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00:00:05 ◼   ► studio with me and you would think i [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► would i would supply comfortable chairs [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► for my guests and you you know i feel [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► like forcing guests to you skype is like [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► you get like a folding chair that that [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► was that was outside and as like rains [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► come on it you know yeah uh yeah it's [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► nice to be on again oh I I there's a [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► couple of things we have to talk about I [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► guess so as always stuff to talk about [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► but what there's a couple of recent [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► posts that you've had on your 500 ich [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► werde site is that what it's called and [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► no that's the domain yep five hundreds [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► yeah um but you wrote about the the end [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► of virgin virgin america yep can you [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► summarize this and then again you even [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► it's a perfect piece I will put it in [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► the Xolos but it is perfect insofar as [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► you admit that virgin america only flew [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► between a very small number of cities [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► right so there's a large number of [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► people who if you don't live in San [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► Francisco LA or New York you probably [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► haven't flown virgin right and and so [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► yeah so basically you know I'm assuming [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► it by this point because it's been been [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► up like a month or so everyone knows [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► that Alaska Airlines bought virgin [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► america and as a part of that you know [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► they sort of did this whole big branding [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► thing certainly around San Francisco and [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► I assume other cities in which virgin [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► operates or it's sort of like the Alaska [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► plus virgin equals love you know type [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► Brit side marketing campaign and because [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► obviously people were worried when [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► someone else bought virgin america that [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► there would be you know would be the end [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► of virgin america and they were trying [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► to sort of play it up no this is just [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► going to make both sides even better and [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► then whenever it was a few weeks ago [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► they of course announced that they're [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► going to be shutting down the Virgin [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► America brand entirely and you know [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► basically merging the planes and in sort [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► of merging all into one entity which of [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► course I'm sure makes sense for the [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► bottom line that's the reason why [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► they're doing it for cost efficiencies [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► but yeah I mean so people who don't live [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► in one of the city's at virgin [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► services which is I'm not even sure what [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► the current number is but let's say it's [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► 10 maybe 12 or something like that it's [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► not very many still started in San [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► Francisco the company was was [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► headquarters here obviously was famously [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► you know started out of Richard [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► Branson's Virgin Group and so people who [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► don't live in one of those 10 to 15 [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► whatever it is now cities you know sort [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► of don't really understand why people [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► who to live in one of those cities and [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► take virgin regularly are sort of upset [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► about this and the best push back what I [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► found most amusing was on Twitter you [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► know basically saying but Alaska [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► Airlines is such a great airline to and [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► you know I've been on Alaska certainly [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► any flight that goes to sort of the [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► Pacific Northwest and you know that's [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► sort of one of the common carriers and [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► it's fine it's a nice airline you know [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► it's not United sure we get like with [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► that in a second but it's it's fine but [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► it's not virgin america you have to be [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► on a virgin america plane to know what [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► that's like i mean if you think back to [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► when it when it started whenever that [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► was several years back you know the fact [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► that they were all sort of new planes [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► the basic thing that i highlighted it [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► you know in that in that post is i think [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► people don't understand like you got a [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► level of consistency flying virgin [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► america that you don't get with any [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► other airline because it's a total [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► crapshoot with you're gonna get an old [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► rickety plane whether you're gonna get [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► one with like you know still cigarette [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► uh yes praise you know sticker this just [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► do not use under federal law yes and [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► with virgins sort of because it was you [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► know a newer airline they had all the [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► same i think it was a a380 planes known [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► a three it is the big one whatever the [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► whatever the airbus a321 i could might [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► be that yeah maybe there's one of those [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► you know there's sort of standard in [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► smaller airbus flood plains and so they [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► were all that they all had Wi-Fi which [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► at the time you know was was a novelty [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► certainly they all had those televisions [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► in the screen backs not just in first [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► class or anything at all the screens all [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► the seats sorry had that and you had a [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► very consistent experience you knew if [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► you're getting on a virgin america [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► flight it was more likely to be a good [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► flight i mean i'm sure there you know [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► everyone will have a horse story about [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► every airline but it's not like it's not [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► like you hear about united and delta [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► and some of the other ones that are just [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► you know constantly a crummy experience [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► this was this was a definitely a notch [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► above we had them in philly until about [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► two years ago and we lost them we lost [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► virgin during the in aftermath of the [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► American oh the merger usair merger I've [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► told this story before but long story [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► short it's very simple when when US air [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► an American proposed merging one of the [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► problem areas was that it gave the [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► combined airline too many gates at JFK [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► in New York that the eft are the Federal [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► Aviation there's some kind of limit to [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► the percentage of gates that any one [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► airline can have it any Airport and US [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► air and American both had a big presence [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► at JFK and it was too many gates so they [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► had to get rid of some of the gates and [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► virgin decided they would rather take [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► more gates at JFK but leave Philly [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► entirely but and they couldn't keep both [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► because one of the problems of being an [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► airline is it's really hard to get more [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► planes I mean it sounds silly because [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► you think like oh you just buy you know [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► call Boeing up and buy a plane the way [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► right you know I mean like if you and I [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► bought a start at a moving company and [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► and it took off and we needed more [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► trucks we could just go buy more trucks [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► right that's not a problem but in [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► aviation it's a you know you gotta like [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► order an airplane like couple years in [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► advance right now such a long lead time [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► so and so I've been off virgin for a [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► while but I still get the emails like I [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► got the email the other day from Alaska [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► telling me not to worry my points are [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► okay and it's right yeah well I mean [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► we'll see of course you know Alaska's [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► trying to say all the right things you [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► know in there in the sort of press [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► statement about it they said we're going [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► to be sort of bringing the Virgin [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► experience to Alaska flights and so [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► including the humorous a bit about there [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► being mood lighting you know that's one [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► of the that's like the thing they [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► decided to focus on because virgin [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► america sort of famously has this this [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► purple hued mood lighting and so Alaska [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► is going to do that but they're going to [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► have blue mood lighting so it will be [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► it'll be not the exact same but it will [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► be almost as good and we'll see I mean [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► you know they said that that basically [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► nothing was going to change and then of [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► course everything's changing so you know [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► don't have a lot of a lot of hope for it [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► remaining as it was [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► the good news if there is like you know [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► slight good news it's going to take them [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► a long time to sort of phase in and out [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► those changes and so virgin will remain [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► operating for for I think at least like [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► a year maybe a couple years something [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► like that but yeah it'll be it'll be a [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► big change in and as we're seeing this [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► week with the the airline industry this [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► is sort of par for the course just doing [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► anything to to screw over customers I [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► think they only had two or three gates [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► in Philly so it wasn't a lot of flights [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► it wasn't a big presence and it was a [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► small desk for check-in you knows I [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► usually like to people so it's not a [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► fair comparison to like American which [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► dominates Philly um but II every time I [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► every time I could fly virgin I did and [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► I you know they had a great nonstop [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► service between philly and san francisco [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► which was it you know does a very common [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► flight for me for further work every [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► time i could i did and i never once had [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► to wait like that it's just little [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► things like that the people at the desk [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► were like super efficient and nice and [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► you'd get up there and they would be [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► like hey you know and then you'd give [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► him your ID and then they'd you know [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► take your bag if you had a bag to check [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► her or give you it you know and you were [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► gone that was it and you only had no [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► lines a never and good service on the [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► plane my favorite story about virgin was [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► one time also i used to get I got the [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► cheapest upgrades to first-class I don't [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► understand they only had the way every [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► plane I they're probably all the same [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► they only had like eight first class [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► seats it was like to Rosa too young or [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► they still do I guess and every almost [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► every time I flew I could get an upgrade [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► from Coach to first class for like a [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► hundred bucks and I'd be like they're in [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► general the first guy seats I mean [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► weren't super expensive when you compare [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► it to what they are on other airlines so [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► yeah I I flew first class on virgin as a [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► percentage higher than anywhere else and [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► it wasn't because i had the point it was [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► because it was so cheap to upgrade and [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► the service was super terrific the seats [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► were super comfortable but one time I [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► was up in first class and we actually [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► pulled away from the gate a little bit [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► and then all of a sudden there was some [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► kind of not another unpleasant commotion [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► but like some kind of you know thing [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► with the phone and [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► hey hey let's go back and they went back [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► to the gate and some poor sap who had a [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► connecting flight that was late they [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► went back to the gate I'd say it set us [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► back about three minutes they went back [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► to the gate and let this guy on the [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► plane and this bow this guy looked like [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► he won the lottery because you know he [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► didn't ever hear about that I've never [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► seen it before I mean maybe I've never [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► seen it before because i wasn't in first [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► class but i mean i think even in [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► coaching to kind of tell ya if the I've [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► never seen that if the plane stops [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► backing up and goes for her again uh it [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► was a nice thing and I was at before cuz [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► at three minutes what's the difference [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► the three minutes and coming out of it [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► was it coming back from SFO to Philly [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► and so you're probably going to wait [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► times avoiding to take off anyway but [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► for that poor guy who almost missed his [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► flight uh they just it was you know [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► thousands of dollars and happiness for [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► that guy and I was made I've seen I've [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► seen much more of the sort of the [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► opposite version of that story where the [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► get the plane isn't even pushed back [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► from the gate but they just closed the [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► door and they will not open it even [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► though the person's there the plane is [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► still there and the door is closed and [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► so it's just they will not reopen it for [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► those people not with virgin but with [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► like countless other airlines I've seen [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► that yeah and they were like in a head [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► that's the flight attendants were so [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► nice they were like hey hey you're here [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► you're on don't want you don't have to [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► run anymore take your time go find your [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► seat you want us to bring you a drink [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► and they were like he was like this is [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► amazing okay sure yeah you know take a [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► coke you know and it was but to your [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► point that was sort of like that's also [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► definitely a part of sort of the overall [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► experience with virgin and I don't know [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► what it is I don't know if they just if [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► they hired like from a different crop of [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► people in the industry or whatnot but [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► people generally didn't seem to hate [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► their heat their jobs and hate their [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► lives when they're working at virgin [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► whereas they do you know very often it [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► seems like on many other airlines yeah [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► at the big ones and I think Alaska and [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► it's like to your point I would compare [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► Alaska to southwest I haven't flown [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► Alaska a lot I've flown it and I think [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► at least twice to whenever is the XOXO [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► conference in portland right is it [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► coincided with XOXO at least for three [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► years coincided with the tail end of the [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► iphone introduction events in September [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► we're just by somewhat coincidence or I [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► guess not quite total coincidence but [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► Apple targeting like the second week of [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► September for iphone events and XOXO [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► targeting the end of the second week for [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► XOXO at least twice for me to go to XOXO [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► it made more sense to fly out to San [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► Francisco to beginning of the week wait [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► and then fly San Francisco to Portland [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► instead of flying all the way back to [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► Philadelphia and then to Portland um and [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► Alaska was like you know was the best [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► airline you know I had the most flights [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► for that so I flown Alaska at least [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► twice and I would compare it to [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► Southwest it's it's fine it's I mean [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► it's southwest I float it a lot actually [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► and I like it um it's sort of like um [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► you know it's like a nice commuter bus [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► in the sky right because they don't have [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► assigned seats and but you get like sort [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► of these numbers and you stand and then [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► you get on the plane you can just pick [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► whatever seat you want and it's like [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► very simple you know you always I think [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► you always get the same type of plane so [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► that that's sort of a similar experience [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► but again I mean that it's nice but it [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► cannot compare to what virgin virgin [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► america like is like the one that does [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► supposedly which I have not been on yet [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► i wonder if you have is the jet blue [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► mint experience um good we're on I've [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► not been on that okay we do we have jet [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► blue but they don't fly anywhere i go [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► out of philly i think yeah and i think i [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► think San Francisco has jet blue as well [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► but i don't think the mint thing is [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► currently in play or at least it's not [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► like if I would take jetblue's i think [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► i've taken it once before and I've taken [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► it to New York because obviously most [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► the time i would take virgin but i don't [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► think the mint service operates between [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► San Francisco and New York hopefully [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► they changed that maybe with the Virgin [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► news but it's like LA to New York I [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► think has it and people rave about it [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► when they take that they they say it's [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► at least as good as virgin if not better [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► I don't really know you know all the all [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► the perks and everything having that [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► take it before but I guess it's that's [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► one to look forward to potentially hmm [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► and it's just an industry and and I it's [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► you you've made it in your column you [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► made it a sort of comparison to like [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► apple and Dell or something like that [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► maybe ask us maybe more like Lenovo you [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► know where like I think Pat is a nice [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► laptop but it's right it's not and it's [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► not a Mac you know it's it's what [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► happens if somebody really tries to make [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► something [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► really good in an industry where that [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► was fine is generally considered good [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► wow you got really lucky you know my [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► fight was flying it was more or less on [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► time we landed more or less on time and [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► and none of my luggage got lost right I [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► was it was funny we were I was chatting [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► actually with a in our internal work [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► slack with some people about the news [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► and of course everyone's sort of [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► outraged right when it hits and so like [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► there's a long thread going on and that [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► was the thing that I quoted a co-worker [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► mine ken was like you know comparing it [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► to who yes sir did the the pc vs mac [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► thing which i thought would be fun [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► because of course that always you know [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► draws such heated debate on both sides [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► for that and whenever you compare [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► anything to to that situation but i mean [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► i think it does feel fairly apt you know [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► having been myself you know a long time [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► pc user when i was growing up and then [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► switching to the mac and just like i was [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► pc user and it was fine and like I would [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► get a faster pc and sometimes you know [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► windows would break down and and that [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► would suck but when it worked it was [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► fine and then you know it's uh it was a [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► totally different experience once I [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► switched it over and it's I mean do you [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► have air pods on bow bet you do oh yeah [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► I love their rights so I do too it's my [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► favorite my favorite thing in the last [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► few years I think yeah seriously love [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► them so much but that's it n epitomizes [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► what Apple stands for to me which is [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► let's try to make this as nice as [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► possible even if it's so such a simple [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► thing is just putting to your pods [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► engineer and having them just work when [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► you hit play on your phone yeah and just [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► taking it to like just just keep going [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► into tenths of a decimal 99.999% nice [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► 99.999% nice and sweaty grim tale after [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► detail that's the Apple way and and it's [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► not like apples perfect my favorite [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► example from recent years of Apple [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► totally falling short on this is the [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► remote control for the new Apple TV oh [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► yeah right which-- like how does how did [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► this ever come out of Apple as okay [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► because this is so it is fine and it's [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► not you know what I mean and it's not [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► right it's not right [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► like a comcast remote with 127 buttons [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► right right it is Apple like in certain [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► ways but it's totally on Apple like in [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► other ways it's epple like in certain [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► ways although like I feel like everyone [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► who has one has the exact same complaint [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► and that complaint is that you never [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► know if you're holding it right side up [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► or upside down and like how did how did [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► just you know just user testing even [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► with amongst Apple employees how did [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► that not come up i mean that's like the [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► first thing that comes up for everyone [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► right but it to me virgin was shooting [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► for the air pods like experience from [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► check-in to you know getting off the [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► plane that's what virgin still stands [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► for a while they while they exist but [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► and something like Alaska or Southwest [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► which I am a fan of I'm a big fan of so [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► I've flown tons of miles on Southwest I [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► don't anymore just because they've sort [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► of dropped nonstop routes between the [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► cities I go to and I'm as the longer and [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► more I fly the more resistant I am too [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► taking anything other than a non-stop [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► yeah but I really I do like them and I [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► know that they're not luxurious but the [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► main reason i like them is that that [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► they do seem to hire really nice people [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► and the planes are very consistent the [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► southwest plane is always clean and [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► always exactly the same but it's nothing [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► like virgin which is trying to say let's [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► make this really nice let's make being [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► in a coach seat like a decent humane [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► experience and the thing that's really a [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► bummer about it is you know so when [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► Virgin launched I remembered very well [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► in San Francisco there was a lot of pomp [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► and circumstances there is with many [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► sort of Richard Branson affiliated [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► things but you know deservedly so and [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► the whole criticism at the time though [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► was like yeah it's a great experience [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► but they'll never be able to keep this [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► going they're not going to be able to [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► run it profitably and this is just not [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► the way the airline industry works um [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► you know in this day and age and you [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► know I think they were running [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► unprofitable for a long time I do think [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► that they eventually turned a profit or [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► they were very close to it and so there [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► was some hope you know that like look [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► you can actually build an airline with a [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► great experience that actually makes [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► business sense as well and then of [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► course that she's got thrown out the [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► window and they merged I mean and [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► l airlines continue to constantly merge [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► and continue to constantly charge for [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► more things for overhead storage just [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► adding on fee after fee after fee and [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► that's just the you know that's the [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► state of the industry and virgin it [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► seemed like was trying to buck that [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► trend in it ultimately you know just [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► didn't didn't end up doing it we'll see [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► how Alaska sort of takes takes the takes [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► the mantle but that's what's the real [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► bummer about it it just it sort of [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► showcases that I think it just probably [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► can't ever ever work it seems like a lot [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► of people I know and it does make some [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► sense but it's a to me key to the [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► continuing I don't know if I want to say [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► success cuz I'm not quite sure how [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► profitable they are but the continuing [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► dominance of the the major mediocre [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► carriers your Americans Delta's United [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► yet Roe is that they large you know for [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► obvious reasons they they largely depend [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► on regular frequent flyers right and [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► people who once you start racking up [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► points on a certain airline so many [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► you're you're locked in so I don't feel [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► that way I've got platinum see I don't [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► either American i am which is pretty [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► nice and it gets me a couple of perks [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► and I've got miles I can cash in [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► whatever but every time I booked a [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► flight I still search for other airlines [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► just to look and if I found something [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► better cheaper on it on a different [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► airline like I still check to see if [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► Southwest is restored a couple of [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► nonstops to San Francisco every day I [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► look every once in a while like I would [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► think about going back to Southwest on [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► certain flights especially if I kit and [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► and or if I could get a better time a [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► day or something like that yeah I I'm in [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► the same boat as you I am NOT sort of [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► beholden to any sort of point system i [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► have the Virgin points of course but as [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► we just talked about like they didn't go [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► all that many places so obviously I [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► would have to take other airlines all [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► the time and so I think I have rewards [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► programs at all of them and I don't have [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► huge status but I've status that some of [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► them i would say fly quite a bit and but [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► i'm not one of those people who you know [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► is so adamant about maintaining that [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► versus just maintaining a good [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► experience that's [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► I do know people who are the exact [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► opposite i know people who take flights [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► to and from New York City just to [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► maintain their status level like they [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► don't actually they don't actually stay [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► overnight in the city they just do a [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► round trip flight on one day just to be [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► able to maintain their status which [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► sounds absolutely insane I it's just not [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► that important to me and I just don't [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► get that much for it you know like even [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► as a platinum status person on American [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► like I still don't get I still have [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► would have to pay to join their quote [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► unquote Admirals Club to get in separate [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► the lounges like right and I tend not to [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► need lounges because I tend to just fly [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► nonstop from home to my destination my [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► destination to home and the only time I [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► ever really need or wish I had access to [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► a lounge is when my flights delayed if I [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► get to the airport on time and the [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► flight is significantly delayed and I've [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► got you know two or three hours to burn [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► well then it would be nice to be in a [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► lounge you know some places I can get in [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► the amex lounge but other airports don't [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► have one but it's not I don't even get [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► it I have platinum status and I still [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► don't get it so it doesn't make any [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► sense to me why people are so loyal like [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► that but it really does seem to screw [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► the upstart Airlines like they can't [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► that one of the reasons they can't get [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► traction is people I ever heard virgin [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► is nice but I've got points on United so [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► here I go yep yeah it's uh it's it's [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► quite a racket that they that they run [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► and like you know I think you know [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► there's certain other airlines that go [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► internationally that are that are [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► obviously very nice I'm actually getting [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► ready to go to London and I'm going to [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► be on Virgin Atlantic it's sort of [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► sister thing it was like the sister [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► thing but they weren't exactly you know [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► affiliated for a long time two points [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► didn't even transfer I think they do now [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► but I think they set it up that way to [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► make it easier to have happen what [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► actually happened which was Darrell sell [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► one or the other without selling the [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► other yeah Branson wrote like a you know [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► a post-mortem or whatever and you know [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► sort of made some reference to it you [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► know like losing a child and but there [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► was all sorts of issues you know with it [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► with his ownership of it and whether or [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► not he could have [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► actually blocked anything it seems like [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► no and so that's what happened I've [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► never flown virgin atlantic but i would [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► love to and my favorite story about that [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► and it relates to the show is way back [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► in the day when damn benjamin and i were [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► reviewing all the James Bond movies we [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► were talking I know where your yes we're [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► talking about quantum of solace yes I [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► was just going to bring that up yep and [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► uh bond is is on enroute from England to [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► all right oh where was he going [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► somewhere in South America or the [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► Caribbean right yeah cuz he's with them [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► he's with the elder gentleman yeah yeah [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► and then having a drink yeah and and [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► he's bereft and he's he's getting tanked [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► at a there's a bar in the plane and hit [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► with a bartender and he's sitting at the [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► bar drinking Vesper martinis he I don't [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► like 18 of them or something and it's a [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► beautiful-looking bar and dan and I are [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► like it was a cool scene you know and [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► it's it's it's kind of unusual to see [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► bond actually get get Talia he's always [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► drinking but he's all never seems to be [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► drunk and here he is you know drinking [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► himself into a stupor but we're like how [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► unrealistic is it that there is a nice [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► bar on a commercial air flight and then [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► all these people wrote to me like oh no [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► no they have it yeah yeah they were [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► there that was actually shot on a real [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► virgin atlantic it's like oh my god I've [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► gotta get on that line I mean yeah I've [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► been on them that's a hundred percent [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► legitimate they have those bar areas and [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► it's amazing it's not usually as quiet [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► as it was I would say in that scene [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► there's usually much more people or [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► activity around it but yeah that's [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► that's legitimate it's it's pretty [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► amazing that was my fifth was some of my [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► favorite feedback ever we were both like [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► totally preposterous who would ever have [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► a commercial air something like that [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► it's like something out of the 1960s and [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► all these people wrote to us tonight oh [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► yeah it is real and it is not it's [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► fantastic um yeah and the other thing [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► with virgin is so I rarely Virgin [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► Atlantic I rarely take it because it's [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► for what some reason it ends up being [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► it's usually far more expensive than [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► British British Airways and I just we [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► just so happen to find a ticket that was [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► roughly the same price and so we decided [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► book that because you haven't taken [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► virgin but if you ever go to London in [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► Heathrow they have an amazing lounge [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► tunes well it's probably the best lunch [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► I've ever been in including you can get [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► a haircut you can shower you can that's [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► pretty that you save a spa they have all [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► this amazing stuff there the shower [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► would be nice because sometimes for [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► whatever reason when you fly [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► cross-country especially for you because [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► you're coming from the west coast I [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► always feel like it's been like three [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► days since when I get off the plane like [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► in Europe I always feel like man I felt [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► like it was 72 hours yeah yes so yeah I [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► highly recommend that if if you ever [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► going overseas all right let me take a [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► break here and thank our first friend of [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► the show our good friends at Squarespace [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► you guys know Squarespace it's the best [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► place to go to make a website register [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► domain anything like that when you make [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► your next move you're going to need a [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► website why not start it at Squarespace [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► they've got beautiful templates they've [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► got beautiful types of sites to choose [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► from to start so if you're making an [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► online store you can start with a store [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► and then choose a template from there if [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► you're making a podcast you can start [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► with something like a podcast and boom [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► you've got a podcast site you didn't do [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► any work you can host your podcast right [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► there from Squarespace you name the type [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► of site you can build it with [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► squarespace and I say this is what I [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► think is that the resistance people [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► might have to Squarespace is you say [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► well everybody signs up for Squarespace [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► and you choose from a handful of [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► templates and then my sites going to [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► look like a square space site because [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► every it's not like that they've got so [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► many templates to choose from and so [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► many ways to customize them that you [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► don't even know when you're looking at a [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► square space site I was just looking at [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► a I mentioned this on daring fireball [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► last week there's a new cheesesteak [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► place pretty near our place here in [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► Philadelphia called cleavers really [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► great new sandwich shop here I was [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► looking at their website to place to [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► take out order and one of the things you [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► click on to see the menu loaded instead [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► of as a page loaded as a standalone [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► image and I could see the URL I could [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► see it was hosted at Squarespace I was [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► like whoa Annapolis and I've you sourced [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► and look and their whole site which is a [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► really nice site but doesn't look [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► anything like any other site I've ever [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► seen it's very much strongly branded [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► like the restaurant built with [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► squarespace but that makes total sense [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► why would they waste time [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► doing something outside director parties [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► like building a website when they could [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► just do it it's Squarespace and stick to [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► building into great restaurant so keep [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► in mind next time you need a website for [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► anything check out Squarespace go to [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► squarespace com you get a free demo and [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► once you sign up remember this code [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► Gruber just my last name GRU ber and you [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► will get ten percent off your purchase [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► why thanks to them for their continued [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► support of this podcast all right next [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► next item on my list at least is your [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► reaction to the new macbook pros which [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► yeah so um and I know you have thoughts [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► on this as well and you sir the one [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► thing that you link to which I thought [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► was interesting was a few weeks ago sort [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► of a pole right of people how they feel [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► about it and so my general take is [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► pretty straightforward I just I don't [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► hate the touch bar I just think it's [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► totally useless I have a few apps you [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► know that are sort of tailored for it [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► coating things like Pixelmator handful [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► of other things a bunch a bunch more [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► that aren't of course but I honestly [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► just switched the sort of the fluid a [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► setting to be back to just the standard [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► sorta f and or no i didn't sorry i [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► didn't use the the f keys i used the [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► function because i use the actual [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► brightness and all that stuff because i [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► like I just found myself going to that [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► like way way more than I would use any [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► of those sort of dynamic options that [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► the touch bar would off offer and I just [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► I don't I I have a hard time I know it's [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► early but I have a hard time ever seeing [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► that it becomes like this great feature [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► of the macbook pro do you disagree with [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► that uh no I don't disagree I feel like [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► it exists I feel like the touch bar as [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► we have it right now exists in a sort of [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► no-man's land where you cannot I don't [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► think it's fair to trash it i no think [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► it's fair to say this is great I feel [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► like [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► it's it's nuanced now that said I don't [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► own one so I've got that I spent about [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► two or three weeks when they first came [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► out playing out the review units I had [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► multiple of them but mostly spent the [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► time at the 13-inch because that's the [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► size i like and i love touch ID yes I [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► don't use daily hearted I don't use the [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► escape key as much as some people do but [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► I do use it and I do still even now even [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► if somebody who doesn't use the escape [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► key all the time I question whether they [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► should not have left a hardware [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► traditional Escape key and made the [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► touch bar just run from escape have a [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► scape key in the upper left corner the [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► touch ID in the upper right and have the [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► touch bar exist between the two I think [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► right I think that because it would have [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► given it more symmetry as well because [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► it's you know they have one button on [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► one side why not have the escape button [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► even if they change the size of it and [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► made it square sort of like the right [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► touch ideas but make it something you [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► can actually click and I think yet what [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► if I I do feel like just reading Twitter [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► reading feedback from readers and stuff [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► like that I feel like an awful lot of [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► the criticism where the touch bar [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► relates to the Escape key as for the [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► utility of the touch part self it's hard [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► to say I do i do I remember thinking it [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► was really nice to adjust the brightness [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► with the touch bar and I ended I find it [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► I find that so much more tedious [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► honestly to do it that way um you know [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► so here's before I switched it back to [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► being sort of the brightness as as sort [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► of default button so it has like you [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► know brightness and and things like [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► bring up expose and stuff like that you [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► can you there's a setting that you can [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► you know move it to rather than being [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► the dynamic touch bar it's it's sort of [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► your old standard buttons and I did that [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► because I was actually using I think [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► it's when you hit the function the FN [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► key i think that would bring up the old [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► ones and i was just using that all the [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► time because even though there are what [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► there is a brightness button on the [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► dynamic version of the touch bar when [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► you hit it then you yeah then you have [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► to scroll sort of up or down and so [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► often i just want like you know one [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► little nit more of brightness not like i [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► don't need this [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► sort of scrubbing you know to see all [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► the way down all the way up with the [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► difference is it's like one of those [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► features that just seems like a cool [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► option on paper but when you actually [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► use it it's much less useful ma'am so I [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► don't know I I can see the mixed [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► feelings about it I I feel I feel like [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► the biggest thing that it needs is [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► haptic feedback I feel like yeah and I [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► was reminded of it just recently because [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► i I'm I'm I haven't used it a lot [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► because I don't personally have a neat [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► but I'm fascinated by the new clips app [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► and I think it's I think it's really [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► well done even though I realized some of [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► the initial complaint from other people [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► are that they're a little confused by it [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► but I yeah I think it's only confusing [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► at first because its ambitious and tries [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► to do a lot and so there's a lot in [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► there but I feel like everything that [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► they've done once you get it it's pretty [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► logical but the the thing that made me [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► think of the touch bar is when you've [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► got your you've got multiple clips in a [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► project in a row and if you want to [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► rearrange them you you can force touch [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► on one and you get like a little you get [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► the haptic feedback as you drag it along [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► to rearrange clips in the timeline right [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► and it feels like so you want to move [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► the one that's in the fourth spot to the [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► second spot as you drag right between [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► second and third you get a little bit [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► rumbles and you can feel it right yeah [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► you can feel like it's like you're [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► dragging it over physical slots and it's [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► so nice and I just thought boy the touch [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► bar would feel so much better if it had [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► a little bit of feedback like that and [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► that speaks to I think it was a Michael [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► op right who wrote a post about you know [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► the the usability factor of the touch [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► bar because it's almost impossible to [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► use without looking at it which is also [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► very odd right like because that's not [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► what that row of buttons has been for [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► the entire life of a macbook and so to [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► your point like if they had some sort of [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► haptic feedback where you could actually [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► tell what you were doing while still [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► keying on the screen like for scrubbing [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► or doing some other action that would be [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► significantly better than having to look [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► down because you don't know where where [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► you are yeah and I do feel like that's [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► part of it you know like it some of the [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► ones in the middle I almost never used [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► like I don't on a traditional F kero [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► like I don't [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► really I almost never adjust the [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► brightness of my keyboard keyboard you [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► know saying sometimes it's like i'll be [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► on like a dark flight and I'm all right [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► yeah I'll adjust the brightness of my [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► keyboard but i'll just do it once and [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► it's fine for me to be looking at it but [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► for like micro adjustments to the [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► brightness of the screen I I am I can do [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► it without looking just by going up with [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► my left hand to the top left I know when [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► I Escape key is and the next to or [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► brightness and even if I'm wrong even if [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► I go up and I hit brightness up even [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► though I wanted brightness down I can [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► see what happened right away and I know [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► I'm right next door and just slide my [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► finger and yep and do that without [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► looking and I'm I'm with you with that [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► and I'm the exact same way with volume [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► and both of those are now problematic on [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► the touch bar you know if they look nice [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► like that nice you know little scrubber [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► and everything but just I do not like it [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► at all I mean I don't hate hate it but I [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► just don't see like i said i switch back [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► to sort of the the old standards and [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► like you said they're not physical [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► buttons and there's no haptic feedback [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► so they're harder to use so i have to [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► actually pay attention to what i'm doing [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► and then i also i do think i agree that [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► touch ID is by far the best part of it [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► but the weird thing there is that i [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► almost never get to use it because i do [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► have an Apple watch and I'm always [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► wearing the Apple watch and that unlocks [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► faster than the touch ID does so before [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► you can even reach up to the touch ID [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► it's done so there's no point yeah well [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► it's good for purchases or whatever yeah [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► for purchase logging in logging in is [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► the big is you know the money you do i [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► log in an hour you know open it from [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► sleep and login way more frequently than [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► i buy stuff yeah um and so what do you [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► do you why do you think that they did [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► the touch bar because like so part of [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► the thing that I wrote was you know sort [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► of the the title of is a great laptop [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► laptop stagnation the notion being that [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► we've sort of reached peak form factor [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► of the laptop and I know that's [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► dangerous to say for sort of any [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► technology that we've reached peak [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► because there's always going to be some [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► level of innovation and I think I made [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► the equip that maybe we'll have phil [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► schiller on stage saying can innovate [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► anymore my ass [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► when they do something new with it with [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► the macbook but like my only line of [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► thinking is either they're going to one [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► day try to make it a bigger screen area [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► like the keyboard tray be being more [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► maybe like apt 'ok digital keys you know [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► something like that or not even like [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► replacing the entire keyboard but just [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► making that a bigger area you know for [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► for different things that they can [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► dynamically do I mean that has to be [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► some line of thinking right it can't [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► just be this this touch bar which isn't [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► that interesting i guess i don't know [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► but i find it worries him if their goal [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► is to replace hardware keyboard with a [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► virtual keyboard because I I can't see [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► how that would like whatever my I kind [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► of still prefer my older macbook [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► keyboard to the new one the shallow keys [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► yeah cuz in Newark but it's a deeper [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► case but after two or three weeks my [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► feelings we went from I like the old one [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► better too oh I have mixed feelings [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► because I also feel though that my old [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► one they feel loose and jank jank right [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► and resin the new ones even though they [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► have shallower feel so clicking them [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► feels worse because it's shallow but [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► just resting my fingers on them feels [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► better because they don't wiggle around [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► they feel more premium yep and I had a [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► problem at first I had a really weird [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► problem and I can't explain why but the [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► the new keyboards in the macbook and the [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► mac the just plain macbook in the [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► macbook pro yep have bigger keys and [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► less space between the keys the keyboard [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► takes up the exact same amount of area [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► and so the distance between just pick [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► two keys like the center of the a key [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► and the center of the f key r is exactly [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► the same so your fingers resting on the [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► home row are exactly in the same [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► position but for some reason because the [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► keys are bigger I felt for a while like [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► my fingers were spread out more yeah I [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► get that I think that's something I [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► needed to get used to I especially [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► notice it because I use the iPad [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► keyboard all the time and that is those [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► are smaller keys yeah right yeah and so [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► that's when I really notice it and [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► I honestly i think i prefer the ipad [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► keyboard is weird as that sounds I just [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► it's not it's not a perfect keyboard but [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► maybe it is like you're talking about [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► sort of the size of the keys just [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► something about it feels more familiar [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► than typing on the newer keyboards yeah [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► I can kind of see that like you're [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► talking about like the smart key bad [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► yeah everyone I don't believe it's [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► almost like on the smart keyboard cover [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► it it it celebrates the shallowness of [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► the movement whereas on the macbook it's [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► like man I still wish that these keys [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► went in further yes but I can live with [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► that I really read the the difference [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► between my feelings about the new [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► macbook pro keyboard and the previous [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► generation macbook pro keyboard I have [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► thought but the thoughts are much [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► narrower than the thought between what [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► we have now and a hypothetical Virtual [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► Touch bar that was the whole keyboard [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► yeah like well what do you think about [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► this like so the other thing that I that [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► I've chatted with some folks about is [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► the notion of one way that I think they [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► could have alleviated some of the touch [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► bar criticism is like also just putting [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► it at the bottom of the keyboard so in [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► other words keeping the function row [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► that as it was and just adding a new row [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► because like and especially on the [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► macbook so here's the thought here right [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► now they made the the touchpad the touch [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► pad itself right massive it's pretty big [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► now um I think it's bigger than it needs [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► to be for anything and so you could [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► shave that down a little bit and I think [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► if you wanted to do some sort of touch [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► bar type thing put it just above the [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► touchpad and sort of make that the whole [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► touch area especially because apples [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► whole thing as we all know is that [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► they're not going to do a touchscreen [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► macbook imac macbook pro anything and [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► the weirdness of this whole dynamic [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► right now is that they made a touch area [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► that's so close to the screen but isn't [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► the screen and you know they make they [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► have the the famous sort of picture of [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► like you know with a cross out are more [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► like pointing at the screen because it's [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► just not oregano mccreight and it's not [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► that much different in my book to sort [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► of have to go up to this top row and [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► have to sort of manipulate touch [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► that way I would have been much more [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► happy if we're my hands already rest [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► sort of at the bottom you tried to do [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► something with the touch bar and I don't [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► know my I just looking down at my [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► macbook as you say this my problem with [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► that is that my hands would cover it [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► most of the time I think the advantage [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► diving into the top is that you can see [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► it your hands don't cover it whereas [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► this way your hands cover it until you [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► go to look at it but maybe that's okay I [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► don't know if they've if they tinkered [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► without a deer or not but maybe that's [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► okay because it doesn't matter if you [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► see it or not because by the time you go [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► to do something on it you were already [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► moving your hands I don't write [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► especially if you have I mean if they [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► acknowledge that you have to be looking [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► at it to use it already and I just I [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► feel like I don't know I i could see i [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► think some people push back on that like [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► with the notion of what your palms could [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► rest on and could mess it up or [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► something obviously Apple has all the [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► palm detection stuff for the ipad [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► alrighty i'm sure they can figure that [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► out but um I just think like for certain [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► types of things certainly some of the [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► things that they were showing off like [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► the DJing and all that kind of you know [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► fun stuff uh you might not be you know [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► really needing to use the keyboard as [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► much as sort of the touch area to toggle [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► controls and stuff and so in that [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► situation it might make a little bit [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► more sense but I don't know I mean I [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► assume like you said they they may be [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► tried something or thought about it at [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► least and they determined that that [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► wasn't the way to go ma'am I don't know [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► what do you thing about the weight and [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► the size the window size are great I [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► mean it's not so I have right now I have [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► a bunch of machines I've a older macbook [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► pro for that's my work machine that sort [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► of was given to me by the people who [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► dish out computers at work and so that's [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► I think like a two and a half or three [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► year old macbook so an older style [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► macbook pro then I have the macbook the [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► small 13-inch one and then I got the [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► touch touch bar macbook pro and so my [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► other issue there is that while it is [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► obviously more svelte and lighter than [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► the the older macbook pro I have it's [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► not you know anywhere near as light and [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► it's felt as the macbook itself and so [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► if I'm going somewhere where I [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► would want sort of the most portability [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► obviously I know that most people don't [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► have three options of course but when [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► people would ask like well I just want [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► the most poor ability I would say go [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► with the macbook I mean it's it's still [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► the main problem there now is the one [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► USBC port and honestly you know I carry [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► around the dongle of course and it's [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► mildly annoying from time to time but [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► I'm not sure it would be even be that [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► much better if it's just if it had four [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► USB seaports because USBC is still not [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► doesn't seem quite as ubiquitous [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► certainly for the things like I have to [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► you know Lupin things for work all the [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► time and insert a hook up different USB [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► see stuff and I almost always need a [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► converter still so I'm just not sure [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► that that would even sort of alleviate [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► the pain so my biggest problem with the [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► the older macbook and I have the one [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► that's you know came out a couple years [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► ago so it's it's fairly slow but I think [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► a lot of people said that this sort of [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► newer version that came out several [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► months ago is significantly faster so i [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► would go with that one the thing I like [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► the most about it and I think it speaks [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► to your point that we're sort of [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► approaching peak form factor is and it [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► was the to me the part that made my my [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► personal 2014 I think I get mixed up at [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► how old a two-year-old i think i got it [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► in 2014 anyway yeah that makes sense um [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► my 2014 13 inch macbook pro the biggest [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► difference to me and it's it's petty and [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► it has nothing to do with actual [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► computing but it's the ease with which i [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► can open this display that the display [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► just lifts up perfectly and if i want to [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► adjust it slightly i just put one finger [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► on it on the new ones that is and yep [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► and it just it's just absolute the [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► perfect amount of resistance where it [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► never moves if I don't want it to and [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► when I do want to move it it's the least [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► amount of energy possible and it makes [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► my old one feel like it's way too hard [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► and heavy to lift and to me that's it [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► that's the that's the the ideal that the [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► new macbooks have ever more closely [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► approached to I don't know about the [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► regular macbook like when you lift a [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► macbook is it so light that the whole [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► thing lifts up or can you do it yeah [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► it's right that I would say it's a [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► little bit too light for that I still [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► feel the need to sort of [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► yeah like you know weigh it down a [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► little bit while I'm lifting a dollar is [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► the new macbook pros you don't have to [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► do that the new macbook pros even though [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► in theory it's it's worse to be heavier [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► all things considered right they could [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► make one that was every bit as fast and [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► powerful as the macbook yes they would [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► do it they're not going to make it [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► heavier just the Apple is not going to [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► make macbooks heavier just just to make [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► it easier to open them right future but [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► right now I feel like the macbook pros [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► are at this wonderful I deal between the [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► weight of the base where the keyboard in [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► the battery and everything are and the [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► lightness of the display and the ability [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► to lift it up I agree and so right so [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► the form factor is great right it's so [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► great that it's like it's been whittled [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► down to sort of this this uh you know [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► that that level of sort of perfection [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► for exactly what you're talking about [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► what else would they possibly do to it [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► beyond like you know expanding touch bar [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► and doing other things to it but it's [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► like that's the form factor there's my [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► what else are you gonna do to that you [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► can't really change that now no I I [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► don't other than you know and again it's [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► not really changed at a form factor but [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► in theory at some point I presume that [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► they're going to you know it won't be [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► aluminum forever I mean you know I feel [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► like we yes right the macbook still has [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► a decade maybe more ahead of it is it [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► gonna really be aluminum for 20 or 30 [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► years I don't know so new materials you [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► know yep that's basically I do think the [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► form factor is as you know for and for [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► certain tasks it is a wonderful [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► wonderful form factor and I just feel [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► like don't mess with it and I I do [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► wonder there's a part of me that wonders [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► if the touch bar is basically a mess [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► with it for the sake of messing with it [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► freshly right that's exactly what I was [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► basically alluding to in that post um [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► you know they felt like look we're sort [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► of at the perfect storm of two things [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► right now right so what we were just [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► talking about sort of the form factor is [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► we've whittled it down to near [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► perfection right and then on the flip [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► side we have sort of the the CPUs and [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► the internals are basically not getting [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► that much faster now because you know [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► more as Moore's Law is has Sloan down [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► slow down were [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► we're sort of at the point where it's [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► very hard to rationalize a year to year [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► upgrade it's hard to rationalize a two [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► year to year upgrade right for a for a [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► macbook pro because it's just not that [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► much faster than the than what the state [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► of the art was two years ago and so we [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► have those two things coming into play [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► and so when Apple's trying to think [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► about well what do we do this year to [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► get you know to get people excited about [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► potentially buying the new machine you [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► know you can do you can change the [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► colors of it they've done that a little [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► bit of course with some gold and rose [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► gold options and I don't think that that [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► really moves the needle though on uh on [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► making someone purchase a new one and so [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► this touch bar thing it feels like to me [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► that was you know some idea like let's [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► try this you know let's let's see if [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► this is interesting and that's uh that's [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► a dangerous game for Apple to play I [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► think I totally agree and I wonder about [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► and it is clearly to me their most [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► important product I know we just had the [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► whole thing with the mac pro and that [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► there's imax coming out and stuff like [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► that but the macbooks are clearly the [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► bread and butter of the mac lineup you [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► know if they had to cut back for some [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► reason you know that's the last max to [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► go are going to be the macbooks and I [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► wonder you and I have talked about this [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► before and I know a lot of people [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► obviously have different differing [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► thoughts in this but like so the other [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► part I think towards the end of the post [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► I wrote was basically I'm very much in [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► the camp of I would love to just do [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► everything on an iPad I'm milling 19 I'm [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► 95 let's say percent of the way there [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► the problem is that other five percent [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► matters and so I just can't do it yet I [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► would love to be in that camp though are [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► you it and I know you're definitely you [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► know still in the macbook camp but if if [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► they could do if they had full sort of [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► parody maybe not you know not quite as [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► easy to do certain things and vice versa [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► but if they had sort of full parity in [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► terms of functionality would you want to [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► use an iPad more than you use the [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► macbook no I don't think so i think the [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► longer time goes on the less likely i am [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► to use to even want to use an ipad i [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► feel like i have the clarity now and i [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► might I feel like but I don't feel [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► like I speak to the the mass market it's [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► I have so many little things little [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► custom nerd scripts and things that I [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► have set to keyboard shortcuts on my Mac [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► that I can't do on the iPad and that [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► even if I wanted to do through workflow [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► or something like that and i'm a super [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► super happy that apple bought workflow [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► and seems to want to keep it around and [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► maybe they'll integrate it in the OS but [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► like I have a shortcut that it's system [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► wide service that I made so that i can [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► convert it the selected text in any app [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► from mark down to HTML and the key [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► command i made for it is command shift k [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► I don't know why I forget why damn [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► because command ship damn is like [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► minimize windows and so I went to K mark [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► I don't know but I don't even have to [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► think about had to pause to remember it [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► because my fingers just know it and I've [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► had it for years yeah but you know the [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► ipad pros like we were just talking [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► about they cut you know you can get the [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► the keyboard that's with it and they you [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► know they have command + Shift + k still [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► I guess that in theory they could add [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► that they could add stuff to the system [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► software that would enable something [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► like that in theory right but the form [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► factor doesn't speak to me either like [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► last week when I was flying home from [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► San Francisco after the the shindig at [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► cupertino I was at the gate at the [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► terminal and I had a couple just a [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► couple of minutes before they started [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► boarding and somebody dm'd me that I had [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► a typo in a DF post and instead of [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► fixing it on my phone I just I knew I [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► had like a couple minutes I just quick [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► took out my macbook from my backpack [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► opened it and just without even sitting [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► down just held it in the palm of my hand [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► and opened it logged in fixed it shut it [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► put it back my backpack like I don't see [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► how you could do that on an iPad I you [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► could do it but you wouldn't have the [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► hardware keyboard there's no way you can [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► just sit there and stand and [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► connect a hardware keyboard and yeah I [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► get that and and I'm sort of the same [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► way that's one of the sort of five [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► percent thing is definitely on the [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► writing side of things so I actually do [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► a lot of writing on the iPad but I'll [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► sort of right in the in the app Ulysses [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► and then I basically export it to medium [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► or wherever I'm going to publish and I [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► don't publish though from there because [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► I wait to do some of the formatting [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► stuff that I can just I feel like I can [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► just have a much better handle on using [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► on a on a macbook and so I wait to [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► publish until after there but that's [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► that's sort of one of the larger parts [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► of the five percent that is still [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► holding me back but in in my butt in my [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► book i'm sort of i'm quite different i [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► guess from you in that regard because i [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► like my ideal computing experience would [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► be where i could go on a trip not have [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► to take any macbook with me just take [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► the the ipad pro with the keyboard cover [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► and you know i do it right now for short [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► little trips or you know just on a daily [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► basis like if i'm going to just do email [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► or and then do some reading and i go to [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► a sort of local cafe I just love [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► grabbing that thing and walking out the [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► door don't ring a bag it's so it just it [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► just feels like this is the way I want [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► to be doing computing in my life and I [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► don't want to have a you know even as we [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► were just talking about even as felt as [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► the macbooks are now I just there's [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► there's too much going on I like the [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► simplicity of doing everything through [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► the iPad I totally see the appeal of it [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► but it doesn't it just doesn't speak to [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► me and I'd you know and I like I pen but [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► for me and again i'm a big proponent i [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► have been for years fighting against the [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► argument that it's fundamentally only [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► good for consumption and not for [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► creation i've argued it but for me [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► personally that actually is very true [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► that I i tend to use it I actually have [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► left the cover of mine for a while now [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► and I just have it with no cover and I [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► read tons on it and I read lots of [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► Twitter and I bookmark things to post [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► the daring fireball later from a [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► different machine from it but it's I [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► tend not to do any actual typing on it [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► but I can see the appeal I totally see [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► the appeal and I would totally see the [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► appeal for long-form writing too I feel [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► like the longer the thing you're writing [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► the more the more pleasant it is and [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► like when I wrote like I [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► did I enjoyed writing my review of the [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► ipad pro on the ipad pro because it was [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► long review uh and I do kind of like [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► that it is naturally distraction-free I [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► find I never used the distraction free [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► full screen modes on the mac for any app [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► ever because I find that it's just just [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► gets in a way when I want to get out of [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► it whereas on the iPad it's totally [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► natural it's you know and I'm a big [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► believer net in general I feel anything [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► you tack on to a system afterwards is [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► never as good as if it was there from [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► the beginning so full screen mode on the [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► mac to me I use it for video and that's [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► about it but otherwise to me it feels [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► tacked on because the mac wasn't [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► designed at the start it was designed to [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► have everything windows that are [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► overlapping you can drag around whereas [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► the ipad was designed from the ground up [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► to have full screen apps yeah I mean I [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► so I do a lot of it you know anything [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► that i write basically like you said [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► sort of that's that's longer than just a [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► blurb or something like that i try to do [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► on the ipad and I just it's something [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► about it reminds me of like when I was a [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► kid growing up going to my father's [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► office and like they had typewriters and [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► just using the typewriter right i mean i [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► know it's obviously very different but [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► something about this focus thing and [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► it's almost like you know there's a [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► there's a blank sheet of paper in front [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► of you and the words are magically [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► appearing on it m and it most things in [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► my life most things in my life are that [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► I'm in control of our complete mess like [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► my desk is usually just a complete Andy [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► Rooney style mess of papers and odd [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► objects and boxes and it all sorts of [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► stuff so I like lots of things I have [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► her a complete mess other things though [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► I try to keep obsessively neat and like [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► the daring fireball homepage would be a [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► fine example there's no clutter you know [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► I aspire to that I wish that I had the [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► organizational ability and the the [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► wherewithal to have everything in my [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► life be like that I I when I see [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► pictures of people who have lived these [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► minimal offices I covet them I do I see [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► the appeal and I do I look at my mac [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► with all of these windows like if i go [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► to expose or whatever and see how many [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► apps i have running and how many windows [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► are actually overlapping sometimes my [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► mac looks like a mess and i do I like [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► the way that the ipad even if you open a [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► second [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► I love how neat it is that if you have [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► like message the messages app on the [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► right in a narrow iphone with column [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► your other thing whether it's Safari or [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► your writing app in a square to the left [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► of it I love how neatly that's organized [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► where there's no overlap there's no [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► shadows from windows showing depth it's [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► just to uh rectangles perfectly aligned [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► I love that and I can see how that is [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► soothing mentally soothing to people and [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► an appealing um since it's sort of the [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► perfect segue and night might not be [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► much to talk about but just curious like [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► so obviously apple released the sort of [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► you know though the cheaper ipad version [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► but they didn't do anything you know as [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► was rumored by many various sites for [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► actual new ipad hardware and so are a [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► presume now were there were at the end [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► of april we're not going to see any sort [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► of event before WWDC so do they do that [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► at wwc do they wait for the fall I don't [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► know it is it's very intriguing to me [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► that the supply chain rumor mill seemed [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► to think it was going to happen you know [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► right like neither last month or the you [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► know the first week of April or [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► something like that and i agree with you [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► i don't i don't eat and I don't hear any [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► rumblings to the ground that there's [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► anything coming before WWDC so I almost [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► feel like it's something that maybe [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► they've successfully kept under wraps so [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► it could happen at WWDC but if they wait [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► into the fall I almost feel like they've [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► got to wait till October because it [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► sounds like after I phone right because [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► I don't think they'd want to share the [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► stage with iPhone because it sounds like [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► they've got a very exciting iphone to [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► unveil and right if it's on schedule [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► it'll be like the second week of [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► September as I said before I mean [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► they've they've been pretty consistent [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► on that for three or four years and I [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► don't think they'd want to share the [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► stage but they could in theory you know [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► it may not be it may come naturally if [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► there's you know like a shared design [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► language of a more edge-to-edge display [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► it could make sense to unveil them side [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► by side I don't know but it would make [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► more sense to me if they did I phones in [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► September and iPads in October and you [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► but you don't think that they would do [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► it at WWDC I guess they could but it [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► depends how much these new iPads which [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► at least some of the you know one of [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► them is rumored to be a more [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► edge-to-edge display where the right you [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► know that the 9.7 inch iPad is still [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► going to be nine point seven inches as a [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► device but that the screen will be 10 [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► points something inches instead of nine [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► point seven inches because it's going to [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► take up more of the front face but that [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► sounds to me like what the rumor is for [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► the iphone and if right and they don't [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► want to they don't want to spoil it [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► right that they want the i reveal come [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► out first right but is that am i [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► overthinking it am i overthinking there [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► you know willingness to just let the [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► product that's ready to ship first ship [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► first whether it's the iphone or not I [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► don't know yeah and if there was some [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► sort of marquee feature in iOS 11 you [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► know that was sort of ipad rhyme or ipad [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► focused maybe but yeah there hasn't been [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► much rumors about iOS 11 at all no even [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► though we're fairly close which is [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► interesting but well other than the fact [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► that there for a while i don't know if [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► you've noticed this but I've heard [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► rumors for a while that months ago I [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► guess more or less when Iowa's 10 came [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► out last WWDC there after the event was [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► over there were rumors beforehand that [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► that Apple might unveil some iPad [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► specific ipad pro specific features you [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► know and that the keynote came and went [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► and there were none and then in the [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► aftermath the word was well that got [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► punted from ten point oh but it's going [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► to come in like 10.2 or something 10.2 [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► over 8.3 but we've gotten to 10.3 and it [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► didn't happen and there's not going to [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► be a 10.4 between now and June because I [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► you know All Hands are working on iOS 11 [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► so whether that ships in iOS 11.0 or not [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► or get punted once again to the first [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► big update you know in december or [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► january of 11.2 I [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► no but that's the way week but there [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► have been recent like this time last [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► year that they [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► year that they [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► have Pro specific improvements to the OS [TS]

01:00:04 ◼   ► for multitasking and stuff like that and [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► if that is the case and we may have just [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► answer a riddle right that they would [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► they would launch that and presumably [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► they would want to have new iPad pro [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► hardware to show whatever that [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► functionality is off since the ipad pro [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► would be relatively old at that point [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► right over a year between iterations [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► right well and the the 12-inch one the [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► 13-inch one would be a year and yeah [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► really oh really alright at this point [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► um I don't know but I mean both of them [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► launched with I feel a lot of headroom [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► to wait for the next version because [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► they really are pretty fast for ipads I [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► mean I've you know they're both you know [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► faster than I don't know if they're [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► faster than the current macbook but i [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► think they are and they're certainly [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► faster than the macbook that you're [TS]

01:00:49 ◼   ► talking about the original macbook with [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► one port I mean that's how fast they are [TS]