2: Backup Vortex


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00:01:08   what's on your mind today the topic is [TS]

00:01:10   backups but before we do it you said you [TS]

00:01:12   had other things you wanted to come to [TS]

00:01:13   yeah I was listening to the talk show [TS]

00:01:15   this week as I always do and I heard [TS]

00:01:17   that I Gruber had some nice things to [TS]

00:01:18   say about the show waited [TS]

00:01:20   who knew um he did mention one of the [TS]

00:01:24   things that I've talked to him about is [TS]

00:01:25   the phenomenon of listening to a podcast [TS]

00:01:27   and always wanting to sort of interject [TS]

00:01:29   you had to bring in your own pointer to [TS]

00:01:31   correct somebody it's kind of like how [TS]

00:01:33   sports fans yell at the TV yeah [TS]

00:01:35   when the refs are making calls oh yeah [TS]

00:01:37   and he mentioned that I had talked to [TS]

00:01:39   him about that a lot and he said well [TS]

00:01:41   now that he's got his own podcast we [TS]

00:01:42   won't have that problem um but I don't I [TS]

00:01:45   don't think it changes when you have [TS]

00:01:46   your own show because I have the exact [TS]

00:01:48   same feelings when I'm doing my show [TS]

00:01:51   this is so much I want to get to when [TS]

00:01:52   this is only an hour you can do it and [TS]

00:01:54   you kind of have to stay on topic and [TS]

00:01:55   once you move from one topic to now you [TS]

00:01:57   can't go back to it so just because I'm [TS]

00:01:59   allowed to speak on this show a lot it [TS]

00:02:02   doesn't mean I still don't want to [TS]

00:02:03   interrupt myself with additional points [TS]

00:02:05   like for example yesterday [TS]

00:02:06   yesterday's last week's show about [TS]

00:02:08   television I feel like I could do [TS]

00:02:09   another two whole shows just talking [TS]

00:02:11   about TiVo but of course you know it [TS]

00:02:13   some point it gets out of hand the [TS]

00:02:16   chatroom kind of helps like that with [TS]

00:02:18   that feeling of wanting to interject I'm [TS]

00:02:20   not on the show occasionally I'm in the [TS]

00:02:22   chat room and the same thing for people [TS]

00:02:23   who are in the chat room now they want [TS]

00:02:24   to interrupt or add something they're [TS]

00:02:27   not on the show but we can see what they [TS]

00:02:29   write in the chat room and sometimes [TS]

00:02:31   though their input will influence the [TS]

00:02:34   show sure [TS]

00:02:35   and speaking of the chat room last week [TS]

00:02:37   some people had some tips in the chat [TS]

00:02:39   room which flew by while I was doing the [TS]

00:02:41   show [TS]

00:02:41   but afterwards I scrolled back up and I [TS]

00:02:43   found an interesting one I should have [TS]

00:02:45   recorded who the person was that [TS]

00:02:47   suggested this maybe the chat room will [TS]

00:02:48   know now or it might have been one of [TS]

00:02:50   those automatically named people with [TS]

00:02:52   the Q ERT whatever aliases but anyway [TS]

00:02:56   someone pointed me to an actual [TS]

00:02:58   competitor to TiVo somewhat another [TS]

00:03:02   company that makes a box that you [TS]

00:03:03   connect to your television that a cable [TS]

00:03:05   card goes into the lets you record [TS]

00:03:06   television shows from your digital cable [TS]

00:03:08   or files television subscription and [TS]

00:03:11   I've looked been looking around this [TS]

00:03:14   field for a long time mostly sticking [TS]

00:03:16   with TiVo but I didn't even know this [TS]

00:03:17   company exists do you know who I'm about [TS]

00:03:18   to sign no I don't I don't so this is a [TS]

00:03:22   company called moxie mo X I okay I have [TS]

00:03:24   heard it I have heard of moxie yeah I [TS]

00:03:26   think I might have heard of them way [TS]

00:03:28   back when but not taking them seriously [TS]

00:03:29   but on the suggestion of this person in [TS]

00:03:30   the chat room I went and took a look at [TS]

00:03:32   it again and it's actually an [TS]

00:03:35   interesting solution um they're they're [TS]

00:03:38   competing directly with TiVo but they [TS]

00:03:40   have kind of a different model they they [TS]

00:03:42   sell you the box for much more money [TS]

00:03:44   than TiVo does but there's no monthly [TS]

00:03:45   fee which is an interesting you know [TS]

00:03:47   attempt to compete with TiVo it's very [TS]

00:03:50   similar it's got a big hard drive in it [TS]

00:03:52   it's got a little CPU it's got an [TS]

00:03:53   interface it looks vaguely like TiVo um [TS]

00:03:56   how do you spell Moxie mo XY mo x i o mo [TS]

00:04:01   x AI mo x i comm the site sometimes is [TS]

00:04:03   slow it's the whole reason I would even [TS]

00:04:07   consider moxie would be not so much to [TS]

00:04:09   get rid of the monthly fee but to see if [TS]

00:04:13   another box is a UI that's not quite so [TS]

00:04:16   slow and doesn't have all the annoying [TS]

00:04:18   limitations the TiVo has at googling [TS]

00:04:20   around the web [TS]

00:04:21   seems like Moxie is maybe a little bit [TS]

00:04:23   faster than TiVo in terms of the UI but [TS]

00:04:25   it has lots [TS]

00:04:26   other sort of caveats that make me wear [TS]

00:04:29   yeah but the first one is the fact that [TS]

00:04:30   I've never even heard of Moxie that goes [TS]

00:04:32   with some fly-by-night company if I buy [TS]

00:04:33   this thing as the company got a business [TS]

00:04:35   but the company's actually been in [TS]

00:04:36   business since 1999 there's one year [TS]

00:04:39   after Tebow so whether they're being I [TS]

00:04:42   guess you wouldn't call them successful [TS]

00:04:43   because you know we've never even heard [TS]

00:04:45   of them but an TiVo is usually not [TS]

00:04:47   considered successful but I would say [TS]

00:04:49   they are not fly-by-night at this point [TS]

00:04:52   the other thing is that you buy this box [TS]

00:04:55   like six hundred dollars or whatever [TS]

00:04:57   which is a lot of money with no monthly [TS]

00:04:58   fee but the most you can get is a [TS]

00:05:00   one-year warranty on it [TS]

00:05:01   it's t-bones kind of like that too if [TS]

00:05:03   you don't buy the extended warranty you [TS]

00:05:05   know I had the fan go bad in my TiVo [TS]

00:05:07   recently and if it wasn't just the fan [TS]

00:05:09   if it was like the motherboard I would [TS]

00:05:10   be stuck I'd have to buy a whole new [TS]

00:05:11   Tebow because I just had the one-year [TS]

00:05:12   warranty and it's one of those crappy [TS]

00:05:15   one year warranties where it's one year [TS]

00:05:16   but it's only 90 days parts and labor [TS]

00:05:18   and then after that you just get parts [TS]

00:05:19   mmm the labor is always like 150 bucks [TS]

00:05:22   and so if anything goes wrong you might [TS]

00:05:23   as well just buy yourself a new device [TS]

00:05:25   so that bothers me because if they're [TS]

00:05:27   going to go with the business model [TS]

00:05:28   where you don't have a monthly fee they [TS]

00:05:30   really should sell something to extended [TS]

00:05:31   warranty so that you can recoup the [TS]

00:05:33   money for this box because you know - [TS]

00:05:35   you can have a box for $300 and pay $12 [TS]

00:05:39   a month and or you can buy a box for 600 [TS]

00:05:41   bucks but that $600 box better last you [TS]

00:05:43   at least like a year or two to make up [TS]

00:05:46   for its initial high purchase price and [TS]

00:05:48   it has a bunch of annoying limitations [TS]

00:05:50   like there's no Wi-Fi so if you have [TS]

00:05:54   that have this box for doing multi room [TS]

00:05:56   viewing where you can see stuff on your [TS]

00:05:59   DVR from another room without having to [TS]

00:06:00   pay for another cable box which again is [TS]

00:06:02   nice but with no wireless that means you [TS]

00:06:04   have to have Ethernet running to all the [TS]

00:06:06   rooms or you have television and that's [TS]

00:06:08   very difficult in most people's houses [TS]

00:06:10   in my house the same thing on my [TS]

00:06:13   upstairs TV does not have Ethernet [TS]

00:06:14   running to it and I use Wi-Fi to get to [TS]

00:06:15   it and the other thing the Moxie thing [TS]

00:06:18   Moxie box has is you can do triple [TS]

00:06:20   tuning so you can record three shows at [TS]

00:06:22   once and then watch a pre-recorded [TS]

00:06:23   fourth right and notice up here it's [TS]

00:06:25   just three tune or HD but I'm assuming [TS]

00:06:27   the doubt that you would definitely need [TS]

00:06:28   more cable cards for that now just one [TS]

00:06:31   multi-stream card one card can just [TS]

00:06:33   three yeah because it's called a multi [TS]

00:06:35   stream card not a dual stream card so I [TS]

00:06:37   guess a single multi-stream card can do [TS]

00:06:40   you know multiple streams I don't think [TS]

00:06:41   there's an arbitrary limit maybe just [TS]

00:06:42   has to do with how many decoder chips [TS]

00:06:44   are in the box itself but apparently you [TS]

00:06:47   know this fox only has one place to [TS]

00:06:49   stick in a car as far as I can tell from [TS]

00:06:50   looking at the manual and they just want [TS]

00:06:51   a multistream card so I'm intrigued by [TS]

00:06:55   it I really don't want to buy a TiVo [TS]

00:06:56   premiere ever because I've used one that [TS]

00:06:59   my friends house and they are as slow as [TS]

00:07:02   everyone says they are and it just the [TS]

00:07:04   UI is not nice and filled with annoying [TS]

00:07:07   ads and nobody wanted to point out that [TS]

00:07:09   what I have you energy I guess be [TS]

00:07:13   critical of me which is allowed on this [TS]

00:07:15   show you wanted to point out I don't [TS]

00:07:16   have a series three you know that's the [TS]

00:07:18   example of people wanting to interject [TS]

00:07:20   although they might not know the reality [TS]

00:07:22   of the situation but last time you said [TS]

00:07:23   you had a series three and I took you at [TS]

00:07:25   your word but you don't actually have I [TS]

00:07:26   don't know it it says series three on on [TS]

00:07:29   the box but it turns out that it's not [TS]

00:07:31   it's something else because the series [TS]

00:07:33   three has all kinds of lights and [TS]

00:07:35   buttons on the front of it and it says [TS]

00:07:36   that all kinds of thing and mine just [TS]

00:07:38   got a red one or two red dots when it's [TS]

00:07:41   recording its it doesn't actually say [TS]

00:07:42   the word series three on on the box it [TS]

00:07:45   did but I I think it that's on a [TS]

00:07:47   cardboard box for me yeah yeah but on on [TS]

00:07:50   the on the larger print on the cardboard [TS]

00:07:52   box if I remember correctly this is all [TS]

00:07:54   from memory and you know as you know as [TS]

00:07:56   well as I do that once you have kids [TS]

00:07:57   there's an you don't have as much memory [TS]

00:07:59   as you used to laughs right yeah blame I [TS]

00:08:01   blame them but I love them I love my kid [TS]

00:08:03   but I blame I you know I you can blame [TS]

00:08:05   all kinds of stuff on being a parent [TS]

00:08:06   it's not blaming a kid it's the blaming [TS]

00:08:09   parenthood but I I know that I know that [TS]

00:08:12   it is probably something more like a [TS]

00:08:14   TiVo HD yeah is that the name of it it's [TS]

00:08:17   not the brand-new ones it's not these [TS]

00:08:18   premiere and xD and all that stuff it [TS]

00:08:20   was it's like whatever Costco was [TS]

00:08:22   selling so the way t-bo's are broadly [TS]

00:08:24   categorized is series 1 series 2 series [TS]

00:08:27   3 and premier and lumped into the series [TS]

00:08:30   3 category I believe is the one that you [TS]

00:08:32   have in terms product name there is the [TS]

00:08:35   series 3 which is this great thing that [TS]

00:08:36   Gruber has which originally cost 800 [TS]

00:08:38   bucks and has tons of as a no LED [TS]

00:08:40   readout on the front with words on it [TS]

00:08:42   that it will tell you what it's [TS]

00:08:43   recording and stuff like that was the [TS]

00:08:44   easy way to spot an actual series 3 yeah [TS]

00:08:46   and many people say that that's the was [TS]

00:08:49   the fanciest TiVo device ever made and [TS]

00:08:53   then they sort of [TS]

00:08:53   deaqon tented it and made it cheaper and [TS]

00:08:55   they call it TiVo HD and there's TiVo HD [TS]

00:08:58   and TiVo HDX L which is vary in the size [TS]

00:09:00   of the harddrive and they look like the [TS]

00:09:02   ones that both of us have their black on [TS]

00:09:03   the front they have a black stripe that [TS]

00:09:05   a red light for two red lights for [TS]

00:09:07   recording if you if you have two tuners [TS]

00:09:08   and a green light and a blue light for [TS]

00:09:10   when things are transferring but no [TS]

00:09:11   words really except for no the line the [TS]

00:09:14   only way you can force words to be on it [TS]

00:09:15   are these completely useless words by [TS]

00:09:18   the way that that will tell you the same [TS]

00:09:19   thing all the time in an obnoxious [TS]

00:09:21   brightly orange color which is either [TS]

00:09:23   that it's you know in in 1080i or not [TS]

00:09:26   and it's about it yes the similar to the [TS]

00:09:29   one you have this one yeah I have a TiVo [TS]

00:09:31   HD XL which is the same one as yours it [TS]

00:09:33   may or may not have a different size [TS]

00:09:35   hard drive I don't know if you have the [TS]

00:09:36   Excel I don't think it's an Excel but I [TS]

00:09:38   got an external hard drive for it yeah [TS]

00:09:45   that's the other thing about the Moxie [TS]

00:09:46   it's the internal storage is not as big [TS]

00:09:48   as a TiVo HD XL if you want it to get [TS]

00:09:51   bigger you do have to buy an external [TS]

00:09:53   hard drive and that always bothers me [TS]

00:09:55   because I'm on the lookout for noise so [TS]

00:09:58   I want the least noise possible and when [TS]

00:10:00   the hard drive is inside the box it [TS]

00:10:02   makes less noise than an external one [TS]

00:10:03   asus 389 in the chat room says series 3 [TS]

00:10:06   have orange LED just LED display and THX [TS]

00:10:10   certification and have a piano black [TS]

00:10:12   remote that's also true but my Tivo HD [TS]

00:10:16   XL also has the piano black remote and [TS]

00:10:18   is also THX certified the big difference [TS]

00:10:21   in the internals is that they they went [TS]

00:10:23   with smaller cheaper chips the TiVo HD [TS]

00:10:25   can take a multistream card where I [TS]

00:10:27   believe the series 3 has to take to [TS]

00:10:28   single stream cards which gets back to [TS]

00:10:30   Gruber's long the struggle to try to get [TS]

00:10:32   to working singing the table cards [TS]

00:10:34   the reason by the way that they probably [TS]

00:10:36   had such so many issues with that is [TS]

00:10:38   because I'm assuming most cable [TS]

00:10:41   companies now are completely multi [TS]

00:10:42   stream I know for instance FiOS assault [TS]

00:10:44   multi stream cards and if you want [TS]

00:10:45   single stream cards they're probably [TS]

00:10:47   digging into the bin of the cards that [TS]

00:10:48   have been around the block a few times [TS]

00:10:50   and they probably don't even make single [TS]

00:10:52   stream cards anymore you know so they're [TS]

00:10:54   just going through their old inventory [TS]

00:10:58   yeah so that that's the Moxie maybe next [TS]

00:11:01   time I need to buy a box for a [TS]

00:11:03   television I'll look back at them to see [TS]

00:11:05   if they're still in business and see if [TS]

00:11:06   they come up with something [TS]

00:11:08   I am intrigued by the idea that they [TS]

00:11:09   will actually update their software and [TS]

00:11:11   improve it and also that their software [TS]

00:11:13   is in HD [TS]

00:11:14   even on the new very newest TiVo if you [TS]

00:11:16   go maybe one or two menus deep you you [TS]

00:11:18   go back to the old standard def UI where [TS]

00:11:20   everything's stretched and things that [TS]

00:11:21   should be circle or oval-shaped and all [TS]

00:11:23   sorts of horrible mmm things so it would [TS]

00:11:26   be nice to have a box where the company [TS]

00:11:31   actually sends software updates and [TS]

00:11:32   cares about the software and doesn't [TS]

00:11:34   have a monthly fee so we'll say doesn't [TS]

00:11:37   sound like Eve giving them hope in in [TS]

00:11:38   that regard well I was excited to find [TS]

00:11:40   out about this noxee thing this is you [TS]

00:11:42   know this is actually we do a whole show [TS]

00:11:44   about the value of listener feedback and [TS]

00:11:47   stuff like that because it's been talked [TS]

00:11:48   about a lot on the Gruber's talked about [TS]

00:11:50   it on his side margos talked about it on [TS]

00:11:52   the podcast and i have a lot to say [TS]

00:11:54   about it too but this is just one small [TS]

00:11:55   example of feedback well i wouldn't have [TS]

00:11:59   known about this had i not been looking [TS]

00:12:00   at the chat room in it and for example [TS]

00:12:01   had I not gone back through the chat [TS]

00:12:03   room to see what people were all saying [TS]

00:12:04   after the show because you can't look at [TS]

00:12:06   every line in the chatroom during the [TS]

00:12:07   show [TS]

00:12:07   no I don't you know drives your [TS]

00:12:09   concentration off but afterwards I [TS]

00:12:11   scroll back because there are gems in [TS]

00:12:13   there like this you know [TS]

00:12:14   in all that dross of people you know [TS]

00:12:17   making noise or whatever of which I [TS]

00:12:18   participate participant in other shows [TS]

00:12:20   but it's nice to you know crowdsourcing [TS]

00:12:24   is valuable so I'm glad to find out [TS]

00:12:26   about moxie and I will definitely [TS]

00:12:27   bookmark them and keep them on my list [TS]

00:12:29   of companies to watch well so so [TS]

00:12:31   absolutely and what you said about the [TS]

00:12:33   chatroom I think is is really important [TS]

00:12:34   but I have I I wanted to just say thanks [TS]

00:12:37   because this show has been skyrocketed [TS]

00:12:42   just start him superstardom [TS]

00:12:45   in in in the iTunes Store and now in the [TS]

00:12:50   podcast so if you go to iTunes in you [TS]

00:12:51   most of you guys probably subscribed [TS]

00:12:53   through iTunes anyway but if you go to [TS]

00:12:54   pod to iTunes and you click podcasts we [TS]

00:12:57   were we were up there I mean really like [TS]

00:12:59   what were we like the number what was it [TS]

00:13:02   number six for for a while or something [TS]

00:13:03   and then we were new and noteworthy and [TS]

00:13:05   all that and you know why people that [TS]

00:13:07   Apple will never reveal the algorithms [TS]

00:13:10   that they use how they actually compute [TS]

00:13:13   which shows I mean I my belief is that [TS]

00:13:16   new and noteworthy and things like that [TS]

00:13:18   are actually those are picked by a human [TS]

00:13:20   being [TS]

00:13:21   as far as the the rankings have shows [TS]

00:13:23   whether they're number one number three [TS]

00:13:24   number five whatever and how they appear [TS]

00:13:27   that's actually based on what you guys [TS]

00:13:28   the listeners are doing in other words [TS]

00:13:31   you guys are subscribing and rating it [TS]

00:13:33   and that's why it it's tracking highly [TS]

00:13:36   so well that's what you assumed because [TS]

00:13:37   like I I that was my question to you [TS]

00:13:39   when it has to be that way well I said [TS]

00:13:41   well what is Apple using and the bottom [TS]

00:13:42   line is that seems like we just don't [TS]

00:13:45   know you can make good at nobody I think [TS]

00:13:47   I think it is do the people but anyway [TS]

00:13:49   you know what I don't care I think it's [TS]

00:13:52   because of the listeners so I'm gonna [TS]

00:13:53   say thanks to the listeners and I credit [TS]

00:13:55   them with that so certainly certainly do [TS]

00:13:58   the list is it's not like they're taking [TS]

00:13:59   payments no but I mean they might be [TS]

00:14:01   making a decision that we don't know [TS]

00:14:03   about but I think it's I think it's [TS]

00:14:04   listener anyway thanks everybody for [TS]

00:14:06   rating it and for listening and [TS]

00:14:08   subscribing and uh whatever you've been [TS]

00:14:10   doing it's been working yeah keep doing [TS]

00:14:11   it thank you for doing it so that now [TS]

00:14:14   you know it's it's John and I when we do [TS]

00:14:19   the talk show we have no list at all we [TS]

00:14:21   have nothing prepared and in fact and [TS]

00:14:23   I've said this before John almost now it [TS]

00:14:25   sort of refuses to talk to me except on [TS]

00:14:27   the show because I think he wants it to [TS]

00:14:29   be to be pure in that sense fortunately [TS]

00:14:32   you don't have any any such rule you [TS]

00:14:34   will allow us to speak or a Chad type to [TS]

00:14:37   each other throughout the week and and [TS]

00:14:39   you have a list of topics that you have [TS]

00:14:42   shared with me and you you say to me Dan [TS]

00:14:45   you need to pick a topic and then you [TS]

00:14:46   begin creating a secret list based off [TS]

00:14:49   of that topic that I'm not allowed to [TS]

00:14:50   see Marco on build and analyze keeps [TS]

00:14:54   everything secret so this is sort of the [TS]

00:14:57   different shades of hosting shows with [TS]

00:15:01   with geeks like you at least you share [TS]

00:15:04   with the topic is you let me pick the [TS]

00:15:05   topic and this week I picked backups [TS]

00:15:08   yeah I want you to feel like you have [TS]

00:15:10   some influence over what looking about [TS]

00:15:12   in the show if I just picked you know I [TS]

00:15:13   could pick a topic too and I can give [TS]

00:15:15   suggestions but sometimes if I'm making [TS]

00:15:18   a list of topics my favorites may not be [TS]

00:15:21   the ones that are actually most [TS]

00:15:21   interesting to people so I leave it to [TS]

00:15:23   you to think about what's interesting to [TS]

00:15:25   talk about in light of all your other [TS]

00:15:26   shows that you've you know I've talked [TS]

00:15:29   about different topics under so yeah so [TS]

00:15:31   yeah but then once you pick it then I [TS]

00:15:33   have to think about what I'm going to [TS]

00:15:34   say [TS]

00:15:34   I go back there I gather some links for [TS]

00:15:36   the show notes afterwards stuff like [TS]

00:15:39   that yes I'm definitely a preparer I'm [TS]

00:15:41   not quite sure what Gruber isn't or [TS]

00:15:42   maybe he just likes to pretend that he's [TS]

00:15:44   not prepared I don't well I mean we talk [TS]

00:15:46   about all different things but who knows [TS]

00:15:47   but anyway so so you've done some [TS]

00:15:49   preparations for this show so what how [TS]

00:15:51   do you want to approach this backups [TS]

00:15:53   topic so um I was thinking about it like [TS]

00:15:58   what's my way in to talk about backups [TS]

00:16:00   um and there's just really no good way [TS]

00:16:03   and except for me to just go right to my [TS]

00:16:05   thesis and then we'll work backwards [TS]

00:16:06   from there you know so to say this is my [TS]

00:16:09   main point you can stop listening the [TS]

00:16:10   show as soon as I get this out if you [TS]

00:16:11   just completely agree and know what I'm [TS]

00:16:12   going to say and then I'll just [TS]

00:16:13   elaborate on and explain where it comes [TS]

00:16:14   from and my thesis is basically that [TS]

00:16:16   this is Apple centric to why the Apple [TS]

00:16:20   centric I'm an apples Apple centric kind [TS]

00:16:22   of guy so you could substitute some [TS]

00:16:23   other company here but I think Apple [TS]

00:16:25   actually is the most relevant company [TS]

00:16:28   when it comes to this thesis and it is [TS]

00:16:30   that Apple has spent like decades [TS]

00:16:32   encouraging us to use computers to [TS]

00:16:35   manage our digital stuff and these are [TS]

00:16:39   things that are not just like our email [TS]

00:16:41   and stuff like that but things that are [TS]

00:16:43   probably our most precious nonliving [TS]

00:16:45   possessions which are things like our [TS]

00:16:47   family photos movies of our family like [TS]

00:16:49   our memories things that would [TS]

00:16:51   traditionally be in like a scrapbook [TS]

00:16:52   right original tracks photo albums or [TS]

00:16:54   whatever yeah so they've spent decades [TS]

00:16:57   making awesome software for this [TS]

00:16:58   computers computers with cameras [TS]

00:17:00   computers that work with cameras [TS]

00:17:01   programs that the whole I live suite [TS]

00:17:03   like dedicated millions and millions and [TS]

00:17:06   millions possibly billions of dollars [TS]

00:17:07   making us able to do this and [TS]

00:17:09   encouraging us with every keynote hey [TS]

00:17:11   you know take pictures of your family [TS]

00:17:12   look at these cool movies you can make [TS]

00:17:13   you make movie trailers your vacation [TS]

00:17:15   put your memories on your computer and I [TS]

00:17:17   think and that's been great I do that [TS]

00:17:19   and it's enabled people who didn't know [TS]

00:17:22   how to use computers to be successful in [TS]

00:17:23   doing these things but I think Apple now [TS]

00:17:26   bears some pretty big responsibility for [TS]

00:17:29   providing us with some way to keep this [TS]

00:17:30   data safe all right and for years they [TS]

00:17:34   weren't interested in that [TS]

00:17:35   responsibility it was basically please [TS]

00:17:37   buy a Mac please buy AI life or comes [TS]

00:17:39   with your computer upgrade I live please [TS]

00:17:42   take pictures and movies of your family [TS]

00:17:44   and make calendars and do all the stuff [TS]

00:17:45   and keep all your data on your [TS]

00:17:48   back and when you buy a new Mac you can [TS]

00:17:50   transfer all this data over and you're a [TS]

00:17:52   library of data will just expand and [TS]

00:17:53   expand and will make you faster versions [TS]

00:17:55   of iPhoto and iLife to work with this [TS]

00:17:56   but when your hard drive died which [TS]

00:17:59   inevitably happens these things last [TS]

00:18:01   maybe you know three to five years and [TS]

00:18:02   you went into the Apple Store and said [TS]

00:18:04   my Mac's not working because you're not [TS]

00:18:06   a computer guy please fix it for me they [TS]

00:18:08   said all your hard drives did and then [TS]

00:18:09   you say all right well what happened to [TS]

00:18:11   my family photos and they might ask well [TS]

00:18:13   did you have a backup and they'll go [TS]

00:18:15   what do you mean backup I did I did [TS]

00:18:16   everything you told me to do you know I [TS]

00:18:18   bought what you told me to buy I did [TS]

00:18:20   what you told me to do and now all you [TS]

00:18:22   telling me my family's entire photo [TS]

00:18:24   album is gone that's that's a bad [TS]

00:18:26   experience I'm and my connection to this [TS]

00:18:29   problem aside from my own personal [TS]

00:18:31   backup situation is through family and I [TS]

00:18:34   think like most geeks you end up as like [TS]

00:18:36   the family's computer guy I don't know [TS]

00:18:38   if you have this experience a lot of [TS]

00:18:39   these a lot of you abdicate that [TS]

00:18:41   responsibility and say please do not ask [TS]

00:18:43   me about your computer but no you [TS]

00:18:46   inherit it you have to especially if you [TS]

00:18:49   are knowledgeable you're fount you can't [TS]

00:18:51   you know that's something you can hide [TS]

00:18:52   from a stranger pretty well but you [TS]

00:18:53   can't hide that from your own family [TS]

00:18:54   yeah you have some family [TS]

00:18:56   responsibilities to do it my first [TS]

00:18:58   family responsibilities to try to get my [TS]

00:18:59   family on max because I don't want to [TS]

00:19:00   support them if they're not amen I mean [TS]

00:19:02   that's that's the kind of thing even if [TS]

00:19:04   you yourself have you know like an [TS]

00:19:06   Ubuntu server under the desk and you [TS]

00:19:08   know you you use other systems just do [TS]

00:19:10   yourself a favor and get your whole [TS]

00:19:12   family on max there's a smartest thing I [TS]

00:19:13   did I thought back in the day when I [TS]

00:19:15   used to build pcs I thought it well if I [TS]

00:19:18   build a PC for my mom and give that to [TS]

00:19:20   her then I'll know I know exactly what's [TS]

00:19:23   going on with it and it took I think it [TS]

00:19:24   took two weeks before she did something [TS]

00:19:27   I never and it wasn't you know it wasn't [TS]

00:19:29   something that she did was stupid who's [TS]

00:19:30   just she happened to do that one thing [TS]

00:19:32   that as a geek you would never do but a [TS]

00:19:35   regular human being would do all the [TS]

00:19:36   time I don't remember what it was but [TS]

00:19:37   just one thing leads to another and [TS]

00:19:39   these things become unmaintainable [TS]

00:19:41   people she went on the internet with [TS]

00:19:43   Windows and Internet Explorer 6 back in [TS]

00:19:45   2001 probably that's not something you [TS]

00:19:48   can say please mom don't go on the [TS]

00:19:49   Internet right that's that's a [TS]

00:19:52   non-starter man my horror story is that [TS]

00:19:54   my sister bought an e machines remember [TS]

00:19:56   though yeah an e machines computer for [TS]

00:19:59   like three hundred bucks in Walmart this [TS]

00:20:00   horrible blue little [TS]

00:20:01   first thing and then she got NetZero as [TS]

00:20:03   her isp / dial-up and that machine [TS]

00:20:06   quickly became just a cesspool of you [TS]

00:20:09   know a hive of scum and villainy it was [TS]

00:20:12   just ridiculous yeah so I eventually did [TS]

00:20:14   get our intern iMac but but then I had [TS]

00:20:17   the problem of like I'm encouraging my [TS]

00:20:19   family you know to spend big money you [TS]

00:20:21   know compared with Rancho deli machines [TS]

00:20:22   thing you know you have to spend over a [TS]

00:20:24   thousand yeah it's probably going to be [TS]

00:20:25   like 1,500 and actually the Mac I want [TS]

00:20:27   you to get with the extra random blah [TS]

00:20:28   blah blah is going to be like 1,600 and [TS]

00:20:30   it's like you know spending all this [TS]

00:20:31   money and I said but now look what you [TS]

00:20:33   can do with it you can make movies your [TS]

00:20:34   kids you can take photos look how easy [TS]

00:20:35   this you can do this you could never do [TS]

00:20:37   it before on your old PC because you [TS]

00:20:39   don't know how to use it but with these [TS]

00:20:40   Mac's you know point them in the right [TS]

00:20:42   direction and they can figure it out [TS]

00:20:43   they click around and they would start [TS]

00:20:45   to use them they would say it's great [TS]

00:20:46   I've got my pictures on there and we [TS]

00:20:47   just had a baby look at these pictures [TS]

00:20:48   we put up up on a web page on you know I [TS]

00:20:50   encourage them to buy dot Mac - just [TS]

00:20:52   because it's so easy to just click a [TS]

00:20:53   button and have pictures up you know [TS]

00:20:55   from the Apple bundled applications [TS]

00:20:56   right and that's kind of a good feeling [TS]

00:20:59   that you see your family being [TS]

00:21:00   successful with technology and you can [TS]

00:21:02   support them easily but it's a sinking [TS]

00:21:04   feeling in that you're like well the [TS]

00:21:06   clocks tickin on that hard drive now [TS]

00:21:07   because they bought one hard drive it [TS]

00:21:09   came inside the computer it's got all [TS]

00:21:10   their photos on it and there's no way I [TS]

00:21:12   can I can explain to them how to do [TS]

00:21:15   backups like you know by retrospect to [TS]

00:21:18   put in optical disks and burn them and [TS]

00:21:19   make sure you do it in a regular [TS]

00:21:20   schedule like this is nothing on the [TS]

00:21:22   inside in fact this was back in then you [TS]

00:21:25   know 2001-2002 like it's a really really [TS]

00:21:28   bad feeling that you've just got your [TS]

00:21:29   entire family doing this and you know [TS]

00:21:32   you're setting them up for failure so I [TS]

00:21:34   wrote about this on on my blog on ours [TS]

00:21:37   back in 2005 [TS]

00:21:38   and this will be in the show notes and [TS]

00:21:40   the title of the article was the case [TS]

00:21:42   for raid which if it's kind of [TS]

00:21:46   long-winded as I tend to be but if you [TS]

00:21:48   read through it you'll see that it's not [TS]

00:21:50   really about rate it's not Li about this [TS]

00:21:51   problem that I just said that that once [TS]

00:21:54   people have put their memories on a [TS]

00:21:56   computer they need somebody to back it [TS]

00:21:57   up and there's no good solution so my [TS]

00:21:59   suggestion at the time was that since [TS]

00:22:02   since I feel like this is apples [TS]

00:22:03   responsibility they should just put two [TS]

00:22:05   hard drives in every single Mac and have [TS]

00:22:07   them mirrored and at least that that be [TS]

00:22:10   a defense against a single hard drive [TS]

00:22:12   failure so when your one hard drive and [TS]

00:22:14   it'll be [TS]

00:22:14   you take it in to the Apple store they [TS]

00:22:16   yank out the bad one and either replace [TS]

00:22:18   it with a new one or you know under [TS]

00:22:20   warranty or make you pay for a new one [TS]

00:22:22   but your data is not gone it's safe on [TS]

00:22:24   the other hard drive it doesn't protect [TS]

00:22:25   you against accidentally deleting files [TS]

00:22:27   it doesn't protect you against file [TS]

00:22:28   system corruption it doesn't save old [TS]

00:22:30   versions of files it's not a complete [TS]

00:22:33   solution but I just wanted to say when [TS]

00:22:35   your one hard drive goes bad you need [TS]

00:22:36   some protection and you know I said why [TS]

00:22:39   can't you just do this yourself buy an [TS]

00:22:40   external hard drive or whatever you have [TS]

00:22:41   to put it in the box it has to be [TS]

00:22:43   something you don't have to buy extra [TS]

00:22:44   because after I've made this big sales [TS]

00:22:47   push and said you're going to spend [TS]

00:22:48   $1,600 on a Mac and trust me it'll be [TS]

00:22:49   fine oh and by the way you got to spend [TS]

00:22:51   $200 for an external hard drive - and [TS]

00:22:53   have it plugged in and have a turn it's [TS]

00:22:54   just an extra complication and you know [TS]

00:22:57   the raid set up can you make a raid out [TS]

00:22:59   of an internal and external drive and [TS]

00:23:00   boot from it reliably and what kind of [TS]

00:23:02   problems you're gonna have with that I [TS]

00:23:03   wanted Apple to just make it a solution [TS]

00:23:05   that's invisible and take the you know [TS]

00:23:07   take whatever hit it is to their margins [TS]

00:23:09   to just be able to and I wondered if you [TS]

00:23:11   were working at Apple how would you [TS]

00:23:13   sleep at night saying we're selling [TS]

00:23:15   people these computers have one hard [TS]

00:23:16   drive and most people are putting their [TS]

00:23:18   memories on them and hardly ever goes [TS]

00:23:20   bad [TS]

00:23:20   they're Sol irony I didn't imagine if [TS]

00:23:24   that happened in I mean and occasionally [TS]

00:23:26   something like this might happen but [TS]

00:23:28   imagine if something was that prevalent [TS]

00:23:30   in say the automobile industry you know [TS]

00:23:32   if they knew that you know yeah your [TS]

00:23:35   tires wear down but if they knew that [TS]

00:23:36   periodically your tires could just [TS]

00:23:38   you're doing nothing wrong you're you're [TS]

00:23:40   you're maintaining everything and once a [TS]

00:23:42   while your tires just fly off your car [TS]

00:23:44   while you're driving it I mean yeah that [TS]

00:23:45   can happen in extreme circumstances but [TS]

00:23:47   it doesn't happen every day but people's [TS]

00:23:49   drives die every single day and it [TS]

00:23:52   really gets back to what's replaceable [TS]

00:23:54   because they do give you a spare tire [TS]

00:23:55   most cars or nowadays they give you run [TS]

00:23:57   flats to save a little bit of money and [TS]

00:23:58   wait for for the spare tire but bottom [TS]

00:24:02   line worst thing that happens when you [TS]

00:24:03   get a flat tire is you have to get towed [TS]

00:24:04   and you get in your tire tire is it [TS]

00:24:06   replaceable photos of your baby are not [TS]

00:24:08   precisely exactly and and you could say [TS]

00:24:11   well so it's no different than if you [TS]

00:24:13   know if you had the photos in a shoebox [TS]

00:24:14   and it's you and your house flooded or [TS]

00:24:16   the house burned down or something I [TS]

00:24:19   that's kind of true in a similar [TS]

00:24:21   situation but your hard drive is so much [TS]

00:24:23   more likely to fail than your house is [TS]

00:24:24   to burn drive down your hard drive is so [TS]

00:24:26   much more likely to fail then [TS]

00:24:28   we get flooded and the other thing I [TS]

00:24:31   would say to that is the whole point of [TS]

00:24:33   digital stuff is supposed to be better [TS]

00:24:34   than the old cruddy physical stuff so I [TS]

00:24:36   don't accept that because photos in [TS]

00:24:39   shoeboxes were vulnerable to natural [TS]

00:24:41   disasters the digital photo should be to [TS]

00:24:43   digital can be copied perfectly that's [TS]

00:24:45   the advantage of digital so I reject any [TS]

00:24:47   notion that you only need to match the [TS]

00:24:51   durability of physical photos which by [TS]

00:24:53   the way you weren't matching anyway [TS]

00:24:54   because the mean time between failure [TS]

00:24:56   for hard drives is like you know three [TS]

00:24:57   to five years and usually getting worse [TS]

00:24:58   real time there some so the Apple [TS]

00:25:02   eventually though I mean they did try to [TS]

00:25:04   address this yeah yeah so this was 2005 [TS]

00:25:07   when I wrote about this and my [TS]

00:25:08   suggestion was just put two hard drives [TS]

00:25:09   in there and take the money hit because [TS]

00:25:11   you should be doing something so that [TS]

00:25:12   they they did try to address it to their [TS]

00:25:14   credit in 2007 two years later with the [TS]

00:25:18   time machine feature introduced in Mac [TS]

00:25:19   OS 10.5 leopard like was 10 10.5 leopard [TS]

00:25:23   and when I wrote about it in my 10.5 [TS]

00:25:26   review I think I called it the the best [TS]

00:25:28   feature in leopard and perhaps the best [TS]

00:25:30   feature ever added to Mac OS 10 and I [TS]

00:25:32   still stand by that simply because it's [TS]

00:25:35   not that it's such amazing wonderful [TS]

00:25:37   technologically beautiful feature but [TS]

00:25:40   that it filled really what I felt was a [TS]

00:25:42   really really important need that was [TS]

00:25:43   completely underdressed in a satisfying [TS]

00:25:45   way before I did it in a way that it [TS]

00:25:48   made it as easy as you could possibly [TS]

00:25:50   make it on now they didn't include the [TS]

00:25:52   extra hard drive but at the very least [TS]

00:25:54   they had it so if you did if you did [TS]

00:25:56   manage to buy an external hard drive and [TS]

00:25:58   you plugged it in it would prompt you do [TS]

00:26:01   you want to use this harder for backups [TS]

00:26:02   and you click yes and you're done and [TS]

00:26:04   that's it and that's pretty much as easy [TS]

00:26:06   as you could possibly make it and then [TS]

00:26:08   Time Machine had the advantage of also [TS]

00:26:10   saving old versions of your files not [TS]

00:26:12   just you know the current version sort [TS]

00:26:13   protect you against accidental deletion [TS]

00:26:15   but that time machine did really help in [TS]

00:26:19   that it was sort of the the backup [TS]

00:26:20   solution that people will actually use [TS]

00:26:22   and previously Apple had had that backup [TS]

00:26:24   program do you remember that yeah yeah [TS]

00:26:26   it was it was sort of connected it had [TS]

00:26:28   an umbrella as an icon right John and I [TS]

00:26:31   mean it it was like a it you tied into [TS]

00:26:34   MobileMe in some way this is back when [TS]

00:26:37   it was still called da Mac yeah it was [TS]

00:26:41   is you know hopeful for it if you google [TS]

00:26:43   for apple backup you'll see that this [TS]

00:26:45   program is generally considered to be a [TS]

00:26:47   sick joke yeah it was not good because [TS]

00:26:49   it did the one thing go on the backup [TS]

00:26:51   program to be as reliable and this [TS]

00:26:53   backup program could accidentally delete [TS]

00:26:55   your data it could corrupt backups [TS]

00:26:57   didn't work right it was incredibly hard [TS]

00:26:58   and complicated to use and and the [TS]

00:27:01   bottom line is since it was backing up [TS]

00:27:02   the dot Mac you you can't back up your [TS]

00:27:04   iPhoto library there have one kid for [TS]

00:27:06   one year your iPhoto library will blow [TS]

00:27:08   through your iMac storage right never [TS]

00:27:11   mind if you have a family and have been [TS]

00:27:12   doing this for years dot Mac even if [TS]

00:27:15   that program worked perfectly which [TS]

00:27:16   decidedly did not that backup program [TS]

00:27:18   was not a solution and nobody used it [TS]

00:27:20   very few people have heard of it except [TS]

00:27:22   for geeks like us who tried to use it [TS]

00:27:23   and then found out the sad story of how [TS]

00:27:25   bad it actually works so I think they [TS]

00:27:29   kept making it even after time machine [TS]

00:27:30   but the backup program is kind of a [TS]

00:27:32   footnote of history at this point that [TS]

00:27:34   should be like a cautionary tale how not [TS]

00:27:36   to do backup and with time machines they [TS]

00:27:38   got a lot of it right but the thing I [TS]

00:27:42   get back to a time machine is I'm still [TS]

00:27:43   faced with when I tell my family to buy [TS]

00:27:46   a Mac or upgrade their Mac make sure you [TS]

00:27:48   get a hard drive of you know close to [TS]

00:27:51   the same size as your internal one you [TS]

00:27:53   know ideally at least as big as your [TS]

00:27:54   internal one to do your backups down [TS]

00:27:55   with Time Machine and it's an external [TS]

00:27:57   thing you have to buy an apple doesn't [TS]

00:27:59   sell them do you remember when Apple [TS]

00:28:01   salt hard drives old man Benjamin I'm [TS]

00:28:04   thinking about it but I I remember when [TS]

00:28:07   they sold the external super drives [TS]

00:28:08   should I thumb through my catalog from [TS]

00:28:10   1992 you have to go back farther than [TS]

00:28:13   that Apple did sell the Apple HDS C [TS]

00:28:17   series of products that were like kind [TS]

00:28:19   of platinum plastic boxes that had hard [TS]

00:28:22   drives inside them I believe they were [TS]

00:28:23   scuzzy and it used to sell external hard [TS]

00:28:25   drives okay they used to also sell [TS]

00:28:27   printers you remember that oh yeah I [TS]

00:28:28   remember that they did that a lot longer [TS]

00:28:30   yeah and eventually they got out of all [TS]

00:28:33   these businesses I'm assuming because [TS]

00:28:35   you know it's a sucker's business it's [TS]

00:28:36   low margin there's not a lot of room for [TS]

00:28:38   innovation they tried to make it high [TS]

00:28:41   margin and people just bought [TS]

00:28:42   third-party printers so we have the [TS]

00:28:43   situation today where you go into an [TS]

00:28:45   Apple store and they'll sell you a Mac [TS]

00:28:46   but if you want a printer well here we [TS]

00:28:49   have the selection of Epson and HP and [TS]

00:28:50   so on and so forth afrinic Apple brand [TS]

00:28:52   different even though apples and making [TS]

00:28:54   them they were just you know rebranding [TS]

00:28:55   by the time they will give you a rebate [TS]

00:28:57   I don't know if they're still doing this [TS]

00:28:58   but a few years ago it was the case that [TS]

00:28:59   they basically you would get a free [TS]

00:29:02   printer with a Mac or you could get an [TS]

00:29:04   iPod instead right but not an Apple [TS]

00:29:07   printer or not though that's that's [TS]

00:29:09   another type of Kris show how horrible [TS]

00:29:11   printers are Apple tries to pick good [TS]

00:29:13   ones that will work well with your Mac [TS]

00:29:14   but it's not a great experience but the [TS]

00:29:17   Apple just doesn't want to be in those [TS]

00:29:18   businesses and hard drives are a similar [TS]

00:29:20   thing if you go there and they will [TS]

00:29:21   actually try to push a hard drive on you [TS]

00:29:23   like good little salespeople and say hey [TS]

00:29:25   you're buying a new Mac we have this [TS]

00:29:26   great feature called time machine [TS]

00:29:27   by the way to use it you'll need an [TS]

00:29:29   external hard drive and we have some [TS]

00:29:30   here from Western Digital and from you [TS]

00:29:32   know the company whose name I don't know [TS]

00:29:35   how to pronounce but I'm going to call [TS]

00:29:36   it LaCie since that's how I pronouncing [TS]

00:29:38   it since I was 10 years old but if it's [TS]

00:29:40   lasse I'm sorry employees of that [TS]

00:29:42   company please send me correction email [TS]

00:29:45   but they sell third-party hard drives no [TS]

00:29:47   starter party hard drives are an insane [TS]

00:29:49   ripoff because the mechanism in them [TS]

00:29:51   usually cost 80 bucks and they charge [TS]

00:29:52   you $200 for the drive for the plastic [TS]

00:29:55   case power supply [TS]

00:29:56   you know firewire chipset cable wall [TS]

00:30:00   wart that will go bad in a year and a [TS]

00:30:02   half by the way there they seem like a [TS]

00:30:05   big ripoff to me but Apple still doesn't [TS]

00:30:07   want to be in that business um [TS]

00:30:08   so anytime you're you're in an Apple [TS]

00:30:11   Store and encouraged to buy a third [TS]

00:30:13   party product the free printer is you [TS]

00:30:16   feel like all I need I need to print in [TS]

00:30:17   there free so why not but the hard [TS]

00:30:19   drives are not free and it just feels [TS]

00:30:21   like you're leaving a little bit of the [TS]

00:30:22   Apple umbrella when you're told to by a [TS]

00:30:24   third party thing and in reality those [TS]

00:30:26   star Barbie things not usually up to [TS]

00:30:28   Apple quality not up to the build [TS]

00:30:29   quality not up to the reliability and [TS]

00:30:32   sourcing of components that the [TS]

00:30:33   warranties are not as good it's not part [TS]

00:30:36   of the Apple experience it's this other [TS]

00:30:37   thing so I still feel like that's a hole [TS]

00:30:41   in the an apples backup strategy with [TS]

00:30:44   with Time Machine and the other big [TS]

00:30:46   thing of course is that if your house [TS]

00:30:47   burns down doesn't matter that you had [TS]

00:30:49   your data on to hard drives they're both [TS]

00:30:51   melted right so the big hole and that is [TS]

00:30:54   you really need some sort of network [TS]

00:30:57   backup or an off-site or some kind yeah [TS]

00:31:00   and forget about off-site no normal [TS]

00:31:02   people are not going to do off site [TS]

00:31:03   where they swap hard drives with their [TS]

00:31:04   neighbors or their relatives that's just [TS]

00:31:06   not going to happen it's just too [TS]

00:31:08   complicated [TS]

00:31:09   and network you could argue that we're [TS]

00:31:11   network connections are not good enough [TS]

00:31:12   you have to support that but I would say [TS]

00:31:14   that if you just left your Mac on all [TS]

00:31:15   the time eventually it'll trickle up all [TS]

00:31:16   your data to whatever magical [TS]

00:31:18   destination [TS]

00:31:19   and so I think the next thing I have my [TS]

00:31:23   notes here and this is just this is the [TS]

00:31:24   point of the program we talk about our [TS]

00:31:26   backup regime so I'll let you go first [TS]

00:31:27   and say what do you do to protect your [TS]

00:31:30   not your business data because I don't [TS]

00:31:32   that's kind of a different thing I don't [TS]

00:31:33   think it's relevant to anyone who's not [TS]

00:31:34   running their own business but your [TS]

00:31:35   personal data the pictures of your kids [TS]

00:31:37   movies stuff like that how do you keep [TS]

00:31:39   that safe yeah I mean I think I think [TS]

00:31:41   it's it's definitely a different [TS]

00:31:42   situation and you make it's important to [TS]

00:31:45   make that distinction a business backup [TS]

00:31:47   strategy I think is very different and [TS]

00:31:50   should be very different maybe than [TS]

00:31:52   personal one and I've tried all of these [TS]

00:31:55   different solutions I've tried time [TS]

00:31:56   machine and I think it's great I think [TS]

00:31:59   it's not as great for geeks like us as [TS]

00:32:02   it is for regular human beings who don't [TS]

00:32:05   necessarily understand backups who don't [TS]

00:32:08   want to understand backups [TS]

00:32:09   who only occasionally and only in a [TS]

00:32:12   disaster type situation would ever need [TS]

00:32:14   to recover their data from a backup like [TS]

00:32:18   that I know a lot of people who are in [TS]

00:32:22   you know they might be geeks but they're [TS]

00:32:24   not like I mean I'm a UNIX geek at heart [TS]

00:32:26   so that's the probably the worst kind [TS]

00:32:29   but you know designers I guess they fit [TS]

00:32:33   into the geek category but they don't [TS]

00:32:35   say a lot of it a lot of designers they [TS]

00:32:37   really just want to focus on design for [TS]

00:32:39   example they don't they don't understand [TS]

00:32:40   computers and they or they don't want [TS]

00:32:42   understand art yeah they are min and [TS]

00:32:44   that that's probably a safe [TS]

00:32:45   generalization to make in a lot of cases [TS]

00:32:47   they believe that a computer is just a [TS]

00:32:49   tool that lets them do their art and [TS]

00:32:50   there's nothing wrong with that that is [TS]

00:32:52   appropriate for their profession yeah [TS]

00:32:53   it's exactly and I know a lot of them [TS]

00:32:55   who have had these Time Machine backups [TS]

00:32:57   and when they get a new Mac instead of [TS]

00:33:00   doing you know what what you and I would [TS]

00:33:01   probably do which is maybe even manually [TS]

00:33:05   bring data over and that that might be a [TS]

00:33:07   topic for another show - how do you [TS]

00:33:08   migrate machines but I you know instead [TS]

00:33:11   of doing something like that now when [TS]

00:33:13   you get a new Mac you turn it on it'll [TS]

00:33:15   actually say you can transfer your data [TS]

00:33:16   not just from another Mac but from a [TS]

00:33:18   Time Machine backup and they've done [TS]

00:33:20   I've seen people who have done this [TS]

00:33:21   even even putting a new hard drive in a [TS]

00:33:24   machine where they had a hard drive fail [TS]

00:33:25   and they had a good time machine back up [TS]

00:33:26   they put they install the new driver at [TS]

00:33:28   they let Apple do it for them and then [TS]

00:33:30   when they turned it on it stay it says [TS]

00:33:32   brand-new install where you getting your [TS]

00:33:33   data from you plug in your time machine [TS]

00:33:34   back up and it just everything shows up [TS]

00:33:37   and my understanding is that doing that [TS]

00:33:39   actually takes a long time like well [TS]

00:33:41   many hours and that it also that it [TS]

00:33:44   works I've never done this I've never [TS]

00:33:48   tried this I it's funny because this [TS]

00:33:51   thing that that both of us would [TS]

00:33:53   recommend for all normal human beings to [TS]

00:33:55   use Time Machine is something that I [TS]

00:33:57   just have not I have not had a lot of [TS]

00:33:59   luck with it in the early days and [TS]

00:34:01   that's because I always tried to do [TS]

00:34:02   weird things with it like I always tried [TS]

00:34:04   to force it to work over network volumes [TS]

00:34:07   which it's not as good at doing but if [TS]

00:34:09   you're the kind of person who has a [TS]

00:34:10   computer and you want to back it up and [TS]

00:34:12   you get a hard drive you plug it in [TS]

00:34:14   guess what it'll just work and in fact [TS]

00:34:16   when you plug in a hard drive to your [TS]

00:34:18   Mac it will ask you if you want to use [TS]

00:34:20   it with Time Machine and you just click [TS]

00:34:21   yes and your backup is essentially going [TS]

00:34:24   to just work at that point but me I [TS]

00:34:27   haven't done that I'm much I still do it [TS]

00:34:29   Amit but and this goes back to my days [TS]

00:34:31   of running data centers and working in [TS]

00:34:34   Knox and stuff and being you know being [TS]

00:34:37   the guy that sets up the backup strategy [TS]

00:34:39   and using you know that just to date [TS]

00:34:42   myself a little bit here Sun OS 41.3 [TS]

00:34:45   and you know running you know command [TS]

00:34:49   line applications either you know making [TS]

00:34:52   manual tape backups and flipping tape [TS]

00:34:54   drives and stuff I mean that that's [TS]

00:34:56   where I come from so for me I don't [TS]

00:34:59   really mind a slightly more manual [TS]

00:35:01   process but what I do for almost all of [TS]

00:35:03   our Mac's [TS]

00:35:03   here that are what I would consider [TS]

00:35:05   personal Mac's John would be I use [TS]

00:35:08   SuperDuper to create full Drive image [TS]

00:35:11   clones of each individual Mac which [TS]

00:35:15   really is only two we only have two [TS]

00:35:17   machines that I would consider to be [TS]

00:35:18   personal machines alive I have a 13-inch [TS]

00:35:22   unibody MacBook and my wife has the [TS]

00:35:25   latest 13-inch MacBook Pro you have [TS]

00:35:29   drives connected directly to these [TS]

00:35:30   machines will plug you in your plug in a [TS]

00:35:33   USB mind [TS]

00:35:35   a half FireWire it also doesn't have a [TS]

00:35:36   backlit keyboard but I'm using it anyway [TS]

00:35:39   it was my wife's I actually I'm using my [TS]

00:35:41   wife's old MacBook as my main machine [TS]

00:35:44   now because all the other ones are tied [TS]

00:35:45   up in this this recording stuff so we [TS]

00:35:50   will plug in a a harddrive USB and run [TS]

00:35:54   SuperDuper and clone it and I'll tell [TS]

00:35:56   you why I'm comfortable doing that both [TS]

00:35:59   with my wife stuff and my stuff and we [TS]

00:36:01   can talk about the business stuff [TS]

00:36:03   because then it gets much more involved [TS]

00:36:04   and it drives lesea drives and Drobo [TS]

00:36:07   drives and everything else and an [TS]

00:36:09   off-site and networked and everything up [TS]

00:36:13   but I'll tell you why I'm okay doing [TS]

00:36:14   that with both me and Moe it because I [TS]

00:36:16   have another little little part of the [TS]

00:36:18   strategy which is Dropbox and I have all [TS]

00:36:22   of what I would what I would consider [TS]

00:36:23   there's there's stuff that you [TS]

00:36:25   identified as being important which we [TS]

00:36:26   can call memories and then there is [TS]

00:36:29   another aspect which I would call data [TS]

00:36:32   data would be things like files that are [TS]

00:36:36   not images and not movies but are [TS]

00:36:38   important tax documents as though yeah [TS]

00:36:41   maybe I mean it you know that I never I [TS]

00:36:43   never liked having that stuff [TS]

00:36:44   computerize anyway but I mean it could [TS]

00:36:46   it could just be you know documents [TS]

00:36:49   things that you've typed you know that [TS]

00:36:51   kind of that kind of stuff all of that I [TS]

00:36:53   think Dropbox is perfect for that and in [TS]

00:36:58   some cases if you don't have a lot of [TS]

00:37:00   images which we do but if you don't I [TS]

00:37:03   suppose you could use Dropbox for that [TS]

00:37:04   too but in the case of my wife like [TS]

00:37:06   she's not she's not creating she trusts [TS]

00:37:11   maybe this isn't so smart but she trusts [TS]

00:37:13   me with all of the all the images and [TS]

00:37:15   all that stuff so she doesn't she she [TS]

00:37:18   knows that anything like that that's on [TS]

00:37:19   her machine it's essentially just you [TS]

00:37:22   know as she knows I have a I of a copy [TS]

00:37:24   or I have the original or whatever so in [TS]

00:37:26   the case of her machine she's also not [TS]

00:37:28   doing a lot of incremental changes on on [TS]

00:37:30   her machine [TS]

00:37:31   she doesn't care if she has a file that [TS]

00:37:33   she updates she doesn't care about two [TS]

00:37:35   revisions back now all of my source code [TS]

00:37:38   for all of the stuff that I do all the [TS]

00:37:40   all the systems everything any software [TS]

00:37:42   anything like that [TS]

00:37:43   I've got all of that up in a in a source [TS]

00:37:46   code repository somewhere whether it's [TS]

00:37:48   github or somewhere else so anything [TS]

00:37:50   that I'm creating on a day to day basis [TS]

00:37:52   on that machine is either going to be in [TS]

00:37:54   a source code repository or going to be [TS]

00:37:56   copied over to Dropbox the exception to [TS]

00:37:58   that is the other category which is [TS]

00:38:00   memories and that's certainly going to [TS]

00:38:03   be taken care of with the with the [TS]

00:38:05   super-duper clone i actually have a [TS]

00:38:07   couple of different drives that i'll [TS]

00:38:08   swap out and do a super-duper clone and [TS]

00:38:10   I do have a safety deposit box and [TS]

00:38:12   periodically I will bring it you know [TS]

00:38:14   take a backup to it but that's extreme [TS]

00:38:16   and weird and and most people aren't [TS]

00:38:18   going to do that kind of thing so I'm [TS]

00:38:21   not but I'm not doing a regular time [TS]

00:38:24   machine kind of backup I just did it [TS]

00:38:26   just I think there are people who do it [TS]

00:38:28   but I would want that to be a networked [TS]

00:38:29   solution and I don't have a time capsule [TS]

00:38:31   and I the transfer rates that I saw over [TS]

00:38:35   Wi-Fi by connecting a hard drive to my [TS]

00:38:39   Airport Extreme Base Station we're so [TS]

00:38:43   bad and my understanding is you can't [TS]

00:38:47   take it maybe I'm wrong about this maybe [TS]

00:38:49   they've improved this since last time I [TS]

00:38:51   tried it years back but you can't do [TS]

00:38:54   like a local time machine back up to an [TS]

00:38:56   external drive and then also use that [TS]

00:38:58   drive later on on your airport [TS]

00:39:02   time machine can you you can if you knew [TS]

00:39:06   the insane contortions that you have to [TS]

00:39:09   do to to make that happen I mean the [TS]

00:39:11   beginnings of smart sparse bundles the [TS]

00:39:13   network drive so you could take your [TS]

00:39:14   drive that you backed up to locally [TS]

00:39:15   image it is a sparse bundle put it on [TS]

00:39:17   there twiddle with little files that [TS]

00:39:19   match with the drive ID like if you go [TS]

00:39:22   to Mac os10 hints.com or whatever that [TS]

00:39:23   URL redirects to now there's tons of [TS]

00:39:25   tips on how to convince time machine to [TS]

00:39:28   backup to this thing that you've [TS]

00:39:30   arranged and say no trust me time [TS]

00:39:31   machine this is this is the same place [TS]

00:39:33   you were backing up before pick up where [TS]

00:39:34   you left off under all sorts of [TS]

00:39:36   scenarios and some of them are you know [TS]

00:39:38   my hard drive went bad I might have a [TS]

00:39:40   new computer I want to move it from a [TS]

00:39:41   local to a network it can be done but [TS]

00:39:43   not by mortals not by you know regular [TS]

00:39:44   people now for business stuff I've got a [TS]

00:39:47   Drobo everything I keep we store [TS]

00:39:50   everything on the Drobo and then I [TS]

00:39:52   backup the Drobo so Drobo for us is it [TS]

00:39:55   four five by five [TS]

00:39:56   Drobo is primary storage and then I use [TS]

00:39:59   SuperDuper to clone the Drobo um usually [TS]

00:40:02   nightly so say that again turn it on to [TS]

00:40:07   what clone it on to a lacy raid thing [TS]

00:40:11   that's it's you're on with both [TS]

00:40:13   pronunciations though let's see lacy [TS]

00:40:15   however you want I'm just I figure if I [TS]

00:40:17   say two different ways then you'll be [TS]

00:40:19   right half the time yeah so it's you [TS]

00:40:22   know we back it up to that and that [TS]

00:40:24   thing doesn't have nearly the capacity [TS]

00:40:26   of the Drobo but I'm not nearly at the [TS]

00:40:28   capacity the Drobo yet and I'll deal [TS]

00:40:30   with that later and as far as as far as [TS]

00:40:32   these other there's companies out there [TS]

00:40:34   uh there's Backblaze there's CrashPlan [TS]

00:40:37   there's is carbonite another one yep and [TS]

00:40:41   I'll use another one [TS]

00:40:43   I'll tell I have tried I tried back lays [TS]

00:40:46   and I tried a CrashPlan and both of them [TS]

00:40:50   seem pretty good there's different [TS]

00:40:54   degrees of how flexible they can be when [TS]

00:40:56   you're doing the backups but the problem [TS]

00:40:57   that I had is if you were to look at all [TS]

00:41:00   of the personal photos and stuff that we [TS]

00:41:02   have I mean like you said you know you [TS]

00:41:06   have your first kid and if you have a [TS]

00:41:08   DSLR forget about it I mean you're just [TS]

00:41:10   gonna amassed RAW files take a you know [TS]

00:41:14   raw raw images take up so much space [TS]

00:41:17   that you're gonna you're going to eat up [TS]

00:41:19   hard drive space and when you try back [TS]

00:41:21   something like that up over the kind of [TS]

00:41:23   networks that that that we have [TS]

00:41:25   available here now we're not on the the [TS]

00:41:27   FiOS like you guys it takes it to em [TS]

00:41:30   mean maybe it would eventually catch up [TS]

00:41:32   but it was it had taken like a week and [TS]

00:41:35   so wasn't done yeah and the thing about [TS]

00:41:38   those photos of your kids is you don't [TS]

00:41:40   delete the baby photos no too like okay [TS]

00:41:43   it just grows it only it only goes in [TS]

00:41:45   one direction that direction is more [TS]

00:41:47   more and more and God forbid each so [TS]

00:41:49   having more kids or if you if you get [TS]

00:41:50   into photography as a hobby or anything [TS]

00:41:52   like that it's it's kind of weird that [TS]

00:41:55   you know we started having people our [TS]

00:41:58   age started having kids around the same [TS]

00:41:59   time that Apple has started to make it [TS]

00:42:02   convenient for normal people to keep [TS]

00:42:06   their memories on their computer because [TS]

00:42:07   it basically means that our entire child [TS]

00:42:10   in years we'll be on the computer so we [TS]

00:42:12   start started filling the stuff as soon [TS]

00:42:14   as it came along and these kids entire [TS]

00:42:16   lives are going to be there and I guess [TS]

00:42:17   for all generations going forward [TS]

00:42:18   that'll be the case but what I don't [TS]

00:42:20   have done is I don't have a good [TS]

00:42:22   solution for an off-site backup for [TS]

00:42:25   personal stuff that is in the memories [TS]

00:42:27   category and that's the stuff that I [TS]

00:42:29   need the best solution for I mean look [TS]

00:42:32   if if something terrible happened to the [TS]

00:42:34   Drobo you know when we talk about [TS]

00:42:36   business stuff I mean I'm doing I [TS]

00:42:38   basically I'm doing three to four hours [TS]

00:42:39   five days a week of audio recording and [TS]

00:42:42   two or three hours around more than that [TS]

00:42:44   a week of video recording I mean you [TS]

00:42:46   know in an absolute worst-case scenario [TS]

00:42:48   the Drobo blows up the the the the Lacey [TS]

00:42:52   the lassie blows up I don't have I don't [TS]

00:42:56   have a backup of this and by the way [TS]

00:42:58   when I record sometimes we record right [TS]

00:43:00   to the to the Drobo other times we're [TS]

00:43:02   recording to the hard drive of the [TS]

00:43:03   machine and transferring it depending on [TS]

00:43:04   the situation and and my engineer who's [TS]

00:43:07   in another state also has the original [TS]

00:43:09   files up to a you know maybe like the [TS]

00:43:12   last week's worth of files who's doing [TS]

00:43:15   the editing you know I mean worst case [TS]

00:43:17   scenario yeah I've lost those but as [TS]

00:43:19   long as I haven't lost that day's show [TS]

00:43:21   the mix down version to the mp3 is out [TS]

00:43:25   on the internet in multiple places so [TS]

00:43:27   what have I lost essentially I've lost [TS]

00:43:29   the backup anyway um right but I mean [TS]

00:43:34   I'm not I'm not saying that I'm Anna and [TS]

00:43:36   I mean look if I lost that if I lost the [TS]

00:43:39   the online version and the backup online [TS]

00:43:41   version which one is on s3 and one is on [TS]

00:43:43   a server somewhere else I I think [TS]

00:43:46   there's enough people on the internet [TS]

00:43:48   who have downloaded these shows that I [TS]

00:43:49   could like say oh my gosh we lost [TS]

00:43:51   everything and through crowdsourcing we [TS]

00:43:53   could have it all back I wouldn't have [TS]

00:43:55   the original files but you know so it [TS]

00:43:58   again it's kind of a weird situation [TS]

00:44:00   with me what about you what are you [TS]

00:44:02   doing I'm sure you've got you know you [TS]

00:44:04   probably do have certain people spread [TS]

00:44:07   across the United States with copies of [TS]

00:44:08   your data in trust so I started out as a [TS]

00:44:11   as a backup slacker as a young geek and [TS]

00:44:14   that I would I knew enough to know that [TS]

00:44:17   I needed backups and I knew enough to [TS]

00:44:19   work complicated program so at various [TS]

00:44:21   times I had like educational license [TS]

00:44:24   versions of retrospect I know if you [TS]

00:44:25   ever used that program but it was [TS]

00:44:26   horrible yeah I'll have you really [TS]

00:44:28   really fiendishly complex and to back up [TS]

00:44:30   because hard drives are so expensive I [TS]

00:44:33   was backing up to like optical media so [TS]

00:44:35   if you've ever done retro effects [TS]

00:44:36   backups to optical media it's one of the [TS]

00:44:38   worst experiences possible and it's so [TS]

00:44:40   painful even for a geek that you tend [TS]

00:44:41   not to do it regularly no but let me [TS]

00:44:44   interrupt you and tell it tell Pete [TS]

00:44:46   because I'm sure there are some people [TS]

00:44:47   in the audience who don't know what [TS]

00:44:48   retrospect is retrospect kind of goes to [TS]

00:44:51   toward what you would almost see in in a [TS]

00:44:53   corporate infrastructure of sorts there [TS]

00:44:55   is a centralized computer server if you [TS]

00:44:59   will that handles the backups [TS]

00:45:01   it is it is instructed to go out to the [TS]

00:45:05   remote client machines who are on the [TS]

00:45:07   same network in one way or another and [TS]

00:45:09   talk to them they are running the [TS]

00:45:11   retrospect agent which is the client [TS]

00:45:12   software that basically sits and waits [TS]

00:45:15   and waits for the server to knock on the [TS]

00:45:17   door and say time for your backup and [TS]

00:45:19   then the client starts going through all [TS]

00:45:23   of the data on machines on the machine [TS]

00:45:25   keeping track of what's been changed or [TS]

00:45:27   updated and sends that data over the [TS]

00:45:29   network back to that server who makes a [TS]

00:45:32   copy of it right there safe and sound [TS]

00:45:35   on the server and this again can take [TS]

00:45:37   five seconds if not much has changed or [TS]

00:45:40   can take five hours if a lot has changed [TS]

00:45:41   and this is really useful in the IT type [TS]

00:45:44   infrastructure in the small office [TS]

00:45:46   infrastructure and the big office [TS]

00:45:48   infrastructure in some cases and it's [TS]

00:45:50   especially useful if you have people who [TS]

00:45:53   maybe are like traveling salespeople [TS]

00:45:55   they show up on the network when they [TS]

00:45:56   show up on the network their home [TS]

00:45:58   network the retrospect client can tell [TS]

00:46:00   the server I'm here and they'll get that [TS]

00:46:02   backup done right away so it's it's [TS]

00:46:04   great in theory but it is incredibly [TS]

00:46:07   caught you need an IT guy to set it up [TS]

00:46:09   it's not even though they didn't try to [TS]

00:46:11   sell personal copies of that software [TS]

00:46:13   it's more of a I mean when you're in [TS]

00:46:15   education I was in college my star this [TS]

00:46:16   you see a lot of this in fact I ran [TS]

00:46:17   retrospect service for you know little [TS]

00:46:19   groups and in the school must but I was [TS]

00:46:21   doing myself but for personal use it's [TS]

00:46:23   it's overkill yeah and you can cut the [TS]

00:46:25   network out because you can actually [TS]

00:46:26   have the client on the server on the [TS]

00:46:27   same machine which was what I was [TS]

00:46:28   usually doing but the worst part about [TS]

00:46:30   it from a personal perspective is that [TS]

00:46:31   it's backups are old-school backups it [TS]

00:46:33   writes to proprietary files that [TS]

00:46:37   could be on tapes even it doesn't kind [TS]

00:46:39   of media agnostic but the bottom line is [TS]

00:46:41   if if your computer goes bad you need [TS]

00:46:43   retrospect to get that stuff back [TS]

00:46:45   got a bunch of files sitting on disk [TS]

00:46:47   somewhere too grateful encoded [TS]

00:46:49   compressed big binary blob didn't serve [TS]

00:46:52   basis [TS]

00:46:53   god forbid like this is why I was bad [TS]

00:46:54   with obstacle if disk number 15 of the [TS]

00:46:56   series has gone bad because I'm doing a [TS]

00:46:59   bad like crazy you can't even you know I [TS]

00:47:02   thought I just want every file except [TS]

00:47:03   for the ones that are just 15 sorry [TS]

00:47:05   not particularly easy for you to do so [TS]

00:47:07   so that was where I was in the dark ages [TS]

00:47:09   and I knew it wasn't a good solution but [TS]

00:47:11   I still have tons and tons of CDs worth [TS]

00:47:13   of that I don't know why I would never [TS]

00:47:14   be able to recover them because I have [TS]

00:47:15   to gin up a machine with retrospect on [TS]

00:47:17   it they could actually read these things [TS]

00:47:18   and run the old version of the software [TS]

00:47:20   but but that was bad and it was mostly [TS]

00:47:22   because hard drives were so expensive [TS]

00:47:24   eventually it became cheap enough where [TS]

00:47:26   you could say that you know it's [TS]

00:47:29   actually more economical for you to buy [TS]

00:47:30   a second hard drive and back up to [TS]

00:47:32   another harder which was a crazy notion [TS]

00:47:34   back of that because you backed up the [TS]

00:47:35   tape you backed up ops you back up to [TS]

00:47:37   something that was cheap you're gonna [TS]

00:47:38   back up the whole of the hard drive why [TS]

00:47:39   if you've got that kind of money why not [TS]

00:47:41   use the hard drive to store files [TS]

00:47:42   because hey you know you've got double [TS]

00:47:44   the hard drive space you know went from [TS]

00:47:45   10 megabytes to 20 megabytes I'm gonna [TS]

00:47:47   use that whole 10 megabyte hard drive [TS]

00:47:49   for five hundred dollars just to back up [TS]

00:47:50   that's absurd especially for you know [TS]

00:47:53   young kiddos like a you know college [TS]

00:47:54   teenage or whatever you have that kind [TS]

00:47:56   of money to invest in something it's [TS]

00:47:58   hard to just use it for backups which is [TS]

00:48:00   the most boring thing ever but [TS]

00:48:02   eventually did to go to that solution [TS]

00:48:03   and I remember when I finally committed [TS]

00:48:05   to doing that to having another hard [TS]

00:48:08   drive that I was looking for a program [TS]

00:48:10   that I could run it was IRS I've got a [TS]

00:48:12   second hard drive I'm actually going to [TS]

00:48:13   dedicate the backups I need to program [TS]

00:48:14   all I want to do is just take my car and [TS]

00:48:16   hard drive and copy down to the other [TS]

00:48:17   one and I don't remember how I end up [TS]

00:48:19   finding super duper but I downloaded and [TS]

00:48:21   like I let me try this thing named seems [TS]

00:48:23   stupid it's got an exclamation point and [TS]

00:48:24   like yahoo it's inter capped it's [TS]

00:48:26   ridiculous I launched it it's a brush [TS]

00:48:28   metal window fine whatever [TS]

00:48:29   it's a brush metal with like one bumpy [TS]

00:48:31   and it says press this button to copy [TS]

00:48:33   your hard drive with his other hard [TS]

00:48:35   drive I press the button walked away [TS]

00:48:36   came back a few hours later and it said [TS]

00:48:38   I've made a complete bootable copy of [TS]

00:48:40   your hard drive and I said Yeah right [TS]

00:48:41   sure I rebooted from the secondary copy [TS]

00:48:43   it booted right up it was like I was at [TS]

00:48:45   the same hard drive and I immediately [TS]

00:48:47   click the buy buy buy button as the [TS]

00:48:49   fastest software deserve [TS]

00:48:50   my entire life I used that program once [TS]

00:48:52   and I bought it I wish I could have paid [TS]

00:48:54   more from him like it was the it was the [TS]

00:48:56   best one of the best software buying [TS]

00:48:57   experiences I've ever had because I [TS]

00:48:58   envisioned a program in my head that I [TS]

00:49:00   didn't think exists I tried a couple [TS]

00:49:02   things and won't behold I found the [TS]

00:49:04   program that was in my head it was [TS]

00:49:05   beautiful and I just loved it and I [TS]

00:49:08   still you know loved that program so [TS]

00:49:11   super duper is great freeze just just to [TS]

00:49:13   kind of clarify what you would do we [TS]

00:49:15   said for people who don't know how this [TS]

00:49:16   thing works this is a Mac application [TS]

00:49:18   specifically it's not there's no PC [TS]

00:49:20   version of it sorry and it does exactly [TS]

00:49:22   what John said it will it will go in it [TS]

00:49:24   will backup your it will clone your [TS]

00:49:26   entire hard drive but what's better than [TS]

00:49:28   that is it's it's smart enough to know [TS]

00:49:30   not to do that exact same process every [TS]

00:49:32   time the next time you run it the first [TS]

00:49:34   time you run it can take hours the [TS]

00:49:36   second time you run it typically takes [TS]

00:49:37   minutes because it's very fast it looks [TS]

00:49:39   and says what's changed and just copies [TS]

00:49:42   what's changed and and and it is kind of [TS]

00:49:46   miraculous how how this thing works and [TS]

00:49:48   it it's actually technically interesting [TS]

00:49:50   because since I know a lot about the [TS]

00:49:52   file system API is and everything when [TS]

00:49:55   if you do know a lot about it and you [TS]

00:49:57   hear how SuperDuper works under the [TS]

00:49:59   covers but you know it does things even [TS]

00:50:01   though it's called smart copy where it [TS]

00:50:02   says only copy the things that have [TS]

00:50:03   changed which saves a tremendous amount [TS]

00:50:05   of time it does it in one of the dumbest [TS]

00:50:07   possible ways it looks at every single [TS]

00:50:09   file every time it says alright this [TS]

00:50:11   file is it different yes no copy you [TS]

00:50:13   know and and you would think well [TS]

00:50:15   they've got these great api's now that [TS]

00:50:16   the operating system can tell you please [TS]

00:50:18   tell me all the files that have changed [TS]

00:50:20   since since the last time I backed up [TS]

00:50:21   and if it's only three files it'll [TS]

00:50:23   instantly tell you those three files and [TS]

00:50:24   you'll be done you don't have to check [TS]

00:50:26   every single file on my disk because I [TS]

00:50:27   have millions of files I have way too [TS]

00:50:29   many files and the number of files not [TS]

00:50:31   the amount of data is what really adds [TS]

00:50:33   the time of backup if your hard drive [TS]

00:50:36   was one big file it would go really fast [TS]

00:50:37   to copy the whole thing but if you if [TS]

00:50:39   you split your hard drive into three [TS]

00:50:41   million files it will take way way way [TS]

00:50:43   longer so you know you're like why super [TS]

00:50:45   duper statting every single one it's [TS]

00:50:46   hard to use UNIX Peaks but why is super [TS]

00:50:48   duper looking at every single one of my [TS]

00:50:49   files on on my disk every time that's [TS]

00:50:52   not the smart back up it seems pretty [TS]

00:50:53   dumb well the answer is that using FS [TS]

00:50:56   events you'll miss files the FS events [TS]

00:50:58   isn't a hundred percent reliable and [TS]

00:51:00   this is exactly what you want from a [TS]

00:51:02   backup program do [TS]

00:51:04   the most reliable thing possible not the [TS]

00:51:06   fanciest not the one with the most hype [TS]

00:51:08   not the one that uses the most [TS]

00:51:09   interesting technology they experimental [TS]

00:51:11   II determine then it can be confirmed [TS]

00:51:12   trivially if you google for ways to fool [TS]

00:51:15   FS events there are a series of changes [TS]

00:51:17   that can be made that FS events just [TS]

00:51:18   doesn't pick up and you'll end up with [TS]

00:51:20   the backup is not the same as your other [TS]

00:51:21   one so they stick there what you want [TS]

00:51:24   from like a you know the company that's [TS]

00:51:25   building your house or a financial firm [TS]

00:51:28   although that's kind of ridiculous in [TS]

00:51:29   the current climate but back in the 80s [TS]

00:51:31   a financial firm but you want solid [TS]

00:51:33   dependable boring staid ridiculous [TS]

00:51:36   unexcited you want it to be work every [TS]

00:51:39   single time and that's what super dooper [TS]

00:51:40   does so it's not as fast as it could [TS]

00:51:42   possibly be because correctness is more [TS]

00:51:44   important than speed and I really [TS]

00:51:45   appreciate that about SuperDuper and I'm [TS]

00:51:47   wary of any backup program that claims [TS]

00:51:50   to for example be faster than SuperDuper [TS]

00:51:52   Biggs's uses FS events crossed off the [TS]

00:51:54   list immediately because it's just the [TS]

00:51:56   known issue that's not going to get [TS]

00:51:58   everything now people are asking the [TS]

00:51:59   chatroom they're saying they're saying [TS]

00:52:01   well can you do a super-duper clone over [TS]

00:52:05   the network on a drive that's connected [TS]

00:52:07   to an airport extreme and the answer is [TS]

00:52:09   yes [TS]

00:52:10   super duper doesn't just clone drives [TS]

00:52:12   directly you can also have it clone to a [TS]

00:52:15   sparse bundle is that am I saying that [TS]

00:52:18   right yeah and then if you can you can [TS]

00:52:21   you can have it clone to a sparse bundle [TS]

00:52:23   on a directly attached network drive or [TS]

00:52:26   on a network drive just directly [TS]

00:52:28   attached drive you can do that on each [TS]

00:52:30   of the machines you want to backup to [TS]

00:52:31   then you plug that into your your [TS]

00:52:34   Airport Express or whatever your base [TS]

00:52:36   station of any kind that you want and [TS]

00:52:38   and then just the next time you want to [TS]

00:52:40   do a clone you tell it to use that image [TS]

00:52:42   that's sitting up there on now on the [TS]

00:52:44   server now being served up and it will [TS]

00:52:46   work it will work fine yeah I'm it's [TS]

00:52:49   harder to judge by a harder to clone [TS]

00:52:51   back or running out of time here I don't [TS]

00:52:53   think I would feel the whole time but [TS]

00:52:54   let me just finish my backup regime so [TS]

00:52:56   yeah you have - my history my actual [TS]

00:52:58   backup regime is this what I eventually [TS]

00:52:59   settled on we can go over an hour John [TS]

00:53:01   alright well you know do you if you want [TS]

00:53:04   to get I don't know I don't want to pull [TS]

00:53:06   a Merlin man just keep talking so uh is [TS]

00:53:11   it so what eventually settled on is this [TS]

00:53:14   is my personal solution I would not [TS]

00:53:16   recommend this for everybody as Stefan [TS]

00:53:18   a geek solution but it shows the gap [TS]

00:53:21   between my solution and what a normal [TS]

00:53:23   piece person would do is exactly the gap [TS]

00:53:25   between how backups are today and how [TS]

00:53:28   they really should be for everyone to be [TS]

00:53:30   protected so it would be nice if this [TS]

00:53:32   solution that I have didn't need to be [TS]

00:53:34   this complicated but it does so I always [TS]

00:53:36   buy Mac Pros I'm a tower guy [TS]

00:53:38   I've always bought them mostly I buy [TS]

00:53:40   them because they have the good video [TS]

00:53:42   cards and I do a little bit of Mac PC [TS]

00:53:44   gaming so that's my only choice in the [TS]

00:53:46   Mac world I gotta buy the big honkin [TS]

00:53:47   Tower because it's the only one that has [TS]

00:53:49   the you know a high-end video card in [TS]

00:53:51   but the other thing that I like about [TS]

00:53:53   the towers is that nowadays although not [TS]

00:53:55   so much back in the bad old days of to [TS]

00:53:56   internal drives nowadays you can fit [TS]

00:53:58   four internal drives inside these things [TS]

00:54:00   um and internal drives are way cheaper [TS]

00:54:04   than external oh yeah okay you and you [TS]

00:54:06   can pick the mechanism so you go to a [TS]

00:54:07   storage room you calm which is a great [TS]

00:54:08   website find the hard drive that exactly [TS]

00:54:11   meets your needs buy that exact [TS]

00:54:12   mechanism from whatever cut-rate company [TS]

00:54:14   you can find you know you don't have to [TS]

00:54:16   buy it from some fancy retailer get a [TS]

00:54:18   really good price on it slap those [TS]

00:54:20   suckers in no cabling no power supply [TS]

00:54:22   now you've got four hard drives and what [TS]

00:54:24   I do with these four hard drives is I [TS]

00:54:26   decide how much data that I that will [TS]

00:54:30   hold all of my stuff unfortunately this [TS]

00:54:32   number keeps going up fortunately hard [TS]

00:54:33   drive sizes keep going up but it used to [TS]

00:54:35   be like 250 gig that 500 gig today I'm [TS]

00:54:37   using a terabyte so I said I'm going to [TS]

00:54:39   have a terabyte of data this will fit [TS]

00:54:40   all my movies all my photos all all my [TS]

00:54:42   family's data on it and I buy three of [TS]

00:54:46   those drives so I say one terabyte is my [TS]

00:54:48   size can be three one terabyte drives on [TS]

00:54:50   the first one terabyte drive I boot from [TS]

00:54:52   it I use it that's where everything is [TS]

00:54:53   on a second one terabyte drive I time [TS]

00:54:56   machine to it constantly time machining [TS]

00:54:57   to it and time machining to a local [TS]

00:54:59   drive is excellent and always has been [TS]

00:55:02   excellent uh I think your problem with [TS]

00:55:03   time machine is that you knew a lot [TS]

00:55:05   about time machine you were kind of in a [TS]

00:55:07   no-man's land between knowing nothing [TS]

00:55:08   about my time machine just doing well [TS]

00:55:10   tells you and knowing a ridiculous [TS]

00:55:12   amount if you know ridiculous amount and [TS]

00:55:13   you've talked to the engineers who [TS]

00:55:14   design that they would have told you [TS]

00:55:15   from step from day one do not try to [TS]

00:55:17   network backup over time became first of [TS]

00:55:19   all they were known horrible no data [TS]

00:55:21   corrupting bugs [TS]

00:55:22   yeah and backing up to even the time [TS]

00:55:24   capsule for years I don't know how long [TS]

00:55:25   it was a ridiculous amount of time and [TS]

00:55:27   then they supposedly fix them all that [TS]

00:55:28   it just never worked right so the [TS]

00:55:30   the the the buzz around that if you were [TS]

00:55:32   sort of talking to the people who are [TS]

00:55:34   working on this product booze don't do [TS]

00:55:36   that direct connect with firewire or [TS]

00:55:37   best yet [TS]

00:55:38   you know SATA shove the drives in your [TS]

00:55:40   machine I've had no problems with time [TS]

00:55:42   machine backing up to an internal drive [TS]

00:55:44   ever to the entire history of time [TS]

00:55:45   machine so solid and that gives me my Oh [TS]

00:55:47   axel II deleted a file let me go find a [TS]

00:55:49   type of thing and it gives you my [TS]

00:55:50   completely up-to-date thing because time [TS]

00:55:52   machine is always running so you're [TS]

00:55:53   using time machine in addition is super [TS]

00:55:55   duper right and then my third drive I'm [TS]

00:55:57   super duper ring to my third drive on [TS]

00:55:59   you know sort of a semi regular basis i [TS]

00:56:02   SuperDuper do not I don't do it on a [TS]

00:56:04   regular regular schedule because [TS]

00:56:05   sometimes I want to delay if I like if I [TS]

00:56:07   do a significant change to my system [TS]

00:56:09   sometimes like science I updated office [TS]

00:56:11   for example you get the new version of [TS]

00:56:12   office I didn't do my super duper backup [TS]

00:56:15   that week just because I wanted to have [TS]

00:56:17   the option of going back to and the [TS]

00:56:19   easiest way to go back is not to time [TS]

00:56:20   machine restore the easy way to go back [TS]

00:56:22   is to Reese - but from the super duper [TS]

00:56:23   drive and clone back so I kept the super [TS]

00:56:26   duper drive on the older version of [TS]

00:56:27   Office for a little while like I like [TS]

00:56:28   the flexibility of to decide when I made [TS]

00:56:31   a significant change to have my backups [TS]

00:56:32   in different states so that's three [TS]

00:56:34   drives two different Mac up mechanisms [TS]

00:56:36   and my final thing is what if my house [TS]

00:56:37   burns down hmm [TS]

00:56:39   and I can't rush into the computer room [TS]

00:56:40   and yank out the drives which I thought [TS]

00:56:42   about for much more than I should have [TS]

00:56:45   but I don't know if I got the geeks have [TS]

00:56:47   this type of scenario where like a vas [TS]

00:56:48   burning down do I think I can get into [TS]

00:56:50   my case and yank out the hard drives [TS]

00:56:51   before yeah you can the towers too heavy [TS]

00:56:53   plus you get all the wires you can't get [TS]

00:56:55   you buttons the drive slide right out so [TS]

00:56:58   you feel like you could flip that switch [TS]

00:56:59   yank the drive anyway oh wait a minute [TS]

00:57:00   you don't lock that you don't lock you [TS]

00:57:02   don't keep your case locked [TS]

00:57:03   you know the Madlock on there anyone [TS]

00:57:05   gets in my anybody anybody could come in [TS]

00:57:07   and pull one of those drives then yes [TS]

00:57:09   those not they want photos on my kids [TS]

00:57:11   they can happen but so anyway I need an [TS]

00:57:12   off-site solution and my current and I [TS]

00:57:15   and I like you tried the network backup [TS]

00:57:17   solutions um the backup solution NetWare [TS]

00:57:19   bagging solutions became viable when I [TS]

00:57:20   got files I highly recommend anybody who [TS]

00:57:22   can get it but I don't know what I would [TS]

00:57:24   do if I didn't have files but the fact [TS]

00:57:26   is that I do the one I settled on was [TS]

00:57:28   Backblaze which has some limitations [TS]

00:57:30   about oh I'm not going to backup your [TS]

00:57:31   system files or whatever but it's very [TS]

00:57:33   to defeat that by just editing their [TS]

00:57:35   little plist and telling them that you [TS]

00:57:36   backup everything it will dutifully [TS]

00:57:37   backup everything once you edit the [TS]

00:57:39   plist and tell it to do that I hope they [TS]

00:57:40   never take away that feature by the way [TS]

00:57:42   I hope no one bag blaze is listening [TS]

00:57:43   don't [TS]

00:57:44   my hack and my back place backup took a [TS]

00:57:47   long time but I have known how long and [TS]

00:57:49   this is over files and what up what up [TS]

00:57:51   this is the slow files this was 20 [TS]

00:57:53   megabits up I had at that time [TS]

00:57:54   poor guy limited to 20 like then up 20 [TS]

00:57:57   up it stuff I had symmetrical 20 of 20 [TS]

00:57:59   down now I have 25 down 50 but those [TS]

00:58:02   numbers are meaningless because the [TS]

00:58:03   actual speeds they give you are much [TS]

00:58:04   higher than that I supposedly have 25 [TS]

00:58:06   down but I can get 35 down okay so what [TS]

00:58:08   did it what it actually take time I says [TS]

00:58:11   how much were you backing up data wise I [TS]

00:58:12   think it was like a week for my initial [TS]

00:58:14   400 gigs because at that time I was on a [TS]

00:58:16   500 gig drive and now I think I have up [TS]

00:58:20   there maybe six or seven hundred gigs [TS]

00:58:22   but once you do the initial backup back [TS]

00:58:25   plays I like it because first of all [TS]

00:58:27   it's super cheap it's like five bucks a [TS]

00:58:28   month or something even cheaper if you [TS]

00:58:30   pay for a year at once and it doesn't I [TS]

00:58:33   don't notice when it's running I [TS]

00:58:34   scheduled to just run at night because I [TS]

00:58:36   leave my computer on a night for it to [TS]

00:58:38   run but I'd really don't notice when [TS]

00:58:41   it's running it doesn't impact my CPU [TS]

00:58:42   performance I don't see the thing [TS]

00:58:44   grinding time machine is actually more [TS]

00:58:45   of a hindrance like I see when time [TS]

00:58:46   machine is going in this grinding my [TS]

00:58:47   Drive occasionally I interrupted because [TS]

00:58:49   it's bothering me um the back place [TS]

00:58:52   never bothers me whatever mechanism is [TS]

00:58:54   using to figure out what files are [TS]

00:58:55   changed probably data is reliable is [TS]

00:58:57   super duper because it's much much [TS]

00:58:58   faster but really and also back place is [TS]

00:59:02   not going to give me a bootable copy of [TS]

00:59:03   my stuff if I want my data back from [TS]

00:59:05   Backblaze I'm gonna have to pay them [TS]

00:59:06   hundreds of dollars and to ship me a you [TS]

00:59:08   know a big terabyte drive or whatever [TS]

00:59:10   they're going to do but at that point [TS]

00:59:11   when the house is burned down I will pay [TS]

00:59:13   them I'll pay them a grand to give me [TS]

00:59:14   back the photos of my kids and I'm not [TS]

00:59:16   going to get my iPhoto metadata back [TS]

00:59:18   probably I just want the JPEGs the [TS]

00:59:19   original JPEGs and the original you know [TS]

00:59:22   mp4 our move files or whatever I have of [TS]

00:59:24   movies and my kids this is the worst [TS]

00:59:27   case scenario last resort type of [TS]

00:59:30   solution that I hope I never have to use [TS]

00:59:31   but I do need an off-site so I use back [TS]

00:59:33   plays the thing I'm going to add to that [TS]

00:59:35   is once my brother gets himself settled [TS]

00:59:37   in the new place he's moving in we're [TS]

00:59:39   going to try to do we'll each by two [TS]

00:59:40   terabyte externals and swap them with [TS]

00:59:42   each other every you know a month or so [TS]

00:59:43   now why not just use something like that [TS]

00:59:45   like a safety deposit box in a bank yeah [TS]

00:59:48   you could do that to safe deposit but [TS]

00:59:49   it's just like how often do you go to go [TS]

00:59:51   to the bank like I don't actually go [TS]

00:59:53   physically to my bank unless I'm going [TS]

00:59:55   to ATM and it's not at my bank proper [TS]

00:59:57   but again I [TS]

00:59:58   can I get a Canadian check [TS]

00:59:58   can I get a Canadian check [TS]

01:00:00   I've gotta go to the bank to deposit [TS]

01:00:01   like otherwise I just used that ATM to [TS]

01:00:04   drive through go there with your rolls [TS]

01:00:05   of pennies that to change them in yeah [TS]

01:00:07   but but yeah much more likely to if it's [TS]

01:00:10   someone that you see on a regular basis [TS]

01:00:12   you just you know bring the drives when [TS]

01:00:13   you see each other and swap them and [TS]

01:00:14   that will solve the problem for two [TS]

01:00:16   different people but then you have to [TS]

01:00:18   complicit ly trust that person as [TS]

01:00:21   someone in the chatroom asked about [TS]

01:00:22   crash crash glam yeah I was going to ask [TS]

01:00:24   you why why Backblaze versus crash plan [TS]

01:00:27   versus Carbonite is it just because you [TS]

01:00:28   could do that hat did you test out [TS]

01:00:30   audition the other ones what makes I [TS]

01:00:32   read a lot about them initially crash [TS]

01:00:35   plan was way more expensive than [TS]

01:00:36   Backblaze so for especially for [TS]

01:00:39   something I was trying out I didn't know [TS]

01:00:40   if it would it would be feasible I [TS]

01:00:42   didn't know how well it would work or [TS]

01:00:43   anything like that I went with back play [TS]

01:00:45   just because it was the cheapest and [TS]

01:00:46   every time I really like crash plan has [TS]

01:00:48   gotten a lot cheaper I basically come [TS]

01:00:51   back to well it took me a long time to [TS]

01:00:53   upload everything to Backblaze and [TS]

01:00:55   really do I have a problem with that [TS]

01:00:56   what am i problem I trying to solve [TS]

01:00:58   what's wrong with back plays and it just [TS]

01:00:59   doesn't bother me it doesn't hurt my [TS]

01:01:00   computer it works reliably I've done [TS]

01:01:03   test restore is to get individual files [TS]

01:01:05   back and it seems to work just fine the [TS]

01:01:08   bad thing about back plays it doesn't [TS]

01:01:09   back up Mac metadata very well most of [TS]

01:01:12   these services don't do that some of [TS]

01:01:13   them are getting better but until one of [TS]

01:01:16   them can guarantee 100% like there's no [TS]

01:01:18   super dooper in the network backup world [TS]

01:01:20   there's no equivalent of that this is [TS]

01:01:22   just a series of mostly PC centric [TS]

01:01:24   services that work to varying degrees [TS]

01:01:28   and it really is that the thing of last [TS]

01:01:29   resort so I just I said give me my data [TS]

01:01:31   give me the file names I will have to [TS]

01:01:33   painfully reconstruct my environment [TS]

01:01:34   from that I don't really care about my [TS]

01:01:36   applications that much or anything like [TS]

01:01:37   that I just want my data so that's what [TS]

01:01:39   I'm using for that crash plan is [TS]

01:01:40   becoming more competitive and it gets [TS]

01:01:42   really good reviews but I've also heard [TS]

01:01:44   the decline is more heavyweight than the [TS]

01:01:45   back plays client and I've just I just [TS]

01:01:48   haven't had a reason to leave yet so I [TS]

01:01:50   would encourage people to just try out [TS]

01:01:52   the different ones mozzie is another one [TS]

01:01:54   there's a what does that other one to [TS]

01:01:55   some indie software developer making one [TS]

01:01:57   that uses s3 yeah this is young great [TS]

01:01:59   dish is that it does jungle this with is [TS]

01:02:01   another one I wish I could remember the [TS]

01:02:02   name of it chat room can help me out but [TS]

01:02:04   this some other one that uses s3 as a [TS]

01:02:06   back-end well I I've found that I really [TS]

01:02:08   liked Backblaze also and it has a very [TS]

01:02:11   Mac for [TS]

01:02:12   my client and I actually have enough I [TS]

01:02:16   think we have an affiliate link so check [TS]

01:02:18   the show notes if you're thinking about [TS]

01:02:20   trying Backblaze I don't know if the [TS]

01:02:22   gate they had some offer about a year [TS]

01:02:25   ago where it was like ten percent off [TS]

01:02:27   but I don't know if that coupon code it [TS]

01:02:29   that will be there is still good but [TS]

01:02:30   I'll email them and see if they want to [TS]

01:02:32   react that just for just for you guys on [TS]

01:02:34   this show no promises but I'll ping them [TS]

01:02:36   right after this and tell them that we [TS]

01:02:38   but they're so cheap the full prices [TS]

01:02:40   it's not expensive I dollars them five [TS]

01:02:42   dollars a month for unlimited data that [TS]

01:02:44   was the key for me because I said a cup [TS]

01:02:45   of coffee at a Starbucks really right [TS]

01:02:47   and you know and it's month by month so [TS]

01:02:49   that's why another reason I went for it [TS]

01:02:51   because it well one month five bucks in [TS]

01:02:53   one month surely I'll be able to see if [TS]

01:02:55   I can up you know you'll get a good [TS]

01:02:56   experience of it I'll be able to do my [TS]

01:02:57   initial upload and see what it's like on [TS]

01:02:58   a day to day basis there's no risk and I [TS]

01:03:00   just left on a month-by-month much [TS]

01:03:02   longer than I should have been [TS]

01:03:03   eventually I said you know what I'm [TS]

01:03:04   obviously sticking with back plays let [TS]

01:03:05   me just buy the yearly um I really wish [TS]

01:03:08   they would do better with the mac [TS]

01:03:10   metadata I wish they would become more [TS]

01:03:12   Mac savvy and I wish their backup [TS]

01:03:13   options were not as your account their [TS]

01:03:15   restore options we're not as draconian [TS]

01:03:16   as they are but for me it basically fits [TS]

01:03:20   my needs and so far I haven't had any [TS]

01:03:21   reason to go away from it so what else [TS]

01:03:25   what else you doing up there so that's [TS]

01:03:28   well that's what from my backup regime [TS]

01:03:30   it's you know three or three hard drives [TS]

01:03:32   any time you want one hard drive you [TS]

01:03:33   have to get three of them that the [TS]

01:03:35   reason this is all in one computer this [TS]

01:03:36   gets back to a whole other show which is [TS]

01:03:38   that my computer has to be the iPhoto [TS]

01:03:40   computer right so my parents take [TS]

01:03:42   pictures we've got it that's got to be [TS]

01:03:44   our next show we've got to talk about [TS]

01:03:46   and maybe there's a bigger overall topic [TS]

01:03:49   there John but the the topic of how do [TS]

01:03:51   you deal with that when you have a [TS]

01:03:54   central repository for music or pictures [TS]

01:03:57   or whatever like how do you mitigate [TS]

01:03:58   that problem when your wife says so [TS]

01:04:00   where's that picture of the kid when [TS]

01:04:03   they were two years old and had that [TS]

01:04:04   green hat on and I want that picture and [TS]

01:04:07   what you know where's all the music like [TS]

01:04:10   how do I get music on my computer Dan [TS]

01:04:12   and my wife has her computer over there [TS]

01:04:14   too and all I do for her computer is [TS]

01:04:15   time machine to a far-our connected [TS]

01:04:17   drive it's a laptop so we plug in the [TS]

01:04:19   firewire drive occasionally and so she [TS]

01:04:21   has no off-site backup but realistically [TS]

01:04:23   she really has no data the only thing [TS]

01:04:24   she does on her computer [TS]

01:04:26   it are the taxes and I are sink those [TS]

01:04:27   over to my machine where they enter the [TS]

01:04:29   back up vortex and what about spreads [TS]

01:04:32   I'm murky are you kids old enough to use [TS]

01:04:33   computers they have they have a first [TS]

01:04:36   gen iPod Touch as their device that the [TS]

01:04:39   two of them share at this point we don't [TS]

01:04:40   have any iPads yet we will get them this [TS]

01:04:42   year [TS]

01:04:42   I'm sure they'll try to commandeer those [TS]

01:04:44   but so far they mostly just use the [TS]

01:04:46   touch they don't use our computers that [TS]

01:04:48   much occasionally they'll look at movies [TS]

01:04:50   on them whatever but they don't use use [TS]

01:04:51   them but whether can you share ages of [TS]

01:04:54   kappa gatta i've got a three year old [TS]

01:04:56   daughter and a six year old son okay so [TS]

01:04:58   at 6 though you would think he's [TS]

01:05:01   starting to get to the point where he's [TS]

01:05:02   gonna want something of his own so far [TS]

01:05:05   he hasn't asked for a computer he sure [TS]

01:05:06   as heck wants an iPod iPad he was [TS]

01:05:08   anything he definitely wants you on the [TS]

01:05:10   iPods he's not excited to use the first [TS]

01:05:13   gen touch he wants the you know 4th gen [TS]

01:05:14   touch with the camera that my wife has [TS]

01:05:17   so he's already become a connoisseur of [TS]

01:05:18   that it's interesting they're much more [TS]

01:05:19   interested in the iOS devices than the [TS]

01:05:21   max but so far he hasn't asked for our [TS]

01:05:23   Mac and of course he likes the Wii and [TS]

01:05:25   the games and stuff like that yeah [TS]

01:05:27   so so far not big on the computer and I [TS]

01:05:30   certainly haven't been encouraging it [TS]

01:05:31   because we don't have a computer for him [TS]

01:05:32   to use but once my wife upgrades her [TS]

01:05:34   laptop maybe there'll be something but [TS]

01:05:36   yeah so the the solution to the family [TS]

01:05:38   data is daddy's computer has all the [TS]

01:05:41   data and mommy's satellite computer is [TS]

01:05:44   it just mostly for throwaway stuff and [TS]

01:05:45   anything important that does appear on [TS]

01:05:47   it has to get sucked into to my computer [TS]

01:05:49   right the final point I want to make on [TS]

01:05:51   this backup thing is that I was taking [TS]

01:05:54   Apple to task for not solving the [TS]

01:05:55   problem completely back in 2005 Time [TS]

01:05:57   Machine was a big help but there's still [TS]

01:05:59   this gap is still the my house burns [TS]

01:06:01   down gap on there and the fact that you [TS]

01:06:04   have to buy third-party hard drive and [TS]

01:06:06   for for the off-site backup it's [TS]

01:06:09   unfortunate but true and this is another [TS]

01:06:11   show topic I think I probably add to the [TS]

01:06:12   list is that network services are [TS]

01:06:13   Apple's kryptonite now there are many [TS]

01:06:15   things that Apple doesn't do well but [TS]

01:06:17   they tend not to do them network [TS]

01:06:19   services is something that that Apple [TS]

01:06:21   seems to want to do they keep trying to [TS]

01:06:23   do it and they're so bad at it it's like [TS]

01:06:25   the one or two things that Apple wants [TS]

01:06:27   to do keeps trying to do and keeps [TS]

01:06:28   failing and that's that's a whole other [TS]

01:06:30   topic of why is that Apple's kryptonite [TS]

01:06:33   what is their problem what's the hang-up [TS]

01:06:34   so it's a shame that they don't have an [TS]

01:06:36   offering in that area because certainly [TS]

01:06:38   MobileMe about [TS]

01:06:39   are not adequate in any possible way for [TS]

01:06:41   that so what do you what do you then [TS]

01:06:44   suggest let's say there's somebody out [TS]

01:06:46   there who's listening to us right now [TS]

01:06:47   and they've just got their one computer [TS]

01:06:49   whether it's a laptop or or you know nor [TS]

01:06:52   Mac Pro I mean what's what do you [TS]

01:06:55   recommend that they do my recommendation [TS]

01:06:57   before I hear yours my recommendation is [TS]

01:06:59   is going to be if if you're the kind of [TS]

01:07:02   person who likes the idea that if [TS]

01:07:04   something terrible happens to your [TS]

01:07:06   computer you don't need incremental [TS]

01:07:09   backups but you want to get back up and [TS]

01:07:11   running as quickly as possible [TS]

01:07:12   you super-duper clone your drive every [TS]

01:07:15   night and then if something terrible [TS]

01:07:16   happens to your computer you plug that [TS]

01:07:18   drive in you reboot from it and you're [TS]

01:07:20   exactly where you were and you know what [TS]

01:07:22   if something terrible happened to the [TS]

01:07:24   Mac itself you can take that hard drive [TS]

01:07:27   to another Mac and you can reboot right [TS]

01:07:29   off that drive and it's your Mac on that [TS]

01:07:31   Mac which is kind of magical and very [TS]

01:07:36   cool and that's that's my recommended [TS]

01:07:37   solution for regular for regular people [TS]

01:07:39   and geeks for people who really just [TS]

01:07:41   don't want to think about anything I [TS]

01:07:44   would probably recommend time-machine on [TS]

01:07:46   on an USB Drive that you just plug in [TS]

01:07:49   and and backup but what do you recommend [TS]

01:07:51   for regular people [TS]

01:07:52   so my recommendation for non geeks and [TS]

01:07:55   this is what I make my family do to the [TS]

01:07:58   extent that I can is a bio external [TS]

01:08:01   firewire hard drive and good time [TS]

01:08:03   machine to it and the reason I pick time [TS]

01:08:04   machine instead of SuperDuper is that I [TS]

01:08:06   found that regular people really do [TS]

01:08:09   appreciate the ability to get back file [TS]

01:08:10   backs and I accidentally deleted because [TS]

01:08:12   that does happen a lot and I think [TS]

01:08:14   trying to get them to buy another piece [TS]

01:08:16   of third-party software and use it even [TS]

01:08:17   though super duper is super easy to use [TS]

01:08:19   it's nowhere close as easy as time [TS]

01:08:21   machine especially in terms of like [TS]

01:08:24   without me without my support can they [TS]

01:08:27   you know if their internal hard drive [TS]

01:08:28   goes bad you know like the Apple [TS]

01:08:31   ecosystem is set up to look for that [TS]

01:08:32   time machine dried out as you noted it's [TS]

01:08:34   put in if you put in another drive it [TS]

01:08:36   will it will offer like there's so much [TS]

01:08:37   more that they can successfully do [TS]

01:08:39   without any help from someone who is a [TS]

01:08:40   geek despite time machines limitations [TS]

01:08:43   most of which I'm avoiding by saying get [TS]

01:08:44   a firewire drive plug it into your [TS]

01:08:46   computer leave it on all the time most [TS]

01:08:48   of my relatives have like I max the [TS]

01:08:51   people with laptops it just peer out the [TS]

01:08:53   unplug in your laptop they don't need to [TS]

01:08:54   know you know the only the only kink in [TS]

01:08:58   this armor is and this is a sad document [TS]

01:09:00   that should pop up on the web someday [TS]

01:09:01   trying to explain to people how to mount [TS]

01:09:04   and unmount to drive the concept of [TS]

01:09:06   drive mounting you have your laptop go [TS]

01:09:07   over to this desk plug in this firewire [TS]

01:09:09   example that's all you need to do to do [TS]

01:09:11   the backup when you're done doing the [TS]

01:09:12   backup please don't just yank out the [TS]

01:09:14   cable you have to unmount the drive hmm [TS]

01:09:17   and try explaining that in words on a [TS]

01:09:19   Piton one sheet of paper because I want [TS]

01:09:21   to make a one sheet that you can tack to [TS]

01:09:22   the wall that explains the steps it is [TS]

01:09:24   really surprisingly hard it's like [TS]

01:09:26   trying to you know describe an elephant [TS]

01:09:27   to to a blind man it's just really [TS]

01:09:31   really difficult that is the the weak [TS]

01:09:33   spot in the armor and the weak spot is [TS]

01:09:35   that they don't want to go through that [TS]

01:09:36   procedure or they feel uncomfortable [TS]

01:09:38   with it so they avoid plug in their [TS]

01:09:39   laptop for too long I wish there was a [TS]

01:09:42   backup solution that SuperDuper would [TS]

01:09:43   have the same problem I wish there was [TS]

01:09:44   some sort of network thing but again you [TS]

01:09:46   know people who aren't geeks do not have [TS]

01:09:50   good network connections they have the [TS]

01:09:52   cheapest DSL they can get their Wi-Fi [TS]

01:09:54   stinks [TS]

01:09:54   that it's just it's a sad situation so [TS]

01:09:57   network backups or even in-house [TS]

01:09:59   wireless backups are not always an [TS]

01:10:01   option for them so I say Direct Connect [TS]

01:10:04   Drive and again the not buying Tower so [TS]

01:10:05   it can't be sad it's got to be firewire [TS]

01:10:07   USB and I'm still sticking to the [TS]

01:10:08   firewire train just because I've had [TS]

01:10:10   fewer problems with it you don't then [TS]

01:10:12   know just to decide you don't think [TS]

01:10:13   firewire is going to be gone from the [TS]

01:10:15   next couple generation to max you think [TS]

01:10:18   I don't know that that's part of that's [TS]

01:10:19   part of the restore thing like when you [TS]

01:10:21   do the restore the reason it's fast with [TS]

01:10:23   time machine with a firewire drive or [TS]

01:10:25   with another Mac we do migration [TS]

01:10:27   assistance it's because it puts the disk [TS]

01:10:28   that puts the Mac into firewire target [TS]

01:10:30   disk mode so it becomes the world's most [TS]

01:10:31   expensive hard drive enclosure you've [TS]

01:10:33   got a two thousand dollar machine that's [TS]

01:10:34   not really on it's just acting as an [TS]

01:10:36   enclosure for the one hard drive that's [TS]

01:10:37   in it and you get great transfer rates [TS]

01:10:40   doing it over a FP or any sort of [TS]

01:10:42   network stuff and doing it a Wi-Fi [TS]

01:10:44   worst-case scenario is way way slower [TS]

01:10:46   and it almost becomes unfeasible [TS]

01:10:47   remember people trying to do time [TS]

01:10:48   machinery stores or migration assistance [TS]

01:10:50   on the original MacBook Air it just [TS]

01:10:52   would simply never complete ever you [TS]

01:10:54   know it would freeze in the middle you [TS]

01:10:55   let it run for three days just it's a [TS]

01:10:57   bad scene so your thoughts are the same [TS]

01:11:00   for time capsule II don't recommend [TS]

01:11:02   people I do not recommend the time [TS]

01:11:04   capsule I also don't recommend Drobo by [TS]

01:11:05   the way [TS]

01:11:06   that's I mean obviously if you're [TS]

01:11:08   professional you know what you're doing [TS]

01:11:09   and you know you're getting into but and [TS]

01:11:10   the fact that you're backing up the [TS]

01:11:11   dribble makes me realize that you [TS]

01:11:13   definitely get it because I mean I think [TS]

01:11:16   I think people think of Joe Boaz as [TS]

01:11:18   invincible but it still has moving parts [TS]

01:11:21   in it I mean it's still it's a hardware [TS]

01:11:23   device that did you know they made the [TS]

01:11:25   hardware that makes that work yeah [TS]

01:11:26   inside there right it's not it's not a [TS]

01:11:29   commodity thing and I don't trust them [TS]

01:11:31   not to have bugs in their firmware not [TS]

01:11:32   corrupt every single one of those dicks [TS]

01:11:33   discs it's it's something that happens [TS]

01:11:36   though you know rate is not a backup and [TS]

01:11:38   Drobo is not a back right that's that's [TS]

01:11:39   something that a lot of people will say [TS]

01:11:41   and that and and that is that just [TS]

01:11:43   because you have raid whether it's [TS]

01:11:45   Drobo's raid or an ass or whatever it's [TS]

01:11:49   it's still not if that's your if that's [TS]

01:11:53   the primary place where you're storing [TS]

01:11:54   your data it's not a backup it's not [TS]

01:11:56   invincible it has points of failure to [TS]

01:11:59   the reason that we use the Drobo is and [TS]

01:12:02   I love the drill we have at Robo Pro [TS]

01:12:04   here and the reason I love it is when [TS]

01:12:07   you're doing the kind of stuff that [TS]

01:12:08   we're doing where we're creating like I [TS]

01:12:10   said four plus hours a day of you know [TS]

01:12:12   this this podcast uncompressed before we [TS]

01:12:16   mix it down and everything you know for [TS]

01:12:18   for an hour plus of recording it's going [TS]

01:12:21   to be a gig and a half in size and you [TS]

01:12:23   know when we mix it down it'll be a [TS]

01:12:25   twenty thirty Meg and you know mp3 but [TS]

01:12:28   we keep all those original files and [TS]

01:12:30   that eats up data fast so you know the [TS]

01:12:33   Drobo lets you expand that and that's [TS]

01:12:35   why we do it but no I mean it has a it [TS]

01:12:37   is it has failure points - so I have - [TS]

01:12:40   of course I have to back it up yeah and [TS]

01:12:42   the Drobo [TS]

01:12:43   the main advantage of Drobo I feel like [TS]

01:12:44   is it's a box that I always wish people [TS]

01:12:46   would make and once they made it I [TS]

01:12:47   realized that I still need backups but [TS]

01:12:50   it lets for individual people on a [TS]

01:12:53   budget it lets you get the most bang out [TS]

01:12:55   of your buck because as hard drive [TS]

01:12:57   prices go down you can take out the [TS]

01:12:58   smallest drive in your dri bow in your [TS]

01:13:00   Drobo and replace it with whatever the [TS]

01:13:02   sweet spot of size and price is in the [TS]

01:13:05   current range so you know 500 gig drives [TS]

01:13:07   or 80 bucks so you fill a thing with 500 [TS]

01:13:09   gig drives right then terabyte drives [TS]

01:13:11   ready bucks so you swap one 500 gig [TS]

01:13:13   drive one terabyte drive then 1.5 [TS]

01:13:14   terabyte drives are 80 bucks so you swap [TS]

01:13:16   another 500 for a 1.5 terabyte drive you [TS]

01:13:18   can do this while the thing is on with [TS]

01:13:20   out losing your data right and you just [TS]

01:13:21   slowly crawl up the ladder of price [TS]

01:13:23   performance and hard drive purchases and [TS]

01:13:25   then for an individual person not a [TS]

01:13:26   business because it's time to have more [TS]

01:13:28   money and just pack the thing with the [TS]

01:13:29   biggest drives they can get for an [TS]

01:13:31   individual this lets you have the most [TS]

01:13:33   storage with the least hassle for the [TS]

01:13:36   least amount of money but you still need [TS]

01:13:37   a backup yep you still need a backup so [TS]

01:13:41   good good probably good note to end on [TS]

01:13:43   do we want to do we want to announce [TS]

01:13:44   what next week's show is going to be on [TS]

01:13:46   do we know I'll probably add things to [TS]

01:13:48   the topic list and then you'll have to [TS]

01:13:49   pick some time on ones they're something [TS]

01:13:51   and we'll see what we do so people [TS]

01:13:52   people will just have to be surprised [TS]

01:13:54   but if you want to be part of the show [TS]

01:13:56   we love the the chatroom people they [TS]

01:13:59   great advice in there happens while [TS]

01:14:01   we're while we're talking we're doing [TS]

01:14:04   these shows at noon Eastern Time on [TS]

01:14:05   Fridays and we'll be back next week [TS]

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01:14:17   Twitter once in a while and today at [TS]

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01:14:22   circus there's no Z sound it's si r AC [TS]

01:14:25   USA USA just remember that and I'm Dan [TS]

01:14:29   Benjamin on Twitter and that does it for [TS]

01:14:31   this week so thanks for tuning in thanks [TS]

01:14:33   again for rate in the show on iTunes [TS]

01:14:35   anything else John we're forgetting I [TS]

01:14:37   think that's it all right have a good [TS]

01:14:39   one [TS]