The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► hi this is me and I'm talking to you [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► things are happening John sounds good [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► Marco the fact that you're asking me if [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► I'm still here is alarming but I'm just [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► going to keep talking until somebody [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► starts to interrupt me and talks over me [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► which is pretty much the story of this [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► entire show a serenity Caldwell friend [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► of the show has some iPad size [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► comparisons and so we'll put a few links [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► in the show notes I briefly earlier [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► tonight handled my friend Steve's iPad [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► and was playing with his 10.5 and it [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► again seems nice it doesn't really seem [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► any different in size in the hand than [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► the iPad I used to own the full size [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► iPad but Sorrenti has some thoughts and [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► some comparisons and things so I don't [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► know John you want to take us through [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► this I like the the diagram she [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► originally tweeted them one Dyess [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► presumably when she was writing the [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► article but those little like yellow [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► rectangle diagrams take a look at the [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► one that shows the iPad body size [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► comparison you got like the Mini is a [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► little thing up in the corner and then [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► the twelve point nine inch iPad pro is [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► the big thing the difference between the [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► nine point seven and that ten point five [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► is so tiny proportionally that's why [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► they feel almost the same because they [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► really almost are the same and if you [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► look at the screen difference between [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► nine point seven ten point five it's a [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► little more uniform where it's not like [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► a you know it's it's more substantial [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► looking so this is a great [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► representation of how they've managed to [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► put a bigger screen on an iPad that's [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► not that much bigger and why it doesn't [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► feel monstrous why it just feels like [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► you know if you give to a regular person [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► and they do aren't intimately familiar [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► with a nine point seven they might not [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► even notice the physical size of the [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► thing is bigger so I think that's a big [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► selling point of this device and if you [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► had any doubts take a look at these [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► diagrams they're pretty convincing [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► speaking of serenity Caldwell she also [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► has some information about typing to [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► Siri in iOS 11 so in iOS 11 when it [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► comes down the fall users will be able [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► to turn on type to Siri in their [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► accessibility settings which will let [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► you write your commands to Siri rather [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► than shouting them into space which we [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► had known about but you know she has a [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► little bit more detail and I don't I [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► can't decide if this is going to be [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► awesome [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► or kind of redundant in useless it's [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► nice to have that [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► because sometimes either don't want to [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► speak out loud but you want to use the [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► functionality provided by Siri you know [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► even if it's just I don't know if this [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► is the case but imagine for example that [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► you routinely asked to set a timer or [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► reminder and a spoken way but you're not [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► you know you don't want to go through [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► the hassle of like launching the [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► reminders app and then typing that same [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► English sentence into the interval [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► reminder new reminder field what you can [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► do you can say like you know pick up [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► laundry at 4:00 p.m. tomorrow and the [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► reminder will like set itself to 4:00 [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► p.m. tomorrow in the name of the thing [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► will they pick up laundry but if you [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► spend most of your time interacting with [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► Siri you may not know sort of the syntax [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► that is understandable by reminders and [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► I don't think it's exactly the same [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► syntax that Siri understands so it's [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► nice to be able to essentially type into [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► sort of a wone one-stop shop for all the [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► things that you can make your phone do [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► in a vaguely unattended way and not have [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► to say oh I'm in a place where I can't [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► speak out loud so rather than me trying [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► to whisper to Siri let me just type with [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► my thumbs the thing I know will work [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► with Siri in a nice quiet way because [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► like all sane people you have key clicks [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► turned off but I don't know how people [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► have key clicks on Ryan Jones made in an [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► interesting observation via Twitter he [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► said this is with regard to iOS 11 on [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► the iPhone you can lock an iPhone I [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► still haven't had a chance to play with [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► this I want to see this but anyway he [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► said you can lock an iPhone by pulling [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► down from the top and additionally [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► there's a software shutdown button in [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► settings this is still quoting Ryan very [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► fishy the power button may not be long [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► for this world [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► so Ryan's point is if you can lock your [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► phone rather than with the button on the [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► right hand side on most phones these [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► days but rather by just swiping down [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► from the top and if there's a software [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► shutdown button then what is the purpose [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► of that right-hand button anymore [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► obviously to turn it on but there's no [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► reason you couldn't use one of the other [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► buttons to do that so does that mean the [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► power button is going away in the future [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► and if so what are we going to do about [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► screenshots man I want my screenshots so [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► I have an alternative theory on this one [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► I'm thinking that you know that first of [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► all I really hope they don't get rid of [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► like button you know it it serves a very [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► useful purpose and while they might be [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► able to come out with software [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► workarounds I I like having that [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► physical button there to control that [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► very very useful function of sleeping [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► and waking the phone and if they get rid [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► of it I assume they'll have some kind of [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► like other way to sleep it or automatic [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► I don't know anyway [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► you know there's also like different [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► recovery things that this enables but [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► the biggest thing that I think this [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► might not be a big deal is maybe that [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► button is that is being added to [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► settings not because they're getting rid [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► of the power button but because they've [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► learned that a lot of people don't know [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► how to turn their phones off like the [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► way you turn your front of us to hold [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► this button down for a while how many [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► people know that I bet a lot of people [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► actually don't I wish fewer people know [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► knew it I'm having just taken a couple [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► plane flights and seeing people on a [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► plane both seated next to me and other [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► seats because you know see them walking [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► up down the aisle so to the bathroom or [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► peeking through the edge of the seats [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► when I see people who own iOS devices [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► who turn them off like off off shut down [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► completely when they're done using them [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► and then boot them back up when they [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► want to use them again multiple times [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► during the flight I want to pull just [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► just don't just don't do it just hit [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► like hit the power button or whatever [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► just put it back in your bag and when [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► you take it out later just hit any kind [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► of button on and it will come back on [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► instantly pick up where you left off and [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► it will be fine but people want some [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► people want to turn them off and you [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► know how long they take the boot it's [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► not a fast boot process it's that I [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► don't know maddening so I don't think [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► the I think you're right Marco the most [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► people don't know how to turn off their [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► phone I don't think people should you [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► know how to turn it like it's not it's [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► not a thing that they should be doing [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► routinely obviously if there's some kind [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► of troubleshooting you need to reboot it [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► or whatever look it up online or you [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► know you can figure it out or ask [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► somebody or worst case go to the Apple [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► store and they will show you but it [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► should not be routine part of [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► everybody's day so I don't want a way [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► for people to better know how to shut [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► down their phone that's not that that's [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► not a good idea right and additionally [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► Ryan noted that in iOS 11 there's a [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► setting to quote [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► offload endquote unused apps so there's [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► a screenshot offload unused apps and [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► then there's a on/off switch this will [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► automatically remove on use apps but [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► keep its documents and data reinstalling [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► the Apple place back that's an odd [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► phrasing reinstalling the Apple place [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► back your data if the app is still [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► available in the App Store which is very [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► interesting because a lot of us I'm sure [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► I'm included in that as well have a [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► whole bunch of ancient apps on our [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► phones that we think will need one day [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► but probably never will so in settings [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► and iTunes and App Store's in iOS 11 in [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► the beta there's offload unused apps [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► which is kind of cool and kind of [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► interesting there this is an interesting [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► problem that I think maybe Apple's [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► trying to solve like Gruber's been [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► blogging a little bit about this [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► recently about how like the size of apps [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► just the sheer size of apps is just [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► tremendous in the last couple of years [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► so many very common popular apps are [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► like well over a hundred Meg's and [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► that's and you know it's full of like [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► bloat from frameworks and various assets [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► and everything and Apple has tried to do [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► various things to reduce this you know [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► the the app thinning group of [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► initiatives and and various technologies [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► and things like that but ultimately if [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► you think about like how much collective [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► bandwidth and battery power are being [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► used by the App Store diligently auto [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► updating apps that people are not [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► actually using ever on their phones like [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► that it there's you can definitely a [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► good argument for why not only should [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► this feature exist but it might even [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► maybe it should even be defaulted to on [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► because there's just a tremendous amount [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► of data and battery being wasted to [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► update like 50 hundred mega apps that on [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► people's phones that are buried in some [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► folder somewhere they're never actually [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► using so it is an interesting problem I [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► do think it is wise for Apple to start [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► tackling this somehow but we'll have to [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► see I guess the implementation details [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► of how this is actually done just to [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► know whether this is the right solution [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► or not I don't think this should be on [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► by default because the idea that your [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► phone like rots [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► like the like a couple couple screens [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► away the app that you only use once in a [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► blue moon then the one time you want to [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► use it it's like oh I don't have this [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► app I have to redownload it and you have [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► to wait for it and you're on a bad [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► connection or it's a large app or [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► something like that [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► this direct me is a good idea I think a [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► a nice copy and here's the thing that [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► someone someone's phone like fills up [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► and they go to the Apple Store like hey [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► my my phone is filled up man which I bet [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► is I bet as a Genius Bar thing they get [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► a lot help me what do I do [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► how do I make more space beyond my phone [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► aside from buying a new one and it's [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► like well there any apps you're not [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► using let's sort them by size let's go [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► to the usage screen in settings and see [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► what's using most of your space and all [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► those things that I'm sure the Genius [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► Bar people do all the time one possible [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► solution I found reasonably nice that is [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► not the same as this preference city [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► that you manually turn on or is on by [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► default it slowly rots out the [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► applications that you don't use and just [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► deletes them out from under you makes [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► them like these little booby traps that [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► cause big downloads when you tap on them [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► is to do what slack does and say every [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► once in a while and I know this sounds [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► like nagging and Skype does this type of [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► thing all the time but I found it not to [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► be particularly annoying it says not a [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► fairly infrequent schedule hey I've [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► noticed these three apps that are this [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► big you haven't used them in six months [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► do you want to delete them and you'd say [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► no and you can say don't bother me about [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► this again or you can say yes and that [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► seems like do that like once a month [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► right and have that be a preference but [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► have it on by default or something I bet [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► people would go oh yeah I forgot I [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► installed that game delete or they'll [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► say you know as long as you have the [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► button that says no and never asked me [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► about this again it will never ask you [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► about that app again you know it's like [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► those four tons of stuff hey these [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► channels haven't had anyone talk to them [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► in a while do you want to keep them or [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► do you not want to keep them you know [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► like maybe this lack frequency is a [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► little bit more frequent I don't know [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► what their frequency is but I find that [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► a very useful you know if I was a [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► marketing person I would say it's an [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► intelligent assistant it uses machine [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► there but bottom line is it presents [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► options in an understandable way uh [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► without introducing any new mechanics [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► and in gaming parlance like the [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► mechanics are still you have apps you [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► know you can delete them right you have [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► you good [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► you can delete them every once in a [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► while the thing will ask you you have [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► useless do you want me to delete it as [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► opposed to let me introduce the concept [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► of offloading to you and now do you want [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► me to do that automatically in a way you [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► have no awareness of yes or no so that I [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► mean we'll say well I'll try it I will [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► probably turn on to because I have tons [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► of apps that I don't use that frequently [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► but I well maybe I won't turn on because [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► I don't want to like offload my [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► downloaded for the 24 hours they were up [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► illegal NES emulator apps that I've had [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► my phone for I don't want it to delete [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► that something and in typical Apple [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► fashion it's not as if I'll be able to [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► exclude those or anything so I guess I [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► probably won't turn this on yeah I mean [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► I think it makes a lot of sense for [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► people of which there are many who are [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► really short on space on their phone [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► pretty much all the time and this is you [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► know largely because Apple has for so [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► long sold phones with really small [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► storage sizes as the base model and I [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► think that's that's less of a problem [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► with the recent phones but there's still [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► a lot of those out there a lot of those [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► like 16 gig phones are still being used [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► and and so there's this is a big problem [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► for lots of people or people who for any [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► size phone their story just full of like [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► photos and videos and stuff and they [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► don't want to or can't pay for [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► additional iCloud storage and everything [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► so like like they need the space and so [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► you know I think I would venture that [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► venture gets that space management is a [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► really big very common problem for iOS [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► device owners so anything to reduce [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► space is a good thing especially in this [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► age where pretty much any app you [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► download is gonna be like 90 Meg's all [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► we have some observations from front of [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► the shows detron smith ipad multitasking [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► spaces persist after you reboot so they [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► can be permanent [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► which just heightens my desire to be [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► able to pin favorites [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► so apparently spaces are a thing and [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► there are persistent things so that you [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► can kind of set up your different you [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► know multitasking pains and whatnot for [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► different tasks and just swipe between [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► them as necessary not unlike what you [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► would do on the Mac yeah pinning [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► favorites like you know the fact that it [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► keeps track of what you did hey you put [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► messages on one side and like your text [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► editor on the other and you put slack on [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► one side and a web browser [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► the other and like it keeps those as [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► little spaces and it keeps them together [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► and it's good that it keeps track of [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► them if it really does because people [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► will like as I've said a million times [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► people want to arrange their working [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► environment in the way that suits them [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► but they will they will give up doing it [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► if they spend any amount of time [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► arranging and then that arrangement is [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► forgotten I've always you know you [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► springboard is the my modern example to [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► get people to understand spatial [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► interfaces if you picked up your phone [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► and all of a sudden all your icons in [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► springboard were randomly arranged and [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► everything was out of your folders and [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► all scrambled over hey you'd be pissed [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► and be up to three times you would stop [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► rearranging stuff in springboard you'd [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► be like why bother why do I bother [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► carefully making these screens because [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► next time I pick up my phone chances are [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► good that everything will just be [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► randomly shuffled right that's that's [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► how the finder is to me these days but [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► yet to get people to understand like why [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► do you care why do you care about your [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► screens you hear all these podcasts you [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► know cortex talks about it all the time [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► I think they talked about hello internet [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► we've talked about in here talked about [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► it on connected upgrade is there a tech [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► show that hasn't talked about hey how do [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► you arrange your homescreen the fact [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► that that is a discussion topic at all [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► is because you can arrange your home [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► screen you can arrange springboard and [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► you put things in a place and they stay [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► there and that's why it is the thing at [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► all so with with spaces having them [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► persist is great because that will let [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► people start to get kind of an [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► arrangement and being able to pin [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► favorites to say like I guess it sorts [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► them in like most recently used order or [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► something I don't know I haven't tried [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► it but I'm assuming it's some kind of [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► automatic order that says all right well [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► when you go back to that switcher the [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► last two or three spaces you used will [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► you know will be in the first two or [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► three positions someone so forth if you [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► could pin a small set of things to say [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► no matter what I do with my iPad these [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► spaces are always in this position that [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► would also I think help people's [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► workflows because they have kind of a [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► way of working and a set of applications [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► that they group together and they're [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► going to do other stuff they're going to [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► jump off does some other weird [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► application go over here over there but [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► when they come back to the switcher to [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► be able to know when you invoke the [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► switcher just just stab in this vision [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► and it will always be your Safari [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► messages space or whatever this is you [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► know this is a tiny miniature version of [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► window arrangement on personal computers [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► but as we've seen the personal computers [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► just too many damn windows mostly [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► they don't even though these spaces like [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► hazy does I rarely see people who aren't [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► pretty darn computer nerdy develop any [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► kind of system with spaces just because [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► it's so it's so difficult to do the same [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► thing to try to with an iPad to pin them [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► to say this space should be here and it [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► should be fullscreen and should have [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► this there that shut these three windows [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► in and it should never change if you if [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► you can do that on the iPad if you make [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► more people be able to do that on the [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► iPad people who will be a lot happier [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► people who could not accomplish the same [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► task on a Mac more from Steve Stratton [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► Smith iOS 11 let's document pay based [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► apps pretty much present the filesystem [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► as their launch UI replacing all the [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► galleries or grid views that everyone [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► writes so this is kind of cool that you [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► can just use basically a file browser as [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► the thing you land on when you launch an [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► app and so that makes a lot of your [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► redundant code that all these different [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► companies and people have written just [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► go away which is really exciting and [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► this is more embracing of the iPad [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► having a file system I put this in here [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► because I just immediately upon reading [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► this tweet imagined the very first [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► application that tries to ship and do [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► this the App Store rejects it says sorry [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► you can't show the file picker does not [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► totally sound like an app store type [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► thing I mean he means technically [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► speaking yes now there's like a canned [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► Apple view that shows you the file [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► system and a lot of applications that [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► make sense where it on Mac apps do it [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► where you you've launched office apps do [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► it and maybe in pages you launch and you [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► get an open save dialog or you get well [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► I guess someone do all those custom [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► galleries like choose from these [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► templates and make a new go document or [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► whatever but in many types of [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► applications that is a natural way to do [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► it and I think most of the best iOS [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► applications still we want to write [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► their own like procreate or whatever or [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► like Lamia however you pronounce the [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► name of the icon factory app they all [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► have kind of a view where it shows you [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► here's all your stuff and especially if [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► it's an image editing application to [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► show you little thumbnails and stuff [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► rather than showing you just a bunch of [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► file icons but if you really do have an [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► application that mostly deals with just [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► files that are not graphics files it [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► might make sense to launch into the [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► Apple provided picker at least maybe in [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► version one of your app before you until [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► you make the fancy version that shows [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► you a preview like the Google [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► zap shows you it's just a bunch of text [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► documents but it shows you a little [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► previews of them which is actually [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► surprisingly useful later I'm why I'm [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► watching this to see the first person [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► brave enough to ship an app like that to [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► see if they every Jake it's not going to [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► be a problem Apple like that they're [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► holding DC sessions about doing this [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► like they want people to do this it's [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► gonna be fine we'll see famous last [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► words [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► now if it's an NES emulator you have a [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► problem or do you remember way back when [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► when they were tethering apps like I [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► think I had yeah I Heather or something [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► like that and and I kept that because it [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► was on it was on the App Store for like [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► a week and it was basically like you [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► needed a a component on your Mac and you [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► needed the app on your phone and I kept [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► that thing on my phone for years because [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► I had the ATT unlimited plan and one of [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► the ways they tried to shimmy you off of [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► that plan was by never ever ever as far [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► as I knew anyway never allowing you to [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► tether so I had this like tether or I [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► tether or something like that that I [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► would use to be able to tether from time [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► to time and I remember I like had a [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► saved version of the Installer somewhere [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► on my hard drive so just in case the [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► Installer went away I would still have [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► it I had the app that I liked cherished [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► more I probably had a backup backup of [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► the IPA somewhere just to be safe I mean [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► I'd oh my god I remember that those were [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► the days and then there would be other [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► apps like a flashlight app that would L [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► by the way have a Sox server on it yeah [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► if you you know triple tap in the upper [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► 1/3 of the screen while holding your [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► nose and bouncing on one foot you engage [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► a sock server yeah like two hours after [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► that was discovered it was off the store [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► uh moving on the Apple Design Awards the [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► a das they were a thing we which I think [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► we spoke about last time but it used to [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► be that what was at the Monday evening [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► of WDC the first night at WTC they would [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► have an event where the Apple Design [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► Awards would get would be given out and [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► it would be done in front of an audience [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► blah blah blah this this past year they [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► kind of did it quietly but people got to [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► schmooze with some of the execs which is [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► pretty cool well Zach kaan writes and [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► says it's worth noting that Apple gave [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► out a da's to indie alternatives to mail [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► notes and reminders but still won't let [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► you set any of them as a default which [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► was a pretty observant thing that that [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► Zach had noticed [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► yeah they're rewarding like oh these are [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► well-designed applications they may well [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► be but I always feel for people who try [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► to use the non default applications [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► because in each one of them there's some [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► aspect of it that is less privileged [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► than the Apple one like for mail [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► applications it's you know could be as [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► simple as like when I click on mail to [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► link my tab of mail to link on my phone [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► which application launches or when I [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► tell Siri remind me to bla bla bla where [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► does it put that reminder you know I [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► mean like and they're so close it's not [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► I don't even understand why Apple [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► clearly wants to encourage notes and [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► mail reminder applications like they're [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► a staple of the non game section of the [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► App Store Apple is not like you know [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► growling at them and saying why are [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► those people trying to compete with our [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► built-in applications they want to [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► encourage in here they are 88 winners [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► these are great examples of applications [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► that Apple apparently wants to encourage [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► let people use them as their default [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► right for all these in calendar notes [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► reminders mail they're so close and the [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► limitations are less than they used to [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► be it used to be much harder to use [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► alternate applications but like why not [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► go all away I'm every year we wait for [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► this some years there's more to look [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► forward to than others who don't talk [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► about it but because I don't think we [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► mentioned this year but I'm always [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► thinking about it hey when will I be [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► able to use alternate applications even [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► on the Mac back in the classic Mac OS [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► days there was an entire control panel [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► for you to set up this is the [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► application I want to use for mail this [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► is the one I want to use for instant [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► message or so on and so forth but that [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► kind of is still in Mac OS if you know [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► where to mess with things but it's not [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► prominent like some of the things are [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► hidden like you go to the Safari [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► preferences to pick your default browser [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► and chrome will constantly try to change [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► your default browser it's all weird you [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► wise to the same underlying data store [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► but it's clearly not as prominent as it [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► used to be at least power users can [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► figure it out on iOS a lot of times it's [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► just not possible I suppose unless you [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► jailbreak which is frustrating [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► especially we already talked about this [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► with you know Siri and the increased [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► number of intense it would be great they [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► made intense for all the things that you [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► can do with Siri for mail notes [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► reminders if those things don't already [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► exist I suppose they don't but certainly [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► you can't tell I mean Google's [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► applications do it when you know when [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► you'll tap a link in the Gmail app it [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► will throw a thing in your face it says [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► hey do you want to open this link in [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► Chrome [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► in tint tint or Safari and there's a [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► little a little switch that says ask me [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► about this every time so I always just [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► hit Safari and hit the don't ask me [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► about this every time and then and be [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► done with it but public Apple can [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► implement as well and it's not not [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► rocket science so again maybe in a [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► couple years yeah and actually for the [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► record I'm pretty sure they did add [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► there they are adding it for notes and I [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► was living that's one of the two things [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► that they added I think but if I get [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► that wrong I'm sorry I'm still buried in [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► WC stuff because I learned that I have [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► to rewrite my entire audio engine you [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► mean we what the what he called the the [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► tent you mean isn't and I was loving not [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► that you can get your default [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► application yeah yeah yeah no yeah the [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► change in the defaults I can't imagine [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► that this will see I don't know that's [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► one of those things where you know every [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► every WDC that comes around we we get a [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► whole bunch of stuff that is you know no [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► big surprise and there's usually a [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► couple of things that we always say wow [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► we never thought Apple would do that and [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► so we we've been for years saying we're [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► pretty sure apples never gonna allow you [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► to change the default app for these [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► kinds of things but if one of these you [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► it could be one of those things you know [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► they could just do it and then we'd be [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► like oh look at that cool and we move on [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► you know the same thing with like [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► deleting the built-in apps like we never [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► thought they would do that either and [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► there's you know a little asterisk and [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► how they kind of sort of offer it now [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► what you start really deleting it and [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► things like that but like you know they [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► did it and they put the effort into that [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► to make that happen and so like you know [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► as as iOS gets more and more mature many [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► of the arguments against them offering [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► defaults like for instance one of the [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► arguments used to be like well things [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► like male there are places all over the [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► US where they have like built-in male [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► compose sheets and yeah that's true but [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► then they made extensions and they made [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► Siri intense and things like that which [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► kind of break down these barriers and [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► let anything plug in and kind of do [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► similar things so you know the the idea [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► of having custom integrations with [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► certain things like those are actually [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► slowly being removed in favor of things [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► like extensions and intents and and so [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► it would not surprise me if they decided [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► to actually let you change things like [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► your default mail app and your default [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► browser at some point in the future [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► still wouldn't say it's likely but the [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► the I think the technical foundation is [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► now there that they could do it if they [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► wanted to without massive weird side [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► effects I still don't think they will [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► but again with Apple you never really [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► know what you know you never say they'll [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► never do something well they're so close [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► now like you said with the extensions [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► and in each individual application just [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► take web browsers are no mail [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► applications for example is all they [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► would need to do for mail chain make a [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► preference in Safari that controls where [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► mail to links go to is that it like [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► what's left because you know there's [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► there's the extensions for like ad this [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► is a bookmark or I mean I suppose they [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► also have like tapping links in Safari [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► search and Siri search results or [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► something you know what I mean or do you [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► want me to open this web page and stuff [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► like that I don't know it's probably [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► we've throughout the system in more [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► places than I think but it always seems [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► like they're so close that like there's [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► no what what are they holding back for [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► now because extensions really did blow [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► it wild wide open and now almost all the [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► things that you would previously done [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► with a single default application now [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► you can pick from a list and you can [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► rearrange a list which by the way I [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► really help you rearranging of that list [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► sticks better or I hope these spaces [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► stick better than the rearranging a list [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► because I've always had problems with [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► that oh yeah but yeah it seems simple I [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► don't know what the holdup is other than [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► just you know not a big priority and [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► it's like one of those sort of small [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► things most people don't care about [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► they'll get to eventually we are [TS]

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00:28:17 ◼   ► right speaking of photos a moment to go [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► let's talk about what is he for hafe I [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► always get it wrong the Apple people [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► have been seeing Heath Heath okay [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► alright so somebody in the show notes [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► I'm assuming John says that Heath is [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► good he is good he fizz like those are [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► my favorite sessions the the hefei TVC [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► sessions if you want to take a look at [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► some sessions technology stuff at WABC I [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► think these are some of the best ones [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► for a bunch of reasons so the first is [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► that he fizz good it is better than JPEG [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► it's better than ping it's better than [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► all the existing formats in terms in the [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► in terms of the things that Apple cares [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► about and that you should care about - [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► image size flexibility of the format [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► it's kind of it kind of reminds me of [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► like the various I'm gonna call them [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► pirate formats but like the mikoshi or [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► whatever MKV container thing like where [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► they just say here is a really super [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► generic container that can you know that [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► is flexible and straightforward and fits [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► a whole bunch of stuff in it and look at [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► all these things that it can do and we [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► don't pin it down with these arbitrary [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► limitations that you know make sense at [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► the time and one of the examples in the [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► thing was like whatever the maximum size [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► of a JPEG is I forget what it is but I'm [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► sure it seemed ridiculous [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► when JPEG was created and whatever [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► nineteen eighty or ninety something or [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► and yet here we are today and it's like [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► actually it's an actual limitation that [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► is problematic for JPEGs one of the [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► demos they had or not to spoil too much [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► one of the demos that of Heath was of a [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► panorama they zoomed in on and they just [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► kept zooming and zooming and zooming and [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► it was ridiculously large panoramas and [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► it was like is this is this some cool [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► new application like Google Earth that [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► just reloads new tiles and you know like [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► totally custom UI no they were just [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► zooming a Heath image which itself [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► internally can use a tile based format [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► and it's resolution can be massive and [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► you literally couldn't do with JPEG like [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► it all was was an image view as far as I [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► could tell but you couldn't do with JPEG [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► cuz JPEG can't support an image that [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► size period right nevermind the [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► efficiency of being able to quickly read [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► and display just the portion that it's [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► on the screen with the whole tiling [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► stuff the pictures are smaller for the [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► same quality or better quality for [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► larger sizes and they can contain lots [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► of different things like it's almost [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► like he was made for live photos I bet [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► it was kind of the reverse but it's a [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► shame the live photos came before he but [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► hey you can store a series of photos [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► photos plus video at the same time but [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► you know smart dips between the frames [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► of the stuff in them is what I was [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► talking about in the end the live show [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► where I was speculating that perhaps [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► that every frame of a live photo stored [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► in a format is of equal quality that's [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► why you can pick among them reportedly [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► that's not the case we got at least one [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► report that if you pick the real photo [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► it is still like you know the still [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► photo is still higher quality than any [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► of the animation frames but maybe [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► animation frames are [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► higher quality than they were I suppose [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► it makes sense that if you had to shave [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► full quality for every single frame [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► you'd take up a lot of of memory because [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► those are actually pretty big maybe you [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► couldn't even dump them off the sense of [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► the fast but even if occurred you [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► probably wouldn't want them to because [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► it's kind of inefficient even with [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► interframe dips but anyway the reason [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► Heath and a GBC are big deals is because [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► aside from just being new formats and [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► better is this is like a foundational [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► technology like they didn't really [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► hammer on it too much but this is going [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► to last if you know if all goes well [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► this is going to last 10 15 20 years [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► it's going to define your experience on [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► iOS and Mac in terms of what are my [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► images what is my video made of how good [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► does it look and how much room does it [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► take it is so fundamental to every [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► single thing that we do especially with [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► cameras being as pervasive as they are [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► today that any kind of change in them is [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► like you don't change it for the hell of [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► it well this year we use them totally [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► different image format next year this [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► different image format no we pick an [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► image format we stick with it for a long [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► time and these formats are just better [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► that just better and this will this will [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► change all of our Computing's lives in [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► like boring ways and will continue to [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► change them for years and years news [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► like I don't I don't think this is like [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► a weird fad thing I really hope it [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► really does catch on and sweep across [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► the entire industry because I'm ready to [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► get rid of those old formats and change [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► to this new one like why why hold on to [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► a format that makes larger files that [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► are worse quality that has less [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► flexibility and is more difficult to [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► deal with so I encourage everyone to [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► look at these sessions I think this is [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► exactly the type of sort of underlying [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► core technology that certainly within [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► the app legal system and hopefully [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► within the ecosystem across the whole [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► industry because I hate it when Apple [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► does something better and no one else [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► copies it and again he Phan h-e-b CR not [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► Apple standards these are ISO standards [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► international standards Apple I don't [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► have apple at any influence at all in [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► making them who knows but either way [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► they're not Apple proprietary so I [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► really want the whole world to move to [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► this every time I think about the whole [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► world moving to it I think back on gif [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► and then I think we could we couldn't [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► even escape gift oh really oh no it [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► changed we're all going to change the [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► heap and a GB see how long did it take [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► to get transparent ping support in all [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► of our browsers I'm old I know but I my [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► fingers across for these standards all [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► let's see what else we've got going on I [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► didn't entirely understand this tweet [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► from not underscore David Smith from [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► from Apple employee David Smith he'd [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► said that 32-bits support is sunset in [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► Mac OS this is a bigger deal than it [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► seems i386 is the last fragile - table C [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► - a bi non Swift supporting architecture [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► I understood bits and pieces of that can [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► one of you translate for me what the [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► crap that actually means says it in the [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► notes right below it so the the fragile [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► Objective C API so the fragile busey API [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► is where well it's the non fragile one [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► is where it escapes the fragile Base [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► Class problem which is basically if [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► they've Apple ships a framework and they [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► have a class and it has like fields name [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► and age in it right and people build [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► applications top of that framework and [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► they ship them and then the next version [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► the operating system Apple wants to add [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► a hair color field to that same class [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► right the fragile base class problem is [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► like oh we can't add hair color field to [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► this class because a bunch of [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► applications are shipped that are [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► compiled against the old version that [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► just has name and age and so the only [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► way we can add a field because of the [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► fragile base class problem is all those [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► people need to recompile their [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► application against the new version of [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► the framework that is new field right [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► and so the app effects ists I think [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► maybe in the upgrade to a 64-bit runtime [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► and it's not a problem now but it is [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► still a problem in the 32-bit [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► objective-c [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► ABI so they didn't bother fixing it [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► there because you know backward [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► compatibility and also because I assume [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► they were moving away from 32-bit [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► eventually and now they are and so this [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► is that problem goes away entirely like [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► then everything that they have certainly [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► Swift and also well supposed eventually [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► they get a stable API but I'm sure I'm [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► assuming they will do the same thing [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► there and all the 64-bit objections II [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► don't have this problem so they're [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► leaving behind a limitation and also [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► 32-bit doesn't support if switch to [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► 64-bit only so that's another reason to [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► digit so yeah 32-bit Mac not long for [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► this world and someone asked me on [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► Twitter recently why do I care as a user [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► whether aside from a bunch of my [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► applications eventually breaking [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► what benefit is that is there to me as a [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► user for Apple ditching 32 bits for I [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► don't care if it's a problem for Apple [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► and I have this fragile a you know base [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► glass problem and I can up update [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► frameworks blah blah who cares I'm not a [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► developer I'm just a user I don't want a [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► bunch of my applications to go away why [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► do I care [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► the main reason especially on phones is [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► once you load a 32-bit application that [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► loads 32-bit libraries those take up [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► memory and it's better to just have the [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► 64-bit ones in memory instead of having [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► do you know you'd have seven 64-bit [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► applications all sharing a single you [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► know shared memory instance of a library [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► and then you launch one 32-bit [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► application it has to bring in the [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► 32-bit version a library just for that [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► application so you know if your phone [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► will use less memory doing the same [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► things in theory and then the other one [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► is just in a simplification if Apple [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► does have to support this old runtime [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► they can you know it it's a simpler [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► operating system to not have to support [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► this old stuff and anytime you can [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► delete code and not include things and [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► just you know it simplifies everything [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► so and presumably that will make your [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► phone more stable and faster and your [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► applications more stable and faster and [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► the idea so the benefit to the user is [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► kind of esoteric and maybe not that [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► particularly visible but this is what we [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► call progress you can't support 32-bit [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► forever [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► more on high sierra the high sierra [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► format is the early logical file system [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► all of them were actually following up [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► on this use the Jogi ROM the joke that [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► John made during the live show joke was [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► a memory yeah the High Sierra being like [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► a cd-rom format name yeah just to say [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► that High Sierra is not a come to words [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► that have been combined just by Apple [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► for the purpose of the operating system [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► that it is in fact a thing not just you [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► know that this this volume format [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► logical file system use for CD ROMs in [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► 1985-1986 right they named it after high [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► sierra like they didn't also make up [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► that term so i'm just defending the high [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► sierra name put a link in the show notes [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► to the wikipedia article on the topic oh [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► that's really old yeah that's this is [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► before the ISO 9660 that's the one that [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► most CD ROMs were right remember the the [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► Mount Rainier packet writing standard [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► that was trying like four did you guys [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► ever get packet writing CDRs to actually [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► like work and not be a problem for [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► something yep I did [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► because I got like I got the super [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► expensive fancy one that I and said [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► would work and it really did you could [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► incrementally add dated cities it was [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► amazing technology that was like the the [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► whole thing in cd-rws [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► to how incredibly slow and unreliable [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► they were like there were so many [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► efforts put into trying to make CD [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► burners behave more like floppy so you [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► could just like write part of one and [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► then add some files to it later and then [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► maybe delete some files which wouldn't [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► actually really delete them but would [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► just like mark that block as deleted and [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► just add some more at the end and there [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► were all these different standards of [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► doing it and they tried to define like [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► industry standards to combine them all [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► and it was always a giant buggy mess and [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► maybe maybe there's one of those things [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► that like you Mac people John liked it [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► maybe it was perfect for you and it was [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► just crap on the PC side but I can tell [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► you one thing it was really crap on the [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► PC side and my first CD burner which was [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► a scuzzy 4 by 2 by 6 yep [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► from Yamaha which wasn't awesome we [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► might have had the same one probably [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► yeah [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► that was like it was so good at [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► everything else but you try to get any [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► of those packet writing things to work [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► and it's just like no other computer [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► could ever read them you were lucky if [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► your computer could read it tomorrow [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► like it's just terrible I was going to [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► say the reason he has problems using [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► crappy IDE cd-rom drives for using [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► scuzzy wants to and you know I was a [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► pretty reputable reputable vendor yeah [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► all of mine were obviously scuzzy and [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► get mine were super expensive top of the [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► line Yamaha things with fancy bank [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► applications I had pretty good luck with [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► it I did it all the time that was my [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► form of backups back before I had enough [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► money to have you know duplicate a hard [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► drive space hard drives are still quite [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► expensive back then no I mean see like [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► having the first CD burners it was [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► awesome like it was amazing to be able [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► to make your own mix CDs but like [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► everything that tried to make it more [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► like a floppy or a hard drive just [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► always sucked it so many problems before [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► we leave this topic I will say one of my [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► favorite pieces of esoteric optical disc [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► technology I ever owned was I had one of [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► the Kenwood Truex cd-rom drives that [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► read at 72 X [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► like by splitting the laser into seven [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► different beams and reading seven tracks [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► in parallel that's different sounds [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► super reliable and I'm sure was very [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► quiet when it's been seven - I know [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► because it because it was I think it was [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► only spinning at like 12 X and that's - [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► it was way better than like the than the [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► the the 52 X CD ROMs of the time that it [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► would sounded like a four-stage jet [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► engine that spin up once a room like a [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► really super loud light was waiting for [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► the dista apart like a wheel that's [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► going to which they occasionally did and [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► I always I was always kind of surprised [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► with the 52 X cd-rom this has that [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► sounded so crazy it was kind of [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► surprising how few discs shattered [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► inside like they actually worked most of [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► the time and they really shouldn't have [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► I was got nervous putting the sticky [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► labels never do that the sticky labels [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► know oh yeah oh yeah you had to put them [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► on perfectly because it's like having an [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► unbalanced tire yeah get in their way [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► but I remember all of that I remember [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► when we had one of our earlier pcs that [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► had an external cd-rom drive that was it [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► had like a little tray or cartridge that [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► you would put the CD in a caddy [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► yes I could be the word I knew wasn't [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► cartridge but I can think of the right [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► we had had a CD caddy I remember that I [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► remember getting the CD burner early on [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► this was high school for me and I [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► remember I was very popular amongst high [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► school kids because I could like make a [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► mix CD just like you said I also [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► remember and Marco you particularly will [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► appreciate this I got into briefly got [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► into trading tapes in the Dave Matthews [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► Band taping community because Dave [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► Matthews fan band as we all agree is a [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► jam band and so I my first couple of [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► trades what I had done was I had said [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► hey send me cassettes of what you've got [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► and since I have nothing to trade I have [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► no concerts of my own I will digitize [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► them put them on CD and send them back [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► to you and that's how I scored my first [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► couple of concerts and these were [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► concerts that I had been at and these [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► concerts were very different from each [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► other because as we said Dave Matthews [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► Band is a jam band anyway we should move [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► on and talk about a PFS a PFS is good as [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► well [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► as it turns out and uh yeah apparently [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► and you know I know John you don't have [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► many words to say about this so Marco [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► would you like to take over [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► yeah sure it's a file system and it's [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► new and it's not HFS+ and so therefore [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► it's good let's move on moving on [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► seriously did we did I talk about all [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► these things on a passion already I [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► don't think you did I'm not a hundred [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► percent sure but I don't think you did I [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► I'm not done I'm Brett in a rare case of [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► me not finishing the previous episode I [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► have like 40 minutes left on last week's [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► episode because we're recording this [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► early slacker ah did I talk about all [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► the surrounding just it's you know it's [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► fine the people love you John if they [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► want they can skip to the next chapter [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► that's what it's there for I will add a [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► caveat I may have talked about all of [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► everything I'm about to say in a past [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► episode if I did I apologize but just [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► pretend I'm like a teacher and telling [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► you things multiple times to make you [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► retain any more [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► so maybe FS AP of s is good I learned [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► some things about it in the AP FS [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► session that I may have talked about [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► last week it will convert your encrypted [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► drive so if you have five volt on you [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► don't have to worry about oh it won't be [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► able to convert by thing because it [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► understands the file vault encryption [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► and it will do all the things it has to [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► do so you won't lose any data and you [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► won't lose any encryption it will [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► convert your fusion drives and when it [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► converts them it will improve your [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► fusion drives because a BFS unlike a [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► char s plus will guarantee that the [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► metadata all stays on the SSD like [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► that's where it writes the new AP FS [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► meta did and it keeps it all there so [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► aside from the fusion drive saying you [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► know moving the actual data like oh the [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► files you access frequently will move to [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► the fat storage and leave the file as [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► you access less frequently on a slow [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► storage yeah that's how fusion drive [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► works AP of s will make sure that all [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► the metadata all the information about [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► the files all the file names their sizes [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► their dates where all the little data [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► blocks are all that will stay on the SSD [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► always put them like things a lot faster [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► because reading metadata is you know [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► involves a lot of seeks and a lot of [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► small reads and it's great to have them [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► on the SSD disk utility the new version [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► of Disk Utility which I don't know if it [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► has a resizable window and resizable [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► columns yet I haven't checked but that [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► would be a great feature [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► anyway it will convert your volumes so [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► you can open Disk Utility and point at [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► any age of s plus disk and say please [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► change this to a BFS it will not [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► currently make them bootable I'm [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► assuming they're going to fix that if [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► you want to make it bootable you have to [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► run the installer the the high sierra [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► installer [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► I could put it again I'm assuming that [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► will be fixed Mobile Time Machine a [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► thing that most people don't know exists [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► but does I think it still only runs on [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► laptops like it if you're on your Mac [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► laptop and you're not connected through [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► a time capsule wirelessly or any other [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► time machine interface like you know is [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► you have time machine on but as far as [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► you could tell like your backup drives [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► are not you're not communicating with [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► your backup drives like say you're on an [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► airplane or something you're editing a [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► document many years ago Apple added a [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► thing but still backs up using time [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► machine to your own disk it's not going [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► to protect you if your hard drive dies [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► because you're backing up your disk to [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► your disk but it supposed to save you [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► like if you're editing something and [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► then a while later you accidentally [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► delete it and you're like oh I want that [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► back I'm on a plane it was my important [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► presentation [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► well mobile Time Machine had been in the [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► background making copies of your stuff [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► to this other location on your disk and [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► you can invoke time machine on an [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► airplane with no Wi-Fi and get back old [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► versions of your documents there are [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► some caveats to that which we'll get to [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► in a second but the AP FS story here is [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► that because abs has constant time [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► snapshots where they can take a [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► consistent snapshot of your disk in a [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► small and fixed amount of time like it [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► doesn't depend on how much has changed [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► since the last time writing like that it [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► is just mark this as a consistent state [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► and and it takes space on your desk [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► obviously and retain that but it can do [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► it very quickly and very efficiently [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► which means the previous implementation [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► of mobile Time Machine which is fairly [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► intense like it was a mounting a virtual [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► file system in the secret corner of your [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► drive and then writing to it as if it [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► was another volume but it's not like it [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► was really weird involving hidden [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► directories and fakery making it look [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► like you have a second volume inside [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► your first volume and it would have to [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► like crawl over all your files and find [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► the ones that have changed and make [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► copies of them to this virtual file [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► system very very slow whereas the AP FS [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► 1 is just snapshot as literal they're a [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► couple seconds doesn't matter how much [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► stuff you've done since last time you [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► did that the snapshot itself it takes [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► constant time you can do it yourself [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► with a command line TM you till the time [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► machine your command line utility which [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► is useful by the way on any Mac if [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► you've never [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► just type man TM util to see all these [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► everything's you can delete old backups [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► and mess with your backups and you know [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► screw yourself if you're not careful but [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► anyway it's it's a neat utility new [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► command TM util space snapshot will take [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► a snapshot you can if you have high CR [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► betta run it now you'll be amazed at how [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► quickly it runs the thing that bothers [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► me about mobile time machine and I can [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► understand why apples doing this but [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► it's still a little bit of a bother is [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► it runs hourly and so for you like [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► working on a presentation and you hose [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► it in some way you want the backup you [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► can get the one from an hour ago but if [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► you just created this thing within the [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► current hour there are no backups of it [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► it's like oh how are that's not good [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► wine shake you know I wish I wish I had [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► backups every 5 minutes or 10 minutes [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► well remember all these snapshots take [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► up space because it basically says [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► everything that's on your disk right now [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► save it and so if you delete a bunch of [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► files they're still taking up space in [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► the snapshot right so I understand why [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► they don't want to do like a snapshot [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► every five minutes cuz you fill your [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► disk with snapshots even if they trim [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► them off the end so hourly is probably a [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► reasonable compromise but you know the I [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► mentioned TM you tell snapshot is like [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► well if you're paranoid you can set up a [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► cron job that runs TM util snapshot [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► every five minutes while you're on the [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► flight and you'll be saved that pain [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► just remember to turn off later that was [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► going to fill your disk but the [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► important thing is those snapshots [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► happen really really quickly and it's [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► got to be way more reliable and [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► efficient than all the weird stuff that [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► was going on before so this is a nice [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► upgrade for mobile time machine we [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► mentioned a couple shows ago hey when [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► will Apple release the version of Mac OS [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► that uses a us to make Time Machine [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► better this isn't that because it's only [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► for local backups but I assume in a [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► future version of the Mac operating [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► system assuming Apple continues along [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► this road that I guess you called remote [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► time machine you know actual Time [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► Machine backups to a different volume [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► hopefully on a different disk will use [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► the the smarts of a PFS to do something [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► intelligent I think they might be using [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► it now to just take the snapshot and [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► read from that snapshot to send to the [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► remote disk but it's not quite the same [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► thing as you can imagine like some more [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► deltas over oh it's changed I'm not [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► quite sure what they can do they can't [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► do the same thing to ZFS where you get [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► like block gifts and stuff like that [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► what's really cool but letting go is EFS [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► they want with a PFS so we got what we [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► got but anyway I feel like they can make [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► strides there as well we are sponsored [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► this week by hover go to hover comm [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► slash transfer my domain to get a 40% [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► discount right now on transferring and [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► domains into hover now how happy are you [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► with your domain name registrar chances [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► are I've been with a lot of domain name [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► registrars before and I cannot tell you [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► I was very happy with pretty much any of [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► them and I've been happy at hover I've [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► been using them for a few years now long [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► long time actually and and I really am [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► very happy there and I don't you know [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► what when I transfer stuff into hover I [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► never transfer it out because hover the [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► the customer service is so much better [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► the interface is so much better what you [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► get for free is amazing you have free [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► who is privacy [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► no additional charge for that you have [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► lots of wonderful mail services that are [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► either free or very low cost you get [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► best-in-class support you can call them [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► on the phone if you want to if you have [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► any problems they can walk through [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► transfers for you [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► they have a valley transfer service they [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► will actually if you want to give them [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► your login to your old domain name [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► registrar they will actually transfer [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► for you if you want it is really an [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► incredible company they have great [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► service great support a great interface [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► for managing all your domain names and [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► great prices and so much stuff comes [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► built in for free like that who is [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► privacy feature nobody should ever [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► charge extra for that and hover doesn't [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► what they're doing now they want [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► everyone to see how great hover is so [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► they're running this promotion during [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► the month of June so you got to kind of [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► hurry up but during the month of June if [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► you go to hover comm slash transfer my [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► domain they will import if you if you [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► transfer to them you will get a 40% [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► discount on the depreciation fees and so [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► this is this gives you the 40% off the [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► additional year cost so when you [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► transfer domain you don't lose whatever [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► time you have already registered that [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► just gets added on to so you can [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► actually get a 40% discount on the next [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► year registration fee by transferring to [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► hover during the month of June so hurry [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► up transfer to hover today at to hover [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► comm slash transfer my domain if you [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► have any other time left don't worry [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► about it it will add on to your [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► registration at 40% off the regular [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► price this is a great deal I had this [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► just to check out Hut for today hover [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► comm slash transfer my domain join hover [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► today and see what [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► fuss is about thank you so much to hover [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► for sponsoring our show can we please do [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► a topic let's know we have two three [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► pages of follow-up left to do this is [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► this feels like we need to declare like [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► a follow up barrier and just like they [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► can go through we can go through them [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► quickly oh okay [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► start Oh challenge accepted start the [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► clock all right here we go [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► you two ready buckle up Matt bid all [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► frights iMac pros price comparisons PC [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► gamer had a handbill PC from parts image [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► that matches the iMac pro and spec it [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► cost four thousand six hundred eighty [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► six dollars versus Apple's 4999 Billy [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► flattery Wright's iMac model price [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► comparisons just notice you can't just [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► read the follow-up items that's not how [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► you go through quickly you have to have [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► to have commentary from everybody to [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► each item we just have abbreviated [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► commentary ya back opening price is fine [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► bill clarity go ahead bill you have to [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► happen Marco we try it's not just a race [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► to evening this is what you guys so far [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► this is the show so you think this [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► reading quickly is how you get through [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► it quickly how you get through it [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► quickly is by not having extended [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► conversations by saying one or two [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► though how we get through it quickly is [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► by not breathing when I'm reading at all [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► that's how we get through quickly I'm [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► going to I'm going to build some gills [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► and give them to myself that's how I [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► will show you if you'd like me to do the [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► next one I can do anyway I'm with roll [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► price comparison the thing I want to [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► point out here is anytime there's price [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► comparisons from one computer you know [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► the iMac Pro versus some PC that you [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► build it like hey if you match the the [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► specs of the iMac Pro you end up with a [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► pretty expensive PC to the obvious [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► little asterisks that's on all these [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► stories is no sane person would build a [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► PC like the iMac Pro because most people [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► who need likes a really big GPU for [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► gaming honking up at a Xeon and they're [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► not going to have a cc ram and they're [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► not going to have this really expensive [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► 5k display so even though this price [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► comparison is right nobody know no PC [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► builder would build a PC like the iMac [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► Pro for most of the things that people [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► build pcs for because they would Taylor [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► build [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► it wouldn't be the most expensive best [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► everything you can put in the computer [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► they would decide I care about you I [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► care about ECC I care about the CPU do I [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► care about the 5k screen and it would [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► end up with less expensive machine [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► that's all I wanted to say that [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► so Billy Flaherty's he points out that [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► between the mid and high end IMAX not [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► the iMac Pro with IMAX with the same [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► configuration have the same price but [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► the high end has the better video is he [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► missing something and there's a [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► screenshot we will put his tweet in the [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► show notes yeah I mean look when you [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► play with a configurator sometimes [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► things don't make sense [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► oh well apples you know not always [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► perfect and we aren't always perfect [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► let's move on well that means the advice [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► here is if you're configuring a Mac try [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► config you know you click on one of them [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► in like pick three or whatever try the [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► other one too and try to match the specs [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► it's worth doing once or twice just to [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► make sure the prices aren't out of whack [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► bingo John you had volunteered to cover [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► this next piece oh it's because you [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► can't pronounce this victors last name [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► absolutely guess what [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► Victor wrote in to tell us that whole [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► kit protocol thank you now opened all [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► devs you can build a smart device using [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► Heidi Pratt said Arduino Arduino yeah I [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► believe that's right yeah and control it [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► buy a home kit without getting an MFI [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► license so this seems like oh great [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► Apple has opened up home kit and now you [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► don't have to go through all this owner [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► of stuff to get home kit certified but [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► this is twist right so this is for [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► interoperability people can build things [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► that are compatible with home kit and [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► you don't have to be an MFI made for [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► iPhone is that still what it stands for [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► is this made for iPod I don't know it [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► should be for made for iOS anyway you [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► don't have to get that license and this [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► is Apple's explanation say at a user [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► level differences will include the [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► process for onboarding and IP based [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► success rate to the network and a [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► warning dialog in iOS that the user must [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► acknowledge before continuing so yeah [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► you don't have to be certified as part [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► of the program and you can interoperate [TS]