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00:00:00 ◼   ► all right here we go It's Showtime in

00:00:04 ◼   ► kind of the feedback section I think two

00:00:06 ◼   ► things have been burning a hole in my

00:00:08 ◼   ► inbox and crashing the service at Reddit

00:00:11 ◼   ► oh yeah and the first of those would be

00:00:14 ◼   ► the continuing discussion about our use

00:00:16 ◼   ► of the term ambulance drivers for people

00:00:18 ◼   ► who drive ambulances whether they're

00:00:20 ◼   ► paramedics whether they're ambulance

00:00:21 ◼   ► drivers there are two things I've now

00:00:24 ◼   ► learned and it's not really going to

00:00:25 ◼   ► placate anyone the first is I now have a

00:00:28 ◼   ► better understanding as to why

00:00:29 ◼   ► paramedics were so upset by me

00:00:32 ◼   ► describing someone who drives an

00:00:33 ◼   ► ambulance as an ambulance driver and

00:00:35 ◼   ► that is I think people in like the

00:00:37 ◼   ► medical community like certain doctors

00:00:40 ◼   ► or surgeons or people who think they're

00:00:42 ◼   ► too cool for school use the term

00:00:45 ◼   ► ambulance drivers as an insult for

00:00:47 ◼   ► paramedics hmm it's like a way of

00:00:50 ◼   ► belittling them it's like a nickname

00:00:51 ◼   ► they give them to upset them so it's

00:00:53 ◼   ► like a diddly brought wind up okay

00:00:56 ◼   ► so saying look you he come the ambulance

00:00:58 ◼   ► drivers is what you say when that the

00:01:00 ◼   ► paramedics walk in the room so I can see

00:01:02 ◼   ► why that would be upsetting on the other

00:01:04 ◼   ► hand we've had a lot of feedback from

00:01:06 ◼   ► people all around the world talking

00:01:08 ◼   ► about various jurisdictions in which

00:01:11 ◼   ► there are bespoke ambulance drivers

00:01:14 ◼   ► there is a differentiation between

00:01:15 ◼   ► people who drive ambulances and people

00:01:19 ◼   ► who have the qualifications to actually

00:01:21 ◼   ► tend to people in times of medical need

00:01:24 ◼   ► so there are actually legitimate

00:01:26 ◼   ► ambulance drivers who are not paramedics

00:01:28 ◼   ► so that is a thing that exists cuz we

00:01:30 ◼   ► were speculating about that last time

00:01:31 ◼   ► like is that a thing very much so in

00:01:33 ◼   ► certain countries and in certain places

00:01:35 ◼   ► in other places it's not so much but

00:01:37 ◼   ► that definitely is a thing that is

00:01:39 ◼   ► interesting is very interesting I didn't

00:01:41 ◼   ► come across that because I felt like at

00:01:43 ◼   ► least from the feedback that I saw on

00:01:45 ◼   ► the reddit my takeaway from reading a

00:01:48 ◼   ► bunch of that stuff was wow there's a

00:01:50 ◼   ► lot of different degrees of what this

00:01:53 ◼   ► means people were describing in wherever

00:01:55 ◼   ► they worked how in terms of paramedics

00:01:58 ◼   ► it's like there's five different levels

00:02:00 ◼   ► of what the person is and what they're

00:02:02 ◼   ► qualified for and so once again like

00:02:04 ◼   ► with everything in the world I felt like

00:02:05 ◼   ► our discussion on ambulance drivers

00:02:08 ◼   ► stroke paramedics opens up a door to

00:02:11 ◼   ► another infinite world

00:02:13 ◼   ► of complexity and differentiation that

00:02:16 ◼   ► people are involved in so I felt frankly

00:02:18 ◼   ► overwhelmed with all of the detail and

00:02:20 ◼   ► differentiation of what is a paramedic

00:02:23 ◼   ► where in the world what exactly does

00:02:25 ◼   ► their job entail and how do you become

00:02:28 ◼   ► one of these people well if you found

00:02:30 ◼   ► that overwhelming how did you feel about

00:02:32 ◼   ► the feedback to the 51 star American

00:02:34 ◼   ► flag suggestions well I mean first we

00:02:37 ◼   ► must say that I don't know who did it

00:02:40 ◼   ► but at one point your design suggestion

00:02:45 ◼   ► for the 51 star flag was living on the

00:02:48 ◼   ► Wikipedia page for future suggested

00:02:51 ◼   ► versions of how the 51 star flag might

00:02:54 ◼   ► look and I feel like that was barely

00:02:57 ◼   ► Wikipedia vandalization at all I feel

00:02:59 ◼   ► like that's a legitimate proposal for

00:03:01 ◼   ► what could be a future 51 star flag

00:03:04 ◼   ► design so I was very happy to see that

00:03:06 ◼   ► make its way into the Wikipedia article

00:03:08 ◼   ► yeah I mean that list was all about

00:03:10 ◼   ► suggestions like from various people

00:03:12 ◼   ► who'd suggested them my favorite thing

00:03:14 ◼   ► there was a little caption that sort of

00:03:15 ◼   ► described how design proposed by Brady

00:03:18 ◼   ► Haran and executed by CGP grey like that

00:03:21 ◼   ► sort of play to that whole image that

00:03:23 ◼   ► I'd tried to create of me as like you

00:03:25 ◼   ► know the grand visionary at the top and

00:03:27 ◼   ► you is like the drone that just like

00:03:29 ◼   ► makes the stuff I was basically the

00:03:31 ◼   ► seamstress in this situation right

00:03:33 ◼   ► that's that's what was occurring there

00:03:35 ◼   ► ya know if that caption was perfect

00:03:37 ◼   ► great work for whoever did that so I

00:03:39 ◼   ► really enjoyed that but of course as

00:03:41 ◼   ► soon as you start showing something like

00:03:43 ◼   ► that to the internet everybody wanted to

00:03:45 ◼   ► jump in with their own version of the 51

00:03:48 ◼   ► star flag so we said we got a whole

00:03:50 ◼   ► bunch of interesting ones that were sent

00:03:52 ◼   ► along I tried to create a reddit thread

00:03:55 ◼   ► to capture them all together because I

00:03:57 ◼   ► always just loved seeing what people

00:03:59 ◼   ► make with this kind of stuff so I'll put

00:04:02 ◼   ► it in the show notes there's a link to a

00:04:04 ◼   ► reddit discussion which has just a ton

00:04:07 ◼   ► of the designs all together in one place

00:04:10 ◼   ► let me send a few of them along to you

00:04:12 ◼   ► right now Brady and see what you think

00:04:13 ◼   ► these ones that have your endorsement or

00:04:16 ◼   ► your condemnation I'm just passing along

00:04:19 ◼   ► a few that caught my eye

00:04:20 ◼   ► no comment of endorsements or anything

00:04:23 ◼   ► there say the first one Gray has sent to

00:04:25 ◼   ► me in the star section

00:04:27 ◼   ► has 51 stars arranged into the shape of

00:04:30 ◼   ► a star so it's like a star of stars and

00:04:32 ◼   ► it's a little bit on the silly side oh

00:04:35 ◼   ► you think that's silly oh you have more

00:04:37 ◼   ► stuff to cover okay but I thought it's

00:04:39 ◼   ► interesting to see that the 51 stars can

00:04:41 ◼   ► be arranged in a sense symmetrical

00:04:44 ◼   ► because it's five ways is there a word

00:04:46 ◼   ► for five way symmetry I feel like I

00:04:48 ◼   ► should know this fivefold symmetry that

00:04:50 ◼   ► sounds good

00:04:50 ◼   ► fivefold symmetry yeah I think you're

00:04:52 ◼   ► right there I think you're right so that

00:04:54 ◼   ► can be done it's not too bad there are a

00:04:57 ◼   ► few other versions of people trying to

00:05:00 ◼   ► arrange the stars in a somewhat orderly

00:05:03 ◼   ► pattern or at least pleasing so this one

00:05:07 ◼   ► you've sent in the star section has the

00:05:09 ◼   ► 51 stars and they kind of arranged in

00:05:11 ◼   ► diagonal rows rather than the horizontal

00:05:13 ◼   ► rows that we're familiar with on the

00:05:15 ◼   ► current American flag and yeah it just

00:05:18 ◼   ► doesn't quite look right does it no it

00:05:19 ◼   ► doesn't quite look right those are two

00:05:21 ◼   ► sort of somewhat serious designs yeah

00:05:24 ◼   ► there's one that's a little bit jokey

00:05:25 ◼   ► but I actually kind of like it so I'll

00:05:27 ◼   ► send this next one along to you okay so

00:05:30 ◼   ► in this one what they've done is they've

00:05:32 ◼   ► taken sort of the top corner where the

00:05:35 ◼   ► stars live and instead they've made it

00:05:36 ◼   ► the whole left-hand side of the flag

00:05:39 ◼   ► like a vertical bar going down the whole

00:05:42 ◼   ► height of the flag and they've arranged

00:05:45 ◼   ► the stars in there the left-hand sixth

00:05:47 ◼   ► of the flag is a pile of stars and then

00:05:49 ◼   ► we have stripes all emanating from that

00:05:52 ◼   ► and do you know what it looks wrong

00:05:55 ◼   ► obviously because I'm so used to the US

00:05:56 ◼   ► flag but if that had been the u.s. flow

00:05:58 ◼   ► from day one I could easily look at that

00:06:00 ◼   ► and think oh yeah that's just how their

00:06:02 ◼   ► flag works I can see how that kind of

00:06:03 ◼   ► works yeah I like this one doing a

00:06:05 ◼   ► vertical banner on the left-hand side it

00:06:08 ◼   ► gives you enough space to arrange the 51

00:06:11 ◼   ► in a somewhat pleasing way I think it

00:06:13 ◼   ► looks good I think it looks good

00:06:14 ◼   ► because I feel like the 51 stars there's

00:06:17 ◼   ► just no good way to do it in the

00:06:21 ◼   ► existing format and so it's like maybe

00:06:23 ◼   ► this is time for America to think

00:06:25 ◼   ► outside the box if the flag is going to

00:06:28 ◼   ► change so we have a couple of other

00:06:29 ◼   ► thinking outside the box Options here

00:06:31 ◼   ► Brady okay what do we go he comes

00:06:34 ◼   ► another one why do 51 stars when instead

00:06:38 ◼   ► you could do 51 stripes

00:06:40 ◼   ► right say having 51 straps on a flag

00:06:43 ◼   ► results in the straps being so close

00:06:45 ◼   ► together that it looks almost just like

00:06:47 ◼   ► a big rectangle of pinkness yep 51 yeah

00:06:51 ◼   ► horizontal stripes with no stars just

00:06:54 ◼   ► stripes yeah no stars at all hmm this

00:06:56 ◼   ► next one very different thought on how

00:06:58 ◼   ► to arrange the 51 stars which I quite

00:07:01 ◼   ► like say here we've got the blue section

00:07:04 ◼   ► at the top and the 51 stars have been

00:07:06 ◼   ► arranged to write out the number 51

00:07:09 ◼   ► mm-hmm yeah I quite like that that's a

00:07:11 ◼   ► good contender yeah also okay our star

00:07:14 ◼   ► is necessary I think we have some other

00:07:16 ◼   ► options okay someone has put the lettuce

00:07:20 ◼   ► Li this is the Roman numeral version of

00:07:23 ◼   ► 51 stars right which i think is great of

00:07:27 ◼   ► course we can also just talk about the

00:07:29 ◼   ► way America prefers to view herself says

00:07:32 ◼   ► someone has just put the number one

00:07:34 ◼   ► hashtag in the blue area instead of

00:07:37 ◼   ► stars at all yeah

00:07:38 ◼   ► we're number one that's America it's we

00:07:41 ◼   ► are we now that's let's just say with

00:07:45 ◼   ► romera we're number one my great

00:07:46 ◼   ► disappointment is now that you have

00:07:48 ◼   ► declared yourself the official US flag

00:07:50 ◼   ► seamstress of hello internet people

00:07:52 ◼   ► shouldn't even need to design flags they

00:07:54 ◼   ► should just write written descriptions

00:07:55 ◼   ► to you and then you knock it up for them

00:07:57 ◼   ► and you know quick 5-10 minutes I wish

00:08:00 ◼   ► them the best of luck with getting

00:08:01 ◼   ► results for that people know what's

00:08:03 ◼   ► gonna happen they know the results I

00:08:04 ◼   ► felt like you were at my beck and call

00:08:05 ◼   ► in the last episode when I was having

00:08:07 ◼   ► you do I was just like throwing ideas

00:08:09 ◼   ► out there and you were tapping away

00:08:11 ◼   ► churning them out you know Brady I like

00:08:13 ◼   ► to make your dreams a reality

00:08:14 ◼   ► so I was very happy to do that

00:08:16 ◼   ► immediately thank you you suggest I make

00:08:19 ◼   ► I say jump graces hi that's exactly

00:08:22 ◼   ► right that's that's how this

00:08:23 ◼   ► relationship works all right thank you

00:08:25 ◼   ► bedding flag designers at that you

00:08:27 ◼   ► certainly took over our subreddit every

00:08:29 ◼   ► time I went to the hello Internet

00:08:30 ◼   ► subreddit it was just like Star Spangled

00:08:33 ◼   ► Banner everywhere yeah there are

00:08:34 ◼   ► absolutely everywhere if you go to the

00:08:36 ◼   ► reddit link in the show notes there are

00:08:38 ◼   ► a whole lot more than just the ones that

00:08:41 ◼   ► I posted to Brady while we were

00:08:43 ◼   ► discussing it I think there's something

00:08:44 ◼   ► like 80 different takes on the flag and

00:08:46 ◼   ► some of them are hilarious so I highly

00:08:49 ◼   ► recommend you go check that out and see

00:08:52 ◼   ► alternate flag designs

00:08:54 ◼   ► the Tim's and gray will compile a list

00:08:56 ◼   ► of his 51 favorites I will not know that

00:08:59 ◼   ► what that happened so Brady I am

00:09:02 ◼   ► recently back from America

00:09:05 ◼   ► you were there forever I thought you

00:09:07 ◼   ► were never coming home I wasn't sure if

00:09:09 ◼   ► I was ever coming home

00:09:10 ◼   ► it wasn't intended to be that long I

00:09:12 ◼   ► wonder if your your accents like

00:09:13 ◼   ► American dup a bit more whenever I go to

00:09:15 ◼   ► Australia people say I sound more

00:09:17 ◼   ► Australian when I come home for the

00:09:18 ◼   ► first few weeks do people say you sound

00:09:20 ◼   ► more American when you come back you

00:09:22 ◼   ► couldn't say I'm more American actually

00:09:23 ◼   ► now I think about it do you think I

00:09:24 ◼   ► sound super American that is not

00:09:25 ◼   ► possible for me to sound more American

00:09:27 ◼   ► well I don't think you sound like tinged

00:09:29 ◼   ► by Britishness you do sound a bit tinged

00:09:31 ◼   ► by Britishness though Brady yeah but

00:09:33 ◼   ► when I go to Australia I recharge my

00:09:35 ◼   ► Aussie Nostromo is that how it works

00:09:37 ◼   ► you're running low on Oz eNOS and need

00:09:39 ◼   ► to charge back up every once in a while

00:09:41 ◼   ► it's not intentional it just happens

00:09:42 ◼   ► hang out with all my Aussie friends and

00:09:44 ◼   ► I get a bit more ocka ocka ocka is like

00:09:47 ◼   ► a it's an Australian thing saying you

00:09:49 ◼   ► sound Orko means you sound really Ozzy

00:09:50 ◼   ► oh it's probably incredibly racist and

00:09:52 ◼   ► I've just insulted a whole bunch of

00:09:54 ◼   ► people knowing the way the internet

00:09:56 ◼   ► works now but I'd better look it up if

00:09:59 ◼   ► you sound augur sounds Australian I

00:10:01 ◼   ► don't see what the problem would be

00:10:02 ◼   ► because you're Australian and then you

00:10:03 ◼   ► could say that okay it means a rough

00:10:05 ◼   ► uncultivated Australian man so a bit

00:10:08 ◼   ► more uncultivated is it's you know it's

00:10:10 ◼   ► a bit more rough around the edges slang

00:10:12 ◼   ► for a stereotypical Australian someone

00:10:14 ◼   ► with a strong accent who enjoys beer

00:10:16 ◼   ► barbecues Australian football v8 cars

00:10:18 ◼   ► behave cards that's a long story long

00:10:22 ◼   ► story of you and asking was trailing

00:10:24 ◼   ► about that kind of car yeah okay don't

00:10:26 ◼   ► stop me on Holden versus forward I'm a

00:10:28 ◼   ► hardened man for those who wandering

00:10:30 ◼   ► there oh okay there you go yes so I

00:10:35 ◼   ► don't think I'm sounding more American

00:10:37 ◼   ► having come back from America I don't

00:10:38 ◼   ► think the night of the case I'm sounding

00:10:40 ◼   ► just the regular way yeah but while I

00:10:42 ◼   ► was in America hmm I saw a thing Brady

00:10:45 ◼   ► that I've been dreading for a while

00:10:47 ◼   ► because a little while ago there was a

00:10:52 ◼   ► article talking about how uber is going

00:10:56 ◼   ► to introduce the much requested much

00:11:00 ◼   ► requested feature of tipping the drivers

00:11:04 ◼   ► in their app

00:11:06 ◼   ► saw this public relations thing that

00:11:09 ◼   ► uber is finally allowing riders to do

00:11:13 ◼   ► what they have long desired which is tip

00:11:15 ◼   ► their drivers I have some suspicions

00:11:17 ◼   ► about how much riders have actually

00:11:19 ◼   ► wanted that versus how much the drivers

00:11:20 ◼   ► want that but anyway I saw this thing I

00:11:24 ◼   ► had hoped in my heart of hearts that

00:11:25 ◼   ► maybe it wouldn't come to pass but sure

00:11:28 ◼   ► enough while I was in New York for the

00:11:31 ◼   ► first time I saw it I took an uber thing

00:11:35 ◼   ► popped up on my screen and it said I had

00:11:38 ◼   ► a tip for your driver with three buttons

00:11:41 ◼   ► on the bottom and an option to add an

00:11:44 ◼   ► even larger custom amount if you so want

00:11:47 ◼   ► to and honestly I feel like my heart

00:11:49 ◼   ► sank very deeply that day so great when

00:11:53 ◼   ► I get an uber and I get out of the car I

00:11:55 ◼   ► don't even look at my phone usually for

00:11:56 ◼   ► a cup or two later and then I see like

00:11:59 ◼   ► you know the opportunity to do the star

00:12:00 ◼   ► rating and everything is that when it

00:12:02 ◼   ► happens is that next time you look at

00:12:03 ◼   ► your phone so the driver could be long

00:12:05 ◼   ► gone

00:12:06 ◼   ► when you make this decision it has for

00:12:08 ◼   ► me shown up on the page where you would

00:12:12 ◼   ► normally give the driver the star rating

00:12:15 ◼   ► I'll send you a screenshots I'm the

00:12:17 ◼   ► first driver that I had who's asking for

00:12:20 ◼   ► the tip okay yeah but so when it bothers

00:12:21 ◼   ► you to give them the star rating you now

00:12:24 ◼   ► have this additional mental burden on

00:12:26 ◼   ► that page to decide if you want to give

00:12:29 ◼   ► them additional money on top of the

00:12:32 ◼   ► money that you have given them for the

00:12:34 ◼   ► commercial transaction the clear

00:12:35 ◼   ► commercial transaction that has happened

00:12:38 ◼   ► but you don't have to give a tip you do

00:12:39 ◼   ► not have to give a tip it's not required

00:12:41 ◼   ► I'm not overly worried about this as

00:12:44 ◼   ► long as it's not like a face-to-face

00:12:45 ◼   ► awkward situation I'm kind of like I've

00:12:49 ◼   ► always said I'm not opposed to tipping

00:12:50 ◼   ► it's just the awkwardness of the moment

00:12:52 ◼   ► and not having the money or how to give

00:12:54 ◼   ► it to them and that sort of thing mm-hmm

00:12:56 ◼   ► I mean if I was honest about that and I

00:12:59 ◼   ► think I was then I don't mind giving the

00:13:02 ◼   ► tip after the fact depending on the

00:13:04 ◼   ► level of service and how I feel about

00:13:05 ◼   ► how it went as long as I can do it like

00:13:07 ◼   ► in the comfort of my sofa two or three

00:13:09 ◼   ► hours later I'm alright with that what

00:13:11 ◼   ► are the scenarios under which you would

00:13:14 ◼   ► tip an uber driver I can imagine if they

00:13:17 ◼   ► say we would have a conversation and

00:13:19 ◼   ► they gave me

00:13:20 ◼   ► useful information you know oh hey I'm

00:13:23 ◼   ► new to town where's a good place to eat

00:13:24 ◼   ► and they suggested a really good

00:13:25 ◼   ► restaurant or they gave me some local

00:13:28 ◼   ► advice or I really enjoyed the

00:13:31 ◼   ► conversation maybe if the car was

00:13:33 ◼   ► exceptionally clean or maybe if they had

00:13:35 ◼   ► a couple of little goodies in there like

00:13:36 ◼   ► a lovely or something I could have I can

00:13:40 ◼   ► imagine scenarios that's really cute if

00:13:43 ◼   ► there's a lolly in the back for Brady

00:13:44 ◼   ► you might just give you a tip yeah I've

00:13:47 ◼   ► had Reba rides where it was something

00:13:48 ◼   ► really memorable I once had an uber

00:13:50 ◼   ► driver whose name he was from Ethiopia

00:13:52 ◼   ► and his name was millionaire that was

00:13:54 ◼   ► actually his first name and I said how

00:13:56 ◼   ► can I take a picture of you and like you

00:13:58 ◼   ► know social media playing around with it

00:13:59 ◼   ► and he was a really good sport and let

00:14:01 ◼   ► me do it so he's a guy I would happily

00:14:02 ◼   ► have tipped you know five bucks cause he

00:14:04 ◼   ► he was a good sport and played around so

00:14:07 ◼   ► I can see these things happening that's

00:14:09 ◼   ► very interesting well although I can see

00:14:10 ◼   ► immediately from your answer that of

00:14:12 ◼   ► course you have more scenarios under

00:14:14 ◼   ► which you might tip the driver because

00:14:15 ◼   ► you're interacting with the driver

00:14:16 ◼   ► whereas I have been thinking this entire

00:14:18 ◼   ► time like I can't even imagine why I

00:14:20 ◼   ► would give an uber driver a tip because

00:14:22 ◼   ► my ideal situation is I just we just get

00:14:25 ◼   ► in the car and I never really speak to

00:14:26 ◼   ► the driver and then I just get out yeah

00:14:28 ◼   ► I guess with me there is far less room

00:14:30 ◼   ► for the ability to give a tip in the

00:14:32 ◼   ► first place well then don't give a tip

00:14:34 ◼   ► but do they know can they penalize you

00:14:36 ◼   ► can they look later on and see who

00:14:38 ◼   ► tipped and then who didn't and affect

00:14:39 ◼   ► your star rankings with that information

00:14:41 ◼   ► I was always under the impression it

00:14:42 ◼   ► would be pulled at the end of the day

00:14:44 ◼   ► and they wouldn't know who didn't didn't

00:14:45 ◼   ► tip yeah that's my understanding is that

00:14:47 ◼   ► the drivers do not know this is the best

00:14:49 ◼   ► way to handle it like if they're going

00:14:51 ◼   ► to do it doing it this way like the

00:14:53 ◼   ► drivers don't know you can just do it

00:14:55 ◼   ► later this sort of fine for me there's

00:14:58 ◼   ► something about it being here that I

00:15:00 ◼   ► feel like it is sullied uber it has

00:15:01 ◼   ► taken this like clear commercial

00:15:04 ◼   ► transaction in my mind and has now moved

00:15:07 ◼   ► it into the world of somewhat ambiguous

00:15:10 ◼   ► interactions and transactions is the

00:15:13 ◼   ► best version of this that it could

00:15:14 ◼   ► possibly be but I'm still sad to see

00:15:17 ◼   ► that it's there

00:15:18 ◼   ► I'm not surprised it happened why do you

00:15:20 ◼   ► say that well I don't know how much you

00:15:23 ◼   ► follow the news no I do know how much

00:15:26 ◼   ► Father's Day Parade is you don't want to

00:15:28 ◼   ► know how much I follow the news but like

00:15:31 ◼   ► there's been a lot of in the UK in

00:15:33 ◼   ► particular but

00:15:34 ◼   ► elsewhere there's been a lot of

00:15:35 ◼   ► confrontation lately as sort of drivers

00:15:38 ◼   ► start to not unionize but get to a point

00:15:41 ◼   ► where they're starting to expect more

00:15:42 ◼   ► rights and they want to be treated as

00:15:44 ◼   ► employees and have that rights to

00:15:46 ◼   ► holidays and things like that which

00:15:48 ◼   ► again sort of goes against how uber has

00:15:50 ◼   ► always pitched itself but this is the

00:15:51 ◼   ► whole other debate that we shouldn't

00:15:52 ◼   ► wade into and while that's been going on

00:15:55 ◼   ► at the same time uber itself is bit of a

00:15:57 ◼   ► wounded ball at the moment because of

00:15:58 ◼   ► all the problems that its former boss

00:16:01 ◼   ► had been getting himself into and the

00:16:03 ◼   ► culture of the company so we've got a

00:16:04 ◼   ► situation where the drivers are sort of

00:16:06 ◼   ► on the ascendancy and starting to make

00:16:09 ◼   ► noise and the company at the top is kind

00:16:11 ◼   ► of in a perilous condition and weakened

00:16:14 ◼   ► so if there was ever a time where the

00:16:16 ◼   ► drivers we're gonna get their way and

00:16:18 ◼   ► start clawing back things they want now

00:16:21 ◼   ► is the time I think the question of

00:16:23 ◼   ► whether or not bird drivers are

00:16:24 ◼   ► employees like that feels like a perfect

00:16:25 ◼   ► thing that we could just argue about for

00:16:27 ◼   ► a little while it seems to me like well

00:16:28 ◼   ► they're clearly not but that of course

00:16:31 ◼   ► gets us straight to the whole question

00:16:32 ◼   ► of like the app economy which is a very

00:16:34 ◼   ► big different sort of thing

00:16:37 ◼   ► at least that's interesting that that's

00:16:38 ◼   ► why you feel like it's obvious that this

00:16:40 ◼   ► is going to happen because ubers in

00:16:42 ◼   ► trouble the drivers are collectivizing

00:16:45 ◼   ► it sounds like in some sense sober wants

00:16:47 ◼   ► to make them happy I guess I mean we've

00:16:49 ◼   ► got a culture where some people are

00:16:50 ◼   ► thinking drivers aren't being treated

00:16:52 ◼   ► well the company is getting this

00:16:53 ◼   ► increasing reputation for being mean

00:16:56 ◼   ► mm-hmm

00:16:56 ◼   ► like this is obviously a move that would

00:16:59 ◼   ► placate that somewhat so very

00:17:01 ◼   ► unsurprising so after I saw that driver

00:17:04 ◼   ► I was like ah here we are like now that

00:17:07 ◼   ► now this thing has arrived my immediate

00:17:09 ◼   ► next ride in New York in uber when the

00:17:13 ◼   ► screen came up to do the five star

00:17:15 ◼   ► rating it said that this driver does not

00:17:18 ◼   ► currently accept tips

00:17:20 ◼   ► and you know what I thought Brady I want

00:17:23 ◼   ► to give that man a tip I've never had

00:17:25 ◼   ► that feeling ever like boy I really want

00:17:27 ◼   ► to give someone a tip but when I saw

00:17:28 ◼   ► this one guy who didn't accept tips I

00:17:30 ◼   ► thought you were the only person maybe

00:17:32 ◼   ► in the entire history of the service

00:17:33 ◼   ► industry that I have felt like please I

00:17:35 ◼   ► would love to give you a tip for your

00:17:38 ◼   ► refusal to accept tips but of course he

00:17:40 ◼   ► had long driven away that wasn't a

00:17:42 ◼   ► possibility

00:17:43 ◼   ► I couldn't hand him cash in the car

00:17:44 ◼   ► because I didn't do the star rating

00:17:46 ◼   ► until later I was hoping you're gonna

00:17:47 ◼   ► say

00:17:48 ◼   ► you flicked him a cheeky Benjie flicked

00:17:50 ◼   ► him a cheeky Benji that's what I would

00:17:52 ◼   ► do baby but yes that's like I wish there

00:17:56 ◼   ► was some way that I could reward better

00:17:57 ◼   ► the drivers who don't accept the tips

00:17:59 ◼   ► and just tell who burr

00:18:01 ◼   ► please don't ever show me that tip

00:18:02 ◼   ► screen because there's not a situation

00:18:04 ◼   ► that I'm ever gonna actually want to

00:18:05 ◼   ► press those buttons it just makes me

00:18:07 ◼   ► feel a little guilty now every time that

00:18:09 ◼   ► the star rating comes up and I don't

00:18:11 ◼   ► actually press the tip button fair

00:18:13 ◼   ► enough

00:18:13 ◼   ► that's what tips are social gilts will

00:18:15 ◼   ► chop that up as a loss to gray in his

00:18:17 ◼   ► ongoing battle to have everything in the

00:18:19 ◼   ► world shaped to his liking it totally is

00:18:22 ◼   ► Brady like that's you know you're saying

00:18:23 ◼   ► that it's like a joke but I do feel like

00:18:25 ◼   ► this is a battle that I live every day

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00:20:31 ◼   ► I've been doing a bit of traveling

00:20:33 ◼   ► lately myself mm-hmm one of the places I

00:20:35 ◼   ► went was the US as well I saw you at

00:20:37 ◼   ► VidCon and lots of other people and well

00:20:40 ◼   ► it was all good for us to catch up

00:20:41 ◼   ► mm-hmm but one of the other things I did

00:20:43 ◼   ► while I was there in Anaheim was I went

00:20:45 ◼   ► to Disneyland for the first time in a

00:20:47 ◼   ► long time I went with our very good

00:20:49 ◼   ► friend Destin who had a great time

00:20:51 ◼   ► together but the thing I were used for

00:20:53 ◼   ► the first time was this so called

00:20:55 ◼   ► Fast Pass which is the system at

00:20:58 ◼   ► Disneyland that allows you to supposedly

00:21:00 ◼   ► get on rides more easily more quickly

00:21:03 ◼   ► and not spend all your day what I would

00:21:05 ◼   ► call queueing what Americans might call

00:21:07 ◼   ► standing in line yeah so you sent me a

00:21:09 ◼   ► photo of you and Destin in Disney as I

00:21:12 ◼   ► was making my way towards Anaheim and my

00:21:15 ◼   ► first thought of course was oh my god

00:21:17 ◼   ► you're a Disney in the height of the

00:21:20 ◼   ► summer I can't imagine ever doing

00:21:22 ◼   ► something like that and I sent you a

00:21:24 ◼   ► message immediately like I hope to god

00:21:25 ◼   ► you bought the Fast Pass or that

00:21:28 ◼   ► whatever the heck it's called yeah there

00:21:30 ◼   ► are additional ticketing system yeah

00:21:32 ◼   ► because in my mind this is a thing which

00:21:35 ◼   ► is almost like it feels anti fairness

00:21:41 ◼   ► but my understanding of this is that

00:21:43 ◼   ► it's an extra ticket that allows you to

00:21:45 ◼   ► go on like an executive line that's just

00:21:48 ◼   ► for the people who bought the Fast Pass

00:21:50 ◼   ► and so then you can then get to the

00:21:52 ◼   ► front of the line faster is that correct

00:21:55 ◼   ► well you like me have that completely

00:22:00 ◼   ► wrong it is nothing like that although I

00:22:02 ◼   ► thought the same I thought I could use

00:22:04 ◼   ► financial might to buy myself a golden

00:22:08 ◼   ► ticket that would allow me to walk past

00:22:10 ◼   ► everyone and get on the rides more

00:22:12 ◼   ► quickly and I was willing to do that I

00:22:14 ◼   ► was willing to sacrifice

00:22:15 ◼   ► my hard-earned money to buy back time of

00:22:19 ◼   ► course I was hopeful I could do that

00:22:21 ◼   ► that's how life works isn't it we spend

00:22:22 ◼   ► most of our life earning money so we can

00:22:24 ◼   ► buy time correct this is not how it

00:22:26 ◼   ► works

00:22:28 ◼   ► it couldn't be further from it okay I

00:22:30 ◼   ► don't know how to explain I'm going to

00:22:32 ◼   ► attempt to explain it I haven't really

00:22:33 ◼   ► thought about this that the logical way

00:22:35 ◼   ► to explain to you how it works but I

00:22:36 ◼   ► don't know whether I should just tell

00:22:38 ◼   ► you what it looks like on the surface or

00:22:40 ◼   ► what I later learned how it actually is

00:22:43 ◼   ► working probably the best thing to do is

00:22:44 ◼   ► tell you how it actually is working I'm

00:22:46 ◼   ► wondering because I haven't been to

00:22:49 ◼   ► Disney in a long time I've always

00:22:50 ◼   ► thought like if I'm going to Disney I'm

00:22:52 ◼   ► going in the offseason and I'm gonna buy

00:22:54 ◼   ► a Fastpass

00:22:55 ◼   ► there is no fast pass to buy alright so

00:22:57 ◼   ► I have this all wrong I don't even

00:22:59 ◼   ► understand what's occurring

00:23:00 ◼   ► okay got it you have this all wrong and

00:23:02 ◼   ► so did I and like this tonight when we

00:23:04 ◼   ► were buying our tickets we're like how

00:23:05 ◼   ► do we buy a first pass mister sounded

00:23:07 ◼   ► like idiots I now realize we did sound

00:23:09 ◼   ► like idiots and like the people were

00:23:11 ◼   ► saying wait till you get inside oh yeah

00:23:14 ◼   ► like you already know there's something

00:23:16 ◼   ► ominously wrong like they're just wait

00:23:18 ◼   ► till you get inside so wait till you get

00:23:19 ◼   ► inside you idiots so what happens is you

00:23:24 ◼   ► get a ticket to go into Disneyland it is

00:23:26 ◼   ► important you keep that ticket because

00:23:27 ◼   ► that ticket becomes very important and

00:23:29 ◼   ► what happens is at any given ride there

00:23:33 ◼   ► are two queues there were two lines

00:23:35 ◼   ► there is what I will call the slow line

00:23:39 ◼   ► which is for people without a fast bus

00:23:42 ◼   ► okay there's the first pass line right

00:23:45 ◼   ► now let's pretend it's the middle of the

00:23:48 ◼   ► day now and there are lots of people in

00:23:50 ◼   ► the park and there are lots of lines

00:23:51 ◼   ► everywhere what you can do is you can

00:23:54 ◼   ► join the slow line and you'll have a

00:23:57 ◼   ► long wait let's say an hour and a half

00:24:00 ◼   ► to get on the ride or what you can do is

00:24:04 ◼   ► you can scan your ticket to get a fast

00:24:07 ◼   ► pass for that particular ride and the

00:24:10 ◼   ► first pass can be used later on in the

00:24:14 ◼   ► day at a specified time so I would say

00:24:17 ◼   ► you can come back at between 3 and 4

00:24:20 ◼   ► o'clock this afternoon and join the fast

00:24:23 ◼   ► pass line

00:24:24 ◼   ► that's how it works and during that time

00:24:27 ◼   ► you can then move around the park and

00:24:29 ◼   ► join other slow lines but you can only

00:24:32 ◼   ► have one fast pass at a time you have to

00:24:36 ◼   ► be really strategic and it's linked to

00:24:38 ◼   ► your ticket so you can't like go around

00:24:41 ◼   ► all the rides and get a fast pass for

00:24:44 ◼   ► every single ride and have your day

00:24:45 ◼   ► planned out for the whole day that was

00:24:47 ◼   ► my immediate thought is you just run in

00:24:49 ◼   ► and grab all the fast passes no no no

00:24:51 ◼   ► you've got to be really strategic and

00:24:53 ◼   ► what I'm not talking about here is all

00:24:55 ◼   ► the ways you can obviously check the

00:24:56 ◼   ► system and I'm sure people in reddit an

00:24:58 ◼   ► email will say Oh Brady you should have

00:24:59 ◼   ► done this and you should have done that

00:25:00 ◼   ► and this is how you change did you not

00:25:01 ◼   ► go to Disneyland hacking com to figure

00:25:03 ◼   ► out your Fastpass strategy so I'm

00:25:06 ◼   ► talking about if you follow the rules

00:25:07 ◼   ► now this becomes really difficult later

00:25:11 ◼   ► in the day Destin and I learned because

00:25:14 ◼   ► there are couple arise we wanted to go

00:25:16 ◼   ► on and they were having like you know up

00:25:18 ◼   ► to two hours in the slow line but the

00:25:21 ◼   ► fast pass line was like three or four

00:25:23 ◼   ► hours in the future and you're having to

00:25:26 ◼   ► like do all this mental mathematics

00:25:28 ◼   ► you're thinking do I use my fasteners

00:25:30 ◼   ► for this ride and join the slow line for

00:25:33 ◼   ► that one which says it will be two and a

00:25:35 ◼   ► half hours adieu I joined the slow line

00:25:37 ◼   ► for that one and get the fast pass for

00:25:39 ◼   ► that one but I can't use my fast pass

00:25:41 ◼   ► for that one for two hours after that

00:25:42 ◼   ► and that means I'm not going to be able

00:25:44 ◼   ► to get another and like it becomes

00:25:46 ◼   ► really really difficult and once you've

00:25:48 ◼   ► got a first pass you're locked in you

00:25:49 ◼   ► can't like cancel it and say oh I made

00:25:52 ◼   ► them oh really yeah it's really

00:25:54 ◼   ► difficult and there's no like gold and

00:25:57 ◼   ► tickets or anything it's just like you

00:25:59 ◼   ► know it's always good to have a fast

00:26:00 ◼   ► pass because as Destin was always saying

00:26:03 ◼   ► it's good for us to have a fast pass

00:26:04 ◼   ► doing the work for us while we're

00:26:05 ◼   ► standing in slow lines I totally get

00:26:07 ◼   ► that yeah it feels like you have a

00:26:08 ◼   ► virtual robot standing in line for you

00:26:10 ◼   ► yeah and the way I believe it works

00:26:12 ◼   ► underneath the hood is Disney allocates

00:26:16 ◼   ► say a thousand fast passes every hour

00:26:20 ◼   ► for every ride so as people are chalking

00:26:24 ◼   ► up all these fast passes say you want to

00:26:25 ◼   ► go on the roller coaster right as people

00:26:29 ◼   ► were talking at the first passes they're

00:26:31 ◼   ► all disappearing so all the fast passes

00:26:33 ◼   ► between one and two are gone all the

00:26:34 ◼   ► fast passes between two and three ago

00:26:36 ◼   ► and all the fast passes between three

00:26:37 ◼   ► and four are gone

00:26:38 ◼   ► so very quickly that time that you can

00:26:40 ◼   ► use your first pass on the

00:26:41 ◼   ► roller-coaster is blowing right ahead

00:26:43 ◼   ► like into the evening right if you don't

00:26:46 ◼   ► get your first pass early you know you

00:26:47 ◼   ► could have four or five hours into it

00:26:49 ◼   ► you can use this fast pass and for that

00:26:50 ◼   ► four or five hours you're going to be

00:26:52 ◼   ► stuck in slow lines all that time you

00:26:54 ◼   ► can only stand in slow lines so it

00:26:57 ◼   ► becomes a real difficult decision I'm

00:26:59 ◼   ► sure there are apps on websites that

00:27:00 ◼   ► help you make such decisions we were

00:27:03 ◼   ► using the Disney app all the time but

00:27:04 ◼   ► I'm immediately feeling like you need

00:27:06 ◼   ► some kind of app to help you plan this

00:27:08 ◼   ► out okay I have a question I have a

00:27:09 ◼   ► question Brady hmm do you know ahead of

00:27:11 ◼   ► time when the Fastpass ticket is going

00:27:15 ◼   ► to be good for or is it a surprise no

00:27:18 ◼   ► you know ahead of time there's like

00:27:19 ◼   ► screens and things that's all advertised

00:27:21 ◼   ► so so it's like at the moment if you

00:27:22 ◼   ► scan yourself for a first pass your

00:27:24 ◼   ► first pass will be valid between three

00:27:25 ◼   ► and four you know that beforehand got it

00:27:28 ◼   ► got it all right now question about the

00:27:30 ◼   ► fast pass line mm-hmm how does it work

00:27:33 ◼   ► at the actual front of the line are they

00:27:36 ◼   ► just pulling everybody straight off of

00:27:38 ◼   ► the fast pass line on to the ride or are

00:27:40 ◼   ► they mixing them in or like how does

00:27:42 ◼   ► that work I'm not exactly sure but there

00:27:44 ◼   ► seems to be like a blending okay of the

00:27:47 ◼   ► lines that is heavily favored towards

00:27:49 ◼   ► the fast passes it's not like every fast

00:27:51 ◼   ► pass person gets on and then the slow

00:27:52 ◼   ► people get on because that wouldn't work

00:27:54 ◼   ► there's like a blending heavily-favored

00:27:57 ◼   ► towards the fast passes I don't know the

00:27:58 ◼   ► exact numbers but it felt like a fast

00:28:00 ◼   ► pass line is about twice as fast as a

00:28:03 ◼   ► slow line huh I don't know how

00:28:06 ◼   ► beneficial this actually is for anybody

00:28:08 ◼   ► who's in the park how did you feel about

00:28:11 ◼   ► it going through the day with the Fast

00:28:12 ◼   ► Pass this is what happened we went in

00:28:15 ◼   ► early at the start we were getting loads

00:28:18 ◼   ► of rides in at fast passes didn't even

00:28:20 ◼   ► matter like we were like oh let's go on

00:28:22 ◼   ► the Star Wars ride and it was like 9:00

00:28:24 ◼   ► in the morning and the Fastpass said

00:28:26 ◼   ► thing if you get a fast pass now it will

00:28:27 ◼   ► be valid between 9:00 and 10:00 so we

00:28:29 ◼   ► would like we didn't even need to get a

00:28:31 ◼   ► fast bus you just walk straight in so

00:28:33 ◼   ► for the first few hours the fast passes

00:28:36 ◼   ► if you got a fast pass it would be valid

00:28:38 ◼   ► in half an hour's time maybe it likely

00:28:39 ◼   ► to be 9:30 or if you get a fast pass you

00:28:42 ◼   ► can use it at 10:00 so we'd be like oh

00:28:43 ◼   ► great let's grab a fast pass quickly go

00:28:45 ◼   ► and do that ride and then come back at

00:28:47 ◼   ► 10 and do this ride so at first it

00:28:49 ◼   ► seemed brilliant but then as more and

00:28:51 ◼   ► more people

00:28:52 ◼   ► into the park oh the first pass has

00:28:54 ◼   ► started evaporating and that our slots

00:28:56 ◼   ► were moving further and further into the

00:28:58 ◼   ► day it got to a point later in the day

00:29:00 ◼   ► where they were these two rides we

00:29:01 ◼   ► wanted to go on and one of them had a

00:29:03 ◼   ► slow line that was like two to two and a

00:29:06 ◼   ► half hours and the other one if we got a

00:29:10 ◼   ► fast pass we'd be able to use that fast

00:29:11 ◼   ► pass in about four hours time so we were

00:29:14 ◼   ► like oh God so we got the fast pass and

00:29:17 ◼   ► then we're like okay well we can't go on

00:29:18 ◼   ► that ride for four hours now we'll burn

00:29:20 ◼   ► through two and a half hours in a slow

00:29:21 ◼   ► line to get on that ride so as the day

00:29:25 ◼   ► goes on it becomes much less useful whoo

00:29:29 ◼   ► the thing I wondered for people who are

00:29:31 ◼   ► wandering or why don't you just go and

00:29:32 ◼   ► get lots of fast passes that a you can

00:29:35 ◼   ► only get one at a time because it's

00:29:36 ◼   ► linked to your ticket and if someone

00:29:38 ◼   ► else gets one for you like you could say

00:29:39 ◼   ► to someone are can you just scan your

00:29:41 ◼   ► ticket and get me a fast pass for the

00:29:43 ◼   ► roller coaster when you use your first

00:29:45 ◼   ► pass it's wedded to your ticket so they

00:29:47 ◼   ► do make sure I haven't just like got a

00:29:49 ◼   ► fistful of fast passes that you've got

00:29:51 ◼   ► off other people supposedly I don't know

00:29:53 ◼   ► how well that's police but that is how

00:29:54 ◼   ► it's supposed to work so they are trying

00:29:57 ◼   ► to stop people scamming system okay you

00:29:59 ◼   ► know what I'm just thinking though it's

00:30:00 ◼   ► like okay wait a second you can't buy a

00:30:02 ◼   ► fast pass but could you when you're

00:30:04 ◼   ► entering the park could you tell the

00:30:06 ◼   ► attendants that you're buying the

00:30:07 ◼   ► tickets from like I would like to buy

00:30:08 ◼   ► ten tickets please yeah but you know

00:30:11 ◼   ► what they marry your tickets to your IDs

00:30:12 ◼   ► and all sorts they're always like like

00:30:16 ◼   ► wait I think I've found a loophole here

00:30:17 ◼   ► nope the thing I wondered was if someone

00:30:21 ◼   ► is like a guest of Disneyland and Disney

00:30:23 ◼   ► I want them to you know have the

00:30:24 ◼   ► corporate VIP experience what do those

00:30:26 ◼   ► people get there must be some golden

00:30:28 ◼   ► ticket and although I figure out unless

00:30:30 ◼   ► there are secret entrances I was unaware

00:30:32 ◼   ► of I think the golden ticket is some

00:30:34 ◼   ► kind of pass that just gets you into any

00:30:37 ◼   ► Fast Pass line at any time yeah I'm

00:30:39 ◼   ► gonna bet that that's the case so you're

00:30:40 ◼   ► still gonna be waiting half an hour to

00:30:42 ◼   ► an hour but that must be the golden

00:30:43 ◼   ► ticket I know for a fact that Disney has

00:30:46 ◼   ► like a VIP system that people can try to

00:30:49 ◼   ► approach their way through and that they

00:30:51 ◼   ► have some special thing and I would

00:30:53 ◼   ► assume given your description of this

00:30:55 ◼   ► system that yeah it's like a Fast Pass

00:30:56 ◼   ► that's available at all times that would

00:30:58 ◼   ► be my yeah yeah and there's like lots of

00:31:00 ◼   ► places have this at the airlines have

00:31:02 ◼   ► special tickets they give out that will

00:31:04 ◼   ► essentially

00:31:06 ◼   ► essentially be a ticket that will tell

00:31:07 ◼   ► like the gate agent this person has to

00:31:09 ◼   ► get on a plane and if you need to boot

00:31:10 ◼   ► somebody off like you're gonna boot them

00:31:11 ◼   ► off that's given out to super VIPs so I

00:31:15 ◼   ► don't know like I can't articulate this

00:31:17 ◼   ► but something about this fast pass

00:31:18 ◼   ► system feels like a weird way in which

00:31:21 ◼   ► people feel like they're winning

00:31:22 ◼   ► something but I'm not actually sure they

00:31:24 ◼   ► are not I agree with you like I said I

00:31:27 ◼   ► think it's purely herd management it's

00:31:29 ◼   ► just moving the cows around in a way

00:31:31 ◼   ► that's not going to cause problems for

00:31:32 ◼   ► Disneyland yeah that that's what's

00:31:34 ◼   ► happening or maybe if I'm slightly more

00:31:37 ◼   ► cynical about it it's constantly trying

00:31:40 ◼   ► to give the guests more reasons to be

00:31:43 ◼   ► hanging out at like the restaurants or

00:31:45 ◼   ► places that you could pay and Disney

00:31:48 ◼   ► like to make that an easier thing for

00:31:49 ◼   ► people to do hmm

00:31:51 ◼   ► so that they can feel like they're not

00:31:52 ◼   ► wasting their time as much like they

00:31:54 ◼   ► have the virtual robot waiting online

00:31:56 ◼   ► for them hmm it's funny because it's

00:31:58 ◼   ► like this conversation started out with

00:32:01 ◼   ► my thought that there was something

00:32:02 ◼   ► called a Fastpass that you could buy and

00:32:04 ◼   ► gee I don't know how I feel about that

00:32:06 ◼   ► but I feel like this system is somehow

00:32:09 ◼   ► almost worse than just buying a VIP

00:32:11 ◼   ► ticket I don't know is something about

00:32:13 ◼   ► it that just feels like I don't quite

00:32:15 ◼   ► like either because there's something

00:32:17 ◼   ► democratic about oh we're all in an

00:32:19 ◼   ► amusement park together and people just

00:32:21 ◼   ► wait on lines and it's like an

00:32:23 ◼   ► artificial environment so I don't know

00:32:26 ◼   ► it's just it feels really weird and and

00:32:27 ◼   ► there's something about it that I don't

00:32:30 ◼   ► know almost adds like a layer of mental

00:32:32 ◼   ► work on top of what you're doing like

00:32:34 ◼   ► you have a thing to manage now while

00:32:37 ◼   ► you're in the park as opposed to a more

00:32:38 ◼   ► simpler task of you're just waiting on

00:32:41 ◼   ► line or you're making a decision about

00:32:42 ◼   ► how you want to spend your time versus

00:32:44 ◼   ► your money I have to know though Brady

00:32:45 ◼   ► these numbers that you're throwing out

00:32:47 ◼   ► about being on line for an hour and a

00:32:48 ◼   ► half or two hours are those real numbers

00:32:50 ◼   ► or those exaggerated numbers please tell

00:32:52 ◼   ► me there was one line for the cars ride

00:32:55 ◼   ► that it felt like we were in that line

00:32:57 ◼   ► for two or three hours

00:33:00 ◼   ► I tell you what it would have driven me

00:33:02 ◼   ► crazy except I hadn't seen Destin in

00:33:05 ◼   ► person for about a year we were just

00:33:07 ◼   ► like catching up so I enjoyed spending

00:33:08 ◼   ► time with him but if it had been other

00:33:11 ◼   ► circumstances it would have driven the

00:33:13 ◼   ► absolutely crazy yeah I can totally

00:33:15 ◼   ► leave that yes you have a great excuse

00:33:17 ◼   ► to be able to spend a whole bunch of

00:33:18 ◼   ► time with someone that you haven't

00:33:19 ◼   ► actually seen in person for a long time

00:33:20 ◼   ► so that mean yeah that makes it very

00:33:22 ◼   ► fundamentally different but standing on

00:33:25 ◼   ► line for two hours yeah do it's too much

00:33:28 ◼   ► it's terrible the number of times I

00:33:30 ◼   ► sounded like a grumpy old man and I said

00:33:32 ◼   ► they just let too many people in this

00:33:33 ◼   ► place right they're just greedy they

00:33:35 ◼   ► would double the number of people in

00:33:37 ◼   ► that place and they should be you think

00:33:38 ◼   ► they're greedy yeah I think I'm just

00:33:41 ◼   ► wondering because there'd be probably a

00:33:44 ◼   ► pretty easy way to get half as many

00:33:45 ◼   ► people in the park and that would be to

00:33:47 ◼   ► double the ticket price hmm would you

00:33:51 ◼   ► think that they're less greedy if they

00:33:52 ◼   ► double the ticket price to get half as

00:33:54 ◼   ► many people in or is that more greedy

00:33:56 ◼   ► well that would be one way they could do

00:33:58 ◼   ► it they could do it with price that

00:33:59 ◼   ► would be a greedy way to do it or they

00:34:02 ◼   ► could just sell this tickets no no you

00:34:05 ◼   ► can't just sell us tickets that's

00:34:06 ◼   ► madness no yet keep it affordable for

00:34:08 ◼   ► like the common man they're not running

00:34:10 ◼   ► a charity over there at Disney like that

00:34:12 ◼   ► Mouse has got to eat Brady I don't think

00:34:14 ◼   ► you understand well I have to say I'm

00:34:17 ◼   ► very interested to hear how the Fast

00:34:19 ◼   ► Pass works I think I feel like this is

00:34:20 ◼   ► gonna be on my mind for a while you

00:34:23 ◼   ► should go next time just go like us for

00:34:25 ◼   ► research I don't know I keep thinking

00:34:26 ◼   ► like there should be some kind of

00:34:28 ◼   ► auction system here to work this out oh

00:34:30 ◼   ► no I really thought that sounded I don't

00:34:33 ◼   ► even mean in terms of like money I just

00:34:34 ◼   ► mean like I know you may park credits or

00:34:37 ◼   ► something everybody has a certain amount

00:34:40 ◼   ► of park credits that they just get when

00:34:42 ◼   ► they walk in if there's a ride that you

00:34:44 ◼   ► really wanted to get to the front of

00:34:46 ◼   ► like you could spend park credits to get

00:34:48 ◼   ► on an additional line that would let you

00:34:50 ◼   ► get to the front faster and then you

00:34:51 ◼   ► could buy more Park credits from vending

00:34:53 ◼   ► machines conveniently located around the

00:34:55 ◼   ► park no no right now that's the terrible

00:34:57 ◼   ► idea all of a sudden oh wait a minute no

00:34:59 ◼   ► we've just made it a free-to-play game

00:35:00 ◼   ► everything becomes this everything is

00:35:04 ◼   ► gamified so great another little bit of

00:35:09 ◼   ► travel I did and I don't want to brag

00:35:12 ◼   ► are you sure but Mike

00:35:13 ◼   ► this was a beautiful place I went to

00:35:15 ◼   ► Santorini the Greek island whoa okay I

00:35:20 ◼   ► had no idea that you did this seriously

00:35:22 ◼   ► was one of the most beautiful places

00:35:23 ◼   ► I've been Santorini it sounds beautiful

00:35:26 ◼   ► it's a volcano crater that's a huge sort

00:35:30 ◼   ► of lagoon in the middle opening out to

00:35:32 ◼   ► the sea and it's got all these beautiful

00:35:34 ◼   ► little white washed stone villages like

00:35:37 ◼   ► all around the caldera of the volcano

00:35:39 ◼   ► almost spilling down the cliffs into the

00:35:42 ◼   ► sea it was gorgeous Wow

00:35:43 ◼   ► mmm anyway I'll send you some pictures

00:35:45 ◼   ► I'm looking at pictures online

00:35:46 ◼   ► it looks like Mamma Mia that's what it

00:35:48 ◼   ► looks like yeah I think Mamma Mia was

00:35:50 ◼   ► filmed in here which is the town I

00:35:51 ◼   ► stayed in oh okay well there we go so I

00:35:54 ◼   ► won't bore you with all the things I did

00:35:57 ◼   ► because it's pretty boring most there ii

00:35:58 ◼   ► sat around looking at the view I did

00:36:00 ◼   ► film a bunch of video so maybe we'll use

00:36:02 ◼   ► that as the YouTube video for this

00:36:05 ◼   ► particular episode of the podcast sounds

00:36:07 ◼   ► good are you featured bravely swimming

00:36:09 ◼   ► in any of these videos no no although I

00:36:12 ◼   ► did swim out in the caldera but I'll

00:36:14 ◼   ► come to that in a minute

00:36:15 ◼   ► because that's part of what I do want to

00:36:16 ◼   ► talk about there are two little things

00:36:17 ◼   ► that happened I want to talk about the

00:36:19 ◼   ► first is something I did that I've

00:36:21 ◼   ► always been curious about and I'll ask

00:36:25 ◼   ► if you've ever done it but I'd be

00:36:27 ◼   ► willing to bet a considerable amount of

00:36:29 ◼   ► Disney Land credits and that is I did

00:36:35 ◼   ► that thing where you put your fate in

00:36:38 ◼   ► like a tank of fish and they nibble your

00:36:40 ◼   ► fate mm-hmm have you ever done that

00:36:43 ◼   ► I have not done that now right actually

00:36:47 ◼   ► I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to

00:36:48 ◼   ► that I think you think I really I would

00:36:50 ◼   ► find like oh I would never possibly do I

00:36:52 ◼   ► would do that I wouldn't actually have a

00:36:53 ◼   ► problem with that I just happen do you

00:36:55 ◼   ► have not I've ever been in that

00:36:57 ◼   ► situation but was it nice Brady the fish

00:36:59 ◼   ► nibbles

00:37:00 ◼   ► it was interesting right I supposedly

00:37:02 ◼   ► they're like nibbling around dead skin

00:37:04 ◼   ► and stuff and they've got a little bit

00:37:05 ◼   ► of like anesthetic or something in their

00:37:07 ◼   ► saliva then causes some sensation your

00:37:10 ◼   ► face I don't I don't really know why it

00:37:12 ◼   ► was good and how legit it was but we all

00:37:15 ◼   ► did it I was there there was my wife and

00:37:17 ◼   ► another couple and we all stuck effe in

00:37:19 ◼   ► and the things that were interesting the

00:37:22 ◼   ► first thing that was interesting was my

00:37:24 ◼   ► wife was very apprehensive about and

00:37:26 ◼   ► very stressed because

00:37:27 ◼   ► is not a fan of like fish and sea

00:37:29 ◼   ► creatures but yeah well I mean the sea

00:37:31 ◼   ► is disgusting I'm with her on that one

00:37:32 ◼   ► okay so when she put her feet in she was

00:37:35 ◼   ► very tense and the fish sense that and

00:37:37 ◼   ► the other three of us were having lots

00:37:39 ◼   ► and lots of fish nibbling on our feet

00:37:41 ◼   ► and the very few of the fish very near

00:37:43 ◼   ► perfect and I was like saying to the

00:37:46 ◼   ► people running the place Hey look my

00:37:47 ◼   ► wife's not getting any fish nibbling

00:37:48 ◼   ► what's your game and they were like is

00:37:50 ◼   ► she really worried and stressed about

00:37:51 ◼   ► this and um well actually she is and

00:37:53 ◼   ► they were like yeah the fish no I don't

00:37:55 ◼   ► know that sounds like an excuse for a

00:37:57 ◼   ► defective fish as far as anything she's

00:37:59 ◼   ► got a bad batch yeah exactly

00:38:01 ◼   ► I'm sorry those are defective but the

00:38:03 ◼   ► other thing was this little place where

00:38:04 ◼   ► they were doing it it was really set up

00:38:06 ◼   ► as bit of a tourist trap it was a lovely

00:38:08 ◼   ► looking house you could see into her and

00:38:10 ◼   ► everyone was going in to do it and

00:38:12 ◼   ► obviously we were sucked in with the

00:38:14 ◼   ► rest of them so lots of people were

00:38:15 ◼   ► taking lots of pictures and making lots

00:38:17 ◼   ► of videos and I will share one in the

00:38:19 ◼   ► show notes and you can look at me with

00:38:20 ◼   ► my feet in the fish tank and look at the

00:38:22 ◼   ► video I deliberately didn't post it

00:38:24 ◼   ► because I was saving it for the temps

00:38:26 ◼   ► Wow so they can have the first look but

00:38:29 ◼   ► it did make me wonder because we were

00:38:32 ◼   ► all like you know hovering our phones

00:38:34 ◼   ► over the tank taking these pictures so I

00:38:36 ◼   ► said to the staff how often do people

00:38:38 ◼   ► drop their phones in these fish tanks

00:38:40 ◼   ► taking pictures and they just looked at

00:38:42 ◼   ► me completely deadpan I said three or

00:38:45 ◼   ► four a day

00:38:47 ◼   ► three or four times a day people drop

00:38:50 ◼   ► their phones into the fish tank taking

00:38:51 ◼   ► pictures of fish nibbling their feet in

00:38:53 ◼   ► this one tiny shot and the other thing I

00:38:57 ◼   ► did ask was how often do people get in

00:38:59 ◼   ► because like when people first put their

00:39:01 ◼   ► feet in some people like freak out and

00:39:02 ◼   ► start screaming and my attitude is like

00:39:05 ◼   ► calm down they just little fish that

00:39:07 ◼   ► seems like someone's being a bit of a

00:39:09 ◼   ► drama llama there yeah I'm doing that

00:39:10 ◼   ► like they just want the attention for

00:39:12 ◼   ► screaming it's what they want well yeah

00:39:13 ◼   ► maybe so I did say to them how many

00:39:16 ◼   ► times a day do people pay their money

00:39:17 ◼   ► put their feet in and say not take their

00:39:20 ◼   ► feet out and leave or do not even put

00:39:22 ◼   ► their feet in at all ten times a day at

00:39:25 ◼   ► least people hand over their money and

00:39:27 ◼   ► then won't put their feet in or take

00:39:28 ◼   ► their feet straight out because they're

00:39:30 ◼   ► scared of the fish but kind of related

00:39:33 ◼   ► to phone dropping there was one other

00:39:36 ◼   ► thing that happened and you might think

00:39:37 ◼   ► this is like a boring brady story no

00:39:39 ◼   ► because essentially it is a boring

00:39:41 ◼   ► Brittany story I don't think any of your

00:39:42 ◼   ► stories are boring really

00:39:43 ◼   ► one other thing happened that really

00:39:45 ◼   ► affected me oh yeah on one of the days

00:39:47 ◼   ► we decided we would get it and we went

00:39:49 ◼   ► on this boat trip and we hired this like

00:39:51 ◼   ► posh catamaran that takes you out into

00:39:55 ◼   ► the center of Santorini you watch the

00:39:58 ◼   ► sunset and they take you out to the

00:40:00 ◼   ► middle where the center of the volcano

00:40:02 ◼   ► is and the water is volcanic they're

00:40:05 ◼   ► like it's like as you swim in it like

00:40:06 ◼   ► there are like hot patches because of

00:40:08 ◼   ► all the springs and hotness underneath

00:40:10 ◼   ► mm-hmm so I was like oh I want to swim

00:40:13 ◼   ► in that so they're like okay like not

00:40:15 ◼   ► everyone wants to swim in it but I was

00:40:17 ◼   ► you know how does now else I wanted to

00:40:19 ◼   ► jump in the volcano water of course so

00:40:21 ◼   ► they were like well you bathers might

00:40:23 ◼   ► get stained by the unusual water because

00:40:25 ◼   ► it's very smelly and full of sulfur and

00:40:27 ◼   ► I'm well I didn't care and they said and

00:40:29 ◼   ► also you have to take off like any

00:40:31 ◼   ► jewelry because that stuff might get

00:40:33 ◼   ► affected and I'm okay whatever so I took

00:40:35 ◼   ► my ring off and took my watch off and

00:40:36 ◼   ► everything and then I put them in my cap

00:40:39 ◼   ► and stuff and my sunnies and stuff and

00:40:40 ◼   ► then jumped in the water had a swim very

00:40:43 ◼   ► good fun and then when I got out I was

00:40:46 ◼   ► like oh I want to do like a snapchat or

00:40:48 ◼   ► like take a picture now you know I feel

00:40:51 ◼   ► invincible when it comes to phone

00:40:52 ◼   ► dropping I don't worry about having my

00:40:54 ◼   ► phone at the edge of things too much

00:40:57 ◼   ► because like I'm invincible I'm

00:40:59 ◼   ► invincible so I went and grabbed my cap

00:41:02 ◼   ► which had my phone in it and came and

00:41:04 ◼   ► went to the very back of the boat where

00:41:06 ◼   ► it like slopes down into the water and

00:41:07 ◼   ► took my phone out of my cap and started

00:41:12 ◼   ► doing a snap and suddenly I heard this

00:41:14 ◼   ► ding ding ding and like I thought like

00:41:17 ◼   ► the people running the boat had dropped

00:41:18 ◼   ► like a tool like a screwdriver or like a

00:41:21 ◼   ► it sounded like an allen key being

00:41:22 ◼   ► dropped I wonder what that noise was by

00:41:24 ◼   ► I ignored it and then my wife says Brady

00:41:27 ◼   ► that was your wedding ring which I'd

00:41:31 ◼   ► also put in my cap I'm like oh my

00:41:34 ◼   ► goodness and like the back of the boat

00:41:36 ◼   ► here was like you know sloped down

00:41:37 ◼   ► deliberately so water can run off into

00:41:39 ◼   ► the sea and stuff you know and I'm not

00:41:42 ◼   ► and I tell you what I've never let my

00:41:45 ◼   ► heart just sank and I looked down and

00:41:48 ◼   ► perched the very very edge of the boat

00:41:52 ◼   ► hanging into the sea hanging over was my

00:41:56 ◼   ► ring it had rode to the edge of the boat

00:41:57 ◼   ► and just stopped and it was hanging over

00:41:59 ◼   ► the edge and like I just saw her and

00:42:02 ◼   ► then in the corner of my eye like the

00:42:04 ◼   ► guy who was like running the boat one of

00:42:06 ◼   ► the boat helpers had seen it too and he

00:42:08 ◼   ► started leaning towards it to pick it up

00:42:10 ◼   ► and I just screamed stop don't touch it

00:42:14 ◼   ► look I did because I didn't want anyone

00:42:16 ◼   ► stuffing up and knocking it in yeah yeah

00:42:18 ◼   ► exactly it's like if this is going in

00:42:19 ◼   ► the water it's gotta be my fault you

00:42:21 ◼   ► know I just I just tiptoed up to it cuz

00:42:23 ◼   ► just touching it could have knocked her

00:42:24 ◼   ► over the edge

00:42:24 ◼   ► sinking into the water and I just gently

00:42:28 ◼   ► reached and just got my finger in it and

00:42:30 ◼   ► just dragged along the thing off the

00:42:32 ◼   ► edge until it was safe and then picked

00:42:34 ◼   ► up and put it on my finger and like I

00:42:36 ◼   ► was like I just sat down and I said oh

00:42:39 ◼   ► my god I can't believe that just

00:42:41 ◼   ► happened I was like what would I have

00:42:43 ◼   ► done like I can't believe it my wife was

00:42:45 ◼   ► nervous we support another one I was

00:42:52 ◼   ► like for like 10-15 minutes I just I

00:42:54 ◼   ► just had to have a little sit-down

00:42:55 ◼   ► she's a very practical woman now yeah

00:42:58 ◼   ► yeah it was it was very sobering it was

00:43:01 ◼   ► very scary oh man I think you have my

00:43:04 ◼   ► sympathies with that one it's funny

00:43:05 ◼   ► because when when my wife and I got

00:43:08 ◼   ► married we intentionally took a moment

00:43:11 ◼   ► to say to each other if you ever lose

00:43:14 ◼   ► the wedding ring

00:43:15 ◼   ► we're both agreeing now like it's not

00:43:17 ◼   ► any kind of big deal exactly like you're

00:43:18 ◼   ► like what you mean like an omen or

00:43:20 ◼   ► something yeah it's like yeah you just

00:43:21 ◼   ► lose a wedding ring you just lose it

00:43:23 ◼   ► right I can yeah it's an object you can

00:43:25 ◼   ► just lose it we'll just get another one

00:43:27 ◼   ► it's totally fine

00:43:29 ◼   ► and actually I am on I'm on my second

00:43:32 ◼   ► wedding ring in the exact same style my

00:43:34 ◼   ► wife just surprised me as a gift and got

00:43:36 ◼   ► a second wedding ring because after

00:43:38 ◼   ► after the fitted Rollins stuff from last

00:43:40 ◼   ► year my regular wedding ring was

00:43:42 ◼   ► actually a little too big on my hand and

00:43:43 ◼   ► it was bothering me so she got me one

00:43:45 ◼   ► slightly a size smaller so I don't have

00:43:47 ◼   ► this feeling of like you need to hold on

00:43:49 ◼   ► to the original item but even even I in

00:43:53 ◼   ► that moment like I think I would react

00:43:55 ◼   ► the exact same way that you do I think

00:43:57 ◼   ► there's there's like an impossibility to

00:43:59 ◼   ► not have a kind of gut reaction about

00:44:01 ◼   ► like this thing is incredibly valuable

00:44:03 ◼   ► and irreplaceable and it's like perched

00:44:05 ◼   ► on the

00:44:06 ◼   ► even if in my head I know like oh my

00:44:08 ◼   ► wife and I we agree like we'll just get

00:44:09 ◼   ► another one and at this point if I were

00:44:11 ◼   ► to lose it it wouldn't even be my

00:44:13 ◼   ► original wedding ring it's just like a

00:44:15 ◼   ► little gut reaction that I think what I

00:44:16 ◼   ► would find impossible not to do even

00:44:20 ◼   ► with intentionally no no put it like not

00:44:24 ◼   ► trying to like D sacred ties the objects

00:44:27 ◼   ► so that you're avoiding a future

00:44:29 ◼   ► disaster yeah like it's funny on the

00:44:33 ◼   ► total opposite end of the spectrum my

00:44:36 ◼   ► father-in-law has never removed his

00:44:40 ◼   ► wedding ring after he put it on for the

00:44:43 ◼   ► first time at his wedding Wow and I I

00:44:46 ◼   ► feel like that is a kind of streak that

00:44:49 ◼   ► I couldn't psychologically handle it's

00:44:51 ◼   ► just like this streak then becomes like

00:44:53 ◼   ► too long and too powerful and I whenever

00:44:56 ◼   ► anything like that would ever happen in

00:44:59 ◼   ► my life I feel like I would

00:45:00 ◼   ► intentionally D streak or D say critize

00:45:02 ◼   ► those kind of things like you can't turn

00:45:04 ◼   ► this into a thing it's like it's very

00:45:06 ◼   ► impressive that he's done that but every

00:45:07 ◼   ► time it ever comes up in conversation I

00:45:09 ◼   ► just start getting nervous for him right

00:45:12 ◼   ► but it's like you're gonna have to take

00:45:13 ◼   ► off his ring at some point I wonder if

00:45:15 ◼   ► like in quiet moments if he ever like

00:45:17 ◼   ► loosens and let pulls it down towards

00:45:19 ◼   ► his fingers like oh love the void maybe

00:45:34 ◼   ► that's the whole reason he keeps the

00:45:35 ◼   ► street going is that it's an exciting

00:45:36 ◼   ► thing to do every once in a while live

00:45:40 ◼   ► dangerously

00:45:41 ◼   ► oh but I'm glad I'm glad you got your

00:45:43 ◼   ► wedding ring back and I'm glad that your

00:45:47 ◼   ► invincibility in dropping objects is has

00:45:51 ◼   ► stayed with you it continues like it

00:45:53 ◼   ► continues and I know I'm jinxing myself

00:45:55 ◼   ► here and also I did too a bit of a lie I

00:45:58 ◼   ► am very paranoid holding my phone at the

00:46:00 ◼   ► edge of boats and things like that and I

00:46:02 ◼   ► am the guy who always says do i careful

00:46:03 ◼   ► with your phone when you're under bridge

00:46:05 ◼   ► love like I do hold it really carefully

00:46:06 ◼   ► so I am a bit paranoid about the edge of

00:46:08 ◼   ► boats so I was being super careful when

00:46:11 ◼   ► I took my phone out of the cap and just

00:46:13 ◼   ► completely forgot that I put my ring in

00:46:14 ◼   ► there is your wedding ring in there

00:46:15 ◼   ► because I never take my ring off either

00:46:17 ◼   ► really like I very rarely take it off

00:46:20 ◼   ► interesting I take my wedding ring off

00:46:21 ◼   ► fairly regularly like when I go to the

00:46:23 ◼   ► gym I take it off because it's

00:46:25 ◼   ► uncomfortable when holding the bars but

00:46:27 ◼   ► I'm always aware of trying to remember

00:46:29 ◼   ► very consciously like it is in the gym

00:46:31 ◼   ► locker like in your pants pong and like

00:46:33 ◼   ► don't forget like having a mental place

00:46:35 ◼   ► of holding it where it is and I also

00:46:38 ◼   ► just I tend to play with it as well like

00:46:39 ◼   ► I tend to take the ring off and just

00:46:41 ◼   ► like move it around in my hand and then

00:46:42 ◼   ► put it back on yeah so I feel like it's

00:46:44 ◼   ► a small miracle that I haven't lost a

00:46:46 ◼   ► ring at some point it's only a matter of

00:46:49 ◼   ► time why not join the three million

00:46:52 ◼   ► people three million apparently who have

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00:48:22 ◼   ► episode so gray this next one's gonna

00:48:26 ◼   ► require a little bit of background and

00:48:28 ◼   ► for people who follow me on twitter

00:48:31 ◼   ► they'll probably already be quite aware

00:48:32 ◼   ► of it and apologies for the who

00:48:34 ◼   ► but it has been a bit of a distraction

00:48:36 ◼   ► for me this week it shouldn't have been

00:48:37 ◼   ► some reason I got sucked into a black

00:48:39 ◼   ► hole I'm ashamed to have been sucked

00:48:41 ◼   ► into and I want to tell you about it now

00:48:42 ◼   ► yeah but you know what

00:48:43 ◼   ► something like black holes get us all

00:48:46 ◼   ► this stuff that you know that you

00:48:47 ◼   ► shouldn't get sucked into but you know

00:48:48 ◼   ► what every once in a while everyone gets

00:48:51 ◼   ► suckered into something that they

00:48:52 ◼   ► shouldn't so it's become a bit of a

00:48:53 ◼   ► guilty play toy for me so let me tell

00:48:56 ◼   ► you about it yes so first of all just by

00:48:59 ◼   ► way of background so you're kind of in

00:49:01 ◼   ► in the picture maybe a little bit of

00:49:03 ◼   ► unnecessary background but it does help

00:49:04 ◼   ► put things into context for a long time

00:49:08 ◼   ► now there's this institution in the UK

00:49:10 ◼   ► called the Radio Times I believe was

00:49:13 ◼   ► started by it was certainly part of the

00:49:15 ◼   ► BBC for a long time and I think it

00:49:17 ◼   ► started as like a printed guide to radio

00:49:19 ◼   ► listings so you knew what was on like a

00:49:22 ◼   ► TV Guide for radio yeah exactly but what

00:49:25 ◼   ► happened was it very quickly became the

00:49:27 ◼   ► TV Guide for all of the UK as well it

00:49:30 ◼   ► just kept the name Radio Times ok that's

00:49:32 ◼   ► confusing yeah so forever in a day

00:49:35 ◼   ► well back in the good old days before I

00:49:36 ◼   ► was even in the UK I think having a copy

00:49:38 ◼   ► of the Radio Times was pretty important

00:49:41 ◼   ► because it was a good way to find out

00:49:42 ◼   ► what was on TV and even to this day if

00:49:44 ◼   ► my wife wants to know what's on TV shows

00:49:46 ◼   ► sometimes say oh why don't you check the

00:49:47 ◼   ► Radio Times website because obviously it

00:49:49 ◼   ► evolved into a website now for obvious

00:49:53 ◼   ► reasons this is not a business model

00:49:55 ◼   ► that seems to have a strong future

00:49:57 ◼   ► certainly printed copies even the

00:49:59 ◼   ► website I think has limited value yeah I

00:50:01 ◼   ► mean that the very concept of what's on

00:50:04 ◼   ► TV now is I think a concept that is

00:50:07 ◼   ► dying yeah the Radio Times very much

00:50:10 ◼   ► evolved into like most of these TV

00:50:12 ◼   ► guides also evolved into kind of like a

00:50:15 ◼   ► magazine about news and what's happening

00:50:17 ◼   ► in TV shows and what's happening on the

00:50:18 ◼   ► radio so it's always got articles and

00:50:20 ◼   ► things like that as well

00:50:21 ◼   ► it's not just purely a function of TV

00:50:23 ◼   ► Guide now a while ago now I'm pretty

00:50:27 ◼   ► sure this is right if I'm wrong I'll

00:50:28 ◼   ► take my beating later but the BBC sold

00:50:32 ◼   ► the Radio Times they sold the brand I

00:50:34 ◼   ► think they thought it wasn't really that

00:50:35 ◼   ► valuable to them it still had a little

00:50:37 ◼   ► bit of value to it so they sold it off

00:50:39 ◼   ► so it's no longer a BBC commodity or

00:50:42 ◼   ► asset it's just the Radio Times I'm not

00:50:45 ◼   ► a follower of it but from the little bit

00:50:47 ◼   ► I've looked

00:50:48 ◼   ► this week I have the distinct impression

00:50:50 ◼   ► it's gone a little bit trashy it's gone

00:50:53 ◼   ► a little bit town market since the BBC

00:50:55 ◼   ► offloaded it you can imagine in you know

00:50:58 ◼   ► the fight to survive maybe there they're

00:51:00 ◼   ► going a bit down market

00:51:01 ◼   ► just my opinion apologies if I'm wrong

00:51:03 ◼   ► so that's what the Radio Times is

00:51:06 ◼   ► they've got this website a little bit

00:51:08 ◼   ► trashy populist might be a nicer way to

00:51:10 ◼   ► put it yeah it looks like they just have

00:51:12 ◼   ► a bunch of news about celebrities like

00:51:14 ◼   ► I'm just clicking around and it's like

00:51:16 ◼   ► celebrity TV news stuff yeah so again a

00:51:22 ◼   ► lot of this I have found out in

00:51:23 ◼   ► retrospect but last year they had on

00:51:26 ◼   ► their website they did some kind of

00:51:28 ◼   ► popularity contest

00:51:29 ◼   ► with different categories like who's

00:51:31 ◼   ► your favorite actor who's your favorite

00:51:33 ◼   ► TV star who's your favorite radio

00:51:35 ◼   ► presenter and they did all this public

00:51:37 ◼   ► online voting mm-hmm and I don't think

00:51:39 ◼   ► you win anything in particular you're

00:51:41 ◼   ► just like I think they call it like

00:51:42 ◼   ► their champion their radio times

00:51:44 ◼   ► champion or whatever and apparently it

00:51:46 ◼   ► was quite popular last year so they've

00:51:48 ◼   ► done it again this year and early in

00:51:50 ◼   ► this year's contest it was brought to my

00:51:54 ◼   ► attention and this is where the story

00:51:56 ◼   ► starts for me and unbeknownst to you

00:51:59 ◼   ► also starts for you because one of the

00:52:02 ◼   ► categories they created this year

00:52:04 ◼   ► instead of just having radio stars they

00:52:06 ◼   ► seem to have radio and podcast mm-hmm

00:52:09 ◼   ► they created some audio section it's not

00:52:12 ◼   ► entirely clear what you're voting on or

00:52:15 ◼   ► how one becomes the champion whether you

00:52:17 ◼   ► are like you know I don't know if it's

00:52:20 ◼   ► if you're good at your job or just

00:52:21 ◼   ► popular or have a nice voice or whatever

00:52:25 ◼   ► it is that doesn't seem to be specified

00:52:26 ◼   ► it's just like a trashy contest online

00:52:30 ◼   ► to drive lots of people to their website

00:52:32 ◼   ► with pages with ads on it and get lots

00:52:35 ◼   ► of clicks

00:52:35 ◼   ► it's like clickbait isn't it and they're

00:52:38 ◼   ► taking advantage of people's popularity

00:52:40 ◼   ► these things happen now for reasons

00:52:44 ◼   ► again unbeknownst to me how this

00:52:45 ◼   ► happened you and I were lumped into this

00:52:47 ◼   ► contest no it's not exactly clear to me

00:52:51 ◼   ► how one becomes the champion I'm not

00:52:53 ◼   ► sure if it was like for the person who

00:52:55 ◼   ► like has the best voice or is the most

00:52:57 ◼   ► entertaining or it's just a raw

00:52:59 ◼   ► popularity contest which i think is what

00:53:01 ◼   ► a kind of

00:53:02 ◼   ► today well it says here that the radio

00:53:04 ◼   ► and podcast champion is about who's got

00:53:07 ◼   ► the velvet voice to claim the title well

00:53:10 ◼   ► but it's actually just a popularity

00:53:12 ◼   ► contest I did read that a velvet voice

00:53:14 ◼   ► line and that did make me think Grey's

00:53:16 ◼   ► demand but anyway let's talk about what

00:53:19 ◼   ► happened obviously this is just like a

00:53:21 ◼   ► clickbait click farm that we're all

00:53:24 ◼   ► getting suckered into this is a machine

00:53:25 ◼   ► to generate page views as well yes yes

00:53:28 ◼   ► so all of this has happened unbeknownst

00:53:31 ◼   ► to me it was drawn to my attention by a

00:53:34 ◼   ► benign tweet where someone pointed it

00:53:37 ◼   ► out that I clicked on and I landed on

00:53:38 ◼   ► the page near the star of this

00:53:41 ◼   ► competition now the way the competition

00:53:44 ◼   ► is structured is the same in all the

00:53:45 ◼   ► different categories but I'll just talk

00:53:46 ◼   ► about the radio podcast category and

00:53:48 ◼   ► what they seem to have done is created

00:53:51 ◼   ► this huge list of audio personalities

00:53:55 ◼   ► for lack of a better term because it's

00:53:56 ◼   ► radio and podcast people all lumped

00:53:58 ◼   ► together mm-hmm

00:53:59 ◼   ► and I'm assuming it's very UK skewed

00:54:02 ◼   ► mm-hmm because there's lots of British

00:54:04 ◼   ► radio presenters in there lots of famous

00:54:06 ◼   ► names from over the years and things

00:54:07 ◼   ► like that and you and I obviously was in

00:54:10 ◼   ► this list I don't know how on earth has

00:54:12 ◼   ► happened but it happened well I mean I

00:54:14 ◼   ► guess we're a UK podcast yeah but I

00:54:17 ◼   ► don't know how the people at Radio Times

00:54:18 ◼   ► knew about us and stuff like I would

00:54:20 ◼   ► have thought we were a little bit

00:54:21 ◼   ► obscure for them anyway we're there I do

00:54:24 ◼   ► not think we would be a little bit

00:54:25 ◼   ► obscure for the bit continue on all

00:54:27 ◼   ► right so what happens is all of these

00:54:30 ◼   ► people this massive list was broken into

00:54:32 ◼   ► four groups Group a group B C and D like

00:54:36 ◼   ► a World Cup or a sporting competition

00:54:38 ◼   ► and apparently this division was done

00:54:41 ◼   ► randomly you and I ended up in the same

00:54:44 ◼   ► group we were in Group D well it was

00:54:47 ◼   ► drawn to my attention myself and this

00:54:50 ◼   ► other chap called Greg James who I've

00:54:52 ◼   ► learned is like a very famous Radio One

00:54:55 ◼   ► presenter in the UK BBC Radio 1 very

00:54:58 ◼   ► popular with the young people he's like

00:55:00 ◼   ► he's a big deal so him and I were like

00:55:03 ◼   ► near the top and you were like 3rd or

00:55:05 ◼   ► 4th or something but obviously there had

00:55:07 ◼   ► not been many votes at this point

00:55:08 ◼   ► because one or two votes here and there

00:55:10 ◼   ► were dramatically changing the

00:55:13 ◼   ► percentages of who got what right right

00:55:15 ◼   ► and

00:55:15 ◼   ► when I drew people was attention to this

00:55:17 ◼   ► things changed rapidly and you

00:55:21 ◼   ► absolutely skyrocketed to the top of the

00:55:24 ◼   ► group D at one point you were like

00:55:26 ◼   ► garnering 70% of the vote and myself in

00:55:30 ◼   ► this chap called Greg James was sort of

00:55:32 ◼   ► slugging it out for second place we were

00:55:34 ◼   ► quite close I was encouraging people to

00:55:37 ◼   ► actually vote for you because this is

00:55:39 ◼   ► obviously a nonsense thing and sort of

00:55:42 ◼   ► the the public recognition and like you

00:55:44 ◼   ► winning a public vote like this would be

00:55:46 ◼   ► so awkward that it would tickle me no

00:55:48 ◼   ► end and be quite funny so I was quite

00:55:49 ◼   ► happy to see you streaking away but yeah

00:55:51 ◼   ► no I know I know exactly what you're up

00:55:53 ◼   ► to here right like you're trying to put

00:55:54 ◼   ► me in a difficult position if I were to

00:55:56 ◼   ► win this thing I know I know what you're

00:55:57 ◼   ► doing you're not doing me any favors

00:55:59 ◼   ► yeah so anyway I thought this was very

00:56:01 ◼   ► funny and you were running away in

00:56:03 ◼   ► winning Group D and it got to the point

00:56:05 ◼   ► where so many teams were involved and

00:56:07 ◼   ► there was all this red a coordination

00:56:08 ◼   ► going that I was even trying to

00:56:10 ◼   ► manipulate the percentages and I was

00:56:11 ◼   ► sort of saying let's try and get gray

00:56:13 ◼   ► onto exactly you know two-thirds of the

00:56:15 ◼   ► vote and things like that and for a

00:56:17 ◼   ► while that was working but then you sort

00:56:19 ◼   ► of came back a little bit but you ended

00:56:22 ◼   ► up with over fifty percent of the vote

00:56:23 ◼   ► in group day big big winner and I

00:56:26 ◼   ► indulged this Greg James guy for second

00:56:28 ◼   ► place no doubt because all the Tim's

00:56:30 ◼   ► were playing around and this vote is the

00:56:33 ◼   ► worst structured voting system in the

00:56:35 ◼   ► history of voting because you can just

00:56:37 ◼   ► vote multiple times you could just sit

00:56:39 ◼   ► there and click some people are saying

00:56:41 ◼   ► you can't vote twice in a minute on

00:56:43 ◼   ► their browsers but other people they're

00:56:44 ◼   ► just voting over and over again so the

00:56:47 ◼   ► whole thing's a debacle yeah yeah

00:56:48 ◼   ► there's no way that's true I have voted

00:56:50 ◼   ► immediately after it's a debacle so

00:56:53 ◼   ► anyway you won and I thought that was

00:56:56 ◼   ► good and I actually hadn't really looked

00:56:57 ◼   ► into what happened next and I assumed

00:56:59 ◼   ► you would go off and then now compete

00:57:01 ◼   ► with the winners of Group A B and C but

00:57:05 ◼   ► we are nowhere near that stage yet

00:57:07 ◼   ► because what it turns out what they then

00:57:09 ◼   ► did to keep this clique farm running

00:57:12 ◼   ► mm-hmm

00:57:12 ◼   ► was the top eight people in each group

00:57:15 ◼   ► then have this kind of head-to-head

00:57:18 ◼   ► knockout contest so you're paired up

00:57:21 ◼   ► with people now and there are these

00:57:22 ◼   ► head-to-head battles so you were paired

00:57:25 ◼   ► up with a woman called Jenny Murray

00:57:27 ◼   ► who's the present

00:57:29 ◼   ► of the woman's hour on BBC radio and

00:57:31 ◼   ► that vote went along and you won that

00:57:34 ◼   ► vote congratulations so you got to go

00:57:36 ◼   ► through to the next stage I was paired

00:57:39 ◼   ► up with someone very interesting I was

00:57:40 ◼   ► paired up with a radio presenter called

00:57:44 ◼   ► Chris Evans okay that's the name I know

00:57:45 ◼   ► I know the name Chris Evans I don't know

00:57:47 ◼   ► why but I know that name our American

00:57:49 ◼   ► friends would know him because he

00:57:50 ◼   ► presented top gear for a year just

00:57:52 ◼   ► recently when the big top gear up he he

00:57:55 ◼   ► was the guy that was brought in to try

00:57:56 ◼   ► and save the show he's very very famous

00:57:58 ◼   ► in the UK less famous elsewhere and

00:58:01 ◼   ► funnily enough on that exact same day

00:58:03 ◼   ► that I was paired up with him the BBC

00:58:06 ◼   ► the big news story of the day in the UK

00:58:09 ◼   ► was the BBC had been forced to release

00:58:10 ◼   ► the salaries of all of their celebrities

00:58:13 ◼   ► that earned over a hundred and fifty

00:58:14 ◼   ► thousand pounds a year and Chris Evans

00:58:17 ◼   ► came top of the list here and like

00:58:19 ◼   ► something over 2 million pounds a year

00:58:21 ◼   ► from the BBC so he was really really

00:58:23 ◼   ► heavily in the news that day mm-hmm it

00:58:25 ◼   ► was a big deal can you believe Chris

00:58:26 ◼   ► Evans gets 2 million pounds of public

00:58:28 ◼   ► money and all this sort of stuff and

00:58:30 ◼   ► then the BBC were defending at saying

00:58:32 ◼   ► look he hosts the most popular radio

00:58:34 ◼   ► show on Europe's most popular radio

00:58:36 ◼   ► station of course he's worth all this

00:58:38 ◼   ► money and on the same day I was in this

00:58:40 ◼   ► popularity contest with Chris Evans so

00:58:43 ◼   ► this really amused me and most of my

00:58:47 ◼   ► friends have no interest or don't even

00:58:50 ◼   ► know about hello Internet so for me to

00:58:53 ◼   ► be able to go on Facebook and say to my

00:58:54 ◼   ► friend say look I'm in a popularity

00:58:56 ◼   ► contest with Chris Evans who everyone

00:58:58 ◼   ► knows that was like quite funny my

00:59:00 ◼   ► friends were quite amused by that and lo

00:59:02 ◼   ► and behold again thanks to the Tim's and

00:59:05 ◼   ► probably thanks to the fact recipients

00:59:07 ◼   ► was keeping a low media profile that day

00:59:08 ◼   ► and was unlikely to tweet and ask all

00:59:11 ◼   ► his fans to vote for him I don't see why

00:59:13 ◼   ► but let's ignore that I won the vote

00:59:16 ◼   ► like I I smashed Chris Evans so this was

00:59:19 ◼   ► very amusing to me I think this allows

00:59:21 ◼   ► you to officially put on your CV Brady

00:59:23 ◼   ► Haran more popular than Chris F yes

00:59:25 ◼   ► anyway so this was really funny and for

00:59:27 ◼   ► me this was like my Wimbledon like Timmy

00:59:30 ◼   ► I was like the journeyman tennis player

00:59:32 ◼   ► in the early rounds of Wimbledon tennis

00:59:34 ◼   ► tournament playing a high seed and

00:59:36 ◼   ► winning and even though I don't win the

00:59:37 ◼   ► tournament I was like a giant killer and

00:59:39 ◼   ► I'd had my moment so anyway we went

00:59:41 ◼   ► through to the next round

00:59:42 ◼   ► I was paired up next time with my

00:59:45 ◼   ► nemesis Greg James again this red here

00:59:48 ◼   ► one presenter who I advised for second

00:59:50 ◼   ► place with the first time around

00:59:52 ◼   ► and I was like joking around on Twitter

00:59:53 ◼   ► like saying I look at my nemesis but I

00:59:56 ◼   ► didn't actually know that much about him

00:59:57 ◼   ► to be honest like I knew he was like

00:59:59 ◼   ► very popular

00:59:59 ◼   ► very popular

01:00:00 ◼   ► hello and that so I went to his

01:00:01 ◼   ► Wikipedia page just to learn more about

01:00:02 ◼   ► him and the Tim's had already beaten me

01:00:05 ◼   ► there and in the part of Wikipedia page

01:00:07 ◼   ► where it was like you write about that

01:00:09 ◼   ► personal information it said his arch

01:00:11 ◼   ► nemesis is Brady Haran the YouTube video

01:00:13 ◼   ► creator and podcast he was officially

01:00:17 ◼   ► vs. no I'm just like man I'm just

01:00:24 ◼   ► laughing because it's like there's this

01:00:27 ◼   ► virus there's like these minor pages of

01:00:30 ◼   ► Wikipedia yeah I have seen editors that

01:00:32 ◼   ► specifically reference like hello

01:00:34 ◼   ► Internet vandalism reverted know what

01:00:37 ◼   ► people are up to and again I would never

01:00:39 ◼   ► encourage these hilarious edits on minor

01:00:42 ◼   ► pages like it's not something that you

01:00:43 ◼   ► should do with the Wikipedia but it's

01:00:45 ◼   ► just like it just really I love the idea

01:00:47 ◼   ► that this random person is enlisted as

01:00:49 ◼   ► your heart anyway that was me and you

01:00:55 ◼   ► were put up against this guy called

01:00:56 ◼   ► Steve Allen who I have to admit again I

01:00:58 ◼   ► wasn't familiar with but I learned is a

01:01:00 ◼   ► very popular London talk show host and

01:01:04 ◼   ► has been around for years and years and

01:01:06 ◼   ► has won awards and you know good on him

01:01:08 ◼   ► very big name in radio apparently okay

01:01:11 ◼   ► I'll take your word for it

01:01:12 ◼   ► hmm so you are winning against him and I

01:01:15 ◼   ► was holding my own against Greg James

01:01:17 ◼   ► and like the teams were getting involved

01:01:19 ◼   ► and I saw coordination on reddit which

01:01:22 ◼   ► led to the coining of two new terms both

01:01:25 ◼   ► of which I quite like

01:01:26 ◼   ► one is Tim work whom Tim's work together

01:01:29 ◼   ► to make cently happen I like that that's

01:01:31 ◼   ► great yeah and the other one was Tim

01:01:33 ◼   ► Foley

01:01:36 ◼   ► also a good one

01:01:38 ◼   ► those are great words that's fantastic

01:01:41 ◼   ► so there was a lot of Tim work and Tim

01:01:43 ◼   ► foolery going around and I believe

01:01:44 ◼   ► scripts and algorithms were being

01:01:46 ◼   ► written to try and ballot stuff and help

01:01:49 ◼   ► us out I mean hey the website says vote

01:01:51 ◼   ► early vote often like forty one yeah so

01:01:54 ◼   ► anyway I went on to win my vote against

01:01:57 ◼   ► my nemesis Greg James and that was

01:01:59 ◼   ► setting up the much-anticipated and

01:02:02 ◼   ► talked about final in Group D against

01:02:04 ◼   ► you and everyone was so curious about

01:02:06 ◼   ► what would happen when you and I were

01:02:07 ◼   ► placed head-to-head and I already had

01:02:09 ◼   ► all my jokes and gags and things I was

01:02:11 ◼   ► going to do ready it was going to be so

01:02:12 ◼   ► much fun

01:02:13 ◼   ► but Steve Allen supporters they got

01:02:17 ◼   ► together on Facebook and elsewhere and

01:02:19 ◼   ► they put in a really concerted effort

01:02:21 ◼   ► and obviously you were oblivious to all

01:02:23 ◼   ► this so you weren't trying to manipulate

01:02:24 ◼   ► the process anyway well no I knew this

01:02:26 ◼   ► thing was happening because you I'd seen

01:02:28 ◼   ► it the day before get started but it was

01:02:30 ◼   ► one of these things I quickly realized

01:02:32 ◼   ► the last thing in the world that I want

01:02:33 ◼   ► is to win this poll right so that's why

01:02:35 ◼   ► I was like I'm gonna shut the hell up on

01:02:37 ◼   ► Twitter like that's my strategy like I

01:02:40 ◼   ► would I decided to close my mouth about

01:02:42 ◼   ► this yeah well there were rumors

01:02:44 ◼   ► abounded that you so didn't want to win

01:02:46 ◼   ► that you were actually writing scripts

01:02:48 ◼   ► and you were manipulating the vote in

01:02:49 ◼   ► favor of Steve Allen I cannot comment on

01:02:52 ◼   ► that well whatever the reason well Steve

01:02:57 ◼   ► Allen came back and he won so that was

01:03:00 ◼   ► the end of you I'm afraid you were

01:03:01 ◼   ► knocked out yes thank you Steve Allen so

01:03:04 ◼   ► to win Group D and this is going on at

01:03:07 ◼   ► the moment I should point out for people

01:03:08 ◼   ► listening so you're not going to get

01:03:09 ◼   ► resolution in this podcast this is

01:03:11 ◼   ► occurring live we're live podcasting

01:03:13 ◼   ► about this so to win Group D it was me

01:03:16 ◼   ► versus Steve Allen and like I have to

01:03:18 ◼   ► say I didn't care about winning I didn't

01:03:21 ◼   ► want to win I wanted you to win I wasn't

01:03:23 ◼   ► competitive about it I wasn't too

01:03:25 ◼   ► bothered I'd had my fun I had my moment

01:03:27 ◼   ► with Chris Evans who was the only person

01:03:29 ◼   ► in the list who was really really famous

01:03:30 ◼   ► to me yeah and I'd beaten him so I felt

01:03:32 ◼   ► like I'd had my fun and I had my moment

01:03:34 ◼   ► and whatever happens happens

01:03:36 ◼   ► yeah and I was keeping an eye on it from

01:03:38 ◼   ► time to time because people were

01:03:39 ◼   ► tweeting me and early on I was like a

01:03:42 ◼   ► head and then Steve Allen was pegging me

01:03:44 ◼   ► back and it was pretty much 50/50 and he

01:03:46 ◼   ► seems to have these surges later that's

01:03:48 ◼   ► what happened against you he had this

01:03:49 ◼   ► late surge so I thought okay well he's

01:03:51 ◼   ► gonna win he's obviously a big famous

01:03:53 ◼   ► award-winning radio presenter and good

01:03:55 ◼   ► luck to him but then someone pointed out

01:03:58 ◼   ► to me a tweet that he had written and it

01:04:03 ◼   ► kind of riled me up a little bit yeah so

01:04:05 ◼   ► I came across this as well and I

01:04:09 ◼   ► understand what you're sort of

01:04:11 ◼   ► hesitating to say here because in like

01:04:14 ◼   ► in this story I am totally with you it's

01:04:17 ◼   ► like oh this has been like a funny thing

01:04:18 ◼   ► but then Steve Allen tweets

01:04:21 ◼   ► I'm through to the quarterfinals so we

01:04:25 ◼   ► need to vote again on the

01:04:27 ◼   ► Radio Times website it's another person

01:04:30 ◼   ► I've never heard of please vote another

01:04:33 ◼   ► person I've never heard of yet so this

01:04:35 ◼   ► is referring to the both of us yeah as

01:04:39 ◼   ► like it's somebody I've never heard of

01:04:42 ◼   ► vote for me against this nobody that's

01:04:45 ◼   ► what it sounds like it's kind of feels a

01:04:47 ◼   ► bit that way doesn't know we're a couple

01:04:49 ◼   ► of nobodies and go and vote for me a bit

01:04:51 ◼   ► sort this out

01:04:52 ◼   ► it totally does like always with tweets

01:04:54 ◼   ► you know it's like you can't people are

01:04:56 ◼   ► terrible at reading the thing the way

01:04:58 ◼   ► someone means for it to be read yeah but

01:05:01 ◼   ► when I came across this because now I'm

01:05:03 ◼   ► in the position of I have nothing to

01:05:05 ◼   ► worry about and it's you versus Steve

01:05:07 ◼   ► Allen now in my mind this thing is

01:05:10 ◼   ► totally switched because I feel like

01:05:12 ◼   ► Steve Allen well guess what Steve Allen

01:05:15 ◼   ► I don't know who the hell you are right

01:05:17 ◼   ► but you you are not treating Brady with

01:05:22 ◼   ► the respect he deserves and Dave and I

01:05:24 ◼   ► want to see you crushed like I don't

01:05:27 ◼   ► want to see Brady just win like I want

01:05:30 ◼   ► to see you a crowned into the goddamn

01:05:33 ◼   ► dust by a podcast with many many

01:05:37 ◼   ► hundreds of thousands of followers right

01:05:40 ◼   ► it's like somebody you've never heard of

01:05:42 ◼   ► and what like you can't bother to type

01:05:44 ◼   ► it into Google for two seconds to look

01:05:46 ◼   ► up who dr. Brady Haran is like you can't

01:05:48 ◼   ► figure this out you can't even look at

01:05:50 ◼   ► this guy on Twitter who has way more

01:05:51 ◼   ► Twitter followers than you like there's

01:05:53 ◼   ► something about it which whether he

01:05:55 ◼   ► intended or not like just comes off as

01:05:58 ◼   ► incredibly dismissive and it's like it's

01:06:01 ◼   ► because he's against you I feel really

01:06:03 ◼   ► emotionally invested your victory over

01:06:06 ◼   ► Steve Allen like I really do this guy

01:06:09 ◼   ► I've never heard of but like I would

01:06:11 ◼   ► never go on the internet and be like Oh

01:06:13 ◼   ► Brady's got a beat some Rando I've never

01:06:15 ◼   ► heard of just go vote right and in it

01:06:17 ◼   ► like in a very

01:06:18 ◼   ► assumptive way like something about it

01:06:20 ◼   ► just drives me crazy and so like

01:06:21 ◼   ► whatever you're gonna say I feel like I

01:06:24 ◼   ► feel it ten times more than you do

01:06:26 ◼   ► oh that's nice I tell you what gray he's

01:06:29 ◼   ► heard of us now yeah I hope so

01:06:34 ◼   ► so I don't know what's gonna happen I

01:06:36 ◼   ► don't know whether Steve Allen is going

01:06:37 ◼   ► to defeat the both of us well here's the

01:06:40 ◼   ► thing I don't know what's going to

01:06:42 ◼   ► happen I can simply say at this very

01:06:44 ◼   ► moment I have just checked the results

01:06:46 ◼   ► and so far we have managed to push you

01:06:48 ◼   ► into an 81 percent victory over 19

01:06:52 ◼   ► percent for Steve Allen so so far we're

01:06:55 ◼   ► doing pretty well I don't know when this

01:06:57 ◼   ► round finishes but he's got quite a lead

01:07:01 ◼   ► to overcome at this point and I'm I'm

01:07:04 ◼   ► still going to be promoting this on

01:07:06 ◼   ► Twitter like I want to see that

01:07:07 ◼   ► disparity get as high as it can get

01:07:10 ◼   ► I'm kinda hoping he gets a bit sour

01:07:12 ◼   ► grapes about if it happens that way but

01:07:13 ◼   ► I don't know what's gonna happen but I

01:07:15 ◼   ► don't know when it ends it ends in a

01:07:18 ◼   ► couple of days actually so it's gonna be

01:07:20 ◼   ► a long battle this one but you know what

01:07:22 ◼   ► couple of days it gives us plenty of

01:07:23 ◼   ► time to push that up even higher yeah

01:07:26 ◼   ► like keep going and keep cut but like

01:07:29 ◼   ► okay so I feel like I sort of jumped in

01:07:31 ◼   ► over you here because of the intensity

01:07:33 ◼   ► of my emotion over this pointless and

01:07:36 ◼   ► poorly rigged popularity contests that

01:07:39 ◼   ► is a fartist that is entirely to

01:07:41 ◼   ► generate money for a lowbrow TV Guide

01:07:44 ◼   ► right the whole thing is just comical

01:07:48 ◼   ► but like what is life if we don't get

01:07:50 ◼   ► ridiculously upset over things that

01:07:52 ◼   ► don't matter right no fun at all that's

01:07:54 ◼   ► what it is but so I feel like I jumped

01:07:56 ◼   ► in on this how do you feel Brady how

01:07:58 ◼   ► does that tweet make you feel do you

01:08:00 ◼   ► know what not really riled but there are

01:08:03 ◼   ► you know among my many vices two of them

01:08:06 ◼   ► are people treating new media with

01:08:11 ◼   ► disrespect like old media like TV and

01:08:14 ◼   ► radio people treating online video and

01:08:16 ◼   ► podcasts disrespectful yeah like it's

01:08:18 ◼   ► the second-class citizen I feel like

01:08:21 ◼   ► he's done that a little bit and the

01:08:22 ◼   ► other problem I have is like I do get a

01:08:25 ◼   ► bit competitive about games this is why

01:08:27 ◼   ► I don't play games like those read on

01:08:29 ◼   ► that because I'm a little bit

01:08:29 ◼   ► competitive I'd managed to completely

01:08:31 ◼   ► Park that I was like I don't care I

01:08:34 ◼   ► still don't care about like what happens

01:08:36 ◼   ► when it goes to group a and B and D you

01:08:38 ◼   ► know those people

01:08:39 ◼   ► there's some big famous people in there

01:08:40 ◼   ► and I I hope they win like I don't care

01:08:43 ◼   ► about winning but this one now

01:08:45 ◼   ► like I've kind of got a little bit

01:08:47 ◼   ► about and I'm like ah you know what now

01:08:50 ◼   ► I do kind of want to win this one yeah

01:08:51 ◼   ► I'm with you on that entirely yeah yeah

01:08:53 ◼   ► and like if the other people in the

01:08:55 ◼   ► other groups I'm sure they don't even

01:08:56 ◼   ► care about this and I'm sure they're not

01:08:57 ◼   ► kind of like tweek you know I'll look

01:08:59 ◼   ► I'm against some nobody

01:09:00 ◼   ► I don't even know what's happening and

01:09:02 ◼   ► that's fine and you know they deserve to

01:09:03 ◼   ► win because they're big famous popular

01:09:05 ◼   ► people and this is just a popularity

01:09:06 ◼   ► contest but this guy riled me a bit and

01:09:09 ◼   ► so it has brought out a little bit of my

01:09:11 ◼   ► competitive streak so I was saying to

01:09:13 ◼   ► people come on you know help me out so

01:09:15 ◼   ► when a big protective uncle gray weighed

01:09:16 ◼   ► in and said let's crush this going to

01:09:18 ◼   ► the grave I did feel like thanks man one

01:09:24 ◼   ► of my favorite things I saw today a

01:09:25 ◼   ► friend of ours Logan from who works for

01:09:28 ◼   ► Ted ed and call me Ishmael

01:09:29 ◼   ► of course he saw what was going on and

01:09:31 ◼   ► he sent out a small message to some of

01:09:33 ◼   ► his friends on slack and not only do I

01:09:35 ◼   ► like that he was helping me out I also

01:09:37 ◼   ► loved how he described the competition

01:09:39 ◼   ► he wrote our pal Brady Haran from purely

01:09:41 ◼   ► videos in hello internet etc has

01:09:43 ◼   ► advanced to round four of the radio

01:09:45 ◼   ► turns radio and quad cast Championships

01:09:47 ◼   ► and then he wrote the contest is

01:09:49 ◼   ► basically the Grammy Awards meets human

01:09:51 ◼   ► of the year makes Twitter polls but

01:09:54 ◼   ► bigger cast your vote here so I don't

01:10:01 ◼   ► know what's gonna happen I don't know

01:10:02 ◼   ► what's gonna happen but like I kind of

01:10:04 ◼   ► wouldn't mind flying the flag for group

01:10:07 ◼   ► D now just because of this but we'll see

01:10:09 ◼   ► it's gonna be a long day and a half if

01:10:11 ◼   ► we're gonna do it but I think we're

01:10:13 ◼   ► gonna win but it's totally right that

01:10:15 ◼   ► this does this does touch on this weird

01:10:18 ◼   ► I don't even know how to put it but

01:10:20 ◼   ► there is like this weird still dismissal

01:10:23 ◼   ► stroke antagonism between old media like

01:10:27 ◼   ► toward new media and particularly in the

01:10:30 ◼   ► personalities and I don't know I feel

01:10:33 ◼   ► like there's something that has really

01:10:34 ◼   ► shifted here because I remember you and

01:10:37 ◼   ► I a few years ago we used to have

01:10:39 ◼   ► conversations about internet fame versus

01:10:42 ◼   ► what I used to call real fame I was like

01:10:46 ◼   ► oh there's real famous people and

01:10:48 ◼   ► there's internet famous people yeah and

01:10:50 ◼   ► while I do think that there are still

01:10:53 ◼   ► important differences between those two

01:10:56 ◼   ► levels and in terms of things like pure

01:10:59 ◼   ► name wreck

01:11:01 ◼   ► mission for example yeah I feel like

01:11:03 ◼   ► with the with the changes that have

01:11:05 ◼   ► happened over the past few years I feel

01:11:06 ◼   ► like something has switched and now the

01:11:08 ◼   ► now like internet fame feels more like

01:11:11 ◼   ► the real Fame and old media or like

01:11:16 ◼   ► movie or TV people they're famous in a

01:11:20 ◼   ► way that is more widely recognizable but

01:11:23 ◼   ► just somehow feels less real to me than

01:11:26 ◼   ► internet fame I simply mean this in the

01:11:29 ◼   ► way like when I think of the creators

01:11:30 ◼   ► that I follow the people who are famous

01:11:32 ◼   ► to me because I follow the work that

01:11:35 ◼   ► they do

01:11:36 ◼   ► yeah when I say it's more real I have

01:11:38 ◼   ► this feeling like I have some better

01:11:40 ◼   ► sense of who those people are and

01:11:44 ◼   ► there's something that just feels very

01:11:47 ◼   ► produced and artificial about old media

01:11:51 ◼   ► creations and of course sometimes that's

01:11:53 ◼   ► what you want like you want a movie to

01:11:54 ◼   ► be an artificially created thing but I

01:11:57 ◼   ► just I feel like there's something that

01:11:58 ◼   ► has switched in my mind about these two

01:12:01 ◼   ► things and I would never I would never

01:12:03 ◼   ► use that phrase any more like real Fame

01:12:05 ◼   ► to describe someone who is in movies

01:12:08 ◼   ► it's just like internet fame now feels

01:12:11 ◼   ► more real or it may be it's like it's

01:12:13 ◼   ► more close is a better word to describe

01:12:16 ◼   ► it I don't know it's just but it's like

01:12:19 ◼   ► partly because I feel like the switch

01:12:20 ◼   ► has happened in my mind I feel more

01:12:22 ◼   ► riled when I see old media people be

01:12:25 ◼   ► like casually dismissive of a thing and

01:12:29 ◼   ► especially even like the incredibly

01:12:31 ◼   ► broad audience of YouTube channels and

01:12:35 ◼   ► podcasts it's it's like on the Internet

01:12:37 ◼   ► you don't know who you're necessarily

01:12:39 ◼   ► messing with when it's at like another

01:12:41 ◼   ► internet creator because it's sometimes

01:12:43 ◼   ► harder to find out like what our viewer

01:12:45 ◼   ► listenership numbers so yeah it's just

01:12:47 ◼   ► it just bothered me it really did bother

01:12:49 ◼   ► me that tweeted riled me up well I've

01:12:51 ◼   ► appreciated your support because I have

01:12:53 ◼   ► no delusion that you that big popper

01:12:55 ◼   ► weighing into the Twitter debate has

01:12:57 ◼   ► certainly upped the ante someone I have

01:13:00 ◼   ► to say though I don't entirely agree

01:13:01 ◼   ► with what you said about the internet

01:13:03 ◼   ► fame and I I don't think I'm completely

01:13:06 ◼   ► on board with you like tell me what you

01:13:08 ◼   ► mean well certainly going to this most

01:13:11 ◼   ► recent VidCon because this was the first

01:13:13 ◼   ► time I've been to VidCon since epoch

01:13:15 ◼   ► oh god of course I feel my monster that

01:13:17 ◼   ► it is yes I keep forgetting that this

01:13:19 ◼   ► was your first VidCon yeah okay I went

01:13:21 ◼   ► to like the second one when it was a bit