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221: Personal Body Chemistry

 

00:00:00   real-time follow-up as of approximately [TS]

00:00:02   10 or so minutes ago I'm now an uncle [TS]

00:00:04   hey congratulations eh [TS]

00:00:07   do you intend to be a creepy uncle or a [TS]

00:00:09   fun uncle or some other kind of I hadn't [TS]

00:00:13   even thought about it but I mean you got [TS]

00:00:15   to think about these things he's gonna [TS]

00:00:16   try to be the cool uncle we already know [TS]

00:00:18   that the question is the question is [TS]

00:00:19   what is he going to be that is it that's [TS]

00:00:21   true 100% that is 100% accurate I I wish [TS]

00:00:29   I could deny it but that is absolutely [TS]

00:00:31   accurate so I wanted to spend a moment [TS]

00:00:35   and talk about the somewhat political [TS]

00:00:39   section of our last episode and we got a [TS]

00:00:43   lot of feedback we got a lot of good [TS]

00:00:45   feedback we got a lot of bad feedback [TS]

00:00:47   but one thing that was common that I [TS]

00:00:50   think was on me that I wanted to [TS]

00:00:51   apologize to listeners for is at one [TS]

00:00:55   point in the heat of getting fired up or [TS]

00:00:57   in the midst of getting fired up I'd [TS]

00:00:58   said in so many words you know if you [TS]

00:01:01   disagree with me you're a monster [TS]

00:01:03   and name-calling is not really a [TS]

00:01:05   constructive way to have a reasoned [TS]

00:01:07   debate not to say that that debate was [TS]

00:01:09   terribly reasoned anyway but [TS]

00:01:10   name-calling does not really help the [TS]

00:01:12   scenario and and you know if I'm gonna [TS]

00:01:14   if I'm going to be grumpy about other [TS]

00:01:15   people name-calling then I should be [TS]

00:01:18   grumpy about me doing it and so no no [TS]

00:01:20   snark intended I really do apologize for [TS]

00:01:22   name-calling I stand by the general [TS]

00:01:24   premise of what I said which is to say I [TS]

00:01:26   think that some of the behaviors of [TS]

00:01:27   those who who want to take away health [TS]

00:01:29   care that is a monstrous behavior but [TS]

00:01:31   that does not bind a zesty make somebody [TS]

00:01:33   a monster so I know you guys can either [TS]

00:01:37   confirm or deny everything I've just [TS]

00:01:39   said but for what it's worth I feel bad [TS]

00:01:41   about that and I wish I had handled that [TS]

00:01:43   a little bit better despite by-and-large [TS]

00:01:45   sticking by pretty much everything I [TS]

00:01:47   said but the name-calling doesn't help I [TS]

00:01:49   think you undercut yourself with the [TS]

00:01:50   monstrous behaviorist thing because I'm [TS]

00:01:51   not sure that distinction is [TS]

00:01:52   particularly important but that like [TS]

00:01:54   that and we don't usually talk about [TS]

00:01:56   politics and show and I think we kind of [TS]

00:01:58   accidentally talked about it which is [TS]

00:01:59   fitting because it was not on a topic [TS]

00:02:01   list and it was not slid right into it [TS]

00:02:03   from wiki Tribune which was on the topic [TS]

00:02:05   list and end up staying in the show [TS]

00:02:07   unlike many other similar discussions [TS]

00:02:09   but one of the main problems with [TS]

00:02:11   anytime we get into [TS]

00:02:13   politics is that for the most part the [TS]

00:02:15   three of us are coming from the same [TS]

00:02:17   place like we we agree on the issues and [TS]

00:02:20   actually surprisingly difficult to talk [TS]

00:02:23   about a controversial political issue [TS]

00:02:27   amongst three people who all agree with [TS]

00:02:29   each other and it's why we get the [TS]

00:02:31   complaints of like you know echo chamber [TS]

00:02:33   so and so for the good thing and the bad [TS]

00:02:35   thing about podcast is even though it's [TS]

00:02:37   just three of us talking about it and we [TS]

00:02:38   all agree in aggregate it's not an echo [TS]

00:02:41   chamber because believe me the opposing [TS]

00:02:43   opinions are presented to us right so we [TS]

00:02:47   just don't get them in real time it is [TS]

00:02:48   delayed but that's not you know we're [TS]

00:02:51   not doing a political debate show but [TS]

00:02:53   but yeah so when we're all talking about [TS]

00:02:55   and we all more or less agree we're just [TS]

00:02:56   like saying things that each one of us [TS]

00:02:58   agrees about there's not even that much [TS]

00:03:00   nuanced or a disagreement and it just [TS]

00:03:02   kind of spirals off from there and I [TS]

00:03:03   don't I don't it's difficult to it's [TS]

00:03:06   difficult to clarify our thinking on it [TS]

00:03:07   when there is essentially no opposition [TS]

00:03:09   on the podcast itself so that's that's [TS]

00:03:11   difficulty I always feel when when [TS]

00:03:13   engaging those enema and listening to [TS]

00:03:14   them always trying to look for an angle [TS]

00:03:17   that is illuminating rather than just [TS]

00:03:19   the three of us venting which [TS]

00:03:21   occasionally happens occasionally got a [TS]

00:03:22   vent and occasionally we're feeling bad [TS]

00:03:23   about things I'm surprised after the [TS]

00:03:25   presidential election we didn't have a [TS]

00:03:27   similar show somehow we avoided it but [TS]

00:03:28   it came out last week [TS]

00:03:29   I have no regrets I had a feeling but [TS]

00:03:33   you know like in and out Lance says in [TS]

00:03:35   the chat saying that the people are [TS]

00:03:37   monsters is kind of productive and makes [TS]

00:03:38   the argument sound dumb and I would [TS]

00:03:40   agree with that so I am sorry for that [TS]

00:03:41   that portion of the discussion the rest [TS]

00:03:43   of it I pretty much stick by I think one [TS]

00:03:45   thing that that is really badly missing [TS]

00:03:49   in our culture is the ability to agree [TS]

00:03:53   on some like you know cause and effect [TS]

00:03:57   norms or like being able to talk about [TS]

00:03:59   cause and effect without it being [TS]

00:04:02   assumed to be or without being [TS]

00:04:04   politicized cuz like you know if we you [TS]

00:04:06   know like the health care debate it's [TS]

00:04:07   like you know would like when I was [TS]

00:04:09   saying last week about how like I want [TS]

00:04:10   people to actually think through their [TS]

00:04:12   arguments of you know like well how do [TS]

00:04:14   we think people in society should be [TS]

00:04:17   treated and how do we think you know the [TS]

00:04:19   government should take care of people or [TS]

00:04:20   not take care of people I wish we could [TS]

00:04:22   talk about that in we as a society I [TS]

00:04:25   wish we could talk about that [TS]

00:04:26   at without it being so politically [TS]

00:04:29   charged in people immediately jumping [TS]

00:04:31   down each other's throats about their [TS]

00:04:32   about like their identities because what [TS]

00:04:35   we need to instead be able to talk about [TS]

00:04:37   is like you know what how do we want to [TS]

00:04:40   treat people in our society who need [TS]

00:04:42   some kind of help [TS]

00:04:43   hey you know how do we want the standard [TS]

00:04:46   of that should be to be that we should [TS]

00:04:49   just let people you know fail and die [TS]

00:04:50   and starve or not and if the answer is [TS]

00:04:54   not then how do we allocate these [TS]

00:04:57   resources how do we pay for them and I [TS]

00:05:00   wish we could actually talk about that [TS]

00:05:01   but the second you you give an opinion [TS]

00:05:05   either way on that whether you say I [TS]

00:05:07   think society should help those less [TS]

00:05:10   fortunate whether you think you know we [TS]

00:05:13   should provide for people and we should [TS]

00:05:14   like not let people fail too badly or [TS]

00:05:17   starve or die or whether you think that [TS]

00:05:21   we should just let people do all those [TS]

00:05:22   things that shouldn't be a US Republican [TS]

00:05:28   versus Democrat thing but it is and so [TS]

00:05:32   it's hard to say like oh we should stay [TS]

00:05:34   away from political topics or or that [TS]

00:05:37   every view is valid when some of these [TS]

00:05:40   views people on both sides think that [TS]

00:05:44   it's not just politics that it's like [TS]

00:05:45   base the basics of their identity or of [TS]

00:05:48   human standards of decency and [TS]

00:05:51   obligations to each other and it's not [TS]

00:05:55   just political it's not like I think we [TS]

00:05:57   should you know vote for the person on [TS]

00:05:58   the red versus the person in the blue or [TS]

00:06:00   whatever else it's like I want people [TS]

00:06:03   who aren't like me to die or I want to [TS]

00:06:06   help people and those shouldn't be [TS]

00:06:08   political opinions those should be like [TS]

00:06:11   this is the one that we teach ourselves [TS]

00:06:13   and that we value because we're good [TS]

00:06:14   people and this is the other one but [TS]

00:06:17   apparently that's not what these things [TS]

00:06:18   are but nobody wants people to die [TS]

00:06:20   that's no no gonna say I'll save it ever [TS]

00:06:22   they very much do I mean so that's [TS]

00:06:25   that's it I don't want to get into it [TS]

00:06:27   again but let's I feel like I can argue [TS]

00:06:31   the other side pretty decently to like [TS]

00:06:35   the old other side again I voted to like [TS]

00:06:36   the 80s when they used to make arguments [TS]

00:06:39   actually we all agree on what we want to [TS]

00:06:40   accomplish is just a difference of [TS]

00:06:41   opinion on how to best accomplish it [TS]

00:06:43   right that debate is a lot easier to [TS]

00:06:45   have what you're getting at is it [TS]

00:06:47   doesn't feel like we're even unified on [TS]

00:06:48   the goal but even though the [TS]

00:06:51   consequences of these decisions may be [TS]

00:06:52   real it's not connected in a straight [TS]

00:06:55   line in terms of I want people who [TS]

00:06:58   aren't like me to die like I I don't [TS]

00:07:00   think you will get anybody to own that [TS]

00:07:02   opinion anywhere well that's true but [TS]

00:07:06   the problem is that people will will [TS]

00:07:08   very strongly own opinions that precede [TS]

00:07:11   that but if you actually follow them [TS]

00:07:13   through the conclusions then that is [TS]

00:07:15   that as a penalty so suppose somebody [TS]

00:07:17   has a life-threatening illness that is [TS]

00:07:19   treatable but they can't afford the [TS]

00:07:21   treatment what should happen in this [TS]

00:07:23   case should should our society find a [TS]

00:07:27   way to pay for people in these kinds of [TS]

00:07:29   conditions to get treatment or should we [TS]

00:07:31   let them die that is that is a [TS]

00:07:33   fundamental you know argument that that [TS]

00:07:36   we have seemingly about every ten years [TS]

00:07:38   and if you're on the side of we should [TS]

00:07:41   help people it seems like you'd be a [TS]

00:07:43   total monster to use Casey's word right [TS]

00:07:46   it seemed to keep me a total monster to [TS]

00:07:48   argue the other side of that to say like [TS]

00:07:49   you know actually no we we should let [TS]

00:07:51   people die like no that's but but that [TS]

00:07:53   actually want them to die then want them [TS]

00:07:56   they're not wishing them ill they wish [TS]

00:07:57   that if they could snap their fingers [TS]

00:07:58   and cure them they would say yes you're [TS]

00:08:00   cured we should totally do that [TS]

00:08:01   it's just unfortunate situation and [TS]

00:08:04   there's just you know debating the best [TS]

00:08:06   way to allocate scarce resources and to [TS]

00:08:08   incentivize the right behaviors and blah [TS]

00:08:10   blah blah like it we start shift into [TS]

00:08:11   the more intellectual argument towards [TS]

00:08:12   it but when you connect it up to like [TS]

00:08:15   MAOIs like to say that people have [TS]

00:08:16   malice towards that like it's not and [TS]

00:08:19   get it ignoring the specifics of this [TS]

00:08:21   thing [TS]

00:08:21   more generally the other general topic [TS]

00:08:23   on the political stuff is this happens [TS]

00:08:26   the maze happens to everybody when [TS]

00:08:27   you're listening to someone talk about [TS]

00:08:28   something whether it's political or [TS]

00:08:30   technological or anything on a podcast [TS]

00:08:31   they will especially a things with two [TS]

00:08:34   sides red-blue Mac PC whatever it may be [TS]

00:08:38   you know the two-sided debate they will [TS]

00:08:42   address a thing like people who support [TS]

00:08:45   X are wrong because blah blah blah blah [TS]

00:08:48   and if people support X are on a [TS]

00:08:50   particular team and [TS]

00:08:52   you were also on that team but you don't [TS]

00:08:54   support X they'll say people is for X [TS]

00:08:57   here's what I don't like about it and [TS]

00:08:59   people will get offended to say well I [TS]

00:09:01   don't support X but on the same team as [TS]

00:09:03   the people support Xing because you're [TS]

00:09:04   yelling at that person I feel you're set [TS]

00:09:06   you're yelling at me and like it's very [TS]

00:09:08   difficult to hold on to the the thread [TS]

00:09:10   that says look if they are complaining [TS]

00:09:13   about something that you don't believe [TS]

00:09:14   they're not talking to you well you know [TS]

00:09:16   I mean like that but but when there are [TS]

00:09:17   two teams it's like what they're saying [TS]

00:09:19   anything about my team even though I [TS]

00:09:20   agree with them on this specific point [TS]

00:09:22   it's like they're attacking my team and [TS]

00:09:23   I feel attacked like are you trying to [TS]

00:09:25   say that I believe X is like well if you [TS]

00:09:26   don't believe X we're not talking to you [TS]

00:09:28   and so like is this not addressed with [TS]

00:09:30   you but when there's two teams when the [TS]

00:09:32   two teams and it's on your team you [TS]

00:09:34   can't help but get pulled into it and [TS]

00:09:35   again that happens that happens with [TS]

00:09:37   everybody especially with two sided [TS]

00:09:38   debates or you know actual sports teams [TS]

00:09:40   as the case may be where you can't can't [TS]

00:09:43   wrap your mind around a player on your [TS]

00:09:44   favorite sports team maybe did something [TS]

00:09:47   bad but you really do love the sports [TS]

00:09:48   team you try square that circle so when [TS]

00:09:50   someone says hey that that person had [TS]

00:09:51   smart team did a bad thing you say you'd [TS]

00:09:53   be quiet he didn't do a bad thing and [TS]

00:09:55   really in your heart of hearts you also [TS]

00:09:57   agree did a bad thing but you love the [TS]

00:09:58   sports team right so anyway that's a [TS]

00:10:01   difficulty and when I'm listening to [TS]

00:10:04   people talk about you know whether it's [TS]

00:10:07   to like or dislike a particular movie or [TS]

00:10:09   a director or a TV show or you know Mac [TS]

00:10:13   versus PC things is very easy to think [TS]

00:10:15   that they're talking about you or to you [TS]

00:10:17   ascribing to you beliefs that you don't [TS]

00:10:19   have when you have to realize it's a [TS]

00:10:21   broadcast medium and no one is saying [TS]

00:10:23   you specifically they're believed these [TS]

00:10:24   things and if you don't then don't don't [TS]

00:10:27   take on the burden of thinking that [TS]

00:10:29   you're you're being reprimanded for [TS]

00:10:31   something that you don't believe the [TS]

00:10:33   good news though is that there are some [TS]

00:10:34   universal truths of the world in [TS]

00:10:36   speaking of sports there are universal [TS]

00:10:38   truths like Bill Belichick is a cheater [TS]

00:10:39   and Tom Brady really should not be [TS]

00:10:42   playing football so anyway let's talk [TS]

00:10:43   about the back of the iPhone at a monk [TS]

00:10:46   morgue excuse me out of mark Wright's in [TS]

00:10:48   to say my take on that rumor image with [TS]

00:10:51   touch ID in the back is that it's a real [TS]

00:10:53   schematic for a real prototype but it's [TS]

00:10:55   only for testing there have been more [TS]

00:10:57   leaked schematics with no touch ID on [TS]

00:10:59   the back and I'm surprised that this has [TS]

00:11:00   been debated in two episodes as an [TS]

00:11:02   inevitability in my opinion this is Adam [TS]

00:11:04   there is zero chance at Apple [TS]

00:11:06   as a phone with such ID in the back it's [TS]

00:11:08   too big of a paradigm shift in form and [TS]

00:11:10   function Apple has done more work for [TS]

00:11:12   far less in the past I'd bet a lot of [TS]

00:11:14   money it's under the screen at launch it [TS]

00:11:16   really feels like a deal breaking [TS]

00:11:17   feature they would wait for so I think [TS]

00:11:19   to be clear none of us were saying that [TS]

00:11:21   was inevitability merely that this was a [TS]

00:11:23   supposedly thing and that we could all [TS]

00:11:26   conceive of Apple releasing such a thing [TS]

00:11:28   now obviously it would be not the ideal [TS]

00:11:30   and obviously you know plan a is the [TS]

00:11:32   thing under the screen but we were [TS]

00:11:34   discussing it was like what if they did [TS]

00:11:35   what if they couldn't get onto the [TS]

00:11:36   screen would they put it on the back [TS]

00:11:38   like obviously Apple doesn't want to [TS]

00:11:40   they want to do that thing on the screen [TS]

00:11:41   it's totally cool right but I you know [TS]

00:11:44   as I said when we first started talking [TS]

00:11:46   about this I believe it is a thing that [TS]

00:11:48   Apple would do because if the choice is [TS]

00:11:50   between doing that and not having a new [TS]

00:11:53   phone form factor at all they would [TS]

00:11:55   totally do that but I also totally buy [TS]

00:11:58   this you know but this is not a [TS]

00:11:59   slam-dunk this is just a random drawing [TS]

00:12:00   that could be totally fake and as I said [TS]

00:12:02   we'll find out when the real phone is [TS]

00:12:03   released and we look at the millimeter [TS]

00:12:04   sizing and if I got it down to three [TS]

00:12:06   decimal points chances are that it was [TS]

00:12:08   at the very least a real leak or [TS]

00:12:10   something manufactured based on the [TS]

00:12:13   knowledge of what the phone would be [TS]

00:12:14   like but yeah could be a prototype it [TS]

00:12:15   could be just a testing thing it's hard [TS]

00:12:17   to think of it being a prototype like [TS]

00:12:18   that because it would take a lot of [TS]

00:12:19   stuff to move around the touch ID to the [TS]

00:12:22   back even just for testing because [TS]

00:12:23   there's a bunch of other crap there on [TS]

00:12:24   the phone but anyway for my part I'm not [TS]

00:12:29   tied to any one of these particular [TS]

00:12:30   rumors and obviously the the plan a in [TS]

00:12:34   terms of rumors and in terms of what [TS]

00:12:36   what Apple would want to do is a thing [TS]

00:12:38   in the screen and so that's what I'm [TS]

00:12:39   certainly hoping for but if it doesn't [TS]

00:12:41   arrive and the thing is on the back we [TS]

00:12:43   won't all be flipping out because I feel [TS]

00:12:45   like we will be acclimated to that idea [TS]

00:12:47   through these leaks all right let's talk [TS]

00:12:50   about dirty fabric on laptops sure let's [TS]

00:12:55   this this is this is a little bit of an [TS]

00:12:59   odd more than a little bit of an odd [TS]

00:13:00   thing so to set some context the surface [TS]

00:13:05   laptop has Alcantara is that how you [TS]

00:13:09   pronounce it I just avoid it just just [TS]

00:13:11   avoid it like we avoid all the words we [TS]

00:13:13   can't pronounce just avoid it and so it [TS]

00:13:15   has some sort of fabric e leathery [TS]

00:13:17   something rather on it and that is to my [TS]

00:13:19   understand [TS]

00:13:20   ending including where your wrists sit [TS]

00:13:22   and that seems to me to be a really poor [TS]

00:13:26   choice for any human being of any kind [TS]

00:13:28   because I remember having a poly book hi [TS]

00:13:31   Steven Hackett which is to say a white [TS]

00:13:33   polycarbonate MacBook and I had to take [TS]

00:13:37   a mr. Clean Magic Eraser to that thing [TS]

00:13:38   like once every couple weeks um or deal [TS]

00:13:41   with all of my wrist gunk and sweat and [TS]

00:13:44   whatever and oils turning that thing [TS]

00:13:46   Brown and it was gross and that's [TS]

00:13:48   plastic [TS]

00:13:49   imagine fabric and so there's a link to [TS]

00:13:52   what does this be a boy genius report or [TS]

00:13:54   something like that I don't remember BGR [TS]

00:13:55   stands but it's trans booger Oh fair [TS]

00:13:57   enough [TS]

00:13:57   so uh we have a link to something and [TS]

00:14:01   they show an example of a surface with [TS]

00:14:04   or it appears to be a surface keyboard [TS]

00:14:06   with some really gross crystals all over [TS]

00:14:09   it because clearly it's been used a lot [TS]

00:14:10   and that just strikes me as a poor [TS]

00:14:12   choice but I don't know maybe I'm [TS]

00:14:14   missing something what do you guys think [TS]

00:14:15   when we talked about the fabric on the [TS]

00:14:18   surface laptops last show I was [TS]

00:14:21   concerned about the edges fraying and [TS]

00:14:23   like the difficulty of sort of mating [TS]

00:14:25   that material but it more broadly as [TS]

00:14:28   this dirty fabric issue brings up a [TS]

00:14:31   laptop is something that gets a lot of [TS]

00:14:36   contact does even though you're not [TS]

00:14:37   supposed to rest your wrist when you're [TS]

00:14:38   typing people do and you know people's [TS]

00:14:42   hands and wrists are going to be in [TS]

00:14:44   contact with this thing very very [TS]

00:14:46   frequently during use and for anything [TS]

00:14:49   like that it's a good idea to make it [TS]

00:14:51   out of a material that is durable or [TS]

00:14:54   washable or ideally both because there [TS]

00:14:57   is gunk on our hands and it is going to [TS]

00:15:00   come off and I go on to the thing that [TS]

00:15:02   we're touching and there needs to be [TS]

00:15:03   some plan for that so on the iPhone [TS]

00:15:06   screens a they're made of glass which is [TS]

00:15:07   very you know hard material easy clean [TS]

00:15:10   and B they have that coating that tries [TS]

00:15:11   to repel oil so that when you do try to [TS]

00:15:13   wipe all your gunk off it will come off [TS]

00:15:14   easily and that's a good plan for the [TS]

00:15:17   front of cell phone that you're going to [TS]

00:15:19   be touching all the time [TS]

00:15:20   similarly for the track pads on Macs I [TS]

00:15:22   think we all remember the original track [TS]

00:15:24   pads before they were glass there were [TS]

00:15:27   you know various kinds of plastic and [TS]

00:15:28   over time the track pads would get kind [TS]

00:15:31   of shiny and slippery and warned down [TS]

00:15:33   and discolored [TS]

00:15:33   on the particular parts that you that [TS]

00:15:35   you touch them moving to the glass [TS]

00:15:36   trackpad really help solve that problem [TS]

00:15:38   to keep it sort of uniformly colored and [TS]

00:15:41   textured easy to clean because it is a [TS]

00:15:44   part that you're touching all the time [TS]

00:15:45   same thing with key caps making them out [TS]

00:15:47   of hard plastic figuring out how to make [TS]

00:15:49   key caps so that the letters and numbers [TS]

00:15:51   don't come off I'm sure we have all met [TS]

00:15:52   somebody who is some strain of X person [TS]

00:15:54   which means that they secrete oils from [TS]

00:15:57   their bodies that where the letters off [TS]

00:15:58   of key caps right some people just have [TS]

00:16:01   I don't know it's if it's acidic or [TS]

00:16:04   otherwise solvent-based secretions from [TS]

00:16:07   their fingertips that will defeat almost [TS]

00:16:09   any keyboard and leave their key caps [TS]

00:16:11   perfectly smooth and featureless but [TS]

00:16:14   it's a challenge to wait people have [TS]

00:16:15   acid fingers that's awesome I don't know [TS]

00:16:18   if it's actually acid all I know is that [TS]

00:16:19   some you know if you look at some [TS]

00:16:21   people's keyboards they will have the [TS]

00:16:22   exact same keyboard as you and all the [TS]

00:16:24   letters will be gone from like the home [TS]

00:16:25   row or like the e key and the return [TS]

00:16:27   stuff and you're like look I'm using the [TS]

00:16:29   same keyboard to you for the same period [TS]

00:16:30   of time there's always some difference [TS]

00:16:32   in our body chemistry that is causing [TS]

00:16:33   this tab which is fine like whatever but [TS]

00:16:35   the job of making keyboard is to make it [TS]

00:16:37   easy to clean and make the little you [TS]

00:16:39   know letters resist wearing off for a [TS]

00:16:43   laptop to cover it in fabric fabric [TS]

00:16:46   falls down and almost all these [TS]

00:16:47   categories it is not easy to clean [TS]

00:16:50   because anything that gets in there goes [TS]

00:16:53   down into the weave or whatever and to [TS]

00:16:54   really watch fabric you put it in the [TS]

00:16:56   washing machine if you're lucky that [TS]

00:16:58   does a good job but you're not putting [TS]

00:16:59   your laptop in the washing machine so [TS]

00:17:00   you've got a problem already [TS]

00:17:01   to wash fabric you need moisture you [TS]

00:17:04   like you need like liquid which unless [TS]

00:17:06   you're Casey that's not going anywhere [TS]

00:17:07   near your laptop yet and you know it [TS]

00:17:10   still needs to pass through it like it [TS]

00:17:12   wasn't like I'm just going to go on the [TS]

00:17:13   surface and you want to make it so that [TS]

00:17:15   whatever does get on it comes off easily [TS]

00:17:18   you know and the the surface stays the [TS]

00:17:21   same if you have it in from year-to-year [TS]

00:17:23   and the fabric fabric wears down in [TS]

00:17:25   phrase and can get thin and you know rub [TS]

00:17:28   through in spots and so on and so forth [TS]

00:17:29   so it is not a great solution for [TS]

00:17:31   anything that you're going to handle [TS]

00:17:32   that much I mean even even clothes wear [TS]

00:17:34   out because they're made of cloth we put [TS]

00:17:36   on our body eventually you get two holes [TS]

00:17:37   in the knees and holes in the pockets [TS]

00:17:39   and you know they just fray and like so [TS]

00:17:42   it is definitely a material that you [TS]

00:17:46   can't treat the same way you [TS]

00:17:47   retreat even even Casey's plastic Abba [TS]

00:17:49   and one of the problems with it with the [TS]

00:17:51   plastic iBooks was they were white and [TS]

00:17:53   they had some discoloration issues that [TS]

00:17:56   may not have been noticeable if they [TS]

00:17:58   were like a boring gray or if you know [TS]

00:18:01   if they could if the plastic could be [TS]

00:18:02   formulated differently if it was a [TS]

00:18:04   different color but they were like very [TS]

00:18:05   white and translucent and that was a [TS]

00:18:06   problem I think they probably could be [TS]

00:18:08   cleaned pretty easily I don't know if [TS]

00:18:09   they were porous or what but an even for [TS]

00:18:12   the very what the black book also had [TS]

00:18:14   similar problems with the texture the [TS]

00:18:15   surface texture going eventually Apple [TS]

00:18:17   settled on materials that are pretty [TS]

00:18:19   darn resilient the aluminum and the [TS]

00:18:21   finish they put on the aluminum it's not [TS]

00:18:22   super glossy you know it's like it's [TS]

00:18:25   it's a finish that will stay looking the [TS]

00:18:26   same for pretty much the life of the [TS]

00:18:28   thing and combined with the glass pack [TS]

00:18:30   trackpad and good key caps in the glass [TS]

00:18:32   screens you can have a Apple laptop that [TS]

00:18:35   looks more or less the same plus or [TS]

00:18:37   minus dents and maybe scratches but in [TS]

00:18:40   terms of color discoloration and finish [TS]

00:18:42   many many years later one of these [TS]

00:18:45   fabric-covered things I think no matter [TS]

00:18:47   how careful you are depending on your [TS]

00:18:49   personal body chemistry and amount of [TS]

00:18:52   crap on your hands not literally but [TS]

00:18:54   maybe literally like it's going to be [TS]

00:18:57   very difficult very very difficult to [TS]

00:18:59   keep this thing looking like new with [TS]

00:19:01   unwashable fabric coating the surface [TS]

00:19:03   where your hands are going to be so [TS]

00:19:06   perhaps not a wise choice is a [TS]

00:19:08   differentiator it is a style difference [TS]

00:19:11   as I mentioned last show I think it's a [TS]

00:19:12   style difference that doesn't go far [TS]

00:19:14   enough because it essentially looks like [TS]

00:19:15   an Apple laptop and someone put put a [TS]

00:19:17   bunch of felt on top of which I think [TS]

00:19:19   it's not a good look and B I think is [TS]

00:19:20   apes Apple's design cues still too [TS]

00:19:23   strongly despite the fabric anyway be [TS]

00:19:27   careful out there with your fabric [TS]

00:19:28   covered laptops one thing I will also [TS]

00:19:31   point out I was thinking about this [TS]

00:19:31   earlier today and as Casey's talking [TS]

00:19:33   about the plastic MacBook it kind of [TS]

00:19:35   reminded me of this that you know it [TS]

00:19:37   wasn't that long ago that most of [TS]

00:19:39   Apple's lower end or consumer grade [TS]

00:19:41   products were plastic and that you had [TS]

00:19:45   to pay it like pay more to get the [TS]

00:19:46   premium Pro ones that were metal and for [TS]

00:19:49   all the complaining I do about some of [TS]

00:19:51   Apple's product decisions or apathy or [TS]

00:19:53   various things there you know nearby [TS]

00:19:55   there [TS]

00:19:57   the move to pretty much everything being [TS]

00:20:00   made of premium materials is appreciated [TS]

00:20:02   that is something that not every brand [TS]

00:20:04   does in fact no other brand does it as [TS]

00:20:06   far as I know in computing every laptop [TS]

00:20:09   like every every Mac that Apple sells is [TS]

00:20:12   now made of metal every phone now like [TS]

00:20:15   is made of you know decent metal and has [TS]

00:20:17   a decent g├╝strow design like there are [TS]

00:20:19   no more like cheap plastic options that [TS]

00:20:21   unless I'm forgetting something big but [TS]

00:20:22   as far as as far as hell there aren't [TS]

00:20:24   any everything now is made of the nice [TS]

00:20:27   materials that you know for the most [TS]

00:20:30   part that age well and things like that [TS]

00:20:31   so Apple TVs plastic right oh yeah but [TS]

00:20:34   you don't touch that or move it anyway [TS]

00:20:37   is it's nice-looking plastic and you [TS]

00:20:39   totally don't touch it yeah same deal [TS]

00:20:41   with time capsule thanks tip story I [TS]

00:20:42   forgot the time capsule everybody forgot [TS]

00:20:44   about the time capsule yeah Apple [TS]

00:20:46   forever the time capsule but they don't [TS]

00:20:47   sell it they're out of the router [TS]

00:20:48   business I think they still are for sale [TS]

00:20:50   I think they just weren't going to make [TS]

00:20:51   more of them really yeah anyway it [TS]

00:20:55   doesn't matter anyway so yeah just nice [TS]

00:20:56   little note that it's nice that now [TS]

00:20:57   everything is made of good materials [TS]

00:21:00   some of the camera mention the iPhone 5c [TS]

00:21:02   which is my immediate thought with [TS]

00:21:03   plastic I think the iPhone 5c is it [TS]

00:21:05   shows that plastic can look and feel [TS]

00:21:07   premium because I think the 5c was great [TS]

00:21:10   design a great external designer phone [TS]

00:21:12   every time I see them in public [TS]

00:21:14   they look like they're brand new like [TS]

00:21:16   you know it's just very hard durable [TS]

00:21:19   shiny probably really easy to clean [TS]

00:21:22   plastic that doesn't get dirty right so [TS]

00:21:25   it can be done and you know you [TS]

00:21:28   mentioned the Apple TV it's a similar [TS]

00:21:29   type of thing that even people were [TS]

00:21:30   handling that I think would be very [TS]

00:21:31   resistant because if we just make it out [TS]

00:21:33   of like plastic is not just one material [TS]

00:21:34   it's a million different formulations [TS]

00:21:35   and Apple sort of learned the hard way [TS]

00:21:38   which formulations do and don't work [TS]

00:21:40   from the soft plastic on the screen of [TS]

00:21:42   the first iPod Nano you know to the [TS]

00:21:45   discoloring mac books and other [TS]

00:21:48   materials they tried like the titanium [TS]

00:21:49   power book that had problems with the [TS]

00:21:51   paint staying on like they eventually [TS]

00:21:53   set it on a solution that works well and [TS]

00:21:55   they've spread it throughout their line [TS]

00:21:56   which is a good idea but I'm not going [TS]

00:21:58   to count out plastic entirely but I [TS]

00:22:00   think I'm gonna kind of can out fabric [TS]

00:22:03   entirely that's something that you want [TS]

00:22:05   to put the quote-unquote wrist rest area [TS]

00:22:07   of a lap [TS]

00:22:08   as I like no matter how you know you go [TS]

00:22:11   to the furniture store and they say [TS]

00:22:12   we've got the magic coating that repels [TS]

00:22:14   water and you can throw like jell-o [TS]

00:22:16   pudding on this couch and nothing will [TS]

00:22:18   happen and that's true until that [TS]

00:22:20   coating wears away and then you know [TS]

00:22:22   that then you know it's anything that [TS]

00:22:25   you're going to rub something up against [TS]

00:22:27   it's just it's not going to last [TS]

00:22:28   so I suppose they could work on was that [TS]

00:22:32   Simon izing or whatever all sorts of [TS]

00:22:34   SuperDuper waterproofing coating for [TS]

00:22:37   fabrics but a that they make the fabric [TS]

00:22:38   feel more like plastic at that point and [TS]

00:22:41   be even those wear off eventually can I [TS]

00:22:43   pay the extra fifty cents at the car [TS]

00:22:45   wash to get it resized is that about I [TS]

00:22:48   don't know what that I'm just pulling [TS]

00:22:49   that board out of my head know where [TS]

00:22:51   they came I believe that's wax at the [TS]

00:22:52   car wash but I'm not positive yes I go [TS]

00:22:57   through drive-thru car washes you know [TS]

00:22:58   don't add me bro or whatever I can't [TS]

00:23:00   believe you do that I wouldn't do that [TS]

00:23:02   I'm sure Casey wouldn't I I decided I [TS]

00:23:04   decided a few years ago after first [TS]

00:23:06   doing it for cars that I didn't know [TS]

00:23:09   better or didn't care and then I started [TS]

00:23:11   getting nicer cars and people like you [TS]

00:23:14   guys scared me into not going through [TS]

00:23:15   automatic car washes and I didn't want [TS]

00:23:17   to get my clear coat all swirly or [TS]

00:23:18   whatever and the result of that was I [TS]

00:23:20   had really nice cars that were always [TS]

00:23:22   incredibly embarrassingly dirty if you [TS]

00:23:24   live in upstate New York that's what [TS]

00:23:25   you're supposed to have so instead I [TS]

00:23:27   decided starting with with my current [TS]

00:23:30   car I decided I'm not going to care [TS]

00:23:32   anymore [TS]

00:23:33   I'm just going to go through the car [TS]

00:23:34   wash when I feel like it and my car has [TS]

00:23:36   been way cleaner as a result and I don't [TS]

00:23:38   care it's just the lease what do you [TS]

00:23:40   care all the scratches that are getting [TS]

00:23:41   from little little bits of grit that are [TS]

00:23:43   on those flabby things scratching your [TS]

00:23:44   car over the place it's not yours and [TS]

00:23:45   honestly I don't really notice like I I [TS]

00:23:48   know I know what to look for it is a [TS]

00:23:50   little bit different now that my car is [TS]

00:23:51   red it like it's way more notice one [TS]

00:23:53   black on the red it's a lot less [TS]

00:23:55   noticeable or it's noticeable I've fewer [TS]

00:23:57   angles I guess so I don't care and most [TS]

00:24:01   of the time from almost every angle my [TS]

00:24:03   car looks better now that I'm going [TS]

00:24:05   through car washes whenever I feel like [TS]

00:24:07   it rather than when I would go like five [TS]

00:24:10   months of that getting a car wash [TS]

00:24:11   because I had to wait until I could go [TS]

00:24:13   to the place it took an hour or when [TS]

00:24:14   Casey visited pretty much oh to be [TS]

00:24:18   blissfully ignorant again and you know [TS]

00:24:20   it turns out maybe the black cars [TS]

00:24:21   weren't so [TS]

00:24:21   good idea moving on oh man am Archaea [TS]

00:24:25   Banerjee and I'm sorry if I pronounced [TS]

00:24:28   that wrong asks do you folks think that [TS]

00:24:29   the popularity of touch input on Windows [TS]

00:24:31   laptops could just be attributed to the [TS]

00:24:33   terrible trackpads that given a good [TS]

00:24:35   trackpad having a fridge toaster OS in a [TS]

00:24:37   laptop form factors unnecessary I don't [TS]

00:24:41   it's very hard for me to say because [TS]

00:24:42   I've never had a touchscreen laptop and [TS]

00:24:45   I've only ever used them a couple times [TS]

00:24:46   and I found them very frustrating [TS]

00:24:48   because I wasn't used to being able to [TS]

00:24:51   touch the screen and maybe I grazed it [TS]

00:24:53   accidentally and all of a sudden my [TS]

00:24:55   cursor moved or maybe I was stabbing at [TS]

00:24:57   it like a monster who knows but anyway [TS]

00:24:59   because I've never really understood [TS]

00:25:01   understood the appeal of it I don't [TS]

00:25:04   think that it's a trackpad problem [TS]

00:25:06   although I do know that Windows [TS]

00:25:07   computers have just low fly terrible [TS]

00:25:09   trackpads I think that people just [TS]

00:25:12   genuinely do like having touchscreen [TS]

00:25:15   laptops like anyone who I've ever spoken [TS]

00:25:17   to who has a touchscreen Windows laptop [TS]

00:25:19   pretty much every single one of them [TS]

00:25:21   enjoys it and likes having the option of [TS]

00:25:23   stabbing at the screen I don't get that [TS]

00:25:25   it seems kind of kooky to me but that's [TS]

00:25:28   pretty universally my anecdotal [TS]

00:25:30   experience what do you guys think I mean [TS]

00:25:32   we've all been around computers for a [TS]

00:25:33   long time now we know that there are [TS]

00:25:35   screen textures and non screen textures [TS]

00:25:37   so maybe the screen texture is finally [TS]

00:25:39   just one yeah close they don't touch my [TS]

00:25:42   screen I know I agree with Daisy that [TS]

00:25:44   yes they have travel track pads but this [TS]

00:25:47   is a separate issue people like to touch [TS]

00:25:48   the screen and I don't think they do it [TS]

00:25:50   super duper often they just like the [TS]

00:25:51   option of being able to do it because I [TS]

00:25:52   mean just think of the generation it's [TS]

00:25:54   going to grow up with the expectation [TS]

00:25:55   that every screen is touchable to have [TS]

00:25:57   one that's not just seems broken it [TS]

00:25:58   doesn't mean that you're going to spend [TS]

00:26:00   the vast majority of your time on your [TS]

00:26:02   your traditionally laptop shaped piece [TS]

00:26:04   of hardware stabbing at the screen I [TS]

00:26:06   mean you're going to be typing on the [TS]

00:26:07   keyboard you're going to be using the [TS]

00:26:08   trackpad and every once in a while [TS]

00:26:09   you're going to stab at the screen it's [TS]

00:26:11   just all the piece and I think it mostly [TS]

00:26:14   comes down to software like if the touch [TS]

00:26:16   targets are frustratingly small as I [TS]

00:26:18   think it would be if you just slap the [TS]

00:26:20   touchscreen on a Mac that won't be a [TS]

00:26:22   good experience but if you're using [TS]

00:26:24   something like a modern version of [TS]

00:26:25   Windows where a lot of the applications [TS]

00:26:27   and parts of the OS make an effort to [TS]

00:26:30   have touchable targets whatever it's I [TS]

00:26:32   think it's fine and I don't think it has [TS]

00:26:34   to do with the bed [TS]

00:26:35   trackpads because honestly like we we [TS]

00:26:38   track pet connoisseurs Marco in [TS]

00:26:40   particular with his hatred of the forest [TS]

00:26:42   trust trackpad maybe picky about these [TS]

00:26:44   things [TS]

00:26:45   regular people cannot distinguish [TS]

00:26:47   between the worst windows trackpad and [TS]

00:26:49   the best Apple one this because I mean I [TS]

00:26:53   think I think most people have trackpad [TS]

00:26:56   skills that are more in line with mine [TS]

00:26:59   I'm not a tactical acquit I am not [TS]

00:27:02   particularly graceful with the trackpad [TS]

00:27:04   I think I'm closer to the average and [TS]

00:27:06   being a closer to the average trackpad [TS]

00:27:09   person I know how clumsy it feels and [TS]

00:27:12   that is the overwhelming factor in [TS]

00:27:15   trackpad use not the quality of the [TS]

00:27:17   trackpad like or the mouse tracking or [TS]

00:27:19   the size of the trackpad or how [TS]

00:27:20   sensitive it is or whatever no matter [TS]

00:27:22   how good the trackpad is I feel clumsy [TS]

00:27:24   so I think that's how most people feel [TS]

00:27:25   that's why if you were trying to put the [TS]

00:27:27   to track bits maybe they would notice [TS]

00:27:29   the Apple one is bigger but other than [TS]

00:27:30   that they're like whatever they're both [TS]

00:27:32   trackpad so no that's not the reason [TS]

00:27:34   that touchscreens uh I think that's a [TS]

00:27:37   little bit aggressive I think that [TS]

00:27:39   certainly not everyone notices how far [TS]

00:27:42   improved the Apple trackpads are but I [TS]

00:27:44   think a lot of quote-unquote normal [TS]

00:27:46   people do notice I certainly they notice [TS]

00:27:48   the size just like you said but I think [TS]

00:27:50   it's noticed more often than most [TS]

00:27:52   offered people that are not like super [TS]

00:27:54   nerds say to me oh you know I got this [TS]

00:27:56   Mac and man that trackpads much better [TS]

00:27:58   it doesn't happen a lot to your point [TS]

00:28:00   but it does happen for sure it's kind of [TS]

00:28:02   one of those things where if they [TS]

00:28:02   haven't tried the better one they're not [TS]

00:28:04   sitting there using their Windows laptop [TS]

00:28:05   and you come from man how can you use [TS]

00:28:06   that track Reggie like yeah it's fine [TS]

00:28:08   now if you were to give them an Apple [TS]

00:28:09   laptop per weekend they had to go back [TS]

00:28:11   maybe they could tell the difference but [TS]

00:28:12   it's I don't I don't hear it as a pain [TS]

00:28:14   point I don't hear it is a reason people [TS]

00:28:15   don't like their computers or if I go to [TS]

00:28:17   have to use someone's Windows computer [TS]

00:28:19   at work and I say to the person I don't [TS]

00:28:21   know how you work on this trackpad [TS]

00:28:22   they'll be like what what's wrong with [TS]

00:28:24   it it's fine because they don't have [TS]

00:28:25   anything to compare it to and it is is [TS]

00:28:27   the same awkward little thing that [TS]

00:28:29   they're just used to using or they just [TS]

00:28:31   use the keyboard all the time don't [TS]

00:28:32   forget the culture of being a Windows [TS]

00:28:34   user which is like everything kind of [TS]

00:28:37   doesn't work and so you just like that's [TS]

00:28:39   what you expect as normal like you don't [TS]

00:28:41   even realize how much better things can [TS]

00:28:43   be when things work and our thoughtfully [TS]

00:28:44   designed because on Windows you're just [TS]

00:28:46   constantly like lying on a bed of nails [TS]

00:28:49   and you don't even notice it after a [TS]

00:28:50   while like that sometimes I go to [TS]

00:28:52   something use someone's Windows laptop [TS]

00:28:53   of work and they have like like four [TS]

00:28:55   buttons like two above and two below the [TS]

00:28:57   trackpad or some other weird arrangement [TS]

00:28:59   or there's basically redundant left and [TS]

00:29:00   right mouse buttons on the surface of [TS]

00:29:02   the laptop and I'll try to do it and [TS]

00:29:04   like nothing will happen like oh yeah [TS]

00:29:06   that set of buttons doesn't work use [TS]

00:29:07   these ones it continued to tolerate and [TS]

00:29:10   use this thing you consider it not [TS]

00:29:12   broken when some of the buttons and some [TS]

00:29:14   of the major buttons on the front of it [TS]

00:29:15   don't work you just get around you just [TS]

00:29:17   have to use that button well no no what [TS]

00:29:19   probably is happening there is it [TS]

00:29:20   probably has both an inferior trackpad [TS]

00:29:24   pointing device and the unequivocally [TS]

00:29:26   superior TrackPoint style pointing [TS]

00:29:29   device and the buttons above the [TS]

00:29:31   trackpad are for the track point [TS]

00:29:33   yeah banal and then oftentimes that'll [TS]

00:29:36   get turned off because people are wrong [TS]

00:29:37   and they use the trackpad instead before [TS]

00:29:40   the entire world well actually is me [TS]

00:29:42   remember that I'm basing this opinion on [TS]

00:29:45   a pre gesture time now the gestures are [TS]

00:29:47   a thing then trackpads honestly are the [TS]

00:29:49   better approach but before gestures were [TS]

00:29:52   a thing I tell you all you people who [TS]

00:29:54   laugh at that little nubbin Mouse you're [TS]

00:29:56   wrong it was way better anyway Corey [TS]

00:29:59   Floyd wrote Syd wrote in to say that [TS]

00:30:01   they work at Wikimedia and heard our [TS]

00:30:04   latest show discussing like a Tribune [TS]

00:30:06   project and they wanted to kind of not [TS]

00:30:09   necessarily correct but bring up a few [TS]

00:30:11   things [TS]

00:30:11   whicka Tribune isn't affiliated with [TS]

00:30:14   Wikipedia or Wikimedia in any way which [TS]

00:30:16   has been causing some confusion in the [TS]

00:30:17   media this is Corey still I think this [TS]

00:30:20   mostly came across in your episode but I [TS]

00:30:21   also wanted to include a few other [TS]

00:30:22   interesting specifics below what [TS]

00:30:25   contribute is based on WordPress not [TS]

00:30:27   media weak wiki like Wikipedia and its [TS]

00:30:30   sister projects additionally it is not [TS]

00:30:32   actually developed or otherwise [TS]

00:30:34   maintained by existing Wikimedia or [TS]

00:30:36   Wikipedia community and finally [TS]

00:30:38   Wikimedia also has an existing albeit [TS]

00:30:40   unsuccessful project called wiki News [TS]

00:30:42   which is in some ways a competitor to [TS]

00:30:44   wiki Tribune in the first place and [TS]

00:30:46   that's it wiki news org will put all [TS]

00:30:48   these links in the show notes so I've [TS]

00:30:49   got Jimmy Wales that is the connecting [TS]

00:30:51   thread but don't be confused about the [TS]

00:30:54   fact that this is a Wikipedia spin-off [TS]

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00:32:19   have an app in the App Store with a home [TS]

00:32:21   Tron companion feature you can take [TS]

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00:33:01   another Amazon cylinder that isn't a [TS]

00:33:06   cylinder thing came out and I really [TS]

00:33:08   don't care so to somebody who actually [TS]

00:33:10   gives a crap want to talk about this [TS]

00:33:11   marker and I mean this is more of a [TS]

00:33:12   three-dimensional trapezoid fair enough [TS]

00:33:14   yeah good point this is a marker [TS]

00:33:16   that you got we've got a quote from [TS]

00:33:17   someone named Marco who wrote in to the [TS]

00:33:19   show to say I'd upgrade our kitchen echo [TS]

00:33:21   to this in a heartbeat he says looking [TS]

00:33:23   at a vineyard picture of the actual echo [TS]

00:33:26   show yeah [TS]

00:33:27   so Marco have you upgraded your kitchen [TS]

00:33:30   echo to this now that your heart has [TS]

00:33:31   beaten no I haven't because it isn't out [TS]

00:33:34   yet but I did place a pre-order and it [TS]

00:33:35   will be hereon allegedly june 28th so we [TS]

00:33:39   will see when that comes basically the [TS]

00:33:41   gist of it is you know the the Amazon [TS]

00:33:44   echo is is quite wonderful to many [TS]

00:33:47   people myself included and my family has [TS]

00:33:50   really gotten into it we use it all the [TS]

00:33:52   time and it's it lives in our kitchen [TS]

00:33:54   and it is wonderful for playing music [TS]

00:33:57   around the house for setting timers [TS]

00:33:59   especially while cooking TIF uses it all [TS]

00:34:03   the time for things like checking the [TS]

00:34:05   weather in the morning when running [TS]

00:34:06   around getting Adam ready for school so [TS]

00:34:09   it there are a number of use cases [TS]

00:34:11   during the day where it would be nice to [TS]

00:34:14   have a screen for instance the timers [TS]

00:34:17   that I just mentioned it would be nice [TS]

00:34:18   to see how much time is left to see them [TS]

00:34:20   counting down if there ever becomes a [TS]

00:34:23   way to set multiple named timers right [TS]

00:34:25   now you can set multiple timers but you [TS]

00:34:27   can't name them I'm pretty sure the [TS]

00:34:28   Google home you can name them but the [TS]

00:34:30   echo does not support that at the moment [TS]

00:34:32   but again like when you have multiple [TS]

00:34:34   timers going be nice to see them [TS]

00:34:35   visually and maybe they have little [TS]

00:34:37   touch buttons to pause or cancel them [TS]

00:34:39   individually because right now it's kind [TS]

00:34:40   of you kind of can't do it very well but [TS]

00:34:42   via voice if you have multiple ones [TS]

00:34:43   going when TIFF checks the weather in [TS]

00:34:46   the morning first of all though these [TS]

00:34:48   pictures show it kind of always have a [TS]

00:34:50   like this home screen that has the clock [TS]

00:34:52   and the current weather conditions on [TS]

00:34:54   the screen all the time so that would be [TS]

00:34:56   nice to do just not even have to ask at [TS]

00:34:59   certain things if you're walking by you [TS]

00:35:00   can glance at it and see the weather so [TS]

00:35:02   there's all sorts of wonderful things [TS]

00:35:04   like that where like many of the uses [TS]

00:35:06   that we currently use the echo for would [TS]

00:35:08   be nicer sometimes or all the time with [TS]

00:35:11   a screen now there is a fair argument to [TS]

00:35:14   be made why don't you just put an iPad [TS]

00:35:17   like right there and just use an iPad [TS]

00:35:20   all the time and enable the hey dingus [TS]

00:35:21   feature on it and and just use that and [TS]

00:35:24   that is a fair argument I have an iPad [TS]

00:35:26   that sits right next to it that I you [TS]

00:35:28   that I take around the first floor and [TS]

00:35:29   please podcast [TS]

00:35:30   while we do things but we really enjoy [TS]

00:35:33   the Amazon echo ecosystem we enjoy the [TS]

00:35:36   way the product works it works very well [TS]

00:35:38   for us to have another echo come out [TS]

00:35:41   that has a screen [TS]

00:35:43   I am willing to give Amazon the benefit [TS]

00:35:44   the doubt on this you know when the [TS]

00:35:46   first came out we all made fun of it [TS]

00:35:47   because they released this horrible [TS]

00:35:48   video and it seemed so weird and creepy [TS]

00:35:50   not to not the difference we mentioned [TS]

00:35:52   last week for from the new echo look the [TS]

00:35:54   weird like dressing-room camera thing [TS]

00:35:55   but you know I I will give them the [TS]

00:35:58   benefit the DAP because as weird as the [TS]

00:36:00   first echo seemed because they were very [TS]

00:36:02   bad at selling it or at promoting it and [TS]

00:36:05   giving us an idea of what it would be [TS]

00:36:06   like it turned out to be pretty great [TS]

00:36:08   for a lot of people myself included and [TS]

00:36:09   my family included also to point out - [TS]

00:36:12   so there have been increasing rumors and [TS]

00:36:14   increasing rumblings that Apple is [TS]

00:36:16   probably going to release something [TS]

00:36:18   similar to this rumors are that it might [TS]

00:36:20   even come as soon as like next month at [TS]

00:36:23   WTC keep in mind that if Apple does [TS]

00:36:26   something like this which would be like [TS]

00:36:27   a premium speaker with some kind of [TS]

00:36:29   screen and some kind of built-in you [TS]

00:36:31   know Siri thing how much is that going [TS]

00:36:34   to cost because this Amazon thing is 230 [TS]

00:36:37   bucks and if you might see with them you [TS]

00:36:39   get $100 off that's what I do backwards [TS]

00:36:41   I figure so I will have a say you for [TS]

00:36:44   the second one maybe four maybe we'll [TS]

00:36:46   give it to you know our parents or [TS]

00:36:48   whatever else there is no way that Apple [TS]

00:36:51   is going to release a standalone speaker [TS]

00:36:54   with a screen that is very iPad like [TS]

00:36:56   possibly for $200 like that's not going [TS]

00:36:59   to happen so this will be interesting to [TS]

00:37:02   see like you know how Apple plays in [TS]

00:37:04   this market and also again like you know [TS]

00:37:06   it's going back to previous discussions [TS]

00:37:08   about it like a lot of what makes the [TS]

00:37:10   echo so good are things that Apple's not [TS]

00:37:13   store eclis been so great at things like [TS]

00:37:15   having a really easy to use open [TS]

00:37:17   ecosystem to integrate really well with [TS]

00:37:19   it things like having a really reliable [TS]

00:37:22   voice service that is fast that is very [TS]

00:37:25   consistent that works the same way every [TS]

00:37:27   single time and here's you very very [TS]

00:37:29   well every single time these are things [TS]

00:37:31   that apples so far has struggled with so [TS]

00:37:33   we'll see how that goes but I am [TS]

00:37:35   optimistic about this this Amazon thing [TS]

00:37:37   and to have this only be like 50 bucks [TS]

00:37:41   more than the one without the screen [TS]

00:37:44   is pretty impressive and yeah so I'm [TS]

00:37:45   looking forward to when it arrives in [TS]

00:37:47   June and look it might be terrible we [TS]

00:37:49   don't know yet nobody has a review of it [TS]

00:37:50   no one no one outside of Amazon as far [TS]

00:37:52   as I know has gotten a chance to use one [TS]

00:37:54   yet but again I think Amazon's track [TS]

00:37:57   record in this particular area has [TS]

00:37:58   actually been proven to be pretty good [TS]

00:37:59   so we'll see what happens [TS]

00:38:01   you mentioned before you thought it was [TS]

00:38:03   a fair argument that buncher's have an [TS]

00:38:05   iPad in your kitchen instead of this I [TS]

00:38:06   don't think that's a particularly good [TS]

00:38:08   argument because the iPad even setting [TS]

00:38:13   aside software issues in terms of how [TS]

00:38:16   well Siri understands it can respond to [TS]

00:38:18   what you can do and how open the [TS]

00:38:19   ecosystem is for adding you know various [TS]

00:38:22   skills and actions that connect other [TS]

00:38:24   devices in your house even just setting [TS]

00:38:25   that aside just in terms of the hardware [TS]

00:38:28   an iPad can't compete with this type of [TS]

00:38:33   device in two of the three areas that [TS]

00:38:37   are most important one speakers iPad the [TS]

00:38:41   new iPads have very good speakers but [TS]

00:38:44   this device is dedicating way more room [TS]

00:38:46   for speakers so in theory again we [TS]

00:38:48   haven't seen one of these in theory you [TS]

00:38:49   can put way way way better speakers in [TS]

00:38:52   this thing because it's just so much [TS]

00:38:53   more room for quote unquote real [TS]

00:38:55   speakers instead of very clever little [TS]

00:38:57   cavities in your skinny little thing and [TS]

00:38:59   playing audio to fill the whole kitchen [TS]

00:39:01   or whatever is an important function of [TS]

00:39:03   these types of devices and the second [TS]

00:39:06   one is microphones the iPad has I think [TS]

00:39:11   it has multiplex probably for noise [TS]

00:39:12   cancellation but I think that's to the [TS]

00:39:14   strengths of the echo is whatever weird [TS]

00:39:17   five microphone beamforming BS it does [TS]

00:39:20   to be able to you're fast how many eight [TS]

00:39:22   eight I know anyway there's way more [TS]

00:39:25   room for more microphones in this type [TS]

00:39:27   of thing and again we don't know how [TS]

00:39:28   many microphones this thing has but [TS]

00:39:30   based on the the the echos that they [TS]

00:39:32   have put out this is one of the most [TS]

00:39:34   important function of this thing is to [TS]

00:39:36   be able to hear you no matter where you [TS]

00:39:37   are and the iPad the current iPads just [TS]

00:39:39   don't dedicate that much hardware for [TS]

00:39:41   that the third area where I think it [TS]

00:39:42   feel like it can match it is in the [TS]

00:39:43   camera because you didn't mention this [TS]

00:39:44   but this doesn't just have a screen it [TS]

00:39:46   has a camera and they're selling the [TS]

00:39:47   kind of video conferencing thing who [TS]

00:39:48   knows how that will go that's a whole [TS]

00:39:50   sort of network effect the ecosystem [TS]

00:39:51   type thing we may just still end up end [TS]

00:39:54   up facetiming each other on our phones [TS]

00:39:56   I do see why they [TS]

00:39:57   added this and I think people will use [TS]

00:39:59   it just not me yeah you get one to [TS]

00:40:01   Grandma who doesn't who doesn't have an [TS]

00:40:03   iPhone doesn't know how iPhones work and [TS]

00:40:04   she can just come in front of this [TS]

00:40:05   especially the drop end feature like [TS]

00:40:07   where you don't actually where the [TS]

00:40:08   certain time where your thing is open to [TS]

00:40:10   just suddenly seeing you seeing these [TS]

00:40:12   people on the screen you know like if [TS]

00:40:14   you set this up with with relatives who [TS]

00:40:16   are not tech savvy to just to be able to [TS]

00:40:19   do video conferencing where you could [TS]

00:40:20   you could never get them to use an iPad [TS]

00:40:21   even that was too much for them if you [TS]

00:40:22   just plot this down in their counter [TS]

00:40:23   like I think that could be effective for [TS]

00:40:25   that particular purpose yeah but for [TS]

00:40:27   regular people I don't know but the [TS]

00:40:28   camera again getting back to the the [TS]

00:40:30   work all the look or the AV echo look [TS]

00:40:32   over what the hell's it call that go [TS]

00:40:34   scream was to call ago go look at go [TS]

00:40:36   show echo show that's because every one [TS]

00:40:39   things to podcast but now the other one [TS]

00:40:40   talking about the look the fashion feel [TS]

00:40:42   the worst names okay yeah that's that's [TS]

00:40:44   called the look yeah so are saying last [TS]

00:40:47   week that this this device category of [TS]

00:40:51   computing devices in your home that have [TS]

00:40:53   cameras that can see you has legs and [TS]

00:40:55   here we have within the next week [TS]

00:40:56   another device that grant from the same [TS]

00:40:58   company that puts a camera in your house [TS]

00:40:59   they could see you and does something [TS]

00:41:01   with it [TS]

00:41:02   both of them look like they have tiny [TS]

00:41:04   little you know tablet type cameras so I [TS]

00:41:08   think that's a wash in terms of the iPad [TS]

00:41:09   competing with this but I would be [TS]

00:41:12   looking for these type of devices the [TS]

00:41:16   look and the show and other things like [TS]

00:41:18   this to get increasingly sophisticated [TS]

00:41:20   cameras they can follow you that made [TS]

00:41:23   multiple cameras to synthesize an image [TS]

00:41:25   with you know depth sensors and stuff [TS]

00:41:27   like that because that's where these [TS]

00:41:29   things are going to have more sort of [TS]

00:41:30   awareness of what's going on they can [TS]

00:41:32   project sound and video to you and they [TS]

00:41:34   can be aware of where you are they can [TS]

00:41:36   hear you roam at ur where you are and [TS]

00:41:37   they could see you no matter where you [TS]

00:41:38   are as far as I can tell from this one [TS]

00:41:39   no it's easy when you're in front of it [TS]

00:41:41   and that leads me to that all the things [TS]

00:41:44   I don't like about this particular [TS]

00:41:45   hardware product like if it is a fixed [TS]

00:41:47   camera that's kind of crappy you hope [TS]

00:41:50   it'll be smarter but again cost you know [TS]

00:41:51   whatever this is the first original [TS]

00:41:53   weight this thing is homely it's not [TS]

00:41:55   it's not an attractive device yeah I [TS]

00:41:57   will agree with you on that I mean but [TS]

00:41:58   to be to be fair like the echo cylinder [TS]

00:42:01   is also not very attractive I think [TS]

00:42:03   that's pretty sleek and I think the [TS]

00:42:04   cylinder has a thing going for it would [TS]

00:42:05   be unobtrusive you could put it off the [TS]

00:42:07   side although I do there's another [TS]

00:42:08   reason why I like the [TS]

00:42:09   the Google home now that I think about [TS]

00:42:11   it because I was thinking about you know [TS]

00:42:13   if we got an echo where would I put it [TS]

00:42:14   the home is smaller than the echo and it [TS]

00:42:16   is less obtrusive in the place where I [TS]

00:42:18   have it but this you can't make this [TS]

00:42:19   unobtrusive because it has to be a place [TS]

00:42:20   where you can see the screen and it's [TS]

00:42:22   it's not particularly attractive it [TS]

00:42:25   black or white it looks kind of like a [TS]

00:42:28   sort of retro 70s piece of hardware it's [TS]

00:42:31   very it's very strange it just certainly [TS]

00:42:33   doesn't look elegant it doesn't look [TS]

00:42:34   like an Apple device anyway and it [TS]

00:42:36   doesn't you know it has kind of sort of [TS]

00:42:37   it's kind of like a Brutalism kind of [TS]

00:42:39   like a rugged you know maybe soviet-era [TS]

00:42:42   hardware yeah I guess it has has a [TS]

00:42:44   certain appeal but and then finally this [TS]

00:42:47   this thing is I can't really tell from [TS]

00:42:50   the pictures but it's slanted back in [TS]

00:42:51   all the pictures I see it's tilted [TS]

00:42:53   backwards like the shape dictates the [TS]

00:42:54   tilt it doesn't seem to have an [TS]

00:42:55   adjustable tilt and for something that [TS]

00:42:57   you're going to be looking at that's [TS]

00:42:59   going to be looking back at you that [TS]

00:43:01   seems just organically and practically [TS]

00:43:03   speaking very limiting because the echo [TS]

00:43:06   you can put literally anywhere that it [TS]

00:43:07   can hear you like high low left-right [TS]

00:43:10   just whatever it's fine this thing you [TS]

00:43:12   need sight lines and you need to be able [TS]

00:43:14   to see it and it needs to be able to see [TS]

00:43:15   you and depending on how tall you are or [TS]

00:43:18   how tall most of the people are even [TS]

00:43:19   just being able to see kids and adults [TS]

00:43:21   like how would you get that thing in a [TS]

00:43:22   position where it can both where grandma [TS]

00:43:24   can both see your you know kids that are [TS]

00:43:26   half your height and you and even just [TS]

00:43:28   if you're you know just living by [TS]

00:43:30   yourself you have to put it on a surface [TS]

00:43:33   where the camera can see you and you can [TS]

00:43:34   see the screen which just like it seemed [TS]

00:43:37   it seems like that it would have been [TS]

00:43:40   better to design this to have a little [TS]

00:43:42   bit more flexibility about angle and [TS]

00:43:44   stuff again costs I understand like you [TS]

00:43:46   can't have an adjustable stand or any [TS]

00:43:48   kind of tilt thing that is any [TS]

00:43:50   reasonable quality for this price point [TS]

00:43:51   so like I'm willing to to give a lot of [TS]

00:43:53   leeway there but this definitely it kind [TS]

00:43:57   of reminds me of the first Kindle [TS]

00:43:58   remember what a monster the first Kindle [TS]

00:43:59   was oh that was that was something but a [TS]

00:44:01   weird angular white thing with the weird [TS]

00:44:03   terrible hardware keyboard on it it's [TS]

00:44:05   like they took a lot of shots of that [TS]

00:44:07   until they kind of settled down onto [TS]

00:44:10   like the paperwhite which is kind of the [TS]

00:44:11   epitome of the old-style Kindle and now [TS]

00:44:12   they've gone by that weird things like [TS]

00:44:14   thick on one edge and thin on the other [TS]

00:44:15   they need to iterate on this one I'm [TS]

00:44:17   sure they will although I say I'm sure [TS]

00:44:18   they will but were they done to the [TS]

00:44:20   Amazon echo it's still the same black [TS]

00:44:21   cylinder it always was made [TS]

00:44:22   just nail that one on the first try but [TS]

00:44:24   I worry about the software your system [TS]

00:44:26   too because once I start get into the [TS]

00:44:27   realm of like video calling and stuff [TS]

00:44:29   like that I think it's going to be [TS]

00:44:30   difficult for them to compete with [TS]

00:44:32   FaceTime this is basically what they've [TS]

00:44:34   got here they've got their own little [TS]

00:44:34   version of FaceTime and FaceTime for all [TS]

00:44:39   of the wonkiness of like the weird [TS]

00:44:40   patent thing that costumes have the [TS]

00:44:41   restructure the way it's done and the [TS]

00:44:43   fact that Steve Jobs impulsively said it [TS]

00:44:45   was going to be opened up to the world [TS]

00:44:46   and it ever was and all the things I use [TS]

00:44:50   it for its intended purpose frequently [TS]

00:44:52   and it works you know I mean I can [TS]

00:44:54   successfully send video and audio to [TS]

00:44:56   people the only limiting factor is ever [TS]

00:44:58   crappy internet connections which is [TS]

00:45:00   really nothing you can do about right [TS]

00:45:02   because if you're trying to communicate [TS]

00:45:03   with somebody was a crappy internet [TS]

00:45:04   connection or you have a crappy internet [TS]

00:45:05   connection it's not great but it will [TS]

00:45:07   gracefully degrade to a black screen [TS]

00:45:09   with just audio and also things it [TS]

00:45:13   basically works and Amazon as far as I'm [TS]

00:45:17   aware this is kind of their first foray [TS]

00:45:18   into this I think did they do like kind [TS]

00:45:20   of video support for one of the the [TS]

00:45:22   color fire tablets maybe so maybe it's [TS]

00:45:24   not not their very first thing yes yeah [TS]

00:45:27   they had some kind of thing where it was [TS]

00:45:28   it was like a screen sharing thing where [TS]

00:45:30   you could wear like their support rep [TS]

00:45:31   could like login to your tablet and show [TS]

00:45:34   you how to do things or do things for [TS]

00:45:35   you because I see them or do they see [TS]

00:45:37   you I don't know I never I don't think [TS]

00:45:40   I've heard anybody actually using this [TS]

00:45:41   feature but they did have that kind of [TS]

00:45:43   thing and again I think this is one of [TS]

00:45:44   those things like Amazon you know [TS]

00:45:46   similar to the to the like the the drop [TS]

00:45:48   in thing was that what they call oddness [TS]

00:45:49   where you can like kind of force call [TS]

00:45:51   someone yeah it's the same as the Google [TS]

00:45:53   like knock knock thing that we thought [TS]

00:45:55   was a dangerous you know sort of thing [TS]

00:45:57   thing for abuse but this is opt-in but [TS]

00:45:58   but at least the way they're doing it [TS]

00:46:00   yeah it's like it's update its whitelist [TS]

00:46:01   only you know so and it seems like it's [TS]

00:46:03   pretty well controlled but like I do [TS]

00:46:05   give Amazon credit they have four years [TS]

00:46:07   on their tablets and other products you [TS]

00:46:10   know other like you know mainstream [TS]

00:46:11   consumer products for years they have [TS]

00:46:13   been adding features like that or like [TS]

00:46:16   very good you know [TS]

00:46:18   parental controls and like kids [TS]

00:46:19   scheduling and everything else like [TS]

00:46:21   features that that you really would [TS]

00:46:24   expect it coming like Apple to do [TS]

00:46:25   because that you know Apple so [TS]

00:46:26   considerate and innovative and cares a [TS]

00:46:29   lot about the customer experience and [TS]

00:46:30   everything Amazon has really made a lot [TS]

00:46:32   of these features over the years and and [TS]

00:46:33   they can kind of get away with it [TS]

00:46:34   because they're scale is so much [TS]

00:46:36   like they like imagine the the staffing [TS]

00:46:39   required if Apple were to do one of [TS]

00:46:42   those things or they will log in to your [TS]

00:46:43   computer with you and show you how to do [TS]

00:46:44   things like that they would never in a [TS]

00:46:46   million years be able to you know handle [TS]

00:46:48   that on any kind of scale but but Amazon [TS]

00:46:51   can do it because they're they're really [TS]

00:46:52   at a much smaller scale for most these [TS]

00:46:54   products as far as we're aware well [TS]

00:46:56   that's true there's no labels in the [TS]

00:46:58   y-axis they make a bunch of weird stuff [TS]

00:47:00   and not all of it works but it does seem [TS]

00:47:03   like III think they have they have [TS]

00:47:05   earned the benefit the doubt in that [TS]

00:47:07   some of their weird stuff is actually [TS]

00:47:09   really good it's also weird that like I [TS]

00:47:13   made a setting aside Apple which is has [TS]

00:47:15   a strange history with these type of [TS]

00:47:17   devices and just like being almost like [TS]

00:47:20   stubbornly unwilling to enter markets [TS]

00:47:22   even after it's proven they're they're [TS]

00:47:24   viable just because it doesn't seem big [TS]

00:47:26   enough to Apple they have different [TS]

00:47:27   plans or they're pursuing other [TS]

00:47:28   strategies and just in the meantime we [TS]

00:47:30   get nothing and now maybe they're fun [TS]

00:47:31   going to come out with one but like an [TS]

00:47:34   apple that was doing the opposite of [TS]

00:47:35   what it's actually doing the current [TS]

00:47:36   Apple is reducing the number of things [TS]

00:47:38   that it's not getting rid of the the you [TS]

00:47:39   know the the routers and reducing trying [TS]

00:47:42   to simplify its computer and phone lines [TS]

00:47:44   and you know it's it's going the other [TS]

00:47:46   direction but if it wasn't going in that [TS]

00:47:47   direction it was expanding there's a lot [TS]

00:47:49   of categories of devices that you feel [TS]

00:47:51   like Apple could make a good one up and [TS]

00:47:52   also Google both of these companies have [TS]

00:47:55   the have all the pieces to be able to [TS]

00:47:58   make a really good Bluetooth speaker a [TS]

00:48:00   really good thing that listens to you I [TS]

00:48:03   I would I would argue that I don't think [TS]

00:48:05   we have seen great hardware from Google [TS]

00:48:07   cool I mean Google hummus is fine we've [TS]

00:48:10   seen lots of things that come kind of [TS]

00:48:12   close and they always kind of fall down [TS]

00:48:15   on the support they don't follow through [TS]

00:48:17   or the products end up being delayed and [TS]

00:48:20   not shipping or they have weird [TS]

00:48:21   shortcomings or they only get an OS for [TS]

00:48:24   like six months like Google I think [TS]

00:48:26   Google has shown that they are really [TS]

00:48:28   not set up to be a company that sells [TS]

00:48:32   and supports their own hardware but they [TS]

00:48:35   don't follow through but they have all [TS]

00:48:36   the pieces to make it they have the [TS]

00:48:37   server side component they can make [TS]

00:48:38   reasonable hardware even if it's just a [TS]

00:48:40   broken part chromecast shoved in a [TS]

00:48:42   cylinder which is the Google home and [TS]

00:48:44   the chromecast for that matter like that [TS]

00:48:45   little Donnelly thing like I I agree [TS]

00:48:47   with you that the follow-through isn't [TS]

00:48:48   there but [TS]

00:48:50   they have the pieces to make it happen [TS]

00:48:52   like any company can make a Bluetooth [TS]

00:48:53   speaker but once you start connecting it [TS]

00:48:54   up to services not everybody has [TS]

00:48:55   services google has tons of services [TS]

00:48:57   Apple has enough services that you know [TS]

00:48:58   you give Siri and and Google now and so [TS]

00:49:00   like what's on the other end of this [TS]

00:49:02   making it work right and so those simple [TS]

00:49:04   categories of like wouldn't we have all [TS]

00:49:06   you know loved if Apple made a good [TS]

00:49:08   Bluetooth speaker and had been revising [TS]

00:49:10   it over the years we would all give them [TS]

00:49:12   an extra 50 bucks for the Apple one [TS]

00:49:13   because it would be nice in some way if [TS]

00:49:14   it was actually nice and the same thing [TS]

00:49:16   for you know essentially a Bluetooth [TS]

00:49:19   speaker with a screen the Siri that you [TS]

00:49:21   can ask the weather that you know like [TS]

00:49:23   the cheapest possible iPad shoved into a [TS]

00:49:25   Bluetooth speaker thing with much better [TS]

00:49:27   like Apple could have made this is what [TS]

00:49:28   I'm saying Apple could make the exact [TS]

00:49:29   echo show and who knows at WABC they may [TS]

00:49:31   announce the thing they've made that is [TS]

00:49:32   like this but better and has Marco said [TS]

00:49:34   twice is expensive whatever but they [TS]

00:49:37   haven't been participating in this [TS]

00:49:38   market at all leaving other people to [TS]

00:49:40   try all sorts of things and I supposed [TS]

00:49:43   to gain loyalty and to build their [TS]

00:49:44   ecosystems and someone is over to the [TS]

00:49:46   point where I feel like Google so what [TS]

00:49:48   happening they're like oh we should have [TS]

00:49:49   a cylinder and so they do and maybe [TS]

00:49:52   Google will try to come out with [TS]

00:49:53   something like this too and just to see [TS]

00:49:54   Apple sit on the sidelines it's it's [TS]

00:49:57   fine if they are working on the next big [TS]

00:49:58   thing but it may turn out that these [TS]

00:50:01   little things build up the next big [TS]

00:50:02   thing and if Apple's going to sit it out [TS]

00:50:04   for much longer I think it's a mistake [TS]

00:50:06   I'm curious to see what happens [TS]

00:50:09   and I'll use me as an example if it [TS]

00:50:12   let's say at WWDC they announced the the [TS]

00:50:16   Apple equivalent of this tube thing I'm [TS]

00:50:21   stumbling because I don't want to say [TS]

00:50:22   any of the like trigger words and I have [TS]

00:50:24   to have you believe them later but [TS]

00:50:25   anyway it's called the Apple Alexa hey [TS]

00:50:27   Siri yeah well you did this to yourself [TS]

00:50:29   so anyway if Apple releases a a lady in [TS]

00:50:33   a canister equivalent I'm curious to see [TS]

00:50:35   what my reaction will be because sitting [TS]

00:50:37   here now like again I don't doubt that [TS]

00:50:39   the echo is very nice and that it serves [TS]

00:50:41   a purpose for a lot of people and that [TS]

00:50:43   I've no doubt Marco that you guys use it [TS]

00:50:45   constantly and love it like that that's [TS]

00:50:46   there's nothing wrong with that me I I [TS]

00:50:49   don't feel like this is solving a [TS]

00:50:51   problem that I have my life I said that [TS]

00:50:52   many times before I'm curious as kind of [TS]

00:50:55   a litmus test to how susceptible I am to [TS]

00:50:57   whatever Apple tells me to do I'm [TS]

00:51:00   curious to see what happens if Apple [TS]

00:51:02   releases their own leading [TS]

00:51:04   canister and what my reaction is to that [TS]

00:51:07   because if I'm like well holy crap I've [TS]

00:51:09   got to have one of these how could I've [TS]

00:51:10   lived without it and it's really just a [TS]

00:51:12   echo but Apple branded then apparently I [TS]

00:51:15   really am a lemming and and it's all [TS]

00:51:17   downhill from here [TS]

00:51:18   in reality it would most likely be $300 [TS]

00:51:22   and you would say oh I don't want to buy [TS]

00:51:23   this one I'll get the next one maybe and [TS]

00:51:25   then inevitably I'll buy it anyway [TS]

00:51:26   yeah it's six months later you'll have [TS]

00:51:29   three of them speaking of a Google Alma [TS]

00:51:31   miner Google home update they added a [TS]

00:51:33   thing like let's you distinguish people [TS]

00:51:34   by voice and so they can ask for you [TS]

00:51:36   know tell me what my day is like and it [TS]

00:51:38   will tell you your calendar by directing [TS]

00:51:39   guising who you are so it's basic multi [TS]

00:51:42   user functionality unfortunately no one [TS]

00:51:45   ever asked Google home what's on their [TS]

00:51:47   calendar because it's just not a thing [TS]

00:51:49   that we do and so distinguishing us by [TS]

00:51:50   voice is not particularly useful I think [TS]

00:51:52   the only two voices and notice that this [TS]

00:51:53   thing is mine and my daughter's because [TS]

00:51:54   we are like the most frequent users but [TS]

00:51:56   all that said I continue to be impressed [TS]

00:51:58   by I mean it's basically this Google [TS]

00:52:01   search behind the scenes because I'm [TS]

00:52:02   always impressed by Google search when [TS]

00:52:04   you do when you type in something in [TS]

00:52:05   that search box and it somehow figures [TS]

00:52:07   out what you mean and gives you relevant [TS]

00:52:09   results that's the magic of Google most [TS]

00:52:13   recent one is we were talking about [TS]

00:52:15   something of dinner table and we're [TS]

00:52:18   talking about a movie and and like was [TS]

00:52:20   that release then or well you know what [TS]

00:52:22   year was that released we could ask the [TS]

00:52:25   Google home what year was the movie bla [TS]

00:52:27   bla bla released and I didn't have to [TS]

00:52:30   think about how do I have to phrase this [TS]

00:52:32   in a way they can understand I don't [TS]

00:52:33   even remember how I phrased it I just [TS]

00:52:35   asked it the same way I would ask a a [TS]

00:52:37   person with encyclopedic knowledge of [TS]

00:52:39   movie releases who's sitting in the [TS]

00:52:40   corner of the room and the thing spoke [TS]

00:52:43   out the movie bla bla was released in [TS]

00:52:45   March bla bla bla bla bla that to me is [TS]

00:52:48   still magic because a it's exactly like [TS]

00:52:53   Google search like I probably just [TS]

00:52:54   turned it into into text and typed into [TS]

00:52:57   Google search and then read me the top [TS]

00:52:58   hit or something like that but the [TS]

00:52:59   bottom line is it answered my question [TS]

00:53:01   it wasn't just like a a general purpose [TS]

00:53:04   like what's the weather what does my day [TS]

00:53:05   look like I had a specific question [TS]

00:53:07   about a movie about the release date and [TS]

00:53:08   interesting just tell me the movie and [TS]

00:53:10   list off like all the metadata let me [TS]

00:53:12   tell you everything about this movie [TS]

00:53:13   starring this person directly this [TS]

00:53:14   person releasing I had to wait for the [TS]

00:53:15   it just told me the release date of the [TS]

00:53:17   movie [TS]

00:53:17   and that I love that right and that's [TS]

00:53:21   something that I feel like you can't do [TS]

00:53:23   if you aren't backed by Google because [TS]

00:53:25   the hard part is not hearing me in [TS]

00:53:26   translating a text the hard part is [TS]

00:53:28   figuring out what did you say and what [TS]

00:53:29   did you mean and how do I answer you now [TS]

00:53:31   for all I know that's a canned thing [TS]

00:53:32   that they expect people to ask or [TS]

00:53:33   whatever but the more of those I have [TS]

00:53:35   the less I think I'm just getting lucky [TS]

00:53:37   and happening to hit upon something they [TS]

00:53:38   anticipated and especially coded support [TS]

00:53:41   for and there's just like the magic of [TS]

00:53:42   Google so what was the movie Speight I [TS]

00:53:44   don't remember I hope it was too long [TS]

00:53:47   ago but despite this by Google home I [TS]

00:53:50   feel like it's still it's still not [TS]

00:53:52   being revised as quickly as I would have [TS]

00:53:54   hoped and its capabilities not expanding [TS]

00:53:56   in the way that I hoped but just for the [TS]

00:53:58   basic functionality of answering my [TS]

00:53:59   questions let me have the dinner table [TS]

00:54:01   and quickly settling arguments it's [TS]

00:54:04   money well spent [TS]

00:54:05   all right name a movie on 4 October [TS]

00:54:08   there you go Alexa what year was the [TS]

00:54:11   Hunt for Red October released the movie [TS]

00:54:13   The Hunt for Red October was released in [TS]

00:54:15   1989 it's magic there's been a lot of [TS]

00:54:19   these queries where I will ask the echo [TS]

00:54:22   one of the you know a question like this [TS]

00:54:24   and the things that I will say will that [TS]

00:54:27   that I think there's no way that it's [TS]

00:54:29   going to be able to help me with this [TS]

00:54:30   well it didn't because it's wrong it's [TS]

00:54:32   the 2nd of March 1990 [TS]

00:54:34   really minor points morning-time DB that [TS]

00:54:39   was the American really is that [TS]

00:54:41   international versus you okay we'll hold [TS]

00:54:43   on though lately when I thought to [TS]

00:54:45   myself that didn't sound right to me [TS]

00:54:47   you can ask similar questions about [TS]

00:54:49   albums and songs and an artist or who [TS]

00:54:52   sings the song whatever and all the [TS]

00:54:54   lyrics search where you can name any [TS]

00:54:55   lyrics in the song and it will figure it [TS]

00:54:57   out I mean there's a lot of overlap [TS]

00:54:58   between these things but like that that [TS]

00:55:00   I think is amazing and like ask the same [TS]

00:55:02   question say you know what is the [TS]

00:55:04   release date for what year was it [TS]

00:55:06   released you know when was it put out [TS]

00:55:09   like just try different phrasings and [TS]

00:55:10   see like eventually if you can stump it [TS]

00:55:12   but it's pretty good well but basically [TS]

00:55:13   so my point is I have asked it questions [TS]

00:55:16   like this a number of times thinking [TS]

00:55:18   that it would get it wrong the thinking [TS]

00:55:19   that there would there be no chance [TS]

00:55:21   that'll get it right and it gets it [TS]

00:55:23   right about maybe 2/3 to 3/4 of the time [TS]

00:55:26   when I ask a weird question like that [TS]

00:55:27   which is not only better than I expect [TS]

00:55:31   but but is probably fairly similar to [TS]

00:55:34   most of these things he probably even [TS]

00:55:35   fairly similar how many how often Google [TS]

00:55:37   gets it right like in my experience the [TS]

00:55:39   the accuracy of search results between [TS]

00:55:43   different search engines lately like I [TS]

00:55:45   still use DuckDuckGo as my primary [TS]

00:55:46   search engine Google like it turns out [TS]

00:55:50   this this kind of stuff is actually not [TS]

00:55:52   that rare to be decent at like there it [TS]

00:55:55   is not just Google that can do these [TS]

00:55:57   things like it is possible for other [TS]

00:56:00   companies it you know in the case of [TS]

00:56:02   like DuckDuckGo way smaller companies to [TS]

00:56:04   be able to be competent at search just [TS]

00:56:08   not Apple most of the time unfortunately [TS]

00:56:10   but it is very possible for other [TS]

00:56:12   companies [TS]

00:56:12   remember Amazon had its own search where [TS]

00:56:14   was I called a three it was called Alexa [TS]

00:56:17   oh no yeah no Alex it was the rank right [TS]

00:56:19   a three right eight a nine was was their [TS]

00:56:22   search engine but it was anyway there's [TS]

00:56:24   not a lot of them is Bing there's [TS]

00:56:25   DuckDuckGo there's Google there's a 9 [TS]

00:56:28   which Raleigh no still exists Apple has [TS]

00:56:29   never dipped its toe into this field I [TS]

00:56:31   don't think they need to be that many [TS]

00:56:32   people especially if it's like App Store [TS]

00:56:34   Coffea level can't start to domain way [TS]

00:56:37   smaller than the web in an efficient [TS]

00:56:39   manner well I look see researches things [TS]

00:56:42   right see like especially like on in in [TS]

00:56:43   context like Apple TV or Apple music [TS]

00:56:46   like well from Alfre know the Apple TV [TS]

00:56:47   at Rosalie it's searching libraries of [TS]

00:56:49   content you know and and the App Store [TS]

00:56:51   is really just a really big version of [TS]

00:56:53   that that should be way better than it [TS]

00:56:55   is no it is not yes no it's so is it you [TS]

00:56:59   know just occurred to me doesn't Amazon [TS]

00:57:01   own IMDB now yeah they sure do yeah they [TS]

00:57:03   don't so how could they have gotten this [TS]

00:57:05   wrong if IMDB says it's 1990 you can't [TS]

00:57:08   find anything on the IMDB website with [TS]

00:57:10   your own eyes and hands so it's like [TS]

00:57:13   whatever it I am to be is now at work [TS]

00:57:16   hard at work obscuring the information [TS]

00:57:18   you want to know about movies because I [TS]

00:57:19   go to that website page number like just [TS]

00:57:21   who played the main character and I'm [TS]

00:57:23   just scanning and seeing I have to [TS]

00:57:25   disclose something or click on something [TS]

00:57:26   it's just tons of you know sound and [TS]

00:57:30   fury signifying nothing [TS]

00:57:31   I miss the old IMDB yeah I mean chances [TS]

00:57:34   are like the Alexa was trying to find [TS]

00:57:35   the answer on this page and just got [TS]

00:57:36   blocked by all the ads oh oh yeah what [TS]

00:57:40   one more one more thing in the echo show [TS]

00:57:42   Marco is lucky busy has a fairly [TS]

00:57:45   long kitchen I would have never infested [TS]

00:57:47   my kitchen as much as I would like to [TS]

00:57:49   have a thing like this that is I think [TS]

00:57:51   another limitation for a divide I can't [TS]

00:57:53   really tell how big it is from the [TS]

00:57:54   pictures but certainly it is both wider [TS]

00:57:56   than the echo and you can't like put it [TS]

00:57:58   behind or nestled into a corner or [TS]

00:58:00   whatever you has to be somewhere where [TS]

00:58:02   you can see it well I think it actually [TS]

00:58:03   might be fairly small because didn't [TS]

00:58:05   people say it's a seven inch screen yeah [TS]

00:58:08   maybe it's I'm its hardtail maybe it's [TS]

00:58:09   smaller than it looks like but anyway [TS]

00:58:11   you can't you can't nestle it in a [TS]

00:58:13   corner or hide it somewhere you do need [TS]

00:58:14   the space and the line of sight for the [TS]

00:58:16   thing which makes me think that it could [TS]

00:58:17   replace like a kitchen TV so if this [TS]

00:58:19   thing started getting live TV if Amazon [TS]

00:58:21   wanted to pull a YouTube what is the [TS]

00:58:24   YouTube one YouTube TV and Hulu as a [TS]

00:58:27   live TV oh everyone at Apple has a [TS]

00:58:29   skinny bundle and a live TV offering [TS]

00:58:32   that would be great thing to cooperate [TS]

00:58:34   this is people do like little TVs in [TS]

00:58:35   their kitchen to like watch cooking [TS]

00:58:36   shows or whatever with like [TS]

00:58:38   voice-activated DVR functionality they [TS]

00:58:40   already showed like hooking cooking up [TS]

00:58:41   to your like a you know baby cam to show [TS]

00:58:43   your baby and your crib and stuff the [TS]

00:58:45   potential for a smart screen with good [TS]

00:58:49   speakers and a camera that's internet [TS]

00:58:51   connected with good software in your [TS]

00:58:52   kitchen that feels like a fruitful like [TS]

00:58:55   it's a device that has been made a [TS]

00:58:57   million times over if you're old and [TS]

00:58:58   remember all like the the Audrey or the [TS]

00:59:01   that three come the maybe that's the [TS]

00:59:04   Audrey that I'm thinking of but that [TS]

00:59:05   Sony is made with Sony was it the evil I [TS]

00:59:07   don't know this there's been tons of [TS]

00:59:09   like things like this and they were just [TS]

00:59:12   then we're going to say they were ahead [TS]

00:59:13   of their time they were ahead of the [TS]

00:59:15   tech they weren't ready there was no [TS]

00:59:16   ecosystem there wasn't the smart search [TS]

00:59:18   behind it there wasn't a speech [TS]

00:59:19   recognition there wasn't so often there [TS]

00:59:21   wasn't the internet for the really old [TS]

00:59:22   ones I feel like the time is now and I [TS]

00:59:26   really hope that we see more of these [TS]

00:59:28   devices from from the big the big three [TS]

00:59:31   or four however many however you want to [TS]

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01:00:19   know like you normally need it in a [TS]

01:00:20   checked bag so they don't put it in that [TS]

01:00:21   one but in the carry-on you're going to [TS]

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01:01:28   [Music] [TS]

01:01:31   all right so somebody has put something [TS]

01:01:33   that I find actually somewhat terrifying [TS]

01:01:35   in the show notes the show notes reads [TS]

01:01:38   brief quiz I saw that earlier too and [TS]

01:01:43   got a little bit scared of what I I knew [TS]

01:01:45   immediately that it was John I mean come [TS]

01:01:47   on yeah there was an article going [TS]

01:01:50   around that hopefully you two were too [TS]

01:01:52   busy this evening to read and follow the [TS]

01:01:53   link for that involves a brief quiz that [TS]

01:01:57   I think we should all take I have [TS]

01:01:58   already taken it takes two seconds [TS]

01:02:01   and so I will paste the URL into the [TS]

01:02:04   chat room now what it is a thing that [TS]

01:02:07   asks you to make a bunch of selections [TS]

01:02:09   so just don't read the article don't [TS]

01:02:11   scroll down just go to [TS]

01:02:12   part where you make the selections and [TS]

01:02:14   make the selections do not share your [TS]

01:02:15   comments and then we've all done it come [TS]

01:02:18   back and we will discuss our choices so [TS]

01:02:20   here you guys in the chat room okay so [TS]

01:02:22   what the hell is alphabet that's Google [TS]

01:02:25   right Google's parent that's Google if [TS]

01:02:28   an evil monarch forced you to choose in [TS]

01:02:30   which order would you give up these [TS]

01:02:32   inescapable Giants of text so okay I'm [TS]

01:02:35   done well I give me I gotta think about [TS]

01:02:37   this for a second easy-peasy people yeah [TS]

01:02:39   Casey's got a mullet over just a little [TS]

01:02:43   yell done yes [TS]

01:02:45   all right so now I will explain the [TS]

01:02:47   premise they list the big tech companies [TS]

01:02:50   alphabet basically Google Apple [TS]

01:02:51   Microsoft Facebook and Amazon and asks [TS]

01:02:54   you and what are you would you be [TS]

01:02:55   willing to give them up so if there's [TS]

01:02:56   one company that you're like I don't [TS]

01:02:58   care if that company goes away tomorrow [TS]

01:02:59   that's obviously your number one pick [TS]

01:03:00   you'd pick that one and like and you [TS]

01:03:02   keep working your way down at the end [TS]

01:03:03   you'll be left with the company you [TS]

01:03:04   would least like to see depart this [TS]

01:03:06   earth like if they just disappeared or [TS]

01:03:07   whatever so who wants to go first what [TS]

01:03:10   what uh well let's just let's go through [TS]

01:03:13   our let's do top four style okay first [TS]

01:03:15   of all the question of like how many [TS]

01:03:16   people do you think arrived at this [TS]

01:03:19   article and knew what alphabet was and [TS]

01:03:21   then every time they mention it they [TS]

01:03:24   have to say the parent company of Google [TS]

01:03:26   because nobody knows what that is [TS]

01:03:28   because Google is so bad at everything [TS]

01:03:31   branding wise everything human they [TS]

01:03:33   can't do I would have just called it [TS]

01:03:36   Google but yes Lee uses the Google brand [TS]

01:03:38   and I don't think can you think of [TS]

01:03:40   something that is in alpha but not in [TS]

01:03:41   Google that you care about like S&S [TS]

01:03:42   stuff or something anyway let's let's [TS]

01:03:45   now do our number one choice they're [TS]

01:03:47   backwards top for the company that we [TS]

01:03:49   would all be willing to get rid of first [TS]

01:03:51   I'm willing to bet we all have the same [TS]

01:03:52   one for this one yes Facebook Facebook [TS]

01:03:55   nope whoa no all right what did you pick [TS]

01:03:58   Microsoft Microsoft hmm what is [TS]

01:04:02   Microsoft done for me lately and by [TS]

01:04:03   lately I mean in the last year no more [TS]

01:04:05   than that well they did like provide [TS]

01:04:07   your livelihood for many years right [TS]

01:04:09   okay yeah that's why I said only in the [TS]

01:04:11   last year and you're absolutely right [TS]

01:04:13   yeah but now you have a grudge like it [TS]

01:04:15   in the style I am Mike [TS]

01:04:17   figure edge no no no I will never be a [TS]

01:04:19   grudge day well no it will never be [TS]

01:04:21   grunts like you but you know uh what is [TS]

01:04:23   Microsoft done for me lately nothing [TS]

01:04:25   really I mean I do love Visual Studio [TS]

01:04:26   code yes people are mentioning Visual [TS]

01:04:28   Studio for the Mac but that's just a [TS]

01:04:30   rebranded xamarin develop monodevelop [TS]

01:04:32   whatever it's called I don't think that [TS]

01:04:34   there's anything that Microsoft has [TS]

01:04:37   given me in the last eight days 12 to 18 [TS]

01:04:40   months that really affects me day-to-day [TS]

01:04:43   and maybe I'm just missing something but [TS]

01:04:45   I do get some value out of Facebook [TS]

01:04:48   believe it or not whereas I don't think [TS]

01:04:50   IG actively get any value out of [TS]

01:04:52   Microsoft today what value do you get at [TS]

01:04:53   Facebook [TS]

01:04:54   oh shit Instagram oh shoot I didn't mean [TS]

01:04:58   that at all oh that might change my tune [TS]

01:05:01   yeah I just wrote but let's see I can't [TS]

01:05:03   throw Microsoft under the bus either [TS]

01:05:04   because I use their keyboard ha ha and [TS]

01:05:06   also they own sky which were you which [TS]

01:05:09   we don't love but we use it every week [TS]

01:05:11   and there's nothing good to replace it [TS]

01:05:12   these are all hard choices i factored [TS]

01:05:15   this into my choice for Facebook is [TS]

01:05:16   number one [TS]

01:05:17   despite oculus which you also forgot [TS]

01:05:19   about and Instagram or whatever that [TS]

01:05:21   Facebook is the one I get rid of and [TS]

01:05:24   rehab is evil monarch it doesn't [TS]

01:05:26   necessarily say which one of these [TS]

01:05:27   affects you that so that's the framing [TS]

01:05:29   device that you're bringing to it [TS]

01:05:30   Casey's decided the way he's going to [TS]

01:05:31   pick this is like which one effects his [TS]

01:05:33   life but there are many other factors [TS]

01:05:35   that you use in determining which one do [TS]

01:05:36   you want to depart this earth magically [TS]

01:05:38   and Facebook I want to depart for so [TS]

01:05:40   many reasons [TS]

01:05:41   despite Instagram which I enjoy and [TS]

01:05:42   despite oculus which may or may not be [TS]

01:05:44   an interesting thing that I used some [TS]

01:05:46   day that almost everything else they do [TS]

01:05:49   i don't like and i believe that the need [TS]

01:05:52   they fill could be filled equally or [TS]

01:05:56   better by some other company if they [TS]

01:05:58   were to just poof out of existence so [TS]

01:05:59   facebook is my number one i don't like [TS]

01:06:01   them yeah I'm going to stick with that [TS]

01:06:02   to Eve as much as I love Instagram it it [TS]

01:06:06   is like the other things on this list [TS]

01:06:08   are more important to me and the [TS]

01:06:12   omission of Facebook from the world I [TS]

01:06:14   think I agree with you I think would [TS]

01:06:16   have a better effect on the world not [TS]

01:06:18   just me then then the removal of any [TS]

01:06:21   other ones here Flickr could rise again [TS]

01:06:23   to fill the Instagram if Instagram [TS]

01:06:24   didn't exist I feel like something else [TS]

01:06:25   would have done a similar thing because [TS]

01:06:27   what it does is not as revolutionary as [TS]

01:06:29   the [TS]

01:06:29   that it was able to do it and gather [TS]

01:06:31   this network of people and so on and so [TS]

01:06:33   forth I mean honestly it's kind of [TS]

01:06:34   amazing that tumblr didn't do that and I [TS]

01:06:36   know I'm biased here but it was I [TS]

01:06:38   looking back on it I think that tumblr [TS]

01:06:41   had a big opportunity to be what [TS]

01:06:43   Instagram was but their timing to mobile [TS]

01:06:45   was all wrong because you know it was [TS]

01:06:47   similar cases what would almost made [TS]

01:06:51   Facebook pretty irrelevant in the mobile [TS]

01:06:52   age is that like when you have like a [TS]

01:06:54   big like desktop browser web service [TS]

01:06:57   it's hard when mobile comes around to [TS]

01:06:59   realize that you have to change [TS]

01:07:00   everything and be mobile first Facebook [TS]

01:07:03   realized it almost too late [TS]

01:07:05   tumblr got it got it on it eventually [TS]

01:07:07   too but by that point like a lot of the [TS]

01:07:08   ground was already taken and including [TS]

01:07:10   things against a gram alright so number [TS]

01:07:13   two Facebook yeah for me is Microsoft [TS]

01:07:16   obviously I saw for me as well and you [TS]

01:07:19   know like you know like pieces they [TS]

01:07:21   haven't done a lot for me recently [TS]

01:07:22   however again these companies are all [TS]

01:07:24   really big they do own a lot of stuff [TS]

01:07:26   like you know none of us had anything [TS]

01:07:28   nice except for Casey had anything nice [TS]

01:07:29   to say about about the Facebook product [TS]

01:07:31   itself but Instagram is owned by it so [TS]

01:07:34   we have to consider that oculus think [TS]

01:07:35   things like that [TS]

01:07:36   with Microsoft they own a lot of stuff [TS]

01:07:38   too as a dimension they own Skype we're [TS]

01:07:40   all using Skype right now and as much as [TS]

01:07:41   we hate it there's there's no clear [TS]

01:07:44   better thing for podcasters to use [TS]

01:07:46   except whatever the Germans are using [TS]

01:07:48   with that studio link thing but I don't [TS]

01:07:50   know anything about that I can't read [TS]

01:07:51   German I can't understand the page and [TS]

01:07:52   it looks like it's some kind of weird [TS]

01:07:53   plugin for another app I don't use so [TS]

01:07:55   well well well I guess I'll figure out [TS]

01:07:57   some other time hope but so far so far [TS]

01:07:59   you can still use Google Translate [TS]

01:08:01   because you haven't got rid of Google [TS]

01:08:03   yet so yeah right I actually did use [TS]

01:08:06   that to read the day I opened the page [TS]

01:08:07   in chrome so I could use the built-in [TS]

01:08:09   Translate but but yeah ultimately [TS]

01:08:12   Microsoft doesn't have a large role in [TS]

01:08:16   my life so that would be my number two [TS]

01:08:19   and it's not I don't really like I don't [TS]

01:08:21   really dislike Microsoft I kind of feel [TS]

01:08:24   bad for them these days because they're [TS]

01:08:25   playing catch-up on so many major [TS]

01:08:27   important fronts in the industry [TS]

01:08:29   but they just don't provide a lot of [TS]

01:08:32   value for me compared to the other ones [TS]

01:08:34   above it on this list [TS]

01:08:35   I picked Microsoft for a bunch of [TS]

01:08:38   reasons most of which are not evil [TS]

01:08:41   grudges there is evil grudge in the back [TS]

01:08:42   of my mind [TS]

01:08:42   but I can think of a lot of reasons why [TS]

01:08:44   I actually wouldn't want them to go away [TS]

01:08:46   which is why they're not number one Xbox [TS]

01:08:48   even though I don't like it is an [TS]

01:08:50   important counterbalance to PlayStation [TS]

01:08:52   it's only real competitor in the same [TS]

01:08:54   sort of level playing field because [TS]

01:08:55   Nintendo is always off doing its own [TS]

01:08:57   weird things so I think it's good that [TS]

01:08:58   it exists that they did by Bungie which [TS]

01:09:01   will wait them for forever but on the [TS]

01:09:03   other hand we would not have the Bungie [TS]

01:09:06   that we have today if it was not for [TS]

01:09:07   Microsoft right so there's some credit [TS]

01:09:09   there the cloud stuff they're doing I [TS]

01:09:11   think is interesting and again is a [TS]

01:09:12   counterbalance to both Amazon and Google [TS]

01:09:15   and so I'd like to see more competition [TS]

01:09:17   there but I don't like Word or Excel or [TS]

01:09:21   office I think all this program the [TS]

01:09:22   world will be better if those programs [TS]

01:09:24   disappeared and we should you know again [TS]

01:09:26   what come up with modern alternatives [TS]

01:09:27   there dinosaurs we can't get rid of them [TS]

01:09:29   because they've always been here and you [TS]

01:09:30   know like it's a self-perpetuating cycle [TS]

01:09:32   and you know the all those products I [TS]

01:09:36   listed I either don't use them or would [TS]

01:09:39   love to use something else so I don't I [TS]

01:09:40   don't say goodbye to them with a grudge [TS]

01:09:42   but out of this group they are my number [TS]

01:09:44   two all right [TS]

01:09:46   so number three Google for me yep dead [TS]

01:09:49   oh there excuse me I selected alphabet [TS]

01:09:52   whatever that means but I'm gonna say it [TS]

01:09:53   means Google and this is again tricky [TS]

01:09:57   because this includes things like [TS]

01:09:58   YouTube which is you know that's a major [TS]

01:09:59   I didn't consider that I think I think I [TS]

01:10:02   stick by it [TS]

01:10:03   but that's the thing all of these [TS]

01:10:05   companies they have major acquisitions [TS]

01:10:07   and major properties that you don't [TS]

01:10:09   think of necessarily but you know Google [TS]

01:10:11   owns YouTube and that's a major thing [TS]

01:10:15   so that will you know that's hard to [TS]

01:10:19   give up in a lot of ways for a lot of [TS]

01:10:21   people and that but like you know there [TS]

01:10:24   are other ways to find videos online [TS]

01:10:26   just none of them are very big I guess [TS]

01:10:29   but that doesn't mean somebody else [TS]

01:10:30   couldn't make one I don't know it's it's [TS]

01:10:32   a weird calculus but you know I don't [TS]

01:10:35   use Google's Web Apps for anything other [TS]

01:10:37   than the show notes for this show which [TS]

01:10:39   we could you know we've again we decided [TS]

01:10:42   that's the best for us to just use [TS]

01:10:44   Google Docs for our share notes for the [TS]

01:10:46   show but there are other options you [TS]

01:10:48   know the we've all decided they aren't [TS]

01:10:51   as good but we could go to one of them [TS]

01:10:53   and I don't use Google web search the [TS]

01:10:56   vast majority of [TS]

01:10:56   time I'm almost always using DuckDuckGo [TS]

01:10:58   I only occasionally jump into Google [TS]

01:11:00   when I'm not finding the answer I want [TS]

01:11:01   so it's that would be fairly easy for me [TS]

01:11:04   but for a lot of other people that would [TS]

01:11:05   be really hard because they they have a [TS]

01:11:07   lot of tie ins to things like Gmail that [TS]

01:11:09   are really important to them so it's [TS]

01:11:11   kind of easy one for me to say Google [TS]

01:11:12   but I wouldn't think that would be very [TS]

01:11:13   common I did not say Google I said [TS]

01:11:16   Amazon interesting you know as we were [TS]

01:11:19   talking I started to wonder if me [TS]

01:11:22   choosing Google for number three was a [TS]

01:11:24   poor choice because specifically of [TS]

01:11:26   youtube i I don't contribute to YouTube [TS]

01:11:29   very often although I have once but I I [TS]

01:11:33   feel like I am on YouTube almost every [TS]

01:11:36   day to look at something or look up [TS]

01:11:38   something or something like that so my [TS]

01:11:40   answer was to put Google as number 3 but [TS]

01:11:45   I wonder if maybe I should have swapped [TS]

01:11:47   that with Amazon so how did you land on [TS]

01:11:49   Amazon as the next one to go John well [TS]

01:11:52   Google stuff that Google does is you [TS]

01:11:56   know going back to the Casey framing of [TS]

01:11:58   like these things that are important you [TS]

01:11:59   like to use I use it for my email there [TS]

01:12:02   is no alternative for a gmail that has [TS]

01:12:04   the same properties like I don't like [TS]

01:12:06   something my own server using IMAP is [TS]

01:12:08   not the same as Gmail I am a gmail user [TS]

01:12:10   at this point not an email user I use [TS]

01:12:12   Google search all the time and I the [TS]

01:12:16   alternatives are differently able to do [TS]

01:12:20   things but I'm used to the way Google [TS]

01:12:22   works and I just use it so extensively [TS]

01:12:23   that I wouldn't want to have to try to [TS]

01:12:25   get you something else [TS]

01:12:26   YouTube was a big factor in my decision [TS]

01:12:27   as well I spend a lot of time watching [TS]

01:12:30   YouTube videos and I believe that it's [TS]

01:12:33   not a matter of if they went away [TS]

01:12:34   someone else can make a video a service [TS]

01:12:36   because even before Google owned YouTube [TS]

01:12:39   YouTube is very good at what it what it [TS]

01:12:41   does in terms of you know making video [TS]

01:12:43   that plays when you hit the play button [TS]

01:12:45   that the recommendation engine to [TS]

01:12:47   figuring out things you might be [TS]

01:12:48   interested in and you know there's all [TS]

01:12:49   sorts of terrible things about YouTube [TS]

01:12:50   as well inevitably is the big dominant [TS]

01:12:53   player in a field but I think they do a [TS]

01:12:54   good job of what they do and if you know [TS]

01:12:59   Google went away tomorrow it would take [TS]

01:13:02   a long time for those ecosystems to [TS]

01:13:03   reform around what another set of [TS]

01:13:05   services so I wouldn't want to say [TS]

01:13:07   goodbye to as well and [TS]

01:13:09   all the other stuff that Google does all [TS]

01:13:10   the wacky things that it does for the [TS]

01:13:12   most part I like them the translation [TS]

01:13:15   engine that was translating a German web [TS]

01:13:16   page for you Google has really good [TS]

01:13:18   translation and it gets better all the [TS]

01:13:20   time all their weird projects with [TS]

01:13:22   hot-air balloons and Wi-Fi and [TS]

01:13:24   self-driving cars and like I love all [TS]

01:13:26   that stuff about Google and I think the [TS]

01:13:28   world would be lesser for them not to be [TS]

01:13:30   there so that's why an Amazon why would [TS]

01:13:33   I pick Amazon as my number three Amazon [TS]

01:13:38   is great I use it like crazy like that [TS]

01:13:39   that's what I was thinking about like if [TS]

01:13:41   Amazon one way where would I order all [TS]

01:13:42   my stuff because I order so much stuff [TS]

01:13:44   from there right but I've used other [TS]

01:13:48   places that sell you stuff over the [TS]

01:13:51   internet and they're not that much worse [TS]

01:13:53   than Amazon now maybe they don't have as [TS]

01:13:55   much selection and maybe they don't have [TS]

01:13:56   as cheap shipping and so on and so forth [TS]

01:13:58   I live beg to differ here I've used [TS]

01:14:02   enough of them to know I mean even just [TS]

01:14:04   like a simple is like when I you know [TS]

01:14:06   camera stuff I can buy from Amazon or I [TS]

01:14:08   can buy it from B&H photo and bnh photo [TS]

01:14:10   is not a Titan of the internet industry [TS]

01:14:12   but it's fine lens rentals comm is not [TS]

01:14:14   Amazon but but it was fine you know like [TS]

01:14:17   but I've I bought enough stuff online [TS]

01:14:19   from non Amazon places that I feel like [TS]

01:14:21   I could live with that [TS]

01:14:22   and often my defaulting of Amazon that [TS]

01:14:26   we all do like I go to buy somewhere [TS]

01:14:27   let's go to Amazon that defaulting runs [TS]

01:14:29   me to trouble more often these days [TS]

01:14:31   because I will accept Amazon selection [TS]

01:14:35   as well Amazon does it have it must not [TS]

01:14:37   exist which is not true or if Alison has [TS]

01:14:39   a price it must be a reasonable price [TS]

01:14:41   which is not true sometimes something on [TS]

01:14:42   Amazon is insanely highly priced and you [TS]

01:14:45   need to do some comparisons elsewhere [TS]

01:14:46   for a variety of weird reason so I do [TS]

01:14:49   use it I do value and rely on the [TS]

01:14:51   service but I believe that it is not as [TS]

01:14:54   impressive and because I don't have an [TS]

01:14:56   echo and don't do I'm not in that [TS]

01:14:57   ecosystem either and also I believe that [TS]

01:15:00   other people can do similar things [TS]

01:15:01   it was my number three was this was [TS]

01:15:03   probably my most difficult choice [TS]

01:15:04   between these two Amazon and an alphabet [TS]

01:15:07   slash Google but I came down on Amazon [TS]

01:15:10   interesting alright so that makes number [TS]

01:15:14   four next is that right see this is [TS]

01:15:16   where I picked Amazon for my number four [TS]

01:15:19   I saved it for this same here you know [TS]

01:15:21   my reasoning [TS]

01:15:23   for saving it for so long throughout [TS]

01:15:24   this this elimination is basically that [TS]

01:15:27   you know there are lots of places like [TS]

01:15:29   you know you mentioned B and H there are [TS]

01:15:31   lots of other online retailers for the [TS]

01:15:33   and by the way again Amazon owns a lot [TS]

01:15:35   of stuff including if you're a [TS]

01:15:37   programmer AWS which is kind of [TS]

01:15:39   important for a lot of stacks and and [TS]

01:15:42   not always easy to replace the [TS]

01:15:44   components you're using depending on [TS]

01:15:45   what you're using but anyway for retail [TS]

01:15:48   alone whenever I buy anything from other [TS]

01:15:51   places I very often wish I would have [TS]

01:15:54   bought it from Amazon for various [TS]

01:15:56   reasons there's a lot of parts of it [TS]

01:15:59   that other people can do reasonably well [TS]

01:16:01   sometimes but it's rare that you get any [TS]

01:16:03   other vendor anywhere else online that [TS]

01:16:06   has the the combination of everything [TS]

01:16:09   ends on offers and and this is not only [TS]

01:16:11   like the the kind of fundamentals of [TS]

01:16:13   buying stuff online which is you know [TS]

01:16:16   get it for a good price I mean now a lot [TS]

01:16:18   of places offer the same price on things [TS]

01:16:20   as Amazon or similar price close enough [TS]

01:16:21   pricing but also be able to ship to you [TS]

01:16:23   quickly and for not that much money and [TS]

01:16:27   be able to accept returns really easily [TS]

01:16:30   if it doesn't work out for you if it [TS]

01:16:32   arrives broken be able to provide you [TS]

01:16:36   know basic order tracking and things [TS]

01:16:38   like that many of the other online [TS]

01:16:41   retail things that are that are good [TS]

01:16:43   amazon actually owns them things like [TS]

01:16:46   Zappos and SOCOM which is now merged [TS]

01:16:50   into Amazon diapers.com all this stuff [TS]

01:16:53   like a lot of those things that Amazon [TS]

01:16:54   actually owns them all so it would it [TS]

01:16:56   would rule out a bunch of that stuff and [TS]

01:16:58   it's also just really nice to have [TS]

01:17:00   somewhere where like I've been buying [TS]

01:17:01   large quantities of things from Amazon [TS]

01:17:04   for so many years now for well over a [TS]

01:17:07   decade now that I can go back and search [TS]

01:17:10   my order history whenever I need to know [TS]

01:17:12   what was that thing I bought or when did [TS]

01:17:15   I buy this thing that might be about to [TS]

01:17:16   break and I want to know how long it's [TS]

01:17:18   Warren T is like when did I buy this how [TS]

01:17:20   much should I pay for it back then you [TS]

01:17:22   know how do I you know if I want to get [TS]

01:17:24   another one of these things because the [TS]

01:17:25   one I have just wore out or broke or ran [TS]

01:17:27   out or whatever [TS]

01:17:28   what exactly was that so I can just go [TS]

01:17:30   buy the same thing again Amazon is great [TS]

01:17:32   when you have a big history like that [TS]

01:17:33   and so there are there are other than [TS]

01:17:36   there's other retailers that that [TS]

01:17:37   provides some of these parts but to have [TS]

01:17:40   it all in one place like Amazon is is [TS]

01:17:41   really very very convenient there are [TS]

01:17:44   lots of things about Amazon retail that [TS]

01:17:45   is that are bad things like you know the [TS]

01:17:48   conditions in their warehouses or for [TS]

01:17:50   some friends for some other workers like [TS]

01:17:51   there have been various reports over [TS]

01:17:53   time about how those aren't those are [TS]

01:17:54   less than great so it's not it's not [TS]

01:17:57   wonderful in always being a seller on [TS]

01:18:00   Amazon apparently has a lot of issues [TS]

01:18:03   because of things like they're [TS]

01:18:04   incredibly overly generous return policy [TS]

01:18:06   for the for the customer which is very [TS]

01:18:08   problematic for a lot of the sellers but [TS]

01:18:11   for the most part as a user of Amazon I [TS]

01:18:14   really really greatly greatly enjoy it [TS]

01:18:17   again it isn't perfect like they're like [TS]

01:18:19   for example I recently got a need to get [TS]

01:18:22   a a SanDisk memory card a fairly fast [TS]

01:18:24   decent one that was like 60 bucks and [TS]

01:18:27   any memory card is kind of a risk to buy [TS]

01:18:30   from Amazon because they have such a [TS]

01:18:32   problem with counterfeit products being [TS]

01:18:34   in their stock and memory cards are very [TS]

01:18:36   commonly counterfeited so anything like [TS]

01:18:38   that I'll buy from B&H because they're [TS]

01:18:40   they're much more reliable on that in [TS]

01:18:41   that in that way and things like pro [TS]

01:18:44   audio gear I'll buy from B&H most of [TS]

01:18:46   time too but like for the with the with [TS]

01:18:48   those few exceptions anything I can buy [TS]

01:18:51   from Amazon I usually will buy from [TS]

01:18:53   Amazon which is a Charles remember AWS [TS]

01:18:57   s3 ec2 and all the other services that [TS]

01:18:59   Amazon that's powering tons of star ups [TS]

01:19:02   I know there are equivalent cloud [TS]

01:19:03   offerings from Microsoft in Google but [TS]

01:19:06   if they were to disappear the next day [TS]

01:19:07   we're probably kill like half the [TS]

01:19:08   internet startups and a bunch of other [TS]

01:19:10   companies like it was like when as three [TS]

01:19:11   goes down you find out how many [TS]

01:19:12   companies are relying on it so it is a [TS]

01:19:14   tough one but yeah I I had a number [TS]

01:19:17   three instead of number four you never [TS]

01:19:19   and I had Google in them before but I [TS]

01:19:20   already talked about that [TS]

01:19:21   fair enough so we all chose Apple last [TS]

01:19:24   yeah I mean surprise like obviously [TS]

01:19:27   we're going to do that but I suppose [TS]

01:19:28   this is a good litmus test for this quiz [TS]

01:19:31   doesn't give you much doesn't give you [TS]

01:19:34   much guidance you could use any criteria [TS]

01:19:36   you want to remove it and we're all [TS]

01:19:37   talking about different things we [TS]

01:19:38   thought about but I I would guess that [TS]

01:19:39   for for the reason we kept to Google or [TS]

01:19:41   Apple until last is mostly based on the [TS]

01:19:45   fact that we use Macs and [TS]

01:19:47   iOS devices so it's suddenly a very [TS]

01:19:49   personal decision I get that factored in [TS]

01:19:51   like oh I use Gmail or I already lots of [TS]

01:19:53   stuff from Amazon or you know I get some [TS]

01:19:56   value from Facebook and not from [TS]

01:19:57   Microsoft cuz I don't use their stuff [TS]

01:19:58   but for Apple I think would actually be [TS]

01:20:01   harder to argue about like if Apple is [TS]

01:20:06   gone no one will be able to do X right I [TS]

01:20:08   think at least for me it more comes down [TS]

01:20:10   to I use them like the Mac and there is [TS]

01:20:14   no alternative that I would want to use [TS]

01:20:15   and I use them like iOS devices and [TS]

01:20:17   there's probably no alternative that I [TS]

01:20:19   would want to use and so I don't want [TS]

01:20:21   those things to go away for me it is [TS]

01:20:23   less about if Apple is gone they'll [TS]

01:20:26   never be self-driving cars because [TS]

01:20:28   that's not true if Apple is gone no one [TS]

01:20:30   will ever make VR a are not true like if [TS]

01:20:32   Apple is gone no one will ever make a [TS]

01:20:34   you know a handheld touch operating [TS]

01:20:36   system again actually we have those now [TS]

01:20:37   you know so it's not it's not based on [TS]

01:20:39   future stuff like I think in the past if [TS]

01:20:41   we were sort of in the in the beginning [TS]

01:20:43   phases like just after the iPod and when [TS]

01:20:46   Apple was making a series of you know [TS]

01:20:48   computers that were really impressive [TS]

01:20:50   and weird and you know setting the world [TS]

01:20:52   on fire and then the iPod the surprise [TS]

01:20:54   success the surprise overnight five-year [TS]

01:20:56   success I think I would have said at [TS]

01:21:00   that time I'm saying now before last [TS]

01:21:01   because I want to see what they do next [TS]

01:21:03   because they're just doing hit after hit [TS]

01:21:05   after hit and even the duds like the [TS]

01:21:06   cube are still awesome right you know [TS]

01:21:08   what what is that Apple going to do next [TS]

01:21:10   these days I have less of what is an [TS]

01:21:12   Apple go to do next thing and it's more [TS]

01:21:13   just like please Apple you make many [TS]

01:21:15   products that I like and enjoy that an [TS]

01:21:17   important part of my life and I wouldn't [TS]

01:21:18   like the alternatives please [TS]

01:21:20   keep making them and improving them [TS]

01:21:21   which is a lesser thing but I did save [TS]

01:21:24   it for last and for me it's for very [TS]

01:21:26   selfish reasons I mean I make my living [TS]

01:21:29   off of Apple no matter how you slice it [TS]

01:21:31   be at this show or my job' job it's all [TS]

01:21:34   because of Apple at this point so I [TS]

01:21:35   would be pretty sad and broke if he [TS]

01:21:39   disappeared for me it's all about Beats [TS]

01:21:42   I just don't want to give up my feet my [TS]

01:21:44   beats solo2 studio-x headphones don't an [TS]

01:21:49   apple music connect right is that really [TS]

01:21:51   a big part of your life yes yes [TS]

01:21:53   definitely I really love connecting with [TS]

01:21:55   my engaged I don't even know what it [TS]

01:21:58   does it's a big part of finding the [TS]

01:22:00   setting to remove that [TS]

01:22:01   your toolbar in iOS that's the best yeah [TS]

01:22:04   no I mean you know so like Casey I also [TS]

01:22:06   make my my living off of Apple stuff you [TS]

01:22:09   know whether it's through my iOS app [TS]

01:22:12   which could not exist anymore Apple went [TS]

01:22:14   away you know and you know yes overcast [TS]

01:22:17   does have a web player which is used by [TS]

01:22:20   something like 1% of the user base so [TS]

01:22:23   that's probably not much of a business [TS]

01:22:25   there granted it does suck but it's [TS]

01:22:28   still not much not much users there so [TS]

01:22:32   my living would go away or most of it at [TS]

01:22:35   least we could theoretically keep [TS]

01:22:37   podcasting and we could make money that [TS]

01:22:39   way but a large part of what we talked [TS]

01:22:41   about would go away especially if we [TS]

01:22:43   limit LIGO 5 companies look for keys [TS]

01:22:45   here we'd all be using Windows or Linux [TS]

01:22:47   and androids I think we'd have a lot of [TS]

01:22:49   things to talk about that's yeah that's [TS]

01:22:50   the spirit so that would be a problem [TS]

01:22:53   but and also I will go one step further [TS]

01:22:55   speaking of that John that you know you [TS]

01:22:58   mentioned that you know like that you [TS]

01:23:00   would that without Apple you know you [TS]

01:23:02   couldn't really say like all without [TS]

01:23:03   Apple nobody would ever do X or this [TS]

01:23:05   this thing would ever exist I would say [TS]

01:23:08   that there are many of those things in [TS]

01:23:11   practice but the one that I will point [TS]

01:23:13   out here is I think without Apple nobody [TS]

01:23:17   would ever make a great personal [TS]

01:23:19   computing platform again and there's [TS]

01:23:22   lots of reasons why and this could be a [TS]

01:23:24   bigger discussion I don't know but this [TS]

01:23:26   is part of the reason why I'm so [TS]

01:23:27   defensive of Apple continuing to make [TS]

01:23:31   Pro hardware and keeping the Mac healthy [TS]

01:23:34   because without that many slices of [TS]

01:23:39   people have to go to Windows or Linux or [TS]

01:23:41   whatever future options might come about [TS]

01:23:43   and I honestly do not believe that [TS]

01:23:47   anyone else any other company will ever [TS]

01:23:50   make a good general purpose computer [TS]

01:23:53   operating system as we know it today [TS]

01:23:54   besides Apple well you put a lot of [TS]

01:23:56   qualifiers on that because you're saying [TS]

01:23:58   as we know it like I think that if Apple [TS]

01:24:01   was to go away and you're waiting for [TS]

01:24:02   the next great one of those things it [TS]

01:24:03   would be an nos that is not quote [TS]

01:24:06   unquote as we know today like to give an [TS]

01:24:08   example from the past that didn't quite [TS]

01:24:09   do it but I feel like could have webOS [TS]

01:24:11   and remember webOS this little mess had [TS]

01:24:14   some bad idea [TS]

01:24:15   but it's not is not a desktop operating [TS]

01:24:17   system or general purpose operating [TS]

01:24:18   system as we know it right and even you [TS]

01:24:20   can even argue Android like I feel like [TS]

01:24:22   the next what you'd be waiting for is [TS]

01:24:24   the next great computing platform after [TS]

01:24:25   Android essentially because we've [TS]

01:24:27   already got Android and iOS here race [TS]

01:24:28   we've already raised Google's or Android [TS]

01:24:30   has gone and then we have raced Apple so [TS]

01:24:31   that was gone so we're left sided with [TS]

01:24:33   this void right and I feel like the next [TS]

01:24:35   thing to emerge would be more like webOS [TS]

01:24:38   iOS and Android you're right that there [TS]

01:24:40   would never be with all your qualifiers [TS]

01:24:43   a great personal computing [TS]

01:24:44   general-purpose computing platform as we [TS]

01:24:46   know it because I feel like that time [TS]

01:24:47   has passed and so it is true that we'd [TS]

01:24:49   be losing we'd be losing a category of [TS]

01:24:51   things right and that would be sad for [TS]

01:24:54   us because we're old but I would indeed [TS]

01:24:57   be a great a new great computing [TS]

01:25:00   platform it just wouldn't be [TS]

01:25:01   recognizable to us as like a [TS]

01:25:02   general-purpose computing platform I [TS]

01:25:04   mean it's surely in this day and age it [TS]

01:25:05   would be entirely like lockdown and [TS]

01:25:07   filled with an app store and also other [TS]

01:25:09   stuff exactly probably be touch based [TS]

01:25:10   that or VR based or whatever and like an [TS]

01:25:13   ad base you know no we'll see I mean I [TS]

01:25:16   thought you were gonna say privacy [TS]

01:25:17   that's what I thought you were if you [TS]

01:25:18   look at all these companies which one of [TS]

01:25:19   these even makes like most of don't even [TS]

01:25:23   make faints in the direction of privacy [TS]

01:25:25   right I mean at Google I feel like this [TS]

01:25:27   is kind of good on the security of its [TS]

01:25:29   own data but that's just so it can data [TS]

01:25:31   myself doesn't open to the outside world [TS]

01:25:33   right but Apple is the by far the [TS]

01:25:37   strongest on data privacy for you know [TS]

01:25:40   and even things like you know energy [TS]

01:25:45   sustainability and stuff like things [TS]

01:25:48   that Apple apples like apples core [TS]

01:25:50   values under Tim Cook or otherwise these [TS]

01:25:56   other companies don't express in the [TS]

01:25:57   same strong way and so data privacy [TS]

01:26:00   could be with that Apple how long would [TS]

01:26:01   it take for another company of that size [TS]

01:26:02   to actually care about the privacy [TS]

01:26:05   security your data to the point where [TS]

01:26:07   it's fighting the government to prevent [TS]

01:26:08   it from turning stuff over that is not a [TS]

01:26:11   value that is spread very far and wide [TS]

01:26:13   in tech so it would be shame to lose [TS]

01:26:14   that as well interesting quiz for sure [TS]

01:26:18   yeah so now now we can scroll down [TS]

01:26:20   anything and see what everyone else [TS]

01:26:21   picked so 57% pick Facebook is number [TS]

01:26:23   one which I think is interesting I mean [TS]

01:26:24   who knows like this is a self-selecting [TS]

01:26:26   thing who's going to click on these [TS]

01:26:27   things probably a bunch of tech nerds [TS]

01:26:28   there's a lot of hatred of Facebook [TS]

01:26:29   among tech nerds but this is the New [TS]

01:26:31   York Times by the way it's on its thing [TS]

01:26:33   so I'm thinking that maybe the audience [TS]

01:26:35   is broader then I might imagine maybe [TS]

01:26:37   it's not entirely tech nerds and the [TS]

01:26:41   what I want to believe is that it shows [TS]

01:26:44   that Facebook is popular because [TS]

01:26:45   Facebook is popular but you know people [TS]

01:26:48   don't really have that much love for it [TS]

01:26:49   right they're like you have to be on [TS]

01:26:51   Facebook because everyone's on Facebook [TS]

01:26:52   and everyone's on Facebook because I [TS]

01:26:53   runs on Facebook but not universally [TS]

01:26:57   beloved for whatever reason whether it's [TS]

01:27:00   the software platform itself or the [TS]

01:27:02   things people associate with it or the [TS]

01:27:03   resent the fact that they have to be [TS]

01:27:04   there or whatever you know Microsoft and [TS]

01:27:08   second you know Microsoft is is not on [TS]

01:27:13   the way up I'm effects on the way down [TS]

01:27:15   but it isn't it is in transition so it [TS]

01:27:17   doesn't surprise me transition down [TS]

01:27:18   Amazon third and one third kind of [TS]

01:27:22   surprises to me because I thought I [TS]

01:27:23   would think more people would frame this [TS]

01:27:25   as here's a service that I use all the [TS]

01:27:26   time if I couldn't order from Amazon but [TS]

01:27:27   maybe maybe only tech nerds with more [TS]

01:27:31   money than time water everything on [TS]

01:27:33   Amazon I don't know alphabet assuming [TS]

01:27:37   people knew what the hell that was [TS]

01:27:38   oh I'll bet is third I think people like [TS]

01:27:41   Google I think people like YouTube [TS]

01:27:42   especially YouTube I think people you [TS]

01:27:44   know in the general population don't [TS]

01:27:46   want it they just think of Google is the [TS]

01:27:48   way you search things they don't know [TS]

01:27:49   what the duck taco exists they maybe [TS]

01:27:51   heard the word Bing once googles and [TS]

01:27:53   essential thing everything is googling [TS]

01:27:55   and then YouTube if they even know where [TS]

01:27:57   the YouTube was part of it they like I'm [TS]

01:27:58   not giving up YouTube YouTube is [TS]

01:28:00   basically my TV and then Apple most [TS]

01:28:05   people wanted to drop that last because [TS]

01:28:06   I don't know like the Apple Apple [TS]

01:28:09   customer sat and brand recognition and [TS]

01:28:11   good feelings you know people have a lot [TS]

01:28:14   of good feelings about this is not a [TS]

01:28:15   strict ranking is it really just tells [TS]

01:28:17   you you know 32% chose to drop it last [TS]

01:28:19   and 26% chose to drop alphabet first so [TS]

01:28:23   it to slice and dice this data it would [TS]

01:28:25   be difficult but anyway if you look at [TS]

01:28:26   the little bar graphs at the bottom [TS]

01:28:28   Facebook drop first is just the runaway [TS]

01:28:31   winner and then drop last actually no [TS]

01:28:33   GLE was that had a higher percentage of [TS]

01:28:35   drop last so you go 40% for google and [TS]

01:28:37   32% for apple so two companies with a [TS]

01:28:40   recognizable brain [TS]

01:28:41   and that people really really like and [TS]

01:28:44   Facebook nobody likes them we are [TS]

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01:29:17   more than you might think if you haven't [TS]

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01:29:42   us or whether you are just a nerd or [TS]

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01:29:45   Squarespace makes it easy for you to do [TS]

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01:29:54   is what you get it's so incredibly easy [TS]

01:29:56   to make it look yours and to make it [TS]

01:29:59   look great and they handle all the [TS]

01:30:01   support for you they handle the hosting [TS]

01:30:03   they handle the security they handle so [TS]

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01:30:06   worry about and you can get back to [TS]

01:30:07   doing your actual project whatever [TS]

01:30:09   you're making a website to do you should [TS]

01:30:11   be focused more on that than on your [TS]

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01:30:34   Marco you want to talk to us about how [TS]

01:30:37   you don't believe in Dropbox anymore and [TS]

01:30:39   that would have been your first one to [TS]

01:30:40   go if you had the option yeah so a few [TS]

01:30:45   up maybe about a month or two ago now I [TS]

01:30:47   forget exactly when it was about a month [TS]

01:30:48   ago maybe I decided to try a life [TS]

01:30:52   without Dropbox basically I still have [TS]

01:30:55   my [TS]

01:30:55   count but I uninstalled it from all my [TS]

01:30:58   computers and and I stopped using it for [TS]

01:31:02   anything except I logged into the [TS]

01:31:04   website to download the audio files that [TS]

01:31:05   you guys give me every week for this [TS]

01:31:07   podcast and because and there were a [TS]

01:31:10   number of reasons why I wanted to drop [TS]

01:31:12   Dropbox their software on the Mac has [TS]

01:31:15   gotten increasingly invasive of the [TS]

01:31:19   system it does creepy things like trying [TS]

01:31:22   to hack the accessibility database and [TS]

01:31:23   installing kernel extensions and things [TS]

01:31:26   all in the name of features that I don't [TS]

01:31:29   want you know think things like the [TS]

01:31:32   accessibility thing I think was about [TS]

01:31:34   like sucking in photos or something and [TS]

01:31:36   and the kernel extensions are for things [TS]

01:31:38   like their their project infinite file [TS]

01:31:40   system thing that I don't need or want [TS]

01:31:43   and there was there's no like good [TS]

01:31:45   options to just say no please don't do [TS]

01:31:47   this thanks just give me the basic thing [TS]

01:31:48   that uses the supported API in Mac OS to [TS]

01:31:52   do this to stuff that you're doing for [TS]

01:31:54   syncing the folder like that's all I [TS]

01:31:55   really want is a synced folder like [TS]

01:31:57   that's that's all I really wanted this [TS]

01:31:59   thing what you know basically the thing [TS]

01:32:00   it used to be so and so all these [TS]

01:32:02   features I think are like all this stuff [TS]

01:32:03   that I don't want or use that are part [TS]

01:32:06   of Dropbox now let's see what else I can [TS]

01:32:08   get away with and and what I've what [TS]

01:32:10   I've settled on at the moment is I just [TS]

01:32:13   moved everything to iCloud Drive and [TS]

01:32:15   because I already pay for our cloud [TS]

01:32:17   storage for all my photos I already have [TS]

01:32:19   all Apple devices that I'm running this [TS]

01:32:21   on with one important exception which is [TS]

01:32:23   my my server that runs my blog engine [TS]

01:32:25   which I'll get to but for the most part [TS]

01:32:27   is like iCloud Drive should work fine [TS]

01:32:30   for me so let's see how this goes so far [TS]

01:32:33   it's mostly fine but I think I'm gonna [TS]

01:32:38   go back anyway in everyday use [TS]

01:32:40   everything's fine with iCloud Drive I [TS]

01:32:42   even like to make the transition easier [TS]

01:32:44   with some of my muscle memory of like [TS]

01:32:45   running shell scripts in my Dropbox [TS]

01:32:47   folder I I sim linked home slash Dropbox [TS]

01:32:51   to whatever the crazy path is like [TS]

01:32:54   mobile documents left whatever whatever [TS]

01:32:56   the path is the actual iCloud iCloud [TS]

01:32:59   Drive folder on your Mac I sim linked [TS]

01:33:02   home slash Dropbox to that so so I at [TS]

01:33:05   least start you know that everything is [TS]

01:33:06   kind of where I expected to be if I if I [TS]

01:33:09   into like a muscle memory of like you [TS]

01:33:10   know going to Dropbox folder we're [TS]

01:33:11   running a cert from there whatever else [TS]

01:33:13   so that was actually a very easy [TS]

01:33:14   progression as far as I can tell [TS]

01:33:16   doing that has not caused anything [TS]

01:33:18   really weird to happen I do keep running [TS]

01:33:21   out of file descriptors but it's [TS]

01:33:23   probably not really it's probably not [TS]

01:33:24   that I also laugh anyway so so for [TS]

01:33:33   sharing my own files between my [TS]

01:33:35   computers like the basic synced folder [TS]

01:33:37   iCloud Drive has been totally fine for [TS]

01:33:39   me I haven't noticed any kind of weird [TS]

01:33:41   data loss [TS]

01:33:42   everything is always right there when I [TS]

01:33:44   want it one of the interesting things [TS]

01:33:46   about it is because it kind of has like [TS]

01:33:48   infinite background privileges on iOS I [TS]

01:33:53   was out working today out in the world [TS]

01:33:56   on my iPad not something I actually do [TS]

01:33:59   very often but but I was doing it today [TS]

01:34:01   for various reasons number one cellular [TS]

01:34:04   max don't exist but anyway I was doing [TS]

01:34:07   this and I went to the iCloud Drive app [TS]

01:34:10   on my iPad for the very first time I [TS]

01:34:12   have never launched it before and all my [TS]

01:34:14   stuff was there and all the files that I [TS]

01:34:17   worked out that I wanted to access we're [TS]

01:34:18   already there because it is always [TS]

01:34:21   working in the background it is [TS]

01:34:22   privileged it has like apples blessing [TS]

01:34:24   to do whatever it wants so it unlike [TS]

01:34:25   Dropbox which can only work like if I [TS]

01:34:28   had already ever launched it first of [TS]

01:34:29   all and then you know whenever it gets a [TS]

01:34:31   background update but then the system [TS]

01:34:33   controls that and limits it and if I [TS]

01:34:34   never use it it won't really get any so [TS]

01:34:37   it has privileges on Apple platforms [TS]

01:34:40   that Dropbox can't eat can't have I mean [TS]

01:34:43   on the Mac again camera on iOS it can't [TS]

01:34:45   so for the most part for just that [TS]

01:34:48   purpose of sharing your own files [TS]

01:34:50   between your own devices iCloud Drive [TS]

01:34:52   has been totally fine for me the main [TS]

01:34:55   areas that that hurt are number one I [TS]

01:34:58   built my blog engine on Dropbox now I [TS]

01:35:00   don't blog very often anymore and that's [TS]

01:35:02   that's a separate discussion and I want [TS]

01:35:05   to change that but one of the main [TS]

01:35:07   problems with this is that now I don't [TS]

01:35:10   have a way to edit my blog except for SS [TS]

01:35:14   aging into my server and using them on [TS]

01:35:16   the in the terminal to edit is their [TS]

01:35:19   best yeah [TS]

01:35:20   which is which is clumsy to say the [TS]

01:35:23   least I could also just switch to a [TS]

01:35:25   regular CMS but you know I'm not going [TS]

01:35:27   to do that [TS]

01:35:28   exactly you know me I know me that's not [TS]

01:35:30   going to happen and so that's yeah so [TS]

01:35:34   that that has been that has been a pain [TS]

01:35:35   and a bigger pain has been our shared [TS]

01:35:40   our shared folder for this show the way [TS]

01:35:42   we do the show is that this is a common [TS]

01:35:44   thing you know like you guys give me [TS]

01:35:46   audio files every week from your [TS]

01:35:48   recording I take them out of the Dropbox [TS]

01:35:49   folder I make a project record it never [TS]

01:35:52   you know sync it all up and edit and [TS]

01:35:53   everything else and publish it we also [TS]

01:35:55   work together on certain files and [TS]

01:35:58   folders within that shared folder so [TS]

01:36:00   when we're doing things like t-shirt [TS]

01:36:01   designs where we're working often with [TS]

01:36:04   shared files in that folder and this is [TS]

01:36:08   an area that as far as I know iCloud [TS]

01:36:10   Drive has nothing to offer that there [TS]

01:36:11   are no as far as I know right there's no [TS]

01:36:13   collaborative iCloud Drive folder [TS]

01:36:15   syncing options and maybe it's everybody [TS]

01:36:20   see maybe they'll change that so maybe I [TS]

01:36:21   should wait but but for the most part as [TS]

01:36:23   far as I know that doesn't exist so [TS]

01:36:26   collaborate with other people and [TS]

01:36:28   working with other people in a shared [TS]

01:36:29   folder I don't that seems like it's I'm [TS]

01:36:33   gonna have to either go without that or [TS]

01:36:35   do what I do now which is just download [TS]

01:36:37   stuff the web interface but that makes [TS]

01:36:38   it it's much less commuting to actually [TS]

01:36:40   like work in the folders with you guys I [TS]

01:36:43   guess one thing if you're if you're just [TS]

01:36:44   giving me files and I just have to [TS]

01:36:45   download them that's fine but if we are [TS]

01:36:48   working together on something where [TS]

01:36:49   we're like we're all kind of editing [TS]

01:36:51   stuff in a folder together the web [TS]

01:36:53   interface is going to suck royally for [TS]

01:36:55   that that I should not be using that so [TS]

01:36:58   basically I'm probably going to go back [TS]

01:37:00   to Dropbox because of those two big [TS]

01:37:03   things of shared folders and it isn't [TS]

01:37:04   just you guys okay I occasionally need [TS]

01:37:06   for other things but it's this show is [TS]

01:37:08   the one that happens most often but so [TS]

01:37:11   basically Dropbox shared folders and the [TS]

01:37:13   blog engine problem now I could install [TS]

01:37:16   another cloud service to do these things [TS]

01:37:18   I could for instance use something like [TS]

01:37:21   whatever the new name is for BitTorrent [TS]

01:37:23   sync was it's rosalie oh yeah I could do [TS]

01:37:25   that there's a bunch of other things [TS]

01:37:27   that are kind of like that you know [TS]

01:37:30   other other various services and [TS]

01:37:31   products that will behave like Dropbox [TS]

01:37:34   so maybe I should [TS]

01:37:34   try some of those first but that's it's [TS]

01:37:38   probably going to be hard to ever [TS]

01:37:39   address the shared folder problem with [TS]

01:37:41   those things because we'll drive will do [TS]

01:37:43   it [TS]

01:37:44   well I found that's on that drive is [TS]

01:37:48   fine I trust Google even less than [TS]

01:37:50   Dropbox I have a terabyte of Google [TS]

01:37:52   Drive stuff and I'm like I'll stop [TS]

01:37:53   paying for that one I don't need it [TS]

01:37:54   anymore but I don't it's nice to have I [TS]

01:37:56   mean I still I still prefer Dropbox but [TS]

01:37:58   Google Drive and onedrive which is not [TS]

01:38:01   as terrible as you think it is speaking [TS]

01:38:03   of someone who has had forcibly [TS]

01:38:05   installed on their Mac at work I don't [TS]

01:38:07   know it's this is the problem I have is [TS]

01:38:09   that all the other options sound worse [TS]

01:38:12   to me like from the ones that are from [TS]

01:38:13   big companies like like Google Drive or [TS]

01:38:15   I think even Amazon has something like [TS]

01:38:17   this and box and boxes where I see right [TS]

01:38:21   about you're right about that so yeah so [TS]

01:38:23   this thing like I think all of these [TS]

01:38:24   things are worse in some way and to [TS]

01:38:27   address the shared folder problem I [TS]

01:38:29   pretty much need to use what everyone [TS]

01:38:31   else around me is using and it around [TS]

01:38:34   our community and around these parts [TS]

01:38:36   that's Dropbox no question like it's [TS]

01:38:37   always Dropbox so I basically have to [TS]

01:38:40   decide like how much am I willing to [TS]

01:38:42   fight Dropbox or two to fight not having [TS]

01:38:47   Dropbox how much is that worth to me [TS]

01:38:49   versus how annoying is it to just have [TS]

01:38:52   it and tolerate its crappy Mac client [TS]

01:38:55   and I'm leaning more towards [TS]

01:38:58   reinstalling it just because it's not [TS]

01:39:00   having it has been a pain in those two [TS]

01:39:02   big areas but we will see I don't have [TS]

01:39:05   made any final decisions yet what do you [TS]

01:39:06   guys think [TS]

01:39:07   didn't you disable the privileged [TS]

01:39:10   accessibility blah blah blah thing I [TS]

01:39:12   just say no every time it boots up and [TS]

01:39:14   it says we'd your password to work [TS]

01:39:16   properly I'm like no you don't I know [TS]

01:39:18   you're lying to me Dropbox so I just say [TS]

01:39:19   no I just cancel every time I reboot but [TS]

01:39:22   it that pisses me off like why should I [TS]

01:39:24   have to say that you should let it it's [TS]

01:39:26   probably dumb enough that you can let it [TS]

01:39:28   install and then modify the thing such [TS]

01:39:31   that the OS will refuse to run them and [TS]

01:39:32   so the check to see that it is [TS]

01:39:33   successfully installed will return true [TS]

01:39:35   but then they'll never actually run and [TS]

01:39:37   you'll get some errors in your console [TS]

01:39:38   like you just chmod the files to because [TS]

01:39:40   it's especially the kernel extension Mac [TS]

01:39:42   OS is super picky about the permissions [TS]

01:39:44   of every single thing having to do with [TS]

01:39:46   the Chrome extension for [TS]

01:39:48   reasons if you just flip on the right [TS]

01:39:51   bit unlike group or other on one file [TS]

01:39:53   the OS will refuse to load it and it [TS]

01:39:54   will just join errorlog and I bet you [TS]

01:39:56   that Dropbox is dumb enough that when it [TS]

01:39:59   tries to see whether it needs to prompt [TS]

01:40:01   you it will just look to see if like a [TS]

01:40:02   file exists and it's not getting down to [TS]

01:40:04   the permission level who knows anyway [TS]

01:40:05   there are possible ways to hack around [TS]

01:40:07   that or you just let it do what it does [TS]

01:40:09   because I let it do what it does I don't [TS]

01:40:11   use the infinite thing I don't think I [TS]

01:40:12   ever will [TS]

01:40:14   Dropbox drop boxes occasionally gets [TS]

01:40:19   flipped out because it tries to drink [TS]

01:40:20   from the fire hose of filesystem events [TS]

01:40:22   yep right and I wish it would drink from [TS]

01:40:25   a smaller firehose of just the [TS]

01:40:27   filesystem events that happen inside the [TS]

01:40:28   Dropbox folder but my impression based [TS]

01:40:31   on the activity of dbfs event D or [TS]

01:40:33   whatever the hell that thing is called [TS]

01:40:34   is that it's flipping out when stuff is [TS]

01:40:37   going on on the filesystem that is not [TS]

01:40:39   inside the Dropbox folder and I wish it [TS]

01:40:41   would just chill out but other than that [TS]

01:40:44   which I can solve by quitting Dropbox [TS]

01:40:46   which by the way is the thing I can't do [TS]

01:40:47   as easily with the iCloud Drive thing I [TS]

01:40:50   prefer and I'm still terrified of iCloud [TS]

01:40:53   drive because of the weird behaviors [TS]

01:40:55   that I've seen with weird the locked [TS]

01:40:57   files that can't be opened or deleted [TS]

01:40:58   anywhere and and no recourse and no [TS]

01:41:00   ability to turn it on and often no way [TS]

01:41:03   to control the indication of download [TS]

01:41:06   state or force things to download no way [TS]

01:41:08   to pin files to my iOS devices I don't [TS]

01:41:09   know if that's even true but I'm [TS]

01:41:10   assuming it is all features that I have [TS]

01:41:13   with Dropbox I just find Dropbox so much [TS]

01:41:15   more tractable because it is a third [TS]

01:41:16   party thing and I am concerned about the [TS]

01:41:18   increasing invasiveness but as long as [TS]

01:41:20   practically speaking it doesn't do [TS]

01:41:23   anything bad to my computer and if I [TS]

01:41:25   need to turn it off I can I'm still [TS]

01:41:26   definitely sticking with that I do have [TS]

01:41:28   Google Drive installed and well note and [TS]

01:41:29   a bunch of other things and occasionally [TS]

01:41:31   I fire up Google Drive and I think it's [TS]

01:41:33   fine [TS]

01:41:33   Google Drive is fine I just prefer [TS]

01:41:35   Dropbox for now and and as you said the [TS]

01:41:37   network effect it's the reason you know [TS]

01:41:38   you're using it because everyone else is [TS]

01:41:40   using it is this the way people [TS]

01:41:41   collaborate and that's this difficult [TS]

01:41:43   overcome ok see what should I do I think [TS]

01:41:47   you should take off your tinfoil hat [TS]

01:41:48   you should reinstall Dropbox and and [TS]

01:41:51   when we all get all of our data stolen [TS]

01:41:53   and leaked then you can blame me cool [TS]

01:41:55   thanks for our three sponsors this week [TS]

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01:42:04   now the show is over [TS]

01:42:07   they didn't even mean to begin cuz it [TS]

01:42:10   was accidental oh it was accidental John [TS]

01:42:15   didn't do any research Marco and Casey [TS]

01:42:18   wouldn't let him cuz it was accidental [TS]

01:42:22   it was accidental and you can find the [TS]

01:42:27   show notes today T P dot F M and if [TS]

01:42:31   you're into Twitter you can follow them [TS]

01:42:35   at CAS II WA L is s so that's Casey Liz [TS]

01:42:41   M a are Co AR m auntie Marco Arment and [TS]

01:42:47   I are DC USA Syracuse [TS]

01:42:59   Tech [TS]

01:43:03   ah so what's the drama with your switch [TS]

01:43:07   scenario at home because we were talking [TS]

01:43:10   the relay chat if it seems as though you [TS]

01:43:13   are in an impossible predicament where [TS]

01:43:15   you would like to buy another switch but [TS]

01:43:17   they're deep penalties for doing so yet [TS]

01:43:20   if you don't buy another switch you will [TS]

01:43:21   never play the switch because Tiff's [TS]

01:43:23   basically is taking it over I thought [TS]

01:43:25   you're gonna talk about him putting the [TS]

01:43:26   little sliding thing on the joique on [TS]

01:43:27   the wrong way well there's that too but [TS]

01:43:30   I was setting up Mario Kart for kids I [TS]

01:43:32   was trying to why you can't have nice [TS]

01:43:33   things yeah why does it go on the wrong [TS]

01:43:36   way if it if it locks it there plus goes [TS]

01:43:39   to plus minus goes to one is matches [TS]

01:43:41   match the shapes I didn't notice that at [TS]

01:43:43   first though in Marcos defense I did [TS]

01:43:45   eventually notice that + + + - - but at [TS]

01:43:48   first I did by well and I wasn't using [TS]

01:43:50   the wrong one for the controller I was [TS]

01:43:52   using the correct one but backwards I [TS]

01:43:54   know but but you didn't you didn't match [TS]

01:43:56   up the symbols they go next to each [TS]

01:43:57   other why does it go on backwards yeah I [TS]

01:44:00   like that you had to resort to a YouTube [TS]

01:44:02   video to get out of it like basically if [TS]

01:44:03   there was no internet you would be at [TS]

01:44:05   home staring at this like you've staring [TS]

01:44:06   at your broken toy being like do you [TS]

01:44:08   want to rethink your ordering from [TS]

01:44:09   earlier now no I hey oh yeah I really [TS]

01:44:13   was about to get a screwdriver and start [TS]

01:44:14   disassembling it to try to get this [TS]

01:44:15   thing off because like I remember I [TS]

01:44:18   forget which one they were like two or [TS]

01:44:20   three [TS]

01:44:20   samsung phones ago where like if you put [TS]

01:44:23   the stylus in the slot the wrong way it [TS]

01:44:26   would just it would just get stuck in [TS]

01:44:27   there forever like why like why is the [TS]

01:44:30   switch design in such a way that you can [TS]

01:44:33   so easily attach these two very commonly [TS]

01:44:36   attached parts in the wrong direction [TS]

01:44:37   and when you do it gets stuck really [TS]

01:44:40   hard I think the switch hardware is not [TS]

01:44:42   Nintendo like in so many ways that it is [TS]

01:44:45   yeah delicate and fragile and you can [TS]

01:44:47   easily do the wrong thing and like it is [TS]

01:44:50   it is weirdly non it's not like Nintendo [TS]

01:44:53   doesn't have a history of making [TS]

01:44:54   portable devices just look at the huge [TS]

01:44:56   history of portal devices and almost all [TS]

01:44:58   of them are rugged to the point of [TS]

01:45:00   fisher-price nests and very difficult to [TS]

01:45:04   do something wrong with like the [TS]

01:45:05   original fire wire connector is [TS]

01:45:06   supposedly was inspired by the Game Boy [TS]

01:45:08   Connect thing of having you know it was [TS]

01:45:11   novel the time connector can only go [TS]

01:45:12   incorrectly one way and they can be [TS]

01:45:14   plugged unplugged lots of times and [TS]

01:45:15   still be sturdy [TS]

01:45:17   and then the switch comes along and it's [TS]

01:45:19   I mean it kind of started switching to [TS]

01:45:22   it in the Wii U was making stuff glossy [TS]

01:45:23   to try to make it look more sort of pro [TS]

01:45:25   and fancy I'm not going to say Apple [TS]

01:45:26   like but like less pressure price like [TS]

01:45:28   let's say for the Wii U and like the Wii [TS]

01:45:32   U pro controller especially the glossy [TS]

01:45:33   black model being the high end and the [TS]

01:45:35   switch is just like what is this a Sony [TS]

01:45:38   device like it looks Sonia shit looks [TS]

01:45:40   like you know a PSP right right down to [TS]

01:45:43   the the the delicate little bits that [TS]

01:45:45   seem like they could break off and the [TS]

01:45:46   ability to put things on backwards it [TS]

01:45:48   should never be possible to do that it [TS]

01:45:49   should be super rugged but you know but [TS]

01:45:52   it is fun to make fun of Margaux for [TS]

01:45:53   doing that but he doesn't follow gaming [TS]

01:45:55   websites oh he doesn't he didn't see the [TS]

01:45:57   8,000 stories when the switch was [TS]

01:45:58   launched about putting those things on [TS]

01:46:00   backwards [TS]

01:46:00   yeah you're right exactly so I just did [TS]

01:46:02   it tonight as I was trying to set up [TS]

01:46:03   these controllers for two kids to play [TS]

01:46:05   Mario Kart with us and yeah it was it [TS]

01:46:08   was tough anyway but besides that I am [TS]

01:46:11   greatly enjoying the switch because now [TS]

01:46:14   Mario Cart came out and I'm having so [TS]

01:46:17   much fun with this suction credibly fun [TS]

01:46:21   game and if you are the kind of video [TS]

01:46:23   game person who has already played it on [TS]

01:46:26   the Wii U like John it's not much new [TS]

01:46:28   for you 60 frames per second but as [TS]

01:46:31   somebody who hasn't played Mario Kart [TS]

01:46:33   since the Nintendo 64 version hey buddy [TS]

01:46:35   right it is so much fun and so I really [TS]

01:46:40   am quite enjoying this and it really [TS]

01:46:44   literally is fun for the whole family [TS]

01:46:45   we like now Adams playing and and like [TS]

01:46:48   other the auto-steer or like the kind of [TS]

01:46:52   bumper cars version of it that jon was [TS]

01:46:53   complaining about last week is indeed a [TS]

01:46:55   problem when adults are playing and you [TS]

01:46:57   don't realize little antennas in the [TS]

01:46:58   back of their car but the the [TS]

01:47:00   combination of that and the automatic [TS]

01:47:02   acceleration is awesome for having small [TS]

01:47:05   children play because they can play with [TS]

01:47:07   the whole family and not be too too far [TS]

01:47:11   behind not get themselves stuck and have [TS]

01:47:13   to try to show them how to reverse and [TS]

01:47:16   like it's it's really nice and and in [TS]

01:47:19   addition to it just being a really fun [TS]

01:47:21   you know mario kart racing game for for [TS]

01:47:24   adults when they're playing it in like [TS]

01:47:25   the normal or hard modes I'm just having [TS]

01:47:28   so much fun with this game the only [TS]

01:47:30   downside [TS]

01:47:31   this game is that I'm going to have to [TS]

01:47:33   buy more Pro controllers probably so [TS]

01:47:34   it's going to cost a lot of money that [TS]

01:47:35   way and also the switch is still mostly [TS]

01:47:39   being dominated by Tiff's and Adam [TS]

01:47:41   playing Zelda as it should be [TS]

01:47:43   and I also thought like you know what it [TS]

01:47:45   like there will be times when I want a [TS]

01:47:48   second switch dock so for instance like [TS]

01:47:52   when we go to a beach house in the [TS]

01:47:53   summertime or we have a but we have a [TS]

01:47:55   second TV in our in our playroom and [TS]

01:47:57   like so maybe somebody's using the main [TS]

01:47:58   TV but when I'm playing a small screen [TS]

01:48:00   maybe I want to play on it back there [TS]

01:48:02   let me see if I can get a second dog how [TS]

01:48:03   much could it cost 40 bucks nope 90 [TS]

01:48:07   bucks another story that if you had read [TS]

01:48:10   the gaming press you would have seen a [TS]

01:48:11   million OVA on around lunchtime or when [TS]

01:48:13   the prices were announced people were [TS]

01:48:14   shocked people also shocked by the way [TS]

01:48:16   with how much the pro controller cost [TS]

01:48:17   yeah yeah that's like 70 right I have to [TS]

01:48:20   them now and it's I pay way too much [TS]

01:48:22   it's like it sounds like and so I [TS]

01:48:25   started doing some research of like you [TS]

01:48:27   know if I want a second doc and it's $90 [TS]

01:48:30   and a new switch is only 250 that comes [TS]

01:48:34   with it 300 oh is 300 and it's hard to [TS]

01:48:37   know with the real prices this is the [TS]

01:48:39   jump that Marco makes very quickly $90 [TS]

01:48:42   300 they're basically the same [TS]

01:48:43   Ryan years makes no difference well it's [TS]

01:48:46   like it will you know do I need more joy [TS]

01:48:47   kansai I thought I was gonna need one a [TS]

01:48:49   few hours ago because I thought I broke [TS]

01:48:51   one of mine so so I'm like so I started [TS]

01:48:55   adding it's a funcle' actually this [TS]

01:48:58   isn't that ridiculous that maybe we [TS]

01:48:59   should just get a second switch that [TS]

01:49:01   wait if can play Zelda on the main TV [TS]

01:49:03   and I can go in the back room play Mario [TS]

01:49:04   Kart and then I can take one when I [TS]

01:49:07   travel to everybody cientific and stay [TS]

01:49:08   here and play with that on everything [TS]

01:49:09   else so I started asking around with [TS]

01:49:11   friends like John of like how does that [TS]

01:49:13   actually work with like game transfers [TS]

01:49:16   and like I bought this game to digitally [TS]

01:49:17   I don't have cartridge for any of them [TS]

01:49:19   on John's advice which in most cases is [TS]

01:49:22   good and that was the right decision no [TS]

01:49:24   no no the carts won't save you like even [TS]

01:49:27   if you had held on a cart and you [TS]

01:49:28   plugged into the other thing the save [TS]

01:49:30   date is not on the cart so it's not [TS]

01:49:31   helping you right so so basically I'm [TS]

01:49:34   basically running into all of the issues [TS]

01:49:36   of being a Nintendo fan that in tendo [TS]

01:49:39   fans have been yelling about for like 10 [TS]

01:49:40   years and I which is that really a part [TS]

01:49:43   of it I was [TS]

01:49:44   out of I was kind of out of the game so [TS]

01:49:46   to speak for all that time and now that [TS]

01:49:48   I come back in from Mario Kart and I'm [TS]

01:49:49   like man wouldn't it be great if I had a [TS]

01:49:51   second system or first first let me just [TS]

01:49:53   get a second HDMI doc Wow that's [TS]

01:49:55   expensive okay let me get a couple more [TS]

01:49:57   controllers my god those are expensive [TS]

01:49:59   oh well I'd well I bought my games [TS]

01:50:01   digitally let me see if I could just [TS]

01:50:02   download onto a second console wow that [TS]

01:50:04   system kind of sucks it is very limited [TS]

01:50:06   okay how about our save game will that [TS]

01:50:08   transfer nope that won't it's like to [TS]

01:50:11   put all the things again like Nintendo [TS]

01:50:12   fans this is not news to anybody who's [TS]

01:50:14   been a Nintendo fan forever [TS]

01:50:16   but because I haven't been this is this [TS]

01:50:19   is all new to me [TS]

01:50:20   yeah well take issue with one thing John [TS]

01:50:22   just said though that the cart wouldn't [TS]

01:50:24   help it would help in getting the [TS]

01:50:25   software between the two devices I agree [TS]

01:50:28   it will not help in any way shape or [TS]

01:50:30   form with save but it will absolutely [TS]

01:50:32   help with getting the game in between [TS]

01:50:35   the devices quickly and easily without [TS]

01:50:36   it without any sort of fuss well you can [TS]

01:50:39   it can only be activated on one device [TS]

01:50:41   but I bet if you download it onto both [TS]

01:50:42   you could just like activate deactivate [TS]

01:50:43   I don't know I've never tried it in [TS]

01:50:45   theory it might be better but I really [TS]

01:50:47   would not relish the idea of taking [TS]

01:50:49   those tiny little cartridges in and out [TS]

01:50:51   and walking them back and forth from [TS]

01:50:52   even just within your house because talk [TS]

01:50:54   about something that could easily get [TS]

01:50:55   like vacuumed up or eaten by a dumb dog [TS]

01:50:58   or all sorts of other things that can [TS]

01:50:59   happen to a dog's aren't smart then also [TS]

01:51:03   when it comes to things that the shooter [TS]

01:51:05   shouldn't be eating let's say having a [TS]

01:51:07   my dog [TS]

01:51:08   particularly loves cat poop so you know [TS]

01:51:10   the the the bad tasting Nintendo [TS]

01:51:12   cartridge forget it they also don't chew [TS]

01:51:15   and apparently don't taste things so [TS]

01:51:16   it's like one swallow and it's gone yeah [TS]

01:51:19   I wouldn't relish doing that and I yeah [TS]

01:51:23   I don't know what's worse is the having [TS]

01:51:26   it downloaded on both of them but I only [TS]

01:51:28   active on one versus carrying a cart [TS]

01:51:29   back and forth uh you are way over [TS]

01:51:32   blowing the difficulty of the cartridge [TS]

01:51:34   I have cartridges for both Zelda Mario [TS]

01:51:36   Kart and I have to swap between them [TS]

01:51:37   when I want to play different games and [TS]

01:51:39   you are way way way over blowing how [TS]

01:51:40   difficult it is to keep track of no I'm [TS]

01:51:42   saying if you're walking across the [TS]

01:51:43   house like which room is it in from one [TS]

01:51:45   for one side to the other and just wait [TS]

01:51:47   until Declan d-twah knows gardening I [TS]

01:51:48   think you're making a mountain out of a [TS]

01:51:50   mole my house isn't that big [TS]

01:51:52   no the transfer between the two places [TS]

01:51:55   means you're not sure which location it [TS]

01:51:56   is which means you're not sure [TS]

01:51:57   this period which means you can get lost [TS]

01:51:59   they're very tiny I mean if it was an [TS]

01:52:00   n64 Kart you'd be okay but these are not [TS]

01:52:02   64 cards [TS]

01:52:04   fair enough yeah I don't know I I will [TS]

01:52:07   say though that I've been deeply [TS]

01:52:08   enjoying both Mario Kart and Zelda and [TS]

01:52:11   much to my own surprise I have I have [TS]

01:52:14   almost as much time in Mario Kart as I [TS]

01:52:17   do in Zelda and I think that comes back [TS]

01:52:19   to what I believe I was saying on this [TS]

01:52:21   show might have been analog that I just [TS]

01:52:22   find it much easier to just kind of pick [TS]

01:52:25   up Mario Kart and play where to me yeah [TS]

01:52:28   we were talking about on the show where [TS]

01:52:29   Danny Zelda's not quite so simple [TS]

01:52:30   because I am not good at video games and [TS]

01:52:33   so I need the context you don't have [TS]

01:52:35   what it takes to save Hyrule's where [TS]

01:52:36   you're getting it probably just to go [TS]

01:52:38   the world just gonna go unsaved yeah [TS]

01:52:40   that's correct you're gonna say well it [TS]

01:52:41   seems like a lot of work to save the [TS]

01:52:43   world when I just go run in circles few [TS]

01:52:44   times in this kart racing game right [TS]

01:52:45   yeah to me as somebody who's only [TS]

01:52:48   watched Zelda and not actually played it [TS]

01:52:50   because I I really am NOT into that kind [TS]

01:52:52   of game at all to me it's like sitting [TS]

01:52:54   down for watching an epic film versus [TS]

01:52:58   like watching a quick youtube video for [TS]

01:53:00   fun but like I said this Zelda is the is [TS]

01:53:03   incredibly easy to pick up and do a [TS]

01:53:04   small amount of things I don't think [TS]

01:53:06   you'll actually ever finish the game by [TS]

01:53:07   sitting them in small amount of things [TS]

01:53:09   but it is it doesn't force you to say [TS]

01:53:11   I'm going to do the next dungeon like [TS]

01:53:13   the old Zelda games that you can do a [TS]

01:53:14   very small amount of things pick up at [TS]

01:53:16   any time do a little thing and stop and [TS]

01:53:19   the way it this is one thing that and [TS]

01:53:20   kind of has actually finally gotten [TS]

01:53:22   right the way you can put the system to [TS]

01:53:24   sleep and it wakes back up and you're [TS]

01:53:26   like literally back at the exact second [TS]

01:53:27   you put it to sleep it sounds like you [TS]

01:53:29   something you would take for granted but [TS]

01:53:31   it is taking in 10 - this long to [TS]

01:53:32   successfully do that that makes it so [TS]

01:53:35   much easier to take up I mean even just [TS]

01:53:37   for me like I will pick up the switch [TS]

01:53:40   this is the main time of using portable [TS]

01:53:42   mode like and do my amiibo random reward [TS]

01:53:45   thing because it's just easy to do [TS]

01:53:47   turned on I'm exactly where I left off [TS]

01:53:49   hit a button hit the little NFC thing [TS]

01:53:51   open up my chest see what I got put it [TS]

01:53:53   back to sleep there's no way I would do [TS]

01:53:55   that if I had to boot it up or load a [TS]

01:53:57   game or wait for a long turning on [TS]

01:53:59   sequence or something like that and [TS]

01:54:00   again it sounds like stuff you should [TS]

01:54:01   take for granted the other modern [TS]

01:54:02   consoles have done forever but now [TS]

01:54:04   Nintendo is find in that aspect we're [TS]

01:54:06   just still waiting for them to [TS]

01:54:07   understand how the hell this crazy [TS]

01:54:08   online thing works [TS]

01:54:10   because they haven't figured it out yet [TS]

01:54:11   do you guys have your switches nearby by [TS]

01:54:14   chance no it's in the other room oh you [TS]

01:54:16   suck [TS]

01:54:17   what are you to play now no I would [TS]

01:54:20   never do that to hone your games Tony CC [TS]

01:54:28   comes Auto unlocked in this right yeah [TS]

01:54:30   everything almost everything is unlocked [TS]

01:54:31   from the start like all the tracks as [TS]

01:54:33   far as I know right it's too easy all [TS]

01:54:34   the characters the only the only things [TS]

01:54:36   like some of the tires and stuff you [TS]

01:54:37   need to unlock yeah although that is [TS]

01:54:39   disappointing I've I haven't spent [TS]

01:54:40   enough time in it unlock oh my favorite [TS]

01:54:42   write the card I usually uses the f01 [TS]

01:54:44   they have like a little at zero low yeah [TS]

01:54:46   I have that one the Blue Falcon I think [TS]

01:54:47   yeah some other ones I like and I think [TS]

01:54:49   I haven't unlocked it yet but no in the [TS]

01:54:51   original Marik car that you had to [TS]

01:54:52   slowly unlock things and a lot of the [TS]

01:54:53   things were DLC like a lot of the [TS]

01:54:55   additional tracks but this is all the [TS]

01:54:57   DLC and everything unlocked except for [TS]

01:54:59   some of the card stuff and 200 cc 200 [TS]

01:55:02   didn't even exist in America it for a [TS]

01:55:03   long time that was think part of a DLC [TS]

01:55:05   pack 150 was stopped so I three start [TS]

01:55:07   all of 150 and 200 cc came out and I was [TS]

01:55:09   like now I'm not doing that [TS]

01:55:10   but I've three start a couple of them [TS]

01:55:13   and 200 cc I don't think I'm going to do [TS]

01:55:15   all them I love one of my favorite [TS]

01:55:17   things about Mario Kart as somebody who [TS]

01:55:19   was out of it for so long is that if you [TS]

01:55:22   are familiar with the Nintendo 64 [TS]

01:55:25   version and its mechanics and the way [TS]

01:55:27   the vehicles handle and the controls and [TS]

01:55:30   how you you know how the weapons handle [TS]

01:55:32   how you like can hold on to stuff behind [TS]

01:55:34   you and how you do the jump and skid [TS]

01:55:35   thing and how you can hold the skid and [TS]

01:55:36   everything I was like all of that muscle [TS]

01:55:39   memory translates perfectly like [TS]

01:55:41   everything still handles pretty much the [TS]

01:55:43   exact same way it still feels like that [TS]

01:55:45   game and so you're able to others I was [TS]

01:55:48   able to jump in and and pretty much know [TS]

01:55:51   how to play immediately and actually I [TS]

01:55:53   can say the same thing for for Tiff's [TS]

01:55:55   and for some of our friends who have [TS]

01:55:56   played it like everyone I've seen pick [TS]

01:55:58   up this game has just immediately gotten [TS]

01:56:00   it because we all played the n64 version [TS]

01:56:01   back in the day and it just it's it it [TS]

01:56:05   handles the same way like it's it's our [TS]

01:56:07   it's new but familiar it doesn't handle [TS]

01:56:09   the same way [TS]

01:56:10   it totally does by any stretch of the [TS]

01:56:12   imagination no I mean like it is is the [TS]

01:56:15   same conceptually but like Bert yeah I [TS]

01:56:16   don't know you need to be a very car [TS]

01:56:18   connoisseur but America's handling it's [TS]

01:56:20   so unlike the n64 one [TS]

01:56:23   which is in turn is unlike a double - [TS]

01:56:25   maybe the closest you could say is the [TS]

01:56:27   America it is a little bit like the Wii [TS]

01:56:29   version but I I find the handling very [TS]

01:56:33   very different shockingly different [TS]

01:56:34   between those different versions of [TS]

01:56:35   Mario Kart so much so that it's almost [TS]

01:56:37   hard to believe that it the same game [TS]

01:56:38   you know that they have like the same [TS]

01:56:40   graphics everything you write the [TS]

01:56:41   concepts are all the same the things [TS]

01:56:42   you're doing it more or less the same [TS]

01:56:43   but marikar day is a nice compromise [TS]

01:56:45   between well I don't know it double - is [TS]

01:56:49   my favorite in terms of handling that's [TS]

01:56:51   how I wish all of them handled the Wii [TS]

01:56:53   version was a little bit floaty the n64 [TS]

01:56:56   version was a little imprecise and yet [TS]

01:56:58   sprites going on there so it was a [TS]

01:56:59   little bit of mess and there was a lot [TS]

01:57:00   of hopping so it was very different [TS]

01:57:01   there's no hopping just remember in its [TS]

01:57:02   n64 hopping no hopping and eggless right [TS]

01:57:08   but yeah Mario Kart 8 doesn't feel slow [TS]

01:57:11   to use the Wii version it's not as [TS]

01:57:12   snappy and precise as double - but I it [TS]

01:57:14   is a nice compromise it it's like all [TS]

01:57:16   round in the middle like nicely [TS]

01:57:20   I don't nicely round it handling but it [TS]

01:57:23   doesn't it doesn't feel as precise to me [TS]

01:57:24   in terms of the racing as much as my [TS]

01:57:26   favorites my only complaint about it is [TS]

01:57:29   that when I first started playing it I [TS]

01:57:31   was able to immediately figure out how [TS]

01:57:33   to handle the cars and everything but I [TS]

01:57:35   had a lot of trouble figuring out like [TS]

01:57:37   you know what all these different tires [TS]

01:57:38   do and what are the different air foils [TS]

01:57:40   do and what is the deal with that [TS]

01:57:43   because I still haven't really figured [TS]

01:57:44   that out well so well and and also I [TS]

01:57:46   didn't even realize like what what are [TS]

01:57:47   the coins for like what are they what a [TS]

01:57:48   coins do and like there's so much done [TS]

01:57:50   so much help with it with your game [TS]

01:57:52   right and so what so I don't want to [TS]

01:57:54   just search for because the first thing [TS]

01:57:55   I want to know is like what are the [TS]

01:57:56   actual like weight classes of these [TS]

01:57:58   characters that I don't recognize [TS]

01:58:00   oh wait classes that's not how it works [TS]