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top of the morning to you oh yeah I was
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not at all prepared for that the best
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part about that is that that's the very
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first time you've ever greeted anybody
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on a skype call I think that's accurate
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I really honestly I'm not sure that was
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a greeting I guess like to go you're
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right it is a greeting of a kind but not
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meant that way so your beard are you is
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your beard gone or what no this is my
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fear I was like he's gonna get back and
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he's still gonna have it you just don't
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let it happen to you and it's a ficus
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yes gonna determine whether oh no this
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is a problem it's a big problem i have
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started this morning in ireland the
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conclusion of a wonderful trip to the OL
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conference so I woke up this morning in
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Dublin is now in the time zone that I
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was supposed to be used to two in the
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morning and and so we'll see how this
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goes I never really shifted a hundred
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percent to the new time zone so what has
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really happened is now just time has
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lost all meaning and I'm just always
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tired but yet can't sleep so this should
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be interesting delightful day I am
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overjoyed that you are this tired with
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respect because this means i have a
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prayer of going to bed somewhere near my
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normal bedtime because i figured about
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an hour you're gonna be like a go and
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then and then at this point it'll be
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great now his piece he's punch-drunk now
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he's gonna be all loopy he's gonna walk
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even longer wait we're having a holiday
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party I got to go I'll be right back
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he's high on life I'm gonna go through
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the same thing the Marcos going through
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only realize I'm not going to come back
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and do a podcast gonna come back and go
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like to work yeah that's not fun I mean
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technically this is work for all of us
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me included except some of us have other
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work alright let's let's start the show
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as usual with some follow-up copyright
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2011 John siracusa a PFS iOS app updates
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have hit the App Store tell us about
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this John everyone's telling us about
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them they're say
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hey guess what I downloaded the the
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updated version of my few of my favorite
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app and the top thing in the release
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notes was fixed ApS filename issues we
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have many many reports of many people
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sending as many applications that
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surprisingly feature a PFS in their
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release notes so the update is happening
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even though the update was seamless for
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users for developers not exactly
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actually I think I might have hit one of
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these problems so in the recent version
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of overcast that's in the store as of
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late last week I had to remove support
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for m4a chapters and I forget whether I
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talked about on the show and I was done
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talking about here now you just tweeted
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about it that's right anyway so so for
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AAC /em for a slash Moff john chapters i
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had to remove support for them
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temporarily at least until i can write
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my own parser because the apple parser
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kept crashing on some of the fun a lot
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of the files that were that we're doing
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and iOS you know there's no way as far
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as I know there's no way for me to parse
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metadata like in a separate process or
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anything so that if it crashes my whole
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app doesn't come down and I think it's
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the crashes seemed to start around the
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time to 10.3 beta started so it would
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not surprise me if this was file system
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related and the reason I had to do all
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this it was kind of a crazy hack I'll
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try to tell quickly basically when
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overcast downloads its files it
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downloads them with no extension it just
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saves it as like you know a big ID
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number with no file extension you know
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mp3 or anything the metadata parser from
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Apple and the API can only operate on a
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file name or URL cannot operate a just
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account on a data blob so it knows about
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the file name and if that file name does
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not end in dot AAC or thought I m4a it
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doesn't work right but only for those
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files and if it's an mp3 needs to end in
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that to work right and so they the
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solution i came up with was when oh and
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also I don't always have the whole file
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sometimes I'm streaming the file and so
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I have to just write out like the bid I
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have to a temp file and then read the
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metadata from it and then read and
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delete the temp file and
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then to get around the extension issue
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when i'm reading the metadata from an
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m4a file i create a symlink to it with a
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dot m4a extension read the file name
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read the data off of that and then
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delete the symlink and it was at those
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parts that i was getting a lot of
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crashes all of a sudden in 10 3 so
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something's up with the way my app and
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or the metadata parsing library we in
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iOS deals with me creating these
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symlinks or writing these little tiny
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temp files to don't actually include the
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whole file and it was causing the whole
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thing to crash sometimes so I
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temporarily remove that support and left
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in only my own ID 3.mp3 parser which
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supports mp3 chapters which is what this
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show uses because that I could do all in
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memory with my own safe routines but at
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some point I have to figure out how to
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re-implement support for AAC chapters
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and for the lack of them I apologize to
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the entire nation of Germany and I I'm
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hopefully hoping to get that done
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quickly but right now that's there's a
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big problem with that and I think it
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actually might be related to some bug's
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somewhere whether it's minor apples I'm
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not sure regarding the file system
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because it did not happen before 10 3
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why don't you try switching from some
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links to our links and see if that just
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magically fixes it well I was thinking
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that that's I'm not sure I want to even
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still be dealing with links i think the
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the better long-term wealth the longest
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term fix is to write my own parser but
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the the problem is when i get in too far
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into this again the the AAC chapters
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format is completely undocumented and
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proprietary to Apple there you can I've
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tried to figure it out on numerous times
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in numerous occasions in the past and
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I've gotten most of it but it's really
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really tricky and really undocumented
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and it like the end of the bits of data
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that you need are all over the file they
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aren't even all up front like there's
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interspersed throughout the entire file
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because there it's it's structured in
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such a way that like as it's playing a
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track like if it's playing a stream of a
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track like if if say the chapter changes
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and the chapter includes a URL at an
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image then the URL and image are like
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into the stream at that point in the
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audio data so it might not like what so
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you can't so exactly this is why this
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format sucks so you can't even and out
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that same like splicing format also
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applies to the titles of the chapters so
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you cannot build a table of contents
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reliably from an AAC chapter file unless
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you have the whole file because you have
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to skip through the whole thing to get
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all the titles out that's bananas yes I
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know it's a huge pain in the mp3 chapter
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4 chapter format it's based on id3 tags
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which are very very crude but very very
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simple to deal with and they have a lot
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of limitations it's very similar to like
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our SS vs atom feed formats like back in
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the day like RSS is really simple and
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hence the name but you know it had it
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had some limitations and Adam was
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designed to like be everything to
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everybody and as a result it's overly
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complicated and a huge pain in the butt
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and that's that's kind of mp3 versus the
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mob format which is what AC and I'm for
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a that's that's all just renaming
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reading versions of the mouth format
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basically asterisk but basically once
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again humans he's trying to say move he
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means a file that ends in da mov just
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just so you're not like wasn't even
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saying because I know that's happening
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that's a color isn't that my mom has the
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ross ram yeah wow yeah so anyway that's
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a that is my possible a PFS bug and
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overcast and also why anybody listening
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why your chapters in mob format podcast
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might have stopped working in the recent
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update yeah that doesn't sound like an a
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PFS thing but who knows it is a new file
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system and if it is related to like it's
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not it's not the kind that people are
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talking about in the release notes cuz
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they're all talking about encoding
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filename encoding issues but I'm
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assuming when you make these temp files
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you're making able to ASCII file name so
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it's totally not an issue here yeah it's
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like like the file name is like is the
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ID number of the of the file dot m4a now
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and so the other possible quick solution
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if I want to do just a quick solution
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just save all the files as dot m4a even
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when they're not and like and just you
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know have a migration that runs on the
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first launch of the new version that
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just renamed them all and just doesn't
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do any kind of hard linking or simply
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can just permanently leave them as those
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names but then that will break the mp3
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file decode or sometimes under certain
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conditions so it's like it and and the
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m4a / AC / mob / move
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are all like that format is last time I
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checked it was like less than five
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percent of all items in the iTunes
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directory I'm so so it's like I think I
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think you mean the Apple podcast
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directory oh god you're right it's been
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like two hours all right so yeah in the
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in the Apple podcast directory the vast
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majority well over ninety percent the
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format is mp3 so to do a whole bunch of
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work to accommodate AAC files in a
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special way especially chapter eyes ones
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it's a we're talking a very small number
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of podcast I'm guessing off the top of
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my head the total number of podcasts
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that are both chapter eyes and m4a
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format and that ever listened to by
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anybody and overcast is probably less
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than a hundred maybe even less than 10
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and so it's like it's it's a question of
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whether I actually should do anything
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about this or not president like ninety
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percent of the podcast in Germany seen
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and the Germans do use chapters heavily
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and a few of them do use AAC chapters
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but a lot of the news mp3 chapters or
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other formats that I don't even support
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like the pod love simple chapters format
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which there's a wonderful idea but
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there's just I don't have a lot of
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market push to support it really yet the
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idea behind that by the way pile have
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simple chapters which is the idea
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basically is to put the chapter
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information in the feed rather than the
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individual files and that's a great idea
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but there's just there's almost no
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support for it on on either side on the
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producer side on the CMS side or on the
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you know podcast app player side so
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that's I don't know what I'm going to do
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about that if anything but uh chapters I
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don't know I waded into this chapter
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all the way down it is I do love the
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Germans though they are great bringing
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it back around talking more more
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directly about a PFS Kyle South grey
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otherwise known as Kyle's the gray had
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tweeted at us a very interesting pair of
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screenshots so he writes here's my iOS
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disks before and after upgrading to 10
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dot 3 so it shows in the before that he
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a capacity or it's eight of his discs or
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eighty-six percent full ninety
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eighty six to forty percent from and
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then from twenty to eight percent full
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which means somewhere out of nowhere he
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now has more free space thanks to a PFS
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you're looking at the wrong column in
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these screenshots that's a mime I bet
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yes it's a lot of numbers will put the
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link and the chances tweet and you can
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look at the screenshot so the
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percentages are different right but okay
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this is this the output of like DF or
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whatever and the key thing to look at
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like so there are some partitions that
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are not interesting to us like dev for
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which is like a baseband data for
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wireless or whatever but there are you
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can see the the OS and user partitions
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mounted at / is 4.3 gigs and that's like
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the OS partition I'm assuming and the
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size of like the big one where all your
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stuff is is 59 gigs so 59 plus four
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point three gigs it's like this is a 64
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gig phone right and then you know
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ancillary stuff left over for their
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little partitions right after upgrade
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the size of both the iOS and the your
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stuff partition both of them say 64 gigs
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so the OS president it's 64 gigs and the
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the user partition it's 64 gigs is
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exactly what we were talking about it
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and this didn't occur to me before when
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I was talking about the sizing because I
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couldn't quite figure out how the
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numbers added up but this makes perfect
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sense if you have a 64 gig phone it does
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what we were saying an example a show
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with like if you had a one gig disk and
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you put 21 gig partitions they have a 64
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gig disk essentially in this phone and
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they put to 64 gig partitions on it one
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of them for the OS and one of them for
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all the rest of your stuff which is a
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reasonable simple occasion because now
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they don't have to like think about oh
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geez how big should the OS partition be
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like how big is our OS how much how much
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you know should be yeah you know uses in
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the pre iOS 10.3 state if the size of
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the OS partition was 4.3 gigs but only
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3.6 was used so they give themselves a
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little wiggle room like if the next I
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West update is little bigger and they
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are they could resize the partitions but
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with a PFS they don't have to worry
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about exactly how to size / dishes both
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of them are 64 gigs both of them have
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quote-unquote
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whole phone and that messes up the
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capacity and how much is available
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measurements depending on how you are
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going to are you going to report this
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information so that could explain these
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discrepancies that we were seeing before
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in particular if you have 55 gigs used
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and you think the thing is 60 64 gigs
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then you think you have more left than
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if it was a different size or occurred
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just BDF totally confused by a PFS
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either way free space and a PFS is weird
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indeed moving on and video job postings
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suggest an nvidia chip return to apple
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macs john i presume this is most
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interesting to you also tell us about
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this week talk last show about nvidia
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releasing the mac drivers for their new
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card for the whole line of top-end cards
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essentially which is a weird thing to do
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because apples even sell a computer that
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you can stick an nvidia card in just
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older ones that people might still have
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hanging around and I that something was
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tickling I might about this and a lot of
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people sent in this link from September
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2016 a job posting Nvidia did a job post
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and they were looking for someone to be
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a software engineer at Nvidia and the
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role would require this is that quote
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from their job listing working in
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partnership with apple and writing code
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that will define and shape the future of
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graphics related software on max so they
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were looking for this in September and
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now they've delivered a thing so who
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knows when the Mac Pro decision was made
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who knows when this decision was made
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but really Nvidia made a decision that
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previously we weren't too much mac stuff
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but guess what now we're gonna and again
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it seems really weird that Nvidia would
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make that decision on its own because
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they have no market to sell into except
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for people who really old Macs so it
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especially saying working in partnership
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with Apple certainly seems like Apple
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was talking to Nvidia sometime it on or
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before September 23rd 2016 saying you
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know come back we we miss you let's
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let's let's get some make up whatever
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our problem was we want to get some of
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that sweet Pascal hardware and Max
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someday and this could have been well
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before they even decided he making a mac
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pro so who knows maybe the imac pro of
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invidious stuff and i don't know
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I'm getting my hopes up a little bit but
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anyway the mystery deepens but this
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wasn't an overnight thing and I think
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it's gotta have it's got to have some
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form of apples input because I don't
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just seem curious an invidi would do
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this on its own all right friend of the
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show Kieran Healy rights in regarding
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Marco at 43 minutes and 15 seconds of
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the last episode we'll put an overcast
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link in the show notes quote obviously
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something has changed with apples
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thinking on release schedule since 2012
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around then everything slowed down this
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is paraphrased around then everything
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slowed down but now something has
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changed to make apple flip around so
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Kieran pontificates I wonder if it was
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project Titan which is ostensibly the
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car project perhaps that swallowed up a
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lot of resources last I heard maybe nine
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months ago it sounded like that was
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getting at least substantially scaled
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back it was surprising not to hear on
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the show but also elsewhere the news
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coverage i read any discussion of the
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possibility that the apple car project
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was the black hole that absorbed
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hardware design talent and effort for
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two to three years with no results as
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yet and that had significant opportunity
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cost for every piece of hardware the
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company makes apart from the iphone
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thoughts on that any kind of massive
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project like this like apple trying to
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make a car and then a self-driving car
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that's going to draw talent from the
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company no question however i think a
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large part of the talent that was or is
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working on that was probably from
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external sources it's probably like you
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know from external hires from
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acquisitions places like that i don't
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think the team that was working on the
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mac pro or would have updated the mac
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mini otherwise or was trying to ship new
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laptops two years earlier you know i
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don't think those people went to go work
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on the on the car project and that's why
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those things didn't happen you know it's
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probably more complicated than that also
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i bet project Titan has not actually got
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a layer or anything or necessarily been
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scaled back I think it was just
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rethought based on what we've actually
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heard and what actually makes more sense
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but anyway I'm guessing that these are
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at least partially separate that that
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the the the product slow down that we
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have seen was not probably a direct
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result of
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project Titan suck in town out of the
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company I think it's way more likely
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that it was a combination of operational
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screw-ups somewhere along the way and
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also a just and also decisions up top
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that were basically along the lines of
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we don't think these are worth doing or
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product Titan being scaled back like
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regardless of the current size of it
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because of the change in direction that
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was rumored I think a lot of people get
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laid off like we don't need people who
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know how to build a car if we're not
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building a car anymore but all of a
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sudden we do need people who know how to
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write software that other people in the
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audio industry are going to consume or
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whatever but yeah the main reason I
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present show notes ask question and you
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know it people have this question a lot
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I think we've talked about a few times
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in the past but you're always looking
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for something to blame for the the
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product that you want to be updated or
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work done or become prominent not
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getting the attention it deserves and
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it's easy to blame it on the mysterious
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you know potentially very large secret
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operation going on to make a car but I'm
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on the same page with Marco I think
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projects like this do take talent away
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and take attention away attention to the
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executives and the attention the
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employees but in general if any project
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was going to be it was going to contain
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a large proportion of new employees who
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are new to apple or who would not be
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working on the Mac at all it's a car
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project because yeah there's going to be
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smart people who you're like we want
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something people visit your smart people
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and they're just good software people so
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we'll definitely take them right but
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it's not I think it's not the same thing
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as for example when iOS stole a lot of
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resources from the Mac because they're
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the same core OS under the covers right
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and making a GUI operating system even
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though one is touching one is Mouse
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they're so closely related they share
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code they share concepts of every
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where's the car is far enough away that
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I feel like the worst thing you can
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probably blame it for is distracting
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executives perhaps but I think it is a
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separate a separate issue then why are
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max taken a long time to update all of a
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sudden you know why why are these other
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products being emphasized to emphasize
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if you want to blame anything you blame
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like the watch or something
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another project that is closer to the
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Mac than the car is to say you know
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because there was you know the watch was
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behind schedule a little bit according
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to the rumors of what Apple wanted to be
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released and this little fire drill
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about software and all sorts of the
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stuff so I don't blame the car or the
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whatever it is now at all we respond to
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this week by mail route my favorite
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security and delivery people who do only
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that and that's mail route the big
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companies have bowed out of the email
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protection business because it's hard
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work there was postini McAfee MX logic
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Greg Pearce had noticed something
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interesting about the clips app which I
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episode before we dope in 23 hours of
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mac pro talk he noted that clips did not
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ask permission to use his camera or
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microphone and he said bad form Apple
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which I agree with k rights in replied
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to Greg it's a deliberate choice made by
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apple they granted clip special
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entitlements to access camera mic
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contacts etc without asking and there's
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microphone etc which is an interesting
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special case that we aren't allowed to
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do that that blesses clips and gives
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clips access to your mic and camera and
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context what not without the user
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actively having done so which I mean
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obviously it's apples right to do that
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they would just play by the same rules
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with everyone else so this is not a new
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thing with clips tons of apple apps do
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this but it's just a it's worth on again
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doing his people didn't know you know
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they do like a minute thing they put
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out loud like hex code is in slight
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violation of a couple of Mac App Store
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rules that employ their applications but
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for this specific case of it for iOS
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apps like this in particular I think
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like it's it's an interesting object
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lesson for for the policies they have in
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making Clips thought that not having to
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ask for permission to access the camera
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in the microphone and you know your
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contacts and and your photos and stuff
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like that is a better user experience
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for the app like forget about whether
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they have the ability to get rid of to
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put these secret entitlements in
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are not like it's a design question is
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this app better when it asked for
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regression or is this a better when it
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doesn't ask for mission and it seems
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like this is an interface decision this
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is a nicer experience for users if we
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don't ask for permission right but
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because only Apple gets to make that
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you don't get to do but because we get
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to do those secret things our
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applications have a nicer user
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experience than yours can ever have
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dialogues in someone's face and say can
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bypass that but you because you are
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untrustworthy must have a worst user
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majority of applications downloaded from
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the App Store not made by apple and so
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it's like every application except for
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apples has to have a worse user
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experience I don't know what the
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solution is because you do want
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applications asking for information you
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don't want applications to be able to
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secretly use your camera and get it your
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photos right but it's an interesting
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dilemma because it's like Apple Apple is
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choosing not to eat its own dog food or
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follow its own rules not because they're
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flouting their power because because I
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think they really believe this makes a
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better application and so yeah I think
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this is evidence of a perhaps a
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rethinking even if it's just a very
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minor rethinking of how permission is
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asked for and granted because perhaps
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the most obtrusive way to do anything on
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of everything and i'm not sure what the
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slid down or had a different appearance
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would it be better if there was some
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other way that these permissions
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manifested maybe when you download the
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app you could give it something or users
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could I don't even know I don't know the
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solution is I just thought it was it
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highlighted this this user interface
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issue more so than the petiole thing
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because again tons of Apple apps do this
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finally a t-shirt update so if you are
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listening to this episode either live or
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recorded it doesn't matter you are
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probably listening to it sometime before
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April 26th if you are listening to this
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episode right now and you want a t-shirt
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and you have not ordered it please order
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it now I cannot tell you the amount of
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times we've heard people say either oh I
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had no idea the t-shirts were for sale
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oh I meant to get one but then I just
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plumb forgot don't be that person or
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dirty shirt yes this is incredibly
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self-serving yes I acknowledge that but
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I am so sick of people saying oh I did
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not have any idea or oh I forgot don't
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forget please if it's April 26 to 2017
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before April 26 to 2017 you're listening
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to this show please if you are
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interested buy a t-shirt now John can
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you give us a little bit of details on
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what's going on with those because
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there's been a couple of changes since
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we last spoke yeah but first I have to
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remind myself to listen to your advice
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because for the past like week I've been
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like you know what I need auditors to
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sing here actually I too have not
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ordered my shirts don't be like us okay
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don't be like that we know when we stop
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selling these shirts even we can't order
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them again yeah that's really true yeah
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we'll be out of luck so here's what
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happened since the last time i talked
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about how we might be changing things to
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instead of taking all of your orders for
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20-something days and then you know
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after the sale ends sending this huge
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giant ship and assurance out to
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everybody instead we might switch to
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sort of a continuous fulfillment type of
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thing and that is what we've done it's
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like in every three days type of thing
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and that manifests on the tee spring
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site it's saying this sale ends in two
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days this sale ends in one days and many
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people keep sending his tweets panic
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don't know it says it ends in one day or
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in two days but you said it was going to
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end on the twenty-sixth very often these
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people have already ordered their shirt
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that is trying to look out for other
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people to say like or look out for us
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and say you might not know it but you
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have your stuff misconfigured well what
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happens is when it ends it just
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immediately relaunches for another three
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day window and this is going to repeat
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into the 26 fish so don't fret if it
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says you have two day remaining or one
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day remain look at the calendar if it is
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the 26th or before you can still order
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if it's after the 26th take seriously
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any things you see on this hi this is
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just the way it works on the side I wish
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we could have said continuous
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fulfillment but with it with a
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definitive end date but we can't because
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this is not how the site works so never
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fear it's a rolling cycle that repeats
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every three days ish and the other thing
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I wanted to mention because T spring
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itself mentioned it to us one of the
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shirts that we sell in our bazillion
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different color varieties here which by
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the way we didn't point this out but
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when we serve to this accidentally which
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is appropriate usually we have some kind
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of silly in joke apple-related in joke
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for our shirts for the past couple of
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years this year the silly unintentional
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in joke was that our shirt names and the
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million varieties are like the million
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different varieties of apple product
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names it's like macbook two USB ports
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2013 you know late 2013 or whatever so
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that's what our shirts are like and we
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have a million net varieties anyway one
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of them is what we call the jet black
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shirt which isn't you know obviously
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allusion to the new phone color for the
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iphone 7 and the jet black shirt is a
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black t-shirt and the printing on it is
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also in black and that's the joke it's
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completely black if this is not clear to
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you that it is black printing on a black
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t-shirt it will be basically invisible
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like if you're buying this shirt and you
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get it and you're like hey I can't see
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anything on this shirt because it's
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black ink Clinton on black that's the
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joke it's a jet black it's you know how
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much more black took the shirt be and
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the answer is none none more black which
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is a different joke or reference if not
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joke anyway so teespring was encouraging
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us very strongly to not sell a shirt
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with black printing on black because
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customers get it and they're angry
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because they can't see anything on it
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and I had faith in our customers and say
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black shirt and it does have black
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printing and you can see it in the
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picture like it's not a secret that it's
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black printing on black but I needless
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to say if you see that shirt and you're
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wondering is this black printing on a
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black shirt and will this be hard to see
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yes it's black burning on a black shirt
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and it will be super duper hard to see
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and that's the joke enjoy alright so yes
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so if you're listening to this do not be
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like Casey John and Mark oh don't be us
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be better than us which is not a very
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hard thing to do go to 80 PF m / shirt
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and buy you a shirt if you are so
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inclined that definitely helps us on the
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show and we thank you to anyone who is
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even considered doing so but please
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blame only the mirror if you miss the
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window because this one's on you
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although you should be like us and that
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in it when you actually do order shirts
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you should order like five of them like
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all of us are going to do
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that's true like anyone's before my kids
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for the first year my daughter said she
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she might want one she likes the rainbow
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one like everybody everybody else John
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didn't you not even by yourself the
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addition shirt three years ago that was
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me I totally did I've got an addition
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I'm I'm part of the elite are you
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kidding I was way too cheap to buy an
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addition Casey that invited say let's a
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thing about who's actually cheap here I
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did buy an addition yeah that that's
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just don't be like us kids go they just
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go into the t-shirt museum i'll have
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actually worn it you know i think i've
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worn mine like twice like I'm afraid to
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wear it too much that I don't want to
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wear it out because it's gold it's about
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it's a valuable t-shirt almost as
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valuable to cotton for a cheap your
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t-shirt shipped to Europe right sick
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burn the real valuable t-shirt for
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people haven't been keeping about the
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t-shirts is the very first tee shirt we
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ever printed but there was a printing
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error on it and so everybody who got
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that t-shirt got like the equivalent of
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the upside-down airplane on the stamp
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thing right where is it misprinted
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incorrectly made shirt and then all
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those same people got a second shirt
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correctly printed for free yeah so those
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people got two sheets are the shirts for
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the price of one and they also got a
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special collector's item never be
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reproduced printing error shirt so kudos
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to those people put those into the short
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museum oh goodness all right any other
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follow-up John the keeper of the
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follow-up anything else you'd like to
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add no we're at the end you see it you
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can see it you know John isn't only the
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keeper of the follow-up mm-hmm I'm
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heavily credited mmm all right Apple has
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apparently patented a USBC magsafe style
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adapter which is super duper exciting
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for those of us like myself who even
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though i don't have a US pc laptop i can
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tell you i will miss having magsafe
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because it saved my bacon a bunch of
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times so do we have any thoughts on this
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why are you excited by it that's the
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first question because i feel like i
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have had my laptop saved and or legs
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saved many many many times by the
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magsafe adapter that's been on my laptop
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or den on my laptop's so this looks like
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it would bring it back which would be
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great you need a you know magsafe four
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cups of water but within
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that yeah that is true yeah so the
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reason I think you should not be excited
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about it is because as we've said my
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time apple patents everything patents
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have no real bearing on anything that
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Apple were produced especially if you
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see the pattern before the product gets
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a good chance that there's not a product
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related to that but the reason I put it
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in here is not because I think apple
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will make such thing although belkin and
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a few other companies i think actually
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do make this exact thing that you're
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seeing here which is like a little thing
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that plugs into USB see it has a little
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mag safety kind of magnet snap off e
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thing on the end yeah Griffin is the one
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you think of anything it's unfortunately
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it's not very well regarded yeah but
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it's the same idea though it's just that
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the implementation may not be good visit
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is actually tricky to get this stuff
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right the reason I think it's
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interesting is because that back when we
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knew they were dropping magsafe oh but
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none of us actually seen the products
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yet and we hadn't really used the USBC
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we're like well you know magsafe is
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great and everybody loves it but it is
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bigger and maybe maybe USBC will the
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connectors will this yank out just as
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easily as magsafe does because it's a
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whole new connector it's not like a big
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USB a connector you know who sees who
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knows what it'll be like but now that we
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all have experience with us bc it was
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pretty safe to say it does not come out
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as easily as matic safe in any way shape
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or form and that the hazard of tripping
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over your cord that's connected through
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USB see to your laptop is back it used
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to be mostly gone with magsafe depending
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on the angle that you trip over it on
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but now the danger is back and i think
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USBC kind of like air pods is one of
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those little things that seems like oh
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whatever you know wireless earphones or
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you know magnet instead of plugging in
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and that seems nice but i think magsafe
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is was mostly universally beloved the
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only complaints i ever heard about
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magsafe were from couch chargers people
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who use their you know think connected
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on the couch or like with a big
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comforter or blanket and they would say
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it was a little bit too loose in it like
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they would knock it out unintentionally
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but that's the only bad thing i've ever
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heard of a magsafe and for a connector
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and a technology that looks if you if
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you just you know look at it it looks
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like weird and delicate in the same way
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the lightning does and it like you're
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looking it's like so it's a magnet and
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these you know this little tiny set of
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contacts inside there and all the power
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to this laptop is going through these
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tiny little pinprick point things
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that just seems so much less robust and
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what if stuff gets in there and so on
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and so forth but I've had Meg site from
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many many devices and still have it on
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many of them and I still think it's a
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great idea well executed again you know
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modulo the the the looseness of like
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magsafe 2 and and other issues like that
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and I think it's pretty beloved I think
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people like a couple products because
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they have magsafe it was another one of
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those Apple things like that makes it
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better than just a regular laptop and
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when it went away and when we discovered
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that there is no real replacement for it
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is just like well that advantage is now
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gone you know it was it was kind of it
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kind of made their laptops worse in a
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way and in some tiny way it made their
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laptops worse and Apple having a patent
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like this makes me think that it's very
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least somewhere inside the company they
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said can we go all USBC but also retain
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the advantages of magsafe somehow by you
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know but by the answer to everything
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that is the answer in the world of us bc
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which is let's make an adapter and so
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and so they did and patented it but you
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know decided not to ship it for whatever
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reason because maybe it's still kind of
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clunky or whatever anyway all this is to
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say that I wish instead of doing this
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adapter and going USBC everywhere and
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they're not shipping this adapter and
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leaving the third parties I wish they
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had come up with magsafe three magsafe
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is too big and clunky and your devices
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are getting thinner and thinner can you
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come up with some other solution that
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also uses magnets that has all the same
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advantages in it we haven't seen a
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patent for that but clearly nothing
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they've shipped reflects that anyway I'm
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saying as I miss magsafe and I wish it
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would come back and it seems like at
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least some contingent inside apple also
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misses magsafe because they tried to do
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something to bring it back if you're
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going to do magsafe on us bc the
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solution is not to have this weird
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little stick out like half inch long
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adapter that you need to also have with
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you or stick on your cables and have
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that breakaway know that that's like
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anything that involves like a rigid
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adapter against a USB port i think is
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not a good idea long-term because it's
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so easily just like you know breaks off
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in the port or something else like all
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those USB hubs that were designed first
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for the macbook one that like literally
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just like a
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hacks right next to it like flush
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against the case and have this big long
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hub down the side like that's just
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asking for to like to have your knee
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push against that or something and have
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the end of the cable snap off into the
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into the socket like anything like that
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I think is a bad idea and I think the
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the relative a mediocre reception of the
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Griffin thing that looks just like this
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is I think reinforcing of that to me if
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you're going to have this problem you
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have now which is you're not going to
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have a dedicated magnetic charging port
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anymore you're just gonna charge through
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any USBC port then you can't make them
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all magnetic because you know that's not
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how you SBC works but you can do an
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innovation that Microsoft figured out in
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2001 I think which is whenever the xbox
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one came out i don't mean the xbox o ne
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I mean the Xbox number one the first
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Xbox and that was you put the magnetic
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splitter thing a few inches away from
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the console in the cable you know in a
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similar location that many cables would
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have one of those you know drum like
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those drum shape like magnetic
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interference reducer things you know
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like you know a few inches from the
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connector head you have a little like
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breakaway thing that if you pull it the
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wrong way it opens up it's like magsafe
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you know six inches into a cable
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basically that worked great on the xbox
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and I'm sure you know it wouldn't be
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like the most like visually pristine
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thing but neither are these neither is
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like this road full of crazy adapters we
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have now the adapters are all ugly and
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stupid and clunky right so if you move
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it away from the port by a few inches
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onto the cable you have all the same
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safeties of Mac safe but you get it away
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from the laptop body it then works fine
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in any USBC port and it doesn't require
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the use of these little fragile adapters
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back when we talked about this
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originally this that's actually wasn't
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the most popular know that did you you
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did bring it up back then too because
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you have this absurd love for that huge
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console that was a great console the
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most common the most common thing that
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plug it right back in like and I think
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a frequent operations in frequently
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it's more pleasant to plot even just
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being able to yank it out to unplug it
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does trip over and like some end of it
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power brick it's either in a wall socket
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know it's it's it's just jongup would
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never like it isn't the big bulge in the
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middle of things so I still come down
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strongly in favor of magsafe three as in
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have an actual magsafe port on the
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laptops and have a mattock site thing
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that plugs into it just make it a new
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size that fits in I mean if you make it
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the size of us bc then you're like well
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this will last as long as us bc does
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done nothing including not shipping this
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adapter and as Marco said the one that
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development today as we record this if
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i'm not mistaken which as you're
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listening to this might be like a week
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ago but today it was announced that it
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will it's official itunes podcasts is
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now Apple podcasts and there's new
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badges that you can use and so on and so
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for iTunes and what does that really
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don't know I can't say I would be bitter
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if itunes either went away or more
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accurately the app just got split up
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several ways but I mean this is some
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pretty heavy reading of the tea leaves
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what do you think Marco I mean this all
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might be leading to something big or it
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might just be like you know itunes is
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not as strong of a brand as it used to
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be anymore you know we like when they
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launched the new streaming music service
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they didn't call it new itunes music
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they call it apple music they just all
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this call the itunes music 2013 or
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whatever year was president and the next
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year this be called new itunes music
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exactly like you know it could be part
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of some part of you know like a big
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grand like
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toons deprecation plan where everything
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branded as iTunes is is being replaced
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by separate things and that would be
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cool that but I don't think this is
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evidence of that it might be you know it
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I think we will be able to look back at
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this in retrospect if that comes to pass
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and say oh that was the beginning of it
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but yeah right now I don't think we can
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really say anything except that we've
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been hearing rumblings for a while Apple
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is working on some kind of update stoop
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to their podcasting you know division or
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whatever and what and some of those are
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going to be enhancements for publishers
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most of which have been totally
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unspecified so far but we know that
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they're working on something for
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podcasts so this is just one step of
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that in all likelihood just the very
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first step of now it's Apple podcast to
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go along with Apple music I don't think
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this really means anything yet so I
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think this is kind of actually like a
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lagging as the wrong price not a lagging
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indicator but like that this change in
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branding from itunes podcast Apple
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podcast is actually something that's
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overdue like it is catching up to the
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reality and the reality is that on all
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these podcast sites whether you see the
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subscribe and overcast and subscribe in
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iTunes like that's the other little
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badge button and you would hit like that
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the iTunes brand being associated with
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podcast is past the point of being
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mostly nonsensical because itunes like
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we just know it because historically
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speaking the itunes podcast director was
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important for podcasting and it's also
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very important popular authoritative
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index of podcasts these days and it
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happened to hear versed in an
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application that we know as iTunes but
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that no longer has any relevance if it
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ever did to podcasts it barely has any
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relevance to music anymore which is why
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Apple music is called album music right
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that the iTunes brand in all its forms
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both in association with music in an
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application or association with a
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podcast or any other things that it is
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done doesn't make sense in the current
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Apple ecosystem and so to continue to
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have branding and promotional materials
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and website buttons and marketing
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communications and everything with the
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a minute isn't you know is not a good
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idea and they should have stopped doing
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it a long time ago and so now I think
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their branding is catching up with that
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I think their product should also
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eventually catch up with it as well like
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that has it has a lot on the on the
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phone there's still icons on the phone
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that say itunes but the fact that they
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broke up TV app and that apple TV is
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called you know Apple TV instead of ITV
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and that they have podcast broken out
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and you know like I said the rats are
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fleeing the sinking ship of itunes but
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they've been they've been leaving for a
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long long long time and eventually all
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that will be left is this weird bloated
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mac application like it might even leave
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you know iOS homescreen sweet and the
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only thing left will be the Mac
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application and that probably has the
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least resources to ever refactor it but
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I'm all for them both rebranding and
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restructuring this but even if they
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don't do that neva this is just simply
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simple rebranding exercise good because
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it's time to rebrand these things and to
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divorce them from itunes it's a name
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that doesn't have it the only
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connotations the name has for anybody
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who remembers it are like dated
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connotations like oh yeah I remember
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buying my first things in itunes anyway
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now I subscribe to Spotify and when I
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see itunes podcasts like podcasts kind
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of like that old thing I used to do with
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music doesn't make any sense so itunes
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has served Apple well but you know once
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Apple itself has switched its preeminent
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music service away from the iTunes brand
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that's the day the iTunes brand died and
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now all we're doing now is just you know
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letting the rest of the products catch
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up with it I mean I would say it was
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even earlier than that I would say like
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yeah like it did make sense to say for a
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podcast subscribe in iTunes in the early
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days of podcasting before there was all
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this mobile listening when you were
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mostly listening by literally
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subscribing in the itunes app on a mac
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or windows and syncing them to your ipod
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to listen to so that made sense then but
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i'm so painful than those it was really
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I was a bad time and it was great for
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the time you know in the sense like das
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was great for its time anyway so I hope
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it was great with the times I I can't
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here we go there we go so it like so
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here's the singing songs to my ipod
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back in the days like oh you've got your
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your iPod with a monochrome LCD screen
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and a click wheel or you know a
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mechanical spinning wheel like first gen
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ipod putting songs on that by connecting
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it with the firework able to your Mac
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and yet iTunes would see it and syncing
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things to it is clunky but that was like
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that was the tech the problem with
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podcasts is there are they are a
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regularly published thing like they're a
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feed it's not like you put your songs on
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your iPod you put your podcast in your
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ipod you have them there's never any
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putting your podcast in your iPod
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there's always more podcasts like every
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day of the week if you're subscribed to
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a lot of them whereas new songs aren't
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wrong arriving in your iTunes collection
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every day the week unless you spend a
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lot of your time buying music so it was
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so painful to know to have to constantly
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have this mental keep keeping your head
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the state of whatever is on your pot you
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know your iPod Oh when's the last time I
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synced it is the new episode of show X
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to the door you're like you lee about to
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be late for work imagine you can't spend
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a 20 minute itunes sync yeah i mentioned
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how many people in the world were
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collectively five minutes late to work
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during that time because they were
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waiting for their ipod to finish syncing
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the new podcast episodes and you
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episode on it like nope gotta gotta do
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sinking it's gonna be a while is that
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five of seven stop yeah anyway so back
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it did make sense to say subscribe in
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iTunes for a podcast back then but
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because I ain't as you said like because
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the podcast brand was never really used
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on iOS like there was there is the
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itunes app but that's basically like the
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video and movie store right or like it's
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like how you can buy music videos and
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movies on the phone you know that's the
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only place that that the itunes name was
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ever used on iOS so to say subscribe in
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iTunes for a podcast now
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makes very little sense because what
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does that mean to anybody using a phone
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somebody with a podcast or if you tell
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pocket listener subscribe in iTunes
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know what you're talking about so I
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a thing that they probably should do for
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podcasts and I again I wouldn't read
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anything more into it than that because
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there might be something more to it but
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market for dedicated game consoles
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nintendo can survive these days they
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seem to be doing more than just
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surviving breath of the wild oh this
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must not have been that long ago then
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breath of the wild is a fantastic game
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that turned me back into a believer
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taking into account Super Mario run the
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switch in breadth of the wild what grade
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would John assign the company is he
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bullish about Nintendo's future that
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means you're happy about it right i
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always get bearish or bullish backwards
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yeah anyway how does he feel about their
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upcoming paid online service which I
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didn't even know about well as the email
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finishes the people want to know and now
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I am one of the people so John how do
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you feel about Nintendo I had to give
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them a great i would still give them
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like a b-minus or so and here's why
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first of all the switch is still I mean
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it's doing doing well by all accounts
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but it's still too early to call because
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they're still in the afterglow of their
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launch which launched with one of the
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best games that Nintendo has ever made
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everyone loves breath of the wild
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universally good reviews I love it it's
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great um but doesn't have legs house
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how's it going to switch going to be
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selling like three or four years from
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now is it going to have the longevity
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that you would expect of a console in
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the past let alone the longevity of
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today's consoles which seemed to have
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second lives when you get like the ps4
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pro and Scorpio and all that stuff where
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it's technically the same console but
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it's a bumped up version like it's
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extending the life like I give these
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consoles more time whereas the wii u did
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not have a long life it was not very
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successful the thing about the switch
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and breadth of the wild that that makes
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me downgrade their grade perhaps by a
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lot in terms of you know making
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dedicated game consoles is brought the
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wild was the game that was originally
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announced for the wii u and it was
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developed with wii u specific features
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so like there would be stuff on the
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gamepad and also stuff on the TV screen
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and motion control for the aiming and
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also show us stuff like that and because
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of the short life of the wii u and
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because of the rapid rapid necessary
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development of its replacement the
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switch nintendo had to change things
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around and take out the wii u they
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didn't have to do this was what i did
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take out the wii u specific features for
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the wii u version because they don't
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want the wii u version to seem like it's
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the better version
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they want you know you want to switch
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version to be the better version and the
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switch doesn't have a separate gamepad
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in TV although if they had designed
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differently could have because you've
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got all the hardware there but it
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doesn't it's got if you put it in his
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little cradle you can see on TV and if
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you hold it on your hand that's where it
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is you don't have a to screen experience
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with switch for this game and so breath
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of the wild as fantastic as it is could
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have been a ps4 game and the exact same
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game it would have better graphics and a
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better frame rate it could have been a
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ps4 game and that has not been true for
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the most part of Nintendo's breakout
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hits in the modern era then intend to 64
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and mario 64 and the analog stick like
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that is all of a piece you cannot put
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out Mario 64 on the SNES or Sega Genesis
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or you know anything like that because
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the whole game is designed around not
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just 3d hardware but also the
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controllers and other act like the
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hardware the software went together to
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provide the innovative experience Wii is
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an obvious much more modern example the
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wii doesn't exist about the hardware its
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hardware and software together the
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Gamecube I would say is Apple's most
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technologically successful traditional
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console and that it was just playing a
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good competitive powerful console with a
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good controller at a good price well
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designed for profitability just you know
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straight down the middle like basically
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what Microsoft has always done with its
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consoles right in recent years starting
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with the wii though Nintendo has been
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making less powerful consoles and trying
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to concentrate and innovate in other
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areas and the switch is certainly
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innovative with its portable and
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non-portable you know that advancement
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but that advancement does not dictate so
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far for the most part a particular
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gameplay experience especially since you
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I don't even know if you're allowed to
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do this but especially since the games
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that have been released so far don't say
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you can only play this important mode
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because it requires a touchscreen
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they're also playable on the television
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which means you can't make a game that
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requires a touchscreen that is also able
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to be played on the TV and then it's no
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longer a switch is just a portable game
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right maybe
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nintendo will allow people to do that
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eventually but as far as I'm aware for
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now there now I don't feel good always
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just say that I haven't seen any synergy
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between software and the hardware which
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means Nintendo's the advantage I was
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talking about Nintendo like as long as
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they there's a market for a decade game
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consoles content Nintendo can be
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successful and survive because then they
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can do that thing that Nintendo has
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always done which is make an amazing
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product that requires a synergy of
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hardware and software somewhat like
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Apple has you know they had a reputation
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for doing over the many years but breath
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Laval could have been a ps4 game I'm
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probably would've been better on ps4 and
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I would have been happier if breath of
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the wild ran on hardware that was more
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powerful now that's just me some people
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may want a really good portable system
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in which case they don't want breath
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awhile and ps4 they want on switch
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because they love playing it in a
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portable thing on the go and you know
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upstairs in the bed or whatever like
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that makes it a successful handheld but
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again doesn't say anything specific
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about it other than like you know why
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couldn't have been a cut sorry Sony I
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can't remember the name of your stupid
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most recent handheld that is not
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successful chat room what the hell is
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the aveda it's all right the NSX no no
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the vita play playstation vita and did
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they have what was the one after the
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vida god I can't even keep track this
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lag is killing me I think the Vita
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smells reason anyway people who love the
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hand help they're you know they're thin
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handhelds before now I understand the
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switch thing being able to take off the
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little controls and use them separately
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so there is some innovation there but it
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doesn't have the same synergy with with
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the games as other stuff is that it
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doesn't mean it's not going to this is
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very early days saying that you know new
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games are going to come out all the time
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I'll see how they go and there you know
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the switch is successful people like it
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the software is good it can still be a
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successful product but my personal grade
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competitive with the two other big
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also-ran because they make less powerful
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hardware and within the realm of less
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powerful hardware their track record of
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being able to make innovations that have
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profound effects on gameplay and vice
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versa has been hit-or-miss over the
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years and the switch is kind of like a
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base hit in that people like it and it
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does what it's supposed to do well
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but it seems like it is just a way for
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you to play the same old console games
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that you could always play portably and
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TV which is it's an innovation is that's
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what people like about it like I don't
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have to choose between some cut down
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portable game versus a full fledge TV
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one but that innovation is succeeds by
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being somewhere in the middle it's not
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as good on the TV is the dedicated TV
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consoles but it's better portably than
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some of the weaker powered portable
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consoles also still may my Nintendo like
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the 3ds so it you know it may be the
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right product at the right time and
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certainly I think we can all say that it
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has a brighter future as far as anyone
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can tell them that we you did and the
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wii u was arguing much more arguably
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much more innovative it just you know
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the game sort of never materialized but
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i think this launch and the fact they
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had to make the switch in the fact that
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they have the cut out the features from
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the wii u version so it didn't appear to
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be the better version of the game than
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the switch version are all kind of
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disappointing markers of this difficult
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period in tendo's history but I'm glad
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they're I'm glad they're recovering
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after the wii u and i'm glad the switch
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does appear to be more successful I wish
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them all the success in the world I just
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wish they would the product that I want
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them to make is not the switch but if
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the switch if the switch is what they
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have to make for me to get breath of the
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wild to make them successful again you
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know I can live with it but that's what
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I'm giving them like a bb- so far you
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know it's funny you say that because
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when the switch first came out well when
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we talked about the Sun when the promo
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video or teaser video whatever was came
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out I was like wow that looks are
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actually really cool and then when it
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first came out I thought you know it
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still looks really cool and then I've
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played with with my sister in laws and
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with some friends of ours a couple of
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times very briefly wow it's pretty cool
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and for the last month or however long
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it's been out I've been trying to
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convince myself that I don't play games
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anymore which is accurate that the last
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time I bought a console I played it for
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a couple of months and never touched it
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again which is accurate and thus there
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is no reason to spend a whole bunch of
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money on a switch which I will probably
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use for a month and then never use again
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which I presume to be accurate that
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being said just earlier tonight I
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realized the super useful website I
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stock now which I knew is tracking Apple
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inventory for things like air pods and
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whatnot they actually track inventory
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for the switch and I am strongly
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considering making a trip to a
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neighboring town to pick up a switch for
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myself tomorrow and no
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well part because I know I'm going to
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have a couple long plane rides my future
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and that seems like it'd be a really
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great way to spend some time on the
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plane and so here it is I am the
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antithesis of a typical console buyer is
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which is to say i don't buy consoles I
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don't tend to play video games and I
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feel like this console was made for me
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it may be like it's a successful vida oh
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it's a lot of people that's how they're
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viewing it like it is the best portable
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system ever had because the games on it
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are so amazing compared to I mean get
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credit there it's being pulled up the
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average by having breath of the wild on
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it but you know it's it's like imagine
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if there was a portable system we got
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the best first party titles from one of
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the best first party developers in the
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world that's the switch but I'm not
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interested in a portable so that doesn't
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really help me much but it doesn't mean
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the product is potentially more
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appealing than the wii u which had to
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sit in this weird metal ground but yeah
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I and I'm surprised that you are into
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playing in an affordable in the because
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you have pretty big hands as well and i
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find the size of it is not not conducive
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to my hands obviously i have our eyes I
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issues on top of everything else but it
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just feels a little bit awkward and I've
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been playing with the the Nintendo pro
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controller and it's no gamecube
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controller but it's okay for a
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controller that doesn't have an
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octagonal surround around the analog
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sticks and thinks all the buttons are
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equally important it's okay like it's
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not it's not great but I like it I like
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it better than the Wii U pro controller
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which maybe isn't saying much but it's
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something great episode of hyper
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critical or greatest episode of hyper
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critical it was an episode that exists
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oh wow worst you are the worst which
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episode was that you know offhand yeah I
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know I don't know pinching the harmonica
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it's classic but you don't know an
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episode dumped in in the 50s and the
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52nd I guess all right I'll look it up
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you google for syracuse of pinching the
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harmonica it's gonna be then upon hit i
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guarantee you this sounds like a
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dangerous query i don't know if i'll
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yeah don't do an image search just
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regular tech sergeant you'll find it 49
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you were very close and we caught you
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saying your own name twice in the last
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week caught me is this a secret
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yes I say I'll say it all day say all
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night all day except that whenever when
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you were having like a whole episode of
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wreckage about how no one presses your
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name right you never said I just don't
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want to encourage him yeah yeah you
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can't give him what he wants you know is
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incorrigible yeah that's a poor Merlin
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mmm don't don't you give him your pity
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he does not deserve it we are with your
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bad cop today aren't you that's how this
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is uh goodness all right so Marco what
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do you think about the switch i mean i
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know that tiff has has gotten herself
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one or well maybe it was for you but
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it's effectively hers i remember what
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the back story was but like have you
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played it at all it would remind me what
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your scenario is with that i played the
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wipeout clone for a few minutes and that
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was fun that's right that's right yeah
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but that's it so far I expect to play
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mario kart probably quite a bit amen
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brother but that's what that is not
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until you know this month i think so and
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also the boy oh boy oh tariffs which I
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know from my sega days as dr. robotnik's
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mean bean machine tetris i will probably
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be enjoying that as well when that comes
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out which i believe is also around mario
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kart time and then whenever there's ever
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a mario game for it i will like that if
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there's ever a virtual console that
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allows me to catch up a little bit on
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previous Mario games as we previously
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discussed I would like that but
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otherwise you know yeah I'm not that
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into it because I'm not that into games
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I'm I'm like you but I've already bought
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it and I've realized that there is a
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Merry game coming by the way in case
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you're wondering they're actually there
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it totally is one as yeah but it's a
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three days one I don't I don't like
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those are the real ones now no yeah but
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it's a 3d everyone else is saying
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finally a real Mara game instead of one
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of these and one of these nostalgic
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throwback 2.5 g things ya know that's
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what i want more 2.5 d to me like that's
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what mario games are like the 3d ones
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always felt like they were they were
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good games but they didn't feel like
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mario games to me they felt like a
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different thing you're so stuck in the
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past no it's just no I know you like you
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too d games you're playing through sonic
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for crying out loud like you I know you
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like to debug I i love the 3d ones
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better and i think
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they're just it's a different kind of
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game yeah I suppose I mean I I was
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surprised by how I talked about this on
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I think it was on rectus how games that
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I loved in the 2d era made the
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transition to 3d and I and I still love
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them even though like you said it is
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totally don't really like Zelda and 2d
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versus eldon 3d very different
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mechanically visually like so many
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things about or different and Mario same
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thing yet I still feel like this is a
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through-line I still feel like it's the
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same game the same kind of feeling the
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difference is that once they went 3d I
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couldn't go back to the 2d once anymore
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it's like well why would I want to just
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jump up and down to D I want I want to
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jump up and down the three year old it
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to me just like it'sit's such different
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mechanics like you know certain games
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like back in the like 8 and 16-bit era
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racing games like like mario kart for
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super nintendo play that game for so
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long it was such a great game but
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fundamentally you were really navigating
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a 3d world it just happened to be
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rendered and crude 2d that was trying to
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approximate but there's a lot of tapping
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because you didn't have analog sticks so
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tapping was all about tapping the d-pad
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right but the point is like you know
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translating mario kart from 2d to 3d
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just made it better it didn't it didn't
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like fundamentally produce a different
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kind of game it just you know you were
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already conceptually moving in 3d and it
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just made it better but a platform game
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is an incredibly different playing game
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between 2d and 3d everything you can do
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is totally different a lot of 2d stuff
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does not work in 3d and vice versa so it
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is a totally different kind of game and
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what made me so sad during the 32 and
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64-bit console era was that all of my
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favorite 2d franchises were basically
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killed off for like 10 years while they
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made 3d versions and that was fine but
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that wasn't it wasn't the same thing i
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know i've had this rank before recently
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i'll stop it here but 2d Mario and 3d
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Mario are different games and for a
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while they didn't continue both and I'm
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glad they in recent years have continued
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to both and I would love to play some of
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those new to slash 2.5 d Mario games and
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buy new I just mean made after the 90s
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so I know they're not new anymore for
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gamers but for me they would be new and
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I would love to play them but I
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wouldn't love to play them enough to go
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like buy a Wii U or something so I'm
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hoping they come to virtual console and
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reason I feel like there's a through
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control it and what is it you know what
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does the game work but sort of the I
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of the game but like Mario is about
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running and jumping that that you are
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exercising your athletic ability this
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little character it's going to navigate
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the world that's full of hazzard full of
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things that you touch to kill you pits
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that you fall into enemies that hurt you
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when they touch you and you are running
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and jumping and I feel like Mario 3d
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captured more than any game that had
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tried to do a similar thing before it
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and just why it's such an important game
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captured the fun of running and jumping
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what is fun about running around and
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jumping that's and yes it's totally
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different you're in 3d space the whole
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rules of the world are different like
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it's not like you know you you live if
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you're traveling downward on the enemy
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but if you're traveling up or do you die
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like all this all the mechanics of the
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old game every rule system every sort of
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how it controls in the air how run works
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you know holding down be to run like all
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that stuff went away and was replaced
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with something entirely different and
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yet I still feel like this is a game
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about the joy of running and jumping
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same thing with Zelda which was about
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exploring a world big scary dangerous
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world that you don't understand that you
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know that goes on for a long distance
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that you have to slowly discover the
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mysteries of and collect items and
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become more powerful and eventually
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solve you know solve a mystery and
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defeat an enemy and complete a story and
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the change to 3d was like you thought
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exploring was fun in 2d it's even more
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fun when it's 3d with better graphics
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and breath the wilds as you thought it
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was fun exploring like the idea of
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exploring well this world is humongous
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and you're exploring is no longer
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constrained in the way as it used to be
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all those games feel like yes Zelda is
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about exploration and conquest and
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mystery
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and you know defeating an enemy and
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story and that that's the through-line I
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see even though mechanically speaking
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the game is varied a lot so I think it
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really depends on what you were what
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part of the game you were there for if
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you were there for the mechanics and the
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mechanics change when it's like well
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this is a different game but if you were
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there for the joy of running and jumping
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in this in this new game in 3d even more
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thoroughly embodies the joy of running
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and jumping that you will like the 3d
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games so obviously you know were side of
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that I'm on and that I think I'm at the
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point where i can say i didn't even like
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the mechanics of a 2d once it's just
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that was the best incarnation of a game
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that made it you know that did you got
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to experience the fun i'm running around
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and jumping and then when they went to
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3d i just discarded the 2d I'm like well
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I get more of that here but if you like
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the 2d mechanics the 3d one has nothing
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for years waiting for 2.5 d games did
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you guys play f0 on the Super Nintendo
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oh yeah mostly looking at markup or on
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the n64 frame lock at 60 frames per
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second yeah it looked awesome 60 like
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there there were basically no polygons
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but it looked awesome mm-hmm that's the
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right trade-off for that game yeah i
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would say i just i love that game so
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done much my goodness did i love that
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game i will say they're like I one of
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the reasons why I've always liked
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wipeout and mario kart is that racing
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games are fun but racing games with
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weapons are a lot more fun that was one
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thing I was missed with f0 like it
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always like I enjoyed going really fast
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and stuff but i wanted to occasionally
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be able to fire a missile at kc I
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couldn't do that oh and speaking of
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games like we were playing because I'm
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still playing breath about obviously and
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I got the chance to try out the thing
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that I was suggesting Marco try out but
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that he said he tried and didn't like
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which is breath of the wild as
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essentially a party game we had some
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company over I me like you know a couple
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of adults and and their kids and all of
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us just sitting in the same room playing
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breath of the wild which is a single
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player game together as a party game
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because especially if you have someone
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who's you have the person who ostensibly
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controlling the game but then you have
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an entire room full of poo or have
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opinion
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what should be done next or what you
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should try or just you know laughing at
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the results of the most recent
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experiment because even just playing
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brother the wild single player is a
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constant series of distractions just try
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progressing the story quest you can't do
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it because it's like what's that over
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there Oh what's this all I want to do
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this and you'll find yourself 20 degrees
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removed from what you thought you were
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doing and you're having fun the whole
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time if you have a room full of people
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who are also engaged with that even
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though none of them are actually playing
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telling you spotting something out the
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corner there I you didn't see or getting
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excited about something that happened or
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giving you a suggestion about something
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to try it worked very well maybe it
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wouldn't work well as you could deep
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into the game people start to suss out
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what the mechanics are but for a roomful
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of people half of which had never even
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seen breath of the wild it was hilarious
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and fun and the most fun I've had quote
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unquote playing a video game in a large
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group even though yet one person had the
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controller and it was not me in a long
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time and that's what I'm suggesting
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Marco do with when tip is playing but
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apparently he's still just bored and
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falls asleep and Adam is her co-pilot
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well to be honest Marco's about to fall
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asleep anyway that's true for different
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reasons this is before he went to
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Ireland he was still falling asleep on
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my couch he's an old man he's got a
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beard now he just like it put him on the
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couch in three seconds later his eyes
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are closing he's snoring and then you
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wake up he says I was just resting my
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eyes thanks for three sponsors this week
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betterment jammed and mail route and we
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will see you next week now the show is
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over they didn't even mean to be
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cuz it was accidental oh it was
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accidental John didn't do any research
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Marco and Casey wouldn't let
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cuz it was accidentally it was
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accidental and you can find the show
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notes at acp FM and if you're into
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twitter you can follow them at cas eyl
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ISS so that's Casey list and AR 0 a RM
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Angie Marco Arment why are they see us
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at Syracuse
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let's talk about something really
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important let's talk about WWDC lunches
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and indescribable detail so this came up
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a couple of shows ago I forget exactly
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how but I guess was when we were talking
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about the change from moscone to
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wherever we are in san jose and one of
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us might have been me brought up the WBC
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lunches and i think the two of you kind
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of immediately poo-pooed them and I said
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oh really they're not that bad and I
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think John made a joke about all we
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should talk about that in great detail
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another time and and it turns out John
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wasn't entirely joking and a better man
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would not bring this up and say it's a
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stupid idea but I am NOT that man and
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I'm anxious to talk about WBC lunches
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great yeah so this is isaac Goward I
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have scoured the internet so just just
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to be clear we are talking about the
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conference center box lunches for an
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event that is no longer happening in
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that conference center and will no
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longer have this particular box lunch
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series and also the event itself is not
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happening for another almost two months
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from now and this is what we're talking
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about right now I love you guys so much
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two shows worth of mac pro stuff made
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casey willing to talk about literally
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anything else literally anything or
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since I've just finished Parks and Rec I
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will talk about literally anything right
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now are you a mac pro anyway uh so John
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wanted to tell us about WBC box lunches
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yeah so I we were just came up in the
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talking about the conference and things
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that are good and bad about maybe we
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were talking about odwalla and stuff
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like that and here's the thing about
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debussy it's a expensive conference is
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expensive to put on I'm sure it's in an
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expensive city things in conference
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centers if you've never put on a
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conference yourself or talk to any who
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has are absurdly expensive much more
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expensive than you think they are
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because there's a lot of other costs
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built into them Apple usually has I
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think in general pretty good food and
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drink options especially considering the
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scale I'm
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is not like 50,000 people like you know
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a really giant convention but 5,000
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people there's nothing to sneeze that if
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you're trying to give snacks and drinks
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5,000 people it's really easy to cheap
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out an apple in general tries to do
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better they have like donuts and
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danishes switcher you know reasonable
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quality don'ts ninja some of them
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actually like like Marco mention is
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usually one that's really good i think a
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lot of them are actually really good i
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have no idea how the coffee is i don't
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drink it the bagels are garbage well you
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know in San Francisco come on obviously
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you do get bagels no west coast for the
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drinks when they had our wall eyeball is
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fairly expensive I think high quality
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beverage it's not like they're putting
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out RC Cola for everybody right
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apologies to the rsf fence so I think as
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far as conference goes like they're
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certainly not really the top of the heap
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maybe they're not even above average for
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this view these things I just listened
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but they're they're about average I've
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definitely been to conferences that have
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much better food but also much much
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worse so I think I think they're doing
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okay for all those things by the way all
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those things and also like fresh fruit
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and other stuff that you get out in the
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hallways pretty good also probably
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astronomically expensive if you were to
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add up like how much does this one
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muffin i picked up costs Apple you know
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oh great $27 for this muffin yum yum yum
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doesn't make it taste any better but
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it's not to get the scale of the cost
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much more expensive than you think but
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then we come to the lunches and the
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lunches are not at any different scale
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presidio for the keynote every every one
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of those 5,000 people or however many
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there like the food goes it's not as if
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it's you know that the lunch is it 10
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times bigger than the snacks they put
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all the people who are in the conference
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if they wanted them all right and so
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lunch is the same deal a lot of people
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go out to lunch you know the same kind
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of ratio I'm not sure what happens for
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the lunch food because it's the same
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problem how do you feed a reasonable
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quality product to a large group of
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people right so you have all the same
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problems of scale and you know packaged
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food versus freshly made you know or all
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the same problems yet somehow for lunch
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in particular they they blow it they
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they are well below average even below
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Apple's own average for example if you
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have ever been to an apple tech talk I
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think the food the Tech Talks is better
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then this lunch food maybe because it's
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not i think even the lunches are they
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give similar little box lunches so
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anyway this is what the lunch is like
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you line up with everybody else and you
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a crest across a big series of tables
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they can do good job with traffic flow
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like you know the lines move its
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massively distributed it's a parallel
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architecture kind of like altivec for
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the old folks you know single
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instruction multiple developer alright
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and as lots of tables with maybe three
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choices you got the chicken the beef and
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the vegetarian option and there's a
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bunch of plastic clear plastic boxes
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that have three areas in them there's
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the main area where they going to put
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the main part of your lunch there's one
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little corner of the thing that is kind
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of like a dessert ething and there's
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like a side dish thing and somehow they
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manage to find the most inappropriate
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things to put inside this vessel but
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their most common failure mode is to
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pick something that needs to be crispy
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or dry in some way and to put it inside
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this container that traps moisture so
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that whatever your sandwich or piece of
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bread or whatever thing is sitting it is
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next to some wet side dish or something
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it seeps into the bread and there's
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nothing worse than picking up a sandwich
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that has been sitting there in liquid
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for a long period of time before you got
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to it same thing with any any kind of
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bread that requires freshness or
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staleness or whatever to you know not
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not being stale to be good that that is
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that the crux of making this dish good
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and you get it with some kind of
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styrofoam like bread substance on it or
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putting spreads on like putting like
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mustard or mayonnaise or other kind of
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wet spreads on the bread but putting
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them directly against the bread instead
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of in between the layers so they soak
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into the bread and for the side dishes
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not much you can do with side dishes
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because it's got to be it's room
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temperature it's not hot but they will
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very often put side dishes that should
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be hot in a room temperature container
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which is the wrong thing to be putting
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their and the desserts like that's such
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an easy win just give us a damn
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chocolate chip cookie put a piece of
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choc cake in there it's not hard like
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these things keep you know you can buy
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prepackaged ones put it put two chips
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too high in like you would kill a
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certain point you would kill for chips
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ahoy and
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said these are like these handmade like
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supposed to be sugary sweet confections
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that are it tastes like you know tastes
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like ashes in your mouth like they're
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just they're just terrible little
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squares of potentially sweet thing again
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also alternately stale and soggy and
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there's no reason there's no reason to
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try to make an artisanal perfect
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beautiful complicated sophisticated
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thing you gotta put in foods that taste
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good and will keep and that's what they
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do on the outside like donuts keep
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dangers keep right a banana keeps auto
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ball in the container keeps but when it
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comes to lunch they feel like they're
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trying to make Lacey's beautifully
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prepared chef's dishes and then
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shoveling went to plastic and let them
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just do there and it is a terrible
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terrible experience and I say this is
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someone who has had probably more box
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lunches on average than most attendees
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who wEDC because I get the BOK lunch
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pretty much every day because I don't
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want to go out and have to come back I
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just want to run down there quickly get
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my lunch eat it and then go get in line
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for the next thing so I eat all these
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things but sometimes even I with you
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know in a hurry to be your tell attorney
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just can't make it just can't make it
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through the food and you just sometimes
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you just take one for full that side
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dish you like all right that's no that's
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it I'm done and eat half of the soggy
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sandwich or you just leave the bottom
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half of the sandwich down there and you
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just eat the top half or and I wish I
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could remember I should have record
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these in film sometimes they don't do
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sandwiches sometimes is other kind of
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lunch things sometimes just literally
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inedible it's like there's there's no
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food to be had here this was I don't
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know what this is even supposed to be
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here be dragons tastes terrible it looks
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terrible it has to be eaten with a fork
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out of this little container and I feel
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like I'm like a spaceship eating in one
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of those you know space food that comes
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out of a tube or something so my topic
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was so worth it anybody's I actually
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don't think they're that bad like
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nothing you said is wrong I'm not
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disagreeing with anything said I just
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think I'm less bothered by it generally
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speaking i find the sandwiches to be
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perfectly acceptable they are not great
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i'm even hard-pressed to say they're
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good they're just fine i don't typically
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run into the bread sogginess problem but
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again I agree with what you said that
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they definitely pair things that that
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will create bread sogginess vortex
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so you are not wrong and also likelihood
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the quality of the ingredients between
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the brit like whatever they put their
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whether it's a cold cut or a piece of
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chicken or some arugula or let us it's
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always like the most the worst form of
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that so if it's chicken the chicken is
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just dry as chalk if it is lettuce
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lettuce is completely wilted you know if
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it's ham the ham tastes like it's
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entirely made of filler and like a pig
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walk by at once I can't continue up dead
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I like so I'm with in case like I don't
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actually like you know I've also eaten a
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lot of these not as many as John has
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died I will usually try to escape the
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conference center for lunch at least a
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couple of the days but I've eaten a good
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number of them and it's me there they're
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always not great but they're always
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better than I expect them to be you know
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I because I I look at them and I have
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very low expectations because they are
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these like you know mass-produced
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clearly well ahead of time is usually
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there aren't room temperature cold like
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the whole box is cold so they were they
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were usually you know I was interested
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in a fridge for a few hours between
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preparation or level weeks you know or
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manufacturing I guess but anyway I you
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know they're they're always to me like
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about the quality of like to like
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modern-day air airplane food on a decent
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airline so it's like it's not as bad as
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you expect and actually not that bad and
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it mostly tastes like nothing but you
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don't really care a like it tastes if it
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has any flavor at all the flavors from
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like the like salad dressing that they
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use to moisten the sandwich and provide
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some flavor like that's really where all
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the flavor comes from so it just tastes
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like some cold lettuce and chicken with
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a little bit of salad dressing on it and
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that's fine and I think the comparison
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airplane food is good because I got that
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same sense from airplane food and it
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taste like it tastes like it's dead it
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tastes like it's from I was gonna
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reference the Stephen King story then
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neither of you have even heard of and
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known as listening those red but anyway
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it tastes like all of the sort of life
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has been sucked out of it and an
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airplane it's a lot about like you being
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you know different cabin pressure and
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recycled air and in a small space and
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all the other things in the
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planes weird right but this is on the
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ground where it looks like a sandwich
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but when you bite it all you can feel is
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the texture and there's like literally
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no taste or if there is taste the bad
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taste and that's what you know and the
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dressing they put on to try to be fancy
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that has made the bread all soggy and
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gross and the bread already wasn't very
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good like all you get is like the
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feeling of eating foam rubber and then a
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momentary tang of the terrible mustard
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spread or vinegar thing that they put on
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it and it's a lot like being on the
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airplane because you buy your twenty
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dollar sandwich and it is like you
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realize the sandwich has become a
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homogeneous solid that it is no longer a
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bunch of individual ingredient you bite
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into it and again all you experience is
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the varying textures of the of the
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things but nothing has any taste I mean
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but I like I've never had as negative
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reaction as you have yep use like I
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they've always I've you know usually but
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I'm eating them I'm paying attention to
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what I'm eating for at most one bite but
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I'm also like usually like thinking
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about what I just saw in sessions or I'm
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talking to you guys or other people who
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are around or whatever else and so like
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I'm not like before I know it I have
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consumed the mass that's in this plastic
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container and I have not given a second
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thought to it and I'm drinking some
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sugary disgusting like iced tea thing or
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something and it's fine terrible I state
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what is a st some I know people like
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that but it's it's lifting canned iced
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tea which is full of sugar why can't
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think why can't they service a proper
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like carbonated beverage why is that so
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hard now I shouldn't be I shouldn't be
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that grumpy no they have other
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carbonated beverages that I just don't
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take them as I don't like I lunch on a
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little bit really bad lemonade is one of
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the choices I really big ice tea is
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there other choice that's correct oh
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they don't have like sodas in there not
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during lunch that's the thing they have
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them out it's snack time but they won't
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do it it can I say four-year-old they'll
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put it on a snack time even without the
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mats for the naps that's when they bring
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no um there's no soda during lunch which
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drives me batty because you're exactly
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right like the real issue here is that
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it's crappy it's crappy lemonade or well
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I don't drink iced tea but my
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understanding is like you guys said it's
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crappy iced tea I mean to be fair like
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I'm not even sure I would call that iced
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tea like there's it's it's just a ton of
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sugar yeah i'm not sure what the tea
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flavor is
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in it I mean they're just like terribly
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sickly sweet sugary liquid yeah it
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tastes very little like actual iced tea
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it tastes a lot more like and like I
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always grab it thinking like I don't
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want all the sugar of soda let me grab
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this iced tea and of course it has just
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as much if not more sugar as most and
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every time it's like that's so sweet but
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no I mean I just don't I've never found
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them that offensive and and I wonder
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John are you just making bad choices
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like normally when you when you approach
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the rows of tables that have all these
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on them usually given about three
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options and it will usually be something
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on the lines of like chicken roast beef
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and vegetarian given that choice John
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which do you pick cuz I'll tell you what
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I would never pick roast beef I would
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usually in that case pick the chicken
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option all right well the only one I
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could say I pretty much never pick his
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vegetarian I pic vegetarian maybe twice
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that of like you know the 30 days I've
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been at everybody see so far my life and
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it has been a terrible mistake every
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time because i doing i'm not like right
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so for the other choices I feel like
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I've rotated pretty well because I'm
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desperately in search or something i can
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find edible so it's not like i'm saying
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if this chicken be Zoey's picture pic
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beef like about 50-50 on the choices and
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I'm not going with what I think I would
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like better if both were made well I'm
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entirely going on like eyeballing them
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and saying does that look like it's
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going to be like for example but like
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I've learned it's best for me to avoid
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or wraps so if I have a choice between
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anything in a wrap and something not in
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a wrap it's best to avoid wraps because
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the wraps really emphasize the
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homogeneous solid thing like whatever
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the constituent ingredients were they
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wrap it all up put it together make it
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all soggy put it in the fridge and it
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just becomes this like giant hunk of
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cookie dough only it doesn't taste like
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cookies and doesn't matter what they put
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in it and so I bizzle be like vegetables
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in their terrible meat will be mixed
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into the thing some kind of liquid or
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mayo and then the wrapping on the
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outside all soggy and cold and all
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completely tasteless so in general I
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avoid wraps and I will prefer avoiding
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the wraps over the particular thing in
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them I have learned that chicken is
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super dangerous if it's thick because it
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has always end up being very very dry
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but other than that I'm willing to give
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almost anything try willing to believe
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that this one is going to be the one
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that is not typically vile and most of
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the time I can get through if is again
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you're sitting there talking to people
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or whatever but I do find myself briefly
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distracted while sitting there eating my
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thing to go this is real this is
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terrible I can't even believe is then
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you just continue going right sometimes
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I just can't get through it side dishes
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have lowest percentage for me it's like
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I'd it's just a write-off I don't pick
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based on the side dishes I assume all
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the side dishes will be terrible that is
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pretty accurate to be honest that's the
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thing is to me the sandwich to me is
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usually ok I agree that that the the
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meat is maybe ham adjacent rather than
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ham the bread maybe a little wetter than
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you want but it's edible it's usually
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fine but in the desert oftentimes I
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don't care for the particular flavor of
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the desert because as an example I don't
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and this may not even be accurate but I
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don't like cranberries so maybe it's
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like a cranberry based dessert and so
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that's that's a KC problem not a dessert
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problem but the side dish tends to be
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pretty esoteric in my personal opinion
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and I agree with you probably four times
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out of five just gets written off the
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one thing with the side dish to me is
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that so it is also a you know the same
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general formula of like will take some
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bland ingredients and we will apply some
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kind of salad dressing to them to to
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generate flavor the main problem i have
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with the side dishes i almost always
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actually enjoy them but they always
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taste completely unexpected from from
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how i thought they should be based on
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how they look because like whatever
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whatever pairings they make between like
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the salad dressing or whatever is given
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the flavor and the ingredients in them
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like it looks nothing like it tastes and
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again i usually end up it's usually good
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enough i usually like it but it I'm
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always shocked by what is in my mouth
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after after I've seen it i also have i
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think one of the things that makes me
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predisposed to not like most these
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things is your super tight especially
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especially for things like side dishes
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except very often they will put things
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inside dishes that I expect to be served
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not not cold or not at room temperature
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so any rice base side dish I know plenty
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of you know people like rice at room
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temperature or their rice dishes that
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are you know room temperature but when i
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see a rice-based side dish I don't
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be cold I don't want to eat cold rice
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their period no matter what is in it and
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you know same thing for things like
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potato salad can be cold which is fine
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but depending on and what if they make a
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side dish it looks like it's like roast
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potatoes I don't want room temperature
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roast potatoes who wants room
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temperature rose but never mind that
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that the potatoes were probably not good
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the second I came out of the oven but
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certainly I / sitting on a little
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containers doing in a little steamy you
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know Dagobah pit inside there you don't
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let those potatoes and and in the
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embargoes totally right about the they
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taste weirder than you think cuz they're
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not you can't categorize them that's why
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I very often the most most pertinent
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question at any WT lunch table is what
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is the side dish like you can't
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categorize I can say it's green beans
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it's potato salad it's corn it's like
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like sometimes it's a puzzle just to say
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forget about giving a name to this thing
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let's just take for granted this has no
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name can you identify the constituent
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ingredients one there's a green thing
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there's a white thing as a yellow thing
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everyone what do you think the other
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thing is there's a squash is the potato
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is it onion you have to put it in your
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mouth and you're like I'm still not sure
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yeah because it's covered in some weird
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liquid or something I seem to recall on
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it was like chopped up celery and then
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like cubes of cucumber and like onions
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with like a green sprinkly stuff on it
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and then like a cream-based dress it's
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like method you're just making stuff up
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like not that's not anything I don't
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know I don't know what that's supposed
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to be uh and yeah like it's irony I
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never know what they're gonna taste like
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I can't predict which ones i'm going to
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even be able to tolerate but it's
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usually a lot of them as one fork full
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and then it's like never mind that's why
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you save snacks by the way pro tip
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that's why in the morning when they have
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the good danishes and stuff find a way
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to successfully save those in your
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backpack that without them destroying
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all your stuff like pee supper or
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something put this next in your purse I
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don't but what I do is I say bananas
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because they are I don't have a
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container like that but I would love to
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be able to save donuts or danishes
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because those are good right instead
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what I end up saving our bananas because
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they come with their own rap
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and you can put them in your backpack in
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in general just don't forget they're in
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there if you take a banana and save it
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so you have desperation food at lunch do
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not forget that bananas in there because
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if you leave it for a few days at the
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bottom of your backpack that your slide
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in your macbook and out of its a bad
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scene oh my god never has never happened
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to me but I'm very conscious of it you
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know I'm a little sad that uh while it
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did I wasn't able to go to this place
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last year because it shut down i think
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in 2015 but there what was the name of
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that a witchcraft i think it was it i
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mean the thing is it's a chain you can
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get them all over the place but just not
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there anymore yeah there was a really
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good witch craft that was right around
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the corner that i liked i would
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typically go and meet like a buddy from
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apple or someone else i was local at
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wichcraft one of the days during lunch
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there's also a burger place that have
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been to a couple times god I'm drawing a
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blank the name of it there's a couple of
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them that are close to moscone again
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they're obviously a chain and so I'm
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sure they exist other places too but
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there's some sort of burger place super
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duper that is right down the road from
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moscone that's that's very good as well
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I was think of Dave meaning when I see
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it like hey it's that backup burger
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backup burger super duper the backup
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program oh oh I get it I get it I get
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I'm an idiot I got it I think I took a
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picture of that sign to send him last on
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yeah so yeah so anyway so I'm kind of
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bummed that I may not have the chance to
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eat any of those places when like I said
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witchcraft had already shut down which I
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don't get because was so tasty but
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anyway but yeah I I typically eat the
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lunches I think I'm in the same boat as
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Marco in that I do go out from time to
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time but I do generally eat the lunches
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probably three days out of five and and
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I don't find myself deeply offended by
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them I would not say they're good I
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would not say they're great but I would
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not necessarily say they're actively bad
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they're just they just kind of exists
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what is it what do they say about the
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mac mini like it's it's a product in our
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lineup this is a lunch that is in
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moscone I'm with you Casey I was very
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happy with that like I will i know i
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would say very happy that i was
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consistently satisfied by them like and
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that was one thing they had wasn't they
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had this is what you need if you're
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going to be in the business of mass
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lunch what you're getting what you need
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is consistency and and like minimum
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acceptability and i think they delivered
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they they were never great but I'd never
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had one where i should like oh this is
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it was always fine often weird but
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always fought I didn't know you as you
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both had such such a high opinion of
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this because well it's not a forever in
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WC together again if we ever have
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lunches calor again I don't interrogate
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you in real time to say that thing that
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you read let us discuss it in detail
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right now because my opinion of is it
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like i think they are pretty consistent
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like they were consistently below
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average for me like none of I did there
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were no highlights I can think of that
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one time they had the really good lunch
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I can't think of that at all they were
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always below average images question of
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how low like none of them none of them
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gave me food poisoning so I'm not gonna
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say they're like you know super toilet
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that's good yeah that's a high bar well
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I'm pretty sure we found our live venue
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for our next I was at house they like if
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ever there was a purpose for periscope
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forever there was a purpose for
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periscope it's that moment when when
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we're all together and we're discussing
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how bad the wEDC lunches are trying to
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guess what the side dishes right yeah
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exactly so it's an it's a new spin-off
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podcast guess the side dish what is this
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right like everyone's talking about like
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underscores telling us like about so
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about all the limitations of all the new
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API is that he has already found and
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wherever i'll figure out what the heck
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this side dishes that were east so true
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that whatever if we ever figure it out
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and identified the ingredients then we
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have to come up with a name for it yeah
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but this is actually this this has legs
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we should run with this but now in true
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San Franciscan style they just serve the
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minimum viable lunch and that's what you
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