saw the

00:10:55 ◼   ► movies but I hadn't seen any of them

00:10:57 ◼   ► recently and I'm not that much into them

00:10:59 ◼   ► and so I didn't know anything about this

00:11:02 ◼   ► going in I didn't know which actors

00:11:04 ◼   ► would be in it I didn't I didn't know

00:11:06 ◼   ► anything about it I

00:11:07 ◼   ► I do I wasn't reading spoilers I wasn't

00:11:09 ◼   ► even watching the trailers I knew

00:11:10 ◼   ► nothing about it

00:11:11 ◼   ► and so going into it knowing nothing and

00:11:13 ◼   ► being so incredibly blown away by how

00:11:16 ◼   ► good it was and how just how how

00:11:19 ◼   ► entertaining it was how well done it

00:11:21 ◼   ► wasn't mean this has been well covered

00:11:22 ◼   ► on other podcast many books you've been

00:11:24 ◼   ► on John OH

00:11:25 ◼   ► so you know I don't thing we need to go

00:11:27 ◼   ► over in great detail why exactly it is

00:11:30 ◼   ► so amazing but I just think it blew me

00:11:33 ◼   ► away and how good it was and I would

00:11:36 ◼   ► actually have it as my number one almost

00:11:38 ◼   ► I think if I had to just rank right now

00:11:41 ◼   ► my favorite I think I might do you have

00:11:43 ◼   ► to rank right now consult your list

00:11:48 ◼   ► you're you're beautiful I phone I have a

00:11:52 ◼   ► list on the iPhone in my hand and I so

00:11:54 ◼   ► my I had initially written down Empire

00:11:57 ◼   ► Strikes Back is my number one and then

00:11:59 ◼   ► the force awakens and my number two

00:12:01 ◼   ► you're doing the reason why I that's my

00:12:05 ◼   ► job on the show is to ruin to ruin

00:12:07 ◼   ► whatever structure there might have been

00:12:08 ◼   ► so the reason why I I have a hard time

00:12:11 ◼   ► eccentric these two is that III just

00:12:14 ◼   ► think it might be too early in the force

00:12:16 ◼   ► awakens to declare it my number one

00:12:19 ◼   ► because like it hasn't aged it we

00:12:21 ◼   ► haven't we haven't had a chance for like

00:12:22 ◼   ► the excitement to just settle down from

00:12:24 ◼   ► it but the show is happening right now

00:12:27 ◼   ► this is when you're making the choice

00:12:29 ◼   ► this is it you know we're not gonna

00:12:30 ◼   ► submit this into your bio here and

00:12:33 ◼   ► you're like you have to stick to this

00:12:34 ◼   ► list it just it feels dangerous to

00:12:37 ◼   ► because it had that film not come out

00:12:40 ◼   ► yet or at all Empire would be my number

00:12:42 ◼   ► one like probably many Star Wars fans

00:12:43 ◼   ► but I think the excitement of that is so

00:12:47 ◼   ► strong right now that it's easy for me

00:12:48 ◼   ► to say that's my number one now but I

00:12:50 ◼   ► might regret that in like a year because

00:12:52 ◼   ► I've only seen it you know we've only

00:12:53 ◼   ► seen it twice and it's coming out in

00:12:55 ◼   ► video soon and so we'll probably see it

00:12:57 ◼   ► again soon we could have paid 6 bucks to

00:12:59 ◼   ► watch it again on the plane really

00:13:01 ◼   ► you're just done yeah I might have done

00:13:03 ◼   ► that actually that's on those crappy

00:13:05 ◼   ► little screens but yeah so alright so

00:13:08 ◼   ► you know what you've convinced me screw

00:13:10 ◼   ► it that's my number one force awakens

00:13:11 ◼   ► BAM

00:13:12 ◼   ► peer pressure wife pressure well I

00:13:15 ◼   ► wanted to put it but I knew you'd make

00:13:16 ◼   ► fun of me and and I I thought like again

00:13:18 ◼   ► he's like I didn't want to know

00:13:20 ◼   ► I I didn't want to to jump the gun on

00:13:24 ◼   ► judging it so highly no I understand

00:13:26 ◼   ► where you're coming from that plays into

00:13:28 ◼   ► where I have force awakens is the fact

00:13:31 ◼   ► that it is new and I've only seen it a

00:13:33 ◼   ► few times so it's hard to know if it has

00:13:35 ◼   ► staying power or not exactly well it

00:13:38 ◼   ► sounds like it's your turn then Tina so

00:13:39 ◼   ► my number one is has a lot to do with

00:13:43 ◼   ► nostalgia reasons and seeing it as a kid

00:13:46 ◼   ► but my favorite is is a new hope I just

00:13:48 ◼   ► remember as a kid just any time I saw it

00:13:51 ◼   ► on TV I was watching it didn't matter if

00:13:53 ◼   ► it was 15 minutes in I were in if it was

00:13:55 ◼   ► on TV I was watching it my parents at

00:13:58 ◼   ► various points in time had cable but not

00:14:00 ◼   ► all the time but I just have distinct

00:14:02 ◼   ► memories of having cable at one point in

00:14:05 ◼   ► time and having like those HBO free

00:14:08 ◼   ► preview weekend type things and I just

00:14:10 ◼   ► remember one weekend that Star Wars was

00:14:13 ◼   ► on and HBO was free and I must have

00:14:16 ◼   ► spent the whole weekend watching Star

00:14:18 ◼   ► Wars because that's all I wanted to

00:14:20 ◼   ► watch I just it's the first movie it's

00:14:22 ◼   ► it's you know sets up the whole universe

00:14:25 ◼   ► of Star Wars and the characters and it's

00:14:28 ◼   ► just sort of it's a new beginning

00:14:30 ◼   ► there's just something about new things

00:14:32 ◼   ► that there's there's so much hope for

00:14:34 ◼   ► what's gonna happen later in the story

00:14:36 ◼   ► and you're just all excited about it so

00:14:38 ◼   ► just like for a nostalgia reasons like

00:14:39 ◼   ► that's just my all-time favorite even to

00:14:41 ◼   ► this day if it's on I have a hard time

00:14:43 ◼   ► not watching it if it's on so when like

00:14:47 ◼   ► Alex was going through his Star Wars

00:14:49 ◼   ► phase of watching the movie over and

00:14:50 ◼   ► over again I suppose I didn't watch it

00:14:53 ◼   ► all the time but I watched it a lot more

00:14:56 ◼   ► than I probably had time for how old was

00:14:59 ◼   ► Alex when you guys started him watching

00:15:01 ◼   ► Star Wars

00:15:01 ◼   ► it was around kindergarten so has he

00:15:05 ◼   ► seen the prequels yet um he's a really

00:15:08 ◼   ► delicate parenting question he hasn't

00:15:11 ◼   ► seen the prequels in this house I don't

00:15:15 ◼   ► know he does the friends house it yeah

00:15:17 ◼   ► like a sleepover or something and they

00:15:18 ◼   ► showed Revenge of the Sith I think is

00:15:20 ◼   ► that the one they should I think that's

00:15:21 ◼   ► the one he saw and then I think John

00:15:22 ◼   ► showed him the Darth Maul fight scene

00:15:25 ◼   ► yeah I have that clipped out as I turned

00:15:27 ◼   ► that when he was very young that the

00:15:29 ◼   ► lightsaber fight from the Phantom Menace

00:15:30 ◼   ► with I care that we don't care about

00:15:32 ◼   ► with with the Jar Jar

00:15:33 ◼   ► things like cut out of it so it's just

00:15:35 ◼   ► it's just the fight scene no dialogue so

00:15:37 ◼   ► out of curiosity so so suppose Alex is

00:15:40 ◼   ► at a friend's house at a sleepover or

00:15:42 ◼   ► something would you rather they

00:15:45 ◼   ► accidentally see the Phantom Menace in

00:15:48 ◼   ► its entirety or somebody has a beer

00:15:52 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:15:55 ◼   ► drinking beer wouldn't I always wouldn't

00:15:59 ◼   ► drink the beer and he's gonna watch the

00:16:05 ◼   ► movie eventually he know he'll be he'll

00:16:07 ◼   ► be bored of it he knows he's not allowed

00:16:09 ◼   ► to see it here and it bothers him watch

00:16:12 ◼   ► like the whole movie on YouTube by now

00:16:14 ◼   ► you realize like what he does is you

00:16:15 ◼   ► know YouTube they don't let the entire

00:16:17 ◼   ► movie be up because of their copyright

00:16:18 ◼   ► restrictions things that people do like

00:16:20 ◼   ► fan edits and put them on YouTube and

00:16:22 ◼   ► that's what he watches so he's seen all

00:16:24 ◼   ► these weird cut up versions of the movie

00:16:26 ◼   ► which it's fine because now it's just

00:16:28 ◼   ► like it's just as big a mishmash as the

00:16:29 ◼   ► actual movie so now Tina when you and

00:16:34 ◼   ► John like first met was Star Wars

00:16:37 ◼   ► something that you guys first bonded

00:16:38 ◼   ► over or did that come later on that you

00:16:41 ◼   ► discovered your mutual love for Star

00:16:43 ◼   ► Wars I don't think it was anything we

00:16:45 ◼   ► first bonded over I think we just had

00:16:48 ◼   ► both assume that everybody already love

00:16:49 ◼   ► Star Wars and so did we yeah I mean like

00:16:51 ◼   ► we did go through the whole when they

00:16:55 ◼   ► did the release of the original trilogy

00:16:58 ◼   ► we were in college then yeah yeah yeah

00:17:01 ◼   ► late 90s right yes so we would go to the

00:17:04 ◼   ► quote unquote best theater in Boston to

00:17:08 ◼   ► go you know it's called the sherry I

00:17:09 ◼   ► don't even think it exists anymore but

00:17:12 ◼   ► you know we stood in line we you know to

00:17:14 ◼   ► go to those movies on opening night and

00:17:16 ◼   ► you know so I saw the first three and

00:17:19 ◼   ► actually ended up seeing Phantom Menace

00:17:20 ◼   ► there too when that came out but I mean

00:17:24 ◼   ► yeah I mean I was always a fan of Star

00:17:25 ◼   ► Wars I don't know that it was something

00:17:26 ◼   ► we talked about in our mutual you know

00:17:30 ◼   ► making sure we could date each other we

00:17:33 ◼   ► had to make sure that liked all the same

00:17:36 ◼   ► things or whatnot so yeah we didn't bond

00:17:38 ◼   ► over it but if you would have seen the

00:17:41 ◼   ► Phantom Menace on your first date do you

00:17:44 ◼   ► think you would have been able to

00:17:45 ◼   ► continue their relationship

00:17:47 ◼   ► well probably considering our first date

00:17:50 ◼   ► was on a boat well no no I'm meaning

00:17:55 ◼   ► John motion sickness right so if we

00:17:59 ◼   ► could Johnny grew up on an island

00:18:02 ◼   ► floating you know it's ground it's like

00:18:06 ◼   ► a whole island you know like it's

00:18:07 ◼   ► there's boats everywhere all around I

00:18:09 ◼   ► know I took some lessons as a kid we

00:18:11 ◼   ► have a little sunfish thing well it was

00:18:13 ◼   ► it was a phantom that a sunfish but

00:18:14 ◼   ► anyway no I know it was not a menace it

00:18:20 ◼   ► was just a fact maybe there's a menace

00:18:24 ◼   ► to you I've learned to sail on it it's

00:18:27 ◼   ► you know I had no problem with that

00:18:29 ◼   ► okay all right Jim what's your number

00:18:32 ◼   ► one everyone knows what my number one is

00:18:34 ◼   ► because I've been on a million Star Wars

00:18:35 ◼   ► podcast but if you've never heard me I'm

00:18:37 ◼   ► one of those that my number one it just

00:18:38 ◼   ► happens to also be the best Star Wars

00:18:41 ◼   ► movie but that's not why I'm thinking I

00:18:42 ◼   ► think it because it's my favorite that's

00:18:44 ◼   ► the Empire Strikes Back what more can I

00:18:48 ◼   ► say about the Empire Strikes Back Marco

00:18:49 ◼   ► will dutifully put in the shownotes many

00:18:51 ◼   ► hours of me talking about this movie I

00:18:53 ◼   ► will show no I think you just signed

00:19:03 ◼   ► yourself up for the show knows Jim

00:19:04 ◼   ► congratulations Casey when I need them

00:19:09 ◼   ► Empire like so it's hard for me to talk

00:19:12 ◼   ► about why is my hair without getting

00:19:14 ◼   ► into why I think it's better than for

00:19:15 ◼   ► example a new hope it benefits from

00:19:17 ◼   ► being the middle movie because you don't

00:19:18 ◼   ► have to introduce all the characters you

00:19:20 ◼   ► already know them you already like them

00:19:21 ◼   ► because a good movie came before it that

00:19:23 ◼   ► made you know them and like them it I

00:19:26 ◼   ► think it takes it's sort of if you saw

00:19:29 ◼   ► if you're similar age to I am and you

00:19:30 ◼   ► saw these movies sort of as they were

00:19:34 ◼   ► were created Empire aged with the

00:19:37 ◼   ► generation of kids that might have seen

00:19:39 ◼   ► Star Wars so now it was a little they're

00:19:41 ◼   ► a little bit older and Empire was a

00:19:43 ◼   ► little more sophisticated the sort of

00:19:46 ◼   ► relationships were less Disney a little

00:19:49 ◼   ► bit slightly more adult the fear factor

00:19:51 ◼   ► was cranked up instead of you

00:19:54 ◼   ► Vader just being a big tough guy now

00:19:57 ◼   ► you're really scared for these heroes

00:19:58 ◼   ► that you care about there are actually

00:20:00 ◼   ► some genuinely scary moments with Yoda

00:20:02 ◼   ► and you're worried about Luke there's

00:20:03 ◼   ► dismemberment and it's not played off at

00:20:06 ◼   ► the same kind of light way as it is in

00:20:08 ◼   ► Star Wars where like in the cantina

00:20:10 ◼   ► scene yeah the guy gets his arm chopped

00:20:11 ◼   ► off but this is Luke man because his

00:20:13 ◼   ► hand chopped off and of course you know

00:20:15 ◼   ► Vader chin has to be it turns out to be

00:20:16 ◼   ► his father and all that stuff really

00:20:19 ◼   ► this I feel like Empire is the heart of

00:20:21 ◼   ► the entire franchise for me as far as

00:20:22 ◼   ► I'm concerned all the stuff and dig

00:20:24 ◼   ► about all the stuff with Yoda all

00:20:26 ◼   ► setting up the this struggle with Luke

00:20:29 ◼   ► because the first movie was like you

00:20:31 ◼   ► know sort of the the on-ramp to look

00:20:33 ◼   ► like he's a farm boy and then he becomes

00:20:35 ◼   ► us here or whatever but it's all in one

00:20:36 ◼   ► direction Empire is like but where is

00:20:38 ◼   ► this really going because you can't have

00:20:39 ◼   ► just Luke come and he's gonna try and

00:20:41 ◼   ► forget and again like it's a James Bond

00:20:43 ◼   ► movie where all you do is what make

00:20:44 ◼   ► another Star Wars movie and at the

00:20:45 ◼   ► beginning the Star Wars movie Luke is

00:20:46 ◼   ► there and he's our hero and he wins in

00:20:47 ◼   ► the end

00:20:48 ◼   ► Star Wars is not James Bond so Empire

00:20:51 ◼   ► really sets all that up and just

00:20:52 ◼   ► everything about it is wonderful the all

00:20:55 ◼   ► the actors look the best they've ever

00:20:56 ◼   ► looked in the entire series their

00:20:57 ◼   ► performances are amazing the set

00:21:00 ◼   ► dressing the outfits and everything all

00:21:02 ◼   ► all the locations just that's just what

00:21:06 ◼   ► Star Wars is to me the Imperial March

00:21:07 ◼   ► makes its first appearance in this movie

00:21:09 ◼   ► it's the song that I hear my young

00:21:11 ◼   ► children humming to themselves the most

00:21:13 ◼   ► not like the Star Wars theme that TIFF

00:21:15 ◼   ► tried on before they hum the Imperial

00:21:19 ◼   ► March themselves people don't realize

00:21:20 ◼   ► that that song was not in Star Wars it

00:21:22 ◼   ► came from Empire Strikes Back I really

00:21:25 ◼   ► like this movie it's my number one it's

00:21:26 ◼   ► awesome so I was on the fence to whether

00:21:30 ◼   ► to make this my number two or my number

00:21:32 ◼   ► three because I also loved Empire very

00:21:36 ◼   ► much Hoth for the Hoth planet scene was

00:21:38 ◼   ► actually the first Star Wars we showed

00:21:40 ◼   ► Adam during the blizzard this year I was

00:21:43 ◼   ► trying to find every movie or anything

00:21:44 ◼   ► with like a whole bunch of snow in it

00:21:46 ◼   ► and I'm like you know what I'm gonna

00:21:47 ◼   ► show him with like you know the snow

00:21:49 ◼   ► planet with the Imperial walkers is that

00:21:51 ◼   ► we like fast forwarded through a couple

00:21:52 ◼   ► parts of it but that was it and he cried

00:21:55 ◼   ► when we turned it off because you show

00:21:57 ◼   ► him the shining through parts of it yeah

00:22:03 ◼   ► fast forward to the creepy parts no no

00:22:06 ◼   ► he loved it

00:22:07 ◼   ► and he cried when we turned it off

00:22:08 ◼   ► because he wanted to see more of it was

00:22:10 ◼   ► so upset he was so mad and we're like

00:22:12 ◼   ► you know I don't think you're ready for

00:22:13 ◼   ► this because like I turned it on

00:22:14 ◼   ► thinking like oh I love the ha splat

00:22:16 ◼   ► it's like I love that opening I think

00:22:18 ◼   ► that's so great I think there's so many

00:22:20 ◼   ► like iconic moments in the beginning of

00:22:22 ◼   ► that movie that it just it's it just

00:22:26 ◼   ► rings back so many memories to me of you

00:22:29 ◼   ► know watching these with my dad and so I

00:22:32 ◼   ► loved it and we played it for Adam owes

00:22:34 ◼   ► like ooh ooh now I'm trying to like now

00:22:36 ◼   ► I'm watching it as if I'm like a

00:22:38 ◼   ► four-year-old watching it so it's like

00:22:40 ◼   ► oh this is kind of rough and we

00:22:42 ◼   ► fast-forward through a lot but like he

00:22:44 ◼   ► he really liked it so now I'll overfor

00:22:46 ◼   ► up forever have that great memory of it

00:22:48 ◼   ► also was that that was babies for Star

00:22:50 ◼   ► Wars and we haven't had to address the

00:22:52 ◼   ► difficult questions about prequels with

00:22:54 ◼   ► him yet yeah exactly

00:22:56 ◼   ► but I mean there is that I love the

00:22:57 ◼   ► scene of like the asteroid field when

00:23:00 ◼   ► they're in the asteroid field with the

00:23:02 ◼   ► money in Falcon and all that kind of

00:23:04 ◼   ► sits just a great movie but I ended up

00:23:06 ◼   ► with my number two I decided ultimately

00:23:09 ◼   ► to go with Return of the Jedi because

00:23:11 ◼   ► that was the very first Star Wars movie

00:23:13 ◼   ► that I actually saw and I know pretty

00:23:16 ◼   ► much every line and which is kind of it

00:23:18 ◼   ► which got Marko pretty mad that I

00:23:21 ◼   ► started to say things though I mixed

00:23:24 ◼   ► that within five minutes yeah he's like

00:23:25 ◼   ► you you've got to stop I can't be

00:23:28 ◼   ► watching movie with somebody who's

00:23:29 ◼   ► reciting the lines I just can't job on

00:23:31 ◼   ► Obata can't do it well anyway I guess

00:23:37 ◼   ► it's kind of funny that's my second in

00:23:39 ◼   ► contrast because you have like slave

00:23:41 ◼   ► girl Leia which is kind of super

00:23:43 ◼   ► degrading but she also kills Jabba

00:23:47 ◼   ► so that's pretty excellent and she tries

00:23:49 ◼   ► to rescue Han from you know posing as

00:23:53 ◼   ► the bounty hunter so III obviously I

00:23:58 ◼   ► really like strong female leads but but

00:24:03 ◼   ► yeah so this is it's just for me the

00:24:04 ◼   ► same reason that like as you're growing

00:24:06 ◼   ► up you feel like one of the movies with

00:24:08 ◼   ► you guys two is one of the movies says

00:24:10 ◼   ► to you like this is Star Wars and that's

00:24:12 ◼   ► why Return of the Jedi is my number two

00:24:16 ◼   ► even though I think Empire is a better

00:24:18 ◼   ► movie not bothered by the Ewoks

00:24:21 ◼   ► I mean I grew it like like I said that

00:24:23 ◼   ► was the Star Wars movie I mean my

00:24:25 ◼   ► godmother dressed up as an Ewok when I

00:24:27 ◼   ► was like a young kid and as like

00:24:29 ◼   ► Halloween costume so and then they had

00:24:31 ◼   ► that okay John what is that weird movie

00:24:34 ◼   ► what do you walk in adventure yeah and

00:24:36 ◼   ► there's like the young girl with the

00:24:38 ◼   ► blond hair and they're kind of like Land

00:24:40 ◼   ► of the Lost style

00:24:41 ◼   ► yep that's the Ewok adventure I might oh

00:24:44 ◼   ► my gosh I've seen that movie that I

00:24:46 ◼   ► watched that all the time as a kid so

00:24:48 ◼   ► like I said this is it's more I don't I

00:24:51 ◼   ► don't love the Ewoks or anything but I

00:24:54 ◼   ► feel more attached to this movie through

00:24:57 ◼   ► history because that was it's the first

00:24:59 ◼   ► Star Wars movie that I saw and then I

00:25:01 ◼   ► saw the other ones after that so yeah

00:25:04 ◼   ► I'm much more emotionally attached to it

00:25:07 ◼   ► than it actually being a preferred movie

00:25:10 ◼   ► that I would watch now so that's why I

00:25:12 ◼   ► got my number two yeah that's fair go

00:25:15 ◼   ► ahead mark oh you're up all right so my

00:25:16 ◼   ► number two is Empire because my number

00:25:19 ◼   ► one was force awakens so number two

00:25:21 ◼   ► Empire for me you know I'm not as much

00:25:24 ◼   ► of a nerd as I think any of us hear

00:25:25 ◼   ► about Star Wars I think I'm probably the

00:25:27 ◼   ► least Star Wars nerdy I've probably seen

00:25:28 ◼   ► them the least number of times and have

00:25:30 ◼   ► given it the least amount of thought but

00:25:33 ◼   ► I can still clearly recognize that

00:25:35 ◼   ► Empire is just a great movie it's just

00:25:37 ◼   ► fantastic I like it compared to New Hope

00:25:41 ◼   ► seeing them again you like I don't you

00:25:43 ◼   ► know all of you guys saw them at much

00:25:45 ◼   ► younger ages than I did the first time I

00:25:47 ◼   ► ever saw them as far as I know was the

00:25:50 ◼   ► special editions of the 90s I never saw

00:25:51 ◼   ► the originals first like I saw the

00:25:53 ◼   ► originals later but I might the first

00:25:56 ◼   ► time I saw it was was in the 90s because

00:25:58 ◼   ► I just was you know very sheltered I

00:26:00 ◼   ► guess isn't that insane I think that's

00:26:03 ◼   ► insane it is I'm sure yeah I'm losing

00:26:05 ◼   ► all my whatever credibility I had left I

00:26:07 ◼   ► have now lost it but knowledge of pop

00:26:12 ◼   ► culture in general yes

00:26:14 ◼   ► did you see mall rats before seeing Star

00:26:16 ◼   ► Wars because in mall rats they have a

00:26:19 ◼   ► very in-depth discussion about what

00:26:21 ◼   ► movie is better and they also come up

00:26:23 ◼   ► with their the best movie being Empire I

00:26:26 ◼   ► mean I saw them at a at a similar time

00:26:29 ◼   ► but I think I probably I probably did

00:26:31 ◼   ► see mall rats first anyway continue

00:26:34 ◼   ► starwars I saw them all right before

00:26:35 ◼   ► seeing clerks which I'm sure is also

00:26:37 ◼   ► illegal but I didn't see both just in

00:26:40 ◼   ► the wrong order anyway it doesn't matter

00:26:41 ◼   ► so come on give you break I'm from Ohio

00:26:44 ◼   ► so it has it has strengths but you know

00:26:52 ◼   ► yeah anyway so all of that discussion

00:26:56 ◼   ► there so yeah so yeah my number two

00:27:00 ◼   ► empire because yeah it's just it's

00:27:02 ◼   ► really good it ties everything together

00:27:03 ◼   ► in the middle as John said I think John

00:27:05 ◼   ► covered it pretty well

00:27:05 ◼   ► I would also say that like having no

00:27:08 ◼   ► attachment to them and seeing them kind

00:27:11 ◼   ► of you know as an older person than most

00:27:12 ◼   ► people saw them at first and then seeing

00:27:14 ◼   ► them less frequently and we recently

00:27:16 ◼   ► weary watched all the the original

00:27:20 ◼   ► trilogy and some of the prequels about a

00:27:23 ◼   ► month ago - right right right after

00:27:26 ◼   ► seeing Fort force awakens we went and

00:27:27 ◼   ► re-watch all the originals we didn't

00:27:29 ◼   ► request them before free watch them

00:27:31 ◼   ► afterwards and and that solidified a lot

00:27:34 ◼   ► of stuff in my memory too because I

00:27:35 ◼   ► hadn't seen them in probably ten years

00:27:36 ◼   ► and so seeing them now as an adult with

00:27:41 ◼   ► a little more critical eye and a little

00:27:42 ◼   ► more distance from you know seeing them

00:27:44 ◼   ► the first time like in high school

00:27:45 ◼   ► basically I could see a lot of the lot

00:27:48 ◼   ► of the flaws in a new hope and it's not

00:27:51 ◼   ► that it's a bad movie but it's just that

00:27:52 ◼   ► you can see they laid a great groundwork

00:27:55 ◼   ► but you can kind of see like the

00:27:57 ◼   ► limitations of the technology the

00:27:59 ◼   ► limitations of their budget it kind of

00:28:01 ◼   ► shows and doesn't age as well whereas

00:28:03 ◼   ► Empire they clearly had advanced in so

00:28:06 ◼   ► many ways technologically skill wise and

00:28:08 ◼   ► they had way bigger production budget

00:28:10 ◼   ► obviously just from you know all the

00:28:12 ◼   ► different locations and sets and

00:28:13 ◼   ► everything and I feel like that's really

00:28:16 ◼   ► where it came into its own and it was

00:28:18 ◼   ► before it got a chance to be stupid and

00:28:20 ◼   ► as John was saying it you know it came

00:28:22 ◼   ► at a really good point in like the story

00:28:24 ◼   ► arcs of all the characters and tying the

00:28:26 ◼   ► whole thing together it was just a

00:28:28 ◼   ► really solid movie and I think seeing it

00:28:32 ◼   ► now I having not seen them for like a

00:28:33 ◼   ► decade Empire of all the ones that

00:28:36 ◼   ► existed before the force awakens Empire

00:28:39 ◼   ► I think clearly holds up the best over

00:28:42 ◼   ► time so Tina you're number two so I had

00:28:48 ◼   ► time picking my number two and I think a

00:28:49 ◼   ► lot of it had to do with your reasoning

00:28:51 ◼   ► for having trouble picking force

00:28:53 ◼   ► awakens' for number one but I think I'm

00:28:55 ◼   ► gonna go with force awakens' for my

00:28:57 ◼   ► number two the hesitation is just

00:28:59 ◼   ► because it is a newer movie and I've

00:29:01 ◼   ► only seen it a few times but it is a

00:29:03 ◼   ► movie that I want to see again like

00:29:06 ◼   ► maybe after I see it a few more times

00:29:07 ◼   ► maybe my feelings will change but for

00:29:09 ◼   ► right now it's a movie that got you know

00:29:12 ◼   ► it's got me really excited about Star

00:29:13 ◼   ► Wars again it's it's just it's exciting

00:29:17 ◼   ► I the story was great I loved the way

00:29:19 ◼   ► they tied back to I mean I know a lot of

00:29:22 ◼   ► people complain about a lot of the

00:29:24 ◼   ► similarities in the storyline you know

00:29:26 ◼   ► following what Star Wars was like but I

00:29:28 ◼   ► didn't really that didn't bother me or I

00:29:30 ◼   ► enjoyed it or I I just really liked the

00:29:33 ◼   ► way to find out what the characters have

00:29:35 ◼   ► been up to and where they are now

00:29:37 ◼   ► I loved the new characters I loved the

00:29:39 ◼   ► strong female lead leads in the

00:29:41 ◼   ► characters and I also my favorite which

00:29:45 ◼   ► I can't believe anybody hasn't nobody's

00:29:46 ◼   ► mentioned is I love bb-8

00:29:48 ◼   ► he's just the coolest joyed cute he is I

00:29:53 ◼   ► mean just like r2 is cute but I don't

00:29:57 ◼   ► know BBB bb-8 is just loads better he's

00:30:00 ◼   ► like a little baby

00:30:00 ◼   ► he totally he Trump's r2 for me he

00:30:03 ◼   ► really does for me as well I mean just

00:30:05 ◼   ► the fact that like his head moves and

00:30:07 ◼   ► all the expression and in motion they

00:30:09 ◼   ► can have him you know do throughout the

00:30:12 ◼   ► movie I just I just love him like he's

00:30:15 ◼   ► just my favorite little droid you know

00:30:16 ◼   ► it's just especially the scene where

00:30:18 ◼   ► what was it bb-8 was trying to convince

00:30:21 ◼   ► or no sorry Finn was trying to convince

00:30:23 ◼   ► bb-8 to give them the what was it the

00:30:26 ◼   ► location of their resistance yeah to

00:30:28 ◼   ► live for him base until I for him in

00:30:30 ◼   ► like just just to see the way he was

00:30:31 ◼   ► bopping his head back and forth like

00:30:33 ◼   ► what you know what I don't know about

00:30:35 ◼   ► this and he's just the cutest Roy so

00:30:37 ◼   ► anyway I just I really liked the force

00:30:40 ◼   ► awakens I think I've I've seen it three

00:30:44 ◼   ► times actually there was one time where

00:30:47 ◼   ► a co-worker of mine we were kind of like

00:30:50 ◼   ► being a little bit slacker II at work

00:30:52 ◼   ► because it was like between the holidays

00:30:54 ◼   ► and we were just you know trolling

00:30:57 ◼   ► Fandango found that oh look the theater

00:30:59 ◼   ► right nearby has some seats available

00:31:01 ◼   ► oh you know somehow you know tickets

00:31:05 ◼   ► were purchased and don't tell anybody

00:31:14 ◼   ► yeah sorry I don't know I just it's a

00:31:18 ◼   ► movie right now that like I just I want

00:31:19 ◼   ► to see again I can't wait to see it

00:31:21 ◼   ► again when it comes out on video if I

00:31:23 ◼   ► had the time I'd probably go see it in

00:31:25 ◼   ► the theater again again it's that new

00:31:27 ◼   ► beginning type of movie that's just got

00:31:29 ◼   ► so much potential and I've got so much

00:31:31 ◼   ► excitement about it that you know who

00:31:33 ◼   ► knows the second movie if for whatever

00:31:35 ◼   ► reason it's a flop and horrible maybe I

00:31:37 ◼   ► won't feel as excited or you know fond

00:31:40 ◼   ► of force awakens but right now it's just

00:31:43 ◼   ► this one of those movies that just has

00:31:44 ◼   ► me really excited about where the Star

00:31:46 ◼   ► Wars franchise is going so that's my

00:31:49 ◼   ► number two awesome I'm so excited

00:31:52 ◼   ► alright John you're number two my number

00:31:55 ◼   ► two after I get through number one it

00:31:58 ◼   ► gets difficult because I want to pull a

00:31:59 ◼   ► Marco and be like and then there's the

00:32:00 ◼   ► rest of the movies see it's hard you got

00:32:04 ◼   ► you got a stick to the format actually

00:32:07 ◼   ► I'm sticking to it and really when I

00:32:09 ◼   ► thought about I don't think there's

00:32:11 ◼   ► there's much movement it's just that it

00:32:13 ◼   ► feels bad for me to put any of these

00:32:14 ◼   ► movies as like number four you know what

00:32:16 ◼   ► I mean because I like all them so much

00:32:17 ◼   ► but you do have to rank them so that's

00:32:19 ◼   ► the exercise do you have any two-way

00:32:20 ◼   ► arrows in your list like I don't in

00:32:22 ◼   ► question we have any ties or skipped

00:32:24 ◼   ► numbers I do not have numbers with names

00:32:26 ◼   ► next to them

00:32:27 ◼   ► alright so my number two may surprise

00:32:30 ◼   ► some people who have listened to me talk

00:32:31 ◼   ► about Star Wars for 70 hours I'm gonna

00:32:34 ◼   ► list Return of the Jedi

00:32:35 ◼   ► as my number two not because it is the

00:32:38 ◼   ► second best Star Wars movie because it

00:32:39 ◼   ► probably isn't but here's why since

00:32:42 ◼   ► Empire is the best movie and the heart

00:32:44 ◼   ► of the franchise for me and my favorite

00:32:46 ◼   ► part of the reason I like it is the

00:32:48 ◼   ► story is the way they set up the larger

00:32:51 ◼   ► story arc like you can almost discount

00:32:53 ◼   ► the first movie as introduced the

00:32:54 ◼   ► characters the universe and the ideas

00:32:56 ◼   ► it's kind of like like you know the

00:32:58 ◼   ► original Star Wars is kind of like The

00:32:59 ◼   ► Hobbit where it's like yeah they find

00:33:01 ◼   ► the ring and that's an important thing

00:33:03 ◼   ► but in the course of the hop but the

00:33:05 ◼   ► ring is just like another thing that's

00:33:06 ◼   ► part of it they also find you know sting

00:33:07 ◼   ► and also some other things like well

00:33:09 ◼   ► it's all part of the same soup of like

00:33:11 ◼   ► you find some magic stuff and you have a

00:33:13 ◼   ► band of people on the end there

00:33:14 ◼   ► that dragon and blah blah blah and

00:33:16 ◼   ► that's all well and good but you don't

00:33:18 ◼   ► realize that ring was actually really

00:33:20 ◼   ► really important and then they have the

00:33:21 ◼   ► whole Lord of the Rings set of books and

00:33:23 ◼   ► you realize oh that's the real battle

00:33:26 ◼   ► here for middle-earth that was just like

00:33:28 ◼   ► a you know The Hobbit was just like a

00:33:29 ◼   ► fun kind of adventure to introduce you

00:33:31 ◼   ► to the characters the world and all the

00:33:32 ◼   ► things and you didn't even know it but

00:33:34 ◼   ► during that thing you know they found

00:33:35 ◼   ► the ring then you find out how super

00:33:36 ◼   ► important is also the original Star Wars

00:33:39 ◼   ► sets up the characters the world the

00:33:41 ◼   ► force gives us our hero Luke and it's

00:33:43 ◼   ► almost as if like instead of Frodo being

00:33:44 ◼   ► in Lord of the Rings that Bilbo can

00:33:46 ◼   ► continued on right so he continues into

00:33:48 ◼   ► the next story and you have to set up

00:33:50 ◼   ► the real problem here which is Jedi are

00:33:52 ◼   ► gone except for this dude with a you

00:33:55 ◼   ► know a mask who sounds like James Earl

00:33:57 ◼   ► Jones and he's a big problem and you are

00:34:00 ◼   ► like you are potentially the only other

00:34:03 ◼   ► person who can fight him but you don't

00:34:05 ◼   ► even know what the force is and you have

00:34:06 ◼   ► to learn from these old people and this

00:34:07 ◼   ► weird green guy and by the way he turned

00:34:10 ◼   ► out to be your father does that

00:34:11 ◼   ► complicate things a little I don't know

00:34:12 ◼   ► and also he kind of kicked your butt in

00:34:14 ◼   ► that second movie so what are you gonna

00:34:16 ◼   ► do about the how do you how are you

00:34:17 ◼   ► going to fight and by the way the Empire

00:34:19 ◼   ► is you know you blew up the Death Star

00:34:20 ◼   ► for the Empire's coming back and by the

00:34:22 ◼   ► time of Return of the Jedi they're

00:34:23 ◼   ► rebuilding and you know this is this is

00:34:26 ◼   ► the climactic battle and I love Luke

00:34:29 ◼   ► Skywalker I love his arc from farm boy

00:34:30 ◼   ► to the end and in particular return the

00:34:32 ◼   ► Jedi as I talked about in the on the

00:34:34 ◼   ► episode the icomparable Return of the

00:34:36 ◼   ► Jedi is such a novel movie in the the

00:34:40 ◼   ► final battle is it between Luke who has

00:34:43 ◼   ► been trained as a good Jedi and the

00:34:45 ◼   ► light side of the force battling Darth

00:34:47 ◼   ► Vader and the Emperor and you've got the

00:34:48 ◼   ► whole space battle and you've got yes

00:34:50 ◼   ► the walks down there and Endor and and

00:34:52 ◼   ► all sorts of other things that are

00:34:53 ◼   ► basically like amped up versions of what

00:34:55 ◼   ► they were in a new hope because they

00:34:56 ◼   ► have so much bigger budgets and better

00:34:58 ◼   ► technology but the real battle for the

00:35:00 ◼   ► heart of the movie is going on on the

00:35:02 ◼   ► Death Star and instead of Luke winning

00:35:04 ◼   ► by killing Vader he wins by refusing to

00:35:07 ◼   ► kill Vader like he like when he gets the

00:35:10 ◼   ► upper hand in the fight they play sad

00:35:12 ◼   ► music because he is actually like in so

00:35:14 ◼   ► many movies like oh the good guys we

00:35:16 ◼   ► care about you know kindness and

00:35:17 ◼   ► strength but in the end the good guys

00:35:19 ◼   ► killed the bad guys right or at least

00:35:20 ◼   ► defeat them or dominate them physically

00:35:22 ◼   ► or do something like that and Yoda

00:35:24 ◼   ► during the whole second movie is like no

00:35:25 ◼   ► you know for knowledge and defense never

00:35:27 ◼   ► for attack

00:35:28 ◼   ► I can look like yeah yeah yeah but I

00:35:29 ◼   ► gotta go save my friends and that I'd be

00:35:31 ◼   ► handy if I could kill people to do that

00:35:32 ◼   ► um and in this movie all that you know

00:35:36 ◼   ► all that stuff about knowledge and

00:35:37 ◼   ► defense and never for attack and you

00:35:39 ◼   ► know to be at calm at peace and not to

00:35:41 ◼   ► give in to hate he actually listens he

00:35:42 ◼   ► figures it out so like when he gives in

00:35:44 ◼   ► to hate it he starts winning the fight

00:35:45 ◼   ► they play sad music and wait he's

00:35:47 ◼   ► winning now isn't it be like triumphant

00:35:49 ◼   ► yay we're killing Vader no his the whole

00:35:51 ◼   ► pacifist philosophy of the force pays

00:35:54 ◼   ► off in him figuring it out throwing his

00:35:56 ◼   ► lightsaber away and say I am a Jedi like

00:35:58 ◼   ► my father before my fruit he's not going

00:36:00 ◼   ► to fight he's he's refusing to when if

00:36:03 ◼   ► you had an action movie where the hero

00:36:04 ◼   ► wins by realizing you know what I

00:36:06 ◼   ► shouldn't fight I should I should

00:36:08 ◼   ► essentially concede the feat by throwing

00:36:10 ◼   ► away my weapon not trying any more than

00:36:12 ◼   ► the upper goes and is about to kill him

00:36:13 ◼   ► it almost kills him and his father who

00:36:15 ◼   ► he has redeemed spiritually if not

00:36:17 ◼   ► practically speaking because he's adult

00:36:18 ◼   ► still did terrible things

00:36:20 ◼   ► throws damper overboard and the good

00:36:23 ◼   ► guys win but the real victory was Luke

00:36:25 ◼   ► staying true to his philosophy and so

00:36:27 ◼   ► even though Return of the Jedi is a week

00:36:29 ◼   ► or movie and the Ewoks are kind of silly

00:36:31 ◼   ► and there's lots of sort of knowing

00:36:34 ◼   ► winks to the audience in that movie

00:36:36 ◼   ► that's slightly unbecoming for a

00:36:37 ◼   ► franchise that I took as seriously as I

00:36:39 ◼   ► did after Empire so I expect the fact

00:36:41 ◼   ► that it connects that arc into like the

00:36:43 ◼   ► story of Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader

00:36:45 ◼   ► that Luke's story without it's

00:36:48 ◼   ► incomplete because you can't you can't

00:36:49 ◼   ► you need return the Jedi to finish Luke

00:36:51 ◼   ► story and it's an amazing finish and I

00:36:54 ◼   ► love the way the story turns out I also

00:36:55 ◼   ► love the space bow at the end I can even

00:36:57 ◼   ► tolerate some of the silliness with the

00:36:59 ◼   ► Ewok so Return of the Jedi number two in

00:37:02 ◼   ► my heart if not in the eyes of the world

00:37:07 ◼   ► that's fair III first of all I would

00:37:10 ◼   ► love to have a new youtube series of

00:37:13 ◼   ► movies where the dialogue is replaced by

00:37:16 ◼   ► your summary of the dialogue like a

00:37:20 ◼   ► director's cut but Syracuse yeah guys I

00:37:24 ◼   ► can kill some people here you know if

00:37:28 ◼   ► you leave now save them you could but he

00:37:30 ◼   ► will sacrifice all fortune they've

00:37:31 ◼   ► fought and suffered and he's like well I

00:37:32 ◼   ► gotta do it cuz I'm a good guy alright

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00:39:52 ◼   ► all right TIFF number three

00:39:54 ◼   ► all right so like I said I'll keep this

00:39:56 ◼   ► short but number three for me is Empire

00:39:59 ◼   ► because that was my debate between 2:00

00:40:02 ◼   ► and 3:00 so sorry Empire you're number

00:40:05 ◼   ► three but for all the reasons that

00:40:08 ◼   ► everyone has stated but Wow please leave

00:40:12 ◼   ► no John yeah please yeah but yeah man

00:40:15 ◼   ► Empire was great

00:40:17 ◼   ► I like Empire a lot okay anyway ends on

00:40:20 ◼   ► such a downer

00:40:23 ◼   ► mark oh my number three is a new hope I

00:40:26 ◼   ► like it but I just don't like it as much

00:40:29 ◼   ► as the other ones so I mean it's getting

00:40:33 ◼   ► weak now it's my number three because I

00:40:34 ◼   ► like it more than my number four but

00:40:37 ◼   ► less than my number too earlier like a

00:40:43 ◼   ► new hope is good it's a solid good movie

00:40:46 ◼   ► it didn't quite aged as well as it had

00:40:49 ◼   ► in my head like once I saw it again I

00:40:52 ◼   ► was like oh yeah that's that's kind of

00:40:54 ◼   ► quaint at certain points but but overall

00:40:57 ◼   ► still a great movie so number three for

00:40:59 ◼   ► me do you know this one's a hard one for

00:41:03 ◼   ► me I don't know which one to pick so I'm

00:41:05 ◼   ► gonna be the waffler um somebody has to

00:41:07 ◼   ► John won't let me do it this episode so

00:41:10 ◼   ► it's gotta be you I mean it's it's a

00:41:13 ◼   ► close call between Empire and Return of

00:41:16 ◼   ► the Jedi right a knife to the heart to

00:41:24 ◼   ► John I'll give like a lukewarm I guess

00:41:28 ◼   ► I'll say Empire it's not it's it's

00:41:32 ◼   ► really is far from my favorite it's it's

00:41:35 ◼   ► a good movie I like it but I guess part

00:41:38 ◼   ► of it just being like that middle movie

00:41:40 ◼   ► I'm not as enthralled with it in terms

00:41:44 ◼   ► of like wanting to watch it again and

00:41:45 ◼   ► again I mean it was a very good movie

00:41:47 ◼   ► it's just not my favorite so that's it

00:41:50 ◼   ► now did you guys reveal your list to

00:41:52 ◼   ► each other before starting the show no

00:41:55 ◼   ► works

00:41:57 ◼   ► I'm just curious I wanted to know had

00:41:59 ◼   ► you ever had this conversation

00:42:00 ◼   ► yourselves separately of the show like

00:42:03 ◼   ► had you ever just talked about this and

00:42:05 ◼   ► rank your favorite Star Wars movies in

00:42:06 ◼   ► order for each other

00:42:08 ◼   ► nobody would know my number one is but

00:42:11 ◼   ► well that's obvious and I would have

00:42:13 ◼   ► known what her number one is too but

00:42:15 ◼   ► beyond that now I was somewhat surprised

00:42:18 ◼   ► he picked Return of the Jedi is number

00:42:20 ◼   ► two all right John

00:42:22 ◼   ► but you were number three number three

00:42:24 ◼   ► this whistle speaking of a knife to the

00:42:26 ◼   ► hearts will be a knife to the heart of

00:42:27 ◼   ► so many big Star Wars fans my number

00:42:29 ◼   ► three is the force awakens whoo sorry

00:42:32 ◼   ► I'm just really excited about that movie

00:42:34 ◼   ► the same problem everyone else has in

00:42:36 ◼   ► judging this and that it's so new and I

00:42:39 ◼   ► mean I loved the first right off the bat

00:42:41 ◼   ► I could say I loved watching it I had

00:42:42 ◼   ► fun I saw it four times I had fun every

00:42:44 ◼   ► single time I saw it every time I saw it

00:42:45 ◼   ► like I wanted to see it again I didn't

00:42:47 ◼   ► get sick of it it didn't lose its luster

00:42:49 ◼   ► like and I just had so much fun seems

00:42:51 ◼   ► like all the callbacks to the original

00:42:53 ◼   ► movies I am the audience for those

00:42:54 ◼   ► callbacks and I felt like they were done

00:42:56 ◼   ► in in a way that was sophisticated and

00:43:00 ◼   ► like I grown more at some of the

00:43:02 ◼   ► callbacks in Return of the Jedi

00:43:03 ◼   ► because we're trying the jelly there's

00:43:04 ◼   ► lots of callbacks to an open Empire and

00:43:06 ◼   ► some of those like yeah whatever the

00:43:09 ◼   ► force awakens did them all with enough

00:43:10 ◼   ► of a twist because it's new characters

00:43:12 ◼   ► this is a new situation it's not just

00:43:14 ◼   ► the same character saying the same lines

00:43:15 ◼   ► they said and new hope going oh yeah

00:43:17 ◼   ► Hans got a bad feeling about this again

00:43:19 ◼   ► like it was even when they pulled that

00:43:21 ◼   ► one out in the force awakens the context

00:43:23 ◼   ► was you know novel and it's you know

00:43:26 ◼   ► when an old Han says these things it

00:43:28 ◼   ► takes on a different twist than when the

00:43:30 ◼   ► young one does but I you know I just had

00:43:32 ◼   ► a great time seeing it like I was afraid

00:43:35 ◼   ► for this movie I tried to stay away from

00:43:37 ◼   ► spoilers I did watch the first trailer

00:43:38 ◼   ► didn't watch anything else about it I

00:43:39 ◼   ► wanted to go in as clean as possible to

00:43:41 ◼   ► give it the best chance and I think that

00:43:42 ◼   ► really helped because that first view in

00:43:44 ◼   ► the force awakens I'm going to remember

00:43:46 ◼   ► for a long time

00:43:47 ◼   ► because I just knew nothing like I

00:43:48 ◼   ► forgot was who was even in the movie

00:43:50 ◼   ► like it was just so great to just see

00:43:51 ◼   ► like here's a new movie in the Star Wars

00:43:53 ◼   ► universe and I have to say all the stuff

00:43:55 ◼   ► about having different people be heroes

00:43:59 ◼   ► and different people be in the movies

00:44:00 ◼   ► and the idea that one of the main

00:44:03 ◼   ► characters used to be a stormtrooper and

00:44:06 ◼   ► the idea that at various times multiple

00:44:08 ◼   ► people pick up the lightsabers but to

00:44:11 ◼   ► have the heroic moment be a young woman

00:44:14 ◼   ► instead of a young man I mean it just

00:44:16 ◼   ► makes sense to me

00:44:17 ◼   ► like like why would you make the same

00:44:19 ◼   ► movie again why would you actually have

00:44:20 ◼   ► like another guy

00:44:21 ◼   ► like Luke we already have Luke Luke is

00:44:23 ◼   ► Luke right make a new movie about new

00:44:24 ◼   ► people and new stories there's so many

00:44:26 ◼   ► stories you could possibly tell and I

00:44:27 ◼   ► love it that it is that these are the

00:44:30 ◼   ► characters they're choosing to do it

00:44:31 ◼   ► with I found myself just wrapped up and

00:44:35 ◼   ► rooting for Rey as much as I was wrapped

00:44:37 ◼   ► up in Luke and rooting for him and I

00:44:41 ◼   ► love I love the actress in the movie I

00:44:43 ◼   ► love Daisy Ridley I think she can

00:44:45 ◼   ► totally carry the franchise I like

00:44:48 ◼   ► seeing the old faces from my old movies

00:44:51 ◼   ► I think they were given noble roles and

00:44:54 ◼   ► and like they they weren't squandered

00:44:58 ◼   ► and but they also didn't sort of take

00:44:59 ◼   ► over the movie it's well balanced yeah

00:45:02 ◼   ► and I'm pretty sure this is I'm pretty

00:45:05 ◼   ► sure this is a pretty good movie like I

00:45:06 ◼   ► get a lot of it leans a lot of it on the

00:45:08 ◼   ► fact that you know I love Star Wars so

00:45:09 ◼   ► much that of course I'm going to love

00:45:10 ◼   ► this one

00:45:10 ◼   ► and it leans on the fact that the

00:45:12 ◼   ► callback the script and stuff all

00:45:14 ◼   ► written by clever people so who know how

00:45:17 ◼   ► to make it interesting and sophisticated

00:45:22 ◼   ► enough to entertain me as an adult so I

00:45:24 ◼   ► don't feel like they're pandering and I

00:45:25 ◼   ► don't feel like it's simplistic or

00:45:26 ◼   ► whatever and I feel like it was overall

00:45:30 ◼   ► pretty well structured and I think but

00:45:33 ◼   ► some of my hang-ups about the movie are

00:45:35 ◼   ► related to it not being exactly like one

00:45:37 ◼   ► of the other movies so I think as I get

00:45:38 ◼   ► more distance from it I will those

00:45:40 ◼   ► hang-ups will go away but the essential

00:45:42 ◼   ► goodness of the movie will remain it

00:45:45 ◼   ► could be that the force awaken closets

00:45:46 ◼   ► way up these rankings and in years as

00:45:48 ◼   ► they go now but Empire and Jedi they're

00:45:52 ◼   ► like they're they're a linked pair

00:45:54 ◼   ► because I feel like I'm I was so

00:45:56 ◼   ► satisfied with the ending of with the

00:45:58 ◼   ► end of the original trilogy with Luke's

00:46:00 ◼   ► story arc that I can't I can't separate

00:46:02 ◼   ► them I can't say empire and then force

00:46:04 ◼   ► awakens and then return the jibe is then

00:46:06 ◼   ► returned today would start falling

00:46:07 ◼   ► because then you're saying return the

00:46:08 ◼   ► Jedi it's on its own so Luke's story arc

00:46:10 ◼   ► isn't always will be the hardest or Star

00:46:13 ◼   ► Wars for me mostly because I don't know

00:46:15 ◼   ► what the rest of for a story arc is so

00:46:16 ◼   ► I'm ready for someone to come in and

00:46:18 ◼   ► change that but it's gonna be really

00:46:20 ◼   ► difficult because I saw Star Wars when I

00:46:22 ◼   ► was little and it's such a big part of

00:46:23 ◼   ► my life and you know all that stuff but

00:46:25 ◼   ► anyway the force awakens was a good

00:46:26 ◼   ► movie it's my number 3 fair enough

00:46:28 ◼   ► all right TIF number 4 number 4 I have

00:46:32 ◼   ► as a new hope sorry Tina

00:46:35 ◼   ► but disturbing lack of love for a new

00:46:39 ◼   ► hope well for me it was I was the

00:46:42 ◼   ► furthest removed from the a new hope I

00:46:43 ◼   ► think when I when I saw the movies

00:46:45 ◼   ► originally also I find Luke very whiny

00:46:48 ◼   ► in that movie so I'm not I'm not coming

00:46:52 ◼   ► at that movie from a place of it being a

00:46:56 ◼   ► huge part of my childhood so that's why

00:46:58 ◼   ► I totally I totally get why it's your

00:47:01 ◼   ► number one teen I do and but so yeah

00:47:05 ◼   ► it's number four for me just when we

00:47:08 ◼   ► especially when we watched it and we

00:47:11 ◼   ► really paid attention to a lot of the

00:47:14 ◼   ► things that we're going on and it were

00:47:16 ◼   ► like oh yeah that scene didn't age too

00:47:19 ◼   ► great and that's you know that's really

00:47:20 ◼   ► not a reason to not like the movie but

00:47:23 ◼   ► it is a reason for it to be my number

00:47:26 ◼   ► for now so yeah I have a new hope at my

00:47:32 ◼   ► number four but it is a thousand times

00:47:35 ◼   ► miles better than any of the prequels so

00:47:38 ◼   ► it has that plus you know it's the

00:47:41 ◼   ► origin story just like John said it's

00:47:43 ◼   ► it's the you know it's it's the start of

00:47:47 ◼   ► the whole thing and it definitely has a

00:47:49 ◼   ► great place after you remove all of the

00:47:52 ◼   ► terrible edits from it isn't that where

00:47:57 ◼   ► they like stuck Java in in that hangar

00:47:59 ◼   ► like that oh so I hate that as the worst

00:48:03 ◼   ► why the hell they do that it ruins Java

00:48:07 ◼   ► for me I know well he's supposed to like

00:48:09 ◼   ► he's that he appears you know at the end

00:48:11 ◼   ► that that you know at the Return of the

00:48:14 ◼   ► Jedi he's this big slug in a new hope

00:48:17 ◼   ► he's this like skinny sort of yes but he

00:48:21 ◼   ► doesn't have the same presence

00:48:23 ◼   ► no no he's looked he looks diminished it

00:48:25 ◼   ► like he's tiny and and Han steps on his

00:48:28 ◼   ► tail and it's more laughable it's so

00:48:31 ◼   ► goofy and he like squeaks like one of

00:48:34 ◼   ► those toys that you squeeze and it's

00:48:35 ◼   ► eyeball shoot out that's what it were my

00:48:39 ◼   ► but yeah yeah people out there are

00:48:44 ◼   ► special all you young people I mean come

00:48:47 ◼   ► on

00:48:47 ◼   ► watch these movies with

00:48:49 ◼   ► all of the garbage edits associated with

00:48:51 ◼   ► them because it makes it so much better

00:48:54 ◼   ► we were smarter what we would have done

00:48:56 ◼   ► for for this episode instead is ranked

00:49:00 ◼   ► our top four Star Wars movies but

00:49:02 ◼   ► including the special editions as

00:49:04 ◼   ► separate movies would that have changed

00:49:07 ◼   ► any top four though I don't know some of

00:49:10 ◼   ► them aren't changed that much like for

00:49:12 ◼   ► example is Empire special edition better

00:49:14 ◼   ► than whatever your number four movie is

00:49:16 ◼   ► for me anyway like because I'm bars my

00:49:18 ◼   ► favorite and special instrument part

00:49:19 ◼   ► they change stuff and made it worse but

00:49:21 ◼   ► not that much worse so you rather see

00:49:24 ◼   ► Empire twice than another then that'll

00:49:29 ◼   ► be complicated it's very difficult

00:49:31 ◼   ► figure but I agree that the changes in

00:49:33 ◼   ► and a new hope are just terrible yeah

00:49:36 ◼   ► you had Marco all right my number four

00:49:39 ◼   ► if anybody had been doing the math you

00:49:42 ◼   ► kind of roses only one left that's

00:49:43 ◼   ► actually good and that's Return of the

00:49:45 ◼   ► Jedi for me as we were watching them

00:49:48 ◼   ► that was the one where I felt like the

00:49:50 ◼   ► like the Camp eNOS of a lot of it just

00:49:53 ◼   ► it it it detracted enough from it for me

00:49:57 ◼   ► that I feel like and and looking at them

00:50:00 ◼   ► separately not considering it you know

00:50:02 ◼   ► like John is not considering it part of

00:50:04 ◼   ► empire like like the conclusion that

00:50:06 ◼   ► story and part of the reason I can do

00:50:08 ◼   ► that is because I don't really like Luke

00:50:11 ◼   ► like I I just don't really identify with

00:50:14 ◼   ► Luke in any meaningful way I I it was

00:50:16 ◼   ► not a part that was incredibly

00:50:19 ◼   ► well-written I think it was decently but

00:50:21 ◼   ► not like amazingly written I think the

00:50:23 ◼   ► acting that Mark Hamill did for that

00:50:25 ◼   ► part was also decent but not amazing and

00:50:28 ◼   ► and I just it you know as you said like

00:50:30 ◼   ► looks kind of like whiny like he's not

00:50:33 ◼   ► the best Jedi I mean no way is obviously

00:50:36 ◼   ► the superior Jedi clearly yeah but

00:50:39 ◼   ► overall like I because I'm just not that

00:50:41 ◼   ► crazy about Luke it's because she's a

00:50:43 ◼   ► Kenobi definitely that's the direction

00:50:46 ◼   ► they take but I unfortunately think it's

00:50:48 ◼   ► unlikely but I hope that's the direction

00:50:50 ◼   ► they don't take oh yeah why I don't want

00:50:53 ◼   ► her to be a Kenobi that would just be

00:50:55 ◼   ► kind of like so Kenobi how like Ben you

00:50:58 ◼   ► know Obi Wan's daughter they've entered

00:50:59 ◼   ► granddaughter everyone came Randall

00:51:01 ◼   ► makes me but then okay how did he have a

00:51:03 ◼   ► kid and why did he abandon you know like

00:51:05 ◼   ► it just makes me sad to think about like

00:51:08 ◼   ► how would she have gotten abandoned in

00:51:10 ◼   ► the first place and then I'd feel less

00:51:12 ◼   ► kind towards the Kenobi clan I guess

00:51:16 ◼   ► that's that's fair I mean like it

00:51:17 ◼   ► ideally she's brand-new and has no

00:51:20 ◼   ► lineage to one of the established

00:51:22 ◼   ► families right well that's what I hope

00:51:24 ◼   ► yeah but I think if she's gonna have a

00:51:26 ◼   ► lineage to one of the families I'd

00:51:28 ◼   ► rather her be a Kenobi than a Skywalker

00:51:29 ◼   ► true yeah I think that the Kenobi's are

00:51:33 ◼   ► better Jedi's than the Skywalker's yeah

00:51:35 ◼   ► the history proved that out but anyway

00:51:38 ◼   ► so yeah the one who actually stayed true

00:51:41 ◼   ► to the teachings obi-wan is the one who

00:51:43 ◼   ► thought he could train someone better

00:51:45 ◼   ► than Master Yoda but he was wrong he

00:51:46 ◼   ► ended up creating Vader accidentally and

00:51:48 ◼   ► the only way he could help was by dying

00:51:50 ◼   ► nobly in front of Luke the true hero who

00:51:52 ◼   ► eventually came through in the end this

00:51:54 ◼   ► is I will not stand for this Luke do to

00:51:59 ◼   ► kylo Ren yeah Luke made the same thing

00:52:08 ◼   ► the track record of the Skywalker's is

00:52:11 ◼   ► pretty weak

00:52:12 ◼   ► everyone's failing all over the place

00:52:14 ◼   ► everyone everyone's whining in the first

00:52:20 ◼   ► movie he was in Empire he was he was bad

00:52:23 ◼   ► at training but Anakin whines throughout

00:52:26 ◼   ► the entire he wasn't afraid he's gonna

00:52:29 ◼   ► do what it takes if he didn't quite

00:52:30 ◼   ► understand the force he was a bad

00:52:32 ◼   ► student but he was trying yeah but he's

00:52:34 ◼   ► not a super powerful Jedi I mean Ray's

00:52:36 ◼   ► kicking some serious butt you'll die you

00:52:38 ◼   ► haven't learned the lesson of Jedi as

00:52:39 ◼   ► the whole idea is not to be super

00:52:41 ◼   ► powerful and destroy everybody now even

00:52:44 ◼   ► ray didn't kill kylo Ren Rey after she

00:52:46 ◼   ► found she defeated colorin didn't leap

00:52:48 ◼   ► over there and stab him through the

00:52:49 ◼   ► heart with lightsaber she continued on

00:52:51 ◼   ► her she hasn't even been trained in the

00:52:53 ◼   ► force yet but she knew she's much more

00:52:54 ◼   ► likable than Luke whoo yeah she's much

00:52:57 ◼   ► more likable because she wasn't complain

00:52:58 ◼   ► yeah she's got a horrible life you know

00:53:02 ◼   ► orphaned abandoned on some desert

00:53:04 ◼   ► planets eating green she's pretty

00:53:07 ◼   ► well-adjusted given that yeah exactly

00:53:09 ◼   ► yeah I know I like Ren - I'm just saying

00:53:12 ◼   ► that

00:53:12 ◼   ► Luke Ren unite Ren yeah I read ray

00:53:16 ◼   ► cuz the the force makes her mentally

00:53:17 ◼   ► strong and she's like ready for it it's

00:53:20 ◼   ► so stable she's like you know if you if

00:53:22 ◼   ► you held your hand out

00:53:23 ◼   ► you know Luke's the guy with you know

00:53:26 ◼   ► yeah little shakey shake here and then I

00:53:29 ◼   ► feel like it's just like boom straight

00:53:31 ◼   ► as an arrow we don't know at the end of

00:53:32 ◼   ► every story is gonna be like whatever

00:53:39 ◼   ► it's bad I'm closing my eyes to it like

00:53:41 ◼   ► the prequels yeah I mean would you

00:53:43 ◼   ► rather have your life in the hands of a

00:53:46 ◼   ► Skywalker doing their job correctly or

00:53:48 ◼   ► or Rey doing her job correctly I don't

00:53:51 ◼   ► know we don't know enough about Ray yet

00:53:52 ◼   ► she just learned about the force I'd

00:53:54 ◼   ► still trust Rey me too

00:54:01 ◼   ► alright so Tina you're number four so my

00:54:05 ◼   ► number four um that would be Return of

00:54:09 ◼   ► the Jedi so this right um this was I

00:54:13 ◼   ► think well this is definitely the first

00:54:14 ◼   ► Star Wars movie I saw in a theater and

00:54:17 ◼   ► was could have been the first movie I

00:54:19 ◼   ► ever saw in a theater I'm not sure about

00:54:20 ◼   ► that one first like I don't understand

00:54:22 ◼   ► the I don't quite appreciate the the

00:54:25 ◼   ► hate for the Ewoks and maybe it's

00:54:27 ◼   ► because when I first saw this movie I

00:54:29 ◼   ► was seven eight years old which is you

00:54:32 ◼   ► know prime age group for who would want

00:54:34 ◼   ► to who would like the Ewok so I don't

00:54:36 ◼   ► know they don't bother me near as much

00:54:38 ◼   ► as they bother most people but um I

00:54:40 ◼   ► don't I I really like Return of the Jedi

00:54:43 ◼   ► you know not my favorite obviously but I

00:54:45 ◼   ► think it was a good movie a good end to

00:54:48 ◼   ► the story and much better than anything

00:54:51 ◼   ► that came after it or before it in terms

00:54:54 ◼   ► of prequels right Japan you like it so

00:54:57 ◼   ► that's my number four John so obviously

00:55:01 ◼   ► obviously my number four is a new hope

00:55:05 ◼   ► you're gonna see attack of the clones

00:55:08 ◼   ► for I'm pretty excited yeah I mean and I

00:55:12 ◼   ► like a new hope like a new hope is it

00:55:14 ◼   ► complicated because it is so important

00:55:16 ◼   ► like outside of the favorite thing it is

00:55:17 ◼   ► so important as in setting up the

00:55:19 ◼   ► franchise and just important in terms of

00:55:21 ◼   ► movies in general and it is a really

00:55:24 ◼   ► good movie like you watch it and despite

00:55:25 ◼   ► all the things that mark

00:55:26 ◼   ► find out before which are totally true

00:55:27 ◼   ► like the the creepiness of the sets and

00:55:30 ◼   ► even some of the acting and the script

00:55:32 ◼   ► has some terrible parts in it like

00:55:34 ◼   ► there's lots of hints that George Lucas

00:55:36 ◼   ► can't write dialogue in a new hope

00:55:38 ◼   ► but the essential goodness and the

00:55:40 ◼   ► essential structure of like it's an

00:55:42 ◼   ► exciting adventure you get wrapped up in

00:55:44 ◼   ► it like that whole like in the final

00:55:46 ◼   ► sequence with the trench run and

00:55:47 ◼   ► everything it is so sort of silly and

00:55:49 ◼   ► simple and by the numbers but you still

00:55:51 ◼   ► get wrapped up and it's a weld

00:55:52 ◼   ► constructed action sequence and you care

00:55:55 ◼   ► about Luke because you could see them

00:55:56 ◼   ► you know complaining too you know back

00:55:59 ◼   ► on his home planet and complaining about

00:56:01 ◼   ► having do chores and stuff and all of a

00:56:02 ◼   ► sudden ease in the trench run it's a

00:56:03 ◼   ► wish fulfillment fantasy of like you can

00:56:05 ◼   ► go from farm bar right to saving the

00:56:07 ◼   ► universe in the course of one movie is

00:56:08 ◼   ► exactly the what kind of movie this is

00:56:10 ◼   ► they get medals at the end for crying

00:56:11 ◼   ► out loud there's just a good hearted

00:56:15 ◼   ► happy quality movie and and the most

00:56:18 ◼   ► important thing it has going for it just

00:56:20 ◼   ► introduced the entire Star Wars universe

00:56:21 ◼   ► the forest lightsabers x-wings TIE

00:56:23 ◼   ► fighter it's just everything that is so

00:56:25 ◼   ► amazing about Star Wars that caused us

00:56:27 ◼   ► people of a certain age to just go gaga

00:56:29 ◼   ► for it to make it the phenomenon it is

00:56:30 ◼   ► all that starts off in a new home but I

00:56:33 ◼   ► if I had to choose one Star Wars movie

00:56:35 ◼   ► to watch I would pick any of my top

00:56:37 ◼   ► three above this one simply because

00:56:39 ◼   ► they're they're just better movies and

00:56:40 ◼   ► I'm an older person and I have most of

00:56:43 ◼   ► my nostalgia is wrapped up in Empire

00:56:45 ◼   ► rather than a new hope it's probably

00:56:48 ◼   ► because you know I was too young to

00:56:50 ◼   ► really appreciate a new hope when I

00:56:51 ◼   ► first saw it and so Empire was the one

00:56:53 ◼   ► where my brain had grown enough to

00:56:55 ◼   ► really get you know wrapped up in it

00:56:57 ◼   ► like you know a new hope I'd see and it

00:56:58 ◼   ► was like x-wing sigh where's lightsabers

00:57:00 ◼   ► and it wasn't critical or interested in

00:57:03 ◼   ► the movie at all and then Empire came it

00:57:04 ◼   ► just really got me all wrapped up in it

00:57:06 ◼   ► what age do you think you were when you

00:57:08 ◼   ► saw Star Wars and Empire I don't know

00:57:10 ◼   ► because you certainly didn't see either

00:57:12 ◼   ► or at least the first one in the theater

00:57:14 ◼   ► my parents took me one year DT come out

00:57:17 ◼   ► my parents took me to see et in a

00:57:18 ◼   ► theatre and it scared the pants off me

00:57:20 ◼   ► ET is horrifying Return of the Jedi came

00:57:23 ◼   ► out in 83 I know well what I'm saying is

00:57:25 ◼   ► like it's conceivable that my parents

00:57:27 ◼   ► took me to an age inappropriate movie

00:57:29 ◼   ► like I'm my using ET is my citing an

00:57:31 ◼   ► example of a movie they should not have

00:57:33 ◼   ► taken me to at the time they took me to

00:57:34 ◼   ► it those sand people creeped me out too

00:57:36 ◼   ► and I was a kid yeah I'm pretty sure I

00:57:38 ◼   ► didn't see like Kassar was released

00:57:39 ◼   ► instead

00:57:39 ◼   ► seven but is released in 79 I believe

00:57:42 ◼   ► and I might have seen it then because my

00:57:44 ◼   ► parents were Star Wars fans and they

00:57:46 ◼   ► would be like oh baby he's old enough to

00:57:48 ◼   ► see this now because I would have been

00:57:49 ◼   ► you know five ish in 79 that's when Alex

00:57:51 ◼   ► saw Star Wars so it's conceivable I saw

00:57:53 ◼   ► it them but I don't know I don't

00:57:54 ◼   ► remember exactly it's not like I have

00:57:56 ◼   ► some recollection of seeing a new

00:57:58 ◼   ► openness theater so so I don't know but

00:58:03 ◼   ► for whatever reason like it's not like

00:58:05 ◼   ► my critical facilities for such that I

00:58:06 ◼   ► realized it was it wasn't as good a

00:58:08 ◼   ► movie it's just that like Empire was

00:58:10 ◼   ► just so amazing and and you know it did

00:58:12 ◼   ► crank everything up even to a level of

00:58:14 ◼   ► like a you know a young kid can realize

00:58:16 ◼   ► everything is bigger better and faster

00:58:17 ◼   ► here and more serious and more grim and

00:58:19 ◼   ► even at a young age that appealed to me

00:58:21 ◼   ► so yeah a new hope like it's hard to say

00:58:24 ◼   ► it's the weakest movie because it's so

00:58:27 ◼   ► important and it is so solid and sturdy

00:58:30 ◼   ► and it's not like the same time to think

00:58:33 ◼   ► if it's on yeah I'll watch it I'll keep

00:58:34 ◼   ► watching I've seen in a million times

00:58:36 ◼   ► like there's nothing like bad about it

00:58:38 ◼   ► it's just not quite as sophisticated as

00:58:41 ◼   ► the of the three movies that I listed it

00:58:43 ◼   ► is a little bit more a little bit more

00:58:45 ◼   ► on the nose a little bit more Pat and in

00:58:49 ◼   ► a little weaker and it's not even like

00:58:51 ◼   ► the effects that bother me it's it's

00:58:52 ◼   ► mostly the script and some of the

00:58:55 ◼   ► logistics of the story the other three

00:58:57 ◼   ► movies even the one with the Ewoks just

00:58:59 ◼   ► seem like they just appeal to me more

00:59:03 ◼   ► fair enough alright now that's the end

00:59:07 ◼   ► of our top four lists however I think we

00:59:10 ◼   ► should totally do top four worst there's

00:59:13 ◼   ► only three left but III totally think we

00:59:15 ◼   ► should do five through seven here oh yes

00:59:18 ◼   ► called top four not top seven it's the

00:59:21 ◼   ► name of the show you name the show you

00:59:22 ◼   ► made up the show all right this episode

00:59:24 ◼   ► is now called top seven no no no it's

00:59:26 ◼   ► not four but you're got four worst

00:59:28 ◼   ► movies but only three left so so you're

00:59:31 ◼   ► three you're three worst so so obviously

00:59:35 ◼   ► we all have the three prequels left

00:59:37 ◼   ► nobody put the prequels on the top floor

00:59:38 ◼   ► because we are saying so so I think we

00:59:43 ◼   ► can all paint do we all agree at least

00:59:46 ◼   ► that is episode three the least bad of

00:59:49 ◼   ► them I don't agree no I didn't agree

00:59:52 ◼   ► there okay

00:59:53 ◼   ► so I think there's some discussion to be

00:59:54 ◼   ► had here that who is the least bad oh

00:59:56 ◼   ► listen uh we got a lot of discussion

00:59:59 ◼   ► here

00:59:59 ◼   ► here

01:00:00 ◼   ► for me I think two was worse than what

01:00:01 ◼   ► happened in - nothing no no the middle

01:00:10 ◼   ► of the movie was the really really long

01:00:12 ◼   ► feminine hygiene product ad yeah they're

01:00:17 ◼   ► frolicking by the waterfall with a giant

01:00:22 ◼   ► bra like I've ever seen it was such a

01:00:25 ◼   ► painful for all the two really focuses

01:00:28 ◼   ► on the romance between and it's it is

01:00:33 ◼   ► one of the worst at one of the least

01:00:36 ◼   ► plausible love stories that's when

01:00:40 ◼   ► Anakin gets super creepy yeah yeah so so

01:00:46 ◼   ► I would say like much so I don't even

01:00:48 ◼   ► think I can rank them because they're so

01:00:49 ◼   ► bad I mean see at least like in in three

01:00:53 ◼   ► there's enough action going on and most

01:00:56 ◼   ► of it it doesn't matter and is way too

01:00:58 ◼   ► long drawn-out but there's enough action

01:01:00 ◼   ► going on in three that the plot does

01:01:03 ◼   ► meaningfully advance in a way that is

01:01:06 ◼   ► not as boring as the first two so I

01:01:08 ◼   ► think three is the least bad of the

01:01:11 ◼   ► prequels right where he like just

01:01:15 ◼   ► doesn't fight for half of it what's his

01:01:17 ◼   ► name doesn't matter he dies anyway is

01:01:27 ◼   ► not it's not police bad as far as I'm

01:01:30 ◼   ► concerned because as as I've talked

01:01:32 ◼   ► about again on the apparel like the

01:01:34 ◼   ► whole the whole idea of the prequels the

01:01:35 ◼   ► whole reason we have prequels is like

01:01:37 ◼   ► could we get we've got the original

01:01:38 ◼   ► trilogy we've got Darth Vader and we

01:01:39 ◼   ► learn that it used to be a good guy at

01:01:42 ◼   ► hang out with obi-wan right and so the

01:01:44 ◼   ► the job of the prequels is I how did

01:01:46 ◼   ► this good guy turn into Darth Vader like

01:01:48 ◼   ► that's the whole job that's the whole

01:01:50 ◼   ► reason the movies exist we don't care

01:01:51 ◼   ► about anything else in these movies

01:01:52 ◼   ► except we know that this guy's gonna end

01:01:54 ◼   ► up as Darth Vader and we're like how'd

01:01:57 ◼   ► that happen cuz he was nice and then we

01:01:58 ◼   ► got like three sentences about it and it

01:01:59 ◼   ► became bad so they got three movies to

01:02:01 ◼   ► explain what he turns bad and they blow

01:02:03 ◼   ► the first two not explaining that they

01:02:05 ◼   ► make two terrible movies don't explain

01:02:06 ◼   ► that they got one movie left explain to

01:02:08 ◼   ► me why this guy becomes Darth Vader

01:02:10 ◼   ► right because the first two movies

01:02:11 ◼   ► nothing could explain to

01:02:13 ◼   ► he could become Darth Vader he explained

01:02:15 ◼   ► to you why he is annoying jerk but not

01:02:17 ◼   ► because Darth Vader is a particular

01:02:20 ◼   ► character who hit three movies to see

01:02:21 ◼   ► and we kind of know what Darth Vader's

01:02:23 ◼   ► deal is and those two movies by the way

01:02:25 ◼   ► the first two you're like there's no way

01:02:27 ◼   ► and help this guy is Darth Vader I just

01:02:28 ◼   ► don't see it right but you know one

01:02:31 ◼   ► movie left maybe you can pull off and I

01:02:32 ◼   ► don't it's it's dreadful it's boring

01:02:34 ◼   ► it's inexplicable that he makes this

01:02:37 ◼   ► turn like there's no there's no

01:02:40 ◼   ► explanation for why he becomes Darth

01:02:41 ◼   ► Vader he's mad about stupid stuff for no

01:02:43 ◼   ► reason it's it's like he he's not it's

01:02:47 ◼   ► just I don't these movies exasperated me

01:02:50 ◼   ► but I having that one because I can't

01:02:52 ◼   ► enjoy the movies I'm like this is your

01:02:54 ◼   ► last chance to explain it and this is

01:02:55 ◼   ► all you've got and they have long

01:02:57 ◼   ► drawn-out battle sequences but I don't

01:02:59 ◼   ► care about them anymore

01:03:00 ◼   ► I dislike Anakin I he's never gonna be

01:03:02 ◼   ► Darth Vader obi-wan doesn't come off

01:03:04 ◼   ► very well either they have the

01:03:06 ◼   ► inexplicable death of Luke and Leia's

01:03:09 ◼   ► mother and just and like the whole thing

01:03:12 ◼   ► is like oh they gotta play the big Darth

01:03:13 ◼   ► Vader mask on him he's becoming Darth

01:03:15 ◼   ► Vader like that payoff was totally

01:03:17 ◼   ► undercut by like they didn't earn that

01:03:19 ◼   ► pay I was like no just get that outfit

01:03:20 ◼   ► off the screen this is not Darth Vader

01:03:22 ◼   ► there's no way in hell this is Darth

01:03:23 ◼   ► Vader you didn't explain to me how this

01:03:24 ◼   ► is gonna be Darth Vader so that's why I

01:03:26 ◼   ► throw Revenge of the Sith out it is

01:03:28 ◼   ► actually at the bottom of my list so you

01:03:32 ◼   ► actually I hate that death where she

01:03:33 ◼   ► dies cuz she's sad yeah no we're useless

01:03:38 ◼   ► robots we can't tell you and by the way

01:03:40 ◼   ► we couldn't tell you the gender of your

01:03:41 ◼   ► child before and/or that it was twins

01:03:44 ◼   ► yeah we have spaceships we maybe not oh

01:03:49 ◼   ► don't tell me I want to be surprised

01:03:50 ◼   ► do you want to be surprised there's two

01:03:51 ◼   ► babies in there too is that what you

01:03:53 ◼   ► want to be surprised yeah I was like why

01:03:55 ◼   ► isn't she getting like you know checked

01:03:56 ◼   ► out isn't there like science it was a

01:03:58 ◼   ► second you want to keep it a secret but

01:04:00 ◼   ► it's like just for the health of the

01:04:01 ◼   ► baby you have to do some minimal stuff

01:04:03 ◼   ► and then when they do like the you know

01:04:04 ◼   ► the prenatal care no is she taking her

01:04:08 ◼   ► vitamins that's why she died yeah that I

01:04:12 ◼   ► mean I totally agree with all of that

01:04:14 ◼   ► criticism of three however I think one

01:04:17 ◼   ► and two were worse technic ones is

01:04:20 ◼   ► giving it a run for money just because I

01:04:22 ◼   ► feel like tank phones is just really bad

01:04:25 ◼   ► and if I take away the

01:04:26 ◼   ► fact that your this is the last movie

01:04:28 ◼   ► and you blow it and you dare to bring in

01:04:30 ◼   ► Darth Vader's costume and for pretend

01:04:32 ◼   ► this guy is Darth Vader if I take that

01:04:34 ◼   ► away Attack of the Clones may be worse

01:04:35 ◼   ► because really just some of that love

01:04:37 ◼   ► scene dialogue is like like seriously

01:04:39 ◼   ► this made it to film in front of

01:04:41 ◼   ► audiences I don't understand I mean see

01:04:42 ◼   ► to me the rise of this jerk as Darth

01:04:45 ◼   ► Vader makes perfect sense if you look at

01:04:47 ◼   ► it as wouldn't you be mad if you grew up

01:04:50 ◼   ► in that stupid world I am so mad there

01:04:56 ◼   ► are no personal connections anywhere I'm

01:04:58 ◼   ► so mad that no dialogue happens in my

01:05:00 ◼   ► world that makes any sense at all and

01:05:02 ◼   ► every event that happens is literally

01:05:04 ◼   ► just people sitting around a conference

01:05:06 ◼   ► room talking to each other that's the

01:05:07 ◼   ► that's everything that matters is just

01:05:09 ◼   ► spoken as exposition in a conference

01:05:11 ◼   ► room and all the actual action doesn't

01:05:14 ◼   ► matter yeah my my best of the prequels

01:05:17 ◼   ► we talked about this in the income from

01:05:18 ◼   ► we we all had to have the same

01:05:20 ◼   ► uncomfortable conversation and like I

01:05:22 ◼   ► have to pick a best one and we kind of

01:05:25 ◼   ► not came to consensus but enough like

01:05:28 ◼   ► there was a majority I think of voting

01:05:29 ◼   ► saying that the Phantom Menace was

01:05:30 ◼   ► actually probably the best one mostly

01:05:33 ◼   ► because you can divorce it so much

01:05:34 ◼   ► because the anagen is a little kid and

01:05:35 ◼   ► who cares little kids are stupid and

01:05:37 ◼   ► silly and it's like a self-contained

01:05:38 ◼   ► adventure movie kind of like a new hope

01:05:40 ◼   ► was and you can separate it from any

01:05:42 ◼   ► Darth Vader stuff and then the Jar Jar

01:05:44 ◼   ► making the movie terrible you know

01:05:50 ◼   ► lightsabers at the end and fighting and

01:05:53 ◼   ► obi-wan is young and it's interesting to

01:05:54 ◼   ► see him like that and it's just it's a

01:05:56 ◼   ► terrible movie but c-3po being built by

01:05:59 ◼   ► Anakin I mean come on like why doesn't

01:06:01 ◼   ► he remember any like that's this but ah

01:06:03 ◼   ► it just makes me so mad that those

01:06:05 ◼   ► droids are in the prequels at all I'm

01:06:07 ◼   ► like why are they there it's ruining

01:06:09 ◼   ► everything like Artoo's like dark who

01:06:12 ◼   ► becomes like a rocket ship like in like

01:06:16 ◼   ► powers go when he was like older in the

01:06:19 ◼   ► other movie is like Oh r2 lost all of

01:06:21 ◼   ► his jetpacks I think God I can fly I

01:06:27 ◼   ► mean I want to smash everything like I'm

01:06:31 ◼   ► I totally agree that three is horrible

01:06:33 ◼   ► but I think one and two or worse and see

01:06:35 ◼   ► for me I actually would rank these as 3

01:06:39 ◼   ► being the least

01:06:40 ◼   ► bad one being in the middle and two

01:06:42 ◼   ► being the worst because while they're

01:06:45 ◼   ► all horrible at least one has you know

01:06:49 ◼   ► as you said it's like things are

01:06:51 ◼   ► happening like a kid's movie you can

01:06:52 ◼   ► forgive it oh you can say oh this is a

01:06:53 ◼   ► movie for three-year-olds right like

01:06:55 ◼   ► things are happening they don't really

01:06:57 ◼   ► matter they're not very well written but

01:06:59 ◼   ► at least something is happening in three

01:07:01 ◼   ► things are happening that do matter just

01:07:04 ◼   ► in batlike they're happening in bad ways

01:07:06 ◼   ► like they're just not well written in to

01:07:08 ◼   ► nothing happens like it's it's like it's

01:07:12 ◼   ► like two and a half hours of almost

01:07:14 ◼   ► nothing and you wonder like as you're

01:07:17 ◼   ► sitting there I think - as I sat through

01:07:19 ◼   ► - felt the longest it's just like I

01:07:22 ◼   ► can't believe this isn't over yet

01:07:24 ◼   ► and it looks like a screensaver and like

01:07:27 ◼   ► I what what is going on here I rather

01:07:29 ◼   ► browse my iPhone during - than any of

01:07:31 ◼   ► the other movies that's why I'm gonna

01:07:34 ◼   ► rank it as better because I can ignore

01:07:37 ◼   ► it eat more easily and it has less

01:07:40 ◼   ► extreme things that make me insanely mad

01:07:43 ◼   ► where it does number one has Jar Jar so

01:07:46 ◼   ► like oh my that yeah I get very easily

01:07:50 ◼   ► perturbed about things like that and he

01:07:52 ◼   ► just gets under my skin so badly I can't

01:07:54 ◼   ► handle even seeing his face

01:07:57 ◼   ► number three gets me so mad because she

01:08:00 ◼   ► dies of sad and he also like goes around

01:08:02 ◼   ► killing children so like that's pretty

01:08:04 ◼   ► disturbing and number three by the way

01:08:06 ◼   ► Padme is like she was like an action

01:08:09 ◼   ► star in the first movie and I don't know

01:08:11 ◼   ► what she was wearing outfits in the

01:08:12 ◼   ► second by the third movie she does

01:08:13 ◼   ► nothing she sits in a little hotel room

01:08:16 ◼   ► she's with child

01:08:19 ◼   ► all she does is lose clothing yeah yeah

01:08:22 ◼   ► the second one she gets her midriff

01:08:24 ◼   ► scratched off but at least she's like

01:08:25 ◼   ► clambering around and fighting and

01:08:26 ◼   ► trying to like whatever in the third

01:08:28 ◼   ► movie she is confined

01:08:30 ◼   ► yeah but the Jedi see the male Jedi's

01:08:32 ◼   ► still have like their robes with creases

01:08:34 ◼   ► like iron creases in them that they're

01:08:36 ◼   ► so pristine and not a speck and she is

01:08:39 ◼   ► like mauled and half dressed by the end

01:08:41 ◼   ► of that battle how fair is that

01:08:43 ◼   ► ridiculous yeah I mean like for me I'm

01:08:44 ◼   ► like from a strong female character

01:08:46 ◼   ► point-of-view 3 I think is the most

01:08:47 ◼   ► offensive

01:08:49 ◼   ► she's totally sideline yeah yeah and

01:08:52 ◼   ► she's she like you know in

01:08:54 ◼   ► in the first one and part of the second

01:08:56 ◼   ► I think she like cares about politics

01:08:59 ◼   ► and is really good at her job and

01:09:01 ◼   ► senator yeah she's really involved and

01:09:04 ◼   ► and you know has is very politically you

01:09:06 ◼   ► know driven and everything and then like

01:09:08 ◼   ► oh now I'm pregnant and I just stopped

01:09:10 ◼   ► caring about the entire government

01:09:14 ◼   ► what's going on out there any but it's

01:09:17 ◼   ► like the writing of her in that is so

01:09:20 ◼   ► insulting to women is so bad it's so

01:09:23 ◼   ► implausible that she would fall for him

01:09:25 ◼   ► in the second movie that she would stay

01:09:26 ◼   ► with him in the third movie at all right

01:09:28 ◼   ► what's with that bondage outfit they put

01:09:30 ◼   ► her into and they're like the romance

01:09:32 ◼   ► scene in front of the fire I'm like oh

01:09:35 ◼   ► we're all the choices were wrong that

01:09:38 ◼   ► whole it's just like it's an the whole

01:09:40 ◼   ► love story was little I was just mad he

01:09:43 ◼   ► was just absolutely it was like it was

01:09:45 ◼   ► written by a 15 year old geek 15 year

01:09:48 ◼   ► olds are more sophisticated

01:09:51 ◼   ► they're pretty good alright so I guess

01:09:56 ◼   ► our did we are we done do we know our

01:09:58 ◼   ► rankings for the provider no we were

01:10:00 ◼   ► just talking the loudest talk once we

01:10:02 ◼   ► get through the four all bets are off

01:10:03 ◼   ► and we could we could just list off our

01:10:05 ◼   ► rankings of the from from the number

01:10:08 ◼   ► five six and seven seven being the worst

01:10:10 ◼   ► all right so - five six seven two three

01:10:14 ◼   ► one okay all right and I go 3-1 to Tina

01:10:20 ◼   ► and I go one three - all right another

01:10:24 ◼   ► number two in the bottom I find the

01:10:25 ◼   ► numbering confusing I'm giving you the

01:10:29 ◼   ► number five Phantom Menace number six

01:10:32 ◼   ► attack of the clones number seven

01:10:33 ◼   ► Revenge of the Sith tackle clones is a

01:10:35 ◼   ► real contender for worst agreed on that

01:10:40 ◼   ► okay so on that note yeah I think I

01:10:44 ◼   ► think we're all done yeah guys thank you

01:10:46 ◼   ► for coming and joining us and I'm super

01:10:48 ◼   ► excited to get another great lady into

01:10:50 ◼   ► podcasting miss Tina

01:10:52 ◼   ► oh I hope maybe you join us or someone

01:10:57 ◼   ► again I think it was did you have fun

01:11:00 ◼   ► was it good

01:11:01 ◼   ► this is your podcasting debut it is the

01:11:05 ◼   ► question is will you ever do it again

01:11:06 ◼   ► like did we did we

01:11:07 ◼   ► scare you off are you now kind of into

01:11:09 ◼   ► it I have to hear myself first but yeah

01:11:15 ◼   ► I like bringing all the new voices out

01:11:17 ◼   ► on top for the most important

01:11:19 ◼   ► influential podcast oh you know I know

01:11:21 ◼   ► what I wanted to mention if a really fun

01:11:24 ◼   ► show that I was watching with Alex

01:11:25 ◼   ► recently about Star Wars that I find

01:11:28 ◼   ► absolutely hilarious especially when it

01:11:30 ◼   ► comes to the prequels is it's on I guess

01:11:33 ◼   ► it's on Disney XD but it's the Lego Star

01:11:36 ◼   ► Wars droid tales mmm and it's it's like

01:11:40 ◼   ► it's a c-3po r2d2 story that that takes

01:11:45 ◼   ► place after the Return of the Jedi

01:11:47 ◼   ► celebrations where r2d2 gets kidnapped

01:11:51 ◼   ► and c-3po is going to go try and find

01:11:53 ◼   ► him and they're they do a lot of

01:11:55 ◼   ► flashback scenes where c-3po is telling

01:11:57 ◼   ► various people who are helping him you

01:12:00 ◼   ► know the whole story starting from

01:12:02 ◼   ► episode 1 through Return of the Jedi and

01:12:04 ◼   ► there's some really funny zingers in it

01:12:07 ◼   ► in references to like to the first three

01:12:09 ◼   ► movies like there was this one scene

01:12:11 ◼   ► where it's like the it was around the

01:12:13 ◼   ► pod racing scene in episode 1 where

01:12:15 ◼   ► qui-gon and and whoever they were

01:12:18 ◼   ► talking with somebody about entering the

01:12:21 ◼   ► pod race and in the background is um

01:12:23 ◼   ► Watto is he the flying guy yep yeah he's

01:12:26 ◼   ► like in the in the background and he's

01:12:28 ◼   ► waving a red flag and he's saying red

01:12:30 ◼   ► flag get your red flag and like it was

01:12:32 ◼   ► sort of you know in reference to you

01:12:35 ◼   ► know they're talking about Anakin doing

01:12:36 ◼   ► in the podrace and it's like you know

01:12:37 ◼   ► red flag Anakin is gonna turn into

01:12:39 ◼   ► something bad you know and they just do

01:12:41 ◼   ► all sorts of little quips like that

01:12:43 ◼   ► through it but I don't know I thought

01:12:44 ◼   ► that was a really fun serious I think

01:12:47 ◼   ► there's like five episodes and it's all

01:12:49 ◼   ► done in Lego yeah it's very like you

01:12:52 ◼   ► would you would think that George Lucas

01:12:54 ◼   ► was not involved because it makes fun of

01:12:56 ◼   ► the prequels merciless yes you would

01:12:58 ◼   ► think like that that someone made this

01:12:59 ◼   ► on youtube and it's not a sanctioned

01:13:01 ◼   ► thing but it totally is well no it's

01:13:03 ◼   ► Disney so it was I think post Lucas I

01:13:06 ◼   ► know I know but on this thing it's like

01:13:07 ◼   ► you would think it's not official like

01:13:08 ◼   ► Star Wars but it is and I maybe it

01:13:10 ◼   ► wouldn't have gotten made of Lucas was

01:13:11 ◼   ► still involved but I mean it makes fun

01:13:13 ◼   ► at all the movies it makes yes you know

01:13:15 ◼   ► it is irreverent about all of them but

01:13:17 ◼   ► every joke you can think of making for

01:13:18 ◼   ► the prequels they make it on the

01:13:19 ◼   ► so it's it's it's worth watching it's

01:13:21 ◼   ► funnier than you think it's gonna be if

01:13:22 ◼   ► you know a lot about Star Wars you know

01:13:24 ◼   ► check it out cool all right thanks a lot

01:13:27 ◼   ► for coming on mr. mrs. siracusa and I

01:13:30 ◼   ► think we're all done for the night right

01:13:32 ◼   ► yeah yeah cool

01:13:34 ◼   ► all right we'll see you whenever we do

01:13:35 ◼   ► the show next I don't know next month

01:13:37 ◼   ► what are we doing just too much of oh I

01:13:43 ◼   ► don't know what we're gonna eat next

01:13:45 ◼   ► Sunday we got to do this mio sauce one

01:13:47 ◼   ► next next let me see you guys in person

01:13:49 ◼   ► somewhere we're doing tomato sauce

01:13:50 ◼   ► alright stay on target all right yeah

01:13:53 ◼   ► thanks everyone don't end this one on a

01:13:56 ◼   ► gargle wait well I suppose end it on

01:13:58 ◼   ► you'll find something okay sour sound

01:14:01 ◼   ► effect there's a million of them are

01:14:02 ◼   ► there any Star Wars gargles

01:14:08 ◼   ► [Music]