00:00:00 ◼ ► we probably should record it last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/0">TS</a>]
00:00:02 ◼ ► but I had stuff so and so here we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2">TS</a>]
00:00:04 ◼ ► one week later after you and I saw each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► other in cupertino for a mysterious I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6">TS</a>]
00:00:09 ◼ ► think it was billed to me as a Mac round [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/9">TS</a>]
00:00:11 ◼ ► table how was it built to you in advance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/11">TS</a>]
00:00:14 ◼ ► of our meeting last week yeah but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/14">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► feature the mac or whatever yeah so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/17">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► went into it with a 50 50 50 in my head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/23">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► whether this was going to be that's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/29">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► I knew was going to be about the mac i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/32">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► was going to be a roundtable discussion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/33">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► handful of members of the media um and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/37">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► went into it thinking well this has got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/43">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► to be about the mac pro because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/45">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► it's not an event it's certain of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/48">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► opposite of events very small run its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/51">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► something about the mac and not address [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/57">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► the elephant in a room that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/58">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► thousand and some day old mac pro so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/60">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► went into it thinking fifty-fifty this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/64">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► is either going to be good news about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/65">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► the mac pro or bad news about the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/66">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► pro like it right we're done with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/68">TS</a>]
00:01:10 ◼ ► mac pro or we're not done with the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/70">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► pro but we can't show it yet and here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/73">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► why well what were you thinking yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/75">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► probably you're smarter than me I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/79">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► know I didn't I didn't really connect it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/81">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► directly to the mac pro although in you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/85">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► reasonable to do that I mean I guess I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/89">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► did a little bit you know obviously the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/93">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► mac pro is sort of the elephant in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/94">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► room and a lot of ways for Apple and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/95">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► mac in the sweep of the mac universe but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/98">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► definitely an opportunity to say um you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/104">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► thinking about about the mac but i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/110">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► at all as you probably picked up on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/111">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► was very odd because you know very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/114">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► rarely as a brain knows does Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/116">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► actually say hey we're going to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/118">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► about future things you know so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/119">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► aspect of it was confusing to me and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/123">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► only my only inkling about that was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/124">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► oh they need to set something up you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/127">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► know right uh well my thinking was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/129">TS</a>]
00:02:14 ◼ ► could be that that would that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/134">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► very similar to how they would announce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/136">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► the end of life of the mac pro if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/137">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► had been their decision that they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/140">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► going to hold an product announcement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/142">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► event for a product its end of life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/146">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► right and I feel like even if the answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/147">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► was let's just make pro quality imax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/152">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► when they unveil them on stage they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/156">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► not going to want to sully that on stage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/160">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► by saying oh and remember the mac pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/162">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► that's we don't need that anymore right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/164">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► that that they would want to break it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/167">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► a non keynote type scenario whether it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/169">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► you know somebody in particular gets an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/174">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► exclusive or a handful of people getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/177">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► exclusive and get a chance to ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/179">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► questions about it I think it would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/180">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► been very similar if that had been their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/182">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► decision and and I think that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/184">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► obviously the reason why they did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/186">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► know that wasn't the news the news in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/189">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► fact is that they are hard at work on an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/190">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► all new mac pro but because they're so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/192">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► far away from shipping it which we we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/196">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► can get into next that they felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/199">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► they had to say something they had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/205">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► they could not just wait and they wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/207">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► to I think combined with the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/209">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► they wanted to release speed bumps or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/211">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► price drops whatever you want to call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/214">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► what it is they've done with the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/216">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► mac pro last week where they at the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/219">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► price levels they've they've gone from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/222">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► you know the entry level is no longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/224">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► for core at six core and the mid-level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/225">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► one is no longer six core it's eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/228">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► core or something like that if that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/229">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► all they did is just update the store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/232">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► and not say anything about the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/234">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► all right people would have lost their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/236">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► lost their damn minds rightly so people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/239">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► would have lost their minds rightly so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/241">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► because it wouldn't have made any sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/243">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► that at that Apple was pretending that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/245">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► this was normal right it's one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/247">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► scenarios where context free you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/250">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► update would have caused many many more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/254">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► problems than it you know solved I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/257">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► is the word right yeah and I I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/259">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► that that's unusual an unusual position [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/263">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► strongly enough about you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/267">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► future of a particular category for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/270">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► to set it up or tee it up in that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/273">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► because a lot of times they just sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/275">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► take their lumps yeah you know they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/276">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► just they'll just do it and people will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/278">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► misconstrue it or whatever and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/280">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► they'll come out with the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/282">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► they would they were teeing up and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/283">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► either people will like it at they won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/285">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► you know but in this case I guess they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/287">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► felt strongly enough about how long it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/289">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► had been or how you know how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/291">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► culpability they felt I guess you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/294">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► in how the thing played out that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/297">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► felt that they needed to contextualize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/299">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► it I feel like a week later I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/302">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► it there is no simple answer I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/309">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► part of it in terms of you know I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/313">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► you you and you asked the question and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/317">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► you preface it with I don't want to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/321">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► question was when the hell's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/327">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► means that somebody's about to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/329">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► personal right when did you guys realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/330">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► you've done fucked up I mean that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/332">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► everybody doesn't have it in top of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/339">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► minds it was it was nine of us at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/340">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► table it was it was representing Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/342">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► was Phil Schiller Craig federighi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/344">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► talking software and John turness ter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/348">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► and us who was a vice president of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/352">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► hardware and and as it was described to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/354">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► us at the beginning of the meeting on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/357">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► his plate our iPad pro and Mac Pro and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/358">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► maybe macbook pro I forget what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/363">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► said they did but but I know iPad pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/366">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► and a couple of others and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/369">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► honestly it was you know had very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/370">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► things to say at the round table but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/374">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► just talking to a couple of other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/376">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► that Apple in the last week after this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/378">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► came out it sounds to me like he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/379">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► turness is a real up-and-comer at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/382">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► company like I don't think it's the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/383">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► time that we are going to hear from him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/385">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► in a some sort of you know publicity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/387">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► facing right of event it seems to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/389">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► like he's a real up-and-comer and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/393">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► fact that he's been tasked with all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/396">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► right you're right going to run point on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/397">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► is a sign of that and I think a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/400">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► sign I think people people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/402">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► hoping that this Mac Pro is everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/404">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► Mac Pro users have been hoping for I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/406">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► think the fact that John turness is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/408">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► charge of it is a very good sign and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/410">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► then on the press side it was me and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/413">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► you know Nina freed who was recently a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/416">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► recode but is now at a new site called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/421">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► axios for those of you who don't follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/423">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► the comings and goings of the press very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/425">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► closely John Pat's Kowski also recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/427">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► have recode but now at BuzzFeed and last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/432">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► but not least lance ulanoff who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/437">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► there from mashable so former recode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/440">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► writers were well represented nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/442">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► from recode was there at the moment it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/445">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► was a large category percentage wise yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/447">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► the it of these before he present 40 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/451">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► resented the press attendees were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/454">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► formerly of recode and then last but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/456">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► least or maybe possibly least was was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/457">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► Bill Evans from Apple PR was at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/460">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► table but it's his Apple pr's wanti was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/462">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► more or less there to play defense and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/465">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► and pretty much just run the clock and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/467">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► didn't ready mmm so I I I thought that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/468">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► the we all tried to ask I i would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/480">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► everybody except patch kowski who only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/484">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► popped piped in at the end with a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/486">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► well time question about the mac mini [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/487">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► everybody tried to ask a when did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/489">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► guys figure out that you had a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/493">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► problem on your hands with the design of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/495">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► the 2013 trashcan mac and be when did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/496">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► you guys start on this project of a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/500">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► mac you know rethought from the ground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/505">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► up mac pro em and apple does not like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/507">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► talk about timelines I mean that's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/510">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► mean they don't like to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/513">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► future stuff they don't like to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/514">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► about all sorts of things but they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/515">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► not like to talk about when in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/516">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► they made decisions and how long things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/519">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► took it is more than almost more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/521">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► anything else they don't like to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/524">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► once a design of an erotic comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/527">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► they will talk of you know Johnny I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/529">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► will talk at length openly and honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/531">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► narrated videos about why something is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/534">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► the way it is um they won't tell you in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/536">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► advance but once it's out they'll say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/539">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► here's why we have these gently sloped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/541">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► corners here or or whatever but in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/543">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► of how long they've been working on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/546">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► blank they just it is that's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/548">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► holiest of Holies the secret of Secrets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/552">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► and they you know I think they view that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/554">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► as their as as part of their IP almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/557">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► because part of their process and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/560">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► they view that those timelines and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/562">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► how long it takes things to get things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/565">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► right or you know what abortive attempts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/566">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► they had at a particular thing or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/569">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► whatever before they settled on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/571">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► right path they view that all is like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/573">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► protected category of information that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/574">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► about their process that's part of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/577">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► secret their special sauce right um and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/579">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► so but there were little dribs and drabs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/582">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► that you going over it especially after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/586">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► the you know writing my piece all night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/589">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► long and then and then reading everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/592">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► else is the next day and then Gavin a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/596">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► day to sort of breathe and then rethink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/597">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► it all and look at the transcript again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/599">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► um I think that the most telling remark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/601">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► was federighi saying that they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/607">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► painted themselves into a thermal corner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/610">TS</a>]
00:10:12 ◼ ► and and and combined with his saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/612">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► that they went through like the state's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/616">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► you know is it said in a jovial fashion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/618">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► and to get a laugh that they went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/620">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► through the stages of grief or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/621">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► like that right on which to me reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/622">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► between the lines says that they did try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/626">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► to update the mac pro at least several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/628">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► times in in between 2013 and the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/632">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► where they said okay we got to give up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/637">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► on this and it seemed like by ant you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/638">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► know by trying to answer customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/642">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► requests for what they wanted from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/644">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► newer mac pro it was mostly about more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/646">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► powerful GPUs but more powerful GPUs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/650">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► threw off the thermal balance of the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/653">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► pro as we know it mm-hmm and that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/655">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► were you know and so I who knows I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/658">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► guessing at least at least two years was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/661">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► some degree trying to update and get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/667">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► more powerful GPUs into that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/669">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► configuration and at some point they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/672">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► gave up mm-hmm what do you what was your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/674">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► take on that yeah i mean i mean that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/677">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► two different questions right the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/682">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► timeline is one question you know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/683">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► how long do you think it took them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/685">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► then the other question is did they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/687">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► actually make attempts at it or did they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/689">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► go hey you know we really there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/692">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► nothing really we can do here because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/694">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► they just knew from all of the from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/696">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► building of the thing in the first place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/698">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► they built it specifically to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/699">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► advantage of this split or balanced GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/701">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► scenario and you know shoving one hot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/705">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► GPU and it was never going to work I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/709">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► don't know you know I don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/711">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► much modeling or prototyping or theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/712">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► you know work they did on saying what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/715">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► we jammed in nvidia 1080 yet you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/718">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► in here TI in here and and said can we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/721">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► get this to run in here you know in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/725">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► shell with proper thermal properties or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/727">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► whatever I don't know how far along that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/730">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► road they went or did they just say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/731">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► this is not the purpose we built it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/734">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► it all so can we get two GPUs in here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/735">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► that will work together in such a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/738">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► where it would provide a significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/740">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► value to our customers and then they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/742">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► they said no you know all we can do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/745">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► give it a bump so that people on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/747">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► current gen can just roll with it until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/749">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► we get out what's due um I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/752">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► you know I think it's it's hard it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/755">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► harder for me to say that they went in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/760">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► and built whole new units in this case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/762">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► then if they were working on a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/766">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► product which they wouldn't undoubtedly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/767">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► do you know they'll build fully full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/769">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► till all produced you know devices if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/772">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► they feel that they need to to figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/775">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► out whether it works or not when they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/777">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► creating a new product on something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/779">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► this I guess maybe I guess maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/781">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► did they would you know I have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/783">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► information I'm just trying to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/785">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► divine from what I know about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/787">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► process that they go through but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/788">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► possibility one thing we don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/791">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► speculate on I mean this is just a fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/794">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► it's obvious just by studying the device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/796">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► listening to the way Apple described it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/800">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► in 2013 when it when it was announced is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/802">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► that the trashcan mac pro from 2013 was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/805">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► a bet on multi-threaded GPUs as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/810">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► future of GPU power and and they had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/814">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► software a story to tell about it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/818">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► think you know without getting too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/820">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► complicated i think it was mostly sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/822">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► of an open CL type thing but in the mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/824">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► time in years since apple has sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/827">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► stepped away from open CL and i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/829">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► the bigger story isn't even really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/832">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► Apple's own decisions on software but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/835">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► more just where did the industry go and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/838">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► in the pro market it's not so dependent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/841">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► on or defined by Apple in terms of how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/844">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► should you make software for the mac pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/848">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► but more this is how industry standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/850">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► powerful GPU hogging apps are written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/853">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► you know things like video editing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/858">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► 3d which a lot of it is cross-platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/861">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► probably most of it is cross-platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/864">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► and it's the way that that's gone in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/866">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► four years since we first saw this mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/871">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► pro it's gotten ever more dependent on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/874">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► super powerful single GPUs which is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/876">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► the opposite of where the mac pro and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/882">TS</a>]
00:14:44 ◼ ► think in theory in theory the mac pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/884">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► could have been the future of pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/887">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► computing the sort of throwing lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/889">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► GPU cores and having software written to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/892">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► take advantage of that but that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/895">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► not where the industry went and with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/898">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► software that is ever more dependent on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/900">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► just single threaded GPU performance the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/902">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► mac pro's just did it just wasn't apt at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/906">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► all you know what i keep going back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/910">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► is this so I you know I grew up building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/913">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► computers i guess a lot of lot of folks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/918">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► who are probably listen to this did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/919">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► know or group at least very interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/921">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► in how they were put together and i am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/924">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► feeling I you know my first computer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/928">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► like an Amiga that I pieced together out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/929">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► from a friend's stores of garbage cause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/934">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► his dad worked for a pacific bell and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/938">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► outwards from there to pcs and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/941">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► x86 machines and you know on on through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/943">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► the windows trainer das train and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/947">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► windows train and all that simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/949">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► because I it was the thing that I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/951">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► afford and I could put together myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/953">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► somewhere long lane along the line there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/955">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► I developed like this parallel track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/958">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► with starting with the performer line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/959">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► and going you know up through there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/962">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► where I always had a Mac in the house as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/965">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► well and then my mom would use it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/967">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► would use it for graphic design and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/969">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► eventually photoshop stuff once they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/971">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► became more powerful and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/972">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► variety of other things but i always had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/976">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► like this parallel track of computing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/978">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► but i spent the majority of my time on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/980">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► pcs simply because they were great for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/982">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► gaming and i was just a you know massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/984">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► gamer and you know still him to a degree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/987">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► but the platform itself was obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/989">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► you know very much pushed forward by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/992">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► industries that were responsible for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/996">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► pushing certain components of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/999">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► computer you know the cpu or the GPU or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► whatever forward depending on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► needs their specific needs obviously you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► know data storage is very much like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► enterprise thing and you know so on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► so forth but the the GPU and cpu were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► pushed very hard for a lot of years by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1017">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► gaming and still are you know i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► obviously GP user where they are because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► of gamers they're not there because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► you know true academics that some tina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► howe stage do need those but only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► because it was there it was sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► a chicken egg thing and they it's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► academics use heavily you know GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► centric computing platforms and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► now because they can and they're the but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► the gps are there because the gamers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► wanted them and the game companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► pushed them hard i mean i remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► playing games that they said hey this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► game looks this good this year but it'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► look even better next year right we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► already programmed in you know the Lord [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► the higher high resolution textures and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► so on and so forth that we in better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► physics engines that we know will only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► will only support next year I was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► constant thing I never much in forward I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► was never much of a gamer but I when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► was you know 20 years ago I was much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► closer to a gamer than I am now and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► remember the even on the Mac that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1077">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► true that uh mm-hmm you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► marathon was the big game that's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► the right yeah bungee the prick you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► bungees wasn't their first game but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► was the first real smash hit and sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► a predecessor to what's the game on xbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► halo halo marathon was huge and and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► was networked so we could play it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► against each other yeah love that game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► you had to be on a local talk network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► though you couldn't this is how old I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► you could play over the Internet I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► know is that so yeah we played we played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► that and then we played doom locally and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► do dickham 3d all this stuff Mimi I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► you get that and that's what drove it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► you know what was that's what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► amazing what was amazing though is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► we'd get a new computer at the student [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► newspaper would you know get a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► quadra or something and all of a sudden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► marathon ran way better and it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► whoa I remember to a lot of times to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► was framerate right like you could yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► and and certain games had settings where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► you could optimize for frame rate or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1137">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► optimized for graphics but you could get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► the girl you could get the good graphics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► but you wouldn't get a great frame rate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► and then all of a sudden you get a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► computer and you get it all um every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► night in the right dark forces and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► everything was all smooth all of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► sudden right now right yeah yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► right everything right that's what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► mean that's definitely you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► money comes from gamers that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► what's driving the industry to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► riping the billions of dollars into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► research into ever more powerful GPUs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► and then like you said like things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► academics who are really just running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► math just math or data analysis it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► really aren't even pushing pixels to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► screen they're literally just chewing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► quote-unquote big data but you can do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► where the algorithms run faster on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► GPU than a cpu and they're taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► advantage of technology that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► developed for games and and the mac pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► just was it just was not where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► industry was headed and no matter i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► you know gamer ever looked at the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► pro and thought oh this is interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1195">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► and heck they they barely looked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1197">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► the previous generation of Mac Pro's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► that way because they knew that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► would be upgrading their GPU within six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► to nine months to 12 months right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► that they would be pushing you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► looking for that and they didn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► the confidence that AMD and NVIDIA would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► consistently release that highest you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► know highest performance graphics card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► for the the mac pro in that in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► original configuration much less the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► one obviously where Apple's the one who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► controls that yeah so what occurs to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► and looking at this scenario and I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► it's not just in last week but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► having learned now what we now know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► think it's almost certain is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► there's at least a little bit of hubris [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► here in the design of the 2013 Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► that I think is fueled by the iphone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► ipad where with the iPhone Apple the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► iphone market in and of itself is so big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► and so lucrative and that Apple can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► define the computer architecture of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1257">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► iphone and can define the api's for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► creating software for it and runs the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► app store and can you know it it not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► really adhere to you know define which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► api's you use but sort of make sure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► your software is is you know it within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► the lines of how they want software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► written um but primarily just by being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► able to define the hardware they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► define if you want your software to run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► well you're going to have to do it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► way we envision you doing it whether you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► know it's not even so much the app store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► forget the app store part it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► you've got to take advantage of the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► the iphone is architected and the iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► is so big that developers will do it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► mean literally they even you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► this is less of a big deal today or eat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► more easily overlooked because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► always been the case but in the early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► years of the iphone it was a big deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► where an awful lot of developers were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1317">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► like well i want we want our software on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► the iphone we're buying their first max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► ever because you had to run xcode to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► write you still have to run xcode to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► write iphone software and xcode only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► runs on a mac and so it was literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► Alton all new machine just to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► whereas in the pro high performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► computing industry apple doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► that sort of dominant role they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► redefine or not it maybe not redefine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► it's too strong a word but they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► steer they couldn't push the industry to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► switch to a multi-threaded GPU model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► when everybody else you know more or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► less what Apple needed to do was be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► humble about it and go with the flow of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► the industry which is big honkin single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► GPUs mmhmm yeah I mean there's two so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► twice if he was twice and don't don't at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► me or whatever but I think twice during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► the interview they they said something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1374">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► about you know we want to make sure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1376">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► whatever we do is new and innovative and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► I looked at I thought about that and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► was thinking about that during you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► when they said it because they said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► again when they said it again I kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► my ears kind of perked up you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► because I think that that is there's two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► ways to take that statement you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► take that statement and say hey I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► doing something new and innovative and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► you can you could just take it at face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► value and go you know what great I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► glad someone is right I'm glad somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► cares enough to really push and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► sure that they're not obeying accepted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► norms without questioning them that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► are truly pushing boundaries and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► questioning all of the underpinnings of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► computing and making sure that the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► things are done is actually the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► way and the way they should be done all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► of that right and you know you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► extrapolate keep you can keep going from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:49 ◼ ► there all of the things that you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1429">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► like to say to interpret that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► best light possible and then there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► another way to take it which is we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1436">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► so interested in doing something new and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► innovative that we overlook at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► obvious hurdles because we are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► addicted to the slash-and-burn of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► know obeying our own recognizance right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► or relying on our own recognizance to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► chart the course of computing because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► you go hey every phone let's apply this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► to existing you know what supplies to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► framework of the iphone you look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► iphone you go hey if you just said look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► guys you can do every other thing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► keyboards are great you know keyboards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► are fantastic they're fun they work fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► you know thumbs press keys makes total [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► sense right week work since we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► cavemen we've been manipulating things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► with our opposable thumbs why stop now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► mean there's plenty of really great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► arguments that a lot of people made to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► themselves we're right and that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► there was a lot of blowback against the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► no physical keyboard thing so Apple in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► that moment you know maybe this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1497">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► Steve's genius of saying no this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► right way or maybe this is a collective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► genius which is more likely where Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► acts is the editor for a lot of people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► flurry of ideas yeah I think we can make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► this work and you know it's so so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► simpler less moving parts and blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► blah tons of arguments on the other side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► right and they made a decision to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► slice out a very well-established [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► charted course of having that physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► keyboard that was not necessarily evil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► right there's nothing bad about it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► just did they saw pathways that opened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► up for themselves if they got rid of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► like man then we can manipulate the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► whole screen the keyboard can go away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► when you don't need it you know blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► blah blah right you know all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► arguments that we all know so well but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► you look at that and it worked out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► incredibly well for them and in fact not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► only was it did it work out well for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► them it was the right thing to do that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► why our phones look the same now right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► but in this case I think they looked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► the problem and said hey this is the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► it could go this parallel GPU that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1557">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► splits tasks it can run lower power when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► it needs to you know it's very you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► power conscious which is great for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► environment etc etc and there's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► no reason that needs to be blowing all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► this air all over the place all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► and collecting all this unseemly dust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► and why has nobody ever thought of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► and they got so excited about the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► that they could do this thing that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► didn't stop and ask themselves well is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► the simpler straighter you know more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► common path is it a common path for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► reason like do we use metal because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► metal is good you know or do we use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► strong powerful GPU because the industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► traditionally not served gaming industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► uses it and and that pushes everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► forward and we can ride that wave like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► white why paddle out of the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► right and and generate all of the force [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► on your own when you can use additive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► force on the existing current and go you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1617">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► know what this is fine these this is our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► limitation that we have to accommodate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► this graphics card now what does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► look like maybe it's a flat slab with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► almost nothing else to it that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► essentially a GPU you know or maybe its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► external GPUs or whatever but I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► think that the like the questions got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► asked and they applied roughly the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► frameworks to it that they did with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► iphone and end up with just the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► answer yeah and I don't know why that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► I'm I don't presuppose I'm dumb compared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► to all these guys they have and girls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► they have working on these problems so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► you know I don't pre supposed to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► that's just my supposition as to how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► argument went down you know and a one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► factor I guess I knew this but it got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► reiterated a few times is that the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► Mac Pro had a sort of triangular shape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► in the tube in the middle the hollow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► Center to GP and a GPS CPU and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► just that it was three things in the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1675">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► flowed through the center to cool them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1677">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► but that it was specifically designed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► that all three sides of that triangle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► would remain roughly on par with each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► other in terms of the heat that needed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► to be dissipated and it wasn't a design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► that would accommodate one of the three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► sides getting hotter than the others and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► that season again with software that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► more so now than before them this Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► Pro was distributed that in intensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► graphics intensive software today is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► about overloading a single GPU with as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► much performance as you can get and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► just you know so even using this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► configuration to run software that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► meant to run single threaded on a GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► it's just not conducive to that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► you can't let one of the GPS get hotter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► than another and it probably plays into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► the fact that the mac pro as we know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► almost like like a European sports car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1735">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► that they they're not the most rugged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► machines are durable machines in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► of reliability over the years that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► people who've been pushing these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► machines there's a lot of people who had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► you know they seemingly anecdotally at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► least after going to get GPUs replaced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► pretty frequently mmm primarily from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► overheating I mean that's the only way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► really a computer part wears out or it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► part like a GPU could wear out all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► let me take a break and we'll come back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► to this and but let me first thank our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► first sponsor of this show circle from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► Disney what is Circle Circle from Disney [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► is a beautiful little device designed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► for families to manage content and time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► online for all the devices in your home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► it pairs with just about any Wi-Fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► router and it recognizes every device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► connected to it tablets PCs smartphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► even Chromebooks anything that connects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► to the Wi-Fi in your house it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► recognize it and then parents can set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1795">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► profiles for each member of the family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1797">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► and tailor the individual preferences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► for each one it's very easy to set up it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► is exactly what you would think of from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► something from Disney it is not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► setting up something from Cisco where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► you need a network engineering degree it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► is very much what you would think Disney [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► would design for non network engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► moms and dads you just download the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► choose your network it's that simple you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► go from there and just tap things on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► app what kind of things did let you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► it lets you filter content customize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► what's available and you can set time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► limits and you can set the time limits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► minecraft Facebook Netflix and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► snapchat kids staying up late on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► tablet you can set a bedtime for each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► kid and their devices families can also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► see how they spend their time online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► with their insight to feature it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► really great Disney super stoked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► this they've just number a couple of new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► things they just launched a new thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1856">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► about a month ago it's called circle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► connections it lets you connect app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► services and devices like friend of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► show automatic you know the car dinkus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► well now you can hook that up and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► share stuff like that through the circle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► Alexa ifttt chore monster and others you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► can all hook up to your circle it's sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► of turning into a platform Disney is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► very excited about this recently Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► CFO Luca maestri was held a meeting with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► the Italian press at the Italian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► consulate in New York City and he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► talking about how his family uses Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► products and devices and he specifically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► mentioned circle with Disney something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► that his family uses to manage his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► family's devices i will put a link to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► this in the show notes i think you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► going to need to translate it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► italian but that's okay i'm sure most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► people listen to the show speak fluent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► Italian but that's a pretty cool story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► i'm pretty you don't really hear disney [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► or apple see c-level executives talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► up products from other companies all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► that often so anyway very exciting stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► where do you go to find out more easy go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► to meet circle m eet circle calm and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► remember this code the talk show and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► will get free shipping and ten dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► off your circle with disney device it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► a ninety nine dollar product 89 bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► with the talk show code and circle go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► which is their service for mobile like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► phone like cellular service is nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► dollars and ninety-five cents a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► for up to 10 devices ios-only but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► probably not a little problem for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► listeners of the talk show so my thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► to Disney meet circle dot com code the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► talk show great product so timeline wise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► more spectators here's my take my take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► is that in the 20 I mean because one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1974">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► thing a couple people have observed is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► it's not like this is the first Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► that went a long time between updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► the Mac Pro had sort of been on a longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► than one year update schedule for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► while so the fact that there wasn't an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► update in 2014 I don't think struck I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► don't think it really surprised anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► right my guess is sometime around 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► 15 2016 is when an update certainly by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► 2016 it was everybody was talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► and certainly Apple was aware of it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► think I don't know this I don't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► sort of in you know super sources inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► but i think and i don't i don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► anybody surprised by this i I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► as as the round 2015 2016 as it became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► more obvious that the design of the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► pro was problematic I think there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► sense within Apple that maybe that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► okay and maybe macbook pros combined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► with ever more powerful imax it might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► the way future to satisfy the Pro users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► of the Mac market mm-hmm and I think and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► I think this came up at our interview [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► last week and I think that they sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► emphasized just what we want a war soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► as be what would just what a large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► percentage of their what they define as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► Pro users are using macbook pros and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► imacs and they even mentioned this end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► if anything this might have been the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► most surprising part of the meeting is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► where they mentioned specifically that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► they have new imacs in the pipeline that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► are coming slated for some time this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► year that are including configurations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► that are that are geared towards pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► customers I think that what happened is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► that it probably at a very high level I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► mean I'm not naming names I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► but I think at a pretty high level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► within the company they talk themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► into believing that the imac including [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2096">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► the ever better imax combined with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► macbook pros could cover everything they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► needed to cover and i think at some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► point recently let's say within the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► six months or so maybe a little more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► they realize no that's that the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► percent of mac users who can't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► satisfied by an imac need up a real pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► yeah I mean I think you're I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► you're probably right if it sounds that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► sounds reasonable I I definitely think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► there was that moment which they alluded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► to because they said but we realized we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► needed more that they did feel that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► larger and larger segment of the pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► market was being served by the 5k screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► and computer slept in the back and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► know I certainly it's what I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2157">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► using for a long time and had a mac pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2158">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► in years and I only had one briefly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► honestly a lot of the times that I ran [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► mac pro level machines on you know with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► OS 10 running on them I ran hackintosh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► is for that GPU reason yeah you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► Hagin touches are becoming a much more I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► don't doubt that Apple sees this all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► right you know the Diagnostics probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► tell them you know general opt-in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► Diagnostics probably tell them if not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► pulling the community but there are an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► increasing number of people running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► hackintosh a--'s which are you know pc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► components that have OS 10 driver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► support or have you know some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► crib together driver support and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► are they're being put together and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► you boot OS 10 on them either with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► use of a bootloader piece of software or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► piece of hardware that allows you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► boot OS 10 fulo ascendant is thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► that you're running a mac and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► advantage that offers is of course you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► can build according to your precise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► power needs perhaps even more powerful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2216">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► than is currently on the market which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► a situation we're in right now with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► mac pro and then of course you can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► know you can run windows on a mac but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► now you can run windows on a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► powerful mac that can then run very high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► performance games or other applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► and so you you'll see people like um who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► was it the recently wrote out a fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► solid you know kind of what it's like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► build a hackintosh right now just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► recently it was was it my grundle I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► really think it was I think Mike was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► mentioning was talking about running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► agata somebody else just wrote a piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► that was traded around a lot I mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► know many folks have over the years they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► build uh people graphics software for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► and it's not due to my brains blanking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► I'll turn get back to it if I can but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► the the gist of it is is like best of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► both worlds scenario where they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► love OS 10 and they just they should are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2275">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► using windows they'd use it when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2277">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► they need to to to make it through you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► know or to run software that only runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► on Windows AKA you know as Class A games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► that just don't ship on multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► platforms although steam is making that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► better to a degree but the OS 10 is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► you know the beautiful experience and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► all that and they can build this really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► custom experience underneath it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► think that that more people being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► willing to consider a hackintosh and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► that the community really looking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► those builders to try and tell them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► exactly what parts to buy and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► exactly how to build in all of that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► think that really speaks to this desire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► underneath it not just more powerful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► more with a capital P but also more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► customizable truly modular you're right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► the truly modular experience that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► haven't had in in many years so even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► though they appreciate the design and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2337">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► the thoughtfulness that went into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► mac pro as it currently exists I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► many people feel that those choices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► being made for them stands out as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► even more irritating decision because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► the segments that they're going after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► like how many I Mac users I mean well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► scratch that they're plenty it like Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► Mac Apple users love to complain because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► they're so attuned to detail right the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► company has taught them to be picky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► about their stuff that's why they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► that's the base reason that the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► community the Apple community is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► picky about stuff because they've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► trained to care right by a company that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► ostensibly cares so but scratching that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► did setting that aside the average Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► user the eighty percent let's call it of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► the mac users out there who are like hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► I just wanna I mean a big computer for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► my desk and I love apple stuff what do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► get that's not a portable oh we buy an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► the vast majority of those are not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► crazy about like oh I can't you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2397">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► change this particular chipset right or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► whatever like I can't get this network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► card instead of this network card or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► whatever but the segment that they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► it to was the one that was going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► the most allergic to it in the long run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► and like that is another thing that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► kind of weird to me why you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► wonder if there was I mean I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► there was an advocate inside saying this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► is great but it actually something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► the Mac Pro imagine if that was the imac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► now these days i think the imac is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► right choice people just buy one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► and they're done nobody buys you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► nobody wants to buy separate monitors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► they do it because they have to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► like the average person so I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► imac is the right configuration I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► trying to say the mac pro is right for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► the normal normal person but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► segment of the market would have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► much more receptive and and welcoming I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► think of a thing where it's like don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► worry about it we thought it all out all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► right we got we've got the perfect sweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► capsule for you that's gonna do amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2456">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► things performance wise totally enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► for you plot this on your desk and plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► it in and enjoy and that segment i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► is much more receptive and welcoming of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► that whereas the pro segment is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► opposite the first thing they do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► refresh that i fix it basically see how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► things tear down and they want to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► what's in there and all of added they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► want to be informed consumers and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► think that that leads itself to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► desire to have choice and all that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► i don't know it's just the way i see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► that they just sort of pitched it to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► wrong people yeah i think that there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► there's a continuum of everything but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► there's a continuum of people's price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► sensitivity but i think that at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► certain end if you talk about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► college age students who want a mac for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► gaming and what type or want a computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► that can dual boot it but use a mac but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► have powerful GPU for gaming are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► to more willing to spend the time to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2515">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► the hackintosh and to put up with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► incompatibilities and the worries about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► applying software updates and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► maybe wait until somebody else decides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► this graphics card is going to work with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► the latest version of Sierra and all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► that e versus the professional market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► where price isn't really the issue it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► there they're begging Apple to charge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► them a lot of money for a computer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► part of what they're willing to spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► money for is that it just works factor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► of getting a real knack and and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► hacking tag like I can see why the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► hackintosh root is more popular than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► growing unpopularity given the mac pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► stagnation but I think it's a large part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► of that I mean and clearly like I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► it's a continuum and there's obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► professional users there certainly are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► some who are doing it but I think for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► the most part of a real professional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► user who might be willing to spend you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► know ten thousand dollars or fifteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► thousand dollars on a workstation isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► going to do it with the unsupported [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2576">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► drivers and an unsupported configuration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► like they're going they're the type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► people who are like if I if I can't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► hardware from Apple that meets my needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► I'd rather switch to windows and get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► supported configuration mm-hmm where's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► the hobby that's totally right the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► definition been self-supporting they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► don't need support they are their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► support yeah and whatever configuration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► they're coming up with they're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► live essentially live tech support on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► from the community that they're in of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► those similar people that build those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► things hey is anybody ever come across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► this problem you know I did it a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► of times and I was building hackintosh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► Azure it's like you know cuz I was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► too poor to own a really powerful mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► and so I would just build out of pc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► parts and then run OS 10 on it and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► know I'm sure Apple's cringing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► whatever but you know is what I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► afford I think a lot of people start out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► that way you know those price sensitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► people but there are also you know sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► of hacker friendly or whatever you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► to call it who don't mind instability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► and thinking around because they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2637">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► lust after the list and experience and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► the apple ecosystem and all of that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► i think that there's there's like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► sort of like a like an entry point for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► eventual mac pro owners right and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► either sits i know there are other entry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► points right you you go to a company and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► and all this in the company has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► corporate budget and what are you going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► to buy right you're going to get your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► mac pro you're going to be a designer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► capital d and do all your design work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► and that's great but I think there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► long tail of people out there that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► that become pros through alternative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► pathways don't have a lot of money to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► spend want to get into the ecosystem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► because they once again they love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► fact that the company prioritizes design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► and prioritizes care and all of that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► their software and they know in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► underneath it you know the hardware that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► it runs isn't perhaps as carefully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2697">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► picked and chosen as something Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► would do but they can get it to run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► right it's just a mishmash of junk but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► it sort of runs and you get it running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► and you feel good about it and you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► hooked on the ecosystem which is why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► always thought that like every once in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► while Apple will take a stab at like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► trying to shut down hackintosh projects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► and things like that and I was always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► just like let it ride I mean if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► becomes like a major component of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► your your your business being stolen I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► guess you got to take some legal and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► there's also some legal things you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► to plant because of trademarks and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► that so that you can you can have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► future court case against Samsung and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► say oh yeah we tried to protect it back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► then even with little people so I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► the legal precedent thing but it's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► just like let it ride because it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► the low simmering entry point to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► somebody who eventually once they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► the means is like yes build me an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► amazing mac please apple and I you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► powerful mac pro and i will buy it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► know now i have the means i'm addicted i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2755">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► want the power but i also want to as 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2757">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► and so on you know that's the way this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► way oh i found that the hackintosh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► article by the way it was by dan council [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► pasted in laid out 7 i'll send you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► link yeah it's a dance den council of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► real mac um you know remix software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► makes lots of great lots of great apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► this is not an ad etc but um he wrote an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► article called building a hackintosh pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► we had a little earlier back in March [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► but it's you know it's his reasoning was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► essentially they have an updated the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► pro you know I need a full-size graphics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► card for the stuff that I want to do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► it's not complicated you know it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► like anybody's angry um well I mean I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► sure spooler angry but it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► anybody's really you know thinkin Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► is is doing things that are our consumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► hostile on purpose it's just that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► are certain needs and once they have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► apple didn't glom onto those needs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► wants or sign enough importance to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► soon enough to catch themselves so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► didn't have this big gap now yeah uh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► think you know bottom line I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► really see how this well I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► someone at Apple could deny it but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► think it seems pretty clear now that at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► at some point in the last three years or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► so or maybe starting around three years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► collective eye off the ball on the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► at least on the hardware I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► software is is going fine i think it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► think they're hitting their annual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► release dates I think that they're solid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► I think they're doing enough cool new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► things that are very useful like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► the continuity stuff I use every day and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► I just think like how the hell did I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► ever go from having these links on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► iPhone and then switch to another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► computer to look at them there before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► this stuff worked some great features I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► radically you know I think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2876">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► complaint some people have about the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2877">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► is that they haven't done anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► that's like a here's the radical new way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► to use a mac I don't want that I don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► mean obviously if they came up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► something that i liked i guess i'd like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► it but I I kind of feel like they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► they've you know that's what new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► products are for right that's why the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► ipad is drank product like here's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► radical new way to do personal computing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► on a portable device I still want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► the stuff that the mac is great ad on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► the mac hardware wise though I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► it's hard to deny that they kind of took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► their eye off the ball and I think part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► of this sort of let's hit the reset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► button mindset is that reaction to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► macbook pros last fall i think was mixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► I don't think it's fair to say it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► poor reaction but I do think it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► mixed reaction and I think that took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► Apple by surprised I think Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► internally thought they had a smash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► hit on their hands and was sort of taken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► aback by the number of people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► expressed displeasure at the decisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2935">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► they made with the macbook pro and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► during our discussions schiller had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► during his opening remarks addressed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► you know in his usual way where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:08 ◼ ► wasn't quite head-on but it was clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► what do you know he mentioned him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► said that they're hard at work on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► know a next group of macbook pros that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► would address specifically address some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► of the complaints professional users had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► about the current ones mm-hmm although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► he didn't say any of things of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► those are but I would presume where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► maybe he mentioned Ram did he mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► Ram I mean one of the combines people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► have about them the current macbook pros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► is that there's still the maximum amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► of RAM you can put in them as 16 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► gigabytes and the reason it's not 32 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► gigabytes is because Apple is using I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► don't don't have to write me to tell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► low-energy RAM and on the current Intel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► chipsets if you're using the the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► low-energy battery-saving ram that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► wants to use to keep battery life good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2996">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► the maximum you can get a 16 so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► could in theory have macbook pros that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► have 32 gigabytes but it would involve a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► complete riorca texture of which intel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► chipset they're using and + to ship them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► last year they would have not been able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► to use the low-energy RAM and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► we went through this when the macbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► pros came out and the answer from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► people who are Ram starved in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► professional work who really need more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► than 16 or at least want if not needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► more than 16 gigabytes of RAM is I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► care about the low-energy I'll plug the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► goddamn thing in I I just write 32 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► gigabytes of RAM which is a completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► reasonable trade-off it is completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► reasonable for a a Mac user who gets the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► mac and loves the mac it's not like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► if you were a real mac user you'd see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► the genius of apples decision in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► regard I could totally see how there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► totally you know longtime diehard Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► users who get and love the Mac who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3056">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► willing to say I would rather get eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► hours of battery life instead of 10 if i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► bytes of ram in this machine instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► 16 totally reasonable I think the number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► of people who took that stance that took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► Apple by surprise I mean not it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► that Ram is the only issue you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► the complaint that people have about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► macbook pros but it yeah yeah well then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► so there's two things that I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► are important touch i think the touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► thing we should talk about because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► think that's a very interesting you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► mentioned ipad yeah but the other branch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► of that discussion is you mentioned how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► many people it took them by surprise you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► know how to make people to that so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► sort of begs the question like why did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► it take them by surprise you know right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► like why why did it sneak up on them so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► to speak well like I said best phrase I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► can come up with is that they took their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► eye off the ball a bit and and sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► got a little too insular I mean I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:58 ◼ ► it's often the biggest risk to Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3118">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► that they're so insular as a culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► that they they can lose sight even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► they think they're keeping track of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► community and and they certainly I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► they certainly try to but I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► they could talk themselves into just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► specifically taking their eye off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► ball of the needs of larger chunks of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► their of their users that's what I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► they took their eye off the ball on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► I think that there are so many things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► really love about the new macbook pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► that I think they I think that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► somehow got caught up loving the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► there are to love about them and lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► sight of the ways that it was falling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► short of their profession some of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► professionals needs what were you going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► to say about touch in that regard so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► things they mentioned essentially was if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► you want touch by an iPad and use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► together and we're going to work on ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► to make those work better take or think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► about ways to make those work better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3177">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► together or whatever which says to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► that they want the not want this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► the primary purpose of it but then iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► pro you know they wanted to act like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► cintiq tablet of sorts that connects to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► a mac pro or imac or whatever in a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► seamless fashion which makes a hell of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► because though the you know the pen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► tracking and things like that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► feels superior to things like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► surface studio and the even though I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► mean it's antiques quite obvious you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► know the the cintiq tablets which are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► made by Wacom are sort of like the de [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► facto industry standard you know any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► design of it that earns enough money to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► spend you know 1,500 2,000 dollars on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► is basically they're buying a pc with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► touchscreen glued to the front of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► they lay it flat if you're not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► designer you know they lay it flat then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► use the stylus directly on it therefore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► directly drawing the line on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► it was like an iPad pro before and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3236">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► better not just analogize it throw it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► backwards lens but the cintiq for many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► years ruled the roost all right from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► with designers and now I have this yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► I'm sure you do too but just because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► do happen to do a lot in apple stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► when I'm looking at pictures even in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► completely unrelated you know articles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► or bhatia looking at desks I always look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► at desks right and workspaces I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► fascinated with workspaces you know from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► machinists to the designers to anneal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► anything else I think there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► fascination with a lot of fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► things to learn about a person by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► way they handle their workspace how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► messy it is or how clean it is neither [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► of which are bad necessarily it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► the person right how we move through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► life you you made a keen observation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► last week and one because our meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► was held in in what they called the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► machine shop but it's their design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► realization lab where they take designs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3295">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► that I guess are like CAD or just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► prototypes and that it's a machine shop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► where they take ideas for designs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► try to turn them into as realistic and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► realistic and approximation of what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► would actually be like as a real Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► project as possible mm-hmm and I got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► feeling that a lot of that stuff was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► just so that they can wing it around and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► hold it and open and close open close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► open close it and you know see how a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► human like oh oh this feels really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► made it as real as possible yeah but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► made the keen observation that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► looking around and they had a lot some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► stuff covered with black drapes and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► obviously had shut down for the day they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► said ordinarily there's a very noisy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► facility for obvious reason but you made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► the keen observation I thought of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► you could kind of see that they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► that some of the benches and stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► the machines were from different people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:55 ◼ ► who work there because they were set up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3355">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► in very different ways you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3356">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► there's somebody who works at this spot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► and that the person who works right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► across this aisle from them is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► different person because there's their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► tools were laid out in a different way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► hypersensitive to that I came from my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► grandfather was a machinist and my dad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► is a you know zach is a craftsman he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► painter find our painter now but he for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► many years was an install does works on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► cars and all kinds of other stuff got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► the same inclination obviously from his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► dad I mean I'm I'm a dummy when it comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► to that stuff i just i can get my way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► around but their workspace is always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► fascinated with me with the like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► grandfather had a you know i don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► what you call it a cabinet or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► which was he built himself cuz he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► machinist so he worked in wood as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► and wood was like butter to him after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► working on you know aircraft parts all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► day and so we built like this cabinet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► with these wooden drawers and there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► maybe i don't know 50 or 60 wooden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► drawers and each one had a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3417">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► kind of thing in it like you know you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► like oh I need a washer like a split [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► lock washer and he's like oh right here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► right and you look in and there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► bunch of split water lock washers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► they're not new right there reclaimed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► right there like like a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:15 ◼ ► oil a grid on them but they're fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3435">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► right they're fine and he put some back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► there and that way you know like hey I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► got to fix this thing under the sink or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► whatever he came from that generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► where it's like I'm gonna fix this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► I'm gonna go out pull out a drawer grab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► this thing and put it in I'm not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► go to the store and buy a whole new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► faucet and he's not whatever and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► also not going to jury rig it with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► an ill-fitting part and just so no no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► scrappy together with a rag yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► dripping he's gonna have the exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► washer that you need to make a complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► you know make the right fit right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► they're right exactly in the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► with the tools you know all of the like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► a punch or a work a pair of pliers or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► clamp or anything like that's all all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► laid out all kind of had its own place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► used worn grimy whatever but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3476">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► right and organized in some way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► according to his brain and I just saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► that reflected on the workspaces and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► not like you know this is the same in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► machine shops around the world so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► not trying to say that Apple is some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► sort of you know crazy special place I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► just found it really nice to see because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► it says hey these are craftsmen a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► people think about this like Johnny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► designs it and some thing prints it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► you know overseas and that's it but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► know I think it is it is very important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► for us to remember that as you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► Steve said these are you know the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► is made up of people who are no smarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► than you then they made all these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► themselves you know they put the effort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► into learning how to do this and so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► see those wooden work boxes there with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► the they're measuring tools and punches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► and filing tools and those things all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:54 ◼ ► laid out in different bits for their CNC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3534">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► machines for the cutting machines and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3536">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► all of that stuff laid out and you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► tell like a a man or woman works here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► you know and they their personality live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► in the sex yeah yeah exactly and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► while the machines themselves may have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► the overall personality of somebody you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► know that a lot of man hours and 11 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► hours what are you gonna call I hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► that term eight hours but they went into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► it and then it definitely rough was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► reflected in the workspaces you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► what I found compelling but any I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► grass but like from the workspaces thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► I'm seeing more and more on more more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► designers workspaces they'll have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► whatever computer a mac or a pc or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► whatever invariably though ipad pro and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► a pencil hmm like everywhere like i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► reading an article about nike the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► day designing some shoe because i'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► shoe fanatic and on the table in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► background ipad pro no pencil right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► think it's sort of gaining a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► traction in that industry and in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► field and an apple Caesar says an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3594">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► opening for them to go hey we can serve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3596">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► traditionally been very Apple centric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► and we can hopefully not lose them but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► at the same time hold to our beliefs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► which I from their discussion during our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► talk there they still very strongly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► believe that touches does not belong on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► that huge vertical monitor right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► know and so this is a way that they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► sort of serve both of those well and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► Craig joked you know also allows them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► sell more products yeah they do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► they're very upfront about that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► they like it when ya buy loads of apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► products that's the person who is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► recent iPad convert because of the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► pro and pencil who I found fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► and it was exactly what I suspected is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► Jonathan Hoefler of Hoefler and company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:44 ◼ ► though sure typographers and friend of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3644">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► the show icon designer and I con artist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► and and graphic designer illustrator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► extraordinary Louie Mancha is getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► into creating his own typefaces and if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► this is like any super artistic person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► it's it's not like you know he's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► illustrations he can make icons he can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► do logos and he's drawing typefaces um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► and put one up like a a through z [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► specimen up and asked Hoefler first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► thoughts and Hoefler rather than just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:21 ◼ ► tweet his response like took it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3681">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► marked it up with just a slew of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► thoughts and just little details and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► parts of a be that maybe should be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► mirror image of the d you know like a B [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► and a lowercase B and D and and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► areas where you think like as a kid you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► grow up thinking Oh Abby and a dr just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► mirror images well sometimes you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► them to be and sometimes you don't and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► with explanations of why you know maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► you'd want to take a bigger chunk out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► this or you want to have this be curved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► or this Beach I found it as a as a as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► fan of typography who does not have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3715">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► artistic ability to create typography in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► any way shape or form like there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► chance that I could make a good looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► typeface none but I can appreciate a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► good typeface and I'd like to think at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► least that I can appreciate that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► difference between a good typeface and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► great typeface and I found his mark up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► to be fascinating from a typographic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► level but then I was also interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► how did he make this mock-up and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► write like of course you would ask and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► he said that it on Twitter huh Fleur [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► said that he switched he got an ipad pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► like a year ago and took to it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► forget what jab he's using but it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► I think it's like PDF pro PDF Expert I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► one of the third-party PDF markup apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► and that it was so good for him that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► got ipad pros for the entire company and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► they switched their entire crit critique [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► process for typefaces from paper to PDFs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► and it was all specifically it never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3777">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► could have happened before the iPad prom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► pencil and that they're a loving it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► they're way more efficient and be there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► saving like eight thousand sheets of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► paper a day right right like an unlit I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► don't know what exactly said but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► you can imagine how many you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► company full of type designers who do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► lots of critiques and and lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► iterations over and over and over again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► and every letter that they're saving an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► awful lot of yepper and they've got now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► they've got a paper trail of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► electronically you know searchable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► doesn't need to be archived in filing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► cabinet or something like that anyway I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► thought that was interesting yeah i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► like as a long time you know scouting i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► came come from a family of artists and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► never fully went down that path there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:43 ◼ ► was like a brief period where I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3823">TS</a>]
01:03:44 ◼ ► I was gonna be a fine artist and I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3824">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► into I went more into the photographic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► side of things but I did take all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:51 ◼ ► required you know drawing classes life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3831">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► drawing etc sewing and I could I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► still sketch you a reclining nude if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3837">TS</a>]
01:03:59 ◼ ► want one but the that process of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3839">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► pencil to paper the way everybody holds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► a pencil every artist holds one slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► differently different angle different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► inflection and it feels organic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► natural to them and a typical stylist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► requires that you have a fairly precise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► specific angle on it to make it react to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► the surface in a certain way and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► pencil doesn't I mean you within a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:24 ◼ ► certain bounds you can't go as extreme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► with a pencil but you can go a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► extreme because of the way that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► built it and a way of course that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► built the screen to match it whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► most people are working with a fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► standard touch screen and then mating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► whatever you know Swizzle they can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► in a stylist to it to try and make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► feel more organic you know you've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3883">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► the ones with the little disks at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► tip so that you could see what's under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:48 ◼ ► the stylist and all that but it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3888">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► the hold of the pencil that is the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► important thing and I find it amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► that you can you know do a four finger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► hold on a pencil and shade and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3896">TS</a>]
01:04:59 ◼ ► can flip it and do a standard stylist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3899">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► type hold and so on and so forth and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► think that that organic way that those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► work coupled with the very incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:10 ◼ ► low latency on the screen are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3910">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► selling people on it the moment that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► they try it or work can figure out a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:17 ◼ ► to work it into their workflow and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3917">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► think that if they if Apple can leverage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► that and use that as a way to say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► don't need touch because you've already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► got all the touch you need here I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► that you know it could work it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► work for that pro all right I've looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► it up I've got it in the show notes but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► I've got the whole thread on Twitter of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3933">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► this typeface critique and the app that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► I've learned is don't have foreign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► company Heffel Durant is company are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► using specifically is notability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► notability or is it notability pro no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► notability app which he describes as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:48 ◼ ► only app that he's ever felt feels like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3948">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► a real pen uh damn so anyway it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► great app I do have it don't really have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3955">TS</a>]
01:05:57 ◼ ► a need for like he does but boy it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3957">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► great and I agree with what you said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► really do it did come up though I came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► up at the meeting as to whether they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► overworking on touchscreen meant at max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► I feel like it's a it's the question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► that will never go away until one day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:14 ◼ ► they find out a way to do it nobody says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3974">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► see and they're like well you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► were just waiting or what I I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► think they will I really don't I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► that they could do it and shut people up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► but I feel like it's a bad idea let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► hold that thought and I'll explain why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► think it really is a bad idea and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► don't think I think some people suspect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► that it's oh they know touch is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► future and they just want people to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► it's all hinges on this theory that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► quote unquote want everybody to use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► macbook pro or iPad pro use an iPad pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► and so they're starving the mac of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:48 ◼ ► touchscreens out of spite to encourage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4008">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► people to buy ipad pros which i think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4012">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► nonsense um but I think that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► working theory of the otherwise it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4017">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► no sense why the Mac has no touchscreen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► whereas I think that they're great I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► think what Apple is saying about the mag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► and touchscreen is the literal truth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► that it's a bad combination of form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► factor and in the UI design anyway let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► me take a break though and thank our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► next sponsor it is hello h ull oh hello [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:23 ◼ ► pillow have you ever tried a buckwheat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4043">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► pillow they are totally different than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:27 ◼ ► the fluffy soft pillows most of us are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4047">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► used to it's similar to a bean bag which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► allows you to adjust its shape and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► thickness I've been using a hollow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► pillow we actually have two of them one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► on each side of the bed I like mine and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► I like it a lot my wife actually comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► back when we come back from vacation she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► actually complains that she actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► mrs. that's how much she misses her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► hollow pillow we go away for a week and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4072">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► she's like oh my god she's totally no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4075">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► longer like sleeping on even on a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► nice bed without a hollow pillow we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► had it i just gotta be at least a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► maybe longer and it's i can't imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► what it was like without it we really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► like them here's what it's like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► like a bean bag it's very heavy for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:18 ◼ ► pillow heavy for a pillow at least it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4098">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► supports your head and neck how you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► it and unlike traditional squishy soft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► pillows which collapse under the weight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4104">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► of your head hello pillows hold their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► form it also stays cool and dry compared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:33 ◼ ► to pillows fed with feathers or foam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4113">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► because there's air between these little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► buck wheat husks that are that it's sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:42 ◼ ► of our the quote-unquote beans in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4122">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► bean bag no matter what happens there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► remains air in there and it keeps stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► flowing and so it doesn't get hot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► it's really great ours have been like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► said we've had them for at least a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4133">TS</a>]
01:08:55 ◼ ► they last great it doesn't seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4135">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► it's any different than it was when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4136">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► was brand new it's really great do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4137">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► use two pillows or fold your pillow in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:03 ◼ ► an attempt for proper support well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4143">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► that's a sign that your pillow isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► firm or thick enough hello pillows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► support allows you to keep your head up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► with just one pillow it's very true it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► very different than a regular pillow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► you're going to open a box you got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► say it really is like a beanbag and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:18 ◼ ► you're going to think there is no way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4158">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► that this thing is actually going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► a good pillow because it is so unlike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► traditional fluffy pillow here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► deal though they're so confident on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► they're going to give you a 60 night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► guarantee so go ahead and try it that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► it hello hu LLO pillow calm / talk show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:38 ◼ ► just hello hello pillow calm / talk show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4178">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► and you'll get 60 nights and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► just send it back if you don't like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► but you probably won't because you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:46 ◼ ► probably gonna like it here's what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4186">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► get with that deal you get a discount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► depending on the size you'll find out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► when you go to pick out your size and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4195">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► you get fast free shipping on every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4197">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► order and they even add contribute one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:03 ◼ ► percent of all their profits to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4203">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► Nature Conservancy so there you go next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:08 ◼ ► time you need a pillow check out hello [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4208">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► pillow calm / talk show my thanks to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► them for sponsoring the show great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:14 ◼ ► product what are we talking about I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4214">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► always forget no touchscreen Madame's to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► scream at I get into I get into that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:25 ◼ ► no I I get hypnotized by my own sponsor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► like wheat pillows yeah so think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► like the one that and I'm not saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► it's a bad design but I feel like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► trade-offs are too much so people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:40 ◼ ► you know talking about the the windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4240">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► surface file tablets where the you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► dock it to a keyboard part and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:51 ◼ ► can undock it somehow and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4251">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► screen is a standalone tablet with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► separate processor and its own little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► it is to me it's a worse tablet than an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:06 ◼ ► iPad because it's it's it can't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4266">TS</a>]
01:11:10 ◼ ► it's not doesn't have a full-strength [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4270">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► processor the full strength processor is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► in the base but it's so it's worse as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► tablet but it's also worse as a laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► because then the screen of the laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► when it's in laptop mode is thicker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► especially compared to the new macbooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► and macbook pros like one of the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:31 ◼ ► little things and it's like I can write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4291">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► about it but I don't feel like it's ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:35 ◼ ► convincing to someone until they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4295">TS</a>]
01:11:37 ◼ ► actually try it for awhile is how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4297">TS</a>]
01:11:40 ◼ ► nicer the screen opens on a Mac on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4300">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► latest macbook pros like I'm still using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► as my daily driver I still have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:47 ◼ ► two-and-a-half-year-old 13-inch macbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► pro from the previous design and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► still suits my needs because on a day to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► day basis the imac is my main computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4315">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► and it's this is an imax the do what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4317">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► tend to do with my max is when I do buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► a new one I just max it out I get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:03 ◼ ► fastest and I get the most ram and I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4323">TS</a>]
01:12:05 ◼ ► the biggest SSD and then use it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4325">TS</a>]
01:12:08 ◼ ► years until I feel like I really need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4328">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► new computer and then max one ad again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► rather than upgrade like every year or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► so to a mid-range computer or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► like that I think of everything else on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► the new after getting those review units [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:23 ◼ ► of the new macbook pros the thing that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4343">TS</a>]
01:12:25 ◼ ► miss the most isn't the touch bar and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4345">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► isn't touch ID although touch ID is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► closed it's the the way that it opens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► and closes that's it's so light the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► screen is so light and thin and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► hinge is so much better that it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► effortless it always goes it just lifts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► the base never comes up when you lift it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► the base never right shift Swami face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► thing the fobby base syndrome was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► it was always a huge issue for me on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4371">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► what aires yes and macbooks i just got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► used to I used an 11-inch macbook air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4377">TS</a>]
01:12:59 ◼ ► for years and liked it in so many ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4379">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► and I just had it out recently to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:05 ◼ ► battery test on it and I still love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4385">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► form factor when it's closed but opening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:10 ◼ ► and closing it is sort of a two hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4390">TS</a>]
01:13:12 ◼ ► operation or a pinch finger operation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4392">TS</a>]
01:13:16 ◼ ► just like you said a floppy base the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4396">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► MacBook Pros have the best feel of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4398">TS</a>]
01:13:21 ◼ ► laptop opening and closing of any device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4401">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► I've ever seen in my life but the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► part of that though is that the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:29 ◼ ► part the part that you move up and down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4409">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► if you could magically detach that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► way too thin to be a tablet it wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► have any room for a battery it's way too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:38 ◼ ► thin and light there's no way that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4418">TS</a>]
01:13:40 ◼ ► could be a tablet and if you wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4420">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► turn it into a tablet you'd end up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:44 ◼ ► a device with a totally different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4424">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► balance of weight and and etc it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:49 ◼ ► almost inverted really because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4429">TS</a>]
01:13:50 ◼ ► keyboard would be on the bottom that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4430">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► it well and that's it and that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► struck me with the iPad pro with a smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4433">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► keep keyboard like I get it if you to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4436">TS</a>]
01:13:59 ◼ ► that that configuration of using an iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4439">TS</a>]
01:14:01 ◼ ► with a smart keyboard or even a third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4441">TS</a>]
01:14:04 ◼ ► party like a logitech keyboard with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4444">TS</a>]
01:14:06 ◼ ► you know click click keys it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4446">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► top-heavy I can see it if if your goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► is I love my iPad so much that I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► use it for more stuff and I want to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► it for writing and so for you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► writing I want to have a real hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:21 ◼ ► keyboard there you know therefore being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4461">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► able to do it and do it with a smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► connector for the ease of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:28 ◼ ► hooking it up and unhooking it up that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4468">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► great but it's so inferior just as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4470">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► laptop compared to a real macbook pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► like putting the software aside and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► preference for iOS over mac OS or vice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► versa just the art the action of opening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► and closing it and putting it away you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:46 ◼ ► can't beat the macbook pro with with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4486">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► tablet that docks to a keyboard right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:52 ◼ ► it's like you could you could have your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4492">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► macbook pro open close it realize you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4494">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► forgot to do one last thing reopen it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:01 ◼ ► and especially if you're using the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4501">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► watch to unlock it or use touch ID be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► logged back in before somebody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► could close up an iPad pro and get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:12 ◼ ► smart keyboard fold it up it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► again I'm not saying that that means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► iPad pro with smart keyboard or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► Logitech keyboard is a bad design but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► certainly is a huge trade off in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► of just just the art of opening and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► and so I just don't see I'm curious to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► see so like me I've had a couple of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:36 ◼ ► surfaces have had the surface pro 3 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4536">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► surface pro 4 and I found them to be you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:40 ◼ ► know interesting devices that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4540">TS</a>]
01:15:42 ◼ ► really got schizophrenic in the software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4542">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► so like the hardware I wasn't you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:46 ◼ ► the surface pro 3 was okay the four was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4546">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► better hardware wise not too bad the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► software was just super schizophrenic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► because it was trying to be two things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4554">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► at once you know trying to be touch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4555">TS</a>]
01:15:57 ◼ ► mouse and all of that and mashed into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4557">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► one which is Apple's constant refrain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:01 ◼ ► that they don't want to run into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4561">TS</a>]
01:16:03 ◼ ► problem and I agree having used you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4563">TS</a>]
01:16:06 ◼ ► Windows 10 on a surface pro 4 it just it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4566">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► still felt really schizophrenic to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► and I I don't think that it's unusable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► right so I think there are plenty of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► people out there that can get used to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► I am very curious though people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:20 ◼ ► saying hey you know surfaces are selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4580">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► more devices obviously their quarterly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:24 ◼ ► reproach reports show that they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4584">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► something there right there's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:27 ◼ ► there that people like and maybe that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4587">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► the pitch of having the all-in-one so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► they don't have to buy a tablet in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► computer you know that marketing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:35 ◼ ► working and then people get the devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► and they like them enough to keep them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► and so that's working but I'm very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► curious to see what will happen one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► generation out when people go I mean how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:45 ◼ ► exhausting was using that you know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4605">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► exhausting was this constant caught [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► being caught in between two worlds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► so I think Microsoft has an opportunity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► right now this sort of gap of time where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4613">TS</a>]
01:16:56 ◼ ► they've got a little traction and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4616">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► going well and so the positive word of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4618">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► mouth is causing more more people to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► that that paradigm out where they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► chance to figure it out and maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► can write maybe they can suss something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► out and they figure it out and it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► wow this is this really hits the mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► and the surface book obviously is a nod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► to that trying to they're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► Swiss trying to find their their niche [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:16 ◼ ► to like put that clawing and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4636">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► great but i think that apple looks at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:21 ◼ ► that and goes why would we do that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4641">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► we have these two more pure devices that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► we feel service just different needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► completely and that's our philosophy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► like hit these nails straight rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► than trying to hit the nail in at an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► angle to try and catch both boards or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► whatever yeah and I think it fits with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► apples philosophy of we're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► we're not going to create enough devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► every possible desire we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:46 ◼ ► have a fewer number of devices and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4666">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► everybody's needs and it almost comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:55 ◼ ► back to the fact that I I suspect that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4675">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► there might have been an inkling to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4677">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► two years ago to a year ago where maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:03 ◼ ► they thought they could even get rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4683">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► the mac pro and just have imax and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► macbook pros that they were you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:09 ◼ ► anything I think that they were leaning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4689">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► towards having fewer configurations of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► Max then adding more by adding something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:15 ◼ ► like a surface studio mm-hmm and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4695">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► gets ass I've said this before many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► times but it's you know there's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► sorts of things on screen on a Mac that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► are just are not conducive to touch just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► in terms of how big they are and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► know I've done it I know you know people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► feel strike I get a lot email about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:37 ◼ ► but uh I've I've done it myself I am an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4717">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► anti screen touch her I i liked it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► generally i will sometimes buy a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:45 ◼ ► macbook and and it might I might go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4725">TS</a>]
01:18:48 ◼ ► hopefully many many months before any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4728">TS</a>]
01:18:51 ◼ ► human being ever touches the dessert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4731">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► display right yeah I'm a hover hander [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4734">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► myself I mean I I like to stay I screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► it makes me very nervous like people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► might get nervous there was a scene in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► The Walking Dead this week where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:07 ◼ ► know without revealing anything in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4747">TS</a>]
01:19:09 ◼ ► explores but there was a character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► threatening another character by holding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► characters I ball for a very long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► and it bhisma I I can only have they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► to have done it with computer graphics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:21 ◼ ► because there's no way they it looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► too convincing that this but it was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► nerve-racking to see a character with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► knife held right in front of his open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► eye ball during a threatening situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► for a long period that's how I feel when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► I see somebody reach towards a non touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4773">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► display with the right to try and point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► at a document yeah I get nervous is when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:41 ◼ ► they as soon as they start boy um i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4781">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► would rather and the thing is i might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► touch phobia with screens goes even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► further i would rather not clean it then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► touch it is that weird like I've Mike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► screams like I often have like I open up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4794">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► wow this has like maybe its knees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4797">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► residue maybe it's dust I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► like eventually gets bad enough to where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► you have to clean it but I'd almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► rather not touch it because then I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► afraid I'm gonna clean it and this can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4807">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► be spongy at the corners no-win scenario [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► in my days as a graphic designer I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► remember I would work with people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► were screen touchers themselves back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:19 ◼ ► the CRT era and I'd you know we'd be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4819">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► Colet you know like hey let me show me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► show you this is what do you think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► this and they'd start pointing to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► screen and touching it I'd be like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► what are you doing it's just great why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:31 ◼ ► why did you scream uh-uh big smeary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4831">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► snail trails across it all right all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:38 ◼ ► that said yeah after back when the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4838">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► ipad pro came out and i had a review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:44 ◼ ► unit and and I did what I tried to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4844">TS</a>]
01:20:46 ◼ ► always do is immerse myself in it by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4846">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► doing as much of my computing on it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► possible during the review period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► including writing the review itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► using it um and then when I was done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4854">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► like a day later or so I was using my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:00 ◼ ► macbook pro and I went over and I tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4860">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► to scroll I remember exactly which Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:05 ◼ ► was it was tweetbot and I think the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4865">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► that tweetbot it sort of shares a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:09 ◼ ► aesthetic with the iOS version helped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4869">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► write me in I touched my macbook pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:14 ◼ ► screen and tried to scroll it so I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4874">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► it if it happened to me I could see how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:18 ◼ ► it could happen to do more people where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4878">TS</a>]
01:21:21 ◼ ► they just want to scroll by touching the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4881">TS</a>]
01:21:23 ◼ ► screen or whatever but you can't it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4883">TS</a>]
01:21:26 ◼ ► it's and I get it it's not pretty though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4886">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► it's just not pretty like I mean in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:31 ◼ ► terms of the physical interaction it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4891">TS</a>]
01:21:33 ◼ ► not pretty I've seen it happen like I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4893">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► even been like at events and stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► I've seen people with touchscreen you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:39 ◼ ► know max or whatever and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4899">TS</a>]
01:21:41 ◼ ► hurrying to file that's like a reporter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4901">TS</a>]
01:21:43 ◼ ► you know they're hurrying to file their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4903">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► story and they're bashing away and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:47 ◼ ► they go to close up or whatever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4907">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► they're trying to do a couple last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:50 ◼ ► things or even if they're like reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4910">TS</a>]
01:21:51 ◼ ► news while they're doing it they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4911">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► scrolling they reach up and let's do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► this sort of thing where they they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:56 ◼ ► pulling the laptop in and half closing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4916">TS</a>]
01:21:59 ◼ ► it and using the screen with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4919">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► thumbs like stuff like that which I look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:03 ◼ ► at it and go you know I get it it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4923">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► of nice to be able to have this duel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:08 ◼ ► mode thing where you're like clickety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4928">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► clackety clickety clack and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:11 ◼ ► there's a big touch target and you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4931">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► to just touch it really quick or perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:14 ◼ ► like some some interactions might make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4934">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► sense like swiping on the screen to move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► an entire desktop space right thank that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► makes a ton of sense to me logically you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► know philosophically but just going like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► hunt I've seen I'm also hunting to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► and click buttons if they really should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:29 ◼ ► have click with the mouse but the touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4949">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► pads are so shitty on those on those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► particular computers or the they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:35 ◼ ► have a mouse right that they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4955">TS</a>]
01:22:37 ◼ ► like right and then you know you hit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4957">TS</a>]
01:22:40 ◼ ► target wrong because the thumb is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4960">TS</a>]
01:22:42 ◼ ► calculated to hit it right and all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4962">TS</a>]
01:22:44 ◼ ► stuff you know they don't do what Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4964">TS</a>]
01:22:46 ◼ ► does to offset the target you know all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4966">TS</a>]
01:22:49 ◼ ► of that and remember there's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4969">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► predictable angle that they're hitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► it from you know because it's a laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:54 ◼ ► screen within with your phone Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4974">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► offset the key targets so where they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4976">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► not over the keys they're actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► slightly above the keys because of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► parallax the way you look at it and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:03 ◼ ► way you type on it and so when people go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4983">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► whack it they don't realize they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:06 ◼ ► hitting above the key but it's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4986">TS</a>]
01:23:08 ◼ ► hitting the key and like that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4988">TS</a>]
01:23:09 ◼ ► thing they can't do because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4989">TS</a>]
01:23:11 ◼ ► unpredictable how people are gonna touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4991">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► them so I think there's a lot of hurdles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:14 ◼ ► that manifest themselves in the weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4994">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► gymnastics people do when they start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► actually interacting with those kinds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:19 ◼ ► screens you know especially laptops you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/4999">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► whack it and it tilts backwards and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:23 ◼ ► flops back down and all this stuff you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:25 ◼ ► know right you'd almost want to build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5005">TS</a>]
01:23:26 ◼ ► one it probably has more resistance than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5006">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► the current macbook pros resistance and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:31 ◼ ► in terms of resistance to whether it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5011">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► moves down but not in the electrical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:35 ◼ ► sense um yeah yeah there's also a kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5015">TS</a>]
01:23:39 ◼ ► of a fundamental difference between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5019">TS</a>]
01:23:40 ◼ ► tapping and clicking like when you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5020">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► if you had a touchscreen Mac and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:45 ◼ ► just touch the screen and then start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5025">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► dragging did that touch count as a click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:49 ◼ ► and then a drag or is it just that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5029">TS</a>]
01:23:53 ◼ ► just where you start dragging and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5033">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► think about that it's totally different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5035">TS</a>]
01:23:59 ◼ ► sometimes you'd want one and sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5039">TS</a>]
01:24:01 ◼ ► you'd want the other like how how do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5041">TS</a>]
01:24:04 ◼ ► differentiate between scrolling and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5044">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► Finder window full of icons and by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► touching and moving your finger and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► dragging an icon so you can drag and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► drop by touching and dragging it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:18 ◼ ► exact same gesture you put your finger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5058">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► on the screen and it happens to be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► it does it start dragging or does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:26 ◼ ► start scrolling the view of icons mm-hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5066">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► right it's there's two things that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:31 ◼ ► want the same gesture to do and on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5071">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► with the mouse pointer it's it's easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:36 ◼ ► solved because it only does the drag if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5076">TS</a>]
01:24:38 ◼ ► you click before you move it you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5078">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► all sorts of problems that open up like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► that and it all gets very messy and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:46 ◼ ► feel like most of the people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5086">TS</a>]
01:24:48 ◼ ► kind of hoping that apple would do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5088">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► haven't really thought through any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► those issues and and would be right at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:54 ◼ ► least in some ways would be dissatisfied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5094">TS</a>]
01:24:55 ◼ ► with the result because they would see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5095">TS</a>]
01:24:58 ◼ ► dis loppy whereas it it's really not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5098">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► it's that there's no there is no easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:03 ◼ ► solution to it there's no way to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5103">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► putting your finger on the screen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► dragging it do both scroll the view and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:10 ◼ ► drag and drop the item you know and iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5110">TS</a>]
01:25:14 ◼ ► gets away with it but not having dragons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5114">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► it's like we'll just cannot do that uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:19 ◼ ► yeah and that's the thing they could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5119">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► by burning it down so to speak right the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:22 ◼ ► interface a layer anders things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5122">TS</a>]
01:25:25 ◼ ► onto iOS where maybe they're going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5125">TS</a>]
01:25:27 ◼ ► drag and drop because now they're adding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5127">TS</a>]
01:25:29 ◼ ► the haptic engine and you can ya get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5129">TS</a>]
01:25:32 ◼ ► touch and drag and a click and drag on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5132">TS</a>]
01:25:34 ◼ ► the iOS but even if you thought well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5134">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► that's then there's your solution for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:38 ◼ ► mac OS for a touchscreen but now you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5138">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► making the top of the macbook even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► thicker than it was already again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► another layer of thickness you're adding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:47 ◼ ► which is all problematic and if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5147">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► to be able to press it hard enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:51 ◼ ► get a 3d touch you've got to make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5151">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► you know the hinge has to be even firmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5153">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► etc etc etc I don't want to go down this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5155">TS</a>]
01:25:59 ◼ ► route any further but I think I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5159">TS</a>]
01:26:01 ◼ ► it's a bad idea and I think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5161">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► rabbit hole right it really is and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► once you start going down it you find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► yourself mixing metaphors and i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:10 ◼ ► that's that's something that's apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5170">TS</a>]
01:26:12 ◼ ► super allergic to if you have a touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5172">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► metaphor that works on the ipad why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:18 ◼ ► would you introduce a completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5178">TS</a>]
01:26:19 ◼ ► separate metaphor for the same exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5179">TS</a>]
01:26:20 ◼ ► action on a desktop machine and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5180">TS</a>]
01:26:23 ◼ ► answer of course the easy answer is 0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5183">TS</a>]
01:26:25 ◼ ► because desktops different but i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5185">TS</a>]
01:26:27 ◼ ► think Apple views it that way I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5187">TS</a>]
01:26:28 ◼ ► they view it well if it's different then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5188">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► why are you trying to like shoehorn this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► inner this interaction methodology onto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:35 ◼ ► it and i think that's that's where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5195">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► and answers for what happens when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:40 ◼ ► touch things you know they just want one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5200">TS</a>]
01:26:43 ◼ ► answer right i think that's that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5203">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► kind of the key there right and I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► like the way like part of the brilliance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:50 ◼ ► of the original iphone design was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5210">TS</a>]
01:26:56 ◼ ► they had I'm sure entire whiteboards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5216">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► full of these issues to resolve over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► what happened when you just touch what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:05 ◼ ► happens when you drag what happens you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5225">TS</a>]
01:27:07 ◼ ► know and came up with okay this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5227">TS</a>]
01:27:10 ◼ ► will happen when you do this is what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5230">TS</a>]
01:27:12 ◼ ► happen when you do that and came up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5232">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► presented it to our normal person they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:18 ◼ ► didn't realize any of those things had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5238">TS</a>]
01:27:20 ◼ ► been designed that it all felt natural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5240">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► that yes this is just you just put your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:26 ◼ ► finger on the screen and swipe it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5246">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► starts dragging the view and etc etc you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► know you just touch the button and let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► go and the button is activated right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► yeah hot I think they're they're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:41 ◼ ► ask the walk into a world of hurt if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5261">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► they start saying different things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:45 ◼ ► happen when you touch different things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5265">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► simply because they have come so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:49 ◼ ► instructing people on the one to one you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5269">TS</a>]
01:27:54 ◼ ► know then the what the one to one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5274">TS</a>]
01:27:55 ◼ ► like their mantra you know and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5275">TS</a>]
01:27:57 ◼ ► it's something that they didn't invent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5277">TS</a>]
01:27:59 ◼ ► but they did perfect and popularize and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5279">TS</a>]
01:28:02 ◼ ► I think that that is you don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5282">TS</a>]
01:28:05 ◼ ► give up ownership of that by going oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5285">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► just kidding that's not actually what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:09 ◼ ► believe I don't know yeah you're walking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5289">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► into a problem there all right I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► believe fundamentally I do not believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:16 ◼ ► that all computers should be touchscreen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5296">TS</a>]
01:28:18 ◼ ► I think most should be and I think most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5298">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► clearly already are because I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:24 ◼ ► should count phones as touch screens or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5304">TS</a>]
01:28:26 ◼ ► as computers and overwhelm if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5306">TS</a>]
01:28:29 ◼ ► combine iPhones and Android phones it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5309">TS</a>]
01:28:30 ◼ ► you know it's over they overwhelm all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5310">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► the other personal computers and use in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:34 ◼ ► the world today let alone tablets and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5314">TS</a>]
01:28:38 ◼ ► anything else that might have a touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5318">TS</a>]
01:28:39 ◼ ► screen but I don't think all should I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5319">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► non-touchscreen mouse and keyboard it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► kind of anyway yeah yeah nike I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:50 ◼ ► intersects with the whole nother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5330">TS</a>]
01:28:51 ◼ ► voice but that's literally a hold of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5331">TS</a>]
01:28:53 ◼ ► there that's a whole other thing let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5333">TS</a>]
01:28:57 ◼ ► take one last break here and thank our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5337">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► third and final sponsored longtime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:00 ◼ ► friends at the show back place back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5340">TS</a>]
01:29:04 ◼ ► plays offers unlimited native backup for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5344">TS</a>]
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01:29:13 ◼ ► free trial at Backblaze calm / daring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5353">TS</a>]
01:29:15 ◼ ► fireball all data is backed up all data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5355">TS</a>]
01:29:20 ◼ ► on your computer's backed up that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5360">TS</a>]
01:29:22 ◼ ► much data is backed up what would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5362">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► say well I not mine i have a four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:25 ◼ ► terabyte external drive nope they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5365">TS</a>]
01:29:27 ◼ ► back it all up only hitch is it well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5367">TS</a>]
01:29:30 ◼ ► however much data you have to back up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5370">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► your computer however long it takes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► upload through your home internet or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► your office internet it just takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:40 ◼ ► longer to get to get the initial backup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5380">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► up there that's it that's the only hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:43 ◼ ► there is no catch you pay five dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5383">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► per Mac per month unlimited data the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:52 ◼ ► software is terrific it's written the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5392">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► mac version is written by former Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5394">TS</a>]
01:29:56 ◼ ► engineers and it feels like it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5396">TS</a>]
01:29:58 ◼ ► seamless in the background you never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5398">TS</a>]
01:29:59 ◼ ► notice it running you just set it up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5399">TS</a>]
01:30:02 ◼ ► forget it and it's there and you get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5402">TS</a>]
01:30:05 ◼ ► peace of mind the wonderful wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5405">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► you'll sleep an extra hour and night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► with the peace of mind of knowing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:11 ◼ ► everything on your Mac that's important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5411">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► is backed up to the cloud is it should I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:16 ◼ ► be the only way you back up no back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5416">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► plays will be the first to tell you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:18 ◼ ► there's a great place in your back flows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5418">TS</a>]
01:30:20 ◼ ► backup solution for something like time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5420">TS</a>]
01:30:23 ◼ ► machine something like super duper to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5423">TS</a>]
01:30:25 ◼ ► clone your startup disk so that you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5425">TS</a>]
01:30:27 ◼ ► a second external drive with a complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5427">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► clone of your startup disk that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► could just switch to and boot from and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:33 ◼ ► have go back to local stuff is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5433">TS</a>]
01:30:36 ◼ ► it's always going to be faster but for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5436">TS</a>]
01:30:39 ◼ ► when disaster strikes like if somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5439">TS</a>]
01:30:41 ◼ ► breaks into your house and steals your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5441">TS</a>]
01:30:43 ◼ ► stuff or if a pipe bursts and a roof [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5443">TS</a>]
01:30:47 ◼ ► over your office and drips water over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5447">TS</a>]
01:30:49 ◼ ► all your all your computing equipment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5449">TS</a>]
01:30:51 ◼ ► anything that could go wrong that might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5451">TS</a>]
01:30:53 ◼ ► go wrong locally having an off-site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5453">TS</a>]
01:30:55 ◼ ► backup is just a tremendous peace of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5455">TS</a>]
01:30:58 ◼ ► mind and it can be a lifesaver so where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5458">TS</a>]
01:31:02 ◼ ► do you go to find out more I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5462">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► using back place for years I recommend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:06 ◼ ► sponsoring the show if they stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5466">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► sponsoring during fireball I would still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:09 ◼ ► recommend it five bucks a month per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5469">TS</a>]
01:31:12 ◼ ► machine go to Backblaze calm / daring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5472">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► fireball and they will know that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:19 ◼ ► came here from the show and you'll get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5479">TS</a>]
01:31:21 ◼ ► 15 day free trial by thanks to them I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5481">TS</a>]
01:31:23 ◼ ► like that back please I mean using that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5483">TS</a>]
01:31:27 ◼ ► for a long time yeah it's great service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5487">TS</a>]
01:31:29 ◼ ► I always forget that I have it wrong I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5489">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► really do yeah the only time i remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:34 ◼ ► i restart and i see the little flame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5494">TS</a>]
01:31:36 ◼ ► icon every once in a while i have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5496">TS</a>]
01:31:37 ◼ ► external drive on my desktop that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5497">TS</a>]
01:31:40 ◼ ► don't always keep plugged in it's just I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5500">TS</a>]
01:31:42 ◼ ► just call it storage and it's where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5502">TS</a>]
01:31:43 ◼ ► keep all sorts of big ass stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5503">TS</a>]
01:31:45 ◼ ► video and stuff that I don't necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5505">TS</a>]
01:31:47 ◼ ► want to fill up my ass my SSD with and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5507">TS</a>]
01:31:50 ◼ ► every once in while I don't have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5510">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► plugged in for a while and they send you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:53 ◼ ► a nice little email that says hey you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5513">TS</a>]
01:31:55 ◼ ► know that that device hasn't been backed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5515">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► up in 21 days or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5517">TS</a>]
01:31:58 ◼ ► right and that's like oh yeah back boys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5518">TS</a>]
01:32:01 ◼ ► are still running yeah I don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5521">TS</a>]
01:32:03 ◼ ► need I don't really need to plug it back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5523">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► in because part of the reason it hasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► backed up in 21 days as I obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5526">TS</a>]
01:32:08 ◼ ► haven't changed anything so exactly yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5528">TS</a>]
01:32:10 ◼ ► but I use carbon copy cloner for local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5530">TS</a>]
01:32:13 ◼ ► and then back place for yep for external [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5533">TS</a>]
01:32:16 ◼ ► kiss house burns down yep and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5536">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► think wow this is good news my house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► burned down but I've I get to reset up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:25 ◼ ► my computer it's awesome any nerds will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5545">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► take any excuse to reset up on computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5548">TS</a>]
01:32:30 ◼ ► oh so all right one of the points I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5550">TS</a>]
01:32:35 ◼ ► wouldn't say of contention but one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5555">TS</a>]
01:32:37 ◼ ► the the the the things that we didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5557">TS</a>]
01:32:42 ◼ ► really think about last week during at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5562">TS</a>]
01:32:44 ◼ ► that meeting in cupertino was with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5564">TS</a>]
01:32:48 ◼ ► with Schiller had said was hey all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5568">TS</a>]
01:32:50 ◼ ► we're working on a new mac pro thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5570">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► up thought from the ground up we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:53 ◼ ► working on new apple branded displays to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5573">TS</a>]
01:32:57 ◼ ► go along with them neither you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5577">TS</a>]
01:33:00 ◼ ► going to see these products this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5580">TS</a>]
01:33:01 ◼ ► and ever I think every single other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5581">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► person at the table heard that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:07 ◼ ► thought okay these things are coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5587">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► next year and wow that in and and sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:14 ◼ ► of in the context of Wow Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5594">TS</a>]
01:33:16 ◼ ► telling us about a product that's a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5596">TS</a>]
01:33:18 ◼ ► which is you know sort of unprecedented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5598">TS</a>]
01:33:20 ◼ ► I guess it's the longest ever I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5600">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► they've done things like they unveiled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:24 ◼ ► the iphone at macworld in January and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5604">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► didn't ship until June there's that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:28 ◼ ► six-month lead a year is pretty unusual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5608">TS</a>]
01:33:31 ◼ ► if not unprecedented but I had that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5611">TS</a>]
01:33:35 ◼ ► my story at least one point where I used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5615">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► the phrase quote unquote next year and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:40 ◼ ► got pinged the next morning from someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5620">TS</a>]
01:33:43 ◼ ► an apple PR just to clarify that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5623">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► didn't say next year they did not say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:48 ◼ ► next year either they just said not this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5628">TS</a>]
01:33:50 ◼ ► year and that there's this there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5630">TS</a>]
01:33:52 ◼ ► obviously a subtle difference between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5632">TS</a>]
01:33:54 ◼ ► not this year and next year which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5634">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► that in theory it might not come until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5637">TS</a>]
01:34:00 ◼ ► 2019 mmhmm yeah nobody from Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5640">TS</a>]
01:34:03 ◼ ► reached out to me like proactively like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5643">TS</a>]
01:34:05 ◼ ► that but I did look at my when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5645">TS</a>]
01:34:08 ◼ ► looking at the through my transcript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5648">TS</a>]
01:34:09 ◼ ► just you know kind of make sure I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5649">TS</a>]
01:34:11 ◼ ► everything right and all that I realized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5651">TS</a>]
01:34:14 ◼ ► that nobody did I think it was Lance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5654">TS</a>]
01:34:17 ◼ ► kind of mentioned twice hey you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5657">TS</a>]
01:34:19 ◼ ► these things that are coming next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5659">TS</a>]
01:34:20 ◼ ► blah blah blah you know just that speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5660">TS</a>]
01:34:22 ◼ ► into another question and there was no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5662">TS</a>]
01:34:23 ◼ ► pushback right so I think that's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5663">TS</a>]
01:34:26 ◼ ► where my brain clicked over okay fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5666">TS</a>]
01:34:28 ◼ ► they didn't push back against these but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5668">TS</a>]
01:34:30 ◼ ► it was a conversation so I didn't expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5670">TS</a>]
01:34:32 ◼ ► them to necessarily push back against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5672">TS</a>]
01:34:33 ◼ ► every little thing or maybe they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5673">TS</a>]
01:34:35 ◼ ► just waiting for the point of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5675">TS</a>]
01:34:36 ◼ ► question right and they didn't you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5676">TS</a>]
01:34:38 ◼ ► did slipped their mind or whatever well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5678">TS</a>]
01:34:41 ◼ ► yeah I know we're in that that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5681">TS</a>]
01:34:43 ◼ ► specify next year so that makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5683">TS</a>]
01:34:45 ◼ ► and I don't think that it means that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5685">TS</a>]
01:34:48 ◼ ► won't come next year maybe it will but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5688">TS</a>]
01:34:51 ◼ ► also think that they want to leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5691">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► themselves wiggle room in case they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:54 ◼ ► can't get it done and in its first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5694">TS</a>]
01:34:55 ◼ ► quarter the year after a second quarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5695">TS</a>]
01:34:57 ◼ ► of the year after you know I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5697">TS</a>]
01:34:58 ◼ ► can't fathom lovely see it being three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5698">TS</a>]
01:35:00 ◼ ► years from now but no I definitely think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5700">TS</a>]
01:35:03 ◼ ► that they did not want to commit to eat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5703">TS</a>]
01:35:07 ◼ ► you know exactly 18 months from now no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5707">TS</a>]
01:35:09 ◼ ► longer kind of thing you know I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5709">TS</a>]
01:35:11 ◼ ► it's I at first I was a little alarmed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5711">TS</a>]
01:35:14 ◼ ► by it but then I thought you know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5714">TS</a>]
01:35:16 ◼ ► think it's just it's just not it's their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5716">TS</a>]
01:35:20 ◼ ► institutional resistance to talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5720">TS</a>]
01:35:22 ◼ ► about stuff in the future and making any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5722">TS</a>]
01:35:23 ◼ ► promises at all and and they're sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5723">TS</a>]
01:35:25 ◼ ► desire to under-promise and over-deliver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5725">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► I can't help but suspect that internally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:32 ◼ ► for next year if not early next year I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5732">TS</a>]
01:35:35 ◼ ► can't help but think that but that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5735">TS</a>]
01:35:37 ◼ ► know that Murphy's Law can hit and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5737">TS</a>]
01:35:39 ◼ ► they might spend six months pursuing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5739">TS</a>]
01:35:40 ◼ ► path X and decide nope we need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5740">TS</a>]
01:35:43 ◼ ► backtrack and go down paths why instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5743">TS</a>]
01:35:45 ◼ ► and now we're 6 we've lost six months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5745">TS</a>]
01:35:47 ◼ ► that that can happen with the product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5747">TS</a>]
01:35:49 ◼ ► but given the fact that they're hitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5749">TS</a>]
01:35:53 ◼ ► this reset button on a what's now four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5753">TS</a>]
01:35:57 ◼ ► year old computer or almost four coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5757">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► up for it but that's call it three I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:01 ◼ ► guess because it shipped at the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5761">TS</a>]
01:36:03 ◼ ► 2013 a let's be generous and call it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5763">TS</a>]
01:36:06 ◼ ► three and a half year old computer uh it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5766">TS</a>]
01:36:12 ◼ ► that they're doing this now and saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5772">TS</a>]
01:36:15 ◼ ► it's still going to take at least a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5775">TS</a>]
01:36:16 ◼ ► that that's a pretty long time for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5776">TS</a>]
01:36:20 ◼ ► world's most most successful profitable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5780">TS</a>]
01:36:24 ◼ ► company that specializes in making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5784">TS</a>]
01:36:26 ◼ ► computers to make a great cuter that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5786">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► should be at a basic level fundamentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:34 ◼ ► similar to you know high-end intel-based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5794">TS</a>]
01:36:38 ◼ ► workstations you know that that part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5798">TS</a>]
01:36:41 ◼ ► this is isn't you know it's not designed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5801">TS</a>]
01:36:44 ◼ ► in her own at least we think they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5804">TS</a>]
01:36:46 ◼ ► designing their own cpu to go with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5806">TS</a>]
01:36:48 ◼ ► right you know that and you know and on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5808">TS</a>]
01:36:52 ◼ ► the flip side of that i want to so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5812">TS</a>]
01:36:53 ◼ ► want to hear your thoughts about is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5813">TS</a>]
01:36:55 ◼ ► part of the pushback I got from my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5815">TS</a>]
01:36:56 ◼ ► article was specifically about this it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5816">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► not coming this year and and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:02 ◼ ► pushback I heard was from people readers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5822">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► and listeners of the show were obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:07 ◼ ► frustrated at the mac pro who didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5827">TS</a>]
01:37:09 ◼ ► take this announcement as the good news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5829">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► that I took it as because my biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:14 ◼ ► fear like I said going in was that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5834">TS</a>]
01:37:16 ◼ ► were going to say we're not gonna make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5836">TS</a>]
01:37:17 ◼ ► mac pro anymore right like nothing at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5837">TS</a>]
01:37:19 ◼ ► all right right that's my that was my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5839">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► bad news and my good news scenario is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:22 ◼ ► the the mac pro is coming but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5842">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► coming for a while and I thought that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:28 ◼ ► that was the good news because if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5848">TS</a>]
01:37:29 ◼ ► the in theory good news would be we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5849">TS</a>]
01:37:32 ◼ ► a new mac pro and here it is or we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5852">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► a new mac pro and it's coming at WWDC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5854">TS</a>]
01:37:37 ◼ ► they wouldn't have had the meeting they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5857">TS</a>]
01:37:40 ◼ ► would have just either shown had an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5860">TS</a>]
01:37:42 ◼ ► event and shown it or they would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5862">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► waited until June they could have at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:45 ◼ ► did that long and then it shown it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5865">TS</a>]
01:37:47 ◼ ► three of fact that it couldn't even be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5867">TS</a>]
01:37:50 ◼ ► shown in June meant that they needed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5870">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► do something like this and so I knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:54 ◼ ► that going into the meeting that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5874">TS</a>]
01:37:56 ◼ ► no way they're going to show it to us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5876">TS</a>]
01:37:57 ◼ ► you know it can't be coming soon so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5877">TS</a>]
01:37:59 ◼ ► best possible case would be that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5879">TS</a>]
01:38:01 ◼ ► say to us you know it's coming at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5881">TS</a>]
01:38:03 ◼ ► end of the year I thought would maybe be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5883">TS</a>]
01:38:05 ◼ ► the ideal case but I what I heard from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5885">TS</a>]
01:38:08 ◼ ► people was god damn it why can't apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5888">TS</a>]
01:38:12 ◼ ► just take a motherboard from intel and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5892">TS</a>]
01:38:16 ◼ ► some high-end nvidia graphics cards and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5896">TS</a>]
01:38:19 ◼ ► put them in a goddamn box and sell it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5899">TS</a>]
01:38:21 ◼ ► me mm-hmm right how long did it take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5901">TS</a>]
01:38:23 ◼ ► right how long can it take to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5903">TS</a>]
01:38:26 ◼ ► nice to unity eyes aluminum case done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5906">TS</a>]
01:38:28 ◼ ► right you know give jony ive's team a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5908">TS</a>]
01:38:30 ◼ ► month to make a nice looking box and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5910">TS</a>]
01:38:32 ◼ ► ship the goddamn thing and I wonder what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5912">TS</a>]
01:38:35 ◼ ► you did what you think about that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5915">TS</a>]
01:38:38 ◼ ► what is it that they're doing that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5918">TS</a>]
01:38:39 ◼ ► going to take them at least a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5919">TS</a>]
01:38:42 ◼ ► combated to however long they've already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5922">TS</a>]
01:38:46 ◼ ► been working on on this which right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5926">TS</a>]
01:38:48 ◼ ► eames to be at least six months probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5928">TS</a>]
01:38:51 ◼ ► a little more but at least six months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5931">TS</a>]
01:38:52 ◼ ► since I I think they'd flip the switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5932">TS</a>]
01:38:54 ◼ ► and said full speed ahead yeah I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5934">TS</a>]
01:38:59 ◼ ► know I mean I keep going back it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5939">TS</a>]
01:39:01 ◼ ► almost like hunting me now when they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5941">TS</a>]
01:39:03 ◼ ► saying like you know if we're gonna do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5943">TS</a>]
01:39:04 ◼ ► anything we want to make sure that its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5944">TS</a>]
01:39:06 ◼ ► innovative and that you know it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5946">TS</a>]
01:39:08 ◼ ► the same old thing and I think I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5948">TS</a>]
01:39:10 ◼ ► that it's fine like the best case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5950">TS</a>]
01:39:12 ◼ ► scenario of that is iphone you know it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5952">TS</a>]
01:39:16 ◼ ► don't know what that could be there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5956">TS</a>]
01:39:17 ◼ ► two things that stick in my mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5957">TS</a>]
01:39:19 ◼ ► completely unrelated to Apple well not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5959">TS</a>]
01:39:21 ◼ ► not completely but you know sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5961">TS</a>]
01:39:22 ◼ ► unrelated to Apple that they did sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5962">TS</a>]
01:39:26 ◼ ► intriguing one of the reasons I asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5966">TS</a>]
01:39:28 ◼ ► you know what's your feeling on external [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5968">TS</a>]
01:39:30 ◼ ► GP is was that was my assumption of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5970">TS</a>]
01:39:33 ◼ ► the mac pro was because I had heard a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5973">TS</a>]
01:39:37 ◼ ► little bit before the mac pro was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5977">TS</a>]
01:39:38 ◼ ► announced you know these things start to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5978">TS</a>]
01:39:40 ◼ ► come up in conversation as you have them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5980">TS</a>]
01:39:42 ◼ ► nothing I could put together really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5982">TS</a>]
01:39:44 ◼ ► solidly but I'd heard you know it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5984">TS</a>]
01:39:46 ◼ ► little blob of a machine and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5986">TS</a>]
01:39:48 ◼ ► going to focus on peripherals which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5988">TS</a>]
01:39:50 ◼ ► essentially what they were trying to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5990">TS</a>]
01:39:51 ◼ ► but the peripherals never really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5991">TS</a>]
01:39:53 ◼ ► materialized because of federal issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5993">TS</a>]
01:39:55 ◼ ► and all that stuff you know in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5995">TS</a>]
01:39:56 ◼ ► the vast array of them they thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/5996">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► this thing but the peripheral that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:01 ◼ ► really focused on in my mind was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6001">TS</a>]
01:40:03 ◼ ► external GPU so it's saying hey like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6003">TS</a>]
01:40:06 ◼ ► this is what we launched today we think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6006">TS</a>]
01:40:07 ◼ ► it's going to be great for most people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6007">TS</a>]
01:40:09 ◼ ► computing needs blah blah blah and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6009">TS</a>]
01:40:11 ◼ ► you know in six months we're gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6011">TS</a>]
01:40:13 ◼ ► a partner like Nvidia or AMD obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6013">TS</a>]
01:40:15 ◼ ► who they work very closely with who has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6015">TS</a>]
01:40:18 ◼ ► an external GPU you can plug in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6018">TS</a>]
01:40:21 ◼ ► we'll handle your rendering tasks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6021">TS</a>]
01:40:23 ◼ ► run your games and you can just pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6023">TS</a>]
01:40:25 ◼ ► which GPU you're going to use in boom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6025">TS</a>]
01:40:26 ◼ ► right and you can just do that and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6026">TS</a>]
01:40:29 ◼ ► that way this little blob of a machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6029">TS</a>]
01:40:31 ◼ ► lives on your desk for 45 years 8 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6031">TS</a>]
01:40:34 ◼ ► 10 years and you get the newest GPU and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6034">TS</a>]
01:40:37 ◼ ► plug it in and as long as the i/o [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6037">TS</a>]
01:40:39 ◼ ► doesn't change you know we don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6039">TS</a>]
01:40:41 ◼ ► some massive change in shift in i/o [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6041">TS</a>]
01:40:43 ◼ ► which will happen every five eight years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6043">TS</a>]
01:40:44 ◼ ► whatever then you're good you're golden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6044">TS</a>]
01:40:47 ◼ ► and you're going to be able to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6047">TS</a>]
01:40:48 ◼ ► using this for the GPU intensive tasks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6048">TS</a>]
01:40:52 ◼ ► that you have that was my thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6052">TS</a>]
01:40:53 ◼ ► originally for it mmm I was obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6053">TS</a>]
01:40:56 ◼ ► too aggressive in the way I was thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6056">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► about it it gets one way to put it big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:01 ◼ ► apple was too though I do well yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6061">TS</a>]
01:41:04 ◼ ► yeah I guess so but not in that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6064">TS</a>]
01:41:06 ◼ ► right in a different way in a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6066">TS</a>]
01:41:07 ◼ ► direction completely so what I thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6067">TS</a>]
01:41:11 ◼ ► is like maybe that's the answer may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6071">TS</a>]
01:41:12 ◼ ► that they figured out like hey maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6072">TS</a>]
01:41:14 ◼ ► external GPUs are the thing and they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6074">TS</a>]
01:41:17 ◼ ► go to Nvidia and say hey build us a GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6077">TS</a>]
01:41:21 ◼ ► or an accessory the people plug their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6081">TS</a>]
01:41:24 ◼ ► GPUs into and then we don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6084">TS</a>]
01:41:25 ◼ ► worry about it but it doesn't it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6085">TS</a>]
01:41:27 ◼ ► seem right to me right because like then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6087">TS</a>]
01:41:30 ◼ ► they would be doubling down on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6090">TS</a>]
01:41:32 ◼ ► current shape and form factor and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6092">TS</a>]
01:41:34 ◼ ► don't think that they would be doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6094">TS</a>]
01:41:34 ◼ ► that if they they brought us in to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6094">TS</a>]
01:41:36 ◼ ► this the whole discussion yeah I but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6096">TS</a>]
01:41:40 ◼ ► answer was unambiguous though you asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6100">TS</a>]
01:41:43 ◼ ► you know what would you guys see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6103">TS</a>]
01:41:44 ◼ ► future for external GPUs and i think was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6104">TS</a>]
01:41:48 ◼ ► federighi who answered I'm ambiguously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6108">TS</a>]
01:41:50 ◼ ► yes you know we see a place for external [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6110">TS</a>]
01:41:52 ◼ ► gps it was very short there was there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6112">TS</a>]
01:41:54 ◼ ► interesting and then turness i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6114">TS</a>]
01:41:56 ◼ ► said for some applications absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6116">TS</a>]
01:41:58 ◼ ► for others know which is another way of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6118">TS</a>]
01:42:00 ◼ ► saying get doesn't work always but does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6120">TS</a>]
01:42:02 ◼ ► work sometimes right but not you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6122">TS</a>]
01:42:04 ◼ ► I'd not those are terrible terrible idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6124">TS</a>]
01:42:07 ◼ ► like touch right right uh right and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6127">TS</a>]
01:42:10 ◼ ► was like a long discussion about why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6130">TS</a>]
01:42:13 ◼ ► they're not you know of all that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6133">TS</a>]
01:42:15 ◼ ► know a lot of the questions they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6135">TS</a>]
01:42:16 ◼ ► wouldn't give a yes or no to but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6136">TS</a>]
01:42:17 ◼ ► gave a note to touch and it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6137">TS</a>]
01:42:19 ◼ ► wasn't just know it was no and it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6139">TS</a>]
01:42:21 ◼ ► long discussion but the external GPU is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6141">TS</a>]
01:42:23 ◼ ► yes and some for some cases I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6143">TS</a>]
01:42:26 ◼ ► other thing that they were pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6146">TS</a>]
01:42:27 ◼ ► ambiguous about is that the new Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6147">TS</a>]
01:42:28 ◼ ► has to be able to support a big honking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6148">TS</a>]
01:42:31 ◼ ► internal GPU that whatever you might do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6151">TS</a>]
01:42:34 ◼ ► as a niche within an itch that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6154">TS</a>]
01:42:38 ◼ ► require external GPUs fundamentally this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6158">TS</a>]
01:42:41 ◼ ► machine has to accommodate a big honking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6161">TS</a>]
01:42:43 ◼ ► GPU that's there all the time and can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6163">TS</a>]
01:42:45 ◼ ► can get pretty can do things that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6165">TS</a>]
01:42:47 ◼ ► make it hot and have the heat dissipate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6167">TS</a>]
01:42:49 ◼ ► I thought that was pretty unambiguous to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6169">TS</a>]
01:42:52 ◼ ► UM there was so the other trend besides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6172">TS</a>]
01:42:57 ◼ ► the external GPUs I'll just interject [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6177">TS</a>]
01:42:59 ◼ ► this I don't I don't know why this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6179">TS</a>]
01:43:04 ◼ ► tickling my brain but there's there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6184">TS</a>]
01:43:07 ◼ ► types of computers obviously the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6187">TS</a>]
01:43:09 ◼ ► who build pcs are very familiar you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6189">TS</a>]
01:43:10 ◼ ► you have like the full-size ATX case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6190">TS</a>]
01:43:14 ◼ ► right which is your big case and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6194">TS</a>]
01:43:16 ◼ ► you have mini ATX micro ATX so on and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6196">TS</a>]
01:43:20 ◼ ► forth right basically smaller and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6200">TS</a>]
01:43:22 ◼ ► smaller cases and at some point they you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6202">TS</a>]
01:43:24 ◼ ► have to get like a smaller motherboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6204">TS</a>]
01:43:26 ◼ ► or motherboard that's meant specifically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6206">TS</a>]
01:43:27 ◼ ► to conserve space and maybe it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6207">TS</a>]
01:43:30 ◼ ► have as many ram slots or maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6210">TS</a>]
01:43:31 ◼ ► doesn't you know have as many uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6211">TS</a>]
01:43:33 ◼ ► creature comforts or whatever and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6213">TS</a>]
01:43:37 ◼ ► shrinks and shrinks and shrinks but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6217">TS</a>]
01:43:38 ◼ ► there are their miniature Capri Bo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6218">TS</a>]
01:43:40 ◼ ► computers called nukes or knucks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6220">TS</a>]
01:43:43 ◼ ► that are Microsoft has a very popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6223">TS</a>]
01:43:45 ◼ ► one where if it's like you need you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6225">TS</a>]
01:43:47 ◼ ► you need somebody who needs a computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6227">TS</a>]
01:43:49 ◼ ► but they don't really need anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6229">TS</a>]
01:43:50 ◼ ► special they just buy a nuk right it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6230">TS</a>]
01:43:51 ◼ ► like 200 bucks and boom you get yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6231">TS</a>]
01:43:53 ◼ ► computer plug a monitor and you're good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6233">TS</a>]
01:43:55 ◼ ► and then there's other ones that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6235">TS</a>]
01:43:58 ◼ ► about really about like fitting really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6238">TS</a>]
01:44:03 ◼ ► robust graphics cards into tiny cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6243">TS</a>]
01:44:07 ◼ ► like really small cases and some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6247">TS</a>]
01:44:10 ◼ ► these pc and i'll have to look it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6250">TS</a>]
01:44:11 ◼ ► once again i don't have it a finger tips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6251">TS</a>]
01:44:13 ◼ ► but some of these cases are essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6253">TS</a>]
01:44:15 ◼ ► an excuse for a graphics card right they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6255">TS</a>]
01:44:17 ◼ ► just they wrap around the graphics card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6257">TS</a>]
01:44:19 ◼ ► the motherboard is specifically designed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6259">TS</a>]
01:44:21 ◼ ► to fit inside the case as small as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6261">TS</a>]
01:44:23 ◼ ► possible and the thing looks like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6263">TS</a>]
01:44:27 ◼ ► just it's all about the GPU and and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6267">TS</a>]
01:44:30 ◼ ► for gamers who want the power but don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6270">TS</a>]
01:44:33 ◼ ► want to sacrifice the space and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6273">TS</a>]
01:44:35 ◼ ► VR and to a lesser extent AR are driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6275">TS</a>]
01:44:38 ◼ ► this cut this sort of category where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6278">TS</a>]
01:44:42 ◼ ► you've got a person who wants to do VR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6282">TS</a>]
01:44:44 ◼ ► and maybe they want to port it around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6284">TS</a>]
01:44:45 ◼ ► and go to groups to you know go to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6285">TS</a>]
01:44:48 ◼ ► friend's house and bring it or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6288">TS</a>]
01:44:49 ◼ ► like these evangelists fvr evangelists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6289">TS</a>]
01:44:51 ◼ ► pushing the thing forward in gamers who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6291">TS</a>]
01:44:54 ◼ ► want the latest bleeding edge you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6294">TS</a>]
01:44:56 ◼ ► thing like hundred thousand VR headsets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6296">TS</a>]
01:44:58 ◼ ► or so have been sold so far so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6298">TS</a>]
01:45:00 ◼ ► figure a hundred thousand users that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6300">TS</a>]
01:45:02 ◼ ► enough for some case manufacturer to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6302">TS</a>]
01:45:04 ◼ ► hey let me build a specialty case right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6304">TS</a>]
01:45:06 ◼ ► and I think for me it makes it a ton of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6306">TS</a>]
01:45:09 ◼ ► sense like I love it I love the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6309">TS</a>]
01:45:11 ◼ ► because like if I travel between cities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6311">TS</a>]
01:45:13 ◼ ► and I want which I do often and i want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6313">TS</a>]
01:45:15 ◼ ► to bring my VR kit I can pack my headset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6315">TS</a>]
01:45:17 ◼ ► in my cords into a relatively small bag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6317">TS</a>]
01:45:19 ◼ ► but then I got this big old tower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6319">TS</a>]
01:45:21 ◼ ► computer that runs this thing and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6321">TS</a>]
01:45:23 ◼ ► sucks right right and in a laptop sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6323">TS</a>]
01:45:26 ◼ ► of runs it but won't run it really well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6326">TS</a>]
01:45:28 ◼ ► it won't run it like an nvidia high-end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6328">TS</a>]
01:45:31 ◼ ► 1080 or no high-end AMD card well and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6331">TS</a>]
01:45:34 ◼ ► there's something about that it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6334">TS</a>]
01:45:36 ◼ ► maybe that you're thinking like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6336">TS</a>]
01:45:38 ◼ ► heck if this is the future let's lean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6338">TS</a>]
01:45:40 ◼ ► into it right let's honor the shape and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6340">TS</a>]
01:45:44 ◼ ► the the power and the the desire to slot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6344">TS</a>]
01:45:48 ◼ ► these things in here and just build a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6348">TS</a>]
01:45:50 ◼ ► case that accommodates two full-size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6350">TS</a>]
01:45:52 ◼ ► graphics cards and up to four SSDs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6352">TS</a>]
01:45:55 ◼ ► that's it and I mean I don't know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6355">TS</a>]
01:45:58 ◼ ► know it's like same kind of ideas but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6358">TS</a>]
01:46:00 ◼ ► leaning in a different direction I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6360">TS</a>]
01:46:03 ◼ ► don't know if they do that or if they go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6363">TS</a>]
01:46:04 ◼ ► full-on like bunch of space I think VR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6364">TS</a>]
01:46:06 ◼ ► is is an interesting topic to combined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6366">TS</a>]
01:46:09 ◼ ► with this discussion of the Mac Pro and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6369">TS</a>]
01:46:12 ◼ ► the most powerful possible graphics you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6372">TS</a>]
01:46:14 ◼ ► can get running on an Apple device today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6374">TS</a>]
01:46:16 ◼ ► but not in the obvious first level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6376">TS</a>]
01:46:21 ◼ ► scenario of hay in the current world Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6381">TS</a>]
01:46:26 ◼ ► users can't run vr in a mass-market way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6386">TS</a>]
01:46:29 ◼ ► or can't do it well and that things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6389">TS</a>]
01:46:32 ◼ ► the oculus don't even support it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6392">TS</a>]
01:46:34 ◼ ► there's no graphics card that's up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6394">TS</a>]
01:46:35 ◼ ► their specs etc etc I think from Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6395">TS</a>]
01:46:38 ◼ ► perspective that's not really relevant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6398">TS</a>]
01:46:41 ◼ ► that they're correct that it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6401">TS</a>]
01:46:42 ◼ ► relevant that the ultimate matts market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6402">TS</a>]
01:46:45 ◼ ► way for Apple to do vr or ar is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6405">TS</a>]
01:46:49 ◼ ► create a standalone device with a this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6409">TS</a>]
01:46:52 ◼ ► is what Apple does so when they go to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6412">TS</a>]
01:46:54 ◼ ► new form factor they create a new and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6414">TS</a>]
01:46:56 ◼ ► entirely new interface that is meant to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6416">TS</a>]
01:46:58 ◼ ► be optimal for that form factor and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6418">TS</a>]
01:47:01 ◼ ► from Apple's perspective the right way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6421">TS</a>]
01:47:04 ◼ ► to do VR is to bide your time and wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6424">TS</a>]
01:47:06 ◼ ► until the technology can be put into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6426">TS</a>]
01:47:10 ◼ ► desirable product that you just put over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6430">TS</a>]
01:47:12 ◼ ► your eyes and you've you're using their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6432">TS</a>]
01:47:15 ◼ ► new VR product and it's running a VR OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6435">TS</a>]
01:47:17 ◼ ► but in the meantime Pro users have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6437">TS</a>]
01:47:23 ◼ ► need to do VR now not the consumer users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6443">TS</a>]
01:47:26 ◼ ► for playing games and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6446">TS</a>]
01:47:28 ◼ ► that's not really apples purview but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6448">TS</a>]
01:47:30 ◼ ► like I can totally see you likewise tony [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6450">TS</a>]
01:47:33 ◼ ► has I have one in the house the kid has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6453">TS</a>]
01:47:35 ◼ ► it you know has a VR headset that runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6455">TS</a>]
01:47:38 ◼ ► right now and and people who've you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6458">TS</a>]
01:47:40 ◼ ► can play games and it's kind of cool and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6460">TS</a>]
01:47:41 ◼ ► immersive right um but at a professional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6461">TS</a>]
01:47:44 ◼ ► level somebody's got to make the VR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6464">TS</a>]
01:47:45 ◼ ► stuff and somebody's got to do the work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6465">TS</a>]
01:47:47 ◼ ► and if you assume that Apple just think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6467">TS</a>]
01:47:49 ◼ ► about Apple's own needs internally is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6469">TS</a>]
01:47:51 ◼ ► you know it's widely rumoured that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6471">TS</a>]
01:47:53 ◼ ► has teams working on VR and especially a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6473">TS</a>]
01:47:55 ◼ ► are apples even said publicly that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6475">TS</a>]
01:47:58 ◼ ► they're interested in augmented reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6478">TS</a>]
01:48:00 ◼ ► mm-hmm they what are the what are apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6480">TS</a>]
01:48:06 ◼ ► engineers inside the company using to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6486">TS</a>]
01:48:08 ◼ ► these things that is so super right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6488">TS</a>]
01:48:09 ◼ ► right exactly like if they're gonna be I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6489">TS</a>]
01:48:12 ◼ ► mean I know perfect obviously that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6492">TS</a>]
01:48:14 ◼ ► they're working on AR and VR who would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6494">TS</a>]
01:48:16 ◼ ► you know they'd be dumb not to and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6496">TS</a>]
01:48:18 ◼ ► have these teams of people you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6498">TS</a>]
01:48:20 ◼ ► poking and prodding at it from different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6500">TS</a>]
01:48:22 ◼ ► varying angles trying to figure out is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6502">TS</a>]
01:48:24 ◼ ► this the right way to go is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6504">TS</a>]
01:48:26 ◼ ► right way to go do we build glasses do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6506">TS</a>]
01:48:27 ◼ ► we built this thing to build the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6507">TS</a>]
01:48:29 ◼ ► thing like what the hell are they using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6509">TS</a>]
01:48:30 ◼ ► right hackintosh is probably I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6510">TS</a>]
01:48:33 ◼ ► heard I don't know yeah in recent weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6513">TS</a>]
01:48:35 ◼ ► both both after from a couple people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6515">TS</a>]
01:48:38 ◼ ► after last week's news broke and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6518">TS</a>]
01:48:41 ◼ ► know our stories hit but even in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6521">TS</a>]
01:48:43 ◼ ► weeks leading up to this as I've you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6523">TS</a>]
01:48:45 ◼ ► know after I linked to a thing about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6525">TS</a>]
01:48:47 ◼ ► video editor long time Mac user who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6527">TS</a>]
01:48:51 ◼ ► just just because the GPU situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6531">TS</a>]
01:48:55 ◼ ► didn't meet his needs on Mac I heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6535">TS</a>]
01:48:58 ◼ ► from people within Apple little birdies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6538">TS</a>]
01:49:00 ◼ ► just saying I guess in some ways it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6540">TS</a>]
01:49:03 ◼ ► shitshow and that there have been you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6543">TS</a>]
01:49:04 ◼ ► know people in Apple were like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6544">TS</a>]
01:49:07 ◼ ► requisition the Linux box and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6547">TS</a>]
01:49:10 ◼ ► he's not even going to you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6550">TS</a>]
01:49:12 ◼ ► because it's like apples not even set up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6552">TS</a>]
01:49:13 ◼ ► for things like that to go through like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6553">TS</a>]
01:49:15 ◼ ► for an engineer right to ask for non [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6555">TS</a>]
01:49:17 ◼ ► apple hardware but that it you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6557">TS</a>]
01:49:21 ◼ ► know just different needs within the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6561">TS</a>]
01:49:24 ◼ ► company i mean but AR i didn't heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6564">TS</a>]
01:49:25 ◼ ► from anybody working on they are but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6565">TS</a>]
01:49:27 ◼ ► heard from somebody who's working at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6567">TS</a>]
01:49:28 ◼ ► apple with large data sets let's say and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6568">TS</a>]
01:49:31 ◼ ► that that there is no apple computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6571">TS</a>]
01:49:35 ◼ ► that actually has state-of-the-art for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6575">TS</a>]
01:49:37 ◼ ► for the needs of their work uh-huh which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6577">TS</a>]
01:49:40 ◼ ► is a really weird situation for Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6580">TS</a>]
01:49:43 ◼ ► know I really is like I'd love to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6583">TS</a>]
01:49:45 ◼ ► the POS all right it goes back what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6585">TS</a>]
01:49:47 ◼ ► they ordering what it reminds me of is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6587">TS</a>]
01:49:49 ◼ ► forget the exact details of the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6589">TS</a>]
01:49:51 ◼ ► but that in the early days like 19 83 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6591">TS</a>]
01:49:54 ◼ ► 84 so like when the original mac was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6594">TS</a>]
01:49:57 ◼ ► getting on the cusp of launching they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6597">TS</a>]
01:49:58 ◼ ► added they bought a Cray to do certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6598">TS</a>]
01:50:01 ◼ ► supercomputing needs you know for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6601">TS</a>]
01:50:03 ◼ ► development of the mac which made total [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6603">TS</a>]
01:50:06 ◼ ► sense because you know super computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6606">TS</a>]
01:50:08 ◼ ► were totally different things from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6608">TS</a>]
01:50:09 ◼ ► personal computers for super computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6609">TS</a>]
01:50:11 ◼ ► were at least by the standards of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6611">TS</a>]
01:50:12 ◼ ► day the fastest possible computers money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6612">TS</a>]
01:50:14 ◼ ► could buy and they would cost like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6614">TS</a>]
01:50:15 ◼ ► million dollars or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6615">TS</a>]
01:50:17 ◼ ► and a personal computer was supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6617">TS</a>]
01:50:19 ◼ ► cost two thousand dollars for twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6619">TS</a>]
01:50:21 ◼ ► five hundred dollars or whatever and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6621">TS</a>]
01:50:25 ◼ ► know obviously it was only ran a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6625">TS</a>]
01:50:26 ◼ ► fraction of the power but in recent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6626">TS</a>]
01:50:28 ◼ ► years you know at least certainly for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6628">TS</a>]
01:50:30 ◼ ► the entirety of the mac OS 10 era where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6630">TS</a>]
01:50:33 ◼ ► you know it was a unix workstation you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6633">TS</a>]
01:50:37 ◼ ► know you didn't need to go outside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6637">TS</a>]
01:50:40 ◼ ► company to buy my next work station you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6640">TS</a>]
01:50:43 ◼ ► know and they run into all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6643">TS</a>]
01:50:44 ◼ ► problems where it doesn't you know you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6644">TS</a>]
01:50:46 ◼ ► really have to go down the head like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6646">TS</a>]
01:50:48 ◼ ► said the hackintosh route because just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6648">TS</a>]
01:50:49 ◼ ► buying a linux box to do this doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6649">TS</a>]
01:50:52 ◼ ► let you run xcode and your stuff might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6652">TS</a>]
01:50:54 ◼ ► require xcode in particular not just any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6654">TS</a>]
01:50:56 ◼ ► c compiler or whatever so mm-hmm it's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6656">TS</a>]
01:51:00 ◼ ► you know and then it just think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6660">TS</a>]
01:51:01 ◼ ► anybody outside the company who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6661">TS</a>]
01:51:04 ◼ ► and stuff for the future where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6664">TS</a>]
01:51:06 ◼ ► becomes a much more mass market product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6666">TS</a>]
01:51:09 ◼ ► well the work is being done today that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6669">TS</a>]
01:51:11 ◼ ► laying the groundwork for the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6671">TS</a>]
01:51:16 ◼ ► technologies that everybody just sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6676">TS</a>]
01:51:18 ◼ ► takes for granted like we take for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6678">TS</a>]
01:51:20 ◼ ► granted touch screens and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6680">TS</a>]
01:51:21 ◼ ► else down the chain uh-huh at work is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6681">TS</a>]
01:51:24 ◼ ► going on today and it really is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6684">TS</a>]
01:51:26 ◼ ► suited to the mac pro yeah and it is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6686">TS</a>]
01:51:30 ◼ ► mean the people that are at some point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6690">TS</a>]
01:51:33 ◼ ► you have to think to yourself okay the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6693">TS</a>]
01:51:34 ◼ ► people that are shaping the future of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6694">TS</a>]
01:51:36 ◼ ► computing what tools are they using like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6696">TS</a>]
01:51:39 ◼ ► the shovels are incredibly important I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6699">TS</a>]
01:51:42 ◼ ► mean it's in the startup community you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6702">TS</a>]
01:51:44 ◼ ► know you always have this I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6704">TS</a>]
01:51:45 ◼ ► you know tech in general but startups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6705">TS</a>]
01:51:48 ◼ ► especially yet you have this philosophy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6708">TS</a>]
01:51:50 ◼ ► that you know you'll hear VCS or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6710">TS</a>]
01:51:52 ◼ ► entrepreneurs talk about where they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6712">TS</a>]
01:51:54 ◼ ► you know build the shovels right or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6714">TS</a>]
01:51:56 ◼ ► invest in the shovels because in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6716">TS</a>]
01:51:58 ◼ ► everybody needs a shovel you gotta have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6718">TS</a>]
01:52:00 ◼ ► you gotta dig the hole you got to pour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6720">TS</a>]
01:52:02 ◼ ► the foundation and build your thing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6722">TS</a>]
01:52:03 ◼ ► top of it but if you're the shovel maker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6723">TS</a>]
01:52:05 ◼ ► everybody needs a shovel right right at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6725">TS</a>]
01:52:07 ◼ ► some point either the shovel gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6727">TS</a>]
01:52:08 ◼ ► acquired by somebody who's like I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6728">TS</a>]
01:52:10 ◼ ► did this particular shovel or it gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6730">TS</a>]
01:52:12 ◼ ► widely used in either case is some you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6732">TS</a>]
01:52:15 ◼ ► know a major minor success scenario for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6735">TS</a>]
01:52:17 ◼ ► a start-up and it just goes to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6737">TS</a>]
01:52:21 ◼ ► leasing this line of thinking Apple for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6741">TS</a>]
01:52:23 ◼ ► many years they built the shovels right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6743">TS</a>]
01:52:26 ◼ ► they built the what what you would used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6746">TS</a>]
01:52:28 ◼ ► what were you would launch your thing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6748">TS</a>]
01:52:30 ◼ ► and build your thing on top of but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6750">TS</a>]
01:52:32 ◼ ► also built the shovels and they still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6752">TS</a>]
01:52:34 ◼ ► are a shovel builder to a degree but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6754">TS</a>]
01:52:36 ◼ ► know with Xcode and with you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6756">TS</a>]
01:52:38 ◼ ► macbook pros at all and imax as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6758">TS</a>]
01:52:40 ◼ ► said more and more people are using that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6760">TS</a>]
01:52:41 ◼ ► for things like software development and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6761">TS</a>]
01:52:43 ◼ ► whatnot but if they are if they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6763">TS</a>]
01:52:45 ◼ ► maintain this hold on being the shovel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6765">TS</a>]
01:52:50 ◼ ► builder so people by the shovels and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6770">TS</a>]
01:52:52 ◼ ► they build on top of your platform with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6772">TS</a>]
01:52:53 ◼ ► your shovels and all of that which has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6773">TS</a>]
01:52:55 ◼ ► been a major component of apples success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6775">TS</a>]
01:52:57 ◼ ► with the iphone and everything else then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6777">TS</a>]
01:53:01 ◼ ► you've got to go okay well what's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6781">TS</a>]
01:53:02 ◼ ► next big platform and what are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6782">TS</a>]
01:53:04 ◼ ► shovels for that platform you know if AR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6784">TS</a>]
01:53:07 ◼ ► and VR our in fact you know a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6787">TS</a>]
01:53:10 ◼ ► component of the next era of computing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6790">TS</a>]
01:53:12 ◼ ► and it's not something else then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6792">TS</a>]
01:53:15 ◼ ► you were where your shovels for those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6795">TS</a>]
01:53:18 ◼ ► people and right now they don't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6798">TS</a>]
01:53:20 ◼ ► you know or they have some that sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6800">TS</a>]
01:53:23 ◼ ► work but are not really the ideal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6803">TS</a>]
01:53:24 ◼ ► shovels so no major swath of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6804">TS</a>]
01:53:27 ◼ ► people are really going to consider it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6807">TS</a>]
01:53:29 ◼ ► right now hmm I totally agree with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6809">TS</a>]
01:53:32 ◼ ► I think that's sort of what they tacit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6812">TS</a>]
01:53:35 ◼ ► Lee acknowledged last week which was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6815">TS</a>]
01:53:37 ◼ ► know it was sort of a dual emphasis it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6817">TS</a>]
01:53:39 ◼ ► was conflicting where it was well maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6819">TS</a>]
01:53:42 ◼ ► not conflicting but they they strongly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6822">TS</a>]
01:53:44 ◼ ► emphasized that the needs of most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6824">TS</a>]
01:53:46 ◼ ► their Pro users are met by the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6826">TS</a>]
01:53:48 ◼ ► macbook pros and imacs and even more so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6828">TS</a>]
01:53:51 ◼ ► in the near future as the new macbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6831">TS</a>]
01:53:55 ◼ ► pro form factor gets improved and with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6835">TS</a>]
01:53:58 ◼ ► the imax that they emphasized include [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6838">TS</a>]
01:54:00 ◼ ► quote pro configs um but they realized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6840">TS</a>]
01:54:07 ◼ ► that for what was the phrase a small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6847">TS</a>]
01:54:09 ◼ ► single digit of their users which i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6849">TS</a>]
01:54:14 ◼ ► think means one percent but they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6854">TS</a>]
01:54:17 ◼ ► want to give an exact number but for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6857">TS</a>]
01:54:18 ◼ ► yeah it's got to be close to that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6858">TS</a>]
01:54:20 ◼ ► it's not one it's close to one but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6860">TS</a>]
01:54:22 ◼ ► would say a small single digit of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6862">TS</a>]
01:54:24 ◼ ► users they need something else and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6864">TS</a>]
01:54:28 ◼ ► they're committed to building that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6868">TS</a>]
01:54:30 ◼ ► them that they get it you know and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6870">TS</a>]
01:54:33 ◼ ► they clearly obviously had their eye off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6873">TS</a>]
01:54:36 ◼ ► the ball in recent years on that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6876">TS</a>]
01:54:37 ◼ ► segment of the market yeah i don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6877">TS</a>]
01:54:43 ◼ ► i don't know if it's like everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6883">TS</a>]
01:54:48 ◼ ► so much more open and rapid now i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6888">TS</a>]
01:54:52 ◼ ► i mean i'm casting about a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6892">TS</a>]
01:54:54 ◼ ► here for why but i think that software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6894">TS</a>]
01:54:56 ◼ ► development is a completely different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6896">TS</a>]
01:54:58 ◼ ► ball game now you know where it used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6898">TS</a>]
01:55:00 ◼ ► be you had pipelines that were being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6900">TS</a>]
01:55:02 ◼ ► built and legacy pipelines that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6902">TS</a>]
01:55:04 ◼ ► sort of evolved into newer pipelines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6904">TS</a>]
01:55:07 ◼ ► right and now you have sort of pipelines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6907">TS</a>]
01:55:09 ◼ ► having to be created out of whole cloth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6909">TS</a>]
01:55:10 ◼ ► with in years you know a couple of years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6910">TS</a>]
01:55:13 ◼ ► versus pipelines that evolved over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6913">TS</a>]
01:55:15 ◼ ► decades and i think that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6915">TS</a>]
01:55:17 ◼ ► something there to where it's so quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6917">TS</a>]
01:55:20 ◼ ► you have to like readjust your your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6920">TS</a>]
01:55:22 ◼ ► frame of reference you know and how fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6922">TS</a>]
01:55:25 ◼ ► you got to move on these things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6925">TS</a>]
01:55:28 ◼ ► I don't know maybe it's that on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6928">TS</a>]
01:55:31 ◼ ► meta-level I don't fear anything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6931">TS</a>]
01:55:32 ◼ ► right talk about but the other thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6932">TS</a>]
01:55:34 ◼ ► wanted to talk about was the meta level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6934">TS</a>]
01:55:35 ◼ ► of art our afternoon in cupertino was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6935">TS</a>]
01:55:41 ◼ ► the campus itself like one thing it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6941">TS</a>]
01:55:43 ◼ ► at the old campus it was in a really old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6943">TS</a>]
01:55:46 ◼ ► building across the street from one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6946">TS</a>]
01:55:47 ◼ ► infinite loop across de anza boulevard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6947">TS</a>]
01:55:53 ◼ ► California style with a single story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6953">TS</a>]
01:55:55 ◼ ► office building they did treat us to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6955">TS</a>]
01:55:57 ◼ ► lunch at the new cafe max which I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6957">TS</a>]
01:56:01 ◼ ► even know existed which is sort of cafe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6961">TS</a>]
01:56:06 ◼ ► Alves they call it coffee cafe Alves was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6966">TS</a>]
01:56:09 ◼ ► just a beautiful new building I mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6969">TS</a>]
01:56:11 ◼ ► it's a really impressive architecture so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6971">TS</a>]
01:56:17 ◼ ► that it would struck me about the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6977">TS</a>]
01:56:18 ◼ ► that the cafe Alves is so nice it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6978">TS</a>]
01:56:23 ◼ ► quadruple height ceilings I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6983">TS</a>]
01:56:25 ◼ ► truly a huge space really nice fit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6985">TS</a>]
01:56:29 ◼ ► finish but it also looks very new it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6989">TS</a>]
01:56:30 ◼ ► looks like new Apple you know it did a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6990">TS</a>]
01:56:32 ◼ ► lot of apples campus is obviously very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6992">TS</a>]
01:56:34 ◼ ► old and sort of still it mean predates I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6994">TS</a>]
01:56:37 ◼ ► mean the whole one infinite loop campus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6997">TS</a>]
01:56:38 ◼ ► really predates the return of Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/6998">TS</a>]
01:56:40 ◼ ► and the architecture really kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7000">TS</a>]
01:56:42 ◼ ► looks like it yeah but that they've made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7002">TS</a>]
01:56:46 ◼ ► this very modern new current Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7006">TS</a>]
01:56:49 ◼ ► cafeteria on the old campus which just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7009">TS</a>]
01:56:52 ◼ ► emphasizes what we've been hearing which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7012">TS</a>]
01:56:54 ◼ ► is that yes they're opening this massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7014">TS</a>]
01:56:56 ◼ ► new spaceship campus this year uh but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7016">TS</a>]
01:57:00 ◼ ► that they're not abandoning any any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7020">TS</a>]
01:57:03 ◼ ► the previous office space they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7023">TS</a>]
01:57:05 ◼ ► bursting at the seams right now head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7025">TS</a>]
01:57:07 ◼ ► count yeah they're gonna fill the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7027">TS</a>]
01:57:08 ◼ ► headquarters and still be full at both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7028">TS</a>]
01:57:10 ◼ ► which is some sort of bigger on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7030">TS</a>]
01:57:12 ◼ ► inside thing happening there yeah well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7032">TS</a>]
01:57:14 ◼ ► they still saw the need to build this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7034">TS</a>]
01:57:15 ◼ ► massive new cafeteria or main cafeteria [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7035">TS</a>]
01:57:18 ◼ ► wrong word but cafe I guess but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7038">TS</a>]
01:57:20 ◼ ► thought that was pretty interesting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7040">TS</a>]
01:57:22 ◼ ► in a wheat which somebody asked during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7042">TS</a>]
01:57:24 ◼ ► the event about whether people on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7044">TS</a>]
01:57:27 ◼ ► teams were moving in had moved into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7047">TS</a>]
01:57:30 ◼ ► new campus yet and and it was another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7050">TS</a>]
01:57:32 ◼ ► one of those topics were for whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7052">TS</a>]
01:57:33 ◼ ► reason Apple does not want to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7053">TS</a>]
01:57:35 ◼ ► it they do not want to talk about who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7055">TS</a>]
01:57:37 ◼ ► has moved into the new campus who hasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7057">TS</a>]
01:57:41 ◼ ► anybody is moving in did you get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7061">TS</a>]
01:57:43 ◼ ► sense that they're just yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7063">TS</a>]
01:57:44 ◼ ► there's oh I mean you know give a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7064">TS</a>]
01:57:46 ◼ ► times they're like hey you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7066">TS</a>]
01:57:48 ◼ ► like we don't mind asking but we really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7068">TS</a>]
01:57:50 ◼ ► want to talk about the mac bah blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7070">TS</a>]
01:57:51 ◼ ► and that was one of them and yeah they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7071">TS</a>]
01:57:53 ◼ ► definitely are not interested at all in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7073">TS</a>]
01:57:55 ◼ ► talking about how many people have moved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7075">TS</a>]
01:57:57 ◼ ► which departments have moved which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7077">TS</a>]
01:58:00 ◼ ► departments are moving you know all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7080">TS</a>]
01:58:02 ◼ ► that yeah and I I don't know what state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7082">TS</a>]
01:58:05 ◼ ► it's in I really don't i mean i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7085">TS</a>]
01:58:06 ◼ ► watched those flyover videos every once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7086">TS</a>]
01:58:08 ◼ ► in a while and you can see you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7088">TS</a>]
01:58:13 ◼ ► landscaping is probably the last thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7093">TS</a>]
01:58:15 ◼ ► to be done and it's probably the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7095">TS</a>]
01:58:16 ◼ ► thing remaining but you know for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7096">TS</a>]
01:58:20 ◼ ► whatever reason it was clearly not never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7100">TS</a>]
01:58:22 ◼ ► never on the table that that last week's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7102">TS</a>]
01:58:25 ◼ ► meeting was going to be held on the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7105">TS</a>]
01:58:26 ◼ ► campus even though if you would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7106">TS</a>]
01:58:28 ◼ ► told me a year ago that we'd be having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7108">TS</a>]
01:58:30 ◼ ► interesting roundtable discussion at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7110">TS</a>]
01:58:34 ◼ ► very end of March was it the fit yeah it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7114">TS</a>]
01:58:36 ◼ ► was the very end of or is it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7116">TS</a>]
01:58:37 ◼ ► beginning of vapor I guess it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7117">TS</a>]
01:58:39 ◼ ► beginning of April yeah it was April yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7119">TS</a>]
01:58:40 ◼ ► uh in April 2017 I would have thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7120">TS</a>]
01:58:43 ◼ ► but that's on the new campus yeah no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7123">TS</a>]
01:58:47 ◼ ► think they're still trying to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7127">TS</a>]
01:58:48 ◼ ► everybody's uh work table set up yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7128">TS</a>]
01:58:52 ◼ ► hide the LG logos under under five nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7132">TS</a>]
01:58:57 ◼ ► boys trying to move the routers further [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7137">TS</a>]
01:58:59 ◼ ► away from the LG mine sorry was there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7139">TS</a>]
01:59:05 ◼ ► anything else that you want to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7145">TS</a>]
01:59:06 ◼ ► about before we wrap up no I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7146">TS</a>]
01:59:09 ◼ ► think that covers it I think I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7149">TS</a>]
01:59:11 ◼ ► was an interesting discussion I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7151">TS</a>]
01:59:12 ◼ ► was very interesting to hear them say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7152">TS</a>]
01:59:14 ◼ ► I'm sought we're sorry twice yeah to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7154">TS</a>]
01:59:17 ◼ ► community which come you know honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7157">TS</a>]
01:59:20 ◼ ► that there there's one aspect of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7160">TS</a>]
01:59:23 ◼ ► where people are like yeah well there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7163">TS</a>]
01:59:24 ◼ ► again they never say they're sorry which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7164">TS</a>]
01:59:26 ◼ ► is not totally true they have apologized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7166">TS</a>]
01:59:27 ◼ ► for things but there's also an enormous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7167">TS</a>]
01:59:33 ◼ ► corporation you mean you have to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7173">TS</a>]
01:59:35 ◼ ► about it this way strategically there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7175">TS</a>]
01:59:37 ◼ ► an enormous amount of responsibility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7177">TS</a>]
01:59:38 ◼ ► that a corporation takes on when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7178">TS</a>]
01:59:40 ◼ ► say I'm sorry because they're admitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7180">TS</a>]
01:59:42 ◼ ► some sort of culpability and now this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7182">TS</a>]
01:59:44 ◼ ► not like a consumer harm scenario really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7184">TS</a>]
01:59:46 ◼ ► I mean I'm sure somebody will try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7186">TS</a>]
01:59:48 ◼ ► make an issue of it right at some point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7188">TS</a>]
01:59:50 ◼ ► that's that's not for me to determine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7190">TS</a>]
01:59:52 ◼ ► I'm no I'm no legal analyst in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7192">TS</a>]
01:59:54 ◼ ► but it it's a big statement for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7194">TS</a>]
02:00:00 ◼ ► say we're sorry you know twice in in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7200">TS</a>]
02:00:03 ◼ ► on-the-record discussion like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7203">TS</a>]
02:00:05 ◼ ► not you know try to crib adore ya or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7205">TS</a>]
02:00:09 ◼ ► couldn't you know beyond contextualizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7209">TS</a>]
02:00:12 ◼ ► and of course and trying to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7212">TS</a>]
02:00:13 ◼ ► protector about why it happened and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7213">TS</a>]
02:00:14 ◼ ► that's like a you know that's a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7214">TS</a>]
02:00:16 ◼ ► big ballsy thing to do I think for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7216">TS</a>]
02:00:19 ◼ ► product that is not a disaster it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7219">TS</a>]
02:00:22 ◼ ► disappointment it is something that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7222">TS</a>]
02:00:24 ◼ ► were rightfully proud of when right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7224">TS</a>]
02:00:26 ◼ ► like there's this is not a situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7226">TS</a>]
02:00:28 ◼ ► where we're headed role or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7228">TS</a>]
02:00:30 ◼ ► like that and you know we can laugh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7230">TS</a>]
02:00:32 ◼ ► about shoulders can't innovate anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7232">TS</a>]
02:00:35 ◼ ► my ass it's I mean it's hold maybe all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7235">TS</a>]
02:00:38 ◼ ► different discussion but we don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7238">TS</a>]
02:00:39 ◼ ► we need to argue it is that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7239">TS</a>]
02:00:41 ◼ ► innovative it just was the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7241">TS</a>]
02:00:42 ◼ ► direction for innovation but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7242">TS</a>]
02:00:44 ◼ ► truly an innovative design and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7244">TS</a>]
02:00:49 ◼ ► apologize for disappointing people for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7249">TS</a>]
02:00:51 ◼ ► that I think is different as I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7251">TS</a>]
02:00:52 ◼ ► comparing compare and contrast with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7252">TS</a>]
02:00:55 ◼ ► week's United Airlines fiasco where took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7255">TS</a>]
02:00:58 ◼ ► them 36 hours to to apologize for what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7258">TS</a>]
02:01:02 ◼ ► was literally a disaster where yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7262">TS</a>]
02:01:06 ◼ ► yeah where they issued right right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7266">TS</a>]
02:01:08 ◼ ► before we started recording they issued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7268">TS</a>]
02:01:10 ◼ ► a press release that was pretty good I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7270">TS</a>]
02:01:11 ◼ ► think but should have been the press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7271">TS</a>]
02:01:13 ◼ ► release they issued 36 hours like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7273">TS</a>]
02:01:16 ◼ ► pretty good but right now it's like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7276">TS</a>]
02:01:18 ◼ ► has no and has no impact whatsoever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7278">TS</a>]
02:01:19 ◼ ► right too late you know 36 hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7279">TS</a>]
02:01:22 ◼ ► shooting somebody and then like offering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7282">TS</a>]
02:01:24 ◼ ► them a band-aid and being like oh man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7284">TS</a>]
02:01:26 ◼ ► sorry about that all right like Diddy I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7286">TS</a>]
02:01:27 ◼ ► already have a bottle in me well / PR is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7287">TS</a>]
02:01:31 ◼ ► the analogy to fires is often used with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7291">TS</a>]
02:01:35 ◼ ► PRS that it said you know it's put out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7295">TS</a>]
02:01:37 ◼ ► to put out the fire as the job PR does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7297">TS</a>]
02:01:39 ◼ ► but it's a really get Surrey alee good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7299">TS</a>]
02:01:41 ◼ ► analogy and at at when the story first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7301">TS</a>]
02:01:44 ◼ ► leaked that this poor fellow on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7304">TS</a>]
02:01:46 ◼ ► flight had been bloodied while they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7306">TS</a>]
02:01:49 ◼ ► forcibly removed him and disoriented and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7309">TS</a>]
02:01:51 ◼ ► had a really bad experience it it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7311">TS</a>]
02:01:54 ◼ ► bad it was a fire but it was like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7314">TS</a>]
02:01:56 ◼ ► trashcan fire and they let it they let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7316">TS</a>]
02:01:59 ◼ ► it turn from a trashcan fire into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7319">TS</a>]
02:02:02 ◼ ► house that had burned down fire well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7322">TS</a>]
02:02:05 ◼ ► which can you know like real fires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7325">TS</a>]
02:02:07 ◼ ► happens very quickly it's is why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7327">TS</a>]
02:02:09 ◼ ► need you know PR professionals need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7329">TS</a>]
02:02:13 ◼ ► to go and United certainly blew that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7333">TS</a>]
02:02:16 ◼ ► any just comes to mind when it comes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7336">TS</a>]
02:02:18 ◼ ► apologies that there's a big difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7338">TS</a>]
02:02:20 ◼ ► between apologizing for a man who's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7340">TS</a>]
02:02:22 ◼ ► beaten to a bloody pulp and apologizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7342">TS</a>]
02:02:25 ◼ ► for a rather subtly disappointing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7345">TS</a>]
02:02:29 ◼ ► years-long dawdled down the wrong path [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7349">TS</a>]
02:02:37 ◼ ► engineering and I thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7357">TS</a>]
02:02:38 ◼ ► bridling something that was ultimately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7358">TS</a>]
02:02:40 ◼ ► well executed but served the wrong needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7360">TS</a>]
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02:02:48 ◼ ► this i think they've i think they lost a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7368">TS</a>]
02:02:50 ◼ ► handle on this and didn't quite realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7370">TS</a>]
02:02:52 ◼ ► they had but now they've got a firm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7372">TS</a>]
02:02:54 ◼ ► handle on it again yeah yeah all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7374">TS</a>]
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02:03:02 ◼ ► staff at what's the name of the site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ie_SuvneY/7382">TS</a>]
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