Roderick on the Line

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00:00:19 ◼   ► hello hi John I'm herbals how's it going [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► good do I detect in your voice at own [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► world weariness now yes I stayed up a [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► little too late watching TV but I'm good [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► mm-hmm were you watching Indiana Jones [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► and the Last Crusade no but I like that [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► one were you know oh no no I like it [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► better in the second one there's [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► everything is better than the second one [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► well and then there's the other 'mo we [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► don't talk about there's a third one [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► that's even worse hmm it's kind of a [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► Godfather 3 type situation is it let's [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► say you had to watch that or matrix 3 [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► for all eternity ah you know I've never [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► seen then the other two Matrix movies [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► and it seems like there is a strong [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► consensus that they are not very good [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► and then there's a die-hard group that [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► thinks one of them is really pretty good [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► oh really [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► yeah how do you saying I haven't I [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► haven't seen the other two Matrix movies [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► either hmm you know it's in that [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► category of like why listen to another [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► my bloody valentine records no I know I [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► know yeah yeah it's it's frustrating [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► sometimes [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► I mean matrix is good but it but yeah I [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► was a little bit old yeah a little bit [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► old for it did I ever ever tell you the [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► story of how I saw the matrix this is [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► about 1998 1998 that's right um I was uh [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► I was walking down the street in Seattle [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► just Boop b'doop b'doop n' come on in 98 [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► or 99 um it might have been mainly in [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► theaters in 99 but I think officially [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► let me look I think oh you know what 99 [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► I stand corrected [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► look at those 99 yep no you know what [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► that's right that's right much 31st 1980 [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► no March 31st see there it is [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► and I had just learned that the western [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► state hurricanes were breaking up [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► because we'd gotten back from our South [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► by Southwest trip and I'd written a [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► bunch of new songs and I was really [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► excited and we we met for our first band [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► practice after we got back from the tour [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► you know we got back and we we relaxed [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► and didn't you know didn't get together [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► for a week or two a couple of weeks and [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► then it's like let's get back together [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► band practice and we all show up and [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► we've got some shows booked including [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► our first-ever headlining of the show [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► box a really big deal and Seattle Wow [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► and we're in the practice base and we [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► get in there and we and I'm like oh my [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► god you guys I've got like four new [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► songs this is gonna be amazing and the [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► drummer and bass player have been [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► meeting in secret and they say and I [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► said let me let me put this all in my [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► head because I honestly think that we [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► put our shit on and practiced we played [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► and then took a break and during the [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► break they said we're quitting the band [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► well like it was a lead a little bit [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► yeah it wasn't even you know they didn't [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► like call and leave a voicemail or [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► something it was just like and I said [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► what are we doing why are we why did you [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► put Y did we just practice for an hour [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► and a half and they're like oh well do [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► you know who knows why they who knows [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► why they were like they were but it [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► turned out that they didn't because [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► we've gone on this week-long tour [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► ten-day tour they they decided they [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► didn't like touring and being in a band [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► because they didn't have their own [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► pillow every night and they had a job [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► their jobs lined up the drummer was [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► going to be a copywriter for like a [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► sports equipment company and the bass [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► player was going to go work at Microsoft [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► or something [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► and I was pretty mad but exceptionally [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► sad because I had I'd this was this I [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► had staked my hopes on this you guys had [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► a bullet you were gone places that's [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► right when they brought it to you their [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► reluctance to bring it up before [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► practice was not indicative I they felt [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► strongly about this this was not [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► something you could negotiate or talk [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► them out of no they were pretty smug [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► dudes and thought that they had it all [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► figured out I mean they always acted [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► like they had it all figured out but [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► they had it all figured out here too [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► they just you know this has been a [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► factor a lot lately for me where you [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► feel like your reality and someone [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► else's reality just aren't sharing the [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► same parameters yeah like you the two [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► realities don't have a hard time [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► coexisting and of course they do there [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► they are able to co-exist there here in [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► the world at the same time together it's [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► June for me and it's June for you but in [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► there cosmology somehow this breaking up [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► the band didn't preclude continuing to [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► practice mm-hmm and I think I think it [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► was because you know we did have a show [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► coming up and I say that makes sense [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► well except for the exhibit to me like [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► the show coming up is the whole point of [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► the show coming up is that it continue [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► our career in the job of playing shows [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► like the show itself isn't isn't that [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► you know like it's not that we throw [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► ourselves on the sword and make a [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► sacrifice in order to play this show for [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► itself there's only one reason to play [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► the show and that is to continue to play [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► shows although we did end up playing our [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► final show but I didn't want it suffice [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► to say after they said we're breaking up [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► the band I didn't want to go back in and [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► practice more Sundays just call it that [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► yeah but this whole like why is your [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► reality so far from mine [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► a thing is really well it's really a [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► moment where you have to break down your [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► reality and say where am I missing the [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► peace cuz there you know I can't just be [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► them right there's got a beauty to this [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► to have to be still can't figure that [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► one out that makes you wonder if if [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► maybe we mostly got lucky for a long [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► time and seeming to have the same [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► reality and that the Venn diagram just [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► happened to be like sailing over the [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► same little area of the pool for a long [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► time you know I mean maybe I wonder like [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► I wonder if it's always been this way [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► and I just never realized it yeah right [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► well and what an end and it makes you [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► wonder like how is it that I seem to be [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► successfully sharing a single reality [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► with a lot of people is that also untrue [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► am i it is it is it just that I'm in [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► most cases I haven't stumbled into the [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► way and stumbled into the little little [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► hole in the ground where all of a sudden [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► the vast difference between our [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► realities is revealed [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► if only there you see the same green- [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► thumbnail if only there was some kind of [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► a movie that you could have gone to [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► around that time that would help clarify [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► the idea that maybe reality isn't what [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► it seems so I'm walking down the street [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► in downtown Seattle I have no idea why [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► I'm downtown and I'm just like bummed [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► I'd had an opportunity to go to South [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► Africa that spring with the University [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► of Washington compared to the history of [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► ideas class and we were going to study [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► the Truth and Reconciliation committee [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► and my advisor Jim Klaus had said I [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► don't want I don't want you down there [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► as a as a student I want you to watch [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► the students and then write a book about [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► what happens like it was very thrilling [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► it felt like a super secret spy mission [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► to go do some world historical college [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► work and if I'd done it I would be very [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► ecology right now probably and I went to [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► banned and I said I have this [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► opportunity to go down there and they [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► said I swear to you this was in October [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► or November of the following year they [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► were like you can't leave dude the band [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► is blowing up you can't just go for go [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► to South Africa and expect to come back [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► and the band will still be here wait how [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► are you how long before the breakup was [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► this well we broke up in March and they [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► were saying this to me in October [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► November and so I looked at my life at [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► that moment that crossroads where I was [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► like if I go left I'm going to South [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► Africa to write a book about the Truth [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► and Reconciliation committee that seems [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► really heavy and cool unlike what I've [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► been what I've been aiming toward in my [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► college life for a long time something [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► like cool but if I go right I'm in a [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► successful finally in a successful [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► popular band that might have a shot at [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► being rock and roll and I went to my [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► professor and he was like well you know [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► you got it this is one of those things [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► you got to choose and I said I made that [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► I made the decision based on the fact [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► that which thing is less likely to be [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► available to you which which thing is [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► more strike while the iron's hot like [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► the shot of being a rocking rock star [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► the shot of being a university professor [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► and it seemed like if you don't take the [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► rock and roll shot when it comes it's [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► never going to come again and so I said [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► I couldn't go to South Africa and I was [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► super bummed and then we went down to [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► South by Southwest and we came back in [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► the band broke up because they got jobs [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► as copywriters and they didn't like to [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► be on they didn't like to be in the van [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► you know anyway I'm walking down the [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► street I'm super bummed I'm dragging my [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► feet and I hear beep beep and I turn [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► around and there's Death Cab for Cutie [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► the entire band all in their van and my [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► recollection is that it was like the [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► scooby doo van hey guys like there it's [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► like a brown [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► it's a rootbeer Brown like 80s Ford van [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► and and depend in my memory there all [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► four of them hanging out the windows [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► like wait like the Cosby kids yeah [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► exactly like they're all they don't fit [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► in the van because they're they have [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► cartoon heads right they're so big that [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► they that they drive with their heads [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► out of the van like here we come walking [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► down your street and they're like what [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► are you doing man and you know they live [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► in Bellingham right so so uh so I'm like [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► hey guys [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► ah the West would say hurricane breaking [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► up and they're like what get in the van [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► and so I got in a van and they drove me [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► to Bellingham because there was just [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► nothing at you know I didn't have [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► anything going on huh drove me to [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► Bellingham and we all went to see the [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► matrix which was a movie that I had not [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► even heard of at that point because I [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► hadn't been following the trades we got [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► we got to the movie theater and they're [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► like come on we're gonna go see a movie [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► you know I was 29 at this point and they [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► were all 22 23 so it was so it was so I [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► always felt a little bit like okay you [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► guys I'll go to the movies with you and [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► it was it was great and it was great not [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► necessarily because the matrix was great [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► but because there wasn't anything like [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► that before and then and I didn't have [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► any foreshadowing and I just went into [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► this movie and I'll stretch a good [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► feeling yeah yeah it was it was neat so [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► I still have a lot of a lot of [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► sentimentality around the first Matrix [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► movie and I can't separate it from [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► whether or not I think it's a good movie [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► because I suspect that it doesn't acquit [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► with my normal desire for movie [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► narratives to line up - you know what I [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► mean I do yeah I watch it again not too [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► long ago [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► partly to figure out like when it's [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► going to be appropriate to show this to [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► my kid answer not yet um but uh man it's [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► it still looks really good it still [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► feels [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► really good I mean for being as [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► quote-unquote old as it is it still [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► feels pretty fresh and it's I mean maybe [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► again maybe I'm just reliving my first [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► you know watching of it but it also just [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► it still feels like this is one of those [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► movies I don't know what like 2001 or [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► Star Wars or I don't know there's lots [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► of movies like that where like it's so [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► difficult to when you go back and watch [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► movies that were made after this you [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► know like every phone looks like an [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► iPhone now it's like that movie wasn't [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► just the bullet time I mean you know [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► everything being green had already been [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► going on for a while but it was just so [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► audacious the two of them the Wachowski [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► czar so audacious about how they present [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► things and they're not above like like a [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► superhero shot of the team coming out [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► the door and like it's just it's it's [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► the wrong I think it's still really good [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► I I mean my question to you is are all [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► of the matrix tropes - it doesn't have [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► that effect where you watch it and [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► you're like it feels uh it feels cheap [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► because everything that's come [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► subsequently stole from it does it feel [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► like tripe right right right I don't [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► think so [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► I mean you know bullet time filming [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► became kind of a fad but it doesn't hurt [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► that they did it was used in the service [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► of the story so well like that in the [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► sort of like pre credit scene when [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► they're about to find Carrie Moss and [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► she's just standing in that room like [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► staring and then you know she just [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► starts kicking the shit out of everybody [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► and like it's it's I think it still [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► looks fantastic it's it's a weird [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► audacious movie I mean maybe a little [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► bit I mean in a different way sort of [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► like guardians of the galaxy we were [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► like you know if you told somebody the [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► story you go alright whatever [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► but it's the implementation it's just [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► it's so well implemented I don't know I [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► don't think it feels dated at all I [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► think there's a lot of like mumblecore [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► for the last 10 years that is aged a lot [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► more poorly uh you're talking about [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► mumblecore which is the Seattle [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► invention and we take that very [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► personally sorry I did not mean to [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► culturally-appropriate you're mumbling [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► um tell me very briefly with no spoiler [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► alerts because I know how passionately [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► people feel about spoilers um tell me [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► how you feel about the most recent [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► guardians of the galaxy movie which I [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► have to assume you saw an opening day we [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► saw it pretty early on well I you know I [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► went in with as much as I tried to mute [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► my expectations they were still [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► impossibly high because of how [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► thoroughly I enjoyed the first one I [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► remember you talking about I remember [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► what two three years ago when you [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► mentioned you saw it I didn't want to [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► hear what you thought because I was [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► scared you wouldn't like it and I'd be [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► sad you know it's one of those I feel [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► like there's I've been struggling for a [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► while not a cop with a name for certain [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► kinds of media properties you can't even [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► really discuss rationally or [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► intellectually we were like for an [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► obvious example dismiss right where's [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► like you know just give me that one like [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► I'm not gonna I'm not trying to persuade [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► you to like this but this is a thing [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► that I like and that's just how it is [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► when you try to persuade me to like the [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► Smith for a long time I think I I think [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► I tried to correct you on how wrong you [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► are about this mess but I don't think [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► I'd wanted you to like become a super [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► fan but uh I went into it and I thought [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► you know it um there's there's a there's [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► several things about it on several [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► levels that I didn't love one of which [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► was like the team being split up like a [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► lot of the fun throw us a movie the [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► team's not together which works [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► sometimes like in like a rogue one like [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► that makes sense but like you know I [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► Orion you know any the Star Wars movies [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► you go off and have your little side [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► adventures and stuff but you eventually [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► get back together and ya get the team [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► together yeah I mean by me a lot of what [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► I mean they have their reasons for [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► making it the way they did but it had a [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► lot of the the pixie dust that made the [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► first one special like the whole opening [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► sequence with Groot dancing around is is [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► really cute I think groots cuteness is a [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► little bit overused and I'm a big Groot [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► fan not by large I thought it was good [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► I thought it was good but it's i damning [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► it with faint praise because i like the [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► first one so much and the basic test for [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► all these kinds of things this goes for [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► Pixar's goes for Miyazaki this goes for [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► any of these Marvel movies especially [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► with genre movies it's really comes down [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► to how much I think about it after I [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► leave the theater and I just I can't [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► even remember [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► what happened in the movie and I was [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► absolutely paying attention it just it [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► didn't it didn't feel you know it's [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► there's this irony especially in [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► superhero movies about like like the [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► bigness of the adventure is not always [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► you know the big Highness of the stakes [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► does not always pay off and how it gets [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► rolled out and so like for example the [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► Netflix shows like daredevil the stakes [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► are smaller but you're way more invested [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► so I don't know I'm kind of rambling but [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► like I wanted to love it as much as I [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► loved the first one which is such a high [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► bar but I thought it was merely good [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► mm-hmm what about you well you know my [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► experience of the first one was going in [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► again with some you know some group of [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► 22 year olds in a van pulled up and said [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► let's go to the movies I don't remember [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► which band it was I was like all right [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► I'll go to the movies with you some kind [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► of superhero movie and I had never [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► here's the thing right I don't I am such [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► a such a non participate in Marvel [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► Comics culture that I had never heard of [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► guardians of galaxy I had never heard of [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► any of the characters in it or any of [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► the tangential characters I did not have [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► any I had nothing I was like guardians [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► of the galaxy okay whatever you say and [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► I honestly even after I left the theater [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► and for maybe a couple of weeks [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► afterwards I thought it was a completely [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► discrete creation like they had invented [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► those characters for the purposes of [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► this movie only I didn't realize it [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► pre-existed right right as a as a comic [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► book I guess right I think even even a [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► fairly ardent reader of comics over the [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► years would describe them as probably at [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► best obscure there it's definitely not [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► like an Iron Man kind of you know a [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► level set of characters but I mean and [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► the team's changed over time and like I [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► don't think it's one of those things [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► like Alpha Flight like how many people [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► besides you know Wolverine can people [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► name from Alpha Flight near the list of [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► the items but just in a sense that like [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► it was not it was it really felt like a [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► like a Hail Mary in terms of bringing up [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► these characters that the garden-variety [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► comic fan is not familiar with in the [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► garden-variety comic movie [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► has probably never heard of and couldn't [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► pick out of a lineup yeah and and you [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► know where is the on paper like how is [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► this going to be how is anybody going to [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► identify with this or you know like [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► where is the how is this a franchise [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► right right and and I went and and the [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► movie starts out and here the the guy [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► comes with his goggles and he and he [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► puts his cassette out there on a bow [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► starts dancing and and initially I was [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► like oh this is going to be this huh [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► this here's where we are well that [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► opened uh the kind of cold open is the [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► flashback which was brutal I mean oh I [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► was like oh my gosh I hope the rest of [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► movie is gonna be this rough right [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► that's right okay so I guess that did [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► that cold open got me in it was like the [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► cold open of uh of inglourious basterds [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► right where I really did feel like this [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► movie is gonna be really hardcore and [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► and good because both cold opens [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► fantastic right just like what am i [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► watching yeah and then the then the [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► cassette thing and I was like okay okay [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► okay but then even that scene but by by [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► three-quarters the way through I was [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► like oh this is not bad this is good and [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► the Garden guardians of the galaxy was [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► such a thrill ride for me because I [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► couldn't believe that there were people [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► this smart and funny that we're making [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► movies it just didn't seem it didn't [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► seem possible given how I got the room [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► assignment like wait a minute yeah are [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► you sure you're supposed to be in here [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► should you be in like French new-wave [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► there are hundreds of thousands of [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► people in Hollywood making movies all [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► the time and I and none of them come up [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► with anything close to this in terms of [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► script in terms of you know whoever the [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► continuity people were they were good [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► you know that's the thing about [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► continuity right there [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► so unsung because if they're doing their [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► job you don't notice them it's only the [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► ones that are not doing it's only the [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► script doctors that are not thinking [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► about whether or not their ship makes [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► sense that stand out so this is just [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► like I fell in love with the raccoon I [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► didn't even understand Groot I didn't [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► end that whole right like why is this [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► tree even in this but it was he's [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► wonderful he's a [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► really sweet tree who occasionally [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► becomes incredibly violent yeah yeah and [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► and I identified with everybody in the [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► movie and and so when guardians of the [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► galaxy 2 started coming out when that's [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► they started to roll it out I I did that [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► I got spooked I was like no no no no no [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► no no how are you gonna do this this is [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► you know you're gonna screw this up I [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► bet Hollywood aren't you aren't you [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► Hollywood yeah and then as it got closer [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► and closer and everybody was so hyped up [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► I was like I've seen this before I [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► remember when you were waiting in line [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► for the Phantom Menace you dumb people [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► don't do this to yourselves what I saw [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► my friend and more until he'd wondered [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► if he'd ever see he's you know 10 maybe [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► 10 years younger than me maybe more but [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► he uh he had wondered if there'd ever be [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► another Star Wars in his lifetime and he [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► saw it like three times in one weekend [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► and each time he was like that was good [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► right like if you try to figure it out [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► yeah the thing you're like it must be me [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► I mean this is George Lucas George Lucas [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► is the force man like this is yeah I I'm [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► missing something I should keep going [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► back to this nothing until I get it [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► right good right those guys right you [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► guys right and everybody's like that [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► yeah um I was I was like that when I [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► went to see Hitchhiker's Guide to the [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► galaxy because it had everything it had [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► ever it had Sam Rockwell who I think is [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► the greatest he's the greatest living [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► actor everything like saying we watched [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► Iron Man 2 a couple times in the last [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► week which i think is a highly [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► underrated movie and you know it's weird [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► they bring his character and so late in [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► that movie but like everything he's in [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► the moment he appears on screen the [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► movie just comes alive he Sarah is so [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► entertaining he's so great he's the one [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► Hollywood actor I'm I'm pretty confident [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► when I say he is the one single [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► Hollywood actor that I would actually [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► want to meet that I've you know that I [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► would be like if somebody said we're [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► gonna go meet Sam Rockwell I would be [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► like oh oh oh okay oh I'm cool you know [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► like I would be I'm not I feeling I [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► would be I would be weird right he's the [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► one guy I would be weird and and my [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► sense is he's he's not he's not one of [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► those in like dumb intense Hollywood [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► actor [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► where he's out crashing his car or [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► there's like swatting around being [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► intense but he does feel like somebody [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► who who I just I feel like he's probably [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► a pretty intense dude [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► i I'm maybe one day fate the fates will [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► bring us together in Sam Rockwell and I [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► will be able to carry on a conversation [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► because I would be I would look forward [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► to it cuz I just love I just love him I [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► love his face I love his voice I love [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► everything every time he's in a movie [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► whatever reason he's really in the movie [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► without having it up but he is such a [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► presence somebody I mean in a completely [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► different angle like Melissa McCarthy [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► we're like whatever material she is [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► given and it is certainly not always [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► great like I feel like she just brings [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► it alive and I just want to watch what [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► she does next and I think he's like that [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► and movie like moon I mean how many [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► people could pull off a movie that crazy [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► it's it's such a mode that no spoilers [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► but it's a very strange movie but I [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► totally agree but he okay so we're on Oh [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► Hitchhiker's Guide and you got Tim from [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► the office mm-hmm you can play who's the [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► best guy in the office I thought oh [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► absolutely and get severus snape as the [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► voice of Marvin right yep yep Saravanan [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► Magellan Rickman neon Marvin all right [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► Alan Rickman is in the movie isn't he as [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► a as a face character I don't know or am [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► I thinking of I think he's more of an [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► looking up there is there is a superhero [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► movie or some kind of movie where he's [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► in a spacesuit he's in a galaxy quest [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► galaxy quests that very amusing movie [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► that's it that's it 2005 another high [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► concept movie that Galaxy Quest where [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► it's like you guys came up with an idea [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► that's good boy this is a haircut you [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► got you got Zooey Deschanel in it you [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► gotta fry richard griffiths that's a [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► Vernon Dursley isn't it because of [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► course I judge everything by who they [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► were in a Harry Potter movie it's like [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► he got a Malkovich I've never seen it I [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► love the book my daughter and I have [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► read the book oh you've never seen [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► Hitchhiker's Guide the movie now I've [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► heard some of the radio play from back [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► in the day but I just the movie I don't [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► know is scared you know the feel the [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► book yeah the book has [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► Jitender right it just has such a like [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► any any anything can happen [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► they just he just describes it so well [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► and you're like I you know I don't even [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► want to see what a Vogon looks like just [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► just keep describing all that stuff yeah [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► and it's tried there have been attempts [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► made to adapt it for a long time as you [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► know radio play and the everything right [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► TV show the cereal box the and it's [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► never 100% succeeded and here was this [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► movie with all these perfect just the [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► perfect cast I couldn't have done a [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► better job of putting this movie [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► together yeah and no spoilers but it is [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► like just a it's a turnip unch Bowl is [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► it it pretty leaden yeah that's exactly [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► what happens there's no there's no [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► where's the lightness like this is [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► supposed to be hilarious and it there's [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► everybody's just walking around mugging [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► and there's no there's no joy in [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► Mudville and uh that was one where I did [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► go in with pretty high expectations and [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► halfway through the movie I said this is [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► not good this is no good this is like [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► this is like every twenty no movie in [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► the last ten years no good I have a [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► friend who is a comic writer and one of [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► his comics have you seen that trailer [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► for atomic blonde with Charlize Theron [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► no I like Shirley schuk is there on like [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► kicking butt in Berlin in the late 80s [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► good goosey god it's really good but but [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► so anyway I've kind of cool awesome his [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► his comic the coldest city is has been [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► made into a movie that comes out soon [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► but but he has done he's done all kinds [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► of different work including adaptations [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► oh yeah and yes he has some interesting [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► thoughts on and I'm always interested to [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► hear this kind of stuff from someone who [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► actually does it versus somebody who [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► just reckons how it should go [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► so like you know don't ask most comic [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► fans how you could make that into a [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► movie um though we have no context for [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► that you have your I mean you may but [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► you mainly have your very strong you [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► know emotional feelings like what to [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► leave in what to leave out like a Bob [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► Seger song [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► against the wind still wanna dance to [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► win but but you know it's and one of the [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► interesting thoughts he has is that like [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► you know he's not it this sounds obvious [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► but it's so important he's not against [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► changing the story like you've got to [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► adapt to this medium there's all kinds [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► of stuff that you have to there may be [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► characters you have to add there may be [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► characters you have to combine there may [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► be things and like it's it's such an [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► artful thing and look no further than [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► our friend Coppola The Godfather [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► the first Godfather book which I read [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► most of is fine but it's fine it's not [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► the movie that you see on screen it's [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► the result of a fantastic collaboration [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► adaptation obviously the town I mean [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► it's you know where they say success has [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► a thousand fathers and failures an [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► orphan it's but you know it takes so [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► many people to take something from one [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► medium into another and if it isn't just [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► a naked cash grab we're trying to cash [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► in on you know like oh the popularity of [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► Bratz dolls let's make a movie [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► you know is there something very artful [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► and special and then on top of it it's [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► not even like you're like an [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► up-and-coming indie director who wants [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► to make something like like Primmer [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► like let's say you've got or primer as [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► you say like if you've if you've got to [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► this got people in comics suffer from [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► this you go in with all this weight of [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► expectations I mean can you imagine [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► being Joss Whedon and going into like be [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► troubled Avengers project and then like [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► taking over think that's it's incredibly [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► difficult there's just there's so many [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► requirements and so many boxes to tick [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► and then on top of all that you have to [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► make it even if you had like an int like [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► I say with an indie film there's a [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► chance you could get it through a small [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► version of the Machine intact but like [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► imagine that extra level of difficulty [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► of having to make it an adaptation that [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► survives all that stuff where you've [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► like very carefully you've put together [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► this thing that's like almost like a [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► house of cards a character and plot and [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► we have this much budget like you know [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► like in The Hulk movie we can only show [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► the Hulk this much because we don't have [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► that much money etc etc so I just I have [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► a lot of admiration for people who pull [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► it off because like you said if it [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► worked well you don't notice why it was [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► great and if it doesn't work well all [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► you can do is obsess about what they [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► should have done differently yeah and I [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► I feel like they're - you touched on two [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► things right and one of them is the the [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► classic thing that we had that we [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► in the music recording business which is [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► that the more people from the head [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► office that come down to your recording [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► session the more they are going to [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► destroy what you're doing it's all they [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► can do is destroy what you're doing all [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► they have is the counter of subtraction [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► yeah right and so on mixing boards in [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► studios all over the world there are and [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► I swear this is both done for comedic [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► effect and also absolutely true there [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► are little sections of mixing boards [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► where the where things are like [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► disconnected and when someone an A&R guy [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► or somebody from the label comes and [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► wants to contribute a really good [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► producer will say hey here is this sect [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► you know they're like why don't we bring [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► the bass up why don't we take the [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► tambourine down why don't we change the [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► and he'll actually put his hands on some [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► knobs and say here you know like as the [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► mix is going by can you make those [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► adjustments here on these four knobs and [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► let me demonstrate for you next yes the [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► knobs are not connected to anything and [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► the the an our guy will sit there and [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► make these minor minor adjustments on on [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► blank knobs and be like they're like [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► that and everybody's like whoa yes thank [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► really many sweetens up the sound yeah [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► you did it man you found the sweet spot [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► anyway thanks for stopping by [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► and I think to to be in Hollywood and to [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► keep your thing alive you have to be [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► very good at that type of thing where [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► you're where you're a little bit of bit [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► misdirection of the of the A&R guy where [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► there's all these people from the [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► theater the studio they're like you know [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► it would be great is it the if there was [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► like a little kid like a precocious [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► little kid that wears glasses that like [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► says funny stuff and you go that is a [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► great idea here you know like what if we [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► made that kid a full-grown adult who [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► didn't ever say anything funny what [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► about that that was your idea my guy's [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► like amazing so I think you've got to be [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► able to do that and not do what I do [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► which is like what get the fuck out of [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► here you know because that's the way [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► that you lose that's what you lose [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► you gotta give them some kind of a like [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► we got a computer here something called [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► the heat sink right like you need to [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► give them an input sink you need to give [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► them some kind of a way to have input [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► without unintentionally you know doing [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► something destructive but you also need [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► to not it seems to me you also need to [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► not make it like Wow keep coming back [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► because we could sure use lots of tips [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► and tricks uh yeah [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► yeah I don't know how you do it [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► particularly when you've got people in [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► Hollywood or in business who really [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► think they're they're hot and who are [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► smart enough that they have gotten where [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► they've gotten so they're not just you [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► can't just misdirect them like throw a [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► tennis ball down the hall and like hey [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► go get it boy you know you've got a it's [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► that it's these guys that we're always [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► talking about right the the like the [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► middle-aged dude who never thought you [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► think's she's amazing and that's right [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► that's who you have to find a way to [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► like give him something real that they [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► know because they're on the lookout for [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► you to give them a button that doesn't [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► work right they they're they that's how [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► they that that's part of their identity [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► is like they're nobody's fool so how you [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► contend with them in a Hollywood [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► situation I don't know but that's less [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► interesting to me than the other thing [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► that you were touching on which is [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► somehow to maintain tonight then that [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► the word outsider is is so overused that [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► we that we forget that it originally had [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► a meaning but like how to maintain the [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► perspective of a child through a massive [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► undertaking like this how to maintain [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► that the simplicity of like does this [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► work or not does this make me laugh or [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► not does this do I understand this or [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► not and not get not get broken up into [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► all these sort of like here's a vignette [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► we're working on this vignette and how [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► it fits into the rest of the movie we [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► don't care how it you know like we've [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► got a team working on this vignette and [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► they're honing it and everything they [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► add or take away is actually [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► screwing up how it fits into the film [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► but no one's no one is coordinating it [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► no one is there's no executive here [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► because this has all been balkanized by [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► someone up up higher who's like you know [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► we need we need to bring in an action [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► guy for this scene we need to bring in [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► the script writers from this action film [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► to put more action into this scene in [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► this comedy or you know and I and I've [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► hit on this in other topics to talking [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► to you which is that at a certain point [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► expertise can be the enemy we we are so [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► you know we fetishize expertise in this [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► culture and so all of our teachers are [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► people who have pursued like an [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► education trajectory in their own [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► education yeah and all of our designers [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► have pursued designing extensively [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► exclusively and we have eliminated so [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► much the the sense that what the world [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► needs is people educated broadly and in [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► a film especially I feel like there [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► should be someone working in the working [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► on a film that doesn't know anything [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► about film right that that hasn't read [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► the the book you know that's just a a [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► reader and a knowledgeable person who [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► you run things by and go what is this [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► how does this I mean it's basically like [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► running it by your dad or you know or [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► like in my case your mom where like mom [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► does this scan and mom's like who's the [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► who's the one in the Hat and like oh [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► right right right because when I wrote [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► it I put in all this explication about [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► the one in the Hat and then I took it [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► out in a subsequent edit but the one in [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► the Hat is still in the movie it doesn't [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► make any sense because he because the [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► the backstory got edited out thanks mom [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► mm-hmm like a little bit of a sanity [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► check yeah but how do you go into a [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► business situation [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► and say and and make a case for someone [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► who isn't an expert make a case for the [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► the input of someone where you all [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► you're saying about them is I trust this [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► person here just you a lot of directors [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► and showrunners in TV have their own [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► kind of brain trust that they can run [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► stuff by you know that you wouldn't need [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► necessarily somebody who's just like an [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► absolute beginner but but I take your [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► point it the other get one other [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► challenge of expertise that can like I [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► like that absolute beginners drop in [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► their that like that the the other thing [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► with expertise is though there's so many [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► levels to expertise starting at the end [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► of there's all in one end you start out [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► not knowing what you don't even know you [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► need to know or not know like there's [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► just there's that you know the total [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► zero I don't even know anything about [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► this thing and of course you move up and [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► up and up but even if you become very [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► very good at something I think it's [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► still important to understand where your [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► expertise is appropriate and you know [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► where your expertise applies where your [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► expertise can be used useful or or where [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► your confidence [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► conversely where your confidence in your [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► own expertise might be a cataract that [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► causes you to start trying to solve a [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► problem that you've been comfortable [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► solving before to where you're almost [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► like somebody who let's say you're a TV [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► critic who's watched thousands of hours [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► of reality cooking shows and like you [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► know them backwards and forwards and so [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► what you do you like walk into the [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► kitchen and like here's the name of a [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► pasta that you know that you say they [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► should throw in the soup or you know [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► what I mean like oh one time they want [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► on top shell Top Chef with this the part [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► of expertise is also knowing when to say [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► like no I don't really know about this [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► like you know what I mean that that I [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► don't have to have you know I don't need [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► to put my fingers on the faders in order [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► to have an influence on how this works [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► that there should be a way that I can [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► adjust what I know and what I've learned [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► to deploy that in a way that's useful [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► and positive rather than something [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► that's just there for you to be able to [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► put a mark on it and and and this is [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► something that I this is I think you're [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► at the crux right where if you have [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► tremendous accomplishment and you have [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► made your bone [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► and you and and you are already a hero [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► in your craft and then you can be then [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► you can be a character that uh that sits [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► in the back of the room with sunglasses [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► on maybe asleep maybe not while the [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► whole thing goes and you are thinking to [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► yourself this is all going well it does [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► not need my intervention and you can get [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► away with it because people are like [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► well it's the master right that and so [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► so that hands-off Ness is I mean Quincy [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► Jones presumably does not sit in a chair [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► and and or doesn't jump up out of his [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► chair and go move the 57 on the snare [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► yeah he's the producer is not the [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► engineer right but but you know you'd be [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► surprised right as yet the number of and [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► so there are those people that you [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► understand right that that Carol King is [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► not going to say she's not going to be [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► down in the deep in the weeds if [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► something's going well right she's not [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► going to screw up something but then [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► there's the vast majority of people in [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► the middle of their profession who in a [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► lot of ways you know people are gunning [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► for their job there's a lot of there's [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► competition there in the mix and they're [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► at a stage in their career where people [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► are like are you the are you a genius [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► are you the next genius and there's got [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► to be so much pressure on them to look [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► like they're working basically right [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► it's got to be so hard for somebody in [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► the middle of a creative career business [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► business yeah right just to be like now [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► this is going well and what what I meet [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► you know what a great director does is [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► not mess with success or you know like [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► and so that accounts I think for the the [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► giant jumble of garbage that's like that [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► you know the the guy er the the guy er [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► of plastic that's in the it's rotating [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► around the Pacific that we call our [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► mainstream culture but it's those [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► creatives I just use the word okay you [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► get a freebie get one it's it's the [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► people that from a very young age have [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► the [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► confidence to be sparing from a from you [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► know throughout their career like if [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► when I think about Prince being a [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► teenager walking around Minneapolis [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► hears teenage Prince walking around [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► Minneapolis and he's going to like open [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► mics and he's in his high school band [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► and he's you know like he was a high [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► schooler right Prince didn't fall from [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► the sky he was just another weird kid [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► with temples he's a weird kid with [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► pimples it was like practicing the [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► guitar in on his bed nobody sees Prince [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► coming but from the very beginning he [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► had the confidence to be Prince because [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► there there aren't like seven Prince [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► albums where he's trying to figure it [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► out right you know he's like he hit the [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► ground pretty pretty running huh and [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► doing all these things like I was [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► listening to I was listening to a track [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► a Prince track yesterday where he's like [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► he has pre-delay right when I forget I'm [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► blanking on the tune but like the vocal [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► melody oh it's a little red Corvette um [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► where there's where does oh it's on the [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► bridge yeah there's a pre-echo yeah on [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► the verge of being obscene that part on [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► the verge on the verge of being obscene [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► yeah and it's like what I mean that's so [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► natural it's so beautiful and so [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► wonderful and I'm I'm sure Prince didn't [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► invent it but and and I let me see what [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► what is the what is the explanation for [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► I remember I remember hearing it [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► described how it was discovered which [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► was that um when the tape real when the [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► when the the tune is being wound back on [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► the tape real there's a little bleed and [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► there's little bleed through the tape or [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► on the tape where you get this pre-delay [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► because the you know the part actually [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► is like sort of [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► ghosts into the track I think that's [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► true on old on old recording media well [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► but but this is not that this isn't [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► bleed this was an intentional thing [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► where he was like I'm gonna I'm gonna do [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► this and and he was he was young enough [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► then I guess and there weren't as many [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► eyes on him that he could get away with [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► it there wasn't somebody like wait wait [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► wait Prince that's a little crazy that [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► those people the people that that don't [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► second-guess themselves or if they do [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► they just they there's a voice of [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► confidence in them maybe ken well you [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► know new young to an extent because he's [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► like whatever he's doing in the past [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► he's pod committed on whatever that [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► album is my god have you seen that [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► footage of him on German television or [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► whatever it is Dutch television have I [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► sent you those links just him playing [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► solo in playing solo I've seen ones from [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► around the time between um that comes a [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► time what's the one what's my favorite [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► album after the gold rush but before [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► harvest reads like playing songs from [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► harvest I've seen a bunch of footage [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► from that era that's like pretty [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► stunning that were you talking about [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► yeah yeah he's 22 years old he's sitting [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► on a chair and he's like the techne one [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► he looks like looks like he's from The [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► Young Ones he's just long hair and just [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► roll and he's like this is a new one I [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► wrote it's called old man it's about a [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► guy that lives in my farm and he plays [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► it on the acoustic guitar and it's [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► complete right it's it is a complete [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► work it's not like he's it's not like [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► he's working on it and that records not [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► out and just him in a guitar it's all [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► there you know you don't there isn't a [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► banjo part there isn't a backing vocal [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► but it doesn't matter because and you [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► know and I'm I'm not just in awe I'm not [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► just watching this and going like whoa [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► because I know the song backwards and [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► forwards and I and I don't have the [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► ability to distinguish my own love of [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► the thing from the actual thing like I'm [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► I am capable of looking at that and [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► saying that is actually phenomenal and [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► his parts are simple this is the the [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► wonderful thing about about truly great [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► stuff it's just simple it'd be easy to [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► play [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► but there it is it's a kit some it's a [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► masterpiece and he's just this young [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► like dirt in his hair [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► Canadian that's the least likely part [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► yep [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► with his with this bowl haircut driving [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► around Hollywood in a Cadillac hearse [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► like what the hell what what so so that [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► those those people and then on the far [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► far end of the spectrum you've got Neil [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► Young now who's 75 who in a way the fact [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► that he has never answered to anybody [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► and doesn't have to answer to anybody [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► maybe is a maybe is acting now slightly [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► has a little bit of a deficit on him [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► just because he's um cuz if he decided [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► he was going to wear clown shoes now [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► like everybody would be like a me [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► amazing amazing Neil and he'd be like [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► yeah but it's it's for those of us in [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► the in the broad middle the giant the [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► giant pile of us in the middle who are [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► like I'm working here a worgen when I [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► listen to the long winters records I put [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► everything on them because if I came up [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► with a with a shaker part I would want [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► it on there mm-hmm [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► and then it's like you know what this [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► track doesn't have a harpsichord it's [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► not like what does this track need a [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► harpsichord it's like what does this [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► track not have a harpsichord and so [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► there are a lot of melodies going on in [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► Tunes that are all very I think [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► satisfying and when you listen to them [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► on headphones it's fun but it doesn't [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► have that um maybe this doesn't always [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► serve the song as much as you would hope [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► well or what five melodies do is not [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► five times better than one great melody [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► yes that's good way to put it like that [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► it was so pepper well like once you [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► start stripping the layers away you know [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► you appreciate so much more of what's [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► actually there mm-hmm and a lot of those [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► decisions a lot of those decisions seem [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► probably simple at the time which is [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► George Wendt George Harrison went Bam [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► Bam pow and they're like it's done and [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► you listen to it now and you're like [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► that's the part yeah what what what was [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► how did they decide they've only got [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► four tracks there's a lot there's a lot [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► of things like that wheels new those the [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► raw tracks there's a lot of stuff really [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► Wow can't that's what they went with it [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► totally worked [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► I was listening the other day too [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► so um uh still trying to figure out the [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► Chris Cornell situation still spending [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► some not in considerable amount of time [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► in the middle of the night staring at [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► staring at the ceiling above my bathtub [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► and going what now what am i what what's [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► my takeaway here but so I I was [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► listening to burden in my hand which is [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► a really wonderful song and burden in my [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► hand has a has the feeling in the in the [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► pre-chorus and chorus of this bass part [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► that is just phenomenal and it's not [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► when you're listening to the entire [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► track you can't quite pick out exactly [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► what the bass is doing but it sounds [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► like a super-duper grunge bass like but [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► we divided boom bidden to be better but [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► differed about and there's a lot of like [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► guitar and stuff going on and there's [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► this Soundgarden II Polly rhythms but [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► Ben Shephard the bass player of of [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► Soundgarden is a local legend here he's [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► a you know he's legendarily like intense [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► guy I've known him tangentially for many [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► years and he's one of the very few [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► people who scares the shit out of me you [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► just scare sketches this episode of [TS]

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00:52:55 ◼   ► Roderick on the line and all the great [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► shows scares the shit out of me he's a [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► he's a big guy and he is just his [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► intensity is up there to the to the [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► point of like hello [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► scary guy but I had a good friend who [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► worked who was oh you know Mike Squires [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► you know Mike's work Harry are all our [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► listeners know Mike Squires guitar [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► player of Duff McKagan 'he's loaded they [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► were on tour at a certain point a long [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► time ago and he met Zakk Wylde for the [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► first time and Mike was a Murray in the [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► Marines Mike is somebody who grew up in [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► an intense environment where you know [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► you had to really be on your toes and he [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► met Zakk Wylde and you know and tried to [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► like Josh with him like hey you know [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► what's up ding-a-ling her I don't know [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► tried to be like Mike Squires about it [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► and and Mike reported back to me that [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► the one guy in the the one guy that [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► scares the shit out of him is Zakk Wylde [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► and he didn't want to he didn't want a [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► monkey with Zakk Wylde which seemed like [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► a reasonable approach to take to Zakk [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► well he's also a very big man and an [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► impressive now my my good friend Andrew [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► mikeg who now is the tour manager of The [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► Experience Hendrix [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► show which tours the world with uh with [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► like all-star cast like Ringo Starr's [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► all-star band except playing Jimi [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► Hendrix music Wow [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► and Zach Zakk Wylde is in that band and [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► he Zach and Andrew now are thick as [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► thieves they they like post videos of [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► each other on Instagram like like cuckoo [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo like it's [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► pretty great pretty rock and roll great [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► so I'm no longer um I'm no longer [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► worried about meeting Zach well because [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► I feel like I happenin I can say I'm [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► good friends with Andrew also Merlin [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► this may surprise you to know but my [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► understanding it's just remembering now [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► is that Zach wilds manager listens maybe [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► listens to this program get out of town [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► I'm not a hundred percent sure but I [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► think it's true or at least at one point [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► was huh anyway Ben Shepherd has always [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► scared the shit out of me and he's one [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► of those guys that would just stare at [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► you from across the room you're like [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► that's not good like like hi and he just [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► keeps just like staring but anyway so [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► there's this bass line in the song [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► burden in my hand [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► that for years I wanted to tease out [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► wanted to figure out what what's going [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► on and so the other day I was like I bet [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► you there's something on the internet [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► about this and I'm surprised often when [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► there is not something on the internet [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► about a thing [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► it feels you do this song this has got [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► happened to you huh in my neighborhood I [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► I feel like I'm about to talk about some [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► I'm about to talk about a dream hmm but [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► it's not a dream in my neighborhood [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► there is someone and I'm gonna say I'm [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► pretty confident that it's a guy this [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► someone who late late at night walks [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► around setting off sticks of dynamite [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► mmm [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► how I talked about this before I don't [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► think so [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► I mean they're not cherry bombs they are [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► there's like some significant boomy [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► bottom and so I'll because I'm up late [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► at night I'm lying in bed and some [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► nights I'll hear it all the way across [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► the neighborhood like on the far far far [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► side of neighborhood three o'clock in [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► the morning and it's loud but you can [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► tell it's also very distant and then [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► other times I will hear it nearby so [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► that the windows rattle my god middle of [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► the night and some nights I hear two and [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► maybe once even heard three of these [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► explosions in a single night and heard [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► them at a distance but moving like there [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► was one and then 45 minutes later there [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► was another one over there and then you [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► know an hour later there was another one [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► way over there we awake the whole time [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► with [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► be waking you up no I'm up I'm up and on [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► this is even weirder and this person [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► that I think is probably a guy is also a [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► play but one time I was sitting in my [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► bedroom in my house and a stick of [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► dynamite went out off in the street in [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► front of my house and I saw the flash [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► through the windows it rattled the [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► entire house it rattled my teak it [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► rattled it was like a stick well a stick [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► of dynamite in front of your house yeah [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► yeah you know just like and you're not [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► expecting it all right there's no like [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► five four it's just like and so I [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► typically you give a fella fire in the [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► hole before you do something like that [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► yeah and it's the middle of the goddamn [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► night you know 3:00 a.m. and it's only [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► that I'm just sitting here sorting my [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► cufflinks into boxes that I was awake [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► and saw the flash and so of course I [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► sprinted downstairs in my underpants [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► sprinted out the front door the entire [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► Street is full of black powder smoke [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► there's like shit floating in the air [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► right paper and ship floating in the air [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► and I run out into the middle and [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► there's you know this big black spot on [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► the on the pavement and I'm in the [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► middle of the street and I'm in my like [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► I didn't even have the forethought to [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► take a fencing saber with me I'm just [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► like I am ready to fight whatever [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► mountain lion whatever human bear [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► mountain lion in human shape just thinks [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► that this is a good plan and I'm out in [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► the military and there's no one and I'm [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► looking and I'm looking and then nobody [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► else is running on their underwear no [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► hmm but there's definitely smoke Oh [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► the street is full smoke coming and the [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► and the smoke cloud is 30 feet high I [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► mean it's like a well it's like a bomb [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► went off and two blocks down [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► there is a solitary figure dressed in [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► black and just before and he's at the [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► corner two blocks down and just before [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► he turns [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► he turns [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► he turns and stops and looks back at me [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► and I'm standing in my underwear in the [TS]

01:00:04 ◼   ► middle of his smoke cloud and it so this [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► this bomb had to have been on a long [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► fuse because he's not running he's fully [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► two blocks away and lit this either with [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► a with a fuse a lit fuse or on some kind [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► of timer or I don't think a remote [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► detonator of some kind but like to put a [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► thing to set off something like this in [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► front of in just a neighborhood Street [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► is one thing but to light it and walk [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► away two blocks away you have no idea [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► who's gonna come along right you could [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► be a block and a half away and all of a [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► sudden a family of five drives up in a [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► super bill you know like a yeah a [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► Griswold machine so and I stand in the [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► street and he stands in the street and [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► we look at each other across this long [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► distance I can't see his face he's just [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► a shadow and I'm like I'm in my bare [TS]

01:01:09 ◼   ► feet but I just wanted to sprint after [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► this guy but I just knew that it was not [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► it wasn't doable and so he turned the [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► corner and he and there was something in [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► his body language something in his [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► energy that was just like very much like [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► fuck you like just super it felt like [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► they felt like getting a glimpse of a [TS]

01:01:33 ◼   ► serial killer to me because I've been [TS]

01:01:35 ◼   ► listening to these bombs go off for a [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► decade and then one other time a a bomb [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► went off in my neighborhood like about [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► two blocks away [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► but close enough that I knew where it [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► happened and I jumped out put on my [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► shoes and ran the two blocks to that [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► location again a huge cloud of smoke [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► stuff still floating in the air and I [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► was hoping that I was coming the [TS]

01:02:03 ◼   ► direction that he was going but they [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► were but I saw no one and in that [TS]

01:02:07 ◼   ► situation there was somebody else that [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► came out of their house [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► stood there and looked at each other in [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► the street like what the fuck but I go [TS]

01:02:14 ◼   ► on the internet and and say you know [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► like who's setting off fucking bombs and [TS]

01:02:19 ◼   ► and you know there's so many NIMBYs and [TS]

01:02:22 ◼   ► neighborhood activists and people that [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► are on the internet like there's a [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► barking dog in my neighborhood yeah [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► right I can find nothing mm-hmm about [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► the Mad Bomber of South Seattle noticing [TS]

01:02:36 ◼   ► and that's so strange when that happens [TS]

01:02:38 ◼   ► I feel like I'm I'm a crazy person like [TS]

01:02:40 ◼   ► is no one else here these massive [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► explosions I mean I don't think that [TS]

01:02:46 ◼   ► he's ever doesn't seem like he's ever [TS]

01:02:47 ◼   ► hurt anybody I've never heard a police [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► car it never feels like I should call [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► the police because it's like well fait [TS]

01:02:53 ◼   ► accompli thing went off it's guy in a [TS]

01:02:55 ◼   ► black hoodies who knows nobody just [TS]

01:02:59 ◼   ► pranking everybody just pranking and [TS]

01:03:01 ◼   ► where does he get these amazing bombs [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► another thing I wanted but so I went on [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► the Internet [TS]

01:03:09 ◼   ► yeah and I googled soloed baseline of [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► burden in my hand I wanted to hear the [TS]

01:03:17 ◼   ► bass part because I felt like it was [TS]

01:03:20 ◼   ► really the secret to the song and of [TS]

01:03:25 ◼   ► course it's there it pops up and I [TS]

01:03:27 ◼   ► listen to it and it is really hard to [TS]

01:03:31 ◼   ► understand what is happening because [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► soul load it sounds very bad it doesn't [TS]

01:03:41 ◼   ► sound well played and it doesn't sound [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► well thought out it sounds kind of like [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► Ben Shephard through a bass down a [TS]

01:03:51 ◼   ► flight of stairs I'm listening it's got [TS]

01:03:55 ◼   ► a kind of meandering grungy feeling the [TS]

01:03:58 ◼   ► song or the baseline to baseline by [TS]

01:04:01 ◼   ► itself yeah at a great tone well even [TS]

01:04:06 ◼   ► you know yeah sort of but there are a [TS]

01:04:10 ◼   ► bunch of comments after the basement [TS]

01:04:14 ◼   ► afterwards on the youtubes the [TS]

01:04:15 ◼   ► sloppiness is part of his brilliance [TS]

01:04:17 ◼   ► yeah exactly and then a lot of other [TS]

01:04:19 ◼   ► people are like this is an amateur [TS]

01:04:21 ◼   ► garbage [TS]

01:04:22 ◼   ► for months well so then somebody in that [TS]

01:04:25 ◼   ► comment thread posted a thing where they [TS]

01:04:27 ◼   ► said you need to listen to this in the [TS]

01:04:28 ◼   ► context and they posted a thing where [TS]

01:04:30 ◼   ► the band is in the right channel and the [TS]

01:04:33 ◼   ► base is soloed in the left chance okay [TS]

01:04:35 ◼   ► and listening to not even you I mean at [TS]

01:04:45 ◼   ► least I think I get what he's doing I [TS]

01:04:50 ◼   ► get the bass part now I understand where [TS]

01:04:52 ◼   ► it lives but I'm just surprised he [TS]

01:04:55 ◼   ► didn't take another take like I'm [TS]

01:04:58 ◼   ► surprised that he didn't just try and go [TS]

01:05:01 ◼   ► and get it a little better mm-hmm and [TS]

01:05:03 ◼   ► this was a record that they recorded a [TS]

01:05:05 ◼   ► bad animals studio it must have been you [TS]

01:05:07 ◼   ► know $1500 a day in the studio this is a [TS]

01:05:11 ◼   ► major major professional rock album so [TS]

01:05:14 ◼   ► it had to be intentional everything [TS]

01:05:17 ◼   ► about it was intentional and when you [TS]

01:05:20 ◼   ► listen to the track it not only works it [TS]

01:05:24 ◼   ► works amazingly but there's nothing [TS]

01:05:27 ◼   ► about the part that would suggest it if [TS]

01:05:29 ◼   ► you were sitting in the studio and you [TS]

01:05:30 ◼   ► so load that bass part he tends I mean [TS]

01:05:34 ◼   ► he sounds I don't get in trouble with [TS]

01:05:36 ◼   ► this guy because he sounds like a tough [TS]

01:05:37 ◼   ► guy it says a little bit like a guitar [TS]

01:05:39 ◼   ► player playing a bass part yeah and [TS]

01:05:42 ◼   ► they're like weird hammer offs that just [TS]

01:05:45 ◼   ► sort of you know they're like like a [TS]

01:05:47 ◼   ► root in a fifth the root routing and [TS]

01:05:48 ◼   ► octaves and a lot of sliding around but [TS]

01:05:50 ◼   ► it's a sliding around yeah yeah [TS]

01:05:52 ◼   ► hammering and like just sort of fret [TS]

01:05:55 ◼   ► noise and clanks and clunks there are a [TS]

01:05:59 ◼   ► lot of clanks and clunks it's not a [TS]

01:06:01 ◼   ► family it's not a clean take um and I've [TS]

01:06:06 ◼   ► really been chewing on that bass part uh [TS]

01:06:09 ◼   ► for the last few weeks sort of like if [TS]

01:06:13 ◼   ► you walk out of Gallic guardians of the [TS]

01:06:15 ◼   ► galaxy are you thinking about the movie [TS]

01:06:18 ◼   ► afterwards I'm still thinking about [TS]

01:06:20 ◼   ► guardians of the galaxy where do you [TS]

01:06:21 ◼   ► stand it as of now the way she did [TS]

01:06:24 ◼   ► another take do I wish he had done [TS]

01:06:27 ◼   ► another take uh no because I think the [TS]

01:06:30 ◼   ► track is perfect what I listen to burden [TS]

01:06:33 ◼   ► in my hand I do not think oh I wish that [TS]

01:06:36 ◼   ► the [TS]

01:06:36 ◼   ► song was better like it I do feel within [TS]

01:06:39 ◼   ► at least the Soundgarden style it's it's [TS]

01:06:44 ◼   ► a high watermark for Soundgarden and yet [TS]

01:06:49 ◼   ► I cannot as a recordist and a person [TS]

01:06:53 ◼   ► that's making rock albums I cannot I [TS]

01:06:56 ◼   ► cannot picture myself in the studio as [TS]

01:07:00 ◼   ► the guy as the star of the band [TS]

01:07:03 ◼   ► listening to that bass take and saying [TS]

01:07:06 ◼   ► great write print it and so it's another [TS]

01:07:12 ◼   ► example another piece of evidence that [TS]

01:07:13 ◼   ► I'm missing something or you know that I [TS]

01:07:19 ◼   ► that that there is a that that's a form [TS]

01:07:23 ◼   ► of perfection but if it works for their [TS]

01:07:26 ◼   ► song it works right well but that's [TS]

01:07:29 ◼   ► exactly right and that's what we're [TS]

01:07:31 ◼   ► saying about George Harrison BAM all [TS]

01:07:33 ◼   ► right yeah but if you solo things which [TS]

01:07:37 ◼   ► is what you do in a studio like you [TS]

01:07:40 ◼   ► record the bass part live with the band [TS]

01:07:42 ◼   ► and then you go and you solo things to [TS]

01:07:44 ◼   ► hear how they sound to make sure that [TS]

01:07:45 ◼   ► they all line up and they work contrary [TS]

01:07:48 ◼   ► to what you might imagine listening to a [TS]

01:07:50 ◼   ► song or an album like for the early [TS]

01:07:53 ◼   ► stages of that song you're doing nothing [TS]

01:07:56 ◼   ► but listening to solo solo or grouped [TS]

01:08:00 ◼   ► instruments like for a long you don't [TS]

01:08:01 ◼   ► get to hear what the song really sounds [TS]

01:08:03 ◼   ► like really for a long time you've [TS]

01:08:05 ◼   ► probably heard that bass line you know [TS]

01:08:08 ◼   ► numerous numerous times by its size yeah [TS]

01:08:10 ◼   ► or oh and usually you're listening to it [TS]

01:08:13 ◼   ► with the drums right and you're saying [TS]

01:08:15 ◼   ► does this does this work and even if it [TS]

01:08:18 ◼   ► was working with the drums when you so [TS]

01:08:21 ◼   ► load it and you heard all the noise and [TS]

01:08:23 ◼   ► the chaos I cannot imagine that the [TS]

01:08:29 ◼   ► people who were getting paid big big [TS]

01:08:30 ◼   ► dollars to do this had the the [TS]

01:08:36 ◼   ► cleverness I guess to say that's done I [TS]

01:08:39 ◼   ► see you know because they because I [TS]

01:08:43 ◼   ► would assume that they would be trying [TS]

01:08:45 ◼   ► to justify their enormous salaries by [TS]

01:08:47 ◼   ► saying let's do this 50 times until you [TS]

01:08:50 ◼   ► get it right and that's the somewhere in [TS]

01:08:55 ◼   ► the chain either Ben Shepard was like [TS]

01:08:57 ◼   ► that's perfect I'm not doing it again [TS]

01:08:59 ◼   ► which requires either tremendous [TS]

01:09:02 ◼   ► confidence from him or tremendous fuck [TS]

01:09:04 ◼   ► you a tude or the producer heard it and [TS]

01:09:08 ◼   ► was like I wouldn't change a thing which [TS]

01:09:10 ◼   ► is super smart or like crazy smart or [TS]

01:09:14 ◼   ► Chris Cornell is like nope that's our [TS]

01:09:17 ◼   ► sound I mean somewhere somebody made a [TS]

01:09:19 ◼   ► stand for that bass line I guess is what [TS]

01:09:21 ◼   ► I'm saying yeah I see SM and I don't see [TS]