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190: ‘Anything Luxury’, With Special Guest Ben Thompson

 

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00:07:22   for consumers in in this at all I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/442">TS</a>]

00:07:25   there was they had this or Cortana [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/445">TS</a>]

00:07:27   skills kit you know which which it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/447">TS</a>]

00:07:29   be you know a Dallas to sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/449">TS</a>]

00:07:31   Amazon echo skills things like that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/451">TS</a>]

00:07:34   have a new database service for Azure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/454">TS</a>]

00:07:37   called cosmos DB which is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/457">TS</a>]

00:07:39   interesting but again speaking of data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/459">TS</a>]

00:07:41   structure is not really something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/461">TS</a>]

00:07:44   people you know most people would think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/464">TS</a>]

00:07:45   about or or or care about and where as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/465">TS</a>]

00:07:49   tomorrow all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/469">TS</a>]

00:07:50   which I was yet tomorrow I always try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/470">TS</a>]

00:07:52   speak in terms of us time but even when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/472">TS</a>]

00:07:55   I would it's not but tonight my time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/475">TS</a>]

00:07:56   tomorrow they will have I think more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/476">TS</a>]

00:07:59   consumer facing stuff but again I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/479">TS</a>]

00:08:01   it's it's really emblematic of the shift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/481">TS</a>]

00:08:04   in the company that that is on day two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/484">TS</a>]

00:08:05   and to me that's that's kind of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/485">TS</a>]

00:08:07   biggest high-level takeaway yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/487">TS</a>]

00:08:10   they're sort of doing on their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/490">TS</a>]

00:08:15   volition you know under Satya Nadella [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/495">TS</a>]

00:08:18   what some people ten years ago add or I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/498">TS</a>]

00:08:21   guess more than 10 years ago at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/501">TS</a>]

00:08:22   point I had argued that should be done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/502">TS</a>]

00:08:25   by law which is break break the windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/505">TS</a>]

00:08:28   division off into its own subsidiary or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/508">TS</a>]

00:08:30   separate company or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/510">TS</a>]

00:08:32   yep you know like I think that that let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/512">TS</a>]

00:08:35   Microsoft stay focused on the future and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/515">TS</a>]

00:08:37   let Windows sort of ride out the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/517">TS</a>]

00:08:40   know the role that it has to play is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/520">TS</a>]

00:08:42   sort of legacy infrastructure yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/522">TS</a>]

00:08:45   think that's exactly that's exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/525">TS</a>]

00:08:46   right and it's I didn't think they I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/526">TS</a>]

00:08:49   didn't think they were capable of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/529">TS</a>]

00:08:50   like Windows was so long you know had so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/530">TS</a>]

00:08:52   much gravitational pole in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/532">TS</a>]

00:08:54   the company mej extent that at one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/534">TS</a>]

00:08:57   these keynotes a while ago like Asher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/537">TS</a>]

00:08:59   was renamed Windows Azure even though it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/539">TS</a>]

00:09:01   wasn't really Windows but but yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/541">TS</a>]

00:09:02   that's a great point know here one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/542">TS</a>]

00:09:04   favorite sort of little details here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/544">TS</a>]

00:09:05   they announced theirs now you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/545">TS</a>]

00:09:07   access the command line in this sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/547">TS</a>]

00:09:11   your Azure dashboard or whatever it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/551">TS</a>]

00:09:13   like through web browser or on a mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/553">TS</a>]

00:09:15   app and it supports bash today and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/555">TS</a>]

00:09:18   PowerShell is coming PowerShell is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/558">TS</a>]

00:09:20   command line program for Windows and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/560">TS</a>]

00:09:23   me that that's that really that shows it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/563">TS</a>]

00:09:25   right which one do they support first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/565">TS</a>]

00:09:27   they support bash because what actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/567">TS</a>]

00:09:28   matters for most cloud applications is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/568">TS</a>]

00:09:30   what most developers are used to is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/570">TS</a>]

00:09:33   know Linux and and the linux shell and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/573">TS</a>]

00:09:35   that's where and so that's what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/575">TS</a>]

00:09:37   serving first and the Windows part is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/577">TS</a>]

00:09:39   coming but it will come it will come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/579">TS</a>]

00:09:41   soon yeah I think it isn't PowerShell in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/581">TS</a>]

00:09:46   a nutshell like there was the das prompt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/586">TS</a>]

00:09:49   and PowerShell is sort of them okay we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/589">TS</a>]

00:09:51   want a command line terminal type thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/591">TS</a>]

00:09:53   but das this piece of crap so here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/593">TS</a>]

00:09:56   something you know modern and and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/596">TS</a>]

00:09:59   least maybe not modeled after UNIX [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/599">TS</a>]

00:10:01   shells but at least as powerful as UNIX [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/601">TS</a>]

00:10:05   shell yeah I mean it's it's it's a it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/605">TS</a>]

00:10:07   a whole thing I mean it's you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/607">TS</a>]

00:10:09   a shell and a whole Wincott us its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/609">TS</a>]

00:10:11   scripting language and it's not actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/611">TS</a>]

00:10:13   open source lis or not but it yeah it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/613">TS</a>]

00:10:15   was released in 2006 I believe I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/615">TS</a>]

00:10:18   looking it up so I mean it's it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/618">TS</a>]

00:10:21   far removed from the sort of DOS days I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/621">TS</a>]

00:10:23   mean it's a proper shell like if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/623">TS</a>]

00:10:26   used very heavily by system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/626">TS</a>]

00:10:27   administrators and and folks that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/627">TS</a>]

00:10:29   managing computers and things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/629">TS</a>]

00:10:31   it's used on the server so it mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/631">TS</a>]

00:10:33   a proper shell it's but it's not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/633">TS</a>]

00:10:35   know it's different then as as one would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/635">TS</a>]

00:10:38   expect it's different than than bash can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/638">TS</a>]

00:10:41   I just as an aside it's so funny because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/641">TS</a>]

00:10:43   I didn't think we'd be talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/643">TS</a>]

00:10:44   shells but I do you ever use use command [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/644">TS</a>]

00:10:48   line on Mac os10 you use it sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/648">TS</a>]

00:10:49   right yeah rarely I have a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/649">TS</a>]

00:10:52   servers that did not my not destroy your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/652">TS</a>]

00:10:54   server that's managed but um I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/654">TS</a>]

00:10:57   few other servers that I do stuff on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/657">TS</a>]

00:10:59   I use it for that but I rarely I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/659">TS</a>]

00:11:02   do much scripting on on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/662">TS</a>]

00:11:04   computer do you do you care what shall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/664">TS</a>]

00:11:06   you use no I don't care at all I use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/666">TS</a>]

00:11:09   I use it very rarely I've I've used the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/669">TS</a>]

00:11:11   UNIX shell since at least 1990 - that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/671">TS</a>]

00:11:16   when ice when I switch to computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/676">TS</a>]

00:11:17   science at Drexel and I've you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/677">TS</a>]

00:11:22   mean I'm um I know enough to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/682">TS</a>]

00:11:25   whatever I need to do done but I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/685">TS</a>]

00:11:28   never enjoyed it never really and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/688">TS</a>]

00:11:30   never really liked writing shell scripts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/690">TS</a>]

00:11:33   and so if I ever had anything that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/693">TS</a>]

00:11:34   most people would write a shell script [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/694">TS</a>]

00:11:35   once I found out about parole I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/695">TS</a>]

00:11:38   wrote everything in Perl and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/698">TS</a>]

00:11:39   treated Perl if I needed to as my shell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/699">TS</a>]

00:11:42   scripting language so I never really got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/702">TS</a>]

00:11:44   deep roots and I know I think I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/704">TS</a>]

00:11:46   Mac os10 used to when it first shipped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/706">TS</a>]

00:11:49   was using tcsh as the shell or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/709">TS</a>]

00:11:52   I don't know and at some point it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/712">TS</a>]

00:11:54   switched to bash because bash sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/714">TS</a>]

00:11:56   become is like the most popular modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/716">TS</a>]

00:11:58   scripting language because Linux uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/718">TS</a>]

00:12:01   that I think but I never had deep roots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/721">TS</a>]

00:12:04   like it was never like like people get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/724">TS</a>]

00:12:07   tied up and they have like these shelves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/727">TS</a>]

00:12:08   or files you know the what do you call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/728">TS</a>]

00:12:11   your profile where you've got all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/731">TS</a>]

00:12:13   aliases and all this stuff set up so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/733">TS</a>]

00:12:15   that you can't really switch shells very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/735">TS</a>]

00:12:17   easily because you'd have to rewrite it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/737">TS</a>]

00:12:18   all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/738">TS</a>]

00:12:18   so anyway recently I switched my shell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/738">TS</a>]

00:12:22   err on my Mac's to fish have you heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/742">TS</a>]

00:12:24   about this shell I've heard you chatting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/744">TS</a>]

00:12:28   about it but it's no I it's fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/748">TS</a>]

00:12:31   and I think anybody who has deep roots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/751">TS</a>]

00:12:32   into a UNIX shell is not going to switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/752">TS</a>]

00:12:35   but it's a like a new shell it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/755">TS</a>]

00:12:38   know something that this guy Peter a man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/758">TS</a>]

00:12:40   made he's a engineer at Apple this isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/760">TS</a>]

00:12:44   an apple project it's something he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/764">TS</a>]

00:12:46   on the side but it's amazing and I thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/766">TS</a>]

00:12:48   I like about it is it's like completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/768">TS</a>]

00:12:50   logical in terms of how you do stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/770">TS</a>]

00:12:54   it doesn't have any kind of it by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/774">TS</a>]

00:12:57   separating itself from from the history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/777">TS</a>]

00:12:59   of UNIX shells it breaks a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/779">TS</a>]

00:13:03   things that other UNIX shells all do but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/783">TS</a>]

00:13:06   it like just for one thing one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/786">TS</a>]

00:13:08   that's so nice is that instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/788">TS</a>]

00:13:09   spewing a whole bunch of like dot files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/789">TS</a>]

00:13:12   you know the UNIX way of making a file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/792">TS</a>]

00:13:14   quote-unquote invisible a start the name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/794">TS</a>]

00:13:16   of the dot which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/796">TS</a>]

00:13:17   so gross that we're still using that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/797">TS</a>]

00:13:21   they did they had these you end up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/801">TS</a>]

00:13:25   like six of these files in your home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/805">TS</a>]

00:13:26   folder for each shell that you use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/806">TS</a>]

00:13:28   because in Iran they don't have names [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/808">TS</a>]

00:13:30   that make any sense and no they drive me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/810">TS</a>]

00:13:32   up the wall I know exactly we talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/812">TS</a>]

00:13:33   right it doesn't make any sense at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/813">TS</a>]

00:13:35   with fish you still have it you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/815">TS</a>]

00:13:38   dot file but it's it's a folder which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/818">TS</a>]

00:13:44   it called it's called but I'm really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/824">TS</a>]

00:13:48   exciting tonight aren't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/828">TS</a>]

00:13:49   I should do this later and I love that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/829">TS</a>]

00:13:52   it's called I think it's called like dot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/832">TS</a>]

00:13:54   config or something like that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/834">TS</a>]

00:13:56   there's one it's a it makes it folder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/836">TS</a>]

00:13:58   instead of a file and it's just one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/838">TS</a>]

00:14:00   folder called dot config and inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/840">TS</a>]

00:14:03   there is is where everything else goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/843">TS</a>]

00:14:10   so you just there's like a folder in dot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/850">TS</a>]

00:14:13   config that says fish and then inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/853">TS</a>]

00:14:15   that folder is all officious stuff so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/855">TS</a>]

00:14:17   other utilities use this convention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/857">TS</a>]

00:14:20   everything could go nice and neatly into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/860">TS</a>]

00:14:23   one folder called config anyway it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/863">TS</a>]

00:14:25   really neat I'll put a link in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/865">TS</a>]

00:14:26   notes to fish it's really I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/866">TS</a>]

00:14:29   really neat so oh that reminds me what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/869">TS</a>]

00:14:33   is the last time I was on um 2000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/873">TS</a>]

00:14:36   January 2017 looks like and we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/876">TS</a>]

00:14:39   about the Mac a little bit then and I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/879">TS</a>]

00:14:41   do have to say I think pretty much that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/881">TS</a>]

00:14:43   that episode holds up I think pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/883">TS</a>]

00:14:45   well after the after the the news that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/885">TS</a>]

00:14:50   come out about the Mac Pro and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/890">TS</a>]

00:14:51   like that like I think our general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/891">TS</a>]

00:14:53   presumption was that there was a screw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/893">TS</a>]

00:14:55   up they wand update it but couldn't and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/895">TS</a>]

00:14:57   they're not abandoning the platform and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/897">TS</a>]

00:15:00   and it was just a screw-up and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/900">TS</a>]

00:15:02   that's basically what ended up would end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/902">TS</a>]

00:15:04   up happening so that I'm glad we uh glad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/904">TS</a>]

00:15:06   we got that one right yeah I think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/906">TS</a>]

00:15:09   too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/909">TS</a>]

00:15:09   anyway before I glued fish I'll just say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/909">TS</a>]

00:15:11   this if you're a nerd and nerdy enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/911">TS</a>]

00:15:12   to use the terminal but you've somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/912">TS</a>]

00:15:14   never gotten attached to bash or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/914">TS</a>]

00:15:16   seashell or Z shell or any of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/916">TS</a>]

00:15:19   things you should give fish a try it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/919">TS</a>]

00:15:21   really easy to install [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/921">TS</a>]

00:15:22   through homebrew and I like it so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/922">TS</a>]

00:15:25   more than any shell I've ever tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/925">TS</a>]

00:15:27   because it's just somehow makes sense it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/927">TS</a>]

00:15:29   makes sense that it comes from somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/929">TS</a>]

00:15:30   who works at Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/930">TS</a>]

00:15:31   it sort of makes sense in the way Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/931">TS</a>]

00:15:32   software does right that's what made me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/932">TS</a>]

00:15:35   think of it is the idea of like change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/935">TS</a>]

00:15:36   like one even having access to a shell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/936">TS</a>]

00:15:39   and being able to change it and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/939">TS</a>]

00:15:41   things you can do through a shell like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/941">TS</a>]

00:15:42   that's it's it's a thing you do on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/942">TS</a>]

00:15:45   computers which is that I start remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/945">TS</a>]

00:15:47   why I went back to that last episode but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/947">TS</a>]

00:15:49   yeah that's why I mean it's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/949">TS</a>]

00:15:51   example yeah it does things like it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/951">TS</a>]

00:15:52   like if you want to change the color the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/952">TS</a>]

00:15:54   syntax colouring for the shell like for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/954">TS</a>]

00:15:56   which like a command is this color the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/956">TS</a>]

00:15:58   arguments are this color the outputs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/958">TS</a>]

00:16:00   this color in error is this color when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/960">TS</a>]

00:16:02   you config you don't have to just type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/962">TS</a>]

00:16:04   in a file you can do something and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/964">TS</a>]

00:16:05   opens a little web local web browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/965">TS</a>]

00:16:07   window and so you can visually pick the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/967">TS</a>]

00:16:10   colors and see actually see the colors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/970">TS</a>]

00:16:12   as you add to them it's oh nice amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/972">TS</a>]

00:16:14   stuff it's so anyway it's really cool so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/974">TS</a>]

00:16:20   anyway PowerShell it's is coming soon it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/980">TS</a>]

00:16:23   and bash is already is the default and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/983">TS</a>]

00:16:26   first available thing that support for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/986">TS</a>]

00:16:29   this for this dashboard sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/989">TS</a>]

00:16:31   interface for the other thing I saw it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/991">TS</a>]

00:16:32   was announced was I forget what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/992">TS</a>]

00:16:34   call it but whatever Microsoft version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/994">TS</a>]

00:16:36   of Xcode is what's it called virtual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/996">TS</a>]

00:16:39   studio visual studio whatever the visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/999">TS</a>]

00:16:41   studio universal studio is now I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1001">TS</a>]

00:16:43   it's not wasn't a surprise but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1003">TS</a>]

00:16:45   there's a version of it for Mac now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1005">TS</a>]

00:16:47   which is crazy yep and they did a demo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1007">TS</a>]

00:16:51   and it was more like oh we're doing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:53   demo on a Mac it wasn't like a we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1013">TS</a>]

00:16:55   definitely this program but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1015">TS</a>]

00:16:56   actually when they were doing the I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1016">TS</a>]

00:16:58   think is when they're demoing the shell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1018">TS</a>]

00:17:00   and it was on a map yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1020">TS</a>]

00:17:03   and that it you know it it's of a piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1023">TS</a>]

00:17:06   it's the exact same you know two sides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1026">TS</a>]

00:17:08   of the same coin with the windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1028">TS</a>]

00:17:10   keynote being on day two the entire idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1030">TS</a>]

00:17:14   that if you're developing on Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1034">TS</a>]

00:17:18   server side technologies the assumption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1038">TS</a>]

00:17:21   that you're developing with a Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1041">TS</a>]

00:17:22   client and with your hands on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:24   keyboard is no longer there like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:26   completely come you know committed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:28   realized that but I don't know if it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:31   majority of developers but certainly an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:34   enormous chunk of them are using Mac's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1054">TS</a>]

00:17:37   as their client whether they're writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1057">TS</a>]

00:17:39   Mac software or not even if they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1059">TS</a>]

00:17:41   doing like web development or Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1061">TS</a>]

00:17:42   development or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1062">TS</a>]

00:17:43   or saw anything server-side I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1063">TS</a>]

00:17:45   there's an enormous chunk of them who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1065">TS</a>]

00:17:47   are using MacBooks yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1067">TS</a>]

00:17:51   no yep and and the platforms that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1071">TS</a>]

00:17:53   they're developing for um you know yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1073">TS</a>]

00:17:56   on PC it's still meal windows still as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1076">TS</a>]

00:17:59   it you know dominant more the dominant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1079">TS</a>]

00:18:01   share but pcs aren't a piece species are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1081">TS</a>]

00:18:06   the fast I mean in a very real way or in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1086">TS</a>]

00:18:08   you know to a topic I'm sure we'll get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1088">TS</a>]

00:18:11   to there they were never even a thing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1091">TS</a>]

00:18:13   and that's that's the reality that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:16   Microsoft has to deal with for and to in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1096">TS</a>]

00:18:18   and I think they by and large are again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:20   that doesn't mean that they're out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:22   the woods because they still have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1102">TS</a>]

00:18:24   stuff to actually reach consumers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1104">TS</a>]

00:18:25   actually get in front of them both in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1105">TS</a>]

00:18:27   terms both in that applies to business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:29   just as much as applies to to end-users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1109">TS</a>]

00:18:31   but at least they're you know not stuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1111">TS</a>]

00:18:35   focused on focused on the past yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:40   so now we're in unusual how things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1120">TS</a>]

00:18:45   change situation where Microsoft is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1125">TS</a>]

00:18:48   company that's flexible about what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1128">TS</a>]

00:18:51   machines people are using to develop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1131">TS</a>]

00:18:52   against their technologies and apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1132">TS</a>]

00:18:54   the company that makes you develop on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1134">TS</a>]

00:18:56   Mac to write for their phone OS right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1136">TS</a>]

00:18:59   exactly exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:00   not that I blame Apple for that might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1140">TS</a>]

00:19:03   have come out as me you know blaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:04   them I to makes profiles again but uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1144">TS</a>]

00:19:08   it's just it's just a funny situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1148">TS</a>]

00:19:14   yeah I mean the apples the company with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1154">TS</a>]

00:19:17   an operating system was such over well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:18   at overwhelming market share that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1158">TS</a>]

00:19:20   can compel developers to buy a machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1160">TS</a>]

00:19:23   that they otherwise wouldn't buy just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:25   do development for it yeah it's it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1165">TS</a>]

00:19:28   it's hard to especially if you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1168">TS</a>]

00:19:31   following Apple I'm sure it's harder for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1171">TS</a>]

00:19:33   you than for me I mean back in I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:35   following Apple that I used when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1175">TS</a>]

00:19:36   wasn't using one and to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1176">TS</a>]

00:19:41   appreciate the extent to which they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:43   not the underdog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1183">TS</a>]

00:19:45   at all it like it's it's easy easier the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1185">TS</a>]

00:19:48   situation to change on the ground before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1188">TS</a>]

00:19:49   it's before changes sort of your mental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:52   state and I think that's a proper app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1192">TS</a>]

00:19:54   that was an app prom for Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1194">TS</a>]

00:19:56   internally to like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1196">TS</a>]

00:19:57   you act and behave changes when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1197">TS</a>]

00:20:00   when you're dominant as opposed to when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1200">TS</a>]

00:20:02   you're you know the sort of scrappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1202">TS</a>]

00:20:05   scrappy underdog yeah um yeah totally so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1205">TS</a>]

00:20:10   what else is going on at surface or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1210">TS</a>]

00:20:12   surface had build you know that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1212">TS</a>]

00:20:14   conference I was I was at the one time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1214">TS</a>]

00:20:16   was in a video yes that's right uh feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1216">TS</a>]

00:20:20   like a long time ago well it's it's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1220">TS</a>]

00:20:23   mean it's crazy I'll lightning ahead Way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1223">TS</a>]

00:20:24   was a while ago it has to been what four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:27   four or five years ago three years ago I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1227">TS</a>]

00:20:29   think I think was wrong I think so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1229">TS</a>]

00:20:32   was somebody's I thought I was still in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1232">TS</a>]

00:20:33   the states when that happened but yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1233">TS</a>]

00:20:35   think it was three years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1235">TS</a>]

00:20:36   but I could be wrong but long story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1236">TS</a>]

00:20:37   short for those who don't remember this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:39   was when I was working with Brent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1239">TS</a>]

00:20:40   Simmons and Dave wish because they we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1240">TS</a>]

00:20:42   called her social q-branch we had her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1242">TS</a>]

00:20:43   app vesper and we did the sinking our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:47   own sinking back-end for various reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1247">TS</a>]

00:20:51   but we built it on I guess I think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1251">TS</a>]

00:20:54   were there right we were doing it at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1254">TS</a>]

00:20:55   time when they called it Windows Azure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1255">TS</a>]

00:20:58   and they made like they made us one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1258">TS</a>]

00:21:01   the like examples in a little video that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1261">TS</a>]

00:21:03   they showed on the in the keynote flew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1263">TS</a>]

00:21:06   us out there and everything was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1266">TS</a>]

00:21:08   nice kind of weird they have yeah they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1268">TS</a>]

00:21:11   have this uh they have a real-time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1271">TS</a>]

00:21:13   translator for Microsoft PowerPoint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1273">TS</a>]

00:21:15   that's kind of nifty so when you can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:18   presenting and it will be show like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:20   real-time translation of the of the UH [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1280">TS</a>]

00:21:25   yeah so that's kind interesting but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:28   again I mean it's it was mostly like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1288">TS</a>]

00:21:30   was it was mostly all back and stuff so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1290">TS</a>]

00:21:32   which which which is fine I think as far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:36   as consumer-facing stuff you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:38   one today is probably going to be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:40   more interesting but then again they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:42   just announced the the windows s and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1302">TS</a>]

00:21:44   new laptop so a couple weeks ago so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1304">TS</a>]

00:21:46   think they're disposed there's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1306">TS</a>]

00:21:48   might be a Cortana speaker like a like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:50   an echo type device yeah at which but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:54   again you know I mean actually getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1314">TS</a>]

00:21:56   customers to get customers hands is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1316">TS</a>]

00:21:58   gonna is going to be the challenge I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1318">TS</a>]

00:22:00   guess the reason I was going to say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1320">TS</a>]

00:22:02   gave somebody who observes Apple it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:05   weird because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1325">TS</a>]

00:22:07   I have muscle memory you know and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:11   weird to see a company that's so on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:13   Apple like like it's baffling to me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:16   they would hold an event a week before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1336">TS</a>]

00:22:19   their big developer conference right or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1339">TS</a>]

00:22:21   they would talk about a new operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1341">TS</a>]

00:22:23   system and unveil these new products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1343">TS</a>]

00:22:25   like why wouldn't you do that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1345">TS</a>]

00:22:26   keynote but I'm guessing you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:28   the keynote this morning ran long and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:30   then the Windows one tomorrow they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1350">TS</a>]

00:22:31   their keynotes already already run long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:34   right I mean today was really I mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1354">TS</a>]

00:22:37   was much more of yeah it was pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1357">TS</a>]

00:22:40   hardcore like back-end development or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1360">TS</a>]

00:22:42   wine a business application sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:44   stuff I mean it wasn't a really consumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1364">TS</a>]

00:22:46   facing thing at all it not even on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:49   slightest and yeah maybe they could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:51   announced the the things tomorrow but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:53   think yeah there's a very queer sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1373">TS</a>]

00:22:56   bifurcation and I think you've nailed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1376">TS</a>]

00:22:58   before what Windows is sort of its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1378">TS</a>]

00:23:00   thing particularly the consumer facing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:02   side of Windows and I think they there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1382">TS</a>]

00:23:05   relatively free rein to do what they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1385">TS</a>]

00:23:07   to you know support and earn customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1387">TS</a>]

00:23:10   but that doesn't necessarily really have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1390">TS</a>]

00:23:12   much impact particularly from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:15   strategic perspective on the rest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1395">TS</a>]

00:23:17   Microsoft which is you know really the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1397">TS</a>]

00:23:19   future of the company and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1399">TS</a>]

00:23:21   probably this is probably a good example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:23   of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1403">TS</a>]

00:23:24   it was weird I know today's build they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1404">TS</a>]

00:23:28   move it around I think all that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1408">TS</a>]

00:23:29   they often move it around but this Sears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1409">TS</a>]

00:23:31   is in Seattle when I went two or three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1411">TS</a>]

00:23:33   years ago three four years ago whenever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1413">TS</a>]

00:23:35   it was it was in San Francisco in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1415">TS</a>]

00:23:36   Moscone which only added to this sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:40   we were feeling bizarro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:42   like I was in a bizarro developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1422">TS</a>]

00:23:44   bizarro WWDC because they even had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1424">TS</a>]

00:23:48   keynote at third floor you know we wrap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1428">TS</a>]

00:23:50   what Apple always calls the room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:51   Presidio you know that the those big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1431">TS</a>]

00:23:56   convention spaces are sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1436">TS</a>]

00:23:58   modular you know there's walls that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1438">TS</a>]

00:24:00   be moved around to change the shape and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1440">TS</a>]

00:24:02   make room slightly bigger or smaller but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:07   the thing that Microsoft did what and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:09   I've seen so many keynotes in that room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1449">TS</a>]

00:24:11   because Macworld Expo used to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1451">TS</a>]

00:24:13   keynotes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1453">TS</a>]

00:24:13   in the same room WWDC every year I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1453">TS</a>]

00:24:18   those are the two things but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1458">TS</a>]

00:24:19   Macworld Expo and W [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1459">TS</a>]

00:24:21   Sika notes in that room and apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:23   configuration of the room is almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1463">TS</a>]

00:24:25   always the same it's a very if you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1465">TS</a>]

00:24:27   almost think that it the room always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1467">TS</a>]

00:24:29   looks like that but it's actually like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:30   an apple setup like it when WWDC has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:33   done all that everything in there is out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1473">TS</a>]

00:24:35   and the thing that Microsoft did was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:37   they had their stage along what in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:41   Apple's configuration is the side like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:44   Apple sits the room with the stage in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1484">TS</a>]

00:24:46   the front and the room goes back long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1486">TS</a>]

00:24:48   Microsoft set it up said that the stage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1488">TS</a>]

00:24:51   was wide and the room wasn't as deep and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1491">TS</a>]

00:24:55   they site in a way that that made sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:57   even though it made more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1497">TS</a>]

00:24:59   everybody was closer to the stage and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1499">TS</a>]

00:25:01   Microsoft's configuration but people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:03   were further from the center if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:05   didn't have a center seat and they made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1505">TS</a>]

00:25:07   up for that by having huge screens that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:09   were just showed the same instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1509">TS</a>]

00:25:11   having one big screen that shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1511">TS</a>]

00:25:13   something they had like a wall of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:15   screens that all showed the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:16   over and over again and it just weirded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:20   me out it was just guess it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:23   it's like coming home and somebody has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:24   moved all of the furniture like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1524">TS</a>]

00:25:26   everything is the same except they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1526">TS</a>]

00:25:28   rotated every room in your house by 90 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1528">TS</a>]

00:25:30   degrees that would be weird uh but yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:34   no no no Moscone keynote again this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:37   I mean right well they've been in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1537">TS</a>]

00:25:39   the what is it the Billy Billy Graham [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1539">TS</a>]

00:25:41   auditorium oh is that what it's called I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1541">TS</a>]

00:25:44   uh something like that I don't think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:46   mean they might never do Apple might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1546">TS</a>]

00:25:48   never do a Moscone right I was gonna say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1548">TS</a>]

00:25:50   yeah what might be uh which is fine he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1550">TS</a>]

00:25:54   wasn't it wasn't the greatest I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1554">TS</a>]

00:25:56   like the I'm not a big fan of the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1556">TS</a>]

00:25:57   set up in Moscow nee I'm not either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1557">TS</a>]

00:26:00   really I don't have anything against it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:02   but I thought the Microsoft setup was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:03   actually very nice I've it worked very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1563">TS</a>]

00:26:06   well and I felt like everybody got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:09   you couldn't really see may not be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:11   to see the actual people but if you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:13   I feel like if you were sitting seated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:15   along the side you had a much bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:16   screen in front of you than you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1576">TS</a>]

00:26:18   seated in the back in Moscow me an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:21   setup right exactly yeah I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1581">TS</a>]

00:26:24   Apple Apple might never have an event in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:26   San Francisco again you never say never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:27   I mean who knows but I because I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:30   like for their smaller events they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:32   going to have them at their headquarters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:32   in the Steve Jobs theater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:34   right I don't think you name the theater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:36   Steve Jobs theater unless you intend to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1596">TS</a>]

00:26:39   use it quite a bit to unveil new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:41   products right like I'm sure they're you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:44   know have you been to the new campus you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1604">TS</a>]

00:26:46   know I've never I don't even know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:48   it is I was asking about it when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1608">TS</a>]

00:26:49   out there for the Mac Pro summit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:52   whatever you want to round table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1612">TS</a>]

00:26:54   discussion it was a I guess it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1614">TS</a>]

00:26:58   isn't close I don't know to be I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1618">TS</a>]

00:27:01   worked there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:01   so I one of the buildings that was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:03   was torn down so I definitely know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:06   it is be guys it's it's it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:08   another exit on the freeway from from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1628">TS</a>]

00:27:10   where the current campus is right and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1630">TS</a>]

00:27:12   did you could drive there through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1632">TS</a>]

00:27:14   through through city roads but yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:16   a little bit of a hike it on the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:18   side of the freeway so it just wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:21   convenient and I didn't have a car so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:22   what wasn't like I was going to take an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1642">TS</a>]

00:27:24   uber to go look at a construction site I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1644">TS</a>]

00:27:27   mean those fly overs that people publish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1647">TS</a>]

00:27:29   from those drones are probably better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1649">TS</a>]

00:27:31   than what you'd get looking at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:32   ground from the outside yep yeah I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1652">TS</a>]

00:27:36   so I mean maybe uh I mean I imagine the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1656">TS</a>]

00:27:42   ID well I guess we'll see with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:44   iPhone with the iPhone announcement but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:47   they did that they did that in San Jose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1667">TS</a>]

00:27:49   also not last year but for the when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1669">TS</a>]

00:27:53   did the watch the watch unveiling was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1673">TS</a>]

00:27:55   was in San Jose uh yeah where was that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1675">TS</a>]

00:28:00   forget where it was I don't think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:01   San Jose no it was at the the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1681">TS</a>]

00:28:04   unveiling was at the the College in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:08   Cupertino [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:08   oh is that was that Cupertino I I hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:12   it wasn't it's like some that I forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:15   the name of the college but De Anza or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:17   something I I forget what the hell of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1697">TS</a>]

00:28:19   this but it was not know the one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:20   was in San Jose was an iPad event like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1700">TS</a>]

00:28:23   in 2011 I think or 2012 I don't know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1703">TS</a>]

00:28:26   was right before Scott Forstall got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1706">TS</a>]

00:28:28   fired how was the how was the the Danza [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1708">TS</a>]

00:28:33   auditorium or whatever it was I was all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1713">TS</a>]

00:28:35   right it wasn't it wasn't anything to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:39   write home about that was the one where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:41   Apple build a big mysterious white box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1721">TS</a>]

00:28:42   out front right right right and that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1722">TS</a>]

00:28:44   the end ecology of the ends is that what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:46   it is DeAnza College [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1726">TS</a>]

00:28:48   yep um it was okay uh I'm not surprised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1728">TS</a>]

00:28:52   that they haven't been back since I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1732">TS</a>]

00:28:54   don't think it was great I think the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1734">TS</a>]

00:28:56   thing people don't seem to understand is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1736">TS</a>]

00:28:58   that this Steve Jobs theater is not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1738">TS</a>]

00:29:00   big either like there's no way they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1740">TS</a>]

00:29:01   can't have like a WWE seeking out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:07   some people have speculated that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1747">TS</a>]

00:29:09   know maybe this year they'll secretly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1749">TS</a>]

00:29:11   bus everybody to the new campus to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1751">TS</a>]

00:29:13   the keynote there or something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:14   like--that's that no you can't but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:17   can't bus 5,000 people there but B it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:20   not a 5,000 person auditorium I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1760">TS</a>]

00:29:21   know what this evening and see that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1761">TS</a>]

00:29:23   don't want 5,000 people writing her on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1763">TS</a>]

00:29:25   that campus right I don't think yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1765">TS</a>]

00:29:27   don't think they want people on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1767">TS</a>]

00:29:28   campus well be the old the old uh the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:31   old one town uh what's called God [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1771">TS</a>]

00:29:33   yeah Tony Hall that was tiny that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1773">TS</a>]

00:29:36   turn it was like but I said I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1776">TS</a>]

00:29:39   yeah that makes sense though I suppose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:42   the I bet WABC will end up back in San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:45   Francisco we'll see I'll probably see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:48   how it goes this year and then because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:50   the reason it's in San Jose this year is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:51   because Moscone Center construction I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1791">TS</a>]

00:29:53   don't know what I don't believe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:55   I really don't what well basically all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1795">TS</a>]

00:29:57   of the but everyone is not in Moscone by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1797">TS</a>]

00:30:01   and large like how they have there been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:02   any big events there I mean I know only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1802">TS</a>]

00:30:03   part of Muskaan's are construction but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:05   don't think Apple is the only one to let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:08   their stuff on their schedule if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:09   look it's so north and south Moscone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:11   north and south the big like the expo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1811">TS</a>]

00:30:13   hall ones are closed and they're ripping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1813">TS</a>]

00:30:15   up the street i if there's an argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:17   for it it's the fact that they've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1817">TS</a>]

00:30:19   the street ripped up I guess that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:20   Howard Street is all ripped up for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1820">TS</a>]

00:30:23   north and south expansion but Moscone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1823">TS</a>]

00:30:25   West is still open and is not being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:27   renovated and I've you know before Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1827">TS</a>]

00:30:30   made this announcement you could look on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1830">TS</a>]

00:30:31   the schedule in their world you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1831">TS</a>]

00:30:33   there was like one open week in June but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:35   the otherwise there's stuff in Moscone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1835">TS</a>]

00:30:37   week Moscone West all the time I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:41   be wrong yeah not are you right I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:44   know I mean who cares if the streets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1844">TS</a>]

00:30:46   ripped up I've seen people say well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1846">TS</a>]

00:30:47   streets all ripped up oh who gives a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:49   crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:49   I don't know you'd say nobody's done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:51   like everybody's driving down Howard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1851">TS</a>]

00:30:53   Street to get to WWDC I think if Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1853">TS</a>]

00:30:55   wanted to have it at Moscone West this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1855">TS</a>]

00:30:57   year they would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1857">TS</a>]

00:30:58   I think there's other reasons you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1858">TS</a>]

00:31:01   whether they got a better deal whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:03   they really you know I I do think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1863">TS</a>]

00:31:05   think Apple is if you can put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:07   personality on a company there are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1867">TS</a>]

00:31:09   homebody company they they don't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:13   are not a San Francisco company I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:14   they have a couple of offices there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:16   you know they really are at as a company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:19   they're at home on their campus in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:21   Cupertino and I feel like they being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1881">TS</a>]

00:31:23   closer to home is better for them yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:26   no question I mean just being in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1886">TS</a>]

00:31:30   valley I mean they're they're not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1890">TS</a>]

00:31:31   it's own insular sort of culture like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:34   it's much less sort of interspersed I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:37   obviously an employee level that's on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:39   the solicit case but especially once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:41   get more into senior management I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:42   it's it's it's own world like it's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:45   the same geographic area but the rest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:48   the valley I think is much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1908">TS</a>]

00:31:49   intertwined with Google and there's much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:53   more of a sort of back and forth in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:54   that perspective when it comes to sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1914">TS</a>]

00:31:56   of Big Valley companies and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1916">TS</a>]

00:31:58   in San Francisco but yeah my Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1918">TS</a>]

00:32:00   always been its own its own sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1920">TS</a>]

00:32:03   universe and you see it you see that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1923">TS</a>]

00:32:05   over the place not just in the valley [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1925">TS</a>]

00:32:06   you see it sort of online you see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:08   when it comes to Apple fans there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:10   lot of people who are Apple fans or that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:11   are not necessarily tech fans you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:14   actually see that when it comes to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:15   readers and you see it you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:19   popular culture where yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1939">TS</a>]

00:32:22   interesting it really is its own sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:23   its own sort of entity for better or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1943">TS</a>]

00:32:26   worse yeah and I think at a practical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1946">TS</a>]

00:32:28   level it's absolutely the case I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1948">TS</a>]

00:32:30   there's no argument no spin it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1950">TS</a>]

00:32:32   just a fact that San Jose is so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1952">TS</a>]

00:32:35   closer to Apple's campus or campuses and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:39   Cupertino that for engineers at Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:43   who have things to do that week that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:46   they need to be at the office they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1966">TS</a>]

00:32:47   swing by they might be able to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1967">TS</a>]

00:32:49   couple of hours work in their office and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:51   then go to WWDC in the afternoon for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1971">TS</a>]

00:32:55   labs or something like that and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:57   might get you know attendees might get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1977">TS</a>]

00:32:59   interaction with significantly more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1979">TS</a>]

00:33:01   engineers from Apple who couldn't take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:03   an entire day to go up to San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1983">TS</a>]

00:33:06   because it's night and day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1986">TS</a>]

00:33:07   I mean San Francisco is can be over an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1987">TS</a>]

00:33:10   hour away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1990">TS</a>]

00:33:11   depending on traffic and San Jose it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:14   you know probably like 10 15 minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:15   drive yep yep exactly as you you found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:19   us you found a good spot for for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/1999">TS</a>]

00:33:21   talk show yeah yeah I'm in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2001">TS</a>]

00:33:22   California theater where that iPad event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:26   was the one that was in San Jose so he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:30   a lot bigger than the old place good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:32   place where I had my show yeah oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:34   it's so much bigger it's guys like as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2014">TS</a>]

00:33:37   get 1,100 seat capacity and I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2017">TS</a>]

00:33:39   that when we had it mezzanine in San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2019">TS</a>]

00:33:42   Francisco which I love which I still if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:44   you know I love that facility I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:47   doing a show there but I think we capped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:48   it at 500 I think you could mezzanine a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2028">TS</a>]

00:33:53   attendance cap is significantly higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:55   than that but 500 seems to you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2035">TS</a>]

00:33:58   and judging from people's reactions over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2038">TS</a>]

00:34:00   the years if it's it keeps it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:02   getting too crowded like I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2042">TS</a>]

00:34:04   attack the most number of people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2044">TS</a>]

00:34:05   there I feel bad when people like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2045">TS</a>]

00:34:08   think tickets sold out in like 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:09   minutes last year so I feel bad that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2049">TS</a>]

00:34:10   people want to go can't come but I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:13   rather have everybody I draw there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2053">TS</a>]

00:34:16   fewer people come and more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2056">TS</a>]

00:34:17   excluded but have everybody be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2057">TS</a>]

00:34:19   comfortable but I uh yeah are there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2059">TS</a>]

00:34:21   gonna be drinks I think that's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:23   the the more pressing question there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:24   will be drinks and I don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2064">TS</a>]

00:34:26   that's going to work because it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:28   the--it's a real theater theater and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:30   don't know yeah any pictures right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:31   right I don't know how easy it'll be for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:33   people who are sitting in the middle of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:34   a road to go get drinks so I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:36   it might have to be sort of a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2076">TS</a>]

00:34:40   get your load on get your load on before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:42   the show starts that was the great thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:43   about Bethenny's you could like every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2083">TS</a>]

00:34:45   obviously there was the seating and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:46   you're in a seat was the your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:48   interviewer or you know the show was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:50   going on you wouldn't get up and go but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2090">TS</a>]

00:34:51   you could also just sort of be in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:53   back and be you know mingling a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:55   bit and getting a drink and uh so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:58   it kind of served a you could watch you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:00   could watch the show in multiple in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:02   multiple ways okay which was nice well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2102">TS</a>]

00:35:05   we'll see I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:05   but 1,100 people Jesus that's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:07   be nerve-racking as a balcony and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:10   everything it does is it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:12   beautiful I'm looking at the looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:14   the pictures right now yeah take it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:17   still aren't on sale but they will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:18   soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2118">TS</a>]

00:35:20   that's right now okay I forgot that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:24   hadn't I like that maybe people give the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:26   Munsell with how you post what I am you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:28   know I'm not waiting till the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:29   minute but it's just lots of little too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2129">TS</a>]

00:35:31   it's not too much work I don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:33   it's not like I'm sitting there hooking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:34   microphones up and stuff but there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2134">TS</a>]

00:35:37   lot of details to be worked out yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:38   anyway well hopefully hopefully I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2138">TS</a>]

00:35:40   give it give anything away no no no no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:42   no no that's a secret it even the venue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:44   is art it's right there on apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2144">TS</a>]

00:35:45   website and stuff like that so i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:47   keeping it secret anyway let's take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2147">TS</a>]

00:35:50   break i thank our four sponsors our good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:51   friends at fracture fracture is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:54   photo decor company that's out to rescue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2154">TS</a>]

00:35:56   your favorite images from the digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2156">TS</a>]

00:35:58   ether that's their words not mine here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2158">TS</a>]

00:36:01   what they do they take your photos they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:02   print them directly on glass right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:04   on the glass on the glass not a piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:06   paper glued to glass they I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2166">TS</a>]

00:36:08   what they have they've custom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2168">TS</a>]

00:36:09   proprietary stuff they just put glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:12   into the printer the printer puts your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2172">TS</a>]

00:36:15   photo right on the glass and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2175">TS</a>]

00:36:16   mail it to you and it looks amazing it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:19   got that Retina effect where it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:21   looks like it doesn't look it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2181">TS</a>]

00:36:23   there's just such a different effect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2183">TS</a>]

00:36:25   than a piece of paper behind a piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2185">TS</a>]

00:36:27   glass and frame and it takes all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:30   pain-in-the-ass stuff out of hanging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:32   pictures up because this happens to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2192">TS</a>]

00:36:34   every time every time I used to get like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:37   Ikea frames or something like that you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2197">TS</a>]

00:36:38   put a photo in there and then you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2198">TS</a>]

00:36:40   to get those little things on the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2200">TS</a>]

00:36:42   that take that secure the cardboard you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2202">TS</a>]

00:36:44   flip them up and then you put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:46   picture in then you put the cardboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:47   back in and you flip them back down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2207">TS</a>]

00:36:48   inevitably the picture goes like two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:50   degrees off and you got to open it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:53   start all over again what a pain in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2213">TS</a>]

00:36:54   ass with the pictures from fractured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2214">TS</a>]

00:36:57   there's nothing like that can happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2217">TS</a>]

00:36:58   it's just a piece of glass so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2218">TS</a>]

00:36:59   always perfectly aligned and they ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2219">TS</a>]

00:37:02   you everything you need to hang it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:04   the wall in the box they even include [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:06   the wall anchor just upload your digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:08   photo on their website pick the size and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2228">TS</a>]

00:37:10   just wait for it to show up in a mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2230">TS</a>]

00:37:12   that's it could not be easier where do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:15   you go to find out more fracture me.com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:18   slash podcast not did everyone every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:22   time I read it I feel like I'm making a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:23   mistake and that that's some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2243">TS</a>]

00:37:25   placeholder but that's really the URL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2245">TS</a>]

00:37:26   fracture me.com slash podcast and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2246">TS</a>]

00:37:30   guess they use the same URL for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2250">TS</a>]

00:37:32   podcasts but then at the end when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:34   they'll say hey where'd you find out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2254">TS</a>]

00:37:35   about fracture and you can say the talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:37   show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:38   hey go buy something for Father's Day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2258">TS</a>]

00:37:40   it's a great great gift too late for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2260">TS</a>]

00:37:41   Mother's Day Mother's Day is like two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:43   days from now but fathers days coming up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:46   next month what an amazing gift go buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2266">TS</a>]

00:37:49   fracture for your for your father your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2269">TS</a>]

00:37:51   husband anything like that what a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:53   gift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:55   well I fractured me is is memorable yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2275">TS</a>]

00:37:59   and to your l's at euros are hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2279">TS</a>]

00:38:01   there's someone was making fun of there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:04   is a tweets and effective tech before so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2284">TS</a>]

00:38:07   are so uncreated that they have a site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:09   about strategy and tactile trajectory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2289">TS</a>]

00:38:10   and I'm like it's it's true I've no I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2290">TS</a>]

00:38:13   no excuse every dairy firewall as always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2293">TS</a>]

00:38:16   I'm always like damaged I should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:19   hired you to get a name you find me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:21   name before I started but I know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:23   now it's too late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:24   it's the other thing too is is getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:25   any URLs hard and the one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2305">TS</a>]

00:38:27   when I started I had no money I was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:30   was in debt that you know and the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2310">TS</a>]

00:38:33   like going out and spending money to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:35   a a URL or whatever or Twitter handle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:38   stuff like one of the advantages of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2318">TS</a>]

00:38:40   trajectory is it was available um I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2320">TS</a>]

00:38:41   would I like I said I probably wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2321">TS</a>]

00:38:43   use it again if I starting over because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:45   it's you know so hard to say hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2325">TS</a>]

00:38:46   spell hahaha which is not a good not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2326">TS</a>]

00:38:49   good combo but but yeah it's it's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:52   you the whole URL Twitter handle thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2332">TS</a>]

00:38:55   is uh it's tough you know I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:59   fracture me especially now after you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:01   sort of made that that that little joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2341">TS</a>]

00:39:03   you know that I have during fireball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2343">TS</a>]

00:39:06   calm right yeah but it redirects to done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2346">TS</a>]

00:39:09   it right and some people don't ask about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:11   that anymore in the early years people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2351">TS</a>]

00:39:12   would be like why why do you why do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:14   redirect to.net why don't you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:16   wouldn't would most people if I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2356">TS</a>]

00:39:18   both redirected calm and I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2358">TS</a>]

00:39:22   like to me it's like I started using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:24   internet so early when most domains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:28   weren't comms you know like dot orgs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2368">TS</a>]

00:39:31   dot ed use bed use were probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2371">TS</a>]

00:39:33   most popular that I used uh and net to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:37   but to me.com was sort of crass in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:41   early years and I know that in the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2381">TS</a>]

00:39:43   know after the document even called the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:45   bubble the calm bubble like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:47   sort of became the the neutral one right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:51   it's like ground zero of all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2391">TS</a>]

00:39:53   top-level domains like by default you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2393">TS</a>]

00:39:55   wanna calm but like when I was I'm in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:59   mind it still is sort of crass I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2399">TS</a>]

00:40:01   know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:02   again the early years all the dot-com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2402">TS</a>]

00:40:04   sites were garbage right with it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2404">TS</a>]

00:40:08   supposed to be like commercial right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2408">TS</a>]

00:40:09   think it was dancefloor then try I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2409">TS</a>]

00:40:12   I liked I agree I like dotnet better but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2412">TS</a>]

00:40:15   yes I give in to the to the prevailing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2415">TS</a>]

00:40:18   own trajectory got net also but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2418">TS</a>]

00:40:19   redirects in the opposite direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:21   right and like Kottke I think a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:23   really early types you know like me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:27   was it like hockey org yeah and I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:29   it wouldn't work like neither it somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2429">TS</a>]

00:40:32   is part of the domain like cocky net [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:34   wouldn't be right cocky calm would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2434">TS</a>]

00:40:36   awful like it just it wouldn't be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2436">TS</a>]

00:40:39   same like Kottke org is exactly right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2439">TS</a>]

00:40:41   and for whatever reason in my mind it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:44   just like when you rewrite a sentence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2444">TS</a>]

00:40:46   and just use the same words but you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2446">TS</a>]

00:40:49   a clause in the middle of the sentence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:51   as opposed to at the end or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:52   like that and one way reads great in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2452">TS</a>]

00:40:54   way it doesn't to me daring firebolt net [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2454">TS</a>]

00:40:56   reads better than daring fireball calm I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2456">TS</a>]

00:41:00   relayed the great thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2460">TS</a>]

00:41:01   Mozart go ahead go ahead man oh no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:04   just I just gonna say there's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2464">TS</a>]

00:41:05   thing about daring fireball is it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2465">TS</a>]

00:41:07   distinct that you can one if you type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2467">TS</a>]

00:41:11   these if you type in URL and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2471">TS</a>]

00:41:13   thing is that no one actually types you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:14   know us us nerds do but the best or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2474">TS</a>]

00:41:16   people don't even you know type URLs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2476">TS</a>]

00:41:19   like the google has the whole you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:22   uh like a huge number back in the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:25   like they they could track how popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2485">TS</a>]

00:41:27   Facebook was because my people you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:28   typing Facebook into Google to go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2488">TS</a>]

00:41:30   Facebook know what's more people doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2490">TS</a>]

00:41:33   really rusher but that's great about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:34   during fireball even if you do your L or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2494">TS</a>]

00:41:36   you do a Google search whatever it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:37   going to its memorable and it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2497">TS</a>]

00:41:39   come up right away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:40   wasn't there a thing where oh off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2500">TS</a>]

00:41:43   top of my head I'm not remembering it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2503">TS</a>]

00:41:45   right but there was a thing where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2505">TS</a>]

00:41:46   number one result for facebook login was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:48   no longer the facebook login page and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2508">TS</a>]

00:41:51   the poor bugger who had it was just some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2511">TS</a>]

00:41:54   guy site or something and they the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2514">TS</a>]

00:41:56   was just inundated with thousands of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2516">TS</a>]

00:41:58   people saying how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2518">TS</a>]

00:42:00   what have you done to Facebook this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2520">TS</a>]

00:42:01   doesn't look like Facebook do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2521">TS</a>]

00:42:03   remember that I I don't but that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2523">TS</a>]

00:42:06   be brutal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:06   right it's pretty because that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:08   people get to the facebook login sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2528">TS</a>]

00:42:10   they go to Google and then type facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2530">TS</a>]

00:42:12   login hit return I'll expect expect to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:15   be taken there funny stuff that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2535">TS</a>]

00:42:20   my son gets around the internet he just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2540">TS</a>]

00:42:21   type stuff into Google yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:24   that's pretty normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2544">TS</a>]

00:42:26   baby that's pretty normal behavior I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:27   mean if people you know to the extent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:30   people are still using the Internet I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:32   mean it's uh it it really shows the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2552">TS</a>]

00:42:36   extent to which Google is the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:39   linchpin for the Internet I mean yes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:41   can type your Elle's go to places but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:43   the reality is in the way that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2563">TS</a>]

00:42:45   actually experience online is is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:48   rule it's not just about like typing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2568">TS</a>]

00:42:49   Facebook into Google search page but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:52   there's just so much stuff there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2572">TS</a>]

00:42:54   there's so many things that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2574">TS</a>]

00:42:58   incomprehensible to to anyone even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:01   smartest person person on earth I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2581">TS</a>]

00:43:03   and Google what make schools so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2583">TS</a>]

00:43:05   brilliant is such a brilliant sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2585">TS</a>]

00:43:07   invention is that you know the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2587">TS</a>]

00:43:10   search engines the more stuff there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2590">TS</a>]

00:43:13   the more they bogged down because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2593">TS</a>]

00:43:14   were you know I mean the original Yahoo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:16   was literally a directory I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:17   obviously the future search engines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:18   weren't you were much more sophisticated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2598">TS</a>]

00:43:20   but Google by sort of building on top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2600">TS</a>]

00:43:23   the link instead of building on top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:24   the pages themselves it well it turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2604">TS</a>]

00:43:27   out when you got more links Google got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2607">TS</a>]

00:43:29   smarter and understood it better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2609">TS</a>]

00:43:31   well when the web got larger everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:34   else got worse except for Google which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2614">TS</a>]

00:43:36   actually got even better and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2616">TS</a>]

00:43:38   that's you know that's sort of the core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2618">TS</a>]

00:43:40   piece of the company's dominance and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2620">TS</a>]

00:43:43   why they're the you know the winch pin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2623">TS</a>]

00:43:46   for for the entire Internet which brings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:50   us to Windows 10 s and the way that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:56   Windows 10s you can't change your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2636">TS</a>]

00:43:58   default search engine you get Bing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2638">TS</a>]

00:44:00   you like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2640">TS</a>]

00:44:01   yeah and I think that's I I believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2641">TS</a>]

00:44:03   they're giving away tennis to yes I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2643">TS</a>]

00:44:07   so that's that's at the primary way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2647">TS</a>]

00:44:09   they're going to I mean obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2649">TS</a>]

00:44:10   there's app sells as well but app cells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2650">TS</a>]

00:44:13   and and Bing searches and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2653">TS</a>]

00:44:16   that I think Bing is actually profitable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2656">TS</a>]

00:44:18   now or or very close to it it has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:21   for a little bit actually it should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:23   don't you think I mean it doesn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2663">TS</a>]

00:44:25   sense that they would keep they'd keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2665">TS</a>]

00:44:27   losing money on it because I mean now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2667">TS</a>]

00:44:28   I'm still you know how much could it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:30   cost other than labor you know yeah like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:33   yeah it's where those things where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2673">TS</a>]

00:44:36   it's not like a Winnie er sort of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2676">TS</a>]

00:44:39   where they make a little more money a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2679">TS</a>]

00:44:41   little more money and that now they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2681">TS</a>]

00:44:42   profitable they're going like it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2682">TS</a>]

00:44:43   you're either losing a lot or you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:45   making a good amount like once you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2685">TS</a>]

00:44:48   the sort of scale effects that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2688">TS</a>]

00:44:49   they're kicking in uh yeah it but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2689">TS</a>]

00:44:53   still it's not actually growing pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:54   decently I should I think five five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2694">TS</a>]

00:44:56   point three billion in revenue the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2696">TS</a>]

00:44:57   fiscal year I should try it again I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2697">TS</a>]

00:44:59   haven't tried Bing in a while I done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:02   different max are different devices at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2702">TS</a>]

00:45:04   any given time I sometimes switch to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2704">TS</a>]

00:45:06   DuckDuckGo which I admire is the plucky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2706">TS</a>]

00:45:09   little startup you know and their local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:12   to Philly to its which it gives me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2712">TS</a>]

00:45:14   little affection for them but I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:16   admit that there there's a lot of times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2716">TS</a>]

00:45:18   with DuckDuckGo where it's semi-free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2718">TS</a>]

00:45:22   yeah if you're going to do it you at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2722">TS</a>]

00:45:24   some point in a week you're going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2724">TS</a>]

00:45:26   typing to look there's a trick they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:27   you can even type like GE exclamation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2727">TS</a>]

00:45:29   mark and it redoes the same query but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2729">TS</a>]

00:45:31   redirects you to Google because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2731">TS</a>]

00:45:34   just sometimes it's you know it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2734">TS</a>]

00:45:36   not as good as Google search I mean they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2736">TS</a>]

00:45:37   do some really cool stuff and I like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2737">TS</a>]

00:45:39   privacy aspect of it but it sounds good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2739">TS</a>]

00:45:41   but the thing that surprises me is I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:43   thought Microsoft might catch up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2743">TS</a>]

00:45:45   Google search with Bing cuz it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2745">TS</a>]

00:45:47   like the sort of problem that Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2747">TS</a>]

00:45:50   would be able to solve like it never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:54   surprises me that Microsoft software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2754">TS</a>]

00:45:56   never has is nice of a UI as Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2756">TS</a>]

00:45:58   software because it's institutionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2758">TS</a>]

00:46:00   they're just they just don't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2760">TS</a>]

00:46:01   people who have the taste for that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:04   web search is really just you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2764">TS</a>]

00:46:07   to have taste for that you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2767">TS</a>]

00:46:09   it's a purely algorithmic challenge to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2769">TS</a>]

00:46:12   get that right well they're not quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:14   you need data I mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2774">TS</a>]

00:46:15   the thing with Google is it is a the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2775">TS</a>]

00:46:19   algorithm itself is far bit far beyond a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:23   any one person could you know it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2783">TS</a>]

00:46:26   designed by a person to start at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2786">TS</a>]

00:46:28   point it's so complex and have loaded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2788">TS</a>]

00:46:30   and a lot of it is is just constant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2790">TS</a>]

00:46:31   iterative feedback so when people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:33   doing searches it not in that I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2793">TS</a>]

00:46:35   about the individual I search is just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2795">TS</a>]

00:46:37   a whole like which results are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2797">TS</a>]

00:46:39   quick like Google wants the first the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:41   proper results we the first result so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:43   they are tracking which result you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2803">TS</a>]

00:46:45   actually click on where how far down you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2805">TS</a>]

00:46:46   go and and plus websites are optimizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2806">TS</a>]

00:46:50   cells for Google and they and so by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2810">TS</a>]

00:46:51   crafty has to you know would attach on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:54   to that but it's one of those situations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:55   where thanks to the feedback loop that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2815">TS</a>]

00:46:57   comes from having the most data and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2817">TS</a>]

00:47:00   most users and the most searches if two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2820">TS</a>]

00:47:03   identical search engines if one starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2823">TS</a>]

00:47:05   at fifty one percent market share and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2825">TS</a>]

00:47:07   one starts at forty nine percent market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:08   share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2828">TS</a>]

00:47:08   absent sort of any exterior force the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2828">TS</a>]

00:47:12   one with market share is going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:14   better over time relative to the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2834">TS</a>]

00:47:16   one it which means which and then when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:18   it gets better that lets it get more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2838">TS</a>]

00:47:20   users because it's a better search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:21   engine and then it gets even more data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2841">TS</a>]

00:47:24   relative to the competition so it even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:26   has a bigger advantage so the reality is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:28   is even Microsoft could have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:30   smartest sort of search folks in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2850">TS</a>]

00:47:31   world but because it's a problem that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:33   not just about algorithm design it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2853">TS</a>]

00:47:36   it's about the entire sort of system and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2856">TS</a>]

00:47:38   having it a feedback loop they will it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2858">TS</a>]

00:47:41   very difficult to to ever catch up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2861">TS</a>]

00:47:45   absent some sort of like incredible you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2865">TS</a>]

00:47:48   know breakthrough you can't buy your way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2868">TS</a>]

00:47:49   out and all there's no way to write that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2869">TS</a>]

00:47:52   it doesn't get you there that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:53   interesting I think your that to me has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2873">TS</a>]

00:47:55   to be the explanation because I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:57   don't think that I don't think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2877">TS</a>]

00:47:59   problem is that Microsoft doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:02   the intelligence in the engineering to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:04   do it I you know and they obviously will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:06   had no problem spending money on it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:09   know for years famously they were losing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2889">TS</a>]

00:48:10   billions on bing I think that's just it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2890">TS</a>]

00:48:14   though that Google so popular that it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2894">TS</a>]

00:48:16   you know that their popularity feeds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:19   upon their accuracy right if there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:21   seeds upon their popularity and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2901">TS</a>]

00:48:24   where Google is in some respects it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2904">TS</a>]

00:48:26   like a Facebook effect but it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:28   there there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2908">TS</a>]

00:48:29   sort of network effect but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2909">TS</a>]

00:48:30   necessary about people per se it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2910">TS</a>]

00:48:32   interaction between people and the sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2912">TS</a>]

00:48:34   of data they generate but you get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:36   same sort of idea where the larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2916">TS</a>]

00:48:38   service like because did I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:40   always write a lot of about user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2920">TS</a>]

00:48:42   experience and the point I always have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:45   to sometimes forget to make this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:46   when I forget to make this point I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2926">TS</a>]

00:48:48   regretted because I get a bunch people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2928">TS</a>]

00:48:49   ask me you know pointing asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:50   questions user experience does not mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2930">TS</a>]

00:48:52   user interface user interface is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2932">TS</a>]

00:48:54   important part of the user experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2934">TS</a>]

00:48:56   and is critical you know for something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2936">TS</a>]

00:48:58   like a phone for example that's in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2938">TS</a>]

00:49:00   hand you're interacting with and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2940">TS</a>]

00:49:02   actually you know we talked about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2942">TS</a>]

00:49:04   know we can stuff in Congress in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:05   little bit but the user experience is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2945">TS</a>]

00:49:08   the totality of the experience which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2948">TS</a>]

00:49:10   means you know having better search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2950">TS</a>]

00:49:12   results means it's a better experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2952">TS</a>]

00:49:14   having more friends on Facebook more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2954">TS</a>]

00:49:16   family on Facebook not having to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2956">TS</a>]

00:49:18   recruit people to get on there means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:21   it's a better it's a better experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2961">TS</a>]

00:49:22   that has nothing to do with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:23   interface per se and these aspects of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2963">TS</a>]

00:49:26   the experience are they build on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2966">TS</a>]

00:49:28   themselves and this is why you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2968">TS</a>]

00:49:29   these companies that are so dominant and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:31   what makes it so tricky and I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2971">TS</a>]

00:49:33   writing a lot about this you know over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2973">TS</a>]

00:49:35   the last years so these companies are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:37   powerful because of these sort of data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2977">TS</a>]

00:49:39   effects and these network effects and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2979">TS</a>]

00:49:41   they're powerful in a way that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2981">TS</a>]

00:49:42   actually better for the consumer like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2982">TS</a>]

00:49:44   google is popular because it's better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:47   which means it gets more users and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2987">TS</a>]

00:49:49   it gets more users it actually becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:51   even even better which means it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:53   so there is it's positive on the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:55   perspective and same a Facebook it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2995">TS</a>]

00:49:58   the most user so it more people join it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/2998">TS</a>]

00:50:00   because it's there and the more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3000">TS</a>]

00:50:02   join it now it has more users and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3002">TS</a>]

00:50:03   get the same sort of feedback loop where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3003">TS</a>]

00:50:06   people choose it because it's better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:08   that sort of makes from a anti-trust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3008">TS</a>]

00:50:11   perspective that makes sort of US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3011">TS</a>]

00:50:13   antitrust like fall completely apart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:15   because it's based on consumer benefit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3015">TS</a>]

00:50:18   and there's actually they're providing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3018">TS</a>]

00:50:19   ton of consumer benefit that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3019">TS</a>]

00:50:20   they're winning right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3020">TS</a>]

00:50:24   all right as a summary of like 15 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:26   scenarios I've been writing about did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3026">TS</a>]

00:50:30   you see the story that in the verge had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:33   it that the surface laptop now the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:36   like unique thing about these surface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:38   laptops that they announced is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3038">TS</a>]

00:50:39   other than the keyboard and a trackpad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3039">TS</a>]

00:50:41   that what you touch on the front face is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3041">TS</a>]

00:50:44   like a like a soft touch leather like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:48   fake leather type thing but it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3048">TS</a>]

00:50:50   it's called which looks awful to me but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:53   how Cantara [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:54   apparently a lot of carmakers use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3054">TS</a>]

00:50:57   high-end car makers well I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3057">TS</a>]

00:50:59   judge it on photos but from the photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:01   to me it looks terrible I would not want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:04   that I wouldn't if I had the choice when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:07   buying a laptop whether I just have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:09   bare aluminum surface or like no pun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3069">TS</a>]

00:51:13   intended surface or have it covered with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3073">TS</a>]

00:51:15   this stuff if without having seen it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:17   person I would zero hesitation I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:19   just say just give me the aluminum this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3079">TS</a>]

00:51:20   seems like a disaster yeah but I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3080">TS</a>]

00:51:24   people excoriating Microsoft for having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:27   said told the verge that you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3087">TS</a>]

00:51:32   treat it like a like a luxury purse or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:36   something like that or a luxury handbag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3096">TS</a>]

00:51:39   and I think people took that as meaning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3099">TS</a>]

00:51:43   that it's like dainty and that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3103">TS</a>]

00:51:46   you're like you have to treat it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3106">TS</a>]

00:51:47   preciously I think that's how people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3107">TS</a>]

00:51:50   reacted to this like the headline I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3110">TS</a>]

00:51:51   think Microsoft says the fabric on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:53   surface laptop should be cared for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:55   a luxury handbag and I think the verge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3115">TS</a>]

00:51:59   did a disservice with that headline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:01   because it's not really that's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:03   that's not a quote the only quote in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3123">TS</a>]

00:52:05   that headline is the word luxury here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3125">TS</a>]

00:52:09   the actual statement from Microsoft I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:11   hate this use of the word luxury just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3131">TS</a>]

00:52:14   like anything luxury that you buy like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3134">TS</a>]

00:52:16   that it should be luxurious or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3136">TS</a>]

00:52:19   or any luxury product that you buy but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3139">TS</a>]

00:52:21   it still it seems self-serving for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3141">TS</a>]

00:52:23   to describe it as luxury but anyway just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:25   like anything luxury that you buy like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:28   great handbags or a pair of shoes or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:30   even expensive cars there is a care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3150">TS</a>]

00:52:32   that's needed for the device the so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3152">TS</a>]

00:52:37   you know I think Note has to be some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3157">TS</a>]

00:52:39   care for but I think the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3159">TS</a>]

00:52:41   people aren't maybe maybe now you and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3161">TS</a>]

00:52:43   understand it with with our spouses but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:47   you can get like there are handbags that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:51   that are might be you know from a luxury [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3171">TS</a>]

00:52:53   brand and they're not really dainty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3173">TS</a>]

00:52:55   they're actually the opposite they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:57   actually very they're they're built to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3177">TS</a>]

00:53:00   last for decades you know and yep and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3180">TS</a>]

00:53:03   you know you do have to treat leather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:04   and if you get it wet you have to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3184">TS</a>]

00:53:05   care of it right away and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3185">TS</a>]

00:53:06   that but they actually hold up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:09   surprisingly well they're not dainty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:11   little Faberge eggs that are actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3191">TS</a>]

00:53:13   much more rugged in some ways than than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3193">TS</a>]

00:53:16   typical lower-cost bags so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:20   sometimes you like as long as you buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3200">TS</a>]

00:53:22   nice bag or some nice pair of shoes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:25   are luxury but you buy them because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:28   last way longer and hold up much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3208">TS</a>]

00:53:31   and age much more attractively than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3211">TS</a>]

00:53:33   something that's that's lower costs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3213">TS</a>]

00:53:35   right a difference it was a weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:39   Twitter account I was into for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3219">TS</a>]

00:53:40   was it was one of those ones that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:42   interesting only when it was anonymous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3222">TS</a>]

00:53:43   and then when somebody figured out who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:45   the guy was there's no fun anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:47   GS elevator remember that it was oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3227">TS</a>]

00:53:50   yeah it was so so put it was written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3230">TS</a>]

00:53:52   from the perspective of stuff overheard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:54   in the elevators at Goldman Sachs and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3234">TS</a>]

00:53:58   was often hilarious often very very rude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3238">TS</a>]

00:54:00   sort of from the that very lewd that bro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3240">TS</a>]

00:54:04   a alpha male banker mentality um but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:10   remember the guy who wrote it had liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:12   it was like a he also had like articles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:15   I was just like alright so you got a job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3255">TS</a>]

00:54:16   and an investment bank here's what did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:18   you know your kid out of college here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:20   what here's the clothes that you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3260">TS</a>]

00:54:22   buy and one of his things was that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3262">TS</a>]

00:54:24   should get like I forget I forget if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:28   recommended Gucci or what but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:29   something like get like a nice pair of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:30   Gucci shoes yes there's $800 or $700 but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:34   they will last you way longer than 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3274">TS</a>]

00:54:38   pairs of $200 shoes if you take care of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3278">TS</a>]

00:54:41   right yep you know there's obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3281">TS</a>]

00:54:44   some things that are luxury priced that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3284">TS</a>]

00:54:45   are not you know that you're just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3285">TS</a>]

00:54:48   know like a sports car like if you buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:49   Lamborghini you're just pissing money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:51   it's not really it you're not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3291">TS</a>]

00:54:54   buying it for the value of I mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3294">TS</a>]

00:54:58   car is valuable but it's not like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3298">TS</a>]

00:55:00   not going to sink tens of thousands of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3300">TS</a>]

00:55:01   dollars in it maintenance as you go like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:03   nobody buys a Lamborghini because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3303">TS</a>]

00:55:05   worth it's a good investment reliability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:08   wise compared to a Honda right yep we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3308">TS</a>]

00:55:12   but there are some things like a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3312">TS</a>]

00:55:14   shoe or a nice belt or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3314">TS</a>]

00:55:15   that where you actually yes you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3315">TS</a>]

00:55:17   paying a lot of money but it's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3317">TS</a>]

00:55:19   might be you might be paying five times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3319">TS</a>]

00:55:20   more than what you're used to but you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3320">TS</a>]

00:55:22   actually getting like ten times better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:23   product I don't think that the surface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3323">TS</a>]

00:55:26   laptop is like that though I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3326">TS</a>]

00:55:28   yeah yeah I went to that's not I went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3328">TS</a>]

00:55:31   use that word choice and yeah that now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:33   that I'm looking at that just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:35   anything luxury that's driving me up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3335">TS</a>]

00:55:37   wall that's that's terrible they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3337">TS</a>]

00:55:39   they have to have tested this I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:41   it's like last week on the showed Renee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3341">TS</a>]

00:55:44   and I were joking about that the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3344">TS</a>]

00:55:45   our iPod that Kate I think was like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:48   iPod Nano that was super easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:51   scratched do you remember that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3351">TS</a>]

00:55:53   original the original nano yeah it was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3353">TS</a>]

00:55:56   almost in a you know I would love is one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3356">TS</a>]

00:55:58   of those like behind the scenes things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3358">TS</a>]

00:56:00   would love to someday get that story out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:02   of Apple as to how in the hell did they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3362">TS</a>]

00:56:05   make tens of thousands of these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3365">TS</a>]

00:56:08   or a half a million of these things out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3368">TS</a>]

00:56:09   of a plastic that you scratch with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3369">TS</a>]

00:56:11   fingernail like what the hell are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3371">TS</a>]

00:56:14   thinking how did that not get caught in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3374">TS</a>]

00:56:15   testing I don't mean if you saw one like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3375">TS</a>]

00:56:19   they and with in not long I mean they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:22   would be just completely destroyed like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3382">TS</a>]

00:56:23   to the point where you could barely even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:25   read the screen we in the whole it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3385">TS</a>]

00:56:27   the whole front not just the screen like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:28   the entire surface would be right would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3388">TS</a>]

00:56:30   be just completely yeah all shredded up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:33   yeah it's hard to remember compared to I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3393">TS</a>]

00:56:35   phones where everything is so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:37   closer to the surface now but with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3397">TS</a>]

00:56:40   iPods even with the Nano there was sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:42   of a thick layer of screen or not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3402">TS</a>]

00:56:45   screen but just plastic on the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3405">TS</a>]

00:56:47   front of all these models or a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3407">TS</a>]

00:56:50   them I remember we got demand when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3410">TS</a>]

00:56:53   working at Giant I forget we hit some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3413">TS</a>]

00:56:56   kind of milestone or something and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3416">TS</a>]

00:56:57   everybody in the company got one as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3417">TS</a>]

00:56:59   gift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:01   and in our company like Chad I forget we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3421">TS</a>]

00:57:06   even used for chat it wasn't slack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3426">TS</a>]

00:57:08   obviously wasn't around but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:09   equivalent of slacks IRC I wasn't IRC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3429">TS</a>]

00:57:12   that I forget what we were using but uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3432">TS</a>]

00:57:13   hip hip hip tin and that was a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3433">TS</a>]

00:57:16   title - yeah I don't remember uh I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:19   know why I'm trying to bank on it but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3439">TS</a>]

00:57:20   had like a company-wide chat who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3440">TS</a>]

00:57:21   everybody got these in we're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:22   everybody was you know having fun with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3442">TS</a>]

00:57:24   their new iPod in and it took like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3444">TS</a>]

00:57:26   hour for people to be like holy shit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3446">TS</a>]

00:57:28   it's mines all scratched up yep anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3448">TS</a>]

00:57:32   it doesn't five man has already been 12 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3452">TS</a>]

00:57:35   years I can't help but think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3455">TS</a>]

00:57:36   Microsoft had to have like stress tested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3456">TS</a>]

00:57:39   these things with actual sweaty palms in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:42   you know warm you know use it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3462">TS</a>]

00:57:45   use this for a while with you know maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3465">TS</a>]

00:57:47   have us in a warm room with somebody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3467">TS</a>]

00:57:50   sweats through their palms or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3470">TS</a>]

00:57:51   right these things can't just pick up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:53   ugly palm sweat stains yeah I mean I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3473">TS</a>]

00:57:57   not that's right I want to admit to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3477">TS</a>]

00:57:59   but my even my MacBook is always the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3479">TS</a>]

00:58:03   keyboard and that all ends up just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3483">TS</a>]

00:58:05   totally filthy it's pretty disgusting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3485">TS</a>]

00:58:06   actually I should probably clean it yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3486">TS</a>]

00:58:09   you probably should that's Crispin I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3489">TS</a>]

00:58:11   don't know I I just doesn't see my the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3491">TS</a>]

00:58:14   more I think about it this just doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3494">TS</a>]

00:58:15   seem like a good idea I don't know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3495">TS</a>]

00:58:17   just seems it too many laptops get too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3497">TS</a>]

00:58:20   grungy as is as as as easy to clean a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3500">TS</a>]

00:58:23   surface as aluminum is I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:26   pretty hard to think of something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3506">TS</a>]

00:58:27   easier to clean than that it everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3507">TS</a>]

00:58:29   just wants everyone just wants them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3509">TS</a>]

00:58:30   make a nice laptop that's all they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:32   just a regular they like but so they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3512">TS</a>]

00:58:34   the surface book thing over they did the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3514">TS</a>]

00:58:36   surface and the surface book thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3516">TS</a>]

00:58:37   now there's a laptop but yeah it has it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3517">TS</a>]

00:58:39   has did but I mean there's I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:42   there's lots of politics and competing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3522">TS</a>]

00:58:43   with the OEMs all sort of stuff but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3523">TS</a>]

00:58:47   yeah I'd rather get it I'd rather get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3527">TS</a>]

00:58:50   think pad with the nub anyway I know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3530">TS</a>]

00:58:55   know I mean I think it's it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3535">TS</a>]

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01:03:26   they call them echo products they both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3806">TS</a>]

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01:03:30   just a camera and then there's the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:32   bill met they're pitching it for putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3812">TS</a>]

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01:03:41   one they made a bigger splash about was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3821">TS</a>]

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01:04:13   the bigger announcement is that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3853">TS</a>]

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01:06:33   affinity because the goal is when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3993">TS</a>]

01:06:35   someone's in a store and they're faced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3995">TS</a>]

01:06:37   with like 15 options for crackers that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3997">TS</a>]

01:06:39   they choose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/3999">TS</a>]

01:06:41   one or they or Joe or might be they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4001">TS</a>]

01:06:43   choose one and they don't really know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4003">TS</a>]

01:06:45   why they chose it they just they just do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4005">TS</a>]

01:06:47   and that's the payoff of all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4007">TS</a>]

01:06:49   advertising and branding and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4009">TS</a>]

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01:06:54   deliberate choice so to use sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4014">TS</a>]

01:06:57   brand type marketing I think is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4017">TS</a>]

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01:07:08   were the original iPhone ads not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4028">TS</a>]

01:07:11   first one like the holo hello at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4031">TS</a>]

01:07:12   Academy Awards but now all the ads after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4032">TS</a>]

01:07:14   that for the first year they were just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4034">TS</a>]

01:07:16   showing people using the phone the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4036">TS</a>]

01:07:18   were they know that Bob Bircher I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4038">TS</a>]

01:07:20   is nameless right yeah at the very end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4040">TS</a>]

01:07:22   the phone with the phone and ring so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4042">TS</a>]

01:07:24   they show them reading their times they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4044">TS</a>]

01:07:26   show them uh you know scrolling playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4046">TS</a>]

01:07:28   a game or not playing a game but doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4048">TS</a>]

01:07:30   stuff on the phone that you could do on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4050">TS</a>]

01:07:31   the phone and then active at the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4051">TS</a>]

01:07:33   under commercial and it's the same one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4053">TS</a>]

01:07:34   every time the phone would ring say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4054">TS</a>]

01:07:36   and it's a phone and it was so effective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4056">TS</a>]

01:07:38   both in explaining what the iPhone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4058">TS</a>]

01:07:41   they're also teaching people how to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4061">TS</a>]

01:07:42   it it was some of my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4062">TS</a>]

01:07:45   commercials just because I think the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4065">TS</a>]

01:07:47   they really it was a new way of doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4067">TS</a>]

01:07:51   commercials I think it was much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4071">TS</a>]

01:07:53   for a tech product and uh something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4073">TS</a>]

01:07:56   was always very frustrated by when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4076">TS</a>]

01:07:58   at Microsoft because I thought they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4078">TS</a>]

01:08:00   so so many the commercials were in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4080">TS</a>]

01:08:03   CPG branding mindset when you're selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4083">TS</a>]

01:08:06   a very different kind of product yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4086">TS</a>]

01:08:08   yeah those I phone commercials were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4088">TS</a>]

01:08:10   brilliant because they were fast they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4090">TS</a>]

01:08:12   when they were 30-second spots but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4092">TS</a>]

01:08:13   they showed things and they I you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4093">TS</a>]

01:08:17   they showed it they showed the product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4097">TS</a>]

01:08:18   but David was like real things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4098">TS</a>]

01:08:20   they're like look you maybe you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4100">TS</a>]

01:08:21   believe it maybe you hear somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4101">TS</a>]

01:08:22   saying you know you can get Maps on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4102">TS</a>]

01:08:24   phone now and on these iPhones you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4104">TS</a>]

01:08:26   get a usable map but they'd show it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4106">TS</a>]

01:08:29   say here look type Starbucks and hit up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4109">TS</a>]

01:08:32   one button very easy just says you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4112">TS</a>]

01:08:35   like search or whatever and then a map [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4115">TS</a>]

01:08:37   shows up showing how far you are from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4117">TS</a>]

01:08:38   Starbucks or whatever the example wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4118">TS</a>]

01:08:40   a commercial yep yep exactly yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4120">TS</a>]

01:08:42   map one was it was it was it was a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4122">TS</a>]

01:08:43   one and that was any it was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4123">TS</a>]

01:08:45   immediately became apparent what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4125">TS</a>]

01:08:47   value was to people right right yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4127">TS</a>]

01:08:50   yet this is something you can it's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4130">TS</a>]

01:08:52   is something you can understand like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4132">TS</a>]

01:08:54   Apple on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4134">TS</a>]

01:08:55   stood that did it sounds funny but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4135">TS</a>]

01:08:58   the thing that I think a lot of tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4138">TS</a>]

01:09:00   people even tech marketers overlook is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4140">TS</a>]

01:09:02   that you tell a lot of people okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4142">TS</a>]

01:09:04   you've got a cell phone we know that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4144">TS</a>]

01:09:08   know you're frustrated by it we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4148">TS</a>]

01:09:09   that you probably can't figure out how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4149">TS</a>]

01:09:11   to do anything on it other than make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4151">TS</a>]

01:09:13   phone calls we're trying to sell you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4153">TS</a>]

01:09:15   phone that does browses the web gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4155">TS</a>]

01:09:19   your email has maps let you watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4159">TS</a>]

01:09:23   youtube videos but trust us none of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4163">TS</a>]

01:09:26   is more complicated and making phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4166">TS</a>]

01:09:27   calls is even easier than it was on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4167">TS</a>]

01:09:29   old phone yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4169">TS</a>]

01:09:31   yeah is that it's exactly right so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4171">TS</a>]

01:09:33   mean these these at these Amazon echo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4173">TS</a>]

01:09:35   spots are not like that there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4175">TS</a>]

01:09:38   they're not nearly as you know high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4178">TS</a>]

01:09:40   producing they're still pretty corny but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4180">TS</a>]

01:09:42   if you're showing a product a two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4182">TS</a>]

01:09:45   hundred dollar product and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4185">TS</a>]

01:09:47   original echo I think was the same it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4187">TS</a>]

01:09:48   was $99 for Prime members but people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4188">TS</a>]

01:09:50   on your you're on the web you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4190">TS</a>]

01:09:52   infinite space you can show as short or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4192">TS</a>]

01:09:54   long a video as you want you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4194">TS</a>]

01:09:56   limited to 30 seconds and people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4196">TS</a>]

01:09:58   being deliberate about their choice why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4198">TS</a>]

01:10:01   not take advantage of that and actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4201">TS</a>]

01:10:02   show how this product might be useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4202">TS</a>]

01:10:05   and and I think that's something they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4205">TS</a>]

01:10:07   done pretty consistently with these and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4207">TS</a>]

01:10:08   and I think I think it's smart I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4208">TS</a>]

01:10:11   it's a much better way to think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4211">TS</a>]

01:10:12   you know marketing your product because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4212">TS</a>]

01:10:16   you're marketing a different kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4216">TS</a>]

01:10:17   product in a different context [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4217">TS</a>]

01:10:18   particular for Amazon because it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4218">TS</a>]

01:10:20   know it's it's on there they have a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4220">TS</a>]

01:10:22   website that they can use yeah I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4222">TS</a>]

01:10:24   that the I'm going to get the name wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4224">TS</a>]

01:10:27   I can't remember these right because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4227">TS</a>]

01:10:28   there's weird like the echo show and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4228">TS</a>]

01:10:30   could look but it's like to me adopt is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4230">TS</a>]

01:10:32   the little one well echo show is is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4232">TS</a>]

01:10:36   one with the TV set and right go look is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4236">TS</a>]

01:10:39   the one that's like for your dressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4239">TS</a>]

01:10:41   room right but you could call it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4241">TS</a>]

01:10:46   it's one of those things where all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4246">TS</a>]

01:10:49   echo look is the one that is a camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4249">TS</a>]

01:10:51   and you show it you get dressed and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4251">TS</a>]

01:10:53   get like a selfie and you can get like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4253">TS</a>]

01:10:56   some kind of analysis as to whether your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4256">TS</a>]

01:10:58   shoes match your belt or whatever but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4258">TS</a>]

01:11:01   just the name echo look it could also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4261">TS</a>]

01:11:04   mean the thing that you look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4264">TS</a>]

01:11:05   thing with your screen right and echo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4265">TS</a>]

01:11:08   show which is the one with the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4268">TS</a>]

01:11:09   that could be the name of the one that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4269">TS</a>]

01:11:11   the camera like here echo let me show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4271">TS</a>]

01:11:13   you what I'm wearing right yeah I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4273">TS</a>]

01:11:16   call the other one like just this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4276">TS</a>]

01:11:17   called echo camera laughing so too good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4277">TS</a>]

01:11:19   is it clear that's what it is right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4279">TS</a>]

01:11:21   I think the the whole like gives you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4281">TS</a>]

01:11:23   tips on what you wear I I always feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4283">TS</a>]

01:11:27   like they put that in for the tech geeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4287">TS</a>]

01:11:28   like I mean the reality is like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4288">TS</a>]

01:11:30   whole like taking pictures of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4290">TS</a>]

01:11:33   outfit is a huge thing like a massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4293">TS</a>]

01:11:35   thing and people do do it every day they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4295">TS</a>]

01:11:37   mostly do it by holding up their arm and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4297">TS</a>]

01:11:38   taking a selfie or staying in front of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4298">TS</a>]

01:11:40   mirror and snapping a picture like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4300">TS</a>]

01:11:41   like it's a is it like it's a massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4301">TS</a>]

01:11:45   massive massive thing so I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4305">TS</a>]

01:11:46   clearly what this product is focused on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4306">TS</a>]

01:11:49   that's the point of it and every maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4309">TS</a>]

01:11:52   in the long run it will be useful to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4312">TS</a>]

01:11:54   like do the sort of AI stuff but I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4314">TS</a>]

01:11:58   like that was like throwing a bone to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4318">TS</a>]

01:12:00   all the techies saying like oh and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4320">TS</a>]

01:12:02   there's this thing - it's a selfie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4322">TS</a>]

01:12:03   camera like that what it is and it's and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4323">TS</a>]

01:12:06   that's not to belittle it because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4326">TS</a>]

01:12:08   is a massive market and and it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4328">TS</a>]

01:12:11   massive market that's really interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4331">TS</a>]

01:12:12   there's lots of stuff about like retail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4332">TS</a>]

01:12:13   and retail changing and one of the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4333">TS</a>]

01:12:15   drivers of this is social media and on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4335">TS</a>]

01:12:17   social media it used to be back in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4337">TS</a>]

01:12:20   day like what drove fashion was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4340">TS</a>]

01:12:22   all status thing right you want to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4342">TS</a>]

01:12:23   and you're them all you buy the high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4343">TS</a>]

01:12:25   status items and then you would wear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4345">TS</a>]

01:12:26   them to school or whatever now it's much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4346">TS</a>]

01:12:30   more about standing out poppin on social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4350">TS</a>]

01:12:32   media and variety and having something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4352">TS</a>]

01:12:34   interesting and different is much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4354">TS</a>]

01:12:35   important and I think playing into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4355">TS</a>]

01:12:40   I love because you said we wear it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4360">TS</a>]

01:12:42   school or whatever and you're I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4362">TS</a>]

01:12:44   exactly why you said that and I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4364">TS</a>]

01:12:45   even know why you hesitated after saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4365">TS</a>]

01:12:47   is I think you had the same thought that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4367">TS</a>]

01:12:49   I had did as you said it is you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4369">TS</a>]

01:12:51   talking from the perspective of me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4371">TS</a>]

01:12:53   you two guys in our Latino because when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4373">TS</a>]

01:12:57   when retail was the only way to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4377">TS</a>]

01:12:59   clothes that's when you and I were in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4379">TS</a>]

01:13:01   cyka school idol and and by the time we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4381">TS</a>]

01:13:05   got out of school that was when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4385">TS</a>]

01:13:06   internet was a thing and I had the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4386">TS</a>]

01:13:08   thought it's like well yeah back in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4388">TS</a>]

01:13:10   days back in the days when you used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4390">TS</a>]

01:13:12   have to buy all your clothes at the mall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4392">TS</a>]

01:13:13   you'd wear them school everybody worn to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4393">TS</a>]

01:13:16   school but of course there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4396">TS</a>]

01:13:18   generations of adults ahead of us who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4398">TS</a>]

01:13:20   wore than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4400">TS</a>]

01:13:20   to other places yeah Venera it's it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4400">TS</a>]

01:13:25   funny like it's always hard to uh or it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4405">TS</a>]

01:13:28   you have to be like super you're right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4408">TS</a>]

01:13:30   because the hesitation was the snap of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4410">TS</a>]

01:13:31   self-awareness like I'm probably over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4411">TS</a>]

01:13:33   personalizing this experience but but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4413">TS</a>]

01:13:35   you do see this you know this sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4415">TS</a>]

01:13:38   like traditional brands that dominated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4418">TS</a>]

01:13:41   sort of malls and you know they're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4421">TS</a>]

01:13:43   struggling you know mightily and you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4423">TS</a>]

01:13:48   you see other things like there's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4428">TS</a>]

01:13:49   uh other websites and services that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4429">TS</a>]

01:13:52   much more inexpensive and it's much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4432">TS</a>]

01:13:55   about having something unique and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4435">TS</a>]

01:13:57   indifferent uh as opposed to having the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4437">TS</a>]

01:14:00   same branded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4440">TS</a>]

01:14:02   you know teacher is everybody saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4442">TS</a>]

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01:14:05   a story that the j-cruise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4445">TS</a>]

01:14:07   and financial distress the gap is too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4447">TS</a>]

01:14:11   there's a company know companies that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4451">TS</a>]

01:14:13   ankle and grumpy and Fitch like all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4453">TS</a>]

01:14:15   them all of them are struggling right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4455">TS</a>]

01:14:17   and he would thought well Abercrombie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4457">TS</a>]

01:14:19   and Fitch was always a little bit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4459">TS</a>]

01:14:23   niche you know because they had the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4463">TS</a>]

01:14:26   know it smells weird and it purposefully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4466">TS</a>]

01:14:28   made an unwelcoming front it's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4468">TS</a>]

01:14:31   kind of an interesting retail strategy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4471">TS</a>]

01:14:32   where they they kind of made the front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4472">TS</a>]

01:14:34   of their stores sort of hard to get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4474">TS</a>]

01:14:36   like I said I'm a big wide opening they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4476">TS</a>]

01:14:39   would just have a door and it was sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4479">TS</a>]

01:14:41   of you know like they wanted you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4481">TS</a>]

01:14:45   it's totally contrary to most retailers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4485">TS</a>]

01:14:49   but it was sort of like they only wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4489">TS</a>]

01:14:50   the right people to come in you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4490">TS</a>]

01:14:52   young people who were shopping for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4492">TS</a>]

01:14:54   Abercrombie Coll clothes but anyway the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4494">TS</a>]

01:14:57   gap to me is more of the universal my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4497">TS</a>]

01:14:59   god everybody can go in the gap and find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4499">TS</a>]

01:15:00   something that they would consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4500">TS</a>]

01:15:02   wearing too weird that they're having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4502">TS</a>]

01:15:05   fun and I'm not weird but it's just it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4505">TS</a>]

01:15:07   it's obviously like a foundation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4507">TS</a>]

01:15:10   American retail is crumbling if stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4510">TS</a>]

01:15:13   like that aren't doing well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4513">TS</a>]

01:15:15   here's a question for you do you still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4515">TS</a>]

01:15:16   do you do you ever like when you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4516">TS</a>]

01:15:19   like you feel like you need like some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4519">TS</a>]

01:15:21   new shirts do you go out and buy shirts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4521">TS</a>]

01:15:22   in a retail store and you buy everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4522">TS</a>]

01:15:24   online I I look I usually every summer I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4524">TS</a>]

01:15:30   go and just buy a ton of stuff actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4530">TS</a>]

01:15:34   we always it's a thing because my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4534">TS</a>]

01:15:36   brother lives in Minneapolis and so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4536">TS</a>]

01:15:38   always go there and see my brother and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4538">TS</a>]

01:15:39   then one day we go to the Mall of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4539">TS</a>]

01:15:41   America and there's no sales tax on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4541">TS</a>]

01:15:43   clothing there and everything's there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4543">TS</a>]

01:15:45   and we just like spend one day buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4545">TS</a>]

01:15:47   Early's I do try to buy all the clothes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4547">TS</a>]

01:15:49   I need for the entire year is what I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4549">TS</a>]

01:15:52   need things otherwise yeah I go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4552">TS</a>]

01:15:54   department stores here I don't I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4554">TS</a>]

01:15:56   buy I don't buy online but I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4556">TS</a>]

01:15:58   everything online here is mostly in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4558">TS</a>]

01:16:00   Chinese and whatnot and obviously a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4560">TS</a>]

01:16:02   little more difficult but my wife buys a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4562">TS</a>]

01:16:03   ton of stuff online she buys stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4563">TS</a>]

01:16:04   online all the time my wife finds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4564">TS</a>]

01:16:06   everything online every almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4566">TS</a>]

01:16:07   everything I don't I can't recall the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4567">TS</a>]

01:16:10   last time she went out shopping for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4570">TS</a>]

01:16:12   clothes she just buys everything online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4572">TS</a>]

01:16:13   and unlike me she's not afraid to send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4573">TS</a>]

01:16:15   stuff back like that's my problem I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4575">TS</a>]

01:16:18   don't I hate I just don't like packing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4578">TS</a>]

01:16:20   stuff up stand back it's irrational it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4580">TS</a>]

01:16:24   completely irrational and it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4584">TS</a>]

01:16:26   I've amassed all these like a big pile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4586">TS</a>]

01:16:30   of clothes that I don't like or that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4590">TS</a>]

01:16:31   don't fit that I just suck the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4591">TS</a>]

01:16:35   just eat the cost of it because I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4595">TS</a>]

01:16:37   send but it's why I don't buy stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4597">TS</a>]

01:16:39   shirts like if I was going to buy like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4599">TS</a>]

01:16:41   dress shirt I don't buy it online in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4601">TS</a>]

01:16:43   your last night I know I'm the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4603">TS</a>]

01:16:45   if I know that there's like a shirt from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4605">TS</a>]

01:16:49   Banana Republic that I already have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4609">TS</a>]

01:16:51   and I know the exact size and I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4611">TS</a>]

01:16:53   judge from the picture exactly what this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4613">TS</a>]

01:16:55   one looks like I would buy that online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4615">TS</a>]

01:16:56   but that's because I've actually tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4616">TS</a>]

01:16:58   it on yeah I'm the same way I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4618">TS</a>]

01:17:02   that's sort of like yes it's a hassle to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4622">TS</a>]

01:17:05   get in the car like go to the store or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4625">TS</a>]

01:17:07   however you get you to the store but for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4627">TS</a>]

01:17:10   me that that sort of hassle doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4630">TS</a>]

01:17:12   register whereas having a bunch of boxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4632">TS</a>]

01:17:14   and having to pack stuff up and put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4634">TS</a>]

01:17:17   out and oh that's just like sounds like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4637">TS</a>]

01:17:19   absolute torture to me even if you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4639">TS</a>]

01:17:21   even if you were to actually go through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4641">TS</a>]

01:17:22   and add up the number of minutes that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4642">TS</a>]

01:17:23   takes it's less the the feeling of it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4643">TS</a>]

01:17:26   is much worse so I'm now completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4646">TS</a>]

01:17:28   view but for stuff like like underwear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4648">TS</a>]

01:17:31   and socks and stuff like that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4651">TS</a>]

01:17:33   think I've bought anything like that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4653">TS</a>]

01:17:34   a retail store in ten years I mean why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4654">TS</a>]

01:17:36   would you you know it's crazy I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4656">TS</a>]

01:17:39   like you feel like you need some new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4659">TS</a>]

01:17:40   underwear boom just like a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4660">TS</a>]

01:17:43   items and it's at your house the Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4663">TS</a>]

01:17:45   Apparel thing all is very interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4665">TS</a>]

01:17:47   because they're they've not announced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4667">TS</a>]

01:17:49   any numbers about it but there's sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4669">TS</a>]

01:17:51   hints that that it's actually doing much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4671">TS</a>]

01:17:53   better than you think and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4673">TS</a>]

01:17:54   growing really rapidly I suspect a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4674">TS</a>]

01:17:57   of it you know is probably things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4677">TS</a>]

01:17:58   you just said you know basics and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4678">TS</a>]

01:18:01   whatnot but they're making for at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4681">TS</a>]

01:18:04   minimum there for sure making massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4684">TS</a>]

01:18:05   investments in it like just huge not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4685">TS</a>]

01:18:09   just the Amazon book although I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4689">TS</a>]

01:18:10   that is interesting in that regard but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4690">TS</a>]

01:18:13   they have all kinds of interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4693">TS</a>]

01:18:14   projects going on they've watched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4694">TS</a>]

01:18:15   multiple brands uh you know that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4695">TS</a>]

01:18:19   know that because they're brands for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4699">TS</a>]

01:18:22   they sort of categories own they own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4702">TS</a>]

01:18:24   Zappos yeah but this is this is all in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4704">TS</a>]

01:18:28   Amazon itself like I think it's not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4708">TS</a>]

01:18:30   not the Zappos thing was I think at they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4710">TS</a>]

01:18:34   bought them because they were doing well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4714">TS</a>]

01:18:36   in their own e-commerce sites and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4716">TS</a>]

01:18:38   they want to bet they wanted to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4718">TS</a>]

01:18:40   them out I mean they just closed down or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4720">TS</a>]

01:18:42   they're on the verge of closing down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4722">TS</a>]

01:18:43   what's the other when they bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4723">TS</a>]

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01:18:47   they you know I think in the long run I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4727">TS</a>]

01:18:50   would I'd be surprised if Zappos remains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4730">TS</a>]

01:18:52   ongoing concern but I mean people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4732">TS</a>]

01:18:54   it people go there so maybe they'll keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4734">TS</a>]

01:18:55   those they'll keep it around but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4735">TS</a>]

01:18:57   long run for sure is is all Amazon maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4737">TS</a>]

01:18:59   they want because in this is the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4739">TS</a>]

01:19:01   thing oh this is the top of which talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4741">TS</a>]

01:19:02   about I'm writable this yet but um the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4742">TS</a>]

01:19:04   Amazon Prime video be on Apple TV oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4744">TS</a>]

01:19:08   yeah well that's here I'm making a note [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4748">TS</a>]

01:19:10   we'll talk about that a minute yeah well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4750">TS</a>]

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01:19:14   to own every aspect of your they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4754">TS</a>]

01:19:17   want to be the facilitator of basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4757">TS</a>]

01:19:19   everything in your life particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4759">TS</a>]

01:19:21   everything in the home and this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4761">TS</a>]

01:19:22   makes the whole echo line so brilliant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4762">TS</a>]

01:19:25   for Amazon it's I mean the opportunity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4765">TS</a>]

01:19:27   the reason the opportunity is there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4767">TS</a>]

01:19:29   because the home is the one place you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4769">TS</a>]

01:19:31   don't necessarily have your phone with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4771">TS</a>]

01:19:32   you right if you're out and about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4772">TS</a>]

01:19:33   always have your phone with you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4773">TS</a>]

01:19:35   you're at phone if you're at home it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4775">TS</a>]

01:19:36   plugged in and charging and whereas and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4776">TS</a>]

01:19:40   the other thing is if you aren't about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4780">TS</a>]

01:19:41   to just suddenly talk a Tran [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4781">TS</a>]

01:19:43   it's getting perhaps more and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4783">TS</a>]

01:19:45   socially acceptable but still a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4785">TS</a>]

01:19:46   weird where it's at home to kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4786">TS</a>]

01:19:47   shout at Chartres and echo is is totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4787">TS</a>]

01:19:50   fine but there's nothing like it's your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4790">TS</a>]

01:19:52   house you can do what you want but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4792">TS</a>]

01:19:54   it fits with the sort of long-term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4794">TS</a>]

01:19:57   Amazon model of basically being the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4797">TS</a>]

01:20:02   infrastructure for your for your home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4802">TS</a>]

01:20:04   it's how the things your home get there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4804">TS</a>]

01:20:05   is how you resupply it's how you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4805">TS</a>]

01:20:08   everything and so that's the focus on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4808">TS</a>]

01:20:09   clothes and echo and all sort of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4809">TS</a>]

01:20:11   fits into that and having a uh having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4811">TS</a>]

01:20:16   another brand that's not Amazon I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4816">TS</a>]

01:20:19   doesn't fit into that in the long run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4819">TS</a>]

01:20:20   especially with prime because they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4820">TS</a>]

01:20:22   to be it's all Amazon it's all prime and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4822">TS</a>]

01:20:25   so I I will see how long that poses for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4825">TS</a>]

01:20:29   this world but it's I doubt it'll be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4829">TS</a>]

01:20:31   focus of their sort of apparel efforts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4831">TS</a>]

01:20:32   oh I think that is doing well I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4832">TS</a>]

01:20:35   maybe it's just continues to run as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4835">TS</a>]

01:20:37   sort of independent you know I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4837">TS</a>]

01:20:40   could easily be it well maybe not maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4840">TS</a>]

01:20:42   they make you sign in with Amazon I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4842">TS</a>]

01:20:44   don't know but I thought I was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4844">TS</a>]

01:20:45   say that I think you can shop at Zappos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4845">TS</a>]

01:20:47   and not even know that they're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4847">TS</a>]

01:20:48   subsidiary but yeah right and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4848">TS</a>]

01:20:52   that that's fine fram's I mean as long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4852">TS</a>]

01:20:55   as it's not someone else as long as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4855">TS</a>]

01:20:58   own it here's the thing that it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4858">TS</a>]

01:21:00   surprise me but it's it it it still I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4860">TS</a>]

01:21:05   still found it striking was how much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4865">TS</a>]

01:21:07   the reaction to the Amazon are the echo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4867">TS</a>]

01:21:09   look the one that's a camera for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4869">TS</a>]

01:21:11   getting dressed was a sort of knee-jerk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4871">TS</a>]

01:21:14   you think I'm putting a camera connected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4874">TS</a>]

01:21:17   to the cloud in my dressing room you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4877">TS</a>]

01:21:19   to be kidding me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4879">TS</a>]

01:21:20   um like a sort of knee-jerk I am NOT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4880">TS</a>]

01:21:23   putting a computerised camera that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4883">TS</a>]

01:21:25   know uploads pictures to the web I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4885">TS</a>]

01:21:28   you know that you don't trust it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4888">TS</a>]

01:21:29   whatever and I understand it and it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4889">TS</a>]

01:21:32   know it certainly is it's a reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4892">TS</a>]

01:21:36   concern that you'd want it to be private [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4896">TS</a>]

01:21:39   and you want it to come from a company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4899">TS</a>]

01:21:40   that you trust and you know it common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4900">TS</a>]

01:21:43   sense that you'd think you know at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4903">TS</a>]

01:21:44   think twice before you bought it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4904">TS</a>]

01:21:46   installed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4906">TS</a>]

01:21:48   but I think it's almost silly to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4908">TS</a>]

01:21:51   the point that you don't think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4911">TS</a>]

01:21:53   we're going to have cameras all over our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4913">TS</a>]

01:21:55   houses soon like it's clearly that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4915">TS</a>]

01:21:58   where it's the only way to go yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4918">TS</a>]

01:22:01   other thing too is I mean is a is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4921">TS</a>]

01:22:04   camera really much worse than the echo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4924">TS</a>]

01:22:06   itself I mean the the entire category is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4926">TS</a>]

01:22:10   very but that's how we've acted that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4930">TS</a>]

01:22:13   couple years ago they just dies down it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4933">TS</a>]

01:22:16   and I'm not saying that we should yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4936">TS</a>]

01:22:21   think you know I think anybody who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4941">TS</a>]

01:22:22   me at all through the show or Darren [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4942">TS</a>]

01:22:25   fireball would would guess that I'm it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4945">TS</a>]

01:22:28   not like I rush headlong into new things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4948">TS</a>]

01:22:31   without thinking about them you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4951">TS</a>]

01:22:34   some ways on the lowercase C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4954">TS</a>]

01:22:35   conservative a lot of it you know and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4955">TS</a>]

01:22:38   don't but you know I find out what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4958">TS</a>]

01:22:41   like it and I stick with it so I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4961">TS</a>]

01:22:44   drawn to new and shiny all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4964">TS</a>]

01:22:47   but I feel like everybody's a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4967">TS</a>]

01:22:49   - in some ways it's good that there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4969">TS</a>]

01:22:51   lot of people who are whose first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4971">TS</a>]

01:22:53   concerns privacy as opposed to thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4973">TS</a>]

01:22:55   about the cool things you could do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4975">TS</a>]

01:22:57   something like this but I'm reminded of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4977">TS</a>]

01:22:59   God it must probably like 99 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4979">TS</a>]

01:23:02   something like that but way back you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4982">TS</a>]

01:23:04   know around the the millennium when like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4984">TS</a>]

01:23:07   Mac apps into Indy Mac apps first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4987">TS</a>]

01:23:10   started adding features where they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4990">TS</a>]

01:23:12   phone home and just say like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4992">TS</a>]

01:23:15   couldn't even upgrade it would like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4995">TS</a>]

01:23:17   sparkle the technologies where you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4997">TS</a>]

01:23:19   hit a button and have you know you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/4999">TS</a>]

01:23:21   using version 3.1 version 3.2 is out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5001">TS</a>]

01:23:24   would you like to upgrade you just hit a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5004">TS</a>]

01:23:26   button and it downloads and upgrades and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5006">TS</a>]

01:23:27   quits and relaunches and there you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5007">TS</a>]

01:23:29   you're running the new one but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5009">TS</a>]

01:23:30   were apps that would just just put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5010">TS</a>]

01:23:32   dialogue up and say hey there's a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5012">TS</a>]

01:23:34   version do you want to go to the website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5014">TS</a>]

01:23:35   and download it and people freaked the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5015">TS</a>]

01:23:37   fuck out because they were like what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5017">TS</a>]

01:23:39   hell you'd you know and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5019">TS</a>]

01:23:41   sniffing the network traffic and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5021">TS</a>]

01:23:43   know and and it's not like they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5023">TS</a>]

01:23:45   revealing anything but the fact that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5025">TS</a>]

01:23:47   app was phoning home with anything even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5027">TS</a>]

01:23:49   just check the version was too much for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5029">TS</a>]

01:23:52   people and there were people who would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5032">TS</a>]

01:23:54   be like I'm you know and a minute I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5034">TS</a>]

01:23:55   deleting this app I'm switching to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5035">TS</a>]

01:23:57   competitor because there's no way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5037">TS</a>]

01:23:59   any song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5039">TS</a>]

01:24:00   where mine is going to phone home to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5040">TS</a>]

01:24:02   developer server even if it's just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5042">TS</a>]

01:24:05   check the Virgin and I I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5045">TS</a>]

01:24:09   make fun of it too bad but I mean that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5049">TS</a>]

01:24:11   you know there is there an app that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5051">TS</a>]

01:24:15   use today that doesn't doesn't notify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5055">TS</a>]

01:24:17   you when there's a new version and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5057">TS</a>]

01:24:19   feel like yeah we're going that way with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5059">TS</a>]

01:24:21   microphones and cameras we are with us I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5061">TS</a>]

01:24:24   think there's there's two sort of points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5064">TS</a>]

01:24:26   to make one is your broader point in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5066">TS</a>]

01:24:29   this is the most important point is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5069">TS</a>]

01:24:31   is sort of inevitable like we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5071">TS</a>]

01:24:33   down this direction and the fact of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5073">TS</a>]

01:24:35   matter is that most people just don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5075">TS</a>]

01:24:38   care and and this applies to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5078">TS</a>]

01:24:41   online privacy it applies to and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5081">TS</a>]

01:24:43   the big problem with with you know sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5083">TS</a>]

01:24:45   of fighting for for privacy when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5085">TS</a>]

01:24:49   comes technology products is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5089">TS</a>]

01:24:51   unfortunately people don't care and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5091">TS</a>]

01:24:53   maybe at some point there will be some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5093">TS</a>]

01:24:55   scandal that's so bad that is so big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5095">TS</a>]

01:24:57   that it will actually become something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5097">TS</a>]

01:25:00   that people care about but to date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5100">TS</a>]

01:25:02   there's no evidence that that's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5102">TS</a>]

01:25:04   happen people value convenience they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5104">TS</a>]

01:25:06   just they just do and and related to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5106">TS</a>]

01:25:11   that though that it actually is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5111">TS</a>]

01:25:14   concerning like the whole echo thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5114">TS</a>]

01:25:15   like I have I have echoes over my house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5115">TS</a>]

01:25:17   but the actual like it's not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5117">TS</a>]

01:25:21   clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5121">TS</a>]

01:25:21   I mean amazon says that that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5121">TS</a>]

01:25:23   that they're secure and all this sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5123">TS</a>]

01:25:25   stuff but there's no really recourse for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5125">TS</a>]

01:25:28   people if they were used badly like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5128">TS</a>]

01:25:32   really is just kind of trusting this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5132">TS</a>]

01:25:33   massive corporation is going to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5133">TS</a>]

01:25:36   right thing and uh and yeah obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5136">TS</a>]

01:25:40   people can and will track their network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5140">TS</a>]

01:25:43   and make sure that it's only sending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5143">TS</a>]

01:25:45   when you know when Alexis triggered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5145">TS</a>]

01:25:47   whatever might be and but then once it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5147">TS</a>]

01:25:49   on the servers you don't really know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5149">TS</a>]

01:25:50   what's happening to it it really is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5150">TS</a>]

01:25:51   massive massive problem unfortunately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5151">TS</a>]

01:25:53   it's a problem that absent some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5153">TS</a>]

01:25:58   like popular will it's hard to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5158">TS</a>]

01:26:00   anything being done about it right once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5160">TS</a>]

01:26:04   you once your yo dingus you know turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5164">TS</a>]

01:26:08   out turn out the lights in the kitchen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5168">TS</a>]

01:26:09   command goes there you have no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5169">TS</a>]

01:26:11   where that audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5171">TS</a>]

01:26:13   and how long and lasts and what they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5173">TS</a>]

01:26:15   with it it's a bit as a black box so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5175">TS</a>]

01:26:17   not discounting the privacy concerns but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5177">TS</a>]

01:26:19   I think and it's just like it's such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5179">TS</a>]

01:26:21   small example but just like how apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5181">TS</a>]

01:26:23   that can run a version check and notify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5183">TS</a>]

01:26:26   you of a new version it is a trade-off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5186">TS</a>]

01:26:29   of privacy where you know there is some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5189">TS</a>]

01:26:32   information of yours that is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5192">TS</a>]

01:26:34   the developer and they can you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5194">TS</a>]

01:26:36   maybe you know a lot of times send other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5196">TS</a>]

01:26:39   things too like what model McIntosh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5199">TS</a>]

01:26:41   you're on and how much RAM you have or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5201">TS</a>]

01:26:42   something like that you're are trading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5202">TS</a>]

01:26:44   some privacy by allowing the software to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5204">TS</a>]

01:26:46   do it but in return you're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5206">TS</a>]

01:26:48   something of such convenience it is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5208">TS</a>]

01:26:50   much that the days when you used to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5210">TS</a>]

01:26:52   to manually you know like follow you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5212">TS</a>]

01:26:54   know there's to be a website like Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5214">TS</a>]

01:26:56   update where you'd like part of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5216">TS</a>]

01:26:58   morning was go to Mac updating and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5218">TS</a>]

01:27:01   was the other one version version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5221">TS</a>]

01:27:02   tracker you'd go to version tracker and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5222">TS</a>]

01:27:05   just see if any of the software I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5225">TS</a>]

01:27:06   has a new version out and if so go go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5226">TS</a>]

01:27:09   and update it yeah I mean that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5229">TS</a>]

01:27:11   actually part of my like daily routine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5231">TS</a>]

01:27:14   it seems like madness at this point and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5234">TS</a>]

01:27:17   you know there's so much of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5237">TS</a>]

01:27:18   convenience of these AI assistants the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5238">TS</a>]

01:27:24   in were just just touching our toes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5244">TS</a>]

01:27:26   it like I don't know I the more I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5246">TS</a>]

01:27:28   about it and I know I've been talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5248">TS</a>]

01:27:30   about it a lot more on the show like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5250">TS</a>]

01:27:32   I were to go to a company like Apple or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5252">TS</a>]

01:27:35   Microsoft or something or n8 or Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5255">TS</a>]

01:27:37   like what what would I want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5257">TS</a>]

01:27:39   working on I mean until now it almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5259">TS</a>]

01:27:42   unquestionably what I would want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5262">TS</a>]

01:27:43   working on is you visual user interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5263">TS</a>]

01:27:46   stuff for the GUI I think if I were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5266">TS</a>]

01:27:50   there now I think the AI stuff would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5270">TS</a>]

01:27:53   what I would want to work on because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5273">TS</a>]

01:27:55   feel like there's so much potential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5275">TS</a>]

01:27:56   there wasn't it's interesting about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5276">TS</a>]

01:27:59   echo and with the echo show is I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5279">TS</a>]

01:28:00   it's in some respects it was good for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5280">TS</a>]

01:28:03   Amazon to watch with just the speaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5283">TS</a>]

01:28:05   because it sort of it was like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5285">TS</a>]

01:28:07   original Mac launching without arrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5287">TS</a>]

01:28:09   keys so you like you had to use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5289">TS</a>]

01:28:12   mouse and like the foundation of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5292">TS</a>]

01:28:14   being a voice interface was is baked in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5294">TS</a>]

01:28:18   very very deeply and so now the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5298">TS</a>]

01:28:19   comes out and it has a screen but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5299">TS</a>]

01:28:22   not a touch screen it's still all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5302">TS</a>]

01:28:23   voice-controlled but it's a weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5303">TS</a>]

01:28:26   because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5306">TS</a>]

01:28:27   came out originally we say why there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5307">TS</a>]

01:28:28   screen it's not touchscreen this is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5308">TS</a>]

01:28:29   weird in people like wouldn't really get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5309">TS</a>]

01:28:31   how to interact with it now it's like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5311">TS</a>]

01:28:33   wow it's so much so convenient is it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5313">TS</a>]

01:28:35   it's an echo with a screen like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5315">TS</a>]

01:28:38   whole framing in the way you think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5318">TS</a>]

01:28:39   the product is actually totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5319">TS</a>]

01:28:42   different because they it was a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5322">TS</a>]

01:28:44   sort of limited product to start out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5324">TS</a>]

01:28:46   with I did not realize it was not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5326">TS</a>]

01:28:47   touchscreen I find that shocking it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5327">TS</a>]

01:28:50   not a touchscreen I know wow that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5330">TS</a>]

01:28:53   shocking to me I find that crazy I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5333">TS</a>]

01:28:55   that's a huge mistake I think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5335">TS</a>]

01:28:58   all sorts of things that you'd want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5338">TS</a>]

01:28:59   do that you'd want to be able to touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5339">TS</a>]

01:29:00   to confirm or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5340">TS</a>]

01:29:02   wait ah yeah no that's I'm totally wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5342">TS</a>]

01:29:04   it is a touchscreen oh I thought I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5344">TS</a>]

01:29:09   thought maybe someone at Amazon had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5349">TS</a>]

01:29:11   stroke or something yeah I know I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5351">TS</a>]

01:29:14   that's funny I don't know I knew it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5354">TS</a>]

01:29:16   touchscreen and I guess I got stuck in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5356">TS</a>]

01:29:18   my head that was not a touchscreen the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5358">TS</a>]

01:29:19   the the the point I was been meaning to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5359">TS</a>]

01:29:22   make talk about it ordered altitude no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5362">TS</a>]

01:29:26   way man we're living on the point I try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5366">TS</a>]

01:29:29   to make though is the the primary means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5369">TS</a>]

01:29:31   of interacting with it is is voice I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5371">TS</a>]

01:29:34   it been a touchscreen to start out with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5374">TS</a>]

01:29:35   as I'm trying to say it would have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5375">TS</a>]

01:29:37   would have been much more limited than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5377">TS</a>]

01:29:39   it is because every developers all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5379">TS</a>]

01:29:42   skills would have all been biased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5382">TS</a>]

01:29:44   towards touch now they're all biased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5384">TS</a>]

01:29:46   towards voice you can add on touch yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5386">TS</a>]

01:29:48   that was weird I just completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5388">TS</a>]

01:29:49   hallucinate for like five minutes there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5389">TS</a>]

01:29:51   I just wrote about it yesterday I wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5391">TS</a>]

01:29:52   about of being a touchscreen I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5392">TS</a>]

01:29:54   think I do see your point that I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5394">TS</a>]

01:29:55   your point though that it is it is voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5395">TS</a>]

01:29:58   first and it matters what's first you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5398">TS</a>]

01:30:00   know that the Mac being Mouse first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5400">TS</a>]

01:30:02   influenced the design that the GUI in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5402">TS</a>]

01:30:05   way that if you could have treated it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5405">TS</a>]

01:30:07   keyboard first it that's how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5407">TS</a>]

01:30:09   software would have been written because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5409">TS</a>]

01:30:10   that's how all the other software and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5410">TS</a>]

01:30:12   all the other platforms was written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5412">TS</a>]

01:30:13   right exactly exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5413">TS</a>]

01:30:14   now is you could use an original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5414">TS</a>]

01:30:17   Macintosh like if you had two of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5417">TS</a>]

01:30:21   original Macintosh side by side and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5421">TS</a>]

01:30:23   of them only had the mouse hooked up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5423">TS</a>]

01:30:24   the other one only had the keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5424">TS</a>]

01:30:26   hooked up you could get more done on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5426">TS</a>]

01:30:28   one that had the mouse hooked up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5428">TS</a>]

01:30:29   there might have been things that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5429">TS</a>]

01:30:31   couldn't even do on the keyboard one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5431">TS</a>]

01:30:32   yeah you couldn't even get to the menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5432">TS</a>]

01:30:35   bar the only thing you could do in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5435">TS</a>]

01:30:36   menu bar was have the keyboard shortcuts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5436">TS</a>]

01:30:38   memorized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5438">TS</a>]

01:30:39   right and I mean in the long run day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5439">TS</a>]

01:30:42   they brought them back and it's better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5442">TS</a>]

01:30:43   it's better to have all you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5443">TS</a>]

01:30:45   arrow he's there and right and whatnot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5445">TS</a>]

01:30:46   but but as far as like getting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5446">TS</a>]

01:30:48   paradigm watch and and you know if had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5448">TS</a>]

01:30:52   it been a touchscreen to start it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5452">TS</a>]

01:30:55   have you know it that's just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5455">TS</a>]

01:30:57   like it it was just a phone but worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5457">TS</a>]

01:31:00   because it's locked in went one spot in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5460">TS</a>]

01:31:01   the to really drive home that it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5461">TS</a>]

01:31:05   voice interface yeah I think they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5465">TS</a>]

01:31:07   better off starting there but that said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5467">TS</a>]

01:31:09   the other thing though with the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5469">TS</a>]

01:31:12   is I think this this calling thing we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5472">TS</a>]

01:31:16   mentioned do talk board with the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5476">TS</a>]

01:31:17   and stuff like that but I think there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5477">TS</a>]

01:31:19   really is value to being able to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5479">TS</a>]

01:31:23   initiate a conversation and probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5483">TS</a>]

01:31:25   most interesting thing here in here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5485">TS</a>]

01:31:26   Amazon totally sort of ripped off one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5486">TS</a>]

01:31:28   their one of their companies like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5488">TS</a>]

01:31:30   they have a venture fund for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5490">TS</a>]

01:31:32   companies that enamel acts have built in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5492">TS</a>]

01:31:34   there's company that built a voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5494">TS</a>]

01:31:36   communication device that has the echo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5496">TS</a>]

01:31:39   built in and it's basically Amazon just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5499">TS</a>]

01:31:41   completely Sherlock them it which is bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5501">TS</a>]

01:31:44   enough when its software and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5504">TS</a>]

01:31:46   probably far more painful when it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5506">TS</a>]

01:31:47   hardware but once you have trusted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5507">TS</a>]

01:31:50   people you can drop in which basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5510">TS</a>]

01:31:52   means you can initiate a call without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5512">TS</a>]

01:31:55   there having to go through it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5515">TS</a>]

01:31:56   actually answer it or do whatever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5516">TS</a>]

01:31:57   you just be like sort of instant sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5517">TS</a>]

01:31:59   thing now if that sounds terrible a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5519">TS</a>]

01:32:00   situations but for me I'm in a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5520">TS</a>]

01:32:03   a separate office from down the street [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5523">TS</a>]

01:32:05   from from the house to be able just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5525">TS</a>]

01:32:08   turn on bail to literally drop in its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5528">TS</a>]

01:32:11   someone if I was working from home to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5531">TS</a>]

01:32:13   have some be able to you know come in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5533">TS</a>]

01:32:14   the stop the door stick their head in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5534">TS</a>]

01:32:16   it's the same sort of idea obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5536">TS</a>]

01:32:18   you're not gonna use it all the time but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5538">TS</a>]

01:32:20   the possibility I think is is compelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5540">TS</a>]

01:32:22   and interesting and fundamentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5542">TS</a>]

01:32:24   different from FaceTime fundamentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5544">TS</a>]

01:32:25   different from having to get your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5545">TS</a>]

01:32:26   and pull it out for the kids to call you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5546">TS</a>]

01:32:29   know grandma like something like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5549">TS</a>]

01:32:31   really is more convenient than than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5551">TS</a>]

01:32:34   having to use FaceTime mmm-hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5554">TS</a>]

01:32:37   I forget what it was in the context on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5557">TS</a>]

01:32:41   one of these things where I was like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5561">TS</a>]

01:32:42   know but just how crude all of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5562">TS</a>]

01:32:45   things whether whatever your favorite is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5565">TS</a>]

01:32:47   you know the Alexa platform or Siri or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5567">TS</a>]

01:32:49   Google or whatever it's so early days on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5569">TS</a>]

01:32:52   them that will we will look back and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5572">TS</a>]

01:32:55   know this is like to the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5575">TS</a>]

01:32:57   personal computer like what the Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5577">TS</a>]

01:32:59   was in 1981 you know its we're just at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5579">TS</a>]

01:33:03   the tip of the iceberg but that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5583">TS</a>]

01:33:05   see where we're going and I wrote that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5585">TS</a>]

01:33:07   know really what I want is I want like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5587">TS</a>]

01:33:09   c-3po but I thought about a couple days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5589">TS</a>]

01:33:12   later I realized I was totally wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5592">TS</a>]

01:33:13   that that's too much because the that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5593">TS</a>]

01:33:15   a having the actual like robot who can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5595">TS</a>]

01:33:18   walk around is an entirely different set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5598">TS</a>]

01:33:19   of problems for these AI assistants what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5599">TS</a>]

01:33:22   I want is how from 2001 and I I wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5602">TS</a>]

01:33:25   that and I feel like every time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5605">TS</a>]

01:33:26   bring up how everybody just goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5606">TS</a>]

01:33:28   immediately to yeah but he you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5608">TS</a>]

01:33:30   killed a bunch of astronauts and tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5610">TS</a>]

01:33:31   to kill the other you know tried to kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5611">TS</a>]

01:33:32   the last one too and had to be how'd it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5612">TS</a>]

01:33:34   be put right on alright put aside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5614">TS</a>]

01:33:37   fact that he killed people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5617">TS</a>]

01:33:38   hahaha and he but he did kill people for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5618">TS</a>]

01:33:41   a very logical reason you know that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5621">TS</a>]

01:33:43   don't want to spoil the movie but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5623">TS</a>]

01:33:44   you know and about it if you haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5624">TS</a>]

01:33:47   watched doesn't what do you watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5627">TS</a>]

01:33:48   doesn't one but if you just if you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5628">TS</a>]

01:33:51   about the stuff that how does in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5631">TS</a>]

01:33:53   movie and how the astronauts interact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5633">TS</a>]

01:33:56   with them it's exactly where we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5636">TS</a>]

01:33:58   it is exactly the it is it it could not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5638">TS</a>]

01:34:04   be a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5644">TS</a>]

01:34:04   everybody is racing towards how where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5644">TS</a>]

01:34:07   it's not just a voice in a speaker where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5647">TS</a>]

01:34:10   you can ask how you know what's what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5650">TS</a>]

01:34:12   the square root of 256 or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5652">TS</a>]

01:34:15   that and get an answer it's that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5655">TS</a>]

01:34:18   the home automation integration where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5658">TS</a>]

01:34:21   you can say things like tell your dingus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5661">TS</a>]

01:34:24   to you know close all the blinds if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5664">TS</a>]

01:34:27   have blinds that are hooked up to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5667">TS</a>]

01:34:29   smart house or something like that or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5669">TS</a>]

01:34:30   change the color of your lights or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5670">TS</a>]

01:34:32   something like that like that's how they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5672">TS</a>]

01:34:34   ran the spaceship is they would tell how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5674">TS</a>]

01:34:36   to you know open the pod bay doors or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5676">TS</a>]

01:34:38   something like that like that's exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5678">TS</a>]

01:34:40   where we're going with all these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5680">TS</a>]

01:34:41   and it's you know and you watch and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5681">TS</a>]

01:34:45   of the things that you know if Kubrick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5685">TS</a>]

01:34:47   got so well in that movie is that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5687">TS</a>]

01:34:49   you know from the perspective of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5689">TS</a>]

01:34:51   somebody watching it in 1968 it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5691">TS</a>]

01:34:53   whiz-bang futuristic stuff like wow you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5693">TS</a>]

01:34:55   can tell how to open the door and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5695">TS</a>]

01:34:57   door opens but the astronauts acted like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5697">TS</a>]

01:34:59   it was the most normal thing in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5699">TS</a>]

01:35:00   world because they were used to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5700">TS</a>]

01:35:02   right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5702">TS</a>]

01:35:04   anyway I think everybody needs to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5704">TS</a>]

01:35:06   how and realize that that's exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5706">TS</a>]

01:35:08   where we're going any other thing too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5708">TS</a>]

01:35:09   about how was that and it would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5709">TS</a>]

01:35:12   been so easy from 1968 perspective to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5712">TS</a>]

01:35:17   imagine how as a big refrigerator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5717">TS</a>]

01:35:20   computing device that's located in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5720">TS</a>]

01:35:24   the bridge of the spaceship and did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5724">TS</a>]

01:35:27   think of that you know because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5727">TS</a>]

01:35:29   what computers were but how was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5729">TS</a>]

01:35:30   everywhere right they were just little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5730">TS</a>]

01:35:33   little red cameras all around the ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5733">TS</a>]

01:35:35   he was a system that was running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5735">TS</a>]

01:35:37   throughout the whole ship right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5737">TS</a>]

01:35:40   that's exactly the model of like I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5740">TS</a>]

01:35:43   in the Amazon tivity where you you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5743">TS</a>]

01:35:46   could sprinkle these dots throughout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5746">TS</a>]

01:35:48   your house so that you know if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5748">TS</a>]

01:35:50   upstairs or downstairs you can access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5750">TS</a>]

01:35:52   the exact same system the other the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5752">TS</a>]

01:35:56   other I completely agree I think it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5756">TS</a>]

01:36:00   great example of of the what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5760">TS</a>]

01:36:04   everyone is going for the other point I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5764">TS</a>]

01:36:06   would make I was just think about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5766">TS</a>]

01:36:07   in terms of FaceTime is Google launched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5767">TS</a>]

01:36:10   a FaceTime competitor I came or what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5770">TS</a>]

01:36:13   it's called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5773">TS</a>]

01:36:14   um wowing or was it a low no hellos the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5774">TS</a>]

01:36:17   chat app we have weirdly they launched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5777">TS</a>]

01:36:20   two apps separately the Google duo yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5780">TS</a>]

01:36:23   I mean it's a problem the problem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5783">TS</a>]

01:36:27   that is it's a separate app you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5787">TS</a>]

01:36:29   go download it etc and it's work beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5789">TS</a>]

01:36:33   you know why FaceTime is built-in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5793">TS</a>]

01:36:36   now obviously the advantage is you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5796">TS</a>]

01:36:38   through I could go across platform then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5798">TS</a>]

01:36:40   you're competing against Skype those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5800">TS</a>]

01:36:41   which which has similar capability and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5801">TS</a>]

01:36:44   it's just it's just a hard is it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5804">TS</a>]

01:36:46   Google's problem is always sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5806">TS</a>]

01:36:48   go-to-market how they actually get their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5808">TS</a>]

01:36:49   products and technology into people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5809">TS</a>]

01:36:51   hands and you know obviously Android is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5811">TS</a>]

01:36:55   one way to do that but then you have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5815">TS</a>]

01:36:57   the other cross people on iPhones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5817">TS</a>]

01:36:59   download its anyhow it's hard my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5819">TS</a>]

01:37:01   impression of Google from the outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5821">TS</a>]

01:37:03   and a load a load duo thing is a perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5823">TS</a>]

01:37:05   example of it is that they're their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5825">TS</a>]

01:37:07   company culture is so resistant to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5827">TS</a>]

01:37:11   product people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5831">TS</a>]

01:37:13   you know like in and of itself there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5833">TS</a>]

01:37:15   nothing on product like about a lo or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5835">TS</a>]

01:37:18   duo but there's clearly no overarching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5838">TS</a>]

01:37:20   strategy connecting the two or otherwise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5840">TS</a>]

01:37:22   they wouldn't exist as separate products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5842">TS</a>]

01:37:24   but there's nobody I don't feel as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5844">TS</a>]

01:37:25   anybody in position of authority to sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5845">TS</a>]

01:37:27   of crack that whip and and guide it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5847">TS</a>]

01:37:31   you know it's just a thousand individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5851">TS</a>]

01:37:34   cats wandering around Mountain View [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5854">TS</a>]

01:37:36   doing whatever the hell they want yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5856">TS</a>]

01:37:40   I don't know it is it is it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5860">TS</a>]

01:37:42   certainly does not seem ideal but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5862">TS</a>]

01:37:44   difference here with the with Alexa and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5864">TS</a>]

01:37:46   this voice calling is because of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5866">TS</a>]

01:37:50   show device like there is actually a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5870">TS</a>]

01:37:53   reason to download the app and to use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5873">TS</a>]

01:37:57   because there is capability that is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5877">TS</a>]

01:38:00   it's it's not just a ripoff it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5880">TS</a>]

01:38:02   actually doing something new and unique [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5882">TS</a>]

01:38:05   that is worth going to the trouble of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5885">TS</a>]

01:38:06   downloading the app for and so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5886">TS</a>]

01:38:08   actually I would argue much more of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5888">TS</a>]

01:38:10   threat in the long run to FaceTime than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5890">TS</a>]

01:38:13   Google or Skype whatever even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5893">TS</a>]

01:38:15   those have the advantage of being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5895">TS</a>]

01:38:16   cross-platform ello is not only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5896">TS</a>]

01:38:19   cross-platform but also has this third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5899">TS</a>]

01:38:22   dimension that makes you want to want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5902">TS</a>]

01:38:25   use it hmm yeah I can sort of see that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5905">TS</a>]

01:38:33   wonder how many people use a low I never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5913">TS</a>]

01:38:36   really hear about it anymore seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5916">TS</a>]

01:38:38   one of those things that you know an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5918">TS</a>]

01:38:41   example using it well I mean this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5921">TS</a>]

01:38:44   it's created for Google's benefit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5924">TS</a>]

01:38:46   because they need a chat app right yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5926">TS</a>]

01:38:48   like there's there's no market need for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5928">TS</a>]

01:38:51   it like there are plenty of chat apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5931">TS</a>]

01:38:53   and this is the and you can't they added [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5933">TS</a>]

01:38:58   some features like you can't just tack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5938">TS</a>]

01:39:00   on some features like you have to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5940">TS</a>]

01:39:03   have to create a fund like the echo show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5943">TS</a>]

01:39:06   creates a fundamentally new use case for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5946">TS</a>]

01:39:08   video calling because it's like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5948">TS</a>]

01:39:10   omnipresent object in a civil occasion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5950">TS</a>]

01:39:13   like you know in a place where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5953">TS</a>]

01:39:15   actually makes sense yes it's kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5955">TS</a>]

01:39:17   landline and blah blah blah but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5957">TS</a>]

01:39:18   you can't when you're wondering on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5958">TS</a>]

01:39:20   house and your phone with you to be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5960">TS</a>]

01:39:21   just shout out call whoever and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5961">TS</a>]

01:39:24   call other echoes you can it's not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5964">TS</a>]

01:39:26   a show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5966">TS</a>]

01:39:27   so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5967">TS</a>]

01:39:27   can call from echo to phone like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5967">TS</a>]

01:39:30   it's a fundamentally new use case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5970">TS</a>]

01:39:32   whereas these Google products had some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5972">TS</a>]

01:39:34   new features but the actual use case was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5974">TS</a>]

01:39:36   well served by plenty of other apps that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5976">TS</a>]

01:39:38   were there early and it's even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5978">TS</a>]

01:39:40   difficult because it's a network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5980">TS</a>]

01:39:41   products and the single most important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5981">TS</a>]

01:39:44   feature the single most important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5984">TS</a>]

01:39:46   feature of any chat app is do your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5986">TS</a>]

01:39:48   friends and family use it like nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5988">TS</a>]

01:39:50   else matters beyond that yep because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5990">TS</a>]

01:39:52   it's it's like the old argument about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5992">TS</a>]

01:39:54   you know who bought the first fax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5994">TS</a>]

01:39:56   machine right who the hell are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/5996">TS</a>]

01:40:00   getting faxes from you just bought the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6000">TS</a>]

01:40:01   first one but all of a sudden if one guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6001">TS</a>]

01:40:04   across town buys the second one all of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6004">TS</a>]

01:40:06   sudden you've got something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6006">TS</a>]

01:40:07   valuable I mean it has more value than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6007">TS</a>]

01:40:10   it did when you each was the only fax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6010">TS</a>]

01:40:11   machine on the on the phone network and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6011">TS</a>]

01:40:14   this is what one thing was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6014">TS</a>]

01:40:16   interesting was when the whole messaging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6016">TS</a>]

01:40:17   app like revolution would not it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6017">TS</a>]

01:40:21   very brief was like two or three years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6021">TS</a>]

01:40:22   and what happened was it was really one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6022">TS</a>]

01:40:26   sort of country by country and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6026">TS</a>]

01:40:28   countries which basically settle on one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6028">TS</a>]

01:40:30   service and that was it and it was over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6030">TS</a>]

01:40:32   like the fight was the it was done there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6032">TS</a>]

01:40:34   was no more there's no more of a fight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6034">TS</a>]

01:40:37   to be had and you had companies like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6037">TS</a>]

01:40:39   Chad and line spending all kinds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6039">TS</a>]

01:40:41   money trying to break into other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6041">TS</a>]

01:40:43   countries but once you're already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6043">TS</a>]

01:40:46   established absent absent some massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6046">TS</a>]

01:40:50   leap in functionality like the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6050">TS</a>]

01:40:53   why messaging you know was such a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6053">TS</a>]

01:40:54   deal is that in nearly every country the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6054">TS</a>]

01:40:56   world except for the US you have to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6056">TS</a>]

01:40:57   for SMS and I think this is why they I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6057">TS</a>]

01:41:00   still this is why the US thing is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6060">TS</a>]

01:41:03   fragmented and is much further much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6063">TS</a>]

01:41:06   behind as opposed to like message it at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6066">TS</a>]

01:41:08   penetration I mean and why I message is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6068">TS</a>]

01:41:10   probably the strongest the strongest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6070">TS</a>]

01:41:13   network because it's piggyback on SMS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6073">TS</a>]

01:41:15   but it's different it was different in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6075">TS</a>]

01:41:17   almost every other country in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6077">TS</a>]

01:41:17   we're not having to pay is a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6077">TS</a>]

01:41:21   powerful way to drive adoption right uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6081">TS</a>]

01:41:24   but once that was done once everyone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6084">TS</a>]

01:41:27   already using a chat app that lets them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6087">TS</a>]

01:41:29   chat for free to get them to switch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6089">TS</a>]

01:41:33   not just switch one person because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6093">TS</a>]

01:41:35   have to switch everyone simultaneously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6095">TS</a>]

01:41:37   at the same time is basically these all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6097">TS</a>]

01:41:40   you know extreme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6100">TS</a>]

01:41:41   be difficult alright the lack of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6101">TS</a>]

01:41:44   foresight that the carrier's had by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6104">TS</a>]

01:41:46   trying to milk the SMS revenue at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6106">TS</a>]

01:41:49   expense of well if we just give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6109">TS</a>]

01:41:52   everybody free at the very least they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6112">TS</a>]

01:41:54   they're attached to the phone right then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6114">TS</a>]

01:41:58   a right number and we've got we've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6118">TS</a>]

01:42:00   like a at least got a sticky platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6120">TS</a>]

01:42:02   like in the way that I message has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6122">TS</a>]

01:42:04   very very good Apple even though they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6124">TS</a>]

01:42:06   never once charged a send one of apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6126">TS</a>]

01:42:08   yeah right yes yeah I mean it's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6128">TS</a>]

01:42:12   apples but III probably - uh Natasha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6132">TS</a>]

01:42:15   before for sure I've complained about of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6135">TS</a>]

01:42:17   exponents but people often ask like or I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6137">TS</a>]

01:42:20   get emails whenever I write about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6140">TS</a>]

01:42:21   messaging messaging apps and people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6141">TS</a>]

01:42:23   you know Oh Apple why is an iMessage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6143">TS</a>]

01:42:26   in the stock price well you know we ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6146">TS</a>]

01:42:28   cent is worth X amount Facebook's worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6148">TS</a>]

01:42:30   X amount Facebook Apple stock should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6150">TS</a>]

01:42:32   higher because they have this this they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6152">TS</a>]

01:42:34   have iMessage and I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6154">TS</a>]

01:42:36   iMessage is absolutely accounted for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6156">TS</a>]

01:42:38   it's accounted for in the phone like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6158">TS</a>]

01:42:41   is a reason why Apple can maintain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6161">TS</a>]

01:42:44   charge such high margins on the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6164">TS</a>]

01:42:46   can maintain its share can be so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6166">TS</a>]

01:42:48   dominant in iMessage is it's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6168">TS</a>]

01:42:51   reason but it is a significant reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6171">TS</a>]

01:42:53   why people on iPhones continue to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6173">TS</a>]

01:42:57   iPhones and so it's super valuable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6177">TS</a>]

01:43:00   it is accounted for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6180">TS</a>]

01:43:02   it's just embedded in the iPhone yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6182">TS</a>]

01:43:05   do think it might be discounted in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6185">TS</a>]

01:43:07   ways but it's different than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6187">TS</a>]

01:43:09   independent messaging platforms like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6189">TS</a>]

01:43:11   what do it make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6191">TS</a>]

01:43:12   yeah but if you broke it out if I messes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6192">TS</a>]

01:43:14   was actually available on Android and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6194">TS</a>]

01:43:16   and why is that's all that matters yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6196">TS</a>]

01:43:19   maybe the iMessage category or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6199">TS</a>]

01:43:24   division would be worth a lot but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6204">TS</a>]

01:43:26   iPhone I think the cost that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6206">TS</a>]

01:43:30   borne by the iPhone would actually be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6210">TS</a>]

01:43:31   even greater than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6211">TS</a>]

01:43:32   right alright anyway when there was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6212">TS</a>]

01:43:35   rumor last year that Apple was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6215">TS</a>]

01:43:37   ship uh I you know I message for Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6217">TS</a>]

01:43:40   I I do believe in fact I heard from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6220">TS</a>]

01:43:44   people that they're absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6224">TS</a>]

01:43:46   positively were mocks that were floated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6226">TS</a>]

01:43:48   within Apple but that doesn't mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6228">TS</a>]

01:43:50   there was ever any serious intention to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6230">TS</a>]

01:43:52   do it it's almost more like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6232">TS</a>]

01:43:54   why wouldn't there be why wouldn't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6234">TS</a>]

01:43:55   at least you know sketch out how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6235">TS</a>]

01:43:57   would work whether they have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6237">TS</a>]

01:43:59   intention of doing it or not but it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6239">TS</a>]

01:44:00   seemed to me so unlikely because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6240">TS</a>]

01:44:03   seemed to me like whatever they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6243">TS</a>]

01:44:05   get from it they would lose in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6245">TS</a>]

01:44:08   stickiness that my message gives to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6248">TS</a>]

01:44:10   phone in terms of yeah any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6250">TS</a>]

01:44:12   temptation you have if you have tons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6252">TS</a>]

01:44:15   tons of blue bubbles in your text with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6255">TS</a>]

01:44:17   your friends and family any temptation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6257">TS</a>]

01:44:19   you might have to switch to an Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6259">TS</a>]

01:44:20   phone when it dawns on you that you lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6260">TS</a>]

01:44:23   all those AI messages and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6263">TS</a>]

01:44:24   goes green it's like it maybe not right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6264">TS</a>]

01:44:28   and that's why they in that that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6268">TS</a>]

01:44:30   motivation for making AI messages more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6270">TS</a>]

01:44:33   and more have more and more features and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6273">TS</a>]

01:44:35   and things like that I mean I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6275">TS</a>]

01:44:36   they've done a poor job of it but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6276">TS</a>]

01:44:39   motivation is to differentiate it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6279">TS</a>]

01:44:42   SMS even further so that yet to switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6282">TS</a>]

01:44:45   something else doesn't you know feel it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6285">TS</a>]

01:44:48   feels like a terrible idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6288">TS</a>]

01:44:49   yeah I mean I I you know I'm not a I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6289">TS</a>]

01:44:53   not a big fan of I don't like using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6293">TS</a>]

01:44:55   Android in part I'm not used to it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6295">TS</a>]

01:44:57   there's there's little things that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6297">TS</a>]

01:44:58   don't like um that that kinda off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6298">TS</a>]

01:45:01   wall but without question the but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6301">TS</a>]

01:45:04   still I have a pixel now I've use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6304">TS</a>]

01:45:08   Android phones occasionally but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6308">TS</a>]

01:45:10   messages without question the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6310">TS</a>]

01:45:13   straight-up frustrating aspect of using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6313">TS</a>]

01:45:16   a Android phone for any period of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6316">TS</a>]

01:45:18   I don't like there's little stuff but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6318">TS</a>]

01:45:20   need with us a flirt or you can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6320">TS</a>]

01:45:21   student get over it you can't really get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6321">TS</a>]

01:45:24   past their not being our message right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6324">TS</a>]

01:45:25   but it's interesting to think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6325">TS</a>]

01:45:27   iMessage as a wholly owned proprietary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6327">TS</a>]

01:45:29   to iOS and Mac OS to a lesser degree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6329">TS</a>]

01:45:33   messaging platform that Apple owns and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6333">TS</a>]

01:45:36   think about this and tell me if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6336">TS</a>]

01:45:37   think this is interesting hypothetical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6337">TS</a>]

01:45:39   but what if when Instagram was on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6339">TS</a>]

01:45:44   market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6344">TS</a>]

01:45:45   what if Apple had bought Instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6345">TS</a>]

01:45:46   instead of Facebook and kept it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6346">TS</a>]

01:45:49   io io s only is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6349">TS</a>]

01:45:53   interesting I think of I I think it kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6353">TS</a>]

01:45:55   of is like in the way that people use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6355">TS</a>]

01:45:57   you know that it that the blue bubbles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6357">TS</a>]

01:46:00   are seen as having more status than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6360">TS</a>]

01:46:02   green bubbles like imagine if there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6362">TS</a>]

01:46:04   tens of millions of people sharing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6364">TS</a>]

01:46:06   photos on Instagram you know and you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6366">TS</a>]

01:46:10   only wait you couldn't even look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6370">TS</a>]

01:46:11   unless you had an iPhone it is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6371">TS</a>]

01:46:14   interesting I mean because you're it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6374">TS</a>]

01:46:16   valued destructive uh you know II [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6376">TS</a>]

01:46:19   according like theoretically its value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6379">TS</a>]

01:46:21   destructive to by a sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6381">TS</a>]

01:46:24   horizontal service and limit it to we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6384">TS</a>]

01:46:27   platform in the context of the service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6387">TS</a>]

01:46:29   itself so like Instagram is worth what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6389">TS</a>]

01:46:31   you know however a huge amount of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6391">TS</a>]

01:46:35   vastly more than Facebook paid for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6395">TS</a>]

01:46:38   they paid 1 million dollars I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6398">TS</a>]

01:46:39   what I pay 1 billion but I would I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6399">TS</a>]

01:46:41   wouldn't be surprised if they tried to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6401">TS</a>]

01:46:42   sell it now I would I mean I would think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6402">TS</a>]

01:46:44   like 50 billion I don't know I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6404">TS</a>]

01:46:46   all yes it's worth so much that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6406">TS</a>]

01:46:48   almost you know you you have to it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6408">TS</a>]

01:46:52   who whatever somebody would be willing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6412">TS</a>]

01:46:53   to pay for it it's kind of like a value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6413">TS</a>]

01:46:55   on it and and they'd be pay they be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6415">TS</a>]

01:46:57   willing to pay a lot but so it would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6417">TS</a>]

01:47:00   be worth that it by itself but to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6420">TS</a>]

01:47:04   point by the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6424">TS</a>]

01:47:06   Android came out and which was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6426">TS</a>]

01:47:07   three days before Facebook bought it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6427">TS</a>]

01:47:11   momentum and sort of place that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6431">TS</a>]

01:47:13   Instagram had in sort of like popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6433">TS</a>]

01:47:16   culture even with only having however [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6436">TS</a>]

01:47:18   many users it had it was it was it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6438">TS</a>]

01:47:20   thing it was very much a thing just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6440">TS</a>]

01:47:22   being on iOS and yeah I would it still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6442">TS</a>]

01:47:25   be a thing I think that's sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6445">TS</a>]

01:47:27   longer-run question like would it be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6447">TS</a>]

01:47:28   able to maintain that or would a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6448">TS</a>]

01:47:30   cross-platform service really you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6450">TS</a>]

01:47:34   whether I mean snapchat would probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6454">TS</a>]

01:47:37   be much better shape today if if Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6457">TS</a>]

01:47:39   had done that uh being a something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6459">TS</a>]

01:47:43   that's more broadly accessible and um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6463">TS</a>]

01:47:46   it's a really missing it's a religion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6466">TS</a>]

01:47:48   point I Oh clearly Facebook would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6468">TS</a>]

01:47:51   been would have if Apple had bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6471">TS</a>]

01:47:53   Instagram Facebook would have done their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6473">TS</a>]

01:47:55   best given we see what they do with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6475">TS</a>]

01:47:57   snapchat they would have tried seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6477">TS</a>]

01:47:59   different ways to copy Instagram you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6479">TS</a>]

01:48:01   know whether it was with a their own new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6481">TS</a>]

01:48:03   app or whether putting it in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6483">TS</a>]

01:48:05   regular Facebook feed you know just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6485">TS</a>]

01:48:06   they've copied snapchats stories gimmick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6486">TS</a>]

01:48:09   like seven different ways so maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6489">TS</a>]

01:48:12   would have been Facebook somehow would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6492">TS</a>]

01:48:13   have done it but I still think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6493">TS</a>]

01:48:15   something interesting there and the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6495">TS</a>]

01:48:16   would be that it would wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6496">TS</a>]

01:48:17   necessarily like Instagram itself as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6497">TS</a>]

01:48:20   Apple subsidiary wouldn't be worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6500">TS</a>]

01:48:21   anywhere near what Instagram is worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6501">TS</a>]

01:48:23   today it's a Facebook subsidiary with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6503">TS</a>]

01:48:25   all the so many more users but it might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6505">TS</a>]

01:48:29   but with the iPhone be worth that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6509">TS</a>]

01:48:31   buy the iPhone might be worth more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6511">TS</a>]

01:48:32   because people would be terrified of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6512">TS</a>]

01:48:34   getting a different phone because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6514">TS</a>]

01:48:36   wouldn't be able to share their stuff to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6516">TS</a>]

01:48:37   Instagram anymore and they've got 4,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6517">TS</a>]

01:48:40   followers or whatever on Instagram and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6520">TS</a>]

01:48:42   the only way they can keep that going is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6522">TS</a>]

01:48:44   if they keep buying iPhones yeah and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6524">TS</a>]

01:48:47   can't help but think that that was I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6527">TS</a>]

01:48:48   never heard this from anybody so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6528">TS</a>]

01:48:51   just complete speculation on my part no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6531">TS</a>]

01:48:53   not single birdy has ever said anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6533">TS</a>]

01:48:55   to me but I thought it was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6535">TS</a>]

01:48:56   conspicuous I thought it right at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6536">TS</a>]

01:48:57   time that Instagram for Android shipped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6537">TS</a>]

01:49:00   coincident with their acquisition from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6540">TS</a>]

01:49:03   Facebook like it was only after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6543">TS</a>]

01:49:05   Facebook acquisition was made official I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6545">TS</a>]

01:49:08   forget if like all the eyes were dotted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6548">TS</a>]

01:49:10   ya know it was like the same week yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6550">TS</a>]

01:49:13   you know I cannot help but think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6553">TS</a>]

01:49:16   Apple might have at least been at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6556">TS</a>]

01:49:17   table and you know the fact you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6557">TS</a>]

01:49:20   would be a lot easier to never have had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6560">TS</a>]

01:49:22   an Android version than to sell the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6562">TS</a>]

01:49:24   Apple right exactly exactly Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6564">TS</a>]

01:49:26   version and I think the only part of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6566">TS</a>]

01:49:28   that was even interesting to Apple was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6568">TS</a>]

01:49:30   that it was iOS exclusive yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6570">TS</a>]

01:49:33   famously without without question yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6573">TS</a>]

01:49:35   Instagram as it is today is not labeled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6575">TS</a>]

01:49:37   it isn't wouldn't know he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6577">TS</a>]

01:49:39   available Apple and you're in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6579">TS</a>]

01:49:40   right that you're not any cutting at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6580">TS</a>]

01:49:42   right that's the funny thing is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6582">TS</a>]

01:49:43   Instagram is more valuable today but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6583">TS</a>]

01:49:47   wouldn't be more valuable to Apple it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6587">TS</a>]

01:49:48   was only valuable to Apple as an iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6588">TS</a>]

01:49:50   exclusive and it emphasizes their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6590">TS</a>]

01:49:52   product marketing that that camera is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6592">TS</a>]

01:49:54   better on the iPhone uh that you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6594">TS</a>]

01:49:57   it kind of fit in yeah you know mr. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6597">TS</a>]

01:50:00   Schiller shouldered deleted his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6600">TS</a>]

01:50:01   Instagram account right after that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6601">TS</a>]

01:50:04   Android version the more you mention it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6604">TS</a>]

01:50:06   yeah I think they probably should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6606">TS</a>]

01:50:08   done it again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6608">TS</a>]

01:50:11   Instagram would not be worth what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6611">TS</a>]

01:50:12   today as a part of Apple and it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6612">TS</a>]

01:50:15   possible to your point another network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6615">TS</a>]

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01:52:18   problem that twitter has that's part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6738">TS</a>]

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01:53:01   something that was very self-assured and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6781">TS</a>]

01:53:03   knew exactly what it was for and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6783">TS</a>]

01:53:06   people would do with it like people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6786">TS</a>]

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01:53:12   see Twitter they're like I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6792">TS</a>]

01:53:14   what I'm looking at right and the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6794">TS</a>]

01:53:16   photos are are such a and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6796">TS</a>]

01:53:19   something that Facebook knew when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6799">TS</a>]

01:53:21   bought Instagram I mean Facebook was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6801">TS</a>]

01:53:23   built on photos photo sharing but to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6803">TS</a>]

01:53:26   take to be break that down just to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6806">TS</a>]

01:53:29   stream of individual photos and not only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6809">TS</a>]

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01:53:32   approachable and something people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6812">TS</a>]

01:53:34   but it went itself very obviously and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6814">TS</a>]

01:53:36   easily to advertising and in a way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6816">TS</a>]

01:53:38   Twitter you know it's advertising on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6818">TS</a>]

01:53:41   Twitter is is hard like yes you can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6821">TS</a>]

01:53:44   the promoted tweet thing but it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6824">TS</a>]

01:53:46   like you're strolling past it so quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6826">TS</a>]

01:53:48   and it's hard to really sort of get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6828">TS</a>]

01:53:50   immersed in it and it's part you know to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6830">TS</a>]

01:53:52   start to add more media in part because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6832">TS</a>]

01:53:54   it makes a better canvas for advertising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6834">TS</a>]

01:53:56   but just the way you use Twitter is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6836">TS</a>]

01:53:58   really amenable to it and Twitter's had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6838">TS</a>]

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01:54:01   response where you see something and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6841">TS</a>]

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01:54:04   people think and operate when they're on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6844">TS</a>]

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01:54:14   know they like looking at products and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6854">TS</a>]

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01:54:17   want to buy the product and it's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6857">TS</a>]

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01:54:24   follow a lot of watch accounts on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6864">TS</a>]

01:54:26   Instagram like and for obvious reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6866">TS</a>]

01:54:28   the watch stuff is way to me at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6868">TS</a>]

01:54:31   it's way more interesting on Instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6871">TS</a>]

01:54:33   than it is on Twitter because it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6873">TS</a>]

01:54:34   visual it's like hey you know take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6874">TS</a>]

01:54:36   look at this picture of a watch it's if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6876">TS</a>]

01:54:38   you're interested in watches that's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6878">TS</a>]

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01:54:58   huge deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6898">TS</a>]

01:54:59   like I don't all right like in the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6899">TS</a>]

01:55:02   of the web you know they're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6902">TS</a>]

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01:55:07   and whereas on Instagram they're looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6907">TS</a>]

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01:55:24   two-degree but um same thing with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6924">TS</a>]

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01:55:32   about these mobile advertisements and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6932">TS</a>]

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01:56:19   but it feels weird how that via the feed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/6979">TS</a>]

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02:04:43   example of that I think probably the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7483">TS</a>]

02:04:45   review that I'm as a product review that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7485">TS</a>]

02:04:48   I probably did the worst job on was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7488">TS</a>]

02:04:50   original Apple watch and that's why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7490">TS</a>]

02:04:51   like a month later I wrote like a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7491">TS</a>]

02:04:53   one was more or less the same basic idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7493">TS</a>]

02:04:55   of here's this new product from Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7495">TS</a>]

02:04:58   what is it what do I think about it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7498">TS</a>]

02:05:00   the first one was just it I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7500">TS</a>]

02:05:04   it wasn't awful but it wasn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7504">TS</a>]

02:05:05   poorly written but just I just never sat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7505">TS</a>]

02:05:08   right with me and rereading it a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7508">TS</a>]

02:05:09   later I was like just I did I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7509">TS</a>]

02:05:11   it felt like a swing on a mess and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7511">TS</a>]

02:05:14   feel like part of the problem was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7514">TS</a>]

02:05:16   it was it was too much of a what's good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7516">TS</a>]

02:05:20   about this product review whereas it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7520">TS</a>]

02:05:22   should have you know it wasn't it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7522">TS</a>]

02:05:24   written from that perspective I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7524">TS</a>]

02:05:26   know if that's quite confirmation bias [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7526">TS</a>]

02:05:28   but it's it Apple wouldn't do this if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7528">TS</a>]

02:05:31   they didn't have a good reason to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7531">TS</a>]

02:05:32   so what are those good reasons whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7532">TS</a>]

02:05:34   think the story was more this is a you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7534">TS</a>]

02:05:37   know especially that 1.0 watch was this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7537">TS</a>]

02:05:39   is a product that doesn't really know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7539">TS</a>]

02:05:40   what it's good for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7540">TS</a>]

02:05:41   yeah yeah no I mean it's funny I I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7541">TS</a>]

02:05:45   all over the place on the watch my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7545">TS</a>]

02:05:47   original take was that which is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7547">TS</a>]

02:05:49   this is a product that is lacking vision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7549">TS</a>]

02:05:51   like it doesn't know what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7551">TS</a>]

02:05:52   I think that's get more accurate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7552">TS</a>]

02:05:54   writings I was then I went back and I in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7554">TS</a>]

02:05:57   I actually fell into the like I had too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7557">TS</a>]

02:05:59   much faith in Apple like dunno really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7559">TS</a>]

02:06:01   are they really just watching this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7561">TS</a>]

02:06:02   beautiful device and then that's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7562">TS</a>]

02:06:04   the point and and so I actually went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7564">TS</a>]

02:06:07   back and changed my mind and that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7567">TS</a>]

02:06:08   very notorious contentious episode of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7568">TS</a>]

02:06:10   exponent were being James arguing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7570">TS</a>]

02:06:11   it and then I and then eventually I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7571">TS</a>]

02:06:14   didn't back my in this case my fix was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7574">TS</a>]

02:06:18   actually wrong and worse and so I had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7578">TS</a>]

02:06:20   go back into like you know actually I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7580">TS</a>]

02:06:22   had it right the first time and now it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7582">TS</a>]

02:06:24   a I hate that I hate that that happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7584">TS</a>]

02:06:26   especially because I actually had it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7586">TS</a>]

02:06:28   right the first time but yeah I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7588">TS</a>]

02:06:31   whatever it happens if you're giving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7591">TS</a>]

02:06:33   your if you're giving your analysis or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7593">TS</a>]

02:06:36   opinion four days a week you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7596">TS</a>]

02:06:38   get it wrong which is fine as long as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7598">TS</a>]

02:06:40   you as long as you correct it so you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7600">TS</a>]

02:06:41   run in as we've spoken about this that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7601">TS</a>]

02:06:45   we you don't right Stratego e is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7605">TS</a>]

02:06:48   it's the tech in general I mean and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7608">TS</a>]

02:06:51   you tend to fight against er tech reef [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7611">TS</a>]

02:06:53   so to take your attacker ease detectors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7613">TS</a>]

02:06:56   a daiquiri tech about tech I honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7616">TS</a>]

02:06:59   don't even do it to brass you I honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7619">TS</a>]

02:07:01   have done it I though I make it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7621">TS</a>]

02:07:03   certain amount the mister I pronounce it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7623">TS</a>]

02:07:05   differently at the beginning so I made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7625">TS</a>]

02:07:07   it even worse is already a bad name and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7627">TS</a>]

02:07:09   I made it worse so it's all 100 my fault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7629">TS</a>]

02:07:12   but alas it is what it is so um I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7632">TS</a>]

02:07:17   tell people why people as what my slide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7637">TS</a>]

02:07:19   I just um to search for Ben Thompson on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7639">TS</a>]

02:07:20   Google because the that's the to don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7640">TS</a>]

02:07:23   Jason freed thing like we were talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7643">TS</a>]

02:07:24   about domain names like for years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7644">TS</a>]

02:07:26   years base camp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7646">TS</a>]

02:07:27   they didn't have base camp comm they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7647">TS</a>]

02:07:28   have it now but they just had basecamphq [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7648">TS</a>]

02:07:31   calm because he didn't yeah he didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7651">TS</a>]

02:07:33   you know somebody had base camp dot-com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7653">TS</a>]

02:07:35   and he didn't feel like paying their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7655">TS</a>]

02:07:36   exorbitant price he did eventually but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7656">TS</a>]

02:07:38   he was like screw it people just google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7658">TS</a>]

02:07:39   for base camp anyway right it is true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7659">TS</a>]

02:07:43   anyway I you've written about this like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7663">TS</a>]

02:07:48   so you don't um it's certainly not your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7668">TS</a>]

02:07:51   writing is not Apple focused it not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7671">TS</a>]

02:07:54   in a way that mine is but you certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7674">TS</a>]

02:07:55   do right enough about apples simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7675">TS</a>]

02:07:57   because if you write about tech in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7677">TS</a>]

02:07:58   general Apple is kind of a big company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7678">TS</a>]

02:08:01   and they kind of do enter a lot of tend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7681">TS</a>]

02:08:03   to do interesting things but you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7683">TS</a>]

02:08:04   spoken about this that when you write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7684">TS</a>]

02:08:06   articles or have like a column that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7686">TS</a>]

02:08:08   sort of critical of Apple you you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7688">TS</a>]

02:08:11   like on subscriptions sometimes it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7691">TS</a>]

02:08:13   yeah I don't want to hear it no way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7693">TS</a>]

02:08:16   that's always been the case I mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7696">TS</a>]

02:08:17   was so when I started I wrote a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7697">TS</a>]

02:08:19   probably even more about Apple in part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7699">TS</a>]

02:08:22   because that was the company I knew the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7702">TS</a>]

02:08:23   best like I've been following closely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7703">TS</a>]

02:08:24   I'd written like I'd written a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7704">TS</a>]

02:08:26   paper about them in school uh like in I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7706">TS</a>]

02:08:29   spent a lot of time trying to understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7709">TS</a>]

02:08:32   and think about what made them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7712">TS</a>]

02:08:33   successful and I was saying in turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7713">TS</a>]

02:08:34   there um it at a university would in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7714">TS</a>]

02:08:37   what God came to learn and understand so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7717">TS</a>]

02:08:40   much about sort of the inner workings it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7720">TS</a>]

02:08:42   was a fantastic experience and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7722">TS</a>]

02:08:43   especially when I started also it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7723">TS</a>]

02:08:45   when the whole Samsung is gonna is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7725">TS</a>]

02:08:48   disrupting Apple narrative was was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7728">TS</a>]

02:08:51   was in place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7731">TS</a>]

02:08:52   and so I got tons of articles saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7732">TS</a>]

02:08:54   this is dumb like India trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7734">TS</a>]

02:08:56   explain Apple and their differentiation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7736">TS</a>]

02:08:58   and back then it was controversial to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7738">TS</a>]

02:09:00   say that iOS it was not going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7740">TS</a>]

02:09:03   swamped by Android and developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7743">TS</a>]

02:09:04   working awfully on mass and all the sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7744">TS</a>]

02:09:06   of stuff like that was still a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7746">TS</a>]

02:09:07   back then yeah so I am an iPhone dead in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7747">TS</a>]

02:09:11   the water Henry Blodgett right right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7751">TS</a>]

02:09:13   and the biggest you know as I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7753">TS</a>]

02:09:16   recounted the sort of biggest event in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7756">TS</a>]

02:09:19   the early church every day's for gaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7759">TS</a>]

02:09:21   readership was you linking to me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7761">TS</a>]

02:09:22   saying you know this is a fantastic new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7762">TS</a>]

02:09:24   blog and you wink too much are a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7764">TS</a>]

02:09:26   of articles and as per kind of like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7766">TS</a>]

02:09:28   column this week like oh this is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7768">TS</a>]

02:09:30   blog the really good biloba but for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7770">TS</a>]

02:09:33   first time I disagree with mr. Thomson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7773">TS</a>]

02:09:34   that he like explained where explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7774">TS</a>]

02:09:36   where I was wrong um which but that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7776">TS</a>]

02:09:39   an outright disagreement though not this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7779">TS</a>]

02:09:41   time this time it's like I said it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7781">TS</a>]

02:09:42   subtle difference of of wait I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7782">TS</a>]

02:09:46   yeah and I actually I actually think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7786">TS</a>]

02:09:48   you're right in that case um and so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7788">TS</a>]

02:09:50   was definitely right back then I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7790">TS</a>]

02:09:53   just waited that's the I was just really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7793">TS</a>]

02:09:55   I was just waiting for you to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7795">TS</a>]

02:09:56   mistake and then I knew I could link to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7796">TS</a>]

02:09:58   you because then instead of just saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7798">TS</a>]

02:09:59   how great it was I could also point out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7799">TS</a>]

02:10:00   that you made an error and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7800">TS</a>]

02:10:02   thinking I was just a hit for it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7802">TS</a>]

02:10:05   the the lot of service always sort of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7805">TS</a>]

02:10:07   initial and then after that I got linked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7807">TS</a>]

02:10:09   to by Marco a couple times and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7809">TS</a>]

02:10:11   really started in the sort of Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7811">TS</a>]

02:10:13   blogosphere is where awareness of me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7813">TS</a>]

02:10:16   started to grow so a lot of my initial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7816">TS</a>]

02:10:18   followers were were in that in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7818">TS</a>]

02:10:22   arena so if that's forward like a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7822">TS</a>]

02:10:24   or something and I wrote something about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7824">TS</a>]

02:10:26   Apple and services and basically I was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7826">TS</a>]

02:10:29   this was a I said it was in a good point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7829">TS</a>]

02:10:32   it's a point that I brought up again and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7832">TS</a>]

02:10:34   again is how companies are sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7834">TS</a>]

02:10:35   shaped by their by their origin and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7835">TS</a>]

02:10:37   they're there and that influences the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7837">TS</a>]

02:10:41   culture and the way they approach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7841">TS</a>]

02:10:42   products for the entire life of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7842">TS</a>]

02:10:44   company and I gave talk about Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7844">TS</a>]

02:10:45   talked about Microsoft talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7845">TS</a>]

02:10:46   Apple talked about a bunch of examples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7846">TS</a>]

02:10:48   and this case I was make trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7848">TS</a>]

02:10:49   explain that Apple struggle with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7849">TS</a>]

02:10:53   services not because they're dumb but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7853">TS</a>]

02:10:55   because they're so great at products and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7855">TS</a>]

02:10:57   this is a point you know obviously I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7857">TS</a>]

02:10:58   returned to this point in the past like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7858">TS</a>]

02:11:00   to say that Apple strove the services is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7860">TS</a>]

02:11:02   not to criticize Apple or say they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7862">TS</a>]

02:11:04   dumb people it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7864">TS</a>]

02:11:06   in a recognition that the same things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7866">TS</a>]

02:11:08   that make Apple the best product company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7868">TS</a>]

02:11:11   an amazing product company work against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7871">TS</a>]

02:11:13   being a great services company right ETL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7873">TS</a>]

02:11:16   people didn't want to hear after people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7876">TS</a>]

02:11:18   did not want to hear it so I had just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7878">TS</a>]

02:11:20   started the daily update then and so my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7880">TS</a>]

02:11:23   you know my subscriber numbers were in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7883">TS</a>]

02:11:24   the you know I think at that point as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7884">TS</a>]

02:11:26   only a couple months in so maybe the low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7886">TS</a>]

02:11:27   hundreds and I got like 20 or 30 like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7887">TS</a>]

02:11:31   unsubscription like immediately people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7891">TS</a>]

02:11:33   were met and it was it was shocking like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7893">TS</a>]

02:11:36   I did not expect that to come at all um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7896">TS</a>]

02:11:38   it was good it was a good lesson to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7898">TS</a>]

02:11:40   learn like the people were cared more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7900">TS</a>]

02:11:43   about Apple than they did about me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7903">TS</a>]

02:11:45   that's fine I have no no problem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7905">TS</a>]

02:11:47   that and over time you know certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7907">TS</a>]

02:11:48   I've come to build up you know a user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7908">TS</a>]

02:11:52   base and when the great things why model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7912">TS</a>]

02:11:53   is it's ten dollars a month so if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7913">TS</a>]

02:11:54   want to quit it doesn't really affect me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7914">TS</a>]

02:11:55   my life in the slightest which is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7915">TS</a>]

02:11:58   but I actually love that about about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7918">TS</a>]

02:12:00   this model but yeah it's funny whenever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7920">TS</a>]

02:12:02   I write something that is not purely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7922">TS</a>]

02:12:06   optimistic about Apple there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7926">TS</a>]

02:12:07   definitely an uptick in people turning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7927">TS</a>]

02:12:10   off auto renewal and there are other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7930">TS</a>]

02:12:12   subscriptions I've seen it on sports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7932">TS</a>]

02:12:14   - like I follow some Yankees beat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7934">TS</a>]

02:12:16   writers on tweeter Twitter and every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7936">TS</a>]

02:12:19   once in a while they'll get an argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7939">TS</a>]

02:12:20   with people and there's a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7940">TS</a>]

02:12:21   certain flavor of Yankee fan who just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7941">TS</a>]

02:12:25   doesn't want to hear it that the Yankees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7945">TS</a>]

02:12:27   aren't the best team in baseball now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7947">TS</a>]

02:12:28   this year they actually are the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7948">TS</a>]

02:12:29   team in baseball but but like last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7949">TS</a>]

02:12:32   last couple of years the Yankees have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7952">TS</a>]

02:12:33   been kind of you know there haven't been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7953">TS</a>]

02:12:36   bad they haven't had a losing season but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7956">TS</a>]

02:12:37   there clearly were not going anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7957">TS</a>]

02:12:39   you know weren't going to win a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7959">TS</a>]

02:12:41   championship and any kind of sports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7961">TS</a>]

02:12:43   coverage along the lines of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7963">TS</a>]

02:12:45   it's not really a great strategy to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7965">TS</a>]

02:12:47   paying 27 million dollars to a 41 41 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7967">TS</a>]

02:12:50   year old Alex Rodriguez with a bad hip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7970">TS</a>]

02:12:53   and the Yankees fans like wow what well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7973">TS</a>]

02:12:55   how can you you know why do you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7975">TS</a>]

02:12:56   write about the Yankees if you hate them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7976">TS</a>]

02:12:57   so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7977">TS</a>]

02:12:58   right like unfollow and it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7978">TS</a>]

02:13:01   actually he's just sort of an expert on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7981">TS</a>]

02:13:03   baseball and he's pointing out something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7983">TS</a>]

02:13:04   that's actually pretty obvious which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7984">TS</a>]

02:13:06   that you know having old people on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7986">TS</a>]

02:13:09   team is not a good way to win it sports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7989">TS</a>]

02:13:11   yeah and I it's a great it's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7991">TS</a>]

02:13:13   thing for Apple it's one of Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7993">TS</a>]

02:13:14   really core strengths is the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7994">TS</a>]

02:13:19   devotion that Apple has fans right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/7999">TS</a>]

02:13:22   it's that's not a from a business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8002">TS</a>]

02:13:24   perspective I look I put my business a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8004">TS</a>]

02:13:25   nose hat on and I that's amazing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8005">TS</a>]

02:13:28   it's something that Apple uses as a tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8008">TS</a>]

02:13:31   as a strategic tool again and again like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8011">TS</a>]

02:13:34   they that's that's how the iPhone know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8014">TS</a>]

02:13:38   they would go into a country and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8018">TS</a>]

02:13:40   would dictate terms and deleting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8020">TS</a>]

02:13:43   carriers would say no and then they go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8023">TS</a>]

02:13:45   the second place carrier and often they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8025">TS</a>]

02:13:46   say no they go to third place carrier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8026">TS</a>]

02:13:48   who's desperate to catch up and say okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8028">TS</a>]

02:13:51   we accept your terms and then the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8031">TS</a>]

02:13:53   is on the carrier like Japan is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8033">TS</a>]

02:13:55   the classic example of this Softbank was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8035">TS</a>]

02:13:57   well in third place and the iPhone is on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8037">TS</a>]

02:14:00   Softbank and people started switching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8040">TS</a>]

02:14:04   their carriers which they never did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8044">TS</a>]

02:14:06   before to get the iPhone and by and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8046">TS</a>]

02:14:09   large particularly at the beginning they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8049">TS</a>]

02:14:11   were Apple fans who already loved Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8051">TS</a>]

02:14:13   loved Apple products desperately wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8053">TS</a>]

02:14:14   an iPhone and they switched this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8054">TS</a>]

02:14:16   happened the US was eight with AT&T same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8056">TS</a>]

02:14:17   thing and over time then Apple could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8057">TS</a>]

02:14:20   eventually now the iPhone is on all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8060">TS</a>]

02:14:23   carriers and it's on Apple's terms with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8063">TS</a>]

02:14:25   all of them and that's all because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8065">TS</a>]

02:14:27   the devotion that people have the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8067">TS</a>]

02:14:29   it's an amazing it's a it's an amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8069">TS</a>]

02:14:31   tool well uh what what a weird duck the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8071">TS</a>]

02:14:35   Verizon iPhone 4 was right it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8075">TS</a>]

02:14:38   that it's like the only sort of half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8078">TS</a>]

02:14:40   live phone that was ever made like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8080">TS</a>]

02:14:42   not just like when we'll get to this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8082">TS</a>]

02:14:43   a minute or two but not like oK we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8083">TS</a>]

02:14:45   made the pie from seven in red I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8085">TS</a>]

02:14:48   that's just a color it was available in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8088">TS</a>]

02:14:51   white though because remember the white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8091">TS</a>]

02:14:52   phone was super delayed yeah but when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8092">TS</a>]

02:14:55   the Verizon one shipped it the white one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8095">TS</a>]

02:14:56   still wasn't even out so like I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8096">TS</a>]

02:14:58   the Verizon won't shipped in early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8098">TS</a>]

02:15:00   February but it was weird it I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8100">TS</a>]

02:15:02   it was the same time yeah but we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8102">TS</a>]

02:15:04   like it was still weird yeah yeah it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8104">TS</a>]

02:15:05   like eight months later and had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8105">TS</a>]

02:15:07   different antenna you know had the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8107">TS</a>]

02:15:09   modern iPhone 4s antenna design not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8109">TS</a>]

02:15:12   the slightly problematic and tenha gate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8112">TS</a>]

02:15:15   one from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8115">TS</a>]

02:15:17   the GSM version anyway what a weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8117">TS</a>]

02:15:19   thing all right so let's do this yes so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8119">TS</a>]

02:15:25   the yeah so basically the overall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8125">TS</a>]

02:15:28   premise is that in China the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8128">TS</a>]

02:15:33   interface WeChat is so dominant that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8133">TS</a>]

02:15:37   reduces sort of the software lock-in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8137">TS</a>]

02:15:40   that an iPhone has which makes it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8140">TS</a>]

02:15:43   viable to switch a very sort of high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8143">TS</a>]

02:15:46   level that's it and I would just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8146">TS</a>]

02:15:48   tap down one level which means when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8148">TS</a>]

02:15:51   talk about the the walk-in it's not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8151">TS</a>]

02:15:53   a walk-in in in that there's no iMessage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8153">TS</a>]

02:15:55   or that apps are available in both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8155">TS</a>]

02:15:57   platforms which is the case I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8157">TS</a>]

02:15:58   there's no app that's why I use in China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8158">TS</a>]

02:16:00   that's not available on Android like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8160">TS</a>]

02:16:02   it's not really an iOS first sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8162">TS</a>]

02:16:04   environment the way it is in the US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8164">TS</a>]

02:16:07   we're even still there'll be hot new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8167">TS</a>]

02:16:09   apps that are there iOS only to start so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8169">TS</a>]

02:16:11   that's not so that's part of it but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8171">TS</a>]

02:16:13   it's not just the apps it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8173">TS</a>]

02:16:15   interaction it's the user interface when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8175">TS</a>]

02:16:18   you're in one app all the time you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8178">TS</a>]

02:16:20   using that app and that's the dominant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8180">TS</a>]

02:16:23   way that you experience your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8183">TS</a>]

02:16:24   whereas in the u.s. yes we may use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8184">TS</a>]

02:16:27   Facebook and uber and and PayPal or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8187">TS</a>]

02:16:32   Square cash or whatever it might be that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8192">TS</a>]

02:16:34   are all analogs for WeChat functions but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8194">TS</a>]

02:16:37   every time you switch an app every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8197">TS</a>]

02:16:39   use the app switcher every time you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8199">TS</a>]

02:16:40   back to the home screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8200">TS</a>]

02:16:41   that's all interact with the operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8201">TS</a>]

02:16:43   system your interact with the operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8203">TS</a>]

02:16:44   system constantly on and Ayana and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8204">TS</a>]

02:16:48   China you're not really interacting with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8208">TS</a>]

02:16:52   the operating system at all so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8212">TS</a>]

02:16:53   no even the little niggling things about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8213">TS</a>]

02:16:56   moving stuff around is is reduced and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8216">TS</a>]

02:17:01   the lock-in is not just about a actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8221">TS</a>]

02:17:04   like on paper locking it's like in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8224">TS</a>]

02:17:06   user experience lock-in is less as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8226">TS</a>]

02:17:09   it almost sounds to me like it's used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8229">TS</a>]

02:17:11   for so much that it's actually a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8231">TS</a>]

02:17:13   that iOS doesn't let you define you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8233">TS</a>]

02:17:18   like like they don't show the icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8238">TS</a>]

02:17:21   anymore but you know how like from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8241">TS</a>]

02:17:22   lockscreen you can jump right to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8242">TS</a>]

02:17:23   camera by swiping to the side and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8243">TS</a>]

02:17:25   they first introduced that feature they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8245">TS</a>]

02:17:27   had a little camera icon in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8247">TS</a>]

02:17:28   corner right yell and you could like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8248">TS</a>]

02:17:30   think used to drag up instead of drag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8250">TS</a>]

02:17:32   over um like they've changed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8252">TS</a>]

02:17:34   interaction but the idea is here's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8254">TS</a>]

02:17:37   app that's so important and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8257">TS</a>]

02:17:40   obviously cameras a little different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8260">TS</a>]

02:17:41   than we chat because camera it might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8261">TS</a>]

02:17:42   a fleeting moment you're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8262">TS</a>]

02:17:44   capture so the being able to get there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8264">TS</a>]

02:17:45   quick it's not just that you use it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8265">TS</a>]

02:17:46   lot but that getting there quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8266">TS</a>]

02:17:48   from a locked phone can be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8268">TS</a>]

02:17:50   difference between getting the shot not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8270">TS</a>]

02:17:52   getting the shot um but iOS doesn't let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8272">TS</a>]

02:17:55   you do things like say let me put WeChat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8275">TS</a>]

02:17:58   on my lock screen so I can jump right to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8278">TS</a>]

02:18:01   we chat from a locked phone right away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8281">TS</a>]

02:18:04   like you did none of that's configurable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8284">TS</a>]

02:18:06   and it sounds to me like we chat is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8286">TS</a>]

02:18:07   central into the experience in China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8287">TS</a>]

02:18:09   that the iPhone would be a better OS if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8289">TS</a>]

02:18:12   you could yeah well it's not it in many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8292">TS</a>]

02:18:16   respects all the all the sort of lock in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8296">TS</a>]

02:18:18   things on an iPhone that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8298">TS</a>]

02:18:20   occasionally mild irritants uh you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8300">TS</a>]

02:18:23   here but by and large the iPhone like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8303">TS</a>]

02:18:25   the Apple's built-in stuff is usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8305">TS</a>]

02:18:27   good enough that it's it's fine like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8307">TS</a>]

02:18:29   know you can't switch the default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8309">TS</a>]

02:18:30   browser you can switch the default email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8310">TS</a>]

02:18:31   client or all sorts that little stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8311">TS</a>]

02:18:34   that that can be kind of irritating if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8314">TS</a>]

02:18:35   you care but at the end of the day it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8315">TS</a>]

02:18:37   not that big a deal in China it's much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8317">TS</a>]

02:18:39   more of it's much more of an irritant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8319">TS</a>]

02:18:41   like any member Android there is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8321">TS</a>]

02:18:43   completely it's not Google Android it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8323">TS</a>]

02:18:46   all it they're all like Chinese variants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8326">TS</a>]

02:18:49   and and a lot of them are offer much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8329">TS</a>]

02:18:52   more sort of flexibility Zi and Whittle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8332">TS</a>]

02:18:56   you know they just use phones kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8336">TS</a>]

02:18:59   differently than we do here and so in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8339">TS</a>]

02:19:00   some respects and iPhone is not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8340">TS</a>]

02:19:02   it's not just that because you're most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8342">TS</a>]

02:19:04   using WeChat the experience is mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8344">TS</a>]

02:19:06   the same in some respects it's arguably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8346">TS</a>]

02:19:09   actually worse in a way that it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8349">TS</a>]

02:19:11   you know in other parts of the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8351">TS</a>]

02:19:12   yeah then that's that is terrible for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8352">TS</a>]

02:19:16   Apple and so let's just say this before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8356">TS</a>]

02:19:18   we get into speculation or analysts but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8358">TS</a>]

02:19:21   it's just a fact it's a statement of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8361">TS</a>]

02:19:23   fact that iPhone sales in China are down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8363">TS</a>]

02:19:25   year over year I think in the just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8365">TS</a>]

02:19:27   completed quarter they were down 14% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8367">TS</a>]

02:19:30   yeah in the second year in a row they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8370">TS</a>]

02:19:33   were down even more last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8373">TS</a>]

02:19:34   two years in a row and until then there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8374">TS</a>]

02:19:37   were the the it was it it was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8377">TS</a>]

02:19:41   increase it's it's sharp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8381">TS</a>]

02:19:42   different it's almost like a v-shaped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8382">TS</a>]

02:19:43   curve I think it's fair to say where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8383">TS</a>]

02:19:46   was it was rising very quickly you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8386">TS</a>]

02:19:48   over a year and then all of a sudden now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8388">TS</a>]

02:19:50   it's dropping your veer wasn't like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8390">TS</a>]

02:19:51   was off for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8391">TS</a>]

02:19:53   there's no plateau really I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8393">TS</a>]

02:19:55   and so why I mean it's a fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8395">TS</a>]

02:19:58   iPhone sales are down it is also we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8398">TS</a>]

02:20:01   can't say it's a fact but there's least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8401">TS</a>]

02:20:03   to market research studies like you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8403">TS</a>]

02:20:06   found one that was written in Chinese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8406">TS</a>]

02:20:08   and then there's another one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8408">TS</a>]

02:20:09   Business Insider linked up last year I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8409">TS</a>]

02:20:12   forget who some us analyst firm but both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8412">TS</a>]

02:20:15   of them found roughly the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8415">TS</a>]

02:20:16   which is that um in 2016 in China iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8416">TS</a>]

02:20:21   users people who already owned an iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8421">TS</a>]

02:20:23   and they if they bought a new smartphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8423">TS</a>]

02:20:25   only about 50 to 55 percent of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8425">TS</a>]

02:20:28   bought another iPhone and in the rest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8428">TS</a>]

02:20:31   the world that number ranges from around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8431">TS</a>]

02:20:34   there like the mid 70s in Japan to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8434">TS</a>]

02:20:36   mid 80s in the US and UK and the high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8436">TS</a>]

02:20:38   80s in Germany and so we can't say it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8438">TS</a>]

02:20:43   a fact that 50 percent of Chinese iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8443">TS</a>]

02:20:46   users bought an Android phone last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8446">TS</a>]

02:20:48   but we can say it's a fact that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8448">TS</a>]

02:20:49   market research studies that seem pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8449">TS</a>]

02:20:51   well rigorously performed to me say so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8451">TS</a>]

02:20:54   right and it's shown in Apple's numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8454">TS</a>]

02:20:57   - I mean there's there several there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8457">TS</a>]

02:20:59   several data points to triangulate on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8459">TS</a>]

02:21:01   here right in it that in that that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8461">TS</a>]

02:21:03   like that's a stunning difference like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8463">TS</a>]

02:21:05   it's not like it's one it's not small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8465">TS</a>]

02:21:07   but - I mean one of the real points that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8467">TS</a>]

02:21:11   I talked about going back to those Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8471">TS</a>]

02:21:13   arguments you know back when I first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8473">TS</a>]

02:21:14   started checker II like one of the core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8474">TS</a>]

02:21:16   things that was critical to understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8476">TS</a>]

02:21:18   with the iPhone is that iPhone users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8478">TS</a>]

02:21:19   bought new iPhones and Android users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8479">TS</a>]

02:21:22   often changed and if you just play that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8482">TS</a>]

02:21:25   out in the long run in a saturated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8485">TS</a>]

02:21:27   market that's actually the Apple's favor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8487">TS</a>]

02:21:29   because they're going to keep their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8489">TS</a>]

02:21:30   users and they're just going to slowly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8490">TS</a>]

02:21:32   keep adding other ones and that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8492">TS</a>]

02:21:34   is actually happening what's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8494">TS</a>]

02:21:35   interesting about this this core the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8495">TS</a>]

02:21:38   iPhone 7 both this quarter and last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8498">TS</a>]

02:21:40   quarter is that if you exclude China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8500">TS</a>]

02:21:42   it's a smashing success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8502">TS</a>]

02:21:43   yeah like it is still growing and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8503">TS</a>]

02:21:46   growing nicely and it's growing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8506">TS</a>]

02:21:48   quote-unquote saturated markets and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8508">TS</a>]

02:21:50   is exactly in this is something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8510">TS</a>]

02:21:52   I've been I've been writing since way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8512">TS</a>]

02:21:54   back when that actually a saturated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8514">TS</a>]

02:21:55   market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8515">TS</a>]

02:21:56   is going to be good for Apple because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8516">TS</a>]

02:21:58   this you know if you just pull out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8518">TS</a>]

02:22:00   math and Tim Cook has made that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8520">TS</a>]

02:22:02   but it's more compelling from you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8522">TS</a>]

02:22:04   because he is to draw about her well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8524">TS</a>]

02:22:07   yeah you and I were chatting about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8527">TS</a>]

02:22:09   and you you completely convinced me you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8529">TS</a>]

02:22:11   you you you made me rethink my take on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8531">TS</a>]

02:22:14   apples just complete a quarter that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8534">TS</a>]

02:22:17   actually pretty good except that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8537">TS</a>]

02:22:19   really stinky in China right and in it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8539">TS</a>]

02:22:23   good in a it's good in an understandable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8543">TS</a>]

02:22:25   predictable way right it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8545">TS</a>]

02:22:27   these these growing numbers like wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8547">TS</a>]

02:22:29   look at Apple growing no if you actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8549">TS</a>]

02:22:31   think through and you you've talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8551">TS</a>]

02:22:33   about it before why advertising would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8553">TS</a>]

02:22:35   compelling on mobile because mobile is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8555">TS</a>]

02:22:36   so important to your life well if mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8556">TS</a>]

02:22:38   is so important to your life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8558">TS</a>]

02:22:40   that means of all the objects even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8560">TS</a>]

02:22:42   you have to save money or cut costs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8562">TS</a>]

02:22:43   what's the one object you're actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8563">TS</a>]

02:22:46   going to splurge on all right probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8566">TS</a>]

02:22:48   the object that's the single most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8568">TS</a>]

02:22:49   important object in your life right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8569">TS</a>]

02:22:51   that's the iPhone that's Apple and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8571">TS</a>]

02:22:53   iMessage thing and having blue bubbles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8573">TS</a>]

02:22:55   in the status that confers to it and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8575">TS</a>]

02:22:57   fact people use it all the time and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8577">TS</a>]

02:22:58   all that stuff like there's just really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8578">TS</a>]

02:23:01   no reason to why would you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8581">TS</a>]

02:23:04   switch and whereas there are reasons to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8584">TS</a>]

02:23:07   go in the other direction and this has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8587">TS</a>]

02:23:08   always been the problem of being an om [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8588">TS</a>]

02:23:10   whether it be a Windows OEM that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8590">TS</a>]

02:23:12   talked about before like HP and think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8592">TS</a>]

02:23:13   pattern you know what's the difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8593">TS</a>]

02:23:15   same thing with Android like at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8595">TS</a>]

02:23:17   the day what's really the difference yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8597">TS</a>]

02:23:18   Samsung is doing some innovative stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8598">TS</a>]

02:23:20   with hardware but that's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8600">TS</a>]

02:23:22   sustainable that's not a sustainable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8602">TS</a>]

02:23:23   advantage and uh whereas Apple's has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8603">TS</a>]

02:23:27   always had the software part and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8607">TS</a>]

02:23:28   so critical I think that's a you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8608">TS</a>]

02:23:32   worth underlining again just how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8612">TS</a>]

02:23:35   interesting that observation is and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8615">TS</a>]

02:23:36   convinced that it's true but if you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8616">TS</a>]

02:23:39   back six seven the last five six seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8619">TS</a>]

02:23:42   years I think that the and and going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8622">TS</a>]

02:23:46   the error you were talking about where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8626">TS</a>]

02:23:48   the the the narrative was that Samsung [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8628">TS</a>]

02:23:51   is coming to eat apples lunch because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8631">TS</a>]

02:23:53   some combination of you can't stay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8633">TS</a>]

02:23:57   differentiated forever and the majority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8637">TS</a>]

02:24:00   oh we saw what happened the last time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8640">TS</a>]

02:24:02   with Windows and Mac the majority OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8642">TS</a>]

02:24:04   eventually eats the other one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8644">TS</a>]

02:24:08   I think part of that narrative at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8648">TS</a>]

02:24:09   time too though was that the go-go years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8649">TS</a>]

02:24:12   were all about expanding to new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8652">TS</a>]

02:24:15   countries and in the rural countries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8655">TS</a>]

02:24:17   expanding the new carriers like being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8657">TS</a>]

02:24:20   exclusive on AT&T for four years and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8660">TS</a>]

02:24:23   all of a sudden you've got Verizon and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8663">TS</a>]

02:24:25   in a year later you had Sprint and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8665">TS</a>]

02:24:26   t-mobile and you know and obviously that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8666">TS</a>]

02:24:29   was the Go Go the true gogo years of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8669">TS</a>]

02:24:31   iPhone were based on that and but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8671">TS</a>]

02:24:33   narrative was well that's over now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8673">TS</a>]

02:24:35   it's a the markets are getting saturated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8675">TS</a>]

02:24:37   and that dooms the iPhone I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8677">TS</a>]

02:24:40   you have a really compelling case that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8680">TS</a>]

02:24:41   the saturated markets are actually good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8681">TS</a>]

02:24:43   for the iPhone right then they'll the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8683">TS</a>]

02:24:46   only real danger that the iPhone faces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8686">TS</a>]

02:24:48   in most of the world is people holding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8688">TS</a>]

02:24:50   on to their iPhones longer like no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8690">TS</a>]

02:24:52   like no one again outside China is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8692">TS</a>]

02:24:54   really switching away it's just the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8694">TS</a>]

02:24:57   phones are so good now that you can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8697">TS</a>]

02:24:59   a phone for four four to three years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8699">TS</a>]

02:25:01   whereas maybe before like the difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8701">TS</a>]

02:25:04   in year to year the difference every two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8704">TS</a>]

02:25:05   years was so huge I mean I'm never going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8705">TS</a>]

02:25:07   from like I actually you know sighs you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8707">TS</a>]

02:25:09   know I was reported back when I was poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8709">TS</a>]

02:25:12   and a student I only got a phone every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8712">TS</a>]

02:25:15   two years so I got the 3G and then I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8715">TS</a>]

02:25:17   the UM not the 3GS because when I came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8717">TS</a>]

02:25:20   back over from the states [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8720">TS</a>]

02:25:21   and then and ipod touch before then and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8721">TS</a>]

02:25:25   then I got the skip to for and I got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8725">TS</a>]

02:25:28   4s I've been going from the 3GS to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8728">TS</a>]

02:25:30   4s it was such an unbelievable leap in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8730">TS</a>]

02:25:33   every single aspect of the phone the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8733">TS</a>]

02:25:35   form factor was so superior you had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8735">TS</a>]

02:25:38   Retina screen it was a million times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8738">TS</a>]

02:25:40   faster like just it was amazing whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8740">TS</a>]

02:25:43   going from a six to a seven it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8743">TS</a>]

02:25:46   definitely faster you feel that uh in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8746">TS</a>]

02:25:48   going back in the button feels weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8748">TS</a>]

02:25:51   it's like that but at the end of the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8751">TS</a>]

02:25:53   could i it just the the delta from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8753">TS</a>]

02:25:57   way it's experienced is much smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8757">TS</a>]

02:25:58   than is and this is the case for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8758">TS</a>]

02:25:59   technology it's always the case that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8759">TS</a>]

02:26:01   get kind of decreasing returns but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8761">TS</a>]

02:26:04   not going to switch away yeah the three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8764">TS</a>]

02:26:07   I think that the the 4s was right around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8767">TS</a>]

02:26:09   the time to where I phone was arguably a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8769">TS</a>]

02:26:14   reasonable point and shoot camera in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8774">TS</a>]

02:26:16   of itself whereas the 3GS of is still a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8776">TS</a>]

02:26:18   cell phone camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8778">TS</a>]

02:26:20   yep leggo it's it's been so long now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8780">TS</a>]

02:26:22   people take so many pictures on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8782">TS</a>]

02:26:24   phones that it's hard to imagine that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8784">TS</a>]

02:26:26   like in the early years of the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8786">TS</a>]

02:26:27   cellphone cameras were took like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8787">TS</a>]

02:26:30   second a totally it was almost like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8790">TS</a>]

02:26:32   different medium than I've done a camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8792">TS</a>]

02:26:34   photo you know it was no Instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8794">TS</a>]

02:26:36   that's not part of all Instagram but off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8796">TS</a>]

02:26:37   the ground because your 3G I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8797">TS</a>]

02:26:39   came out with a 3GS in or right around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8799">TS</a>]

02:26:41   that and your phones were so bad that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8801">TS</a>]

02:26:43   the filters were just a cool effect they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8803">TS</a>]

02:26:45   actually made a mic passable right they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8805">TS</a>]

02:26:47   disguised the the lack of optical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8807">TS</a>]

02:26:50   quality in the originals you know right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8810">TS</a>]

02:26:52   right it was true it was also true too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8812">TS</a>]

02:26:58   like in the early years of Instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8818">TS</a>]

02:27:00   like when people were shooting on 3GS or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8820">TS</a>]

02:27:02   iPhone 4 or something where people would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8822">TS</a>]

02:27:04   say like hashtag no filter because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8824">TS</a>]

02:27:06   was hard to believe if you got a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8826">TS</a>]

02:27:08   photo effect like like seriously I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8828">TS</a>]

02:27:11   not use a photo people be like oh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8831">TS</a>]

02:27:13   know a filter doesn't feel like yes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8833">TS</a>]

02:27:14   did this looks too good no I swear to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8834">TS</a>]

02:27:16   God the light was nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8836">TS</a>]

02:27:18   so anyway bottom line something is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8838">TS</a>]

02:27:20   different for the iPhone in China and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8840">TS</a>]

02:27:22   is not good for Apple and especially if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8842">TS</a>]

02:27:26   I'm I accepted I accept that the what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8846">TS</a>]

02:27:29   that what's it called the rate that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8849">TS</a>]

02:27:31   people rebuy the same product iPhone all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8851">TS</a>]

02:27:36   I a new iPhone what's it called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8856">TS</a>]

02:27:38   retention yeah the retention rate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8858">TS</a>]

02:27:40   retention rate is significantly lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8860">TS</a>]

02:27:43   and again it's not catastrophic it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8863">TS</a>]

02:27:45   know 50 to 55 percent most most it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8865">TS</a>]

02:27:48   still the best of any OEM in China most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8868">TS</a>]

02:27:50   I glanced pretty significant margin most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8870">TS</a>]

02:27:52   OEMs would kill for that rate but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8872">TS</a>]

02:27:54   that's not good for Apple so something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8874">TS</a>]

02:27:57   is different and you and I are in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8877">TS</a>]

02:27:59   complete agreement that we chat is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8879">TS</a>]

02:28:01   obviously the biggest part of that I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8881">TS</a>]

02:28:04   think that you can't prove it but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8884">TS</a>]

02:28:07   just seems it I can't imagine what else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8887">TS</a>]

02:28:11   would be yeah and what I think it's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8891">TS</a>]

02:28:13   to really understand is merely because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8893">TS</a>]

02:28:16   the analogy would be like a Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8896">TS</a>]

02:28:17   will face you know Facebook spin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8897">TS</a>]

02:28:19   people's and tons of time on that biloba [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8899">TS</a>]

02:28:20   but the extent to which you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8900">TS</a>]

02:28:22   Facebook and apps like that are dominant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8902">TS</a>]

02:28:25   in kind of leisure time and downtime and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8905">TS</a>]

02:28:27   what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8907">TS</a>]

02:28:29   WeChat is dominant in all times and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8909">TS</a>]

02:28:32   not just and the other big thing it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8912">TS</a>]

02:28:34   not just on device times so yes they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8914">TS</a>]

02:28:36   dominant in your social interactions or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8916">TS</a>]

02:28:39   dominant in news they're dominant in you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8919">TS</a>]

02:28:41   know watching all sorts of things you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8921">TS</a>]

02:28:43   the MBA is on $0.10 um you like so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8923">TS</a>]

02:28:46   they're they're dominant as far as on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8926">TS</a>]

02:28:48   device things but the degree to which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8928">TS</a>]

02:28:50   you use your phone for the real world is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8930">TS</a>]

02:28:52   far more extensive in China than it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8932">TS</a>]

02:28:54   in the US I mean the China is way ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8934">TS</a>]

02:28:56   in this sort of they called oto online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8936">TS</a>]

02:28:58   to offline this whole arena is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8938">TS</a>]

02:29:00   bigger much more well developed in China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8940">TS</a>]

02:29:02   so you're using your phone constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8942">TS</a>]

02:29:04   throughout the day to interact with us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8944">TS</a>]

02:29:06   in it's all via WeChat so you're really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8946">TS</a>]

02:29:08   living this app I mean I mean government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8948">TS</a>]

02:29:11   interactions are through through this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8951">TS</a>]

02:29:12   like not not just getting cars paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8952">TS</a>]

02:29:13   for food paying for goods uh you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8953">TS</a>]

02:29:16   you see there's QR codes everywhere like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8956">TS</a>]

02:29:18   the whole thing runs on QR codes and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8958">TS</a>]

02:29:19   you know what's the promised QR codes is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8959">TS</a>]

02:29:21   you don't know where the what actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8961">TS</a>]

02:29:23   use to snap the QR code well there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8963">TS</a>]

02:29:25   question about which app to use there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8965">TS</a>]

02:29:27   and so the pervasiveness of WeChat in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8967">TS</a>]

02:29:30   just your interaction is is there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8970">TS</a>]

02:29:33   app there's really is nothing in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8973">TS</a>]

02:29:36   outside of China that is comparable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8976">TS</a>]

02:29:37   and and that's why that's good for Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8977">TS</a>]

02:29:41   because it's not it's Facebook it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8981">TS</a>]

02:29:43   isn't the same right like you said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8983">TS</a>]

02:29:45   like it's like you go out to lunch with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8985">TS</a>]

02:29:48   your colleagues and you know go to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8988">TS</a>]

02:29:50   a counter service place and get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8990">TS</a>]

02:29:51   something and you know like if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8991">TS</a>]

02:29:53   paying with cash you look instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8993">TS</a>]

02:29:54   taking out your phone to pay with WeChat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8994">TS</a>]

02:29:56   you look like you're you know like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8996">TS</a>]

02:29:58   trying to be a hipster or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/8998">TS</a>]

02:30:00   right yeah I don't want to overstate it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9000">TS</a>]

02:30:02   because it's still I mean that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9002">TS</a>]

02:30:03   more the case in specific areas like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9003">TS</a>]

02:30:05   Beijing and Shanghai and some of the and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9005">TS</a>]

02:30:08   whereas you know there's lots of parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9008">TS</a>]

02:30:09   trying to reach still use cash a lot in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9009">TS</a>]

02:30:10   in the big cities as well but the trend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9010">TS</a>]

02:30:13   is like super strong and it's not in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9013">TS</a>]

02:30:15   it's in surprising places right you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9015">TS</a>]

02:30:17   go to like markets in like the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9017">TS</a>]

02:30:19   lady we have we have a phone I mean like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9019">TS</a>]

02:30:20   there's no x-square sort of thing just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9020">TS</a>]

02:30:22   it's all via it's all via $0.10 and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9022">TS</a>]

02:30:24   gets into a point I made earlier like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9024">TS</a>]

02:30:26   the user experience is not just about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9026">TS</a>]

02:30:28   the user interface like the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9028">TS</a>]

02:30:29   interface like Apple pays is superior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9029">TS</a>]

02:30:31   like to make an outfit purchase is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9031">TS</a>]

02:30:33   elegant right you just hold it up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9033">TS</a>]

02:30:34   put your thumb on it's amazing but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9034">TS</a>]

02:30:37   when you consider the totality of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9037">TS</a>]

02:30:40   where you have to figure out oh do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9040">TS</a>]

02:30:42   accept Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9042">TS</a>]

02:30:43   you have to like be awkward and ask and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9043">TS</a>]

02:30:44   look around and they have to bring it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9044">TS</a>]

02:30:46   with the user whereas the yeah may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9046">TS</a>]

02:30:49   more clumsy have to open an app and get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9049">TS</a>]

02:30:51   a get a QR code to show but if that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9051">TS</a>]

02:30:54   the expectation and everyone does it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9054">TS</a>]

02:30:57   everyone is equipped for it then yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9057">TS</a>]

02:30:59   that specific aspect of the UI is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9059">TS</a>]

02:31:02   inferior but the totality of the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9062">TS</a>]

02:31:04   experience is far far superior than then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9064">TS</a>]

02:31:07   another solution I was at the liquor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9067">TS</a>]

02:31:11   store today and I paid with Apple pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9071">TS</a>]

02:31:14   they're usually because they have a chip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9074">TS</a>]

02:31:15   reader and it's it's so much it's worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9075">TS</a>]

02:31:18   than it used to be with a credit card so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9078">TS</a>]

02:31:19   they made out of cards worse and slower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9079">TS</a>]

02:31:21   and Apple pay is fast and it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9081">TS</a>]

02:31:24   it's my neighborhood liquor store and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9084">TS</a>]

02:31:26   know that Apple pay works there and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9086">TS</a>]

02:31:28   guy was like a crotchety old guy I won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9088">TS</a>]

02:31:30   go into there long rant about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9090">TS</a>]

02:31:31   Pennsylvania liquor stores being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9091">TS</a>]

02:31:32   government owned and operated but he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9092">TS</a>]

02:31:35   a total government employee and he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9095">TS</a>]

02:31:38   how do you know I gonna pay cash or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9098">TS</a>]

02:31:39   credit and I said I'll pay Apple pay and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9099">TS</a>]

02:31:41   he goes oh he can't do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9101">TS</a>]

02:31:43   and admit like the terminal was broken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9103">TS</a>]

02:31:46   and I looked at instance and saying he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9106">TS</a>]

02:31:47   goes we don't accept that and I said yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9107">TS</a>]

02:31:49   you do actually you do I was like I pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9109">TS</a>]

02:31:51   with it here in this store all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9111">TS</a>]

02:31:52   and he goes no you don't it goes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9112">TS</a>]

02:31:55   state the state won't the state won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9115">TS</a>]

02:31:57   and I was like I'm telling you I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9117">TS</a>]

02:31:58   just in here yesterday and and bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9118">TS</a>]

02:32:01   something and uh it and I just thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9121">TS</a>]

02:32:07   you know what I'm not gonna I am NOT why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9127">TS</a>]

02:32:09   am i arguing this as I got pay credit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9129">TS</a>]

02:32:12   that's funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9132">TS</a>]

02:32:13   they should want to pay credit and hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9133">TS</a>]

02:32:15   up your phone in and stealthily pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9135">TS</a>]

02:32:17   anyway cuz I know that that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9137">TS</a>]

02:32:18   actually happen yeah but oh the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9138">TS</a>]

02:32:21   thing the other the other point to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9141">TS</a>]

02:32:23   about this oh sorry the analogy we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9143">TS</a>]

02:32:25   talked a little bit about Microsoft so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9145">TS</a>]

02:32:27   enjoy that I just told a story that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9147">TS</a>]

02:32:29   makes it sound as though I run out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9149">TS</a>]

02:32:31   liquor day I don't well I I doubted that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9151">TS</a>]

02:32:33   but I just gotta let it stand but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9153">TS</a>]

02:32:35   totally do so he said I was there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9155">TS</a>]

02:32:36   yesterday it actually it's true that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9156">TS</a>]

02:32:38   was there day before but it wasn't so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9158">TS</a>]

02:32:40   much that I drank myself out of liquor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9160">TS</a>]

02:32:42   in a day but that I'm a very poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9162">TS</a>]

02:32:44   planner in terms of knowing what else I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9164">TS</a>]

02:32:47   might be running low on but anyway yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9167">TS</a>]

02:32:50   uh-oh the point to make about this uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9170">TS</a>]

02:32:53   about how we chat does so many things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9173">TS</a>]

02:32:55   whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9175">TS</a>]

02:32:56   Facebook only does some things is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9176">TS</a>]

02:33:00   happened back in the day when Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9180">TS</a>]

02:33:02   was dominant like we used lots of apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9182">TS</a>]

02:33:05   and those apps were actually what we use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9185">TS</a>]

02:33:07   the computer for but the reason why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9187">TS</a>]

02:33:09   Microsoft got all the value and was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9189">TS</a>]

02:33:11   most valuable them all is they were sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9191">TS</a>]

02:33:13   of the common the commonality right they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9193">TS</a>]

02:33:16   all ran on Windows and so it was sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9196">TS</a>]

02:33:18   by having lots of disparate apps that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9198">TS</a>]

02:33:20   Windows itself got all the value and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9200">TS</a>]

02:33:23   same thing with with the iPhone there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9203">TS</a>]

02:33:25   yeah there's we actually use apps we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9205">TS</a>]

02:33:27   don't use the iPhone we spend more time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9207">TS</a>]

02:33:29   inside Facebook inside whatever it might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9209">TS</a>]

02:33:31   be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9211">TS</a>]

02:33:31   but they're all running on the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9211">TS</a>]

02:33:34   and we use enough different ones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9214">TS</a>]

02:33:36   where's the winch pin where is the sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9216">TS</a>]

02:33:38   of you know the the squeeze is is at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9218">TS</a>]

02:33:40   OS level all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9220">TS</a>]

02:33:42   what made what what ended Microsoft's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9222">TS</a>]

02:33:45   dominance it was was and why Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9225">TS</a>]

02:33:48   became dominant because is because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9228">TS</a>]

02:33:51   web there was so many websites and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9231">TS</a>]

02:33:54   became the common what became the winch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9234">TS</a>]

02:33:56   point it was Google it was the search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9236">TS</a>]

02:33:57   box right and when everything would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9237">TS</a>]

02:34:02   guys sort of a one-to-one relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9242">TS</a>]

02:34:03   where all between Google using Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9243">TS</a>]

02:34:06   and the computer ran on the value in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9246">TS</a>]

02:34:09   sort of the value chain kind of went up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9249">TS</a>]

02:34:11   to stack it where to the new platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9251">TS</a>]

02:34:13   where all the sites sort of sat on top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9253">TS</a>]

02:34:15   of it right so it went up as long it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9255">TS</a>]

02:34:18   the analogy the phone is as long as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9258">TS</a>]

02:34:20   you're using multiple apps and multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9260">TS</a>]

02:34:22   apps are important to your day then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9262">TS</a>]

02:34:24   actual value the point of leverage is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9264">TS</a>]

02:34:26   the OS but once everything consolidates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9266">TS</a>]

02:34:30   into one app then that point of leverage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9270">TS</a>]

02:34:32   skips up a level and that that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9272">TS</a>]

02:34:35   case in China and it's not the case in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9275">TS</a>]

02:34:37   in other places if that makes sense you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9277">TS</a>]

02:34:39   have to have an app that does everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9279">TS</a>]

02:34:40   if it only did some things it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9280">TS</a>]

02:34:43   going to it's not going to steal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9283">TS</a>]

02:34:44   leverage in a similar way in it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9284">TS</a>]

02:34:49   Apple's decades old you know almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9289">TS</a>]

02:34:51   foundational you know literally I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9291">TS</a>]

02:34:55   like it software wasn't quite as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9295">TS</a>]

02:34:57   important in the Apple 2 days or Apple 1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9297">TS</a>]

02:35:00   days even as it is today but you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9300">TS</a>]

02:35:04   was the marriage of hardware and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9304">TS</a>]

02:35:06   software that made Apple products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9306">TS</a>]

02:35:08   what you know different right from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9308">TS</a>]

02:35:11   get-go I mean and again like I mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9311">TS</a>]

02:35:12   in my thing writing about your thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9312">TS</a>]

02:35:14   that was it's Steve Wozniak's is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9314">TS</a>]

02:35:17   venerated and mostly thought of as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9317">TS</a>]

02:35:19   engineer hardware engineer because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9319">TS</a>]

02:35:21   that's what he was an electrical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9321">TS</a>]

02:35:22   engineer but he was the software genius [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9322">TS</a>]

02:35:24   too I mean he he never written a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9324">TS</a>]

02:35:26   compiler in his life and he he made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9326">TS</a>]

02:35:28   Apple basic he put the Apple Beit he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9328">TS</a>]

02:35:31   completely created Apple basic from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9331">TS</a>]

02:35:33   scratch yeah it's incredible put it in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9333">TS</a>]

02:35:35   rock like he didn't eat like borrowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9335">TS</a>]

02:35:39   somebody's like his neighbor's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9339">TS</a>]

02:35:41   neighborhood HP in a cubicle borrowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9341">TS</a>]

02:35:44   like a compiler book couldn't taught [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9344">TS</a>]

02:35:47   himself to write a compiler in ROM I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9347">TS</a>]

02:35:49   mean he was this software genius it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9349">TS</a>]

02:35:52   a great basic it was a great version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9352">TS</a>]

02:35:54   basic and it was right there as soon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9354">TS</a>]

02:35:56   you turn the machine on in that formula [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9356">TS</a>]

02:36:00   of hardware differentiated by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9360">TS</a>]

02:36:03   proprietary software if the software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9363">TS</a>]

02:36:05   side is way more important to Apple in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9365">TS</a>]

02:36:07   long term than the hardware side right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9367">TS</a>]

02:36:10   there's just is how they monetize it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9370">TS</a>]

02:36:11   it's it's a it's a money vehicle all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9371">TS</a>]

02:36:14   right and that's people focus on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9374">TS</a>]

02:36:16   because it's that's the actual thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9376">TS</a>]

02:36:17   buy and certainly Finance people for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9377">TS</a>]

02:36:19   tech people concentrate on it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9379">TS</a>]

02:36:22   it's easier to do a review of new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9382">TS</a>]

02:36:24   hardware than it is slowly that it is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9384">TS</a>]

02:36:28   review slowly evolve involves evolving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9388">TS</a>]

02:36:34   software over time but the software is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9394">TS</a>]

02:36:37   way more important than the hardware I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9397">TS</a>]

02:36:39   mean you can have something like the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9399">TS</a>]

02:36:40   Pro that doesn't get updated for four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9400">TS</a>]

02:36:42   years and it's not going to kill the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9402">TS</a>]

02:36:44   but if the software you know was this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9404">TS</a>]

02:36:47   stagnant as the Mac Pro Hardware would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9407">TS</a>]

02:36:49   be a disaster well that and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9409">TS</a>]

02:36:51   almost did kill Apple right right that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9411">TS</a>]

02:36:53   is back back in the 90s and yeah this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9413">TS</a>]

02:36:55   the this was going back to why all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9415">TS</a>]

02:36:58   people were so wrong about the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9418">TS</a>]

02:37:00   this is exactly why right they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9420">TS</a>]

02:37:02   properly value software and they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9422">TS</a>]

02:37:05   properly value software because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9425">TS</a>]

02:37:06   not Apple didn't charge for it but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9426">TS</a>]

02:37:08   was - that's what people always fail do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9428">TS</a>]

02:37:11   not understand about Apple is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9431">TS</a>]

02:37:13   entire reason why they can charge for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9433">TS</a>]

02:37:16   much for the hardware is because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9436">TS</a>]

02:37:18   not for is different I mean there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9438">TS</a>]

02:37:18   you'd always read reviews right there'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9438">TS</a>]

02:37:20   be like a review way back in the IP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9440">TS</a>]

02:37:22   magazine like the new Mac Pro it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9442">TS</a>]

02:37:24   compare it to or Mac or whatever they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9444">TS</a>]

02:37:26   called back then they would compare it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9446">TS</a>]

02:37:27   to the PC Baba power and it was such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9447">TS</a>]

02:37:29   yeah it was it was it was dumb it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9449">TS</a>]

02:37:32   farce right because the reality is if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9452">TS</a>]

02:37:35   you're in the market for a Mac there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9455">TS</a>]

02:37:38   no competition like that in how do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9458">TS</a>]

02:37:41   make a lot of money make other way by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9461">TS</a>]

02:37:42   having monopolies like Apple has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9462">TS</a>]

02:37:44   monopoly they have a monopoly on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9464">TS</a>]

02:37:46   software the only way to get their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9466">TS</a>]

02:37:47   software is by buying their hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9467">TS</a>]

02:37:49   which lets them charge way more for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9469">TS</a>]

02:37:52   their hardware than anyone else can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9472">TS</a>]

02:37:53   charge for there's it I mean in its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9473">TS</a>]

02:37:55   that's why they're the most valuable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9475">TS</a>]

02:37:57   company in the world yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9477">TS</a>]

02:37:59   and you know again like a perfect point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9479">TS</a>]

02:38:01   the only time Apple was ever actually in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9481">TS</a>]

02:38:02   real trouble and circa you know 1996 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9482">TS</a>]

02:38:07   so was when their software stack had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9487">TS</a>]

02:38:11   been exposed as being antiquated you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9491">TS</a>]

02:38:14   know and add serious technical problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9494">TS</a>]

02:38:17   and they were really you know it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9497">TS</a>]

02:38:19   could make a really compelling case that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9499">TS</a>]

02:38:21   for you know in some cases for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9501">TS</a>]

02:38:23   people not for everybody but for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9503">TS</a>]

02:38:25   people it was you know decidedly a worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9505">TS</a>]

02:38:28   platform than than the competition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9508">TS</a>]

02:38:29   that's all I mean any apples where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9509">TS</a>]

02:38:32   had been slower than PCs for multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9512">TS</a>]

02:38:35   years at that point but when when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9515">TS</a>]

02:38:37   were getting a situation where like just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9517">TS</a>]

02:38:39   the I mean no protected memory and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9519">TS</a>]

02:38:41   it was like honestly if you actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9521">TS</a>]

02:38:45   cared about the work you were doing at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9525">TS</a>]

02:38:47   any given time on your computer you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9527">TS</a>]

02:38:49   kind of nuts to not use a it's not used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9529">TS</a>]

02:38:52   what was Windows got protected memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9532">TS</a>]

02:38:54   like to not use Windows you know I might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9534">TS</a>]

02:38:56   have socks but really what I love you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9536">TS</a>]

02:38:57   computer specially all the time a mine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9537">TS</a>]

02:38:59   was not crashing all the time but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9539">TS</a>]

02:39:01   but the reason of mine wasn't crashing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9541">TS</a>]

02:39:03   all the time was that I was sufficiently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9543">TS</a>]

02:39:05   you were careful about it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9545">TS</a>]

02:39:06   sufficiently expert at using a Macintosh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9546">TS</a>]

02:39:08   that I knew not to install I knew what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9548">TS</a>]

02:39:10   type of stuff not to install I knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9550">TS</a>]

02:39:11   exactly and if and if I did crash and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9551">TS</a>]

02:39:14   got you know I had Mac's bug installed I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9554">TS</a>]

02:39:16   could I wasn't like an expert at Mac's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9556">TS</a>]

02:39:18   bug but I could at least see what it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9558">TS</a>]

02:39:21   that crash you know I could figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9561">TS</a>]

02:39:22   what it was that was causing the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9562">TS</a>]

02:39:24   right right that's a problem the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9564">TS</a>]

02:39:26   that you had to be an expert Mac and Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9566">TS</a>]

02:39:28   user to have that ability that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9568">TS</a>]

02:39:31   problem because it weren't supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9571">TS</a>]

02:39:32   it's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9572">TS</a>]

02:39:33   like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9573">TS</a>]

02:39:35   where the Mac is today is is a terrific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9575">TS</a>]

02:39:37   position in that regard where if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9577">TS</a>]

02:39:40   want to be an expert and are an expert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9580">TS</a>]

02:39:42   you can do amazing things that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9582">TS</a>]

02:39:43   people can't but that the casual user is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9583">TS</a>]

02:39:46   not a necessity though right right it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9586">TS</a>]

02:39:49   does it's absolutely not a necessity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9589">TS</a>]

02:39:51   just to use the web and check your email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9591">TS</a>]

02:39:53   and find out what's going on on Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9593">TS</a>]

02:39:56   right what what really shows how dumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9596">TS</a>]

02:39:59   the argument about hardware is is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9599">TS</a>]

02:40:01   the Mac became more valuable as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9601">TS</a>]

02:40:04   product wine once its Hardware became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9604">TS</a>]

02:40:06   the same as everybody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9606">TS</a>]

02:40:07   yeah right exactly it it like what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9607">TS</a>]

02:40:10   they started using ever all standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9610">TS</a>]

02:40:12   stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9612">TS</a>]

02:40:12   it was a more vile product they sold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9612">TS</a>]

02:40:15   more and it's yet people couldn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9615">TS</a>]

02:40:17   went back to the iPhone and said all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9617">TS</a>]

02:40:20   because the hardware well it's yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9620">TS</a>]

02:40:22   it's so funny how people just don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9622">TS</a>]

02:40:26   today I mean I think it's mostly the war [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9626">TS</a>]

02:40:29   has been won but even today there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9629">TS</a>]

02:40:31   something like that people don't get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9631">TS</a>]

02:40:33   the software is not sold for a dollar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9633">TS</a>]

02:40:37   and it's the most viable thing they made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9637">TS</a>]

02:40:39   there was a plan in the 90s before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9639">TS</a>]

02:40:41   next they settled on then you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9641">TS</a>]

02:40:43   acquiring next and and using next step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9643">TS</a>]

02:40:46   as their operating system of the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9646">TS</a>]

02:40:48   but at the point where they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9648">TS</a>]

02:40:49   evaluating their options and they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9649">TS</a>]

02:40:51   think about buying the BOS that one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9651">TS</a>]

02:40:56   the options I think it was Alan Hancock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9656">TS</a>]

02:40:58   who is then the chief technical officer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9658">TS</a>]

02:41:00   which is a position that I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9660">TS</a>]

02:41:02   anybody even held after her at Apple but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9662">TS</a>]

02:41:04   I think it was her who endorsed it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9664">TS</a>]

02:41:07   if not I apologize to ellen hancock but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9667">TS</a>]

02:41:09   somebody at Apple seriously investigated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9669">TS</a>]

02:41:11   like using Windows NT as the foundation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9671">TS</a>]

02:41:16   and just building like like a TouchWiz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9676">TS</a>]

02:41:19   like a Macintosh TouchWiz interface on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9679">TS</a>]

02:41:21   top of NT you know like what TouchWiz is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9681">TS</a>]

02:41:24   to Android that Apple you just paint a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9684">TS</a>]

02:41:27   little you know a little apple like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9687">TS</a>]

02:41:29   magic on top of it but you can you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9689">TS</a>]

02:41:31   outsource the actual operating system to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9691">TS</a>]

02:41:33   Windows NT that would have it would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9693">TS</a>]

02:41:35   completely sunk the company company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9695">TS</a>]

02:41:36   would have been gone and yeah it had it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9696">TS</a>]

02:41:39   exactly upside down right with the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9699">TS</a>]

02:41:41   right but they can do West doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9701">TS</a>]

02:41:43   exact same thing on the hardware side by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9703">TS</a>]

02:41:44   switching the internals to bog-standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9704">TS</a>]

02:41:46   Intel you know pcs I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9706">TS</a>]

02:41:49   dual boot into Windows if you wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9709">TS</a>]

02:41:51   them to or still can today you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9711">TS</a>]

02:41:54   what's the best thing that ever happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9714">TS</a>]

02:41:55   to Mac hardware right and so the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9715">TS</a>]

02:41:58   this matters is if you're into why the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9718">TS</a>]

02:42:00   iPhone 7 will sell well is if you need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9720">TS</a>]

02:42:02   new phone you're gonna buy your honor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9722">TS</a>]

02:42:04   you're gonna buy an iPhone 7 right it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9724">TS</a>]

02:42:05   faster and it's better and yes in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9725">TS</a>]

02:42:07   camera is better and yeah it may it may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9727">TS</a>]

02:42:08   be it looks the same as iPhone 6 but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9728">TS</a>]

02:42:10   like your when that's your only choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9730">TS</a>]

02:42:12   it's not really that big of a deal right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9732">TS</a>]

02:42:15   and and the problem in the problem in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9735">TS</a>]

02:42:18   whereas Android like it's like the what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9738">TS</a>]

02:42:21   lock in there's not really any lock in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9741">TS</a>]

02:42:22   all sales has been trying to create some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9742">TS</a>]

02:42:24   sort of walk-in for years and they fail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9744">TS</a>]

02:42:26   because they're that's not what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9746">TS</a>]

02:42:27   good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9747">TS</a>]

02:42:28   so here's where we disagree where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9748">TS</a>]

02:42:29   disagree we agree that it's a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9749">TS</a>]

02:42:31   problem for Apple if we that we Chad's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9751">TS</a>]

02:42:33   dominance is more important more central [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9753">TS</a>]

02:42:36   than iOS to the experience would then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9756">TS</a>]

02:42:39   lend you believe that more iPhone users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9759">TS</a>]

02:42:41   would be willing to switch to Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9761">TS</a>]

02:42:42   and we're seeing proof of that that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9762">TS</a>]

02:42:44   happening right where we subtly disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9764">TS</a>]

02:42:47   is that you also think it's a factor in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9767">TS</a>]

02:42:49   these declining sales is the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9769">TS</a>]

02:42:51   the iPhone 7 looks so much like a 6 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9771">TS</a>]

02:42:53   success yeah and the Hazen's because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9773">TS</a>]

02:42:57   yeah great this is the point that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9777">TS</a>]

02:42:59   exact point where my sort of definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9779">TS</a>]

02:43:03   contrary into most people because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9783">TS</a>]

02:43:05   think that most people who oh pine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9785">TS</a>]

02:43:07   professionally about the design of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9787">TS</a>]

02:43:09   phones took that you know emphasize the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9789">TS</a>]

02:43:13   wow it's the same form factor as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9793">TS</a>]

02:43:15   last two years and that's not you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9795">TS</a>]

02:43:18   that that's an inherently negative thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9798">TS</a>]

02:43:20   I I agree in the basics though you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9800">TS</a>]

02:43:25   I'm not I'm not like I'm not arguing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9805">TS</a>]

02:43:27   extreme point that the iPhone is now in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9807">TS</a>]

02:43:29   a perfect shape and should never change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9809">TS</a>]

02:43:32   in any dimension or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9812">TS</a>]

02:43:34   I just think it's less of a factor than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9814">TS</a>]

02:43:38   you do and in fact almost irrelevant in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9818">TS</a>]

02:43:40   the China case well see I so I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9820">TS</a>]

02:43:43   with you in in most to the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9823">TS</a>]

02:43:45   world because at the end of day you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9825">TS</a>]

02:43:47   by to buy an iPhone is to buy in an iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9827">TS</a>]

02:43:52   delivery device right at the end of day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9832">TS</a>]

02:43:54   the hardware is a vehicle to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9834">TS</a>]

02:43:56   software that you want and this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9836">TS</a>]

02:43:59   Apple is and always has been the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9839">TS</a>]

02:44:02   but what it would just set aside Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9842">TS</a>]

02:44:04   for a while and think about what drives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9844">TS</a>]

02:44:05   high-end Samsung sells what drives you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9845">TS</a>]

02:44:08   know other high-end vendors in China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9848">TS</a>]

02:44:10   Huawei and Oppo like why would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9850">TS</a>]

02:44:13   choose one or the other we are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9853">TS</a>]

02:44:15   choose based on hardware you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9855">TS</a>]

02:44:18   choose and what goes into hardware with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9858">TS</a>]

02:44:20   some aspect of it is features like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9860">TS</a>]

02:44:22   camera and which is better not some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9862">TS</a>]

02:44:24   aspect of it is the way it looks we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9864">TS</a>]

02:44:25   talking about a device that's with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9865">TS</a>]

02:44:28   all the time your most personal device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9868">TS</a>]

02:44:29   it's it's you pull out you put on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9869">TS</a>]

02:44:31   table it's something that says who you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9871">TS</a>]

02:44:34   are and part of that is if you something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9874">TS</a>]

02:44:38   that looks the same here's the analogy I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9878">TS</a>]

02:44:39   would take think about buying a Mercedes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9879">TS</a>]

02:44:43   or buying a BMW or Audi or whatever or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9883">TS</a>]

02:44:46   whatever you want are there differences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9886">TS</a>]

02:44:48   in how they drive in their performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9888">TS</a>]

02:44:50   yes of course there are and some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9890">TS</a>]

02:44:52   will always only buy a Mercedes there'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9892">TS</a>]

02:44:54   always only buy a BMW and that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9894">TS</a>]

02:44:57   same thing with using say WeChat on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9897">TS</a>]

02:44:59   phone or using on Android some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9899">TS</a>]

02:45:01   will only ever buy one of them because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9901">TS</a>]

02:45:02   it's still different it's still there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9902">TS</a>]

02:45:04   some aspect of the experience that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9904">TS</a>]

02:45:05   still you know about iOS and those it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9905">TS</a>]

02:45:08   not to say that that's not a factor in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9908">TS</a>]

02:45:10   China it still is it just it's not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9910">TS</a>]

02:45:12   big is the number of people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9912">TS</a>]

02:45:14   actually carry out that are fewer but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9914">TS</a>]

02:45:17   the way some people will choose to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9917">TS</a>]

02:45:18   which car to buy is well it's been the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9918">TS</a>]

02:45:21   you know BMP which came with a new 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9921">TS</a>]

02:45:23   Series but before then the sales were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9923">TS</a>]

02:45:24   really bad the previous year why is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9924">TS</a>]

02:45:26   been the same design for five years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9926">TS</a>]

02:45:28   now this year the sales are really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9928">TS</a>]

02:45:29   why because they just came out with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9929">TS</a>]

02:45:31   new model and it's the same sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9931">TS</a>]

02:45:33   thing if it's this if it's the old model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9933">TS</a>]

02:45:36   maybe you'll buy it because you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9936">TS</a>]

02:45:37   actually like an iPhone that much but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9937">TS</a>]

02:45:39   maybe you'll buy something else and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9939">TS</a>]

02:45:42   implication is I'm actually a bit of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9942">TS</a>]

02:45:44   optimist in the short term because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9944">TS</a>]

02:45:45   new iPhones going to come out I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9945">TS</a>]

02:45:47   lots of people want to buy it I my point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9947">TS</a>]

02:45:51   that it's not relevant though is that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9951">TS</a>]

02:45:52   even if there is a spike let's say let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9952">TS</a>]

02:45:57   just say that the rumors are true and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9957">TS</a>]

02:45:58   Apple ships in September at least one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9958">TS</a>]

02:46:02   iPhone that's a very distinctly new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9962">TS</a>]

02:46:04   design and you know maybe all three of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9964">TS</a>]

02:46:06   them you know there's somebody came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9966">TS</a>]

02:46:08   with a report this week that the 7 + 7 s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9968">TS</a>]

02:46:11   or 7 S + + 7s are also going to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9971">TS</a>]

02:46:16   glass packs it would which I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9976">TS</a>]

02:46:19   to get down this rattle but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9979">TS</a>]

02:46:20   nonsense if it's true that the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9980">TS</a>]

02:46:22   second tier new phones not the super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9982">TS</a>]

02:46:24   phone not the iPhone pro that might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9984">TS</a>]

02:46:26   you know 1200 or $1400 but like the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9986">TS</a>]

02:46:30   that are replacing the seven and seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9990">TS</a>]

02:46:32   plus if they have class packs they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9992">TS</a>]

02:46:34   not going to call them the 7s and 7s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9994">TS</a>]

02:46:36   plus because the S thing only applies to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9996">TS</a>]

02:46:38   looks exactly the same as the last years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/9998">TS</a>]

02:46:40   but with new new technology if they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10000">TS</a>]

02:46:43   that they all all three phones would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10003">TS</a>]

02:46:45   have new names but anyway that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10005">TS</a>]

02:46:47   different point let's just say Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10007">TS</a>]

02:46:51   comes out with exciting new phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10011">TS</a>]

02:46:53   Chinese oh and behold Chinese sales [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10013">TS</a>]

02:46:55   spiked again and you know there's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10015">TS</a>]

02:46:58   strong correlation that a new design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10018">TS</a>]

02:47:01   equals I've you know apples back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10021">TS</a>]

02:47:03   China I'll apologize to you admit that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10023">TS</a>]

02:47:06   you were right if it's a noticeable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10026">TS</a>]

02:47:08   spike it gives it it would have once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10028">TS</a>]

02:47:12   have to be a it not just that they'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10032">TS</a>]

02:47:14   have to be a spike but it would have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10034">TS</a>]

02:47:15   prove it I think it would have to mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10035">TS</a>]

02:47:17   that Chinese growth would be even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10037">TS</a>]

02:47:19   greater than the growth everywhere else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10039">TS</a>]

02:47:20   from the sale of this new iPhone right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10040">TS</a>]

02:47:22   that the argument here is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10042">TS</a>]

02:47:24   Chinese market is more sensitive both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10044">TS</a>]

02:47:27   ways to the hardware design of a phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10047">TS</a>]

02:47:30   that when it is new and wow you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10050">TS</a>]

02:47:32   the best new iPhone they're even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10052">TS</a>]

02:47:34   willing to buy it than the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10054">TS</a>]

02:47:36   world and when they feel like it's stale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10056">TS</a>]

02:47:37   they're more willing to abandon it do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10057">TS</a>]

02:47:39   you feel like that's a fair assessment i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10059">TS</a>]

02:47:42   I do think so I thought you were going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10062">TS</a>]

02:47:44   to say that they'd have to sell even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10064">TS</a>]

02:47:46   more than the iPhone 6 cuz I'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10066">TS</a>]

02:47:48   I don't know about that that's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10068">TS</a>]

02:47:49   right yeah cuz there's two parts of one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10069">TS</a>]

02:47:52   yes I I do believe that's the case and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10072">TS</a>]

02:47:54   do think that iPhone growth in China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10074">TS</a>]

02:47:56   will be greater than in other regions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10076">TS</a>]

02:47:58   the world when a new when a new design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10078">TS</a>]

02:48:00   comes out I do wonder though something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10080">TS</a>]

02:48:03   that that that I've been thinking a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10083">TS</a>]

02:48:05   about and this is this is the real bear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10085">TS</a>]

02:48:07   case for Apple in China is I mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10087">TS</a>]

02:48:11   iPhone 6 it wasn't just that it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10091">TS</a>]

02:48:14   big phone it was that's also the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10094">TS</a>]

02:48:16   phone that came out in China Mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10096">TS</a>]

02:48:17   which is the the largest carrier in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10097">TS</a>]

02:48:19   China and at the same time you had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10099">TS</a>]

02:48:22   continued emergence of of you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10102">TS</a>]

02:48:24   middle class that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10104">TS</a>]

02:48:26   that can stretch for a luxury good that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10106">TS</a>]

02:48:29   in the grand scheme of things isn't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10109">TS</a>]

02:48:31   expensive like I just talked about cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10111">TS</a>]

02:48:32   right right do I need to buy a phone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10112">TS</a>]

02:48:34   a fraction of the cost even if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10114">TS</a>]

02:48:36   buying the very best phone in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10116">TS</a>]

02:48:37   right so my big question though in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10117">TS</a>]

02:48:41   is the the bear bowl case the best news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10121">TS</a>]

02:48:45   for Apple it would be exactly what I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10125">TS</a>]

02:48:47   where there's I think regards is gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10127">TS</a>]

02:48:49   be a big jump the questions was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10129">TS</a>]

02:48:50   iPhone 6 a fan you know what I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10130">TS</a>]

02:48:53   where new is the thing to get and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10133">TS</a>]

02:48:56   you know it would like luxury goods go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10136">TS</a>]

02:48:59   through this right right one point it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10139">TS</a>]

02:49:01   Louie Vuitton then it's Chanel then it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10141">TS</a>]

02:49:03   like her best and it's Balenciaga or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10143">TS</a>]

02:49:05   whatever might be like is that is it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10145">TS</a>]

02:49:08   the iPhone 6 affair was just the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10148">TS</a>]

02:49:10   to get or I don't think that's the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10150">TS</a>]

02:49:14   it might be a little bit or is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10154">TS</a>]

02:49:16   iPhone and Apple a luxury good and an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10156">TS</a>]

02:49:20   aspirational good which I do think it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10160">TS</a>]

02:49:22   and this matters and matters in China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10162">TS</a>]

02:49:24   matters way more in China than in the US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10164">TS</a>]

02:49:26   and it like the level of conspicuous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10166">TS</a>]

02:49:29   consumption in China is it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10169">TS</a>]

02:49:31   jarring when you go like you you can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10171">TS</a>]

02:49:33   in like some run-down part of town or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10173">TS</a>]

02:49:37   messy and dirty and there's stuff flying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10177">TS</a>]

02:49:40   around and there's people walking down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10180">TS</a>]

02:49:41   the road with like Chanel bags like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10181">TS</a>]

02:49:43   it's it's very different and matters and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10183">TS</a>]

02:49:46   you pull out your phone you put on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10186">TS</a>]

02:49:48   table in the coffee shop and yeah even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10188">TS</a>]

02:49:50   if it's in a case you can see what kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10190">TS</a>]

02:49:52   of phone it is and and it really matters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10192">TS</a>]

02:49:55   and Apple still has a great brand and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10195">TS</a>]

02:49:57   still means something that it's an Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10197">TS</a>]

02:49:59   and I think that's the that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10199">TS</a>]

02:50:01   they're still maintaining cells to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10201">TS</a>]

02:50:04   degree that they are and so I I'm still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10204">TS</a>]

02:50:07   relatively bullish if you want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10207">TS</a>]

02:50:10   bearish though would be that oh it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10210">TS</a>]

02:50:11   just a fad which I don't think is true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10211">TS</a>]

02:50:13   but it's possible but here's my my point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10213">TS</a>]

02:50:15   is that this going back to the software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10215">TS</a>]

02:50:19   being more important than the hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10219">TS</a>]

02:50:21   what has you attached to the Apple brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10221">TS</a>]

02:50:24   has to be the software to it's not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10224">TS</a>]

02:50:26   that Apple as a company needs to be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10226">TS</a>]

02:50:28   focused on the software platform but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10228">TS</a>]

02:50:30   the software software platform isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10230">TS</a>]

02:50:32   what's primarily keeping you buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10232">TS</a>]

02:50:34   iPhones then you're so much less sticky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10234">TS</a>]

02:50:37   like if you really are just learned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10237">TS</a>]

02:50:40   somebody else can I would argue that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10240">TS</a>]

02:50:43   competition is way closer to iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10243">TS</a>]

02:50:45   quality hardware than they are then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10245">TS</a>]

02:50:48   Android is to being iOS quality software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10248">TS</a>]

02:50:51   like note that that's that's absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10251">TS</a>]

02:50:54   true but in I really do think in China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10254">TS</a>]

02:50:56   and this isn't like a Johnny completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10256">TS</a>]

02:50:58   observation I've made this point like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10258">TS</a>]

02:51:00   three four years ago that the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10260">TS</a>]

02:51:03   differentiation for Apple in China has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10263">TS</a>]

02:51:05   always been the brand like that matters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10265">TS</a>]

02:51:08   more and that's something one of Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10268">TS</a>]

02:51:11   actually advantages and something they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10271">TS</a>]

02:51:12   learn with the whole 5c thing is having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10272">TS</a>]

02:51:15   only a high-end brand or a high-end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10275">TS</a>]

02:51:18   phone is a good thing because there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10278">TS</a>]

02:51:21   no watering down of the brand right yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10281">TS</a>]

02:51:23   you can have a high-end Samsung there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10283">TS</a>]

02:51:24   also low end crappy ones floating around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10284">TS</a>]

02:51:26   same thing with with all the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10286">TS</a>]

02:51:27   Chinese brands the fact that an iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10287">TS</a>]

02:51:30   is always an expensive device is a is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10290">TS</a>]

02:51:34   something that actually helps preserve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10294">TS</a>]

02:51:37   that's always an expensive device or an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10297">TS</a>]

02:51:39   old device right right and so doing what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10299">TS</a>]

02:51:42   it was expensive at some point right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10302">TS</a>]

02:51:44   okay so what about the red iPhone I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10304">TS</a>]

02:51:46   didn't mention that in my article I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10306">TS</a>]

02:51:48   a whole bunch of well what about the red [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10308">TS</a>]

02:51:49   one because the red one is obviously new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10309">TS</a>]

02:51:51   like people can quibble about whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10311">TS</a>]

02:51:53   the jet-black iPhone looks new but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10313">TS</a>]

02:51:55   red one is unmistakably new do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10315">TS</a>]

02:51:58   the red one the red iPhone 7 will make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10318">TS</a>]

02:52:00   difference in the second half of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10320">TS</a>]

02:52:01   financial year it might I think that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10321">TS</a>]

02:52:05   know what I think Cook was totally right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10325">TS</a>]

02:52:08   to say that there's anticipation for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10328">TS</a>]

02:52:10   new device which I again I think I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10330">TS</a>]

02:52:13   that was about China that comment right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10333">TS</a>]

02:52:15   that people are waiting for the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10335">TS</a>]

02:52:16   device so I it might have an impact but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10336">TS</a>]

02:52:20   I think it will be muted that at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10340">TS</a>]

02:52:22   point people are waiting and people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10342">TS</a>]

02:52:24   are super super up-to-date on this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10344">TS</a>]

02:52:27   like the I don't live in China but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10347">TS</a>]

02:52:32   will just say being here in Taiwan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10352">TS</a>]

02:52:33   like I think rumors are on the nightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10353">TS</a>]

02:52:35   news oh that's amazing I said well I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10355">TS</a>]

02:52:38   I'm laughing because I realized that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10358">TS</a>]

02:52:41   some circles that's a politically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10361">TS</a>]

02:52:42   charged sentence but I'm also laughing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10362">TS</a>]

02:52:44   at the fact that I'm also laughing at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10364">TS</a>]

02:52:46   the fact that the iPhone rumors are on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10366">TS</a>]

02:52:48   the nightly news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10368">TS</a>]

02:52:49   yeah it's the the pervasiveness end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10369">TS</a>]

02:52:53   just mobile devices is I mean the u.s. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10373">TS</a>]

02:52:58   is really behind I mean they're behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10378">TS</a>]

02:52:59   in that everyone because everyone the US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10379">TS</a>]

02:53:02   had a PC the what mobile means in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10382">TS</a>]

02:53:06   u.s. is all the times between in between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10386">TS</a>]

02:53:10   when you're using your PC right and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10390">TS</a>]

02:53:12   happened in China is for the vast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10392">TS</a>]

02:53:16   majority of people their first of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10396">TS</a>]

02:53:18   first computing device is the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10398">TS</a>]

02:53:20   right and and so the reason why we chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10400">TS</a>]

02:53:24   is is what it is it's not just that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10404">TS</a>]

02:53:27   gobbled up all these services I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10407">TS</a>]

02:53:29   Indian Ragab well up they created them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10409">TS</a>]

02:53:31   but you don't know what can you use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10411">TS</a>]

02:53:32   WeChat from a browser no right noble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10412">TS</a>]

02:53:36   only yeah they have they have an app for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10416">TS</a>]

02:53:40   mac and windows it what's the this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10420">TS</a>]

02:53:43   actually it's worth downloading because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10423">TS</a>]

02:53:45   I think it's really interesting people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10425">TS</a>]

02:53:47   it drives through the wall like people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10427">TS</a>]

02:53:48   who are using PC's just a present the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10428">TS</a>]

02:53:50   wall but I think if you can understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10430">TS</a>]

02:53:52   how the palatable mac app works you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10432">TS</a>]

02:53:54   start to kind of rock this so what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10434">TS</a>]

02:53:56   do is you can download the WeChat app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10436">TS</a>]

02:53:59   from like the Mac Apple Store or Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10439">TS</a>]

02:54:02   Apple Store the Mac App Store and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10442">TS</a>]

02:54:04   you launch the app what it does is it uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10444">TS</a>]

02:54:07   it brings up a much I promotional Mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10447">TS</a>]

02:54:10   I should get it so you bring it up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10450">TS</a>]

02:54:12   it has your picture and you click login [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10452">TS</a>]

02:54:14   when you click login you don't actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10454">TS</a>]

02:54:17   type a username or password it brings up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10457">TS</a>]

02:54:20   a QR code and what you have to do is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10460">TS</a>]

02:54:22   have to open the WeChat app on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10462">TS</a>]

02:54:24   phone scan the QR code which I'll do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10464">TS</a>]

02:54:27   now and then boom you're logged in on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10467">TS</a>]

02:54:29   the desktop because it like it sends it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10469">TS</a>]

02:54:30   up to the WeChat servers that yes this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10470">TS</a>]

02:54:32   is this is the right device and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10472">TS</a>]

02:54:34   and then you're logged in it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10474">TS</a>]

02:54:37   honestly worth downloading just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10477">TS</a>]

02:54:38   experience this because if you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10478">TS</a>]

02:54:41   regular PC user and I heard from people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10481">TS</a>]

02:54:43   like oh man I have you tried using it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10483">TS</a>]

02:54:45   the PC it's terrible what do you mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10485">TS</a>]

02:54:46   they have a good user experience blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10486">TS</a>]

02:54:47   blah blah well mainly that app is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10487">TS</a>]

02:54:51   for old fogies like you and I who still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10491">TS</a>]

02:54:52   want to use a PC but it really gets the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10492">TS</a>]

02:54:57   centrality of mobile like you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10497">TS</a>]

02:55:00   use your phone to log in on on the PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10500">TS</a>]

02:55:02   and it once you grok that I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10502">TS</a>]

02:55:05   can kind of start to understand what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10505">TS</a>]

02:55:07   means that mobile actually be the center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10507">TS</a>]

02:55:09   of everything not to be a peripheral [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10509">TS</a>]

02:55:12   alright here's my other thing I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10512">TS</a>]

02:55:14   get before we wrap this up and we I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10514">TS</a>]

02:55:15   think we're hitting them on our mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10515">TS</a>]

02:55:17   here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10517">TS</a>]

02:55:18   [Laughter] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10518">TS</a>]

02:55:20   two hours now three three hours all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10520">TS</a>]

02:55:23   right well we can't go over four I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10523">TS</a>]

02:55:27   it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10527">TS</a>]

02:55:27   how do you square this obsession with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10527">TS</a>]

02:55:30   the appearance of the external [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10530">TS</a>]

02:55:33   appearance of the phones with the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10533">TS</a>]

02:55:35   that it all around the world majority of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10535">TS</a>]

02:55:39   users put their phones in cases but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10539">TS</a>]

02:55:41   China it's by all accounts is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10541">TS</a>]

02:55:44   probably the highest rate of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10544">TS</a>]

02:55:46   putting their phones in cases because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10546">TS</a>]

02:55:48   the resale protecting the rear it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10548">TS</a>]

02:55:51   whole thing we know that with the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10551">TS</a>]

02:55:52   not wanting to use the home button and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10552">TS</a>]

02:55:54   using the accessibility feature to put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10554">TS</a>]

02:55:56   virtual home button on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10556">TS</a>]

02:55:58   because they don't want to wear out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10558">TS</a>]

02:55:59   button so that it protects the resale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10559">TS</a>]

02:56:02   value of the phone so if everybody puts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10562">TS</a>]

02:56:04   their phone in a case how do you even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10564">TS</a>]

02:56:06   you know like the red you know let the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10566">TS</a>]

02:56:09   red phone is a perfect example you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10569">TS</a>]

02:56:10   the red iPhone in a case the button is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10570">TS</a>]

02:56:12   even red so you know way to tell that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10572">TS</a>]

02:56:14   it's a red iPhone uh yeah this is one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10574">TS</a>]

02:56:17   the reasons why it might be dampened I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10577">TS</a>]

02:56:19   think so there's two there's two aspects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10579">TS</a>]

02:56:23   of Apple it's not just it being a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10583">TS</a>]

02:56:25   device it's also the fact that it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10585">TS</a>]

02:56:27   apple like Apple is a meaningful brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10587">TS</a>]

02:56:29   it it is status conferring brand so and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10589">TS</a>]

02:56:33   that remains the case and will remain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10593">TS</a>]

02:56:35   the case even if you're you have a case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10595">TS</a>]

02:56:38   it's not like you're worried yes it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10598">TS</a>]

02:56:40   not like a purse or something where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10600">TS</a>]

02:56:42   can see across the road that someone has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10602">TS</a>]

02:56:44   a purse you're conveying status not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10604">TS</a>]

02:56:46   strangers you're conveying status to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10606">TS</a>]

02:56:48   people you're with and around you so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10608">TS</a>]

02:56:50   when you sit down at the office and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10610">TS</a>]

02:56:52   pull your phone you put on your desk or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10612">TS</a>]

02:56:53   you're in a coffee shop I said you pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10613">TS</a>]

02:56:55   it out you can see by you can just even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10615">TS</a>]

02:56:58   if it's in the case you can tell if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10618">TS</a>]

02:57:00   a if it's a new phone or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10620">TS</a>]

02:57:02   interestingly you can't really tell if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10622">TS</a>]

02:57:05   it's a six or if it's a seven but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10625">TS</a>]

02:57:08   can definitely tell if it's a 5s or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10628">TS</a>]

02:57:12   six even right and you could tell the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10632">TS</a>]

02:57:13   difference between a and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10633">TS</a>]

02:57:15   for Android and and right right so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10635">TS</a>]

02:57:18   start the Apple stats you can see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10638">TS</a>]

02:57:21   it's an iPhone but it's not there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10641">TS</a>]

02:57:23   there's no status conferring for newness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10643">TS</a>]

02:57:25   in the fact that I can afford to buy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10645">TS</a>]

02:57:29   newest phone and I have the the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10649">TS</a>]

02:57:31   phone and and like why buy it yes if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10651">TS</a>]

02:57:36   you're if you're rich and you can afford [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10656">TS</a>]

02:57:37   it and yes by all means buy a new iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10657">TS</a>]

02:57:40   every year but if you're buying an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10660">TS</a>]

02:57:43   iPhone not just because it's an iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10663">TS</a>]

02:57:44   but you want the status that it confers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10664">TS</a>]

02:57:47   on you well why not keep the iPhone 6 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10667">TS</a>]

02:57:50   that looks the exact same as the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10670">TS</a>]

02:57:51   7 and spend your what little cash you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10671">TS</a>]

02:57:54   have I mean every Chinese rich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10674">TS</a>]

02:57:56   relatively speaking especially in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10676">TS</a>]

02:57:59   big cities but on an absolute dollar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10679">TS</a>]

02:58:01   basis you know much much less money why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10681">TS</a>]

02:58:04   not spend that money on buying a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10684">TS</a>]

02:58:06   wallet or something like that and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10686">TS</a>]

02:58:08   been thinking about it I actually think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10688">TS</a>]

02:58:09   that the prominent the prominence of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10689">TS</a>]

02:58:12   cases that the or the the puts the word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10692">TS</a>]

02:58:16   on the board but the fact that cases are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10696">TS</a>]

02:58:18   so ubiquitous actually plays against the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10698">TS</a>]

02:58:21   the ways that the iPhone 7 is new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10701">TS</a>]

02:58:24   because you can't see the jet black you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10704">TS</a>]

02:58:27   can't see that it's a red iPhone you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10707">TS</a>]

02:58:31   know the color alone and see that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10711">TS</a>]

02:58:32   can see the dual camera yeah but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10712">TS</a>]

02:58:35   it so there are some changes but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10715">TS</a>]

02:58:37   there's it's nowhere near as much I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10717">TS</a>]

02:58:39   happen to think and I feel like one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10719">TS</a>]

02:58:42   the most fascinating things about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10722">TS</a>]

02:58:44   there's so much rumor and so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10724">TS</a>]

02:58:46   speculation about this year's new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10726">TS</a>]

02:58:48   iPhones it's it's clearly a higher pitch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10728">TS</a>]

02:58:50   than usual years because there's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10730">TS</a>]

02:58:53   every all the rumors are saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10733">TS</a>]

02:58:55   it's going to be something new and new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10735">TS</a>]

02:58:56   is more exciting than something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10736">TS</a>]

02:58:57   not new and like you said that there on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10737">TS</a>]

02:59:01   the nightly news in Taiwan um but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10741">TS</a>]

02:59:05   despite the fever pitch of these rumors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10745">TS</a>]

02:59:07   that there's something new and we hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10747">TS</a>]

02:59:08   that it's an edged edge screen so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10748">TS</a>]

02:59:10   we there's no actual leaks of what it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10750">TS</a>]

02:59:13   going to look like like that to me like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10753">TS</a>]

02:59:15   you said you didn't lose him over in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10755">TS</a>]

02:59:16   Richie and I talked about it last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10756">TS</a>]

02:59:18   like it's almost excruciating reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10758">TS</a>]

02:59:20   mark durman's stuff at Bloomberg because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10760">TS</a>]

02:59:24   it's entirely written around the central [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10764">TS</a>]

02:59:28   point which is that mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10768">TS</a>]

02:59:29   has no fucking idea what the next iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10769">TS</a>]

02:59:30   looks like none and that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10770">TS</a>]

02:59:34   it's really kind of hard to write the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10774">TS</a>]

02:59:36   story where the gist of the story is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10776">TS</a>]

02:59:39   have no idea what the iPhone next iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10779">TS</a>]

02:59:41   looks like so it's is there's there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10781">TS</a>]

02:59:45   little bit I mean recently isn't there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10785">TS</a>]

02:59:46   like there's like some blueprints that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10786">TS</a>]

02:59:47   got out like the vertical camera and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10787">TS</a>]

02:59:49   stuff like that supposedly right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10789">TS</a>]

02:59:51   they're all but they're not consistent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10791">TS</a>]

02:59:53   yeah so the vertically aligned camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10793">TS</a>]

02:59:54   but government government did have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10794">TS</a>]

02:59:58   something about that but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10798">TS</a>]

02:59:58   something about that but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10798">TS</a>]

03:00:00   he wasn't first though like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10800">TS</a>]

03:00:02   think any of that I don't think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10802">TS</a>]

03:00:03   vertically aligned cameras came from him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10803">TS</a>]

03:00:04   first I think that plans leaked and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10804">TS</a>]

03:00:06   he just wrote about him but then he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10806">TS</a>]

03:00:08   wrote that it would it would help the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10808">TS</a>]

03:00:10   iPhone moving the the dual camera from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10810">TS</a>]

03:00:12   horizontal to vertical II aligned would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10812">TS</a>]

03:00:14   to help the iPhone take better pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10814">TS</a>]

03:00:15   oh it wouldn't still do lenses the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10815">TS</a>]

03:00:20   distance from each other it just it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10820">TS</a>]

03:00:23   changes where they are on the body but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10823">TS</a>]

03:00:25   anyway uh I think that's why anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10825">TS</a>]

03:00:29   here's what I think there's my point my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10829">TS</a>]

03:00:30   point is this I think Apple is very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10830">TS</a>]

03:00:33   aware of how many people put their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10833">TS</a>]

03:00:37   phones in cases and I think they're very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10837">TS</a>]

03:00:39   much aware and I think that part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10839">TS</a>]

03:00:41   design of the whatever the next form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10841">TS</a>]

03:00:43   factor for iPhone is is very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10843">TS</a>]

03:00:45   designed in mind with the fact that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10845">TS</a>]

03:00:47   going to be in a case and I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10847">TS</a>]

03:00:49   started this with the iPhone 6 because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10849">TS</a>]

03:00:51   think it's I think it's doing a way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10851">TS</a>]

03:00:53   they justified to themselves the camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10853">TS</a>]

03:00:55   bump which is that for most users the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10855">TS</a>]

03:00:57   camera bump is irrelevant because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10857">TS</a>]

03:00:59   never noticed because it's in a case and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10859">TS</a>]

03:01:00   the case even the thinnest case is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10860">TS</a>]

03:01:02   thicker than the camera bump the camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10862">TS</a>]

03:01:05   bump is actually a penalty for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10865">TS</a>]

03:01:06   like me who don't use a case yeah I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10866">TS</a>]

03:01:10   think that's a great point and the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10870">TS</a>]

03:01:12   the other thing that I think it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10872">TS</a>]

03:01:14   interesting is this idea of this iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10874">TS</a>]

03:01:16   like plus or preneur pro or whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10876">TS</a>]

03:01:18   is that's going to be much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10878">TS</a>]

03:01:19   expensive to me this is a very easy uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10879">TS</a>]

03:01:24   it's it's interesting in water specs I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10884">TS</a>]

03:01:25   think it's a pretty optimal path [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10885">TS</a>]

03:01:28   actually I think for Apple to grow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10888">TS</a>]

03:01:30   revenue because like theirs they're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10890">TS</a>]

03:01:36   right now there is no we haven't them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10896">TS</a>]

03:01:39   and tested how high they can go they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10899">TS</a>]

03:01:41   know they can sell a lot at this price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10901">TS</a>]

03:01:43   point with it but the iPhone plus pushed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10903">TS</a>]

03:01:45   it up a hundred dollars and they sold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10905">TS</a>]

03:01:46   ton of um they're selling more even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10906">TS</a>]

03:01:48   than they expected and this is the third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10908">TS</a>]

03:01:49   year in a row they've had the plus and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10909">TS</a>]

03:01:51   for three years in a row they've under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10911">TS</a>]

03:01:52   produced the plus size like the the plus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10912">TS</a>]

03:01:54   share of the iPhone is actually is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10914">TS</a>]

03:01:57   actually becoming more and more and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10917">TS</a>]

03:02:00   really interested about this sort of new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10920">TS</a>]

03:02:02   even higher tier sort of sort of model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10922">TS</a>]

03:02:06   and I think it is a something that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10926">TS</a>]

03:02:08   play very well in in the China market I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10928">TS</a>]

03:02:10   mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10930">TS</a>]

03:02:11   not just uh I think it's a balance right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10931">TS</a>]

03:02:15   so you don't want to ruin the brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10935">TS</a>]

03:02:16   value of the seven 600 700 700 ollar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10936">TS</a>]

03:02:20   phone I mean once you you are getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10940">TS</a>]

03:02:23   pretty darn expensive once you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10943">TS</a>]

03:02:26   beyond that but the implication of being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10946">TS</a>]

03:02:29   going beyond that is the sort of status [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10949">TS</a>]

03:02:31   and visibility that comes from having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10951">TS</a>]

03:02:33   that is even greater and where do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10953">TS</a>]

03:02:36   strike the balance between being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10956">TS</a>]

03:02:38   accessible to enough people versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10958">TS</a>]

03:02:40   getting in a iPhone 5c situation where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10960">TS</a>]

03:02:43   it's kind of like the the there was a a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10963">TS</a>]

03:02:46   gulf between or in perception because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10966">TS</a>]

03:02:49   you're clearly buying the cheap iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10969">TS</a>]

03:02:50   right that's going to be very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10970">TS</a>]

03:02:52   interesting to see how that plays out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10972">TS</a>]

03:02:53   and how how far they try to push it yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10973">TS</a>]

03:02:56   I think that if it's true and Rene was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10976">TS</a>]

03:02:59   talking about this last week where Rene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10979">TS</a>]

03:03:01   seems pretty sold on the idea that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10981">TS</a>]

03:03:05   successors to the 7s and 7s bar 7 and 7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10985">TS</a>]

03:03:09   and 7 plus god it's I get the S is wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10989">TS</a>]

03:03:13   whether they call it the 7s or they call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10993">TS</a>]

03:03:15   it the iPhone 8 or something maybe if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10995">TS</a>]

03:03:18   it's even newer but that there will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/10998">TS</a>]

03:03:20   at this you know the same price points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11000">TS</a>]

03:03:21   as the 7 and 7 plus today that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11001">TS</a>]

03:03:24   iPhone Pro or whatever you want to call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11004">TS</a>]

03:03:26   it is going to be significantly more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11006">TS</a>]

03:03:28   expensive um I think that's the only way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11008">TS</a>]

03:03:31   to do it it's the only way that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11011">TS</a>]

03:03:32   sense and I feel like a lot of times you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11012">TS</a>]

03:03:34   can kind of answer like the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11014">TS</a>]

03:03:37   Kremlinology of Apple is is it going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11017">TS</a>]

03:03:39   cause people to lose their shit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11019">TS</a>]

03:03:41   moment it's announced and like I'd say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11021">TS</a>]

03:03:44   let's say they come out with let's say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11024">TS</a>]

03:03:46   they come out with a replacement for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11026">TS</a>]

03:03:49   7 and the 7 plus to call it the 7s and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11029">TS</a>]

03:03:52   7s plus just for the sake of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11032">TS</a>]

03:03:54   discussion at the same price points and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11034">TS</a>]

03:03:56   it has reasonably you know what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11036">TS</a>]

03:03:58   expect from Apple year-over-year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11038">TS</a>]

03:03:59   technology wise the GPU graph keeps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11039">TS</a>]

03:04:02   going up on the hockey stick the camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11042">TS</a>]

03:04:04   has x y&z that it does better and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11044">TS</a>]

03:04:07   can take a side by side picture with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11047">TS</a>]

03:04:09   year-old camera and you can see things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11049">TS</a>]

03:04:10   that are better in the new one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11050">TS</a>]

03:04:13   better battery life maybe you know just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11053">TS</a>]

03:04:15   typical things like that and they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11055">TS</a>]

03:04:17   this phone that is a jaw-dropping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11057">TS</a>]

03:04:19   physical form factor and let's say the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11059">TS</a>]

03:04:21   starting price is $1,500 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11061">TS</a>]

03:04:24   like people would lose their fuckin shit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11064">TS</a>]

03:04:26   if all of a sudden in this market of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11066">TS</a>]

03:04:29   Apple and these Samsung and all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11069">TS</a>]

03:04:31   super phones that are in the 700 800 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11071">TS</a>]

03:04:33   dollar range and Apple just doubles the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11073">TS</a>]

03:04:34   price for this new top tier and sells a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11074">TS</a>]

03:04:37   fifteen or sixteen hundred dollar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11077">TS</a>]

03:04:39   starting point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11079">TS</a>]

03:04:40   iPhone would people lose their shit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11080">TS</a>]

03:04:44   absolutely now the other tricky Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11084">TS</a>]

03:04:46   thing that they could be doing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11086">TS</a>]

03:04:47   seeding this idea of a higher than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11087">TS</a>]

03:04:51   thousand dollar starting point and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11091">TS</a>]

03:04:53   just making the new design at the at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11093">TS</a>]

03:04:56   existing starting points that the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11096">TS</a>]

03:04:57   thing is some kind of ruse and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11097">TS</a>]

03:04:59   everybody thinks fears that this new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11099">TS</a>]

03:05:00   phone is going to be super expensive and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11100">TS</a>]

03:05:02   it turns out to be you know the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11102">TS</a>]

03:05:05   prices the current ones because remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11105">TS</a>]

03:05:06   like that famously the iPad yes leaked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11106">TS</a>]

03:05:10   is a thousand dollars and it started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11110">TS</a>]

03:05:12   like $4.99 that was amazing cuz it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11112">TS</a>]

03:05:15   so well like people were blown away at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11115">TS</a>]

03:05:19   how inexpensive this device right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11119">TS</a>]

03:05:21   because that did and it set the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11121">TS</a>]

03:05:23   expectations right Jobs had talked it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11123">TS</a>]

03:05:25   sufficiently talked it up during the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11125">TS</a>]

03:05:27   keynote lounging in his nice little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11127">TS</a>]

03:05:29   chair that it easily sounded like he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11129">TS</a>]

03:05:32   going to say this thing is so freakin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11132">TS</a>]

03:05:34   great you're gonna love spending $1000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11134">TS</a>]

03:05:36   on this and it was half the price but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11136">TS</a>]

03:05:38   anyway the I could see them doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11138">TS</a>]

03:05:40   both ways I would have to say that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11140">TS</a>]

03:05:41   the post Steve Jobs world it's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11141">TS</a>]

03:05:43   likely that they're going to sell it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11143">TS</a>]

03:05:44   $1,500 yeah maybe that that people would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11144">TS</a>]

03:05:48   definitely lose their minds on that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11148">TS</a>]

03:05:50   other thing that's interesting I wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11150">TS</a>]

03:05:52   if the high end is there's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11152">TS</a>]

03:05:53   do you think it'll be like a pencil sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11153">TS</a>]

03:05:55   of thing like the the Samsung Note sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11155">TS</a>]

03:05:59   under that would be a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11159">TS</a>]

03:06:00   differentiate it and call it pro and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11160">TS</a>]

03:06:02   kind of match the the iPad pro I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11162">TS</a>]

03:06:04   know maming I don't know I can't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11164">TS</a>]

03:06:06   them doing a pencil for it or if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11166">TS</a>]

03:06:08   did it would just be the regular pencil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11168">TS</a>]

03:06:09   right I don't get where it has pencil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11169">TS</a>]

03:06:13   support you as opposed to having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11173">TS</a>]

03:06:14   something built in yeah it could be it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11174">TS</a>]

03:06:17   could be the pencil I don't know I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11177">TS</a>]

03:06:18   it obviously the pencil obviousl support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11178">TS</a>]

03:06:21   in the device obviously costs enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11181">TS</a>]

03:06:23   money that they didn't put it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11183">TS</a>]

03:06:25   quote-unquote new iPad nine point seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11185">TS</a>]

03:06:28   inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11188">TS</a>]

03:06:29   you know that always also it's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11189">TS</a>]

03:06:31   strong differentiator to I'm a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11191">TS</a>]

03:06:32   queer thing that this more expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11192">TS</a>]

03:06:35   device does this this cheaper device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11195">TS</a>]

03:06:36   does not I could see them tossing if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11196">TS</a>]

03:06:39   they start at like fourteen fifteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11199">TS</a>]

03:06:41   sixteen hundred dollars I could see them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11201">TS</a>]

03:06:42   putting air putts in the box yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11202">TS</a>]

03:06:46   I mean I that would blow my it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11206">TS</a>]

03:06:48   blow my mind it was fifty hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11208">TS</a>]

03:06:49   dollars i guy was as thing like maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11209">TS</a>]

03:06:51   like a thousand or sores something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11211">TS</a>]

03:06:53   that maybe you're right maybe maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11213">TS</a>]

03:06:55   they'll go all out I think it makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11215">TS</a>]

03:06:57   lot more sense in fact I think if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11217">TS</a>]

03:06:59   gonna go for it go for it well here's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11219">TS</a>]

03:07:01   argument I've been thinking about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11221">TS</a>]

03:07:02   an awful lot is if it's only a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11222">TS</a>]

03:07:04   dollars more expensive like going from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11224">TS</a>]

03:07:05   the 7 to the 7 plus like getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11225">TS</a>]

03:07:08   plus-sized with the otherwise same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11228">TS</a>]

03:07:10   components is a hundred dollar upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11230">TS</a>]

03:07:11   right or is it a little more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11231">TS</a>]

03:07:13   hundred a hundred and twenty uh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11233">TS</a>]

03:07:14   yeah they did raise the price and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11234">TS</a>]

03:07:16   think that was a lesson for Apple too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11236">TS</a>]

03:07:18   they raised the price and it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11238">TS</a>]

03:07:19   matter they actually sold even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11239">TS</a>]

03:07:22   pluses this year than than last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11242">TS</a>]

03:07:23   right I don't really speaking I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11243">TS</a>]

03:07:26   has to be so much more expensive that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11246">TS</a>]

03:07:27   keeps people from buying it that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11247">TS</a>]

03:07:29   say I can I'm not there's no way I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11249">TS</a>]

03:07:31   buying I love it that looks amazing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11251">TS</a>]

03:07:32   I'm not spending sixteen hundred dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11252">TS</a>]

03:07:34   on an iPhone and and therefore it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11254">TS</a>]

03:07:37   ship in much lower quantities yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11257">TS</a>]

03:07:41   because if it's only a hundred dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11261">TS</a>]

03:07:42   more everybody would buy it everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11262">TS</a>]

03:07:44   not everybody but an enormous number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11264">TS</a>]

03:07:47   people who would have otherwise but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11267">TS</a>]

03:07:50   second level the one that's the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11270">TS</a>]

03:07:52   phones that are level down they're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11272">TS</a>]

03:07:54   just going to get the one that's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11274">TS</a>]

03:07:55   expensive it can't just be $100 more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11275">TS</a>]

03:07:57   expensive if they're also doing if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11277">TS</a>]

03:07:59   they're really doing three new phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11279">TS</a>]

03:08:02   yeah yeah the Apple it's really the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11282">TS</a>]

03:08:05   whole Apple pricing curve is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11285">TS</a>]

03:08:06   fascinating because again it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11286">TS</a>]

03:08:08   monopoly right there you if you want iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11288">TS</a>]

03:08:11   you only have one choice so the optimal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11291">TS</a>]

03:08:15   where does Apple sign the right line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11295">TS</a>]

03:08:18   between uh you know maximizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11298">TS</a>]

03:08:22   maximizing profit which by the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11302">TS</a>]

03:08:24   like the maximizing profit price is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11304">TS</a>]

03:08:26   always going to be higher than what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11306">TS</a>]

03:08:29   would be in a more competitive well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11309">TS</a>]

03:08:31   obviously you're gonna sell fewer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11311">TS</a>]

03:08:34   devices but your your your total profits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11314">TS</a>]

03:08:35   gonna be more uh yet but they've your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11315">TS</a>]

03:08:37   they've never as I said before they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11317">TS</a>]

03:08:40   never really pushed the high end but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11320">TS</a>]

03:08:41   you're right with the plus they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11321">TS</a>]

03:08:43   did push it up 100 and they pushed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11323">TS</a>]

03:08:44   another $30 and it has not only in its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11324">TS</a>]

03:08:49   increased sales it hasn't decreased them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11329">TS</a>]

03:08:51   which is like how much more Headroom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11331">TS</a>]

03:08:53   might they have it might be a lot and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11333">TS</a>]

03:08:55   think it makes a lot of the more I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11335">TS</a>]

03:08:57   about it the more I think it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11337">TS</a>]

03:08:58   be you know who knows or maybe be $2,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11338">TS</a>]

03:09:01   I don't know maybe be crazy expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11341">TS</a>]

03:09:02   you know because they're going to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11342">TS</a>]

03:09:04   stuff into it that they cannot they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11344">TS</a>]

03:09:06   can't put in a $700 phone and or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11346">TS</a>]

03:09:10   know cost wise and or they simply cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11350">TS</a>]

03:09:13   make in sufficient quantity there's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11353">TS</a>]

03:09:15   know they sold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11355">TS</a>]

03:09:15   I think 77 million phones in the holiday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11355">TS</a>]

03:09:18   quarter last year something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11358">TS</a>]

03:09:20   seventy some million what if there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11360">TS</a>]

03:09:23   some kind of cool new technology but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11363">TS</a>]

03:09:25   they can only reasonably expect to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11365">TS</a>]

03:09:27   maybe five million of them in the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11367">TS</a>]

03:09:29   quarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11369">TS</a>]

03:09:29   you know then they'd have to they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11369">TS</a>]

03:09:32   either not make the device and and stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11372">TS</a>]

03:09:35   to what they can make in in quantities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11375">TS</a>]

03:09:38   like 70 million or they could price the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11378">TS</a>]

03:09:41   device at a point where five million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11381">TS</a>]

03:09:43   would be closer to the where supply and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11383">TS</a>]

03:09:46   demand me yeah if that or arrow could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11386">TS</a>]

03:09:50   just be that they they want to make more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11390">TS</a>]

03:09:51   money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11391">TS</a>]

03:09:51   I mean well they remember to this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11391">TS</a>]

03:09:53   company that's sold $20,000 gold Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11393">TS</a>]

03:09:56   watches I mean I'm excited you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11396">TS</a>]

03:09:59   they still you know they have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11399">TS</a>]

03:10:00   addition now I mean and you know if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11400">TS</a>]

03:10:02   called it the iPhone addition and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11402">TS</a>]

03:10:04   maybe they'll charge $2,500 for it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11404">TS</a>]

03:10:06   don't know and maybe will be ceramic I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11406">TS</a>]

03:10:08   mean I remember the I can remember what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11408">TS</a>]

03:10:11   his name is the great guy who writes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11411">TS</a>]

03:10:12   those brilliant konishiki articles yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11412">TS</a>]

03:10:14   he had a shot down the whole ceramic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11414">TS</a>]

03:10:16   iPhone thing and you know a big part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11416">TS</a>]

03:10:19   his point was about was about volume and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11419">TS</a>]

03:10:20   like there's no way if they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11420">TS</a>]

03:10:22   actually gonna do is add volume one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11422">TS</a>]

03:10:24   be almost impossible but to like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11424">TS</a>]

03:10:26   would definitely know about it uh but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11426">TS</a>]

03:10:28   it's a women in addition $1500 phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11428">TS</a>]

03:10:33   well Apple could probably pull that off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11433">TS</a>]

03:10:35   much more easily if they're already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11435">TS</a>]

03:10:37   making what's already making the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11437">TS</a>]

03:10:38   right it's not even it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11438">TS</a>]

03:10:40   something that sells in so few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11440">TS</a>]

03:10:42   quantities because it has to because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11442">TS</a>]

03:10:43   like maybe it's ceramics maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11443">TS</a>]

03:10:45   these OLED screens whatever else the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11445">TS</a>]

03:10:47   thing they have I don't know what if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11447">TS</a>]

03:10:49   cost three thousand dollars and this axe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11449">TS</a>]

03:10:52   the Apple 2 Edition might so my wife my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11452">TS</a>]

03:10:53   wife actually has it uh it's it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11453">TS</a>]

03:10:55   good I think it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11455">TS</a>]

03:10:56   but I mean better than the the gold ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11456">TS</a>]

03:10:59   just looked wrong yeah I say I agree but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11459">TS</a>]

03:11:02   the the white ceramic with its it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11462">TS</a>]

03:11:05   really really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11465">TS</a>]

03:11:06   and it pairs with all the straps and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11466">TS</a>]

03:11:08   looks fantastic a phone that looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11468">TS</a>]

03:11:10   that would be would be it'd be hot yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11470">TS</a>]

03:11:14   it looks somehow to me I've always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11474">TS</a>]

03:11:16   a fan of the black phones and to me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11476">TS</a>]

03:11:19   just don't like the way that the black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11479">TS</a>]

03:11:21   rectangle of the screen looks surrounded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11481">TS</a>]

03:11:24   by a white bezel I don't like it on iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11484">TS</a>]

03:11:26   I just don't it's a personal thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11486">TS</a>]

03:11:28   whereas on that the edition watch the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11488">TS</a>]

03:11:31   way that the black and the white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11491">TS</a>]

03:11:32   integrate because it's not really a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11492">TS</a>]

03:11:34   black rectangle surrounded by white it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11494">TS</a>]

03:11:36   that black sapphire piece on top with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11496">TS</a>]

03:11:38   the black screen it rice really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11498">TS</a>]

03:11:41   yeah it may just the watch usually kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11501">TS</a>]

03:11:44   of has an offset color for the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11504">TS</a>]

03:11:46   face anyways yeah it's uh maybe Fisher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11506">TS</a>]

03:11:48   sort of expectations for the wrist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11508">TS</a>]

03:11:50   anyway so watch this become tight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11510">TS</a>]

03:11:53   Business Insider to headline tomorrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11513">TS</a>]

03:11:55   John Gruber says iPhone edition set cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11515">TS</a>]

03:11:58   three thousand dollars now all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11518">TS</a>]

03:12:01   I'm literally nobody is ever I have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11521">TS</a>]

03:12:04   source on this whatsoever I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11524">TS</a>]

03:12:06   speculating I'm just saying it wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11526">TS</a>]

03:12:08   shock me and I would relish the I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11528">TS</a>]

03:12:12   just love the the post keynote reaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11532">TS</a>]

03:12:15   and III I mean I'm talking myself into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11535">TS</a>]

03:12:19   my own self created rumor but this idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11539">TS</a>]

03:12:21   of it being a being ceramic being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11541">TS</a>]

03:12:24   different material yeah I think would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11544">TS</a>]

03:12:25   really help them and know what off it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11545">TS</a>]

03:12:28   anybody talking about the material of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11548">TS</a>]

03:12:30   the phone I don't think that they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11550">TS</a>]

03:12:31   and they're talking about glass backs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11551">TS</a>]

03:12:33   but the glass back rumor seems to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11553">TS</a>]

03:12:35   about the the you know regular level new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11555">TS</a>]

03:12:38   iPhones right it's a way to get away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11558">TS</a>]

03:12:40   with selling again I think like I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11560">TS</a>]

03:12:42   this high-end phone is gonna like be it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11562">TS</a>]

03:12:44   would be a huge hit in China for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11564">TS</a>]

03:12:46   these status sort of conferring reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11566">TS</a>]

03:12:47   I just I just discussed and this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11567">TS</a>]

03:12:50   way to get away with that without that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11570">TS</a>]

03:12:53   was thinking about the whole pencil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11573">TS</a>]

03:12:54   thing right and I don't think Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11574">TS</a>]

03:12:56   wants to do that on the phone either I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11576">TS</a>]

03:12:57   should think about the what is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11577">TS</a>]

03:12:58   be the what's going to be the cell to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11578">TS</a>]

03:13:01   justify it being so much more expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11581">TS</a>]

03:13:04   whereas if it's a completely different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11584">TS</a>]

03:13:05   material uh in the case you know I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11585">TS</a>]

03:13:09   that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11589">TS</a>]

03:13:10   you could especially since they already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11590">TS</a>]

03:13:12   set the precedent with the watch right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11592">TS</a>]

03:13:13   how much does it cost like 1200 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11593">TS</a>]

03:13:15   something so it's it's it's four times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11595">TS</a>]

03:13:17   as much as the as the base watch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11597">TS</a>]

03:13:19   much more a much more reasonable spread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11599">TS</a>]

03:13:22   in price I would say than the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11602">TS</a>]

03:13:24   original edition to say the least and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11604">TS</a>]

03:13:26   you could see a similar thing I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11606">TS</a>]

03:13:29   that it would be a thing they could pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11609">TS</a>]

03:13:30   that off people would be Wes they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11610">TS</a>]

03:13:32   lose their shit they would loot with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11612">TS</a>]

03:13:34   Cayman square properly they would lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11614">TS</a>]

03:13:36   their shit because the price is so high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11616">TS</a>]

03:13:38   but it would be like how on earth are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11618">TS</a>]

03:13:41   they can even contemplate just fine it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11621">TS</a>]

03:13:43   like wow they actually actually went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11623">TS</a>]

03:13:45   there as opposed to I don't understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11625">TS</a>]

03:13:47   this doesn't make any sense right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11627">TS</a>]

03:13:48   then I guarantee you that the thing I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11628">TS</a>]

03:13:51   cited it to I think it's such a lovely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11631">TS</a>]

03:13:52   lovely a little quote but the Andy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11632">TS</a>]

03:13:56   Warhol quote about coke being like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11636">TS</a>]

03:13:59   greatest American product because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11639">TS</a>]

03:14:00   there's just one type of coke and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11640">TS</a>]

03:14:02   the best it's the best soda and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11642">TS</a>]

03:14:06   that the bum on the street drinks the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11646">TS</a>]

03:14:07   exact same coke that the president [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11647">TS</a>]

03:14:09   drinks that Liz Taylor drinks nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11649">TS</a>]

03:14:11   else you know nobody can get a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11651">TS</a>]

03:14:12   coke and like with the Apple watch I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11652">TS</a>]

03:14:18   so much stuff from readers who are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11658">TS</a>]

03:14:19   this is a complete violation of Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11659">TS</a>]

03:14:21   principles because apples always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11661">TS</a>]

03:14:22   like coke in that regard where you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11662">TS</a>]

03:14:24   get the you know you can get the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11664">TS</a>]

03:14:27   phone in the world and you pay the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11667">TS</a>]

03:14:29   that people buy for other phones you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11669">TS</a>]

03:14:31   know president United States can't get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11671">TS</a>]

03:14:33   better cell phone than then you can but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11673">TS</a>]

03:14:35   if you're going to sell it for three or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11675">TS</a>]

03:14:36   four thousand dollars and all of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11676">TS</a>]

03:14:38   sudden you're you know cutting people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11678">TS</a>]

03:14:40   off from the best but trust me happily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11680">TS</a>]

03:14:43   but apples already no crossed that well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11683">TS</a>]

03:14:46   no but they didn't though because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11686">TS</a>]

03:14:47   low-end watch was still the same you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11687">TS</a>]

03:14:49   could get the exact same functionality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11689">TS</a>]

03:14:51   and that because Apple at the end of day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11691">TS</a>]

03:14:53   is a software company right and and but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11693">TS</a>]

03:14:55   this is so interesting is what if maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11695">TS</a>]

03:14:59   this high-end phone there are no other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11699">TS</a>]

03:15:01   differences right like maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11701">TS</a>]

03:15:03   hardware is completely the same it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11703">TS</a>]

03:15:04   just material and what whether because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11704">TS</a>]

03:15:06   the problem is Apple's market in China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11706">TS</a>]

03:15:08   is just different than the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11708">TS</a>]

03:15:10   world so again I think if they do this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11710">TS</a>]

03:15:13   really think it's a China thing because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11713">TS</a>]

03:15:14   in China they are competing on brand in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11714">TS</a>]

03:15:17   status so in that case you don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11717">TS</a>]

03:15:20   be Andy Warhol you don't want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11720">TS</a>]

03:15:22   anywhere else coke you want to be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11722">TS</a>]

03:15:23   to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11723">TS</a>]

03:15:24   create a special coke that people will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11724">TS</a>]

03:15:26   pay lots of money to get my house they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11726">TS</a>]

03:15:29   did I fired swear that circle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11729">TS</a>]

03:15:31   I've tossed the I've tossed it out we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11731">TS</a>]

03:15:33   defending even obviously was a mistake I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11733">TS</a>]

03:15:36   don't think it was wrong to try though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11736">TS</a>]

03:15:38   with the solid gold edition' and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11738">TS</a>]

03:15:40   the ceramic is a terrific second stab at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11740">TS</a>]

03:15:45   the same idea but to me it's not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11745">TS</a>]

03:15:48   you're getting a better coke it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11748">TS</a>]

03:15:49   exactly gig you said like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11749">TS</a>]

03:15:51   because of the software and because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11751">TS</a>]

03:15:53   CPU is the same and everything it's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11753">TS</a>]

03:15:55   like drinking your coke out of a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11755">TS</a>]

03:15:56   fancy goblet as opposed I exactly I'm on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11756">TS</a>]

03:15:59   the street is drinking it out of the can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11759">TS</a>]

03:16:01   it's just both getting the same coke but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11761">TS</a>]

03:16:03   the person drinking it out of the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11763">TS</a>]

03:16:06   know gold rimmed goblet is you know paid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11766">TS</a>]

03:16:09   for the rapper one thing that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11769">TS</a>]

03:16:11   different would be the display because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11771">TS</a>]

03:16:12   every all the rumors point to to the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11772">TS</a>]

03:16:16   know the to regular ought new iPhones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11776">TS</a>]

03:16:17   having the same size 4.7 and 5.5 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11777">TS</a>]

03:16:20   displays and the 5.8 inch super fancy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11780">TS</a>]

03:16:24   you know edge to edge display would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11784">TS</a>]

03:16:26   on the new one but I wouldn't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11786">TS</a>]

03:16:28   surprised if it as the exact same system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11788">TS</a>]

03:16:29   on a chip and same RAM and same storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11789">TS</a>]

03:16:31   and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11791">TS</a>]

03:16:32   well III yeah I may be there so yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11792">TS</a>]

03:16:35   don't know right I see I've always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11795">TS</a>]

03:16:37   skeptical of the 7s and 7s plus having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11797">TS</a>]

03:16:41   the same four factor as a seven there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11801">TS</a>]

03:16:43   being a new form factor at the very high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11803">TS</a>]

03:16:45   end because we already saw how that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11805">TS</a>]

03:16:47   plays out with with the the 5c it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11807">TS</a>]

03:16:49   it it's well I didn't say same form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11809">TS</a>]

03:16:52   factor and the rumors don't say same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11812">TS</a>]

03:16:53   form factor the rumors just say same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11813">TS</a>]

03:16:55   screen sizes got it oh yeah yeah we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11815">TS</a>]

03:16:59   see I mean I do this is pure speculation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11819">TS</a>]

03:17:02   as I think we said the beginning we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11822">TS</a>]

03:17:04   would say again I do completely making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11824">TS</a>]

03:17:06   this stuff up uh but I yeah it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11826">TS</a>]

03:17:08   just seem to make much more sense to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11828">TS</a>]

03:17:10   that the only differentiation being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11830">TS</a>]

03:17:12   materials but maybe you're right maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11832">TS</a>]

03:17:14   maybe it's bigger and bigger is better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11834">TS</a>]

03:17:16   in China is also will note I mean this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11836">TS</a>]

03:17:19   the people you can care about getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11839">TS</a>]

03:17:23   like a small form-factor like the se [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11843">TS</a>]

03:17:25   phone if you're not using your phone for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11845">TS</a>]

03:17:27   everything right that that almost comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11847">TS</a>]

03:17:29   with the presumption that you're using a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11849">TS</a>]

03:17:31   PC regularly if you're or an iPad or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11851">TS</a>]

03:17:33   whatever if you want a smaller phone if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11853">TS</a>]

03:17:36   the phone is actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11856">TS</a>]

03:17:38   what you use all the time and it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11858">TS</a>]

03:17:40   key to your life and everything that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11860">TS</a>]

03:17:41   do both inside the house and outside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11861">TS</a>]

03:17:43   house you want the bigger if you want a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11863">TS</a>]

03:17:45   bigger screen like there's just no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11865">TS</a>]

03:17:46   there's no ifs ands or buts about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11866">TS</a>]

03:17:48   all right Ben Thompson the Todd Vaziri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11868">TS</a>]

03:17:51   is going to be very happy Todd Vaziri is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11871">TS</a>]

03:17:54   the talk show listener who periodically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11874">TS</a>]

03:17:56   charts episode lengths over time but is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11876">TS</a>]

03:18:00   usually whenever I post a long episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11880">TS</a>]

03:18:03   usually he usually deems me I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11883">TS</a>]

03:18:05   just a thumbs up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11885">TS</a>]

03:18:06   no no context no reference I just get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11886">TS</a>]

03:18:08   I get a thumbs up from todd Vaziri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11888">TS</a>]

03:18:11   that's buddy I predict this will be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11891">TS</a>]

03:18:13   thumbs up episode everybody can read you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11893">TS</a>]

03:18:15   and your your fine work at strattera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11895">TS</a>]

03:18:19   just this search for Ben Thompson on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11899">TS</a>]

03:18:21   Google for Ben Thompson wait I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11901">TS</a>]

03:18:24   what the first times eyes on I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11904">TS</a>]

03:18:25   misspelled search a curry and I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11905">TS</a>]

03:18:27   went and bought the misspelled domain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11907">TS</a>]

03:18:30   and I spelled it wrong and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11910">TS</a>]

03:18:32   directed it to my site yeah just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11912">TS</a>]

03:18:34   prevent on something you can't go wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11914">TS</a>]

03:18:35   and we've got at Ben Thompson on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11915">TS</a>]

03:18:38   a fine Twitter account and then there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11918">TS</a>]

03:18:39   also your no tech Ben Twitter account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11919">TS</a>]

03:18:42   where you tweet about the NBA who ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11922">TS</a>]

03:18:45   thinks going to win that NBA this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11925">TS</a>]

03:18:47   Oh Warriors alright I think they're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11927">TS</a>]

03:18:50   very heavy favorite Sunday night it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11930">TS</a>]

03:18:53   would be amazing and phenomenal if if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11933">TS</a>]

03:18:55   the Cavs rate will not come off but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11935">TS</a>]

03:18:56   mean I think they have to be the oops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11936">TS</a>]

03:18:58   they have to be the very heavy favorites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11938">TS</a>]

03:18:59   yeah what's going on with the Spurs why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11939">TS</a>]

03:19:01   this first struggling well the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11941">TS</a>]

03:19:04   the problem the Spurs at a very high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11944">TS</a>]

03:19:07   level is they don't have very dynamic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11947">TS</a>]

03:19:08   guard play because their guards got old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11948">TS</a>]

03:19:10   and now Tony Parker's injured which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11950">TS</a>]

03:19:12   very sad but the I think another problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11952">TS</a>]

03:19:14   is the Spurs system is so their system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11954">TS</a>]

03:19:18   is so amazing and everyone plays well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11958">TS</a>]

03:19:20   and they always have amazing bench units [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11960">TS</a>]

03:19:22   and I think a lot of the reason in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11962">TS</a>]

03:19:24   regular season they're just better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11964">TS</a>]

03:19:25   prepared and deeper than all the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11965">TS</a>]

03:19:27   teams so they just win lots of games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11967">TS</a>]

03:19:29   because of the system the problem is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11969">TS</a>]

03:19:31   when you get to the playoffs the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11971">TS</a>]

03:19:33   rotations become shorter you play fewer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11973">TS</a>]

03:19:35   players sometimes you play too few like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11975">TS</a>]

03:19:37   I think the Spurs won last night because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11977">TS</a>]

03:19:39   the Rockets just got too tired they only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11979">TS</a>]

03:19:41   played seven people right so some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11981">TS</a>]

03:19:42   players but once you have the playoffs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11982">TS</a>]

03:19:44   the it's it's not the median versus the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11984">TS</a>]

03:19:48   median where's the regular season it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11988">TS</a>]

03:19:49   kind of like the system in the play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11989">TS</a>]

03:19:51   it's the best versus the best you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11991">TS</a>]

03:19:52   playing your best guys they're playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11992">TS</a>]

03:19:53   more minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11993">TS</a>]

03:19:54   you're expressly game planning for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11994">TS</a>]

03:19:56   opponent attacking their weaknesses and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11996">TS</a>]

03:19:58   picking on them again and again and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11998">TS</a>]

03:19:59   again and so the playoffs are just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/11999">TS</a>]

03:20:01   very different than regular season that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12001">TS</a>]

03:20:03   I think they have a hard time going up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12003">TS</a>]

03:20:05   to another level because they're already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12005">TS</a>]

03:20:07   at such a high level yeah the intensity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12007">TS</a>]

03:20:09   is so much higher that it tends to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12009">TS</a>]

03:20:11   the games closer and then you get in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12011">TS</a>]

03:20:13   fourth quarter and it really just comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12013">TS</a>]

03:20:14   down to you know your best five or six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12014">TS</a>]

03:20:16   against the other best five or six yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12016">TS</a>]

03:20:18   in just the whole game because a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12018">TS</a>]

03:20:20   Spurs in the regular season in like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12020">TS</a>]

03:20:22   second and fourth quarter when the bench [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12022">TS</a>]

03:20:23   units are in they'll often blow the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12023">TS</a>]

03:20:25   open yeah but in the in the playoffs the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12025">TS</a>]

03:20:28   those time periods are very very short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12028">TS</a>]

03:20:31   so I mean this spurt the Spurs are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12031">TS</a>]

03:20:33   amazing they they've won four or five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12033">TS</a>]

03:20:35   titles people think five titles in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12035">TS</a>]

03:20:38   last you know whatever number of years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12038">TS</a>]

03:20:40   the NBA it's unbelievably difficult to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12040">TS</a>]

03:20:42   win a title like four teams account for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12042">TS</a>]

03:20:44   like 70% of all the titles because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12044">TS</a>]

03:20:48   just it's so dependent on having the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12048">TS</a>]

03:20:50   best player that a best player or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12050">TS</a>]

03:20:53   collection of best players just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12053">TS</a>]

03:20:54   dominates for for for a long time right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12054">TS</a>]

03:20:57   but the Spurs that have also in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12057">TS</a>]

03:20:59   time period they've won a lot they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12059">TS</a>]

03:21:00   also lost a lot even when the higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12060">TS</a>]

03:21:02   seed and I think it's because of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12062">TS</a>]

03:21:06   they're great they perform at such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12066">TS</a>]

03:21:08   high level with such consistency that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12068">TS</a>]

03:21:10   they dominate the regular season again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12070">TS</a>]

03:21:12   and again but that is less meaningful in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12072">TS</a>]

03:21:15   a playoff context do you think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12075">TS</a>]

03:21:17   Warriors lose a game before the finals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12077">TS</a>]

03:21:19   uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12079">TS</a>]

03:21:21   I don't if I uh I think it would I take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12081">TS</a>]

03:21:28   an injury or something somebody's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12088">TS</a>]

03:21:29   to somebody would have to get in the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12089">TS</a>]

03:21:31   they're playing now there's no one in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12091">TS</a>]

03:21:32   the West who's going to win a game from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12092">TS</a>]

03:21:33   yeah they're the probably the best bet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12093">TS</a>]

03:21:37   is Houston gets there and they just make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12097">TS</a>]

03:21:39   like thirty threes in a game right um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12099">TS</a>]

03:21:41   and it just just through sheer shooting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12101">TS</a>]

03:21:45   so I think it'd be a reasonable bet um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12105">TS</a>]

03:21:48   but yeah there was that game a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12108">TS</a>]

03:21:50   months ago yeah again the regular season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12110">TS</a>]

03:21:51   so it'll can't take too much from it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12111">TS</a>]

03:21:53   where the Spurs jumped out like a twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12113">TS</a>]

03:21:55   five to three weed on the Warriors and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12115">TS</a>]

03:21:57   the Warriors ended up winning by like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12117">TS</a>]

03:21:59   fifteen that's right it that it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12119">TS</a>]

03:22:02   is just the morale it had to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12122">TS</a>]

03:22:03   demoralizing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12123">TS</a>]

03:22:04   is demoralizing as a vassal fast like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12124">TS</a>]

03:22:06   yeah that's it's over all right I look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12126">TS</a>]

03:22:09   forward to seeing you next month in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12129">TS</a>]

03:22:12   person yes I will I will see you soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+B7ND7mv8w/12132">TS</a>]