20: I've Got Nothing


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00:00:15   John siracusa i'm dan benjamin and this [TS]

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00:01:13   at MailChimp com hey John how you doing [TS]

00:01:18   this week doing pretty well that we are [TS]

00:01:21   real people we do a lot of work in posts [TS]

00:01:24   on these shows especially when people [TS]

00:01:26   are recording our I don't even want to [TS]

00:01:29   say it but when people are foolish [TS]

00:01:30   enough to record with a USB headset [TS]

00:01:34   microphone I mean nobody nobody would [TS]

00:01:38   would do that if they were serious about [TS]

00:01:40   this but apparently we're both doing [TS]

00:01:42   that this time [TS]

00:01:44   it'll be okay you'll see we'll do a lot [TS]

00:01:47   of work in post and why am i doing it [TS]

00:01:49   because my recording studio situation is [TS]

00:01:52   completely up in the air and I'm [TS]

00:01:53   essentially studio listened almost [TS]

00:01:56   homeless so this this week we're both [TS]

00:01:59   we're on the even ground this week so [TS]

00:02:01   we'll see what kind of magic we can do [TS]

00:02:03   in post I'm sure we'll be fine [TS]

00:02:07   so how are you how are things going [TS]

00:02:09   you're headed to WWDC I can't believe it [TS]

00:02:11   I can't believe it [TS]

00:02:12   I am I told you this before I believe [TS]

00:02:15   but you don't remember neither do I [TS]

00:02:17   because we're both old men but yeah I [TS]

00:02:20   can't believe you're getting on an [TS]

00:02:22   airplane again so you know this this [TS]

00:02:24   will be the longest plane flight I've [TS]

00:02:26   ever taken I'm not looking forward to it [TS]

00:02:29   but I think I'll survive the lesson [TS]

00:02:33   you've been to WWC before that I have [TS]

00:02:35   never been this will be my first and [TS]

00:02:37   probably my only trip no kidding yes I I [TS]

00:02:41   had no idea Wow [TS]

00:02:42   your only trip why do you say that so [TS]

00:02:44   pessimistic because it's so expensive [TS]

00:02:45   and you know I'm basically taking [TS]

00:02:48   vacation time to do this I'm paying for [TS]

00:02:49   my own tickets it's just ridiculously [TS]

00:02:51   expensive all for what is for me mostly [TS]

00:02:54   a fun trip not really [TS]

00:02:56   work-related or you know I mean right so [TS]

00:03:00   other people that you'll be able to meet [TS]

00:03:02   that you haven't met before is that part [TS]

00:03:04   of it as well or yeah yeah I'm sure I'll [TS]

00:03:07   I'll see people who I've only talked to [TS]

00:03:09   online there but I mean the main thing [TS]

00:03:11   that motivated me to go was that I was [TS]

00:03:13   living in mortal fear that lion would be [TS]

00:03:16   released before I was able to see the [TS]

00:03:19   videos that they normally release after [TS]

00:03:20   WotC because seeing seeing WWC sessions [TS]

00:03:24   that's essential for me writing a decent [TS]

00:03:25   review because I mean if you look at [TS]

00:03:27   some my old Mac os10 reviews all they [TS]

00:03:29   really are is summaries of my favorite [TS]

00:03:30   parts of WDC sessions you know it's a [TS]

00:03:33   it's distilling content down to a [TS]

00:03:35   concentrated form because you have all [TS]

00:03:37   these Apple engineers who wrote the [TS]

00:03:38   stuff working on their presentations for [TS]

00:03:41   you know weeks and months or however [TS]

00:03:42   long they do it right that they give [TS]

00:03:43   their presentations and I watch all [TS]

00:03:45   their presentations then I find the [TS]

00:03:46   things that I thought were interesting [TS]

00:03:47   and distill them further than you get [TS]

00:03:49   you know a Mac os10 review so without [TS]

00:03:51   that stuff I don't have much to go off [TS]

00:03:53   of me and anyone can click around in the [TS]

00:03:55   OS and dig around in files with me it's [TS]

00:03:57   much better to have you know from the [TS]

00:04:00   horse's mouth explaining what the new [TS]

00:04:01   ApS are like and the motivation behind [TS]

00:04:03   them and stuff like that so I I saw the [TS]

00:04:05   release dates that we didn't have any [TS]

00:04:07   announced releases they just said summer [TS]

00:04:08   so I said boy you know lion can come out [TS]

00:04:11   at any time and align the first line [TS]

00:04:13   developer builds we're looking pretty [TS]

00:04:15   good in terms of stability and [TS]

00:04:16   everything so I'm like aw what is this [TS]

00:04:17   thing going to come out at WWDC before [TS]

00:04:20   WWC I have to go other what that's my [TS]

00:04:22   only my only chance to get some input [TS]

00:04:25   from [TS]

00:04:26   Apple engineers about this OS before I [TS]

00:04:28   have to publish a review so I was kind [TS]

00:04:29   of panicked about that a little bit less [TS]

00:04:31   panic now because when they did that a [TS]

00:04:33   announcement that said come to WEC to [TS]

00:04:36   see previews of the next version of Mac [TS]

00:04:39   OS 10 and iOS so when they say previews [TS]

00:04:41   that makes me think the OS will not be [TS]

00:04:43   released at the show like for Cranmer [TS]

00:04:45   for consumers so that made me feel a [TS]

00:04:46   little bit later but whatever what if [TS]

00:04:47   it's released a week after the show or [TS]

00:04:49   two weeks after the show maybe it'll be [TS]

00:04:50   released in a window where I wouldn't [TS]

00:04:52   have been able to see the videos yet [TS]

00:04:53   even though Apple's really fast last [TS]

00:04:55   year with the videos I think they had [TS]

00:04:56   them up like two weeks after the show [TS]

00:04:58   which was a record by far for their [TS]

00:05:00   timeliness but I just felt like I had to [TS]

00:05:03   go and I've been wanting to go for years [TS]

00:05:04   and years and I've been talking with my [TS]

00:05:05   wife about it I said you know someday I [TS]

00:05:07   might want to go to this thing and it's [TS]

00:05:08   a week long and it cost thousands of [TS]

00:05:09   dollars and you know it's just really a [TS]

00:05:12   fun thing for me and she said well you [TS]

00:05:14   should go to one source get out of your [TS]

00:05:15   system and this was the year you know [TS]

00:05:18   and I knew I also knew that as soon as [TS]

00:05:20   they announced the dates to the show it [TS]

00:05:22   was going to be a kind of a click the [TS]

00:05:24   button right now and by not I'd go home [TS]

00:05:26   and talk to your wife I knew it was you [TS]

00:05:28   know cos last year sold out so fast this [TS]

00:05:30   year our new is going to be faster so as [TS]

00:05:31   soon as that announcement came out which [TS]

00:05:32   was luckily you know I was awake when it [TS]

00:05:35   was announced this in Eastern Time and I [TS]

00:05:37   I think I made just one either one phone [TS]

00:05:39   call or I am - my wife did the confer [TS]

00:05:41   confirmation I said well they've [TS]

00:05:43   announced that should I do it or not and [TS]

00:05:45   she just said go for it so I did got my [TS]

00:05:47   ticket and I'm on my way [TS]

00:05:49   this is exciting this is a big day this [TS]

00:05:52   is a big day for Mac fans everywhere [TS]

00:05:53   that know that you're going to be going [TS]

00:05:55   out there and representing you know you [TS]

00:05:57   represent Perl you represent [TS]

00:06:01   five-by-five you're representing you [TS]

00:06:04   know toaster ovens everywhere yeah I [TS]

00:06:06   hand Ars Technica ours one wouldn't ship [TS]

00:06:08   in send you know ours is sending people [TS]

00:06:11   but they're gonna be the people you know [TS]

00:06:13   are this actual staff and they're gonna [TS]

00:06:14   be working they're gonna be reporting on [TS]

00:06:17   the show I got it I gotta be honest I [TS]

00:06:19   don't know I don't know the senior you [TS]

00:06:20   know the bigwigs up at ours but the I [TS]

00:06:23   only know about ours because of your [TS]

00:06:25   reviews in it I'm not saying that they [TS]

00:06:27   don't have any other value there they [TS]

00:06:28   sure do but I got I became like an [TS]

00:06:31   honors fan because of your 50 to 60 page [TS]

00:06:33   you know Mac OS 10 reviews that were in [TS]

00:06:36   there [TS]

00:06:37   yeah but they I mean I write so [TS]

00:06:39   infrequently these days and it does it's [TS]

00:06:42   true that a lot of people came to ours [TS]

00:06:44   because of me but they're not staying [TS]

00:06:45   because of me I write like two things a [TS]

00:06:46   year for them and the last thing the the [TS]

00:06:49   lineage torvalds of Ars Technica if you [TS]

00:06:53   want to say that I don't I'm I think [TS]

00:06:55   it's fair at any rate they are sending [TS]

00:06:57   people who will be working the show and [TS]

00:06:59   doing reporting and I will not be doing [TS]

00:07:01   that and even if they had I mean I [TS]

00:07:04   probably if they had offered to pay for [TS]

00:07:06   like my plane ticket or something like [TS]

00:07:07   that or that the just the WotC ticket or [TS]

00:07:10   something in exchange for me doing some [TS]

00:07:14   amount of work when I was there I would [TS]

00:07:16   have had to think about it because I [TS]

00:07:17   really want to go there and not have to [TS]

00:07:19   think about anything except for enjoying [TS]

00:07:21   the show going to the sessions and doing [TS]

00:07:24   stuff for my review yeah they all say [TS]

00:07:30   what I feel you can't say which is shame [TS]

00:07:33   on them I would not say shame one of [TS]

00:07:37   course you would not I'll be glad to see [TS]

00:07:39   the people who are going out there for [TS]

00:07:41   ours and I think we only go in there [TS]

00:07:42   like three days and I don't think [TS]

00:07:43   they're staying for that I don't think [TS]

00:07:44   they even got tickets to the actual [TS]

00:07:46   conference something good is going as [TS]

00:07:47   press to the keynote those people will [TS]

00:07:50   be working much harder than I am for [TS]

00:07:51   those three days I'll just be smiling [TS]

00:07:54   and enjoying and they will be you know [TS]

00:07:55   typing furiously and filing reports and [TS]

00:07:57   stuff like that's all I'm glad that they [TS]

00:07:59   have the real professionals doing it and [TS]

00:08:00   not me [TS]

00:08:00   ok nice disclaimer we have some a few [TS]

00:08:05   follow-up how do you know you don't know [TS]

00:08:08   what we have I'm just predicting you're [TS]

00:08:10   right I don't know but I predict it you [TS]

00:08:12   predict correctly amazing ah yeah so a [TS]

00:08:16   little bit of follow-up Twitter we [TS]

00:08:20   talked a little bit about a couple shows [TS]

00:08:21   ago and then the last show we talked [TS]

00:08:24   about Twitter annotations which were [TS]

00:08:26   this way you can attach arbitrary extra [TS]

00:08:29   data to tweets out-of-band well [TS]

00:08:32   apparently I didn't read the page [TS]

00:08:34   closely enough I looked at it and I saw [TS]

00:08:36   the date and it was like from May 2010 [TS]

00:08:38   and I didn't scrutinize it to see that [TS]

00:08:41   they announced it in May 2010 but they [TS]

00:08:43   didn't actually release it so someone [TS]

00:08:45   wrote in to tell me that yeah that was a [TS]

00:08:47   great presentation way back then but [TS]

00:08:48   it's still not something that people can [TS]

00:08:49   use but then the very [TS]

00:08:50   same day I think this was a d9 or maybe [TS]

00:08:52   it was someplace else Twitter actually [TS]

00:08:55   did announce thing called tweet entities [TS]

00:08:56   or Twitter entities which seemed like a [TS]

00:08:59   reincarnation of this annotations thing [TS]

00:09:01   it's just basically another way to [TS]

00:09:03   attach things out-of-band to tweets and [TS]

00:09:07   if you're using the REST API you have to [TS]

00:09:08   ask for it explicitly blessing include [TS]

00:09:10   entities and it will spit you back the [TS]

00:09:12   associated entities but they're [TS]

00:09:14   automatically include with the streaming [TS]

00:09:15   API it's not clear from the very short [TS]

00:09:19   page that I've got linked in the show [TS]

00:09:20   notes about this tweet entities thing [TS]

00:09:22   whether it's something that that [TS]

00:09:25   everybody can use when they send a tweet [TS]

00:09:26   or is it just something that Twitter [TS]

00:09:28   sends back reading the page makes it [TS]

00:09:30   sound like Twitter saying hey don't try [TS]

00:09:32   parsing the URLs out of these tweets [TS]

00:09:33   we'll send you back these entities which [TS]

00:09:35   have the information it's already parsed [TS]

00:09:37   out of it but does that mean the person [TS]

00:09:39   who sent the tweet sent the entities [TS]

00:09:41   with it or does Twitter too server-side [TS]

00:09:43   parsing out the stuff using their own [TS]

00:09:44   you know URL parsing stuff or maybe it [TS]

00:09:47   only works with official try don't I [TS]

00:09:48   don't know the entire deal is but anyway [TS]

00:09:49   it's clear that there's some forward [TS]

00:09:50   motion in the realm of out-of-band data [TS]

00:09:54   on Twitter it's all still kind of tied [TS]

00:09:57   up within the the notion of does Twitter [TS]

00:10:01   control the platform to the degree where [TS]

00:10:04   like it are is it only going to be [TS]

00:10:06   something that Twitter's official [TS]

00:10:07   clients can use and third-party clients [TS]

00:10:09   are out of luck because Twitter doesn't [TS]

00:10:10   really care about them anymore you know [TS]

00:10:12   every time it order make some API [TS]

00:10:14   announcement now I start thinking well [TS]

00:10:16   is this an API thing that is only useful [TS]

00:10:19   to Twitter's official clients or are you [TS]

00:10:22   actually trying to encourage more [TS]

00:10:23   third-party clients you know it's weird [TS]

00:10:25   for a company that's been so quickly [TS]

00:10:27   trying to pull all the clients into [TS]

00:10:29   itself and to take control that to also [TS]

00:10:32   be making API announcements because API [TS]

00:10:34   strikes me is something that's for third [TS]

00:10:36   party developers you know so I'm not [TS]

00:10:39   sure what's going on there and then [TS]

00:10:41   related to that that came up just a [TS]

00:10:44   little bit before we started recording [TS]

00:10:46   was this tweet Mark Steyn did you see [TS]

00:10:48   that go by I did and I was just looking [TS]

00:10:50   at that but you know I haven't had a [TS]

00:10:53   much time to delve into it what's the [TS]

00:10:55   story on that yeah this is a mountain [TS]

00:10:58   Reese who does tweet library yeah which [TS]

00:11:00   is an iOS application for archive [TS]

00:11:03   tweets while he's also come out with a [TS]

00:11:05   thing called tweet marks which is a [TS]

00:11:07   service for keeping the year last read [TS]

00:11:11   status in sync between different clients [TS]

00:11:14   so it's like a web service where other [TS]

00:11:16   I'm assuming other Twitter clients would [TS]

00:11:18   use it and they would basically use this [TS]

00:11:20   as a big bucket to store how far along [TS]

00:11:22   the time line they are so if you had [TS]

00:11:23   three clients that I'll use tweet marks [TS]

00:11:24   anytime you pulled up a client it would [TS]

00:11:26   be synced to whatever you last read [TS]

00:11:27   whatever your last read tweet was across [TS]

00:11:30   any of the clients where you read it now [TS]

00:11:32   it boggles my mind that this service is [TS]

00:11:33   not part of Twitter you know as this [TS]

00:11:35   seems like something like what the hell [TS]

00:11:36   is what are doing if it's not providing [TS]

00:11:37   this service they they provide an API to [TS]

00:11:40   get tweets they know people have clients [TS]

00:11:42   to read them they don't think the people [TS]

00:11:43   are going to keep their clients in sync [TS]

00:11:45   maybe they just think it's like well you [TS]

00:11:46   know they can everyone has to run their [TS]

00:11:48   own server to keep track of how far [TS]

00:11:49   they're along they're on the timeline [TS]

00:11:50   well this is least trying to centralize [TS]

00:11:53   it a little bit where every single [TS]

00:11:55   Twitter client doesn't have to do its [TS]

00:11:57   own service they could all use this [TS]

00:11:58   tweet marks thing yeah yeah but it does [TS]

00:12:01   okay well I was just going to say the [TS]

00:12:02   problem with services like this which [TS]

00:12:05   are really smart I mean this is a really [TS]

00:12:07   great idea this is something that's so [TS]

00:12:10   definitively great is that at the same [TS]

00:12:13   time that is great it seems like that [TS]

00:12:15   there would be I would think that people [TS]

00:12:18   would hesitate as a developer as an app [TS]

00:12:22   developer type person they would [TS]

00:12:25   hesitate to use it simply because they [TS]

00:12:27   know that as soon as they implemented [TS]

00:12:29   Twitter could change it or come out with [TS]

00:12:31   their own version of the service or [TS]

00:12:32   what's you know is it something you want [TS]

00:12:35   to use in the mean time and hope that [TS]

00:12:37   that the Twitter doesn't wind up just [TS]

00:12:40   doing it or changing the architecture in [TS]

00:12:43   some way well it has the advantage of [TS]

00:12:46   coming from a third party so I mean [TS]

00:12:48   unless you think mantains gonna screw [TS]

00:12:50   you which I don't think he's gon do you [TS]

00:12:51   know like Twitter can't outlaw this [TS]

00:12:54   because as far as Twitter is concerned [TS]

00:12:55   this is a completely separate service [TS]

00:12:57   it's just like storing and retrieving a [TS]

00:12:58   number for you there's nothing really [TS]

00:13:00   Twitter related to it they can't they [TS]

00:13:02   can't illegally or technologically stop [TS]

00:13:04   it from working and as long as you trust [TS]

00:13:06   me and matthan to keep the servers up [TS]

00:13:07   and running you know then you're fine [TS]

00:13:10   with it no matter what Twitter does even [TS]

00:13:12   a Twitter introduces the exact same [TS]

00:13:13   service well then you have you have [TS]

00:13:14   ample time to migrate off of tweet marks [TS]

00:13:16   on to whatever [TS]

00:13:17   Twitter provides it's a great idea it's [TS]

00:13:19   a great and it is it's like it's one of [TS]

00:13:21   those perfect services that you know you [TS]

00:13:23   wonder why why wouldn't Witter be doing [TS]

00:13:25   this and now you don't you have to worry [TS]

00:13:27   about it yeah but from a man's [TS]

00:13:28   perspective I would be afraid that like [TS]

00:13:30   you do all this work on this service and [TS]

00:13:32   you get some people using it and then [TS]

00:13:33   you know Twitter just comes out and says [TS]

00:13:35   well we did that for you you can get our [TS]

00:13:37   service instead and then you kind of do [TS]

00:13:38   feel like you're wasted your time and [TS]

00:13:39   maybe he just needs to for his own [TS]

00:13:40   applications and out of the goodness of [TS]

00:13:41   his heart he's opening it up yeah so I [TS]

00:13:45   don't know I just just just I just [TS]

00:13:47   learned of this like you know an hour [TS]

00:13:48   ago so I really don't know much about it [TS]

00:13:50   he's right here in Austin - that guy man [TS]

00:13:52   you should get him on the show I know [TS]

00:13:54   him pretty well get him live in the [TS]

00:13:56   studio uh yeah I I debate about it [TS]

00:13:58   because a few years ago he said that he [TS]

00:14:00   would send me a firewire cable and he [TS]

00:14:03   never did he never made good on it and [TS]

00:14:05   he promised he would do it and now [TS]

00:14:07   sorry's on your enemies list now well I [TS]

00:14:09   mean there's different I don't really [TS]

00:14:11   feel like I have any enemies or anything [TS]

00:14:13   but he's certainly not on he doesn't [TS]

00:14:16   have a star next to his name and put [TS]

00:14:17   that way all right you do though you [TS]

00:14:19   have a big stevarino star new gold star [TS]

00:14:23   you know speaking of tweet library man's [TS]

00:14:25   other thing that's that's another [TS]

00:14:26   service that you feel like Twitter [TS]

00:14:28   should provide like why would I need an [TS]

00:14:29   application to keep archived versions [TS]

00:14:31   right eats well it's because Twitter [TS]

00:14:32   lets the tweets fall off the end of the [TS]

00:14:34   universe after like a couple of days and [TS]

00:14:36   this this came up on Twitter today when [TS]

00:14:39   the Twitter CEO was his name [TS]

00:14:41   and Willie and not Abe Williams and I [TS]

00:14:43   mean it was it was a Dorsey who was [TS]

00:14:45   talking Jack Dorsey some someone from [TS]

00:14:48   Twitter some bigwig from Ford was [TS]

00:14:49   talking and I believe also at d9 and I [TS]

00:14:51   was reading people's tweets from his [TS]

00:14:53   presentation and I think was Joshua [TS]

00:14:55   Topolsky if I'm saying his name right [TS]

00:14:57   yeah brought up the fact that Twitter [TS]

00:15:00   search doesn't go back past five days or [TS]

00:15:02   so and therefore it's almost useless and [TS]

00:15:04   why where are old tweets basically was [TS]

00:15:06   was his his question and I've had the [TS]

00:15:09   same thoughts they like you know you you [TS]

00:15:11   do all this you spend all this time [TS]

00:15:12   tweeting and then you can't get to your [TS]

00:15:13   old tweets unless you remember the exact [TS]

00:15:15   URL or you know you use Google or some [TS]

00:15:18   other thing to find them I mean such a [TS]

00:15:20   way that they don't exist though it's [TS]

00:15:22   it's not actually correct to say that [TS]

00:15:25   they're not actually accessible though [TS]

00:15:28   is because they do exist [TS]

00:15:30   like an example of this is if you favor [TS]

00:15:33   to tweet you can go and you'll always [TS]

00:15:36   see that in your favorites up to a point [TS]

00:15:38   right or does it go away did those go [TS]

00:15:40   away now - I think that if you had if [TS]

00:15:43   you knew like the whatever that each [TS]

00:15:44   tweet has an ID if you knew the big long [TS]

00:15:46   ID of a tweet that you made in 2007 and [TS]

00:15:48   2008 I think you could salt the page and [TS]

00:15:51   get it but the thing is if you don't [TS]

00:15:53   remember the exact ID because with AK [TS]

00:15:55   memorizes their tweet IDs if some tweet [TS]

00:15:57   you made last year you're like what was [TS]

00:15:59   that tweet that I made about you know [TS]

00:16:00   car distributor caps and you know you [TS]

00:16:03   mentioned distributor cap in there it's [TS]

00:16:04   probably unlikely to be you know see you [TS]

00:16:06   go to Twitter search you do from [TS]

00:16:07   Syracuse a register beuter cap and if [TS]

00:16:10   you'll find no match it's because that [TS]

00:16:11   search only goes back like five or ten [TS]

00:16:13   days it's just useless and so it's left [TS]

00:16:15   to everybody else to sort of archive [TS]

00:16:17   their own tweets so that's why this [TS]

00:16:18   tweet library app exists because he was [TS]

00:16:21   sick of that obviously he was sick of [TS]

00:16:22   not being able to keep track of his [TS]

00:16:24   tweets he didn't want a favorite every [TS]

00:16:25   single tweet that he wanted to otherwise [TS]

00:16:26   your favoriting every other thing you [TS]

00:16:28   know sometimes you just want to be able [TS]

00:16:29   to to find it later I have the exact [TS]

00:16:31   experience earlier this week where [TS]

00:16:32   somebody mentioned to tip about how to [TS]

00:16:35   get your iOS device syncing with your [TS]

00:16:38   portable like if you're going to WABC [TS]

00:16:40   for example and you write you're going [TS]

00:16:41   to bring your ipod but you're going to [TS]

00:16:42   bring your laptop but normally you sync [TS]

00:16:43   with your Mac Pro which is my case here [TS]

00:16:45   he said oh someone said you can just [TS]

00:16:47   copy this file over to the new computer [TS]

00:16:50   and then your iOS device will sync with [TS]

00:16:51   is if it has always been singing with it [TS]

00:16:53   and I remember seeing that tweak go by [TS]

00:16:55   and going I should like star that or [TS]

00:16:58   paste it into your Jimbo or do something [TS]

00:16:59   with it so I remembered I'm like I'm [TS]

00:17:01   sure I'll be able to look it up when I [TS]

00:17:02   so when the time came I could remember [TS]

00:17:04   who was from and I couldn't remember [TS]

00:17:06   what day it was on and like I'll go I [TS]

00:17:08   had to go backwards through my timeline [TS]

00:17:09   you know on that page where you scroll [TS]

00:17:11   down with the infinite scroll on the [TS]

00:17:12   Twitter website and it loads more tweets [TS]

00:17:14   and they scroll down that loads more [TS]

00:17:15   tweets interestingly on Safari by the [TS]

00:17:17   way if you do a search term like you [TS]

00:17:19   know command F and you type a search [TS]

00:17:21   term and this is okay not found if you [TS]

00:17:23   scroll to the bottom of the page and it [TS]

00:17:25   does the infinite scroll thing and it [TS]

00:17:26   loads more tweets and you try to [TS]

00:17:28   reinvent it will not find that word even [TS]

00:17:31   if that word just appeared on the page [TS]

00:17:33   below it I'm assuming this is far e bug [TS]

00:17:34   where it doesn't notice that your dom [TS]

00:17:35   nodes have been added and it doesn't [TS]

00:17:37   search them so you have to stop cancel [TS]

00:17:39   the search just miss the little short [TS]

00:17:41   search sheet bring it back up type the [TS]

00:17:43   same word again and search [TS]

00:17:44   again that whole process is just [TS]

00:17:47   ridiculous to me [TS]

00:17:48   and of course I tried the Twitter search [TS]

00:17:50   looking for the keywords and either had [TS]

00:17:52   fallen off the end or I couldn't find it [TS]

00:17:54   as I couldn't remember who was from it's [TS]

00:17:55   just my best bet for a searching quarter [TS]

00:17:57   these days is to go to you know Google [TS]

00:17:59   on type site : twitter.com and then the [TS]

00:18:01   words I'm looking for and sometimes in [TS]

00:18:03   URL : the person's username that's like [TS]

00:18:05   your only hope but yeah so that this [TS]

00:18:09   tweet LibraryThing is another example of [TS]

00:18:10   a service that the Twitter should be [TS]

00:18:12   providing by all rights but is not and [TS]

00:18:15   it kind of reminds me of the things in [TS]

00:18:17   Mac OS 10 and even classic Mac OS that [TS]

00:18:20   you thought Apple should have been [TS]

00:18:22   providing but were provided for years [TS]

00:18:23   and years by third parties until Apple [TS]

00:18:25   finally woke up and folded them in like [TS]

00:18:27   going all the way back to like the clock [TS]

00:18:28   in the menu bar Apple didn't even [TS]

00:18:30   provide that that had to be a third [TS]

00:18:31   party app and they said all right fine [TS]

00:18:33   we'll put clocking in the new bars like [TS]

00:18:34   finally geez you know how many years did [TS]

00:18:35   that take or window shade for example I [TS]

00:18:37   which I believe me I don't know I don't [TS]

00:18:39   know who's going to correct me we don't [TS]

00:18:40   have a chat room here we're not live but [TS]

00:18:41   right I believe window shade was was a [TS]

00:18:44   third party first I don't know I'm [TS]

00:18:46   getting to window shade was a third [TS]

00:18:47   party tool absolutely and then well you [TS]

00:18:50   know what I think it may have been it [TS]

00:18:53   may have been a feature in OS light [TS]

00:18:55   eight and then it was gone and then then [TS]

00:18:59   it became a third party could that oh [TS]

00:19:01   yeah no it was a Mac OS 10 of course [TS]

00:19:03   there was never window shade and it had [TS]

00:19:04   to be third a loss without this chat [TS]

00:19:06   room yeah was it my insanity but I'm [TS]

00:19:07   talking about like before it appeared in [TS]

00:19:09   you know how like originally yeah I [TS]

00:19:12   don't remember but anyway they're been [TS]

00:19:13   all sorts of features that the were [TS]

00:19:15   third one of that right there is gonna [TS]

00:19:17   result in like 50 emails that's all [TS]

00:19:19   right [TS]

00:19:19   all right and actually I don't think [TS]

00:19:21   anyone is old enough to remember that [TS]

00:19:23   any better because anyone who was there [TS]

00:19:24   is going to be our age and not remember [TS]

00:19:26   it well and anyone else it you know [TS]

00:19:27   young people going to go to Wikipedia [TS]

00:19:28   and try to look it up feel free but [TS]

00:19:31   anyway there's another example of a [TS]

00:19:32   platform owner not implementing features [TS]

00:19:35   that everyone else thinks are obvious [TS]

00:19:36   and third parties I guess started [TS]

00:19:38   parties get the advantage of you know [TS]

00:19:40   filling that void for a period of time [TS]

00:19:42   like if you're looking to archive [TS]

00:19:43   tweet-tweet library is you know it's a [TS]

00:19:45   chance permanent to have a business off [TS]

00:19:48   of something that Twitter is not doing [TS]

00:19:49   but on the other hand you're just [TS]

00:19:50   waiting for that day where the platform [TS]

00:19:51   owner says yeah we're folding that in [TS]

00:19:53   now this sort of Damocles [TS]

00:19:55   so listen I I actually found window [TS]

00:19:57   shade Wikipedia entry it debuted in [TS]

00:20:00   system 7.5 but disappeared in Mac OS 8 [TS]

00:20:03   when the features implemented as part of [TS]

00:20:04   the appearance manager a widget was [TS]

00:20:07   added to the title bar to reproduce the [TS]

00:20:09   functionality the entire feature [TS]

00:20:11   disappeared at the release of Mac OS 10 [TS]

00:20:13   since windows could be minimized [TS]

00:20:15   to the dock or moved aside with expose [TS]

00:20:17   Apple decided there was no more use for [TS]

00:20:19   it however served several third-party [TS]

00:20:21   utilities such as window shade 10 for [TS]

00:20:24   unscented he's application enhancer [TS]

00:20:26   software have brought the concept window [TS]

00:20:29   shape back to the Mac OS it is since [TS]

00:20:31   reappeared as a commercial hack c and [TS]

00:20:33   offers other features like translucent [TS]

00:20:35   windows and minimize in place it stems [TS]

00:20:38   itself stems from a third party utility [TS]

00:20:41   originally written for system 6.0 point [TS]

00:20:44   7 by Rob Johnston there you go it's on [TS]

00:20:46   Apple purchased the rights to the [TS]

00:20:48   software from the developer for use in [TS]

00:20:50   system 7.5 that's what I think a needy [TS]

00:20:53   man just wants to get acquired by [TS]

00:20:55   Twitter that's his whole thing my old [TS]

00:20:57   man's memory is not entirely failing me [TS]

00:21:01   yeah I actually just got off window [TS]

00:21:04   shade took me a long time to get off [TS]

00:21:06   that many years into is what almost [TS]

00:21:09   eight nine ten years into me using Mac [TS]

00:21:11   OS 10 and I finally had finally forced [TS]

00:21:14   myself to give it up not because I [TS]

00:21:16   didn't like it anymore but just because [TS]

00:21:17   I it was the last thing on my system [TS]

00:21:19   that was running a you know in-memory [TS]

00:21:20   patcher thing well second to last I'm [TS]

00:21:24   still running saft and Safari because [TS]

00:21:26   they refused to restore the previously [TS]

00:21:29   open windows when I launched it you [TS]

00:21:30   could leave it with this Safari [TS]

00:21:31   extension now yeah I know I I just [TS]

00:21:34   prefer after a couple other reasons but [TS]

00:21:37   yeah the shaft uses symbol which is a [TS]

00:21:39   similar in memory patching thing but the [TS]

00:21:44   window shade was the last one that I was [TS]

00:21:45   using that was system-wide and I finally [TS]

00:21:46   figured well if I can wean myself off of [TS]

00:21:49   that then I could just remove that [TS]

00:21:50   entire framework and I did it and it [TS]

00:21:52   made me kind of sad I'm so glad those [TS]

00:21:55   guys made that though because I don't [TS]

00:21:56   know how I would have lived without it [TS]

00:21:58   for all those years even now [TS]

00:21:59   occasionally I click double click a [TS]

00:22:01   title bar and then quietly frown as the [TS]

00:22:04   window minimizes to the dock and our oh [TS]

00:22:06   yeah [TS]

00:22:08   it's not there anymore do you are you a [TS]

00:22:09   minimizer or you a hider I never [TS]

00:22:13   minimize when to almost never minimize [TS]

00:22:14   windows to the dock [TS]

00:22:16   I used to window shade windows a lot [TS]

00:22:17   sometimes just to peek behind them [TS]

00:22:19   sometimes just to get them mostly [TS]

00:22:21   invisible but still be able to find them [TS]

00:22:22   quickly but I since I don't have window [TS]

00:22:26   shade anymore yeah I will hide others or [TS]

00:22:29   option-click away from a nap I still use [TS]

00:22:30   classic window layering by the way I [TS]

00:22:32   don't think many people still do that or [TS]

00:22:34   even know what it is but that that's the [TS]

00:22:35   idea that when you click on any window [TS]

00:22:37   from an application all the windows of [TS]

00:22:39   that application come to the front [TS]

00:22:40   that's the way it used to work in [TS]

00:22:42   classic Mac OS and sort of my habits are [TS]

00:22:45   predicated on that ability I always have [TS]

00:22:48   like one window of an application poking [TS]

00:22:50   out from behind the clutter so I can [TS]

00:22:52   quickly get to you know for example my [TS]

00:22:54   terminal windows this is usually one [TS]

00:22:56   window that is skinny and to the far [TS]

00:22:58   right of the screen so I can just poke [TS]

00:22:59   it's a little edge and it will come and [TS]

00:23:01   it will bring not just that terminal [TS]

00:23:02   window forward but all of them forward [TS]

00:23:03   and I have a modifier clicking Mac os10 [TS]

00:23:06   lets me override that reverse D behavior [TS]

00:23:08   that's volta Mac OS 10 without any [TS]

00:23:10   extensions or anything is it when you [TS]

00:23:12   click on a single window just a single [TS]

00:23:13   window comes to the front and I can't [TS]

00:23:15   work like that [TS]

00:23:16   I suppose I could train myself to do it [TS]

00:23:18   but I would probably slowly go insane I [TS]

00:23:19   don't know you can click the dock the [TS]

00:23:21   icon to make all the windows the [TS]

00:23:22   application come to the forwards just [TS]

00:23:23   it's just a question of habits and [TS]

00:23:25   muscle memory and I'm not you know I [TS]

00:23:27   have workflows man and they've been [TS]

00:23:29   honed over what 20 years now it's really [TS]

00:23:31   hard to to break them is is this because [TS]

00:23:34   you is this because you like to because [TS]

00:23:41   you don't like to command tab my command [TS]

00:23:45   tab I can tab but mostly when I'm [TS]

00:23:46   bouncing back and forth between two [TS]

00:23:47   applications you know ABA be back and [TS]

00:23:50   forth like that and if both of those [TS]

00:23:52   applications dominate the screen mostly [TS]

00:23:54   or if I'm mostly on the keyboard between [TS]

00:23:56   the two applications I don't want to go [TS]

00:23:57   over to the mouse but I do work when I [TS]

00:24:00   arrange things on the screen I have I [TS]

00:24:03   have arrangements of windows like I have [TS]

00:24:04   a certain setup of how my terminal [TS]

00:24:06   windows go and then I have a certain [TS]

00:24:07   setup of how my text editor windows go [TS]

00:24:09   all the text editor windows I have the [TS]

00:24:10   least control over because once you get [TS]

00:24:12   like 100 of those open which is not [TS]

00:24:14   unheard of for me you arrange them and [TS]

00:24:16   goes out the window and you're basically [TS]

00:24:17   pulling from window list which isn't [TS]

00:24:19   that bad but for the most applications [TS]

00:24:21   like my [TS]

00:24:22   I am application my terminal windows IRC [TS]

00:24:25   windows and web browsers they are [TS]

00:24:27   positioned on screen in their own little [TS]

00:24:28   regions and have their own little growth [TS]

00:24:30   patterns that I can form to so I can [TS]

00:24:33   find quickly the application I want and [TS]

00:24:36   hit really big targets to bring into the [TS]

00:24:37   front without having to go down to the [TS]

00:24:39   dock and hit the little icon or pick it [TS]

00:24:40   out of the 18 other blue circles that [TS]

00:24:42   are down there or I have used drag think [TS]

00:24:44   2 or even just go over the drag thing [TS]

00:24:46   dock and pick it out it's much faster [TS]

00:24:48   for you know almost unconscious for me [TS]

00:24:50   to just you know a push to the right [TS]

00:24:52   middle and clicked on the corner of that [TS]

00:24:54   terminal and oh that's pushing out the [TS]

00:24:55   side to bring all my terminals forward [TS]

00:24:56   and then quickly know where the you know [TS]

00:24:57   this machine's terminal window is here [TS]

00:24:59   and this machine terminal window is [TS]

00:25:00   below it like it is it depends on like [TS]

00:25:02   where I'm working what the machines are [TS]

00:25:04   that I frequently have you know but I [TS]

00:25:05   eventually get homes for things and I [TS]

00:25:07   save those window sets in terminal so [TS]

00:25:09   for example at work when I launch the [TS]

00:25:11   terminal [TS]

00:25:11   I had a keystroke that brings up my [TS]

00:25:13   default set of windows and I know just [TS]

00:25:15   by looking at the the size and position [TS]

00:25:17   of the window that's this host that's [TS]

00:25:18   that host that's the logs of this host [TS]

00:25:19   that's my root window and this machine [TS]

00:25:21   that's you know and it makes it so much [TS]

00:25:23   easier and never have to read the title [TS]

00:25:24   bars in fact all my title bars used to [TS]

00:25:26   just say terminal because I would not [TS]

00:25:28   rely on them to tell me where the [TS]

00:25:30   windows were are rely on you know the [TS]

00:25:31   position shape of the window and then [TS]

00:25:33   once I go into ad I would look at my [TS]

00:25:34   prompt to confirm that I'm not [TS]

00:25:35   accidentally typing the wrong place oh [TS]

00:25:38   yeah know how we got onto that from well [TS]

00:25:41   from one's a great it's a great topic [TS]

00:25:44   yeah so and and the final final bit of [TS]

00:25:47   this is not really I guess this doesn't [TS]

00:25:49   count as fault but we'll cut the [TS]

00:25:50   follow-up here and say that's the end of [TS]

00:25:52   the follow-up and okay as for topics for [TS]

00:25:55   the show I've been spending all my time [TS]

00:25:57   worrying about getting ready for WotC so [TS]

00:25:59   this is the title of the show will be I [TS]

00:26:01   got nothing because I have no prepared [TS]

00:26:03   topic for the show whatsoever but that [TS]

00:26:05   doesn't mean there's that doesn't mean [TS]

00:26:06   there's not things to talk about and I [TS]

00:26:07   have some suggestions but I'm sure you [TS]

00:26:09   have some discussions too so why I'd [TS]

00:26:11   like let's start with you I mean really [TS]

00:26:12   I see this is very much a show driven by [TS]

00:26:15   your creative intellect so I'd like to [TS]

00:26:17   first hear your suggestions and and then [TS]

00:26:21   I have some as a fallback if those [TS]

00:26:23   should be subpar alright so just before [TS]

00:26:28   we came on the air like literally just [TS]

00:26:29   before I saw this announcement on daring [TS]

00:26:31   fireball that brent simmons has sold net [TS]

00:26:34   newswire [TS]

00:26:34   yeah and that seems like a story to me [TS]

00:26:39   worth talking about the only other thing [TS]

00:26:42   I think to think about was you know [TS]

00:26:44   obviously assuming record next week will [TS]

00:26:46   be will be recording talking about what [TS]

00:26:50   happened to every DC because that'll [TS]

00:26:52   kind of be dominating the news I'm sure [TS]

00:26:53   and even though you will talk about [TS]

00:26:54   exactly the same things with Gruber and [TS]

00:26:56   Marco it doesn't matter I think I'm [TS]

00:26:58   going to talk about them too because I [TS]

00:26:59   feel like I feel like we should [TS]

00:27:01   definitely do that I feel like maybe if [TS]

00:27:04   this is the unfortunate thing about the [TS]

00:27:06   timing of my move and and the slow [TS]

00:27:09   processes of us finding a new place to [TS]

00:27:12   be because if I had my full set up I [TS]

00:27:15   would say well why don't we do and I'm [TS]

00:27:16   just going to tell everyone that this [TS]

00:27:18   would have been possible because there's [TS]

00:27:20   no way it's simply impossible now so [TS]

00:27:22   I'll just tell everyone how great it [TS]

00:27:24   would have been it would have been to [TS]

00:27:26   get everybody together you know you [TS]

00:27:28   Marco and Gruber and maybe even a fourth [TS]

00:27:31   person to all uh be on the show and it [TS]

00:27:37   would be a special show we just have [TS]

00:27:38   some kind of special show and all just [TS]

00:27:40   everybody contributing talk and argue [TS]

00:27:42   and reminisce about the wonderful time [TS]

00:27:45   we can't do it yeah there'll be time for [TS]

00:27:48   that in the future and I'm sure that [TS]

00:27:50   will happen in real life [TS]

00:27:51   without you yeah that'd be great nope [TS]

00:27:54   Ellen recording at hopefully yeah nobody [TS]

00:27:56   recording you guys all sitting together [TS]

00:27:58   at you know it's some smoky bar in that [TS]

00:28:04   smoke the bowels of San Francisco yeah [TS]

00:28:08   but uh but for this week you I think you [TS]

00:28:13   talked about what could be happening WTC [TS]

00:28:15   but I think that's so worth talking [TS]

00:28:17   about [TS]

00:28:17   so I was like those are my two things [TS]

00:28:19   that what might happen at WotC and that [TS]

00:28:22   news bar being sold and you can what are [TS]

00:28:24   your suggestions [TS]

00:28:25   well actually I I had seen this this [TS]

00:28:28   announcement interview rather here that [TS]

00:28:33   I haven't had a chance to read it [TS]

00:28:35   because it's it's quite long and who [TS]

00:28:38   knew that people still did interviews in [TS]

00:28:41   text form like this I it's 2011 and yet [TS]

00:28:45   there are still text interviews it's [TS]

00:28:48   trans [TS]

00:28:48   some people who type things in and this [TS]

00:28:50   is you know in in the way that I [TS]

00:28:52   frequently joke that your stuff is long [TS]

00:28:54   and very very verbose John Gruber [TS]

00:28:57   occasionally will do quite the same [TS]

00:28:59   thing 5,000 words for a first single [TS]

00:29:02   topic was my joke I used to have for him [TS]

00:29:05   but this is this is like the most [TS]

00:29:06   in-depth interview about this and it's a [TS]

00:29:09   big deal it's a big deal in the Mac [TS]

00:29:10   community the long shortened the tall of [TS]

00:29:12   it is net newswire as you mentioned it's [TS]

00:29:15   it's been acquired in in its entirety [TS]

00:29:20   from black by black pixel which is run [TS]

00:29:23   by Daniel Pascoe friend of mine and it's [TS]

00:29:27   probably safe to say I guess I can I say [TS]

00:29:28   this the black pixel are the guys I'm [TS]

00:29:31   working with to develop the 5x5 app they [TS]

00:29:34   already said that themselves in the [TS]

00:29:35   interview if you're on that yeah I [TS]

00:29:37   haven't gotten more than about a third [TS]

00:29:39   in before we had to start the show [TS]

00:29:40   so it I guess I can say it but yeah it's [TS]

00:29:43   so they're they're great guys I've met [TS]

00:29:45   Daniel back at a railsconf a couple [TS]

00:29:49   years ago when I was speaking he came up [TS]

00:29:51   to me at the end I'd never met him in [TS]

00:29:52   person he's a great guy and they're [TS]

00:29:54   based out of Seattle and I believe that [TS]

00:29:57   Brent Simmons is also based out of [TS]

00:29:59   Seattle as well so it makes sense to me [TS]

00:30:02   but it's interesting because this Abnett [TS]

00:30:06   newswire for me was the very very first [TS]

00:30:09   RSS news reader that I ever used and I [TS]

00:30:13   know it'll be in good hands with these [TS]

00:30:15   guys but it's interesting because that's [TS]

00:30:17   always the fear when something gets [TS]

00:30:19   acquired that they're going to shut it [TS]

00:30:20   down and it it sounds like there's a [TS]

00:30:22   that's not the plan it sounds like this [TS]

00:30:24   is very much a living breathing app and [TS]

00:30:26   will continue to be so yeah they're not [TS]

00:30:29   going to shut it down I can assure you [TS]

00:30:30   of that [TS]

00:30:31   yeah having only read half of the [TS]

00:30:32   interview you know about this net net [TS]

00:30:36   news of our acquisition I'm like I can [TS]

00:30:39   actually in as I usually do turn this [TS]

00:30:41   around and make it about me that the the [TS]

00:30:45   thing about net newswire I'm I'm a long [TS]

00:30:48   time net news of our user I've been [TS]

00:30:50   using it since not since version one but [TS]

00:30:52   buttons close to it and I very very [TS]

00:30:54   quickly a convert right to net newswire [TS]

00:30:56   like it changed the way I use my [TS]

00:30:58   computer it changed like the ratio of [TS]

00:31:00   which applications that I'm using [TS]

00:31:02   at certain points I was doing the [TS]

00:31:04   majority of my reading of webpages in [TS]

00:31:07   the browser that was embedded in the [TS]

00:31:09   news water that may still actually be [TS]

00:31:11   the case I'm not sure I just lived in [TS]

00:31:14   the thing and I love the synchronization [TS]

00:31:16   between machines and I loves it you know [TS]

00:31:19   being able to queue up stuff in tabs I [TS]

00:31:22   they're not really tabs but you know you [TS]

00:31:23   could open a web page in the embedded [TS]

00:31:25   net newswire browser and when you went [TS]

00:31:28   onto another machine and opened that [TS]

00:31:29   news wire that opened web page would [TS]

00:31:31   still be in there in this little side [TS]

00:31:32   scrolling list of all the little things [TS]

00:31:34   you had open so before Instapaper [TS]

00:31:36   newswire was my read later button I [TS]

00:31:38   would just you know I would go through [TS]

00:31:40   my feeds using using keyboard shortcuts [TS]

00:31:41   which I always thought of as the tin /rn [TS]

00:31:44   keyboard shortcuts I don't know who [TS]

00:31:45   listening this remembers with ten nrn [TS]

00:31:47   were but they were terminal-based [TS]

00:31:50   cursive you know character based I don't [TS]

00:31:52   know how you would describe to laypeople [TS]

00:31:54   applications they use from within the [TS]

00:31:55   terminal window at a shell promptly use [TS]

00:31:57   the cursors library or whatever to [TS]

00:31:58   display text and they had kind of like [TS]

00:32:01   command keys that were like VI where [TS]

00:32:03   there was no modifier keystroke you [TS]

00:32:05   would just type you know K to mark [TS]

00:32:06   things as read not command K but just K [TS]

00:32:08   or spacebar to go to the next unread you [TS]

00:32:10   know and so on and so forth well then [TS]

00:32:13   whose wire whether intentionally or not [TS]

00:32:15   then we actually know if Brent was [TS]

00:32:16   basing his keyboard shortcuts often in [TS]

00:32:18   RM but it sure seems like he was because [TS]

00:32:19   there were a lot of the same shortcuts [TS]

00:32:21   so I had used you know tin is my main [TS]

00:32:23   using that news reader way back in the [TS]

00:32:25   day it was nice smooth transition into [TS]

00:32:27   this gorgeous GUI Mac OS 10 application [TS]

00:32:30   they used the exact same keystrokes and [TS]

00:32:33   the other one that I loved about about [TS]

00:32:34   this thing is that you could move the [TS]

00:32:35   selection in that newswire between the [TS]

00:32:38   panes using the arrow keys it just felt [TS]

00:32:39   so natural no modifier keys so I could [TS]

00:32:41   read the news you know read RSS feeds [TS]

00:32:44   look at the summaries and look at the [TS]

00:32:45   articles and queue them up for later [TS]

00:32:47   reading all from the keyboard all the [TS]

00:32:49   simple single keystrokes you know it was [TS]

00:32:51   just without having to touch the mouse [TS]

00:32:53   and with the great experience overall so [TS]

00:32:55   that totally changed the way I do things [TS]

00:32:56   and I still you know I mean if you look [TS]

00:32:58   at my doc right now in Andrews wire is [TS]

00:33:00   running it is running and every machine [TS]

00:33:01   that I use and I've just been using it [TS]

00:33:04   for years but the thing about it is that [TS]

00:33:07   well first of all I get frustrated when [TS]

00:33:09   an application that rely upon doesn't [TS]

00:33:11   get updated as frequently as I want [TS]

00:33:12   Brent talks about the struggles he's had [TS]

00:33:14   with [TS]

00:33:15   having you know too many irons in the [TS]

00:33:17   fire at the same time the iOS version [TS]

00:33:18   the iPad version revising the Mac [TS]

00:33:21   version it was just becoming too much to [TS]

00:33:23   do all that and in fact even before that [TS]

00:33:25   when brent was just trying to know what [TS]

00:33:27   newswire from mac himself just a support [TS]

00:33:28   load alone of having this tremendously [TS]

00:33:30   popular application was overwhelming him [TS]

00:33:32   and that's why he went over to news [TS]

00:33:34   Gator and got acquired by them and just [TS]

00:33:37   to get some help on the application [TS]

00:33:38   right and so there was you know that [TS]

00:33:40   helps get get a speed under a little bit [TS]

00:33:42   but then when the Iowas came out that [TS]

00:33:43   just you know spread him even thinner [TS]

00:33:45   now going around going back in time for [TS]

00:33:47   a second you're talking about that news [TS]

00:33:49   gator acquisition i interviewed him [TS]

00:33:53   about that years ago when it happened on [TS]

00:33:57   my one of my first podcasts which was [TS]

00:34:00   called the hive illogic radio show he [TS]

00:34:02   was nice enough to come on that and and [TS]

00:34:04   talk to me about it and it was really [TS]

00:34:06   interesting because at that time I mean [TS]

00:34:09   he that he there was really not much [TS]

00:34:11   competition in that space as far as RSS [TS]

00:34:14   news reading it wasn't built into Safari [TS]

00:34:16   right there weren't really many [TS]

00:34:17   competitors if you wanted an RSS reader [TS]

00:34:20   on the Mac that was it I think it still [TS]

00:34:23   is it I mean I know there are [TS]

00:34:24   alternative applications but like I [TS]

00:34:26   remember that error that they already [TS]

00:34:28   did that interview which I think [TS]

00:34:29   actually listened to net newswire was [TS]

00:34:32   the most popular news reader in the [TS]

00:34:33   world not the most popular news reader [TS]

00:34:35   on the Macintosh in the world and that [TS]

00:34:38   was at a time when when the world was [TS]

00:34:40   like 95 96 percent Windows computers [TS]

00:34:42   instead of whatever it is nine and he [TS]

00:34:44   you know it was just an unbelievably [TS]

00:34:46   successful application and I still think [TS]

00:34:48   it with all the Mac news readers that [TS]

00:34:49   are out there that news wire is at least [TS]

00:34:52   the best suited to my needs for news [TS]

00:34:53   reading and you know the fact that [TS]

00:34:55   Safari does RSS reading I don't think [TS]

00:34:58   that is a factor at all in the success [TS]

00:35:00   or failure in news wire but on the iOS I [TS]

00:35:04   would say that net newswire is Iowa's [TS]

00:35:06   versions are not the dominant news [TS]

00:35:08   reader to that platform there are a lot [TS]

00:35:09   of really good news readers for iOS and [TS]

00:35:13   the competition is much stiffer there [TS]

00:35:15   than it is in the Mac I don't know that [TS]

00:35:16   should because the popularity of iOS or [TS]

00:35:18   the gold rush was just you know that's [TS]

00:35:19   where the the great developers are these [TS]

00:35:21   days but of course Brent's there with [TS]

00:35:23   his versions as well but more recently [TS]

00:35:25   if you read about an interview that [TS]

00:35:27   brentd [TS]

00:35:28   pulled out the guts of all his [TS]

00:35:29   newsreaders or not pulled out the guts [TS]

00:35:31   left the guts alone and made a new core [TS]

00:35:33   code base for all of his news readers [TS]

00:35:35   and he released that news wire for light [TS]

00:35:37   I believe is the name of the product [TS]

00:35:39   which is the first product built on this [TS]

00:35:40   new unified code base for the underlying [TS]

00:35:42   stuff for you know getting feeds and [TS]

00:35:44   managing threads and processing XML and [TS]

00:35:46   all that stuff and then he was you know [TS]

00:35:49   an interview he talks about how he was [TS]

00:35:51   looking at how much work it would be [TS]

00:35:52   even though he's finally got this [TS]

00:35:53   unified code base how much work it would [TS]

00:35:54   be to rebuild his existing applications [TS]

00:35:57   on top of this new code base now the [TS]

00:35:59   thing about net newswire for light is [TS]

00:36:01   that it does much much less than the [TS]

00:36:03   current version of net newswire for the [TS]

00:36:05   Mac that I'm using which is three points [TS]

00:36:06   something-or-other [TS]

00:36:08   which is fine because it's got light in [TS]

00:36:09   the name right but the my big fear was [TS]

00:36:12   that the new version of net newswire for [TS]

00:36:14   the Mac based on this unified codebase [TS]

00:36:16   will also do much less than the current [TS]

00:36:19   version of the newswire simply because [TS]

00:36:20   Brent was always trying to trim features [TS]

00:36:22   that either don't get used anymore or [TS]

00:36:24   are too much of a pain to maintain you [TS]

00:36:26   know it's a cost benefit trade-off where [TS]

00:36:28   you want to get like the the features [TS]

00:36:29   that 80% of the people use you know 80% [TS]

00:36:32   of the time and then everything else [TS]

00:36:33   gets cut because you don't want to spend [TS]

00:36:35   time and energy maintaining a feature [TS]

00:36:36   that only some tiny fraction or [TS]

00:36:38   user-based used but if you're in that [TS]

00:36:40   tiny fraction of the user base which I [TS]

00:36:41   most decidedly am for a wide range of [TS]

00:36:44   applications including that newswire I [TS]

00:36:45   was afraid that the application that I [TS]

00:36:47   came to know was going to be not not [TS]

00:36:50   dumbed down because that makes it sound [TS]

00:36:51   like is something you know it's it's not [TS]

00:36:54   good to have it better to have more [TS]

00:36:56   features and it's not good to be [TS]

00:36:57   simplified it usually is better to be [TS]

00:36:59   simplified but I was afraid that it was [TS]

00:37:01   going to move farther away from my [TS]

00:37:04   specific tastes and needs as it moved [TS]

00:37:07   more towards the mainstream you know [TS]

00:37:08   what I mean and that's that's a [TS]

00:37:11   something that's happened a lot in iOS [TS]

00:37:13   where iOS encourages you to simplify [TS]

00:37:15   because if more people will be [TS]

00:37:17   successful with your application but [TS]

00:37:18   right as a your quote-unquote power user [TS]

00:37:20   from you know to use that term from the [TS]

00:37:22   80s and 90s I like the one that had all [TS]

00:37:24   the bells and whistles or more [TS]

00:37:25   specifically I want my specific bells [TS]

00:37:28   and whistles that I'm perfectly happy [TS]

00:37:29   for you to cut 90% of the features as [TS]

00:37:30   long as the 10% is remaining is the [TS]

00:37:32   exact 10% that I use and of course [TS]

00:37:33   that's never going to happen so this is [TS]

00:37:36   a specific case of a more general [TS]

00:37:37   phenomenon where if you use an [TS]

00:37:40   application for years [TS]

00:37:41   come to like take this perverse sort of [TS]

00:37:44   sense of ownership over the three [TS]

00:37:46   features in the application that you use [TS]

00:37:47   and if a developer is conscientious and [TS]

00:37:51   developing the application actively it's [TS]

00:37:54   it's incumbent upon them to probably at [TS]

00:37:57   some point cut your pet features simply [TS]

00:37:59   because applications evolve the user [TS]

00:38:01   base evolves and like what is accepted [TS]

00:38:03   as a level of complexity for an [TS]

00:38:06   application changes over time [TS]

00:38:08   so you may be married to a particular [TS]

00:38:10   esoteric feature and think this is the [TS]

00:38:12   whole reason I use this application how [TS]

00:38:13   can you remove it well if you're the [TS]

00:38:15   only one of you know 0.02 percent of the [TS]

00:38:17   people who use this app who rely on that [TS]

00:38:19   feature the developer should cut it and [TS]

00:38:21   you're just out of luck but it's sad for [TS]

00:38:24   me when that happens so I was really [TS]

00:38:25   afraid that my my net newswire my [TS]

00:38:27   application that I know and love would [TS]

00:38:30   change in ways that what I would find [TS]

00:38:32   upsetting and I'd be like Waldo had to [TS]

00:38:33   find another news reader that I like now [TS]

00:38:35   can I adapt to this new way using the [TS]

00:38:37   news bar it's just it's stressful and [TS]

00:38:39   upsetting mmm the best applications that [TS]

00:38:42   this is a difficult balancing act so the [TS]

00:38:44   best applications that do this like I [TS]

00:38:46   don't really know what the success [TS]

00:38:49   formula is but when I think about what [TS]

00:38:50   are applications that I've used for a [TS]

00:38:51   long time that have evolved in ways that [TS]

00:38:54   if I look at what the applications like [TS]

00:38:56   today and look at what it was like 10 [TS]

00:38:57   years ago [TS]

00:38:58   they're wildly different but in no point [TS]

00:39:00   during that period of time that I feel [TS]

00:39:01   like the rug was pulled out from under [TS]

00:39:02   me [TS]

00:39:03   that's a difficult thing to pull off a [TS]

00:39:04   few that I can think of our probably BB [TS]

00:39:07   edit because BB etic is just radically [TS]

00:39:10   change from what it was you know in like [TS]

00:39:11   1992 or whatever but at every point [TS]

00:39:14   along the way they've cut deprecated [TS]

00:39:17   features slowly giving you replacements [TS]

00:39:20   for features and just slowly like herded [TS]

00:39:21   the user base along even as they just [TS]

00:39:23   mercilessly removed code remove co2 move [TS]

00:39:25   code that change has actually been [TS]

00:39:26   accelerating lately and at some points [TS]

00:39:29   I've been a little bit uncomfortable but [TS]

00:39:30   for the most part they have managed that [TS]

00:39:33   transition with this long gradual slope [TS]

00:39:35   of of deprecation and replacement that I [TS]

00:39:38   think has been very successful and the [TS]

00:39:40   other one I would say this is kind of [TS]

00:39:42   bad for me to say because I'm not a not [TS]

00:39:44   an expert user of this application by a [TS]

00:39:46   longshot but I have been using it for [TS]

00:39:48   you know since version 1 point out is [TS]

00:39:50   Photoshop Photoshop has you [TS]

00:39:55   it's very different today than it was [TS]

00:39:56   and you know very I know whatever right [TS]

00:39:58   but with the exception of the [TS]

00:40:00   introduction of layers in 3.0 I think it [TS]

00:40:02   was there was every every time they make [TS]

00:40:04   a new version it's not a radical deep [TS]

00:40:06   over the Nexus like we're refining we're [TS]

00:40:07   adding tools we're kit were [TS]

00:40:09   consolidating we're refining refining [TS]

00:40:10   refining and when you have a [TS]

00:40:12   professional tool like that that's the [TS]

00:40:13   way you want to do it so that at no [TS]

00:40:15   point do graphic designers say load up a [TS]

00:40:17   new version of Photoshop and say I can't [TS]

00:40:18   find anything I have no idea how this [TS]

00:40:20   works now you know designers and anyone [TS]

00:40:23   whose uses a program every day for years [TS]

00:40:24   will get pissed when like they change [TS]

00:40:25   the keyboard shortcut for you know the [TS]

00:40:27   command H does something that it [TS]

00:40:28   shouldn't anymore like it'll little [TS]

00:40:30   things were perturbed them but for the [TS]

00:40:31   most part it's not like they had to [TS]

00:40:33   relearn a new application so that those [TS]

00:40:36   are two examples of applications I think [TS]

00:40:38   have evolved in a careful cautious [TS]

00:40:40   manner but that's not always easy to do [TS]

00:40:43   and in fact it's it's harder because [TS]

00:40:44   like every feature that you wish you [TS]

00:40:46   could get rid of you have to support for [TS]

00:40:48   longer than you think you should just so [TS]

00:40:49   you you bring everybody along with you [TS]

00:40:51   right and the final example give this is [TS]

00:40:54   a this will be a good test to see if you [TS]

00:40:57   can do it the other way successfully in [TS]

00:40:58   a big application is Final Cut Pro 10 [TS]

00:41:00   which does look like a pretty darn [TS]

00:41:02   radical reinvention of the way people [TS]

00:41:05   who use Final Cut do their work it's [TS]

00:41:06   it's akin to the kind of the the 2.5 to [TS]

00:41:08   3 point no conversion Photoshop where [TS]

00:41:10   they said you know channels are out and [TS]

00:41:12   layers are in and here's this new layer [TS]

00:41:13   palette and in both cases I think after [TS]

00:41:17   people get over the initial shock like [TS]

00:41:18   of layers they said well you know I'm [TS]

00:41:21   used to having 10 million little [TS]

00:41:22   Photoshop windows open and doing my [TS]

00:41:23   chops my channel operations but I tried [TS]

00:41:26   this layer thing for a week and you know [TS]

00:41:27   what it's better and you know period end [TS]

00:41:30   of story you know yes it was a big [TS]

00:41:31   radical change but layers are good I [TS]

00:41:33   think the the graphic design community [TS]

00:41:35   pretty much agreed Photoshop plus layers [TS]

00:41:36   equals good and got over their problem [TS]

00:41:39   now Final Cut Pro 10 is it good enough [TS]

00:41:41   is it better enough than the previous [TS]

00:41:43   version of Final Cut so that the the big [TS]

00:41:46   bump in the road for people smoothness [TS]

00:41:48   of using their you know final cut on [TS]

00:41:50   their color coded keyboards with the [TS]

00:41:51   keyboard commands exactly the same and [TS]

00:41:53   you know they know exactly how to use [TS]

00:41:54   Final Cut Pro the current version that [TS]

00:41:55   is ten comes along everything's moved in [TS]

00:41:57   different places and maybe they change [TS]

00:41:58   keyboard commands everything works [TS]

00:41:59   definitely the timeline is different [TS]

00:42:01   like is that going to be better enough [TS]

00:42:03   that people's cranking this over the [TS]

00:42:05   change in the UI [TS]

00:42:07   we'll be overcome I think it will be [TS]

00:42:09   view I think from the little demo and [TS]

00:42:11   again speaking as someone who does not [TS]

00:42:12   edit video for a living what the hell do [TS]

00:42:14   I know but from the demo that they gave [TS]

00:42:16   which was an amazingly good demo and [TS]

00:42:18   from the tiny bit of video editing that [TS]

00:42:20   I have done I can say that Final Cut Pro [TS]

00:42:22   10 looks like the advantages of working [TS]

00:42:25   in this new way will quickly overwhelm [TS]

00:42:28   the disadvantages modulo the stability [TS]

00:42:32   question reliability question so-and-so [TS]

00:42:34   is always in there like if if the [TS]

00:42:35   program crashes more if I can't read [TS]

00:42:37   your old files are all sorts of [TS]

00:42:38   practical concerns assuming they get all [TS]

00:42:39   the practical things right and the only [TS]

00:42:41   real problem is adapting to this new UI [TS]

00:42:42   and workflow I think it will work so [TS]

00:42:44   getting all way back to the newswire [TS]

00:42:46   finally my hope for the acquisition not [TS]

00:42:49   that anyone cares what the hell my help [TS]

00:42:50   is but my hope as much as that counts [TS]

00:42:53   for anybody involved in this is that [TS]

00:42:54   this means that net newswire the next [TS]

00:42:57   version of that newswire will still have [TS]

00:42:59   all the features that I like you know [TS]

00:43:01   will still will will nestled into my [TS]

00:43:03   workflow nicely maybe there'll be a few [TS]

00:43:04   things I want to adapt to but it will [TS]

00:43:05   still be like that power users tool you [TS]

00:43:08   know the way I use it or at least the [TS]

00:43:09   three features that I want to stay there [TS]

00:43:11   will still be there and and you know the [TS]

00:43:15   only other thing I would say is that I [TS]

00:43:16   think in acquisition if the people who [TS]

00:43:19   acquired have more time to work on it [TS]

00:43:20   that Brent did that can only be good [TS]

00:43:22   yeah that definitely would be a good [TS]

00:43:23   thing because that means that no matter [TS]

00:43:26   what their choices are [TS]

00:43:27   it means shorter time between versions [TS]

00:43:30   and if I don't like something I won't [TS]

00:43:32   have to wait three years to see if it [TS]

00:43:33   gets revised you know so I'm mostly [TS]

00:43:37   optimistic about the acquisition and I'm [TS]

00:43:39   very interested to know what Brent is [TS]

00:43:41   doing next which we ever do actually no [TS]

00:43:43   I actually do know did you probably know [TS]

00:43:46   about the dock addition to it didn't you [TS]

00:43:47   I knew a little bit about it I didn't [TS]

00:43:50   know as much as his apparently revealed [TS]

00:43:53   in the staring fireball write-up [TS]

00:43:55   interview the ten thousand page [TS]

00:43:57   interview but I did know some things but [TS]

00:44:00   I certainly do know what Brent is up to [TS]

00:44:03   next and I can tell you that I like it [TS]

00:44:05   but I can't speak about well I'm looking [TS]

00:44:08   forward to it because at anytime you [TS]

00:44:09   know there's a few in my pantheon of [TS]

00:44:12   developers is a few little places and [TS]

00:44:14   like you know the the Mount Olympus of [TS]

00:44:18   developers and up on there are basically [TS]

00:44:20   the developers [TS]

00:44:21   of applications that I've used like for [TS]

00:44:23   my entire life that I feel like are part [TS]

00:44:24   of my computing life right right right [TS]

00:44:26   and and the people up there like you [TS]

00:44:28   know Brent Simmons with a newswire rich [TS]

00:44:30   seagull with BBEdit [TS]

00:44:31   you know the Bruce horn with the finder [TS]

00:44:35   and who is it but Larry Steve Bruce and [TS]

00:44:37   John for the original finder Leo I are [TS]

00:44:41   you getting a Photoshop to John Knoll [TS]

00:44:43   who is who was the original Photoshop [TS]

00:44:44   guy I don't know you don't know awesome [TS]

00:44:46   anyway but yet brent is up there with [TS]

00:44:49   them and that's all text you can make [TS]

00:44:52   one application that I use for years and [TS]

00:44:54   years and years and can't live without [TS]

00:44:55   you get a spot on my personal mantle is [TS]

00:44:58   Olympus a software developer so whatever [TS]

00:44:59   he does next I look forward to it and [TS]

00:45:01   and even if it's not an application that [TS]

00:45:03   I use for years and years I wish them [TS]

00:45:05   the best of luck with it well that about [TS]

00:45:07   does it for this week's show you can [TS]

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00:45:47   possible and as always thanks so much [TS]

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00:45:50   y'all again next week [TS]

00:45:52   you [TS]