Roderick on the Line

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00:00:05 ◼   ► hello hi John hi Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► John John John John so you had a yet a [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► big big morning oh yeah huge morning [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► yeah yeah [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► whoopsie-daisy oopsie-doopsie lots of [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► big announcements from Apple and so I [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► was kind of on the hook to watch that [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► yeah did you live a live blog it oh you [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► know just just you know in texting the [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► people it's not unseemly to do that [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► stuff in public you know to live [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► bloggers live like science I see why [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► people do it but you know it's uh [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► we're already watching it we can see it [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► cuz it's there uh you know I just what [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► about your hotcakes [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► oh my dears hotcakes I got steamy hot [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► takes you kidding me [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► what what about you know fix my um I [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► don't know every bite [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► yeah fixable yeah you know they're gonna [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► they're working on the App Store the app [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► store is gonna look like it's too much [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► to cover it's too much to cover with the [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► stick we already have today but that's [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► exciting [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► sorry I PI pads you get computers uh you [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► can drag things it's exciting [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► get this guy over here got this ah fuck [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► it that's a for cock to arab o king [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► caboodle and over here is Lonnie and [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► jugdish you're you're way more awake [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► than me it's uh it's one it's a little [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► after 1:00 p.m. and in your yeah it's so [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► good there's a good time of day I woke [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► up at a natural time when I my body [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► naturally rose to awakeness and then I [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► had some time to just you know play a [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► little game of threes or two let's think [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► about the think about the day looking at [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► look at Wikipedia for a while oh yeah I [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► gotta watch modules I got morning [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► rituals along those lines yes I as a [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► good older and and seriously my brain is [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► seriously going like R it's really going [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► so one of the things I do is I do a very [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► old man thing which is when my family is [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► you know getting ready to go places [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► everybody's getting ready and I'll say [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► good morning and I'll say today is [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► Monday I'll say Monday we have drop-off [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► at camp we have victim but camp [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► we have preparing for the trip and they [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► kind of make kind of they kind of look [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► at me a little bit weird cuz I'm like [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► you know I'd like to think this is for [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► all of the all of us but you know let's [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► be honest it's mostly for me mm-hmm [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► because if I don't don't think about it [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► you know I may not do it well you know [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► there are um there are these miraculous [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► vitamins that just by coincidence I [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► happen to be a authorized dealer mm and [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► I'm gonna hook you up with a whole set [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► of supplements and dietary additives [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► just like those brain crystals that make [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► you smart yeah and they're get what it [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► also does Marilyn is it builds muscle [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► mass builds muscle in us and it burns [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► fat huh so uh pretty much I've got the [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► secret right here for you and don't [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► worry about how much it cost you let me [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► in on that today only I would just [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► because we're friends [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► oh my god thank you man I I could [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► definitely use that so tomorrow morning [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► I'll say it's Tuesday and I'm going to [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► take some new powders hey yeah you get a [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► little hammer and pestle and you just [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► sitting and grind them up and I'll bring [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► it into the of the family stand up [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► meeting the morning stand up ha ha oh [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► and you think you guys have an all-hands [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► meeting every we do we do uh yeah well [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► you know we have we have an ad hoc [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► format I mean this is not interesting to [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► our audience but sure yeah well we'll [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► comes with us anybody is empowered to [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► call a family meeting and really you [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► yell out family meeting and then one [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► other person says ok stand by and then [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► and then everybody gathers and you have [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► a huddle you talk about whatever family [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► meeting mm-hmm [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► you know that's nice that's really nice [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► that feels really nice [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► it's you know what it is it's that I in [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► addition to my brain becoming a less [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► powerful organ it's also that like one [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► way I keep the Diamond Dogs at bay is to [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► make sure that we've thought through [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► things we need to think through mm-hmm [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► because I hate being upended by not [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► having thought through something that [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► should be thought through you do like to [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► think through things I confirm that for [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► our listeners you know it's stuff like I [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► feel like it's inexcus-- [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► in some ways it's it's personally [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► inexcusable for me if I just space [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► something I really should have [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► remembered like if I don't bring the [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► tickets to something like that's silly [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► like why would I you know but the thing [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► is that you're not thinking through the [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► thing that you're going to do it's very [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► easy to do that and so you have to have [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► you know sort of compensatory muscles in [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► a real-world sense that like help you [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► from being a dumbass do you idiot check [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► mm-hmm how extensive is your idiot check [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► program compulsive yeah yeah no I mean [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► it's all kinds of things like like when [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► I'm traveling I have a whole list of [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► like things that I'm really neurotic [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► about like make sure that the pilot [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► light is on make sure that the heat is [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► turned down and and yeah it gives me a [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► lot of pleasure to take that off of a [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► list but even when leaving the house I [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► have learned to like sort of check [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► myself before I wreck myself and I still [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► screw it up I forgot to wear coupons for [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► the book store that we were going to and [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► I forgot to bring them cuz I got through [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► I hadn't thought through that kind of [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► trip now I remembered to bring the [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► refill cup because we're going to the [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► cinema I'm right on I oh that's a that's [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► a major boat I mean that's a big [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► discount oh you kidding me it's like [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► half price yeah shit shit dog and no [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► what about you what's your would you [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► call the idiot check well yeah let me [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► ask your if you're leaving a hotel room [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► do you check drawers that you are [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► certain you've never even opened yes if [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► you go around the room and tried to [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► drawers even though you never opened [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► them when yeah the whole time you've [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► been in there no I do way more than that [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► a big one for me is and I've gotten [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► better about this over time but like I [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► used to be I would always leave a phone [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► charger or some kind of plug thing like [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► oh I'll utilize this area behind the [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► chair and put that there [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► the first thing I do is look for all of [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► those things if I can solid eight [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► everything that needs to go into one or [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► two areas that's one thing so like [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► anything it's extraneous goes into the [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► area of things that have to go and then [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► yes I will check every outlet and then [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► as far as the drawers [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► I will not only check all the drawers [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► but I will leave them open in a [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► staggered way as though they've been [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► burglarized so that I'll remember I'll [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► have a visual visual cue you've already [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► checked this area you've checked this [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► yeah terrible well I mean you know I the [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► only reason I ask is that it's [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► it's a familiar feeling but being on [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► tour with four guys in a rock band you [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► know what what a tour is is basically 40 [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► opportunities in a day to leave [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► something behind I show some ways yeah [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► yeah yeah you open the back of the van [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► and you start staging stuff to load it [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► in and if you don't if you're not [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► careful you'll leave something sitting [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► out there and then you move it into the [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► hallway and then you move it into the [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► backstage and they move it onto the [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► stage and each one of those [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► opportunities is a new you know a new [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► chance to like forget something key and [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► then backstage and then you do it you [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► you run it all out at the end of the [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► night but plus the merch and plus the [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► money and then you get to a hotel and in [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► a lot of cases you have to move some of [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► that stuff into the hotel because you [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► don't want to leave it outside yes and [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► then back and forth and so we got into [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► the habit of just shouting idiot check [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► at each other anytime we any time it [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► seemed like we were all comfortably [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► seated in a place like ah we're there [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► everybody sits down it's like idiot [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► check uh and you know you have to go [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► back and retrace all your steps and [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► invariably like the most expensive [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► guitar is leaning up against the fire [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► door I thought that's not the way your [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► brain is really is working at the time [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► and you don't want to be the one guy in [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► your platoon who forgot his helmet like [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► that like everybody has to have their [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► stuff and especially if like I figure [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► like if you're staying in a hotel [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► you're probably mostly living out of a [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► bag you're not like unpacking but even [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► then I feel like this is just a good [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► rule of thumb in general is always act [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► like Europe you're about to be called [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► into service you're going to have to go [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► run maybe it's an earthquake [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► maybe it's Dom bees or vampires but [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► always keep stuff close enough to you [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► that to the extent possible you could [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► know you have everything important [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► without having to think about it so [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► don't take stuff don't spread out at [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► Starbucks like keep it in your bag take [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► out one thing at a time I don't know [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► it's just one way I another bulwark [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► against madness for me keep it in your [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► bag man keep keep it together well do [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► you know the famous story that I'm not [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► talking out of school here this was [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► years ago this was decades ago but one [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► of Death Cab for Cutie's earliest tours [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► that they took with us the western state [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► hurricanes my band at the time we went [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► down to Austin and back and I don't know [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► if you are familiar with the story of [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► Nathan death cabs original drummer [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► mm-hmm but Nathan was and is a genius [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► like everyone who ever saw him play what [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► and it was it was hard in it when you [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► saw Death Cab for Cutie when they were [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► really young they were so on fire they [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► were such an incredible band but [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► everyone walked away saying my god that [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► drummer he really was he was just like [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► you know been wrote a lot of the drum [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► parts but Nathan just transformed them [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► he was he was otherworldly but he was [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► one of those otherworldly musicians that [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► kind of just didn't appear to a like [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► drumming was kind of a not really the [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► most important thing in his life you [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► know and and when you we have somebody [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► that has that kind of talent and all of [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► us at the time were just you know [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► struggling so hard and desperate to have [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► that kind of gift and well then you meet [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► somebody that has that kind of gift and [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► they sort of feel like oh yeah I mean [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► you know I drum but it's not really you [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► know it's not really what I want to do [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► it's just it kind of it's devastating I [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► mean it's you feel offended because it's [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► because he has such a gift [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► I met a kid a couple of years ago I [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► judged a contest like a teenage band a [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► songwriting contest thing teen band [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► contest and there was one band that was [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► just head and shoulders not only above [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► all the other teen bands who were great [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► all the best bands in the town but these [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► guys were just like they could they were [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► ready right they were 20 years old and [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► they had the songs and the vibe and you [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► know this wonderful lead singer and [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► these incredible tunes and it was just [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► like their there's these guys are gonna [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► be the biggest band in America like they [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► had it and their guitar player who was [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► phenomenal and who wrote all the songs [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► uh considered the band just kind of a [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► thing he was doing because on the side [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► because what he really wanted to do was [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► like go to college and get a degree in [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► chemistry and work in a lab and the [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► other kids in the band all of them knew [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► what all of them felt what they had and [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► they all wanted it so desperately and I [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► was the so they won the contest right [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► and then I did a thing that I never do [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► which is I went to them and said let me [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► help you through this next stage like [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► let me advise you because you're [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► incredibly gifted and I see that your [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► loss is good enough to not screw up yeah [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► just let me sit with you and like I'll [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► hear you out and then let me just make [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► some couple of recommendations about [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► where did what to do next and we got [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► together and you know this guy kind of [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► was just looking at his fingernails like [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► yes isn't really what I want to do with [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► my life you know and what can you say [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► all you can say is like great I mean I'm [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► happy that you have something that you [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► want to do more but you're this is like [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► the thing everybody wants you have it [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► yeah I mean I guess and part of it is [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► being young and you just don't you know [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► you feel like well I'm good at this I'll [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► be good at everything but Nathan I mean [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► just such an extraordinary guy and yet [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► in the end he just didn't want a music [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► wasn't his thing he wanted to work in [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► social services and he does he live in [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► San Francisco now and and and helps [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► people but on this famous tour we we [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► left Seattle we drove for 3-4 days or [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► whatever to get down to Austin we [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► arrived in Austin they were loading into [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► their showcase and Nathan said did he [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► any you guys remember to get my snare [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► and they all they all like stood up and [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► they were like what do you mean did we [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► remember to get your snare and he was [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► like well I mean it was there in the [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► practice space nobody grabbed it [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► and when they got back home like three [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► weeks later after this extremely long [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► tour that we did with a succession of [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► completely borrowed snares in there come [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► in there totally empty practice base [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► right in the center of the room there [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► was the snare in its little snare chaise [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► sitting just in the center of the room [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► it was like wow you know this was this [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► was maybe the second time they'd ever [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► left town it was like forgot the got the [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► snare that's an important drum that's a [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► key element I mean if you didn't have [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► one of your particular like your your [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► third favorite Zildjian crash that you [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► could survive you didn't remember your [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► mallets you know and I'd see the corner [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► that's you that's one of the two [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► critical drops that's um so anyway [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► that's that's a line we still use on [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► each other all the time hey did any of [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► you guys oh god remember my snare maybe [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► guys and you guys see my snare oh I'm [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► sure I've told you this one before but I [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► learned this from a pal of mine in high [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► school who as it happens was was the guy [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► who drove us to concerts a lot and he [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► started this I don't know if he invented [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► this he's the first person I never ever [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► knew ever knew to do it is that when you [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► got in the car once everyone was in the [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► car you had to take your ticket out of [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► your pocket [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► and you had to hold it to your forehead [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► and then everybody had to do it at the [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► same time everyone looked at each other [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► and everyone acknowledged that you could [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► see a ticket on every single person's [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► forehead and you know of course you're [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► reluctant at first but he knows where he [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► speaks he's driven to Tampa and had and [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► realized one person forgot their ticket [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► well you know kind of scotches the [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► evening for everybody that's that's not [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► fun and as stupid as that is there were [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► ample times that the the challenge [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► ticket was demanded and there was at [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► least one person that did not have works [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► it's like stop trusting your brain to be [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► a brain you know yeah yeah duh so yeah [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► we idiot check all the time and I'm I'm [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► I'm pretty good at you know and then [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► that includes like under the bed [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► under the behind the shower curtain it's [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► it's always where you least think behind [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► the door you know is where stuff ends up [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► you just have to go yeah and you have to [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► shout it right like idiot check and [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► sometimes you'll idiot check and then [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► someone else will come through behind [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► you and find your iPhone charger that [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► you left behind the chair what happens [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► by the time you get you get blind or [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► whatever it is that you're looking for [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► you're looking for that yeah your brains [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► looking for the wrong pattern or [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► something yeah and there's I mean that [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► feel like there must be a balance to be [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► struck that's somewhere between like and [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► like our like constantly like fretting [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► and neurotic about there must be [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► somewhere in between and yeah like [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► opening the drawers of things that [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► you've never even you never even looked [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► at until you started searching in [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► different stuff you did exactly but I'm [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► telling you this once stuff like you [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► know look behind the chair look under [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► the desk look in oh you forgot when you [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► were in a good mood and arrived you put [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► stuff on the top shelf of the closet [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► like you're gonna be there for one night [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► and you're putting stuff here in a good [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► mood yeah [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► hey I'm unpacking guy one time move it's [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► stressful must be stressful too [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► occurring I just can't even imagine it's [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► crazy [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► I one night in Montreal we went after [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► the show to some you know cafe and sat [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► there and had a good old time and got up [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► and went for a long walk and walked I [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► mean Montreal is a huge city much much [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► bigger than then anyone gives her credit [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► for and we walked and walked and walked [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► all the way across town and I suddenly [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► realized that I had left the bag with [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► all of the money we'd made on the tour [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► just sitting next to my chair in the [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► cafe just left it there [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► oh no and so I sprinted and you know I'm [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► not much of a sprinter I'm more of a you [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► know I'm more of a walk down there and [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► fuck all those cows than I am like a run [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► across Montreal kind of guy and ran and [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► ran and ran and ran and ran pant pant [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► pant pant pant finally and this was [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► before [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► you know there was any kind of call a [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► car service and I think I stopped on a [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► couple of street corners and tried to [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► help cabs and then I was like that won't [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► work you know the all these cabs are [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► going the wrong direction ran and ran [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► around finally roll into this place and [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► there's the back just just sitting there [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► sitting there nobody nobody messed with [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► Wow nice cafe I thanked everyone in the [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► place they all applauded so it was it [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► was good luck in that instance but I'm [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► pretty good about pretty good I don't [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► want jinx myself but I mean I had a [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► similar this is not interesting but one [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► time I remember I was camped out [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► somewhere I was reading something I was [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► writing something and I went about my [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► business and I think it was about an [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► hour later I went where's my backpack [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► and it was actually outdoors it was like [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► near a busy street I had left my [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► backpack like on the street pant pant [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► pant pant pant running running running [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► running running running and I was [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► totally just sitting there totally [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► undisturbed which is pretty crazy [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► because I mean we have people going [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► through our trash six times a day so [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► like I'm used to the idea that very few [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► things are left undisturbed in this city [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► right everything's disturbed here uh [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► yeah but but a you know it's amazing [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► like hiding in plain sight I just [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► thought about this this morning because [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► I often leave my barn door open and this [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► isn't ceases like this is the euphemism [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► the beginning of a dirty joke I just [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► mind you got touch my doctor I have a [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► barn door mm-hmm that's part of my barn [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► and and sometimes I just leave it wide [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► open and it's counterintuitive because [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► the barn is full of tools and full of [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► other things that you wouldn't want [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► people to steal but it is I think like [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► things get broken into in in my [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► neighborhood like the my next-door [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► neighbor had a boat on a trailer and [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► some kids broke into the boat like when [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► you think you're gonna find in a boat I [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► mean I guess a flare gun uh [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► here be the are but I just leave my barn [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► door wide open sometimes for weeks at a [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► time and I think it just sends the [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► message there's nothing in here there's [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► nothing in here even worth closing the [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► door and as far as I know the only thing [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► the only people that go in that barn and [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► molest anything are the raccoons that go [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► in and eat all the cardboard boxes doors [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► not gonna stop them well that's true too [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► but yeah it's the hiding in plain sight [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► thing I guess or if you're if you're if [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► you're walking through the neighborhood [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► you're like should we should we go under [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► that tarp and break into that boat or [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► should we walk into that barn I think [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► this is it [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► this is not gonna go for lots of things [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► in life but one thing I've learned I [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► feel like a little bit from having a kid [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► my kids pretty good with remembering [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► well she's not gonna remembering things [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► but she's pretty good at not losing [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► things mostly we lose a lot of jackets [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► that she takes off at recess and forgets [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► about um right but I think in some ways [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► I think it's when you're traveling it's [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► a little bit like planning to go to the [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► beach [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► we're like whatever you bring to the [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► beach and this is a little extreme but [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► when you go to the beach you'd figure [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► there's gonna be Sun there's gonna be [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► sand there's going to be a lot of water [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► you know don't bring anything with you [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► to the beach that would not stand up [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► well to sun sand and or water because [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► that's why you're going to the beach [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► you're going to the beach because those [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► are the performance characteristics of a [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► beach and I think it's kind of like that [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► would travel to like don't bring [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► heirlooms in a packed suitcase if you [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► can if you can possibly avoid it because [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► you know I mean it's a way of just [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► asking yourself like what could I afford [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► to lose and then like kind of plan [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► around that nice in that Beatles book I [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► was reading there's a story when they're [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► beginning the book in late 65 and I [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► guess they were they were doing a gig I [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► think in northern England and one of the [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► guitars was poorly secured it was like I [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► think George is like favourite old [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► Gretsch and just went flying off back [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► and got run over and it's like ah it [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► just breaks your heart to think about [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► that well think about all the great [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► instruments of all the great players [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► that have been stolen and lost and you [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► know I think [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► what is it like uh [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► jaco pastorius --is most famous bass [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► just got was just missing and they're [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► all these they're all these instruments [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► like key instruments in the moments of [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► of music that gets stolen on the back of [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► a ventilator or something Brian May [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► takes his original guitar on the road [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► but probably not there are there are [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► people who do and the thing about Brian [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► May right is that what if he does take [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► that guitar on the road it's not like [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► he's throwing it in the trunk of his car [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► there he's probably there probably three [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► people that their only job is to make [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► sure that that guitar is fine at all [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► times yes but all is not gonna space you [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► know tying it down right yeah it's um [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► you know I think that I think right like [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► Clapton took Blacky and Billy Gibbons [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► takes you know golden slumbers or [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► whatever the fuck his guitar is called [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► and golden showers hmm uh like those [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► guys do Wow how they do use those [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► instruments still yeah um sting and his [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► 52 uh talk to your base he's got a [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► fender yoga base a yoga base uh so I [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► think you do kind of still get used [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► I mean Prince's fav famis Telecaster [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► with the with the leopard spot pit [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► guards still he still would trot that [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► thing now yeah yeah I mean I don't know [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► even at that level like Keith Richards [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► probably can bring pretty much whatever [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► he wants cuz he's got a whole like you [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► know force around him yeah but Keith [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► Richards could also throw a 59 Les Paul [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► into a bandsaw because who the fuck [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► cares there's a lot of great roles [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► particular fret that I think that this [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► you know the stones I think their [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► instruments kind of came and went you [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► know their guitars out there and this is [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► the crazy thing that that there are [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► people that I mean I was just looking [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► online not very long ago at guys that [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► collected old whoo amplifiers [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► like smash you know that no no like like [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► the a company called Sound City made [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► some custom heads for Pete Townsend and [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► that company became hiwatt and hiwatt [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► continued to make sort of custom heads [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► for Pete all through the early to mid [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► 70s and I think as he I mean as those [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► amps I mean they kind of just got garage [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► sales [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► sort of like what happened at Abbey Road [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► right they had a garage sale and they [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► sold like the Mellotron the Abbey Road [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► Mellotron and they sold all the all the [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► custom-built like red six desks or [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► whatever lenny kravitz has one of the [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► desks from a view Abbey Road because he [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► just owns like I don't know if they were [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► exaggerating but Matt from Oringer said [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► they had the board from I think the the [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► brothers board from like Pet Sounds yeah [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► but we'll see there's a lot of that [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► stuff right because how many really [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► great recording desks are there there [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► are a lot but if you're on that played [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► on you know Sergeant Pepper it's kind of [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► a big deal [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► it's kind of a big deal but but even [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► that's that little stuff of like you [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► know the desk that we used to record the [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► first couple of long winters records was [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► the desk from Hollywood Bowl and so you [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► get this kind of feeling of like wow [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► think of all the music that went through [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► this board and that's a real that's a [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► thing [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► it's a Hall of Justice all of justice [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► yeah it was a it was a quad eight desk [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► which is you know kind of a they're a [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► boutique II uh onion a boutique II [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► they're an unusual kind of of the era [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► kind of board but I've recorded through [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► the board where uh Bob Marley recorded [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► uh one of his early records in London [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► Wow um you know that it's a thing that [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► gets talked about when you sit down in a [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► recording studio like oh this board was [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► the one from [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► you know from Sausalito or from Ocean [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► Way or whatever but when you think about [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► God the Oh so there's these websites of [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► these people that are like I bought this [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► amp at a pawn shop and I turned it over [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► and had the who stenciled on it and so I [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► looked it up it turns out that this was [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► one of like nine amps that Pete Townsend [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► used in the course of you know the [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► seventies who that kind of thing happens [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► all the time I guess I find I can't find [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► a use shirt that fits me it's not yellow [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► and people find on fucking Pete [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► Townsend's amp yeah I guess you just you [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► you just have to be shopping in the pawn [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► shops that it's that Pete Townsend's amp [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► is likely to show up in I mean I don't [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► think that person found it in Ames Iowa [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► yeah right yeah probably were in London [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► or something but still pretty hot [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► because things didn't matter to people [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► then you know when they when they when [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► they broke the sink didn't have well [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► they didn't have the same mythology and [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► reverence about the same things that we [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► do today they might have reverence for [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► for quite different things back then [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► yeah I'm not sure I do I think you're [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► right and I remember when radio stations [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► in the United States were transforming [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► themselves into digital because CDs had [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► supplanted not only LPS but also carts [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► right like carts were a thing that we're [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► used in radio that we're like an 8-track [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► tape player basically they were totally [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► using those in the 90's and ours yeah [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► right only local music they play with [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► they were just put on carts as well as [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► the you know PSAs and stuff like that [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► well and right around the time that I [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► started touring like late 90s early [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► 2000s radio stations were kind of all [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► changing their their build so that it [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► was all got kind of going to computers [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► and it was going to be digital hither [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► thither and a lot of these radio [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► stations had custom built [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► amplifiers and compressors like you know [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► stuff made by ampeg in the 50s like all [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► walls of these beautiful uh Universal [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► Audio and and other like really really [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► now really valuable outboard gear and [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► they were just pulling that stuff out [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► and tossing it in the dumpster [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► because they were going to they were [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► going digital and and that stuff was it [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► was already valuable but on a very kind [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► of low [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► secondary market of people that were [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► trading 1176 --is they cost money but [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► the people that were working in these [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► radio stations weren't in weren't part [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► of that community and so it just seemed [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► like I was walking through the college [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► radio station in Davis UC Davis and they [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► had their whole hallway it was full of [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► what had been their old studio all these [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► like tape machines and stuff and and [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► they were just it just kind of was out [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► there under tarps and I think they were [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► just wheeling it they were just somebody [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► was going to come in a dump truck er or [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► in a pickup and take it all away it was [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► there's an element of our nominal topic [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► this week that comes up in some of this [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► which is that I don't know quite how to [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► phrase this it takes it takes a while [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► and it takes some it takes some changes [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► and take some quality takes a while for [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► stuff to become art or for stuff to seem [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► precious and so that's one reason I [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► think we get so interested in the which [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► you might call ephemera of previous eras [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► so like you know we've all seen you know [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► this famous painting or we've all seen [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► like you know there's a first edition of [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► this book stuff anybody could see was [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► really valuable but like to see like the [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► personal effects of someone like you [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► know on lines of your dad right where [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► you can see their receipts and you could [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► see all this little stuff where you can [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► see this is a maquette of what became a [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► very famous statue or this is you know [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► I'm saying like this is one of the [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► various copies of this document that [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► existed it's you know I I wonder how [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► much people had that same sense of [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► reverence because that really feels like [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► something [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► with rock music that was more common [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► starting in like the 70s and it would be [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► the the nostalgia in reverence was not [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► for the current generation necessarily [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► was not for the previous generate be [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► like two generations ago so that's why [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► like in the 70s you might want a fifties [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► rock-and-roll poster it's an original [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► but I mean even then like you know there [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► weren't as many Paul Allen type people [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► around at that time to gobble up all [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► that ephemera and want to put it [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► somewhere I feel like that is like an [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► 80s and Beyond kind of thing I think it [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► is I mean there was always that there [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► was always someone who recognized that [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► this was George Washington's sword and [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► that that meant something right because [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► we have George Washington's sword [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► several of them still and whoever when [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► George Washington died whoever had that [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► sword definitely told their grandkids [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► that they couldn't play with it you know [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► like that way George Washington's sword [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► but if if if people had always thought [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► the way we think now we would have every [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► single pair of John Adams as socks you [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► know like they're we we play such a [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► tremendous value on all that ephemera [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► and most of it throughout history is [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► lost a time right we don't have Genghis [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► Khan's stirrups and I do think it [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► started and I do think it started in the [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► 80s I don't think in the 70s of 1950s [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► rock poster probably meant that much [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► well you know I'm even thinking like us [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► obviously people collected records and [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► you might be really proud of your [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► collection but the real the purpose was [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► still to have records that you could [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► play and you wanted all the records you [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► might want rare records but maybe [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► there's some you didn't play so much but [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► you know it's very different from I mean [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► perhaps an extreme example is like in [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► the world of comics where you can do [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► this thing called grading where there's [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► this this one organization where you [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► send your comic they evaluate the the [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► quality of it in this really rigid way [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► and then they put it inside they encase [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► it in plastic which is called blocking [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► so and so you know the thing is though I [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► mean if you sure if you [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► you know like for Superman comic and so [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► something like that like obviously you [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► want to really take care of it but like [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► how many of your comics do you really [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► want in a slab of plastic kind of [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► defeats the purpose of having the [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► comment there and I think albeit in an [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► extreme way therein lies the distinction [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► you know if this is Pearl Jam's van like [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► are we supposed to look at it are we [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► supposed to drive around in it you know [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► yeah well there have always been right [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► the what were the classic things to [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► collect coins stamps yeah art people [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► kept a hold of Stradivarius instruments [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► so was stopped driving their ideas para [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► ver I um people you know uh there have [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► always been things that were held in [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► high regard such that they were passed [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► down antiques if you will right but yeah [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► this other thing that you're talking [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► about the it becomes a not a deliberate [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► object like this is not to be what was [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► intended to be and now it's just an [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► object to be collected and looked at and [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► traded exactly Chris Baloo's gold [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► spray-painted boots on display at the [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► experience music project are a great [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► example grant Huff of a time when uh [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► when it you know we really I think [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► around here thought that it was a weird [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► moment right because we recognize that [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► Jerry Garcia's finger if you had it in a [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► box it was worth money now and here we [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► were sort of feeling like in the in the [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► early 90s that we were replicating San [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► Francisco in the late 60s for the [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► midsi's we were replicating that whole [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► experience and therefore we had better [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► grab all of this stuff like Chris [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► Baloo's boots and put him under glass [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► because one day they would be worth [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► something and it's funny because times [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► have changed I mean I think probably [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► Chris Baloo's boots under glass were [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► worth a lot more [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► in 1998 than they are now because people [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► were there was a market for the men and [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► now [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► like oh yeah doing Chris police boots I [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► know you get those you're here basically [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► cause um yeah you wear that you know [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► he's going through a pair every year [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► he's got all stack of them beanie babies [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► fidget spinners don't catch them all but [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► listening to Sergeant Pepper hmm uh this [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► this brand new remix of Sergeant Pepper [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► that you might have heard about right at [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► the end of the day in a life a day in [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► the life the day in a life there's um [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► you know they hit that enormous piano [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► cord and the cord rings out and we all [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► know the story right there when we can [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► picture them all sitting there you know [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► three to a bench on these grand pianos [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► yeah I was like three three three guys [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► three pianos and you hit the chair [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► squeak at the end I'd you hear the chair [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► squeaks what I'm that's exactly what I'm [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► saying [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► and the thing is there's no way that you [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► can't hear it because as they were remix [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► in this they I mean every compressor in [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► the country was pointed at that chair [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► squeak so that we would so that it was [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► there you know what I mean like that [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► fucking chair squeak is the whole game [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► because it it scratches that itch for [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► all of us like oh the chairs we whose [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► whose butt wasn't Ringo's but was it [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► George's but there was George Martin's [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► but it was George Martin's but squeak [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► and and the end and the way it plays [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► into the whole thing like alright you [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► guys you know everybody quiet [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► we're gonna hit this chord and then just [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► be quiet let it ring out and then [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► somebody fucking squeaks I in that sense [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► I bet it was Paul oh man you got a heart [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► of a Paul but but but at any other time [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► you know that would have been any other [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► time pre Beatles I think that absolutely [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► would have been edited out that the the [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► mix would have they would have said even [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► if they've been trying to do the thing [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► they would have said well that will mix [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► it out at the chair squeak right and [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► even now when you're when you're [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► recording it's a big it's a big question [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► whether or not to leave those things in [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► because I think [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► in the days of foreign 8-track recording [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► if a mistake got made and got left in it [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► just got left in and didn't have options [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► yeah and that is part of the sound that [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► we love about old records and now that [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► you have the option I mean you can go in [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► and and monkey with the waveform and [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► take chair squeaks out while leaving the [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► the main sound you know you could keep [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► the cord in and take the chair squeak [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► out because you could pinpoint what it [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► was so now the question is do we leave [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► that mistake in in order to you know as [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► an effect almost do we leave it in to [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► make it sound like it's Rohrer than than [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► it is there's some things where if you [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► fixed it you'd mess it up a little bit [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► like going back and listen to the raw [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► tracks on I don't know the word for it [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► is but the the take that they use the [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► basic tracks you hear flubs what happens [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► and like you know do you want that taken [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► out that's part of how the song sounds [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► or when Paul this is not even on one of [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► the stony ones but on if I fell the [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► second time he sings the bridge his [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► voice cracks a little bit and you can [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► hear him laugh just a little bit on the [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► second bridge like blow my god don't [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► take that out because I sure that I [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► point that out to my daughter every time [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► it comes on like don't take that out [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► that's that's part of the song well so [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► that I think is a nice segue into the [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► question of whether or not you remix Sgt [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band that's [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► right yeah and I mean we don't need to [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► turn this into yet another you know long [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► article or video about this but the [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► basic idea was 50th anniversary George [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► Martin's son and if you have more [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► information you can correct me do that [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► but my understanding is they went in [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► they got the to the extent possible the [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► original tracks meaning like the [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► Unbounce down unspeak erected like [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► original tracks from Sergeant Pepper and [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► then wanted to reconstruct it for mainly [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► around sound quality to keep make it [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► still the versions that you're familiar [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► with but but again the stereo and the [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► mono mixes of these things were so [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► different and they wanted to create a [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► really good sounding stereo mix that [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► still honored [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► you know the way it was put together but [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► also bringing out sounds that you just [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► couldn't hear uh in the various versions [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► in the past right and now we have it now [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► we have it and I have listened to it and [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► the old stereo mixes not exactly [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► back-to-back but I listen to one and [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► then you know listen to the other and [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► was just kind of thinking about the two [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► things and they're markedly different [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► listening experiences from the [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► pre-existing stereo in particular the [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► original stereo mix and the and this [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► latest mix you know there they are [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► they're very different it's a very [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► different song to song and the whole [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► experience of the album is very [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► different and I'm I went into it I think [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► with the with the assumption that I was [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► going to be down on it they're going [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► what why tinker with this right well [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► yeah it's the George Lucas thing again [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► you know like yeah we have the [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► technology y-you know we have the [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► technology to to have the original [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► tracks but with the chipmunk singing [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► over it but why you know like why put a [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► CGI Jabba the Hutt in it uh that's kind [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► of a deep deep deep reference I don't [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► know I'm sure some some listeners will [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► get it but you were you're prepared to [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► go into thinking maybe this isn't a good [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► idea and you were kind of little bit [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► pre-loaded to not be into what you heard [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► well what did you think it was going to [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► be did you think it was gonna be too [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► refreshed to modern wouldn't respect the [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► old sound like what were you what were [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► you worried it would be the thing is the [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► the stereo mixes of those records were [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► bad and we all know that they were bad [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► they've always been bad they like you [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► like you said last week they were and [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► after [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► thought the band was all there for the [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► mono mixes and then there was this new [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► fad stereo and everybody went home and [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► left it to the skeleton crew to kind of [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► like well you know what you that point [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► was a little bit like turning your [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► existing movie into 3d you were gonna be [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► trying to cater to this specialized [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► market that was actually actually not [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► your primary channel that you were [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► selling into but there were also I mean [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► there are pretty big differences in some [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► cases of the speed of it in some cases a [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► little bit of arrangement and and I mean [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► famously like Ringo's drums did not [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► sound good in stereo he's a very nuanced [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► player and a lot of that was really lost [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► um especially in the stereo mix oh well [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► the reason that it was lost is that they [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► didn't yet know I mean this dawn of [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► stereo right they didn't know how to mix [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► so ring goes ring goes drums aren't it's [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► not stereo that doesn't serve them it's [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► that at the time it wasn't clear to them [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► like here's the standard that we all use [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► now right when you're still when you [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► bring up a mix a stereo mix of a song [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► the drums are right up the middle and so [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► what right up the middle means is you've [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► got you've got these knobs that are [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► called pan knobs and you can pan a sound [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► all the way into the left headphone or [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► all the way into the right headphone or [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► you can bring them sort of there it's [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► 60% in the right headphone and 40% in [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► the left headphone and what that does is [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► in your mind when you're listening to it [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► it makes it sound like the instrument is [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► kind of over in it's in that side of the [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► room but it's not all the way over you [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► know in that case the entire drum set [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► it's the entire you're trying to emulate [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► the the part about that seems so crazy [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► in retrospect is you wouldn't think to [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► mix each weight didn't have the ability [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► to mix each drum differently different [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► effects different panning different gate [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► different everything on each drum to [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► create a new drum sound [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► it was more like emulating where the [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► drums were in a room and often it's not [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► it was almost all the way hard right or [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► hard left for most of the instruments [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► right which does not emulate the sound [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► of drums in a room that's the crazy [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► thing like so much of mixing is is to [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► trick [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► your brain yeah so if both if an [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► instrument is equal in both headphones [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► it sounds like it's straight ahead it [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► sounds like it's right in front of you I [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► mean it's really a peer it sounds like [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► it's appearing right inside your mind in [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► a way and when we mix records now it's [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► understood in the main that the drums [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► are mixed right in the middle and the [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► bass is mixed right in the middle and [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► the lead vocals are mixed right in the [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► middle that's where you want them and [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► then all the other stuff your pianos [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► your reverbs your backing vocals your [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► guitars your strings everything else is [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► kind of panned around the the sphere so [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► you know you you put a you put your lead [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► guitar over here you put the tambourine [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► over there and that's how you get that [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► stereo field but you don't want an [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► entire drum kit with all of its going [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► all that's going on in a drum kit you [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► don't want it mixed hard left because it [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► just and and if you do put something [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► there you can't put anything else there [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► like the drums take a lot of they take [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► informational space right so what made [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► Sergeant Pepper with what made those [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► mixes terrible is that on a lot of songs [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► and the thing is every song they did it [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► different they did a different thing but [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► like there were quite a few songs where [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► the entire kit like you're saying is [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► just all the way over there it is living [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► like fixing a hole the drums are up [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► completely completely left and the piano [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► is completely left and the base is [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► completely left and so the rest of the [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► song it's all over here on the right you [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► know all they like bing bangs and jink [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► tanks and and the singing and the vocals [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► and it's like that is crazy [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► that's what's such a strange decision [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► and the to me a classic example with the [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► Ramones it's kind of funny and I don't [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► mind it that it's all based over here [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► all guitar over there if you listen to [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► it with one speaker you can hear one or [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► the other full-stop but that's what [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► that's what three instruments and vocals [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► yeah and it's kind of cute but like I'm [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► kind of surprised that passed the sniff [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► test [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► even for the early days of stereo it's [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► such an odd decision because it's not if [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► you have headphones on it's not fun to [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► listen to well and I don't I think one [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► of the things was people didn't really [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► they weren't mixing with headphones they [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► had speakers in the room and they set it [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► up like that and it's like yeah I mean [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► it's so different when you're mixing a [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► song to listen to it in headphones all [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► that and it's it's why things now most [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► music now that people are making at home [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► or stuff like that it's all mixed in [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► headphones and when you're when you're [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► in a studio and you're making an album [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► you listen to it through the big [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► speakers and then you switch and you [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► listen to it through the little speakers [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► and then you listen to it in headphones [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► and then you listen to it and the cheap [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► little dime-store speakers and every [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► time you hear different things poking [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► out you know you put headphones on [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► you're like oh no we're complete but [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► working on this all day and it sounds [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► like shit and you have to go back and [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► start over but if you do it on the [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► headphones it's the same thing you [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► listen to it on the speakers it's like [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► oh no that's not right and it's so so [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► what they were doing is sitting in this [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► room listening to it on speakers and I [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► think they thought well let's make it [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► sound like the band is over here and [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► that singers over there that makes good [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► sense we're gonna do a stereo you might [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► as well really do it so people can [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► really hear the definition and I and I [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► think if you're sitting in your living [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► room if you're like in a Mac Mac cell a [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► magazine ad in your black your black [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► sunglasses sitting in your chair with [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► your glass of wine about to spill [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► listening to you music coming out of [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► your big hot speakers it probably [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► doesn't sound as unusual because it just [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► it's you're getting room reverb your [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► ears are picking up stuff it's the it's [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► the isolation of headphones where if [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► it's not in your right speaker your [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► right ear isn't going to hear it and [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► that's what makes it sound so trippy so [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► so to say that those stereo mixes of [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► Sergeant Pepper are like sacred somehow [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► I guess it's not defensible [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► because there's there's they were such [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► some of them were were just like well [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► that was a that was a mistake I mean you [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► were you were right at the you were [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► right at the gate of mixing in stereo [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► and that's not how we ended up doing it [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► um and it's and and also it um for this [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► for this new and very ambitious and very [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► I can't use that word nuanced material [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► um you know it's it's a shame that it [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► came across sounding a little thin you [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► don't really hear a rock band in there [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► it's it's very difficult I mean first of [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► all just the magic of what they are [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► doing with bouncing this stuff down on [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► the equipment they had it's incredible [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► it's absolutely incredible and it really [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► was the they were helping create the [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► future of music that we're still living [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► with today with what they were the hacks [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► that they were doing to try and like [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► change the tapes fees and get this under [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► there and bounce these down to this it's [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► all great but mean but the thing is the [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► material it always seemed like the [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► material was thin because the sound was [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► thin in some ways did you know I mean [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► yeah although although being for the [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► benefit of mr. kite is pretty thin yeah [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► well that's just in terms of disclosure [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► and getting this out of the way like I [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► said last week I would still count [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► sergeant Pepper's probably my maybe my [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► fourth favorite Beatles record yeah but [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► it's not it's never been because of the [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► production it's just because I there's [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► not as many songs that I adore on here [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► there's a handful of songs I really [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► really like I'm glad they were getting [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► ambitious I'm glad they were trying [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► stuff I think it's a very successful [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► very good record is the greatest album [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► of all time I don't think it is I don't [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► think the material is is is their [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► strongest and so I'm yeah I don't mean [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► to be rate the Beatles I mean I don't [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► mean to punch down to the Beatles here [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► but I checked my privilege and but uh [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► but but you know that's that's the thing [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► though but I guess what I'm putting this [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► so poorly but the problem is that the [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► material is is unusual it's light it's [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► got weird instrumentation and yeah so [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► obviously if they were trying to put out [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► like a thrash metal album and it sounded [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► like that it would be an abject failure [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► from the very beginning it some of the [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► songs I mean they're very there picks [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► there can be very strong songs with good [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► parts but I [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► just I'm saying like for the past 50 [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► years it is not benefited from the fact [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► that it really it didn't you couldn't [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► hear the rock music in it you know even [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► when it was like a vaudeville song [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► you couldn't appreciate like how Paul's [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► bass sounds like every note he hits and [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► this is before we even get into Ringo's [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► drums which is gonna be like three hours [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► of this podcast for me yeah but that's [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► that's where it's been and if you if you [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► wanted a robust great sounding mix you [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► could still go back and listen to mono [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► but mono is like black and white it's [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► like when I show apart from the movie [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► duck soup my daughter does not want to [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► watch anything in black and white it [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► feels it's a castrated color movie to [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► her that's her words didn't sound like [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► her gonna take on that one um you know I [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► agree about the record and listening to [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► it you listening to it like I did uh the [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► last couple of days thinking about it [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► you know it's really clear that [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► something in Paul really wanted to write [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► this musical music he wanted to write [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► music for his mom he wanted to write [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► this sort of Edwardian link dinky [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► lickety kadai hey you know kind of like [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► music that you would hear it on the [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► boardwalk in Brighton in 1912 and like [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► egos old-timey showbizzy music yeah and [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► and music that was I mean it those songs [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► that Paul writes in that Music Hall [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► style are really for all ages you know [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► from from nine to ninety anybody is [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► going to be able to enjoy it it's not [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► it's not those songs are not dark [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► they're fun and they're old-timey [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► and he really really wanted to explore [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► that sound and what I've always loved [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► about the Beatles and what scared me [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► about them when I was ten and really [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► wanted to be scared by the Beatles was [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► that those songs in the context of the [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► Beatles were terrifying because what the [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► fuck are these people on you know it [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► compared to I mean you have one of these [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► Paul songs like la [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► not that out of that' and then right [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► next to it is like why don't we do it in [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► the road or something and and taken [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► together it's wonderful it's a wonderful [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► part of the Beatles but imagining as I [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► so often do what it was like to be John [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► Lennon and sitting there thinking that [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► you are an avant-garde artist and then [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► Paul comes in with it's getting better [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► all the time or lovely Rita and John [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► just like had to be feeling the had to [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► be I mean we all know he was he was just [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► feeling this resentfulness at what he [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► perceived to be Paul's corniness so [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► Sergeant Pepper the whole vibe of the [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► record was Paul saying I've got it why [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► don't we pretend to be a band and if we [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► pretend to be a band than all my [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► cornball uh musical stuff won't be us [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► will it it'll be a fun me band and the [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► end he's presented it in in that way [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► that Paul loves to sort of revise just [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► yes yes here we go he's presented it as [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► like no you know it was my attempt to [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► beYOU know be very alter you wouldn't in [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► it Brewer and but really what was [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► motivating him was he wanted to do that [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► he wanted to do a kids record almost and [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► he had to contend then and then the the [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► weird arty stuff he had to contend with [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► George who was like you know writing a [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► magic carpet around and Lennon who was [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► already starting to come unglued [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► you know Lennon was almost a hard time [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► yeah he was he was hitting a rough patch [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► yeah and so then and then you get the [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► magic of them all together and you throw [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► it together and here's this [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► extraordinary record but I was you know [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► the famous story right about here comes [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► Paul with it's getting better all the [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► time and then Lennon comes in with good [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► much was and it's like oh that's the [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► there it is right there the Lennon [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► McCartney Frisian [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► but what really stands out is that [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► Lenin's backing vocals in that tune are [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► so much of a fuck you to the song like [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► his backing all of his life sounds like [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► he's singing along on the radio with a [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► song that he doesn't like and so he does [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► a sweet grandma [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► falsetto his is his tone his choice of [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► the way he sings his his intentional out [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► of tunis are like a contemptuous [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► contribution to the song he's actively [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► hating it as he performs it and it's [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► amazing that he got away with it that [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► whatever their dynamic at the time and [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► their dynamic with George Martin was [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► that he could do that and I think [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► probably Paul was gritting his teeth and [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► saying like oh yeah that's very good you [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► know that's very creative and somehow it [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► got through somehow Lennon managed to [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► say like no that's what this tune needs [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► it needs me like mocking it throughout [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► and it's not just the you know it's not [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► just can't get much worse it's like [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► every note out of his mouth and then [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► when Paul's harmonies come in they're [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► beautiful and perfect so you know like [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► that that that ugliness didn't extend to [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► the harmonies that Paul put on right he [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► Paul was still trying to keep it fun uh [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► and that's that you hear that throughout [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► this record when you really like zoom in [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► on it but they were still nominally [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► friends at that point they had yeah the [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► thing hadn't decayed but the signs were [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► there yeah yeah absolutely and but it is [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► funny how they you the more you learn [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► it's with when you apply some genetic [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► criticism to this and you know things [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► you hear stories and you read things but [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► it's strange though that like it's [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► strange and it's fortunate that they [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► were able to hold it together as long as [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► they did - you get something like [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► strawberry fields and and Penny Lane [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► that you know such such different songs [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► such different approaches but like we [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► can't we as the audience can appreciate [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► those [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► as those first right does afford it yeah [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► but I think Strawberry Fields is the [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► very first thing can you imagine how [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► much better this record would be if it [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► had those two songs on it and just those [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► two songs right [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► but as this let alone like yeah well and [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► you know they're both like they're both [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► total peak Beatles right the the total [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► triumph and Penny Lane is a classic Paul [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► like song for all ages and Strawberry [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► Fields is Lennon on his drug his drug [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► thing and and yet they're not on that [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► record and so so you get you know you [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► get a little bit of like the subpar [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► Beatles and yeah and still it's [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► considered the greatest record in [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► history right if we had those two songs [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► on that record it would be I don't know [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► God's such a much better record yeah I [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► don't understand that whole I think well [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► I did a little bit of reading about this [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► it sounds like they did they felt like [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► they were cheating if they were [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► releasing singles off of an album that [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► their their typical set was you know you [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► get these 10 usually 10 songs plus a [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► single and in this case the four not the [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► is it technically the first double [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► a-side what about don't be cruel and [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► pound dog I mean isn't that a double a [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► sign that is some record record talk [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► that I'd I can't join in I have no idea [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► sounds like a double a-side but I think [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► back then I think hound dog era they [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► weren't released as double-a sides they [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► were released as a B and then then the [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► DJ's flipped it over and they were like [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► whoa right I mean came a double a but [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► the Beatles released it intentionally as [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► a double a-side right right right [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► totally I mean it just seems like so I'm [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► gonna get mail about this did I get that [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► right is it hound dog and don't be cruel [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► I don't know about that it seems like [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► such a squandered opportunity but then [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► I'm the guy that put commander thanks [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► allowed on an EP yeah yeah [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► so look at you yeah look at me um okay [TS]

00:59:39 ◼   ► it's weird though I mean like I want to [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► listen to it I go I like that song I [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► like that song I like this other song [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► but you know it's it isn't it's it's for [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► me as an album and I look like I'd like [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► to get to the sound stuff because I [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► think that's that's where the story is [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► for me on this one but I mean there are [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► even more chamblee things [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► even more chamblee things [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► like like I would buy think oh we prefer [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► the white album to this that there's [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► only about a shamble on there and it's [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► really sad that they only play on like [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► what one or two songs on that whole [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► album together other than that like [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► there they never were recording at the [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► same time apart from like happiness is a [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► warm gun supposedly but yeah I mean this [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► is I started listening to this when I [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► was about 13 and yes I mean I've been [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► told my whole life I'd heard this was [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► like the greatest album of all time and [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► I really liked it I think at that time [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► even at that time I think there were [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► others I liked a little more but yeah [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► well revolvers and Rubber Soul are both [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► way better albums let's discover [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► revolver after Sergeant Pepper so I had [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► the the blue album the red album as [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► they're now called and that's that's [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► what I really kind of thumb cut my teeth [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► on was listening to those over and over [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► and skipping lady Madonna but like those [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► those albums were huge for me [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► and yeah I don't know I might have an [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► abbey road cuz I I really got into the [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► Beatles through my cousins there were [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► five and ten years older respectively [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► and so Abbey Road I think was the first [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► album of theirs I really loved because [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► I'd heard it a lot and then I kind of [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► backed into it by sample but it wasn't [TS]

01:01:09 ◼   ► until college I don't think it was until [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► I had a CD player my second year of [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► college that I really heard revolvers [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► and I didn't pretty quickly became my [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► favorite I didn't listen to the White [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► Album until I was in high school but [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► revolver was the first Beatles record I [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► had because when I moved to Alaska to [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► live with my dad I think one of my older [TS]

01:01:33 ◼   ► siblings had been up there to visit in [TS]

01:01:35 ◼   ► the in the early 70s or something and [TS]

01:01:40 ◼   ► there were three no wait what was it [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► there was revolver these were 8-track [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► tapes that were at my dad's house that I [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► discovered Wow [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► hidden among the Count Basie tapes there [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► was revolver there was Jackson five [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► there was bridge over troubled water um [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► that may have been it but those three [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► records I immediately collected and put [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► into my dad's car which had an [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► eight-track tape player and we listened [TS]

01:02:15 ◼   ► to them because he you know he had a [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► friend this is what's crazy about the [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► time he had a friend that owned a record [TS]

01:02:22 ◼   ► store that was capable of making his own [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► 8-track tapes like mix tapes on 8-track [TS]

01:02:30 ◼   ► and so he would make mixtapes for my dad [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► of all this Glenn Miller stuff and so my [TS]

01:02:36 ◼   ► dad had all these like Private Reserve 8 [TS]

01:02:39 ◼   ► tracks of his favorite you know his [TS]

01:02:42 ◼   ► favorite jazz stuff and then I had these [TS]

01:02:45 ◼   ► three pop records and any chance I got I [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► would slip my pop record in and he would [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► listen to it you know and kind of like [TS]

01:02:53 ◼   ► no it's good let you know he'd let me [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► listen to it for a while but so revolver [TS]

01:02:59 ◼   ► was the my first and only Beatles record [TS]

01:03:01 ◼   ► for a long time before I did what a lot [TS]

01:03:05 ◼   ► of early Beatles fans from the from the [TS]

01:03:09 ◼   ► 70s and 80s did which was I got the Blue [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► Album mm-hmm and then I got the red [TS]

01:03:14 ◼   ► album that's the same order I got him in [TS]

01:03:16 ◼   ► the backwards order yeah blue and then [TS]

01:03:18 ◼   ► red and between the blue and the red I [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► mean I was covered Beatles wise mm-hmm [TS]

01:03:25 ◼   ► and was kind of scared to listen to the [TS]

01:03:29 ◼   ► records themselves until probably yeah [TS]

01:03:33 ◼   ► junior junior year in high school maybe [TS]

01:03:36 ◼   ► it's not a fake it's not something I'm [TS]

01:03:37 ◼   ► proud of but given my budget and my [TS]

01:03:39 ◼   ► interest a lot of my entrees into bands [TS]

01:03:42 ◼   ► that became my favorites were through [TS]

01:03:44 ◼   ► best odds of greatest hits just because [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► it was the most economically viable way [TS]

01:03:47 ◼   ► well that was the time mm-hmm [TS]

01:03:50 ◼   ► you know what I think I don't know if [TS]

01:03:51 ◼   ► I've ever listened to an Eagles record [TS]

01:03:53 ◼   ► but I've listened to the Eagles Greatest [TS]

01:03:55 ◼   ► Hits I mean it's got it he's got a [TS]

01:03:57 ◼   ► popular album of all time yeah that's [TS]

01:03:59 ◼   ► all you need really huh but so so so [TS]

01:04:04 ◼   ► revolver isn't just I mean I it's I [TS]

01:04:06 ◼   ► think the best Beatles record but also [TS]

01:04:08 ◼   ► its burned into me like burned into my [TS]

01:04:11 ◼   ► young emotions so powerfully [TS]

01:04:14 ◼   ► that I can't separate it from from being [TS]

01:04:20 ◼   ► ten or being 14 or you know it's like [TS]

01:04:22 ◼   ► it's been with me my whole life [TS]

01:04:23 ◼   ► basically but this record was one of the [TS]

01:04:27 ◼   ► ones I was scared to listen to on its [TS]

01:04:29 ◼   ► own and when I listened to it finally on [TS]

01:04:32 ◼   ► its own that fear was confirmed because [TS]

01:04:36 ◼   ► I was like so many things when you love [TS]

01:04:38 ◼   ► them I was scared to be disappointed [TS]

01:04:40 ◼   ► really the thing that I loved yeah I'm [TS]

01:04:43 ◼   ► oh no if I hear if I hear a perfect work [TS]

01:04:46 ◼   ► like I love my bloody Valentines a [TS]

01:04:51 ◼   ► record flawless one Lovelace I love it I [TS]

01:04:55 ◼   ► love it I love it I loved every minute [TS]

01:04:56 ◼   ► of it and I am very resistant to [TS]

01:04:59 ◼   ► listening to the other music made by My [TS]

01:05:03 ◼   ► Bloody Valentine I just don't want to [TS]

01:05:06 ◼   ► tarnish the thing that I love with [TS]

01:05:08 ◼   ► missed with any missteps I don't want to [TS]

01:05:11 ◼   ► hear his folk record you know I just [TS]

01:05:14 ◼   ► want to hear I just want to keep the [TS]

01:05:17 ◼   ► perfect thing and the Beatles were so [TS]

01:05:19 ◼   ► perfect through so much have you ever [TS]

01:05:23 ◼   ► have you ever heard their that the the [TS]

01:05:25 ◼   ► other Greatest Hits um [TS]

01:05:26 ◼   ► the brown one called love songs oh yes [TS]

01:05:30 ◼   ► young like the seventies yeah yeah I [TS]

01:05:33 ◼   ► feel like that that was that was uh that [TS]

01:05:36 ◼   ► was a popular one yet looks like them in [TS]

01:05:39 ◼   ► like a kind of leather cupboard yeah [TS]

01:05:40 ◼   ► exactly it's a it's an incredible [TS]

01:05:44 ◼   ► mixtape is what it is it's a very [TS]

01:05:46 ◼   ► unusual combination of those songs and [TS]

01:05:48 ◼   ► it's it's just like a weird it's a very [TS]

01:05:53 ◼   ► weird listen and a an emotional listen [TS]

01:05:57 ◼   ► it's it's their it's their sappy tunes I [TS]

01:06:00 ◼   ► guess for lack of a better term and and [TS]

01:06:04 ◼   ► taken out of their context and put into [TS]

01:06:06 ◼   ► this record it so it also was on my [TS]

01:06:10 ◼   ► turntable a lot growing up [TS]

01:06:14 ◼   ► I'm seeing 1977 yeah yeah I still have [TS]

01:06:20 ◼   ► all that stuff to all those vinyls [TS]

01:06:23 ◼   ► so I should get good though I should [TS]

01:06:27 ◼   ► just say I should have gotten my [TS]

01:06:29 ◼   ► Sergeant Pepper out and listen to it on [TS]

01:06:30 ◼   ► the record player Amazon Prime [TS]

01:06:38 ◼   ► so this thing came along and I I learned [TS]

01:06:43 ◼   ► about it from think guys I'm already [TS]

01:06:47 ◼   ► forgetting but I think I heard about it [TS]

01:06:48 ◼   ► from an interview with them Giles Martin [TS]

01:06:51 ◼   ► on All Songs Considered the MPR show and [TS]

01:06:55 ◼   ► I just hadn't realize it was out yet I'd [TS]

01:06:58 ◼   ► heard it was coming but again why am I [TS]

01:07:00 ◼   ► gonna pay attention to that uh it's not [TS]

01:07:01 ◼   ► my favorite you're talking about this [TS]

01:07:03 ◼   ► remix [TS]

01:07:03 ◼   ► yeah the remix I mean I it had been out [TS]

01:07:05 ◼   ► for I guess a week or two when I heard [TS]

01:07:07 ◼   ► this interview and the nice thing in [TS]

01:07:09 ◼   ► this interview is it's uh they basically [TS]

01:07:12 ◼   ► he jaws will like he'll talk about some [TS]

01:07:15 ◼   ► part of a song he plays usually plays [TS]

01:07:17 ◼   ► the I think he usually starts with the [TS]

01:07:21 ◼   ► stereo mix then plays the mono mix might [TS]

01:07:23 ◼   ► have been backwards and then third plays [TS]

01:07:25 ◼   ► the new one and I could I could really [TS]

01:07:29 ◼   ► really hear the difference and you know [TS]

01:07:32 ◼   ► again dead rock-and-roll ears but but I [TS]

01:07:34 ◼   ► mean I heard stuff on there I just [TS]

01:07:36 ◼   ► didn't I don't remember ever hearing or [TS]

01:07:38 ◼   ► even knowing was on there and I [TS]

01:07:40 ◼   ► instantly as soon as it was over I [TS]