Roderick on the Line

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00:00:19 ◼   ► hello hi John hi moon how's it going Oh [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► super duper might tell you something at [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► the outset oh yeah lets your have an [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► important public service announcement [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► for you this never happens yeah so if I [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► edited the show I would cut this out but [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► five or so days ago my mac started [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► suddenly dying like as in it was the [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► equivalent of like basically if you just [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► pulled out the plug did we stop oh wow [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► yeah there's winches us as we say in the [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► woke Twitter community it's problematic [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► does that a bug or a feature yeah sure [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► yeah well here's the thing long story [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► short i'm pretty sure it's probably the [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► power supply for a variety of reasons [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► including that it takes about five days [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► to get an appointment to drop your mac [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► off to be looked at i've been doing lots [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► of uh like crazy monkey stuff trying to [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► like figure if i can troubleshoot it [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► myself I think I've ice you know it's [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► this is real medieval stuff basically [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► I've tried unplugging everything I've [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► reset everything I've done many many [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► things and it appears so far that your [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► computer guy well I used to be sure it [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► appears that if I don't as long as i [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► don't use a certain keyboard it stays up [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► for at least 36 hours ok i just i here's [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► the thing i love our relationship I [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► think it's a strong relationship but if [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► for some reason i suddenly stop talking [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► and go hey it might be because the imac [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► one day I have will nap I understand [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► maybe get sleepy get sleepy you know [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► yeah does well I had it better for over [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► a year it's been pretty tired I have a [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► couple of questions hmm yes you there is [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► a technical question well a couple I [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► mean for question number one when I [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► first met you you had a lot of computers [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► yeah yeah had a computer over here you [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► had a computer over there yet a computer [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► here you had one under the desk a talk [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► to Arab mm-hmm right um how many [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► computers are you like are when you say [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► my computer you down to a computer [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► that's a very it's a very very good [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► question yeah you met [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► at a time when I had I believe when we [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► first started hanging out when we had [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► our important last weekend where you me [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► and Sean made the long winters website [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► it was I had my desktop Mac which I [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► think at that point was still my big [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► blue and white g through Yosemite I had [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► a windows pc on a plank that i was using [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► to do cold fusion development and I [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► probably was yes I was definitely still [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► using my powerbook from the late [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► nineties it wasn't their computer [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► running in the background doing SETI [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► Research mm-hmm Oh yet still looking [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► yeah I think thing is when you and I [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► first met when we we ah that does you [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► know you can you can cut this out now [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► but I think your main computer was a pc [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► and you had just recently purchased an [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► apple that you were experimenting what [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► that is an impression that is very [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► understandable um uh no actually i've [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► been using a mac since 1987 it's how i [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► learned how to use a computer and my [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► first job be job and I you know I [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► eventually got a mac in college and one [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► of the lower end mak sae with me drives [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► learn on a apple 2e no no I hated [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► computers hey did computers I somewhat [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► famously in the mythology dropped music [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► theory when I was a senior and moved him [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► to stage man to play guitar I hated it I [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► didn't understand basic I thought it was [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► stupid but no I'm the the thing was I [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► had even I had my total amount of time [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► until about two thousand one my total [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► amount of time ever on a on a PC would [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► probably be less than two hours ever Wow [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► but there this long stories a boring [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► story but basically there's this [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► development environment that was much [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► easier to do on a pc so my boss gave me [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► a janky ass five year old pc to do this [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► on oh icic but you know what the thing [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► here's the thing that's really changed [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► is you used to really have to have a [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► computer because that's where your stuff [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► lived and you know it's it was where [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► that everything you think of book you're [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► obviously your files and your [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► applications you know if you wanted to [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► have another copy of word on another [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► computer you bought another copy of word [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► and you move around the floppy disk or [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► eventually network drives but no i mean [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► like we make jokes about the cloud but [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► like honestly it's it's amazing how much [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► stuff i can do on any device and there's [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► and that's actually I think I think we [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► kid but I think that stuff that actually [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► has gotten on Apple's and has gotten a [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► lot better hmm the dying imac it's [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► probably my fault i'm probably using it [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► wrong but i holding it wrong okay now [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► here's another question yes about your [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► hygiene computer hygiene do you just [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► leave it on all the time if you turn it [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► off I do there was a time when it was [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► believed there's so many things there [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► just based on you ever heard this an [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► ulcer I heard from John Syracuse you [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► ever heard the old story about cutting [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► the ends off the roast um the story goes [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► the story goes that that someone in the [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► house is preparing a roast and we've got [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► the ends off the roast the story already [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► don't cut the ends off the roadway cut [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► the ends off the roast and and and then [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► the other person the younger person that [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► perhaps the child says you know hey why [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► do you cut the ends off the rose and say [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► I cut the ends off the rest because my [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► mom cut the ends off the roast and you [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► go it says its ends the roast all the [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► way down until you eventually discover [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► the original roast cutter did it because [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► he only had a small pan and would make [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► it Oh Sees not a good story see that's a [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► good story good story there's all kinds [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► of cutting the ends off the rest things [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► the computer users have done for years [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► that don't even really make that says I [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► mean how many times have you been [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► somewhere and you see people in line if [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► they're not playing a facebook game or [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► something they're they're quitting apps [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► like you don't need to quit apps on your [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► phone but people think that's a thing [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► you should do you have to do that you [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► don't have to do that um got a pan you [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► got a pan big enough to hold the roast [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► okay yes the pan the pan has says has [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► gotten bigger and so one of that one of [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► the pieces of conventional wisdom back [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► in my day was you should turn off the [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► computer at night it saves energy it [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► increases the lifetime of the computer [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► and then of course you get as we call in [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► the business it turns out where people [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► say no actually it takes more energy and [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► we're on the computer to restart and I [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► don't know if any of it was true but [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► they're so energy efficient today and [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► they do so much in the background that [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► I think it you know just paisa leave [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► them on yeah well I mean you know what [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► did they say that it it ends up using [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► more energy to to wash your hands and it [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► does just to cure meningitis oh my [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► goodness is that it's that recent [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► scholarship John yeah I think it is I [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► had no idea Jimenez is a big problem it [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► really is and it comes from not watching [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► your hands oh my goodness i I've gone [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► through a whole renaissance of washing [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► my hands again I'm back on the hand [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► washing oh good good good no I never [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► left it I really ok I see I feel like [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► this is something where you peg people [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► as OCD but like once you've had a kid [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► and like in our case we were so freaked [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► out we had several autumn if you [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► remember we had several hand sanitizer [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► stationed around the house for when [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► people would arrive but you know I can I [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► feel like this is anecdotal this might [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► be cutting the ends off the roast but my [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► kid went to a preschool we're washing [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► hands was part of everything that they [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► do always were washing hands and she got [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► a lot fewer colds now today you go on a [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► field trip the kids have been touching [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► trees and railings like monsters and [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► they just shove a sandwich in there [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► gaping mom Oh God you know you get that [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► we get that Dutch elm disease from that [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► is that what happens is that yeah which [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► is worse is that or meningitis is worse [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► you touch a tree okay you just say you [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► cram a sandwich into your mouth with [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► your tree gummy hands you get Dutch elm [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► disease right away I think that's way [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► worse than it sounds terrible or like [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► that zombie ant thing where do you get a [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► tree beetle infestation Oh are there are [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► instances that you can think of in your [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► own life that you have cut the ends off [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► the roast oh yeah yeah yeah there's tons [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► of stuff in technology and there's just [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► tons of stuff like you know I guess the [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► word would be superstition that's too [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► strong a word but it's something we're [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► like there's this thing we do okay how [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► about this do you do well you probably [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► do this with your truck but warming the [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► car up it used to be more sure do it get [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► the bane of everyone in my family [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► because we get out of the truck room [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► I'll turn it up sit there for 18 minutes [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► and everyone's like let's go right well [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► and you figure you here in our language [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► today like you say well I take the car [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► in for a tune-up well you probably don't [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► need to take your car you do but like [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► you don't need to take most cars in for [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► a tune up because there's [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► thing to tune up in the conventional [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► sense right that's right we often do you [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► say like so like you want to show you [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► ever do you still say like I'm gonna [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► take that show no cuz you know tape [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► things I don't take things but or like [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► you know you you might say you're going [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► to tape something when you're shooting a [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► video on your phone some people still [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► say i'm working on a record yeah how [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► many grams of vinyl I loved your new [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► record yeah you know I heard like one [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► track on a email yeah in in music all [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► the time I mean I catch myself doing [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► things patterns that I learned in the [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► very earliest days of picking up the [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► guitar the little boxes and shapes that [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► I learned that I should have unlearned a [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► thousand years ago I sent it I sent an [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► email the other day I'm sorry a text I [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► started a text thread that included Ted [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► Leo aimee mann jonathan coulton a couple [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► other guitar playing ding-a-lings and I [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► said Jimbo's a couple of these people [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► and I said how do you fret how do you [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► Fred a G chord how do you make a G chord [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► hmm so open G just an open G chord in [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► some senses the simplest chord open Jean [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► my favorite cord and of the seven people [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► on the thread I got back seven answers [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► what Oh different and it started a huge [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► argument between between all these [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► accomplished guitar players who have [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► been playing guitar for 30 years in most [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► cases and they're all like you play a G [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► chord like that that's done that's the [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► you know me and the décor where I play [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► it backwards cheetor it seems like a [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► non-controversial chord where the main [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► thing is do you include the extra BCD do [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► you include the extra d on the B string [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► that that was one of the things one of [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► the major bones of contention I think [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► you you you do don't you I do as a as a [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► diddle but i don't i don't now like I [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► think Ted plays the D in the G every [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► Oh interesting I said I woulda guessed [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► he does I would see him doing more like [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► a power cord well yeah except peas [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► theatre PG in the deion en a string he's [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► mr. jingle jangle yeah it's true now i [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► guess but uh like I always play the the [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► low G I always prep the E string on the [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► G in my c cords oh I know I learned that [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► from you and I never looked back yeah [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► I've never played this changes [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► everything but uh but so G chord rhett [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► and the reason I asked it the reason I [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► sent it out there was I was I was [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► playing my g as I do and I and I became [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► self-conscious about it because it's [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► like the I Fred it the ultimate sort of [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► cowboy like day one of your guitar [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► lessons way just the basic gist kind of [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► don g chord yeah and it and it felt [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► unsophisticated to me all of us but it's [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► so pure it was just like it's on an [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► acoustic guitar so many open strings [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► it's us a perfect chord yeah but it just [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► felt like herpaderp so I so I asked all [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► my friends I was like what do you guys [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► do and you know like Jonathan Coulton [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► has this whole this whole philosophy of [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► a G store over G chord that I'm the way [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► he frets it involves like muting strings [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► with the with the fat part of his [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► fingers and and he keeps himself like he [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► keeps the cord wide open so he can do [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► all these little Jackson Browne tweeny [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► twang at ease with his other features [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► like surfing he likes to fogelberg it up [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► yeah he's he's fronting it basically [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► with his pinky on the top and his thumb [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► on the bottom I don't remember how he [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► did it but I will she do the [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► reach-around yeah it was very [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► contrasting and everybody was like [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► cushaw but he had that smug you know [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► yale music degree kind of say John [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► typical typical Yeah right right now so [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► anyways all by way of saying when I sit [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► down at the piano or when I sit at the [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► guitar which you don't actually sit and [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► we can yeah you can get where those [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► fruity little stools and put your foot [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► up in the air it was the guy that who's [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► the [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► blond guy about our age that played [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► guitar like flipped up uh-huh or like [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► how did he play it he he was like in the [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► 80s kind of like a bluesy rock guy [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► blanket r-jefferson blunt guitar it [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► wasn't black tar Jeffers and it might [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► have been might have been a blind willie [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► stewpot uh-huh right right right or he [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► might be a blind blind Jimmy bindle pack [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► he's yet bindle packs he's from the long [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► line of bendel packs the facebook [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► investors the twins the patch tool [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► there's still millionaires I don't feel [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► sorry for them they're all about the [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► Bitcoin now is that right mmm wait a [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► minute do you own a Bitcoin uh I don't [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► know hmm what does it talk about these [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► things oh icici it's a cryptocurrency [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► isn't it one of those things like my dad [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► used to get paid in in like a Aleutian [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► art and and like you was get it's like [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► it's a fur Confederate script if it's [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► like the barter instead of giving you [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► kicking people pay you and bake gonna [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► have a Confederate scrip but I'm telling [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► you buddy it's looking like a not make a [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► comeback Jefferson Davis and so so any [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► support all these things that were like [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► some guy wrote out on a piece of [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► notebook paper like here's the blues [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► scale then I went home and I was like I [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► own a Marilyn a blues scale and I still [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► fucking play at every single day the [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► exact I never learned anything else [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► everybody's got a funny compulsive thing [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► that they do you know my compulsive [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► thing with little hammer on see you know [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► the little walk up that's so good they i [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► know i love the little walk that's when [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► i'm playing my little guitar ukulele [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► which is the main guitar that i play [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► when i'm just sitting around thinking [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► i'll do that or i'll do the basic box [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► where you slide from them i'll do an a [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► pentatonic where you do like a slide [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► from GA do do do do do and I'll do that [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► little bend over the fifth no compulsive [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► thing you know everything everybody's [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► got this they've got those little like [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► yeah compulsive things I just recently [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► started arranging my dishwasher in a new [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► configuration than this is a huge this [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► is a big deal it's a big deal i don't i [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► don't like it but we all know what did [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► come out of a reason or you just felt [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► like you needed a change yeah I just I [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► you know I didn't want to be one of [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► those guys that I ranges his dishwasher [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► the same way for the rest of his life [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► good for you John yeah so I started [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► doing it a different way and it's a it's [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► a radically different way it's going [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► across the grain mmm and there's a part [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► of me that feels like mmm this couldn't [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► work this can't work but I still I mean [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► that there's no there's no wasted space [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► in the dishwasher and I still managed to [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► get all the typical it's not like I have [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► a bunch of leftover dishes hmm so it's [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► working but i'm i'm still does it feel [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► wrong i'm just on pins and needles about [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► it it's like changing the way you wipe [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► some of those things were like you as [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► you feel like there's an improvement to [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► the system it still feels wrong it feels [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► like you're at cross purposes with [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► everything you know we know the [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► apparently many many many years ago i [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► encountered some little skirmish in the [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► toilet paper roll wars mm-hmm where it [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► was it was presented to me as a choice [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► that you can either put the toilet paper [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► roll on top feeding or bottom feeding [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► yep and it was given to me that the [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► majority used the top feeding method and [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► so in order I mean mine my native [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► response to that was to be to take the [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► road less traveled by and that has made [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► all the difference and so I put it on [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► bottom rolling now because two rolls [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► diverted in a wood that's right not [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► because I preferred it not because I [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► cared one way or the other because [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► nothing could be more insignificant yeah [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► but I just did it that way and then I [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► posted a picture the other day of my [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► toilet paper rolls somehow on the on the [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► internet and I got all this blowback all [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► this like you know you're doing it wrong [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► yeah all that you're doing it wrong [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► voices echoing out of the well actually [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► and I never heard a single person say [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► thank goodness a man standing up for [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► justice and so now I feel I'm in a [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► posture like the last time I change the [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► toilet paper rolls [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► put him on top over not because I [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► succumbed to peer pressure but because I [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► was wondering if there was some [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► technological reason if there was some [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► massive improvement in though in the the [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► way that this toilet paper was going to [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► perform and so now I've been dealing [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► with this sort of over-the-top stuff and [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► I'm trying to figure out like am I am I [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► doing this better am I am I more [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► refreshed when i leave the the the water [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► closet am i do I go about my day with [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► more of us bring in my step it's really [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► hard to discern in such a short short [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► amount of time but it doesn't feel right [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► yeah i mean i used to have feelings [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► about this you know there's just been [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► there's been so many minor differences [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► that the world and the internet in [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► particular chooses to have a obsession [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► about i mean you get the whole like [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► pineapple on pizza there's all these [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► different things that have zero impact [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► and that seems to make them all the more [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► important yeah I yeah I don't know I'd [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► apple on one kind of pizza let's agree [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► hmm well it's all green pineapple it's [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► all Hawaiian style pizza yeah if you if [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► you order that you get you get pineapple [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► on it there it is it's the end oh [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► interesting mekka lekka hi mekka hiney [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► ho right yeah Oh wah wah wah wah oh look [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► like it took a look like a look okay I [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► was not really insensitive of me I was [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► thinking about this the other day yes [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► the degree this was this was very [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► confusing to me at first but then I [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► thought that I thought that I found a [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► way out of the jungle which was that I [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► was reflecting on Noam Chomsky mm-hmm [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► and I was reflecting on the fact that [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► you know I i liked not liked you can't [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► say that you like Noam Chomsky but I did [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► a deep dive on Noam Chomsky during the [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► time that we all did back in art back in [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► our 20s in and and my experience of Noam [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► Chomsky was that there was nothing he [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► said that that you could point a finger [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► at and say I just you know that's wrong [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► right i mean everything he said [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► conformed to my own beliefs and and [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► supported my own suspicions and you know [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► confirmed kind of my vision of the world [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► and I didn't I I agreed with noam [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► chomsky all the way down but still it [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► seemed that Noam Chomsky was wrong like [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► he was you couldn't point at anything [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► like all of his proofs were correct and [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► yet still in the aggregate from the from [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► a mile high he was just he was just [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► wrong like anarcho-syndicalism or [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► whatever is not the solution and and I [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► and I was you know kind of chewing on [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► this because it seems like a it seems [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► like it would be it was I was trying to [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► figure out how that was some insight [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► into now and I realized that or I didn't [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► realize but I but then I started [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► thinking about how in math and in [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► science you people will pursue these [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► elegant solutions to problems and the [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► solution will be this beautiful thing [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► that that is right absolutely right all [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► the way through it and then at the very [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► end it is not correct right it doesn't [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► solve for x and the mathematician goes [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► back to the drawing board and and a lot [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► of times is a lot of times they waste [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► years because it the thing they're [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► working on is so beautiful and so true [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► that they can't abandon it and it and it [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► started to just sort of start spin in my [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► head that in the sciences where we're [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► able at least at the end to to examine [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► the thing that is that is beautiful and [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► if it doesn't work we have to throw it [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► away even even in spite of its beauty or [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► we keep certain parts of it but but we [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► have to we have to acknowledge that it [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► it it isn't true and in the social [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► sciences and Impala [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► we can pursue these ideas these like [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► tallies towering sort of formations of [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► ideas and they feel true and they seem [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► true and they all sort of logically [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► follow but at the end we don't have that [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► you know that the anna and i think it's [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► not that there isn't a true answer it's [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► just that we don't have the technology [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► right now the intelligence or the [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► technology to discern what the true [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► answer is in in the science and the [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► social sciences are in politics right we [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► just can't see it and you know a [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► thousand years from now or even two [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► hundred years from now it may be [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► possible to see that the true answers [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► there but now they're just still sort of [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► like oh its sources all the way down or [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► you know the the stars in the sky are [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► pinpricks in the fabric and so we follow [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► these elegant solutions and we see these [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► beautiful sort of you know elaborate [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► thought storms and we say this must be [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► true and when we when we apply them to [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► the world and they don't work and they [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► you know they like they utterly fail in [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► a lot of cases to actually describe [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► reality or to be useful we can't abandon [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► them because we because that isn't [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► there's no control group large enough [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► for there's you know there isn't that [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► that arrival at like does this solve the [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► problem absolutely not no it's always a [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► question of does this all problem well [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► we haven't applied it enough times or we [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► haven't we don't have a funding or you [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► know it only works in a vacuum or [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► whatever and and so I was really like [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► chewing on that as I kind of I don't [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► know like a hopefulness that that where [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► we are now which is this like world of [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► total subjectivity in politics and [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► culture where everything is just like [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► your opinion [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► man mm-hmm isn't the end that isn't that [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► or even it could be something where [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► there's near-universal ascent for now [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► about the scientific rigor and validity [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► of a given theory which doesn't mean [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► what everybody thinks it means but you [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► know whether that's gravity or something [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► there you know how the shape of the [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► earth there are still going to be people [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► who have the reasons why they choose to [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► believe that it isn't true or can't be [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► true the earth is sitting in a gravity [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► bag yeah we're like a great great tweet [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► i saw not long ago there are flatter of [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► society people all over the globe I I [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► think it's I do think about this as [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► somebody who's just an observer of all [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► of these things and you know an [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► enthusiast sometimes about some of these [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► topics but I i think there's will have [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► these sort of rough mental models none [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► of which is very complete but yeah well [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► here's one example one example is my [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► computer right now where you know why is [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► my computer work well I don't know why [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► or how my computer works I can tell when [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► it stops working and then I can choose [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► to identify what it is that made it work [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► again I don't know if it was actually [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► unplugging the keyboard the quota fix [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► this I don't think that's it I think [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► that was probably a symptom of a deeper [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► problem so I can I can for the moment be [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► recording this program with you [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► believing that the problem is solved but [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► I don't even know what the problem is [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► I'm not sure if it's solved and I don't [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► know if it will or won't come back again [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► because because who knows that's one [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► kind of model for it is that you know [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► it's it's all again that's a lot like [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► cutting the ends off the roast but with [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► the science stuff for any kind of [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► scholarship in particular in this is an [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► incomplete mental model but I do think [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► of it a little bit like a like a puzzle [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► like I think about when I was a kid my [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► family my mom mainly was putting [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► together this very difficult I think it [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► was over 500 pieces but a very very [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► large puzzle of a coin it was a liberty [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► dollar so that it's more than 500 pieces [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► because I see 1,500 piece puzzles all [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► the time that's toys for kids I know I [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► know and I never saw the appeal [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► personally but you know the thing is to [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► think about that think about making a [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► 1000 piece puzzle of a coin it's like a [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► recipe for madness it would be like [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► doing a puzzle of a [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► a brown shot of a pool I mean every [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► piece looks pretty much exactly the same [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► so I mean I mean first you to figure out [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► what the puzzle is that you're trying to [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► solve you wonder if you have all the [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► pieces and then as you go along you [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► start fitting them again and complete [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► but like that's the way I think about a [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► little bit and these two pieces seem to [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► fit together but you may find that they [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► actually fit together with this other [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► piece and that takes time and it never [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► really even takes into account whether [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► you should be solving a puzzle at all [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► but that's that's the thing is like some [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► scientific stuff for some scholarship [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► comes too early sometimes maybe it comes [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► too late sometimes it comes at the you [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► know maybe again maybe like with my [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► computer there's some kind of there's [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► something valid in what they're [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► discussing but it isn't one hundred [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► percent correct accurate for all x in [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► ways that may not be apparent for years [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► but that doesn't mean it's not useful I [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► mean that's how you discover penicillin [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► yeah well I mean right but what we don't [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► remember is the is the like thousands of [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► people that were injected with human [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► feces and died in the search for [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► penicillin alright and ideally as I [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► understand the process which is the [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► process I don't actually understand but [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► part of it is documenting the times it [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► didn't work this is where you get into [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► the file drawer effect where you only [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► publish the results to turn out the way [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► you want it you know to seems like to [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► you really have to have to be replicable [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► and you have to talk about ways that it [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► might not be replicable and you know [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► that that desire to find not the truth [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► with a capital T but like what I can [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► prove for now and document it that's the [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► real scientist the real science is not [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► having some article that you know shows [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► up on public radio it's about that [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► search for what I what I can prove how I [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► think I can prove it and then how that [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► maybe fits into something else but [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► that's a much more humble kind of [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► science well and I think that's exactly [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► what I'm getting at because in the [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► social sciences and politics there is [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► really really really a strong trend and [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► very little incentive to admit when a [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► thing doesn't work because if that's not [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► going to get you that's not going to get [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► you headlines right in what science page [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► of the local paper it [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► so doesn't this is the problem right a [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► theory feels so gratifying when you when [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► you when you feel like it explains [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► everything and to abandon it to abandon [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► aspects of it or it entirely is really [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► destabilizing and it makes you feel [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► awful and and you realize that it isn't [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► everything isn't explained by a by a [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► sort of book or a paragraph in a book [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► and there's no incentive to do it [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► because I'm you know when we started [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► calling them the social sciences we were [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► trying to give them the imprimatur of [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► science because we thought we could use [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► the scientific method to investigate [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► these these sort of soft ideas or hard [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► to prove things that what that are only [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► provable in mass aggregate over hundreds [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► of years or something but we've sort of [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► abandoned the science side of it and [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► it's now just it's become a thing where [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► your conviction versus my conviction and [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► any any any feeling of doubt within [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► yourself or any feeling of doubt within [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► your community where you're like did [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► this work is this working does this is [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► this accurate is really shouted down [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► because it's because it's understood to [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► its kind of under fine tenor [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► revolutionary that's right [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► counter-revolutionary under undermine [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► our our our great struggle and that's [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► the that's the thing the feeling of like [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► oh this isn't this actually isn't it's [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► not that any one particular idea or any [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► any group of ideas is is plaguing me [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► it's more that this isn't a method this [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► isn't a future method this isn't what [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► we'll be doing forever we will again [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► remember [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► that we have to test things and when [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► they don't work we have to have the [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► courage to say they don't work right and [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► that rather than trying to shore up [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► whatever flimsy proof you have that it [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► does work yeah or just say or to make [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► those excuses that it doesn't work [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► because of you know because of all these [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► external factors that we can't control [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► and we need to if we just keep applying [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► our program that doesn't work long [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► enough it will be shown to work after we [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► have changed every other conditions uh [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► and you know that's a pretty good [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► traction in a certain light colored [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► house in DC right now uh well and in and [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► in the left even more or or equally as [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► much now we can we basically we have [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► nicer chicken bones that's what we're [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► doing the same foo do but we think our [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► chicken bones st. you know have a [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► graduate degree yeah our stone soup has [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► more stone now its twenty percent more [TS]

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00:34:23 ◼   ► much to Casper for sporting Roderick on [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► the line and all the great shows I'm [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► just looking for some relief my dad my [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► imagination I can't I can't put it in [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► this in these stone soups it just you [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► know it just keep swimming to the top [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► and thing we please pluck me back we had [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► a row we had a kind of school related [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► Easter activity this weekend my wife and [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► another parent put together this egg [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► hunt for the kids it was really fun I [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► ended up talking to his buddy of mine [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► I've worked with a lot in the past and [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► you know we are aligned on many many [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► things oh you know who it is it's your [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► member when I interviewed you in my yard [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► and my friend that the glasses was there [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► and he brought his friend who kept [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► talking and you yelled in him uh-huh [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► isn't it fun with the glasses yeah your [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► friend with the glasses he was a very he [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► was a very good help to me he's good [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► again he's good man thorough very [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► professional I thought I daughter's go [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► to school together now hmm so but he we [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► were talking and you know the of course [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► as with any Easter occasion in 2017 [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► eventually you turn to talking about a [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► just everything and but he's so much [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► more on top of the ball like he's like [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► scheduled time to go like make calls and [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► do stuff like I'm so I'm so covered with [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► shame about how much I'm still just [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► sinker going Merc my understand anything [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► I just want to understand things again [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► you gave me the opportunity to pull out [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► two wonderful quotes that are widely [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► known I want to cite these quotes here [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► with credit credited to Helmuth von [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► Moltke no battle plan survives contact [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► with the enemy that's right that's a [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► wonderful right that's a great it's a [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► great quote and I say it all the time [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► and it's it's been adapted to many [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► different as of course you know the [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► computer people they're always getting [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► other people's things as you know but [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► damn it no you no no no documentation [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► survives contact with the user in any of [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► those kinds of things and then the other [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► one from the great classical philosopher [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► Mike Tyson everybody has a plan until [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► they get punched in the mouth in the [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► mouth you know it's funny because it's [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► true you know yeah yep I i I've been [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► I've been chewing on chewing on some [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► ideas I've been I I realized yesterday [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► as I was I was cleaning my house [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► yesterday my house is I've let it go on [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► cleaned I let the yard go on trimmed for [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► a couple of seasons and everything had [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► gone to everything had gone to chaos [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► there were there were receipts from [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► 7-eleven where I never go from like 2013 [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► sort of laying around yeah like I need [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► this well and just like how did this but [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► how did this end up here how did why [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► would I put this down on a table and how [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► is it still here yeah what that is that [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► says bad things that's it in like it's [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► not disputable there's nothing where you [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► get you don't get an appeal on this [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► there is as we used to say in military [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► school no excuse sir there is no there's [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► no excuse because the piles speak for [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► themselves they are in chronological [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► order except for the time you must it up [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► a bit trying to find something actually [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► useful I missed all of your kibble yeah [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► there it is but so I spent an entire day [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► let's call it two days I've been working [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► on I've been working on the yard for [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► several weeks but I and I did some [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► things that I'd been planning to do for [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► years like I chop the top out of my ugly [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► apple tree and let it do what it's gonna [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► do let it fair its own you know what I [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► mean like it's apple tree can't hang [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► then it's out of here my mom is very [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► unsentimental about trees unlike other [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► things and I could take I could take a [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► lesson from her but this tree I was just [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► like you know what I've hated the top of [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► you for a long time and you're gone but [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► that's been over the past couple of [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► weeks but the last two days I decided I [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► was going to clean the house I was going [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► to do a deep deep dive and I realized [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► that I could work on a project in the [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► house for a sustained hour before I [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► needed a 20 minute vacation mm-hmm and [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► I'd never because I I'd never like I'd [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► never seen it in action this way because [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► I have these stupid stupid stupid little [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► games on my phone that are just so [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► stupid and I think they're so getting to [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► you and some monkey part of my brain is [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► just like well got 20 minutes to kill [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► yeah might as well go bleep on my so I [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► worked all I work from 8am to 8 p.m. [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► yesterday cleaning the house and I took [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► six 20-minute breaks to go boopy boopy [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► boopy boopy but I worked diligently the [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► rest of the time that's still better [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► than most people on a given day I would [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► postulate I am and way better than I [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► normally do yeah but what was [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► interesting was that I didn't I didn't [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► chastise myself for the 20-minute breaks [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► because the hour I'd gotten a lot done [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► and so I was like I'm gonna take a [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► little break and I play the thing until [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► I would hit that point where my brain [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► had turned to mush there wasn't anything [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► else here to find [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► and then I went back and I it really was [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► a a kind of workflow and I wonder if [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► there isn't something there for me to [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► mine you know you're saying there's no [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► reason you can't extend that to your [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► indoor sudo digital life well I'm 22 [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► everything to writing songs like work on [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► it for an hour and then go take 20 [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► minutes where you do this like where you [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► play minesweeper and then back at it [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► instead of and recognize that the [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► minesweeper playing is also part of the [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► work day it's part of the it's it's an [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► integral part of the hour um here's the [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► one with you yeah oh I'm dying well in [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► the days when I was considered by some [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► to be a Productivity guru I wrote about [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► this and I called it the procrastination [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► dash which is just the idea this is I've [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► since heard this called things like the [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► Pomodoro Technique sure whatever but the [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► basic idea was of my idea was if there's [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► something you've been putting off [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► remember there's light at the end of the [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► tunnel and this could go for anything [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► doesn't have to be something you're [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► procrastinating but like the idea is you [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► spend n minutes working on the thing and [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► then no matter what you stop at the end [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► of those arbitrary and minutes I would [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► say 20 minutes at the end of that 20 [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► minutes you take a five-minute break or [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► an ax minute break you decide what the [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► you know the end and the exes but the [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► idea is you build in that like I know [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► I'm only going to have to do this thing [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► for so long and then I'm going to go do [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► this other thing that maybe it's a thing [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► I like or maybe it's a thing that's [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► different but like you know if you try [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► to organize instead of saying I'm going [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► to spend three hours on this if he [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► instead you say I'm going to spend the [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► this number of these 20 minutes cycles [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► on this I think that's I think that's a [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► good way to kind of bang on your brain a [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► little bit and to make it make it [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► totally doable bang on the brain because [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► at least helps you get bang on the brain [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► with a baseball breakup i ended up a [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► yeah you at least you know the the thing [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► is the trick inside the trick the double [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► turns out is that it gets you to work on [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► something you've been procrastinating [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► about putting off for whatever reason [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► because you at least get started the [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► hardest part of anything is getting [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► started and that's all your brain needs [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► to know I'm not going to die if I get [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► started on this the hardest part of [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► breaking up is folgers in your cup right [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► that's the worst part worst part of [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► breaking up is folgers in your cup we've [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► replaced John's Folgers crystals with a [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► Minecraft like game hmm like a new word [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► game I like I should I shouldn't tell [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► you about it well no I would see a word [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► game would be a massive improvement over [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► these like basically as Chris Leak grip [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► games well as Chris camellia once once [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► put it putting away the dishes he's like [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► all these games that you play are just [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► putting away the dishes like I hate [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► really good dishes why would i play one [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► of these games that's just putting away [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► the dishes Oh God and I'm just like [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► putting away anyway putting those issues [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► uh what pop but I've so a word game at [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► least would be using like some other [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► part of so the part of my brain that [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► recognizes letters yeah yeah what is it [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► you really want to know well yes it's [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► called type shift time should one word [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► and type shift you you get this little [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► imagine like a like a little clicky [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► combination lock on a suitcase where you [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► got the little tourney things to fail so [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► basically these letters drop-down and [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► there's several letters in each of [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► however many vertical rows and you move [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► them around to create words and you try [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► and create as many words as you can in a [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► short period of time I'm not really [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► selling it very well but it's a there's [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► several different versions of it inside [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► of the game and it's really fun it's not [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► horribly addictive it's not like that [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► terrible threes game but it is really [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► enjoyable all right well I'll give it a [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► try i usually those games that are like [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► racing with somebody else to come up [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► with many words as you can with four [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► letters hmm aye aye aye mmm it's like [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► people say to me all the time you should [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► come join our trivia game our trivia [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► team our pub trivia team pub trivia tea [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► and I'm like no thank you that just I [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► mean so stressful it does to sit there [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► and be like Oh what was the name of the [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► second Bananarama LP guy guy guy then [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► somebody else has it and you're just [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► like fuck yeah I don't want that I don't [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► want that it right no no no no you don't [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► want that no no no no no I just found [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► I'm sitting here on the table I I was [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► cleaning I was cleaning up I've been [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► moving a lot of stuff to my office [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► moving stuff that I realized doesn't [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► belong in my house shouting office that [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► that causes an unusual mode of thinking [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► I've it really don't you I'm seriously [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► it's a novel way of having to think [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► about your life and how it gets [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► segmented well I mean not just you but [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► anybody else who happens to be involved [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► in your house like how it affects them [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► like this is really need to be here yeah [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► right right like uh like I so I like I [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► like these six boxes of comic books to [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► be at the house but nobody else really [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► needs that yeah I don't really need that [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► no no I my dad went through a long long [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► phase throughout the late 70s thought no [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► no I'm sorry throughout the from about [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► 73 if if my research indicates correctly [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► from about 73 to probably 83 my dad fell [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► victim to the disease the mental [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► disorder of thinking that slides were [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► better than Prince all right have we [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► talked about this before he might have [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► been all inherit again well slide slide [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► you get out you get a really [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► high-quality image you get a [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► high-quality image that you can only see [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► projected against the wall of your [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► living room or one of those cool little [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► dinguses we were you stick it into [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► little viewer yeah but who wants to look [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► at pictures that way nobody mean or [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► nobody any more well and who wants to [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► look at the metal right and so my dad [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► took my dad took twenty thousand [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► pictures on slides and then at some [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► point along the way he felt like he [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► needed to have those slides ready to [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► view and so he started buying slide [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► reels the the circular can sort of [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► carousels that's right the like you're [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► like it's a machine gun and he bought I [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► don't know 25 carousels and loaded them [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► with slides and then put them back in [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► the box and I'm sure never looked at [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► them again yeah and so now I inherited [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► 25 full carousels whenever we have the [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► same box in our we have a giant giant [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► box of my father-in-law slides in cream [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► sauce yeah [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► was a it was like a weird it was like [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► going to asked it was a it was a [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► collective like what well yeah what do [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► they call that a like a delusion er yeah [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► hysteria or something out and so I have [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► all these slides and I have them here at [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► the house right because pictures belong [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► at the house and then I realized these [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► pictures do not belong at the house [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► these pictures belong at the office and [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► one day and the thing about them is so [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► many of them were like uh well they're [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► constructing the pipeline and my dad got [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► hired by a pipeline service company to [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► provide the framework for like high [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► school equivalency degrees for the guys [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► who were welding the pipe and so my dad [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► goes up he had this kind of thing going [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► on all the time my dad started a [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► university at one point and so he went [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► up uh he went up to the pipeline as it [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► was being built like early 70s and in [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► the style that he had he had his canon [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► ae-1 and he just see seemingly just [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► pointed the camera randomly without [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► looking through them I hold this that's [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► back when you had to kind of tweak a lot [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► of stuff to get a good photo ya know if [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► it was a good photo until you got it [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► developed that's right and so they're [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► all these pictures of light well there's [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► a dirt parking lot full of pipe and [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► there's the back end of a truck and the [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► door of a mobile home oh boy and [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► thinking about this huh and there's the [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► coffee maker inside the mobile home it's [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► very dark it's very dark in there [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► because he didn't adjust the f stops uh [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► so there's the coffee maker I think I [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► can make it out and then there's like [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► three guys standing around in sunglasses [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► that note that he didn't know let alone [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► me today so an AI that did a better job [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► of this well and I know so but that but [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► my disease his disease was that my [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► disease is this is this the disease of [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► here is an envelope of pictures of [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► people you never knew [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► that's your legacy you you have your [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► good steward of that but one day like [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► there aren't that many pictures of the [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► pipeline being built even poorly taken I [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► mean I guess there are probably millions [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► of pictures of the pipeline being built [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► but there aren't pictures of the [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► pipeline being built that are so in [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► artfully done and maybe there's someone [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► out there that's like that's the only [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► extant picture of that particular brand [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► of coffee maker all right no one ever [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► thought to take that picture my dad died [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► a week after that and it's the only [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► photo of him we have from that time yeah [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► that's right okay and is that is that [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► part part of the thinking is like what [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► if this is precious in a way that is not [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► clear from the seemingly useless [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► low-quality nature of it as I understand [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► it yeah like what are you what is this [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► Abby's favorite thing and I just don't [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► know it in the background on one of [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► these photos there's a mound and it [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► turns out 50 years from now someone [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► discovers that that mound is actually an [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► Alaskan pyramid doll yeah and [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► everybody's like wow and suddenly [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► pictures of that Alaskan pyramid [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► accidentally taken in the background of [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► the alyeska pipeline construction [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► company they're like they're crucial [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► evidence I don't it's not like and we [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► commissioned in a court with your [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► carousels clickety-clack your honor your [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► honor it supports out of order and you [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► can't handle the truth I who are you sir [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► what what I need to do is set this set a [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► slide projector up and sit in my [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► darkened office and watch these slides [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► and take the few out that mean anything [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► but then you have four slides with no [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► context that at some point in your life [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► you thought meant something and you took [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► them out of their context and then [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► forever forever after they are rootless [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► meaning just floating nothing you're the [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► memories [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► Yeah right and then the rest of the [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► slides are what what are they they're [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► just like camp fire starters or you send [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► them to Goodwill and some a deist buys [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► them like I keep imagining that they're [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► artists out there mm-hmm and I don't [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► even know if there are but there used to [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► be artists out there that would go [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► thrift stores and buy old photographs [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► until there was such a glut of old [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► photographs that whoever those artists [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► were they did all their art there's [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► nobody out there making art of old [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► peoples you know prom photos and all [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► those websites they're like that is if [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► only I had more photos of a mobile home [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► door I have a full concept of these odds [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► that I'm making from Zesco pipeline call [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► it pour tous and I and so what are they [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► yeah right collective memory but they're [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► not useful we have you know we have [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► every like peggy sue got married is all [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► we need to know about the 50s why do I [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► need what is essentially a 500-person [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► haircut like repositories that's all it [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► is just like well here's some haircuts [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► right this guy had a different haircut [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► than that guy like here they are not in [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► the five-person what is it if I person [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► found a person haircut or a repository [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► sorry save it as a photos of the [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► haircuts or you're saving the clipped [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► hair no I don't have access to their [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► hair but about one you know one day [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► people be like now hot I know that I [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► know how like the fonz were here but I [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► secular guy wear his hair right but but [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► if you wanted to do that you'd go to the [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► library or the thrift store and buy all [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► the yearbooks and you'd have them all [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► there in a book these are all basically [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► yearbook photos of the van wert high [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► school class of nineteen fifty why do [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► you need those there's a year for those [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► anyway the only reason to keep them is [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► that you're an artist or that you know [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► an artist or that you believe there are [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► artists still who do collage work [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► collage artists sure multimedia your [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► problem out of business when you sort [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► those slides who knows what you're doing [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► to the the collage industry [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► that's right that's right it's hard you [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► know and you it'sit's you know when I've [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► tried to do cleanups in the past I found [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► a lot of resistance to getting started I [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► found it very painful at first but the [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► feeling I inevitably almost inevitable [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► inevitably get to is oh my god I really [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► probably could have just thrown almost [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► all of this away sight unseen but I [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► didn't you know how you get sorted it [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► got you know triaged but like you know [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► when you're done you have a lot less [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► stuff than you started with and you [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► sometimes I feel a quickening or I'm [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► like oh god give me more now I want to [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► especially player got it called a holler [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► you know dump guy or something like that [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► like I really want this to be worth the [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► money and the time I want to fill that [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► man's white truck with Kipple well and [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► that happened to me yesterday I got a [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► big box and I was like all this stuff's [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► going to the office and I started [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► throwing shoeboxes full of wall warts [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► and quarter into hable con and old [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► guitar picks and and weird like ah and [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► I'm throwing it all in this box and if [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► it had been a dumpster I would have been [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► fine hmm like if it had been a dumpster [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► I never would have thought of these [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► things again but as it is i'm going to [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► take it to my office and I'm gonna go [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► through i'm gonna put all the quarter [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► inch cables and this and i put all the [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► broken pics in that and and it should [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► have just been it could have been a hole [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► in the earth and I should remember that [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► I should remember that that you know as [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► soon as you start hucking it into that [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► guy's white truck just this fill that [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► truck up you know like that's best gift [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► you can give yourself if you got the [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► space to have it there for a few days is [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► rent yourself a three yard dumpster oh [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► good well I've been involved without [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► saying too much I've been involved in [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► things that involved having to go [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► through a lot of things very quickly in [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► a difficult way and I will just say that [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► my one bulwark against madness was the [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► ability to whip something through the [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► air toward a very very large target and [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► know that I wouldn't look at it again [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► and you know it's bad about you don't be [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► precious you know to disassemble [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► anything you just draw it into the three [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► yard dumpster and it goes away but it's [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► there for a few days in case oh nice [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► three yard dumpster I'm looking at some [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► here these are nice you actually buy one [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► of these you on you got the flip up top [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► you probably got a dual flip up top but [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► I'm just get a little door you can go in [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► through the little door if you're not [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► going there and like you have lunch or [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► something [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► but I I think that's a big difference I [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► mean I'm I don't mean to be accidentally [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► reverting to my former retired career [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► but like I think there's a big [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► difference if you if you go into a [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► situation where you need to clean stuff [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► out and you brought like a single [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► Chinese food takeout bag that the [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► results are going to be very different [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► than if you had brought a 13 gallon [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► hefty bag will be very different than if [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► you had brought a giant contractor bag [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► will be very different here's a big one [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► contractor bag in a big hefty like clean [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► up after a party size because you don't [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► have to you your goal is just fill I [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► want to see as many black contractor [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► bags at the end of the day as possible [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► mm-hmm you know I mean setting aside [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► being green and stuff whatever that's [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► fine but like if you've really got to do [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► that you don't want to feel constrained [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► by like which one should I put this in [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► is this the USB cables i save which is [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► the USB cable they donate i somehow in [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► here and i thought it might have come [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► from you there was a brand new mostly [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► unused or i guess that's the definition [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► of brand-new that was a redundancy no [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► one of those plug your computer in [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► direct to the modem with a cable what is [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► that called hot cable or me talking [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► about a hot cable and pancake table yeah [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► if your cabling you want to kick it [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► table cable yeah right so it was a hot [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► cable you don't throw that out that's [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► brand new and unused that is wasteful [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► 200 feet long what Oh Ethan net cable [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► yeah yeah cuz one time you need to run [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► ethernet way way way up to like the [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► second floor right but this was 200 feet [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► this could go over to my neighbor's [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► house sure and giving player could make [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► a little house out of it yeah and I was [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► like what the how would I ever like this [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► is something that you know that [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► sometimes you know one of the great [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► things about you Merlin is that [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► sometimes you're just like oh that's a [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► good idea and you push it you push the [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► button on amazon and it shows up at my [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► house king yeah and i'm like wow this [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► thing you know it's like cabled like a [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► like an anchor chain on a ship [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► and I was like what am I going to do [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► this it's like heavy to pick up and but [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► it it was unused and it seemed eminently [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► useful what if I want a hot cable into [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► something and then I realized it needs [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► to go to the it means to go to Goodwill [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► somebody is going to want to run [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► internet to their friend's house and [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► this is the thing they're going to [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► string it up through the trees like [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► Christmas lights mm-hmm and it's gonna [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► bring internet to the world could be [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► there could be a collage artist who's [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► recently decided to go digital and need [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► a way to get it after their tree house [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► where they like to put their collages [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► together you're affording that the one [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► thing I was worried about is if I had [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► used it was my IP address in there still [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► a lot of your data is probably still in [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► that pipe yeah should I have deleted it [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► or you want to reset the firmware on it [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► and reflash it right anyone it like a [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► tooth these squeeze it real hard to get [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► the last little bits up because a lot of [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► the special characters at that point [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► will be out but a lot of the lowercase [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► letters and numbers will still be in [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► there you don't want them I know we're [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► all very worried about hackers and [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► hacking hacking hacker hacker Stan [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► mm-hmm and and I know the hackers for [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► macro standard like some of them are the [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► worst they create all those BOTS they [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► call it and so I'm sure I was just [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► worried like about all this stuff all [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► these USB cables and wall warts and [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► stuff whether there's like oh yeah I [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► know in this apparently there's so much [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► stuff I need to throw out I flick need [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► to go like full-on mr. robot and like [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► drill through old hard drives and throw [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► it into a crematorium or something [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► mm-hmm that's so mr. robot oh my god [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► yeah I right up here I I have two mini [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► well here's the other thing i bought at [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► your recommendation many years ago yeah [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► i like how much this comes back to me [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► well this is sense where since we're on [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► the opportunity bring it up no since [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► we're on a run where you're revisiting [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► your your career as a former executive [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► sales person hello uh-uh-uh who talked [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► into his shoe phone that's fine i was [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► Merlin man you remember that I figured [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► we'd go all the way back to when I [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► bought one of those tiny little video [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► cameras that was called a flip [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► oh great cameras I love my flip camera I [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► had three of them I loved him well yeah [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► well yeah right and so I bought one cuz [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► I was like clip 1 i'm joining the flip [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► revolution hosted that most of the best [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► video we have of my daughter was with [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► the flip phone cuz it was there was zero [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► resistance he would just whip it out and [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► hit the button that's all there was it's [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► even easier than with an iphone [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► certainly not as good video but like one [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► night we this is really lame but one [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► night [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► night [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► it occurred to me that my daughter will [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► not always be washed in a bucket for the [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► rest of her life and when she was an [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► infant we shot the entire bath all the [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► way up to getting her ready for bedtime [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► and i'm so glad I've got it oh yeah yeah [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► I know but that but I would have done [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► that if I had to go well let me go get [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► the handycam and make sure it doesn't [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► have days of our lives on it but then [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► something happened just as I was getting [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► into my flip as I got something [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► something in the mail some the [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► registered letter that was like we're no [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► longer supporting the flip platform and [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► then it always did letter about that [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► yeah and then it all went to it all went [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► poof in a day like it couldn't there [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► wasn't what was it the hot plug didn't [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► work anymore no idea it's not be stopped [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► pancaking under relevant environmental [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► resources so you plug it in and it would [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► just say air or air or air or that's [TS]

01:00:49 ◼   ► that's a goddamn shame mine are still [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► sitting there in the closet I want I had [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► one and then I got the upgraded one one [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► of them broke about another so I've got [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► a total of three and III think you can [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► still pop it in and get your stuff off [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► it I think really yeah that you still [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► got you still got a computer that has a [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► USB port on it so you'll be good to [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► guess yes I do boy you know that you're [TS]

01:01:09 ◼   ► gonna love the next time you need to get [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► a Mac are you post USB I have a laptop [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► that has a headphone jack and exactly [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► one port on it so but it's not it's not [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► a port that I've ever used in my life so [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► it's an entire new world of dongles for [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► me and what kind of port isn't it's [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► called a USB see oh and approximately [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► just if you eyeballed it it would look [TS]

01:01:33 ◼   ► pretty much like the what's called [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► lightning cable for your phones about [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► that size but it's not that size hmm and [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► so when you say dongles what how do you [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► get stuff on a dongle well that means [TS]

01:01:49 ◼   ► that like you know if you're like most [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► of the planet and you've got lots of [TS]

01:01:53 ◼   ► stuff that's the kind of classic USB [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► little boxy shape like you need the most [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► basic one I've got one where I've this [TS]

01:02:00 ◼   ► is really boring but you plug in the [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► dingus I've got a thing that's a little [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► hub so you put a USB hub the mail guy [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► goes into your math [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► and then you use a cord cable to power [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► that device and that gives you three [TS]

01:02:15 ◼   ► like USB 3 i'm picturing this and it's [TS]

01:02:18 ◼   ► box making me so hot mmhmm yeah but no [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► but if you want to have Ethernet know [TS]

01:02:22 ◼   ► who has ethernet anymore why would [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► anybody need that you want to don't USB [TS]

01:02:26 ◼   ► thumb drives what yeah you need [TS]

01:02:28 ◼   ► something like that no no you don't need [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► that stuff so how long will we be able [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► to traffic in vintage computers until [TS]

01:02:35 ◼   ► they no longer work um you know there's [TS]

01:02:38 ◼   ► always going to be people who are [TS]

01:02:39 ◼   ► interested in old computers but unless [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► it's in really good condition sort of [TS]

01:02:43 ◼   ► like comic books like nobody nobody [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► wants a busted-ass comic book but I mean [TS]

01:02:46 ◼   ► if I went if I went on the internet [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► right now and i bought a very good [TS]

01:02:50 ◼   ► quality high quality computer from just [TS]

01:02:54 ◼   ► the most recent future where it still [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► had ports would i be able to you would [TS]

01:03:00 ◼   ► that be useful to me how long how long [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► would it do you say yeah how long i mean [TS]

01:03:06 ◼   ► i'm considering getting a getting a [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► desktop but i don't want to go all the [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► way in right this thing where the [TS]

01:03:12 ◼   ► desktop is just like a it's just like a [TS]

01:03:14 ◼   ► cue ball that pulses that i know i [TS]

01:03:17 ◼   ► understand you don't want that you don't [TS]

01:03:19 ◼   ► like a Logan's Run computer well I would [TS]

01:03:20 ◼   ► be remiss I will be I will be [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► reprimanded via text message by John [TS]

01:03:23 ◼   ► Cirque you see if I don't advise you [TS]

01:03:25 ◼   ► that yes I can help you with this this [TS]

01:03:27 ◼   ► is not the perfect time to do that but [TS]

01:03:28 ◼   ► it won't will become soon but if it's a [TS]

01:03:31 ◼   ► sound like you're talking about a [TS]

01:03:33 ◼   ► desktop with a laptop in some ways the [TS]

01:03:36 ◼   ► the thing that's inevitably going to go [TS]

01:03:38 ◼   ► is the battery because the battery can [TS]

01:03:40 ◼   ► only do so many charges and and the [TS]

01:03:42 ◼   ► capacity goes down and down much like [TS]

01:03:44 ◼   ► the human mind what would still be [TS]

01:03:46 ◼   ► useful if you buy oh you bought a [TS]

01:03:47 ◼   ► typical mac laptop today you will pretty [TS]

01:03:51 ◼   ► definitely it's like buying a Toyota [TS]

01:03:53 ◼   ► like it's not fancy but it'll be fine [TS]

01:03:55 ◼   ► you know in Toyota runs for 300,000 [TS]

01:03:57 ◼   ► miles well yeah it's honestly like I my [TS]

01:03:59 ◼   ► last laptop which I finally retired I [TS]

01:04:02 ◼   ► bought in 2010 which is like a million [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► years ago in laptop years but if you [TS]

01:04:07 ◼   ► want if you bought a laptop today and [TS]

01:04:09 ◼   ► it's not the greatest time to buy land [TS]

01:04:11 ◼   ► it's not a good time to buy anything but [TS]

01:04:13 ◼   ► an ipad right now so if you did do that [TS]

01:04:16 ◼   ► and you know the one I got my laptop was [TS]

01:04:18 ◼   ► very inexpensive as laptops go well do [TS]

01:04:21 ◼   ► you know but you don't want that it's [TS]

01:04:22 ◼   ► only got one port [TS]

01:04:23 ◼   ► but if you wanted a laptop you could get [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► like a refurbished macbook pro that [TS]

01:04:28 ◼   ► still got a lot of miles on the tires [TS]

01:04:30 ◼   ► and it's not as costly as long as a [TS]

01:04:33 ◼   ► computer with a quarter inch in yep [TS]

01:04:36 ◼   ► quarter inch cable if you get a high of [TS]

01:04:38 ◼   ► a hot pan cake it you want to be able to [TS]

01:04:40 ◼   ► have you in a flapjack your uh your [TS]

01:04:42 ◼   ► bandwidth mm-hmm you would have a [TS]

01:04:44 ◼   ► quarter inch cable I want to I want a [TS]

01:04:46 ◼   ► three quarter three and a quarter inch [TS]

01:04:49 ◼   ► floppy drive oh I still sure you much [TS]

01:04:53 ◼   ► for your work I still have a lot of [TS]

01:04:55 ◼   ► floppies that have stuff on them l me [TS]

01:04:59 ◼   ► too i'm not sure what is on the floppies [TS]

01:05:02 ◼   ► and it might be like i had this terrible [TS]

01:05:04 ◼   ► i had this terrible thing when my dad [TS]

01:05:07 ◼   ► was moving out of his his final [TS]

01:05:11 ◼   ► apartment my siblings were all there all [TS]

01:05:13 ◼   ► my useless siblings and and and my very [TS]

01:05:18 ◼   ► useful sister was not there that it was [TS]

01:05:21 ◼   ► just me and the useless ones yeah and we [TS]

01:05:23 ◼   ► were going through his house there like [TS]

01:05:24 ◼   ► alice is garbage and he had some it [TS]

01:05:28 ◼   ► wasn't even a dell it was like a pattern [TS]

01:05:31 ◼   ► are compounding or some yanika gateway a [TS]

01:05:33 ◼   ► gateway it was some kind of pc that he [TS]

01:05:36 ◼   ► used to sit and you know hunt and peck [TS]

01:05:39 ◼   ► emails to me that were like John I hope [TS]