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00:00:00 ◼   ► welcome to the buzz with CGP grey so I

00:00:03 ◼   ► just want to talk about something that's

00:00:05 ◼   ► been happening in my hive you did ask me

00:00:09 ◼   ► what I would like to do hmm when I'm an

00:00:11 ◼   ► old man and I did say peak bagging sort

00:00:14 ◼   ► of on the spur of the moment mm-hmm

00:00:15 ◼   ► there are some other things that spring

00:00:17 ◼   ► to mind that I kind of didn't think of

00:00:19 ◼   ► at the time oh yeah the problem is with

00:00:21 ◼   ► most of mine I've kind of like already

00:00:23 ◼   ► done them but what I would do is I would

00:00:26 ◼   ► do them better as an old man okay I feel

00:00:28 ◼   ► like you're almost venturing into

00:00:30 ◼   ► humblebrag territory here with it's like

00:00:32 ◼   ► oh I'd love to do more things but I've

00:00:34 ◼   ► already accomplished so much in my life

00:00:36 ◼   ► I don't mean it like that

00:00:38 ◼   ► okay like for example I really like like

00:00:41 ◼   ► slot cars like sort of scale at Rick's

00:00:43 ◼   ► tracks

00:00:44 ◼   ► I would love to create a massive one of

00:00:47 ◼   ► those like the size of like three or

00:00:49 ◼   ► four rooms

00:00:50 ◼   ► mm-hmm and like have a really really

00:00:52 ◼   ► slick one but I did go through a phase

00:00:53 ◼   ► like in my early adulthood where I got

00:00:56 ◼   ► into that and had a really cool one in

00:00:58 ◼   ► my room stuff like that I would like to

00:01:01 ◼   ► get into train sets ah

00:01:02 ◼   ► I've never done a good train set I'd

00:01:05 ◼   ► love to have like a big huge train set

00:01:07 ◼   ► in the basement that has all the good

00:01:08 ◼   ► models and stuff like that but the thing

00:01:10 ◼   ► that's closest to beekeeping that I

00:01:12 ◼   ► could have Benjen getting into would be

00:01:15 ◼   ► an aquarium a really good aquarium but I

00:01:18 ◼   ► have done lots of aquariums over the

00:01:20 ◼   ► years at various times I reckon I'd love

00:01:22 ◼   ► to get really back into keeping

00:01:23 ◼   ► aquariums it saltwater aquarium or a

00:01:25 ◼   ► freshwater aquarium Brede

00:01:26 ◼   ► well I mean I've done both oh wow okay

00:01:29 ◼   ► yeah saltwater I mean that's pro level

00:01:31 ◼   ► aquarium there I actually found it

00:01:33 ◼   ► surprisingly easy I didn't have a big

00:01:36 ◼   ► one mm-hmm

00:01:36 ◼   ► did I have at a bet what happened when I

00:01:38 ◼   ► finally got rid of my saltwater aquarium

00:01:40 ◼   ► I didn't know you had a saltwater

00:01:41 ◼   ► aquarium so no I don't know what

00:01:43 ◼   ► happened when you got rid of it I did

00:01:44 ◼   ► have one I was moving house when I left

00:01:46 ◼   ► Nottingham so I decided to not move with

00:01:49 ◼   ► the aquarium I decided to get rid of it

00:01:50 ◼   ► but I had this clownfish mm-hmm so I

00:01:53 ◼   ► ended up donating it to my local fish

00:01:55 ◼   ► and chip shop my local fish and chip

00:01:57 ◼   ► shop had this amazing saltwater aquarium

00:01:59 ◼   ► so I said to them one day while I was

00:02:01 ◼   ► buying fish and chips I said I'm getting

00:02:02 ◼   ► rid of my aquarium at home do you want

00:02:05 ◼   ► my fish and they were like yeah yeah

00:02:07 ◼   ► we'll take it off your hands they

00:02:08 ◼   ► already had a clownfish in there and

00:02:10 ◼   ► they're quite territorial clownfish

00:02:12 ◼   ► are they yeah so I took it in like a few

00:02:14 ◼   ► hours later in a bag and gave it to them

00:02:16 ◼   ► and they like released it into the

00:02:19 ◼   ► aquarium and at first their clownfish

00:02:21 ◼   ► was much bigger than mine and it was

00:02:23 ◼   ► clearly being bit of a bully and I felt

00:02:25 ◼   ► really sad and I thought I know I've put

00:02:26 ◼   ► it into this huge new aquarium with all

00:02:28 ◼   ► these other fish that don't like it and

00:02:29 ◼   ► I felt really sad and thought maybe

00:02:31 ◼   ► things weren't going to end well but

00:02:33 ◼   ► like I went back the next day to check

00:02:35 ◼   ► how it was going and it had become like

00:02:37 ◼   ► best buddies with the other clownfish

00:02:38 ◼   ► and they were like best mates and like

00:02:41 ◼   ► six months later I went back after I'd

00:02:42 ◼   ► moved I was back in Nottingham and I

00:02:44 ◼   ► went back to the fish and chip shop to

00:02:45 ◼   ► check and sure enough there he was or

00:02:48 ◼   ► there she was

00:02:48 ◼   ► whichever gender it had taken on best

00:02:51 ◼   ► mates with the other one so it ended

00:02:53 ◼   ► really well but I'd love to one day have

00:02:54 ◼   ► like a super massive aquarium like you

00:02:57 ◼   ► know six feet across a huge one I could

00:03:01 ◼   ► do that my old age and tend to my

00:03:02 ◼   ► Quarian so clearly your interest in

00:03:04 ◼   ► beekeeping generated a lot of interest

00:03:06 ◼   ► among listeners to the show as much

00:03:08 ◼   ► arisen from that what's come about since

00:03:10 ◼   ► in your world well you know Brady like I

00:03:12 ◼   ► couldn't help myself I mentioned in the

00:03:14 ◼   ► last show that sometimes I get caught in

00:03:15 ◼   ► a little bee vortex of reading about how

00:03:19 ◼   ► to keep bees how to manage your hives

00:03:21 ◼   ► how to do all these things and of course

00:03:23 ◼   ► after the show went live I was inundated

00:03:25 ◼   ► with links I spent a very pleasant

00:03:27 ◼   ► morning reading about a hobby that I

00:03:29 ◼   ► don't have any real intention of

00:03:30 ◼   ► pursuing until a couple decades from now

00:03:33 ◼   ► if ever I couldn't help myself I was

00:03:36 ◼   ► reading about urban hives and I was

00:03:38 ◼   ► looking into local beekeeping

00:03:40 ◼   ► associations and all these various

00:03:41 ◼   ► things I just I couldn't stop myself but

00:03:44 ◼   ► I do want to recommend to the listeners

00:03:45 ◼   ► something that was passed on to me which

00:03:47 ◼   ► is a youtuber called Cody's lab and it

00:03:51 ◼   ► looks like he's a guy who normally does

00:03:53 ◼   ► a whole bunch of science experiments and

00:03:55 ◼   ► stuff but people passed on to me that in

00:03:58 ◼   ► his spare time he does beekeeping and

00:04:01 ◼   ► there's a playlist of like a hundred

00:04:03 ◼   ► videos of him just tending to his bees I

00:04:06 ◼   ► was watching that I was really enjoying

00:04:08 ◼   ► that couldn't help myself

00:04:10 ◼   ► I was absolutely transfixed and for the

00:04:13 ◼   ► buzz for the actual beekeeping news the

00:04:16 ◼   ► very day that we published that episode

00:04:18 ◼   ► there was a huge swarm of bees in London

00:04:21 ◼   ► in Greenwich that actually caused one of

00:04:24 ◼   ► the streets to be shut

00:04:26 ◼   ► for a couple of hours and they had to

00:04:27 ◼   ► bring in a local beekeeper a total hero

00:04:30 ◼   ► to try to coerce a bunch of the bees

00:04:33 ◼   ► into some hives and get them to D swarm

00:04:36 ◼   ► from the street so I think our podcast

00:04:39 ◼   ► once again causes news to happen this

00:04:42 ◼   ► time in the realm of beads they were let

00:04:44 ◼   ► Tim bees and when they'd heard about

00:04:46 ◼   ► your interest they all flock to London

00:04:47 ◼   ► to try and see you and I think that that

00:04:49 ◼   ► is the only logical assumption we can

00:04:51 ◼   ► make I mean you talk about a hero you

00:04:54 ◼   ► now remind me I did mention last time

00:04:56 ◼   ► that my stepfather is a beekeeper mm-hmm

00:04:59 ◼   ► and his phone number did make it onto

00:05:02 ◼   ► like some list that the local council

00:05:04 ◼   ► kept of people who knew how to handle

00:05:06 ◼   ► bees and maybe once a month or so we'd

00:05:10 ◼   ► get a phone call from some local person

00:05:13 ◼   ► who was having a problem with a swarm of

00:05:14 ◼   ► bees like suddenly the bees had taken

00:05:16 ◼   ► over their backyard or front porch and

00:05:18 ◼   ► they were scared and didn't know how to

00:05:19 ◼   ► get rid of the bees and the council

00:05:21 ◼   ► would just say all right we know a guy

00:05:23 ◼   ► sure enough they'd call him and he'd go

00:05:25 ◼   ► around take the swarm away and often

00:05:28 ◼   ► he'd then take it and go and put it in

00:05:29 ◼   ► one of his boxes and he'd keep them hid

00:05:32 ◼   ► adopt them take them away that they've

00:05:35 ◼   ► happily Everafter literally on a farm

00:05:38 ◼   ► this time it's real bees really do go to

00:05:41 ◼   ► farms where are you taking those bees

00:05:43 ◼   ► I'm taking them to a farm no really

00:05:45 ◼   ► where are you taking up and I am I've

00:05:46 ◼   ► got a farm with like you know 50

00:05:48 ◼   ► beehives on it yeah but it seems like

00:05:49 ◼   ► this is a regular thing that you know

00:05:50 ◼   ► bees they swarm they'll get sort of

00:05:53 ◼   ► stuck in some area and then you call out

00:05:55 ◼   ► the local beekeeper to get them to go

00:05:57 ◼   ► into a hive and then take them off to a

00:06:00 ◼   ► farm such as the cycle with bees right

00:06:02 ◼   ► okay anyway that's this week in bee news

00:06:05 ◼   ► this waked the buzz next week probably

00:06:08 ◼   ► nothing who knows I've certainly learned

00:06:12 ◼   ► more about wisdom teeth than I ever

00:06:13 ◼   ► cared to know over the last month or so

00:06:15 ◼   ► hey whatever happened to the teeth did

00:06:17 ◼   ► you send them off to whoever it was who

00:06:19 ◼   ► wanted them thank you for reminding me

00:06:20 ◼   ► you can save me having to send an email

00:06:22 ◼   ► now because the woman who I said I would

00:06:25 ◼   ► send them to in Australia did email me

00:06:27 ◼   ► and I forgot to reply she said that's

00:06:29 ◼   ► great and I think she even sent me her

00:06:30 ◼   ► address but I've realized two things

00:06:33 ◼   ► well three things have come about

00:06:35 ◼   ► actually now

00:06:36 ◼   ► about it one is I didn't actually speak

00:06:39 ◼   ► to my wife about it so I don't know if

00:06:41 ◼   ► she'll be willing for me to send the

00:06:42 ◼   ► teeth away aha

00:06:44 ◼   ► she probably will but anyway I think you

00:06:46 ◼   ► care I'm just trying to mentally think

00:06:48 ◼   ► of a scenario under which your wife

00:06:50 ◼   ► might say oh no we really need to keep

00:06:51 ◼   ► those dog wisdom teeth the most

00:06:53 ◼   ► important thing though that someone else

00:06:55 ◼   ► pointed out to me was Australia is

00:06:58 ◼   ► notorious for its quarantine rules

00:07:00 ◼   ► particularly anything to do with fauna

00:07:03 ◼   ► or flora and you can almost guarantee

00:07:05 ◼   ► that sending teeth through the post to

00:07:08 ◼   ► Australia is not gonna happen and also

00:07:12 ◼   ► could result on you know people being

00:07:13 ◼   ► put on watch lists and things like that

00:07:15 ◼   ► so I'm not going to do it for that

00:07:16 ◼   ► reason and there is a third reason that

00:07:19 ◼   ► is top top top secret but I may have

00:07:23 ◼   ► found another amazing use for those

00:07:25 ◼   ► teeth and I haven't even told you about

00:07:29 ◼   ► it I thought it could possibly be that

00:07:32 ◼   ► you're gonna do with some doggy teeth

00:07:33 ◼   ► there baby

00:07:34 ◼   ► I'm making a necklace for you for

00:07:36 ◼   ► Christmas you better not be who would

00:07:39 ◼   ► throw away an Audrey teeth necklace you

00:07:42 ◼   ► monster only a monster would throw it

00:07:44 ◼   ► away that's true I would thank you and I

00:07:47 ◼   ► would hand it right back to you saying

00:07:49 ◼   ► that the gift was simply too great and I

00:07:52 ◼   ► could not accept it that's the way I

00:07:54 ◼   ► would try to handle that situation

00:07:55 ◼   ► speaking of gifts can I continue my

00:07:59 ◼   ► ongoing obsession with holidays and

00:08:03 ◼   ► things that we celebrate after April

00:08:05 ◼   ► Fool's Day and Star Wars day haha we

00:08:09 ◼   ► have now passed at the time of recording

00:08:11 ◼   ► just recently in some countries Mother's

00:08:15 ◼   ► Day what do you do about Mother's days

00:08:17 ◼   ► is celebrated in the gray family do you

00:08:21 ◼   ► contact your mother back in the states

00:08:23 ◼   ► and send her flowers or phone or up or

00:08:25 ◼   ► yeah of course you got to call your mom

00:08:27 ◼   ► on Mother's Day everybody does that

00:08:29 ◼   ► right baby

00:08:30 ◼   ► I'll come to that I just want to know

00:08:32 ◼   ► what you do you send presents I've just

00:08:34 ◼   ► sent flowers and you call you call your

00:08:36 ◼   ► mom on Mother's Day that's what I think

00:08:38 ◼   ► you do and you do flowers and I do

00:08:39 ◼   ► flowers my mom always says don't send

00:08:41 ◼   ► flowers but she's always very happy to

00:08:44 ◼   ► get them so it's a bit of a mixed

00:08:45 ◼   ► message there but I sent flowers anyway

00:08:46 ◼   ► I can easily have seen you as being

00:08:48 ◼   ► someone who wouldn't have

00:08:49 ◼   ► bought into that who would have said oh

00:08:50 ◼   ► this is just you know greeting card

00:08:52 ◼   ► industry florist industry I'm not

00:08:55 ◼   ► getting suckered into that I mean with

00:08:58 ◼   ► all these things it is right but it's

00:09:01 ◼   ► also what the day is to the person the

00:09:04 ◼   ► greeting card thing it's not necessarily

00:09:06 ◼   ► a valid complaint because people will

00:09:09 ◼   ► have expectations right on those days I

00:09:11 ◼   ► learned that when as a much younger fool

00:09:13 ◼   ► someone once told me that Valentine's

00:09:16 ◼   ► Day was not an important day and we

00:09:18 ◼   ► could treat it just like any other day

00:09:19 ◼   ► and I believed her and boy did I learn

00:09:22 ◼   ► it is not another day it's not another

00:09:26 ◼   ► day to the other person it's not another

00:09:28 ◼   ► day to the people who know that person

00:09:30 ◼   ► even if it is just concocted for

00:09:33 ◼   ► greeting cards

00:09:33 ◼   ► it still has real social ramifications

00:09:36 ◼   ► so the holidays are real even if they

00:09:40 ◼   ► are also serving other economic purposes

00:09:43 ◼   ► are there any days that are widely

00:09:45 ◼   ► recognized that you won't recognize are

00:09:49 ◼   ► you trying to find like a holiday

00:09:50 ◼   ► boycott yeah I'm trying to find the

00:09:52 ◼   ► holiday that you just besides April

00:09:54 ◼   ► Fool's Day that doesn't count this it's

00:09:55 ◼   ► not that April Fool's cards or anything

00:09:57 ◼   ► this is it do you G Father's Day like we

00:10:00 ◼   ► found your dad on Father's Day

00:10:01 ◼   ► yeah Father's Day is is coming up in

00:10:03 ◼   ► like a month I think here's the problem

00:10:05 ◼   ► right is there's actually an infinite

00:10:07 ◼   ► list of dumb holidays that you don't

00:10:10 ◼   ► know of right so it's the question of

00:10:11 ◼   ► like where the big ones that we can

00:10:13 ◼   ► actually agree on and I can't think of

00:10:15 ◼   ► any real major holidays that I would

00:10:17 ◼   ► fold my arms and go no that's ridiculous

00:10:19 ◼   ► like I know people who are really anti

00:10:21 ◼   ► Thanksgiving and I think that's dumb

00:10:23 ◼   ► it's a day to give thanks right guys

00:10:25 ◼   ► like we don't have to get all upset

00:10:26 ◼   ► about a whole bunch of other stuff so

00:10:28 ◼   ► the must find home days for you mother's

00:10:31 ◼   ► and Father's Day presumably both your

00:10:33 ◼   ► parents birthdays and Christmas Day and

00:10:36 ◼   ► Thanksgiving yeah I would say that those

00:10:38 ◼   ► are the must phone home holidays do you

00:10:40 ◼   ► phone your parents on their wedding

00:10:42 ◼   ► anniversary all right so I wasn't gonna

00:10:44 ◼   ► bring it up but this one is actually

00:10:45 ◼   ► sorry parents this one I feel like it's

00:10:47 ◼   ► slightly controversial because my

00:10:50 ◼   ► parents definitely think that I should

00:10:53 ◼   ► phone home on their anniversary right

00:10:56 ◼   ► and for a long time I definitely did not

00:11:00 ◼   ► think this was required

00:11:03 ◼   ► phone day rap because I thought like

00:11:05 ◼   ► this is a holiday for the two of you

00:11:08 ◼   ► yeah this doesn't really have anything

00:11:10 ◼   ► to do with me yeah but I eventually as I

00:11:13 ◼   ► got older did finally give in to this

00:11:16 ◼   ► and I do now call my parents on their

00:11:19 ◼   ► anniversary it's not like it's a burden

00:11:21 ◼   ► or anything it's just like a funny thing

00:11:23 ◼   ► like it doesn't feel to me like that

00:11:24 ◼   ► should be a required like along with a

00:11:27 ◼   ► Mother's Day right it doesn't feel like

00:11:28 ◼   ► it should be a children should be

00:11:31 ◼   ► required to call their parents on their

00:11:33 ◼   ► parents anniversary days but what do you

00:11:36 ◼   ► think about that I don't think you

00:11:37 ◼   ► should mmm I think it's like their day

00:11:40 ◼   ► it's also a bit weird like it's a

00:11:42 ◼   ► romance day for them like you know maybe

00:11:44 ◼   ► your parents are having a little kiss

00:11:45 ◼   ► and a cuddle on that day and you don't

00:11:47 ◼   ► want to think about your parents doing

00:11:48 ◼   ► that that is also the other part of it

00:11:50 ◼   ► is is it does feel very particularly

00:11:53 ◼   ► like the parents day kids don't need to

00:11:56 ◼   ► be involved in an anniversary day yeah

00:11:58 ◼   ► my family's pretty casual about that

00:12:00 ◼   ► sort of stuff anyway we do phonon

00:12:02 ◼   ► birthdays if we remember nice but it's

00:12:05 ◼   ► not a guarantee and there are no like

00:12:06 ◼   ► presents or cards or flowers and things

00:12:08 ◼   ► like that mmm we're just pretty

00:12:10 ◼   ► laid-back about that sort of stuff I do

00:12:12 ◼   ► have my parents birthdays in my

00:12:15 ◼   ► recurring diary now but for many many

00:12:17 ◼   ► years I didn't so there's a great

00:12:19 ◼   ► tradition on my parents birthdays for my

00:12:23 ◼   ► sister to send me a text telling me it's

00:12:25 ◼   ► the parents birthday so that I don't

00:12:26 ◼   ► forget to close even though I do

00:12:28 ◼   ► remember now I always get a text from my

00:12:30 ◼   ► sister on my parents birthdays yeah I

00:12:32 ◼   ► did the same thing with my parents

00:12:33 ◼   ► anniversaries because particularly in

00:12:35 ◼   ► college I think I missed many a parents

00:12:37 ◼   ► anniversary too much displeasure from my

00:12:40 ◼   ► parents and eventually like back in the

00:12:42 ◼   ► day like my super cool Palm Pilot I

00:12:44 ◼   ► finally decided to put it in the

00:12:46 ◼   ► calendar so I would actually have a

00:12:48 ◼   ► reminder of when my parents anniversary

00:12:49 ◼   ► is well I'm just going to put it out

00:12:51 ◼   ► there and you know that I think your

00:12:53 ◼   ► mum's great but I think mrs. gray you

00:12:54 ◼   ► need to give gray a leave pass on the

00:12:56 ◼   ► anniversaries but I know she won't not

00:13:00 ◼   ► because she thinks anniversary is

00:13:01 ◼   ► important I have no idea what she thinks

00:13:02 ◼   ► of anniversaries but I know how much she

00:13:04 ◼   ► loves you and she's not going to have

00:13:05 ◼   ► one less opportunity for you to come

00:13:07 ◼   ► home she's not going to relinquish it

00:13:09 ◼   ► based on that alone no that isn't

00:13:11 ◼   ► not going to happen I will be genuinely

00:13:12 ◼   ► curious in the reddit to see like what

00:13:14 ◼   ► the breakdown is of in families whether

00:13:17 ◼   ► or not calling on the parents

00:13:19 ◼   ► anniversaries is like the required day

00:13:20 ◼   ► or that not required day because I feel

00:13:22 ◼   ► like this one is the controversial day

00:13:23 ◼   ► and the responses are going to span from

00:13:25 ◼   ► I don't even know my parents anniversary

00:13:27 ◼   ► are through to we all get together and

00:13:30 ◼   ► have a massive dinner mm-hmm I mean I

00:13:32 ◼   ► have mentioned the fact I have a step

00:13:33 ◼   ► further which is implicit in that that

00:13:35 ◼   ► my parents are divorced actually

00:13:36 ◼   ► mmm-hmm so I don't call them on their

00:13:39 ◼   ► anniversary when Lina look they do get

00:13:41 ◼   ► along but it would be read if I called

00:13:43 ◼   ► them both separately on their wedding

00:13:44 ◼   ► anniversary say the problem with

00:13:46 ◼   ► Mother's Day of course though is the

00:13:50 ◼   ► total panic that happens every year if

00:13:53 ◼   ► you live in the UK but your mother is in

00:13:56 ◼   ► America this is actually the whole

00:13:57 ◼   ► reason I brought this up I've had

00:13:59 ◼   ► forgotten because we went down the

00:14:00 ◼   ► rabbit hole of anniversaries but the

00:14:02 ◼   ► whole reason I brought up Mother's Day

00:14:03 ◼   ► is that it's celebrated on different

00:14:05 ◼   ► days all over the world and the UK is

00:14:08 ◼   ► very unusual in when it celebrates

00:14:11 ◼   ► Mother's Day compared to everyone else

00:14:13 ◼   ► the USA and Australia celebrated on the

00:14:15 ◼   ► same day oh I didn't realize Australia

00:14:16 ◼   ► in the u.s. do on the same day okay they

00:14:18 ◼   ► do so probably the most common day to do

00:14:20 ◼   ► it and as the Australia in the u.s. do

00:14:22 ◼   ► this is the second Sunday in May mm-hmm

00:14:24 ◼   ► but in the UK is of course held on the

00:14:28 ◼   ► fourth Sunday of Lent as parently

00:14:30 ◼   ► looking at the Wikipedia apparently it's

00:14:32 ◼   ► because of some old-fashioned day when

00:14:35 ◼   ► in the 16th century Christians would go

00:14:39 ◼   ► back to their mother church on that day

00:14:41 ◼   ► mm-hmm and that would also obviously be

00:14:43 ◼   ► a time you were more likely to go and

00:14:45 ◼   ► see your parents and lovers would be

00:14:46 ◼   ► reunited with their children so it

00:14:48 ◼   ► somehow relates to all that which I kind

00:14:49 ◼   ► of like in some ways because at least

00:14:51 ◼   ► there's some like traditional reason for

00:14:53 ◼   ► the day right at least there's some

00:14:54 ◼   ► reason in Russia they sort of celebrate

00:14:57 ◼   ► Mother's on International Women's Day

00:14:58 ◼   ► and that's a really big day there and

00:15:00 ◼   ► that's another day again

00:15:02 ◼   ► so I happen to be in Russia just before

00:15:05 ◼   ► the last Mother's Day there so I was

00:15:08 ◼   ► quite aware of it now again I was like I

00:15:09 ◼   ► know is that Mother's Day no no no it's

00:15:12 ◼   ► Russia the Mother's Day and then I got

00:15:13 ◼   ► back in like in the UK everyone's

00:15:15 ◼   ► celebrating oh no is it Mother's Day

00:15:16 ◼   ► basically what I usually do on Mother's

00:15:18 ◼   ► Day is I text my mum and I just say

00:15:21 ◼   ► happy Australian Mother's Day

00:15:24 ◼   ► actually become brilliant for me because

00:15:25 ◼   ► if I ever forget I can use this as the

00:15:28 ◼   ► ultimate excuse now like if I forget

00:15:29 ◼   ► Australian Mother's Day I can say oh

00:15:31 ◼   ► sorry it's not Mother's Day where I am

00:15:33 ◼   ► and vice versa so which day I mean I

00:15:37 ◼   ► presume the answer you're going to say

00:15:38 ◼   ► is it should be celebrated on the day of

00:15:41 ◼   ► the country that your mother is in yeah

00:15:44 ◼   ► I think you need to celebrate it where

00:15:46 ◼   ► the mother is yeah particularly like

00:15:49 ◼   ► having the UK ahead of time I don't

00:15:52 ◼   ► think that works very well because if

00:15:53 ◼   ► you call your mother a month before in

00:15:57 ◼   ► her mind it's Mother's Day I think

00:16:00 ◼   ► there's no amount of talking you can do

00:16:01 ◼   ► which will convince the mother oh this

00:16:03 ◼   ► is a Mother's Day call like nope you're

00:16:05 ◼   ► just making a Sunday call and it happens

00:16:07 ◼   ► to be Mother's Day where you the child

00:16:09 ◼   ► are but not where the mother is right I

00:16:12 ◼   ► think then you fast forward a month

00:16:14 ◼   ► later and it's actually Mother's Day

00:16:15 ◼   ► wherever the mother is you're gonna have

00:16:17 ◼   ► a sad mother who feels like her child

00:16:19 ◼   ► has not called her on a Mother's Day I

00:16:20 ◼   ► don't think this is an obligation that

00:16:22 ◼   ► you can get out of the way cuz oh say

00:16:24 ◼   ► it's about showing off to the other

00:16:26 ◼   ► mothers isn't it well this is exactly it

00:16:28 ◼   ► right it's entirely about oh did your

00:16:31 ◼   ► child call you today right and then they

00:16:33 ◼   ► want to be able to say yes all right and

00:16:35 ◼   ► saying oh my my child called me a month

00:16:37 ◼   ► ago I don't think that really counts it

00:16:39 ◼   ► in mother competition like I don't think

00:16:41 ◼   ► that helps at all so no this is not what

00:16:43 ◼   ► this is I would love to sit in the room

00:16:45 ◼   ► with your mum and like her friends when

00:16:49 ◼   ► her friends say to her Oh

00:16:51 ◼   ► what's your son doing these days I would

00:16:54 ◼   ► love to hear how she answers that like

00:16:56 ◼   ► oh yeah he lives in England and he like

00:16:58 ◼   ► makes videos on YouTube but once every

00:17:01 ◼   ► few months and plays video games and

00:17:04 ◼   ► stuff is that how you think my mom would

00:17:07 ◼   ► answer that Brady well if she's being

00:17:09 ◼   ► honest yes is that what you think the

00:17:11 ◼   ► answer is no I'm sure you're like some

00:17:14 ◼   ► successful film maker in London he's a

00:17:17 ◼   ► London filmmaker don't you know and

00:17:19 ◼   ► they're like don't lie to us mrs. grey

00:17:20 ◼   ► we've seen him streaming Truck Simulator

00:17:24 ◼   ► okay Brady do you remember a long time

00:17:28 ◼   ► ago we talked about what happens when

00:17:31 ◼   ► people ask me what I do do you remember

00:17:33 ◼   ► this conversation will you be upset if I

00:17:35 ◼   ► say I don't nope not at all I don't

00:17:36 ◼   ► remember

00:17:37 ◼   ► so long in the annals of hello Internet

00:17:40 ◼   ► probably one of the very very first

00:17:42 ◼   ► shows we did I mentioned how I really

00:17:45 ◼   ► don't like to talk about my work with

00:17:48 ◼   ► other people hmm

00:17:49 ◼   ► would you found very surprising but it's

00:17:51 ◼   ► like I am constantly and even still to

00:17:53 ◼   ► this day I have not found a good answer

00:17:55 ◼   ► I am always trying to find the most

00:17:59 ◼   ► boring but still truthful way I can

00:18:03 ◼   ► possibly describe my job to another

00:18:05 ◼   ► person I appreciate that more now than I

00:18:07 ◼   ► used to I'm like that too now oh really

00:18:09 ◼   ► to the point where it irritates my wife

00:18:11 ◼   ► a bit like we'll be like at some fancy

00:18:13 ◼   ► dinner with like high-flying people and

00:18:15 ◼   ► they'll ask what I'll do and I'll just

00:18:17 ◼   ► really downplay it and make it sound as

00:18:20 ◼   ► and interesting as possible and then

00:18:22 ◼   ► shit later on she'll be like oh why do

00:18:23 ◼   ► you do that I'm really proud of what you

00:18:24 ◼   ► do why don't you and I'm like can I ask

00:18:27 ◼   ► what happened there were like what

00:18:28 ◼   ► changed with that I don't know I think

00:18:30 ◼   ► maybe I got a bit sick of talking about

00:18:33 ◼   ► it I don't know if I can do a diversion

00:18:35 ◼   ► to our diversion these do please do I

00:18:37 ◼   ► had a very funny thing happened the

00:18:38 ◼   ► other day actually I was at like an

00:18:40 ◼   ► event where there was a comedian hmm and

00:18:44 ◼   ► he was like you know picking on people

00:18:46 ◼   ► in the audience and stuff like that and

00:18:48 ◼   ► this opportunity came about for me to

00:18:51 ◼   ► call out and like sort of respond to

00:18:53 ◼   ► something he said and like look I'm

00:18:56 ◼   ► gonna brag I like owned him like I saw

00:18:59 ◼   ► an opportunity and I took it and like I

00:19:01 ◼   ► got a big ovation for how good it was

00:19:04 ◼   ► and that even the comedian said you're

00:19:05 ◼   ► my kind of heckler it was like this

00:19:07 ◼   ► amazing moment that just presented

00:19:09 ◼   ► itself and I took it like you know those

00:19:10 ◼   ► those moments in life where you think oh

00:19:12 ◼   ► I wish I'd thought to say that and do

00:19:14 ◼   ► that like you know a week later this was

00:19:16 ◼   ► one of the few moments where it just

00:19:17 ◼   ► came to my head at the moment and like I

00:19:19 ◼   ► did it and it was brilliant I want to

00:19:21 ◼   ► get on record here as well I can totally

00:19:22 ◼   ► believe that this happened like that

00:19:24 ◼   ► you're not spinning a tale about how I

00:19:26 ◼   ► was like I can believe that in a comedy

00:19:28 ◼   ► club you saw an opening that got you

00:19:30 ◼   ► with standing ovations because I have

00:19:33 ◼   ► told you many times and I think you

00:19:34 ◼   ► always deflect this compliment like I am

00:19:36 ◼   ► always so impressed by your quick wit

00:19:39 ◼   ► like that is by far and away one of the

00:19:41 ◼   ► things I am like the most envious of

00:19:43 ◼   ► with you is like you just have some of

00:19:45 ◼   ► the quickest wit of anybody I know

00:19:46 ◼   ► sometimes so I can believe that you

00:19:49 ◼   ► owned a situation in a comic

00:19:51 ◼   ► club and got an ovation from the crowd

00:19:52 ◼   ► thank you very much I didn't get a

00:19:54 ◼   ► standing ovation but it was a standing

00:19:56 ◼   ► ovation that's the way it happens okay

00:19:58 ◼   ► so I had my moment and then the comedian

00:20:01 ◼   ► says like he's obviously gonna start up

00:20:03 ◼   ► on me

00:20:03 ◼   ► and it did center around the fact I was

00:20:05 ◼   ► Australian so then he then said so do

00:20:09 ◼   ► you have a job and I kind of would yes

00:20:12 ◼   ► like you know in a funny way as if

00:20:14 ◼   ► everyone knew I was about to get picked

00:20:15 ◼   ► on and here this is a committee who

00:20:17 ◼   ► obviously has like a response for any

00:20:19 ◼   ► job I'm gonna say exactly so then he

00:20:21 ◼   ► says to me what's your job

00:20:22 ◼   ► and I said I met YouTube videos mm-hmm

00:20:26 ◼   ► and he had absolutely nothing to say

00:20:28 ◼   ► mm-hmm except he said oh I wouldn't mind

00:20:31 ◼   ► talking to you later and then he just

00:20:33 ◼   ► got on with his gig there's nowhere to

00:20:34 ◼   ► go with it it's such a bizarre thing and

00:20:37 ◼   ► I think maybe that goes back to the

00:20:40 ◼   ► question we were talking about why don't

00:20:41 ◼   ► I talk about it it's because I opened

00:20:43 ◼   ► such a weird can of worms and it could

00:20:46 ◼   ► go down so many paths that I don't know

00:20:48 ◼   ► where it will go that you know sometimes

00:20:50 ◼   ► I'm in the mood for it and I want to

00:20:51 ◼   ► talk about my work and I'll get really

00:20:53 ◼   ► into it I'm not like you know a recluse

00:20:55 ◼   ► but most of the time I just think it's

00:20:58 ◼   ► just not worth it they're going to ask

00:20:59 ◼   ► me lots of questions then they're going

00:21:01 ◼   ► to ask me more questions and that's

00:21:02 ◼   ► going to be the next 10 minutes and the

00:21:04 ◼   ► answers I give them are going to force

00:21:06 ◼   ► them to ask more questions even they

00:21:08 ◼   ► don't want to ask oh really what do you

00:21:10 ◼   ► make youtube videos about oh like

00:21:12 ◼   ► Science and Mathematics and stuff mm-hmm

00:21:14 ◼   ► and straightaway where like I've pulled

00:21:16 ◼   ► someone into a conversation about like

00:21:18 ◼   ► science and math mm-hmm I don't always

00:21:21 ◼   ► shut it down but I shut it down more

00:21:23 ◼   ► than I used to and I can see why you

00:21:24 ◼   ► would too you know especially you

00:21:26 ◼   ► because you've got the same problem as

00:21:28 ◼   ► me and you're less comfortable with

00:21:31 ◼   ► awkward conversations yeah and I just

00:21:33 ◼   ► don't like talking about it and it is

00:21:34 ◼   ► always just a weird situation I still

00:21:38 ◼   ► have not come up with an answer that I

00:21:40 ◼   ► feel is comfortably truthful yet

00:21:44 ◼   ► adequately boring like I am constantly

00:21:46 ◼   ► searching for the perfect way to

00:21:48 ◼   ► describe it so every time somebody asked

00:21:50 ◼   ► me what I do I end up just sounding like

00:21:53 ◼   ► an idiot's doesn't even know what he

00:21:55 ◼   ► does for a living and I just kind of

00:21:57 ◼   ► stumble through it and that does work

00:22:00 ◼   ► because I don't get any follow-up

00:22:01 ◼   ► questions but I feel like it leaves a

00:22:03 ◼   ► really bad impression but I never want

00:22:04 ◼   ► to

00:22:05 ◼   ► I and just say something like oh I'm a

00:22:07 ◼   ► data analyst for a boring company you

00:22:11 ◼   ► can't lie I have found it works quite

00:22:13 ◼   ► well to say I make youtube videos and if

00:22:16 ◼   ► they want to know more I really like

00:22:17 ◼   ► what do you do I say are they kind of

00:22:19 ◼   ► unlike nerdy stuff like mathematics and

00:22:21 ◼   ► science and they're surprisingly popular

00:22:22 ◼   ► lots of people watch them so I'm able to

00:22:24 ◼   ► do it as my job yeah I mean maybe I'll

00:22:26 ◼   ► December I'm a professional livestreamer

00:22:28 ◼   ► yeah so anyway how does your mum answer

00:22:31 ◼   ► that question my mom a long time ago

00:22:35 ◼   ► when my career was just getting started

00:22:38 ◼   ► was very proud to tell people like what

00:22:41 ◼   ► I was doing you know so she would say

00:22:42 ◼   ► like oh he makes these videos on the

00:22:43 ◼   ► Internet

00:22:44 ◼   ► but as time has gone on I think she has

00:22:47 ◼   ► run into the same thing that you do of

00:22:49 ◼   ► just like I don't want to get into this

00:22:51 ◼   ► conversation

00:22:51 ◼   ► it gets a hold real fast and so what I

00:22:53 ◼   ► love is my mother's answer now which I

00:22:55 ◼   ► do think is like true enough for the

00:22:59 ◼   ► crowd of people that she's talking to is

00:23:01 ◼   ► my mom says oh he works for Google right

00:23:04 ◼   ► and that's like random conversation

00:23:07 ◼   ► apparently in my mother circles that is

00:23:10 ◼   ► like adequately prestigious but also has

00:23:13 ◼   ► zero follow-up questions that come

00:23:16 ◼   ► afterward right cuz like nobody wants to

00:23:18 ◼   ► know what he does working for Google and

00:23:21 ◼   ► I feel like well I do get like paychecks

00:23:24 ◼   ► from Google from Google Adsense so it's

00:23:26 ◼   ► not an unreasonable answer that's my

00:23:28 ◼   ► mom's answer she doesn't actually talk

00:23:30 ◼   ► about what I do she just says I work for

00:23:32 ◼   ► Google I do get a bit frustrated in some

00:23:34 ◼   ► ways though by a similar problem and

00:23:36 ◼   ► that is when I left the BBC my main

00:23:39 ◼   ► channels I were doing were periodic

00:23:41 ◼   ► videos and sixty symbols

00:23:43 ◼   ► little I still do them but other things

00:23:45 ◼   ► have you know come along since yeah but

00:23:47 ◼   ► I said those are still your two biggest

00:23:49 ◼   ► right now or no numberphile oh sorry

00:23:51 ◼   ► yeah of course of course but yeah

00:23:52 ◼   ► they're like big channels yeah epic

00:23:54 ◼   ► channels and they are obviously

00:23:55 ◼   ► collaborations with the University of

00:23:57 ◼   ► Nottingham they're like my thing like

00:23:59 ◼   ► you know I'm completely independent and

00:24:00 ◼   ► I own them into collaboration with those

00:24:02 ◼   ► scientists but you know I've filmed them

00:24:05 ◼   ► a lot at the Uni with those people and

00:24:06 ◼   ► everyone I worked with at the BBC when I

00:24:10 ◼   ► left the BBC to become like full-time

00:24:12 ◼   ► YouTube just assumed I'd gone to work

00:24:14 ◼   ► for the University like you know as

00:24:17 ◼   ► they're like

00:24:18 ◼   ► the filmmaker or something and that the

00:24:20 ◼   ► university has a whole PR department and

00:24:22 ◼   ► it drives me crazy because still every

00:24:24 ◼   ► time I go back to the BBC like they'll

00:24:26 ◼   ► all say oh how you doing it's good to

00:24:28 ◼   ► see you again Braley are you still

00:24:29 ◼   ► working for the University of Nottingham

00:24:30 ◼   ► like now I never bloody worked for the

00:24:33 ◼   ► University of Nottingham so that does

00:24:36 ◼   ► drive me a bit crazy because like I

00:24:38 ◼   ► quite value my independence

00:24:39 ◼   ► so the thought that I'm like working in

00:24:42 ◼   ► like the PR team a big institution like

00:24:45 ◼   ► that would be a job that I would not

00:24:46 ◼   ► like to do so to think that like loads

00:24:49 ◼   ► of my former colleagues think that is

00:24:50 ◼   ► the job that I do do is like a little

00:24:52 ◼   ► bit frustrating but you know what I

00:24:54 ◼   ► usually will just say yes so that's how

00:24:57 ◼   ► much I don't want to bother explaining

00:24:58 ◼   ► the situation okay yeah yeah I'm still

00:25:01 ◼   ► there

00:25:02 ◼   ► I'll sometimes say I don't technically

00:25:03 ◼   ► work for them actually but I still do

00:25:05 ◼   ► lots of stuff with them and they're

00:25:06 ◼   ► great and I love the University right

00:25:08 ◼   ► right there you go no follow-up

00:25:09 ◼   ► questions I mean this whole thing is

00:25:11 ◼   ► tied up to this weird idea of like how

00:25:15 ◼   ► we are so identified with our jobs in

00:25:17 ◼   ► the modern world like I think that's

00:25:18 ◼   ► part of why it's like so is this weird

00:25:20 ◼   ► uncomfortable area sometimes when I'm

00:25:23 ◼   ► meeting new people I do like to try to

00:25:25 ◼   ► play a little game to keep evenings more

00:25:27 ◼   ► interesting at least in my head which is

00:25:29 ◼   ► the don't ask the other person what they

00:25:31 ◼   ► do game I can see how long you can go in

00:25:34 ◼   ► a conversation before you ask the other

00:25:36 ◼   ► person what it is that they do right and

00:25:38 ◼   ► it can sometimes be surprisingly hard

00:25:41 ◼   ► and it's just interesting because every

00:25:43 ◼   ► once in a while I will also run into

00:25:45 ◼   ► someone else who it's like I think

00:25:46 ◼   ► you're running the same game like I

00:25:48 ◼   ► think you're running that don't ask me

00:25:50 ◼   ► what I do game either it's just a little

00:25:52 ◼   ► bit interesting and it's a thing that I

00:25:54 ◼   ► sometimes like to try to do in a social

00:25:57 ◼   ► situation is not ask the obvious

00:26:00 ◼   ► question straightaway I wonder if any of

00:26:04 ◼   ► your mum's friends or like all of her

00:26:06 ◼   ► friends like know what you do like you

00:26:08 ◼   ► know you're a youtuber or like you know

00:26:10 ◼   ► they listen to hello Internet and they

00:26:11 ◼   ► either think that your mum's like a

00:26:13 ◼   ► pathological liar or like a fantasies or

00:26:17 ◼   ► they think that you're lying to her and

00:26:18 ◼   ► like she doesn't know and like they're

00:26:20 ◼   ► all huge hello internet fans and when

00:26:22 ◼   ► your mum leaves they go oh poor thing

00:26:24 ◼   ► she doesn't even know about the podcast

00:26:27 ◼   ► why is great lying to her it's very

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00:29:26 ◼   ► Brady's papercuts rower hmm and I know

00:29:29 ◼   ► people enjoy them and it does occur to

00:29:32 ◼   ► me that like I don't mind bit of a

00:29:34 ◼   ► whinge right and you basically accused

00:29:38 ◼   ► me being a grump last episode did I I

00:29:40 ◼   ► don't think I did

00:29:41 ◼   ► well you can't it did no surely not so

00:29:44 ◼   ► instead of a paper cut I'm gonna do

00:29:46 ◼   ► Brady's paper love this week and talk

00:29:49 ◼   ► about something that always makes me

00:29:51 ◼   ► feel happy and warms my heart just a

00:29:54 ◼   ► little little thing in life like a paper

00:29:56 ◼   ► cut just one of the little things in

00:29:57 ◼   ► life except this has the exact opposite

00:30:00 ◼   ► effect on it and it always makes me

00:30:02 ◼   ► proud to be a human paper love that's

00:30:04 ◼   ► what you're going with

00:30:05 ◼   ► it's a Brady's paper love I can't think

00:30:07 ◼   ► of like the opposite of a paper cut we

00:30:09 ◼   ► you know where I'm coming from I know

00:30:10 ◼   ► where you're coming from

00:30:11 ◼   ► alright okay and this is and it happened

00:30:15 ◼   ► to me the other day you're driving along

00:30:17 ◼   ► I was driving along the back roads and

00:30:19 ◼   ► lanes and you know amongst all the

00:30:20 ◼   ► traffic of the UK and then like you hear

00:30:24 ◼   ► an ambulance and an ambulance is like

00:30:25 ◼   ► coming up behind you in the distance

00:30:27 ◼   ► mm-hmm and all of a sudden all the

00:30:29 ◼   ► drivers like unite in this mad scramble

00:30:32 ◼   ► to drive up onto the sidewalks and pull

00:30:35 ◼   ► inside lanes and pull over and do

00:30:37 ◼   ► everything they can to get out the way

00:30:39 ◼   ► of the ambulance and suddenly like all

00:30:41 ◼   ► bets are off all the rules of the road

00:30:43 ◼   ► are off and no one cares about who's in

00:30:45 ◼   ► front of anyone else anymore or what

00:30:46 ◼   ► we're doing all we have to do is help

00:30:48 ◼   ► this ambulance get through and save a

00:30:50 ◼   ► life and we all pull over and like go

00:30:52 ◼   ► into weird angles and they

00:30:54 ◼   ► ambulance goes blazing past and then we

00:30:55 ◼   ► all regroup and try and get back onto

00:30:57 ◼   ► the road and continue driving and for

00:30:59 ◼   ► those like few seconds we were all

00:31:02 ◼   ► heroes helping save a life and we were

00:31:04 ◼   ► all united and for a few seconds

00:31:06 ◼   ► we were unselfish and didn't just care

00:31:09 ◼   ► about what we were doing and where we

00:31:10 ◼   ► were going

00:31:11 ◼   ► we all cared about something else and it

00:31:13 ◼   ► always makes me feel warm you feel like

00:31:15 ◼   ► your hero when you pull out of the way

00:31:17 ◼   ► of the ambulance Brady yeah I do and I

00:31:19 ◼   ► also you feel a bit like edgy because

00:31:21 ◼   ► you're like driving in a way you're not

00:31:22 ◼   ► supposed to and people would driving on

00:31:24 ◼   ► the wrong side of the road and also you

00:31:25 ◼   ► know you could do anything you want as

00:31:27 ◼   ► long as you save their life I love it I

00:31:30 ◼   ► love it I think it is the law that an

00:31:32 ◼   ► ambulance radiates a traffic violation

00:31:35 ◼   ► free zone of 200 meters around it in

00:31:39 ◼   ► every direction as its barreling along I

00:31:40 ◼   ► think that's the way that works right

00:31:41 ◼   ► like no-one's going to give you a ticket

00:31:43 ◼   ► for that kind of stuff how would they

00:31:45 ◼   ► know though if you'd like ran a red

00:31:47 ◼   ► light you like you had to brake a red

00:31:48 ◼   ► light to get out the way or something to

00:31:50 ◼   ► let an ambulance through is there some

00:31:52 ◼   ► automated way for them to know that that

00:31:54 ◼   ► was okay the brick the running of that

00:31:55 ◼   ► red light like yeah that's an

00:31:57 ◼   ► interesting question with like the

00:31:58 ◼   ► automated intersections yeah don't know

00:32:00 ◼   ► sure people or no but someone has to

00:32:03 ◼   ► have been in that situation of getting a

00:32:04 ◼   ► ticket for crossing a red light to get

00:32:07 ◼   ► out of the way of an ambulance right

00:32:09 ◼   ► this has to have happened somewhere in

00:32:10 ◼   ► an automated system yeah I would be

00:32:13 ◼   ► willing to bet that there is no town or

00:32:16 ◼   ► local government that wouldn't over turn

00:32:18 ◼   ► that ticket if they had a record of the

00:32:20 ◼   ► ambulance going through at that moment

00:32:21 ◼   ► that sounds like a lot of work for me to

00:32:23 ◼   ► write a letter in and say actually this

00:32:25 ◼   ► is what I was doing and for them to go

00:32:27 ◼   ► and like check the records I actually

00:32:30 ◼   ► there was an ambulance that probably had

00:32:31 ◼   ► to go that way that day because there

00:32:33 ◼   ► was this you know it seems like a lot of

00:32:34 ◼   ► fattening yeah I mean it's going to be

00:32:36 ◼   ► some faffing I think it's also going to

00:32:38 ◼   ► be very rare but I think it's going to

00:32:40 ◼   ► have happened also if you don't want to

00:32:42 ◼   ► write a letter to the council I'll

00:32:43 ◼   ► remind you of the time that you severely

00:32:46 ◼   ► packaged up whatever the hell it was two

00:32:48 ◼   ► pence to send to that company that you

00:32:50 ◼   ► need to pay every once in a while you

00:32:52 ◼   ► know you're a man who could do some

00:32:53 ◼   ► faffing right I'm trying to sound not

00:32:55 ◼   ► grumpy for a minute hey you don't have

00:32:56 ◼   ► to bring that up again no Brady it they

00:32:58 ◼   ► don't mean to grandpa feiyu everybody

00:33:00 ◼   ► loves a happy Brady nobody loves a

00:33:02 ◼   ► grumpy Brady complaining about things

00:33:03 ◼   ► that's not fun for anybody at all I know

00:33:05 ◼   ► you don't drive in the UK but you you do

00:33:07 ◼   ► drive in this

00:33:08 ◼   ► it's occasionally like do you enjoy that

00:33:10 ◼   ► when you get to like you know do some

00:33:12 ◼   ► cool jumping out the way of the

00:33:13 ◼   ► ambulance action might be a hero as

00:33:15 ◼   ► always with these things Brady I am

00:33:18 ◼   ► charmed by the way your mind just works

00:33:22 ◼   ► differently like I find it really

00:33:23 ◼   ► charming that you're thinking of

00:33:25 ◼   ► yourself as a hero when you do this okay

00:33:28 ◼   ► like a thrill of excitement for pulling

00:33:30 ◼   ► out of the way I don't actually think

00:33:32 ◼   ► I'm a hero but what I feel is like a

00:33:34 ◼   ► camaraderie that we're all pulling in to

00:33:36 ◼   ► help like I don't think like I've saved

00:33:38 ◼   ► a life

00:33:39 ◼   ► but I do through this crime battery with

00:33:41 ◼   ► my fellow drivers that we've all pulled

00:33:43 ◼   ► together for a common cause and suddenly

00:33:44 ◼   ► we've all been linked together and we're

00:33:46 ◼   ► all doing a good thing but the thing is

00:33:48 ◼   ► really my view of this is like obviously

00:33:50 ◼   ► of course it's great that everybody does

00:33:52 ◼   ► this but it's like a tit-for-tat thing

00:33:54 ◼   ► in society we all do this because we

00:33:57 ◼   ► also want other people to do this when

00:33:59 ◼   ► we're in the ambulance yeah of course

00:34:00 ◼   ► yeah that's why this works but that's

00:34:02 ◼   ► how this is happening that's funny

00:34:03 ◼   ► actually I never think about the fact

00:34:05 ◼   ► that could be a person in the ambulance

00:34:07 ◼   ► it's always my assumption the ambulance

00:34:09 ◼   ► is going to the place where the

00:34:11 ◼   ► emergency is and I'm probably right more

00:34:13 ◼   ► than I'm wrong because if they've got

00:34:14 ◼   ► the lights on and stuff they probably

00:34:16 ◼   ► haven't got the person yet because

00:34:17 ◼   ► normally when the person's in the

00:34:18 ◼   ► ambulance they're treating them they

00:34:20 ◼   ► don't drive so fast it's like less dire

00:34:23 ◼   ► because they're already treating the

00:34:24 ◼   ► person and although I'm going to say

00:34:26 ◼   ► that the distinction without a

00:34:27 ◼   ► difference though because you still need

00:34:28 ◼   ► to get the ambulance there yeah yeah

00:34:29 ◼   ► yeah yeah no it's just interesting that

00:34:32 ◼   ► you thought there was like a sick person

00:34:33 ◼   ► in there and in your sort of made-up

00:34:35 ◼   ► version in your head and mine was the

00:34:36 ◼   ► opposite I guess this was again one of

00:34:37 ◼   ► these things I never really thought

00:34:38 ◼   ► about but it does make sense that they

00:34:40 ◼   ► can be a little bit more relaxed on the

00:34:41 ◼   ► way back to the hospital as opposed to

00:34:43 ◼   ► the way out of the hospital well they

00:34:44 ◼   ► probably also don't want to go swinging

00:34:45 ◼   ► around barreling around corners and

00:34:47 ◼   ► stuff when there's like yeah well it's

00:34:48 ◼   ► like an old lady who's fallen down the

00:34:49 ◼   ► stairs that's right I was like we got to

00:34:53 ◼   ► go to the hospital as fast as possible I

00:34:55 ◼   ► Drive like a maniac over those speed

00:34:57 ◼   ► bumps is like now is probably not a good

00:34:58 ◼   ► idea I know a lot of ambulance drivers

00:34:59 ◼   ► listen to hello Internet

00:35:01 ◼   ► which doesn't surprise me because it's a

00:35:02 ◼   ► job I imagine with a lot of sitting

00:35:04 ◼   ► around downtime yeah almost certainly

00:35:06 ◼   ► there's a lot of downtime with that all

00:35:07 ◼   ► the ambulance drivers out there

00:35:08 ◼   ► listening to hello Internet

00:35:10 ◼   ► thank you for what you do thank you for

00:35:14 ◼   ► keeping all these people alive thank you

00:35:16 ◼   ► tweet gray if you need an ambulance

00:35:18 ◼   ► nope do not tweet gray if you're in an

00:35:20 ◼   ► ambulance

00:35:20 ◼   ► that is not what I want gray I've been

00:35:25 ◼   ► spending more and more time in London

00:35:27 ◼   ► lately for various work reasons and I

00:35:29 ◼   ► was there for a few days recently as you

00:35:31 ◼   ► know yes we saw each other but I had to

00:35:34 ◼   ► get a few Ebers and cabs around the

00:35:37 ◼   ► place and I'm really struggling with

00:35:39 ◼   ► black cabs versus ubers you did mention

00:35:44 ◼   ► last episode or a couple episodes ago

00:35:46 ◼   ► that you were falling out of love with

00:35:47 ◼   ► uber and I was I found this an

00:35:48 ◼   ► interesting little throwaway Brady

00:35:52 ◼   ► comment so I was kind of wondering

00:35:53 ◼   ► what's going on with that well this is

00:35:55 ◼   ► more of a London thing in this

00:35:57 ◼   ► particular context that I was talking

00:35:59 ◼   ► about America when I was talking about

00:36:00 ◼   ► that and I do mainly still use uber in

00:36:03 ◼   ► the States but in London I'm now not

00:36:05 ◼   ► sure which is the best way to go black

00:36:08 ◼   ► cab or uber because I'm having good and

00:36:10 ◼   ► bad experiences with each mm-hmm and the

00:36:14 ◼   ► main thing that it centers around the

00:36:17 ◼   ► main difference is black cab drivers

00:36:20 ◼   ► know where they're going and that is a

00:36:23 ◼   ► very important skill in London more so

00:36:26 ◼   ► than other cities all the little

00:36:28 ◼   ► shortcuts all the little what do they

00:36:29 ◼   ► call it the knowledge and things like

00:36:31 ◼   ► that those little things matter in

00:36:33 ◼   ► London more than almost any other city

00:36:35 ◼   ► you can drive in and most urban drivers

00:36:38 ◼   ► just sort of follow their sat-nav they

00:36:40 ◼   ► don't know where they're going

00:36:40 ◼   ► I swear they would drive into the Thames

00:36:42 ◼   ► if their phone told them to like they

00:36:44 ◼   ► just follow where they're supposed to go

00:36:46 ◼   ► and they go there and it results in some

00:36:48 ◼   ► really slow journeys and roundabout ways

00:36:51 ◼   ► of getting places whereas black cab

00:36:53 ◼   ► drivers like they'll see a little

00:36:54 ◼   ► traffic jam ahead and they know if they

00:36:56 ◼   ► go down that Lane and turn left and do a

00:36:57 ◼   ► right and cut through the park they'll

00:36:59 ◼   ► get somewhere twice as quick they know

00:37:01 ◼   ► the layer of London better and sometimes

00:37:03 ◼   ► that's very advantageous hmm I'd be

00:37:06 ◼   ► surprised if you could question that

00:37:08 ◼   ► that seems to be the case to me on the

00:37:11 ◼   ► other hand black cab drivers can be

00:37:15 ◼   ► absolute asses and if they decide they

00:37:20 ◼   ► do or don't want to go somewhere or do

00:37:21 ◼   ► something that's it they don't care

00:37:24 ◼   ► about customer service a new bird driver

00:37:26 ◼   ► will take you where you got to go

00:37:27 ◼   ► because they've got to get their money

00:37:28 ◼   ► and not get in trouble from uber mmm-hmm

00:37:29 ◼   ► a black cab driver might just look at a

00:37:31 ◼   ► traffic jam ahead and go I can't be

00:37:33 ◼   ► doing with that

00:37:34 ◼   ► just kick you out of the car have you

00:37:36 ◼   ► had that happen I have had that happen

00:37:37 ◼   ► I've been in cars what I've said all

00:37:38 ◼   ► this is going to take for ages I think

00:37:40 ◼   ► you just get out now the other day

00:37:42 ◼   ► though I was at Paddington I was staying

00:37:44 ◼   ► at Paddington next to Paddington train

00:37:45 ◼   ► station and I needed to get across to

00:37:48 ◼   ► another part of town the driver went a

00:37:50 ◼   ► certain way where he thought he would be

00:37:52 ◼   ► able to cut through a park it turns out

00:37:54 ◼   ► there were roadworks and he got diverted

00:37:55 ◼   ► and then he got caught in a jam and he

00:37:57 ◼   ► went down a lane and he took all these

00:37:59 ◼   ► twisty turns there was 15 pounds on the

00:38:02 ◼   ► fare the meter we turned a corner and we

00:38:05 ◼   ► were back at Paddington Station where

00:38:08 ◼   ► the trip started I said to him I'm

00:38:11 ◼   ► getting out now and getting the tube and

00:38:13 ◼   ► he said yeah that's probably a good idea

00:38:15 ◼   ► and soon took my money I mean look I

00:38:18 ◼   ► mean this this is the thing Brady you

00:38:19 ◼   ► said oh I can't deny that the knowledge

00:38:22 ◼   ► of all of these tiny little London

00:38:23 ◼   ► streets is valuable it's like yeah I

00:38:27 ◼   ► know what you mean by that

00:38:28 ◼   ► but that exact situation that you just

00:38:31 ◼   ► described is the thing that I think

00:38:33 ◼   ► people don't account for which is taxi

00:38:35 ◼   ► cab drivers they can't possibly know

00:38:36 ◼   ► what the situation is on all the little

00:38:38 ◼   ► side streets and if they're turning off

00:38:40 ◼   ► on some side story like they can't know

00:38:42 ◼   ► what construction is occurring or what

00:38:44 ◼   ► roads are shut down like that's not

00:38:45 ◼   ► going to happen when I'm in an uber

00:38:47 ◼   ► there's a little thing that I learned

00:38:48 ◼   ► about the driving directions on uber

00:38:52 ◼   ► from one of the drivers which I found

00:38:53 ◼   ► really interesting so if I get in an

00:38:55 ◼   ► uber and I see that the driver is not

00:38:58 ◼   ► using their sat-nav which enough of them

00:39:02 ◼   ► do and this seems to be actually a

00:39:05 ◼   ► former taxi cab driver kind of thing

00:39:07 ◼   ► like a guy who used to drive for

00:39:09 ◼   ► something else is gone for uber that

00:39:12 ◼   ► always makes me nervous right because

00:39:13 ◼   ► it's like here's a guy who's just going

00:39:15 ◼   ► to try to drive across the city using

00:39:17 ◼   ► what's ever in his head and I never I

00:39:18 ◼   ► never want them to do that but when they

00:39:20 ◼   ► are allowed to do is somewhere within

00:39:22 ◼   ► the app they have a setting where they

00:39:24 ◼   ► can tell ober which of the various

00:39:27 ◼   ► mapping services they want Ober to use

00:39:31 ◼   ► to get them from point A to point B so

00:39:33 ◼   ► they can say like oh I want to use Apple

00:39:35 ◼   ► Maps or I want to use Google Maps or I

00:39:37 ◼   ► want to use Waze I wish in uber I had a

00:39:41 ◼   ► setting where I could just say listen to

00:39:44 ◼   ► BER driver when you pick me up I know

00:39:46 ◼   ► you might think you know a better way

00:39:48 ◼   ► but could you just use Google Maps just

00:39:50 ◼   ► use Google Maps they do the live traffic

00:39:53 ◼   ► stuff they check every few minutes to

00:39:55 ◼   ► see if there's a faster way they're

00:39:57 ◼   ► crowdsourcing all the data on the road

00:39:59 ◼   ► so they know exactly how all the roads

00:40:00 ◼   ► are doing right at this very moment just

00:40:02 ◼   ► use that like I don't want you to use

00:40:04 ◼   ► your human judgement about what you

00:40:06 ◼   ► think should happen I want you to use

00:40:08 ◼   ► the collective knowledge and

00:40:09 ◼   ► automatically updated information that's

00:40:12 ◼   ► something like Google Maps has don't use

00:40:15 ◼   ► Apple maps because they don't do that

00:40:16 ◼   ► same thing it's just going to drive you

00:40:17 ◼   ► down the same busy streets all the time

00:40:19 ◼   ► I wish like I could force the driver to

00:40:22 ◼   ► use Google Maps from my end as opposed

00:40:25 ◼   ► to either trying to use his own brain or

00:40:26 ◼   ► trying to use a worse mapping service I

00:40:29 ◼   ► mean I can't comment on Google Maps

00:40:31 ◼   ► versus Apple maps and I know like you

00:40:33 ◼   ► know I know about controversies and

00:40:35 ◼   ► opinions and I'll take your word for

00:40:36 ◼   ► that Google Maps is loads better that

00:40:38 ◼   ► would make sense to me and I also don't

00:40:40 ◼   ► know what devices some of the drivers

00:40:43 ◼   ► I've experienced were using maybe none

00:40:46 ◼   ► of them were using Google Maps but I do

00:40:48 ◼   ► think London can be bit of an exception

00:40:51 ◼   ► and I do think sometimes a little bit of

00:40:53 ◼   ► common sense like just a human looking

00:40:57 ◼   ► out the window can override what even

00:41:00 ◼   ► the best app is telling them to do

00:41:02 ◼   ► because I've been times where I've going

00:41:04 ◼   ► somewhere and the place we're heading is

00:41:05 ◼   ► in front of us and I can see it in the

00:41:08 ◼   ► clear roads in front of us and suddenly

00:41:10 ◼   ► they'll veer off down some side street

00:41:12 ◼   ► because an app told them to and I'm like

00:41:13 ◼   ► what are you doing like we were nearly

00:41:16 ◼   ► there and you know the apps are getting

00:41:17 ◼   ► better and better but sometimes a human

00:41:19 ◼   ► does kind of know stuff that maybe the

00:41:22 ◼   ► app doesn't know or can't see or hasn't

00:41:24 ◼   ► updated yet but I respect what you're

00:41:26 ◼   ► saying and I see both sides of this and

00:41:29 ◼   ► I do get a bit frustrated by uber

00:41:30 ◼   ► drivers in London I think they make

00:41:32 ◼   ► silly silly decisions I think they're

00:41:35 ◼   ► like you know do whatever the computer

00:41:36 ◼   ► says and I don't always think that's the

00:41:38 ◼   ► best yeah that's exactly what I want

00:41:39 ◼   ► do whatever the computer says okay so

00:41:43 ◼   ► speaking of London I would like to

00:41:46 ◼   ► register on this podcast a formal

00:41:48 ◼   ► complaint with the city government of

00:41:51 ◼   ► London is you never talk about rubbish

00:41:53 ◼   ► again I we've learned our lesson brady

00:41:55 ◼   ► there's some topics that we should

00:41:57 ◼   ► probably avoid on this podcast the news

00:41:59 ◼   ► rubbish collection

00:42:01 ◼   ► these are things that are just they're

00:42:03 ◼   ► too intense to be discussed about let's

00:42:06 ◼   ► just stick to politics in religion no

00:42:07 ◼   ► cock bitch of nerds uh but I was in

00:42:11 ◼   ► central London the other day and in

00:42:13 ◼   ► particular I was at a place where just

00:42:15 ◼   ► for the circumstances of life I haven't

00:42:16 ◼   ► been in probably years which is

00:42:20 ◼   ► Trafalgar Square yeah I suddenly realize

00:42:23 ◼   ► like oh I used to be in this area all

00:42:24 ◼   ► the time and for whatever reason like

00:42:26 ◼   ► some of the patterns my life changed I

00:42:28 ◼   ► just hadn't been there for forever and I

00:42:29 ◼   ► was I was walking around if you ask

00:42:31 ◼   ► people to name places in London

00:42:33 ◼   ► Trafalgar Square has got to be in the

00:42:35 ◼   ► top three of like places they can name

00:42:36 ◼   ► you know for tourist stuff and boy was I

00:42:40 ◼   ► disappointed with the way that your

00:42:43 ◼   ► fungus Square is set up now hmm because

00:42:45 ◼   ► here's the thing Trafalgar Square now

00:42:49 ◼   ► has little signs everywhere that are all

00:42:53 ◼   ► about safety they're all about telling

00:42:56 ◼   ► you what you can't do so if you ever see

00:43:00 ◼   ► footage of Trafalgar Square

00:43:01 ◼   ► like olden days footage of Trafalgar

00:43:03 ◼   ► Square there were probably three things

00:43:06 ◼   ► that you're going to identify as the fun

00:43:09 ◼   ► things in Trafalgar Square why it would

00:43:11 ◼   ► be a tourist attraction

00:43:13 ◼   ► rahhh number one enormous flocks of

00:43:16 ◼   ► pigeons everywhere yeah now years ago

00:43:19 ◼   ► they got rid of the pigeons which I can

00:43:23 ◼   ► sort of be okay with like I can kind of

00:43:25 ◼   ► understand wanting to get rid of the

00:43:27 ◼   ► pigeons but there's no pigeons there

00:43:29 ◼   ► anymore the other two things the things

00:43:32 ◼   ► that remained into fogger Square were

00:43:35 ◼   ► people playing in the fountains and

00:43:36 ◼   ► people climbing on the lions yeah okay

00:43:40 ◼   ► but now in Trafalgar Square

00:43:42 ◼   ► there are signs everywhere everywhere

00:43:45 ◼   ► telling you you're not allowed in the

00:43:48 ◼   ► fountains and you're not allowed on the

00:43:50 ◼   ► Lions you're not allowed on the lawns

00:43:51 ◼   ► anymore yeah there's a big sign that

00:43:54 ◼   ► says don't sit on the lion right in each

00:43:57 ◼   ► fountain there are four signs telling

00:44:01 ◼   ► you you're not allowed in the fountains

00:44:03 ◼   ► and there's a security guy who was

00:44:07 ◼   ► admittedly half-heartedly but

00:44:09 ◼   ► nonetheless still doing it telling

00:44:11 ◼   ► people to get off the Lions at Trafalgar

00:44:13 ◼   ► Square is that the same person who has

00:44:15 ◼   ► the job of

00:44:15 ◼   ► telling you to be quiet and not take

00:44:17 ◼   ► photos in the Sistine Chapel maybe like

00:44:21 ◼   ► I honestly kind of felt bad for the guy

00:44:23 ◼   ► he did seem to be real half-hearted

00:44:25 ◼   ► about it but here's the thing so it's

00:44:26 ◼   ► like okay I'm standing into fog square I

00:44:28 ◼   ► was just like this place is now kind of

00:44:31 ◼   ► awful because all of the things that

00:44:34 ◼   ► were interesting you're not supposed to

00:44:36 ◼   ► do anymore

00:44:36 ◼   ► it's like okay you got rid of the

00:44:38 ◼   ► pigeons whatever but if you also get rid

00:44:41 ◼   ► of the other two things then there's

00:44:42 ◼   ► just nothing here right then what it is

00:44:45 ◼   ► is it's actually just this like barren

00:44:48 ◼   ► area of concrete for the most part that

00:44:51 ◼   ► has no real interest like I was standing

00:44:53 ◼   ► there looking at like why would any

00:44:55 ◼   ► tourists actually come to see Trafalgar

00:44:57 ◼   ► Square at this point it's just mostly

00:44:59 ◼   ► concrete yeah I guess you got to cut

00:45:01 ◼   ► through it to get to the nice art

00:45:02 ◼   ► galleries but that's about it really

00:45:04 ◼   ► that's exactly it and the other thing is

00:45:06 ◼   ► like okay so all of these things you

00:45:07 ◼   ► can't do but what you can do is be a

00:45:11 ◼   ► really low effort cheap busker right in

00:45:16 ◼   ► front of the art galleries yeah right

00:45:18 ◼   ► yeah I'm staying there in Trafalgar

00:45:20 ◼   ► Square and no joke

00:45:23 ◼   ► I'm counting there are one two three of

00:45:27 ◼   ► those floating Yoda guys sitting in

00:45:30 ◼   ► front of the art gallery yeah right

00:45:32 ◼   ► everywhere those things yeah but there

00:45:35 ◼   ► are three of them within eyesight of

00:45:38 ◼   ► each other

00:45:38 ◼   ► floating yarda guys yeah you know what

00:45:41 ◼   ► I'm talking about I know exactly what I

00:45:42 ◼   ► mean the guy they're all doing that

00:45:44 ◼   ► stupid cheap trick where like for a

00:45:46 ◼   ► split second it looks like they're

00:45:47 ◼   ► floating until you realize oh right

00:45:49 ◼   ► they're floating above a platform and

00:45:51 ◼   ► they have a staff that goes down to the

00:45:52 ◼   ► platform and the staff is just holding

00:45:53 ◼   ► them up right with a ring around their

00:45:55 ◼   ► back it's like yeah it takes a child two

00:45:57 ◼   ► seconds it's like why do people give

00:45:58 ◼   ► these guys money right I don't

00:46:00 ◼   ► understand why three of them are allowed

00:46:03 ◼   ► it's like the thing that drives me crazy

00:46:05 ◼   ► about is like mr. falker Square there's

00:46:07 ◼   ► nothing to goddamn do here now there's

00:46:10 ◼   ► the National Art Gallery like just a big

00:46:13 ◼   ► incredibly impressive art gallery yep

00:46:17 ◼   ► and right in front of it it's just like

00:46:19 ◼   ► you've planted an enormous turd of like

00:46:21 ◼   ► here's just three cheapo buskers who are

00:46:25 ◼   ► standing here yeah there's also another

00:46:26 ◼   ► busker which was I'm sure

00:46:28 ◼   ► properly licensed minion from that

00:46:31 ◼   ► stupid movie just standing around like

00:46:34 ◼   ► the thing that bothered me more as well

00:46:36 ◼   ► is like okay so they have these stupid

00:46:37 ◼   ► Buster guys there's also the people who

00:46:39 ◼   ► are then just like drawing on the

00:46:41 ◼   ► sidewalk as well alright people who are

00:46:43 ◼   ► like doing artwork on the sidewalk and

00:46:45 ◼   ► one of them I looked down and I was like

00:46:47 ◼   ► okay oasiz mildly interesting this guy

00:46:49 ◼   ► is doing all of the flags of the world

00:46:51 ◼   ► right in front of the Yoda

00:46:54 ◼   ► so it's like left hand side of Trafalgar

00:46:56 ◼   ► Square there's a Yoda and in front of

00:46:57 ◼   ► him is this guy drawing all these flags

00:46:59 ◼   ► it's like okay least this guy's putting

00:47:01 ◼   ► some effort into what he's doing a bunch

00:47:02 ◼   ► of flags it's kind of like an

00:47:03 ◼   ► interesting thing to do it's interesting

00:47:04 ◼   ► to look at that's fine I walked to the

00:47:07 ◼   ► other end of the square past one Yoda

00:47:09 ◼   ► and then when I get to the final Yoda

00:47:10 ◼   ► who is on the opposite side guess what's

00:47:12 ◼   ► in front of him a guy doing flags the

00:47:14 ◼   ► exact same goddamn thing like the same

00:47:17 ◼   ► flags in the same order and it's like

00:47:18 ◼   ► you're not even like a whole bunch of

00:47:19 ◼   ► individual buskers doing your own thing

00:47:21 ◼   ► like this is that you're now like these

00:47:22 ◼   ► charity harassers that always come in

00:47:24 ◼   ► pairs right because they know they're

00:47:26 ◼   ► gonna get you depending on which side of

00:47:27 ◼   ► the street you're coming from yeah so

00:47:29 ◼   ► all of these things together turn to

00:47:30 ◼   ► fogger Square to me into just like this

00:47:32 ◼   ► boring depressing ugly cheap feeling

00:47:37 ◼   ► area filled with signs telling you what

00:47:40 ◼   ► not to do and also just filled with the

00:47:43 ◼   ► junk iasts minimal effort begging for

00:47:46 ◼   ► money entertainment in front of a

00:47:48 ◼   ► world-class art gallery there could

00:47:51 ◼   ► possibly be I just sent you an iMessage

00:47:53 ◼   ► a couple of the photos that I took the

00:47:55 ◼   ► do not climb on the line sign is very

00:47:57 ◼   ► bespoke that is the Trafalgar Square

00:47:59 ◼   ► lion right like they want to make it

00:48:01 ◼   ► really clear that you're not supposed to

00:48:02 ◼   ► climb on that lion they should make

00:48:04 ◼   ► those signs and put them around safari

00:48:05 ◼   ► parks in Africa too

00:48:06 ◼   ► yes there it would be genuinely more

00:48:08 ◼   ► advisable not to climb on the lion that

00:48:10 ◼   ► would be a really bad idea

00:48:11 ◼   ► but it bothers me as well because if you

00:48:14 ◼   ► look at these pictures I'll put them in

00:48:16 ◼   ► the show notes the signs are not just

00:48:18 ◼   ► signs they're like big placards they're

00:48:20 ◼   ► like everywhere there's so many of them

00:48:22 ◼   ► and they're very like brutal in their

00:48:24 ◼   ► design yeah they're very brutal in their

00:48:26 ◼   ► design in addition to every sign telling

00:48:29 ◼   ► you not to do something so don't feed

00:48:31 ◼   ► the pigeons which is a sign that's like

00:48:33 ◼   ► the size of a small child just dispersed

00:48:35 ◼   ► all over this concrete expanse on the

00:48:38 ◼   ► back of every one of them there's a

00:48:40 ◼   ► gigantic CCTV in operation

00:48:42 ◼   ► with a camera that's like looking down

00:48:44 ◼   ► upon you on the crowd it's like they're

00:48:46 ◼   ► trying to make this place the most

00:48:47 ◼   ► unfriendly estate in the whole of the

00:48:50 ◼   ► city it's like wherever you look it

00:48:51 ◼   ► don't feed the pigeons don't get on the

00:48:53 ◼   ► Lions don't get in the fountains and by

00:48:55 ◼   ► the way we're watching you with cameras

00:48:56 ◼   ► all the time if you were put in charge

00:48:57 ◼   ► of Trafalgar Square for 24 hours and you

00:49:00 ◼   ► could do what you want and change what

00:49:01 ◼   ► you wanted what would you do to improve

00:49:03 ◼   ► the place I'd bring back everything now

00:49:04 ◼   ► he'd started a pigeon breeding program I

00:49:07 ◼   ► swear to God I would write I loved the

00:49:09 ◼   ► pigeons when I was that that was the my

00:49:11 ◼   ► favorite thing when I was a terrorist

00:49:12 ◼   ► yes taking pictures of like my

00:49:14 ◼   ► girlfriend getting attacked by pigeons

00:49:15 ◼   ► yeah everybody did that like I remember

00:49:17 ◼   ► it it was really fun when I first came

00:49:19 ◼   ► to the city and the pigeons were here

00:49:20 ◼   ► are you walking through Trafalgar Square

00:49:22 ◼   ► and he always felt like a little bit

00:49:23 ◼   ► like you're taking your life into your

00:49:24 ◼   ► own hands why for these huge swarms of

00:49:26 ◼   ► pigeons going all over the place but it

00:49:27 ◼   ► was great it was a notable memorable

00:49:32 ◼   ► like fun thing for tourists to do is

00:49:34 ◼   ► like oh yeah you go to Trafalgar Square

00:49:35 ◼   ► and there is a swarm of pigeons like

00:49:38 ◼   ► you're gonna see nowhere else in the

00:49:39 ◼   ► world again I was okay with getting rid

00:49:42 ◼   ► of the pigeons but that was like under

00:49:44 ◼   ► the implied assumption that like oh

00:49:46 ◼   ► people could still play in the fountains

00:49:47 ◼   ► and climb on the lions right but if you

00:49:49 ◼   ► take away everything now I feel like the

00:49:51 ◼   ► hell with its health and safety gone mad

00:49:53 ◼   ► I tell you it makes me angry like and it

00:49:55 ◼   ► makes me want to call for people to just

00:49:57 ◼   ► be like this like climb the Lions right

00:50:00 ◼   ► like when you go to Trafalgar Square

00:50:01 ◼   ► like get on the goddamn lion right grey

00:50:04 ◼   ► I want you to go there this week and

00:50:05 ◼   ► take a picture of yourself up on the

00:50:07 ◼   ► line put it in the show notes like Brady

00:50:09 ◼   ► here's the thing I did go on the line

00:50:12 ◼   ► you climbed up on the line yeah I did I

00:50:14 ◼   ► only have a picture from the back but

00:50:16 ◼   ► it's like look I got up on the thing and

00:50:18 ◼   ► I took a picture from the back of the

00:50:20 ◼   ► lion and I'm like the hell with this

00:50:21 ◼   ► like screw you with your signs

00:50:23 ◼   ► I waited for the little guard guy to

00:50:25 ◼   ► walk away but like I'm still gonna go on

00:50:27 ◼   ► this thing you're giving oh I I'm like

00:50:29 ◼   ► stop this I'm doing it look at guys oh

00:50:32 ◼   ► nice break I'm no fool I like I want to

00:50:34 ◼   ► call for people to climb the Lions I

00:50:36 ◼   ► want to call for people to go to the

00:50:37 ◼   ► pools and you know what it makes you

00:50:39 ◼   ► want to do it makes me want to buy bread

00:50:40 ◼   ► and spread it all over the whole center

00:50:42 ◼   ► of the place bring the pigeons back it

00:50:44 ◼   ► really does like all of these signs is

00:50:45 ◼   ► too far it's unreasonable it makes me

00:50:48 ◼   ► angry and it makes me feel like engaging

00:50:50 ◼   ► in civil disobedience and calling upon

00:50:52 ◼   ► the whole of the audience to engage in

00:50:54 ◼   ► civil disobedience at Trafalgar Square

00:50:55 ◼   ► all right

00:50:56 ◼   ► you disagree Brady do you think it's

00:50:58 ◼   ► reasonable to say you can't climb on the

00:50:59 ◼   ► Lions I think you should be allowed to

00:51:01 ◼   ► climb on the Lions I can't believe

00:51:03 ◼   ► you're not allowed to I think you should

00:51:04 ◼   ► be allowed to go in the fountain I don't

00:51:06 ◼   ► know if like you should whip up a frenzy

00:51:09 ◼   ► of civil disobedience and I think maybe

00:51:12 ◼   ► we should like campaign for the laws to

00:51:14 ◼   ► change or the bylaws or the rules or the

00:51:16 ◼   ► regulation or the whatever they've done

00:51:19 ◼   ► well that sounds like a lot less fun and

00:51:21 ◼   ► a lot more work yeah would you be

00:51:23 ◼   ► willing to retweet people who take

00:51:24 ◼   ► photos of themselves on the line if it's

00:51:26 ◼   ► date stamped after the date of this

00:51:28 ◼   ► podcast I'm not signing up to retweet

00:51:31 ◼   ► everybody in the universe here Brady but

00:51:32 ◼   ► I buy the first 10 the first 10 people

00:51:34 ◼   ► who do it if I see some interesting acts

00:51:36 ◼   ► of Trafalgar Square civil disobedience I

00:51:40 ◼   ► will be sure to promote them you know I

00:51:41 ◼   ► want to say the Tim's Day I want to see

00:51:43 ◼   ► them get a picture of someone sitting on

00:51:46 ◼   ► a line on the Wikipedia page for

00:51:48 ◼   ► Trafalgar Square luck that page down Oh

00:51:54 ◼   ► Brady I wish you wouldn't call for these

00:51:56 ◼   ► constant messing around with the

00:51:58 ◼   ► Wikipedia by the way the black stamp is

00:52:00 ◼   ► on the page last I checked oh yeah oh

00:52:02 ◼   ► yeah yeah sanity has prevailed

00:52:04 ◼   ► what is the listed source for my tea

00:52:06 ◼   ► black stamp is the podcast there's this

00:52:07 ◼   ► page this Emporia State which does stuff

00:52:10 ◼   ► to do with skyscrapers and buildings and

00:52:12 ◼   ► stuff and it was referred to on that so

00:52:14 ◼   ► that's what they're using I'm very happy

00:52:16 ◼   ► for you Brady thank you does the mighty

00:52:18 ◼   ► black stump it would be gone by the end

00:52:19 ◼   ► of this segment

00:52:22 ◼   ► we can trust the audience right though

00:52:24 ◼   ► they will protect the mighty black stump

00:52:26 ◼   ► on that page they don't no not mighty

00:52:28 ◼   ► just blacks yeah the mighty black stump

00:52:30 ◼   ► that's why I said they'll protect that

00:52:31 ◼   ► on the page

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00:54:49 ◼   ► Wikipedia has the right to use that

00:54:52 ◼   ► image whether or not it is in the public

00:54:55 ◼   ► domain because on our show where we

00:54:59 ◼   ► talked about the flag a long time ago I

00:55:01 ◼   ► made some comments that sounded vaguely

00:55:03 ◼   ► like the public domain but I didn't

00:55:06 ◼   ► actually say the words the public domain

00:55:08 ◼   ► I said something like the nail and gear

00:55:10 ◼   ► flag belongs to the people but so I just

00:55:14 ◼   ► want to get it on record here for

00:55:16 ◼   ► Wikipedia editors and Tim's everywhere

00:55:21 ◼   ► citizens of the podcast

00:55:23 ◼   ► that the hello Internet flag the

00:55:26 ◼   ► official flag is in the public domain

00:55:29 ◼   ► that's the Nile and giya that is the

00:55:31 ◼   ► nail in gear yeah there's no other flag

00:55:33 ◼   ► there's no other contingent that could

00:55:35 ◼   ► possibly happen here just to be clear

00:55:36 ◼   ► but not the HEI logo you're saying

00:55:38 ◼   ► here's actually where I want to go with

00:55:40 ◼   ► this right it's like yeah we'll get to

00:55:41 ◼   ► this in a second okay the nail and gear

00:55:44 ◼   ► is in the public domain you can make

00:55:46 ◼   ► your own Flags you can do whatever you

00:55:49 ◼   ► want with this because I feel like just

00:55:51 ◼   ► like national flags I think most

00:55:54 ◼   ► national flags if not all national flags

00:55:56 ◼   ► are in the public domain like the

00:55:58 ◼   ► citizens can do what they want with them

00:56:00 ◼   ► I know for sure that the United States

00:56:01 ◼   ► flag is in that case like that's

00:56:03 ◼   ► absolutely great I want to put it here

00:56:05 ◼   ► on the record it was born of the people

00:56:07 ◼   ► for the people who are we to even be

00:56:09 ◼   ► giving our permission

00:56:10 ◼   ► that's exactly my feeling of this right

00:56:12 ◼   ► is it's like this is of the community

00:56:15 ◼   ► for the community and so it would feel

00:56:18 ◼   ► really wrong for us to say like oh thank

00:56:22 ◼   ► you community for gifting us with this

00:56:24 ◼   ► flag we will now have copyright over it

00:56:27 ◼   ► for the life of the creators Plus 70

00:56:29 ◼   ► years right like it would just seem

00:56:31 ◼   ► wrong but if you want to make a video of

00:56:33 ◼   ► yourself reacting to the flag that's a

00:56:35 ◼   ► whole other thing and you got to take

00:56:36 ◼   ► that up with the farm brothers here's

00:56:38 ◼   ► the thing Brady I want to get that on

00:56:40 ◼   ► record for the Wikipedia I'm almost

00:56:42 ◼   ► hesitant to do it because I feel like I

00:56:44 ◼   ► have been I've been coming up against

00:56:49 ◼   ► very recently another another kind of

00:56:52 ◼   ► tale in the world of freebooting and

00:56:57 ◼   ► using other people's intellectual

00:56:58 ◼   ► property that I don't quite know how to

00:57:00 ◼   ► deal with yeah and one of those things

00:57:03 ◼   ► is actually related to exactly what you

00:57:05 ◼   ► brought up before which is I've seen

00:57:08 ◼   ► people making free booted bootleg hello

00:57:13 ◼   ► internet merchandise under this exact

00:57:17 ◼   ► premise of oh the nail in gear is in the

00:57:22 ◼   ► public domain so everything they do on

00:57:26 ◼   ► the podcast

00:57:27 ◼   ► they must be cool with people just

00:57:29 ◼   ► making whatever they want from it taking

00:57:32 ◼   ► the logo and using it on other stuff

00:57:33 ◼   ► taking things that we've said and use

00:57:36 ◼   ► on merchandise or in posters or in all

00:57:38 ◼   ► kinds of things I feel like it's very

00:57:40 ◼   ► hard to make it clear that it's like

00:57:44 ◼   ► this one thing is in the public domain

00:57:47 ◼   ► but that doesn't mean the whole of the

00:57:49 ◼   ► podcast is just like free for people to

00:57:53 ◼   ► use for commercial purposes and the

00:57:56 ◼   ► thing that is on top of this which I

00:57:58 ◼   ► want to know if you have gotten any

00:57:59 ◼   ► emails like this Brady because I feel

00:58:01 ◼   ► like I have gotten a whole bunch of

00:58:03 ◼   ► these in the past month which is an

00:58:06 ◼   ► email along these lines someone takes

00:58:08 ◼   ► something either from my videos or from

00:58:11 ◼   ► the podcasts they're freebooting it in

00:58:13 ◼   ► some manner or they're making

00:58:15 ◼   ► merchandise and selling it in some

00:58:16 ◼   ► manner and I get an email that says this

00:58:19 ◼   ► oh hey CGP grey I have made some

00:58:24 ◼   ► merchandise with your intellectual

00:58:26 ◼   ► property or I have re-uploaded your

00:58:28 ◼   ► videos to some other site or I have

00:58:30 ◼   ► redubbed your videos with my own voice

00:58:33 ◼   ► if you're not ok with this please just

00:58:39 ◼   ► let me know and I'll take it down a

00:58:41 ◼   ► hyper do you get these do you get these

00:58:44 ◼   ► yes yes okay I mean I get more along the

00:58:48 ◼   ► lines of saying you know can i reavoice

00:58:51 ◼   ► all your videos with my Italian voice

00:58:53 ◼   ► and reload them to YouTube mm-hmm which

00:58:55 ◼   ► like they think that would just be fine

00:58:57 ◼   ► which it isn't but yeah you must engage

00:58:59 ◼   ► with me and have a conversation with me

00:59:01 ◼   ► if you want to stop me infringing upon

00:59:03 ◼   ► you yes terrible it's interesting as I

00:59:06 ◼   ► haven't seen this before but just in the

00:59:08 ◼   ► past couple months like I have suddenly

00:59:09 ◼   ► gotten a whole bunch of these this feels

00:59:12 ◼   ► to me like the new copyright not

00:59:13 ◼   ► intended where people are like Oh

00:59:17 ◼   ► permission implied right unless you tell

00:59:20 ◼   ► me otherwise and if you think you're

00:59:22 ◼   ► going to get a response from grey god

00:59:24 ◼   ► join the queue I know it's like you're

00:59:28 ◼   ► putting the burden on the person from

00:59:31 ◼   ► whom you are infringing on in the first

00:59:34 ◼   ► place it feels like it's a double insult

00:59:36 ◼   ► and it almost feels like it's a triple

00:59:38 ◼   ► insult because it's like this facade of

00:59:41 ◼   ► politeness like oh hey I just want to

00:59:44 ◼   ► let you know I'm using your words and

00:59:46 ◼   ► your artwork to make some money for

00:59:48 ◼   ► myself but if

00:59:49 ◼   ► that's not cool with you guys just let

00:59:52 ◼   ► me know and I'll be sure to take it down

00:59:53 ◼   ► immediately yeah it feels like some

00:59:55 ◼   ► people out there feel like they've

00:59:56 ◼   ► figured out some kind of legal loophole

00:59:58 ◼   ► right with just like oh he doesn't

00:59:58 ◼   ► right with just like oh he doesn't

01:00:00 ◼   ► and if he doesn't get back to me then

01:00:02 ◼   ► it's all aboveboard because he had a

01:00:04 ◼   ► possibility to get back to me so I agree

01:00:06 ◼   ► there too you think one is there's that

01:00:08 ◼   ► legal loophole thing and the other thing

01:00:09 ◼   ► is if it's a bit more Fanny it was like

01:00:11 ◼   ► an attempt to at least you know have a

01:00:13 ◼   ► conversation with you but yeah it drives

01:00:15 ◼   ► me crazy I completely 100% agree with

01:00:17 ◼   ► you and it can work the other way too

01:00:19 ◼   ► this sort of hoping that silence will

01:00:21 ◼   ► mean you get away with something I got

01:00:23 ◼   ► really badly free booted by mail online

01:00:26 ◼   ► again recently surprise surprise and

01:00:29 ◼   ► I've been like I sent them a bunch of

01:00:30 ◼   ► emails like I always kick up a fuss with

01:00:33 ◼   ► them and and they always end up having

01:00:34 ◼   ► to concede and you know either make a

01:00:37 ◼   ► payment or to do some sort of action but

01:00:39 ◼   ► what they do now is they just don't

01:00:40 ◼   ► reply to your emails and then eventually

01:00:42 ◼   ► you send so many they replied say I care

01:00:44 ◼   ► yep I'll get back to this on that

01:00:45 ◼   ► shortly and then they'll just ignore you

01:00:47 ◼   ► again for like weeks and weeks those

01:00:49 ◼   ► every few weeks I have to just keep

01:00:50 ◼   ► emailing them and they just it's hoping

01:00:52 ◼   ► that something will just like slide by

01:00:54 ◼   ► mm-hmm because there's so much stuff now

01:00:57 ◼   ► and it works so well I'm sure so much of

01:00:59 ◼   ► your stuff is getting stolen and

01:01:01 ◼   ► exploited in that that you almost can't

01:01:03 ◼   ► monitor at all so they're just hoping

01:01:05 ◼   ► stuff will slip through the cracks and

01:01:06 ◼   ► they'll have this little on the record

01:01:09 ◼   ► paper trail as well though I did try to

01:01:10 ◼   ► speak to him at least that's the thing

01:01:12 ◼   ► that frustrates me and I feel like I

01:01:15 ◼   ► want to bring it up because there's two

01:01:17 ◼   ► things I think are happening here it's

01:01:18 ◼   ► like that are a little bit related and

01:01:20 ◼   ► it's the the flag belongs to the people

01:01:23 ◼   ► for hello Internet then somehow gets

01:01:25 ◼   ► expanded to everything is a-ok and then

01:01:29 ◼   ► I think the other thing that you and I

01:01:31 ◼   ► are probably both victim to is this oh

01:01:34 ◼   ► you're making things in the field of

01:01:36 ◼   ► education so we're all in the business

01:01:39 ◼   ► of spreading around knowledge right like

01:01:42 ◼   ► you wouldn't be against spreading around

01:01:43 ◼   ► knowledge so you don't mind if I take

01:01:46 ◼   ► all of your videos and redub them and

01:01:48 ◼   ► just spread the word like I'm doing you

01:01:50 ◼   ► a favor like I'm promoting your stuff

01:01:51 ◼   ► and you just let me know if for some

01:01:54 ◼   ► personal reason that's not okay with you

01:01:57 ◼   ► but otherwise I'll keep doing this thing

01:01:58 ◼   ► that benefits me that has this like

01:02:01 ◼   ► skirt of decency like open I'm just

01:02:04 ◼   ► doing it for education that's the thing

01:02:05 ◼   ► that bothers me it's like it feels like

01:02:06 ◼   ► like an assumption like an expanse of

01:02:10 ◼   ► permission or like a disregard of

01:02:13 ◼   ► Gouri so this also this leaking of

01:02:16 ◼   ► implied consent mm-hmm also like makes

01:02:20 ◼   ► me more wary than I should be because

01:02:24 ◼   ► like for example if someone emails me

01:02:25 ◼   ► and says are you know I'm doing a

01:02:28 ◼   ► presentation to my school class this

01:02:32 ◼   ► week and I want to show your video as

01:02:34 ◼   ► part of it just like you know on the

01:02:36 ◼   ► screen before I do my talk mm-hmm like

01:02:38 ◼   ► you know who's going to object to that

01:02:41 ◼   ► you know I wouldn't object to that you

01:02:43 ◼   ► wouldn't object to that that's just a

01:02:44 ◼   ► thing but I won't send them an email

01:02:45 ◼   ► back saying yeah that's fine

01:02:47 ◼   ► because then they've got an email from

01:02:49 ◼   ► me saying they have permission to use my

01:02:52 ◼   ► video and then they go oh I'm gonna

01:02:54 ◼   ► upload it to YouTube as well mm-hmm and

01:02:56 ◼   ► then suddenly they can point to this

01:02:58 ◼   ► like email I've sent where I've said you

01:02:59 ◼   ► can use the video so unless I have to

01:03:01 ◼   ► write this trakone Ian's email to some

01:03:03 ◼   ► school kids saying you can use it once

01:03:05 ◼   ► and only once and you cannot upload it

01:03:07 ◼   ► anywhere and like have to put all these

01:03:09 ◼   ► like Trafalgar Square style regulations

01:03:11 ◼   ► on my email right I can't just say to

01:03:14 ◼   ► like a school kid yeah okay because like

01:03:16 ◼   ► then it's like you've said yes and what

01:03:19 ◼   ► else does that mean maybe this is the

01:03:21 ◼   ► problem that's happened with nailing

01:03:22 ◼   ► gear as well you know you gave an inch

01:03:24 ◼   ► and they take a mile I have been in that

01:03:26 ◼   ► exact situation actually which is

01:03:28 ◼   ► earlier in my career when people are

01:03:31 ◼   ► making totally reasonable requests like

01:03:32 ◼   ► that like oh hey I want to use one of

01:03:34 ◼   ► your videos in a not commercial way

01:03:37 ◼   ► privately like within my school yeah and

01:03:39 ◼   ► repel like yeah it's totally fine like

01:03:41 ◼   ► who would say no to that

01:03:42 ◼   ► right who would say no to that and then

01:03:45 ◼   ► I later found my videos being used in

01:03:48 ◼   ► educational software being sold on a

01:03:51 ◼   ► commercial level to schools

01:03:53 ◼   ► yeah and they point back to like oh you

01:03:55 ◼   ► said it was okay to use your videos in

01:03:56 ◼   ► schools like oh great like I have had

01:03:59 ◼   ► that exact thing happen to me where it's

01:04:00 ◼   ► like oh no you you gave consent you said

01:04:03 ◼   ► it was okay here and now we have to have

01:04:04 ◼   ► some argument over my exact wording

01:04:07 ◼   ► click in an email that I thought was for

01:04:10 ◼   ► one thing and was not for another thing

01:04:11 ◼   ► yeah it is this like unfortunate

01:04:13 ◼   ► situation where it feels like it's kind

01:04:16 ◼   ► of ruined for everyone yeah because then

01:04:18 ◼   ► I'm in a position where I can't say yes

01:04:21 ◼   ► to reasonable things because I've had

01:04:23 ◼   ► that held against me in the past

01:04:25 ◼   ► yeah they just makes it feel bad all

01:04:27 ◼   ► around and I just really don't like

01:04:30 ◼   ► these people who think they're getting

01:04:32 ◼   ► around the system by writing you a

01:04:34 ◼   ► letter to let you know that you're okay

01:04:36 ◼   ► with a thing unless you say no it makes

01:04:39 ◼   ► me very mad it makes me very sad it

01:04:41 ◼   ► makes me frustrated Brady I don't like

01:04:43 ◼   ► it one bit the thing that put me over

01:04:45 ◼   ► the edge for this was just this week I

01:04:47 ◼   ► got an email from some guy at a

01:04:50 ◼   ► marketing company who set up a meeting

01:04:52 ◼   ► between the two of us and he wrote me to

01:04:55 ◼   ► let me know to tell me to tell him

01:04:58 ◼   ► if I didn't want to go to that meeting

01:05:00 ◼   ► but otherwise it was in the calendar I

01:05:02 ◼   ► did not reply to him well he's probably

01:05:06 ◼   ► still sitting in some coffee shop

01:05:07 ◼   ► waiting for you

01:05:08 ◼   ► good I have got a little copyright gripe

01:05:10 ◼   ► that I was going to bring up it's sort

01:05:12 ◼   ► of paper cutting I guess and that is

01:05:14 ◼   ► when people pinch YouTube footage or

01:05:17 ◼   ► even if they pinch pictures this is an

01:05:20 ◼   ► old media thing like newspapers and TV

01:05:22 ◼   ► do this and maybe even they're allowed

01:05:25 ◼   ► to be using it I'm not even going to

01:05:26 ◼   ► argue with that because there is a fair

01:05:27 ◼   ► use sometimes defense so maybe even

01:05:30 ◼   ► they're using it fairly probably not but

01:05:32 ◼   ► maybe

01:05:33 ◼   ► but regardless when they give the credit

01:05:36 ◼   ► they credit YouTube or Facebook so

01:05:38 ◼   ► they'll be like you know someone's video

01:05:40 ◼   ► they've uploaded to YouTube and just as

01:05:42 ◼   ► pictures courtesy of YouTube pictures

01:05:44 ◼   ► from YouTube picture courtesy of

01:05:46 ◼   ► Facebook you know what I love about that

01:05:51 ◼   ► well is I feel like did you reach out to

01:05:54 ◼   ► YouTube and even even ask did YouTube

01:05:58 ◼   ► give you some kind of general permission

01:06:01 ◼   ► to just use all of the videos on their

01:06:03 ◼   ► site like I don't think you even have a

01:06:05 ◼   ► courtesy of claimed here even if the

01:06:08 ◼   ► word courtesy isn't used even if that is

01:06:10 ◼   ► trying to credit even the source of the

01:06:12 ◼   ► footage I'm not even talking about

01:06:13 ◼   ► whether they have the rights to use the

01:06:15 ◼   ► footage or not they probably don't

01:06:16 ◼   ► mm-hmm but maybe they do have a right to

01:06:19 ◼   ► user in some fair use contemporary news

01:06:21 ◼   ► defense and I think maybe they think

01:06:24 ◼   ► they're doing the right thing by you

01:06:26 ◼   ► know giving a bit of credit and

01:06:27 ◼   ► recognition instead of like you know

01:06:29 ◼   ► crediting like the username or something

01:06:31 ◼   ► sure from YouTube picture Facebook

01:06:34 ◼   ► doesn't mind nothing some people do it

01:06:36 ◼   ► right like I had you know

01:06:38 ◼   ► and NBC and ABC and that used the Audrey

01:06:41 ◼   ► video stuff there was a credit they

01:06:43 ◼   ► credit the channel name YouTube / and

01:06:46 ◼   ► the name of the channel it was on then

01:06:48 ◼   ► it's like alright probably only one of

01:06:50 ◼   ► the million people will actually bother

01:06:51 ◼   ► to type they didn't go and look at it

01:06:52 ◼   ► but at least you credited it properly

01:06:54 ◼   ► and I felt okay about it which is

01:06:56 ◼   ► crediting YouTube or Facebook or

01:06:58 ◼   ► whatever yeah when I say that in

01:07:00 ◼   ► articles it drives me crazy and it also

01:07:03 ◼   ► feels like well if that's fair game

01:07:04 ◼   ► every kid who's writing a paper anywhere

01:07:08 ◼   ► in the world their entire reference

01:07:10 ◼   ► section can just say facts courtesy of

01:07:13 ◼   ► the library right the Internet that's

01:07:16 ◼   ► what it is right like that's that's what

01:07:18 ◼   ► the equivalent is here what I've seen as

01:07:20 ◼   ► well is which I find is weirder I've

01:07:22 ◼   ► seen a couple cases where someone will

01:07:25 ◼   ► be quoted but they'll just be quoted as

01:07:27 ◼   ► a twitter user right so they'll say like

01:07:30 ◼   ► a twitter user said it's like you know

01:07:32 ◼   ► that's a person right like there's a

01:07:34 ◼   ► person on the other end of that

01:07:35 ◼   ► who said that thing like why don't you

01:07:37 ◼   ► include their name or their @ handle at

01:07:40 ◼   ► best i presume it's a kind of laziness

01:07:43 ◼   ► but something about it to me always

01:07:46 ◼   ► feels a bit like how newspapers don't

01:07:49 ◼   ► like to link to things it feels a bit

01:07:51 ◼   ► like that like oh we just want to say

01:07:52 ◼   ► it's youtube don't you worry your

01:07:54 ◼   ► precious little head where it came from

01:07:56 ◼   ► don't accidentally discover a thing that

01:07:58 ◼   ► might be more interesting than what

01:07:59 ◼   ► you're reading now that's what I think

01:08:01 ◼   ► is like maybe the sinister side of it so

01:08:03 ◼   ► it's either like laziness or it's a kind

01:08:05 ◼   ► of please don't go anywhere Ness I'll

01:08:07 ◼   ► give you one other sinister reason I'm

01:08:09 ◼   ► joining you and kicking media today so

01:08:11 ◼   ► you must be happy I'll give you another

01:08:13 ◼   ► sinister reason why I bet they do it say

01:08:15 ◼   ► they pinched a picture from one of your

01:08:16 ◼   ► videos and they just said picture

01:08:18 ◼   ► courtesy of YouTube okay they feel like

01:08:21 ◼   ► they're sheathed in the protection of

01:08:23 ◼   ► having credited it so when they use

01:08:24 ◼   ► their fair use defense they can say we

01:08:27 ◼   ► did attribution but if they credited it

01:08:30 ◼   ► as picture YouTube CGP grey that greatly

01:08:34 ◼   ► increases the ease with which people can

01:08:38 ◼   ► say ah

01:08:38 ◼   ► they took CGP grey picture I'm going to

01:08:40 ◼   ► email him and tell him mm-hmm and it

01:08:42 ◼   ► increases the chances of the source

01:08:44 ◼   ► being alerted to the theft that is one

01:08:47 ◼   ► thing that I do kind of like about the

01:08:48 ◼   ► Internet is at least when once you

01:08:52 ◼   ► have an audience of some size like you

01:08:54 ◼   ► you do have a little like a group of

01:08:56 ◼   ► people out there who are helping to

01:08:57 ◼   ► police this kind of stuff tadow Taos no

01:09:00 ◼   ► no intellectual property right heroes

01:09:03 ◼   ► no title tails and I feel like in this

01:09:07 ◼   ► case I'm willing to stand behind that

01:09:08 ◼   ► actually the more I think about it there

01:09:10 ◼   ► freebooting sheriffs yeah yeah I think

01:09:15 ◼   ► that's really good yeah of course not

01:09:17 ◼   ► just for us but I think it's it's like a

01:09:19 ◼   ► keeping people honest kind of thing like

01:09:23 ◼   ► in the broader sense it's like hey I can

01:09:25 ◼   ► only be helpful if the freebooters know

01:09:27 ◼   ► that the audience is literate in the

01:09:30 ◼   ► world of copyright infringement and is

01:09:32 ◼   ► going to call them on it when they do it

01:09:34 ◼   ► yeah and it's not just the luck of the

01:09:36 ◼   ► draw whether or not you and I

01:09:37 ◼   ► individually catch them yeah yeah

01:09:39 ◼   ► exactly

01:09:39 ◼   ► quote from a Twitter user great a plus

01:09:43 ◼   ► work there now I'll say one thing in

01:09:46 ◼   ► defense of that oh you can't help

01:09:48 ◼   ► yourself Brady I'll say one thing in

01:09:50 ◼   ► defense of a Twitter user uh-huh if it's

01:09:52 ◼   ► kind of just incidental right and it's

01:09:54 ◼   ► just kind of giving you a color of the

01:09:57 ◼   ► sort of response that was happening

01:09:59 ◼   ► right so you're picking one tweet that

01:10:01 ◼   ► you think is like representative of what

01:10:02 ◼   ► was going on okay say that's what you're

01:10:04 ◼   ► doing it's not like this is the source

01:10:06 ◼   ► of the story this isn't like you know

01:10:08 ◼   ► deep throat who's telling you the source

01:10:09 ◼   ► it's just to give you an idea of the

01:10:11 ◼   ► sort of things that were being said

01:10:12 ◼   ► quite often on Twitter you haven't got

01:10:14 ◼   ► the person's name you probably shouldn't

01:10:16 ◼   ► use the person's name either because

01:10:17 ◼   ► it's kind of maybe a bit unfair on them

01:10:19 ◼   ► and if you start using you know things

01:10:21 ◼   ► like at gummybear 4:38 said mm-hmm it

01:10:26 ◼   ► just kind of makes like the story messy

01:10:28 ◼   ► and like for the reader it becomes like

01:10:32 ◼   ► a an obstacle to the smooth reading of

01:10:34 ◼   ► the story at a point where you didn't

01:10:36 ◼   ► want to have an obstacle like you didn't

01:10:38 ◼   ► want the reader to be bogged down with

01:10:41 ◼   ► what the hell is that word at gummy bear

01:10:43 ◼   ► with spoke with an i and an underscore

01:10:45 ◼   ► and okay suddenly the Raiders like is it

01:10:47 ◼   ► then don't use it then right like I

01:10:49 ◼   ► understand what you're saying here like

01:10:51 ◼   ► oh this hoping you might know I've said

01:10:53 ◼   ► you've made the decision to use it

01:10:54 ◼   ► because you know you want to give people

01:10:55 ◼   ► a feel for how social media was reacting

01:10:58 ◼   ► to a thing like you know and there was

01:11:01 ◼   ► one that you thought was like you know

01:11:02 ◼   ► and and if you've done the right thing

01:11:04 ◼   ► as a journalist and picks

01:11:05 ◼   ► there is kind of representative of the

01:11:07 ◼   ► overall reaction that was happening at

01:11:10 ◼   ► the time I could see a time where that

01:11:13 ◼   ► would be fair and you know what you and

01:11:15 ◼   ► I do it all the time on the podcast

01:11:17 ◼   ► we'll just sort of brush over along the

01:11:19 ◼   ► lines of oh yeah I saw someone on

01:11:20 ◼   ► Twitter saying well we'll say lots of

01:11:22 ◼   ► people on reddit was saying this lots of

01:11:25 ◼   ► people on reddit were commenting that it

01:11:27 ◼   ► was really funny when grey talked about

01:11:28 ◼   ► bees

01:11:29 ◼   ► we're not listing their names we're not

01:11:31 ◼   ► attributing them all we're just giving

01:11:33 ◼   ► people a feel without getting bogged

01:11:34 ◼   ► down and I think it's unfair that you

01:11:37 ◼   ► and I can do it on the podcast but

01:11:38 ◼   ► you're going to make every single

01:11:39 ◼   ► newspaper journalist attribute every

01:11:41 ◼   ► single comment if it's not germane and