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Cortex 52: CORTEK - WWDC 2017

 

00:00:00   I finally did it would you do we're in [TS]

00:00:02   the same place we're working on [TS]

00:00:04   something together in the same place [TS]

00:00:06   it's really uncomfortable because Mike [TS]

00:00:08   is looking directly into my eyes where [TS]

00:00:10   are Sam I gonna look well you do this [TS]

00:00:12   when you record in person for the [TS]

00:00:14   listeners I'm looking to the side of the [TS]

00:00:15   room I'm not looking directly at the mic [TS]

00:00:17   well I don't you didn't know this before [TS]

00:00:19   we started buying we'll be locking eyes [TS]

00:00:21   of you for the next two hours oh I think [TS]

00:00:24   I'm not sure what I've agreed to this [TS]

00:00:25   are you really good look no I don't know [TS]

00:00:27   okay thank God because it's really weird [TS]

00:00:29   there will be times where I'm gonna like [TS]

00:00:31   right now I'm looking at you but I'm not [TS]

00:00:32   gonna look at you for the whole time [TS]

00:00:33   okay I appreciate that I'm looking down [TS]

00:00:35   now thank you [TS]

00:00:36   rat WWC again we are but last year you [TS]

00:00:40   made me record in a hotel room and you [TS]

00:00:43   were in your hotel room and we use Skype [TS]

00:00:45   yes that's true this year [TS]

00:00:47   hmm you suggested why don't we record in [TS]

00:00:49   person I didn't suggest it I feel like [TS]

00:00:52   he did I didn't I didn't suggest it you [TS]

00:00:54   suggested it okay and here's the thing I [TS]

00:00:57   agreed because I have a lot of audio [TS]

00:00:59   equipment in my room right now that I [TS]

00:01:00   really didn't want to go in box ah that [TS]

00:01:03   makes sense okay for the button on me [TS]

00:01:05   last year I was all set to go and I was [TS]

00:01:08   thinking oh I think shows a better if [TS]

00:01:09   you record separately mm-hmm but this [TS]

00:01:11   year I just didn't really feel like [TS]

00:01:13   unboxing all of these boxes so here we [TS]

00:01:16   are together in the same room if you [TS]

00:01:18   thought about the potential issue if you [TS]

00:01:22   really enjoy this no we would have to [TS]

00:01:26   record in person all the time well [TS]

00:01:28   that's fine okay you can you can come [TS]

00:01:30   out to me every every time we record a [TS]

00:01:32   show to your office uh no I uh I can [TS]

00:01:35   have a rental space the recording studio [TS]

00:01:37   you get on several recordings yeah we [TS]

00:01:38   can have we can have a central London [TS]

00:01:40   cortex recording studio okay but I don't [TS]

00:01:43   I don't think this is going to happen [TS]

00:01:44   Mike [TS]

00:01:44   okay well we'll say you never know you [TS]

00:01:46   might like it I don't know I'm feeling [TS]

00:01:47   very uncomfortable right now would you [TS]

00:01:49   like to turn around I am very surprised [TS]

00:01:53   that we're looking at each of a face to [TS]

00:01:55   face I did consider I did consider why [TS]

00:01:58   are you shaking your head it would have [TS]

00:01:59   been so ridiculous I Steve consider us [TS]

00:02:01   facing in opposite directions in the [TS]

00:02:03   same room but I thought let me try not [TS]

00:02:05   to be a burden upon other people well [TS]

00:02:07   all the time I would be turning around [TS]

00:02:09   to look at you think what's he up to [TS]

00:02:12   over there [TS]

00:02:13   thinking well I just like I'd say [TS]

00:02:15   something you know I turn around about [TS]

00:02:16   what do you think but that wouldn't make [TS]

00:02:19   any sense that wouldn't make any sense [TS]

00:02:20   now [TS]

00:02:20   no so I mentioned it but we're in we're [TS]

00:02:24   in San Jose the WTC so we recorded last [TS]

00:02:26   year at the BW C in San Francisco yeah [TS]

00:02:29   so this is Apple's developer conference [TS]

00:02:31   and we just come here to hang out right [TS]

00:02:33   we have like a bunch of friends who [TS]

00:02:34   attend the conference and there's a lot [TS]

00:02:36   of periphery events and we were doing [TS]

00:02:37   some stuff a relay FM and what do you [TS]

00:02:39   think is San Jose well I'm really glad [TS]

00:02:43   because last year I wasn't I wasn't a [TS]

00:02:45   hundred percent sure if I was going to [TS]

00:02:46   go to WWDC and I ended up just sort of [TS]

00:02:51   going to see the thing and now I am [TS]

00:02:53   doubly glad that I went last year [TS]

00:02:55   because I have a frame of reference to [TS]

00:02:57   compare the last San Francisco WWDC to [TS]

00:03:01   the now San Jose WWDC that everybody's [TS]

00:03:05   talking about what are all the [TS]

00:03:07   differences mm-hmm and I would have felt [TS]

00:03:08   very left out of 40% of the [TS]

00:03:11   conversations about how San Jose is [TS]

00:03:13   different from San Francisco so I'm [TS]

00:03:15   super glad that I went to the one last [TS]

00:03:17   year just for the comparison for this [TS]

00:03:18   year I mean in many ways I have no [TS]

00:03:23   business being here I'm not here as a [TS]

00:03:26   developer so I have a very different [TS]

00:03:28   perspective on it but my feeling from [TS]

00:03:31   what I've seen is it seems like San Jose [TS]

00:03:33   is a total win for the conference on [TS]

00:03:36   almost every single metric and then [TS]

00:03:39   there's one metric that everybody agrees [TS]

00:03:41   it's not a win on and that's not a [TS]

00:03:42   metric I care about so for me it's it's [TS]

00:03:44   ticking 10 out of 10 boxes for better [TS]

00:03:47   location than San Francisco yeah the [TS]

00:03:49   metric that I'm assuming you don't care [TS]

00:03:51   about is that Boz don't open his light [TS]

00:03:53   yeah bars closed early restaurants [TS]

00:03:55   closed early and on all the [TS]

00:03:57   conversations everybody's complaining [TS]

00:03:58   about it and I'm sitting there secretly [TS]

00:04:00   thinking yes like I get an excuse to go [TS]

00:04:03   to bed yeah or like it pushes us into [TS]

00:04:05   more reasonable more quiet locations [TS]

00:04:07   that's true [TS]

00:04:08   oh no we can't be at a loud bar until [TS]

00:04:11   1:00 in the morning oh what a shame cuz [TS]

00:04:13   I actually chicken plus column so I [TS]

00:04:16   think it's great yeah I think I spent [TS]

00:04:18   more time in the hotel bar then than I [TS]

00:04:21   would usually and until I do actually [TS]

00:04:22   groove you like last night there was [TS]

00:04:24   some kind of rowdy party [TS]

00:04:27   in the hotel boss we came back from like [TS]

00:04:29   a meal and we come into the hotel and [TS]

00:04:31   there were just these two groups the [TS]

00:04:33   table was about eight people and on them [TS]

00:04:34   and they were just shouting each other [TS]

00:04:36   like just just at the top of their [TS]

00:04:38   voices nothing was happening but these [TS]

00:04:40   people were just shouting alone [TS]

00:04:41   Oh anything to do with this so we will [TS]

00:04:43   so we will just bundled into my hotel [TS]

00:04:45   room and just sat around Chang and it [TS]

00:04:47   was like eight of us for a while we're [TS]

00:04:48   just hanging out and that was way nicer [TS]

00:04:49   because that's what you know that's what [TS]

00:04:51   I like and and one of the things about a [TS]

00:04:53   lot of these conferences is really what [TS]

00:04:55   you want to do is just hang out with the [TS]

00:04:58   people and talk to your friends because [TS]

00:05:00   not only we catching up there's also [TS]

00:05:01   just a lot to talk about this week [TS]

00:05:03   hooray and everybody's sharing things [TS]

00:05:05   that they found out and pieces of [TS]

00:05:06   information and like experiences so [TS]

00:05:08   people just want to do that but those [TS]

00:05:10   places are usually where alcohol is [TS]

00:05:13   served and where bars are and the stuff [TS]

00:05:15   like so it gets a bit tricky like it [TS]

00:05:17   reminds me whenever we set up meetup so [TS]

00:05:19   we didn't meet up here and I've done a [TS]

00:05:20   few in London now I always have to spend [TS]

00:05:23   extra time explaining to the bar or or [TS]

00:05:26   the venue that we're in that I want the [TS]

00:05:29   lights on and no music and they can't [TS]

00:05:32   understand why what they think it's [TS]

00:05:34   going to be a party right would want [TS]

00:05:36   that and like people just can be talking [TS]

00:05:38   to each other like music makes it worse [TS]

00:05:39   not a party we don't we don't want music [TS]

00:05:42   please them music but I agree like this [TS]

00:05:45   is a vastly superior location than [TS]

00:05:48   downtown San Francisco for an event like [TS]

00:05:51   this basically for WWDC the majority of [TS]

00:05:55   attendees in the majority of people that [TS]

00:05:57   are coming to attend periphery events [TS]

00:06:00   like me and you we don't leave like a [TS]

00:06:03   four five block radius of the hotel on [TS]

00:06:06   the convention centre and that area of [TS]

00:06:09   San Francisco as we discussed last time [TS]

00:06:11   it's not organized part of San Francisco [TS]

00:06:14   no and I mean I don't know how did this [TS]

00:06:17   this five block radius of downtown San [TS]

00:06:20   Jose compares to the rest of San Jose [TS]

00:06:22   but it is vastly superior to that of San [TS]

00:06:25   Francisco there's again that there are [TS]

00:06:28   food options there aren't as many there [TS]

00:06:30   are bar options there aren't as many [TS]

00:06:32   none of them are open is late but it [TS]

00:06:34   works out just fine like it I know why [TS]

00:06:38   people have been looking for those [TS]

00:06:39   things but [TS]

00:06:40   iq I'm really good with what we've had [TS]

00:06:43   and there's a nice little coffee place [TS]

00:06:45   near our hotel and you know it's been [TS]

00:06:47   really nice and I feel like I can walk [TS]

00:06:49   around the streets and not worry about [TS]

00:06:51   things like I do when I'm in San [TS]

00:06:53   Francisco so I mean I think that's [TS]

00:06:55   everything has been a big win oh yeah [TS]

00:06:57   yeah and when you go to these places it [TS]

00:07:00   is a thing that I'm very where you're [TS]

00:07:02   judging a city on a three block radius [TS]

00:07:05   yep Raisa oh yes San Jose I know the [TS]

00:07:08   whole city I know three streets right [TS]

00:07:11   but it's like that that is the entire [TS]

00:07:12   perspective but the reality of it is [TS]

00:07:14   that is the conference world [TS]

00:07:16   so those streets matter a lot and you [TS]

00:07:20   know we're where we were in in San [TS]

00:07:22   Francisco and where the conference was [TS]

00:07:23   those those streets were an apocalypse [TS]

00:07:26   yeah they were terribly there I'm sure [TS]

00:07:28   there are plenty of lovely areas of San [TS]

00:07:30   Francisco I've been to them but the the [TS]

00:07:32   place that the conference was it made [TS]

00:07:34   San Francisco seem like a dystopian [TS]

00:07:36   hellscape yes it's like there's a bunch [TS]

00:07:38   of lovely places in San Francisco but [TS]

00:07:41   you're either gonna be staying like a 20 [TS]

00:07:44   minute journey away from where everybody [TS]

00:07:46   is or go or like everyone's gonna have [TS]

00:07:49   to pile into taxis and go out for any [TS]

00:07:51   dinner like it doesn't work it's just [TS]

00:07:54   where the venues are and the convention [TS]

00:07:56   took the area around the convention [TS]

00:07:58   centers here and there are just [TS]

00:08:00   populated differently yeah and the [TS]

00:08:02   tightness of the radius adds to the [TS]

00:08:05   experience because it dramatically [TS]

00:08:07   increases the probability of running [TS]

00:08:08   into people which is which is nice which [TS]

00:08:10   I also think is an additional benefit of [TS]

00:08:12   San Jose is it really does feel like [TS]

00:08:15   WWDC has descended on this area which [TS]

00:08:21   was population wise much smaller than [TS]

00:08:24   the same block radius in San Francisco [TS]

00:08:26   and I have had the experience numerous [TS]

00:08:28   times of walking between the various [TS]

00:08:31   hotels because I'm on my way to go see a [TS]

00:08:33   thing or go meet a person and while [TS]

00:08:35   doing that bumping into somebody else [TS]

00:08:37   and being able to say hi quickly yeah [TS]

00:08:39   and that's really nice like that's such [TS]

00:08:41   a nice experience that it almost makes [TS]

00:08:44   it like a like a faux college campus for [TS]

00:08:47   a brief period of time which is great [TS]

00:08:49   like that that's that's what you want [TS]

00:08:51   for this kind of experience [TS]

00:08:53   oh I have I have chance random [TS]

00:08:55   encounters with people that I know or [TS]

00:08:57   yeah I've just met and it's very nice [TS]

00:08:59   WWC is completely taken over at like san [TS]

00:09:02   francisco takes the conference in its [TS]

00:09:05   stride yes it's like it doesn't make a [TS]

00:09:07   difference because there's always a [TS]

00:09:08   conference or there's always something [TS]

00:09:10   yeah I was really aware of that feeling [TS]

00:09:11   in San Francisco of walking out of the [TS]

00:09:13   hotel and standing on the street and [TS]

00:09:15   feeling like I have been absorbed into a [TS]

00:09:18   metropolis of San Francisco and the [TS]

00:09:21   probability of bumping into someone was [TS]

00:09:23   very low I think the number of times I [TS]

00:09:24   bumped into someone on the street from [TS]

00:09:26   the conference in San Francisco was [TS]

00:09:27   maybe once or twice at most in the whole [TS]

00:09:31   the whole time that I was there I think [TS]

00:09:32   it's changing the mindset well I was all [TS]

00:09:34   those people were also there you don't [TS]

00:09:38   pay attention to people as they're [TS]

00:09:39   walking around because Deb just Joe [TS]

00:09:42   Schmo going to see Alcatraz right yes [TS]

00:09:45   yes the other thing that I think helps [TS]

00:09:47   with that feeling is I don't I don't [TS]

00:09:50   know if I just tuned into it less in San [TS]

00:09:52   Francisco but it feels like the [TS]

00:09:53   developers have these really [TS]

00:09:54   identifiable jackets okay so there are [TS]

00:09:56   jackets every year but the jackets this [TS]

00:09:59   year are more they stand out a lot more [TS]

00:10:02   yeah they really do they have that they [TS]

00:10:04   have these really the very cool-looking [TS]

00:10:06   black Jean that Levi's jacket so Levi's [TS]

00:10:09   denim jackets with which Apple kind of [TS]

00:10:12   branded with WWDC 17 on them like [TS]

00:10:15   previously they were these kind of like [TS]

00:10:16   hoodie type things big numbers on the [TS]

00:10:18   back so they're actually in theory more [TS]

00:10:20   noticeable because it was people who [TS]

00:10:22   known as huge numbers on their back but [TS]

00:10:24   they were so nondescript that you kind [TS]

00:10:27   of were playing them out I can't even [TS]

00:10:28   remember what they look like but I feel [TS]

00:10:30   like these jackets are super [TS]

00:10:31   distinguishable and then a plus that I [TS]

00:10:34   really like is it is I've heard from the [TS]

00:10:36   people who have been inside the [TS]

00:10:37   conference that they're able to do some [TS]

00:10:40   kind of scavenger hunt for all of these [TS]

00:10:41   pins they get on the jackets and I find [TS]

00:10:44   I find my brain really Tunes into these [TS]

00:10:47   little pins like a little swift pin or a [TS]

00:10:49   smiley pin it seems like there's some [TS]

00:10:50   kind of scavenger hunt going on and what [TS]

00:10:53   I think this is great for just just an [TS]

00:10:54   idea for a conference I think that is a [TS]

00:10:57   genius conversation starter because you [TS]

00:11:00   have the thing where you can identify ah [TS]

00:11:02   here's the jacket the person's at the [TS]

00:11:03   same thing and it gives you an in with [TS]

00:11:06   almost every [TS]

00:11:07   you want to be able to say oh what did [TS]

00:11:09   you get that pin for they're also [TS]

00:11:11   encouraging like it does encourage [TS]

00:11:13   swapping and trading hmm WWC this year [TS]

00:11:16   again so just from talking to people who [TS]

00:11:18   have been inside and/or standing at the [TS]

00:11:21   outside of the Convention Center past [TS]

00:11:23   the barriers and longingly looking at [TS]

00:11:25   the Convention Center [TS]

00:11:26   that's been my experiences so far yeah [TS]

00:11:28   but before we started recording I was [TS]

00:11:30   telling Mike that the saddest I have [TS]

00:11:31   been so far was on keno morning I [TS]

00:11:34   thought I just arrived in the city and I [TS]

00:11:36   thought oh I'm gonna go look and see [TS]

00:11:38   what the conference center looks like [TS]

00:11:39   and I went out there to take a look and [TS]

00:11:42   I just felt like the saddest excluded [TS]

00:11:45   person on the outside because I have no [TS]

00:11:48   badge and then two to top it off I'm [TS]

00:11:50   looking at who the conference center [TS]

00:11:51   looks amazing and this is huge exciting [TS]

00:11:53   line and as I'm standing there looking [TS]

00:11:55   on the line like my friends start waving [TS]

00:11:57   to me from the cool insider part and I [TS]

00:11:59   was just like it might it the skies [TS]

00:12:01   might as well have opened up and rained [TS]

00:12:02   down upon just me and that well no [TS]

00:12:05   colors right down this that is 100% how [TS]

00:12:09   I felt in that moment I was like oh I'm [TS]

00:12:12   so sad but so yes that is our experience [TS]

00:12:16   from outside the conference yeah but [TS]

00:12:18   it's it's it's more festively yeah that [TS]

00:12:20   that is exactly it it feels like there [TS]

00:12:22   is this festival throughout the whole [TS]

00:12:24   thing people are engaged in all of these [TS]

00:12:26   different activities all of the [TS]

00:12:28   peripheral conferences are literally [TS]

00:12:31   next door or just across the street [TS]

00:12:33   yep so you can pop between different [TS]

00:12:35   different things it's been really great [TS]

00:12:36   it's really fun I think even if someone [TS]

00:12:39   who's not directly participating it the [TS]

00:12:42   collectible pins are a genius idea that [TS]

00:12:45   other conferences should totally pick up [TS]

00:12:47   on as a way to encourage communication [TS]

00:12:51   and recognizability among conference [TS]

00:12:53   attendees so I've been to a conference [TS]

00:12:55   that did this and I actually think this [TS]

00:12:57   is the conference that inspired Apple to [TS]

00:12:59   do this so the last xoxo in Portland [TS]

00:13:02   when you checked in they gave you three [TS]

00:13:05   pin badges but there were like 12 hmm [TS]

00:13:08   and if you found one you wanted they [TS]

00:13:11   were couraging pin exchange and they [TS]

00:13:13   were like on the slack and never like an [TS]

00:13:15   xoxo slack for attendees they had like a [TS]

00:13:17   whole room for like pin swapping and the [TS]

00:13:20   pins are so [TS]

00:13:21   reminiscent because there's these enamel [TS]

00:13:22   pens and all these colors I think that [TS]

00:13:25   they might have like cryptic idea from [TS]

00:13:26   there but it's great it's a great one [TS]

00:13:28   yeah whoever came up with say XOXO came [TS]

00:13:30   up with it it's a great it's fantastic [TS]

00:13:31   because it's like you'll see someone and [TS]

00:13:34   be like oh hey I love your pen but I [TS]

00:13:36   love that one and you swap in your chat [TS]

00:13:37   it's like it's a nice thing and if you [TS]

00:13:39   say like there is basically there were [TS]

00:13:40   certain events certain talks or sessions [TS]

00:13:44   as Apple calls them that if you went to [TS]

00:13:46   them you were given a bow down so like [TS]

00:13:49   and it was also I think it's a way for [TS]

00:13:51   them to encourage attendance like there [TS]

00:13:54   was a special badge for the [TS]

00:13:55   accessibility sessions [TS]

00:13:57   oh gee okay that is total genius right [TS]

00:13:59   it was either the session or the labs [TS]

00:14:01   you in the labs you go and talk to the [TS]

00:14:03   engineers so they can give you advice on [TS]

00:14:05   it so if you went and participated in [TS]

00:14:07   that so to help people who have [TS]

00:14:09   different disabilities use your [TS]

00:14:11   applications they will give you a pin [TS]

00:14:14   that is that is so smart [TS]

00:14:16   I've been aware talking to some okay so [TS]

00:14:18   here's the thing that use the thing that [TS]

00:14:20   I would just never normally do because [TS]

00:14:22   everybody is so recognizable and because [TS]

00:14:24   of the pins I have on occasion struck up [TS]

00:14:28   conversations just very briefly in the [TS]

00:14:29   elevator right which is the thing like I [TS]

00:14:31   would never do but it's like it's [TS]

00:14:34   begging you to do it and some of the [TS]

00:14:35   pins are really interesting and so I've [TS]

00:14:38   just said like oh what you know what was [TS]

00:14:39   out in where'd you get it from and I've [TS]

00:14:40   been aware that there's that some of [TS]

00:14:42   them seem rarer than others yeah but I [TS]

00:14:44   didn't realize tying it to session [TS]

00:14:47   attendants is an is like another great [TS]

00:14:50   reason to do that to encourage people I [TS]

00:14:52   guess we want as many people to just [TS]

00:14:54   come to the accessibility session so [TS]

00:14:56   that they're aware of what exists that [TS]

00:14:58   is a really great it's really great and [TS]

00:15:00   if you think like a conference like this [TS]

00:15:02   there's so much standing in lines you [TS]

00:15:04   know you're lining up for everything [TS]

00:15:05   having an ability to be able to turn [TS]

00:15:08   around and culture someone is great [TS]

00:15:09   because so many people come on their own [TS]

00:15:10   or like they know people that are here [TS]

00:15:13   were on inside right right like I have I [TS]

00:15:17   know a bunch of people like I know who [TS]

00:15:21   they are like with their friends but [TS]

00:15:22   they don't know anybody inside right or [TS]

00:15:24   like I spoken to a bunch of people in [TS]

00:15:26   the same way right like that none of [TS]

00:15:27   their co-workers got tickets just them [TS]

00:15:29   so they're going in and like it seems [TS]

00:15:31   like I mean it seems like it's nice in [TS]

00:15:33   there I would [TS]

00:15:34   no we don't get to go in but it looks [TS]

00:15:37   like it enables people to talk to each [TS]

00:15:39   other in the inner in a fun way and I [TS]

00:15:41   think that's really good yeah I do think [TS]

00:15:43   that's really good but Monday you [TS]

00:15:45   mentioned the keynote so it was quite a [TS]

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00:16:46   it out you just take it out of the [TS]

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00:17:33   their support of this show we watched [TS]

00:17:36   the keynote together which you got to [TS]

00:17:39   see me scream in a bunch I think with [TS]

00:17:40   was something that you experienced yeah [TS]

00:17:43   there was excitement all around on all [TS]

00:17:46   sides it was it was [TS]

00:17:47   really fun I think again to to compare [TS]

00:17:50   the experience last year versus this [TS]

00:17:52   year I really really like going WDC last [TS]

00:17:55   year I felt like we had a very very [TS]

00:17:59   great time watching the keynote last [TS]

00:18:03   year at the Twitter headquarters it was [TS]

00:18:05   awesome to be invited to that and it was [TS]

00:18:07   super fucker that was the first time I [TS]

00:18:08   had ever had the experience of watching [TS]

00:18:11   a keynote not by myself I hate the other [TS]

00:18:15   ones watching the other ones no because [TS]

00:18:18   when the WWC I've lost like four years [TS]

00:18:21   we'll watch the keynote with other [TS]

00:18:22   people someone like the iPhone event [TS]

00:18:24   comes around and I'm just sitting in my [TS]

00:18:26   living room with Tim Cook on the TV it's [TS]

00:18:28   so boring [TS]

00:18:29   oh is it like the WDC stuff I always [TS]

00:18:32   watch on my own but the iPhone keynote [TS]

00:18:35   event my wife is always very interested [TS]

00:18:37   in that and so we least watch it [TS]

00:18:40   together yeah and she's very excited so [TS]

00:18:43   I know I always feel like oh we watched [TS]

00:18:44   the iPhone event together it's all pour [TS]

00:18:47   a glass of wine like we'll sit back and [TS]

00:18:48   now impress us apples show us your magic [TS]

00:18:51   is so I have a very nice association [TS]

00:18:53   with that one with the WWDC one for the [TS]

00:18:55   past many years it's always been like oh [TS]

00:18:57   I'm just a sad nerd on my own watching [TS]

00:19:00   it so tell me about API yes well the API [TS]

00:19:03   slide went by so quickly I'll have to [TS]

00:19:05   wait for the technical yeah yeah yeah it [TS]

00:19:10   was like it was it was really it was [TS]

00:19:12   really interesting and a very [TS]

00:19:13   interesting experience to watch it last [TS]

00:19:14   year at Twitter in a room full of I [TS]

00:19:16   don't know must been 50 people that was [TS]

00:19:18   a love yeah there was a lot of people [TS]

00:19:19   there that great food oh my god yes I [TS]

00:19:23   swear I swear Twitter if you're [TS]

00:19:25   listening I still think about your [TS]

00:19:26   breakfast burritos I rely real everyone [TS]

00:19:29   so I'll just remember like that [TS]

00:19:30   breakfast burrito at Twitter so good if [TS]

00:19:32   I remember you are a roof strict carb [TS]

00:19:34   diet at that point ever you were just [TS]

00:19:35   like it's going out of the window today [TS]

00:19:37   yeah that that was it was too good it [TS]

00:19:40   was too good to pass on but so that [TS]

00:19:41   again it's it's great this year to have [TS]

00:19:43   a mental comparison because this this [TS]

00:19:45   year was a very different experience [TS]

00:19:46   because there were I don't know what [TS]

00:19:48   eight of us those eight of us eight of [TS]

00:19:50   us in a hotel room watching it and [TS]

00:19:52   obviously were people who have come to [TS]

00:19:55   WDC we're all really interested really [TS]

00:19:57   invested in what's happening and that [TS]

00:19:59   felt like another whole very great way [TS]

00:20:01   to watch the keynote with a smaller [TS]

00:20:03   group of friends and also because you [TS]

00:20:07   know everybody in that room you know [TS]

00:20:08   what particular people care about or [TS]

00:20:11   interest about so even in some of the [TS]

00:20:13   sections where I'm less interested it [TS]

00:20:15   was still fun to see the reactions of my [TS]

00:20:16   friends who I know like Oh for them the [TS]

00:20:19   Mack section like there they're really [TS]

00:20:20   interested in what's happening here and [TS]

00:20:22   and like I didn't come into this with [TS]

00:20:24   big hopes with that so it's like I [TS]

00:20:26   really enjoyed having those different [TS]

00:20:28   perspectives live in the room so it was [TS]

00:20:30   really it was really fun it was really [TS]

00:20:31   fun yeah and also in those scenarios [TS]

00:20:34   when it's just a group of friends like [TS]

00:20:36   I'm more willing to show my true [TS]

00:20:37   emotions right then it's like I'm in an [TS]

00:20:40   office of it some big company right [TS]

00:20:42   there was no whooping and hollering at [TS]

00:20:45   the Twitter headquarters because you [TS]

00:20:46   have to pretend like you're super cool [TS]

00:20:47   in front of Twitter you sit back you're [TS]

00:20:49   like oh yeah thing is there's this was a [TS]

00:20:52   much more whooping and hollering year I [TS]

00:20:54   think than last year I think one of the [TS]

00:20:57   funny things about last year's WWDC I [TS]

00:20:59   mean we did a big event that big live [TS]

00:21:02   event that we did mm-hmm and we recorded [TS]

00:21:04   a show and I remember the whole time I'm [TS]

00:21:06   like okay whatever they talk about is [TS]

00:21:08   what I'm gonna hell I'm gonna plan out [TS]

00:21:09   the content and there wasn't really a [TS]

00:21:12   lot you know like the plan initially was [TS]

00:21:15   for me and you to talk about whatever [TS]

00:21:16   happened to the iPad right nothing [TS]

00:21:18   happened yeah so it was it was a kind of [TS]

00:21:22   an underwhelming WWDC last year like it [TS]

00:21:24   there wasn't there was some cool stuff [TS]

00:21:26   like I still use in like stickers I [TS]

00:21:28   think it was a good addition but that [TS]

00:21:29   was like the biggest thing that was [TS]

00:21:31   there headlining feature but for like [TS]

00:21:33   consumers were just these changes to [TS]

00:21:34   iMessage but this year is like [TS]

00:21:37   everything everything everyone got their [TS]

00:21:40   thing this year yeah like there is [TS]

00:21:42   nothing going into the reader BC there [TS]

00:21:44   is nothing that I wanted that they [TS]

00:21:46   didn't address in some way here's here's [TS]

00:21:49   my feeling of what they managed to pull [TS]

00:21:52   off at this WWDC like every everybody in [TS]

00:21:55   the world went into the this hall to [TS]

00:21:57   watch to see Tim Cook came on stage and [TS]

00:22:00   said look under your chair everyone [TS]

00:22:02   there's a box for you and you could [TS]

00:22:04   reach under your chair and you could [TS]

00:22:05   open the box and there was something [TS]

00:22:07   just for you in the box for everyone in [TS]

00:22:10   that in that theater so that's what they [TS]

00:22:12   managed to pull off like there was [TS]

00:22:14   nobody [TS]

00:22:14   who [TS]

00:22:15   who didn't get something that felt like [TS]

00:22:17   this is the thing you're waiting for or [TS]

00:22:20   the thing that you want to hear about so [TS]

00:22:22   very very aggressive keynote like I had [TS]

00:22:25   some things that were on my total wish [TS]

00:22:29   list mm-hmm like Apple embracing VR [TS]

00:22:32   mm-hmm like oh man [TS]

00:22:34   yeah I had no expectations honestly for [TS]

00:22:37   that to ever happen I thought that [TS]

00:22:39   they've missed the boat on it mm-hmm and [TS]

00:22:40   you know and I've been talking to some [TS]

00:22:42   people who know their stuff and people [TS]

00:22:45   have been tweeting at me to kind of give [TS]

00:22:46   me information about like some of the [TS]

00:22:48   graphic stuff that they're using and [TS]

00:22:49   again as you would expect it's nowhere [TS]

00:22:51   near top-of-the-line mm but it for me [TS]

00:22:54   it's the it's just that Apple or [TS]

00:22:58   understanding that VR is something the [TS]

00:23:01   Mac should be able to do yeah and [TS]

00:23:02   they're starting to make machines that [TS]

00:23:04   are powerful enough to cope with it [TS]

00:23:06   mm-hmm that's what I want I mean I've [TS]

00:23:09   been recently like we were talking about [TS]

00:23:10   the Corsair recently and I've been just [TS]

00:23:14   like thinking well I gotta do but now [TS]

00:23:16   and now I just think if I just wait a [TS]

00:23:18   little bit longer I don't think I don't [TS]

00:23:20   think the iMac Pro is for me mm-hmm [TS]

00:23:24   but like I'm just kind of keeping my eye [TS]

00:23:26   on things that there are these external [TS]

00:23:27   GPUs that they're working with and this [TS]

00:23:30   may be this Mac Pro in 2018 like maybe [TS]

00:23:33   some one one combination or not these [TS]

00:23:35   machines could be all I need for decent [TS]

00:23:39   gaming VR my Mac yeah yeah the the VR [TS]

00:23:43   thing I also agree felt totally out of [TS]

00:23:45   left field yes in an already very packed [TS]

00:23:49   keynote and a thing that they gave a [TS]

00:23:52   bunch of time to and I love that they [TS]

00:23:54   did the VR demo on the regular IMAX yeah [TS]

00:23:58   like I was good they weren't they [TS]

00:23:59   weren't showing off like oh we have a [TS]

00:24:01   pre-production I'm Mac Pro on stage and [TS]

00:24:03   we're going to give you a demo VR demo [TS]

00:24:05   with our $5,000 machine is I know our [TS]

00:24:09   next generation of regular IMAX can do [TS]

00:24:12   VR and I found that totally surprising [TS]

00:24:15   and and really very welcome as I was [TS]

00:24:19   watching it happen for like a feeling of [TS]

00:24:20   just relief like just like we have had [TS]

00:24:22   the conversation about VR and you have [TS]

00:24:24   always very much been pushing this [TS]

00:24:26   feeling of like I think they're missing [TS]

00:24:27   the boat on this [TS]

00:24:28   that that they're not placing a bet on [TS]

00:24:30   the table and I too didn't expect they'd [TS]

00:24:32   even address it but twos to see it done [TS]

00:24:35   in such a way to given time and I also [TS]

00:24:37   thought very interestingly done in a [TS]

00:24:39   done in a way that's a demo about [TS]

00:24:41   working in VR as opposed to yeah gaming [TS]

00:24:44   in VR they aren't talking about making [TS]

00:24:46   stuff hmm as opposed to playing games [TS]

00:24:49   but the fact that they have support for [TS]

00:24:53   the two two largest game engines and [TS]

00:24:55   steam is that with their games apart of [TS]

00:24:57   this yeah but like Apple is they're [TS]

00:24:59   focusing more on the creation of 3d [TS]

00:25:02   content right now because there are no [TS]

00:25:05   games that can run right so I think [TS]

00:25:07   that's why they're like oh make your [TS]

00:25:09   games is kind of what they're saying [TS]

00:25:10   yeah because that's the message because [TS]

00:25:12   you can't take a current game and just [TS]

00:25:14   start playing it so that I think they're [TS]

00:25:16   pitching it right but I I think people [TS]

00:25:19   are getting a little bit too hung up on [TS]

00:25:21   the verbage to apples using VR is gaming [TS]

00:25:26   and if they're not doing that then [TS]

00:25:27   they're crazy and they are doing that [TS]

00:25:29   it's a clear zone they put a steam slide [TS]

00:25:31   up like it's gaming yeah but there's [TS]

00:25:33   just no games even if in many ways was a [TS]

00:25:36   demo out of necessity I still think it [TS]

00:25:39   was a very Apple II demo to focus on [TS]

00:25:42   creation that oh that always feels like [TS]

00:25:45   one of the the bullet points that they [TS]

00:25:47   want to hit with other products and [TS]

00:25:49   their services is look at how we can [TS]

00:25:51   enable you to create things and so if in [TS]

00:25:56   in a year or two they may be able to [TS]

00:25:58   demo an amazing VR game on the Mac but I [TS]

00:26:01   can imagine them continuing that theme [TS]

00:26:03   of liking to show off what you can make [TS]

00:26:06   in VR yeah as opposed to just doing a [TS]

00:26:08   graphics demo they really don't em in [TS]

00:26:11   there as a company they have games as [TS]

00:26:13   games on their platforms they are not a [TS]

00:26:14   games company like this is the thing [TS]

00:26:16   about Apple I think it's really funny [TS]

00:26:17   when they say on stage something like oh [TS]

00:26:19   we're the biggest gaming company in the [TS]

00:26:21   world because of the iPhone and the FS [TS]

00:26:23   like like yeah by default [TS]

00:26:26   yeah it's exactly by default you are but [TS]

00:26:29   you're not really no you just you let [TS]

00:26:32   these games exist on your platform but [TS]

00:26:34   you're not building controllers or all [TS]

00:26:36   click you're not a gaming company in in [TS]

00:26:38   the way Nintendo is a gaming company [TS]

00:26:40   I mean this is like even like apples [TS]

00:26:42   back-end systems are just not built for [TS]

00:26:44   the way that game development work like [TS]

00:26:45   that it's just not budget because they [TS]

00:26:48   have the largest software distribution [TS]

00:26:49   platform in the world right so people [TS]

00:26:51   just keep putting games out on the [TS]

00:26:53   system anyway right right because this [TS]

00:26:55   is like a billion devices [TS]

00:26:56   yeah something crazy right so it's like [TS]

00:26:58   it you know it's similar to Android but [TS]

00:27:01   there are many differences yes right and [TS]

00:27:03   and I think that it's like they talk [TS]

00:27:05   about games and they have games but then [TS]

00:27:08   gaming company yeah no they're not [TS]

00:27:09   they're not in their sole gaming come on [TS]

00:27:12   it's like oh I guess we just sell games [TS]

00:27:14   now too [TS]

00:27:14   that's kind of how they kind of stumbled [TS]

00:27:16   into it but I'm really happy like more [TS]

00:27:19   powerful Max is a good thing right and [TS]

00:27:21   the ability to do vr gaming is a good [TS]

00:27:24   thing yeah it's a really good thing but [TS]

00:27:26   of course the biggest the biggest stuff [TS]

00:27:28   for me and you was iPad right that's [TS]

00:27:31   what we were looking for I mean it was [TS]

00:27:32   the make or break yeah yeah for the iPad [TS]

00:27:34   because you know we've all Iowa's time [TS]

00:27:36   we got all the stuff that meant that [TS]

00:27:38   mean you could be working on our iPad [TS]

00:27:40   all day because of iOS 9 nothing [TS]

00:27:42   happened in 10 hmm and it was like wow [TS]

00:27:44   okay show us what you got and they did [TS]

00:27:48   they show us what they have and they're [TS]

00:27:52   I think maybe to like hugely fundamental [TS]

00:27:57   changes to iOS which is an exposed [TS]

00:28:01   filesystem a management of that mm-hm [TS]

00:28:04   and the way that they have adapted [TS]

00:28:06   multitasking they're basically burnt [TS]

00:28:08   multitasking down a rebuilt it and it [TS]

00:28:11   all focuses around a dock now oh and [TS]

00:28:15   drag and drop as well being the addition [TS]

00:28:17   to multitasking right yeah my head I [TS]

00:28:19   kind of roll that up with multitasking [TS]

00:28:21   yeah even though it's an incredibly [TS]

00:28:23   different thing yeah it the two of them [TS]

00:28:27   on stage look like they go so well [TS]

00:28:29   together that it's it's I find like my [TS]

00:28:31   brain is not mentally separating them [TS]

00:28:33   out as two distinct things even though [TS]

00:28:35   obviously they are exactly and the way [TS]

00:28:36   I've been hearing people talk about [TS]

00:28:38   these advancements and I agree of it [TS]

00:28:41   completely is that there's a lot of [TS]

00:28:44   people saying oh they they told the iPad [TS]

00:28:47   to be a Mac they thought that I've had [TS]

00:28:50   to be at a real computer but I think the [TS]

00:28:53   why Paul is actually done [TS]

00:28:54   is taken these fundamental tenants of [TS]

00:28:57   what it means to be a personal computer [TS]

00:29:00   boil them down to what they are at their [TS]

00:29:04   core and then built them for iOS so the [TS]

00:29:08   ability to drag and drop them easily [TS]

00:29:09   move around files and content in which [TS]

00:29:11   apps are aware of each other the ability [TS]

00:29:13   to be able to have multiple things on [TS]

00:29:16   screen at one time and the ability to be [TS]

00:29:18   able to access your files wherever you [TS]

00:29:19   want them because all of these things [TS]

00:29:21   especially drag and drop they make more [TS]

00:29:24   sense to me here than they do on my Mac [TS]

00:29:27   mmm [TS]

00:29:28   well the iPad always has the advantage [TS]

00:29:30   that you are directly manipulating the [TS]

00:29:33   thing with either your hand or with the [TS]

00:29:35   pencil and I think from a from a UI [TS]

00:29:41   designer perspective that is quite a [TS]

00:29:43   challenge to think of how do you want to [TS]

00:29:46   make something that works like that but [TS]

00:29:49   it also has the big advantage that once [TS]

00:29:51   you see someone do it and once you [TS]

00:29:52   yourself do it one or two times it's [TS]

00:29:56   like your brain can lean on it's it's [TS]

00:29:58   like muscle memory of the real world and [TS]

00:30:00   so with the drag-and-drop so like oh yes [TS]

00:30:03   of course I touch this thing and I know [TS]

00:30:05   that in it in this digital universe when [TS]

00:30:07   I touch something else like it will fly [TS]

00:30:09   to my other finger and then I can move [TS]

00:30:11   it around and you only have to do that a [TS]

00:30:13   couple of times before your brain gets [TS]

00:30:16   the metaphor yep there there isn't there [TS]

00:30:20   isn't that level of indirection of oh [TS]

00:30:24   I'm copying these files from this thing [TS]

00:30:27   and I don't see the move I just see a [TS]

00:30:30   progress bar I I think a lot of people [TS]

00:30:34   have a hard time with that and it's it's [TS]

00:30:36   why many people struggle with file [TS]

00:30:39   management on a Mac and it's why a lots [TS]

00:30:41   of people do like an iPad because they [TS]

00:30:43   don't have to use that stuff but for the [TS]

00:30:45   more pro power [TS]

00:30:47   iPad users it's very great to be able to [TS]

00:30:51   do the drag-and-drop stuff and also have [TS]

00:30:53   that feeling of oh I just it's so easy [TS]

00:30:55   because I'm just tap tap tap I can see [TS]

00:30:57   what's happening and it just it slots [TS]

00:30:59   into your brain in a in an easy way and [TS]

00:31:03   just the things that I'm learning about [TS]

00:31:05   the drag-and-drop in the way that it [TS]

00:31:06   works just so very clever [TS]

00:31:09   you know that is it's enabling and [TS]

00:31:11   keeping all that security in place but [TS]

00:31:13   it's apparently it's it's work for [TS]

00:31:15   developers but not as much as it may [TS]

00:31:17   seem to be initially and it's there's [TS]

00:31:20   been some demos are some really [TS]

00:31:21   interesting stuff about the way that [TS]

00:31:23   other applications can extract relevant [TS]

00:31:26   data so for example there's a demo that [TS]

00:31:28   Apple has been doing as part of their [TS]

00:31:30   presentations where they have the Photos [TS]

00:31:33   app and the Maps app side by side and [TS]

00:31:35   you take a photo and drop it onto the [TS]

00:31:38   maps app and it takes you to the [TS]

00:31:40   location the photo was taken ice so [TS]

00:31:43   there is all of this stuff where like [TS]

00:31:45   you as an app developer can say what [TS]

00:31:47   types of data you're looking for and [TS]

00:31:49   also what your files contain and when [TS]

00:31:53   you drag one over the other that [TS]

00:31:55   application is looking for the relevant [TS]

00:31:57   information that it can extract from any [TS]

00:31:59   file mm-hmm and then duals of it it was [TS]

00:32:02   very very clever stuff and it really [TS]

00:32:06   does feel like just a massive win mm-hmm [TS]

00:32:10   like all of the really big things that [TS]

00:32:13   we needed on the iPad have been [TS]

00:32:15   addressed yeah I would agree with that [TS]

00:32:18   and so it's it's very interesting [TS]

00:32:21   because another reason why I like being [TS]

00:32:23   physically here at WWDC is related to [TS]

00:32:26   this because when you're sitting in a [TS]

00:32:28   keynote and particularly this keynote [TS]

00:32:30   which has the magic box for everybody [TS]

00:32:32   they're running through everything [TS]

00:32:33   onstage and I swear I've never seen them [TS]

00:32:36   go through more stuff faster you know [TS]

00:32:38   those words slides that they have at the [TS]

00:32:40   end we're hilarious sometimes rather for [TS]

00:32:43   they they run through the main things [TS]

00:32:44   and they say oh we've done a bunch of [TS]

00:32:46   other stuff for iOS and they put a word [TS]

00:32:47   cloud up on the screen and they move on [TS]

00:32:49   sometimes those word clouds are up for [TS]

00:32:51   for like two seconds like we gotta keep [TS]

00:32:52   moving on and they run for two seconds [TS]

00:32:54   with many many words and we were all on [TS]

00:32:57   Twitter it's gonna did anybody catch [TS]

00:32:58   them with what was on there I need to [TS]

00:33:00   know what was I couldn't even see it for [TS]

00:33:01   two seconds um there was so much stuff [TS]

00:33:04   and when when you're seeing them demo [TS]

00:33:08   things like drag and drop on screen and [TS]

00:33:12   demoing the new versions of app [TS]

00:33:14   switching and all of this stuff [TS]

00:33:16   I'm sitting here watching it I think I [TS]

00:33:18   can see what they're doing and this [TS]

00:33:20   looks amazing [TS]

00:33:21   but there is always that part which is [TS]

00:33:25   but I don't really get it until I can [TS]

00:33:28   play around with it because you you know [TS]

00:33:31   they're showing you things under certain [TS]

00:33:32   circumstances and like they've set up [TS]

00:33:34   demos to do particular things and you [TS]

00:33:36   don't have an ability to understand how [TS]

00:33:40   does this really work in what are the [TS]

00:33:41   edge cases and so being a WWDC is [TS]

00:33:45   fantastic because as soon as that [TS]

00:33:48   keynote is over someone is going to be [TS]

00:33:51   crazy enough to load the beta of the [TS]

00:33:53   developer build right on their iPad [TS]

00:33:55   immediately and this year it was David [TS]

00:33:59   sparks who runs two podcasts if I'm [TS]

00:34:02   right on this network he does which you [TS]

00:34:05   should go listen to especially if you're [TS]

00:34:06   listening to cortex you should in [TS]

00:34:08   particular listen to free agents that he [TS]

00:34:10   does with Jason's now if you like this [TS]

00:34:12   show you will almost certainly like that [TS]

00:34:15   check I think I think so there's gonna [TS]

00:34:17   be a lot of overlap of a Venn diagram uh [TS]

00:34:20   but yeah so David sparks had that the [TS]

00:34:24   build on his iPad super fast basically [TS]

00:34:27   immediately yes yeah he must have been [TS]

00:34:29   one of the very first people in the [TS]

00:34:31   whole of the conference to get it loaded [TS]

00:34:33   and being here at WWDC then means it [TS]

00:34:39   went very shortly after the keynote has [TS]

00:34:42   happened ah he was nice enough to let me [TS]

00:34:45   play around with his iPad uh mess up [TS]

00:34:48   lots of things and and rearranging [TS]

00:34:51   leaves rearranging all of his icons [TS]

00:34:52   dragging and dropping emails and a room [TS]

00:34:55   ever how does this work bird is this [TS]

00:34:56   code what happens if I do it like oh god [TS]

00:34:59   I would never let someone touch mode [TS]

00:35:00   even though he was incredibly generous [TS]

00:35:02   oh thanks again David but we got to play [TS]

00:35:05   around with it and and that's the moment [TS]

00:35:08   where as a person trying to understand [TS]

00:35:11   what does this mean for how my workflows [TS]

00:35:13   are going to happen what does this mean [TS]

00:35:14   for the future of the way I do work on a [TS]

00:35:16   device that's deeply important to me [TS]

00:35:17   that's where the understanding comes in [TS]

00:35:19   and in the first 20 minutes of playing [TS]

00:35:23   with it I think we both have the same [TS]

00:35:24   experience of okay now that we have our [TS]

00:35:27   hands on it you start out with a bunch [TS]

00:35:28   of concerns because what [TS]

00:35:30   realizing is out of the way I do [TS]

00:35:31   everything is broken and the way I'm [TS]

00:35:34   used to managing a bunch of windows is [TS]

00:35:36   not going to work and so you start out [TS]

00:35:39   by thinking oh god I like I don't know [TS]

00:35:40   how this is going I'm not sure if this [TS]

00:35:42   is a good thing but I was very happy [TS]

00:35:45   that over the course of those 20 minutes [TS]

00:35:46   playing around I felt like okay I [TS]

00:35:49   understand we're not now focused on [TS]

00:35:52   individual apps were focused on the [TS]

00:35:54   equivalent of spaces on the Mac and [TS]

00:35:56   switching between these and playing was [TS]

00:35:58   slide over and very quickly I could see [TS]

00:36:01   how is this going to change the way I [TS]

00:36:05   work and from from that's like hey [TS]

00:36:07   something seemed a little clunky but [TS]

00:36:10   it's partly me just getting used to it [TS]

00:36:12   and I was overall very very happy at the [TS]

00:36:14   end of it feeling like this is this is [TS]

00:36:16   great like this new dock is incredibly [TS]

00:36:17   strange I don't know what's going to [TS]

00:36:18   happen there there's a bunch of stuff to [TS]

00:36:21   figure out but I was I was really really [TS]

00:36:23   happy to have an opportunity to play [TS]

00:36:24   around with it and get a bit of muscle [TS]

00:36:27   memory feel for how this is going to [TS]

00:36:29   work and the Apple watch originally came [TS]

00:36:31   out it was weird mm-hmm so my software [TS]

00:36:34   perspective there were just a lot of [TS]

00:36:36   things about really weird yeah and then [TS]

00:36:38   watch OS 2 improved a little bit and [TS]

00:36:41   then watch OS 3 felt like they had [TS]

00:36:43   redesigned watch OS based on the fact [TS]

00:36:46   that I'd actually used the watch right [TS]

00:36:48   and I feel like that this version of iOS [TS]

00:36:50   on the iPad has been made by people who [TS]

00:36:54   have been using iOS on the iPad [TS]

00:36:56   seriously over the last two years that [TS]

00:36:59   that is a great comparison that's a [TS]

00:37:01   great comparison because we have to [TS]

00:37:03   start again in some ways but I feel like [TS]

00:37:08   the scale is way better like it will [TS]

00:37:10   scale better over time because you have [TS]

00:37:12   more flexibility about the way that you [TS]

00:37:15   arrange your workspace where if we would [TS]

00:37:18   have just continued with the previous [TS]

00:37:20   split view ├ępoca even with just [TS]

00:37:23   additional tools to manage that I think [TS]

00:37:26   the idea of this pulling in and pulling [TS]

00:37:29   down would have eventually gotten to be [TS]

00:37:31   feel really old where now we're like you [TS]

00:37:33   can solve these pairs of applications [TS]

00:37:35   and they live together you can swipe up [TS]

00:37:37   from the dock and bring things over it's [TS]

00:37:39   basically like oh we have used the Mac [TS]

00:37:42   for such a long time [TS]

00:37:44   and we've never needed to really change [TS]

00:37:46   the way that you open and play of [TS]

00:37:48   applications and this is very similar to [TS]

00:37:50   that again I think that there are [TS]

00:37:53   benefits there are things are good there [TS]

00:37:55   are things that are not as good but [TS]

00:37:57   overall I feel like it's really focused [TS]

00:38:00   on trying to make this a more scalable [TS]

00:38:05   and usable interface over time yeah [TS]

00:38:07   without needing to burn it back down [TS]

00:38:09   again in two years and restart mm-hmm [TS]

00:38:11   Tim Cook started off the whole [TS]

00:38:12   presentation about the iPad as this is [TS]

00:38:15   the biggest iPad release ever which I [TS]

00:38:17   hated that to begin the Urich you're [TS]

00:38:20   setting expectations never do the way to [TS]

00:38:22   hide like someone should have told you [TS]

00:38:25   to do that at the end but me but it does [TS]

00:38:28   feel that way like a comic coming [TS]

00:38:29   onstage [TS]

00:38:30   this is going to be the funniest show [TS]

00:38:31   you've ever seen you have some real [TS]

00:38:33   great job Jimmy folks well now it isn't [TS]

00:38:35   a rebel of above self here we go [TS]

00:38:37   and but it is though I mean he was right [TS]

00:38:41   yes II and there are like a million [TS]

00:38:44   little things and there are a million [TS]

00:38:46   little things that me and you don't even [TS]

00:38:48   know about yet like even there are [TS]

00:38:50   things like you can record the screen [TS]

00:38:52   now natively on iOS yeah which has been [TS]

00:38:54   just like an eternal frustration for so [TS]

00:38:56   long but you can do it now there are [TS]

00:38:59   like that szimpla bility to record the [TS]

00:39:02   screen I can think of so many times over [TS]

00:39:05   the past few years where I have wanted [TS]

00:39:07   to do something animation wise on the [TS]

00:39:10   road and I thought oh if I could just I [TS]

00:39:12   could just record the screen and oh yeah [TS]

00:39:15   because you could just recall the screen [TS]

00:39:16   and move stuff around so there are ways [TS]

00:39:18   that I could have done not the greatest [TS]

00:39:21   animation but I could have done fine [TS]

00:39:24   mobile animation with some screen [TS]

00:39:26   recording caught up but it's but the [TS]

00:39:28   problem has always been like oh you need [TS]

00:39:29   a second device to record yep and it's [TS]

00:39:31   like okay it was a deal-breaker because [TS]

00:39:33   the whole reason I want to record the [TS]

00:39:34   screen as I don't have my Mac with me [TS]

00:39:36   and now I might as well just use the Mac [TS]

00:39:38   if it's here that's going to be really [TS]

00:39:40   helpful to me so it was it was the thing [TS]

00:39:41   I wanted to do for a vlog where it was [TS]

00:39:44   the big travel vlog that I did recently [TS]

00:39:45   mega vlog mega vlog to travel mega vlog [TS]

00:39:48   and I wanted to you should trademark [TS]

00:39:50   that I'm gonna I'm gonna do my best [TS]

00:39:52   this is something that I wanted to do to [TS]

00:39:55   show like you know you [TS]

00:39:58   those old letters Maps like a plane [TS]

00:40:00   moving place to place [TS]

00:40:01   I know the exact thing that you're [TS]

00:40:03   trying to do because I've tried to do [TS]

00:40:04   this couple it's a hard to get to look [TS]

00:40:06   right I couldn't do it yeah you want to [TS]

00:40:07   do like the Indiana Jones effect yeah [TS]

00:40:09   and I didn't even know where to start [TS]

00:40:10   really with the Mack taps mhm but I [TS]

00:40:13   could pull that together way easier on [TS]

00:40:16   iOS yeah because now I could just recall [TS]

00:40:18   the screen is physically moved a plane [TS]

00:40:20   from the place to place if you can do [TS]

00:40:21   screen recording on an iPad there are a [TS]

00:40:24   lot of simple animations that become way [TS]

00:40:27   easier if you want to do complex stuff [TS]

00:40:30   you're still gonna want to go back oh [TS]

00:40:31   yak but that like there's a I can see a [TS]

00:40:35   lot of of things that people can do with [TS]

00:40:37   the screen recording and I'm just [TS]

00:40:38   thinking about animation but I feel like [TS]

00:40:40   that really opens up a whole world of [TS]

00:40:43   other things that people can do I mean [TS]

00:40:46   even even just like doing tech support [TS]

00:40:47   for other people like I just want to [TS]

00:40:50   record me doing the thing and then I can [TS]

00:40:51   send you the video file and you can just [TS]

00:40:53   see it right now like this is what you [TS]

00:40:55   do in the in fuss when mom calls and [TS]

00:40:58   she's like I can't work out why my phone [TS]

00:41:01   yeah is doing this like why do I have a [TS]

00:41:03   little phone icon in the top left I was [TS]

00:41:05   like I don't even know what you talking [TS]

00:41:06   about that is that is only the biggest [TS]

00:41:08   tech support problem is person on the [TS]

00:41:10   other end who needs the tech support is [TS]

00:41:12   also the person who very often doesn't [TS]

00:41:15   have the technical vocabulary to [TS]

00:41:17   describe what they're looking at in ways [TS]

00:41:19   that makes it immediately understandable [TS]

00:41:21   and sometimes you will hear a visual [TS]

00:41:23   description of a thing you're like I [TS]

00:41:25   don't know what the hell that is at and [TS]

00:41:27   then when you see to go oh right it's [TS]

00:41:30   the thing over there right that's called [TS]

00:41:31   the wizzy walk right and look you just [TS]

00:41:33   did you said wizzy walk I would have [TS]

00:41:35   known immediately what it was an hour [TS]

00:41:36   ago we had to go through that but you're [TS]

00:41:38   describing the shape of it and it's like [TS]

00:41:39   in my brain I just don't think of it [TS]

00:41:41   that way yeah so like I think this the [TS]

00:41:43   screen sharing it's such a little [TS]

00:41:45   feature but it's it's one more thing [TS]

00:41:48   that removes the need for a Mac for a [TS]

00:41:53   bunch of stuff cuz you've been able to [TS]

00:41:54   do it if you plug a cable in and you're [TS]

00:41:57   in you QuickTime it is but it's just [TS]

00:41:58   like I never think of it yeah and it is [TS]

00:42:01   it's such a hassle that you're never [TS]

00:42:03   going to want to do that as a workflow [TS]

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00:43:31   talking about the screen recording I [TS]

00:43:33   will I will ask you cuz I don't I don't [TS]

00:43:35   100% know what you think about this the [TS]

00:43:38   very controversial change to the look of [TS]

00:43:41   Control Center ah yeah okay where do [TS]

00:43:44   where do you describe it for the [TS]

00:43:45   listeners and camp they're unaware and [TS]

00:43:46   then tell me where you come down on this [TS]

00:43:48   with iOS 10 Control Center went from [TS]

00:43:51   being this single panel page of short [TS]

00:43:54   cuts to three pages you would swipe up [TS]

00:43:57   there three pages if you had any homekit [TS]

00:43:59   devices installed so you would have like [TS]

00:44:02   play and pause and some actual cuts and [TS]

00:44:04   then you'd have all this big music card [TS]

00:44:05   and then you would have this like honk [TS]

00:44:10   it says switches and now I think mostly [TS]

00:44:14   because of how they've changed [TS]

00:44:16   iOS on the iPad where that same [TS]

00:44:18   animation now brings the doc up instead [TS]

00:44:21   they have moved all of these switches [TS]

00:44:24   into one [TS]

00:44:25   place and it's now customizable to an [TS]

00:44:29   extent where Apple has exposed more [TS]

00:44:32   switches available of their own system [TS]

00:44:34   stuff that you can add in and you can [TS]

00:44:36   also 3d touch where you press into the [TS]

00:44:39   screen on the newer phones and it'll [TS]

00:44:40   bring up additional buttons like for [TS]

00:44:42   example you can have an entire Apple TV [TS]

00:44:44   remote control antenna so I thought that [TS]

00:44:46   it's very funny looking at screen very [TS]

00:44:49   strange but so they've moved it all into [TS]

00:44:51   this one panel it is this big box of [TS]

00:44:55   buttons and switches and faders and [TS]

00:44:58   spinners and gosh knows what else in one [TS]

00:45:01   screen in all different sizes so it [TS]

00:45:05   looks like a kind of weird jigsaw puzzle [TS]

00:45:08   of buttons I think it's beautiful I love [TS]

00:45:12   it it is so my aesthetic mmm like I am a [TS]

00:45:17   sticker person and it effective not oh [TS]

00:45:19   my gosh they have just taken home I [TS]

00:45:22   would never have thought about it that [TS]

00:45:24   way I would never have thought about [TS]

00:45:25   that way but as soon as you say it it [TS]

00:45:27   does look like an array of stickers it's [TS]

00:45:30   just like I can appreciate having as [TS]

00:45:33   much functionality as possible in a [TS]

00:45:36   smaller space as possible and just [TS]

00:45:38   minimizing the UI that goes around it I [TS]

00:45:40   think it looks brilliant I think it [TS]

00:45:41   looks fun and weird and I can move stuff [TS]

00:45:44   around I'm really I'm really on board of [TS]

00:45:47   it is very interesting so this this is [TS]

00:45:50   the thing that people seem very divided [TS]

00:45:52   on and this is the same and a lot of [TS]

00:45:54   people are coming down on the oh my god [TS]

00:45:56   it's it's atrocious and I am with you [TS]

00:46:01   that I I actually like the look of it I [TS]

00:46:04   think it it is a bit messy in some ways [TS]

00:46:07   and I can see why a lot of people would [TS]

00:46:11   react poorly to it but as far as I'm [TS]

00:46:16   concerned I think it's fantastic too [TS]

00:46:18   mm-hm and if someone doesn't like the [TS]

00:46:21   visual look of it I think you can still [TS]

00:46:23   say that this is an appropriate place [TS]

00:46:25   where Apple is making you have any of [TS]

00:46:26   this this slider of like how good does [TS]

00:46:29   it look versus how well does it work [TS]

00:46:31   and Control Center is one of those [TS]

00:46:35   places where I am very happy if I was on [TS]

00:46:38   the design team to say look we need the [TS]

00:46:40   slider very far over into the how well [TS]

00:46:43   does it work because the whole reason [TS]

00:46:46   Control Center exists is because you [TS]

00:46:49   want to just do something quickly yeah [TS]

00:46:51   and you want to just flip up and press a [TS]

00:46:53   button and have a thing happen and I [TS]

00:46:56   think the the redesign of Control Center [TS]

00:47:00   you know really really for quite a while [TS]

00:47:03   now has leaned too hard on the oh we [TS]

00:47:06   want it to look nice and pretty when it [TS]

00:47:08   comes up and has been a little bit [TS]

00:47:10   frustrating on the usability side yep I [TS]

00:47:12   love that you can add or subtract the [TS]

00:47:14   buttons that you're not going to use [TS]

00:47:15   haven't gone all the way to customizing [TS]

00:47:19   those but next year I think looking at [TS]

00:47:21   you calculator button yeah I just known [TS]

00:47:25   desire yeah exactly it's terrible peak [TS]

00:47:28   Aleks way better yeah um but I'm so yeah [TS]

00:47:32   it's I wasn't sure what you would think [TS]

00:47:34   of it but as soon as you say it looks [TS]

00:47:35   like stickers of course you'd love it [TS]

00:47:37   where's is everything about me as I've [TS]

00:47:39   been saying here that is my aesthetic [TS]

00:47:40   that is it that is 100% it yeah what I [TS]

00:47:44   like about this is in regards for the [TS]

00:47:46   function of a form that the whole point [TS]

00:47:50   of control center is to give you quick [TS]

00:47:52   access to things and quick access comes [TS]

00:47:54   from muscle memory yeah the problem with [TS]

00:47:57   control center now is when you swipe it [TS]

00:47:59   up now I know what okay the way it is [TS]

00:48:01   built on the way it works is it swipes [TS]

00:48:03   up to the last panel you had open yeah [TS]

00:48:06   but what that means is every time I [TS]

00:48:08   swipe it up there is a pause where I [TS]

00:48:11   have to realize if I'm in the right [TS]

00:48:13   place yeah you have to visually look at [TS]

00:48:15   the screen and your brain has to process [TS]

00:48:17   which action is going that and already [TS]

00:48:20   now that muscle memory is over because [TS]

00:48:22   it's fine if I press play on a song and [TS]

00:48:24   then I need to skip a song in two [TS]

00:48:25   minutes right I know it's there and I [TS]

00:48:27   swipe it up and I hit the button [TS]

00:48:28   but tomorrow hmm when I need to change [TS]

00:48:32   the color of my light it's not where I [TS]

00:48:35   need it to be yeah and so that's why I [TS]

00:48:37   am a big fan of this is you are putting [TS]

00:48:40   as much functionality as you can into [TS]

00:48:42   one screen which means I am gonna know [TS]

00:48:44   after a couple of weeks where all of [TS]

00:48:47   those buttons live yeah and I think that [TS]

00:48:49   that's that's again so like this is [TS]

00:48:51   another feature I think where they're [TS]

00:48:53   like we've used this for a year and we [TS]

00:48:55   have realized it sucks and we have to [TS]

00:48:57   start again yeah the the the three panel [TS]

00:48:59   swipe left swipe right it stays where [TS]

00:49:02   you last left it control center was [TS]

00:49:04   crazy making especially on a twelve [TS]

00:49:08   point nine inch iPad is like it's like [TS]

00:49:11   they could affect it all on they could [TS]

00:49:13   they could have fit it all is it's it's [TS]

00:49:14   it's like it's there intentionally to [TS]

00:49:16   drive you crazy on the gigantic iPad [TS]

00:49:19   that was the most egregious yeah like it [TS]

00:49:21   works great an iPad no it doesn't that [TS]

00:49:23   doesn't doesn't work great no bad at all [TS]

00:49:25   it's enraging ah I've little things like [TS]

00:49:28   that is what makes me realize that we [TS]

00:49:31   got this version of iOS later than [TS]

00:49:33   intended mmm cuz that's such a weird [TS]

00:49:36   thing to do but they're just like well [TS]

00:49:38   this is how I OS is because we haven't [TS]

00:49:40   got anything else for the iPad yet so [TS]

00:49:41   we're just moving these features onto [TS]

00:49:44   all these devices right yeah this wasn't [TS]

00:49:47   the only iPad news that we got though it [TS]

00:49:49   wasn't just software we also got [TS]

00:49:52   hardware mm-hmm go our hardware mm-hmm [TS]

00:49:55   they refresh the entire line yeah I I am [TS]

00:50:01   I am very happy about this because you [TS]

00:50:04   know I had a deep fear going into this [TS]

00:50:07   keynote so I was very confident yeah [TS]

00:50:09   iPad hardware but I had a really deep [TS]

00:50:13   fear that what we were going to get is [TS]

00:50:15   the new 10.5 inch iPad which we did get [TS]

00:50:19   and I thought it was going to be all [TS]

00:50:20   quiet on the western front with the [TS]

00:50:22   twelve point nine inch iPad do you [TS]

00:50:25   remember what I said to you at dinner [TS]

00:50:26   and that before gray [TS]

00:50:27   what did you say it's we were sitting [TS]

00:50:29   around at dinner and you imarco saying [TS]

00:50:31   that useful it was dead dead dead [TS]

00:50:33   forever and I said if they update one I [TS]

00:50:36   believe they'll update both and I was [TS]

00:50:38   really strong on this and you too like [TS]

00:50:40   no no Tim Cook's a crazy man [TS]

00:50:43   I wasn't sure I was gonna be dead [TS]

00:50:45   forever but I I was just I was just [TS]

00:50:47   concerned that it that something about [TS]

00:50:50   it just felt in the it might stick [TS]

00:50:53   around in the same form factor for a [TS]

00:50:56   very long time without any internal [TS]

00:50:57   updates or and [TS]

00:50:58   thing I was just something about [TS]

00:50:59   something was just really nagging my [TS]

00:51:01   mind about that uh but that did not [TS]

00:51:05   happen did not and I was super psyched [TS]

00:51:07   about that I was so that was why that [TS]

00:51:10   was the most excited part for me in the [TS]

00:51:13   keynote was new twelve point nine inch [TS]

00:51:15   iPad so happy so happy yeah the the ten [TS]

00:51:19   point five is amazing mm-hmm and I'm [TS]

00:51:23   gonna be buying one as soon as I get [TS]

00:51:24   home mmm it isn't exactly what I wanted [TS]

00:51:27   now why is that cuz I know you have been [TS]

00:51:30   very excited for this and I feel like it [TS]

00:51:33   looks just like you did in all the [TS]

00:51:36   rumors like it's it seems like this [TS]

00:51:37   looks exactly like what we were [TS]

00:51:38   expecting it's exactly how I expected it [TS]

00:51:41   to me it is not what I thought it was [TS]

00:51:43   going to be from a software perspective [TS]

00:51:45   so we had a nine point seven inch iPad [TS]

00:51:48   pro and a twelve point nine inch iPad [TS]

00:51:50   pro right a ten point five inch iPad pro [TS]

00:51:52   kinda sits between the middle mm-hm [TS]

00:51:54   but it is doing literally nothing for [TS]

00:51:57   the software to make it any different so [TS]

00:52:00   why I was hoping was going to happen was [TS]

00:52:03   that the ten point five inch iPad pro [TS]

00:52:05   would give me the exact same software [TS]

00:52:08   experience as the twelve point nine but [TS]

00:52:11   shrunk down so I would get two full [TS]

00:52:13   sized iPad applications side-by-side [TS]

00:52:16   mm-hmm but it isn't like that it's like [TS]

00:52:18   with the nine point seven where you get [TS]

00:52:19   this kind of like halfway between iPhone [TS]

00:52:22   and iPad application if you have it [TS]

00:52:24   split right down the middle so if you [TS]

00:52:27   have like two thirds of the screen was [TS]

00:52:30   one app and one third of screen is [TS]

00:52:31   another you get one full iPad app and [TS]

00:52:33   then iPhone it if you bring them to the [TS]

00:52:35   middle on the nine point seven and on [TS]

00:52:37   the ten point five you get this kind of [TS]

00:52:39   like in between okay it's a different [TS]

00:52:42   view controller on that one okay right [TS]

00:52:44   and that's how he's been within ninety [TS]

00:52:46   seven but on the big one on the big iPad [TS]

00:52:48   pro twelve a nine sharp every K two [TS]

00:52:50   full-sized portray iPad application [TS]

00:52:52   side-by-side okay and I was hoping that [TS]

00:52:55   the ten point five would be like the [TS]

00:52:56   twelve point nine and then you would get [TS]

00:52:58   like if you put two apps side by side is [TS]

00:53:00   to portrait apps side by side but that's [TS]

00:53:03   not what you get right the operating [TS]

00:53:05   system would tell them you are a full [TS]

00:53:07   screen app act like it but it does like [TS]

00:53:10   they don't they still say it's small [TS]

00:53:11   enough [TS]

00:53:12   if you have a different view controller [TS]

00:53:13   it's using the more mobile game [TS]

00:53:15   controller that's interesting I've never [TS]

00:53:17   even really tuned into that on the [TS]

00:53:18   smaller iPad pro but I can I can see now [TS]

00:53:21   immediately why that that is a a big [TS]

00:53:25   considering factor in in which you're [TS]

00:53:27   going to use because what I was hoping [TS]

00:53:29   was whilst I'm thoroughly enjoy the [TS]

00:53:33   multi pad lifestyle that if I got this [TS]

00:53:36   iPad it might potentially mean I only [TS]

00:53:40   need one mm-hmm because I will be [TS]

00:53:42   getting what I hope to be best above [TS]

00:53:44   what's and that's not the case [TS]

00:53:46   yeah so it's like for me I'm like I'm [TS]

00:53:48   I'm not trying to look a gift horse in [TS]

00:53:50   the mouth with this but I don't [TS]

00:53:52   understand why they increase the screen [TS]

00:53:55   other than to differentiate it from the [TS]

00:53:58   regular sized device called iPad which [TS]

00:54:01   is $329 and is nine point seven inch in [TS]

00:54:04   size and screen has the only reason is [TS]

00:54:07   that they wanted to have nine point [TS]

00:54:09   seven is the cheap one then you have [TS]

00:54:11   these two pro ones one is ten and a half [TS]

00:54:13   inches and one is twelve point nine [TS]

00:54:14   inches and again like if you're a [TS]

00:54:17   company making these products you should [TS]

00:54:19   differentiate them but there doesn't [TS]

00:54:21   seem to be anything in that iPad that [TS]

00:54:24   takes a Vantage of the additional size [TS]

00:54:26   of the screen and the reason that I'm [TS]

00:54:28   annoyed about this is they made the iPad [TS]

00:54:29   bigger hmm so the iPad itself is bigger [TS]

00:54:33   to make the screen bigger I know where [TS]

00:54:38   reason it seems right but the but the [TS]

00:54:40   software is still treating it like it's [TS]

00:54:42   was go different mobile version yeah [TS]

00:54:44   interesting but I played with one I [TS]

00:54:47   spent some time with one and when you [TS]

00:54:49   hold it you don't know it's bigger right [TS]

00:54:51   they kept the weight the same it doesn't [TS]

00:54:52   feel bigger but it looks fantastic right [TS]

00:54:55   having the bigger screen I'm looking at [TS]

00:54:58   my old iPad right now and I'm like look [TS]

00:54:59   at all that bezel you ugly ugly little [TS]

00:55:02   thing right oh he's a nice little girl [TS]

00:55:05   guys right there man all covered in his [TS]

00:55:08   failed me [TS]

00:55:09   Wow that's high there is and there is a [TS]

00:55:11   new hotness in town and this little guy [TS]

00:55:14   in it no more oh so sorry but but this [TS]

00:55:16   is what Apple does right and it done [TS]

00:55:18   that big date they they make the device [TS]

00:55:21   you were perfectly fine with yesterday [TS]

00:55:23   yeah hideous today right and that's what [TS]

00:55:27   they've done with this they're like is [TS]

00:55:28   I'm happy to have new hardware it's got [TS]

00:55:31   some amazing new features which we're [TS]

00:55:32   gonna talk about in a second but just [TS]

00:55:34   from a pure like what the screen size [TS]

00:55:37   has brought me there isn't really [TS]

00:55:39   anything to that then okay that's [TS]

00:55:41   interesting that's that's very [TS]

00:55:42   interesting I think I didn't I think I [TS]

00:55:43   didn't understand that with the view [TS]

00:55:45   controllers and like this is what you [TS]

00:55:46   were looking for with it so that makes [TS]

00:55:48   it that makes it a lot more sense about [TS]

00:55:50   why it's amazing but you're a little bit [TS]

00:55:53   lukewarm on on it because of that lack [TS]

00:55:56   of that feature yeah it's like I'm [TS]

00:55:57   really excited about iPad software and [TS]

00:55:59   I'm really excited about the new iPad [TS]

00:56:01   hardware but the combination of those [TS]

00:56:03   two on the 10.5 hasn't really changed [TS]

00:56:05   any threat right like independently [TS]

00:56:07   they're both brilliant but together [TS]

00:56:09   there's nothing special going on but the [TS]

00:56:12   crowning feature of this device it's a [TS]

00:56:14   new display technology to apples calling [TS]

00:56:16   promotion it encompasses a bunch of [TS]

00:56:18   different things one of these things is [TS]

00:56:21   a 120 Hertz refresh rate and the best [TS]

00:56:24   way to try and describe this so it's [TS]

00:56:26   it's refreshing to scream or from which [TS]

00:56:28   means they could show more fluid [TS]

00:56:29   animation right but you know when you [TS]

00:56:32   see Apple do this you see lots of [TS]

00:56:34   companies do this when you're watching a [TS]

00:56:37   movie like a promo footage or an advert [TS]

00:56:39   or something and you see someone holding [TS]

00:56:41   a device and they're using it but it [TS]

00:56:45   looks fake right and it's because [TS]

00:56:47   they're using rendered animations of [TS]

00:56:49   like a green screen that is overlaying [TS]

00:56:51   it and it always looks weird like the [TS]

00:56:53   fingers never really kind of exactly [TS]

00:56:54   where it should be and all the [TS]

00:56:55   animations look too smooth that's how [TS]

00:56:57   these new iPads look because the [TS]

00:57:00   animations are so smooth the first time [TS]

00:57:03   you see it almost looks broken it just [TS]

00:57:06   doesn't look real it's fantastic yeah I [TS]

00:57:10   really wish I had seen one of these [TS]

00:57:12   things in person you can say it's okay [TS]

00:57:17   we're here people have them it's okay [TS]

00:57:20   you can say it's [TS]

00:57:22   fine okay just wanted someone clear yeah [TS]

00:57:25   not a great reason to come to wAPT so [TS]

00:57:27   yes people have hardware and you like to [TS]

00:57:29   see it and thinking things get left on [TS]

00:57:30   counters who knows how right no they [TS]

00:57:32   don't have uh it's interesting I am I am [TS]

00:57:38   I don't know how to put this but I am [TS]

00:57:40   I'm gonna be real curious to see when I [TS]

00:57:42   have one for a while playing around with [TS]

00:57:44   it and what it what it's really like [TS]

00:57:46   because there is a certain kind of [TS]

00:57:49   unreality to its it yeah and it is I [TS]

00:57:52   think I am in the minority of people who [TS]

00:57:55   ok so there's there's two kinds of [TS]

00:57:58   people in the world people who notice [TS]

00:57:59   frame rates and people who don't and I'm [TS]

00:58:02   kind of fascinated by some people just [TS]

00:58:04   can't see the difference between like [TS]

00:58:06   when you shoot on your iPhone if you put [TS]

00:58:08   it in 60 frames per second mode versus [TS]

00:58:09   30 frames per second mode and I think it [TS]

00:58:11   looks like an abhorrent disaster people [TS]

00:58:14   shooting 60 frames yeah okay so you're [TS]

00:58:15   on the same page with me on this yeah [TS]

00:58:17   it's like I will not shoot in 60 frames [TS]

00:58:19   per second on my phone because it's like [TS]

00:58:21   yeah like I hate it I it's it's you [TS]

00:58:24   showing me too much it's almost like [TS]

00:58:25   it's a reality uncanny valley yeah it's [TS]

00:58:30   it's so close to infinite frames per [TS]

00:58:33   second that's 60 inches away from [TS]

00:58:36   infinite ahh [TS]

00:58:38   but it's not actually looking through a [TS]

00:58:41   transparent piece of glass at a thing [TS]

00:58:43   happen like a that's sort of the feeling [TS]

00:58:45   of looking at 60 frames per second [TS]

00:58:47   footage and I have a little bit of that [TS]

00:58:51   same feeling looking at the 120 frames [TS]

00:58:54   per second animations and scrolling on [TS]

00:58:57   the new iPad I think I'll get used to it [TS]

00:59:01   but it is weird but what I but the thing [TS]

00:59:05   that is a concern for me is it feels [TS]

00:59:06   like a little bit of a retina transition [TS]

00:59:08   is that I think when I got used to [TS]

00:59:10   retina screens I had a hard time working [TS]

00:59:13   with non retina screen yeah and I'm [TS]

00:59:16   concerned about [TS]

00:59:19   I think I will get totally used to the [TS]

00:59:21   120 frames per second but what I'm [TS]

00:59:23   worried about is then switching back to [TS]

00:59:26   screens that are at a lower frame rate [TS]

00:59:28   once my brain is used to the idea that [TS]

00:59:29   o'the ings on a computer they move in [TS]

00:59:32   this preternaturally smooth way and then [TS]

00:59:35   if it doesn't quite look the same I [TS]

00:59:37   think I think this is going to be coming [TS]

00:59:39   everywhere I just really hope it's in [TS]

00:59:41   the new iPhone I think it will be I [TS]

00:59:44   really do think it will be I mean cuz [TS]

00:59:46   again I don't know enough about how the [TS]

00:59:47   technology works people smarter than me [TS]

00:59:49   are telling me that it's the display [TS]

00:59:51   technology in the chip well I mean the [TS]

00:59:53   iPhones going to get the best display [TS]

00:59:55   Apple can make and the best chip they [TS]

00:59:56   can make it's not like something like [TS]

00:59:58   the true tone stuff worried right [TS]

00:59:58   the true tone stuff worried right [TS]

01:00:00   additional sensors which is why it maybe [TS]

01:00:02   hasn't come to the iPhone yet it seems [TS]

01:00:04   like it would be easy to do then true [TS]

01:00:07   tumbles in the iPhone yeah so I expect [TS]

01:00:11   you're right about that [TS]

01:00:12   so I'm a I'm very interested to see once [TS]

01:00:15   I actually own one of these things and [TS]

01:00:16   use it for a while like how it goes how [TS]

01:00:19   this transition goes but the thing that [TS]

01:00:22   to me is amazing is the decreased [TS]

01:00:29   latency in terms of the pen usage so the [TS]

01:00:33   other thing that happened this is part [TS]

01:00:35   of this whole system called promotion is [TS]

01:00:38   they have increased the refresh rate of [TS]

01:00:41   what the pencil is able to provide so in [TS]

01:00:45   the current versions of the iPad the [TS]

01:00:48   frame rate on the screens is 60 Hertz [TS]

01:00:50   was able to do is is 60 Hertz and it is [TS]

01:00:53   refreshing the screen at 120 Hertz to [TS]

01:00:57   find pencil input so it reduces lag and [TS]

01:01:00   increase the smoothness in the new [TS]

01:01:03   devices they have a 120 Hertz for the [TS]

01:01:05   output of the screen and a 240 Hertz [TS]

01:01:09   refresh rate for the pencil yeah so they [TS]

01:01:11   are continuing the smoothness by [TS]

01:01:13   doubling that the smoothness has been [TS]

01:01:16   doubled yes more smooth I've also heard [TS]

01:01:18   that they're doing some interesting [TS]

01:01:19   things with better predictive technology [TS]

01:01:23   about which way your hand is going sure [TS]

01:01:24   with the pencil and all these things but [TS]

01:01:27   I think if you go back if you go back [TS]

01:01:29   last door I'm sorry if you go back to [TS]

01:01:32   years ago when we were originally [TS]

01:01:34   talking about how desperate we were to [TS]

01:01:36   get our hands on a pencil and see what [TS]

01:01:39   does it look like and how does it work [TS]

01:01:41   oh gosh yeah well like I see good now [TS]

01:01:43   you're right now you're here in person I [TS]

01:01:44   see you making this face and you're [TS]

01:01:45   trying to do the mental math on was it 2 [TS]

01:01:47   years ago and the answer was yes Mike [TS]

01:01:49   Wow yeah we've been we've been doing [TS]

01:01:51   this for a long time I'm very episode 52 [TS]

01:01:54   can can throw you off yes again but but [TS]

01:01:58   so what if you go back and listen to [TS]

01:01:59   those old episodes we were desperate [TS]

01:02:00   because we wanted to see it because [TS]

01:02:02   we're both very sensitive to the pencil [TS]

01:02:04   latency and just a set essentially [TS]

01:02:06   didn't trust anybody's reports of like [TS]

01:02:10   oh it's great you can't tell the [TS]

01:02:11   difference like I don't believe you for [TS]

01:02:13   a [TS]

01:02:13   like I'm sure I will be able to tell and [TS]

01:02:16   I think if memory serves me my verdict [TS]

01:02:19   was the latency was acceptable which as [TS]

01:02:22   opposed to the previous style I that [TS]

01:02:25   were like using hot dogs on a screen was [TS]

01:02:26   just was totally unacceptable just up [TS]

01:02:28   completely why even bother yeah why even [TS]

01:02:31   bother just a tale of misery but so when [TS]

01:02:35   I'm using like my current twelve point [TS]

01:02:38   nine inch iPad I can see that there's a [TS]

01:02:40   little bit of latency with the pen but [TS]

01:02:41   it's fine like it is acceptable and I [TS]

01:02:43   have gotten very used to it uh but when [TS]

01:02:45   I got a chance just for a few minutes to [TS]

01:02:48   try the pencil with what is my personal [TS]

01:02:52   favorite handwriting app but I think the [TS]

01:02:54   best which is good notes for I got to [TS]

01:02:57   try those two together and it was ear [TS]

01:02:59   even for the first few moments because [TS]

01:03:02   it literally felt like oh I am I am [TS]

01:03:04   writing with an ink pen on a piece of [TS]

01:03:07   glass and there in mind like this [TS]

01:03:09   without I assume the app developer being [TS]

01:03:14   able to optima this is exactly it it's [TS]

01:03:16   it's I wanted to see it on good notes in [TS]

01:03:18   particular because I feel like that [TS]

01:03:20   developer has done an amazing job with [TS]

01:03:22   the handwriting like if you are really [TS]

01:03:24   sensitive to this stuff you can see [TS]

01:03:26   there's a there's ELISA my peon there's [TS]

01:03:28   a very big difference between the [TS]

01:03:29   handwriting on on something like [TS]

01:03:30   notability versus good notes and I think [TS]

01:03:33   good notes does a really great job but [TS]

01:03:35   she was like pre developer optimizations [TS]

01:03:38   it's it's uncanny and I and I'd say like [TS]

01:03:42   this I only use it for a few minutes but [TS]

01:03:45   in those few minutes I feel like I can [TS]

01:03:46   say that the latency was unnoticeable [TS]

01:03:50   that if it felt like it was right under [TS]

01:03:52   the pencil tip the whole time and it [TS]

01:03:56   really is a very big subjective feeling [TS]

01:04:00   change using it that way so I am really [TS]

01:04:03   looking forward to editing the scripts [TS]

01:04:05   with the pencil on the screen and [TS]

01:04:11   uh you you know we haven't discussed it [TS]

01:04:13   but you know I put up a wishlist before [TS]

01:04:15   my keynote went up of things that I [TS]

01:04:17   wanted and one of those things was Apple [TS]

01:04:19   pencil two there are a lot of things [TS]

01:04:22   that I still wanted an Apple pencil [TS]

01:04:24   mostly it not being in content wise uh [TS]

01:04:26   and maybe aluminum with a little grip on [TS]

01:04:29   it but all those things aside I feel in [TS]

01:04:32   retrospect like I can half tick that box [TS]

01:04:35   because even though the pencil isn't new [TS]

01:04:38   the experience of using it with the new [TS]

01:04:41   hardware makes it feel like it was a new [TS]

01:04:45   one like if they if someone had handed [TS]

01:04:47   me a pencil and said oh this is the [TS]

01:04:49   Apple pencil too and use it on the [TS]

01:04:50   screen I would be but I would be saying [TS]

01:04:52   like I cannot believe how you guys got [TS]

01:04:54   the latency down it's amazing yeah it's [TS]

01:04:56   one of those things with each [TS]

01:04:57   combination of two pieces of hardware [TS]

01:05:00   and software yeah is they actually need [TS]

01:05:02   to update the hardware the pencil at all [TS]

01:05:03   yeah to make this change which is really [TS]

01:05:05   impressive yeah it's it really is yeah [TS]

01:05:08   that groove you are I was hoping that we [TS]

01:05:10   were gonna get more from without [TS]

01:05:12   immigrants to the pencil like an actual [TS]

01:05:14   new model but that hasn't happened so I [TS]

01:05:16   mean the things that I and you want with [TS]

01:05:20   this I'm not surprised that they haven't [TS]

01:05:22   bothered to change it yet mm-hmm I feel [TS]

01:05:24   like you can do that down the line [TS]

01:05:25   there's no there's no real need to make [TS]

01:05:28   those changes right now other than to [TS]

01:05:30   just placate me in you right in regards [TS]

01:05:34   to the pencil there were two interesting [TS]

01:05:36   things there one is if you have an Apple [TS]

01:05:37   pencil now you can tap on an on a locked [TS]

01:05:40   screen and start writing a note I [TS]

01:05:43   thought that was a genius interface [TS]

01:05:44   edition yeah so this is very similar to [TS]

01:05:47   the way that the Samsung Galaxy Note [TS]

01:05:48   series has been for a while there's is a [TS]

01:05:50   little bit cooler in that you just start [TS]

01:05:54   writing and you write on the black [TS]

01:05:56   screen oh okay yeah which is really cool [TS]

01:05:59   worthy with the on the iPad you tap it [TS]

01:06:02   and it just brings up a note which is [TS]

01:06:04   sandboxed you can't access your other [TS]

01:06:07   notes until you unlock that's nice but [TS]

01:06:09   you're able to just take notes really [TS]

01:06:11   quickly which i think is really cool [TS]

01:06:12   there's also like the ability to draw [TS]

01:06:14   directly into some applications so notes [TS]

01:06:18   and mail have it I assume this is a [TS]

01:06:19   developer API as well where you're able [TS]

01:06:22   to rather than enter a specific drawing [TS]

01:06:24   mode you can just draw as well as this [TS]

01:06:28   new screenshot function where you take a [TS]

01:06:29   screenshot on the iPad it flies down to [TS]

01:06:31   the bottom left hand corner you can mark [TS]

01:06:33   right and there you can grab it drive [TS]

01:06:35   yes so amazing but what they have made [TS]

01:06:38   sure to keep is the ability to maintain [TS]

01:06:41   what me and you fought hard to keep [TS]

01:06:45   which is the ability to go to use the [TS]

01:06:47   Apple pencil as a UI manipulation tool [TS]

01:06:49   to use it as a replacement for the [TS]

01:06:51   finger to the point where there is some [TS]

01:06:53   settings somewhere where you're actually [TS]

01:06:55   able to turn off it's instant drawing [TS]

01:06:57   functionality so you can keep moving [TS]

01:07:00   around notes now I was really surprised [TS]

01:07:03   to see that I figured the applications [TS]

01:07:05   where they allow you to just start [TS]

01:07:07   drawing in them they would take it away [TS]

01:07:10   yeah that I was anyone who's following [TS]

01:07:13   on Twitter know like I was getting very [TS]

01:07:14   anxious being I was looking at a lot of [TS]

01:07:16   good because when they're demoing the oh [TS]

01:07:17   here's how you draw on the screenshot [TS]

01:07:19   thing here's how you do a whole bunch of [TS]

01:07:20   stuff it looks like you're just drawing [TS]

01:07:25   on the screen immediately and I was [TS]

01:07:28   watching all the videos incredibly [TS]

01:07:30   closely like I just want to see someone [TS]

01:07:31   press a button with the Apple pencil and [TS]

01:07:33   they never do and I was extremely [TS]

01:07:36   worried about it but yeah it's such a [TS]

01:07:39   huge deal such a big big relief that [TS]

01:07:43   they were able to add all of these [TS]

01:07:46   interesting features that are related to [TS]

01:07:48   this instant drawing which which we [TS]

01:07:51   think was they like the original vision [TS]

01:07:52   of how the pencil would work they were [TS]

01:07:54   able to add all of those features while [TS]

01:07:57   keeping UI navigation with the pencil I [TS]

01:07:59   think it's it's it's fantastic I feel [TS]

01:08:02   like if anybody on that interface team [TS]

01:08:05   is listening to this like I want to [TS]

01:08:07   personally thank you for this because [TS]

01:08:09   it's so important to us yeah as I cannot [TS]

01:08:12   express in words adequately how much of [TS]

01:08:15   a big deal that is to me so I my my [TS]

01:08:18   personal thanks goes out to anyone who [TS]

01:08:21   worked on that and I understand that [TS]

01:08:24   adding that additional functionality [TS]

01:08:26   while keeping UI navigation was not an [TS]

01:08:30   easy thing to do like having a setting [TS]

01:08:33   yeah as well right which I which rightly [TS]

01:08:36   so in a lot of ways Apple was very [TS]

01:08:38   reluctant to add settings to things to [TS]

01:08:40   try and give the user interface simple [TS]

01:08:42   so to have that is great I did say at [TS]

01:08:45   the time and I do mean this that if it [TS]

01:08:47   was gone in certain applications like [TS]

01:08:50   notes on mail I would have accepted it [TS]

01:08:52   and because my problem at the time was [TS]

01:08:54   when an Apple originally took this away [TS]

01:08:57   and like was it like iOS tens beta [TS]

01:08:59   something yeah it was it was like yeah [TS]

01:09:01   the second beta it disappeared there was [TS]

01:09:04   no reason there was no added [TS]

01:09:06   functionality and I think I remember [TS]

01:09:07   saying at the time that I would have [TS]

01:09:09   been happy if we could see why right it [TS]

01:09:12   only seemed like at the time was boohoo [TS]

01:09:14   I don't like you losing my software in [TS]

01:09:17   this way yes because there was no [TS]

01:09:19   functionality that was being added like [TS]

01:09:21   this is function I think that is added [TS]

01:09:22   yeah any like okay I can see why maybe I [TS]

01:09:25   can't scroll in Apple notes anymore [TS]

01:09:27   there was nothing like that it just [TS]

01:09:29   seemed like they were preparing for this [TS]

01:09:31   right then I just like take it away [TS]

01:09:33   rather than trying to fix and provide [TS]

01:09:36   this solution mm-hmm so if it would have [TS]

01:09:39   been gone in notes hold on okay like [TS]

01:09:41   there is additional functionality here [TS]

01:09:43   I'll understand but I'm really happy [TS]

01:09:46   that's not the case I'm very extremely [TS]

01:09:48   and I'm more happy this way but I would [TS]

01:09:50   have at least accepted it like we would [TS]

01:09:52   be on the show right now and I wouldn't [TS]

01:09:53   be complaining I wouldn't be begging [TS]

01:09:55   like we did last time right I would say [TS]

01:09:57   it's a shame I understand I use apps [TS]

01:09:59   like this so like I use notability quite [TS]

01:10:02   a lot and if you have the pencil you [TS]

01:10:04   have to use your finger as well to move [TS]

01:10:06   hmm or you switch into a different mode [TS]

01:10:08   and I get it it's like but you know it's [TS]

01:10:11   always there I can just swipe in a right [TS]

01:10:12   swipe in them right it's fine it was [TS]

01:10:14   just like I didn't then want it to be [TS]

01:10:16   able to go back to the home screen and [TS]

01:10:17   tap around as it right so the fact that [TS]

01:10:20   it's all there and it's all maintained [TS]

01:10:22   it's such a big win for usability and it [TS]

01:10:26   it is an accessibility feature yeah it [TS]

01:10:28   100% is like [TS]

01:10:31   injuries for repetitive strain injury [TS]

01:10:33   RSI which meaning you both have new tool [TS]

01:10:36   much worse extent than me it allows us [TS]

01:10:40   to continue to be able to work for long [TS]

01:10:43   periods of time because we can switch [TS]

01:10:45   modes yeah how I was at I was at [TS]

01:10:47   breakfast this morning with essentially [TS]

01:10:49   eight people and there was there was a [TS]

01:10:53   the youngest one of us at the table was [TS]

01:10:55   describing that she was beginning to get [TS]

01:10:57   the first signs of RSI and and [TS]

01:11:01   immediately but everybody at the table [TS]

01:11:04   we are all people who make a living on [TS]

01:11:06   computers it was like everyone leaned in [TS]

01:11:10   and was just focusing on how central [TS]

01:11:12   this is like you are you are younger [TS]

01:11:15   than us if you're getting the beginning [TS]

01:11:17   of this like focus on it right now it's [TS]

01:11:19   like everybody at that table who makes [TS]

01:11:21   living on on computers in one form or [TS]

01:11:24   another has to focus on an RSI issue or [TS]

01:11:27   an ergonomic issue in their own way for [TS]

01:11:31   their own thing and and yeah that's why [TS]

01:11:33   I think the pencil is a stylus for some [TS]

01:11:36   people and I'm in that category is is a [TS]

01:11:38   vital input accessibility feature and [TS]

01:11:42   and it really helps avoid injuries to [TS]

01:11:45   poor people the ability to use a pen on [TS]

01:11:47   my Mac with my Wacom tablet and my saved [TS]

01:11:50   my hand mmm like my right hand has been [TS]

01:11:54   saved by the fact that I can use my left [TS]

01:11:56   hand then I'm you know I'm unique in [TS]

01:11:58   this way where I'm extremely lucky that [TS]

01:12:01   I am left-handed for writing I'm [TS]

01:12:03   right-handed for Mouse and trackpad [TS]

01:12:05   manipulation because I can do the most [TS]

01:12:08   magical thing if I give my hands a break [TS]

01:12:11   yep it's not just that I'm able to swap [TS]

01:12:14   around like I'm very lucky in this way [TS]

01:12:15   so all of my teasing as a kid for being [TS]

01:12:17   left-handed look at me now you know like [TS]

01:12:20   so I'm really lucky that way but it is [TS]

01:12:23   this ability to be able to switch modes [TS]

01:12:26   to grip in a different way to be able to [TS]

01:12:28   hold up him which is more natural to us [TS]

01:12:30   because we do it from a much earlier age [TS]

01:12:31   I don't think any of its natural but for [TS]

01:12:34   whatever reason that is more than [TS]

01:12:35   holding a mouse hmm which makes me think [TS]

01:12:38   by the way I was talking to a dinner [TS]

01:12:39   about this recently I wonder [TS]

01:12:43   if and how these things will change in [TS]

01:12:45   the next 10 or 15 years like if kids [TS]

01:12:49   today maybe in a generation younger than [TS]

01:12:52   me or you won't get RSI problems in [TS]

01:12:55   their hands for using track pads and [TS]

01:12:57   mice as much as we did [TS]

01:12:58   well my suspicion my suspicion is that [TS]

01:13:01   if I give and I know I don't we've [TS]

01:13:04   discusses on the show back we were [TS]

01:13:05   talking about this originally but if you [TS]

01:13:06   think about your hand [TS]

01:13:07   you're you're gripping muscles are much [TS]

01:13:11   stronger than you're opening your hand [TS]

01:13:12   muscles all right you can just feel it [TS]

01:13:14   and if you hold out your arm in front of [TS]

01:13:17   you and you open your hand you can feel [TS]

01:13:20   particularly in your in your index and [TS]

01:13:23   your middle finger that holding it up is [TS]

01:13:26   much more of a strain than keeping a [TS]

01:13:29   closed fist okay I see yes you can feel [TS]

01:13:32   it in your hands and so the iPad as a [TS]

01:13:36   touch surface is nothing but reach out [TS]

01:13:39   with your hand and pull your index and [TS]

01:13:42   middle finger back right you're doing [TS]

01:13:44   that hundreds and hundreds of times so [TS]

01:13:46   everybody's body is different in terms [TS]

01:13:48   of what what are they more susceptible [TS]

01:13:50   to but I'm willing to bet that a higher [TS]

01:13:53   portion of the population if you expose [TS]

01:13:55   them to that repetitive motion of keep [TS]

01:13:57   your index and middle finger up I think [TS]

01:14:00   a higher proportion of them will develop [TS]

01:14:02   strange injuries as compared to keep [TS]

01:14:06   your fists closed which is the hand [TS]

01:14:10   position for holding a pen yeah yeah [TS]

01:14:12   that makes alone since that explains so [TS]

01:14:14   I wonder is like is it something [TS]

01:14:16   anatomical or is it just that we start [TS]

01:14:19   an earlier age like so that we're kind [TS]

01:14:21   of just more used to it but that makes a [TS]

01:14:24   lot of sense and I want I really wonder [TS]

01:14:27   like all this time using touch screens [TS]

01:14:29   hmm I don't know I don't know because I [TS]

01:14:31   think it is unproven right now how [TS]

01:14:33   organic the iPad is then the iPhone is [TS]

01:14:36   like I don't think we really know yeah [TS]

01:14:38   we really don't if it's just destroying [TS]

01:14:40   us are not like I think with too too far [TS]

01:14:42   I was in my hands are really hiding me [TS]

01:14:44   now like that we've been talking about [TS]

01:14:46   it's like oh my wrist yeah you can feel [TS]

01:14:48   you can feel every muscle every muscle [TS]

01:14:51   in tendon slowly degrading as you age in [TS]

01:14:54   use them it's like I once wild I can't [TS]

01:14:59   remember the story but I once read a [TS]

01:15:01   science fiction book about a race of [TS]

01:15:03   aliens that are essentially made of sand [TS]

01:15:05   so they have to be very careful about [TS]

01:15:07   everything that they do and touch so [TS]

01:15:10   they're aware that every interaction [TS]

01:15:12   with the world really cost them because [TS]

01:15:14   they're like constantly rubbing off on [TS]

01:15:15   all the surfaces and we are just like [TS]

01:15:18   that over a longer time scale we're all [TS]

01:15:21   fading into sand over time Mike every [TS]

01:15:24   time you touch your iPad but anyway [TS]

01:15:27   awesome to keep you on navigation thank [TS]

01:15:29   you so much Apple team I really [TS]

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01:17:00   both currently in San Jose as I [TS]

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01:17:06   I knew iPads come out on like Tuesday of [TS]

01:17:09   next week [TS]

01:17:09   mmm so I'll hopefully own one by about [TS]

01:17:12   the time this episode will be coming out [TS]

01:17:14   uh-huh [TS]

01:17:14   so I didn't actually I just I usually I [TS]

01:17:17   didn't buy online I want to just go to [TS]

01:17:20   the store get it in my little grubby [TS]

01:17:22   hands I go back home again right and not [TS]

01:17:26   waiting around from the delivery man [TS]

01:17:27   whoa [TS]

01:17:29   may I tell you about what happened we [TS]

01:17:30   went a bought the switch no so I bought [TS]

01:17:33   three Nintendo switches right Oh God [TS]

01:17:35   okay three I think I heard I heard a [TS]

01:17:37   while back you were planning on buying [TS]

01:17:39   two I bought I would have pre-ordered [TS]

01:17:41   three because I wanted to make sure I [TS]

01:17:43   got on day one I've had so many problems [TS]

01:17:44   especially of Amazon well like i when i [TS]

01:17:47   pre-ordered the PS VR headset and then [TS]

01:17:48   the email me in the morning they were [TS]

01:17:50   like yeah when I've got him and just [TS]

01:17:51   like the worst just so annoying because [TS]

01:17:53   I'm terrible [TS]

01:17:54   so you want to ensure delivery this is [TS]

01:17:57   not the multi switch lifestyle exactly [TS]

01:17:59   okay show delivery to one of them are [TS]

01:18:01   sold tomorrow one I returned it okay it [TS]

01:18:02   was purely just I was just spreading the [TS]

01:18:04   risk right got it on the morning that [TS]

01:18:08   they were making delivered I had a guy [TS]

01:18:10   coming to fit a fan in the bathroom and [TS]

01:18:12   he calls me and he's like you're [TS]

01:18:15   intercoms broken hahaha I'm like fuck [TS]

01:18:22   this I have three Nintendo switches [TS]

01:18:24   coming did you oh no I did did you sit [TS]

01:18:28   down in front of the door like a little [TS]

01:18:30   sad oh got a chair i sat it by the [TS]

01:18:33   window and I was watching out on the [TS]

01:18:36   street for the delivery guy and I like [TS]

01:18:38   half an hour later I see a guy like an [TS]

01:18:41   Amazon guy walk in a bunch of boxes and [TS]

01:18:43   I'm like just watching him and he comes [TS]

01:18:46   to the door and I like just open the [TS]

01:18:48   door I'm like I'm coming downstairs [TS]

01:18:50   I got they all came I like the idea that [TS]

01:18:53   as you were doing this the song the [TS]

01:18:56   waiting is the hardest part by Tom Petty [TS]

01:18:58   is playing in the background I can't do [TS]

01:19:00   anything other than look right we gotta [TS]

01:19:01   watch out for the delivery drivers right [TS]

01:19:03   so I'm just sitting there the whole time [TS]

01:19:04   I'm so pleased that every right Billy in [TS]

01:19:06   the morning not like 2:00 p.m. in the [TS]

01:19:08   afternoon I'm a terrible person I'm more [TS]

01:19:10   my terrible person mess but I was really [TS]

01:19:12   excited in its no switch and you know [TS]

01:19:14   what it's freaking worth it because I [TS]

01:19:15   love that thing you're very excited [TS]

01:19:17   about it we took like an 11 hour flight [TS]

01:19:19   me and Federico to get [TS]

01:19:20   we were able to fill half of that time [TS]

01:19:22   playing Mario Kart that that's that's [TS]

01:19:24   good use it was really great so I'm [TS]

01:19:28   gonna be getting an iPad I'm gonna be [TS]

01:19:30   buying the 10.5 that's the one I'm gonna [TS]

01:19:33   be buying because it's the new one [TS]

01:19:34   mm-hmm and I want to try out only see [TS]

01:19:36   what it's like however I do not foresee [TS]

01:19:41   me moving away from the mod type at [TS]

01:19:43   lifestyle because I bring the smaller [TS]

01:19:47   iPad when I travel mostly it's mostly my [TS]

01:19:50   out of the house computer so when I [TS]

01:19:52   travel when I go out to work somewhere I [TS]

01:19:54   will take the smaller one when I'm at [TS]

01:19:56   home working I have the bigger one so [TS]

01:19:58   over time what I originally thought was [TS]

01:20:01   how it shake house house shaking out my [TS]

01:20:02   large iPad pro is like my desktop [TS]

01:20:05   machine and my small iPad pro is like my [TS]

01:20:07   laptop that's kind of how it was shaking [TS]

01:20:09   out for me but I want to get the 10.5 [TS]

01:20:11   first because it's the newer one right [TS]

01:20:13   it looks new it has new stuff bigger [TS]

01:20:15   screen it just looks new but I intend on [TS]

01:20:18   buying the bigger one at some point in [TS]

01:20:21   the future as well and I'm wondering [TS]

01:20:24   what your multi pad lifestyle plan is [TS]

01:20:29   for these um I I would expect it's gonna [TS]

01:20:33   be an inverse okay so my current setup [TS]

01:20:39   is that I don't have a nine point seven [TS]

01:20:43   inch iPad pro that is mine mm-hmm so [TS]

01:20:46   what what happened in my household my [TS]

01:20:51   household is in disarray right now [TS]

01:20:53   because the iPad Mini seems to be going [TS]

01:20:56   away okay so let's talk about the iPad [TS]

01:20:58   Mini first okay [TS]

01:20:59   where we should start the story is that [TS]

01:21:02   over the past many years the iPad Mini [TS]

01:21:06   has become for my wife her general [TS]

01:21:09   purpose computer I am astounded at her [TS]

01:21:13   ability to use that as her everything [TS]

01:21:16   machine she must be proportionally the [TS]

01:21:18   right size to use the key like that how [TS]

01:21:20   fast she can type on the iPad Mini [TS]

01:21:22   keyboard screen like it blows my mind [TS]

01:21:24   and I look like a doddering old man when [TS]

01:21:27   I try to use the software keyboard I can [TS]

01:21:29   blame that on Dvorak but it still is [TS]

01:21:30   like I could type so slowly but she's [TS]

01:21:32   just you know types of Oracle [TS]

01:21:34   perfect but they don't have a Dvorak [TS]

01:21:36   keyboard for iPad that's what it is Mike [TS]

01:21:39   um so she's been using that for years as [TS]

01:21:43   her main yep computer now the position [TS]

01:21:47   that she is in is going back to our [TS]

01:21:49   earlier conversation she uh recently [TS]

01:21:53   started developing her own RSI problems [TS]

01:21:55   from using the iPad and I suspect the [TS]

01:21:58   same way of holding her fingers back [TS]

01:22:00   over the screen and so as soon as I [TS]

01:22:02   started happening I'm like okay we can't [TS]

01:22:04   you're not pushing this any further and [TS]

01:22:06   I gave her my small iPad pro to use with [TS]

01:22:11   the pencil hmm okay and she totally fell [TS]

01:22:14   in love with using the pencil this is [TS]

01:22:16   just like I was really pushing the Wacom [TS]

01:22:19   tablet on you a long time ago like the [TS]

01:22:21   pencil is a great interface and everyone [TS]

01:22:23   I have ever been able to successfully [TS]

01:22:24   get them to try using it on a computer [TS]

01:22:26   they they've eventually adopted and [TS]

01:22:28   loved it feel like it's the same thing [TS]

01:22:30   with the pencil once again we will say [TS]

01:22:32   buy a Wacom tablet set it to pen mode [TS]

01:22:34   yes then try it for a week yeah yeah [TS]

01:22:37   hearing has to do with that way that is [TS]

01:22:39   the steps and also currently we are both [TS]

01:22:41   using the into goes pro yep right yeah [TS]

01:22:44   Fitz vent an absolutely fantastic has [TS]

01:22:46   buttons that you can set to do shortcut [TS]

01:22:49   is brilliant it's it's it's a really [TS]

01:22:51   great piece of hardware but yeah so my [TS]

01:22:53   wife then started using the pencil with [TS]

01:22:55   her iPad which was my old nine point [TS]

01:22:58   seven now where we were in what I [TS]

01:23:02   thought was going to be the life cycle [TS]

01:23:04   of the iPad I thought oh this will just [TS]

01:23:07   be for a couple months all right and the [TS]

01:23:09   visual you guys yeah it ended up being [TS]

01:23:12   like a year and more sad without this [TS]

01:23:14   small iPad which I think III know what [TS]

01:23:19   this sounds like by like I cannot [TS]

01:23:20   describe how much of a disruptor in this [TS]

01:23:21   actually was because of the way that I [TS]

01:23:23   like to split and divide my work and I [TS]

01:23:26   just is this he's just his creeping [TS]

01:23:29   delay of every month I thought well like [TS]

01:23:31   well I'm not gonna buy another one now [TS]

01:23:32   like it's great and every month that [TS]

01:23:34   goes by it's crazier and crazier so [TS]

01:23:36   she's been using that thing but sound [TS]

01:23:39   sounds like we have something in common [TS]

01:23:40   here because while my wife loves using [TS]

01:23:43   the pencil as UI navigation she'll never [TS]

01:23:46   go back [TS]

01:23:47   it's not a big fan of the bigger size [TS]

01:23:50   right she has been saying to me I can't [TS]

01:23:54   wait for them to come out with the mini [TS]

01:23:55   with Hansel support and I have been I [TS]

01:23:58   have been trying so hard to be like I [TS]

01:24:01   just want to be clear and don't think [TS]

01:24:03   this is going to happen you just you [TS]

01:24:05   need to prepare yourself for that and [TS]

01:24:07   this has been a thought that has been I [TS]

01:24:10   think like I have been incapable of [TS]

01:24:12   putting it in her mot like lodging it [TS]

01:24:14   properly in her mind because it keeps [TS]

01:24:16   coming back ups where be like I'm really [TS]

01:24:17   looking forward to having the mini with [TS]

01:24:19   pencil support and like okay but I think [TS]

01:24:20   you should you might want to prepare [TS]

01:24:21   yourself that the mini might not be [TS]

01:24:23   around like you bet you might need to do [TS]

01:24:24   this so just just a small thing to cut [TS]

01:24:27   just a double back again that UI that [TS]

01:24:30   you were talking about before where you [TS]

01:24:32   can have the pencil touch the screen and [TS]

01:24:35   pop you right into a note and just start [TS]

01:24:37   writing when I saw that that UI alone [TS]

01:24:42   made me feel even more like I really [TS]

01:24:43   wish they did make a mini that worked [TS]

01:24:46   with a pencil because that's a notepad [TS]

01:24:49   that UI is like it's begging to be a [TS]

01:24:53   notepad it really really is begging to [TS]

01:24:56   be a notepad [TS]

01:24:57   I suspect since they didn't update the [TS]

01:25:00   mini this time like it's not going to [TS]

01:25:01   happen and especially not like pen [TS]

01:25:03   support with the mini if they ever do [TS]

01:25:05   update the mini current state of the [TS]

01:25:06   mini is not good they are under selling [TS]

01:25:08   one model of it it's the most expensive [TS]

01:25:11   with the highest storage option yeah [TS]

01:25:13   that is not a good sign along with a lot [TS]

01:25:16   of rumors are sounding getting rid of it [TS]

01:25:18   yeah it's it really isn't a good sign [TS]

01:25:20   but but looking at that UI for quickly [TS]

01:25:24   being able to write a note it just it [TS]

01:25:27   feels like it's almost designed for [TS]

01:25:29   someone to have a little notepad with [TS]

01:25:32   them that they can write on it just it [TS]

01:25:34   feels it feels so perfect but it's not [TS]

01:25:37   around so so you know when you're a fan [TS]

01:25:40   of a technology company especially Apple [TS]

01:25:42   mm-hmm and someone in your life is upset [TS]

01:25:46   at that company and then they start like [TS]

01:25:50   treating you as if you're gonna hear yes [TS]

01:25:54   is like why are you getting rid of the [TS]

01:25:56   mini when you wanna argue on behalf of [TS]

01:26:00   the calm [TS]

01:26:00   you like where it's like you know um the [TS]

01:26:03   argument that I had with a dinner about [TS]

01:26:06   this not like we weren't showing each [TS]

01:26:08   other how was I was being Apple in this [TS]

01:26:10   right is it and is like they know how [TS]

01:26:13   many of these devices they sell and if [TS]

01:26:14   they sold lots of iPad minis they would [TS]

01:26:16   keep making the iPad Mini I think [TS]

01:26:18   they're not selling a lot of iPad minis [TS]

01:26:20   and I know that there is this like there [TS]

01:26:23   is a cycle which you can argue that if [TS]

01:26:24   you're not updating it you're not going [TS]

01:26:26   to sell it but I think they're smarter [TS]

01:26:27   than that and they can look at trends [TS]

01:26:29   over time and I think the iPad Mini used [TS]

01:26:32   to sell really well but over time has [TS]

01:26:34   not so much right and the iPad Mini that [TS]

01:26:38   Edina owns is my old iPad Mini 2 and I [TS]

01:26:41   had been trying to convince her for a [TS]

01:26:43   long time to update that and now we're a [TS]

01:26:46   point where updating is a ridiculous [TS]

01:26:48   thing to do right because it is more [TS]

01:26:50   expensive than the regular iPad now it's [TS]

01:26:54   like it's like well are 500 pounds right [TS]

01:26:56   to buy and iPad Mini right now so I mean [TS]

01:27:00   the easy suggestion of maybe you should [TS]

01:27:04   use the the kitchen iPad the iPad air 2 [TS]

01:27:06   that was not met very kindly as a [TS]

01:27:10   solution so I don't know what we're [TS]

01:27:12   gonna do [TS]

01:27:13   yeah it's it's interesting um I I know a [TS]

01:27:15   bunch of people who are fans of the of [TS]

01:27:19   the iPad Mini like really big fans and [TS]

01:27:21   it's only the same reaction that me and [TS]

01:27:23   you had when we thought that like where [TS]

01:27:25   is our iPad right like it's the same [TS]

01:27:27   reaction of how dare you yeah yeah it it [TS]

01:27:31   definitely is just that it is a long way [TS]

01:27:34   of saying one I'm I am sat on a personal [TS]

01:27:38   level twice that there is not a mini pro [TS]

01:27:42   because I know that could not be the [TS]

01:27:44   more perfect machine for my wife and I [TS]

01:27:48   also think there would be a real market [TS]

01:27:51   for a like a notebook size thing to make [TS]

01:27:55   handwritten notes on uh but I just don't [TS]

01:27:58   think that's going to happen and the [TS]

01:27:59   first rule of multipack club is more [TS]

01:28:01   iPads right like you know like a reason [TS]

01:28:04   to own a third for a different use is [TS]

01:28:06   only a good thing I personally would not [TS]

01:28:08   get a a mini pro I really like I'm okay [TS]

01:28:11   I really wouldn't have a [TS]

01:28:13   we're on it anyway like it's too close [TS]

01:28:14   to the phone lights what yeah [TS]

01:28:16   asterisk ear I love pencil support on [TS]

01:28:19   the phone me too and and I'll tell you [TS]

01:28:20   uh not from my end but someone in my [TS]

01:28:24   household [TS]

01:28:24   occasionally curse is very loudly when [TS]

01:28:27   she's using her iPad pro give it a [TS]

01:28:30   hassle not even not giving anything away [TS]

01:28:33   she's using the iPad pro a nine point [TS]

01:28:35   seven with her pencil and reaches over [TS]

01:28:39   to tap something on her phone and it's [TS]

01:28:41   like and it does nothing I was like Skyy [TS]

01:28:43   right this is like being shocked with [TS]

01:28:45   electricity I really hope they do bring [TS]

01:28:47   pencil support to the iPhone at some [TS]

01:28:49   point I'm not holding my breath but it [TS]

01:28:51   would be nice ah but yeah so that so [TS]

01:28:54   that is a situation uh I am planning on [TS]

01:28:57   getting both of the new iPad pros at the [TS]

01:29:00   same time I am planning on getting them [TS]

01:29:04   at the same time because what I want to [TS]

01:29:05   do is I want to go back to the situation [TS]

01:29:08   that I had before [TS]

01:29:10   when I had a smaller iPad pro before it [TS]

01:29:12   got used in another way of having an [TS]

01:29:16   ability to separate out different areas [TS]

01:29:18   of my working life yeah and in [TS]

01:29:22   particular I the the place I really do [TS]

01:29:25   the only place that I don't like the [TS]

01:29:27   12:9 is on the couch I feel like it is [TS]

01:29:31   too big of a machine to be using on the [TS]

01:29:33   couch yep I feel like it's like it's [TS]

01:29:35   almost a wall between you and the other [TS]

01:29:37   people on the couch it's too big of a [TS]

01:29:39   screen it's like distracting for the [TS]

01:29:41   other person who's on the couch is the [TS]

01:29:43   only place I don't like it and that's [TS]

01:29:45   where I would definitely want to use a [TS]

01:29:46   smaller machine and when I had the 97 I [TS]

01:29:49   always found that I was actually like a [TS]

01:29:51   really great admin machine sitting on [TS]

01:29:54   the couch and so that that is my plan [TS]

01:29:57   for the 10 5 is to use it in in that way [TS]

01:29:59   and like in that situation particularly [TS]

01:30:01   a few other things but the 12 9 is still [TS]

01:30:04   going to be my main general-purpose [TS]

01:30:08   computer that I use for everything [TS]

01:30:10   that's not a specialized task one thing [TS]

01:30:13   those I haven't actually seen it well 9 [TS]

01:30:15   yet hmm [TS]

01:30:16   and I'm a little bit scared of that [TS]

01:30:19   because [TS]

01:30:22   the 12 point 9 inch iPad has also gained [TS]

01:30:24   the true tone display hmm that display [TS]

01:30:28   the true tone display with the 120 [TS]

01:30:31   megahertz refresh rate is gonna be [TS]

01:30:33   bonkers so I'm worried that like I'm [TS]

01:30:38   gonna go to the store mm-hmm [TS]

01:30:40   to get my 10.5 mm-hmm and I'm just gonna [TS]

01:30:42   take a look at twelve point nine right [TS]

01:30:44   and walk out with both of them [TS]

01:30:46   I don't really going to show you a [TS]

01:30:49   little sparkles around at this cool [TS]

01:30:51   little spot light coming down from the [TS]

01:30:54   ceiling happy music and you're not going [TS]

01:30:55   to be able to resist is that your [TS]

01:30:56   concern that is my concern [TS]

01:30:58   I mean I have my iPad fund mmm because I [TS]

01:31:03   got to save for longer than I was [TS]

01:31:05   expecting [TS]

01:31:05   right my refresh is right so the money [TS]

01:31:08   is there anyway [TS]

01:31:09   mmm oh it's it's it's bottle rate I [TS]

01:31:12   probably we know how that I mean the [TS]

01:31:14   reason is it's like I know I'm gonna do [TS]

01:31:15   it is my plan to to refresh them both [TS]

01:31:18   but it was I wanted to be able to spend [TS]

01:31:20   more time with the the newest hardware [TS]

01:31:23   like the 10.5 before okay having them [TS]

01:31:26   both so I could really put a 10.5 [TS]

01:31:28   through its paces mmm but we'll see how [TS]

01:31:31   it ends up when I actually go to the [TS]

01:31:32   store on new keyboards as well hmm so [TS]

01:31:35   the 10.9 inches obviously it's a big [TS]

01:31:37   goes it's bigger keys are bigger have [TS]

01:31:40   you plated this new smart keyboard at [TS]

01:31:42   all yeah I have had a chance to play [TS]

01:31:44   with the smart Keyboard on the 10.5 it [TS]

01:31:49   looks bigger I mean I want to look at it [TS]

01:31:52   I can see it's bigger yeah it's I had an [TS]

01:31:55   outside hope that maybe there'd be a way [TS]

01:31:58   to use the 10-5 as the main machine [TS]

01:32:01   because I really like the smart keyboard [TS]

01:32:03   cover but I like I have to have a full [TS]

01:32:06   size keyboard it's a real deal breaker [TS]

01:32:08   the 10.5 smart keyboard it's so close [TS]

01:32:12   but it's thick it's just maybe 2 [TS]

01:32:16   centimeters too short right and that's [TS]

01:32:18   just enough that when I start typing [TS]

01:32:20   quickly I start like the number of [TS]

01:32:22   mistakes goes up very very fast so I I [TS]

01:32:26   can't use that as a general-purpose [TS]

01:32:29   machine I do love the lightness of it [TS]

01:32:33   big win because the 12:9 is like just [TS]

01:32:35   under my heaviness threshold is a tank [TS]

01:32:38   it is it is a total tank if it was two [TS]

01:32:40   tenths of a pound heavier I would never [TS]

01:32:43   use it but I find it like it's it's just [TS]

01:32:46   under that threshold for me so I'm [TS]

01:32:48   totally fine and the trade-off of having [TS]

01:32:49   a real full size keyboard is is [TS]

01:32:51   completely worth it if you're a person [TS]

01:32:53   who found the old 9 7 smart keyboard [TS]

01:32:57   just a little too small you might be [TS]

01:32:58   perfectly fine with it with the 10 5 [TS]

01:33:00   keyboard it is bigger but it's just a [TS]

01:33:03   little too small for me still and [TS]

01:33:06   there's like you seen this like sleeve [TS]

01:33:08   oh yeah yeah this like well I looked and [TS]

01:33:12   thought was a completely pointless thing [TS]

01:33:14   this lever sleeve yeah they said that [TS]

01:33:16   they showed that on screen at the kick [TS]

01:33:18   at the keynote I was like well that's [TS]

01:33:19   dumb and then I saw it in person and it [TS]

01:33:22   looks real good [TS]

01:33:24   it's the equivalent of will you'd see [TS]

01:33:28   like an old desk and it would have a [TS]

01:33:29   piece of lever built into the desk as [TS]

01:33:31   the writing pad area yeah it reminds me [TS]

01:33:34   exactly yeah that's exactly what it is [TS]

01:33:36   so you take your iPad out and you put [TS]

01:33:38   your little lever sleeve down and you [TS]

01:33:39   take the pencil out the little well that [TS]

01:33:41   they have for its really nice it's a [TS]

01:33:43   nice accessory and it's if I was ever [TS]

01:33:47   gonna use something like that it would [TS]

01:33:48   be seen as I could something to put in [TS]

01:33:50   and out of a bag yeah that's it I the [TS]

01:33:53   thing that that made me reconsider that [TS]

01:33:56   is one it looks really nice in person it [TS]

01:33:58   works with the cover of the iPad which I [TS]

01:34:01   I never I just assumed that it wouldn't [TS]

01:34:03   right I thought like it would be a [TS]

01:34:04   replacement for having this mark that [TS]

01:34:05   you made for that yeah it has been [TS]

01:34:08   measured to be used with the keyboard [TS]

01:34:09   cover attached yeah that and and that [TS]

01:34:11   totally changes it because in my mind I [TS]

01:34:13   just assumed oh this is not what it's [TS]

01:34:15   for it is an alternative cover it's not [TS]

01:34:18   meant to be used with the keyboard cover [TS]

01:34:19   so as soon as I realized I like that's [TS]

01:34:21   great because when I'm traveling in [TS]

01:34:23   particular that that's one time I'm very [TS]

01:34:24   aware of trying not to lose the pencil [TS]

01:34:27   and I'm like I feel like my brain is [TS]

01:34:30   always on high alert about where's the [TS]

01:34:32   pencil when I'm traveling and that makes [TS]

01:34:36   that case really nice that I have a unit [TS]

01:34:38   on an airplane that I can pull out it [TS]

01:34:40   has both pieces that I need I can put [TS]

01:34:43   both pieces back and slap it back into [TS]

01:34:45   the suitcase when I'm done so [TS]

01:34:46   I think I'll pick up one of those for [TS]

01:34:49   travel usage if nothing else there is [TS]

01:34:51   one number accessory which is just a [TS]

01:34:54   leather key cover case yeah for the [TS]

01:35:00   pencil I think it's that's not gonna [TS]

01:35:02   happen but it's not gonna happen [TS]

01:35:04   like it doesn't making it doesn't change [TS]

01:35:05   it in any way like it doesn't do [TS]

01:35:07   anything like the pencil is this [TS]

01:35:08   indestructible piece of acrylic plastic [TS]

01:35:10   like it doesn't it doesn't need [TS]

01:35:12   protecting it doesn't it's like all we [TS]

01:35:13   got scuffed yeah uh yeah I'm you know [TS]

01:35:16   red ibly rough on my hardware I've never [TS]

01:35:19   noticed anything with the pencil like [TS]

01:35:21   scratch even scratches and Psyche um I'm [TS]

01:35:24   rolling it through sand and gravel [TS]

01:35:25   everyday I never notice anything good [TS]

01:35:27   and on the construction site where the [TS]

01:35:29   iPad is used yeah the last one of the [TS]

01:35:32   last things on the multi-part lifestyle [TS]

01:35:34   and it isn't it is a tenant of the of [TS]

01:35:37   the the lifestyle is what happens to the [TS]

01:35:41   previous devices mm-hmm so if we both [TS]

01:35:44   replace our current equipment where the [TS]

01:35:49   old ones go I wish I'm just looking [TS]

01:35:52   around the room right now we're in your [TS]

01:35:53   room I wish we were in my room because I [TS]

01:35:56   would show you what my current twelve [TS]

01:35:58   point nine inch iPad looks like and uh [TS]

01:36:02   it had a big drop huh like a year ago oh [TS]

01:36:06   oh there's like a like clunk is totally [TS]

01:36:11   dented out the corner and I thought wow [TS]

01:36:13   whatever it's not a big deal but over [TS]

01:36:16   the months what has been happening is [TS]

01:36:19   the screen is slowly slowly separating [TS]

01:36:23   uh on my 12:9 and just like I kept [TS]

01:36:27   thinking Oh any day now though a little [TS]

01:36:29   bit bill release on its like I would [TS]

01:36:31   never have lived with this as a hardware [TS]

01:36:33   problem for as long as I did but I kept [TS]

01:36:35   thinking like I'm gonna be replacing [TS]

01:36:36   this machine any day now because it was [TS]

01:36:38   like our pleasure in September um I'd be [TS]

01:36:40   much yeah exactly right right yeah ever [TS]

01:36:43   saw March is like well it's gotta be [TS]

01:36:44   WWDC right as I yeah it use nothing [TS]

01:36:48   forever yeah it's it is the the most [TS]

01:36:51   banged up hardware that I have so that [TS]

01:36:55   that that twelve nine is not long for [TS]

01:36:56   this world anyway so [TS]

01:36:58   that thing is going and nobody because [TS]

01:37:00   it'll slice their hands open inside [TS]

01:37:02   where the screen is so so that thing is [TS]

01:37:04   is just gone my wife is going to keep [TS]

01:37:06   using the smaller iPad Pro because she [TS]

01:37:08   doesn't want anything that's bigger she [TS]

01:37:09   already thinks that one is too big so [TS]

01:37:11   that so that'll stick around so this is [TS]

01:37:13   actually for me [TS]

01:37:14   essentially a hardware replacement cycle [TS]

01:37:16   yeah okay but for me I think I'm just [TS]

01:37:18   gonna shuffle them down the line so like [TS]

01:37:20   the current 97 will become the kitchen [TS]

01:37:22   iPad right right or overcoming Dena's [TS]

01:37:25   iPad if she can bear it mm-hmm [TS]

01:37:27   and then the current kitchen iPad which [TS]

01:37:30   is in there too will go to another [TS]

01:37:31   member of my family at a 12-9 I have I [TS]

01:37:33   have no idea then one can do with that [TS]

01:37:35   yet because I I don't know if anyone [TS]

01:37:37   will want it just because it's such a [TS]

01:37:39   it's a specific device mmm for a [TS]

01:37:42   specific type of person yeah exactly and [TS]

01:37:44   so I'll have to ask around family and [TS]

01:37:46   friends if anybody wants to take out [TS]

01:37:47   man's the covered in sticker device that [TS]

01:37:50   it is yeah I mean it's funny is you say [TS]

01:37:53   it's a specific device for a specific [TS]

01:37:55   person but I can't remember if I've [TS]

01:37:57   mentioned on the show or not but when [TS]

01:38:01   that iPad broke came out in my family we [TS]

01:38:04   had a tech support decision which was [TS]

01:38:07   transitioning my aunt from his MacBook [TS]

01:38:10   that she had that was like an eight year [TS]

01:38:12   old MacBook it was only lasting [TS]

01:38:15   long-term yeah I was like this it was so [TS]

01:38:18   old and uh it was so old that like Apple [TS]

01:38:23   would refuse to do any support on it and [TS]

01:38:25   it was a really interesting experience [TS]

01:38:27   because her her needs were so minimal [TS]

01:38:30   for computing and like she just does web [TS]

01:38:32   browsing and email [TS]

01:38:34   she doesn't even really do text or [TS]

01:38:35   anything but when it came around to [TS]

01:38:38   thinking like oh what are we going to do [TS]

01:38:39   with my aunt because this thing is is [TS]

01:38:41   not going to make it until the next time [TS]

01:38:43   I come and visit right it's like all the [TS]

01:38:45   tech support builds up for every time I [TS]

01:38:47   go to visit my family and we're [TS]

01:38:49   realizing like it's not going to last [TS]

01:38:51   until the next time that I comes we have [TS]

01:38:53   to do something and I took a gamble with [TS]

01:38:56   that and I decided let's put my aunt on [TS]

01:38:59   the twelve point nine inch iPad pro now [TS]

01:39:03   she's the most unpro [TS]

01:39:06   and she loves that machine it is it was [TS]

01:39:10   itself it's so interesting to see [TS]

01:39:12   they're like oh actually on the reverse [TS]

01:39:15   end of the spectrum this is a perfect [TS]

01:39:17   computer it has a hole size hardware [TS]

01:39:21   keyboard and if you set it up so there's [TS]

01:39:25   just a couple buttons on the home screen [TS]

01:39:26   here's your email here's your web [TS]

01:39:28   browser here's some maps and no one can [TS]

01:39:31   mess around of it right no way it can be [TS]

01:39:34   broken the tech support requirement is [TS]

01:39:37   minimum and it has like we were saying [TS]

01:39:40   before this feature of there's no [TS]

01:39:43   drop-down menus to find stuff in it's [TS]

01:39:45   like everything is just on the screen to [TS]

01:39:47   touch so I have actually found like it's [TS]

01:39:52   very interesting to me that my aunt has [TS]

01:39:55   has taken to that and totally loves it [TS]

01:39:58   and so in a weird way it's actually a [TS]

01:40:01   very good machine on the total reverse [TS]

01:40:03   end of the spectrum and she uses it just [TS]

01:40:06   just like a little laptop 100% sure she [TS]

01:40:08   knows the screen even comes off right [TS]

01:40:09   business is like it's just a lot laptop [TS]

01:40:11   to her and she's like oh the software is [TS]

01:40:13   different and she's great no no problem [TS]

01:40:16   at all Oh exactly Computer Group yeah [TS]

01:40:20   it's just what we wanted great do you [TS]

01:40:22   feel do you feel placate it isn't the [TS]

01:40:26   word you satisfied when we spend a lot [TS]

01:40:29   of time recently talking about but we [TS]

01:40:32   were unhappy with the way that thing's [TS]

01:40:34   gonna I've been kind of thinking about [TS]

01:40:36   this that like WWDC 2016 2 wc 2017 was [TS]

01:40:41   an error of dissatisfaction and [TS]

01:40:43   pessimism in the Apple community which [TS]

01:40:46   led to me and you rethinking how we [TS]

01:40:47   wanted to move going forward it felt [TS]

01:40:49   like we were on all fronts louisia right [TS]

01:40:52   like even our max we're losing out which [TS]

01:40:54   is the least important of our devices [TS]

01:40:57   and we kind of felt like the pro users [TS]

01:41:00   of Apple being left out in the cold it [TS]

01:41:02   was it was a long walk through the [TS]

01:41:04   valley of darkness yeah [TS]

01:41:05   like without a doubt like it's just been [TS]

01:41:08   bad hmm [TS]

01:41:10   but as you said earlier in the episode [TS]

01:41:13   every WC 2017 everyone got everything [TS]

01:41:16   they wanted how do you feel so in our [TS]

01:41:22   previous episode I mentioned that if I [TS]

01:41:24   got everything that I wanted it would [TS]

01:41:27   still not be enough mm-hmm and here's [TS]

01:41:32   the thing that is that statement is true [TS]

01:41:33   but I stand I stand by that statement [TS]

01:41:36   because what I want to see is not just [TS]

01:41:41   oh we've had a magical year and [TS]

01:41:44   everybody got everything they wanted [TS]

01:41:45   which while I'm extremely happy there is [TS]

01:41:49   still that feeling of like some of the [TS]

01:41:50   stuff just feels way overdue [TS]

01:41:52   like it should have it should have been [TS]

01:41:53   sooner like seeing it now I can [TS]

01:41:55   understand maybe why like okay [TS]

01:41:56   multitasking you were doing a UI refresh [TS]

01:41:59   with it like I can see why these things [TS]

01:42:00   took a long time but nonetheless there [TS]

01:42:02   still is a little bit of a feeling of [TS]

01:42:04   like okay Apple we're back on the level [TS]

01:42:06   you put on an amazing show right it's [TS]

01:42:09   like you've got elephants and lions and [TS]

01:42:10   magic boxes and it's great [TS]

01:42:12   you put an amazing stone I'm like I'm [TS]

01:42:14   satisfied I'm satisfied very happy and [TS]

01:42:16   also satisfied so I feel that way it was [TS]

01:42:20   a great WWDC I really want to [TS]

01:42:22   congratulate everybody was working on it [TS]

01:42:24   like it's fantastic I do have that [TS]

01:42:27   feeling of I will be truly happy when I [TS]

01:42:32   see that it is less than two years until [TS]

01:42:34   this happens again like on on uh on this [TS]

01:42:37   on my personal wish list for WWDC [TS]

01:42:41   the number one item was less than two [TS]

01:42:44   years until the next major round of iPad [TS]

01:42:46   improvements and I have that feeling but [TS]

01:42:50   I can also say that I feel very [TS]

01:42:54   confident that it won't be two years [TS]

01:42:58   until that happens why [TS]

01:43:03   because I don't think that the magic box [TS]

01:43:07   with a gift for everybody was an [TS]

01:43:09   accident [TS]

01:43:10   like thinking back over that keynote and [TS]

01:43:12   looking at all of the things that they [TS]

01:43:15   did I didn't realize it until after the [TS]

01:43:18   keynote was over how much of the stuff [TS]

01:43:21   they talked about was future stuff right [TS]

01:43:24   like they they wanted to hit everybody's [TS]

01:43:27   got something and it's like hey we've [TS]

01:43:30   got new Macs today but guess what [TS]

01:43:33   there's going to be this totally awesome [TS]

01:43:34   iMac Pro it's coming out in December [TS]

01:43:36   right and it's like hey we're working on [TS]

01:43:37   a speaker ok that's coming out later in [TS]

01:43:39   the year like and they they went through [TS]

01:43:41   everything so that everybody can feel [TS]

01:43:43   happy and that is such it that is such a [TS]

01:43:46   departure from the normal appellate alit [TS]

01:43:52   done yeah well wait til it's done and [TS]

01:43:53   we'll tell you when it's available for [TS]

01:43:55   sale right now and I just maybe I'm [TS]

01:43:59   interpreting it wrong but I really do [TS]

01:44:01   feel like this was an intentional [TS]

01:44:02   decision to have a total crowd pleaser [TS]

01:44:06   and that is a great opportunity to be a [TS]

01:44:10   reset button of like let's make [TS]

01:44:13   everybody happy there's something for [TS]

01:44:15   everybody and I am taking that as a very [TS]

01:44:18   good sign that there's an internal [TS]

01:44:21   reassessment and Apple of even if it's [TS]

01:44:24   taking us longer to do stuff let's try [TS]

01:44:26   to be better about communicating it at [TS]

01:44:28   the very least and let's be aware of [TS]

01:44:30   just updating stuff as we go along so [TS]

01:44:33   and maybe proven wrong in the future but [TS]

01:44:36   I feel very confident that it's not [TS]

01:44:39   going to be two years until the next [TS]

01:44:42   round that I'm going to see you in San [TS]

01:44:45   Jose next year and I'll be able to tick [TS]

01:44:47   off that top box on this year's wish [TS]

01:44:50   list it's not going to take two years [TS]

01:44:52   for this to happen again I feel exactly [TS]

01:44:54   the same as you but a little bit more so [TS]

01:44:56   in that I don't like having to be [TS]

01:44:59   pessimistic all the time like it's no [TS]

01:45:02   it's terrible it's very frustrating and [TS]

01:45:05   it's not happy and it makes me not enjoy [TS]

01:45:08   my job as much mm-hm you know my job has [TS]

01:45:10   inbuilt and it's so much enjoyment for [TS]

01:45:12   me because I get to do and talk about [TS]

01:45:14   the things that I love [TS]

01:45:15   spending the last maybe nine months [TS]

01:45:18   being annoyed mmm and frustrated has [TS]

01:45:21   made my job less fun yeah [TS]

01:45:23   so I'm my current feeling right now [TS]

01:45:26   going for the next 12 months is I'm [TS]

01:45:28   gonna try and be as optimistic as I can [TS]

01:45:30   because what I have in front of me right [TS]

01:45:33   now is really exciting yes because I've [TS]

01:45:35   been given all the tools that I was [TS]

01:45:37   looking for so I'm gonna try and enjoy [TS]

01:45:39   them as much as possible hmm because I [TS]

01:45:41   feel like that that is a thing I can do [TS]

01:45:43   like I always try but last year was not [TS]

01:45:46   really given anything so it was really [TS]

01:45:48   it was like a stretch you know after the [TS]

01:45:50   first like three or four or five months [TS]

01:45:52   it just got really tricky because it was [TS]

01:45:54   like okay the software sucks [TS]

01:45:55   but at least I'm gonna get on a new [TS]

01:45:57   hardware ah right then fine I'll just [TS]

01:45:58   well new iPhones are now or I'll stick [TS]

01:46:01   with a car not the way they often looks [TS]

01:46:03   right like yeah really [TS]

01:46:05   we've got air pods which are fantastic [TS]

01:46:07   mm-hmm that's kind of it really like in [TS]

01:46:09   the grand scheme of things the things [TS]

01:46:10   that really surprised and made me happy [TS]

01:46:12   in the past year hmm that was the big [TS]

01:46:15   one yeah and everything else that I was [TS]

01:46:17   hoping for I had to wait a bit longer [TS]

01:46:19   for so now I'm like well I have all this [TS]

01:46:23   stuff that I wanted now they gave it to [TS]

01:46:24   me in one day [TS]

01:46:25   mm-hmm like even though things are not [TS]

01:46:27   that gone like that the home pod the [TS]

01:46:30   Siri speaker music thing it understand [TS]

01:46:32   think is a product for me that they're [TS]

01:46:34   focusing way more on music and I don't [TS]

01:46:37   really consume music that way at home [TS]

01:46:39   I'll just say I have a suspicion about [TS]

01:46:41   the home pod I've been like I don't push [TS]

01:46:43   on everybody which is I think the name [TS]

01:46:46   makes sense if you think that the [TS]

01:46:49   direction that Apple is going is this is [TS]

01:46:51   good this device right now is not it's [TS]

01:46:54   in Kent I don't know what its gonna be [TS]

01:46:56   they're showing all the music stuff [TS]

01:46:57   right now because Gary isn't at the [TS]

01:46:59   point where they want it to be now and [TS]

01:47:01   it seems like even by the time this [TS]

01:47:04   ships in December the story could be [TS]

01:47:06   really different but just where they are [TS]

01:47:08   today they're focusing way more on the [TS]

01:47:11   music aspect because that's the best [TS]

01:47:12   feature of it because it's his [TS]

01:47:14   incredible speaker like as they show it [TS]

01:47:16   right now it's not for me but I'm sure [TS]

01:47:18   it's actually a product for a lot of [TS]

01:47:20   people and if you listen to music at [TS]

01:47:22   home like this is a thing in your house [TS]

01:47:25   this looks fantastic and I know people [TS]

01:47:27   that I've heard it [TS]

01:47:29   I've read some stuff about people that [TS]

01:47:30   have actually heard the thing and for [TS]

01:47:32   the money it seems to be an incredibly [TS]

01:47:34   good speaker but like for me we like the [TS]

01:47:38   Amazon echo at home because of its [TS]

01:47:40   integrations for services and Apple is [TS]

01:47:42   an at that point with this product yet [TS]

01:47:43   so I have no desire to change but I'm [TS]

01:47:46   not begrudging it yeah because they're [TS]

01:47:48   not standing on stage and saying like [TS]

01:47:50   this is our answer to the echo right [TS]

01:47:53   right they showed the echo on stage and [TS]

01:47:55   they're like they want to make a product [TS]

01:47:58   that was a combination between a really [TS]

01:47:59   great speaker like a Sonos and something [TS]

01:48:01   smart like an echo and it seems to have [TS]

01:48:03   that because you can do some serious [TS]

01:48:04   talk with it but it's definitely not [TS]

01:48:06   their answer to it not yet [TS]

01:48:08   I believe like you that it will be [TS]

01:48:09   because the clues in the name [TS]

01:48:11   yeah that is like talking about what are [TS]

01:48:14   we expecting in the future I feel like [TS]

01:48:16   the home pod name is an arrow pointing [TS]

01:48:20   in the direction of future development [TS]

01:48:22   and it can do some stuff like it can act [TS]

01:48:24   as the like base of your home kit [TS]

01:48:27   devices I can't remember the actual [TS]

01:48:28   terminology Apple use but effectively [TS]

01:48:30   like the home server for those devices [TS]

01:48:32   it can do that where the Apple TV can [TS]

01:48:34   currently do it so like it has some [TS]

01:48:36   functionality there or or an old iPad [TS]

01:48:38   which or I old iPad which is my central [TS]

01:48:40   server - by accident my kitchen iPad is [TS]

01:48:43   by accident my home and the home port [TS]

01:48:45   and we get thing but like so it's got [TS]

01:48:49   that stuff but it's like I'm not annoyed [TS]

01:48:51   about this like what I wanted was Apple [TS]

01:48:54   to give me something I could replace [TS]

01:48:55   mica with but they didn't but it's fine [TS]

01:48:57   mmm Gaja keep using man was like man was [TS]

01:48:59   Anika cool with it but I know that if [TS]

01:49:02   they wouldn't have given me the iPad [TS]

01:49:03   stuff my overall feeling would've been [TS]

01:49:06   pessimism and I was really annoyed about [TS]

01:49:08   the home pod right right yeah that's [TS]

01:49:10   what the last year has been that every [TS]

01:49:12   announcement [TS]

01:49:12   Apple has had has not been good enough [TS]

01:49:15   right because they weren't necessarily [TS]

01:49:18   what I was looking for and they also [TS]

01:49:19   hadn't given me anything else right I [TS]

01:49:21   know and it's it's like there there's an [TS]

01:49:24   alternate universe where this WWDC [TS]

01:49:27   keynote has you know maybe no new iPads [TS]

01:49:31   or like it's just missing a bunch of [TS]

01:49:32   stuff but they still have that [TS]

01:49:34   kaleidoscope watch face and I would be [TS]

01:49:37   burning down the world right but you [TS]

01:49:39   know the other thing is I've recorded [TS]

01:49:41   two shows I've listened to two shows [TS]

01:49:43   he talks about the opening video oh [TS]

01:49:45   right yes of course which was funny but [TS]

01:49:48   in points kind of tone-deaf that that [TS]

01:49:51   video is going to come to bite Apple in [TS]

01:49:54   the ass eventually because someday [TS]

01:49:57   they're going to have a major iCloud [TS]

01:49:59   like out in and that is going to be the [TS]

01:50:02   first thing that people on the internet [TS]

01:50:03   remixes like all right remember when you [TS]

01:50:05   made the video about a big disaster at [TS]

01:50:07   your data center yeah and those up [TS]

01:50:09   nobodies iPhones and we've cited the [TS]

01:50:11   apocalypse but that's not being bought [TS]

01:50:13   up yeah [TS]

01:50:14   where it would be usually yeah but we [TS]

01:50:16   just haven't got time to criticize yeah [TS]

01:50:18   and and it and it's also in in the scope [TS]

01:50:20   of things I mean just to touch back upon [TS]

01:50:25   it briefly like I I think maybe the [TS]

01:50:27   worst decision that Apple made when we [TS]

01:50:29   were in the valley of darkness was [TS]

01:50:30   releasing the book about how fantastic [TS]

01:50:32   all of their products are I think that [TS]

01:50:34   is maybe the most tone-deaf getting [TS]

01:50:36   Apple has ever done or a history of the [TS]

01:50:38   company is like guys hold off that book [TS]

01:50:41   just until after this WWDC right and [TS]

01:50:46   it's like now that is an example of like [TS]

01:50:49   it seems like you're showing off a bunch [TS]

01:50:51   of stuff while you have you've got [TS]

01:50:53   nothing to back it up [TS]

01:50:54   and something like with this WWDC it's [TS]

01:50:58   like okay is that for his video a little [TS]

01:51:00   tone deaf [TS]

01:51:01   is that Kaleidoscope watchface may be [TS]

01:51:03   the worst thing i've ever seen but it [TS]

01:51:05   does it like you're willing to go [TS]

01:51:07   totally past it because it's like look [TS]

01:51:09   at that sexy iMac Pro like Eggers dumb [TS]

01:51:11   video whatever like who cares oh my god [TS]

01:51:13   you put new processes in a MacBook Pro [TS]

01:51:15   ready yes yes thumbs like and and so [TS]

01:51:18   it's it's this feeling like when you're [TS]

01:51:20   doing amazing things the people who like [TS]

01:51:23   your products are also willing to cut [TS]

01:51:25   you a lot of runway and if you're just [TS]

01:51:27   silent and doing nothing and everything [TS]

01:51:29   is unhappy then the story turns to like [TS]

01:51:32   everything you do is a PR disaster and a [TS]

01:51:34   waste of waste of resources so I feel [TS]

01:51:36   that I feel like Apple has bought [TS]

01:51:38   themselves a lot of runway with this [TS]

01:51:39   WWDC and it's also because of that [TS]

01:51:42   signaling that I've I feel confident [TS]

01:51:43   that they're they're going to do more [TS]

01:51:45   stuff in the future and I'm viewing this [TS]

01:51:47   as like reset WWDC I'm ver I'm just [TS]

01:51:51   really I'm relieved yeah cuz I was [TS]

01:51:53   dreading [TS]

01:51:54   like I was rage-filled on so many fronts [TS]

01:51:57   dreading it right it's like I'm not [TS]

01:51:59   gonna get the tools that I want to do my [TS]

01:52:01   work and I'm gonna have to spend months [TS]

01:52:04   more being just really frustrated yeah [TS]

01:52:06   and I have to say other thing I've [TS]

01:52:09   really liked about that that keynote [TS]

01:52:11   going back to what we were talking about [TS]

01:52:13   being in San Jose with everybody [TS]

01:52:15   everybody's in such a good mood yeah [TS]

01:52:17   it's it's like you can tell every person [TS]

01:52:21   who is here is super happy that you know [TS]

01:52:25   everybody has something everybody has [TS]

01:52:26   excited things to talk about is like the [TS]

01:52:28   whole mood of the Apple community which [TS]

01:52:32   is orbiting around that convention [TS]

01:52:33   centers like everybody is great [TS]

01:52:36   whereas I remember last year there was [TS]

01:52:38   really that feeling of like ooh sticker [TS]

01:52:42   is this great but like what's happening [TS]

01:52:44   where were the thing it was it was a [TS]

01:52:46   totally different mood when you talk to [TS]

01:52:48   people versus this year and this year it [TS]

01:52:50   has made being in San Jose genuinely [TS]

01:52:53   more enjoyable because you can [TS]

01:52:55   everybody's excited about something and [TS]

01:52:56   wants to talk about something so well [TS]

01:52:58   done Apple yeah thanks to Mike for [TS]

01:53:02   setting up this thing in person wasn't [TS]

01:53:04   too bad we've been a little weird but [TS]

01:53:06   it's been way it's been fine [TS]

01:53:08   it's been easier yeah then I was [TS]

01:53:10   expecting I think maybe actually this [TS]

01:53:13   has made it a little bit more like our [TS]

01:53:15   lunches actually are I feel like this [TS]

01:53:17   conversation has been a bit more casual [TS]

01:53:19   than other conversations mm-hmm [TS]

01:53:21   but so we start looking into some don't [TS]

01:53:24   count on this in the future that's what [TS]

01:53:26   I'm saying don't count this in the [TS]

01:53:28   future [TS]

01:53:28   all right man we got to go there's more [TS]

01:53:30   WWDC more things to do more things to do [TS]

01:53:35   thanks for the horrible of the other [TS]

01:53:37   yeah let's go let's get out of here [TS]