Hello Internet

00:00:00 ◼   ► are you ready for my prepared statement

00:00:01 ◼   ► about the news Brady have you been right

00:00:04 ◼   ► it's like what you've been doing the

00:00:05 ◼   ► last three or four days just just just

00:00:08 ◼   ► handing it that's right yeah I have a

00:00:10 ◼   ► have an opening statement about the news

00:00:12 ◼   ► okay there's 20,000 words and I will I

00:00:16 ◼   ► will truck no direct response afterward

00:00:20 ◼   ► put a big piece of gaff tape over my

00:00:23 ◼   ► mouth

00:00:24 ◼   ► I have penguin news this is gonna be

00:00:28 ◼   ► penguin ooh

00:00:29 ◼   ► a shaggy dog story okay I'll get

00:00:32 ◼   ► comfortable and I've thought about how

00:00:34 ◼   ► to tell that but I've decided to tell it

00:00:36 ◼   ► chronologically so you can experience it

00:00:39 ◼   ► as I experienced it so very very quick

00:00:42 ◼   ► background ER for people who are new to

00:00:44 ◼   ► the podcast a couple of years back now I

00:00:46 ◼   ► think it was gray and I were involved in

00:00:48 ◼   ► a fundraising event at Bristol Zoo

00:00:50 ◼   ► raising money for South African penguins

00:00:53 ◼   ► which I found I actually have the

00:00:54 ◼   ► nickname jackass penguins because of the

00:00:56 ◼   ► noise they make which was new

00:00:58 ◼   ► information to me okay anyway and to

00:01:02 ◼   ► thank us for helping with the

00:01:03 ◼   ► fundraising the zoo took the very

00:01:06 ◼   ► unusual step of naming one of their

00:01:08 ◼   ► newborn penguins

00:01:09 ◼   ► CGP grey this was only the second time

00:01:12 ◼   ► they've ever named a penguin the other

00:01:14 ◼   ► one that has a name is the generic one

00:01:16 ◼   ► that anyone who sponsors penguins gets a

00:01:18 ◼   ► certificate about so having a name was a

00:01:20 ◼   ► big deal we were very grateful and I

00:01:23 ◼   ► promised to sort of follow the Penguins

00:01:25 ◼   ► progress and I have to admit besides

00:01:27 ◼   ► getting some video of its first weigh-in

00:01:30 ◼   ► and revealing the fact that the penguin

00:01:32 ◼   ► was a lady mm-hmm that was pretty much

00:01:35 ◼   ► the last we spoke about

00:01:36 ◼   ► CGP grey the lady penguin yes you gave

00:01:40 ◼   ► me a bit of a ribbing about not

00:01:41 ◼   ► following it very closely but anyway

00:01:43 ◼   ► only because you said you were going to

00:01:46 ◼   ► take up the mantle of regular reports

00:01:48 ◼   ► otherwise I would I would not have

00:01:49 ◼   ► ribbed you okay Hey look I deserve I

00:01:52 ◼   ► deserved it I'll take it you got you got

00:01:55 ◼   ► me anyway some news came to hand a few

00:01:58 ◼   ► weeks ago who was spotted by the Thames

00:02:00 ◼   ► not by us that as a result of a tragedy

00:02:04 ◼   ► in the capital of Georgia city called

00:02:06 ◼   ► Tbilisi where there was serious serious

00:02:09 ◼   ► flooding in which many humans died but

00:02:11 ◼   ► it also was very very devastating

00:02:13 ◼   ► for their zoo they lost many many of

00:02:16 ◼   ► their animals and as a result the people

00:02:19 ◼   ► that oversee zoos in Europe asked all

00:02:21 ◼   ► the other European zoos to help them

00:02:23 ◼   ► repopulate their animal population and

00:02:27 ◼   ► Bristol Zoo was kind of requestor but

00:02:31 ◼   ► also kind of instructed because how it

00:02:33 ◼   ► works to give a certain number of their

00:02:36 ◼   ► penguins to Tbilisi zoo which Bristol

00:02:41 ◼   ► Zoo did this came to our attention and

00:02:43 ◼   ► of course the first thing we wondered

00:02:45 ◼   ► was was CGP grey among the Penguins

00:02:47 ◼   ► shipped to Tbilisi and we didn't know

00:02:50 ◼   ► there's the background what has happened

00:02:54 ◼   ► since here we go okay it was story all

00:02:58 ◼   ► right so the story has not yet begun the

00:03:00 ◼   ► story hasn't again that was the vectra's

00:03:03 ◼   ► was the background okay yeah now in true

00:03:06 ◼   ► investigative nature some some of the

00:03:08 ◼   ► more zealous fans of the podcast started

00:03:12 ◼   ► trying to make contact with Tbilisi Zoo

00:03:14 ◼   ► and I saw on reddit someone had

00:03:16 ◼   ► contacted the zoo through Facebook and

00:03:18 ◼   ► said is CGP grey the penguin with you

00:03:21 ◼   ► this is easy to find out because CGP

00:03:24 ◼   ► grey the penguin has a name tag or a

00:03:26 ◼   ► number tag on the wing a two oh five

00:03:29 ◼   ► eight three right it's the wing number

00:03:31 ◼   ► anyway so you could look up databases in

00:03:33 ◼   ► there and the word from Tbilisi was

00:03:34 ◼   ► apparently this was their answer I

00:03:36 ◼   ► couldn't read it because it wasn't in

00:03:38 ◼   ► English but their answer was CGP grey

00:03:40 ◼   ► the penguin is not here apparently the

00:03:43 ◼   ► zoo has a popular penguin that it wasn't

00:03:45 ◼   ► willing to send presumably CGP grey so

00:03:48 ◼   ► CGP grey is still in bristol uh-huh and

00:03:50 ◼   ► there was all chat on reddit about her

00:03:52 ◼   ► and it was problem solved and well done

00:03:54 ◼   ► and a second person said actually my

00:03:56 ◼   ► mum's friend works at Tbilisi Zoo

00:03:59 ◼   ► amazingly they also made some inquiries

00:04:02 ◼   ► and confirmed that CGP grey wasn't set

00:04:04 ◼   ► okay I had been trying to contact

00:04:08 ◼   ► Bristol Zoo I'd sent some emails to

00:04:10 ◼   ► various people in their media department

00:04:13 ◼   ► I wasn't getting replies I wasn't happy

00:04:17 ◼   ► about not getting replies you were not

00:04:19 ◼   ► getting the reserved don't say it I just

00:04:22 ◼   ► want to say cuz I like I know that tone

00:04:24 ◼   ► of voice I like these people are not

00:04:26 ◼   ► responding to my emails quick

00:04:27 ◼   ► enough I know I know how you get pretty

00:04:30 ◼   ► anyway and then I thought this is not

00:04:33 ◼   ► the brainy way to be crowdsourcing

00:04:36 ◼   ► hearsay on reddit or to be waiting for

00:04:39 ◼   ► press people to maybe reply and maybe

00:04:42 ◼   ► not especially when the zoo is only 20

00:04:43 ◼   ► minutes from my house so I this was a

00:04:46 ◼   ► call to arms and I thought I'm not just

00:04:48 ◼   ► gonna sit here I'm gonna be a man of

00:04:50 ◼   ► action I'm going to go to the zoo I'm

00:04:52 ◼   ► going to find the penguin so I got my

00:04:56 ◼   ► camera with my long lens Wow

00:04:58 ◼   ► so okay so I could zoom in I've got a

00:05:00 ◼   ► special new super long lens and you know

00:05:03 ◼   ► I'm not going to deny I made bit of a

00:05:05 ◼   ► hoo-ha on Twitter and on snapchat about

00:05:08 ◼   ► it made a big deal saying that's it I'm

00:05:10 ◼   ► coming to the zoo this ends today I said

00:05:13 ◼   ► I took pictures on the way as I crossed

00:05:15 ◼   ► the suspension bridge and I was going in

00:05:17 ◼   ► so I'm you know I was I was not quiet

00:05:19 ◼   ► about the fact I was doing this were you

00:05:21 ◼   ► making

00:05:21 ◼   ► snapchat story about it were you doing

00:05:24 ◼   ► that I was I wasn't a snapchat story I'm

00:05:26 ◼   ► okay lie so I arrived at the zoo half

00:05:29 ◼   ► expecting them to be waiting for me

00:05:31 ◼   ► right with a red Carson head I

00:05:33 ◼   ► understand yeah well no not necessarily

00:05:34 ◼   ► the red car but I thought maybe it would

00:05:36 ◼   ► be a bit more defensive than that the

00:05:38 ◼   ► people on Twitter had seen my comments

00:05:40 ◼   ► and it's at all well we've seen your

00:05:42 ◼   ► email and we're going to get back to you

00:05:43 ◼   ► and I'm like now you've had your chance

00:05:45 ◼   ► and I've played on went straight to the

00:05:48 ◼   ► penguin enclosure long-lens uh-huh

00:05:51 ◼   ► and actually it was feeding time when I

00:05:53 ◼   ► got there and I said to the woman

00:05:54 ◼   ► feeding Oh have you said I'm looking for

00:05:56 ◼   ► a specific penguin and she was like she

00:05:59 ◼   ► wasn't having any of it she was like oh

00:06:00 ◼   ► I'm not the usual penguin keeper I can't

00:06:02 ◼   ► help ya she could hey I just love I love

00:06:05 ◼   ► the idea from this person's perspective

00:06:07 ◼   ► that like a crazy man with a telephoto

00:06:09 ◼   ► lens like I'm here for a specific

00:06:11 ◼   ► penguin yeah yeah anyway so I got out

00:06:16 ◼   ► the long lens and I started zooming in

00:06:18 ◼   ► on and then there's loads of penguins

00:06:20 ◼   ► there yeah then it turns out it turns

00:06:23 ◼   ► out even with the long lens it was quite

00:06:24 ◼   ► hard to read the numbers and also the

00:06:26 ◼   ► penguins don't make your job any easier

00:06:28 ◼   ► like they face the way they want to face

00:06:30 ◼   ► branding that's it that's the way they

00:06:31 ◼   ► can her face so I was always waiting for

00:06:33 ◼   ► penguins to turn around but sometimes

00:06:35 ◼   ► the wing tag is flat the wrong way

00:06:36 ◼   ► around and it's in there like wing pit

00:06:38 ◼   ► like in that

00:06:40 ◼   ► okay and so for those ones I had to wait

00:06:41 ◼   ► for them to flap their wings to even get

00:06:43 ◼   ► a look at the number some of them didn't

00:06:45 ◼   ► seem to have a number they just had like

00:06:47 ◼   ► a a wing band with no number written on

00:06:49 ◼   ► ER and I was wearing that might be CGP

00:06:51 ◼   ► grey huh and just as I was giving up

00:06:53 ◼   ► hope this penguin steps out from behind

00:06:56 ◼   ► the wall and I look at the number that's

00:06:58 ◼   ► the number I've been looking for ends

00:06:59 ◼   ► with the three and it's got all the

00:07:01 ◼   ► thing I start taking loads and loads of

00:07:03 ◼   ► pictures of it it even starts posing for

00:07:05 ◼   ► me I go onto snapchat and say look who

00:07:07 ◼   ► it is and I like put a fun thing and I

00:07:09 ◼   ► you know make a big deal that I've found

00:07:11 ◼   ► the penguin huh then I think I haven't

00:07:13 ◼   ► got that I haven't got the killer photo

00:07:14 ◼   ► yet of the wing number on the thing so I

00:07:17 ◼   ► decided to get one more number before

00:07:19 ◼   ► leaving the zoo and when I go for that

00:07:21 ◼   ► photo and I look closely it turns out

00:07:23 ◼   ► that's not the number that uh it's out

00:07:25 ◼   ► by one digit it looked just like the

00:07:28 ◼   ► number but it was out but I double

00:07:29 ◼   ► checked I found my mistake okay so they

00:07:32 ◼   ► actually do just number them

00:07:33 ◼   ► sequentially they don't have check

00:07:34 ◼   ► digits or anything like that I don't

00:07:36 ◼   ► know this was a very similar number so

00:07:38 ◼   ► anyway back to square one some of them

00:07:40 ◼   ► are sleeping in their little hatches and

00:07:42 ◼   ► things I'm having to wait for them to

00:07:43 ◼   ► come out I must have been there 45

00:07:45 ◼   ► minutes and then suddenly these two

00:07:48 ◼   ► people appear behind me and this is a

00:07:51 ◼   ► older man and a younger lady who it

00:07:53 ◼   ► turns out is the social media manager

00:07:55 ◼   ► for you know the Twitter person and like

00:07:58 ◼   ► the head of communications with the zoo

00:07:59 ◼   ► and they're like oh you're Brady and I'm

00:08:03 ◼   ► like yeah I am

00:08:03 ◼   ► I was really friendly really friendly

00:08:05 ◼   ► yes I am I'm here looking for CTP great

00:08:08 ◼   ► the penguin and they're like yeah to me

00:08:11 ◼   ► you know can we have a chair and I'm

00:08:12 ◼   ► like yeah yeah sure we can late and they

00:08:14 ◼   ► wanted to take me away from the penguin

00:08:15 ◼   ► enclosure and I'm like oh we can chat

00:08:17 ◼   ► here and they're like no no let's go for

00:08:18 ◼   ► a chat

00:08:19 ◼   ► oh they took me ahead of the enclosure

00:08:21 ◼   ► we went cells bench right they want you

00:08:24 ◼   ► to have a seats there for a moment

00:08:26 ◼   ► before we talk to you yeah okay mmm and

00:08:28 ◼   ► I say before we go like is my penguin

00:08:30 ◼   ► there I want to take a picture of CGP

00:08:32 ◼   ► Grey and they say no it was you know in

00:08:33 ◼   ► the gone to Tbilisi and I'm like oh

00:08:35 ◼   ► that's great I thought they was scared

00:08:37 ◼   ► that I was going to be upset they'd sent

00:08:38 ◼   ► it to Tbilisi mm-hmm so I said don't

00:08:40 ◼   ► worry like gray and I'll be really happy

00:08:43 ◼   ► if it's going to timbala see we think

00:08:44 ◼   ► it's a really good story etc etc you

00:08:46 ◼   ► know we like that you know we'd like the

00:08:48 ◼   ► story then Merc head of communication

00:08:50 ◼   ► says well unfortunately CGP grey the

00:08:53 ◼   ► ping

00:08:54 ◼   ► and died on the trip to Tbilisi there

00:09:04 ◼   ► were 19 penguins sent three of them

00:09:06 ◼   ► actually died on this trip and one of

00:09:08 ◼   ► them CGP grey the penguin and I tell you

00:09:11 ◼   ► I have never I cannot think of a weird

00:09:14 ◼   ► time in my life then sitting on this

00:09:16 ◼   ► bench at the zoo with these two zoo

00:09:18 ◼   ► employees either side of me and it was

00:09:21 ◼   ► like in the movies like when the surgeon

00:09:22 ◼   ► comes out and says yeah that's that's

00:09:24 ◼   ► what it feels like that's what it feels

00:09:25 ◼   ► like it was just like that or like when

00:09:27 ◼   ► the police come and it was like and it

00:09:29 ◼   ► was really difficult because like they

00:09:31 ◼   ► would devastate to have to do this I

00:09:33 ◼   ► felt really bad for them and I was kind

00:09:36 ◼   ► of having to console them and I was

00:09:38 ◼   ► saying putting the armor inside don't

00:09:40 ◼   ► worry about it look you know this these

00:09:41 ◼   ► things happen and they're like we're so

00:09:43 ◼   ► sorry we should have told you we should

00:09:44 ◼   ► have told you we were moving it and we

00:09:46 ◼   ► should have told you what happened and

00:09:47 ◼   ► we're really you know we really said

00:09:48 ◼   ► that the Penguins died and was this

00:09:50 ◼   ► really weird thing and then they got

00:09:52 ◼   ► like the head of birds for the zoo to

00:09:55 ◼   ► come and meet me and give me like the

00:09:56 ◼   ► full story of everything that happened

00:09:58 ◼   ► and his assistant and we're having this

00:10:00 ◼   ► big long talk and we ended up talking

00:10:02 ◼   ► for like half an hour in great minutiae

00:10:05 ◼   ► about everything and then then I was

00:10:08 ◼   ► like well all right I guess I'll be

00:10:12 ◼   ► going now then sorry sorry that this

00:10:14 ◼   ► happened and I left the zoo and CGP grey

00:10:18 ◼   ► the lady penguin has died I feel very

00:10:21 ◼   ► strange about this I tell you what I the

00:10:23 ◼   ► more I think about it the sadder I feel

00:10:26 ◼   ► because you know when that was just a

00:10:27 ◼   ► baby we were there we saw it I feel

00:10:29 ◼   ► attached to it I made that cute video of

00:10:31 ◼   ► it with the cute music as a baby I

00:10:33 ◼   ► posted the footage of it being weighed

00:10:35 ◼   ► and I feel this real attachment and I

00:10:36 ◼   ► feel I feel sad when any animal dies but

00:10:39 ◼   ► I feel especially sad about this mmm-hmm

00:10:44 ◼   ► wondering about those numbers for zoo

00:10:47 ◼   ► animal transport like those seem like

00:10:50 ◼   ► pretty high fatal numbers you said

00:10:52 ◼   ► nineteen penguins went and three of them

00:10:54 ◼   ► died in transit yeah it seems like a

00:10:56 ◼   ► high percentage I was told that birds

00:10:58 ◼   ► dying in transit is more common than say

00:11:01 ◼   ► a gorilla right okay I have a somewhat

00:11:03 ◼   ► like if you send 20 gorillas and you

00:11:05 ◼   ► lose three of them it's really

00:11:06 ◼   ► concerning I

00:11:07 ◼   ► receive an autopsy report the zoo with

00:11:09 ◼   ► all the details they haven't got it yet

00:11:11 ◼   ► they've actually promised to give me a

00:11:12 ◼   ► full briefing when they find out what

00:11:14 ◼   ► happened they don't know exactly what

00:11:15 ◼   ► happened themselves this is for real

00:11:17 ◼   ► autopsy going to be done about this well

00:11:19 ◼   ► there's some kind of report yeah

00:11:21 ◼   ► apparently that has to happen I guess

00:11:23 ◼   ► that makes sense that if you're

00:11:25 ◼   ► transporting zoo animals back and forth

00:11:26 ◼   ► the sending zoo is going to want to know

00:11:28 ◼   ► the details it's just it just never

00:11:31 ◼   ► occurred to me but it's serious it's

00:11:33 ◼   ► very serious

00:11:34 ◼   ► so I feel like I have to put this on

00:11:37 ◼   ► record and fairness to the zoo because

00:11:39 ◼   ► this is basically a publicity stunt gone

00:11:42 ◼   ► terribly terribly wrong because of all

00:11:45 ◼   ► the Penguins that could have died the

00:11:47 ◼   ► one that like has this like really

00:11:48 ◼   ► popular podcast following it and this

00:11:50 ◼   ► like silly guy who made the big ruckus

00:11:53 ◼   ► on Twitter and stuff mm-hmm

00:11:55 ◼   ► I feel really sorry for them that they

00:11:57 ◼   ► tried to do a good thing it's like blown

00:11:59 ◼   ► up in their face and it's and it's made

00:12:01 ◼   ► this penguin dying an even bigger deal

00:12:02 ◼   ► than it would have been mm-hmm and I

00:12:04 ◼   ► also want to say everyone has different

00:12:06 ◼   ► views about the rights and wrongs of

00:12:08 ◼   ► zoos and I can see all sides of the

00:12:10 ◼   ► story but I do have to point out that

00:12:13 ◼   ► the zoo does a lot for penguins the

00:12:16 ◼   ► reason we were raising money for them is

00:12:17 ◼   ► they have this special program will they

00:12:19 ◼   ► send their experts to South Africa every

00:12:22 ◼   ► year and they like rescue all these

00:12:24 ◼   ► hatchlings and then hand reer them and

00:12:26 ◼   ► release them back into the wild

00:12:28 ◼   ► so like this zoo has an above-average

00:12:30 ◼   ► interest in the welfare of South African

00:12:33 ◼   ► penguins yeah so for us now to be doing

00:12:35 ◼   ► a podcast about a penguin that they were

00:12:37 ◼   ► transporting died I feel a bit sorry for

00:12:40 ◼   ► them because they're try and do the

00:12:42 ◼   ► right thing by penguins and it's kind of

00:12:44 ◼   ► this has kind of gone a bit wrong so I

00:12:46 ◼   ► feel like I should say that I also have

00:12:49 ◼   ► taken lessons from it myself good and

00:12:51 ◼   ► bad okay

00:12:53 ◼   ► would it would have you learn really my

00:12:55 ◼   ► first lesson is maybe be a bit more

00:12:57 ◼   ► careful before you make a big ruckus on

00:12:59 ◼   ► social media is love what do you mean

00:13:06 ◼   ► because I was like oh this ends today

00:13:08 ◼   ► and I was going in there all guns

00:13:10 ◼   ► blazing and everyone was saying we can't

00:13:12 ◼   ► wait to find out Brady what's the news

00:13:14 ◼   ► and then suddenly I was like confronted

00:13:16 ◼   ► by this horrible outcome mm-hmm and I

00:13:20 ◼   ► didn't want to then like tweet

00:13:21 ◼   ► or snapchat hey that the penguin has

00:13:23 ◼   ► died right which is what had happened

00:13:25 ◼   ► uh-huh so I kind of had to go quiet

00:13:28 ◼   ► while I thought about it and that was

00:13:30 ◼   ► just like getting people more and more

00:13:31 ◼   ► fired up the suspense is killing us

00:13:33 ◼   ► where's the penguin how is she maybe I

00:13:36 ◼   ► played my hand a bit early on the on the

00:13:39 ◼   ► social media side of things I can see

00:13:41 ◼   ► how this particular time this worked out

00:13:43 ◼   ► as an unfortunate outcome for you uh I

00:13:47 ◼   ► don't think this is like a general

00:13:48 ◼   ► lesson to learn from the situation like

00:13:51 ◼   ► it is a lesson gray you know because

00:13:52 ◼   ► this is not the first time this sort of

00:13:54 ◼   ► thing has happened to me admittedly

00:13:56 ◼   ► social media but like I remember this

00:13:58 ◼   ► another thing that happened to me once

00:14:00 ◼   ► twice in the course of a week I'd been

00:14:03 ◼   ► trying to contact you know some of my

00:14:04 ◼   ► academics around the university about

00:14:06 ◼   ► making films and sometimes I just wander

00:14:08 ◼   ► around the university and go to their

00:14:10 ◼   ► offices just for a chat and I walked

00:14:12 ◼   ► past a few of the offices of people I'd

00:14:14 ◼   ► been emailing for a while and one of

00:14:15 ◼   ► them I walked in and said hey how you're

00:14:17 ◼   ► doing like jokey I was like why aren't

00:14:19 ◼   ► you replying to my emails I emailed you

00:14:21 ◼   ► like three or four times in the last few

00:14:22 ◼   ► months what's going on and then he was

00:14:24 ◼   ► like my mum died a few weeks ago and

00:14:27 ◼   ► then I was like ah sorry and like that

00:14:33 ◼   ► explains why you're not replying to my

00:14:34 ◼   ► emails then so I was like maybe I should

00:14:36 ◼   ► have been a bit more sensitive about not

00:14:38 ◼   ► replying to my emails and then like a

00:14:40 ◼   ► few days later the exact same thing

00:14:42 ◼   ► happened with another academic and I

00:14:43 ◼   ► made the same joke and again he'd had

00:14:45 ◼   ► like I think it was a parent died as

00:14:47 ◼   ► well so I don't know maybe I'm just

00:14:50 ◼   ► unlucky perhaps there is a distinction

00:14:52 ◼   ► to be drawn in the difference between

00:14:54 ◼   ► the lack of Correspondence from a human

00:14:56 ◼   ► being and the lack of Correspondence

00:14:57 ◼   ► from a penguin it hadn't occurred to me

00:14:59 ◼   ► that because of all that stuff that had

00:15:02 ◼   ► been going on on reddit the idea that

00:15:04 ◼   ► the penguin could have died had gone out

00:15:05 ◼   ► of my head right right one never thinks

00:15:08 ◼   ► of penguin mortality does one write

00:15:10 ◼   ► until you have to face it directly I'm

00:15:12 ◼   ► not like going through like you know the

00:15:14 ◼   ► stages of grief or anything because it's

00:15:15 ◼   ► just it's just penguin but I am also

00:15:17 ◼   ► wondering whether I'm partly to blame

00:15:19 ◼   ► because if I had done more that penguin

00:15:22 ◼   ► in terms of coverage and publicity would

00:15:24 ◼   ► it have become so valuable to the zoo

00:15:26 ◼   ► that they would not have dared even

00:15:27 ◼   ► Transporter like if it had become more

00:15:29 ◼   ► famous did I not make it famous enough I

00:15:32 ◼   ► think that's undeniable that is true

00:15:34 ◼   ► if the penguin had been promoted more

00:15:37 ◼   ► with updates about her weight and her

00:15:40 ◼   ► health over time and and you had sent

00:15:43 ◼   ► more people to the zoo through your

00:15:45 ◼   ► efforts you could have saved her life do

00:15:47 ◼   ► not think there's any way that isn't

00:15:48 ◼   ► true like it has to be true that that's

00:15:51 ◼   ► the case even if I just cold about it

00:15:53 ◼   ► more often they would have thought

00:15:54 ◼   ► because one of the things they were so

00:15:55 ◼   ► sorry about was they were saying we're

00:15:57 ◼   ► so sorry we didn't tell you it was being

00:15:58 ◼   ► moved we probably should have told you

00:15:59 ◼   ► but if I was someone who like you know

00:16:01 ◼   ► called about it every month and stuff

00:16:03 ◼   ► they would have known I was watching and

00:16:05 ◼   ► maybe not had center so yeah that's true

00:16:07 ◼   ► awful is true I think your negligence

00:16:09 ◼   ► definitely does have a hand in this

00:16:10 ◼   ► Brady I think there's I think there's no

00:16:12 ◼   ► way around that

00:16:13 ◼   ► by the way just to be clear I did say

00:16:15 ◼   ► this earlier the zoo kind of did have to

00:16:18 ◼   ► send penguins to tibula see this is how

00:16:20 ◼   ► this is how Sue's work by the way like

00:16:23 ◼   ► there's an overarching body that looks

00:16:25 ◼   ► after breeding populations and what

00:16:26 ◼   ► animals go where and if this body says

00:16:28 ◼   ► you're sending animals here and there

00:16:30 ◼   ► that's pretty much binding as long as

00:16:33 ◼   ► where you're sending it is like a legit

00:16:34 ◼   ► proper zoo and you and it was so yeah

00:16:37 ◼   ► yeah that's totally understood I saw a

00:16:40 ◼   ► few things on the reddit where people

00:16:41 ◼   ► were actually discussing that about how

00:16:43 ◼   ► I didn't realize that's video that

00:16:44 ◼   ► there's like a it's like a meta su

00:16:46 ◼   ► organization that directs the transport

00:16:49 ◼   ► of animals around like you said for

00:16:50 ◼   ► breeding populations against one of

00:16:52 ◼   ► those things like it makes total sense

00:16:53 ◼   ► once you think about it that that would

00:16:54 ◼   ► exist it's in the interest of all zoos

00:16:57 ◼   ► to mix their animals more than they

00:16:59 ◼   ► would be mixing just within the zoo yes

00:17:02 ◼   ► but yeah but yeah you can see like it

00:17:03 ◼   ► becomes a kind of contract where there's

00:17:05 ◼   ► meta organization directs the movement

00:17:07 ◼   ► of animals around so okay I'm not I'm

00:17:09 ◼   ► not holding the zoo in any blame at all

00:17:12 ◼   ► I'm just saying that you're basically

00:17:14 ◼   ► just blaming me yeah yeah that's that's

00:17:16 ◼   ► exist to make it really clear it's not

00:17:18 ◼   ► the zoo's fault if Brady had acted

00:17:20 ◼   ► differently could things be different

00:17:22 ◼   ► the answer is yes that's undeniable

00:17:25 ◼   ► there's one more lesson from this okay

00:17:28 ◼   ► this is a lesson to me kind of about

00:17:31 ◼   ► journalism but also about you could you

00:17:33 ◼   ► could talk about this in other aspects

00:17:35 ◼   ► of life and it reminded me of lessons I

00:17:37 ◼   ► learned in my early days and this I'm

00:17:39 ◼   ► not making this part of our earlier

00:17:40 ◼   ► discussions about the media and

00:17:41 ◼   ► journalism this has nothing to do with

00:17:42 ◼   ► any of that this is just a general thing

00:17:45 ◼   ► about being a journalist okay and there

00:17:47 ◼   ► is

00:17:48 ◼   ► the best journalism always comes from

00:17:52 ◼   ► getting off your butt and going to the

00:17:54 ◼   ► place because I thought the problem had

00:17:57 ◼   ► been solved by this reddit Facebook

00:17:59 ◼   ► stuff and also I thought I'll probably

00:18:01 ◼   ► get an answer from the press department

00:18:02 ◼   ► eventually although it didn't look like

00:18:04 ◼   ► I was doing it but really I didn't get

00:18:07 ◼   ► to the bottom of things as terrible as

00:18:09 ◼   ► it was until I just like turned up and

00:18:12 ◼   ► gotten faces and started counting

00:18:14 ◼   ► penguins and looking at numbers and like

00:18:16 ◼   ► being there on the spot and making them

00:18:18 ◼   ► actually come and see me and looking

00:18:20 ◼   ► people in the eyes and having the

00:18:21 ◼   ► discussion and it doesn't just apply to

00:18:23 ◼   ► journalism applies to lots of other

00:18:25 ◼   ► things in life like if you sit around

00:18:27 ◼   ► and wait for stuff to get done by other

00:18:30 ◼   ► people or nothing beats if it's feasible

00:18:35 ◼   ► and possible going there and being there

00:18:37 ◼   ► and being on the spot because you always

00:18:39 ◼   ► find out more and you always get closer

00:18:43 ◼   ► to the bottom of the things if you are

00:18:44 ◼   ► like at the place the hello internet

00:18:47 ◼   ► nation is indebted to your journalism on

00:18:50 ◼   ► this particular issue really well I wish

00:18:54 ◼   ► I wish I was the bearer of better news

00:18:56 ◼   ► but that do you know what when I first

00:18:58 ◼   ► started as a journalist you know I would

00:19:01 ◼   ► interview and did lots of things over

00:19:02 ◼   ► the phone because that's the way things

00:19:03 ◼   ► work quite often but then often you need

00:19:05 ◼   ► photographs to go with it and we would

00:19:07 ◼   ► have these forms you would fill out and

00:19:09 ◼   ► give to the photograph editor saying I

00:19:11 ◼   ► need a picture of this or this place or

00:19:13 ◼   ► this person and you'd organize it all

00:19:15 ◼   ► and set it all up and then you'd fill

00:19:17 ◼   ► out the form with the addresses and the

00:19:18 ◼   ► phone numbers and the times and that and

00:19:20 ◼   ► there was a box you would tick to say

00:19:22 ◼   ► whether or not the journalist was going

00:19:23 ◼   ► on the story or not whether the journals

00:19:25 ◼   ► wanted to go with the photographer to

00:19:28 ◼   ► sort of director or maybe you hadn't

00:19:29 ◼   ► interviewed the person yet so you needed

00:19:31 ◼   ► to be there so it was a yes or no and I

00:19:33 ◼   ► would always tick no because I don't

00:19:36 ◼   ► know maybe a little bit of laziness and

00:19:38 ◼   ► a little bit of shyness you know I was I

00:19:39 ◼   ► was still that younger journalist who

00:19:41 ◼   ► was a bit who wasn't that confident I'll

00:19:44 ◼   ► always take know and I remember one time

00:19:45 ◼   ► the photo editor sort of took me to one

00:19:48 ◼   ► side because I got along really well

00:19:49 ◼   ► with him and he said you should go on

00:19:51 ◼   ► some of these stories more often because

00:19:52 ◼   ► it's good to go there and like see

00:19:55 ◼   ► things and you know it'll make your

00:19:56 ◼   ► stories better so then I started ticking

00:19:59 ◼   ► yes more often and I would just go even

00:20:01 ◼   ► though I'd spoken to these

00:20:02 ◼   ► people on the phone often and I already

00:20:04 ◼   ► knew the story I would go along just to

00:20:06 ◼   ► be there for the photo shoot and I found

00:20:08 ◼   ► that so valuable and so interesting and

00:20:11 ◼   ► it always I always found it so mitt so

00:20:13 ◼   ► much more amazing stuff and interesting

00:20:15 ◼   ► stuff and like my stories became so much

00:20:17 ◼   ► better by doing it that it just became

00:20:19 ◼   ► my rule when I would take yes for

00:20:21 ◼   ► everything like no matter what it was I

00:20:22 ◼   ► just wanted to go and see the stuff and

00:20:24 ◼   ► be part of the story it got to the point

00:20:26 ◼   ► where a year or two later the photo

00:20:28 ◼   ► editor pulled me aside and said do you

00:20:29 ◼   ► actually have to go on all these stories

00:20:31 ◼   ► because it's really inconvenient for me

00:20:32 ◼   ► for the photographer's to always have to

00:20:34 ◼   ► come back and pick you up and take you

00:20:35 ◼   ► so it backfired on him but it was a

00:20:39 ◼   ► really good lesson there's a really good

00:20:40 ◼   ► lesson if you're doing anything and you

00:20:42 ◼   ► feasibly can go there there's a lot to

00:20:45 ◼   ► be said for I like that your enthusiasm

00:20:47 ◼   ► was causing logistics problems for ya

00:20:50 ◼   ► the organization that you're working for

00:20:51 ◼   ► his like yeah okay buddy it's good to be

00:20:53 ◼   ► enthusiastic but not this enthusiastic

00:20:56 ◼   ► yeah we're just taking it and we're just

00:20:57 ◼   ► taking a photograph of the person

00:20:59 ◼   ► sitting at that desk do you have to be

00:21:00 ◼   ► there yes I want to be there I could ask

00:21:02 ◼   ► good query to do a ride-along once every

00:21:05 ◼   ► couple months right but yeah it's not

00:21:06 ◼   ► every day not twice a day not three

00:21:09 ◼   ► times a day that's not what we were

00:21:10 ◼   ► looking for yeah anyway I there we go

00:21:15 ◼   ► CGP grey the lady penguin rest in peace

00:21:19 ◼   ► rest in peace gone to that great rocky

00:21:22 ◼   ► outcrop in the sky gone to a farm in

00:21:24 ◼   ► upstate yeah I figured some I figured

00:21:27 ◼   ► some rocky outcrop in the middle of the

00:21:29 ◼   ► sea is the penguin equivalent of the

00:21:31 ◼   ► farm no it's all the farm all the

00:21:33 ◼   ► animals go to the farm together that's

00:21:35 ◼   ► how that works that's what they could

00:21:37 ◼   ► have done they could have put me on that

00:21:38 ◼   ► bench and said

00:21:39 ◼   ► CGP grey the penguin isn't here and

00:21:40 ◼   ► isn't it Tbilisi she's gone to a special

00:21:43 ◼   ► magical zoo for the firemen Tbilisi

00:21:47 ◼   ► shall be we shall be running through the

00:21:49 ◼   ► forest the happy penguin okay that

00:21:51 ◼   ► doesn't make any sense don't question it

00:21:53 ◼   ► too much man don't question it we're

00:21:54 ◼   ► just telling you a story here we need to

00:21:56 ◼   ► think of something to do about this gray

00:21:58 ◼   ► I feel like it can't end here what do

00:22:02 ◼   ► you mean I don't know I feel like this

00:22:03 ◼   ► can't be the end of the story

00:22:05 ◼   ► all stories come to an end and death is

00:22:07 ◼   ► an ending I'm not sure what you're

00:22:10 ◼   ► looking for here Brady yeah

00:22:12 ◼   ► with those people who like that timing

00:22:15 ◼   ► how long it takes

00:22:16 ◼   ► death to come up in our podcast are

00:22:18 ◼   ► gonna got a cracking opening opening for

00:22:21 ◼   ► the Miss time don't we opening stories

00:22:23 ◼   ► about that when I was thinking about how

00:22:25 ◼   ► to tell the story like obviously I had

00:22:28 ◼   ► to tell you and the listeners about this

00:22:30 ◼   ► I was thinking do I tell it

00:22:32 ◼   ► chronologically how it happened to me or

00:22:34 ◼   ► do I just say it from the start look

00:22:36 ◼   ► before I start the story who the penguin

00:22:39 ◼   ► is dead and now here's how I found out

00:22:41 ◼   ► because I was a bit worried as I told

00:22:43 ◼   ► the story you'd be mr. jokey I Brady

00:22:45 ◼   ► you're so funny and like you'd be

00:22:46 ◼   ► laughing and stuff and then like I drop

00:22:48 ◼   ► the bomb and then you'd feel bad about

00:22:50 ◼   ► being jokey because that's what happened

00:22:52 ◼   ► to me you know I was joking about it all

00:22:54 ◼   ► the time and making a big joke at the

00:22:55 ◼   ► whole thing yeah yucking it up on social

00:22:57 ◼   ► media right right right right and check

00:22:59 ◼   ► that you're gonna have to cache later no

00:23:02 ◼   ► so I didn't want to put you in the same

00:23:04 ◼   ► position but I felt like you should

00:23:06 ◼   ► experience it as I experienced it I

00:23:08 ◼   ► think there was the appropriate choice

00:23:10 ◼   ► there breathing and you also had that

00:23:11 ◼   ► moment that I had when they said

00:23:13 ◼   ► actually no we want to talk to you

00:23:14 ◼   ► somewhere else but yeah I know there's

00:23:17 ◼   ► never good right there this ah ah okay

00:23:20 ◼   ► whenever whenever people say they want

00:23:22 ◼   ► to talk to you like how many times is

00:23:25 ◼   ► that good news the answer is never right

00:23:27 ◼   ► it's never good news and they literally

00:23:29 ◼   ► took me somewhere where I could sit down

00:23:31 ◼   ► yeah yeah if they want to talk to you

00:23:33 ◼   ► and they also want to change locations

00:23:36 ◼   ► that is never good right these just you

00:23:38 ◼   ► just know you know something something

00:23:40 ◼   ► bad is about to happen there so Marty

00:23:45 ◼   ► black stump is ticking along there's

00:23:47 ◼   ► been a lot of online investigations into

00:23:49 ◼   ► the height of Marty black stump versus

00:23:51 ◼   ► Telstra house people seem to be in in

00:23:54 ◼   ► the same way they were relying on sort

00:23:55 ◼   ► of redder and the internet to figure out

00:23:57 ◼   ► what happened to the penguin they seem

00:23:59 ◼   ► to be using sort of you know all this

00:24:01 ◼   ► Google Earth and visualization stuff to

00:24:03 ◼   ► settle the matter of which building is

00:24:06 ◼   ► taller which I don't think is going to

00:24:08 ◼   ► provide an adequate solution yeah all I

00:24:10 ◼   ► want to know is if there's if there's

00:24:11 ◼   ► somebody out there with I don't know

00:24:13 ◼   ► what are those things people use like

00:24:15 ◼   ► the little triangle things to measure

00:24:16 ◼   ► this like the old a lot or something

00:24:18 ◼   ► like yes okay so one of those things

00:24:19 ◼   ► right yeah you see them in like old

00:24:21 ◼   ► manuscripts that's what I want I want a

00:24:23 ◼   ► dude with one of those measuring Heights

00:24:26 ◼   ► in Adal

00:24:26 ◼   ► that that's all we need I want sketches

00:24:29 ◼   ► I want triangles

00:24:30 ◼   ► I want trigonometry yeah parchment the

00:24:33 ◼   ► sketches on a parchment would something

00:24:35 ◼   ► like that that's that's a we near

00:24:37 ◼   ► blueprints the thing that is crucial

00:24:39 ◼   ► here Telstra house which claims to be

00:24:42 ◼   ► one metre taller it does seem to make

00:24:44 ◼   ► sense that would be one meter taller

00:24:46 ◼   ► because it was built a lot later and why

00:24:48 ◼   ► would you build a new building in

00:24:50 ◼   ► Adelaide and not make it the tallest

00:24:52 ◼   ► when you were so close

00:24:53 ◼   ► you would chuck an extra meter on there

00:24:55 ◼   ► just for bragging rights yeah of course

00:24:57 ◼   ► even though it only held the title for

00:24:58 ◼   ► one year before the other building came

00:25:00 ◼   ► along but the problem is the mighty

00:25:03 ◼   ► black stump has this antenna on top that

00:25:06 ◼   ► Telstra house does not and the antenna

00:25:07 ◼   ► clearly makes the mighty black stump

00:25:09 ◼   ► taller if you include that and this

00:25:12 ◼   ► leads to this can of worms about how do

00:25:14 ◼   ► you define the height of a building and

00:25:17 ◼   ► this is a huge issue there's a great

00:25:20 ◼   ► Wikipedia article about it as there is

00:25:22 ◼   ► about everything this is not a new

00:25:24 ◼   ► debate this has been going on since they

00:25:27 ◼   ► started building skyscrapers really from

00:25:29 ◼   ► the moment the builders of the Chrysler

00:25:31 ◼   ► Building put that cheeky spire on top

00:25:33 ◼   ► that they hadn't told anyone about so

00:25:35 ◼   ► that they could take top spot and they'd

00:25:36 ◼   ► head the spire until the last minute

00:25:38 ◼   ► like do you count antennas

00:25:40 ◼   ► do you count spires is it from the

00:25:43 ◼   ► architectural top of the building what's

00:25:45 ◼   ► the difference between a spire and an

00:25:47 ◼   ► antenna is that the highest level that

00:25:50 ◼   ► people can actually habitate you're

00:25:52 ◼   ► always a guy that has opinions if you

00:25:54 ◼   ► were defining the height of a building

00:25:57 ◼   ► what would you use is your cutoff point

00:26:00 ◼   ► so thinking about this earlier today I

00:26:02 ◼   ► think there's only two choices to go

00:26:04 ◼   ► with hmm one is the ground height to the

00:26:11 ◼   ► top of the structure including antennas

00:26:14 ◼   ► or spires or whatever just anything

00:26:16 ◼   ► that's physical anything that's physical

00:26:19 ◼   ► I think that counts right like okay I

00:26:21 ◼   ► think that's one measure to do is just

00:26:23 ◼   ► like if a kid is asking how tall a

00:26:25 ◼   ► building is I think that's their their

00:26:28 ◼   ► idea the tallest point but I was

00:26:31 ◼   ► thinking though I actually like the

00:26:34 ◼   ► definition that it is

00:26:36 ◼   ► it's not actually the top of the

00:26:38 ◼   ► building it's the top most part of the

00:26:41 ◼   ► building that is like where a person can

00:26:45 ◼   ► stand that isn't maintenance right

00:26:48 ◼   ► that's the usable part of the building

00:26:51 ◼   ► that to me seems like a non Chiddy way

00:26:54 ◼   ► to talk about what is the tallest

00:26:56 ◼   ► structure I feel like those are the two

00:26:58 ◼   ► things that I would go with like what is

00:27:00 ◼   ► the the place at which someone can

00:27:02 ◼   ► either have an office or an apartment at

00:27:04 ◼   ► the top of this building or what is the

00:27:06 ◼   ► actual tippy top of the building I think

00:27:07 ◼   ► those are those are two not unreasonable

00:27:10 ◼   ► ways to try to figure out what the

00:27:12 ◼   ► tallest building is I hear a Brady sigh

00:27:16 ◼   ► over there what are you thinking well

00:27:18 ◼   ► it's fair enough what you're saying is

00:27:19 ◼   ► fair enough but it just opens more cans

00:27:22 ◼   ► of worms you know there's a big

00:27:24 ◼   ► difference between that spire at the top

00:27:26 ◼   ► of the Chrysler Building which is like a

00:27:28 ◼   ► proper meaty structure and they're just

00:27:31 ◼   ► bolting some token flagpole to the top

00:27:34 ◼   ► to give yourself a few meters some

00:27:36 ◼   ► rickety piece of wood in a you know in a

00:27:38 ◼   ► pot I think now I think this way lies

00:27:42 ◼   ► madness because you're right about that

00:27:44 ◼   ► I know I know it Jimmy like the Chrysler

00:27:46 ◼   ► Building is a great example

00:27:48 ◼   ► it's like hollow on the inside isn't it

00:27:49 ◼   ► it's just like a hat with the buildings

00:27:51 ◼   ► wearing it's not a whole lot I think

00:27:53 ◼   ► there is a difference between that and

00:27:55 ◼   ► just sticking an antenna up as tall as

00:27:57 ◼   ► it can possibly go but I think there's

00:28:00 ◼   ► no meaningful way to try to come up with

00:28:02 ◼   ► a way to say here's how we are going to

00:28:04 ◼   ► distinguish essentially antenna from

00:28:08 ◼   ► decorative adornments on the top of the

00:28:11 ◼   ► building people do try by the way that

00:28:13 ◼   ► there isn't a tent okay I'm sure you

00:28:15 ◼   ► know I'm sure there is but I just think

00:28:17 ◼   ► there's no there's no way that you can

00:28:19 ◼   ► possibly get around that you always

00:28:22 ◼   ► going to be rules lawyer ring about this

00:28:23 ◼   ► whole thing maybe I'm wrong but I feel

00:28:25 ◼   ► like the top most usable part of the

00:28:29 ◼   ► building is a lot harder to rules lawyer

00:28:32 ◼   ► your way around and I think it gets to

00:28:34 ◼   ► the idea of why do we want tall

00:28:36 ◼   ► buildings because they're fun to go up

00:28:38 ◼   ► into yeah right there like there needs

00:28:41 ◼   ► to be space for people at the top of

00:28:42 ◼   ► these tall buildings otherwise what's

00:28:44 ◼   ► the point of it so you would count

00:28:46 ◼   ► observation decks yeah I would count an

00:28:48 ◼   ► observation deck as

00:28:50 ◼   ► top points like the Empire State

00:28:51 ◼   ► Building the observation deck I think is

00:28:54 ◼   ► that yeah is the highest part where

00:28:55 ◼   ► people can go and that seems to me like

00:28:57 ◼   ► I think that's where you should measure

00:28:58 ◼   ► the height from for what the tallest

00:29:00 ◼   ► building is I mean also it comes down

00:29:02 ◼   ► here to whether we're counting things as

00:29:04 ◼   ► buildings or structures because I think

00:29:06 ◼   ► they're two different categories what

00:29:09 ◼   ► you're talking about is a fair

00:29:10 ◼   ► categorization of a tallest building

00:29:12 ◼   ► maybe but not a tall structure okay you

00:29:16 ◼   ► know so like a red so a radio masts

00:29:18 ◼   ► could be a taller structure but it's not

00:29:20 ◼   ► building obviously hmm okay all right

00:29:23 ◼   ► yeah I think you have a point there

00:29:25 ◼   ► right because the structure is going to

00:29:26 ◼   ► be a place that doesn't have any human

00:29:28 ◼   ► usable space on the inside of it there's

00:29:30 ◼   ► a certain definition to our current

00:29:32 ◼   ► member water is off the top of my head

00:29:33 ◼   ► that precludes the CN tower from being a

00:29:37 ◼   ► building but it is a structure even

00:29:39 ◼   ► though it's got that lovely observation

00:29:41 ◼   ► deck because so much of it is just Tower

00:29:44 ◼   ► and lift mm-hmm to get you to what is

00:29:47 ◼   ► basically just a floating observation

00:29:48 ◼   ► deck that gets crossed off there's some

00:29:51 ◼   ► definition of a building I don't know if

00:29:52 ◼   ► it's a percentage of the structure that

00:29:54 ◼   ► can be habited or you know I can already

00:29:57 ◼   ► see here from the Wikipedia page right

00:29:59 ◼   ► that they have three categories they

00:30:00 ◼   ► have buildings structures and towers

00:30:02 ◼   ► yeah so I guess I'm just going to make

00:30:05 ◼   ► it up but I'm presuming then that our is

00:30:07 ◼   ► a thing that a person can go up into so

00:30:10 ◼   ► it has some limited amount of usable

00:30:11 ◼   ► space versus the structure which

00:30:13 ◼   ► probably has none like a radio tower but

00:30:16 ◼   ► which is a structure within these

00:30:17 ◼   ► definitions I'm gonna guess it's a mess

00:30:20 ◼   ► but but and you know this is what

00:30:22 ◼   ► happens when you deal with mighty mighty

00:30:24 ◼   ► buildings like the mighty black stump

00:30:25 ◼   ► these kind of questions need to be

00:30:27 ◼   ► answered so there is some definition by

00:30:30 ◼   ► which the mighty black stump is taller

00:30:32 ◼   ► than Telstra house cuz it's got this

00:30:33 ◼   ► wispy little antenna on top mmm but the

00:30:36 ◼   ► jury's still out

00:30:37 ◼   ► there's still a lot to go this is not

00:30:39 ◼   ► the last you've heard of it but despite

00:30:41 ◼   ► Grey's wishes once again I'm looking at

00:30:44 ◼   ► these two buildings in the 3d rendering

00:30:48 ◼   ► and it looks like Telstra house might

00:30:50 ◼   ► have higher usable space but it's hard

00:30:52 ◼   ► to tell are those just elevator banks on

00:30:55 ◼   ► the top what is that I don't know who

00:30:56 ◼   ► knows who knows someone needs to go out

00:30:59 ◼   ► there in person to take care of them

00:31:01 ◼   ► they using all this visualization

00:31:03 ◼   ► software I don't

00:31:03 ◼   ► what it is and what they've been doing

00:31:05 ◼   ► is they've been like virtually going to

00:31:07 ◼   ► the top of the mighty Black Star and

00:31:09 ◼   ► when they do that they can like see onto

00:31:11 ◼   ► the top of Telstra house and then they

00:31:13 ◼   ► virtually go onto the top of Telstra

00:31:15 ◼   ► house and you can't see onto the top of

00:31:17 ◼   ► the mighty black stump so they're saying

00:31:19 ◼   ► look it's proof it's proof but I don't

00:31:21 ◼   ► even know what this software is like I

00:31:22 ◼   ► don't know what's going on here it's not

00:31:24 ◼   ► satisfactory to me they said this needs

00:31:27 ◼   ► to be done I'm sorry this needs to be

00:31:28 ◼   ► done in person this is not something

00:31:30 ◼   ► that's going to be solved virtually

00:31:32 ◼   ► google earth is not going to cut it for

00:31:34 ◼   ► Brady that's what's happening here

00:31:35 ◼   ► that's right I wasn't real earth in this

00:31:37 ◼   ► particular case if the Black Star

00:31:41 ◼   ► building manager had shown me the

00:31:42 ◼   ► respect I deserved and had let me onto

00:31:45 ◼   ► the roof I would be a lot closer to

00:31:47 ◼   ► knowing the answer to this that's true

00:31:48 ◼   ► that's true but he didn't let me up

00:31:50 ◼   ► there so we don't know someone who had a

00:31:53 ◼   ► lead has to be able to get access to

00:31:55 ◼   ► those rooms I think that that's got to

00:31:57 ◼   ► happen of course immediately following

00:31:59 ◼   ► our discussion there was and there was a

00:32:01 ◼   ► total lockdown of all Wikipedia pages

00:32:03 ◼   ► pertaining to Adelaide buildings I'm

00:32:06 ◼   ► getting a little bit upset about

00:32:07 ◼   ► something and I've been dealing with

00:32:08 ◼   ► this a lot on reddit and online but I

00:32:10 ◼   ► want to have it on the podcast so that

00:32:12 ◼   ► everyone has heard it the black stamp is

00:32:14 ◼   ► a legitimate long term nickname for the

00:32:19 ◼   ► Grenville Center it was cold that when I

00:32:21 ◼   ► was growing up you can go through

00:32:23 ◼   ► newspaper archives it's referred to all

00:32:25 ◼   ► the time there is nothing wrong with the

00:32:27 ◼   ► Wikipedia page referring to this

00:32:29 ◼   ► building as the black stump the word

00:32:32 ◼   ► mighty has been added by grey to be

00:32:35 ◼   ► facetious no one calls up the mighty

00:32:37 ◼   ► black stump in Adelaide that is a joke

00:32:39 ◼   ► of course it should not be on the

00:32:40 ◼   ► Wikipedia page but the black stump is

00:32:42 ◼   ► completely legitimate and it's driving

00:32:45 ◼   ► me crazy that people keep deleting

00:32:47 ◼   ► references to the black stump saying oh

00:32:49 ◼   ► this is just some hello internet joke

00:32:51 ◼   ► and nuisance makers there is not

00:32:53 ◼   ► nuisance making the black stump is 100%

00:32:56 ◼   ► legitimate and it's driving me crazy

00:32:58 ◼   ► that people now think it's some joke hmm

00:33:01 ◼   ► and we do have a primary source for

00:33:04 ◼   ► being called the black stump because we

00:33:07 ◼   ► have a primary source of t-shirt sales

00:33:09 ◼   ► that say is the mighty black stump

00:33:11 ◼   ► I've gone and I've pointed people to old

00:33:14 ◼   ► newspaper articles that predate hello

00:33:16 ◼   ► Internet

00:33:17 ◼   ► referring to it you know Real Estate

00:33:19 ◼   ► Sale articles referring to the black

00:33:20 ◼   ► stamp but I just I can't win this one

00:33:23 ◼   ► it's this Wikipedia vandalism backfiring

00:33:26 ◼   ► on me I blame you me with your stupid

00:33:28 ◼   ► mighty yeah because you because you put

00:33:31 ◼   ► my tea in there and have confused

00:33:32 ◼   ► everything if I have caused some kind of

00:33:35 ◼   ► Wikipedia trouble I'm terribly sorry

00:33:37 ◼   ► I've never wanted to cause I would like

00:33:39 ◼   ► to get it on record here that I have

00:33:40 ◼   ► never wanted to cause Wikipedia trouble

00:33:42 ◼   ► I have never encouraged Wikipedia

00:33:44 ◼   ► trouble I'm just saying like I think we

00:33:46 ◼   ► have a primary source that shows that

00:33:47 ◼   ► it's called the mighty black stump the

00:33:49 ◼   ► I've never seen a primary source for

00:33:51 ◼   ► saying that it's called the black stump

00:33:52 ◼   ► and the mighty black stump is just a

00:33:54 ◼   ► better name but you know like I'm sure

00:33:55 ◼   ► people will sort it out in the Wikipedia

00:33:56 ◼   ► like that's how this works the truth

00:33:58 ◼   ► will triumph Brady now last episode just

00:34:01 ◼   ► very very quickly last episode we spoke

00:34:03 ◼   ► about something that both you and I

00:34:05 ◼   ► disliked and that is April Fool's Day

00:34:07 ◼   ► mm-hmm I'm adding to that list from my

00:34:11 ◼   ► and at least Star Wars day as another

00:34:13 ◼   ► completely naff day that everyone jumps

00:34:16 ◼   ► on and thinks they're the master or dead

00:34:19 ◼   ► jokes and they look like complete idiots

00:34:21 ◼   ► stop it with all your may the 4th be

00:34:23 ◼   ► with your jokes stop your corporate

00:34:26 ◼   ► people photoshopping Darth Vader into

00:34:28 ◼   ► whatever your corporate picture is to

00:34:29 ◼   ► make it look like you're down with the

00:34:30 ◼   ► Star Wars fans you look silly Star Wars

00:34:33 ◼   ► day was cool for a couple of years it

00:34:35 ◼   ► was funny for a couple of years now it's

00:34:37 ◼   ► been co-opted by the idiots and anyone

00:34:39 ◼   ► else needs to get the hell out of Dodge

00:34:41 ◼   ► whoa wow that's just my opinion

00:34:45 ◼   ► you for die yeah yeah pretty intense

00:34:48 ◼   ► about this what about you you think Star

00:34:51 ◼   ► Wars days you know oh is the last best

00:34:54 ◼   ► breathing I don't want to be lumped in

00:34:57 ◼   ► with you as this grump

00:34:59 ◼   ► who doesn't like fun That's not me I'm

00:35:01 ◼   ► about the fun and a holiday based on a

00:35:05 ◼   ► pun like man I couldn't imagine

00:35:07 ◼   ► something that'd be more down for I

00:35:09 ◼   ► think that's a fantastic idea and yeah

00:35:12 ◼   ► it's great

00:35:13 ◼   ► I love seeing corporate cross promotion

00:35:16 ◼   ► I love seeing dad jokes I've loved

00:35:18 ◼   ► everything about it so so don't get me

00:35:20 ◼   ► wrong

00:35:20 ◼   ► listening audience Brady is the

00:35:22 ◼   ► curmudgeon here I'm I think it's great I

00:35:25 ◼   ► think it's awesome is it purely the pun

00:35:28 ◼   ► or is there some link to the data

00:35:31 ◼   ► well like it wasn't the date that the

00:35:32 ◼   ► film premiered or anything was it is

00:35:34 ◼   ► purely the patent I think I think it's

00:35:36 ◼   ► literally just a pun that's all it is

00:35:38 ◼   ► Star Wars day Wikipedia yeah it's

00:35:41 ◼   ► entirely just a pun it's just a pun

00:35:42 ◼   ► based holiday I'm perfectly in favor of

00:35:45 ◼   ► I think it's like a good pen yeah yeah

00:35:48 ◼   ► it's my favorite it's it's the best I

00:35:50 ◼   ► think Brady the problem is you just

00:35:52 ◼   ► don't like things when they get too

00:35:54 ◼   ► popular you like Star Wars when it was

00:35:56 ◼   ► just you and your friends who knew about

00:35:58 ◼   ► it yeah when when virtually no one had

00:36:01 ◼   ► heard of Sarah was except me in my

00:36:02 ◼   ► friends exactly just you and your

00:36:04 ◼   ► friends back in the 70s had watched Star

00:36:07 ◼   ► Wars right but now that everybody knows

00:36:08 ◼   ► about it now you don't like it I think

00:36:10 ◼   ► that's what's happening here

00:36:11 ◼   ► yeah yeah I like Star Wars before it was

00:36:13 ◼   ► popular so like that's like a day before

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00:37:46 ◼   ► /hello thank you so much to Squarespace

00:37:49 ◼   ► for supporting this show I saw something

00:37:52 ◼   ► on the hello Internet reddit which I

00:37:55 ◼   ► really liked Brady it was a picture of a

00:37:58 ◼   ► guy installing his newbie house his new

00:38:02 ◼   ► apiary wearing the nail and gear did you

00:38:06 ◼   ► see this photo I'm looking at it now

00:38:08 ◼   ► he's a handsome man

00:38:10 ◼   ► it's a handsome man I have to say I gave

00:38:12 ◼   ► him credit for not wearing the bee suit

00:38:14 ◼   ► if you look closely in the photo he has

00:38:16 ◼   ► bees all over him is that his real

00:38:18 ◼   ► Bader's you got one of those babies oh

00:38:20 ◼   ► it's good question ah let's enhance I'm

00:38:24 ◼   ► enhancing click to enhance that is a bee

00:38:27 ◼   ► beard Wow ok there's actually way more

00:38:29 ◼   ► bees on here I first thought super

00:38:32 ◼   ► impressive I wanted to mention this

00:38:34 ◼   ► photo because this one made me really

00:38:37 ◼   ► smile because you might think this is

00:38:40 ◼   ► crazy I have this idea Brady that when I

00:38:44 ◼   ► retire from the internet when I give up

00:38:47 ◼   ► the tremendous volume of outputs that I

00:38:51 ◼   ► create when I hang up my reddit user

00:38:54 ◼   ► name and retire I have this like crazy

00:38:58 ◼   ► idea that you know what I left you in my

00:39:00 ◼   ► retirement

00:39:01 ◼   ► I'd love to raise bees I don't know why

00:39:04 ◼   ► I have this idea that like I'll get a

00:39:07 ◼   ► bee house and I'll tend to the bees this

00:39:10 ◼   ► is just like this little idea that I

00:39:11 ◼   ► have as an old man hobby I love a cgb

00:39:15 ◼   ► gray why that what of all the old man

00:39:19 ◼   ► hobbies you could have like you know I

00:39:21 ◼   ► mean you know if you'd said I want to

00:39:23 ◼   ► build a train set I'd be like oh yeah

00:39:25 ◼   ► I'm totally on board and then who

00:39:26 ◼   ► doesn't want to be able to I can awesome

00:39:27 ◼   ► train set I don't want to build an

00:39:29 ◼   ► awesome train set now that seems that

00:39:31 ◼   ► strikes me as incredibly tedious

00:39:32 ◼   ► that sounds uninteresting why the bays

00:39:35 ◼   ► then why the base good I have no idea

00:39:37 ◼   ► this is one of these things that I'm

00:39:38 ◼   ► just aware that okay so sometimes I

00:39:41 ◼   ► watch these property shows I think I

00:39:43 ◼   ► mentioned before on the podcast I

00:39:45 ◼   ► watches property show called escape to

00:39:48 ◼   ► the country where people who live in

00:39:49 ◼   ► London decide they're going to go retire

00:39:51 ◼   ► out in the country you've just melted my

00:39:54 ◼   ► brain why have i melted your brain

00:39:55 ◼   ► that's like a TV show you don't watch

00:39:58 ◼   ► too

00:39:58 ◼   ► hey how do you even watch that what

00:40:00 ◼   ► device do you watch that on its you know

00:40:02 ◼   ► you can you can find you can find the

00:40:04 ◼   ► show I can't believe you watch escape to

00:40:06 ◼   ► the country I'm so sure I've mentioned

00:40:08 ◼   ► this before to you Bri this is a bigger

00:40:10 ◼   ► shock to me than the penguin dying

00:40:11 ◼   ► hahaha it's fantastic it's a great show

00:40:16 ◼   ► it is a great show but I can't believe

00:40:18 ◼   ► you watch it or like it it's a great

00:40:20 ◼   ► show of essentially for pensioners my

00:40:22 ◼   ► wife and I will make a cup of tea we'll

00:40:23 ◼   ► put a blanket over our legs like we're

00:40:25 ◼   ► 80 years old and we'll watch escaped to

00:40:27 ◼   ► the country and it's fantastic do you

00:40:30 ◼   ► think you could ever live in a rural

00:40:31 ◼   ► location with your base here's where I'm

00:40:33 ◼   ► going with this right is because I watch

00:40:36 ◼   ► this show and there's a funny thing that

00:40:38 ◼   ► always happens on the show we're like a

00:40:39 ◼   ► couple who's lived in London their

00:40:40 ◼   ► entire life they're like oh we're gonna

00:40:41 ◼   ► go retire and they'll be describing what

00:40:45 ◼   ► they want to have in a house when they

00:40:47 ◼   ► retire and they'll be like okay we want

00:40:50 ◼   ► this feature we want that feature we

00:40:51 ◼   ► want this other feature and then the

00:40:52 ◼   ► husband will always say something dumb

00:40:54 ◼   ► like oh and I want a really big yard

00:40:56 ◼   ► because I'm going to manage goats right

00:40:59 ◼   ► and there's like have you ever taken

00:41:01 ◼   ► care of goats before he's like now

00:41:02 ◼   ► that's just a thing that I want to do

00:41:03 ◼   ► and I'm watching the show and I always

00:41:05 ◼   ► feel like what an idiot like this this

00:41:07 ◼   ► guy thinks he's going to be managing a

00:41:08 ◼   ► herd of goats in his retirement like

00:41:10 ◼   ► that's a disaster like we all know how

00:41:12 ◼   ► this is going to end

00:41:13 ◼   ► goats roaming the country free once

00:41:15 ◼   ► they've escaped from his backyard right

00:41:17 ◼   ► or if they're all gonna die like who

00:41:19 ◼   ► knows it's just not going to end well

00:41:20 ◼   ► like is idiot has never raised goats

00:41:22 ◼   ► this is what he things he's want to do

00:41:23 ◼   ► but like I have this same crazy idea in

00:41:26 ◼   ► my head like at some point in my future

00:41:28 ◼   ► I'm gonna be raising bees and I don't

00:41:30 ◼   ► know why I don't know why I have it

00:41:31 ◼   ► there Brady but it's just like it's this

00:41:33 ◼   ► idea my old man hobby and it's a

00:41:36 ◼   ► contradiction because I'm aware that I

00:41:38 ◼   ► am totally disdainful of other people

00:41:40 ◼   ► who on a TV show that I watch have

00:41:41 ◼   ► essentially the same idea for their

00:41:43 ◼   ► retirement and I'm like Otto's idiots

00:41:45 ◼   ► right but now but me this somehow feels

00:41:47 ◼   ► different I think this is gonna happen

00:41:48 ◼   ► at some point Brady do you like honey

00:41:50 ◼   ► yeah it's good honey's good are you

00:41:53 ◼   ► allergic to bass ah seem like you would

00:41:56 ◼   ► be do I that's a good question I've been

00:41:59 ◼   ► stung but wait why do we why does it

00:42:01 ◼   ► seem like I would be allergic to bees

00:42:02 ◼   ► how can someone seem like they're

00:42:03 ◼   ► allergic to bees

00:42:04 ◼   ► I don't know you just seem like an

00:42:06 ◼   ► allergic kind of guy oh yeah like all

00:42:11 ◼   ► kinds of things I should just be

00:42:12 ◼   ► allergic to them this is the way it

00:42:13 ◼   ► seems let's just the vibe I get like you

00:42:16 ◼   ► don't look sickly or anything but you

00:42:17 ◼   ► just I get an allergic vibe from you

00:42:19 ◼   ► okay

00:42:20 ◼   ► yeah I've been stung by bees as a kid

00:42:22 ◼   ► okay can you get allergic later in life

00:42:25 ◼   ► I don't know I have no idea do you wanna

00:42:27 ◼   ► hear my base tongue story of course you

00:42:29 ◼   ► have a bee stung story tell me really I

00:42:31 ◼   ► grew up with a swimming pool in

00:42:33 ◼   ► Australia my parents had a swimming pool

00:42:35 ◼   ► so my sister and I had a swimming pool

00:42:37 ◼   ► by default and I remember one day my mum

00:42:39 ◼   ► took us to the shops and bought us lots

00:42:42 ◼   ► of fun stuff for the pool like

00:42:44 ◼   ► inflatable stuff and these big plastic

00:42:46 ◼   ► oars and things like that so we were

00:42:48 ◼   ► going to have like the time of our life

00:42:49 ◼   ► playing with them in the pool but for

00:42:52 ◼   ► some reason I was going to go to my

00:42:53 ◼   ► friend's house first to play cricket my

00:42:56 ◼   ► sister and I because were little kids

00:42:57 ◼   ► we'll funny about you know not getting

00:42:59 ◼   ► to play with the toys first so we made a

00:43:01 ◼   ► pet that when I got back we would play

00:43:03 ◼   ► with the toys together one of us

00:43:05 ◼   ► wouldn't get to enjoy the toys before

00:43:07 ◼   ► the other one and my sister who's a lot

00:43:09 ◼   ► just completely sweet just agreed to

00:43:11 ◼   ► that and said yes that's fine so we put

00:43:14 ◼   ► all the toys around the pole and said

00:43:16 ◼   ► we'll play with them when I get home but

00:43:17 ◼   ► first I'm going to go over to my mates

00:43:18 ◼   ► house to play cricket and we were

00:43:20 ◼   ► playing cricket and then after a while I

00:43:21 ◼   ► said to my mates we've got all these

00:43:22 ◼   ► awesome new toys in the pool my sister

00:43:25 ◼   ► thinks I'm going to play with them with

00:43:26 ◼   ► her but why don't we put our bathers on

00:43:28 ◼   ► secretly and run around and go and play

00:43:30 ◼   ► with them before she gets the chance

00:43:31 ◼   ► because that would be like you know just

00:43:33 ◼   ► to just a tormentor because that was

00:43:35 ◼   ► what brothers do to sisters right yes so

00:43:37 ◼   ► we changed into obey this and my sister

00:43:39 ◼   ► was like watching TV in like a living

00:43:41 ◼   ► room that looked out over the pole and

00:43:42 ◼   ► we came storming into the backyard

00:43:44 ◼   ► nobody was going whoo-hoo-hoo and we

00:43:46 ◼   ► picked up all the inflatables and one of

00:43:48 ◼   ► the oars was sitting by the side of the

00:43:50 ◼   ► pool and I threw the inflatable in and

00:43:52 ◼   ► picked up the yaw and jumped into the

00:43:54 ◼   ► pool with the or ready to go rowing and

00:43:57 ◼   ► my sister came into the backyard crying

00:43:58 ◼   ► because what was terrible thing we were

00:44:01 ◼   ► doing to her and tormenting her and

00:44:02 ◼   ► suddenly I had this tremendous pain in

00:44:05 ◼   ► my hand and I'd been stung by a bee and

00:44:09 ◼   ► that was on the or and it turns out

00:44:12 ◼   ► while I was playing cricket my sister

00:44:13 ◼   ► had rescued a bee from the pole using

00:44:16 ◼   ► the oar and had like fished it out and

00:44:19 ◼   ► let it be or by the side of the pole

00:44:21 ◼   ► because she's so humane

00:44:22 ◼   ► she wanted the beach you know dry out

00:44:24 ◼   ► and fly away right so when I'd come

00:44:25 ◼   ► running and picked up the oil from the

00:44:27 ◼   ► side of the pool my hands straight on

00:44:29 ◼   ► the B and got stung that's how I got my

00:44:32 ◼   ► I learned my lesson I got my comeuppance

00:44:33 ◼   ► Oh believe you did that

00:44:36 ◼   ► oh I was getting all angry after what I

00:44:38 ◼   ► just done there so you learned to never

00:44:41 ◼   ► torment your sister again isn't how that

00:44:43 ◼   ► works that was the last day I ever

00:44:44 ◼   ► tormented her ever that was the last day

00:44:46 ◼   ► that's good yeah that's good I'm glad

00:44:47 ◼   ► you learned that lesson it weren't

00:44:49 ◼   ► pretty yeah my stepfather's a beekeeper

00:44:54 ◼   ► oh yeah really hmm interesting I've

00:44:57 ◼   ► never gone and seen his bees or hives he

00:44:59 ◼   ► kept them on another property away from

00:45:01 ◼   ► the house when I was growing up and yeah

00:45:03 ◼   ► but he would sometimes go away and tend

00:45:05 ◼   ► to his bees see even I like just the

00:45:07 ◼   ► idea of it like it just sounds romantic

00:45:08 ◼   ► like Oh tending to bees huh yeah of

00:45:10 ◼   ► course that sounds like a great thing to

00:45:11 ◼   ► do I've caught myself sometimes reading

00:45:13 ◼   ► about how to keep hives and like what

00:45:15 ◼   ► the hell am i doing right it's like I

00:45:17 ◼   ► can't I can't help myself this is

00:45:19 ◼   ► definitely one of the strangest things

00:45:21 ◼   ► that I find my mind like vaguely drawn

00:45:24 ◼   ► to every once in a while you can't leave

00:45:26 ◼   ► them alone gray you could get an

00:45:27 ◼   ► allotment somewhere and just go once a

00:45:29 ◼   ► week just go check on them leave the

00:45:31 ◼   ► allotment people to deal with life of

00:45:33 ◼   ► ease that Ferguson I guess some around

00:45:36 ◼   ► the country I can see why that would

00:45:39 ◼   ► appeal to you because there's like you

00:45:40 ◼   ► know because bees are all about

00:45:41 ◼   ► organization and colonies and all those

00:45:44 ◼   ► sort of things that you find so

00:45:45 ◼   ► interesting you know organizational

00:45:46 ◼   ► structures so being like the god of some

00:45:49 ◼   ► organization I would quite a people to

00:45:51 ◼   ► that's what I'm doing it for it's the

00:45:52 ◼   ► power trip yeah that is I am the god of

00:45:56 ◼   ► this hive you nailed afraid of yeah

00:46:00 ◼   ► you've gotten to the core of my they're

00:46:03 ◼   ► interested obviously I don't think you

00:46:05 ◼   ► want to do it to be the god of bees but

00:46:07 ◼   ► I can see why like you know studying and

00:46:09 ◼   ► looking at it would be interesting to

00:46:11 ◼   ► you I can see why I'd be an interesting

00:46:12 ◼   ► hobby tea yeah it's just that just it

00:46:14 ◼   ► captures my attention what are you going

00:46:17 ◼   ► to do in your retirement breeding I

00:46:18 ◼   ► would like to spend more time in

00:46:20 ◼   ► mountains and walking up I'd like to be

00:46:22 ◼   ► one of those people who like goes to

00:46:23 ◼   ► Scotland and captures Monroe's you know

00:46:26 ◼   ► how there are people who try and get to

00:46:27 ◼   ► every peak in Scotland and stuff like

00:46:29 ◼   ► that I would like to climb Hills in your

00:46:32 ◼   ► retirement yeah how people do it it's

00:46:35 ◼   ► not like you know cramp

00:46:36 ◼   ► and an ice axe and stuff it's just okay

00:46:38 ◼   ► Pleasant walks up Scottish Hills okay

00:46:42 ◼   ► alright basically tell me that you're

00:46:44 ◼   ► gonna be you're gonna be some budding

00:46:45 ◼   ► peaks in your environment which seemed a

00:46:47 ◼   ► little bit like I've got bad news for

00:46:49 ◼   ► you yeah I think I would like to do that

00:46:52 ◼   ► I like hills and mountains I like that I

00:46:57 ◼   ► think that's that's a romantic image of

00:46:58 ◼   ► a Brady when the Brady retires you'll

00:47:01 ◼   ► see him on the Scottish hills in the

00:47:04 ◼   ► distance walking around

00:47:06 ◼   ► that's a Brady will do bagging another

00:47:09 ◼   ► peak yeah bagging my list crossing it

00:47:11 ◼   ► off my list I like there I like taking a

00:47:14 ◼   ► pointing selfie at the top pointing to

00:47:16 ◼   ► the the style or whatever's up there the

00:47:18 ◼   ► trig point will say I like this will

00:47:21 ◼   ► have relaxing retirements Brady mmm

00:47:23 ◼   ► maybe maybe this is a good point to move

00:47:26 ◼   ► on to Mount Everest then as you know I

00:47:27 ◼   ► love talking about Mount Everest it is

00:47:29 ◼   ► as we are recording at the moment we're

00:47:32 ◼   ► just coming into the Everest climbing

00:47:33 ◼   ► season it should be more accurately

00:47:35 ◼   ► described as the Everest death season

00:47:38 ◼   ► because that's when we start here start

00:47:40 ◼   ► hearing all the stories about people

00:47:41 ◼   ► dying at Mount Everest which seems to

00:47:42 ◼   ► becoming more and more common more and

00:47:46 ◼   ► more people go every year right isn't

00:47:47 ◼   ► that how that works is it like a busy

00:47:49 ◼   ► place now Everest

00:47:50 ◼   ► all the tourists have ruined it there's

00:47:52 ◼   ► a Starbucks at base camp there's not a

00:47:55 ◼   ► stat bucket there's very good Wi-Fi at

00:47:56 ◼   ► base camp I give it time not be a

00:47:58 ◼   ► Starbucks there eventually right there's

00:48:00 ◼   ► better phone reception at base camp than

00:48:01 ◼   ► where I live that's for sure that is

00:48:03 ◼   ► true you live in the center of a black

00:48:05 ◼   ► hole of reception that can be crazy

00:48:06 ◼   ► every time my droughts I'm like it feels

00:48:08 ◼   ► like I'm in the third world as far as my

00:48:10 ◼   ► phone is concerned like why can't I get

00:48:11 ◼   ► no signal in your house it's crazy

00:48:14 ◼   ► making a good place for Bay's though out

00:48:18 ◼   ► here but the first death that was

00:48:20 ◼   ► reported was not of a tourist or some

00:48:24 ◼   ► amateur it was actually as far as

00:48:26 ◼   ► Mountaineers go it was a guy who is

00:48:28 ◼   ► probably the superstar of mountaineering

00:48:31 ◼   ► at the moment is a guy called Ueli Steck

00:48:34 ◼   ► or his nicknames the swiss machine and

00:48:37 ◼   ► he's like a really famous mountaineer

00:48:39 ◼   ► he's really good at climbing Peaks

00:48:40 ◼   ► quickly and he was getting ready to try

00:48:43 ◼   ► and do an unusual Everest climb this

00:48:46 ◼   ► season and he was just kind of

00:48:47 ◼   ► acclimatizing and

00:48:49 ◼   ► warming up sort of sort of thing and he

00:48:52 ◼   ► was actually just going up a little side

00:48:53 ◼   ► peak called nutsy it's funny Mount

00:48:57 ◼   ► Everest to my mind is really three

00:48:59 ◼   ► mountains kind of joined together

00:49:01 ◼   ► Everest

00:49:02 ◼   ► lot C and nutsy and yet they all are

00:49:05 ◼   ► treated separately and lot C in fact is

00:49:07 ◼   ► the fourth highest mountain in the world

00:49:08 ◼   ► but actually I just it's really just

00:49:10 ◼   ► like a southern peak of Everest hmm

00:49:12 ◼   ► anyway so there's these three sort of

00:49:14 ◼   ► mountains join together they form like a

00:49:16 ◼   ► little cradle around this western room

00:49:18 ◼   ► and he was sort of doing an

00:49:21 ◼   ► acclimatization climb on nutsy and has

00:49:24 ◼   ► fallen to his death which is terribly

00:49:27 ◼   ► sad thing to have happened but an

00:49:29 ◼   ► interesting thing about him is you ly

00:49:30 ◼   ► stick is actually the star of my

00:49:33 ◼   ► all-time favorite YouTube video which I

00:49:37 ◼   ► actually have since found out I think

00:49:38 ◼   ► maybe a little bit of a free boot but

00:49:40 ◼   ► it's been free booted so much now I

00:49:42 ◼   ► don't really know what to say this it's

00:49:43 ◼   ► a clip from a longer film where he's

00:49:46 ◼   ► climbing the Eiger in record time and

00:49:49 ◼   ► it's got a really cool song that I

00:49:51 ◼   ► really love to it as well this is the

00:49:53 ◼   ► video that you sent to me before the

00:49:55 ◼   ► show started of this again thing didn't

00:49:58 ◼   ► even occur to me but obviously there's

00:50:00 ◼   ► going to be records for how fast people

00:50:03 ◼   ► can summit yes and it seems like that

00:50:06 ◼   ► that was this guy specialty when I'm

00:50:08 ◼   ► watching this video it starts off by

00:50:09 ◼   ► he's saying oh you want to go quickly

00:50:11 ◼   ► but you can't make any mistakes

00:50:13 ◼   ► yeah and I'm just thinking like of

00:50:14 ◼   ► course that's any kind of climb you want

00:50:16 ◼   ► to get up quickly because you want to

00:50:17 ◼   ► get to the top or you want this

00:50:19 ◼   ► experience to be completed it didn't

00:50:22 ◼   ► occur to me that people would be racing

00:50:25 ◼   ► for time which just seems so crazy to me

00:50:28 ◼   ► it's that you're doing an already

00:50:30 ◼   ► dangerous thing and you're turning it

00:50:33 ◼   ► into a vertical race but the video is

00:50:37 ◼   ► very impressive to see him moving up the

00:50:40 ◼   ► mountain at quite a rapid pace it's an

00:50:43 ◼   ► impressive little video and I'll put it

00:50:44 ◼   ► in the show notes I'm pretty sure it's

00:50:46 ◼   ► the North Face of the Eiger which is

00:50:48 ◼   ► that the famous Face of the Eiger and is

00:50:50 ◼   ► also you always hear about North Face I

00:50:52 ◼   ► think that must come from the North Face

00:50:53 ◼   ► of the Eiger it's the famous difficult

00:50:55 ◼   ► climb he would go up with you know very

00:50:58 ◼   ► little equipment and super super fast so

00:51:01 ◼   ► when I saw that this person had died

00:51:03 ◼   ► oh that's the guy in that video isn't it

00:51:05 ◼   ► and I went back and sure enough so so

00:51:07 ◼   ► that was sad news that video is like

00:51:10 ◼   ► quite beautiful though isn't it like did

00:51:12 ◼   ► what did you think watching that video

00:51:14 ◼   ► like it's beautifully filmed it must be

00:51:16 ◼   ► really quite breathtaking to be in these

00:51:19 ◼   ► locations and and that that shot of him

00:51:21 ◼   ► right as he's like walking along the

00:51:24 ◼   ► crest of the mountain right toward

00:51:26 ◼   ► towards the peak it says I can't imagine

00:51:27 ◼   ► what that experience is like to have the

00:51:31 ◼   ► mountain plummeting down on on either

00:51:33 ◼   ► side of you as you're as you're walking

00:51:34 ◼   ► along this Ridge towards the top like it

00:51:36 ◼   ► must be an amazing experience well I'm

00:51:38 ◼   ► glad you said that that leads me to the

00:51:40 ◼   ► thing that this has had be thinking over

00:51:42 ◼   ► the last week or so obviously he died

00:51:45 ◼   ► falling off a mountain and when that

00:51:47 ◼   ► happens it's like well that's just a

00:51:49 ◼   ► total tragedy but he was a guy who was

00:51:52 ◼   ► very aware of the risk he talked a lot

00:51:53 ◼   ► about the risks of what he did he wasn't

00:51:55 ◼   ► like a cowboy he knew he was doing a

00:51:57 ◼   ► risky thing and he obviously made this

00:52:00 ◼   ► decision that it was worth it and when

00:52:03 ◼   ► you see that video and you see the sorts

00:52:04 ◼   ► of things he was experiencing it did

00:52:07 ◼   ► make me think about how do you make this

00:52:09 ◼   ► calculus of risk in your life versus

00:52:13 ◼   ► getting to experience that sort of

00:52:14 ◼   ► amazing stuff astronauts who walk go to

00:52:17 ◼   ► the moon people who do amazing things

00:52:19 ◼   ► and see amazing things but risk their

00:52:21 ◼   ► life doing it and like how does one make

00:52:24 ◼   ► that decision and it's very easy you

00:52:26 ◼   ► know the week after the person dies to

00:52:28 ◼   ► say well he made the wrong decision

00:52:29 ◼   ► because he's died at the age of 40 but

00:52:31 ◼   ► like I don't know I kind of think I get

00:52:34 ◼   ► why you were doing it but I think it was

00:52:35 ◼   ► and I kind of think it was worth the

00:52:37 ◼   ► risk

00:52:38 ◼   ► he you know he got to see and do lots of

00:52:40 ◼   ► amazing things that you and I will never

00:52:43 ◼   ► get to experience he got to experience

00:52:44 ◼   ► what it's like to go up that snow field

00:52:47 ◼   ► at the top of the Eiger on your own

00:52:48 ◼   ► after having just climbed the North Face

00:52:50 ◼   ► and that's pretty amazing stuff and I

00:52:52 ◼   ► guess you could say what counts for

00:52:53 ◼   ► nothing when you've died but I've been

00:52:55 ◼   ► thinking a lot about that calculus to

00:52:57 ◼   ► the last week or so because of his death

00:52:58 ◼   ► well we're all dust in the end Brady

00:53:00 ◼   ► like that doesn't change things but I

00:53:02 ◼   ► don't think a guy like this makes these

00:53:04 ◼   ► calculations I think people like this

00:53:06 ◼   ► are I mean this in the best possible way

00:53:09 ◼   ► I think they're total freaks

00:53:11 ◼   ► I think someone like this is

00:53:15 ◼   ► they're not doing any kind of like risk

00:53:17 ◼   ► reward calculation and feeling like I'll

00:53:19 ◼   ► see amazing things if I do this very

00:53:21 ◼   ► dangerous thing I think this is just a

00:53:22 ◼   ► person who was more or less born to do a

00:53:25 ◼   ► very extreme thing and you probably

00:53:27 ◼   ► couldn't possibly stop them whenever you

00:53:30 ◼   ► see people doing like really extreme

00:53:32 ◼   ► sports or or even things like astronauts

00:53:35 ◼   ► all right like someone becomes an

00:53:36 ◼   ► astronaut like those people are just

00:53:38 ◼   ► such extremely driven people as to be

00:53:43 ◼   ► such a small percentage of the human

00:53:45 ◼   ► population that it's it's just like of

00:53:47 ◼   ► course you were going to do something I

00:53:49 ◼   ► don't think this is a calculation as

00:53:51 ◼   ► happens in the human population like

00:53:54 ◼   ► there's going to be somebody who wants

00:53:55 ◼   ► to do this sort of thing they almost

00:53:58 ◼   ► can't help themselves I think I think

00:53:59 ◼   ► that's the way that works out okay is

00:54:02 ◼   ► that not what you want to hear Brady no

00:54:04 ◼   ► I mean yeah it makes sense um but I mean

00:54:07 ◼   ► I feel like I make the calculations like

00:54:08 ◼   ► I just I've gone to every Space Camp a

00:54:11 ◼   ► couple of times you know despite this

00:54:13 ◼   ► dicey Airport that some people are a bit

00:54:15 ◼   ► scared of and walking at the altitude

00:54:17 ◼   ► because I thought you know I waited up

00:54:20 ◼   ► and my desire to see this place and go

00:54:22 ◼   ► there was greater than mmm my fear that

00:54:24 ◼   ► you know I'd come to an untimely end but

00:54:27 ◼   ► on the other hand I really want to go

00:54:28 ◼   ► and see k2 and there's like a trip that

00:54:31 ◼   ► I've been looking into to go there

00:54:33 ◼   ► but it does involve going through a few

00:54:35 ◼   ► places that are not considered very safe

00:54:36 ◼   ► for sort of political reasons and I've

00:54:40 ◼   ► been put off that and I've decided not

00:54:41 ◼   ► to do that at the moment because I don't

00:54:43 ◼   ► think it's worth it you know when I've

00:54:45 ◼   ► weighed everything up so I feel like I

00:54:47 ◼   ► do make those decisions and I just

00:54:49 ◼   ► wonder yeah but precisely precisely you

00:54:52 ◼   ► making those decisions is the reason

00:54:54 ◼   ► that you're not doing speed runs up

00:54:56 ◼   ► Mount Everest right that's precisely

00:54:59 ◼   ► what I'm saying right as I like I don't

00:55:01 ◼   ► think that there's another person who's

00:55:02 ◼   ► doing the calculus in the other way like

00:55:04 ◼   ► yes no I think this is gonna be worth it

00:55:06 ◼   ► I think someone like this is just like I

00:55:08 ◼   ► got a client like I gotta climb

00:55:09 ◼   ► mountains fast and I just I don't know

00:55:11 ◼   ► why but I just have to do it like I

00:55:13 ◼   ► think that's what this is so you think

00:55:15 ◼   ► when he would do tall I know you haven't

00:55:17 ◼   ► followed his career or read interviews

00:55:19 ◼   ► with him but you think when he would do

00:55:20 ◼   ► talk about you know I'm aware of the

00:55:22 ◼   ► risks and I weigh things up you think

00:55:24 ◼   ► that's just lip service and really he

00:55:26 ◼   ► just had this drive that was

00:55:28 ◼   ► all-consuming

00:55:29 ◼   ► yeah lips lip service isn't exactly

00:55:32 ◼   ► right but it's like I just think that

00:55:33 ◼   ► the like the way the person's brain is

00:55:36 ◼   ► set up is doing this calculation in a

00:55:39 ◼   ► very different way than anybody else

00:55:40 ◼   ► would do it that's what I mean is like

00:55:42 ◼   ► the adrenaline reward wired in his brain

00:55:45 ◼   ► is like way higher than it would be for

00:55:48 ◼   ► somebody else right and it's also a

00:55:50 ◼   ► person who's probably had like just the

00:55:52 ◼   ► right experiences to be this sort of

00:55:55 ◼   ► person so that's what I mean by like

00:55:57 ◼   ► people who do this kind of stuff are

00:55:59 ◼   ► freaks in a particular way I often use

00:56:04 ◼   ► this example of like like Richard

00:56:06 ◼   ► Branson as a business person who I think

00:56:09 ◼   ► is this similar thing he's like oh he's

00:56:11 ◼   ► like a broken human being but he's

00:56:13 ◼   ► broken in such a way that he can't stop

00:56:16 ◼   ► starting businesses I think it's just

00:56:18 ◼   ► things like kind of hardwired into him

00:56:19 ◼   ► it's not a thing that's about whenever

00:56:22 ◼   ► you're looking at anybody who's in like

00:56:23 ◼   ► the top point Oh 1% of people in any

00:56:25 ◼   ► category you just it's crazy to think

00:56:28 ◼   ► that they'd be like a normal person

00:56:30 ◼   ► who's just decided to do something else

00:56:32 ◼   ► like I think all of those people are

00:56:34 ◼   ► sort of freaks who can't help themselves

00:56:37 ◼   ► that's why like you're saying they're

00:56:39 ◼   ► thinking about all the political

00:56:40 ◼   ► problems and wherever I need to fly

00:56:41 ◼   ► through to get to k2 like yeah that's

00:56:42 ◼   ► why you're not that's why you're not

00:56:44 ◼   ► climbing up k2 I mean maybe in your

00:56:46 ◼   ► retirement brain yeah you have more time

00:56:47 ◼   ► to it you'll you'll do things a little

00:56:49 ◼   ► bit differently but that's kind of my

00:56:51 ◼   ► take on it like I just don't think these

00:56:52 ◼   ► are normal people I think like

00:56:54 ◼   ► definitionally they have to not be

00:56:56 ◼   ► normal people he was the same age as me

00:56:58 ◼   ► oh really

00:56:59 ◼   ► and he twice won this award which is

00:57:02 ◼   ► like the Oscars of mountaineering I like

00:57:04 ◼   ► that there's like mountaineering has

00:57:05 ◼   ► this rewarded for you how does that even

00:57:06 ◼   ► mean the Oscars of mountaineering that

00:57:08 ◼   ► doesn't make any sense I can't pronounce

00:57:10 ◼   ► that the payload or which French for the

00:57:14 ◼   ► golden ice axe the annual mountaineering

00:57:16 ◼   ► award given by the French magazine

00:57:17 ◼   ► Montag's I don't understand how that

00:57:20 ◼   ► could work I think it's if you do

00:57:23 ◼   ► something that year that's like

00:57:24 ◼   ► pioneering lucky you know you piety or

00:57:26 ◼   ► some new route or you do you climb

00:57:28 ◼   ► something in a new way that hasn't been

00:57:30 ◼   ► done before it's like I don't know I'm

00:57:33 ◼   ► trying to I'm trying to get a nice

00:57:35 ◼   ► little precis of what it's given for but

00:57:36 ◼   ► I can't really find it anyway

00:57:39 ◼   ► there has been another death at base

00:57:41 ◼   ► camp he was attempting to become the

00:57:44 ◼   ► oldest man to climb Everest he had been

00:57:47 ◼   ► the oldest man before his record had

00:57:50 ◼   ► been taken from him so he was trying to

00:57:52 ◼   ► get it back and he was 85 and he died

00:57:56 ◼   ► bassist here he died he was Nepalese so

00:57:59 ◼   ► he was quite he was quite good at

00:58:01 ◼   ► altitude but he died at base camp they

00:58:04 ◼   ► think of a heart attack which you know

00:58:07 ◼   ► again very sad hard to be completely

00:58:09 ◼   ► shocked when someone really old dies

00:58:11 ◼   ► trying to climb the highest mountain in

00:58:13 ◼   ► the world yeah I'm not surprised when 85

00:58:16 ◼   ► year old man dies of a heart attack at

00:58:17 ◼   ► Everest base camp

00:58:19 ◼   ► that's not exactly shocking news no this

00:58:22 ◼   ► is the thing I wanted to ask you about

00:58:23 ◼   ► was that the authorities now in Nepal

00:58:27 ◼   ► are considering an age limit on people

00:58:30 ◼   ► climbing Everest you have to be over 16

00:58:32 ◼   ► to be allowed to climb Everest to get a

00:58:34 ◼   ► permit they're now considering putting a

00:58:36 ◼   ► limit on and for some reason I'm not

00:58:39 ◼   ► exactly sure why I've got a theory why

00:58:41 ◼   ► but I don't know they're thinking of

00:58:42 ◼   ► setting the limit as 76 so okay I need

00:58:49 ◼   ► to know your theory is what why do you

00:58:50 ◼   ► think 76 this Nepalese guy that would

00:58:53 ◼   ► held the record before did climber at

00:58:57 ◼   ► the age of 76 so I wonder if maybe

00:58:59 ◼   ► they're using that could the record know

00:59:01 ◼   ► is 80 a Japanese guy who was 80 broke

00:59:04 ◼   ► the REC broke the record but this this

00:59:07 ◼   ► Nepalese guy that used to have the

00:59:08 ◼   ► record was 76 when he did it so I wonder

00:59:10 ◼   ► if maybe that number is being used

00:59:12 ◼   ► somehow there could be other reasons I

00:59:14 ◼   ► don't know but what do you think about

00:59:15 ◼   ► setting an age limit on climbing Mount

00:59:18 ◼   ► Everest because you're all into like you

00:59:20 ◼   ► know freedom and people can do what they

00:59:22 ◼   ► want yeah stuff that seems crazy I mean

00:59:24 ◼   ► I there's a thing that I don't like

00:59:26 ◼   ► which is rules for what I imagine are

00:59:28 ◼   ► really rare circumstances how many

00:59:30 ◼   ► people over 65 are trying to climb

00:59:32 ◼   ► Everest every year how many people can

00:59:35 ◼   ► that possibly be I'm imagining it's not

00:59:37 ◼   ► a huge number and it's like if if

00:59:40 ◼   ► someone someone who is older wants to

00:59:42 ◼   ► try to climb Everest and presumably you

00:59:46 ◼   ► know you have to sign some waiver or

00:59:47 ◼   ► whatever be like yeah I know I'm

00:59:49 ◼   ► climbing Everest I know is going to be

00:59:50 ◼   ► dangerous like I don't I don't like this

00:59:52 ◼   ► kind of stuff

00:59:53 ◼   ► like why what what is the point of this

00:59:56 ◼   ► to stop people from dying on Everest

00:59:58 ◼   ► it's like well it seems like lots of

00:59:59 ◼   ► people

00:59:59 ◼   ► people

01:00:00 ◼   ► well died on Everest what difference

01:00:01 ◼   ► does it make if they dive they're old

01:00:02 ◼   ► well I can give you a point if you want

01:00:04 ◼   ► one just to make the argument and that

01:00:06 ◼   ► is when people get into strife on

01:00:08 ◼   ► Everest that actually can cause a lot of

01:00:11 ◼   ► other people strife because inevitably

01:00:13 ◼   ► sometimes they'll try to rescue them

01:00:15 ◼   ► it's very costly to try and rescue

01:00:17 ◼   ► people people can lose their life trying

01:00:20 ◼   ► to help other people who are losing

01:00:21 ◼   ► their life so getting more people on the

01:00:24 ◼   ► mountain who are incredibly likely to

01:00:26 ◼   ► get into strife has that implication you

01:00:30 ◼   ► know if you send someone up there who's

01:00:31 ◼   ► almost definitely going to get

01:00:32 ◼   ► themselves into trouble and then

01:00:34 ◼   ► everyone else is going to have to try to

01:00:35 ◼   ► save them suddenly you're risking a

01:00:36 ◼   ► whole bunch of other lives so that's

01:00:38 ◼   ► that's an argument I have a question for

01:00:40 ◼   ► you because I don't I don't know is

01:00:42 ◼   ► there some kind of qualification that

01:00:43 ◼   ► you need to do to climb Mount Everest

01:00:45 ◼   ► do you need to prove yourself physically

01:00:48 ◼   ► in some way I actually do not know the

01:00:50 ◼   ► answer to that famously that people

01:00:52 ◼   ► complain that you know any old tourist

01:00:54 ◼   ► can get dragged to the top practically

01:00:56 ◼   ► by their guides but I don't know how

01:00:59 ◼   ► much that's an exaggeration and you have

01:01:00 ◼   ► to prove some kind of ability I imagine

01:01:04 ◼   ► most of the companies that help you get

01:01:05 ◼   ► to the top of Everest would reply and

01:01:07 ◼   ► say yes we have a vetting process we

01:01:09 ◼   ► don't take any Tom Dick or Harry up

01:01:11 ◼   ► there how stringent that is I don't know

01:01:15 ◼   ► and I don't know I don't know that the

01:01:17 ◼   ► answer is I don't know I guess I mean

01:01:18 ◼   ► like what I'm wondering is like okay

01:01:20 ◼   ► let's say I go out and I buy some boots

01:01:21 ◼   ► and then I fly to Nepal and I all right

01:01:23 ◼   ► I'm walking up that mountain with what's

01:01:25 ◼   ► gonna stop me from doing that you would

01:01:26 ◼   ► have to get a permit from the government

01:01:28 ◼   ► okay to go above a certain height so if

01:01:30 ◼   ► you are not doing it with a company and

01:01:31 ◼   ► you're just going on your own right I

01:01:33 ◼   ► don't know how easy it is to get permits

01:01:37 ◼   ► for that and that I don't know what the

01:01:38 ◼   ► government would require from you I

01:01:40 ◼   ► don't know how they check so there

01:01:42 ◼   ► exists some sort of permit yes to go

01:01:44 ◼   ► above a certain height like I went to

01:01:46 ◼   ► base camp if I when I was there I sat or

01:01:48 ◼   ► I think I got the kubu ice fault and see

01:01:50 ◼   ► how far I can get I would be breaking

01:01:51 ◼   ► the law okay like that was as far as I'm

01:01:53 ◼   ► allowed to go without a permit right and

01:01:55 ◼   ► then the Everest police would grab you

01:01:57 ◼   ► when they bridge whenever is Jail okay

01:01:58 ◼   ► and the permits are super expensive all

01:02:02 ◼   ► right my feeling and this is whatever

01:02:05 ◼   ► you need to get the permit like that

01:02:06 ◼   ► that should I just don't like this

01:02:08 ◼   ► artificial like for your own good rule I

01:02:12 ◼   ► would be totally fine if

01:02:13 ◼   ► there was like Oh as part of the permit

01:02:15 ◼   ► process when you arrived in Nepal

01:02:17 ◼   ► there's a exercise room and you have to

01:02:20 ◼   ► be able to complete a certain number of

01:02:21 ◼   ► physical tasks to demonstrate that

01:02:23 ◼   ► you're able to do this right yeah and I

01:02:25 ◼   ► was like that's that's fine that's

01:02:26 ◼   ► totally fine like I wouldn't have any

01:02:28 ◼   ► problem with that I don't like the age

01:02:31 ◼   ► limit seems to be arbitrary yeah it

01:02:33 ◼   ► seems a bit arbitrary right but it's

01:02:35 ◼   ► like if you have to go into a room and

01:02:36 ◼   ► you have to be able to do 100 pushups

01:02:37 ◼   ► yeah and if you can't do 100 pushups

01:02:39 ◼   ► they don't let you climb the mountain

01:02:41 ◼   ► yeah that seems fine right I would be

01:02:44 ◼   ► okay with that if a bunch of pensioners

01:02:46 ◼   ► want to freeze to death on Mount Everest

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01:04:27 ◼   ► other title as your freebie I finally

01:04:31 ◼   ► met someone who made a strong case for

01:04:32 ◼   ► the Apple watch

01:04:33 ◼   ► really I almost feel a little bit

01:04:35 ◼   ► insulted by the way you started this

01:04:36 ◼   ► conversation because I feel like how

01:04:38 ◼   ► many times have we discussed here we've

01:04:39 ◼   ► discussed this many times Gray has often

01:04:41 ◼   ► over dinner and over a drink

01:04:43 ◼   ► you know women not podcasting I

01:04:45 ◼   ► sometimes say to gray gray sell me on

01:04:47 ◼   ► the Apple watch and he tells me why he

01:04:49 ◼   ► likes it how it fits in with his life I

01:04:51 ◼   ► understand the logic of the things that

01:04:54 ◼   ► gray says the honey makes sense and like

01:04:57 ◼   ► okay you know if that's if that's how

01:05:00 ◼   ► your brain works and that's what you

01:05:01 ◼   ► want I can get it but the case you make

01:05:04 ◼   ► never seems compelling enough to me it

01:05:06 ◼   ► doesn't it just never lands and they're

01:05:08 ◼   ► really like like even in your case I

01:05:10 ◼   ► think the things you're saying it helps

01:05:13 ◼   ► you with don't seem strong enough to me

01:05:15 ◼   ► for what I think the pleasure I imagine

01:05:17 ◼   ► you could get from having like a nicer

01:05:19 ◼   ► watch that's just me that's just me no

01:05:22 ◼   ► it is like I wanted to get you on record

01:05:24 ◼   ► for that because I do always think it's

01:05:26 ◼   ► funny because it's it's not just that

01:05:27 ◼   ► you find my reasons unconvincing for you

01:05:30 ◼   ► you find my reasons unconvincing for me

01:05:33 ◼   ► yeah I kind of play I kind of do I can't

01:05:35 ◼   ► I mean obviously it's your decision and

01:05:37 ◼   ► obviously the case is compelling enough

01:05:39 ◼   ► because you wear an Apple watch and you

01:05:40 ◼   ► don't wear the other watch but I feel

01:05:42 ◼   ► almost a bit I know it sounds really

01:05:43 ◼   ► arrogant but I feel almost like if only

01:05:45 ◼   ► you knew but I know like I know yeah we

01:05:49 ◼   ► have is like I can see it in your little

01:05:50 ◼   ► baby eyes yeah but you're thinking like

01:05:52 ◼   ► Oh gray I know better than you on this

01:05:55 ◼   ► topic and if only I get that's how I

01:05:58 ◼   ► feel that's how I feel but I spoke to

01:06:00 ◼   ► someone the other day thinking it would

01:06:01 ◼   ► the discussion would go the same way and

01:06:03 ◼   ► at the end of it I was like now okay you

01:06:05 ◼   ► should have an Apple watch okay I have

01:06:08 ◼   ► to know what is this argument well he

01:06:10 ◼   ► was the person driving me to the airport

01:06:12 ◼   ► okay so he's our like a car driver

01:06:15 ◼   ► he runs a car service for a living and

01:06:18 ◼   ► he used to have nice watches and then it

01:06:23 ◼   ► was an Apple watch tumbler why do you

01:06:24 ◼   ► why do you wear the Apple watch tell me

01:06:25 ◼   ► and the two reasons that seemed

01:06:28 ◼   ► completely compelling to me and they

01:06:30 ◼   ► were both relating to his work one is

01:06:33 ◼   ► he's always driving and just being able

01:06:36 ◼   ► to fix his wrist while still holding the

01:06:38 ◼   ► steering wheel to see what's going on

01:06:40 ◼   ► is a strong case as opposed to fishing a

01:06:42 ◼   ► phone out which is not only dangerous

01:06:44 ◼   ► but it's illegal mm-hmm and I don't want

01:06:46 ◼   ► any driver fishing their telephone out

01:06:48 ◼   ► and checking their phone all the time

01:06:49 ◼   ► but he can just flick his wrist at the

01:06:51 ◼   ► wheel and he's driving all day long row

01:06:53 ◼   ► so but the second part of that is is the

01:06:57 ◼   ► business case he's self-employed he

01:06:59 ◼   ► needs to get bookings it's an industry

01:07:01 ◼   ► where booking cars I'm like this if I

01:07:04 ◼   ► try to book a car with someone and they

01:07:05 ◼   ► don't get back to me really quickly

01:07:07 ◼   ► I'll just book one with someone else

01:07:08 ◼   ► because I want to get it done so he

01:07:10 ◼   ► can't afford to miss opportunities so he

01:07:14 ◼   ► needs notifications to him are so

01:07:17 ◼   ► important and he's driving all the time

01:07:19 ◼   ► so being notified every time an email

01:07:22 ◼   ► comes in from someone who might want to

01:07:24 ◼   ► book him seems really compelling and

01:07:27 ◼   ► like it would start to hurt his business

01:07:29 ◼   ► if he was missing those messages those

01:07:31 ◼   ► emails and those opportunities so the

01:07:33 ◼   ► fact he's always driving combined with

01:07:36 ◼   ► his really really compelling need for

01:07:39 ◼   ► notifications which I think's much

01:07:41 ◼   ► stronger than your need for

01:07:42 ◼   ► notifications as you've told me he sold

01:07:44 ◼   ► me on and I was like all right I still

01:07:46 ◼   ► think your watch looks a bit Nath

01:07:48 ◼   ► but I see why you're wearing it it

01:07:53 ◼   ► sounds like you're just making a case

01:07:54 ◼   ► for distracted driving that's what it

01:07:55 ◼   ► sounds like that's like a prayer so I'm

01:07:57 ◼   ► listening this is like this guy doesn't

01:07:59 ◼   ► need an Apple watch that the all I'm

01:08:00 ◼   ► hearing is like I'd be trying to talk

01:08:02 ◼   ► this guy out of his Apple watch that

01:08:03 ◼   ► sounds it's like oh great now I've got a

01:08:05 ◼   ► guy who's looking at his watch a hundred

01:08:07 ◼   ► times while he's driving this is no good

01:08:08 ◼   ► hey dude look at his watch once the

01:08:10 ◼   ► whole trip but I was soda I was Arthur

01:08:12 ◼   ► okay I can't visit the worst argument in

01:08:15 ◼   ► the world and this is what you feel like

01:08:16 ◼   ► you finally see someone has a compelling

01:08:18 ◼   ► reason to use the Apple watch I can't

01:08:20 ◼   ► believe this no because you are like a

01:08:22 ◼   ► bit

01:08:22 ◼   ► mumsy about safety you're thinking mom

01:08:24 ◼   ► say something something that is this

01:08:26 ◼   ► slanderous there's a slanderous

01:08:28 ◼   ► accusation where you are a bit you are a

01:08:30 ◼   ► bit of a little you're a bit careful so

01:08:32 ◼   ► I think so when I tell this story you're

01:08:34 ◼   ► set you're seeing the horror of someone

01:08:36 ◼   ► looking at their watchin crashing

01:08:37 ◼   ► whereas I see more just a glance oh

01:08:40 ◼   ► that's something I need to deal with and

01:08:42 ◼   ► I will you know at the next petrol

01:08:44 ◼   ► station I don't see it as a safety

01:08:46 ◼   ► concern but I can see how the gray eyes

01:08:49 ◼   ► of safety are seeing it somewhat

01:08:51 ◼   ► differently he could just he could just

01:08:53 ◼   ► check his phone at the pet

01:08:54 ◼   ► no station instead this is a keg I feel

01:08:56 ◼   ► infuriated that this is the argument you

01:08:58 ◼   ► feel like is landed for you for an Apple

01:09:00 ◼   ► watch this is crazy this is crazy

01:09:02 ◼   ► Wow I think people using their phones

01:09:04 ◼   ► while driving is like really really bad

01:09:06 ◼   ► yeah of course and at least this is a

01:09:08 ◼   ► bit safer and you're never going to stop

01:09:11 ◼   ► people connecting while driving you just

01:09:14 ◼   ► can't do it it's an impossible it's

01:09:15 ◼   ► impossible gray like you cannot stop

01:09:19 ◼   ► people wanting to check emails and

01:09:21 ◼   ► Internet's and things and social media

01:09:23 ◼   ► while driving it just can't be done and

01:09:26 ◼   ► if the watch like scales that back a

01:09:28 ◼   ► little bit okay I'll take it I'll take

01:09:32 ◼   ► it okay so you're doing this thing is

01:09:34 ◼   ► like it's not that he's going to be a

01:09:35 ◼   ► responsible person and check his

01:09:37 ◼   ► notifications at the petrol station you

01:09:39 ◼   ► are saying it's less distracting for him

01:09:41 ◼   ► using the watch but he's still doing a

01:09:43 ◼   ► bad thing that's what you feel like here

01:09:45 ◼   ► that's your argument

01:09:45 ◼   ► I'm not doing anything I'm trying to say

01:09:48 ◼   ► something I'm trying to say something

01:09:50 ◼   ► nice about the stupid Kaka toy Apple

01:09:53 ◼   ► watch for once and you're slapping me

01:09:55 ◼   ► down because this is a little chunky

01:09:58 ◼   ► silly thing and I'm like I'm trying to

01:10:01 ◼   ► throw you a bone and now you're saying

01:10:03 ◼   ► he should check his phone at the petrol

01:10:04 ◼   ► station okay and get yourself a nice

01:10:06 ◼   ► watch too while you're at it that's what

01:10:08 ◼   ► I'm thinking this guy should this guy

01:10:09 ◼   ► should be checking his phone at the

01:10:10 ◼   ► petrol station and he should get a nice

01:10:12 ◼   ► watch so I just disagree disagree we can

01:10:15 ◼   ► never we can never come to a meeting of

01:10:17 ◼   ► the minds on the Apple watch Brady until

01:10:19 ◼   ► eventually one of these days you will

01:10:21 ◼   ► end up with a SmartWatch just like I

01:10:23 ◼   ► know you will it's only a matter of time

01:10:24 ◼   ► so Brady I need an update on something a

01:10:29 ◼   ► little bit more first-hand journalism

01:10:31 ◼   ► hmm I know you've been to the US and I

01:10:34 ◼   ► probably have very many US stories but

01:10:36 ◼   ► there's one thing that I want to know

01:10:37 ◼   ► which is tell me are the at-ats are they

01:10:42 ◼   ► still a Dulles are they still there they

01:10:45 ◼   ► most certainly are

01:10:46 ◼   ► oh thank god yeah so I've just been

01:10:49 ◼   ► there it was my first time at Dulles now

01:10:54 ◼   ► gray has spoken rather negatively about

01:10:57 ◼   ► Washington Dulles Airport uh-huh over

01:11:00 ◼   ► the course of this podcast it's true

01:11:03 ◼   ► Stan he made it sound pretty terrible so

01:11:07 ◼   ► this was my first

01:11:08 ◼   ► saying it with my own eyes and I have to

01:11:10 ◼   ► say I'm inclined to agree with gray okay

01:11:15 ◼   ► thank God I was like I was I was wait I

01:11:17 ◼   ► could feel myself building up like this

01:11:19 ◼   ► this tension because I don't like Brady

01:11:21 ◼   ► Brady's gonna spout a bunch of nonsense

01:11:23 ◼   ► about how it's not so bad and he's hard

01:11:25 ◼   ► as nails okay so but you're on my side

01:11:28 ◼   ► with this one I arrived but I was a

01:11:29 ◼   ► little bit excited I was going to get to

01:11:31 ◼   ► see these ATS maybe if they were still

01:11:33 ◼   ► operating we didn't know if that there

01:11:34 ◼   ► was there were rumors that they were no

01:11:35 ◼   ► longer operating because of some train

01:11:37 ◼   ► that's being built but anyway I got off

01:11:40 ◼   ► my plane and I didn't quite realize how

01:11:43 ◼   ► these ATS would work but it was like we