The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► I'm never buying a car ever again I bet [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► that's not true that's like me saying [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► I'm perfectly happy with my computer [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► setup I'm never changing anything I mean [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► come on we know each other and we know [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► ourselves entirely accurate well done [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► sir [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► we're traveling and well two thirds of [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► us are traveling over the next three or [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► four weeks and as it turns out in as [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► with all things we accidentally [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► scheduled our vacations in a not [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► terribly convenient way basically in [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► sequence yeah basically we are we are [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► doing vacationing in serial and not [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► parallel yeah this is a this is a single [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► core single threaded vacation operation [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► here at the XML tech podcast and so [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► we're going to have to squeeze in like [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► 17 weeks worth of shows in the span of [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► like three weeks not literally of course [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► but that's what it feels like and [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► because of Gary the privacy clown I'm [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► not gonna disclose any more than that [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► but suffice to say yeah we did not plan [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► well whoops it's almost like Adobe wrote [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► our schedule figure that well there's [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► nothing Adobe writes is parallel hey Oh [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► we'll be here all week except not really [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► cuz it's like I just said we're going on [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► vacation anyway how are you guys totally [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► fucked how's the dog John hanging in [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► there doing dog things how much of your [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► house remains both intact and not [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► covered in pee oh it's entirely covered [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► in pee it goes for the soft items a [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► little bit of chewing on the stairs and [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► cabinets and furniture but really mostly [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► goes for the toilet paper and stuff like [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► high-value targets soft targets you [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► shred that toilet paper make a giant [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► mess in a matter of seconds you almost [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► want to take some like pictures or video [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► but then you do have to actually clean [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► up and encourage the dog to do this but [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► it is kind of cute it's the thing that [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► puppies have puppies and babies their [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► cuteness is their defense that's [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► absolutely accurate all right let's [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► start with some follow-up and it starts [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► with Andrew Burwell who writes in to say [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► I found this website to be a [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► particularly good [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► for best TV settings and this is our [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► Tings comm slash TV we'll put a link in [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► the show notes they use calibration [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► tools on the TV and adjust each brand [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► and model of TV to its best settings [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► possible given that they're all [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► manufactured the same way you could [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► expect reasonable calibration using this [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► method they give you screenshots of your [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► particular TV menus with the settings [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► you need to use I have an ancient TV [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► that is 1080 but it is ancient and I [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► have never bothered I'm sorry Todd and [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► John I've never bothered setting it up [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► properly and I need to dig into this [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► website and see if they have settings [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► from ITV because I've never cared enough [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► to really make it work as we discussed [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► last episode and this sounds pretty [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► great that I need to check this out yeah [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► actually so after last episode and after [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► John scolded me into you know thinking I [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► needed to calibrate my TV the first [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► thing I did was not to download an app [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► to try to do it the first thing I did [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► was search the web for other people's [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► calibration settings for this TV because [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► it's a current model TV and there's a [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► lot of nerds out there who would do this [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► kind of stuff and publish their results [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► this was the first thing that came up [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► and so a few hours before the whole [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► world's are telling me to go to this [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► site I had actually already done it and [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► had tried their settings with very minor [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► modifications all I did was make it a [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► little bit brighter and make it slightly [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► closer to neutral white balance and it's [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► great and so I haven't changed it since [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► it's been wonderful so that's better [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► than nothing but I would still encourage [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► people to actually use the calibration [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► app because they say oh yeah all TV's [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► they're all the same like you know [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► there's not there's no variance in [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► manufacturing or age or anything like [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► it's it's just not true like this will [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► get you in the ballpark to actually find [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► out if your TV's kalbarri you have to go [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► through calibration of some kind and [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► these probably get really really close [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► right but even just based on like how [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► bright your room is and where the [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► windows are and if you mostly watch TV [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► during the day or the night would you [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► want to have one sort of in the middle [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► setting or have a daytime and a [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► nighttime setting and by the way look at [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► this website is way better than things [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► used to be when I calibrate it when I [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► last calibrated my TV was still more of [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► the Wild West this is so nice with like [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► the pictures of the menus and easy to [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► find your TV you don't have to go [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► through forums and download these text [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► files with the listings of all the [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► settings and stuff like that but looking [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► at the settings for Markowski [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► be on this website it shows the TV's [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► still suck where it's like well if you [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► put this setting on these settings go [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► from a menu to a slider and you can't [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► use this setting with that thing and the [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► again the words don't make any sense in [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► the menus and I don't understand why [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► they have like these Smart TVs have [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► little computers in there right there [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► running entire operating systems and yet [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► the settings are all like well only the [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► setting called PC can have these [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► settings and when you put on game mode [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► only these things are available and like [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► I mean sometimes it makes sense where [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► they're turning things off but this [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► should all be downloadable standardized [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► like even just not across all [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► manufacturers obviously but just like [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► there shouldn't be no dumb limitations [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► they don't like only the PC input can [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► support a particular color space and [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► stuff like that [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► nothing should have weird code words [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► everything should be in like normal tech [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► terms not branding terms shouldn't be [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► like warm to warm size one doesn't help [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► anybody and the weird limitations of [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► like Oh only in the ISF expert mode can [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► you change this setting but if you did [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► the standard setting these three things [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► aren't available but in this one like [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► you don't get to pick the gamma it's [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► like just just make them all the same [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► and look and and you only have like five [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► different settings like oh I've used of [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► all my settings and actually sometimes [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► you only get one setting that lets you [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► change everything but that one setting [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► doesn't let you enable game mode it's [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► like there should be an unlimited number [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► of settings it's not like a game where [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► you're trying to make it so they can [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► only have to save slots that make the [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► game art or like how is it that we have [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► these complete webOS operating system on [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► there and yet you still only have you [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► know five sets of settings and they all [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► and they're all slightly different from [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► each other so well let me provide a [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► counterpoint here have you ever gone to [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► a one of these places like chopped it's [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► like a basically like a salad assembly [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► thing like it's like Subway for salads [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► mm-hmm I have not [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► I knew Casey would have I knew Troy what [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► I've never I've never heard of this [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► thing okay so basically so when I go to [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► a place like this there you know you can [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► you can do the thing where you just [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► create your own salad from you know bare [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► parts or you can have like one of the [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► preset salads that's on the wall if the [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► only option was here is an array of 40 [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► different ingredients and you tell me [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► what kind of salad you want and I make a [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► if I went to that restaurant I I would [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► have no idea what to make I would make a [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► crap salad it would just be terrible it [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► would be bland or uncreated or would [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► have weird ratios or whatever else I [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► always order off the presets and if and [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► I might adjust things slightly within [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► one of the presets I like some guidance [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► because I am NOT a salad power user and [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► so I don't really like I need some [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► starting points some presets asking for [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► although I'm not asking for they're not [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► three presets I'm asking for there could [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► be like say there's like a thousand [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► things you can change in the TV but I [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► all means ship seventeen presets in fact [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► I would like an app store for presets [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► even like where these websites wouldn't [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► have to exist you can just but the whole [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► point is if you decide hey I want to [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► make a new setting called you know [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► Marcos setting there should be no [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► limitations like up sorry you only get [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► five settings and they're the presets [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► and if you change one of them then you [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► change one of the presets the only way [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► to get it back as a factory default [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► should be like new thing and you could [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► start like would you like this new [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► setting to start from one of the [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► standard ones sure start from the [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► whatever setting and then when you go in [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► there all thousand switches should be [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► available to you preset to whatever they [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► were from the setting you inherit from [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► there should be no limitations like oh [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► you have to name his input capital T and [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► capital C and it's the only one that can [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► show the entire you know this is the old [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► world like the only one that doesn't do [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► overscan you have to call the input PC [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► and you only get one of those sorry and [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► it has to be this particular input or [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► whatever right they should be uniform [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► and you should be able to make as many [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► new ones as you want and you shouldn't [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► lose the presets and in fact it's such [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► an easy opportunity to make presets [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► something like downloadable sinkable [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► shareable with friends like they should [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► cultivate these forums say if someone [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► wants to run some fancy calibration app [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► and make a branded setting and make it [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► downloadable you should be able to go to [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► that URL and pull down the settings for [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► whatever there should be no dumb [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► arbitrary limitations that don't make [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► any sense that's what I'm saying not [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► that you should have presets well but I [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► I respect the idea of of what is exposed [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► most of the time to me the user is [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► here's some presets and if you go into [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► them there are a few not even a lot [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► there are a few things you can tweak [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► under each one and then only in the [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► expert ones buried like three levels [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► deep even within those are all the [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► different options that you want but I [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► actually don't want most of me because I [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► know that most of those options I [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► shouldn't touch those cuz hey I don't [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► you really care and be anything I would [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► adjust there I would probably be making [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► things worse because I don't know I'm [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► doing you can hide them under to vance [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► off and just like to do an app [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► preferences you don't expose all the [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► perfect it's like you have nitpicky [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► settings like they're not not there it's [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► just that you don't see them unless you [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► really dig for them right so you put the [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► top and really honestly the things the [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► number of things you need to adjust on [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► television [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► aside from turning off stuff which is [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► kind of annoying that you would have to [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► dig through it right I mean just look at [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► the the setting preset they recommend [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► it's like every single feature this [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► television has off off off off [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► no sharpness enhancement no vibrancy no [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► edge whatever no motion anything just [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► off off off everything right it's [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► annoying that you have to do that right [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► but that aside you really just need to [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► change two or three settings brightness [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► contrast different color balance things [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► and that's it it's not like there's a [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► hundred things you can do for picture [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► quality mostly you're just turning crap [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► off so yeah by all means have a [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► hierarchy of settings have here at the [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► three or four things you probably might [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► want to change and advanced picture [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► advanced motion advanced whatever when [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► you dig down and down if you want to [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► make it higher even though things that's [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► fine but I don't like it when options [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► aren't available to you or like well in [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► this mode you get three settings for [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► this thing but in this mode you get a [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► slider that has you know five hundred [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► settings for it why we just decided [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► that's what it is you know we got a two [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► other interesting pieces of feedback [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► around this Malcolm Hall wrote in to [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► tell us that some people have been [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► buying Samsung has a product called [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► smart signage which is basically a TV [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► sized monitor and that's it so the idea [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► is you take a monitor that's you know 40 [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► 50 60 70 inches but it doesn't have [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► anything smart in it presumably it just [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► has like HDMI or or equivalent and [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► nothing else there is no speakers [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► there's no smartness it's just a dumb [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► display and if you're hooking this up [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► like a sound bar or a or a stereo system [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► I mean I guess some of you could go [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► crazy enough to do surround sound but [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► anyway if you hook it up to some other [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► external speaker system then you don't [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► have to fight all the silly smartness [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► which isn't exactly what you two were [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► talking about because you two were just [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► talking about calibrating the screen but [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► but that's kind of neat and an [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► additionally safecom wrote in to say [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► that Samsung is also trying to do [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► a frame TV which is designed to look [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► like nothing at all or not a TV at all [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► until you want it to be a TV and then it [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► will go from like a still picture to a [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► regular traditional TV and that probably [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► isn't the best word picture that I've [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► just painted but we'll put links to both [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► these in the show notes I saw that video [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► but like it's so it's hard to tell from [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► video but like is it is it still like a [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► light-emitting display when it didn't [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► like the frame mode yeah that's entirely [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► like a marketing BS because there's no [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► way you wouldn't know that's a TV like [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► they always put it in lighting it's like [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► it looks just like the paintings like [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► because they put it in like a picture [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► frame like oh it's like a painting right [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► but you know it's not especially if [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► there's a LCD TV with terrible black [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► levels like that we no way there we go [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► bright sunlight shining on your wall on [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► an actual painting of a sailboat next to [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► like a sailboat picture on your [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► television I don't know who they think [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► they're fooling with that but I mean I [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► guess it looks nice if you have decor [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► things there's a lot of a lot of [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► televisions that you buy look like you [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► know whatever they look like technology [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► products they look like computer [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► equipment or whatever and if you don't [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► want that look if you want to look more [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► like a piece of furniture that some [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► people do this is a good look for your [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► television but no you're something to [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► think that people are going to believe [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► it's a painting because they will not [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► because it does not look like a TV maybe [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► it was color a ink that would work but [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► we don't have that tech I feel like any [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► any technology that tries to hide a TV [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► that's solving the wrong problem like [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► remember when when computers first came [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► out when we were all children [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► well when Casey and I were children and [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► and and a lot of times our parents would [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► make the computer live in some kind of [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► giant cabinet that would like close with [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► big door like wooden doors sometimes [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► they put TVs in there too but usually [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► like the computer was what was hidden in [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► this in this giant wooden cabinet by the [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► wall and fro and and that was like a [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► certain generation like the default mode [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► was to hide technology you know [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► oftentimes like our parents generation [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► and then now it's like well no you you [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► have to use that like that that's just [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► normal to see in a house it would be [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► weird if you saw a house that didn't [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► have a TV in it now and so I feel like [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► trying to hide a TV like it's you're [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► just kind of fighting a losing battle [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► like you're gonna either have a really [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► strange looking picture on the wall [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► or you're gonna have some kind of crazy [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► complex thing like one of those you know [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► raising and lowering things for the TV [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► slides up out of a dresser you know see [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► that like that that's just doomed to [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► break and fail and we it's you know [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► that's that's no good either like just [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► have a TV that you don't mind the look [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► of and if you don't want a TV in a room [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► don't put a TV in that room like [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► anything else besides just trying to own [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► it is is not gonna go well for you [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► same deal with baldness by the way TV's [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► bless you think that's an old thing [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► people still totally do that in the most [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► recent this old house house I recall [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► they have a television that they were a [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► putting over their fireplace which is [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► way too high for TV and B wanted to hide [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► with the set of folding doors that like [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► had a painting and to raid it into them [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► so when it was closed they're just like [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► a painting like an actual painting or [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► whatever eventually I just made use wood [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► paneled doors because I guess someone [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► talking about the painting idea but yes [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► people still want to hide their [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► televisions and I guess people don't [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► like it you know like decor wise it [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► doesn't look nice to have a big black [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► rectangle and and I think even these [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► picture frame ones to have a big monitor [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► turned on too you know a picture of a [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► sunset or something we just don't have [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► the text it's not gonna look right [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► people in the chat room are pointing me [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► to color inks yes we have color ink not [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► televisions you can't they don't show [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► motion they did to have that hybrid one [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► remember that one that was like color [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► ink but also LCD for motion so it was [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► like this weird and obviously didn't [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► catch on eventually we could have some [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► kind of display technology that does [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► reflective sort of like in the off mode [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► where you could put a picture on there [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► that would look just like a you know a [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► picture on the wall or at least it'd [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► look like a poster at very least maybe [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► or a very large photograph ad but that [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► could also do the motion of television [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► but we don't have that yet but people [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► still want to hide the TVs and I totally [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► agree with you Mariana I think it's it's [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► ridiculous to hide your television like [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► part of it is almost like you know not [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► just the decor of a big black rectangle [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► but also the idea that people don't want [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► to think of their lives as centering [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► around television like that's somehow a [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► shameful thing because of all like this [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► the television shaming from from I think [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► of both of our childhoods of like you TV [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► rots your brain and don't watch TV and [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► people you know you don't want people to [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► know how much television you watch but [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► if you don't watch that much television [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► maybe don't have a 70 inch televisions I [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► mean [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► like you know the the budget and [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► wallspace reflected by your television [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► choices are not in line with the image [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► you want to project to the outside world [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► like oh we don't even that only [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► television we don't even watch [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► television we just have the 70 inch [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► rectangle here because we were forced to [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► have it probably the neighbors I don't [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► know anyway I never want my television [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► bein and by the way those little [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► cabinets where you put your computers [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► one of the things that I think helps [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► kill those is the fact that our [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► computers are so hot now that you know [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► putting them inside an enclosed cabinet [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► would destroy everything no they were [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► hotter than because back then they were [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► CRTs yeah but like the computers [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► themselves were cooler I mean some of [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► them you know they didn't even have fans [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► over the heatsinks for the CPUs back in [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► the ya-ya series are hot too but like [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► the entertainment center for television [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► use to be like that to memory the [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► entertainment centers were for like your [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► VCR and your game consoles like those [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► were entirely enclosed too maybe they [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► had holes punched out in the back for [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► the wires to go through and most things [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► didn't get that hot like you didn't have [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► you know your Xbox 360 in there as you [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► know your the NES was not getting that [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► hot compared to modern consoles but [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► those things were not a great [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► environment for electronics and today [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► it's mostly worse because our DVR is [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► maybe not our blu-ray players but [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► certainly our game consoles are hotter [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► but the TV's like bar goes are way [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► cooler temperature wise than a CRT or [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► our plasma or anything like that so [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► those actually could go in cabinets or [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► just the now they're the thickness of a [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► piece of paper cabinets don't make any [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► sense anymore I always love to like like [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► the entertainment centers that are that [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► like our parents would have that was [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► mostly during the era of CRT TVs so like [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► they were giant like they made the [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► decision that this tremendous wouldn't [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► monolith thing in the living room that [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► was somehow better than just having a TV [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► like that was fooling nobody yeah and it [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► was and they were huge like they were [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► often way bigger than the television [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► like they were big enough that you could [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► like shelve rows and rows of VHS tapes [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► and stuff and then the other great thing [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► my parents did this too they have one of [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► their house right now you you would buy [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► one and they're expensive like [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► especially the ones that filled an [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► entire wall that's a substantial piece [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► of furniture if you got a nice one not [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► an inexpensive piece of furniture [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► because it's literally massive right and [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► if you got one you were deciding how [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► your television was going to be until [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► you know unless you want to replace that [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► huge expensive piece of furniture or you [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► know unless it's built into your house [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► right and so if you bought one before [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► HGTV you had a four by three hole for a [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► television and then you have to put a [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► sixteen by nine TV in there and so you [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► got shrunk down and if you bought before [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► televisions got really big and you could [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► just barely thick like a 40 inch HDTV in [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► there now you can't get a good TV or you [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► feel like hang out a big TV my parents [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► have to buy based on which TV will fit [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► inside their slightly dated piece of [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► furniture where they fit their [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► television some so with putting your [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► electronics inside a box of any kind [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► it's just not a particularly [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► future-proof idea and it's so true my [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► brother-in-law has a house bill Prime in [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► the late 90s I think and he has in his [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► family room our living room where ever [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► he has like I guess he could call to [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► built-in but basically in the wall is [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► like sunk in and it's about the size of [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► maybe a 40 or 50 inch TV these days and [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► I'm sure left to his own devices he [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► would have like a 9,000 inch monstrosity [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► but because it's in a built in that's in [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► his wall there's not really a lot he can [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► do like to make it bigger he would have [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► to cut into his wall also John you are [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► officially uninvited from ever coming to [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► my house because I have a TV that is not [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► calibrated is it mounted above the [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► fireplace probably I don't know two or [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► three feet off the ceiling which is like [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► a seven or eight-foot ceiling I guess [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► eight-foot ceiling I have to point one [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► sound I have a turntable like this is [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► pretty much your hell is my family room [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► and I like it quite a lot but you're [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► never coming over because I don't want [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► to I don't want to never hear the end of [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► this we have no option so so our family [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► room I wasn't trying to make this an [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► actual conversation but hey here we are [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► our family room and Marco can vouch for [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► this it's very very wide and very [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► shallow if that makes sense and so [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► because of that there's no real [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► convenient way to have a TV in the room [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► unless you put it in the corner and like [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► twist the furniture in the room till be [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► in the corner but it's a very shallow [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► room so the the best place for it in [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► terms of room and furniture flow is [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► above the fireplace and that's where it [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► is but but I understand and I rec [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► knives that for the optimum TV viewing [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► experience that is probably not the [TS]

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00:21:54 ◼   ► speaking of calibration which we were [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► talking about about 45 minutes ago [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► thx has a has a tune up app thx tune up [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► that is I guess pretty well regarded [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► it's for Android and iOS unfortunately [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► not for the Apple TV however people are [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► asking for calibration apps and I [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► suggested this to mark oh I assume like [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► oh there must be a bunch of government [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► it turns out no there Apple TV is the [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► the Apple TV app store is not looking [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► too good if there's a good one probable [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► to be I couldn't find it put it that way [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► i-i think i downloaded or purchased [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► every Apple TV app that has anything to [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► do with calibration and they are all [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► pretty terrible [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► thx tune-up I used years ago and still [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► out there it's not an Apple TV app which [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► follows me in a couple of ways because [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► like well you know what's the point like [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► why why do I have to also have a you [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► know phone or an iPad and then somehow a [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► way to project that to the TV they're a [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► chromecast or an Apple TV but if you [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► have the one combination I know it works [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► you have an iOS device like an iPad or [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► an iPhone and you also have an Apple TV [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► you run the thx tune-up app on your iOS [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► device in your hand and then you airplay [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► it to the TV and the reason I don't like [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► that is because as far as I know airplay [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► is lossy compressed over-the-air that is [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► that correct to mark on you might now [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► video is is lossy compressed audio is [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► lossless alright so but week everybody [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► here in this case and so like does you [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► really want to run a calibration app [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► compressed occur I mean some parts of it [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► work like the you know the geometry [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► stuff and the you know making sure you [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► can see all the pixels and stuff like [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► that but but anyway the app itself is [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► actually decent it does the important [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► things of saying here's a screen here's [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► what it's supposed to look like in words [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► adjusted until you can see all six boxes [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► or until you can barely make out those [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► numbered you know seven over here or but [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► like they they tell you what you're [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► looking for and then you can then it's [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► up to you to mess with your television [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► and do it it's a great way to test your [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► calibration things if you download those [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► settings from that website [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► who knows maybe it's dead on for your TV [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► run through the calibration screens and [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► it would be like you should see six [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► boxes you'd be like yep I see six boxes [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► go to the next one [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► you should see the number nine family [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► visible and you shouldn't see 10 yep I [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► see it go to that you'll it'll take you [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► 30 seconds right but if you go through [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► it and it's off then you get into the [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► hole it's time to actually calibrate [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► your TV or make it a them in a nighttime [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► setting or whatever so I was going to [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► bring up in well actually you and say [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► well actually why don't you use or I [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► guess let me do this right well actually [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► you should use the lightning digital AV [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► Adapter but doesn't that use airplay [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► behind [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► means anyone yes doesn't doesn't have [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► like little h.264 decoder encoder thing [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► there and a tiny iOS device or something [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► yeah panic with the whole blog post [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► about him yeah yeah so obviously is not [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► the ideal thing and and uh this is the [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► the next bit of follow up here from John [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► Duffin and a lot of people are giving us [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► tips about this I figured it was maybe [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► someone Twitter was saying I was saying [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► Lucasfilm DVDs and blu-rays have [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► calibration things on them like if you [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► go to their menus like deep in the [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► extras section someone was telling me [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► that most Pixar blu-rays and DVDs have [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► calibration apps again somewhere buried [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► in there extras menu on them john Duffin [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► road and tell us that if you have a Sony [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► Pictures blu-ray and you type Sony on [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► the title screen like seven six nine [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► seven six six nine like telephone [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► dialing Sony I suppose it will open the [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► calibration screen which seems pretty [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► sneaky cuz who the heck knows how to do [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► that I should actually put it in the [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► menu these are all ways to get a better [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► source for calibration especially from [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► like blu-ray player please that's that's [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► directly connected to your television [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► and is not lossy compressed h.264 [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► over-the-air through air play the [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► quality of these calibration apps varies [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► but at the very least you can do [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► geometry and you know grayscale levels [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► and brightness and stuff like that and [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► do a reasonable job of it so there's [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► really pretty no excuse for people not [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► to have access to calibrations thing of [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► some kind it's not you have to buy some [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► expensive piece of hardware or software [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► or you know do anything fancier it just [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► surely everyone who's listening to this [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► who has a fancy television that's worth [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► calibrating has a DVD or a blu-ray or [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► access to the iOS App Store to get I [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► think thx turn up is free but if not you [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► know it's the price of a cup of coffee [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► just download it and give it a go [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► counter argument the art things ratings [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► are pretty good and nothing can make me [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► want to boot up the ps4 and play a [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► blu-ray disc somehow in that monstrosity [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► and then get to the monstrosity that is [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► blu-ray discs themselves and then [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► navigate that and do all this when the [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► are things things were good enough [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► you've got an Apple TV you see HX steps [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► it's fun [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► calibrating your TV can be fun or you [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► can just not here that is an officially [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► ATP blast options [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► not gonna make sure that your didn't do [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► we go through this fear with the size [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► that's all I care about in your TV is [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► that it's not an over scan mode no wait [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► wait whoa really I don't want it to be [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► I've tried everything I knew how to do [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► to fix it I'm not I'm not proud of this [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► I sound proud I'm gonna get about the [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► car buying get rid of that TV but but [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► the mount that we have in our wall I [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► think only support you know pristine [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► 1080 versions of a show and then it's [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► stretched to non-native res and you're [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► stripping all the edges when you wash [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► absolutely accurate absolutely I'm not [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► proud of this I know I sound all smug [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► and proud I'm not it's just I have spent [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► what I consider to be an inordinate [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► amount of time trying to fix this which [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► is to say like five or ten minutes and [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► yeah I couldn't figure it out and I was [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► I just don't care enough I just don't I [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► want it to be fixed it's not that I [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► don't want it to be fixed I just don't [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► care enough so I would invite you Joe [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► down John to fix it but a you would [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► never travel that far unless under [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► duress and be you would hate everything [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► you saw and potentially firebomb my [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► house I've only Marco had purchased this [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► television two years earlier because we [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► ran it by now he'll be buying another [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► television you know it's sitting behind [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► my chair in my living room you want it [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► probably weighs a ton well yeah excuse [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► if you want to come pick it up you can [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► have it well we'll talk about that later [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► all right tell me about your small [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► speaker amp Marco [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► oh yeah million people ask I I mentioned [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► very quickly in passing last episode [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► that my preferred setup was just this [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► tiny little Class D amplifier cards [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► driving just two speakers without a [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► subwoofer without surround anything like [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► that and a million people have asked me [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► since then which amp it is and the [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► reason I didn't say is because it is the [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► NuForce dia or dia I don't know dia and [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► it's been it was discontinued like three [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► years ago and and new for the entire [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► company of new force was bought by this [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► other company that apparently all the [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► fans of new force hate and they say [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► they've ruined all their products since [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► then so I didn't feel comfortable [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► recommending it because it's not only [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► can you not get in anymore but the [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► things that you can get now have pretty [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► crappy reviews from people who used to [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► like the old stuff [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► so there is now this there's this giant [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► class of small like Class D amplifiers [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► and like getting into the details of [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► like what like Class A and Class A B and [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► all these different amplifier topologies [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► are Class D basically allows you to make [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► an amp very very small and low heat and [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► low power and audio files don't like it [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► as much as the other kinds but for the [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► purposes of like you know speakers on TV [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► it's totally fine and and so Class D am [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► sorry there's lots of them if you search [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► Amazon for a class D amp there there's a [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► ton that are with roughly between one [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► and four hundred dollars that are [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► approximately 25 to 50 watts per channel [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► and many of them support remote controls [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► and so for my little new force one has a [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► little generic remote and I was very [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► very easily able to have the Apple TV [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► learn that up and down volume controlled [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► and that's it so that's what I'm using [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► now if I had to buy new today I would [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► probably want a little bit more power [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► for driving like floor standards but if [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► you're just driving bookshelves then [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► those little like 20 watt ones are fine [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► on Amazon and again there's a lot so [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► just look for Class D am from oats and [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► they're there there's a lot out there [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► all right now I didn't get a chance to [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► read this but Jonathan Dietz jr. writes [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► in about Type C personality so can one [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► of you take me through this if you don't [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► mind is that like a railer personality [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► that you can insert either direction [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► it's a post title so he's been emailing [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► back and forth with me about a USB [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► type-c stuff since the show that we [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► talked about it he had remember that big [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► long email that he read he wrote an even [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► longer email after i'm like you should [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► make this blog post because there's no [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► way we can even summarize a feedback [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► email this complicated and you should [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► just really make it a blog post like [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► don't just email your you know insights [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► and ideas to a single or a couple of [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► people put it up on the web for [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► everybody to see because then we can [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► just link to it in the show notes which [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► we will do and then anyone who's [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► interested can read it so if you want to [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► hear even more about the nitty gritty [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► details of USB type-c and all the [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► different alternate modes and what do [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► would take to get hubs of different [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► kinds of stuff take a look at this very [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► long detailed post I think the most [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► salient point in a couple [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► people have brought this up as well is [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► the idea that it's still early enough in [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► us the USB 3.1 spec in the type C spec [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► and all the other stuff that there [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► aren't a lot of chipsets that support [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► all the different protocols and are [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► certified by all the standards bodies [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► and so on and so forth and that most [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► companies that make hubs just by like [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► tips from somebody else or like a [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► reference design from somebody else that [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► has already done all the work to make [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► sure you know the thing actually works [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► and is certified according to all the [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► standards bodies or whatever and they [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► just package it in a box and and slap on [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► a crappy power supply it's gonna break [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► in six months or ever but that's what [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► they do they don't they don't make the [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► chips they want the chips to already be [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► made and a bunch of companies are going [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► to be making these types of chips for a [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► us the new USB specs and they're just [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► coming online now so it could be that [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► you wait another year [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► there could be many more options for you [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► know USB type-c hubs to do fan-out on [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► them and more complicated Thunderbolt [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► hubs and stuff like that so we'll see [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► you could also end up being like [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► firewire where yeah and that'd be even [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► many many years into it the only a few [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► companies make a set of chips and [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► everything still cost a million dollars [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► it's a little steep but anyway I [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► recommend the post he took the time to [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► write a blog post and so now the entire [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► world can share in his knowledge [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► excellent Brian Ross Lee writes in to [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► say are the rumored OLED iPhones going [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► to have issues with image retention if [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► so what measures should we take to [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► prevent it the question is are they [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► going to have more issues with image [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► retention than LCDs do you do you know [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► that your current iOS device if it has [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► image retention because I can tell you [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► that many iOS devices over many many [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► years have had image retention issues in [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► fact maybe yours does now and me telling [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► you this is gonna make you look at it [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► and realize I'll god I have an image [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► retention on my iPad you probably do [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► people don't like to think about it but [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► it is there if you look for it it can [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► get really bad on some devices after [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► some time and other devices hardly show [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► it at all I suppose if you wanted like [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► ignorance is bliss so you probably [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► shouldn't do this kind of like in the [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► old days when you'd look for dead pixels [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► but Marco has a handy webpage that will [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► put a checkerboard pattern on your [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► screen [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► and you'll leave it there for a while [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► and then you go anywhere else [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► and if you can still see the [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► checkerboard guess what you've got image [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► retention no you don't have to be [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► anywhere else it'll switch over to gray [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► for you that's right you click on us [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► which is the gray after you stare at it [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► for a little but but the whole point is [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► like to convince yourself that Marco is [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► not just trolling you you just launched [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► another app or go to springboard or [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► whatever and you'll still see it there [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► I've never owned you know if you only [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► all that I have is my Apple watch right [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► like that's the only thing I have that's [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► an OLED I have heard that oh I have [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► image retention issues and I've heard it [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► talked about because it's like the [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► successor to plasma like you know [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► because LCD was never really the [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► successor to plasma because the image [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► quality was worse and now here's OLED [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► with image quality that was actually [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► better and the old slam against plasma [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► in addition to all the heat and expense [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► and power use and everything was that it [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► had image retention and of course LCD [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► hasn't retention as well but the all you [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► have a plasma has bad image or Pena so [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► all that I've heard talked about as if [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► it's almost as bad as plasma and so I [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► thinking that it's worse than LCD in [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► terms of search engine but having a [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► never owned one I have no idea guess [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► marker will tell us if the men user [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► burned into his OLED TV so I would [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► suspect that yes [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► oh let iPhones are going to have image [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► retention issues the same exact way is [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► the LCD iPhones at the very least you [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► know I don't see if oh I've had less [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► image retention issues and then LCD it [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► seems like something that you know but [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► you'd be hearing about instead but I [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► hear the opposite that oh oh let watch [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► out image retention so no matter how [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► well the whoever manufactures these [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► screens does surely it will have the [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► same image retention on average as all [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► the other iPhones now I I don't know [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► from year to year device to device [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► manufacturer to manufacturer how the [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► image retention has varied on iOS [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► devices I try not to look for it I see [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► it occasionally still mostly on my iPad [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► I don't know that's because it's I you [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► know I use my iPad more because the [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► screen is bigger and it's easier to pick [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► up on these things but I think most [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► people don't know that LCDs have managed [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► retention on their iOS devices and so [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► therefore I'll probably won't notice [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► that are on there oh let's oh I know [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► what measure should we take to prevent [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► it don't use your device you won't [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► notice any retention [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► Wow I mean like what can you do like [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► you know what can you do to prevent like [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► if you put an image on your screen and [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► you leave it there for a long time but [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► like that's often what we do with our [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► phones is leave an image there for a [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► long time whether you're reading a big [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► page in an e-book and it takes you a [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► certain amount of time to read a page or [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► you're looking at a video and like my [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► children you refuse to put the video in [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► full screen the surrounding frame of the [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► YouTube that's not video is static the [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► whole time you're watching a 20 minute [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► video no like with my television I can [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► tell you as a long time plasma TV owner [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► I don't play video games with a static [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► HUD if I can help it on my big [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► television I don't leave the television [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► pause like I don't hit the pause button [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► on a TiVo or whatever and then leave the [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► room for five minutes [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► if I'm going to leave like Apple TV has [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► a screen saver that will turn on which [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► is actually a useful thing for me [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► because it's actually saving my screen [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► but if I'm gonna leave the room for more [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► than you know two minutes I turn off the [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► television yeah I'll have to turn [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► everything else off just turned the [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► power off on television then turn it [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► back on when you come in but that [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► doesn't apply to iOS devices because [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► it's not like you're leaving it paused [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► you're leaving the room and the screen [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► will turn off and a minute anyway to [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► save your battery so I don't think [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► there's anything anybody can do about it [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► we just have to cross our fingers and [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► help the first batch of these things [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► don't end up having weird discoloration [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► or image retention issues and hope that [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► you get to them but from the good screen [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► manufacturer if there is such a thing [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► this time around and I'll just deal with [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► it okay and finally tell me about [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► Apple's silence on net neutrality the [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► posts on OS news.com asking where's [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► Apple on this hole and the neutrality [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► thing we talked about it I think last [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► show and unlike lots of other issues [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► Apple is not a particularly loud [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► cheerleader in favor of net neutrality [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► to the point where the you know question [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► was also where it does Apple say on this [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► and like I don't know I've never heard [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► them say anything of substance about net [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► neutrality at all again unlike many [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► other issues then this post goes on to [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► speculate why that might be at Apple as [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► it incumbent with the potential you know [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► lots of money and lots of digital goods [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► that they want to send over the wires [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► the like neutrality would favor them [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► because they do have the money to pay [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► anybody and I can get an edge [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► competitors and blow of all sorts of [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► sort of conspiracy theories or whatever [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► but as the biggest tech company in the [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► world I feel like they should be much [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► more vocal than they are I shouldn't be [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► here thinking where does Apple stand [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► neutrality I should already know because [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► they should already have blocked out [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► their web pages and maybe they did that [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► and I'm just missing it I don't know [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► Danny [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► you guys we might recall anything from [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► Apple about a neutral TF er no no yeah I [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► don't know that's disappointing well I [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► mean I don't fault them for like not [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► making their pages black and stuff on [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► certain days because like Apple does not [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► respond well to social pressure to make [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► them change their stuff for the sake of [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► some you know someone else's terms like [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► that's apples not gonna play a ball with [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► that but it's not someone else doing it [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► like they they changed the homepage when [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► George Harrison died like it shouldn't [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► it should be intrinsic not extrinsic [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► should be them deciding that net [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► neutrality is important you know [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► therefore they are going to do this not [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► that they feel PP they feel PP to put [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► George Harrison them no it's just [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► something they decided to do as a [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► company and I hope that that still is [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► within the company that these important [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► causes and important days make the token [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► effort express the values of your [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► company and that Tim Cook's Apple has [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► been doing that iam we talked about this [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► more than Steve Jobs as Apple like [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► expressing the values of the company [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► externally in a in a more bold way that [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► seemed to be more about Tim Cook's [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► values maybe Tim Cook doesn't value net [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► neutrality I don't know if you've never [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► heard him talk about it it's hard to say [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► there's a quote from him in this article [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► that just as a bunch of nothing so [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► doesn't tell you anything we are [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► sponsored this week by aftershokz bone [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► conduction headphones go to ATP [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► aftershocks calm to learn more [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► aftershokz headphones work by bone [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► conduction so small transducers rest in [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► front of your ears not inside or around [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► your ears like most headphones and they [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► send mini vibrations through your cheek [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► bones directly to your inner ear [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► bypassing your ears and eardrums [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► completely so unlike every other kind of [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► headphone bone conduction leave your [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► ears completely open with nothing in [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► them so this brings some major benefits [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► in practice so first of all a lot of [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► people like me can't wear earbuds or [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► in-ear monitors because they actually [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► hurt they physically hurt our ears over [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► aftershokz headphones don't have this [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► problem because nothing is in your ear [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► there are so awesome for exercise and [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► hot weather they stay in place very [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► easily with movement unlike earbuds for [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► me and because they don't cover your ear [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► up I actually find them far less sweaty [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► than regular headphones and if I do [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► sweat or if it starts raining I don't [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► need to care because they are ip55 [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► certified for water resistance and the [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► biggest difference for me with with [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► aftershocks is that and this is the big [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► factor that you should determine whether [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► they are right for you at all is that [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► because nothing is blocking your ears [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► you hear all of the sound of the world [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► around you so they're not great in very [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► loud surroundings but they are awesome [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► if you want to listen to a podcast or [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► take a phone call while you're doing [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► something like walking or running or [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► cycling where you really need to hear [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► the world around you for your own safety [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► or convenience and they also work great [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► if you need to listen for something [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► outside at home or at work while you [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► want to listen to a podcast or maybe [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► maybe if while you're taking a phone [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► call maybe your kids are asleep upstairs [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► and you want to hear if they need [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► anything or maybe you're expecting a [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► package and you don't want to miss a [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► knock on the door bone conduction [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► headphones are incredibly useful tools [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► for I would say listening to podcasts [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► and taking phone calls when you don't [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► want to block out the world around you [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► so check out the flagship model in the [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► aftershocks lineup this is the Trek's [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► titanium I've had one of these for a few [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► months and I find myself using it more [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► than any other portable headphone in the [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► summertime and they are so good at [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► minimizing sweatiness and letting me [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► hear what's going on in the world around [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► me battery life is quoted at six hours [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► of playback 10 days in standby that [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► sounds right to me and with my [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► experience I charged over a few days and [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► I've never run out of power [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► also all aftershokz headphones have a 2 [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► year warranty so check it out the [TS]

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00:41:47 ◼   ► tepee aftershocks calm that's a tepee [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► aftershocks calm thanks to aftershocks [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► for sponsoring our show so we are [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► recording Monday the 17th which is [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► unusual we usually record on Wednesdays [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► and we'll be recording again I think on [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► Thursday yes on Thursday the 20th and [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► this is because of its some vacation [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► stuff and since we have all these [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► vacations that are kind of [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► inconvenient for the purposes of [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► recording the show we thought we would [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► do our possible and you all don't really [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► call it a tradition but it's sort of [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► becoming a tradition ask a teepee and do [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► a Q&A with listeners so rather than [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► asking us or asking you guys rather to [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► inundate us with email we are taking a [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► page out of the my Curley playbook and [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► instead we would like you to use Twitter [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► if at all possible if you please [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► and tweet with the hashtag ask a teepee [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► a ska teepee and if you tweet into the [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► ether with hashtag ask a teepee then it [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► will be added to a nice little document [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► and we will go through it and hopefully [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► read and answer your question sometime [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► is it next step so that we're doing this [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► is that right so the we have planet for [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► next episode however I would like to say [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► with all with the greatest apologies to [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► the upgrade podcast for totally ripping [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► them off I would like to make this a [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► regular segment that I think we should [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► have asked a TP in every show people ask [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► those questions all the time yeah but [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► isn't the joy not having to answer them [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► okay not to be mean or anything but like [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► you're right people do ask those [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► questions all the time but you can [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► understand how often people ask those [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► questions it would be a full-time job [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► for multiple people to try to answer all [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► the questions that are asked to us it's [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► just not possible we don't have to [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► answer all of them but right right right [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► so this don't think this is gonna [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► suddenly make it so that we're gonna [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► answer all your questions but hope that [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► I mean the plan so like we'll answer [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► point zero zero one percent instead of [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► point zero zero zero percent right yeah [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► like like every week we could answer one [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► or two questions like depending on how [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► long the answers are like because I feel [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► like that would help prevent us from [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► getting too much hmm in our own selves [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► about our topic selection and would [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► prevent us from getting too far into [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► just endless cycles of follow up every [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► episode like just have a segment that is [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► just that is guaranteed to be something [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► fresh even in a very slow news period [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► like the summer time by the way this [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► thing we're gonna out going to answer [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► these shows in the next episode we're [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► actually gonna answer this show the [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► answer these questions on August 4th the [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► recording on August 4th come and swim on [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► your next episode maybe [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► I'm just gonna do the whole point is [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► you've got like three weeks to send [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► questions so go nuts yeah and I mean the [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► truth of matter is whether Marco or John [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► wins this Civil War as to whether or not [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► this becomes a regular thing no I [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► totally for it being a regular segment [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► I'm just saying like it don't expect I'm [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► saying to the listeners don't have [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► unrealistic expectations that your [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► questions are gonna get answered because [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► we get so many questions that it's just [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► not possible to answer them all or even [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► even any reasonable portion of it that [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► is true but either way we will have a [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► Google document a Google sheet I guess I [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► should say that will track all of these [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► for us so please go to Twitter if at all [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► possible and use ahead and use the [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► hashtag ask ATP if you don't have access [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► to Twitter then now's a good time to [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► sign up follow que cela CAS ey li SS and [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► also tweet hashtag sk TP but really if [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► you can't and won't suffer through [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► twitter yes you can email us but now you [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► are dodging the official list and it is [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► extraordinarily unlikely unless your [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► question is perfect in every way that we [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► will answer your questions so the [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► pressures that's cold man I just I don't [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► want to get a bazillion emails please no [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► well and the great thing about about [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► Twitter is that it forces you to be [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► brief you know because we don't like we [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► already have a segment of the show where [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► we read multi paragraph emails to you we [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► we don't need to add more so instead if [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► the the an ideal question it should [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► probably be about one sentence and [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► Twitter is great for that so we look [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► forward to your questions with all [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► apologies to the upgrade podcast for [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► ripping off the segment from them you [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► can use more than one tweet though [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► because I feel like there's no tweet [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► storm but 2040 is you take the hash tag [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► already sometimes you just need you know [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► last time we did Q&A I thought we had [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► some really good questions they were [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► like two sentences long that wouldn't [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► fit in a tweet and I don't want to [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► exclude those John that's the challenge [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► that's that's the that's the price you [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► pay to getting your stuff mentioned on [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► air so that's the challenge [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► listeners 140 characters minus seven so [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► what is 133 characters you have to put a [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► space for the hashtag that's true I [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► don't [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► make it happen formatting counts and [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► make sure you get your casing right [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► because let me tell you you don't want [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► John siracusa on your case about casing [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► especially if you're Casey anyway you [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► like a letter U instead of Y oh you [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► forget okay let's uh let's talk briefly [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► about one password because there seems [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► to be a bit of a kerfuffle that's [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► happened over the last week or two and I [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► don't get it and it kind of makes me [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► angry so my understanding having not [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► read deeply into this is that one [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► passwords windows version the latest [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► Windows version no longer supports [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► writing to local vaults and I should [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► probably take a half step back actually [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► so one password is the password manager [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► it's the one that I use it's probably [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► the one that my two co-hosts use yeah I [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► don't want to say that for certainty oh [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► yeah John you're using keychain like an [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► animal aren't you [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► I declined to comment really whichever [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► second is oh no Gary the privacy client [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► clown is so yeah anyway [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► all right well some of us on this show [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► who will remain nameless definitely not [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► SH Marco or SH Maisie definitely use one [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► password and and one of the things that [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► one password has started offering which [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► I think we talked about in the past is [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► family plans and business plans and so [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► the idea here is that the way one [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► password works is that they call kind of [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► a group of passwords and other things as [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► well a vault that's you could think of [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► that kind of like a database and you can [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► pay them money on a recurring basis as a [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► employer or as just a family member and [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► you can have a one or more of these [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► vaults or databases stored on one [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► password servers and then you can have [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► users that are added to your account and [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► then you can share passwords so as an [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► example [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► Shmi and Sharon might have a one [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► passwords per family account where [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► hypothetically they slash we would have [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► individual vaults for our own individual [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► passwords that we don't wish to share [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► and one family vault for passwords that [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► we do wish to share and in my opinion it [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► has worked extremely well I think the [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► one password apps and all the platforms [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► are very well designed I think they're [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► super great [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► the agile bits folks seem to be really [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► good I think they deserve recurring [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► revenue from me and that's why I am a [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► paying subscriber to 1password families [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► my employer pays for one password four [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► teams basically on my recommendation I [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► really like it I really think it's great [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► and among other things and I don't know [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► the specifics about how the mechanism [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► here but one of the things they've said [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► is that in broad strokes they use a very [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► similar encryption scheme as iCloud does [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► so even if one password as a company or [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► actual bits as a company wanted to get [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► into your passwords that are stored on [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► their servers there is nothing they can [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► do to do that without your guess what [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► one password so they've come out the new [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► version for Windows they have stated [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► publicly that this version will not let [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► you write to vaults or databases that [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► are stored locally and yeah and you have [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► to understand that one password kind of [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► came up by being by being able to store [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► its password database its vault in [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► Dropbox so you could have your passwords [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► synced everywhere even without their [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► services so a bunch of angry nerds some [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► of whom are cheap and some of whom are [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► not are getting very angry about the [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► fact that you can't have local vaults on [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► one password for Windows and thus it's [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► clear without a shadow of a doubt that [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► tomorrow or soon thereafter you won't be [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► able to save two local vaults on any of [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► the other platforms now my read on this [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► is that yes there will probably come a [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► time that you will not be able to use [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► local vaults one password because if [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► you're agile bits you probably want [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► recurring revenue to continue to make [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► really world-class apps and thus you're [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► probably going to want to compel your [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► users to pay you on a regular basis and [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► you know what I'm cool with that because [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► they do really great work they take it [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► very seriously and they deserve a little [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► bit of my money every year as far as I'm [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► concerned but oh man the Nerds are very [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► upset so let me start with Marco as a [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► hypothetical one password user Gary the [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► privacy clown I would never disclose [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► whether or not Marco is publicly Marco [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► what do you think you know a similar [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► issue came up when TextExpander went [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► subscription I believe about a year ago [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah with an it was met with [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► similar anger and we talked about on the [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► show too [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► but but I think it's increasingly clear [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► that there are very few models for [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► software to sustain itself economically [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► because the reality is we talked with [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► before so I'll be brief software [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► requires ongoing maintenance it like [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► people have this idea that I'm just [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► gonna buy this app and I'll pay you up [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► front and I don't want to pay [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► subscription I want I want to just pay [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► you once then I own it and that's that's [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► a wonderful idea and for a long time in [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► computing that was somewhat reasonable [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► but today those same people who only [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► want to pay once upfront and then quote [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► own it also expect the manufacturer of [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► said software to constantly issue [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► updates whenever the environment changes [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► so a new OS version comes out they [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► expect a free upgrade a new you know new [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► features come out you know they expect [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► that on a regular basis any kind of [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► service based component that has to [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► change with the times they expect all [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► that to be built in ongoing bug fixes of [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► course like people expect ongoing work [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► for an upfront one-time price [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► indefinitely and that's just not [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► sustainable it's simple as that like no [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► matter what people say they might say I [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► just want to buy it in at once a lot of [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► people do say that but what they want [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► what they demand is ongoing maintenance [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► of that product so the only way to make [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► this work really is either to just have [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► so many paid installs and upgrades that [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► you couldn't just last on that for a [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► while and just accept that you're gonna [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► make you know 40 bucks from some [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► customers up front and then they won't [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► bother you again and some customers will [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► be using your product for eight years [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► and never give you another dime and [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► expect constant free updates and you'll [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► just have to kind of average it out and [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► hope the average works out and that [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► works more often than not in the growth [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► phase of a product so in the beginning [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► when like for for a new app or a or just [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► a very successful app that can work for [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► a long time like when I had Instapaper [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► that works for a long time because it [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► was just growing like crazy as the iOS [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► platform was growing like crazy so the [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► pay once and get free updates forever [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► model worked for a long time and [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► 1password probably has a similar curve [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► here where you know for a while one [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► password has been growing I think [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► because I just keep seeing it everywhere [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► assume it's been doing really well for a [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► few years but these markets are [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► saturating Mac sales are flat iOS sales [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► are leveling off it's pretty [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► significantly over the last few years [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► you know these markets are saturating [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► and so everyone who was depending on [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► that constant growth of the platform to [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► just drive new licenses for a pay once [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► business model I think a lot of those [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► companies are gonna now face this [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► problem of you hey you know what we're [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► seeing this curve flatten out now our [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► income might be dropping or leveling off [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► and we are still having to support this [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► software with a staff and with costs and [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► with ongoing maintenance there has to be [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► some way to fund that and if you're not [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► being able to fund it through the new [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► users coming in that you didn't have [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► before giving you this you know these 30 [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► 40 bucks at a time for the for the [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► one-time license then subscriptions [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► really are the best way to do it now [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► there is an alternative you can do paid [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► upgrades which one password has done for [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► awhile and most these companies that [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► like on the met on iOS it's less common [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► but on the Mac that's how things have [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► worked for a while but paid upgrades [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► have their own problems too for instance [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► you have this weird like feature [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► batching incentive where you as the [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► software developer are incentivized not [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► to really improve the existing version [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► of the app in meaningful ways if you can [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► save those up for the next paid upgrade [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► then you have to like batch up your your [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► releases and possibly not put out [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► anything for like two years then all of [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► a sudden have this boom big drop where [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► you drop a whole bunch of features then [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► you have other problems like feature [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► bloat then he's like what you know look [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► what happened with Microsoft and Adobe [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► after for the last 20 years I'd say [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► lots of companies have gone through this [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► and what you end up coming oh and also [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► like users who hate subscriptions who [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► say they never want to pay that users [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► have similar problems with upgrade [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► pricing because there's problems with [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► that too like neither of these things is [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► perfect for what users expect the [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► upgrade pricing has the problem of what [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► if you buy it and then the next version [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► comes out six months later should you [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► get more of a discount then like someone [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► who bought it five years ago because you [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► just bought it you might be really mad [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► if [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► if the upper a comes out soon after you [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► bought it you might expect that your [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► ancient version running on like OS 10 [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► Tiger should still work today on the [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► newest version of OS 10 but they might [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► say you might you sorry you have to pay [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► an upgrade for the new one like sorry [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► there's problems with that too [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► what it rolls what really boils down to [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► is when you make people pay they'll [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► grumble about it no matter how you make [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► people pay they're going to grumble [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► about it and the one thing they'll [TS]