19: Don't Make Me Read


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00:00:01   this is hypercritical weekly talkshow [TS]

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00:00:15   by my co-host John siracusa i'm dan [TS]

00:00:19   benjamin and this is episode 19 like to [TS]

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00:00:29   you about is a program commences how are [TS]

00:00:31   you John I'm pretty good it's a good day [TS]

00:00:33   for you today it's Friday before a [TS]

00:00:34   holiday weekend yeah it's gonna be nice [TS]

00:00:39   we got a hard stop at an hour though [TS]

00:00:41   hard stop I mean like hard is slam the [TS]

00:00:44   slam the laptop shut walk out the door [TS]

00:00:46   kind of hard stop we'll see what we can [TS]

00:00:48   do I hate doing that to you because I [TS]

00:00:50   know you like to go along Sarah I think [TS]

00:00:53   by the time an hour is up this room will [TS]

00:00:55   be put darn hot you know you're out the [TS]

00:00:58   summer podcasting situation oh I don't [TS]

00:01:00   think I can have the a/c on because it [TS]

00:01:02   will be too noisy that's what I'm just [TS]

00:01:03   doing turning it off oh why don't you [TS]

00:01:06   throw it off flip the switch you'll see [TS]

00:01:07   I don't want you to suffer she shouldn't [TS]

00:01:09   have to suffer for your art in 2011 I'll [TS]

00:01:12   go as long as I can we'll say well just [TS]

00:01:13   turn it on let's see here at the noise [TS]

00:01:15   and alright Anna that might not be bad [TS]

00:01:17   once we get you a good mic it won't be [TS]

00:01:19   bad I'm not editing any of this out it's [TS]

00:01:22   all stays what do you think I don't hear [TS]

00:01:31   a thing no reason for you to suffer it [TS]

00:01:33   sounds great [TS]

00:01:33   alright I'll leave it on and leave it on [TS]

00:01:35   I don't want you to said be tough I mean [TS]

00:01:37   you you're angry enough as it is [TS]

00:01:39   haven't you sweating in a sweat box in [TS]

00:01:42   there and then your old family is a dad [TS]

00:01:44   take a shower [TS]

00:01:46   terrible alright let's get started on [TS]

00:01:49   the clock we're on the clock [TS]

00:01:51   yep let's go we're starting to up time [TS]

00:01:54   yeah so what I did last week is I timed [TS]

00:02:00   how long it took my toaster to toast a [TS]

00:02:02   piece of bread ah starting from a cold [TS]

00:02:04   start what did you do last week I moved [TS]

00:02:06   1,300 miles across the country but did [TS]

00:02:09   your time your toaster no I didn't I did [TS]

00:02:11   not it was in a box and a moving truck [TS]

00:02:12   somewhere [TS]

00:02:13   unbelievable I know how long did it take [TS]

00:02:15   I was close with my estimate it took [TS]

00:02:18   five minutes and eight second what for [TS]

00:02:21   single piece of bread come on five [TS]

00:02:23   minutes and 18 seconds I find it that's [TS]

00:02:26   not I know that's that's and you're [TS]

00:02:28   asking me last week like how long would [TS]

00:02:29   you take I just had to long well that's [TS]

00:02:31   that is to or that really long too long [TS]

00:02:33   it's just too darn long like next day it [TS]

00:02:35   doesn't seem like a long time the next [TS]

00:02:36   time you wake up in the morning look at [TS]

00:02:37   your clock and wait until the hand moves [TS]

00:02:39   five minutes and think that's how long [TS]

00:02:40   to get in Stokes that's how long John [TS]

00:02:42   siracusa waits for his toast no good [TS]

00:02:44   that is really a long time now before [TS]

00:02:47   you get it too much into your tirade [TS]

00:02:49   here III just want to say straight up at [TS]

00:02:53   the front of this at the top of the show [TS]

00:02:54   the the biggest response that I saw [TS]

00:02:57   coming in about toasters was if what he [TS]

00:03:00   wants is toast why doesn't he just use a [TS]

00:03:03   slot toaster oven they make really good [TS]

00:03:05   toast and both sides get toasted and [TS]

00:03:07   only takes like 45 seconds see when we [TS]

00:03:10   just jump right to that point sure uh I [TS]

00:03:13   I thought that kind of went without [TS]

00:03:15   saying maybe it's just I thought it was [TS]

00:03:18   implied in my discussion of toaster [TS]

00:03:20   ovens that I want to toaster oven [TS]

00:03:22   because I use the oven part of it I [TS]

00:03:24   didn't talk about the oven part of it [TS]

00:03:25   because that wasn't just kept talking [TS]

00:03:26   that toast right but at the toast was [TS]

00:03:30   the part doesn't work in the toaster up [TS]

00:03:32   in the oven part of the toaster oven [TS]

00:03:33   you know it works like an oven I don't [TS]

00:03:35   have particular complaints about that [TS]

00:03:37   part and the next question is well why [TS]

00:03:38   not just get both of them on I have a [TS]

00:03:40   slot toaster for toast and a toaster [TS]

00:03:41   oven for whatever you use that for I [TS]

00:03:43   just don't have the counter space for [TS]

00:03:44   two appliances you know so it's like we [TS]

00:03:47   have room for the toaster oven but no [TS]

00:03:49   place really to put the slot toaster [TS]

00:03:51   where we could get one so if I'm forced [TS]

00:03:54   to choose between the two appliances I [TS]

00:03:55   pick the one that can do two different [TS]

00:03:56   things and I mentioned in the last show [TS]

00:03:59   that you shouldn't be making pizza in [TS]

00:04:01   your toaster I meant like cooking pizza [TS]

00:04:03   one thing that you should be using your [TS]

00:04:04   toaster for or your oven is for things [TS]

00:04:06   like reheating a slice of pizza you [TS]

00:04:08   should not reheat the leftover pizza in [TS]

00:04:10   the microwave it just becomes a soggy [TS]

00:04:11   disgustingness if you have a lot of [TS]

00:04:13   pizza to reheat yeah use your oven but [TS]

00:04:15   if it's if you just have one slice of [TS]

00:04:16   pizza and you want to heat it up for [TS]

00:04:18   lunch or something let's put the toaster [TS]

00:04:19   oven is for um and it works right even [TS]

00:04:21   my crappy toaster heats up the pizza [TS]

00:04:23   just fine so that that's the slot [TS]

00:04:26   toaster [TS]

00:04:27   toaster oven thing actually it I'll [TS]

00:04:29   circle back to it after I talk about [TS]

00:04:30   this next bit here so this is the best [TS]

00:04:33   part about having a podcast or popular [TS]

00:04:35   podcast we got in an email from someone [TS]

00:04:38   who used to design toasters at Sunbeam [TS]

00:04:41   in the 1980s and he described all the [TS]

00:04:45   different aspects of toasters and why [TS]

00:04:48   I'm unhappy with my toaster a nice long [TS]

00:04:50   email this is exactly the kind of thing [TS]

00:04:52   you're looking for like an expert guy [TS]

00:04:53   who's been there and wrenches oh yeah to [TS]

00:04:55   tell us about [TS]

00:04:56   toaster technology so I'm not gonna go [TS]

00:04:59   into every detail that he got we got two [TS]

00:05:00   but the main thing he pinpointed about [TS]

00:05:03   my toaster and the reason it takes so [TS]

00:05:05   long is because it uses a steel tube [TS]

00:05:07   with internal coiled resistant wire [TS]

00:05:09   surrounding an electrical insulating [TS]

00:05:11   chip to produce heat I think I just [TS]

00:05:13   mangled that but anyway it's the thing [TS]

00:05:15   that heats up the thing that turns [TS]

00:05:16   orange is of a particular type that [TS]

00:05:18   takes a long time to heat up and his his [TS]

00:05:20   estimate was that it's going to take [TS]

00:05:21   like at least two minutes before that [TS]

00:05:23   thing starts glowing orange and the [TS]

00:05:25   glowing orange part is important because [TS]

00:05:27   toasters heat up things in different [TS]

00:05:29   ways the way he listed was a conduction [TS]

00:05:31   convection and radiation and radiation [TS]

00:05:34   heat is the one you want to like brown [TS]

00:05:36   your toast and that only happens once [TS]

00:05:38   you once the thing turns orange is a my [TS]

00:05:41   impression for reading this email so [TS]

00:05:44   since it takes my toaster two minutes [TS]

00:05:46   even to get that thing glowing orange [TS]

00:05:47   right away that that first two minutes [TS]

00:05:49   is not making you toast what it is doing [TS]

00:05:51   is it basically baking your bread or [TS]

00:05:54   turning it into a crouton or doing [TS]

00:05:56   something that's not real like it's [TS]

00:05:58   making it hot and strong it out but it's [TS]

00:06:00   not toasting it and the the the [TS]

00:06:02   benchmark for good toast is apparently [TS]

00:06:04   you want the outside to be toasted and [TS]

00:06:05   like lightly carbonized right or browned [TS]

00:06:07   or whatever but the inside should not be [TS]

00:06:09   all dried out it should still be like [TS]

00:06:11   moist you shouldn't have taken every [TS]

00:06:12   ounce of water and evaporated it out of [TS]

00:06:14   the middle of the toast so the longer [TS]

00:06:15   that piece of bread sits in there the [TS]

00:06:17   more it becomes a crouton the less it [TS]

00:06:18   becomes toast which is why slot toasters [TS]

00:06:20   make better toast because they very [TS]

00:06:22   quickly heat the outsides of the bread [TS]

00:06:23   and yes they do it evenly and so on and [TS]

00:06:25   so forth and because they do it so [TS]

00:06:26   quickly the inside is still moist when [TS]

00:06:28   they pop up you've got a toasted outside [TS]

00:06:29   the end of oyster inside now obviously [TS]

00:06:31   I'm not a toast kind of store all I just [TS]

00:06:33   want is the top and bottom to be cooked [TS]

00:06:34   relatively evenly and I can see how what [TS]

00:06:36   what he's saying is true that if I had a [TS]

00:06:38   slot toaster the inside of my [TS]

00:06:41   would be more moist than it is in this [TS]

00:06:42   toaster because for the first two [TS]

00:06:43   minutes is just you know taking moisture [TS]

00:06:45   out of the bread that that doesn't [TS]

00:06:48   magically give me more counter space but [TS]

00:06:49   it does make me consider like is there [TS]

00:06:51   something else I can move on the [TS]

00:06:53   counters to make room for a slot toaster [TS]

00:06:55   because maybe this is worth doing if I [TS]

00:06:57   can find a good slot toaster just to [TS]

00:07:01   just to see what the what it's like to [TS]

00:07:02   have better toast but I think I would [TS]

00:07:04   also be happy with a working toaster [TS]

00:07:07   oven so this guy I should give his name [TS]

00:07:10   there Lowell Burnham some other thing he [TS]

00:07:12   mentioned was uh different kinds of [TS]

00:07:14   heating elements and toasters another [TS]

00:07:16   one is a a radiant coil inside a clear [TS]

00:07:19   quartz tube which apparently glows [TS]

00:07:22   orange in about 15 seconds it gets much [TS]

00:07:23   hotter than the steel thing does the [TS]

00:07:28   only problem with that is that it could [TS]

00:07:29   have a tendency to scorch because it [TS]

00:07:32   does get so hot so it's like it's like a [TS]

00:07:34   balancing between the steel elements [TS]

00:07:36   that I have that probably do a better [TS]

00:07:38   job of baking without scorching versus [TS]

00:07:40   these which do a better job of toasting [TS]

00:07:41   and it is apparently a fairly big [TS]

00:07:45   balancing act to get a toaster oven that [TS]

00:07:46   does toast well does oven well it's a [TS]

00:07:48   constant trade-off which is why he was [TS]

00:07:50   basically saying you're never going to [TS]

00:07:51   get a toaster oven that makes his good [TS]

00:07:53   toast is slot toaster because it's [TS]

00:07:55   trying to do too many different things [TS]

00:07:56   and everything that works towards making [TS]

00:07:58   better toast works against the oven [TS]

00:08:00   function I I still was like something [TS]

00:08:02   that has a reasonable balance and I felt [TS]

00:08:03   like I had a reasonable balance back in [TS]

00:08:05   the day he mentioned at the old Black & [TS]

00:08:07   Decker I was talking about was actually [TS]

00:08:09   AG small appliances oven that changed [TS]

00:08:12   owners when G was sold to black & decker [TS]

00:08:15   so it should it shows that there is some [TS]

00:08:18   memory of like that one model that we [TS]

00:08:20   were all talking about it rang up I'm [TS]

00:08:21   also saying Westinghouse I don't know if [TS]

00:08:23   that was a related brand but back in the [TS]

00:08:24   day when there were fewer models [TS]

00:08:26   apparently whatever balance that one [TS]

00:08:28   struck over many years of refinement and [TS]

00:08:30   development I liked that balance and if [TS]

00:08:32   I could find one that had that balance I [TS]

00:08:34   would take it and it was nice to see [TS]

00:08:36   that in the show notes for last week's [TS]

00:08:37   show after it was over you added your [TS]

00:08:39   toaster and and Marko's toaster and then [TS]

00:08:42   I added my toaster so if you go back to [TS]

00:08:44   last week's show notes you can find [TS]

00:08:45   amazon links to all three of our [TS]

00:08:47   toasters and compare them if you look at [TS]

00:08:49   the amazon reviews or my toaster there's [TS]

00:08:51   some horrible ones in there nobody likes [TS]

00:08:53   it surprise surprise [TS]

00:08:54   one person sided exploded firing shards [TS]

00:08:57   of glass everywhere mine has done that [TS]

00:08:59   yet but it's definitely not a good [TS]

00:09:00   toaster yeah your toaster was like 180 [TS]

00:09:03   bucks as predicted right and Marcos was [TS]

00:09:06   in that price range too but I got to [TS]

00:09:07   tell you after looking at your toaster [TS]

00:09:08   and hearing your your reviews of it and [TS]

00:09:10   looking at the reviews online or reading [TS]

00:09:12   the manual and looking at the [TS]

00:09:13   measurements and everything I'm tempted [TS]

00:09:15   to give your toaster a try so it's I put [TS]

00:09:18   it on the Amazon wish list well I'll [TS]

00:09:19   tell I'll tell you what you my wife [TS]

00:09:22   researched this toaster and she is she [TS]

00:09:24   is the best at researching things and at [TS]

00:09:27   finding you know I don't want to say [TS]

00:09:30   finding deals because it's not about [TS]

00:09:31   that it's finding the right quality to [TS]

00:09:35   cost ratio and she did a lot she did [TS]

00:09:38   liked a lot of research on this toaster [TS]

00:09:40   and because I had to look a certain way [TS]

00:09:42   and be a certain thing with the other [TS]

00:09:44   thing and she this is really the [TS]

00:09:47   culmination of a lot of her you know her [TS]

00:09:50   research combined with my somewhat [TS]

00:09:52   specific requirements of the that you [TS]

00:09:54   know when I do want to cook something in [TS]

00:09:57   or do something it has to be a certain [TS]

00:09:58   thing as to easy-to-clean really like [TS]

00:10:01   this toaster I don't think Marcos [TS]

00:10:02   toaster is worth your time I get I would [TS]

00:10:05   didn't but is on my wish list that [TS]

00:10:06   interface look bad and I that is his [TS]

00:10:08   buttons were underneath the lit the the [TS]

00:10:11   front lid thing that flaps down like [TS]

00:10:13   when you open it you're covering the [TS]

00:10:14   controls that seems silly to my strange [TS]

00:10:16   this is also I think a little bit bigger [TS]

00:10:18   your measurements are actually very [TS]

00:10:19   similar to the measurements of my [TS]

00:10:20   toaster so it would fit in the spot I [TS]

00:10:22   have on it for the counter so anyway [TS]

00:10:25   it's on the list maybe I'll ask for it [TS]

00:10:26   as a Christmas present I maybe I will [TS]

00:10:28   buy it for you guys because don't that [TS]

00:10:30   be an exciting Christmas toaster maybe [TS]

00:10:32   we should take a little donation from [TS]

00:10:34   the audience that one that want you to [TS]

00:10:36   have this and we you know take a little [TS]

00:10:38   funds or something you don't have to [TS]

00:10:40   pass the Hat I can I can afford a [TS]

00:10:42   toaster it's just a question of pulling [TS]

00:10:45   the trigger deciding that I want this in [TS]

00:10:46   my life and that I can't handle the [TS]

00:10:47   toaster that I have now or should I just [TS]

00:10:49   continue to use the toaster that I have [TS]

00:10:50   now until it actually does melt into a [TS]

00:10:52   pile of cheap plastic and bright metal [TS]

00:10:54   well because I have no idea where we're [TS]

00:10:56   going to be living and and when we'll [TS]

00:10:59   actually get our stuff into that place I [TS]

00:11:02   if you can wait for however many weeks [TS]

00:11:05   it takes to for all of that to be sorted [TS]

00:11:07   out [TS]

00:11:08   if you can wait then when the toaster [TS]

00:11:10   finally arrives here in Austin I will I [TS]

00:11:13   we I will time it I will make a video [TS]

00:11:16   for you I'll do whatever you like just [TS]

00:11:18   just to stop watch the cold start in the [TS]

00:11:21   morning put the bread in close the door [TS]

00:11:23   press those button start the clock take [TS]

00:11:25   it out when you think it's done to your [TS]

00:11:27   satisfaction I didn't go super dark [TS]

00:11:28   toast it was you know just brown it's [TS]

00:11:30   one but also by the way I took mine out [TS]

00:11:32   when the bottom was brown the top was [TS]

00:11:34   not even toasted yet because my toaster [TS]

00:11:35   is so horrible does one side so if I had [TS]

00:11:37   waited for both you can't wait for both [TS]

00:11:38   sides to be done because by the time the [TS]

00:11:39   top is done the bottom is burnt so I was [TS]

00:11:41   going entirely bought based on the [TS]

00:11:43   bottom so it would take even longer if [TS]

00:11:45   I'd waited for the top to get some color [TS]

00:11:46   on I have a bad toaster is the moral not [TS]

00:11:50   terrible all right a couple more quick [TS]

00:11:54   follow-ups so I was talking about [TS]

00:11:56   Twitter and in-band signaling the other [TS]

00:11:58   day I'm surprised I didn't see more of [TS]

00:12:01   this in the chat room one or two people [TS]

00:12:02   in the chat room picked it up but [TS]

00:12:04   apparently I'm completely out of the [TS]

00:12:05   loop on Twitter because in May of last [TS]

00:12:08   year at some presentation in London [TS]

00:12:13   Twitter announced a new thing called [TS]

00:12:15   Twitter annotations which is just what [TS]

00:12:17   it sounds like it allows you when [TS]

00:12:19   sending a tweet to just tack on a bunch [TS]

00:12:20   of annotations that's metadata it's [TS]

00:12:22   exactly what I was talking about it's [TS]

00:12:24   basically arbitrary metadata for your [TS]

00:12:26   tweet so you could put in whatever you [TS]

00:12:28   want there and then clients just have to [TS]

00:12:30   read that metadata and apply it and [TS]

00:12:32   apparently this is what Twitter itself [TS]

00:12:34   uses or something similar to do it's [TS]

00:12:36   like link short and stuff so that the [TS]

00:12:38   text it's not really what I want it [TS]

00:12:40   because the text in tweet still has the [TS]

00:12:42   link shortener length the TCO thing but [TS]

00:12:44   then the annotation is tell you what the [TS]

00:12:45   real URL is so you don't have to go look [TS]

00:12:47   it up through the shortener or anything [TS]

00:12:48   like that but you could in theory use [TS]

00:12:50   these annotations for everything for you [TS]

00:12:51   know who you're applying to us you [TS]

00:12:53   wouldn't have to have the @ name at the [TS]

00:12:55   beginning of the tweet links you know [TS]

00:12:58   you could just have like byte-range [TS]

00:12:59   offsets and or you can even do like a [TS]

00:13:01   markup type thing where you just tag the [TS]

00:13:03   the the pieces of information and then [TS]

00:13:05   link them back to a URL like basically [TS]

00:13:08   there is a facility for doing this the [TS]

00:13:10   fact that it hasn't been picked up was [TS]

00:13:11   probably just momentum because you need [TS]

00:13:13   you need the clients to support it and [TS]

00:13:15   it's kind of a chicken and egg thing and [TS]

00:13:16   who's going to be the first client to [TS]

00:13:17   support this type of thing or who's [TS]

00:13:18   going to be the first client to generate [TS]

00:13:20   these types of tweets like sort of rich [TS]

00:13:22   Exce tweets with annotations on them [TS]

00:13:23   when they're not sure that anybody else [TS]

00:13:25   will be able to see it or that it'll [TS]

00:13:26   look all weird and screwed up when other [TS]

00:13:28   people see it so the transition is [TS]

00:13:30   always a difficult part transitioning [TS]

00:13:31   from clients that work the way they do [TS]

00:13:33   now to ones that use this annotations [TS]

00:13:35   instead of everything being in line so [TS]

00:13:36   it may be too little too late but you [TS]

00:13:38   can't really fault twitter for not [TS]

00:13:39   having an api the only weird thing about [TS]

00:13:42   it is that the the total size of [TS]

00:13:43   annotations can't be any more than 512 [TS]

00:13:46   bytes they're really big on their data [TS]

00:13:47   limits so you don't get you could [TS]

00:13:49   probably blow through that with you know [TS]

00:13:51   a bunch of long URLs in a tweet and [TS]

00:13:54   already you're out of them this is a [TS]

00:13:55   total size of like the entire annotation [TS]

00:13:57   not just the values this is I think like [TS]

00:13:58   you can you pack it up to JSON or [TS]

00:14:00   whatever that whole thing has to be like [TS]

00:14:01   512 bytes and they say they're hoping to [TS]

00:14:03   increase that up to 2k but it's not like [TS]

00:14:06   for attaching images for example or [TS]

00:14:07   anything like that but I do have an API [TS]

00:14:09   for it and the fact that I'd never heard [TS]

00:14:12   of it shows just how few clients are [TS]

00:14:13   apparently using this it's kind of a [TS]

00:14:16   shame that it's out there and it doesn't [TS]

00:14:19   seem to be a clear transition path maybe [TS]

00:14:21   when Twitter has completely wiped out [TS]

00:14:23   all the third-party clients they will be [TS]

00:14:25   more free to more quickly innovate with [TS]

00:14:27   the clients they own and control adding [TS]

00:14:30   support for these annotations alright [TS]

00:14:35   what else will be having what else have [TS]

00:14:36   you got in there [TS]

00:14:37   we're definitely yeah intel SSD [TS]

00:14:40   warranties are now up to five years a [TS]

00:14:42   bunch of people sent me that when we're [TS]

00:14:43   talking about SSD reliability did you [TS]

00:14:45   see that story go by this week no I [TS]

00:14:47   totally missed that one I haven't been [TS]

00:14:48   following used as much because [TS]

00:14:50   everything going on what did it say so [TS]

00:14:52   it's like Intel's new line of SSDs like [TS]

00:14:55   the you know they're they're brand new [TS]

00:14:56   best performing SSDs now have a [TS]

00:14:58   five-year warranty on and you know the [TS]

00:15:01   press releases say you know Intel is so [TS]

00:15:03   confident and so happy with the [TS]

00:15:04   reliability of its of its devices that [TS]

00:15:06   it's increasing the warranty on these [TS]

00:15:07   things to five years and they're they're [TS]

00:15:08   working great and blah blah blah and a [TS]

00:15:10   lot of people sent this in to me you [TS]

00:15:12   know saying see your worries are [TS]

00:15:13   unfounded because these things have five [TS]

00:15:15   year warranties and hard drives most [TS]

00:15:16   hard drives only have three so SSDs you [TS]

00:15:19   know they must have a lot of confidence [TS]

00:15:21   that these things are going to last a [TS]

00:15:24   long time when I see a company increase [TS]

00:15:26   its warranties like that and do a press [TS]

00:15:28   release about it it makes me more wary [TS]

00:15:30   maybe them too cynical more worried [TS]

00:15:31   about reliability not less because very [TS]

00:15:34   rarely does it man [TS]

00:15:35   factor increase its warranty with [TS]

00:15:37   fanfare unless it's a reaction against [TS]

00:15:41   any you know bad PR that they have [TS]

00:15:44   reliability problems you know like they [TS]

00:15:46   want to show that we are not like those [TS]

00:15:47   other SS all right reliability problems [TS]

00:15:50   ours are really safe trust us but I mean [TS]

00:15:53   you could say like well who cares what [TS]

00:15:54   the reasoning is five years is still [TS]

00:15:55   five years and whether they're doing or [TS]

00:15:57   for cynical reasons or not or just to [TS]

00:15:58   try to get you to buy their stuff or try [TS]

00:16:00   to counter the prevailing story about [TS]

00:16:02   reliability who cares you still get a [TS]

00:16:04   free one for five years so I am pretty [TS]

00:16:06   much happy that their increase in the [TS]

00:16:07   warranty to five years but I am still [TS]

00:16:09   suspicious of the reliability and the [TS]

00:16:11   other thing about this warranty is that [TS]

00:16:13   it's not like five years period full [TS]

00:16:15   stop it's five years but there's like [TS]

00:16:17   fine print text that says but we have [TS]

00:16:20   our own little internal calibration on [TS]

00:16:22   each drive that says you get X number of [TS]

00:16:25   gigabytes of i/o per unit of time and if [TS]

00:16:28   you blow through a we consider to be the [TS]

00:16:29   the lifetimes work of this SSD and if [TS]

00:16:32   you blow through that in a year and a [TS]

00:16:33   half or two years because you're [TS]

00:16:34   constantly reading writing huge blocks [TS]

00:16:36   well then tough you don't get your [TS]

00:16:37   warranty and they have a different a [TS]

00:16:40   different price range for like [TS]

00:16:41   enterprise usage versus regular usage [TS]

00:16:43   and while I was clicking around those [TS]

00:16:46   stories and so someone else's link I [TS]

00:16:47   wish I could find it but I couldn't find [TS]

00:16:49   ever the show notes but they were [TS]

00:16:50   showing what their drive was reporting [TS]

00:16:52   as the useful life left in it after [TS]

00:16:55   using it for a year because you could [TS]

00:16:56   just you can query the drive and say [TS]

00:16:58   what how much life time you have left [TS]

00:16:59   like sort of like the oil lifetime on [TS]

00:17:01   your car or whatever and he was way [TS]

00:17:03   farther through the lifetime his Drive [TS]

00:17:05   than he thought he would be after only a [TS]

00:17:06   year and a half or so I don't know what [TS]

00:17:08   Intel's numbers are for the usage but [TS]

00:17:10   the fact that there's a tiered thing for [TS]

00:17:11   enterprise versus regular user and stuff [TS]

00:17:13   and the fact that the five-year thing is [TS]

00:17:15   null and void if you go through what it [TS]

00:17:17   considers to be a reasonable amount of [TS]

00:17:19   i/o it just gets back to that you know [TS]

00:17:21   the nature of solid-state storage is [TS]

00:17:23   that there's a limited number of rights [TS]

00:17:24   that you get and once you go through [TS]

00:17:26   them it's a physical limit on the [TS]

00:17:28   storage that's that's it you know [TS]

00:17:30   there's no getting around that so that [TS]

00:17:31   you know they give you over capacity [TS]

00:17:32   sometimes that Enterprise drives to give [TS]

00:17:33   you like four or five times the space [TS]

00:17:34   you actually need to give you the [TS]

00:17:36   Headroom to do all those right so when [TS]

00:17:38   you wear out a certain section of cells [TS]

00:17:39   they move to another one yeah these [TS]

00:17:42   things will be started at in time I [TS]

00:17:44   think the warranty increase is a move in [TS]

00:17:46   the right direction [TS]

00:17:47   I just hope Intel doesn't lose it [TS]

00:17:48   on the warranty increase they probably [TS]

00:17:50   won't because most people will buy these [TS]

00:17:51   things and not using that heavily and so [TS]

00:17:53   it'll be fine but I'm feeling that I use [TS]

00:17:56   my drives pretty heavily giving them [TS]

00:17:58   have disc thrashing I see my system [TS]

00:18:00   doing most of the time especially with [TS]

00:18:02   all the backups constantly raising all [TS]

00:18:04   reading all this data downloading this [TS]

00:18:05   last night that so I continue to wait [TS]

00:18:08   once I can get a one terabyte SSD for a [TS]

00:18:11   reasonable price I will almost certainly [TS]

00:18:12   buy one but that day is not today [TS]

00:18:15   all right I think it's all the follow up [TS]

00:18:18   I have record time huh that was really [TS]

00:18:21   good time I mean 20 22 minutes not less [TS]

00:18:24   than that 18 cents yes it's a fantastic [TS]

00:18:27   you're under sponsor you're gonna stick [TS]

00:18:29   it in later I'll stick it in now this [TS]

00:18:33   episode is sponsored by harvest and time [TS]

00:18:34   tracking and invoicing web-based [TS]

00:18:36   application you can send your clients [TS]

00:18:38   beautiful professional invoices via [TS]

00:18:41   email PDF or on the web you can accept [TS]

00:18:43   online credit card and check payments [TS]

00:18:44   and more you can even this is cool while [TS]

00:18:46   you're traveling I know you travel a lot [TS]

00:18:48   you fly a lot right John for work I mean [TS]

00:18:51   a lot of people do a lot of people [TS]

00:18:53   aren't like us and they don't mind [TS]

00:18:55   getting on planes and then when they're [TS]

00:18:57   out there they want to you know they [TS]

00:18:59   want to expense stuff or they want to [TS]

00:19:00   give they want to give their receipts to [TS]

00:19:03   the system how do they do that well with [TS]

00:19:05   this you could just you can take a [TS]

00:19:07   picture of your receipt and upload it [TS]

00:19:08   straight into the app how cool is that [TS]

00:19:10   well harvest is free for 30-days [TS]

00:19:11   but if you use code five by five TV all [TS]

00:19:15   one word all upper case you'll get 50% [TS]

00:19:17   off your first month after the 30 days [TS]

00:19:20   so check them out at get harvest calm [TS]

00:19:23   love these guys now let's let's make it [TS]

00:19:25   worth their while go check these guys [TS]

00:19:26   out get harvest calm I've heard so many [TS]

00:19:30   horror stories of people who do travel [TS]

00:19:33   for work have the things they have to go [TS]

00:19:35   through to get reimbursed oh yeah are [TS]

00:19:37   the expenses that they incurred that did [TS]

00:19:38   not is perhaps the vision is the least [TS]

00:19:41   evolved part of corporate culture so [TS]

00:19:43   many other parts of you know have gotten [TS]

00:19:45   better over the years but that's like [TS]

00:19:47   that that's where the trolls live in the [TS]

00:19:50   department that tries to give you the [TS]

00:19:51   money for your cab fare or whatever [TS]

00:19:55   alright ready for the show's topic I'm [TS]

00:19:59   so ready I'm ready [TS]

00:20:00   you're not ready [TS]

00:20:02   the topic you didn't want oh no not this [TS]

00:20:04   one yes this was this is the one all [TS]

00:20:07   right you're lucky it'll be it'll be it [TS]

00:20:08   you know it has to be short yeah you [TS]

00:20:10   your CE will suffer not too much [TS]

00:20:12   microwave ovens no oh so I'm gonna talk [TS]

00:20:17   about the finder um this is something I [TS]

00:20:22   talked about a lot a while ago I don't [TS]

00:20:24   feel like I've talked about that much [TS]

00:20:26   since but people are sick of hearing [TS]

00:20:29   about it from me so there is sort of [TS]

00:20:32   this I don't know [TS]

00:20:36   worn-out factor to the topic that's [TS]

00:20:38   probably why you don't want to hear [TS]

00:20:39   about it but you're going to because I [TS]

00:20:41   think it's time so I wrote about this [TS]

00:20:44   originally about eight years ago makes [TS]

00:20:46   me feel old to say that but that's how [TS]

00:20:47   long it was and I think probably to this [TS]

00:20:51   day it is my least understood article [TS]

00:20:55   mostly because I did a bad job of [TS]

00:20:57   communicating it's not the fault of the [TS]

00:21:00   reader that it was least understood it's [TS]

00:21:01   it's my fault now when I go back and [TS]

00:21:04   read it it looks like everything I [TS]

00:21:06   wanted to say is in there so it's not [TS]

00:21:09   like I didn't say what I wanted to say [TS]

00:21:10   but I said a bunch of other stuff too [TS]

00:21:11   and if you're not me you don't know [TS]

00:21:13   which stuff you should be concentrating [TS]

00:21:14   on like those it's just too big and [TS]

00:21:16   flabby really this is linked in the show [TS]

00:21:18   notes it's the first link in the show [TS]

00:21:19   notes the title of the article was about [TS]

00:21:21   the finder from April 2003 I tried to [TS]

00:21:26   when I did a retrospective like last [TS]

00:21:28   year about ten years of Mac os10 reviews [TS]

00:21:30   I tried to summarize the issues that [TS]

00:21:33   were described originally in that 2003 [TS]

00:21:36   article I think that's a bitter you know [TS]

00:21:39   read six paragraphs and figure out what [TS]

00:21:41   back I'm talking about summary but it [TS]

00:21:43   does assume knowledge of reason that [TS]

00:21:45   came before it I think so I'm not sure [TS]

00:21:46   how good it is for a starting point but [TS]

00:21:48   I have that in the show notes as well [TS]

00:21:49   the page that link - you just have to [TS]

00:21:51   scroll down a little bit to get to the [TS]

00:21:52   part where I talk about the finder again [TS]

00:21:53   so this time on the show I'm going to [TS]

00:21:56   give it another another run at this [TS]

00:21:58   topic because maybe talking I'll be [TS]

00:22:00   better than I was writing about it I [TS]

00:22:02   really doubt it but we'll give it a go [TS]

00:22:04   I'm going to try slightly different [TS]

00:22:05   angle this time because every other [TS]

00:22:07   thing that I've tried has not worked [TS]

00:22:09   that well this requires some [TS]

00:22:13   participation from you meaning you [TS]

00:22:16   ask questions and and challenge me on [TS]

00:22:18   things don't make sense to you because I [TS]

00:22:20   really just talked about and thought [TS]

00:22:21   about this so much and maybe glossing [TS]

00:22:23   over things okay thank you for [TS]

00:22:24   permission to do that beyond yours be on [TS]

00:22:26   your toes all right all right so what [TS]

00:22:30   what the heck are we talking about this [TS]

00:22:33   is my new ankle a new angle as as I [TS]

00:22:35   usually do on the show is to start from [TS]

00:22:38   the history and I will it put it in [TS]

00:22:41   historical context I'll get that bus so [TS]

00:22:46   what I'm going to describe here is what [TS]

00:22:50   were the earliest sort of mass-market PC [TS]

00:22:53   interfaces what were they like like you [TS]

00:22:56   know pcs that were used more than by a [TS]

00:22:58   dozen or so people we don't really like [TS]

00:23:01   the first time I don't like Apple to IBM [TS]

00:23:04   PC the first time the personal computer [TS]

00:23:06   started to appear as a phrase and Time [TS]

00:23:08   magazine and stuff like that the dawning [TS]

00:23:09   of the PC age [TS]

00:23:10   so what were those interfaces like and [TS]

00:23:13   how I'm going to categorize them as they [TS]

00:23:15   were like conversations so you turn on [TS]

00:23:18   this this PC thing that you've got and [TS]

00:23:20   it would do some stuff and eventually [TS]

00:23:22   you'd be faced with sort of a blinking [TS]

00:23:25   prompt asking for input so that was the [TS]

00:23:27   conversation starter was the computer [TS]

00:23:29   saying to you and what what will you [TS]

00:23:32   have me do if I do like some instruction [TS]

00:23:36   right and there's really no indication [TS]

00:23:37   what it is you should do with that like [TS]

00:23:41   you have the paper manual that came with [TS]

00:23:43   the computer and you could read about it [TS]

00:23:45   you can learn something but just looking [TS]

00:23:48   at if you just brought the computer out [TS]

00:23:49   of the box you never use a PC before you [TS]

00:23:51   turned it on you got that blinking [TS]

00:23:52   prompt assuming you could even figure [TS]

00:23:54   out that it wanted you to type on a [TS]

00:23:55   keyboard to enter text at that prompt [TS]

00:23:57   which you would probably figure out [TS]

00:23:58   shortly you don't know what to type but [TS]

00:24:01   presuming you read the manual whatever [TS]

00:24:02   you know you would type instruction [TS]

00:24:04   that's your side of the conversation and [TS]

00:24:05   then you hit return to send it to the [TS]

00:24:07   computer and the computer would give you [TS]

00:24:09   an answer that read to tell you the [TS]

00:24:10   result of the question that you asked or [TS]

00:24:12   maybe you would ask follow-up questions [TS]

00:24:13   or would do something in response to [TS]

00:24:14   your command but it was basically a [TS]

00:24:16   conversation you tell what to do it [TS]

00:24:18   gives information back to you tell [TS]

00:24:20   something different it gives information [TS]

00:24:21   back back and forth right and that was [TS]

00:24:24   the dominant paradigm of using a PC as [TS]

00:24:28   far as people were concerned [TS]

00:24:30   basically until the Macintosh I mean and [TS]

00:24:33   again I'm only talking mass-market and I [TS]

00:24:34   want to get email from the people who [TS]

00:24:35   will tell me that you know such-and-such [TS]

00:24:37   computer had a GUI before the Mac and [TS]

00:24:38   everything that Mac was the one that [TS]

00:24:40   popularized this for better or for worse [TS]

00:24:42   and it you know it gets the credit in [TS]

00:24:44   history so when the Macintosh came [TS]

00:24:48   around and it started to be appear [TS]

00:24:49   magazines and everything it was a [TS]

00:24:50   different experience you turned on a Mac [TS]

00:24:52   when you first got out of the box and [TS]

00:24:54   you didn't get a command prompt so there [TS]

00:24:57   was no you know the reason you got a [TS]

00:24:58   command prompt models other computers is [TS]

00:24:59   it was like usually basic or something [TS]

00:25:01   built-in so what you were typing at in [TS]

00:25:02   the beginning was probably a basic [TS]

00:25:04   prompt or you were going to type some [TS]

00:25:05   sort of command to tell it what Drive to [TS]

00:25:07   load you know the program out of or [TS]

00:25:10   whatever to boot from this driver to run [TS]

00:25:11   this program and this driver something [TS]

00:25:12   like that when you turn it on a Mac you [TS]

00:25:14   didn't get a prompt of any kind and if [TS]

00:25:16   you did if your just took it out of the [TS]

00:25:17   box plugged in turns it on what you [TS]

00:25:18   would get is a picture on the screen of [TS]

00:25:21   what was supposed to be a floppy disk [TS]

00:25:23   which may or may not have been [TS]

00:25:24   recognizable to people because these [TS]

00:25:25   disks look a little bit different than [TS]

00:25:26   the older floppy disks with a blinking [TS]

00:25:28   question mark on it and I was trying to [TS]

00:25:30   tell you like that's it's it's visual [TS]

00:25:32   way of saying disk do you have a disk [TS]

00:25:34   for me and there's nothing you could do [TS]

00:25:36   with that screen you couldn't type stuff [TS]

00:25:38   there was no command prompt you couldn't [TS]

00:25:40   you know click on anything even if you [TS]

00:25:42   know how to use the mouse it was saying [TS]

00:25:43   that it needed a disk with pictures but [TS]

00:25:46   not with words which is interesting [TS]

00:25:48   because it saves on localization you [TS]

00:25:50   know obviously this has to be in the ROM [TS]

00:25:51   you don't have to localize the ROM so [TS]

00:25:53   use a picture of the floppy disk with a [TS]

00:25:54   question mark [TS]

00:25:55   assuming you figured out that that it [TS]

00:25:58   wanted a disk you take the disk the [TS]

00:26:00   computer came with and you shove it in [TS]

00:26:02   there and it would start going through [TS]

00:26:03   all this stuff would bring up a little [TS]

00:26:04   box it says welcome to Macintosh and [TS]

00:26:06   eventually would boot into what we now [TS]

00:26:09   know is the finder but what if you were [TS]

00:26:11   just looking at this what you would say [TS]

00:26:11   is a bunch of pictures on the screen [TS]

00:26:13   with little rectangles that look kind of [TS]

00:26:16   like little pieces of paper with the [TS]

00:26:17   Kalama faulted and little diamond shapes [TS]

00:26:19   and then windows with scroll bars and [TS]

00:26:21   all this sorts of stuff and it wasn't [TS]

00:26:24   asking you for anything there wasn't a [TS]

00:26:26   prompt to we're expecting you to type [TS]

00:26:27   some commands it was more like you were [TS]

00:26:30   looking at this thing now that the thing [TS]

00:26:32   was the desktop the desktop metaphor [TS]

00:26:34   when when people are writing about the [TS]

00:26:36   Macintosh early on that's what they were [TS]

00:26:37   they love to talk about like yeah [TS]

00:26:39   there's a little trash can in the corner [TS]

00:26:41   isn't it adorable and these little icons [TS]

00:26:42   look like [TS]

00:26:43   it just is just like an office not [TS]

00:26:45   really a desk I was like an office you [TS]

00:26:47   know your office is a trash can your [TS]

00:26:49   office has folders your office has [TS]

00:26:50   pieces of paper you know those things [TS]

00:26:51   right yeah and this is what people got [TS]

00:26:54   stuck on especially in the early days [TS]

00:26:55   everybody talked about the Mac like wow [TS]

00:26:56   it's easy to use because it uses this [TS]

00:26:58   metaphor of things that people are [TS]

00:27:00   familiar with right you don't have to [TS]

00:27:01   learn very much to use it right but they [TS]

00:27:04   were saying like it's because because [TS]

00:27:05   people already know what a trash can is [TS]

00:27:06   and because we have you know that the [TS]

00:27:08   graphical capabilities to draw something [TS]

00:27:10   that people will recognize as trash can [TS]

00:27:11   but the pixels are really small right [TS]

00:27:12   and we have good artists and stuff and [TS]

00:27:14   we can draw this little thing it looks [TS]

00:27:15   like a folder and people know what [TS]

00:27:16   folders are already so there's not [TS]

00:27:17   there's nothing to learn it's familiar [TS]

00:27:19   right that's all people we're talking [TS]

00:27:21   about that but I think that's a [TS]

00:27:22   distraction the maybe in the early days [TS]

00:27:25   that was important in terms of like [TS]

00:27:26   making people feel comfortable so [TS]

00:27:28   they're not intimidated because they see [TS]

00:27:30   symbols on the screen that that look [TS]

00:27:31   like things that they are familiar with [TS]

00:27:33   but the real difference was that it [TS]

00:27:36   stopped being a conversation in almost [TS]

00:27:38   an adversarial conversation where the [TS]

00:27:40   computer says now you will type [TS]

00:27:41   something here and you were saying I [TS]

00:27:43   don't know what to type I'll try this [TS]

00:27:44   and it would say no you have typed the [TS]

00:27:45   wrong thing is something different no [TS]

00:27:47   that's the wrong thing to you type that [TS]

00:27:49   okay now I'll do what you told me to do [TS]

00:27:50   but I'm not going to tell you really [TS]

00:27:52   what that was maybe I'll tell you [TS]

00:27:53   whether it was successful or not maybe [TS]

00:27:54   silence means it was successful you know [TS]

00:27:56   that was intimidating versus this thing [TS]

00:27:58   where what it gave you is not a [TS]

00:28:01   conversation but a thing now I I got off [TS]

00:28:06   my first Mac when I was like 9 or 10 [TS]

00:28:07   years old 1984 and giving this computer [TS]

00:28:11   to me and I had Mac's before I max [TS]

00:28:13   before I had computers before that [TS]

00:28:14   booted to a prompt and I'd done basic [TS]

00:28:15   program stuff like that so I understood [TS]

00:28:17   the concept of booting to a problem do [TS]

00:28:18   this thing but you gave me this other [TS]

00:28:19   thing did not boot to a prompt booted to [TS]

00:28:21   this this desktop and the mouse control [TS]

00:28:24   the cursor it was pretty clear what you [TS]

00:28:25   did with the mouse was just like a kind [TS]

00:28:27   of extension of your hand you move it [TS]

00:28:28   around the screen it's got one button on [TS]

00:28:29   the mouse what do you do is when the [TS]

00:28:31   little arrow was over something you push [TS]

00:28:32   the button and you see what the heck [TS]

00:28:33   happens it was kind it was kind of like [TS]

00:28:36   giving someone like an ant farm or like [TS]

00:28:38   a tavern puzzle or one of those 161 kids [TS]

00:28:40   it was it was like a thing not not a not [TS]

00:28:43   a conversation not not a challenge not [TS]

00:28:45   not a game but a thing where you could [TS]

00:28:49   poke the thing and you'd see how it [TS]

00:28:50   react like in a you know in it farm you [TS]

00:28:52   know what happens if I stick a stick in [TS]

00:28:54   there what happens if I cover over this [TS]

00:28:55   though anthill you know what happens if [TS]

00:28:57   and upset and shake or you know a tavern [TS]

00:28:59   puzzle you know what happens when I pull [TS]

00:29:00   this metal thing out whatever's gonna [TS]

00:29:01   you know so even as a nine-year-old who [TS]

00:29:04   had never seen a GUI before you could [TS]

00:29:06   pretty quickly figure out all right well [TS]

00:29:07   this is only really one way to get input [TS]

00:29:09   aside it wasn't touching the keyboard [TS]

00:29:10   because it was no there was no props [TS]

00:29:12   there was no type you know the number of [TS]

00:29:13   things you can type on a keyboard is [TS]

00:29:14   nearly infinite but clicking it's like [TS]

00:29:16   well I can click on these little [TS]

00:29:17   pictures on the screen and eventually [TS]

00:29:19   you figure out if you click two times [TS]

00:29:20   faster than something different you can [TS]

00:29:21   click and hold down and it drags you you [TS]

00:29:24   could figure out how it worked without [TS]

00:29:26   having to read a manual and without [TS]

00:29:28   having to type every possible string of [TS]

00:29:30   characters that you can type on a [TS]

00:29:31   keyboard and that in my view was was the [TS]

00:29:35   big difference between the Macintosh way [TS]

00:29:38   and the pre Macintosh way sort of the [TS]

00:29:40   GUI in the non GUI way is not not the [TS]

00:29:42   desktop metaphor and all the little [TS]

00:29:43   folders and letting people know what the [TS]

00:29:45   things were but the fact that you could [TS]

00:29:47   figure it out by trial and error in a [TS]

00:29:50   reasonable amount of time because it [TS]

00:29:52   worked more like a physical yeah object [TS]

00:29:54   then then like you know some sort of [TS]

00:29:57   obscure game system right well there's a [TS]

00:29:59   lot of value though to that to that [TS]

00:30:01   metaphor yeah I mean obviously the [TS]

00:30:04   metaphor was helping to be the thing to [TS]

00:30:05   look like a folder you'd have some [TS]

00:30:06   notion of what it might do and you could [TS]

00:30:08   open it you could put stuff in it you [TS]

00:30:10   know yeah I mean it was helping you [TS]

00:30:12   understand what was going on if they had [TS]

00:30:14   made them circle squares and Diamonds it [TS]

00:30:15   would have been more difficult to [TS]

00:30:17   understand but but even if they had make [TS]

00:30:18   them Sir made them circle squares and [TS]

00:30:20   diamonds [TS]

00:30:20   kids in particular would figure it out [TS]

00:30:22   because if you think about video games [TS]

00:30:23   of the time everything on screen was [TS]

00:30:24   like a circle or a square or daimond or [TS]

00:30:26   some other simple shape very clued [TS]

00:30:28   crudely drawn with big hunk and pixels [TS]

00:30:30   but we didn't really care like the [TS]

00:30:32   abstraction went away but you could fare [TS]

00:30:33   like okay I in asteroids on this little [TS]

00:30:35   arrow shaped thing all right but it's [TS]

00:30:37   clear you know what other shape it is [TS]

00:30:38   you could have bit its circle diamond [TS]

00:30:39   whatever it's it's you that's you that's [TS]

00:30:41   the thing it shoots the asteroid hits [TS]

00:30:43   you and you die and no matter what shape [TS]

00:30:44   any of those objects are you could [TS]

00:30:46   change them all into completely [TS]

00:30:47   different pictures the game still makes [TS]

00:30:48   sense once you use it now the finder [TS]

00:30:53   it's right in his name is that the point [TS]

00:30:55   of the finder was to find things and is [TS]

00:30:58   it's interesting to contrast the the way [TS]

00:31:00   you find things the conversation wavers [TS]

00:31:02   is the Macintosh way so knowing what [TS]

00:31:07   things you were supposed to be finding [TS]

00:31:08   is one thing you know the fact that they [TS]

00:31:10   look like little [TS]

00:31:10   pieces of paper with the corners folded [TS]

00:31:12   or folders tell you if I'm looking for [TS]

00:31:15   something it's probably one of those [TS]

00:31:16   piece of paper things it's like my [TS]

00:31:17   electronic piece of paper or and they [TS]

00:31:19   might be inside of the folder something [TS]

00:31:20   like that but and all the screens you to [TS]

00:31:22   know that but pretend you knew it was [TS]

00:31:23   you refining the conversation way it was [TS]

00:31:25   like like a text adventure what you [TS]

00:31:26   would do is like you get at the prompt [TS]

00:31:29   that you type like look room that's the [TS]

00:31:30   equivalent of like LS order or one of [TS]

00:31:33   those commands and that would this is [TS]

00:31:34   theme of like info context adventures [TS]

00:31:36   and it would say exits or a B and C you [TS]

00:31:37   know and those are like you would list [TS]

00:31:39   the files and fold it in there and then [TS]

00:31:40   you'd say okay fine go to a or go north [TS]

00:31:42   that's that's C D right change directory [TS]

00:31:45   then you type look room again and it [TS]

00:31:46   would tell you what's in that room right [TS]

00:31:47   if anyone's played a text adventure this [TS]

00:31:49   is the process of wandering around text [TS]

00:31:51   adventure you this text printed on the [TS]

00:31:53   screen explain to you what's around but [TS]

00:31:55   you have to prompt you to say tell me [TS]

00:31:56   what's here where are my exits okay [TS]

00:31:58   going to that exit look around here do [TS]

00:32:00   that to that take this thing and put it [TS]

00:32:02   on top of that examine this okay go here [TS]

00:32:04   go there all the while you're moving [TS]

00:32:06   around your current location is kind of [TS]

00:32:07   kept in your head and you can ask the [TS]

00:32:09   computer where am i right that's instead [TS]

00:32:12   of the state you can say where am i [TS]

00:32:13   current working directory will say [TS]

00:32:14   you're in the north lobby there exist [TS]

00:32:16   north south oh yeah I forgot about that [TS]

00:32:18   and you spend a while and they're doing [TS]

00:32:19   stuff or whatever and you come back and [TS]

00:32:20   go to the computer so where am I tell me [TS]

00:32:22   again right but if you're just working [TS]

00:32:23   you're maintaining that state in your [TS]

00:32:25   head like what is my current directory [TS]

00:32:26   how did I get here [TS]

00:32:28   what are the contents of this directory [TS]

00:32:29   you know stuff like that yeah the [TS]

00:32:32   Macintosh Way was more like I was trying [TS]

00:32:35   to come up with a good analogy for this [TS]

00:32:37   is but it was not like a text adventure [TS]

00:32:38   it was more like like I said like a [TS]

00:32:41   physical thing like say you were looking [TS]

00:32:42   for something in a tool box like one of [TS]

00:32:44   those big red tool boxes in a garage [TS]

00:32:45   with 15 million drawers although it's [TS]

00:32:48   more like an infinitely deep tool box [TS]

00:32:51   bragging centers within drawers dr. you [TS]

00:32:53   open the drawer and inside that is [TS]

00:32:54   another drawer instead as another drawer [TS]

00:32:56   but that's that shouldn't distract from [TS]

00:32:58   the fact that that's the process of [TS]

00:32:59   doing stuff that your look room [TS]

00:33:02   equivalent is you open the drawer and [TS]

00:33:03   there is no command to look at the room [TS]

00:33:05   you just look with your eyes and you see [TS]

00:33:06   what are the contents of this you know [TS]

00:33:08   when I open this folder it opens this [TS]

00:33:10   window what's in that window I don't ask [TS]

00:33:12   the computer what's in the window the [TS]

00:33:13   computer shows me and if I can't see [TS]

00:33:15   something just like I can't see [TS]

00:33:15   something in a drawer I like pull the [TS]

00:33:17   drawer arm or move stuff out of the way [TS]

00:33:19   you know you dig around you rummage [TS]

00:33:20   around in there and yes you may find [TS]

00:33:23   another drawer inside there except [TS]

00:33:24   style and open that drawer and look [TS]

00:33:26   what's in there right and so the state [TS]

00:33:29   of where you are and what it was you're [TS]

00:33:30   looking at was maintained visually by [TS]

00:33:32   the computer you didn't have to remember [TS]

00:33:34   where you were you just look and see [TS]

00:33:36   like you know what what is it what is [TS]

00:33:38   where am i what is in this place that I [TS]

00:33:39   am it you know then there was a title [TS]

00:33:41   bar the window or whatever but you would [TS]

00:33:42   see this is what's in this window and [TS]

00:33:44   especially in the early days there's [TS]

00:33:45   like three or four icons per window you [TS]

00:33:47   could see everything that was in either [TS]

00:33:48   one of them and if you wanted to know [TS]

00:33:50   how did I get here [TS]

00:33:51   well you could see like where the drawer [TS]

00:33:54   was sticking out of in other words so [TS]

00:33:56   you could see by where the drawer when [TS]

00:33:59   you double-click the folder would do [TS]

00:34:00   that little animation and it would show [TS]

00:34:01   you this is coming from there it was [TS]

00:34:03   very crude animation because it was 1984 [TS]

00:34:05   but it would have a series of lines [TS]

00:34:06   saying you know that folds of the [TS]

00:34:07   double-clicked is now opening this thing [TS]

00:34:08   that's where it came from and it would [TS]

00:34:10   gray out the the place where it came [TS]

00:34:11   from [TS]

00:34:11   and the new window would be in that [TS]

00:34:13   location and that's where the stuff [TS]

00:34:15   would be and you scroll around to look [TS]

00:34:18   for stuff and that's the key part is the [TS]

00:34:20   looking around for stuff was literally [TS]

00:34:22   looking around like when you rummage [TS]

00:34:23   through a like a junk drawer for [TS]

00:34:24   something you are you know and if the [TS]

00:34:27   drawer is messy it's going to be harder [TS]

00:34:28   to find stuff you know but but you you [TS]

00:34:30   can look around for stuff by you know [TS]

00:34:31   scrolling is not much different than [TS]

00:34:32   pulling out the drawer more moving stuff [TS]

00:34:34   out of the way with your hands you can [TS]

00:34:35   move stuff around and arrange things [TS]

00:34:36   however you want it if you're into lock [TS]

00:34:38   organization you can make a nice neat [TS]

00:34:40   junk drawer where you say okay well let [TS]

00:34:42   me I keep going in this drawer to get [TS]

00:34:43   stuff let me just arrange stuff the way [TS]

00:34:44   I want it to be so it'll to be you know [TS]

00:34:46   it'll be easier to find next time maybe [TS]

00:34:49   I'll put them in alphabetical order [TS]

00:34:50   maybe I'll put them in little groups [TS]

00:34:51   maybe I'll just arrange them arbitrarily [TS]

00:34:52   maybe I'll put my favorite ones on the [TS]

00:34:54   upper left and you know whatever you [TS]

00:34:55   want to do but eventually what you do is [TS]

00:34:57   you have a place for everything and [TS]

00:34:58   everything in its place [TS]

00:35:00   visually and this is this is kind of a [TS]

00:35:03   bargain that people are used to kind of [TS]

00:35:06   let me arrange things in places right [TS]

00:35:09   and people used to this in the real [TS]

00:35:11   world because this is what this is what [TS]

00:35:12   keeping your house is like or your [TS]

00:35:14   arranging your room or whatever it's up [TS]

00:35:16   to you to more or less you know keep [TS]

00:35:18   your silverware a nice neat pile so that [TS]

00:35:20   you know where the forks are instead of [TS]

00:35:21   putting all your so we're into a big [TS]

00:35:22   jumble if you want to put all your so [TS]

00:35:23   were in a big jumble fine and when you [TS]

00:35:24   want to go in there looking for a fork [TS]

00:35:25   you can you know sift through the stuff [TS]

00:35:27   and find the fork where but that's up to [TS]

00:35:29   you this is the bargain of life and this [TS]

00:35:31   is this was the bargain of the Mac [TS]

00:35:32   presented you with is that you could [TS]

00:35:34   arrange things however you wanted and if [TS]

00:35:36   you're a neat person you could be [TS]

00:35:36   needing you're a sloppy person you can [TS]

00:35:38   be slob [TS]

00:35:39   and what it did whether you need or [TS]

00:35:41   sloppy was it eventually let you build [TS]

00:35:43   up a memory of where things are the same [TS]

00:35:45   way kind of this is an example I use one [TS]

00:35:47   of the early articles I'll bring that [TS]

00:35:49   again just because I think it's it's [TS]

00:35:50   still a good one the same way when you [TS]

00:35:52   move into a new house which you'll be [TS]

00:35:54   doing shortly hopefully I hold you first [TS]

00:35:57   move in you don't really know where all [TS]

00:35:59   the light switches are right so every [TS]

00:36:01   time you come in home you're like is [TS]

00:36:02   this on the inside especially if you [TS]

00:36:03   can't move to New England from someplace [TS]

00:36:04   else the England puts light switches to [TS]

00:36:06   the bathrooms on the outside crazy stuff [TS]

00:36:07   like that from you know really old [TS]

00:36:09   houses just so you can like goof on on [TS]

00:36:11   your kids and turn the light off while [TS]

00:36:12   they're in there in the shower yeah I [TS]

00:36:14   don't know why that is some person is a [TS]

00:36:15   contractor in New England will send us [TS]

00:36:17   an email and explain why the light [TS]

00:36:19   switches can you do your best New [TS]

00:36:21   England accent of the imitating the [TS]

00:36:23   contractor coming in and what he would [TS]

00:36:25   say I do not have a New England accent [TS]

00:36:26   nor can I imitate one NORC and most [TS]

00:36:28   people in Hollywood but I know one money [TS]

00:36:31   you can do Boston but yeah so but when [TS]

00:36:34   you've been there for a while eventually [TS]

00:36:36   you remember all the lights which is art [TS]

00:36:37   it's not like you spent some time like [TS]

00:36:39   okay kids we're going to spend an hour [TS]

00:36:41   tonight to memorize where all the light [TS]

00:36:42   switches are you don't expend any effort [TS]

00:36:45   on remembering where the light switch is [TS]

00:36:46   are you just leave you lived there for a [TS]

00:36:47   week [TS]

00:36:48   two weeks eventually you remember old [TS]

00:36:49   lights resort how the hell do you do [TS]

00:36:51   that how is it that suddenly you know [TS]

00:36:52   where all the light switches are and you [TS]

00:36:53   expended literally zero conscious [TS]

00:36:55   thought to remember where the light rays [TS]

00:36:58   are well you remember where they are [TS]

00:36:59   because they don't move and you know [TS]

00:37:02   yeah you didn't choose you didn't even [TS]

00:37:03   choose to put them there but you know [TS]

00:37:05   some other person but them in crazy [TS]

00:37:07   positions but eventually you remember [TS]

00:37:08   where they are just you know we call it [TS]

00:37:10   muscle memory or whatever we call it [TS]

00:37:11   obviously your muscles don't actually [TS]

00:37:12   have memory these are all phrases that [TS]

00:37:14   we've come up with to describe the [TS]

00:37:17   sensation of us not haven't you not use [TS]

00:37:19   our people brains to remember where [TS]

00:37:21   things are just happens automatically so [TS]

00:37:22   that's like that's obviously not me I'm [TS]

00:37:23   not thinking about it it's muscle memory [TS]

00:37:26   my muscles know so when I walk into the [TS]

00:37:27   room even it's like in the middle the [TS]

00:37:28   night I'm getting up to take a leak my [TS]

00:37:30   hand just automatically flicks the light [TS]

00:37:31   switch on I didn't think about it just [TS]

00:37:33   happened right so this obviously is easy [TS]

00:37:36   for something stationary like light [TS]

00:37:37   switch just don't move it you can have [TS]

00:37:38   the same experience with things that you [TS]

00:37:40   choose to put somewhere like eventually [TS]

00:37:42   when you move into new house you decide [TS]

00:37:43   where you're going to put the scissors [TS]

00:37:44   so that every time you want the scissors [TS]

00:37:45   you go and get this eventually you stop [TS]

00:37:47   thinking about where the scissors are [TS]

00:37:49   you just go I need to go get the [TS]

00:37:51   scissors it's like a macro [TS]

00:37:52   your body gets up walks through the [TS]

00:37:53   house without hitting any of the walls [TS]

00:37:54   correctly turns on all the lights which [TS]

00:37:56   is on its way there opens the drawer [TS]

00:37:57   where you know the scissors are takes [TS]

00:37:59   the scissors out of the drawer maybe [TS]

00:38:00   you're not even looking walks back with [TS]

00:38:02   the room of the scissors and you do your [TS]

00:38:03   thing right because you chose that this [TS]

00:38:06   is going to be in this drawer and you [TS]

00:38:07   have been living in this house for a [TS]

00:38:08   while and you've you know arranged the [TS]

00:38:10   furniture in a certain way and the rooms [TS]

00:38:11   are connected in a certain way [TS]

00:38:12   electrodes are a certain way all because [TS]

00:38:14   it behaves like the physical world and [TS]

00:38:15   it's not not surprising that people are [TS]

00:38:17   good at doing this because people have [TS]

00:38:18   been living in the physical world since [TS]

00:38:20   there have been people you have to [TS]

00:38:21   navigate 3d space look at things with [TS]

00:38:24   your eyes and do repetitive tasks [TS]

00:38:26   without thinking about them because if [TS]

00:38:28   we had to think like you know like [TS]

00:38:29   you're programming a robot pick up your [TS]

00:38:31   foot move it forward slightly lean your [TS]

00:38:33   body forward now your foot your body is [TS]

00:38:35   starting to tilt catch it with your foot [TS]

00:38:36   catch though I mean we don't think like [TS]

00:38:39   that [TS]

00:38:39   things become sort of automatic for us [TS]

00:38:41   to do because we this is just how we [TS]

00:38:43   evolved if we had to think consciously [TS]

00:38:44   about every little thing that we did we [TS]

00:38:46   would not be a successful species so the [TS]

00:38:49   human mind body and brain are completely [TS]

00:38:51   tuned to do things based on visual input [TS]

00:38:54   with our hands physically without [TS]

00:38:57   thinking about it and this is the the [TS]

00:38:59   most efficient possible way that you can [TS]

00:39:02   do anything really now the reason this [TS]

00:39:06   ties back to the Mac is that this is [TS]

00:39:08   what the Mac was like especially to [TS]

00:39:10   young childhood note to it know a thing [TS]

00:39:13   - it wasn't a change for anything it was [TS]

00:39:14   like the first interface that I've used [TS]

00:39:16   right it was like a little like a little [TS]

00:39:18   toy box like a little place where you [TS]

00:39:20   could rearrange things now they weren't [TS]

00:39:22   real things they were flat [TS]

00:39:23   two-dimensional things but they behaved [TS]

00:39:25   like real things they'd be it was like a [TS]

00:39:26   little diorama okay [TS]

00:39:28   and you just move things around arrange [TS]

00:39:30   things like looks like a little tiny [TS]

00:39:32   world in there and and the great thing [TS]

00:39:33   about it was that you know you could [TS]

00:39:35   draw lines and erase them and you didn't [TS]

00:39:36   you know it wasn't like paper they were [TS]

00:39:37   raised perfectly you could arrange [TS]

00:39:39   things perfectly and align them on this [TS]

00:39:40   pixel grid which is difficult to do in [TS]

00:39:42   real life and everything but but it was [TS]

00:39:43   this little world that you could [TS]

00:39:44   manipulate and the experience of the Mac [TS]

00:39:46   was that you turned it on and that's [TS]

00:39:48   what you saw like it wasn't like a [TS]

00:39:49   program that you ran right it wasn't [TS]

00:39:52   like you were running the finder program [TS]

00:39:54   then you know when you turn the computer [TS]

00:39:55   on on a boot did this is what you saw [TS]

00:39:57   applications ran on the computer when [TS]

00:39:59   you launched an application then you saw [TS]

00:40:00   something else and it was like oh okay [TS]

00:40:02   this is this application is interfaced [TS]

00:40:03   and this has palettes or it's a game or [TS]

00:40:05   you know [TS]

00:40:05   it's whatever but when you quit the [TS]

00:40:07   application nothing else is running you [TS]

00:40:09   just saw the computer all right the [TS]

00:40:11   finder is what you saw when all the [TS]

00:40:12   applications were closed it was no [TS]

00:40:14   closing of the finder right to close the [TS]

00:40:16   finder was to turn off the computer and [TS]

00:40:18   the the upshot of this is what I wrote [TS]

00:40:20   way back in 2003 I still believe to this [TS]

00:40:23   day is that back then the finder was the [TS]

00:40:25   computer it's not like it was a program [TS]

00:40:28   running on the computer the finder was [TS]

00:40:30   the computer when it was it was a [TS]

00:40:32   magical little world called the finder [TS]

00:40:33   and that was the entire computer and [TS]

00:40:35   then you could run things on top of it [TS]

00:40:36   those were just like bonuses and the [TS]

00:40:38   reason the Mac was more friendly and [TS]

00:40:39   people liked it was not in my opinion so [TS]

00:40:41   much is because of desktop metaphor but [TS]

00:40:43   because that when everything was quit [TS]

00:40:45   and closed you were just left with the [TS]

00:40:47   computer [TS]

00:40:47   you were left this little diorama thing [TS]

00:40:49   that people could understand and manage [TS]

00:40:52   they understood how it works because it [TS]

00:40:54   worked like the real world and if you [TS]

00:40:56   used it for any reasonable period of [TS]

00:40:57   time it was like the light switches in [TS]

00:40:59   your house you arrange things in a [TS]

00:41:00   certain way you knew where things were [TS]

00:41:02   or you chose not to arrange them and you [TS]

00:41:03   just live with the messy junk drawer but [TS]

00:41:05   at least you knew where the junk drawer [TS]

00:41:06   was right and it was it was a bargain [TS]

00:41:09   that people were used to and it felt [TS]

00:41:12   friendly it felt less effort than [TS]

00:41:14   remembering which you have to make a [TS]

00:41:15   conscious effort to remember all these [TS]

00:41:16   commands very few people you know make [TS]

00:41:17   programmers or maybe your UNIX geeks and [TS]

00:41:19   stuff have the capacity to remember all [TS]

00:41:21   these commands because you do have to [TS]

00:41:23   read man pages in the beginning and [TS]

00:41:24   remember what that flag tell s is and [TS]

00:41:26   remember what are the arguments go on on [TS]

00:41:28   the Ln command and stuff like that like [TS]

00:41:29   even no matter how good you are at [TS]

00:41:31   memorizing computers you have to make [TS]

00:41:33   some effort and some people can never [TS]

00:41:34   cross that threshold you know some [TS]

00:41:36   people you tried to teach simple [TS]

00:41:37   command-line stuff they never never get [TS]

00:41:39   over the hump they you know it is an [TS]

00:41:41   effort but if you put someone in front [TS]

00:41:43   of a 1984 Macintosh and you make them [TS]

00:41:45   use it for a week to do simple tasks [TS]

00:41:46   they will eventually figure out the very [TS]

00:41:49   least to find a part of it with like [TS]

00:41:51   okay well where's that file okay it's [TS]

00:41:52   over here over here there it is or [TS]

00:41:53   although you know put stuff on a desktop [TS]

00:41:55   or whatever um and so that was that was [TS]

00:42:00   the the the thing that the Mac [TS]

00:42:02   represented to me that was what made it [TS]

00:42:04   what they called user friendly right it [TS]

00:42:07   was because it wasn't a cop an [TS]

00:42:08   adversarial conversation where you [TS]

00:42:10   weren't getting hints by the computer it [TS]

00:42:11   was because it was more like a thing now [TS]

00:42:15   what else do I have here in my last [TS]

00:42:17   remaining ten minutes which time am I [TS]

00:42:18   supposed to [TS]

00:42:19   be interrupting you on well so all right [TS]

00:42:23   we'll get through it I think all right [TS]

00:42:25   let me let me do the second sponsor we [TS]

00:42:27   also want to say thanks to sound studio [TS]

00:42:28   for its an easy to you I love this app [TS]

00:42:30   review system today's use Mac app for [TS]

00:42:33   recording and editing digital audio on [TS]

00:42:35   your computer you can digitize tapes [TS]

00:42:37   vinyl records you can record live [TS]

00:42:38   performances podcasts whatever you want [TS]

00:42:41   to do and you can edit with it - you can [TS]

00:42:43   do mixes crossfades tweak the levels in [TS]

00:42:45   the EQ you can export in all of your [TS]

00:42:47   favorite formats a if' wav mp3 AAC even [TS]

00:42:51   john Syracuse's favorite the OGG Vorbis [TS]

00:42:55   you can try sound studio for for free [TS]

00:42:57   for 15 days fully functional by visiting [TS]

00:43:01   felt-tip comm /ss for sound studio or if [TS]

00:43:05   you just want to go check it out in the [TS]

00:43:07   App Store you could do it they sell it [TS]

00:43:08   there just search for sound studio or [TS]

00:43:11   sound studio for and you'll find it love [TS]

00:43:13   this app use this app constantly any [TS]

00:43:16   time I need to just do string forward [TS]

00:43:17   recordings I don't want to have to mess [TS]

00:43:19   with logic and all that stuff that's [TS]

00:43:21   overkill for most people really this is [TS]

00:43:23   my go-to app highly recommended please [TS]

00:43:26   go check them out use that right tone [TS]

00:43:29   I do have sound studio I think I got in [TS]

00:43:31   one of those bundles way back when yeah [TS]

00:43:33   probably don't have the latest version [TS]

00:43:34   well the easy it was that was my sound [TS]

00:43:36   edit 16 replacement that's right it's a [TS]

00:43:38   small app shop they've continued to [TS]

00:43:40   update it it's very much [TS]

00:43:41   it's a 64-bit app now it's come a long [TS]

00:43:44   way a lot of new stuff in version 4 that [TS]

00:43:46   I'm happy with for years I was I was [TS]

00:43:49   looking for a replacement for sound data [TS]

00:43:50   16 which was my old go to you just want [TS]

00:43:53   that at some audio app and I couldn't [TS]

00:43:54   find one sound studio was the one I came [TS]

00:43:56   up with years ago I haven't updated it [TS]

00:43:58   since probably because it just still [TS]

00:44:00   works but I'll take a look at the newer [TS]

00:44:01   version so where was that now for [TS]

00:44:08   everything that I just described to work [TS]

00:44:10   for that to happen for that whole [TS]

00:44:13   magical moment of just like not having [TS]

00:44:15   to think about it and getting used to [TS]

00:44:16   where things are and everything for that [TS]

00:44:18   to work things have to be recognizable [TS]

00:44:20   and and recognizable without reading no [TS]

00:44:23   reading reading is like the you know the [TS]

00:44:24   Krugman is that his book don't make me [TS]

00:44:26   think I'm thinking of the Economist was [TS]

00:44:28   like Steve Krug is don't make me think [TS]

00:44:31   there you go right [TS]

00:44:33   when I hear that I think don't make me [TS]

00:44:35   read so things have to be recognizable [TS]

00:44:37   that doesn't mean making you read them [TS]

00:44:38   so that's a type dir or LS and get a [TS]

00:44:40   Content and read stuff or even has a [TS]

00:44:42   type CWD and read that thing no reading [TS]

00:44:44   don't make me read ah [TS]

00:44:45   the best way we recognize things with [TS]

00:44:47   our senses because again we don't we [TS]

00:44:50   didn't involve evolved inside a computer [TS]

00:44:51   we evolved in the world that's how we [TS]

00:44:53   recognize everything with our senses all [TS]

00:44:55   right so I you know the best way to [TS]

00:44:57   recognize things given computer [TS]

00:44:58   technology is visually it's it could be [TS]

00:45:01   argued that sound might be adding sound [TS]

00:45:04   to the mix would help but right now we [TS]

00:45:05   don't do that I would say like smells [TS]

00:45:06   another one okay we recognize things in [TS]

00:45:08   the real world with sound what's with [TS]

00:45:10   all our senses with taste I guess but [TS]

00:45:12   we're not quite ready to go for [TS]

00:45:13   smellivision [TS]

00:45:14   or tasting our computer screens sound [TS]

00:45:17   maybe but no one has figured out a way [TS]

00:45:18   to do that's not annoying because sound [TS]

00:45:20   can be kind of annoying so we were on [TS]

00:45:21   the screen recognize things visually and [TS]

00:45:23   that's what the original finder used and [TS]

00:45:25   the way that worked is that when you [TS]

00:45:27   opened a folder there would be a single [TS]

00:45:30   window that was tied to that folder and [TS]

00:45:31   that window would have a certain size [TS]

00:45:33   shaping position that you could adjust [TS]

00:45:34   because it's like a little thing right [TS]

00:45:36   and because you chose how big to make it [TS]

00:45:39   and where to put it and the arrangement [TS]

00:45:42   of things inside it you would come to [TS]

00:45:43   recognize that arrange that visual thing [TS]

00:45:46   with like you'd recognize it visually [TS]

00:45:48   the same way you recognize you know a [TS]

00:45:49   room in your house or a street or [TS]

00:45:50   anything else you recognize visually oh [TS]

00:45:52   that's that window because I recognize [TS]

00:45:54   it by looking at all right and any [TS]

00:45:57   changes to that state rearranging the [TS]

00:45:58   contents scrolling a little bit you know [TS]

00:46:01   changing the size moving it that had to [TS]

00:46:04   be maintained by the computer because if [TS]

00:46:06   it wasn't then when you saw something on [TS]

00:46:09   the screen that visual information would [TS]

00:46:12   not be a reliable means of [TS]

00:46:13   identification and doesn't take much of [TS]

00:46:15   a deviation to make you start discarding [TS]

00:46:18   that information but if you if you did [TS]

00:46:20   some such weak look let me move that [TS]

00:46:21   over there and then the next time you [TS]

00:46:22   opened it it wasn't over there you start [TS]

00:46:25   to you know consciously or not you start [TS]

00:46:26   to say well I can't rely on these things [TS]

00:46:29   that my eyes are seeing to help me [TS]

00:46:30   identify things I have to I have to [TS]

00:46:32   start reading basically like oh that [TS]

00:46:33   looks like that window use last time [TS]

00:46:35   well no but you know oh that looks like [TS]

00:46:37   a the same arrangement of the icons well [TS]

00:46:38   is it well I have it to read you know [TS]

00:46:39   because if any of these changes that you [TS]

00:46:41   made if you try to arrange your [TS]

00:46:43   workspace if you tried to like say [TS]

00:46:44   you're a painter you put the you know [TS]

00:46:46   the [TS]

00:46:46   by out the the big cup of water over [TS]

00:46:49   there and your palette over here and you [TS]

00:46:50   put the red in the corner and the black [TS]

00:46:51   over there and the white over there and [TS]

00:46:53   you put the little towel over this bar [TS]

00:46:54   so you can get to it and you have your [TS]

00:46:56   seat here and your sandwiches behind you [TS]

00:46:57   up you make that nice arrangement then [TS]

00:46:59   you spend the time doing that and then [TS]

00:47:01   something moves and you go for the water [TS]

00:47:02   thing and it's not where you left it you [TS]

00:47:04   can be like okay I guess we can't get to [TS]

00:47:06   that water thing by just looking for it [TS]

00:47:07   I have to you know look it up by name or [TS]

00:47:09   Salvi's as the analogy falls down [TS]

00:47:10   because in pewter world is different but [TS]

00:47:11   the point is as soon as you stop [TS]

00:47:13   behaving like the real world does in [TS]

00:47:16   terms of state retention the user will [TS]

00:47:18   just start discarding that as valuable [TS]

00:47:20   information and they have to use [TS]

00:47:21   something else and look that something [TS]

00:47:22   else is is usually reading that where am [TS]

00:47:24   i I have to read something now and that [TS]

00:47:26   is way way less efficient you know [TS]

00:47:28   you'll never get to that sort of I know [TS]

00:47:29   world lights which is our thing if you [TS]

00:47:31   have to start reading stuff now the [TS]

00:47:35   finder that I described in the beginning [TS]

00:47:36   is the way the fine to work for 16 years [TS]

00:47:39   1984 through 2001 or so yeah the old [TS]

00:47:41   school fund your favorite finder yeah [TS]

00:47:44   and and that's what I call the spatial [TS]

00:47:45   finder spatial as you know as in you [TS]

00:47:47   know objects in space type of thing I [TS]

00:47:49   don't think I cone that term I probably [TS]

00:47:52   read it somewhere way back when and [TS]

00:47:54   you've just been repeating it since but [TS]

00:47:56   when I say spatial finder that's what I [TS]

00:47:58   mean and when other people say it I'm [TS]

00:48:01   not sure what it is they mean I hope [TS]

00:48:02   they mean the same thing as I do but [TS]

00:48:04   they're talking about you're talking [TS]

00:48:05   about the same thing if you've seen [TS]

00:48:07   Jurassic Park that's not the spatial fun [TS]

00:48:10   that is spatial okay what is that that [TS]

00:48:13   is the thing on SGI it's actually a real [TS]

00:48:14   program that is actually fly through the [TS]

00:48:17   file system no you know what those were [TS]

00:48:20   just like tiles that would fly a tree [TS]

00:48:21   yeah yeah that's not the spatial okay [TS]

00:48:23   what is it then all right so so it's [TS]

00:48:26   what I just described it's it's that [TS]

00:48:27   finder that works that way that is the [TS]

00:48:29   windows or tied to a single folder that [TS]

00:48:31   any sort of state change you make to the [TS]

00:48:33   arrangement of icons or the size and [TS]

00:48:35   position of the windows is retained [TS]

00:48:37   that's it [TS]

00:48:38   that's it simple the thing about the [TS]

00:48:41   spatial finder is it's not it's not like [TS]

00:48:43   fetishizing the past or some weird set [TS]

00:48:46   of rules that you have to comply to like [TS]

00:48:47   religion like only it's just an [TS]

00:48:49   arbitrary set of rules and it's it's our [TS]

00:48:50   Bible and we don't question why it's [TS]

00:48:52   there and you have to comply to it [TS]

00:48:53   because we're selling you it's good now [TS]

00:48:54   the spatial finder is a means to an end [TS]

00:48:56   the whole point of the spatial finder [TS]

00:48:58   whether they intended it or not [TS]

00:49:00   the reason it worked is because the way [TS]

00:49:02   that it behaved allowed the visual [TS]

00:49:04   spatial information to be significant [TS]

00:49:07   and it engaged that incredibly powerful [TS]

00:49:09   part of your brain that would recognize [TS]

00:49:11   that stuff and if it work differently if [TS]

00:49:14   you broke one of these rules of the [TS]

00:49:15   spatial finder then that you'd stop [TS]

00:49:18   leveraging that part of the brain so if [TS]

00:49:19   it didn't retain visual state if you [TS]

00:49:21   could have multiple windows open that [TS]

00:49:24   all represented the same folder when you [TS]

00:49:25   made a state change to it you'd be like [TS]

00:49:26   well so am I am i changing the size of [TS]

00:49:28   this folder but because I see it over [TS]

00:49:31   there and it's a different thing so next [TS]

00:49:32   time I open it where is it good you know [TS]

00:49:34   you don't think about this consciously [TS]

00:49:35   but basically what it boils down to is [TS]

00:49:37   that you don't spend the time to arrange [TS]

00:49:40   stuff because you don't have any [TS]

00:49:41   confidence you don't even know what it [TS]

00:49:42   is you're arranging you know how many [TS]

00:49:44   confidence it's gonna be the same way [TS]

00:49:45   the next time you use it [TS]

00:49:46   so in Mac in Mac OS 10 they introduced a [TS]

00:49:50   new model to the finder which is not it [TS]

00:49:53   was not new in 2001 mag was thinking [TS]

00:49:56   about but it was new to the Mac and that [TS]

00:49:57   that's browsing and we're all familiar [TS]

00:49:58   with browsing from web browser it's [TS]

00:50:00   basically the window is kind of like a [TS]

00:50:02   device through which you can view many [TS]

00:50:04   things like my magic magic device a [TS]

00:50:06   magic portal and the browser window is [TS]

00:50:09   wherever it is but the contents of that [TS]

00:50:11   window can be anything right and as you [TS]

00:50:13   change the contents of the window the [TS]

00:50:15   window itself doesn't change so you [TS]

00:50:16   don't you know a particular website [TS]

00:50:18   isn't in a particular position on your [TS]

00:50:20   screen the browser is like a little [TS]

00:50:21   device and you could view that same [TS]

00:50:23   website in seven browser devices all the [TS]

00:50:25   same time and that's the direction they [TS]

00:50:30   wanted to go with the finder in Mac OS [TS]

00:50:32   there's also another model on top of [TS]

00:50:34   that which is of course search which is [TS]

00:50:35   already existed but it's come become [TS]

00:50:37   more important where you type stuff in [TS]

00:50:39   and it just gives you a list of matches [TS]

00:50:40   independent of where they are in the [TS]

00:50:42   file hierarchy right now all these [TS]

00:50:44   models I describe they're useful in [TS]

00:50:46   various contexts my Mangum late with Mac [TS]

00:50:49   OS 10 was that they ditched the first [TS]

00:50:51   one I ditched that spatial model they [TS]

00:50:53   introduced browsing which is good and [TS]

00:50:54   has many purposes they made search a lot [TS]

00:50:57   better with spotlight but they decided [TS]

00:50:59   that that first one wasn't important and [TS]

00:51:00   they decided that basically through [TS]

00:51:02   neglect because they say well can't you [TS]

00:51:04   use the Mac OS and finder like that [TS]

00:51:05   can't you just make all your windows not [TS]

00:51:06   have side bars and toolbars you can't [TS]

00:51:08   this you can try to arrange things as [TS]

00:51:10   much as you want but the finder will [TS]

00:51:11   thwart you because it will spawn windows [TS]

00:51:13   that are browsers [TS]

00:51:14   or you'll browse to a location in a [TS]

00:51:16   browser window and change the size of [TS]

00:51:17   the window and not realize you're [TS]

00:51:18   changing the size of the window window [TS]

00:51:19   that you see in the other mode or maybe [TS]

00:51:21   you think you're changing it but you're [TS]

00:51:22   not or when you change the icon v1 and [TS]

00:51:24   in the browser are you changing the icon [TS]

00:51:25   view next time you open that window from [TS]

00:51:27   the dock maybe you are maybe you are [TS]

00:51:29   like I said it doesn't take much to [TS]

00:51:31   throw you off to make this information [TS]

00:51:32   not reliable and it's a shame that they [TS]

00:51:35   ditch that model because it is the most [TS]

00:51:37   efficient way that people recognize [TS]

00:51:38   things I had a hard time convincing [TS]

00:51:41   people of this back in the 2001 days [TS]

00:51:43   because they were saying well you know I [TS]

00:51:45   use the web browsers regret I use them [TS]

00:51:46   all the time and I like tabs and cool [TS]

00:51:49   stuff like that and I use Windows which [TS]

00:51:50   doesn't exactly behave this way and I'm [TS]

00:51:52   fine with it in fact I like Windows [TS]

00:51:53   Explorer and I like browsing you know [TS]

00:51:55   browsing is all well and good but it was [TS]

00:51:58   difficult to convince people especially [TS]

00:51:59   people who hadn't used the Mac for all [TS]

00:52:00   that time that the the spatial way of [TS]

00:52:03   doing things is good abstractly they [TS]

00:52:05   just don't get it but today I can use [TS]

00:52:07   iOS as an example [TS]

00:52:08   springboard which is the thing you see [TS]

00:52:10   when you turn on an iPhone with a little [TS]

00:52:11   grid of icons right that is a spatial [TS]

00:52:13   interface you pick where you want those [TS]

00:52:15   little icons to go by dragging them [TS]

00:52:17   around or whatever and they don't move [TS]

00:52:18   after you put them there and when new [TS]

00:52:20   ones appear they get tacked on to the [TS]

00:52:21   end or whatever but like stuff stays [TS]

00:52:24   where you put it and you have different [TS]

00:52:25   screens in them and it's like left and [TS]

00:52:26   right you know it's not it's a limited [TS]

00:52:27   spatial world does not really you know [TS]

00:52:29   they added folders but you don't really [TS]

00:52:30   go into them but even within the folders [TS]

00:52:31   it's like a little arrangement you know [TS]

00:52:32   and it's a series of screens it's a [TS]

00:52:35   spatial metaphor of like screen one [TS]

00:52:36   screen - it's a big linear sideways [TS]

00:52:39   one-dimensional list of screens where [TS]

00:52:40   you can swipe back and forth through [TS]

00:52:41   them there's no up and down folders is [TS]

00:52:44   like another little portal into the [TS]

00:52:45   world you can look at one level deep and [TS]

00:52:47   it's another grid of icons um but that's [TS]

00:52:51   things people are used to and if you put [TS]

00:52:53   like you know Safari in the upper left [TS]

00:52:54   hand corner it didn't stay there you [TS]

00:52:56   would be pissed you can feel it when [TS]

00:52:58   your thumb go that's why your thumb can [TS]

00:52:59   find these things when you pull out [TS]

00:53:00   you're following your iPod your thumb [TS]

00:53:02   finds the thing you want because that's [TS]

00:53:03   where you put it you decide that's where [TS]

00:53:04   it's gonna go and you get that muscle [TS]

00:53:05   memory thing now now in the 4 minutes [TS]

00:53:09   remaining well are that's fine for [TS]

00:53:11   Merlin moment which is where you could [TS]

00:53:12   have come in any point but Hatton that's [TS]

00:53:14   why I'm from Merlin moment is that well [TS]

00:53:15   that's fine in 1984 and we had seven [TS]

00:53:17   files but now we've got a bazillion file [TS]

00:53:19   so all the spatial business is crap and [TS]

00:53:21   it's pointless and we shouldn't use it [TS]

00:53:22   well I would point is as an example of a [TS]

00:53:25   modern incarnation of a spatial [TS]

00:53:27   interface show [TS]

00:53:28   it's value even though when you know the [TS]

00:53:29   year 2000 in the next millennium and [TS]

00:53:32   stuff but I keep coming back to the [TS]

00:53:35   spatial recognition is still the most [TS]

00:53:37   efficient way you have to to recognize [TS]

00:53:39   stuff if you have a lot of things you [TS]

00:53:41   have to fall back to less efficient [TS]

00:53:43   methods yes so for example on iOS if you [TS]

00:53:44   have 8 bazillion apps and you can't find [TS]

00:53:47   them because you're sick of swiped into [TS]

00:53:49   the screens you might resort to search [TS]

00:53:50   but that's that's a resort if we said to [TS]

00:53:53   launch any app you have to do search [TS]

00:53:54   you'd say that that sucks give me back [TS]

00:53:55   my little grid of icons right you know [TS]

00:53:58   there may be better ways to do it than a [TS]

00:54:00   grid of icons but it's it's you know for [TS]

00:54:04   a small number of things it's good and [TS]

00:54:06   we want to use that when we can and if [TS]

00:54:07   you happen to install more apps in that [TS]

00:54:09   you don't like rummaging around farther [TS]

00:54:10   than you can resort to search but but [TS]

00:54:13   it's still a fallback browsing would be [TS]

00:54:15   somewhere in the middle there where you [TS]

00:54:16   don't want to swipe around from screen [TS]

00:54:18   to screen you want to have some sort of [TS]

00:54:19   browsing interface where you can tap tap [TS]

00:54:20   tap and drill your way down to something [TS]

00:54:22   but you really don't have too much of a [TS]

00:54:23   hierarchy and in iOS for that and the [TS]

00:54:27   finder is similar I think it should be a [TS]

00:54:28   hierarchy of things where and it kind of [TS]

00:54:31   is a Mac OS then where for example [TS]

00:54:33   applications in that goes down the [TS]

00:54:34   application to use the most for regular [TS]

00:54:36   people are in the dock that's that's a [TS]

00:54:37   pretty much a spatial interface you put [TS]

00:54:39   them where you want them in the dock [TS]

00:54:40   they stay there the dock is always in [TS]

00:54:41   the same place assuming you don't move [TS]

00:54:42   it and that's your top level we're [TS]

00:54:44   finding stuff and if you have more than [TS]

00:54:47   that like most of us do you want some [TS]

00:54:49   sort of second level let's go with [TS]

00:54:50   search and I use Quicksilver for that [TS]

00:54:52   where you know it's it's search but it's [TS]

00:54:54   really really fast and it's limited to [TS]

00:54:55   just applications real like ok it's not [TS]

00:54:57   in the dock but I know I have this [TS]

00:54:58   application let me do command space and [TS]

00:55:00   type the first few letters the thing oh [TS]

00:55:01   there it is it returned right but that's [TS]

00:55:03   that's the second level very very few [TS]

00:55:05   people I would imagine are using [TS]

00:55:07   Quicksilver to launch an app that they [TS]

00:55:08   have in the dock maybe if they're always [TS]

00:55:10   on the keyboard and their hands aren't [TS]

00:55:11   on the mouse they might find that more [TS]

00:55:12   efficient and in Lion they're adding one [TS]

00:55:14   more intermediate layer there where it's [TS]

00:55:16   not you don't see it in the dock well [TS]

00:55:18   we'll give you like springboard and Mac [TS]

00:55:19   os10 [TS]

00:55:20   right so it's its launch pad thing where [TS]

00:55:21   they're going to give you essentially a [TS]

00:55:23   spatial view of all your applications in [TS]

00:55:26   a grid presumably arranged in some [TS]

00:55:29   fashion I don't know if you can manually [TS]

00:55:30   arrange those things or if they [TS]

00:55:31   alphabetical or whatever that it remains [TS]

00:55:33   to be seen whether this will be truly [TS]

00:55:34   spatial but they don't want you to have [TS]

00:55:35   to resort to rummaging through the file [TS]

00:55:37   system and when it comes to rummaging [TS]

00:55:39   through the file system which we do do [TS]

00:55:40   increasingly less with [TS]

00:55:42   you could use a browser to do that if [TS]

00:55:44   you want I just have one window and you [TS]

00:55:45   don't really know where things are or [TS]

00:55:47   you could do it the pseudo spatial way [TS]

00:55:50   and hope you just don't get any browser [TS]

00:55:51   windows in between but the main pitch of [TS]

00:55:54   the spatial finder is that spatial [TS]

00:55:57   interfaces is good are good and anytime [TS]

00:55:59   you do something that makes them not [TS]

00:56:01   work you're probably making a mistake [TS]

00:56:03   and so into the definer in particular I [TS]

00:56:06   think it's a shame that they ditched the [TS]

00:56:08   spatial way to operate it [TS]

00:56:11   simply because for many classes of work [TS]

00:56:13   that is still the most efficient method [TS]

00:56:15   and there's no reason to forgo entirely [TS]

00:56:16   add the other methods fine make search [TS]

00:56:18   better add browsing fine but there's no [TS]

00:56:20   reason to kill the spatial way and many [TS]

00:56:23   reasons to keep it as evidence by I [TS]

00:56:24   wasn't stuff for that that's basically [TS]

00:56:26   what they started with before they even [TS]

00:56:27   had search it was all staged and it [TS]

00:56:28   worked buying a work where can people [TS]

00:56:29   loved it and found it easy to use so how [TS]

00:56:33   can I disagree with you means makes [TS]

00:56:35   sense that's why I didn't want to do [TS]

00:56:36   this show because it makes sense we had [TS]

00:56:38   more time you would argue more maybe [TS]

00:56:40   we'll come back to it so I hope not [TS]

00:56:42   because I don't like this time I feel [TS]

00:56:44   like you said B's I don't disagree with [TS]

00:56:46   you it's fine spatial fun great I want [TS]

00:56:49   to tell you about the finder where you [TS]

00:56:50   fly through the file system like that I [TS]

00:56:52   know you're bringing that up as a what [TS]

00:56:53   is a making fun of this all spatial [TS]

00:56:55   interface no one wants to fly through [TS]

00:56:56   stuff you know what about that weird [TS]

00:57:00   finder where things are up on the walls [TS]

00:57:01   it's like a 3d thing you flip it around [TS]

00:57:03   you know I'm talking about I don't but [TS]

00:57:07   it looks like a room you can put stuff [TS]

00:57:08   on the walls of your room oh yeah oh [TS]

00:57:10   yeah yeah yeah I've seen those it's [TS]

00:57:12   weird yeah no but I got a rat we got to [TS]

00:57:17   stop I get a stop I got a the real [TS]

00:57:19   estate person wait I got literally we [TS]

00:57:20   get into a car right now all right all [TS]

00:57:23   right [TS]

00:57:23   to be continued possibly huh we'll see [TS]

00:57:25   don't send us email about it we'll just [TS]

00:57:27   because we don't need more moments [TS]

00:57:29   but John have a great week thanks forfor [TS]

00:57:31   compressing yourself down into just 60 [TS]

00:57:33   minutes I try and thanks everybody for [TS]

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00:57:52   today thanks everybody tuning in thanks [TS]

00:57:54   John have a great Memorial Day weekend [TS]

00:57:55   you too and that's it everybody will see [TS]

00:57:59   y'all again next week [TS]

00:58:10   you [TS]