Hypercritical

00:00:00 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► this is hypercritical weekly talkshow [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► ruminating on exactly what is wrong in [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► the microcosm of Apple from related [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► technologies and businesses nothing is [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► so perfect that it cannot be destroyed [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► by my co-host John siracusa i'm dan [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► benjamin and this is episode 19 like to [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► say a quick thank you to our two [TS]

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00:00:27 ◼   ► tips sound studio for which we'll tell [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► you about is a program commences how are [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► you John I'm pretty good it's a good day [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► for you today it's Friday before a [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► holiday weekend yeah it's gonna be nice [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► we got a hard stop at an hour though [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► hard stop I mean like hard is slam the [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► slam the laptop shut walk out the door [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► kind of hard stop we'll see what we can [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► do I hate doing that to you because I [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► know you like to go along Sarah I think [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► by the time an hour is up this room will [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► be put darn hot you know you're out the [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► summer podcasting situation oh I don't [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► think I can have the a/c on because it [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► will be too noisy that's what I'm just [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► doing turning it off oh why don't you [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► throw it off flip the switch you'll see [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► I don't want you to suffer she shouldn't [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► have to suffer for your art in 2011 I'll [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► go as long as I can we'll say well just [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► turn it on let's see here at the noise [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► and alright Anna that might not be bad [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► once we get you a good mic it won't be [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► bad I'm not editing any of this out it's [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► all stays what do you think I don't hear [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► a thing no reason for you to suffer it [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► sounds great [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► alright I'll leave it on and leave it on [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► I don't want you to said be tough I mean [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► you you're angry enough as it is [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► haven't you sweating in a sweat box in [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► there and then your old family is a dad [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► take a shower [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► terrible alright let's get started on [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► the clock we're on the clock [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► yep let's go we're starting to up time [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► yeah so what I did last week is I timed [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► how long it took my toaster to toast a [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► piece of bread ah starting from a cold [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► start what did you do last week I moved [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► 1,300 miles across the country but did [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► your time your toaster no I didn't I did [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► not it was in a box and a moving truck [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► somewhere [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► unbelievable I know how long did it take [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► I was close with my estimate it took [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► five minutes and eight second what for [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► single piece of bread come on five [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► minutes and 18 seconds I find it that's [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► not I know that's that's and you're [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► asking me last week like how long would [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► you take I just had to long well that's [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► that is to or that really long too long [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► it's just too darn long like next day it [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► doesn't seem like a long time the next [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► time you wake up in the morning look at [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► your clock and wait until the hand moves [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► five minutes and think that's how long [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► to get in Stokes that's how long John [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► siracusa waits for his toast no good [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► that is really a long time now before [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► you get it too much into your tirade [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► here III just want to say straight up at [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► the front of this at the top of the show [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► the the biggest response that I saw [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► coming in about toasters was if what he [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► wants is toast why doesn't he just use a [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► slot toaster oven they make really good [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► toast and both sides get toasted and [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► only takes like 45 seconds see when we [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► just jump right to that point sure uh I [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► I thought that kind of went without [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► saying maybe it's just I thought it was [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► implied in my discussion of toaster [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► ovens that I want to toaster oven [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► because I use the oven part of it I [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► didn't talk about the oven part of it [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► because that wasn't just kept talking [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► that toast right but at the toast was [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► the part doesn't work in the toaster up [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► in the oven part of the toaster oven [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► you know it works like an oven I don't [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► have particular complaints about that [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► part and the next question is well why [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► not just get both of them on I have a [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► slot toaster for toast and a toaster [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► oven for whatever you use that for I [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► just don't have the counter space for [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► two appliances you know so it's like we [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► have room for the toaster oven but no [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► place really to put the slot toaster [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► where we could get one so if I'm forced [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► to choose between the two appliances I [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► pick the one that can do two different [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► things and I mentioned in the last show [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► that you shouldn't be making pizza in [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► your toaster I meant like cooking pizza [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► one thing that you should be using your [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► toaster for or your oven is for things [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► like reheating a slice of pizza you [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► should not reheat the leftover pizza in [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► the microwave it just becomes a soggy [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► disgustingness if you have a lot of [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► pizza to reheat yeah use your oven but [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► if it's if you just have one slice of [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► pizza and you want to heat it up for [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► lunch or something let's put the toaster [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► oven is for um and it works right even [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► my crappy toaster heats up the pizza [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► just fine so that that's the slot [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► toaster [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► toaster oven thing actually it I'll [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► circle back to it after I talk about [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► this next bit here so this is the best [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► part about having a podcast or popular [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► podcast we got in an email from someone [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► who used to design toasters at Sunbeam [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► in the 1980s and he described all the [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► different aspects of toasters and why [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► I'm unhappy with my toaster a nice long [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► email this is exactly the kind of thing [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► you're looking for like an expert guy [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► who's been there and wrenches oh yeah to [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► tell us about [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► toaster technology so I'm not gonna go [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► into every detail that he got we got two [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► but the main thing he pinpointed about [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► my toaster and the reason it takes so [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► long is because it uses a steel tube [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► with internal coiled resistant wire [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► surrounding an electrical insulating [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► chip to produce heat I think I just [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► mangled that but anyway it's the thing [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► that heats up the thing that turns [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► orange is of a particular type that [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► takes a long time to heat up and his his [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► estimate was that it's going to take [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► like at least two minutes before that [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► thing starts glowing orange and the [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► glowing orange part is important because [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► toasters heat up things in different [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► ways the way he listed was a conduction [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► convection and radiation and radiation [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► heat is the one you want to like brown [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► your toast and that only happens once [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► you once the thing turns orange is a my [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► impression for reading this email so [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► since it takes my toaster two minutes [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► even to get that thing glowing orange [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► right away that that first two minutes [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► is not making you toast what it is doing [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► is it basically baking your bread or [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► turning it into a crouton or doing [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► something that's not real like it's [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► making it hot and strong it out but it's [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► not toasting it and the the the [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► benchmark for good toast is apparently [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► you want the outside to be toasted and [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► like lightly carbonized right or browned [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► or whatever but the inside should not be [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► all dried out it should still be like [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► moist you shouldn't have taken every [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► ounce of water and evaporated it out of [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► the middle of the toast so the longer [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► that piece of bread sits in there the [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► more it becomes a crouton the less it [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► becomes toast which is why slot toasters [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► make better toast because they very [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► quickly heat the outsides of the bread [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► and yes they do it evenly and so on and [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► so forth and because they do it so [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► quickly the inside is still moist when [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► they pop up you've got a toasted outside [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► the end of oyster inside now obviously [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► I'm not a toast kind of store all I just [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► want is the top and bottom to be cooked [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► relatively evenly and I can see how what [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► what he's saying is true that if I had a [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► slot toaster the inside of my [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► would be more moist than it is in this [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► toaster because for the first two [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► minutes is just you know taking moisture [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► out of the bread that that doesn't [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► magically give me more counter space but [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► it does make me consider like is there [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► something else I can move on the [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► counters to make room for a slot toaster [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► because maybe this is worth doing if I [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► can find a good slot toaster just to [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► just to see what the what it's like to [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► have better toast but I think I would [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► also be happy with a working toaster [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► oven so this guy I should give his name [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► there Lowell Burnham some other thing he [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► mentioned was uh different kinds of [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► heating elements and toasters another [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► one is a a radiant coil inside a clear [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► quartz tube which apparently glows [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► orange in about 15 seconds it gets much [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► hotter than the steel thing does the [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► only problem with that is that it could [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► have a tendency to scorch because it [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► does get so hot so it's like it's like a [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► balancing between the steel elements [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► that I have that probably do a better [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► job of baking without scorching versus [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► these which do a better job of toasting [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► and it is apparently a fairly big [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► balancing act to get a toaster oven that [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► does toast well does oven well it's a [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► constant trade-off which is why he was [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► basically saying you're never going to [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► get a toaster oven that makes his good [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► toast is slot toaster because it's [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► trying to do too many different things [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► and everything that works towards making [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► better toast works against the oven [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► function I I still was like something [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► that has a reasonable balance and I felt [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► like I had a reasonable balance back in [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► the day he mentioned at the old Black & [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► Decker I was talking about was actually [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► AG small appliances oven that changed [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► owners when G was sold to black & decker [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► so it should it shows that there is some [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► memory of like that one model that we [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► were all talking about it rang up I'm [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► also saying Westinghouse I don't know if [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► that was a related brand but back in the [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► day when there were fewer models [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► apparently whatever balance that one [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► struck over many years of refinement and [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► development I liked that balance and if [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► I could find one that had that balance I [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► would take it and it was nice to see [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► that in the show notes for last week's [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► show after it was over you added your [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► toaster and and Marko's toaster and then [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► I added my toaster so if you go back to [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► last week's show notes you can find [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► amazon links to all three of our [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► toasters and compare them if you look at [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► the amazon reviews or my toaster there's [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► some horrible ones in there nobody likes [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► it surprise surprise [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► one person sided exploded firing shards [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► of glass everywhere mine has done that [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► yet but it's definitely not a good [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► toaster yeah your toaster was like 180 [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► bucks as predicted right and Marcos was [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► in that price range too but I got to [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► tell you after looking at your toaster [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► and hearing your your reviews of it and [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► looking at the reviews online or reading [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► the manual and looking at the [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► measurements and everything I'm tempted [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► to give your toaster a try so it's I put [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► it on the Amazon wish list well I'll [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► tell I'll tell you what you my wife [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► researched this toaster and she is she [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► is the best at researching things and at [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► finding you know I don't want to say [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► finding deals because it's not about [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► that it's finding the right quality to [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► cost ratio and she did a lot she did [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► liked a lot of research on this toaster [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► and because I had to look a certain way [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► and be a certain thing with the other [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► thing and she this is really the [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► culmination of a lot of her you know her [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► research combined with my somewhat [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► specific requirements of the that you [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► know when I do want to cook something in [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► or do something it has to be a certain [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► thing as to easy-to-clean really like [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► this toaster I don't think Marcos [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► toaster is worth your time I get I would [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► didn't but is on my wish list that [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► interface look bad and I that is his [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► buttons were underneath the lit the the [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► front lid thing that flaps down like [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► when you open it you're covering the [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► controls that seems silly to my strange [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► this is also I think a little bit bigger [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► your measurements are actually very [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► similar to the measurements of my [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► toaster so it would fit in the spot I [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► have on it for the counter so anyway [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► it's on the list maybe I'll ask for it [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► as a Christmas present I maybe I will [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► buy it for you guys because don't that [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► be an exciting Christmas toaster maybe [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► we should take a little donation from [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► the audience that one that want you to [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► have this and we you know take a little [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► funds or something you don't have to [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► pass the Hat I can I can afford a [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► toaster it's just a question of pulling [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► the trigger deciding that I want this in [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► my life and that I can't handle the [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► toaster that I have now or should I just [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► continue to use the toaster that I have [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► now until it actually does melt into a [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► pile of cheap plastic and bright metal [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► well because I have no idea where we're [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► going to be living and and when we'll [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► actually get our stuff into that place I [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► if you can wait for however many weeks [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► it takes to for all of that to be sorted [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► out [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► if you can wait then when the toaster [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► finally arrives here in Austin I will I [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► we I will time it I will make a video [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► for you I'll do whatever you like just [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► just to stop watch the cold start in the [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► morning put the bread in close the door [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► press those button start the clock take [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► it out when you think it's done to your [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► satisfaction I didn't go super dark [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► toast it was you know just brown it's [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► one but also by the way I took mine out [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► when the bottom was brown the top was [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► not even toasted yet because my toaster [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► is so horrible does one side so if I had [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► waited for both you can't wait for both [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► sides to be done because by the time the [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► top is done the bottom is burnt so I was [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► going entirely bought based on the [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► bottom so it would take even longer if [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► I'd waited for the top to get some color [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► on I have a bad toaster is the moral not [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► terrible all right a couple more quick [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► follow-ups so I was talking about [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► Twitter and in-band signaling the other [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► day I'm surprised I didn't see more of [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► this in the chat room one or two people [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► in the chat room picked it up but [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► apparently I'm completely out of the [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► loop on Twitter because in May of last [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► year at some presentation in London [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► Twitter announced a new thing called [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► Twitter annotations which is just what [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► it sounds like it allows you when [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► sending a tweet to just tack on a bunch [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► of annotations that's metadata it's [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► exactly what I was talking about it's [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► basically arbitrary metadata for your [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► tweet so you could put in whatever you [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► want there and then clients just have to [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► read that metadata and apply it and [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► apparently this is what Twitter itself [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► uses or something similar to do it's [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► like link short and stuff so that the [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► text it's not really what I want it [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► because the text in tweet still has the [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► link shortener length the TCO thing but [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► then the annotation is tell you what the [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► real URL is so you don't have to go look [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► it up through the shortener or anything [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► like that but you could in theory use [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► these annotations for everything for you [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► know who you're applying to us you [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► wouldn't have to have the @ name at the [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► beginning of the tweet links you know [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► you could just have like byte-range [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► offsets and or you can even do like a [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► markup type thing where you just tag the [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► the the pieces of information and then [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► link them back to a URL like basically [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► there is a facility for doing this the [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► fact that it hasn't been picked up was [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► probably just momentum because you need [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► you need the clients to support it and [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► it's kind of a chicken and egg thing and [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► who's going to be the first client to [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► support this type of thing or who's [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► going to be the first client to generate [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► these types of tweets like sort of rich [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► Exce tweets with annotations on them [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► when they're not sure that anybody else [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► will be able to see it or that it'll [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► look all weird and screwed up when other [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► people see it so the transition is [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► always a difficult part transitioning [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► from clients that work the way they do [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► now to ones that use this annotations [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► instead of everything being in line so [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► it may be too little too late but you [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► can't really fault twitter for not [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► having an api the only weird thing about [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► it is that the the total size of [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► annotations can't be any more than 512 [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► bytes they're really big on their data [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► limits so you don't get you could [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► probably blow through that with you know [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► a bunch of long URLs in a tweet and [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► already you're out of them this is a [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► total size of like the entire annotation [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► not just the values this is I think like [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► you can you pack it up to JSON or [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► whatever that whole thing has to be like [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► 512 bytes and they say they're hoping to [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► increase that up to 2k but it's not like [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► for attaching images for example or [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► anything like that but I do have an API [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► for it and the fact that I'd never heard [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► of it shows just how few clients are [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► apparently using this it's kind of a [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► shame that it's out there and it doesn't [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► seem to be a clear transition path maybe [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► when Twitter has completely wiped out [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► all the third-party clients they will be [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► more free to more quickly innovate with [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► the clients they own and control adding [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► support for these annotations alright [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► what else will be having what else have [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► you got in there [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► we're definitely yeah intel SSD [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► warranties are now up to five years a [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► bunch of people sent me that when we're [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► talking about SSD reliability did you [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► see that story go by this week no I [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► totally missed that one I haven't been [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► following used as much because [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► everything going on what did it say so [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► it's like Intel's new line of SSDs like [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► the you know they're they're brand new [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► best performing SSDs now have a [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► five-year warranty on and you know the [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► press releases say you know Intel is so [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► confident and so happy with the [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► reliability of its of its devices that [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► it's increasing the warranty on these [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► things to five years and they're they're [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► working great and blah blah blah and a [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► lot of people sent this in to me you [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► know saying see your worries are [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► unfounded because these things have five [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► year warranties and hard drives most [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► hard drives only have three so SSDs you [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► know they must have a lot of confidence [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► that these things are going to last a [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► long time when I see a company increase [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► its warranties like that and do a press [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► release about it it makes me more wary [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► maybe them too cynical more worried [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► about reliability not less because very [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► rarely does it man [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► factor increase its warranty with [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► fanfare unless it's a reaction against [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► any you know bad PR that they have [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► reliability problems you know like they [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► want to show that we are not like those [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► other SS all right reliability problems [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► ours are really safe trust us but I mean [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► you could say like well who cares what [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► the reasoning is five years is still [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► five years and whether they're doing or [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► for cynical reasons or not or just to [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► try to get you to buy their stuff or try [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► to counter the prevailing story about [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► reliability who cares you still get a [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► free one for five years so I am pretty [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► much happy that their increase in the [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► warranty to five years but I am still [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► suspicious of the reliability and the [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► other thing about this warranty is that [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► it's not like five years period full [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► stop it's five years but there's like [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► fine print text that says but we have [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► our own little internal calibration on [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► each drive that says you get X number of [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► gigabytes of i/o per unit of time and if [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► you blow through a we consider to be the [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► the lifetimes work of this SSD and if [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► you blow through that in a year and a [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► half or two years because you're [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► constantly reading writing huge blocks [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► well then tough you don't get your [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► warranty and they have a different a [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► different price range for like [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► enterprise usage versus regular usage [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► and while I was clicking around those [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► stories and so someone else's link I [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► wish I could find it but I couldn't find [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► ever the show notes but they were [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► showing what their drive was reporting [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► as the useful life left in it after [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► using it for a year because you could [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► just you can query the drive and say [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► what how much life time you have left [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► like sort of like the oil lifetime on [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► your car or whatever and he was way [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► farther through the lifetime his Drive [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► than he thought he would be after only a [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► year and a half or so I don't know what [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► Intel's numbers are for the usage but [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► the fact that there's a tiered thing for [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► enterprise versus regular user and stuff [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► and the fact that the five-year thing is [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► null and void if you go through what it [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► considers to be a reasonable amount of [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► i/o it just gets back to that you know [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► the nature of solid-state storage is [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► that there's a limited number of rights [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► that you get and once you go through [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► them it's a physical limit on the [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► storage that's that's it you know [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► there's no getting around that so that [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► you know they give you over capacity [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► sometimes that Enterprise drives to give [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► you like four or five times the space [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► you actually need to give you the [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► Headroom to do all those right so when [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► you wear out a certain section of cells [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► they move to another one yeah these [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► things will be started at in time I [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► think the warranty increase is a move in [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► the right direction [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► I just hope Intel doesn't lose it [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► on the warranty increase they probably [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► won't because most people will buy these [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► things and not using that heavily and so [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► it'll be fine but I'm feeling that I use [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► my drives pretty heavily giving them [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► have disc thrashing I see my system [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► doing most of the time especially with [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► all the backups constantly raising all [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► reading all this data downloading this [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► last night that so I continue to wait [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► once I can get a one terabyte SSD for a [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► reasonable price I will almost certainly [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► buy one but that day is not today [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► all right I think it's all the follow up [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► I have record time huh that was really [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► good time I mean 20 22 minutes not less [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► than that 18 cents yes it's a fantastic [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► you're under sponsor you're gonna stick [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► it in later I'll stick it in now this [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► episode is sponsored by harvest and time [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► tracking and invoicing web-based [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► application you can send your clients [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► beautiful professional invoices via [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► email PDF or on the web you can accept [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► online credit card and check payments [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► and more you can even this is cool while [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► you're traveling I know you travel a lot [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► you fly a lot right John for work I mean [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► a lot of people do a lot of people [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► aren't like us and they don't mind [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► getting on planes and then when they're [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► out there they want to you know they [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► want to expense stuff or they want to [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► give they want to give their receipts to [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► the system how do they do that well with [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► this you could just you can take a [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► picture of your receipt and upload it [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► straight into the app how cool is that [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► well harvest is free for 30-days [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► but if you use code five by five TV all [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► one word all upper case you'll get 50% [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► off your first month after the 30 days [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► so check them out at get harvest calm [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► love these guys now let's let's make it [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► worth their while go check these guys [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► out get harvest calm I've heard so many [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► horror stories of people who do travel [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► for work have the things they have to go [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► through to get reimbursed oh yeah are [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► the expenses that they incurred that did [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► not is perhaps the vision is the least [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► evolved part of corporate culture so [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► many other parts of you know have gotten [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► better over the years but that's like [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► that that's where the trolls live in the [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► department that tries to give you the [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► money for your cab fare or whatever [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► alright ready for the show's topic I'm [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► so ready I'm ready [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► you're not ready [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► the topic you didn't want oh no not this [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► one yes this was this is the one all [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► right you're lucky it'll be it'll be it [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► you know it has to be short yeah you [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► your CE will suffer not too much [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► microwave ovens no oh so I'm gonna talk [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► about the finder um this is something I [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► talked about a lot a while ago I don't [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► feel like I've talked about that much [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► since but people are sick of hearing [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► about it from me so there is sort of [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► this I don't know [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► worn-out factor to the topic that's [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► probably why you don't want to hear [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► about it but you're going to because I [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► think it's time so I wrote about this [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► originally about eight years ago makes [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► me feel old to say that but that's how [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► long it was and I think probably to this [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► day it is my least understood article [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► mostly because I did a bad job of [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► communicating it's not the fault of the [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► reader that it was least understood it's [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► it's my fault now when I go back and [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► read it it looks like everything I [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► wanted to say is in there so it's not [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► like I didn't say what I wanted to say [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► but I said a bunch of other stuff too [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► and if you're not me you don't know [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► which stuff you should be concentrating [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► on like those it's just too big and [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► flabby really this is linked in the show [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► notes it's the first link in the show [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► notes the title of the article was about [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► the finder from April 2003 I tried to [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► when I did a retrospective like last [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► year about ten years of Mac os10 reviews [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► I tried to summarize the issues that [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► were described originally in that 2003 [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► article I think that's a bitter you know [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► read six paragraphs and figure out what [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► back I'm talking about summary but it [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► does assume knowledge of reason that [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► came before it I think so I'm not sure [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► how good it is for a starting point but [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► I have that in the show notes as well [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► the page that link - you just have to [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► scroll down a little bit to get to the [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► part where I talk about the finder again [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► so this time on the show I'm going to [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► give it another another run at this [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► topic because maybe talking I'll be [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► better than I was writing about it I [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► really doubt it but we'll give it a go [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► I'm going to try slightly different [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► angle this time because every other [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► thing that I've tried has not worked [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► that well this requires some [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► participation from you meaning you [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► ask questions and and challenge me on [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► things don't make sense to you because I [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► really just talked about and thought [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► about this so much and maybe glossing [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► over things okay thank you for [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► permission to do that beyond yours be on [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► your toes all right all right so what [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► what the heck are we talking about this [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► is my new ankle a new angle as as I [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► usually do on the show is to start from [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► the history and I will it put it in [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► historical context I'll get that bus so [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► what I'm going to describe here is what [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► were the earliest sort of mass-market PC [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► interfaces what were they like like you [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► know pcs that were used more than by a [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► dozen or so people we don't really like [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► the first time I don't like Apple to IBM [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► PC the first time the personal computer [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► started to appear as a phrase and Time [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► magazine and stuff like that the dawning [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► of the PC age [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► so what were those interfaces like and [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► how I'm going to categorize them as they [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► were like conversations so you turn on [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► this this PC thing that you've got and [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► it would do some stuff and eventually [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► you'd be faced with sort of a blinking [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► prompt asking for input so that was the [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► conversation starter was the computer [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► saying to you and what what will you [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► have me do if I do like some instruction [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► right and there's really no indication [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► what it is you should do with that like [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► you have the paper manual that came with [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► the computer and you could read about it [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► you can learn something but just looking [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► at if you just brought the computer out [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► of the box you never use a PC before you [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► turned it on you got that blinking [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► prompt assuming you could even figure [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► out that it wanted you to type on a [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► keyboard to enter text at that prompt [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► which you would probably figure out [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► shortly you don't know what to type but [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► presuming you read the manual whatever [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► you know you would type instruction [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► that's your side of the conversation and [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► then you hit return to send it to the [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► computer and the computer would give you [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► an answer that read to tell you the [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► result of the question that you asked or [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► maybe you would ask follow-up questions [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► or would do something in response to [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► your command but it was basically a [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► conversation you tell what to do it [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► gives information back to you tell [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► something different it gives information [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► back back and forth right and that was [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► the dominant paradigm of using a PC as [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► far as people were concerned [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► basically until the Macintosh I mean and [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► again I'm only talking mass-market and I [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► want to get email from the people who [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► will tell me that you know such-and-such [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► computer had a GUI before the Mac and [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► everything that Mac was the one that [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► popularized this for better or for worse [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► and it you know it gets the credit in [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► history so when the Macintosh came [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► around and it started to be appear [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► magazines and everything it was a [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► different experience you turned on a Mac [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► when you first got out of the box and [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► you didn't get a command prompt so there [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► was no you know the reason you got a [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► command prompt models other computers is [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► it was like usually basic or something [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► built-in so what you were typing at in [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► the beginning was probably a basic [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► prompt or you were going to type some [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► sort of command to tell it what Drive to [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► load you know the program out of or [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► whatever to boot from this driver to run [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► this program and this driver something [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► like that when you turn it on a Mac you [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► didn't get a prompt of any kind and if [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► you did if your just took it out of the [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► box plugged in turns it on what you [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► would get is a picture on the screen of [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► what was supposed to be a floppy disk [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► which may or may not have been [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► recognizable to people because these [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► disks look a little bit different than [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► the older floppy disks with a blinking [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► question mark on it and I was trying to [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► tell you like that's it's it's visual [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► way of saying disk do you have a disk [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► for me and there's nothing you could do [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► with that screen you couldn't type stuff [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► there was no command prompt you couldn't [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► you know click on anything even if you [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► know how to use the mouse it was saying [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► that it needed a disk with pictures but [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► not with words which is interesting [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► because it saves on localization you [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► know obviously this has to be in the ROM [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► you don't have to localize the ROM so [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► use a picture of the floppy disk with a [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► question mark [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► assuming you figured out that that it [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► wanted a disk you take the disk the [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► computer came with and you shove it in [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► there and it would start going through [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► all this stuff would bring up a little [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► box it says welcome to Macintosh and [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► eventually would boot into what we now [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► know is the finder but what if you were [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► just looking at this what you would say [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► is a bunch of pictures on the screen [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► with little rectangles that look kind of [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► like little pieces of paper with the [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► Kalama faulted and little diamond shapes [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► and then windows with scroll bars and [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► all this sorts of stuff and it wasn't [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► asking you for anything there wasn't a [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► prompt to we're expecting you to type [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► some commands it was more like you were [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► looking at this thing now that the thing [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► was the desktop the desktop metaphor [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► when when people are writing about the [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► Macintosh early on that's what they were [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► they love to talk about like yeah [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► there's a little trash can in the corner [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► isn't it adorable and these little icons [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► look like [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► it just is just like an office not [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► really a desk I was like an office you [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► know your office is a trash can your [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► office has folders your office has [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► pieces of paper you know those things [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► right yeah and this is what people got [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► stuck on especially in the early days [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► everybody talked about the Mac like wow [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► it's easy to use because it uses this [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► metaphor of things that people are [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► familiar with right you don't have to [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► learn very much to use it right but they [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► were saying like it's because because [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► people already know what a trash can is [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► and because we have you know that the [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► graphical capabilities to draw something [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► that people will recognize as trash can [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► but the pixels are really small right [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► and we have good artists and stuff and [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► we can draw this little thing it looks [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► like a folder and people know what [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► folders are already so there's not [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► there's nothing to learn it's familiar [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► right that's all people we're talking [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► about that but I think that's a [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► distraction the maybe in the early days [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► that was important in terms of like [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► making people feel comfortable so [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► they're not intimidated because they see [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► symbols on the screen that that look [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► like things that they are familiar with [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► but the real difference was that it [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► stopped being a conversation in almost [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► an adversarial conversation where the [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► computer says now you will type [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► something here and you were saying I [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► don't know what to type I'll try this [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► and it would say no you have typed the [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► wrong thing is something different no [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► that's the wrong thing to you type that [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► okay now I'll do what you told me to do [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► but I'm not going to tell you really [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► what that was maybe I'll tell you [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► whether it was successful or not maybe [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► silence means it was successful you know [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► that was intimidating versus this thing [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► where what it gave you is not a [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► conversation but a thing now I I got off [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► my first Mac when I was like 9 or 10 [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► years old 1984 and giving this computer [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► to me and I had Mac's before I max [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► before I had computers before that [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► booted to a prompt and I'd done basic [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► program stuff like that so I understood [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► the concept of booting to a problem do [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► this thing but you gave me this other [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► thing did not boot to a prompt booted to [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► this this desktop and the mouse control [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► the cursor it was pretty clear what you [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► did with the mouse was just like a kind [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► of extension of your hand you move it [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► around the screen it's got one button on [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► the mouse what do you do is when the [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► little arrow was over something you push [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► the button and you see what the heck [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► happens it was kind it was kind of like [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► giving someone like an ant farm or like [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► a tavern puzzle or one of those 161 kids [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► it was it was like a thing not not a not [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► a conversation not not a challenge not [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► not a game but a thing where you could [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► poke the thing and you'd see how it [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► react like in a you know in it farm you [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► know what happens if I stick a stick in [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► there what happens if I cover over this [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► though anthill you know what happens if [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► and upset and shake or you know a tavern [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► puzzle you know what happens when I pull [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► this metal thing out whatever's gonna [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► you know so even as a nine-year-old who [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► had never seen a GUI before you could [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► pretty quickly figure out all right well [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► this is only really one way to get input [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► aside it wasn't touching the keyboard [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► because it was no there was no props [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► there was no type you know the number of [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► things you can type on a keyboard is [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► nearly infinite but clicking it's like [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► well I can click on these little [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► pictures on the screen and eventually [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► you figure out if you click two times [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► faster than something different you can [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► click and hold down and it drags you you [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► could figure out how it worked without [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► having to read a manual and without [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► having to type every possible string of [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► characters that you can type on a [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► keyboard and that in my view was was the [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► big difference between the Macintosh way [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► and the pre Macintosh way sort of the [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► GUI in the non GUI way is not not the [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► desktop metaphor and all the little [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► folders and letting people know what the [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► things were but the fact that you could [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► figure it out by trial and error in a [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► reasonable amount of time because it [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► worked more like a physical yeah object [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► then then like you know some sort of [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► obscure game system right well there's a [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► lot of value though to that to that [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► metaphor yeah I mean obviously the [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► metaphor was helping to be the thing to [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► look like a folder you'd have some [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► notion of what it might do and you could [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► open it you could put stuff in it you [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► know yeah I mean it was helping you [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► understand what was going on if they had [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► made them circle squares and Diamonds it [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► would have been more difficult to [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► understand but but even if they had make [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► them Sir made them circle squares and [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► diamonds [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► kids in particular would figure it out [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► because if you think about video games [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► of the time everything on screen was [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► like a circle or a square or daimond or [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► some other simple shape very clued [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► crudely drawn with big hunk and pixels [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► but we didn't really care like the [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► abstraction went away but you could fare [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► like okay I in asteroids on this little [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► arrow shaped thing all right but it's [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► clear you know what other shape it is [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► you could have bit its circle diamond [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► whatever it's it's you that's you that's [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► the thing it shoots the asteroid hits [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► you and you die and no matter what shape [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► any of those objects are you could [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► change them all into completely [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► different pictures the game still makes [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► sense once you use it now the finder [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► it's right in his name is that the point [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► of the finder was to find things and is [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► it's interesting to contrast the the way [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► you find things the conversation wavers [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► is the Macintosh way so knowing what [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► things you were supposed to be finding [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► is one thing you know the fact that they [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► look like little [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► pieces of paper with the corners folded [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► or folders tell you if I'm looking for [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► something it's probably one of those [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► piece of paper things it's like my [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► electronic piece of paper or and they [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► might be inside of the folder something [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► like that but and all the screens you to [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► know that but pretend you knew it was [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► you refining the conversation way it was [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► like like a text adventure what you [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► would do is like you get at the prompt [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► that you type like look room that's the [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► equivalent of like LS order or one of [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► those commands and that would this is [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► theme of like info context adventures [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► and it would say exits or a B and C you [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► know and those are like you would list [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► the files and fold it in there and then [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► you'd say okay fine go to a or go north [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► that's that's C D right change directory [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► then you type look room again and it [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► would tell you what's in that room right [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► if anyone's played a text adventure this [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► is the process of wandering around text [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► adventure you this text printed on the [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► screen explain to you what's around but [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► you have to prompt you to say tell me [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► what's here where are my exits okay [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► going to that exit look around here do [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► that to that take this thing and put it [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► on top of that examine this okay go here [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► go there all the while you're moving [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► around your current location is kind of [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► kept in your head and you can ask the [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► computer where am i right that's instead [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► of the state you can say where am i [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► current working directory will say [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► you're in the north lobby there exist [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► north south oh yeah I forgot about that [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► and you spend a while and they're doing [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► stuff or whatever and you come back and [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► go to the computer so where am I tell me [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► again right but if you're just working [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► you're maintaining that state in your [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► head like what is my current directory [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► how did I get here [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► what are the contents of this directory [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► you know stuff like that yeah the [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► Macintosh Way was more like I was trying [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► to come up with a good analogy for this [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► is but it was not like a text adventure [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► it was more like like I said like a [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► physical thing like say you were looking [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► for something in a tool box like one of [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► those big red tool boxes in a garage [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► with 15 million drawers although it's [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► more like an infinitely deep tool box [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► bragging centers within drawers dr. you [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► open the drawer and inside that is [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► another drawer instead as another drawer [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► but that's that shouldn't distract from [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► the fact that that's the process of [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► doing stuff that your look room [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► equivalent is you open the drawer and [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► there is no command to look at the room [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► you just look with your eyes and you see [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► what are the contents of this you know [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► when I open this folder it opens this [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► window what's in that window I don't ask [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► the computer what's in the window the [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► computer shows me and if I can't see [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► something just like I can't see [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► something in a drawer I like pull the [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► drawer arm or move stuff out of the way [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► you know you dig around you rummage [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► around in there and yes you may find [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► another drawer inside there except [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► style and open that drawer and look [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► what's in there right and so the state [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► of where you are and what it was you're [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► looking at was maintained visually by [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► the computer you didn't have to remember [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► where you were you just look and see [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► like you know what what is it what is [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► where am i what is in this place that I [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► am it you know then there was a title [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► bar the window or whatever but you would [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► see this is what's in this window and [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► especially in the early days there's [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► like three or four icons per window you [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► could see everything that was in either [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► one of them and if you wanted to know [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► how did I get here [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► well you could see like where the drawer [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► was sticking out of in other words so [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► you could see by where the drawer when [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► you double-click the folder would do [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► that little animation and it would show [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► you this is coming from there it was [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► very crude animation because it was 1984 [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► but it would have a series of lines [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► saying you know that folds of the [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► double-clicked is now opening this thing [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► that's where it came from and it would [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► gray out the the place where it came [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► from [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► and the new window would be in that [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► location and that's where the stuff [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► would be and you scroll around to look [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► for stuff and that's the key part is the [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► looking around for stuff was literally [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► looking around like when you rummage [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► through a like a junk drawer for [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► something you are you know and if the [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► drawer is messy it's going to be harder [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► to find stuff you know but but you you [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► can look around for stuff by you know [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► scrolling is not much different than [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► pulling out the drawer more moving stuff [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► out of the way with your hands you can [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► move stuff around and arrange things [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► however you want it if you're into lock [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► organization you can make a nice neat [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► junk drawer where you say okay well let [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► me I keep going in this drawer to get [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► stuff let me just arrange stuff the way [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► I want it to be so it'll to be you know [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► it'll be easier to find next time maybe [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► I'll put them in alphabetical order [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► maybe I'll put them in little groups [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► maybe I'll just arrange them arbitrarily [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► maybe I'll put my favorite ones on the [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► upper left and you know whatever you [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► want to do but eventually what you do is [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► you have a place for everything and [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► everything in its place [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► visually and this is this is kind of a [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► bargain that people are used to kind of [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► let me arrange things in places right [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► and people used to this in the real [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► world because this is what this is what [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► keeping your house is like or your [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► arranging your room or whatever it's up [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► to you to more or less you know keep [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► your silverware a nice neat pile so that [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► you know where the forks are instead of [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► putting all your so we're into a big [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► jumble if you want to put all your so [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► were in a big jumble fine and when you [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► want to go in there looking for a fork [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► you can you know sift through the stuff [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► and find the fork where but that's up to [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► you this is the bargain of life and this [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► is this was the bargain of the Mac [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► presented you with is that you could [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► arrange things however you wanted and if [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► you're a neat person you could be [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► needing you're a sloppy person you can [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► be slob [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► and what it did whether you need or [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► sloppy was it eventually let you build [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► up a memory of where things are the same [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► way kind of this is an example I use one [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► of the early articles I'll bring that [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► again just because I think it's it's [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► still a good one the same way when you [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► move into a new house which you'll be [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► doing shortly hopefully I hold you first [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► move in you don't really know where all [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► the light switches are right so every [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► time you come in home you're like is [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► this on the inside especially if you [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► can't move to New England from someplace [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► else the England puts light switches to [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► the bathrooms on the outside crazy stuff [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► like that from you know really old [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► houses just so you can like goof on on [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► your kids and turn the light off while [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► they're in there in the shower yeah I [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► don't know why that is some person is a [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► contractor in New England will send us [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► an email and explain why the light [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► switches can you do your best New [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► England accent of the imitating the [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► contractor coming in and what he would [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► say I do not have a New England accent [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► nor can I imitate one NORC and most [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► people in Hollywood but I know one money [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► you can do Boston but yeah so but when [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► you've been there for a while eventually [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► you remember all the lights which is art [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► it's not like you spent some time like [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► okay kids we're going to spend an hour [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► tonight to memorize where all the light [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► switches are you don't expend any effort [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► on remembering where the light switch is [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► are you just leave you lived there for a [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► week [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► two weeks eventually you remember old [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► lights resort how the hell do you do [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► that how is it that suddenly you know [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► where all the light switches are and you [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► expended literally zero conscious [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► thought to remember where the light rays [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► are well you remember where they are [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► because they don't move and you know [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► yeah you didn't choose you didn't even [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► choose to put them there but you know [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► some other person but them in crazy [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► positions but eventually you remember [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► where they are just you know we call it [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► muscle memory or whatever we call it [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► obviously your muscles don't actually [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► have memory these are all phrases that [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► we've come up with to describe the [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► sensation of us not haven't you not use [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► our people brains to remember where [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► things are just happens automatically so [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► that's like that's obviously not me I'm [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► not thinking about it it's muscle memory [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► my muscles know so when I walk into the [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► room even it's like in the middle the [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► night I'm getting up to take a leak my [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► hand just automatically flicks the light [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► switch on I didn't think about it just [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► happened right so this obviously is easy [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► for something stationary like light [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► switch just don't move it you can have [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► the same experience with things that you [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► choose to put somewhere like eventually [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► when you move into new house you decide [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► where you're going to put the scissors [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► so that every time you want the scissors [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► you go and get this eventually you stop [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► thinking about where the scissors are [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► you just go I need to go get the [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► scissors it's like a macro [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► your body gets up walks through the [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► house without hitting any of the walls [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► correctly turns on all the lights which [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► is on its way there opens the drawer [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► where you know the scissors are takes [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► the scissors out of the drawer maybe [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► you're not even looking walks back with [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► the room of the scissors and you do your [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► thing right because you chose that this [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► is going to be in this drawer and you [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► have been living in this house for a [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► while and you've you know arranged the [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► furniture in a certain way and the rooms [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► are connected in a certain way [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► electrodes are a certain way all because [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► it behaves like the physical world and [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► it's not not surprising that people are [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► good at doing this because people have [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► been living in the physical world since [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► there have been people you have to [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► navigate 3d space look at things with [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► your eyes and do repetitive tasks [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► without thinking about them because if [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► we had to think like you know like [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► you're programming a robot pick up your [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► foot move it forward slightly lean your [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► body forward now your foot your body is [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► starting to tilt catch it with your foot [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► catch though I mean we don't think like [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► things become sort of automatic for us [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► to do because we this is just how we [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► evolved if we had to think consciously [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► about every little thing that we did we [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► would not be a successful species so the [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► human mind body and brain are completely [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► tuned to do things based on visual input [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► with our hands physically without [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► thinking about it and this is the the [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► most efficient possible way that you can [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► do anything really now the reason this [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► ties back to the Mac is that this is [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► what the Mac was like especially to [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► young childhood note to it know a thing [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► - it wasn't a change for anything it was [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► like the first interface that I've used [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► right it was like a little like a little [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► toy box like a little place where you [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► could rearrange things now they weren't [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► real things they were flat [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► two-dimensional things but they behaved [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► like real things they'd be it was like a [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► little diorama okay [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► and you just move things around arrange [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► things like looks like a little tiny [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► world in there and and the great thing [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► about it was that you know you could [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► draw lines and erase them and you didn't [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► you know it wasn't like paper they were [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► raised perfectly you could arrange [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► things perfectly and align them on this [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► pixel grid which is difficult to do in [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► real life and everything but but it was [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► this little world that you could [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► manipulate and the experience of the Mac [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► was that you turned it on and that's [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► what you saw like it wasn't like a [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► program that you ran right it wasn't [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► like you were running the finder program [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► then you know when you turn the computer [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► on on a boot did this is what you saw [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► applications ran on the computer when [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► you launched an application then you saw [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► something else and it was like oh okay [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► this is this application is interfaced [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► and this has palettes or it's a game or [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► you know [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► it's whatever but when you quit the [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► application nothing else is running you [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► just saw the computer all right the [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► finder is what you saw when all the [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► applications were closed it was no [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► closing of the finder right to close the [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► finder was to turn off the computer and [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► the the upshot of this is what I wrote [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► way back in 2003 I still believe to this [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► day is that back then the finder was the [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► computer it's not like it was a program [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► running on the computer the finder was [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► the computer when it was it was a [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► magical little world called the finder [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► and that was the entire computer and [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► then you could run things on top of it [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► those were just like bonuses and the [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► reason the Mac was more friendly and [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► people liked it was not in my opinion so [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► much is because of desktop metaphor but [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► because that when everything was quit [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► and closed you were just left with the [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► computer [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► you were left this little diorama thing [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► that people could understand and manage [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► they understood how it works because it [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► worked like the real world and if you [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► used it for any reasonable period of [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► time it was like the light switches in [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► your house you arrange things in a [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► certain way you knew where things were [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► or you chose not to arrange them and you [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► just live with the messy junk drawer but [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► at least you knew where the junk drawer [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► was right and it was it was a bargain [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► that people were used to and it felt [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► friendly it felt less effort than [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► remembering which you have to make a [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► conscious effort to remember all these [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► commands very few people you know make [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► programmers or maybe your UNIX geeks and [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► stuff have the capacity to remember all [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► these commands because you do have to [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► read man pages in the beginning and [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► remember what that flag tell s is and [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► remember what are the arguments go on on [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► the Ln command and stuff like that like [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► even no matter how good you are at [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► memorizing computers you have to make [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► some effort and some people can never [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► cross that threshold you know some [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► people you tried to teach simple [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► command-line stuff they never never get [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► over the hump they you know it is an [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► effort but if you put someone in front [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► of a 1984 Macintosh and you make them [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► use it for a week to do simple tasks [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► they will eventually figure out the very [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► least to find a part of it with like [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► okay well where's that file okay it's [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► over here over here there it is or [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► although you know put stuff on a desktop [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► or whatever um and so that was that was [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► the the the thing that the Mac [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► represented to me that was what made it [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► what they called user friendly right it [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► was because it wasn't a cop an [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► adversarial conversation where you [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► weren't getting hints by the computer it [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► was because it was more like a thing now [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► what else do I have here in my last [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► remaining ten minutes which time am I [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► supposed to [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► be interrupting you on well so all right [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► we'll get through it I think all right [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► let me let me do the second sponsor we [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► also want to say thanks to sound studio [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► for its an easy to you I love this app [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► review system today's use Mac app for [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► recording and editing digital audio on [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► your computer you can digitize tapes [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► vinyl records you can record live [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► performances podcasts whatever you want [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► to do and you can edit with it - you can [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► do mixes crossfades tweak the levels in [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► the EQ you can export in all of your [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► favorite formats a if' wav mp3 AAC even [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► john Syracuse's favorite the OGG Vorbis [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► you can try sound studio for for free [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► for 15 days fully functional by visiting [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► felt-tip comm /ss for sound studio or if [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► you just want to go check it out in the [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► App Store you could do it they sell it [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► there just search for sound studio or [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► sound studio for and you'll find it love [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► this app use this app constantly any [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► time I need to just do string forward [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► recordings I don't want to have to mess [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► with logic and all that stuff that's [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► overkill for most people really this is [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► my go-to app highly recommended please [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► go check them out use that right tone [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► I do have sound studio I think I got in [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► one of those bundles way back when yeah [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► probably don't have the latest version [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► well the easy it was that was my sound [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► edit 16 replacement that's right it's a [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► small app shop they've continued to [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► update it it's very much [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► it's a 64-bit app now it's come a long [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► way a lot of new stuff in version 4 that [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► I'm happy with for years I was I was [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► looking for a replacement for sound data [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► 16 which was my old go to you just want [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► that at some audio app and I couldn't [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► find one sound studio was the one I came [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► up with years ago I haven't updated it [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► since probably because it just still [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► works but I'll take a look at the newer [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► version so where was that now for [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► everything that I just described to work [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► for that to happen for that whole [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► magical moment of just like not having [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► to think about it and getting used to [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► where things are and everything for that [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► to work things have to be recognizable [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► and and recognizable without reading no [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► reading reading is like the you know the [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► Krugman is that his book don't make me [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► think I'm thinking of the Economist was [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► like Steve Krug is don't make me think [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► there you go right [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► when I hear that I think don't make me [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► read so things have to be recognizable [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► that doesn't mean making you read them [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► so that's a type dir or LS and get a [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► Content and read stuff or even has a [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► type CWD and read that thing no reading [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► don't make me read ah [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► the best way we recognize things with [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► our senses because again we don't we [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► didn't involve evolved inside a computer [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► we evolved in the world that's how we [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► recognize everything with our senses all [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► right so I you know the best way to [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► recognize things given computer [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► technology is visually it's it could be [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► argued that sound might be adding sound [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► to the mix would help but right now we [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► don't do that I would say like smells [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► another one okay we recognize things in [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► the real world with sound what's with [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► all our senses with taste I guess but [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► we're not quite ready to go for [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► smellivision [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► or tasting our computer screens sound [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► maybe but no one has figured out a way [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► to do that's not annoying because sound [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► can be kind of annoying so we were on [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► the screen recognize things visually and [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► that's what the original finder used and [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► the way that worked is that when you [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► opened a folder there would be a single [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► window that was tied to that folder and [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► that window would have a certain size [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► shaping position that you could adjust [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► because it's like a little thing right [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► and because you chose how big to make it [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► and where to put it and the arrangement [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► of things inside it you would come to [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► recognize that arrange that visual thing [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► with like you'd recognize it visually [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► the same way you recognize you know a [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► room in your house or a street or [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► anything else you recognize visually oh [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► that's that window because I recognize [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► it by looking at all right and any [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► changes to that state rearranging the [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► contents scrolling a little bit you know [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► changing the size moving it that had to [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► be maintained by the computer because if [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► it wasn't then when you saw something on [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► the screen that visual information would [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► not be a reliable means of [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► identification and doesn't take much of [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► a deviation to make you start discarding [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► that information but if you if you did [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► some such weak look let me move that [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► over there and then the next time you [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► opened it it wasn't over there you start [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► to you know consciously or not you start [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► to say well I can't rely on these things [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► that my eyes are seeing to help me [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► identify things I have to I have to [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► start reading basically like oh that [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► looks like that window use last time [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► well no but you know oh that looks like [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► a the same arrangement of the icons well [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► is it well I have it to read you know [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► because if any of these changes that you [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► made if you try to arrange your [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► workspace if you tried to like say [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► you're a painter you put the you know [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► the [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► by out the the big cup of water over [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► there and your palette over here and you [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► put the red in the corner and the black [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► over there and the white over there and [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► you put the little towel over this bar [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► so you can get to it and you have your [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► seat here and your sandwiches behind you [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► up you make that nice arrangement then [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► you spend the time doing that and then [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► something moves and you go for the water [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► thing and it's not where you left it you [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► can be like okay I guess we can't get to [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► that water thing by just looking for it [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► I have to you know look it up by name or [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► Salvi's as the analogy falls down [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► because in pewter world is different but [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► the point is as soon as you stop [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► behaving like the real world does in [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► terms of state retention the user will [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► just start discarding that as valuable [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► information and they have to use [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► something else and look that something [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► else is is usually reading that where am [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► i I have to read something now and that [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► is way way less efficient you know [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► you'll never get to that sort of I know [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► world lights which is our thing if you [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► have to start reading stuff now the [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► finder that I described in the beginning [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► is the way the fine to work for 16 years [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► 1984 through 2001 or so yeah the old [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► school fund your favorite finder yeah [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► and and that's what I call the spatial [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► finder spatial as you know as in you [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► know objects in space type of thing I [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► don't think I cone that term I probably [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► read it somewhere way back when and [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► you've just been repeating it since but [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► when I say spatial finder that's what I [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► mean and when other people say it I'm [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► not sure what it is they mean I hope [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► they mean the same thing as I do but [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► they're talking about you're talking [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► about the same thing if you've seen [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► Jurassic Park that's not the spatial fun [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► that is spatial okay what is that that [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► is the thing on SGI it's actually a real [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► program that is actually fly through the [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► file system no you know what those were [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► just like tiles that would fly a tree [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► yeah yeah that's not the spatial okay [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► what is it then all right so so it's [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► what I just described it's it's that [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► finder that works that way that is the [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► windows or tied to a single folder that [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► any sort of state change you make to the [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► arrangement of icons or the size and [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► position of the windows is retained [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► that's it [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► that's it simple the thing about the [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► spatial finder is it's not it's not like [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► fetishizing the past or some weird set [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► of rules that you have to comply to like [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► religion like only it's just an [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► arbitrary set of rules and it's it's our [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► Bible and we don't question why it's [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► there and you have to comply to it [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► because we're selling you it's good now [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► the spatial finder is a means to an end [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► the whole point of the spatial finder [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► whether they intended it or not [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► the reason it worked is because the way [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► that it behaved allowed the visual [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► spatial information to be significant [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► and it engaged that incredibly powerful [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► part of your brain that would recognize [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► that stuff and if it work differently if [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► you broke one of these rules of the [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► spatial finder then that you'd stop [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► leveraging that part of the brain so if [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► it didn't retain visual state if you [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► could have multiple windows open that [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► all represented the same folder when you [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► made a state change to it you'd be like [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► well so am I am i changing the size of [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► this folder but because I see it over [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► there and it's a different thing so next [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► time I open it where is it good you know [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► you don't think about this consciously [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► but basically what it boils down to is [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► that you don't spend the time to arrange [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► stuff because you don't have any [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► confidence you don't even know what it [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► is you're arranging you know how many [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► confidence it's gonna be the same way [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► the next time you use it [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► so in Mac in Mac OS 10 they introduced a [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► new model to the finder which is not it [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► was not new in 2001 mag was thinking [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► about but it was new to the Mac and that [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► that's browsing and we're all familiar [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► with browsing from web browser it's [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► basically the window is kind of like a [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► device through which you can view many [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► things like my magic magic device a [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► magic portal and the browser window is [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► wherever it is but the contents of that [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► window can be anything right and as you [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► change the contents of the window the [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► window itself doesn't change so you [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► don't you know a particular website [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► isn't in a particular position on your [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► screen the browser is like a little [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► device and you could view that same [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► website in seven browser devices all the [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► same time and that's the direction they [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► wanted to go with the finder in Mac OS [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► there's also another model on top of [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► that which is of course search which is [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► already existed but it's come become [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► more important where you type stuff in [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► and it just gives you a list of matches [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► independent of where they are in the [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► file hierarchy right now all these [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► models I describe they're useful in [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► various contexts my Mangum late with Mac [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► OS 10 was that they ditched the first [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► one I ditched that spatial model they [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► introduced browsing which is good and [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► has many purposes they made search a lot [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► better with spotlight but they decided [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► that that first one wasn't important and [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► they decided that basically through [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► neglect because they say well can't you [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► use the Mac OS and finder like that [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► can't you just make all your windows not [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► have side bars and toolbars you can't [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► this you can try to arrange things as [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► much as you want but the finder will [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► thwart you because it will spawn windows [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► that are browsers [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► or you'll browse to a location in a [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► browser window and change the size of [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► the window and not realize you're [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► changing the size of the window window [TS]