The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► then i regrab it and go thumb thumb [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► thumb thumb thumb thumb anyway max speed [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► should be higher all right as usual we [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► should start with follow-up and as usual [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► we have a PFS related follow-up how do [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► we have this every week yes I swear to [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► you I'm not like intentionally trying to [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► make this a streak it's just it's just [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► had happening naturally is this like the [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► bell lobby like influencing us like what [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► is going on here who knows but live [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► Liberty RPF from Twitter writes a PFS [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► doesn't support compression yet what if [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► I Mac OS you've run something like [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► clusters to compress everything the [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► filesystem level what do we make of that [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► John I hadn't thought of this before so [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► there are a couple things about this [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► this was a tweet right I'm I also most [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► agree my recollection is a BFS does not [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► support compression but I would not like [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► am I sure about that maybe not maybe [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► like it actually does have built-in [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► support for the HFS+ compression and [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► they just never say anything I don't [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► know but anyway assuming it doesn't [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► support compression which is my [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► recollection at this point it is true [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► that on Macs even if you never run any [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► third party utility a whole bunch of the [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► files that like come with the operating [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► system and stuff are compressed on disk [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► right and then HHS plus is native [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► compression feature they added many [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► releases ago and you just wonder get [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► read from the file system that gets [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► reinflates to its normal size and it's [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► all transparent to you know the rest of [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► the operating system is just it just [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► takes up less room on disk right so the [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► AP FS conversion thing iOS anyway is [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► like leave all the data exactly where it [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► is and just make new pointers to it and [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► blah blah don't like move anything [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► around I have no idea if iOS uses the [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► HFS+ compression feature but I know max [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► do and also on Mac there are third-party [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► utilities that can wander over the rest [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► of your filesystem and compress stuff or [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► HFS+ basically oh this file right here [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► make it be compressed on disk and you [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► know you could write your own little [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► programs to do this right so on a Mac it [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► is very likely in fact I'm most certain [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► that you know one or more files are [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► compressed now if a Mac is going to have [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► the same sort of in-place conversion to [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► a BFS that iOS devices have you have [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► kind of a [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► weird situation where it can't just [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► leave all the data exactly where it is [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► because if API us can't decompress stuff [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► the can't just leave that data is [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► compressed because it'll be scrambled [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► garbage after you know a BFS point [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► students that here's the file data and [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► you go to read it and it's compressed [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► garbage a BOS has to either know how to [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► decompress that on the fly just like [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► HFS+ which seems to me to be the easiest [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► solution because then you don't have to [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► worry about all these issues that I'm [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► about to explain or you have to expand [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► those files to their uncompressed [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► version which means you need to find [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► space for them which means you actually [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► have to copy the data to someplace else [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► and shuffle things around and now it [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► becomes suddenly a way more dangerous [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► operation than it was before and in the [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► worst case scenario [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► someone's got tons of stuff compressed [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► with hfs+ compression and their disk is [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► almost full and there's literally no [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► room on just to expand everything [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► because if you were to expand everything [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► you would exceed the capacity of the [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► disk so I'm hoping that I'm either just [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► misremembering or a BFS has support for [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► HFS+ compression just transparently [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► included and it just hasn't been brought [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► up or they told me and I forgot or [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► whatever because that would certainly [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► simplify things but that's not the case [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► it'll be very interesting to see what [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► happens with the with the Mac rollout of [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► AP FS and in which maybe someone in the [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► chat room knows I wish I knew if I OS [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► also uses HS plus compression I would [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► imagine it would too is I don't see any [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► reason it wouldn't do it or maybe [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► battery life I don't know chat room says [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► it the iOS does have support support [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► sure but like do all the OS files [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► compressed like they are on not all of [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► them but I don't know if if you get a [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► phone from a store and just take it out [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► of the box are a bunch of the files on [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► the formerly hfs+ disk compressed if you [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► would done this like a year ago I don't [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► know anyway it will be an adventure I'm [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► still waiting for the Mac roll out of AP [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► FS because converting on it all our [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► phones was boring except for the apps [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► that broke fair enough [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► alright moving on uh we got some very [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► interesting feedback via David Carlton [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► about WWDC lunches which is the topic [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► that keeps on living I love so much he [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► linked us I actually loved it as well I [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► linked us to the GDC boss-lady blog by [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► Meghan scavino skivvy oh excuse me so [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► she writes with regard to the game [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► purrs conference the other recognizer [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► will change this year's lunch we reduce [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► the price of conference passes by the [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► cost of lunch that box lunch that you [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► all know and love in wish you could [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► consume five days a week all year round [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► is $40 a day she writes I'll give you a [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► minute to stop choking on your Doritos [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► ready yes $40 a day for sandwich chips [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► Apple cookie and water soda I could not [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► make this stuff up even if I wanted to [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► we decided to give the attendees a [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► choice this year spend as much as you'd [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► like by buying from one of the many [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► on-site concessions or nearby food [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► repositories or pre-order in pay for the [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► $40 a day meal it is now your decision I [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► trust you will make the right one and [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► the catch here which I didn't explain is [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► that that GDC apparently at the time of [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► this writing was happening at Moscone so [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► holy smokes $40 a day for that disaster [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► yeah I mean this is the the story the [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► story with conferences and things like [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► this is what any kind of any kind of [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► like exhibitor of conferences or if [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► you're gonna like set up a booth a [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► conference you've probably gone through [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► a lot of this crap basically doing [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► anything inside of a big conference hall [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► usually involves dealing with ridiculous [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► exclusive contractors and exclusive [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► vendors and possible Union politics and [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► what you think these things should cost [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► they cost way way way more than that so [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► this is like you know food service [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► exclusive provider for Moscone provides [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► these lunches and Apple pretty much has [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► to pay whatever their price is because [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► they aren't allowed to bring in food [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► from anybody else into Moscone it's that [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► kind of arrangement usually it's like [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► you know if you're setting up a booth [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► for like a small trade show and you need [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► like a Serge strip you can't bring your [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► own search if you have to use their [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► search strip installed by one of their [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► licensed people to install it it's going [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► to cost you $400 like it's it's that [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► kind of thing usually at these at these [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► large venues so I'm not really surprised [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► to hear this it's it's sad and if you [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► ever book one of these things it [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► probably makes you angry but it's not [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► surprising even when you're not in a [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► conference center like it at work we [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► have you know food they bring in they [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► try to bring like healthy food so you [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► have like apples and bananas and stuff [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► and I when I first started doing this I [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► heard someone throwing around the idea [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► that each one of those apples was 2 [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► bucks which you know doesn't seem like [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► too much but on the other [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► and you just look at the giant pile of [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► apples be like oh that adds up and [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► that's this is in a non-conference [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► center environment so in general but [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► just getting large amounts of stuff in a [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► place where it normally wouldn't appear [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► whether it's apples and offices or box [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► lunches and at conventions that across a [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► lot and then yeah they all be exclusive [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► contracts and unions makes it really [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► expensive and remember this this $40.00 [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► thing this post was from many years ago [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► right there was a seven years ago yeah [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► so it's probably like a hundred bucks [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► now so if you if you do this math forty [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► dollars a day times five days WDC [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► actually I guess it's four cuz I don't [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► serve do they serve lunch on Friday just [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► enough yeah okay so five days times five [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► thousand attendees which doesn't count [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► for all the Apple people that is a [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► million dollars on these gods and that [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► lunches yeah that's a thing when you [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► have these kind of like you know special [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► special venues a special deal with [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► everybody and restrictions on you doing [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► anything else I mean they can charge [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► kind of whatever they want by the way [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► see also weddings and hospitals well [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► it's bad right so I think that's it for [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► follow up surprisingly this is a miracle [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► I don't know what to make of this now I [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► I have some alternative topics we could [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► put in follow up copyright 2011 John [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► siracusa but I think you have to did [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► pretty well defending Plex onconnected [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► yeah well yeah that was that was [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► intended for follow up here but I [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► actually did a guest spot on connected [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► earlier this week and we'll put a link [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► in the show notes if you don't listen [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► connected our dear friend of the show [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► Federico vtg slandered the Plex name and [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► in in not the latest episode but the [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► prior one and this could not stand and [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► as such I was planning on a probably 15 [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► or 20 minute follow-up section were [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► really a follow out copyright 2015 or 16 [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► Jason Snell built upon the work [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► copyright 2010 John Surtees anyway [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► during I was he has a derivative work [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► III had planned on doing some follow out [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► with regard to connected with in their [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► thoughts on Plex but I was asked [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► probably out of desperation because Mike [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► was not in town I was asked to guest on [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► the beginning of the latest episode [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► which I will put a link in the show [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► notes like I said it's at the very [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► beginning of the episode and I kind of [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► talk about what makes Plex awesome and [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► why it's not nearly as hard to use as [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► you would expect [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► if you're at all interested in that I do [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► encourage you to check it out but yeah [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► because of that our follow up in this [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► show including follow out is pretty much [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► done I will say since we're talking [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► about Plex anyway alright here we go [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► this is how we always get there one big [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► thing that I that I don't think you guys [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► really covered enough that I wanted to [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► point it because I I was also a Plex [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► skeptic for years Casey would always bug [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► me about how great it was and why do I [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► do this and tell me all the great things [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► that well you know if you had Plex you [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► wouldn't have this problem right now and [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► and one of the the great values to me of [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► Plex in a world where we can stream [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► pretty much everything we want all the [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► time and that is when you have children [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► and the children really want to watch a [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► specific thing wet you know at a certain [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► time that they do that every day and if [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► you if this thing is not available for [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► kids it's going to cause problems for [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► the parents and there's lots of times in [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► life to teach your kids they can't [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► always get what they want but a lot of [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► times you don't want to have that [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► discussion right now you just want to [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► give the kid the TV show they wanted to [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► watch so you can go wash the dishes or [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► something and sometimes internet [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► connections go down sometimes iTunes [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► freaks out and won't authorize anything [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► sometimes things break in the online [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► world and it is really really nice when [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► that happens which is rare but when that [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► does happen it's really nice to have [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► Plex running in your home and everything [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► you need to play the media you want to [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► play is on your local network and DRM [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► free and that means there is no reliance [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► on your FiOS being out or not out [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► there's no reliance on the Apple DRM [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► servers authorizing you to watch what [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► you paid for or not it's just playing a [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► file off a network share and it just [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► works [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► and that's really really nice when you [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► need it yep and if you have friends [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► which also have Plex servers and [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► accounts and whatnot you can stream from [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► each other so I've been amassing a [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► collection of Daniel Tiger and paw [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► Patrol and things of that nature and so [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► these are probably beneath Adam at this [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► point but hypothetically if Adam wanted [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► paw Patrol [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► and and it isn't on Netflix or iTunes is [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► down whatever the case may be [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► Marco can hop on Plex tell Plex don't [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► look at my local server look at Casey's [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► server and and he can stream that [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► directly from me to him which is really [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► awesome and so once you've built up a [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► kind of quote-unquote network of you [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► know a few friends that all have media [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► it's it's actually kind of your own [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► personal Netflix it's it's really [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► phenomenal and really really cool we are [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► sponsored this week by fracture go to [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► fracture me.com slash podcast and select [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► ATP there so they know you came from [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► here fracture is a photo decor company [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► they are out to rescue your favorite [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► images from the digital ether and here's [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► how to do that they print beautiful [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► photo prints in vivid color on two [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► sheets of glass that hang on your wall [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► or stand up on your desk it is really [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► just they they print your photos on [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► these nice thin panes of glass and you [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► just hang that on your wall and the [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► photos go edge to edge there's no frame [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► there's no frame needed even the photos [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► are their own standalone objects that go [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► edge to edge with the print and it looks [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► so clean and modern to just have the [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► photo across the whole expanse they make [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► great gifts as well you know Mother's [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► Day is right around the corner you can [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► get you know suppose you have kids and [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► you want to get pictures you know of [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► your kids for your mother or for maybe [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► their grandmother it's a great gift idea [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► for all sorts of occasions friends [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► family and these things just look great [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► around the house we have them all over [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► our house and we get compliments every [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► time somebody comes over and say hey [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► what's that is that a fracture if [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► they've heard of it like it they just [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► look fantastic these great photo prints [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► and they really want you to get those [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► photos out of the social media feeds [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► that they kind of get stuck in because [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► if you know you post a great picture to [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► Facebook or Instagram or whatever and [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► then in eight hours it's gone you'll [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► like never see it again because it's off [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► the end of the timeline get those best [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► photos out get them printed by fracture [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► it looks great [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► they look great either in your house or [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► in somebody else's as a gift [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► go to fracture me comm slash podcast and [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► then there's a little picker to say what [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► show you came from make sure you pick a [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► teepee on that list so that we get [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► credit and they know that you came from [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► here [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► and I highly recommend you check out [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► fracture great photo prints directly on [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► glass great prices and great gifts to [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► fracture me calm slash podcast thank you [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► very much to fracture for sponsoring our [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► show we also have some show news we do [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► we very much do this is super exciting [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► I'm very pumped about this tell us [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► what's going on Marco alright so we are [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► doing a live show at WWDC so on Monday [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► June 5th and everybody see week we are [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► doing a live show at all calm all conf [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► is this community run conference that [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► happens like across or down the street [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► from WTC has happened for what three or [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► four years now at least right but I'm [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► kind of a while mm-hm yeah and the way [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► out conf works is the conference is [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► totally you know community run and it's [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► you it's free for the most part you can [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► you can pay optionally if you want to to [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► get like priority in line but otherwise [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► it's free and there's you know great [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► diverse talks and its really a great [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► event for the community anyway we wanted [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► to do a live show this year and they had [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► this great thing where they invite they [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► invite the community to come you know [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► use their venue and bring talks and [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► content to all conf we decided to take [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► them up on that offer and we concert in [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► this past week and a rings are pretty [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► pretty quickly actually and so we are [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► doing a live show in alt conf and it's [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► going to be separately ticketed mostly [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► for the purposes of just capacity [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► management but the tickets are just 5 [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► bucks it's basically just like to make [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► sure that people actually are serious [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► when they book them so we know how many [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► people are coming so we know how big to [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► make the room and then we're working on [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► maybe we can donate that money to [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► something useful and then the show is [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► going to be Monday from 5 to 7 p.m. so [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► the idea here is to be after the WDC [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► State of the Union address which usually [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► runs until 4:00 or 4:30 but before [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► anybody's dinner plans or Tim [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► Dalrymple's beard bash or other things [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► that might be happening on Monday night [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► so 5 to 7 p.m. live show WTC Monday June [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► 5th at all conf go to is it all calm [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► calm it is all calm calm okay [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► and yeah so we we look forward to it [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► it's going to be you know it's it's not [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► going to be like any kind of a tragus [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► thing where we have like Tim Cook on or [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► anything I don't mean we could try but I [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► don't think we'll get him just just a [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► hunch but but I'm looking forward to [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► we're going to just you know we're going [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► to basically just do this in front of a [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► live audience of between 100 and a [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► thousand people depending on how many [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► people respond to I I do expect to [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► stream it live when you say that you [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► mean audio only by is your expectation [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► yes audio I don't think we have any kind [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► of video set up I do have the audio set [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► up to stream it live if Internet [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► connectivity holds out and that's a huge [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► if at conference so I don't want to [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► guarantee it because basically I will be [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► trying to get some kind of connection [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► out of a very very full room in a venue [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► I've never been in a city I've never [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► been in so it's hard to predict whether [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► or not I will be able to maintain an [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► audio livestream but I'll do my best [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► otherwise we look forward to it so yeah [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► if you want to come go book a ticket now [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► we will put the link in the show notes [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► and so yeah thanks to all con for [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► working with us on this because you know [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► what we wanted to really was just like [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► we we want to do a live show but we [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► didn't want to go through like the [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► massive ordeal and and hassle and risk [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► of booking a whole venue ourselves it's [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► a ton of work to do that and I highly [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► respect the podcasts that do that we [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► don't have that in us and we could [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► barely get t-shirts for sale so so we [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► found a great arrangement with all cough [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► that worked out well for all of us and [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► we hope to see you there yep it's it's [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► super exciting most of the three of us [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► are very excited about it so please if [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► you are interested at all in doing this [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► and you think you will be there please [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► go ahead and get yourself ticket buy [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► ticket and do it now just like the [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► t-shirts to be clear the live show that [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► we're doing like it's live show you can [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► come see us live we're going to try to [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► stream it and the main thing that will [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► probably prevent streaming is the fact [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► that if the stream craps out Marco can't [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► fix it because he's on stage so oh well [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► but we're also releasing it as a regular [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► episode this will be our regular WWDC [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► episode oh yeah like the point in most [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► years like we just record this [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► Margot's hotel room or whatever you know [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► we're releasing this episode so don't [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► feel like oh I'm not going to W ever CLM [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► this is when you won't miss it it will [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► be that week's episode [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► you just want get to see it or hear it [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► live that's it excellent point so news [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► this week we've spent a little while [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► since we've spoken to each other I've [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► missed you too deeply but one thing I [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► might be missing soon is touch ID in the [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► front of my phone because there have [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► been some very interesting hardware [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► specs and photographs that have linked a [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► dead of leaked that indicate the touch [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► ID sensor in the supposed I phone eight [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► maybe on the back of the phone under the [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► Apple logo and the internet is not happy [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► about this from what I can tell I don't [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► I don't really know what I make of it [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► yet I've never really used a phone with [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► the fingerprint sensor on the back [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► however pretty much anyone that I know [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► that has used an Android phone with any [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► regularity has said that it's fine in [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► fact some of them have even said they [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► prefer it even having had used both so [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► um I'm kind of whatever about this it's [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► not something I feel like I want but I [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► think I can roll with it just fine I you [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► know I feel the same way about this as I [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► did about the lock button moving from [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► the top to the right hand side of the [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► phone not really something I want I'm [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► sure I'll get over it and that's exactly [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► how it turned out not really something I [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► wanted I got over pretty quick so Marco [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► how do you feel about this I'm kind of [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► the same way I've never used a phone [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► with it on the back and I think I get [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► used to it it would be fine but I think [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► on the front would be better and I think [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► it's more interesting that we don't seem [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► to have a clear picture yet and that [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► maybe Apple doesn't seem to have a clear [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► picture yet that is merging because it's [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► getting pretty late in the year for [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► these kind of decisions to not be made [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► yet like at that point of clarification [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► that we needed on this because in the [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► beginning case you said the the touch ID [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► sensor is on the back under the Apple [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► logo and that actually can be [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► interpreted in multiple ways [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► oh the way that has been suggested so [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► what's alright what he was referring to [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► is that you look at the link we'll put [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► in the show notes so 95 Mac or whatever [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► the shows a picture of the suppose [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► barclayc so if you look at the back of [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► an iphone via there's an Apple logo on [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► the back but the Apple logo is towards [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► the top of the phone right when he says [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► under the Apple logo he means go down [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► about an inch from that and pretty much [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► dead center in the back of the phone [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► below the Apple logo like lower down on [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► the phone than the Apple logo there's a [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► circular opening and that's where touch [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► ID would be a lot of people suggest it [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► hey if you're going to put something on [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► the back of the phone why don't you make [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► the Apple logo also the touch ID sensor [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► obviously the the problems there that [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► it's not really shaped like a circle and [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► you know it might be hard to get a [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► sensor that kind of fills that area and [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► still looks nice and blah blah blah and [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► maybe it's positioned wrong maybe you [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► actually do want it more towards the [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► center instead of high up and so there's [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► all sorts of aesthetic and functional [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► decisions that may make them not want to [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► put the touch ID sensor literally in the [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► Apple logo but the part sleeks show [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► there's a cutout for the Apple logo and [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► then inch lower there's a circular [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► cutout for the touch ID sensor so what [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► do you thoughts on this job well in [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► these these parts leaks we're getting [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► into parts leaked season and I have a [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► hard time dismissing these as complete [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► fakes or ridiculous things because [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► they're starting to look starting to [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► look pretty real to me at the very least [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► a real thing that was made by somebody [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► for some purpose probably Apple some [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► people in the chat room are saying [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► there's no way Apple will do this [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► they'll never do this because it's not [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► an Apple thing to do I totally disagree [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► with that Apple would 100% do this [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► whether they are going to do it or not I [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► guess you know as every week advances [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► these things these rumors be the cement [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► or they will just go away we won't see [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► it anymore [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► but remember this is the phone we're [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► talking about that's supposed to get rid [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► of the chin and forehead more or less [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► and make the screen go from top to [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► bottom edge to edge much more so than it [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► does now leaving no room for even the [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► completely immobile touch ID button on [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► the iPhone 7 there won't even be room [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► for a non-moving but no to speech screen [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► everywhere and so you know the earlier [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► rumors were like Oh it'll be screen [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► everywhere and in fact the home button [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► and touch ID will also be in the screen [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► you can kind of see how they could put [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► the home button in the screen because we [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► already have a home button it doesn't [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► move right and there's a little [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► indentation for it which is better than [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► being no indentation [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► that's another sort of ergonomic issue [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► of like how do I find the home button if [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► there's no little indentation for my [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► thumb biggest guys feel for the middle [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► of the phone or maybe the whole bottom [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► of the phone is like a home button and I [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► just force press somewhere near the [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► bottom and it takes me home whatever but [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► the touch ID sensor the the the rumors [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► were supposed to like oh it turned out [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► to be harder than they thought to get a [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► touch ID sensor inside a screen because [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► the screen has lights that come out of [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► in the touch ID sensor you know it's [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► like sensor and screen are not the same [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► things how do they combine them in a way [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► that the touch ID sensor works and all [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► these recent part leaks are part of the [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► narrative they're like oh they couldn't [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► get that to work this year so instead [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► they're putting it on the back and you [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► know people have Android phones with [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► touch ID sensor on the back and they're [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► saying like it's fine it's whatever like [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► obviously if you put your phone down on [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► the table [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► now you can't unlock it unless you put [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► it facedown but then when you unlock it [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► it's no good as you can see the screen [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► anyway right you know so that's the one [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► disadvantage - people talk about with it [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► being on the back but otherwise like [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► urgh anomic lee speaking it's probably [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► better easier to hit the touch ID on the [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► back that it is touch ID that's at the [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► very very edge of your phone you know [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► what I mean like it's like if you had to [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► pick where is the best place to put a [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► fingerprint sensor on on a on a you know [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► a featureless rectangle you wouldn't say [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► let me put it on the very very bottom [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► edge because you kind of got to shimmy [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► your hand down you kind of pinching it [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► from the edge you could certainly get a [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► more secure grip if it's hot - these [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► sensors were somewhere in the middle [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► my main reservation about the thing [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► being in the middle is since I'm someone [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► who's had a case on all my iOS devices [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► putting something that you can't put a [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► case over on the back is somewhat of a [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► problem slash disappointment for me I'm [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► not one of those people that has ever [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► had a case that has like a circle cut [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► out so you can see the Apple logo I [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► found those cases absurd and just [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► comical and sad I don't need a cutout to [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► show the world my Apple logo and in fact [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► if again if you get an Apple case they [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► have their own Apple logo on the case as [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► a little indentation the people will [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► still know it's an iPhone it'll be fine [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► I swear but not just for those sort of [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► aesthetic in like image reasons I don't [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► like the cutout but [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► mainly I don't like the cut out because [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► the cut out that will inevitably have to [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► be there on any case for this fur for an [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► Apple iPhone with the touch ID sensor on [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► the back is that that basically becomes [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► a lint collecting belly button for your [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► phone like is another place for I'm [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► rhyming craft to get inside there you're [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► going to be sticking your grimy fingers [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► in there constantly to unlock your phone [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► and any grime it's on there just going [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► it wedged in this little scene it will [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► literally be a grimy linty belly button [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► for your phone that's not good it [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► doesn't look good it doesn't feel good [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► it makes this Honey sensor farther away [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► from you because now you got to dig your [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► finger into the little belly button to [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► find the touch ID sensor the thicker [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► case is the worse that's going to be [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► think of battery cases how the hell you [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► gonna get a battery case if it's going [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► to be a super duper any belly button we [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► got a poke your finger up there and be a [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► mess up if you don't use cases on your [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► phone whatever like it's then there's no [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► big deal right this is easier to all 9 [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► issues but I do use cases and I don't [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► want to stick my finger into a little [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► hole in the case and you know fiddle [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► around on a Linde belly button so that's [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► mostly making me either a hope this is [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► not true or be hope that by the time you [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► know because I episode I'm not going to [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► get this phone I'm going to wait another [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► year get the one after that hopefully by [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► the next phone they will have started [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► out whatever issues with touch ID in the [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► front and you know I don't want to worry [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► about this I think having it on the back [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► is worse enough than having it on the [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► front that if we were forced to to like [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► if there was no way to keep it on the [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► front while having the screen go edge to [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► edge like if there is no way to put it [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► under the screen I would rather just [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► still have the chin like you know make [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► the bezels smaller you don't need to [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► make the screen two to one you can keep [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► it being 16 by 9 and not do like the [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► Samsung like you know 18 by 9 or 2 to [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► one thing because no one really needs it [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► to be taller necessarily like I just [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► keep the keep the chin like I don't [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► think we need no one's really asking to [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► have that go away if the cost is going [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► to be losing touch ID to the back well [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► Johnny I like symmetry I mean I know [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► you've got a chin on the iMac and no far [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► head right but on the phone though I [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► feel like that silhouette is so iconic [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► you know the like even like apples [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► little outline graphics that they give [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► you for iPhone that you like you're not [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► allowed to use in your app or though [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► they won't let him in the App Store it's [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► basically [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► rounded rectangle with a little [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► rectangle exactly dead center in the [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► middle and that's basically you know [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► hieroglyphics for iPhone or for [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► smartphone at this point for Apple to [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► come out with an iPhone with [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► asymmetrical margins like a chin but [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► very little forehead because they try to [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► pull in the edges like you can pull on [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► the sides a little bit and shave a few [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► millimeters right-oh edge to edge screen [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► especially if they do like a rounded [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► cranny I just like so many the you know [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► past Android phones oh it's a lot like [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► it when you see them side by side in [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► people's review videos like the the [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► iPhone design the side bezels really [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► stick out compared to these newer like [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► you know bezel this ones like the s8 [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► like Deane yes but it's only a few [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► millimeters here it's not like you're [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► getting back like a full inch if you [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► took off the chin for it but that [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► matters like I'm saying like if you just [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► if you keep most of the chin you don't [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► even keep the whole chin and just keep [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► enough of it for a touch ID sensor to be [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► there's there's like two millimeters on [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► top and bottom of the touch ID says I go [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► look at your phone right now there's not [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► a lot of room above and below I'm [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► holding it right now you there is some [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► room about as much room as the side [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► bezels and also does it need to be that [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► big we don't know they can get a smaller [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► one I think it needs to be that big well [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► but regardless like I'm saying like you [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► know it this is all about trade-offs [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► right like that we this has been like a [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► theme of our show is like is Apple [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► making the right trade-offs in its [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► physical designs of things and and I [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► think the the trade-off here is like [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► touch ID on the back is not that great [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► and if if you keep it on the front [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► basically like it you know it solves a [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► lot of problems if you can't get it onto [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► the screen which I mean I don't know a [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► lot about screen technology but getting [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► it under the screen without having it be [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► like a visible different spot on the [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► screen when the screen showing an image [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► sounds impossible like that sounds [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► really really hard that's not impossible [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► I feel like it you know I feel like the [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► rumor wouldn't have been around so long [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► if it was literally impossible I think [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► and the tech is sort of kind there to [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► sort of kind of pull this off to some [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► degree but but like the ones they would [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► never be discussed but you think that [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► like that there's a way to put some what [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► to put some kind of like optical you [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► know readings or scanning sensor in a [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► screen that also is showing pixels such [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► that if you showed like a solid color [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► rectangle on the screen [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► mean that you wouldn't see the outline [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► of that touch ID is an optical is it I [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► don't know I don't know if I knew had [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► touch ID worked I could have a more [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► informed opinion about this but but I [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► don't but anyway like I would the rumors [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► been around so long and I haven't seen a [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► single story that say you dummy [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► that's impossible stop talking about [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► this which leads you to believe that it [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► is possible just a question of how much [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► worse is the sensor you know how how how [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► less clear an image or you know a sense [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► of your fingerprints does it get so I I [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► feel like it's it's it's possible if not [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► now then eventually but you know if not [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► this year then whatever but but getting [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► back to the idea of leaving the chin and [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► getting rid of the forehead like you [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► know you can pull in the margins all you [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► want bottom line is if the margin above [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► is not the width of the margin below [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► you've got an asymmetrical phone that's [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► weird to me now they did make the phat [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► nano so never say never write Apple [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► Apple has been known to make some pretty [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► awkward looking iOS that was an iOS size [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► awkward looking handheld the [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► battery-powered devices so who knows [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► what they'll do but I first I personally [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► think that would be an ugly iPhone it [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► would be the equivalent of the phat nano [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► even more so than the thing on the back [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► and so I'm I think it is more likely the [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► front oh be nice and symmetrical and the [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► touch ID sensor will be on the back they [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► really couldn't get it any other way or [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► like the final thing is it's got top and [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► bottom margins that are both equal that [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► both slightly smaller than they were [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► before they pull in the sides a little [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► bit and you know there's your phone [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► people would still like that it would be [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► a new form factor it's not like the [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► iPhone 7 form factor again it is a new [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► phone especially but as you know steel [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► you know that's steel shiny chrome edge [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► things sort of reminiscent of the first [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► iPhone and the stainless steel back and [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► you know all the other thing it would be [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► a new form factor people would accept it [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► as a new phone it just wouldn't be like [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► oh I thought this one was only gonna [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► have screen on the front but instead [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► it's still got a tuna for head but oh [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► well yeah I agree I I certainly would [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► not complain if touch ID was pretty much [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► exactly the way it was it's just the [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► only difference is that the bezels were [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► slightly smaller but we'll say I'm [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► pretty much nonplussed by this [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► regardless whatever ends up happening [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► happens and that's fine [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► now by the way I think this is a good [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► time to revisit while we're on the topic [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► of the buttons on our phones and [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► everything to take another pass at each [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► of us saying well how we feel about the [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► non-moving iPhone 7 home button after [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► using it for a year now or whatever it's [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► been mm-hmm because I had occasion to [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► use my wife's phone recently and she's [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► got a success and that button moves and [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► then I start off as like out of the [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► buttons it's weird you get used to it [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► it's not quite the same or whatever and [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► now I'm at the point where when I use a [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► is device with the button actually moves [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► it feels like junk and I can't handle it [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► and I am like a fully converted yep I'm [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► holy convert to the non-moving button [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► which does not feel like the old button [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► like it's not like oh it's now it has [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► fooled me it doesn't but all I'm saying [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► is the way it feels now is the way I [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► expect my phone to feel the little [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► wiggly shake even how it works when my [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► phone is sitting on a tabletop like all [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► those little haptic movements and [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► whatever my hands are just accepted that [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► that that's how your phone feels and [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► when I use phones that don't feel that [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► way and when a thing like presses in on [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► them it feels junky and crappy to me so [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► I am a total convert to this which makes [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► me gives me some hope that I will [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► eventually be a convert to and you know [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► an in screen completely smooth no border [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► thing I could be wrong it could be that [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► I need the little circle to feel with my [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► thumb right reminder where it is it [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► which is another question by the way [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► they put touch ID in the back is it a [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► little crater on the back or is it [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► totally featureless if it is a crater [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► that's kind of weird because you'd have [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► the Apple logo and it'll been a little [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► bit greater belly button blow it anyway [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► I I'm here to say that I feel like I [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► have unbeknownst to me completely [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► converted to not just tolerating the [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► non-moving home button but to saying I [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► like the non-moving home button better [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► than all the moving home buttons I've [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► ever used I could not possibly agree [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► with you more the only time I dislike [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► the non moving home button the static [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► home button is when I try to unlock my [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► phone when it's resting on a table [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► because whatever magic the haptic taptic [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► whatever feedback does in order to make [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► you feel like you've clicked a button [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► it's either completely muted to the [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► point of figuratively speaking silence [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► or just very very very soft and almost [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► muted [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► and that annoys me but in hand I have no [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► problem with it and I believe I'm on the [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► softest setting I'm going to have to [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► come back to it because I don't remember [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► offhand but I think I'm on the softest [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► uh feedback setting - yeah I mentioned [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► the table thing it may because I have a [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► case like it does feel different when [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► it's on the table but I have now come to [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► like that feeling also better than [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► pressing like the home button on my [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► wife's success that's also sitting on [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► the table [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► it is totally weird and is different [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► than when it's in your hand but I like [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► it better because it feel it's just what [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► I'm used to right and when I push it in [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► it moves in it feels like I'm breaking [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► the phone and opening up is weird gap [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► and like feels so clunky or whatever and [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► I I have been situation and maybe it is [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► the case that makes the difference that [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► like gives it that extra cushion or [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► margin for the haptics to do something [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► like where you press it in and like [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► imagine if you press it in the haptics [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► didn't go off at all right that would [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► feel broken on the 7 right and so [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► sometimes I feel like if you're if [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► you're on a very flat table a very hard [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► flat table with no case and you try to [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► do it maybe somehow the haptics have no [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► had nothing to move or vibrate and that [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► feels a little bit more broken that does [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► with the case so it could be the case is [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► helping me like my own button more but [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► either way I'm willing to you know I I [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► like it I like it better even in that [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► scenario [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► so do you are what setting are you on in [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► terms of that I'm just gonna go look [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► that up or is that it it's in general [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► home button everything in general that's [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► that's why it's aptly named it should [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► just be called settings you go to [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► settings and you go to settings no I'm [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► with you guys I totally agree I the very [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► first probably three or four days I [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► hated it I thought this is a huge step [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► backwards I said as much here and [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► somehow between now and then I've turned [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► into not only liking it but like John [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► liking it more than the old buttons and [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► the old buttons now feel weird to me [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► that has not happened with force touch [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► trackpad or the new keyboards on the Mac [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► books but that has definitely happened [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► with the force touch home button on the [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► phones and I also would go a little bit [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► further and say one of the great things [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► about the iPhone 7 is that new taptic [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► engine second generation that that has [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► enabled because it's like I much more [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► precise Tabak engine that can do a lot [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► more stuff [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► has like a whole sequencer for for the [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► things it does and so that that has [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► enabled all the little tiny haptic [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► feedback things throughout the interface [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► and and now that I am accustomed to that [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► in so many system standard apps that use [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► standard controls and Saturn haptics and [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► everything when I go back when I use [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► like an iPad that doesn't have the [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► taptic engine and nothing gives me those [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► little taps with everything it feels [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► like something's broken it feels like [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► what's wrong what is this some kind of [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► primitive piece of glass like it makes a [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► huge difference [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► so I also am a very big fan of haptics [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► and especially the you know the new [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► Tabak engine and I look forward to you [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► know seeing them added to more apps [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► including probably my own once I get [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► around to it [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► speaking of haptic feedback and things [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► that feel broken Marcos my brief [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► complain about overcast things I have [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► really long lists really long playlists [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► and when I try to drag something from [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► way way down at the bottom to way way up [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► at the top the maximum scroll speed has [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► a little haptics fire off is way too [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► slow and I just said there holding it [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► and going dump dump them and then of [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► course overcast refreshes the list and [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► it Yanks the thing that I was holding in [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► my hand out of my hand and drops it into [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► the list wherever it was and I regrab it [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► and go thump thump thump thump anyway [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► max speed should be higher all right [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► this the second thing is my fault the [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► first thing is the firt like this is [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► just the standard behavior of UI [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► tableview and I know but I believe in [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► you I believe you can you can change the [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► default behavior and make it make it go [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► faster given what you've done and if I [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► have to do anything else to you a [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► tableview [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► I'm just going to you a collection view [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► they like it which some people [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► speculated maybe collection views will [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► replace table yes I saw that that [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► article the table view is for suckers is [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► all collection view now well there's a [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► bunch of things that that table view [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► still do the collection views don't or [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► that you'd have to write yourself but I [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► think I've probably crossed the [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► threshold after which like I've done so [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► much work to hack table views that maybe [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► doing it in a collection view would have [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► been less work after all [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► so probably next time I redesign this [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► interface whatever happens I'm not [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► looking forward to that but if that ever [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► happens I will probably do collect [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► communicate over a higher max crawl [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► speed can ratchet up it could be like [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► slow in the beginning and you're holding [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► and then it goes faster in fact you know [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► like the same way the flick scrolling [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► kind of does [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► where you can you can get it up to speed [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► because really long list like there's [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► just no recourse is just and well there [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► there is a shortcut if you if you start [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► playing out of near the top and on the [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► items the other bottom that you're [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► trying to move all the way up play next [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► play next play next play next that'll [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► move them all immediately yeah I think [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► that was just an aside it's a funny you [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► bring up the the taptic haptic whatever [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► feedback because as an aside the other [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► day I had a few minutes to kill at work [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► and the app that I work on we have a [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► scenario where there's like a bunch of [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► cards across the bottom of the screen [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► and you can you can slide the cards left [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► and right and you know some will come [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► from off-screen onto screen and then go [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► back off screen again and this is like [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► the perfect moment to use that feedback [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► and that that tap tap tap is you're [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► scrolling through the cards and they're [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► coming on and off screen and I tried to [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► get get it to work just right and I [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► couldn't get the math right such that [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► when like the card was at the midway [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► point off screen it would fire at the [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► exact right moment it was very wonky was [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► probably my fault but I hope to at some [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► point go back to finish that up because [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► it it really does work phenomenally well [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► when you get it right but getting it [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► right is kind of tough so yeah I am full [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► support of third-party app developers [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► putting that everywhere they can in [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► their apps because it's super cool the [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► only bad thing about haptics right now [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► is that we really don't have a lot of [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► control over them like the the options [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► that we have are really coarse and from [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► what I understand the way it's [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► implemented is basically a sound [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► synthesizer you know treating treating [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► the tapping engine like a big [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► low-frequency speaker and so apps in [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► theory could have much more creativity [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► and options over the the feeling and [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► even possibly direction if that's a [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► thing you know like side by side [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► directions of the haptics though that's [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► not yet exposed in the API but maybe an [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► iOS 11 or the future maybe they will [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► because I would love to do like some [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► custom stuff there that just isn't [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► possible right now yeah completely agree [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► with you all right anything else on [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► these iPhone 8 rumors I think at this [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► point there's there's so many crazy [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► rumors we know so little it [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► hard to comment intelligently on much of [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► it well has that ever stopped us before [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► and by the way the nine-to-five Mac [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► article there were going a link that has [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► like the parts like thing the parts link [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► was like a drawing which is you know is [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► the best park lease like measurements on [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► them and stuff like it's good I actually [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► took a screenshot of that thing because [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► those are so easy to verify like they're [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► down to the you know thousandth of a [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► millimeter we can verify those when the [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► real fun comes out if it's exactly the [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► dimensions after the thousands the [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► milliliter that was probably jet leak if [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► they're not then that was just totally [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► made-up stuff but anyway the 95 Mac [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► article has a picture of like oh here's [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► a part looks just like that submit [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► schematic it's just a rendering of the [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► schematic like the schematic is this [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► supposed to leak not this thing that [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► looks like metal and the thing so don't [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► be fooled by thinking someone found a [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► metal thing and took a fuzzy picture of [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► it is just a rendering also real-time [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► follow-up the touch ID hardware as it [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► exists today is capacitive which I did [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► not realize I thought it was optical [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► yeah so I think it's just like a really [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► really high density capacitively I like [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► like higher higher precision than the [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► than the touch sensor on the whole [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► multi-touch screen I assume right yeah I [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► mean like a tall thing of like the [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► capacitive stuff the capacitive layering [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► this to two aspects one is the layering [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► thing where you can make screens out of [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► a series of layers and one layer is the [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► part that does the capacitive sensing a [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► layer is the part that has the you know [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► the the color elements and the light up [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► bits and you know especially if it's an [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► OLED screen isn't this the the new [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► iPhone supposed to be all OLED and [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► everything so yeah usually you reduce [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► number of layers because you don't have [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► a light emitting layer and a filter [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► layer you know pixels themselves emit [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► light but either way you have to have a [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► bunch of things that emit light and then [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► in between the light emitting things you [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► need the sensing things and the light [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► emitting things don't have to fill the [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► whole area because there's you know [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► light bloom and everything so the actual [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► light-emitting areas can actually be [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► very small and have mostly empty space [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► between it's just a question of trying [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► to like either weave that together or [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► layer it over each other such that you [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► know the the the capacitive thing is has [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► this fine mesh that's put over the light [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► of things but you don't notice the mesh [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► because it's super fine or you put it [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► below the light up things like again I'm [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► so I'm just making up random words for [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► tech you're by language seems to me that [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► it should be possible to make a layer [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► cake that works in some way the only [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► question is how much worse does it work [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► the existing touch ID which is which [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► still has like whatever this is a layer [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► of sapphire or glass over the capacitive [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► sensor right so it's still there's still [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► some distance just no light being [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► emitted from it and especially if they [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► just darken that area of the screen when [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► you hold your finger on it let's expect [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► in touch ID or whatever like there are [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► ways around a lot of the limitations [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► that make me think it is feasible if not [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► this year then surely in a few years we [TS]

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00:42:46 ◼   ► buy a router with a whole bunch of giant [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► antennas on it thinking you will finally [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► cover your entire house and you'll [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► finally have coverage in those two or [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► three back rooms where you never had [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► coverage before and in practice you get [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► that big router home and every time it [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► says it's going to have the best range [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► and it doesn't cover those rooms it [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► Wi-Fi has been broken for so long [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► because we rely on single routers Eero [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► has come out to change that Iiro is a [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► system where you plug in one of these [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► routers as your main one but then you [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► buy more than one you can buy a two pack [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► a three pack whatever amount you need [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► they cover about a thousand square feet [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► each so the typical American home you [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► might have two or three of them and the [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► app that comes with helps you set them [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► up in a really effective way and it just [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► blankets the entire house in fast [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► reliable Wi-Fi way better than a single [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► router ever could and again as I [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► mentioned the app is super easy to use [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► tons of great features and they're [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► updating it all the time and the [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► performance you get is way better than [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► you get out of a traditional like [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► repeater or range extender setup because [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► they actually create a backhaul mesh [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► network separately from the main network [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► to communicate with each other and to [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► form that that huge mesh of Wi-Fi [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► coverage in your home I highly suggest [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► you check out Eero and don't just take [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► my word for it do your own research read [TS]

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00:44:03 ◼   ► this is a solid product with an [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► incredible reputation that they built up [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► so far it's been covered in the press it [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► has amazing reviews on Amazon and stuff [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► so check it out and they've recently [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► lowered their prices so you can see for [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► yourself the prices are the same [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► everywhere now a three pack is now $100 [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► less a three pack is now just 399 a 2 [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► pack is 299 and you can get these same [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► prices everywhere there's no special [TS]

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00:44:30 ◼   ► just go to Best Buy or Amazon and buy [TS]

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00:44:33 ◼   ► going to do anyway so check it out today [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► go to eurocom that's a ero comm to learn [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► more highly recommended thank you very [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► much to ear over sponsoring our show so [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► there's been a lot of motion in this um [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► this thing called overcast I don't know [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► if any of you are familiar with but with [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► this but apparently the developer of [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► overcast has been very busy and getting [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► work done and has tweeted the overcast [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► account has tweeted found a fix for m4a [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► chapters will return in the next version [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► and P 3 chapters continue to work great [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► they'll be easier to create soon so [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► there's a fair bit to unpack here but [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► let's start with m4a what you do Marco [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► so last episode I described the problem [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► that I was facing where basically the [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► Apple low-level parser would only [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► recognize chapters in mp3 and m4a files [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► if they were named with dot mp3 and dot [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► m4a extensions and went overcast down as [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► a file it doesn't know the the type yet [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► until tariffs downloading it in which [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► point I already haven't saving it to a [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► file and rather not move it for [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► streaming reasons in any way and so the [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► hack I was doing before was that upon [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► playback I would temporarily create two [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► SIM links to the unex tensioned file one [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► of them without mp3 one of them without [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► I'm for a have Apple read those for the [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► metadata parser and then take my data [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► from there I had mentioned that that was [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► no longer working with stability on AP [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► FS and int n3 sometimes I would get [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► crashes around those sibling creations [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► or deletions and so to avoid these [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► crashes I switched to my own metadata [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► parser which only supported mp3 and said [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► I'll figure out some other solution for [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► m48 later I have to fix these crashes [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► now and the solution I came to was just [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► named all the files m4a and and because [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► I have my own parser now for mp3 [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► chapters so and my parser is as smart as [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► I want it to be and I decided to build [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► in the smart [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► say who cares what the file is named [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► just parse and look at these first bytes [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► and you can tell what format it is [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► anyway so so my parser is now [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► responsible for mp3 streaming and I use [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► apples again for M for A's on the files [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► all of which are now named M for a [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► that's both extremely clever in [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► completely bananas all at the same time [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► the perfect incarnation of file name [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► extensions highlighting the fact that [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► the name of the file has no bearing [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► whatsoever on the format of the data it [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► contains and it's an absurd system and [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► Marco is like it's like a satire of [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► filename extensions that you know I'm [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► just naming every file allotted for Ike [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► is that crap his meal is accepted this [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► stupid API that's too stupid to know [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► what the hell kind of flat file it's [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► being fed and doesn't let me specify [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► just figure it out by parsing the file [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► name especially like almost all formats [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► almost all modern file formats even [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► stuff as old as mp3 you can usually tell [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► what format it is by looking at maybe [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► the first 12 bytes of the file at most [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► you know sometimes you could tell it [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► even less so the file command does write [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► like it's really easy to detect it like [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► an m4 a always looks the same and it's [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► super easy to see it the and mp3s can [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► look two different ways upfront but [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► they're both pretty easy to parse and [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► detect like I wrote code to do it and [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► I'm not a you know super crazy file [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► engineer like I just looked up the specs [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► for these formats oh oh well this format [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► has these bytes up front this one is [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► these done like it isn't hard and you [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► know JPEG and paying those can also [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► those are like you know eight bytes the [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► beginning to it's super easy sometimes [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► they begin with the letters jpg or gif [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► like literal ASCII text jfif but anyway [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah Japheth yeah joint [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► something international photo [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► it's interchange format it doesn't [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► really matter alright so it also in this [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► tweet you you had said mp3 chapters will [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► be easier to create soon tell me more [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► ask again later mmm look you all know [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► I'm making forecasts the only question [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► is when it comes out so once it coming [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► out I don't know probably soon oh yeah [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► I'm trying I'm putting out some overcast [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► fires first but [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► yeah probably soon it's been a long time [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► coming I think it's been more than a [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► year since this since more than a year [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► since you were willing to talk about [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► this program on the podcast in public [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► and who knows how long before that is [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► this has been a heck of a gestation for [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► this program this program that people [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► have already been using to to do it for [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► its intended purpose for a long time I [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► you just haven't gotten around to the [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► point where you polish it up for release [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► right there are a few little things I [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► want to work out but they're like minor [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► UI issues for the most part it should be [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► you know coming soon and for those who [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► don't know forecast is a thing that's [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► been charitably in private alpha that [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► marco wrote in order to break a podcast [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► into chapters and do so easily and [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► quickly and people in the chat are [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► asking about pricing the the honest [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► answer is that I still haven't quite [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► decided for sure but I'm leaning towards [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► just making it free but not open source [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► and and there's lots of reasons for this [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► maybe maybe I'll talk about it once I [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► release it if I go this way but the gist [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► of it is basically I don't think the [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► market is going to be big enough to make [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► it worth charging money for because when [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► you charge money for things you have to [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► support it in a very different way and [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► and there's there there's overhead to [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► that and I just don't think it would be [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► worth it because I think the market for [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► is going to be pretty small so I I don't [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► think it's worth charging and at the [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► same time open-source is tricky when [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► you're talking about entire apps like [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► libraries and components sure that's [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► easy when you're talking about entire [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► apps though you have a lot of problems [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► with like people ripping it off and [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► uploading it to the App Store under [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► their own name and like it's it's a big [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► problem for open when you open sort and [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► tire app doing stuff like that [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► so I don't really want to deal with that [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► and I think the value of open source is [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► much higher at the library level than at [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► the entire app level that's fair all [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► right so you've also been busy with your [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► Apple watch and we kind of made mention [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► of this earlier but it turns out your [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► Apple watch does have a purpose after [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► all yes for testing my Apple watch no [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► it's divided it's yeah I did a big watch [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► update we we'd kind of alluded to this [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► ago and the truth is I've been working [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► on offline watch playback for months now [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► it has taken a very long time and [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► there's lots of reasons for that and it [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► wasn't the only thing I was doing that [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► during that time you know I did all of [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► 3.0 it was originally slated to be a [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► headlining feature of 3.0 there are lots [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► of reasons why that didn't happen the [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► main reason is that the state that I had [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► it in at the time 3.0 was going to ship [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► it just had too many weird limitations [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► and bugs and I decided it was not a good [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► idea to have to make a big deal out of [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► this feature to have it be a headlining [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► feature of this major update of my app [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► and to have it not work very well that [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► that didn't seem wise to me so instead I [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► push it off to later figuring you know [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► maybe something will change in watch OS [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► in the next versions and I can you know [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► do it do it then and there were there [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► were some other factors involved that [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► that influenced this as well but suffice [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► to say it took a very long time to do [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► because the way I did it in order to get [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► podcast playback on the Apple watch [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► there's a bunch of major hoops you have [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► to jump through one of them is just the [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► data transfer like the the watch has [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► very limited resources in all kinds that [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► includes bandwidth that includes storage [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► and processing power and and the API for [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► it is very limited so there's certain [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► things that you can't reliably do one of [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► the things is that you can't reliably [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► just feed at any arbitrary podcast file [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► off the internet and expect it to work [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► so there are limitations in its API [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► certain things that it doesn't play or [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► doesn't play very well or certain [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► formats and bit rates to use way too [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► much power and it actually becomes like [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► a noticeable load on the watch that you [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► want to avoid there's also issues like [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► if you're transferring it from the phone [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► then you have a serious problem of [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► bandwidth and a transfer speeds you know [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► just it take it could take out an hour [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► to transfer a podcast file to the watch [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► and oh seriously if you don't compress [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► it yeah it could take a long time and [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► because that you know a lot of times [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► it's transferring over bluetooth [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► sometimes it'll use Wi-Fi if it can but [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► it's [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► Vegas to when and whether it will do [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► that so you can't really count on that [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► so basically it's a huge challenge to [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► get the files to the watch and then once [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► they're on the watch they were there are [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► massive challenges around there's only a [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► few different ways to play audio on the [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► watch watch OS 3.2 added a couple of big [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► things before that which is most of my [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► development the API is that were there [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► there were like three different ways to [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► play audio files and all of them had [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► like fatal massive problems for playing [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► podcasts one of them you couldn't set [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► the start time of the file so if you [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► started it and then then you close it [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► and you want to start it again you'd [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► have to start from the beginning or [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► somehow have the watch like splice to [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► file one of my prototypes I actually had [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► the watch splicing AAC files every 15 [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► seconds so that you would so that it [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► would be able to like look and play this [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► huge post it was I tried a lot of things [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► and it it was it was a large period of [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► trial and error let's let's say that one [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► of the api's that you probably seen [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► before it you could present a sheet that [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► that has the file but it only has the [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► seek back and forward by five seconds at [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► a time and there's no way to change that [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► UI so that is pretty bad also that it [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► does allow a start a start time which is [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► fine but if you sort of work out our [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► background it then it stops playing [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► suspect and then there was a different [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► one the the WK audio file player api [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► because what which is what the current [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► store version as we speak [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► uses and that has tons of problems and [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► shortcomings and it's bizarre things and [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► by the way i have i have filed bugs i [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► have i have been in contact with apple [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► about all these different shortcomings [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► so i've done my duty there but you know [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► i think there i don't think they have a [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► lot of resources to devote to audio [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► playback on the watch honestly it seems [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► like this is a pretty pretty you know [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► rarely used thing and their resources [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► are probably elsewhere like iOS 11 you [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► know so anyway the the one of the issues [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► with the with the WK audio file API is [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► like [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► things like if your app is in the [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► background and you you initiate a player [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► that player will just never play if if [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► you go to note it has some integration [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► with the now playing glance so if you go [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► to the now playing glance and hit next [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► track whatever was playing will never [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► play again but there's no but it's held [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► in the API so you go back to the app and [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► the API says I'm still playing yes I'm [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► playing it 1x but then you just notice [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► if you pull the time you know actually [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► you say you're playing and you say [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► you're playing on 1x but the time stamp [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► is not going up so in the version of the [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► store right now I have things like [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► timers that pull every so often and [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► check to see is the timestamp going up [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► as it should if not tear down and [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► recreate the entire player there are so [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► many limitations and weird bugs with the [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► current one what happened in 3.2 well [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► first of all 3.2 made it possible at all [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► to use this API because they added a set [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► timestamp method on that so that you [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► could start a file from the middle and [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► then they also very quietly with no [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► comment except from the release notes [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► they just they added the ability to use [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► a V audio player like oh yeah it's like [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► well then why bother with all this crap [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► yes let me use that net and I should [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► point to as far as I know I don't think [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► I can actually move my entire core audio [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► stack onto the watch yet some of core [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► audio is there I don't know if enough of [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► it is there or if I may be missing [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► things like audio tool blocks and some [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► of the little accessory things so I'm [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► not I don't think I can actually move [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► the entire thing over yet but av audio [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► players is good enough to do everything [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► except smart speed and voice boost and [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► it has everything else it has a pretty [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► good speed engine it had you know it has [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► all it is an in process API the only [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► reason I wasn't using it before in the [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► version it's in the store right now is [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► that there it wasn't back rounding for [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► me reliably enough at least like it [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► would background sometimes when other [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► times I realized yesterday you had to [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► set different background audio flags [TS]