Hypercritical

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00:00:02 ◼   ► you are listening to hypercritical [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► weekly talkshow ruminating on exactly [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► what is wrong in the world of Apple and [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► related technologies and businesses [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► nothing is so perfect cannot be [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► complained about by my co-host John [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► siracusa i'm dan benjamin this is [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► episode number 28 we'd like to say a [TS]

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00:00:56 ◼   ► them out at - green tech calm so John [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► this is a big week do you know why this [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► is a big week why is this a big week and [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► this is a big week because this is the [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► week after your Lian review came out and [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► a week after we did the week after we [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► did the show alright [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► it is this exciting stuff [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► sure and I have some good news for you [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► in fact I think I think this is you've [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► set a record here whether you know it or [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► not a big record got set more downloads [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► in one week of our last show than any [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► show in the history of this network 5x5 [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► power of lion Dan over 1 million [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► downloads of your show did you see the [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► email that I sent you I did I saw it [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► congratulations are in order to you sir [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► congratulations to you biggest week ever [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► biggest week of your life I don't know [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► about that but yeah sure it's a big week [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► come on did you laugh was that human a [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► human emotion coming through yeah it's [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► exciting you've updated your program see [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► how much of it is sustained you know [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► this is kind of a lumpy type of [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► phenomenon where once every two years [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► big review comes out lots of activity in [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► traffic and then it settles down so [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► we'll see I don't know I think we [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► you may have just earned yourself a [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► handful of new listeners in the process [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► I hope so I hope so too [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► I think so I know so I always wonder [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► what my like my glass ceiling is on [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► readers or listeners because the things [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► I talk about and the way I talk about [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► them probably have a pretty narrow [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► appeal so C is a with you I've you said [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► like how many people in the entire world [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► who are not related to me would be [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► interested in listening to me talk about [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► this stuff apparently quite a few well [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► and what percentage of that that we [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► already have the same thing with Apple [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► like you always wondering uh what could [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► Mac marketshare possibly be like what is [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► the what is the ceiling on that could it [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► ever be 90 percent 50 25 what is the [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► point after which Apple's philosophy of [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► making not the cheapest possible [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► computer that you can make when does [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► that become a limiting factor for them [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► you know what I mean same thing with me [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► so I think there's plenty of room for [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► both the Mac and me to grow well I think [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► I certainly think so I don't I don't [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► think you're anywhere near your glass [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► ceiling I always think about the people [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► who subscribe to Gruber's podcast and [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► read his thing and follow him on Twitter [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► and I wonder what percentage like if [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► someone follows John Gruber on Twitter I [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► say why isn't that person following me [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► because we talk about the same type of [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► things but he talked about them on his [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► website and I talked about them on [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► Twitter if you follow him on Twitter [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► you're hearing about baseball and you [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► know all sorts of other topics and he [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► doesn't even tweet that much maybe [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► that's why he has so many followers but [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► if you read his website he talks about [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► Apple stuff all the time if you follow [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► me on Twitter I talk about Apple stuff [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► all the time so I wonder what percentage [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► of his followers like that's probably [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► like my glass ceiling I could never [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► possibly have more than he has but of [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► the people who follow him and listen to [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► him it seems like there should be some [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► significant overlap between those people [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► and the people will be interested in [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► what I had to say so I have a long way [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► to go I would I think that makes sense [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► but in a way I mean what you do and what [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► he does I see him is very very different [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► very different things I mean he his [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► whole like for him Twitter is [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► at best supplementary but for you that's [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► sort of the primary way that you [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► communicate yeah it's true I mean it's [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► like you're second at my second email I [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► think that's like a a demerit though [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► because people don't like it when you [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► fill their Twitter feed with stuff it's [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► much easier to follow somebody who [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► tweets every couple of days one thing [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► you know you don't have the urge to [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► unfollow that person if they're not [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► filling your stream with a bunch of crap [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► whereas if you follow me every day [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► that's going to be wanted your tweets [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► probably and if you don't like those [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► wanted your tweets you like why am i [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► following this guy am i interested in a [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► stuff and yon fall you're saying you're [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► saying with you you know what you're [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► getting yet you're going to get kind of [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► occasionally geeky Apple related crap [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► yeah but it's I think it's similar to [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► the stuff that the Gruber posts just [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► without the bases yeah at least in his [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► linked list he'll a lot of the stories [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► that he has on his side I will also [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► tweet about and vice versa you know the [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► technology stories of the day related to [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► Apple so it's just a different medium to [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► get that information when you at least [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► for this week regardless of what your [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► glass ceiling is this week you are [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► number one revel in it yeah all those [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► people who subscribe should also leave a [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► review because my review count is still [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► way lower than the talk show as well a [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► lot of catching up to do [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► I mean I'm starting to catch you in [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► terms of Twitter followers though but I [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► I noticed that you did have a nice boost [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► there recently but you're still growing [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► faster so I don't think I'll ever catch [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► you I think that's okay I know I'm [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► always surprised because it's based on [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► you know based on the sort of polls that [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► I've done there are quite a few people [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► who listen to the shows that just don't [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► use Twitter don't don't do much on [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► Twitter yeah that's weird you know is [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► weird shame on them so so hold on [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► siracusa on twitter that's you right yep [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► that's me and just to keep the count [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► going good I'm Tam Benjamin on Twitter [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► we don't want John to get too far and I [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► think we should be tied let's try and [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► get tied well say I am that's the thing [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► about catching [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► anybody on Twitter if you look at the [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► growth graphs you think gee you know I'm [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► growing I'm getting these good boost but [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► then you look at somebody else who has [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► maybe 10 times as many followers and [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► they're growing even faster than you are [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► so you'll never catch them so we're [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► gonna talk about line smart today I [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► think we have two and the first thing I [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► have some a few all right I don't often [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► get to do the a few but or at least I [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► don't get to contribute as much I'd like [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► to start off by saying you and I both [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► last week me more than you even [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► complained about this this window [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► animation thing where you you're you're [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► running line you open a new window for [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► an app whether that's you know command [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► and to open a new window or whatever it [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► is right you run that and the window [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► starts at that little center point you [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► get this this animation that shows it [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► sort of growing from the center point of [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► where the fully grown window will be [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► right and you and I both said this thing [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► is this is the worst because it it [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► actually makes things feel slower you're [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► waiting and watching for window to open [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► and even if it takes exactly the same [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► amount of time as you said same amount [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► of time to open a new window that it [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► would without the animation the [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► animation somehow works to make it feel [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► slower so we got we said please tell us [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► how to get rid of this this is terrible [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► get rid of this thing and who was it [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► that wrote in to us we got an email and [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► I think I didn't know that you had [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► already tweeted I would have just [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► retweeted you but I we both sort of [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► tweeted it and the guy didn't say who [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► his twitter name was but it was his name [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► Trevor or something no it was it was [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► actually in the chat room and it was [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► either during the show or just after the [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► show I just wasn't paying enough [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► attention to the chat room moves Tomas [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► from Zen I'm so I don't know if I'm [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► mangling his last name it's tio mas F at [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► Twitter and I didn't see his Twitter [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► name yet so he posted it in the chat [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► room right he emailed us through the [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► feedback form and I believe he also [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► tweeted it so he blanketed all media I [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► believe he was the first one to tell us [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► about this thing and he actually you [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► didn't actually look it up or find it on [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► some web so whatever he did the thing [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► that people do to find these things [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► which is you just put a little hook in [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► one of the methods that reads from [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► property lists and then you try Gus [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► trigger the animation and see which [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► property list property it reads pretty [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► cool [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► yeah I think the way to do it there's [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► lots of different ways to do it so [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► obviously he's a programmer knows how to [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► I think he called it's whistling the [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► method but as Linda method swizzle is [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► such an overloaded word in computer [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► science if you go look up like the [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► Wikipedia page or google it or double [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► you'll see that swizzle has meant so [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► many different things in so many [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► different contexts but but yeah the [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► bottom line is you put a little hook in [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► so you can see when a method runs what [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► it's actually doing and he fent he [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► actually found the thing and then [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► shortly after that I tweeted it and and [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► then once I found his Twitter name I [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► gave him credit [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► through through his uh by putting his ad [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► name in the next follow-up and then you [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► tweeted it and then we got more and more [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► emails and started appearing in articles [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► and even as of today even this morning [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► people were still eating me and saying [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► hey I found this thing so thanks to [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► everybody who is sending in this tip [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► because it is a good one I actually put [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► it in the show notes for the last show [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► because like I said I found it right [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► after the show ended and I figured if [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► people go look at the show notes it's [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► good for them to see it I linked to the [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► secrets application website you know [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► about secrets yeah secrets is a great [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► app for people who don't know about it [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► it's essentially it's an app but it [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► shows up as a preference pane right [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► system pref yep and it it's called [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► secrets because it has all of these [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► secret or in some cases secret or [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► undocumented or little-known settings so [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► that instead of having an open terminal [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► and type you know default and then some [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► long string of characters which might [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► frighten some some people this presents [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► all of these great little tweaks and app [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► changes and undocumented you know things [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► that aren't available from applications [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► own preference panes it allows you to [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► just go in there check some boxes and it [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► even restarts things for you it's very [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► handy little app is it in Secret Santas [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► this in secret yeah that's where I mean [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► it was put in sequence by somebody else [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► it was put in by jens Aten or something [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► like that he's I believe he's the guy [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► who talking moose he's another [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► well-known Matt talker moose yeah so so [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► you can contribute or maybe just the [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► stickies app I don't know but you can [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► contribute to this database this is the [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► key feature of secrets is it's not just [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► a preference pane that as a list of [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► stuff it reads from an online database [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► of Secrets that anyone can contribute to [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► so you download the secret application [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► once and you just hit the little update [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► secrets button and within it and it will [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► pull the latest set of secrets that [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► people have figured out from [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► this shared database it's much better [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► than remembering this side had this tip [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► and this side have that tip or googling [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► for what you think it is eventually all [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► these things find their way into secrets [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► and you can search in real-time and find [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► the things that have the keywords if you [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► just search for animation or something [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► you would find this one you can see and [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► it's not just for the system it's for [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► individual applications like they have [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► ones for members looking to list now [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► they have ones for the DVD player for [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► the fission app for acorn just [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► third-party apps Apple apps everything [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► so I highly so I highly recommend [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► secrets it's in the show notes or if [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► it's not I'll put it there it's a secret [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► stop black tree comm great a little [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► great little app yep it's a good tip [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► shame on them for not sponsoring oh wait [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► they can it's free so that's alright [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► great tip though and it's in there now [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► that's what you're saying so we've been [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► getting a lot of emails from people [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► still saying have you have you heard [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► this is how you do it so we appreciate [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► all of those is what you're also seeing [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► right we thank you for sale because we [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► asked to be told and you know they told [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► us at the magic of the podcast that [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► shows the power of hypercritical versus [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► the power of the article that millions [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► of people read and nobody knows about [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► the fact that I had said I really look [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► forward to knowing this usually when I [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► ask for something within a Mac os10 [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► review I got a flood of evil nobody sent [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► an email I was afraid that those citing [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► didn't even exist but then the show [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► mention it once immediately we get the [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► answer so maybe you should quit writing [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► and just do more shows yeah maybe so [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► we should also mention there were a [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► handful of people I I don't remember if [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► there's email more or Twitter but it in [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► in one or both of those places a number [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► of people said to me you know the the [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► typical dead volt devil's advocate which [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► is not only don't they make it seem [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► slower they are clarifying the meaning [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► of what's happening and we have tons and [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► tons of people on our network or in [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► where we work or whatever it is wherever [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► this person or people have you that this [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► actually clarifies what's going on that [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► there are so many people out there who [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► they click something and they don't they [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► don't know that a window is opening and [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► they sit there wondering for a long time [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► has a window opened is something [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► happening I don't know I saw some [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► windows person talking about that and [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► the windows person had a good point as [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► it relates to windows I don't use [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► windows much but I use it enough to [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► understand what this person was saying [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► it was the when you use Windows [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► especially older versions of Windows [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► Windows 7 is apparently better in this [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► regard and I never used SS I don't know [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► but like an XP and earlier versions if [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► you did something in Windows opened an [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► application either by double-clicking it [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► or by clicking a little the taskbar icon [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► in the taskbar the quick launch area or [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► anything like that you'd click it and [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► you'd be like nothing what happened on [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► the screen you would say well it did it [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► register that quick that I did I miss is [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► it is the application launching like [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► there's no bouncing dock icon there was [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► no little rubber band animation of the [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► application opening and you get in a [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► situation where people would doubt and [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► then click again and then you've ended [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► up with two instances of IE launching [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► instead of one because you weren't sure [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► if the first one registered or not [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► there's there was long delay between the [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► time you click in the time something [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► happens and during that time nothing [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► visual is happening on the screen now [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► the Mac has never suffered from that [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► problem because of course I'm Mac OS 10 [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► you had a little bouncing and that is [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► clear indicator that yeah yeah we got [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► your click we're trying to do what it is [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► the us but it's going to take a while [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► meanwhile watch this little thing bounce [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► so it's a clear indication that [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► something is happening and then the old [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► classic Mac OS when you double-click [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► from application there would be this [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► little rubber band animation which be [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► basically like an outline of a rectangle [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► that would start small at the origin of [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► your click and get bigger and bigger and [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► bigger to show you hey this thing that [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► you double clicked it's launching now [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► and in the very old days despite the [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► fact this rubber band animation was [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► there from day one you could also hear [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► the floppy disk grunt you know and or [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► the activity light blinking there was [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► always some sort of visual physical [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► indication that your thing started but [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► Windows kind of got into that [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► uncomfortable zone where the physical [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► manifestations of your action became [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► less obvious because hard drives got [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► tucked away inside the machines activity [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► lights weren't as obvious the computer [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► was behind the monitor or under the desk [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► or something floppy disks went away and [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► you couldn't really tell is something [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► happening out and that's one of the [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► things that people talked about the [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► other one was that specific animation [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► that we were complaining about in a [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► specific animation that I had a video up [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► in my review was an instance of a window [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► starting from a small dot in its final [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► position and zooming to its full size so [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► there was no indication of where this [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► window came from it's like this window [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► is going to appear at this position and [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► it will start its small deposition and [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► eventually get full size in that [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► position so the animation my argument [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► argument was there was not giving you [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► any additional information it wasn't [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► saying [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► from where did this window come from it [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► was just saying here's the window it's [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► going to appear here and have the window [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► appeared fully formed in that same [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► position it would have provided the same [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► information [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► one person argued that they liked the [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► animation because it draws your eye more [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► than if the window just appeared by [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► itself I would say that that's one of [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► the things against it because you do [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► want to know that a new window appeared [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► on the screen but this window is going [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► to appear in front of all other windows [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► anyway [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► and by by animating it draws your eye [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► too much I think the idea was that like [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► when you hit command end which is what I [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► was doing that video there's no origin [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► like it's not the window doesn't fly out [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► of your keyboard there's no way you can [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► animate from where you the command but [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► when you type command then the computer [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► has no idea where you're looking and [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► that was the person's argument was like [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► yeah it has no idea where you're looking [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► so it's trying to say hey this is where [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► the window is going to appear to [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► indicate to you where it's going to [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► appear well because it doesn't know [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► where I'm looking say I'm looking [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► elsewhere because I'm doing some other [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► tasks that's the beauty of keyboard [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► commands that you can fire off command [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► end from muscle memory while also [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► starting your next task which is looking [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► over to the side to drag an icon or [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► looking in another window or reading [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► something and as soon as that animation [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► appears your eyes are drawn towards [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► where the animation is you're losing the [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► advantage of being able to fire off [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► command end to make a new window while [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► you're in the middle well you're [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► immediately off doing some of the tasks [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► like you you initiate the macro in your [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► head which makes your fingers do command [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► then and as soon as you issue that [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► command it's like fire and forget you're [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► off to your next task but as soon as the [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► animation starts playing the primordial [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► lizard brain mammalian avoid the [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► saber-toothed tiger hunting you sorry [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► please don't write me in saber-toothed [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► Tigers did not live at the same time as [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► humans I'm sorry you know makes your eye [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► it makes your eye be drawn to this [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► animation the car like what animation it [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► more so than just the window appearing [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► so in addition to it feeling slow it's [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► it's pulling your eye away from what you [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► were trying to do now the same people [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► point out that if you go to the file [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► menu and select new the animation begins [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► at the file menu and I think that's [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► actually useful animation because who's [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► going to the file menu and selecting [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► file new novice users right and not as [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► users are the wanting to do the most [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► hand-holding to understand this command [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► that you initiated has produced this [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► window so that animation starts [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► from the menu that you just use and the [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► window you know the animation slides [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► over to where the window is finally [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► going to appear connecting your action [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► with the resulting window but advanced [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► users are the ones who are all going to [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► be hitting command in and they don't [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► need their I've drawn tour the new [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► window appears because they know new [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► window is going to appear it's good to [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► be on top of all other windows anyway [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► unless it's a microscopic window which I [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► Mac os10 really doesn't like you to make [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► small windows anyway it's going to be [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► obvious where it appears that animation [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► is the one that drives me nuts because I [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► make new documents all the time and be [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► the editor you know any other thing [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► constantly making new texts windows for [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► just scratch areas and discarding them [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► and making new ones so I'm very glad [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► that this animation could be turned off [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► some of the other animations like the [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► bounce animation where the dialog comes [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► up with it it animates from its small [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► size to a size slightly larger limits [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► final size and then shrinks back down [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► sorta like it's bouncing at you for [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► alerts and errors and stuff like that [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► since they're rare and you're and [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► they're not manually initiated they have [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► slightly more of a reason to draw your [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► attention especially for novice users [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► who might not even notice that a dialog [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► appeared for advanced users I still like [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► the ability to turn that off but it's [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► not the same thing as user initiated [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► action triggering an animation and makes [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► things feel slower so I will definitely [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► have this setting turned off yeah I [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► turned it off now do you think that the [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► inspiration for this came to kind of [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► create I mean you were I feel like you [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► were leading up to this to create parody [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► you know when you when you double-click [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► a file let's say you've got a text file [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► on your desktop and you double click it [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► there's sort of that animation of the [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► text file flying toward you you know [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► what I'm saying the icon getting a [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► little bigger yeah that's just indicate [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► that it registered your click it doesn't [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► it doesn't fly towards where the [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► document will appear no it just sort of [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► just jumps toward you yeah do you feel [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► that this is somehow getting parity with [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► that in some way no it's just an [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► addition of animation like they love [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► animation ever since core animation was [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► introduced they've been adding it [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► everywhere they possibly can [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► core animation just makes it a little [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► bit too easy I think to add animation [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► because you're like you know what this [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► is an animatable property why not [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► animate it it's really easy from a [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► program [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► perspective now to animate stuff so they [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► have their they have to think less hard [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► about well do we really want this [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► animation because it's going to be a lot [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► of work to make it it's not a lot of [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► work and you end up with animations [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► everywhere and sometimes they go over [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► the line a little bit so I'll let's do [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► our first sponsor and you know what [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► what's cool is if you're in the chat [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► room if you join us live sometimes we do [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► things like this when when we have like [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► especially like when we have an iOS [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► sponsor they're going to be given we [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► have a whole bunch of codes to give away [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► faith is going to be putting those into [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► the not all of them this time we get to [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► spread them out over some the other [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► shows but she'll be putting a few into [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► the into the chat room so if you're not [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► in the chat room go join the chat room [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► you can go to five by five dot TV slash [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► live and there's like a button that says [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► chat with us or link or something go [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► there and faith will be dropping these [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► and sometimes you do it over Twitter [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► today we're going to do some in the [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► chatroom [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► and the sponsor is WX now this is a by [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► company called hunter research and [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► technology we've had some their apps on [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► there they do really really cool apps [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► they do iOS apps and Matt Capps and what [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► I'm going to tell you about mainly today [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► is WX this is an award-winning US [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► weather app I know we have some [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► international you know listeners so [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► maybe you get a pressure this guy to do [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► an international version but it's a US [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► weather app it works on the Mac iPad [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► iPhone it was a name to 2009 Mac Jim by [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► Mac world magazine [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► gyro lens it's another one is an [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► innovative camera that levels photos in [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► real time it puts an end to crooked [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► shots I'm guilty of that especially the [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► iPhone and theodolite now this is a cool [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► app this is the one that makes your [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► iPhone or your iPad into essentially [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► into luke skywalker's viewfinder from [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► Empire Strikes Back in the beginning you [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► know when he's out there with the [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► imperial probe droid you know I'm [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► talking about John or you often I do I [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► was considering whether I should do my [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► imitation of the probe droid but that's [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► about it [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► I don't know we gotta have got excited [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► not to okay it shows over so you can try [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► it when I'm sorry I mean that's pretty [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► good moves he rears no all right so this [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► is this is a top-selling one I have to [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► tell you I went to I went to the Dollar [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► W axon I said listen [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► I said that this theodolite ye you've [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► got to make a game out of this because [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► I'll sit there I'll put this on on my [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► boys iPad or on his on he has a little [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► iPhone it's like a game he can run [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► around you know like I said if you just [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► had something that shot you know could [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► shoot things you know it would be like a [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► virtual reality you know like a [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► augmented reality kind of game is that I [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► don't know if that would sell but anyway [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► so if you want that you can pressure [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► them into it but this has this is like a [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► viewfinder with a rangefinder and int [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► in-clinic inclinometer how do you say [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► that a compass a GPS map I mean it's got [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► everything so you can find out about all [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► of this stuff read about their [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► development services they do that too at [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► HRT apps comm go check them out if [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► you're in the chatroom faith will give [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► out now you know faith maybe give out [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► one of the one of the wx4 Mac one of the [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► iPad ones one of the gyro Lynch just [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► like one of each drop well maybe a [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► couple of the theodolite [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► that's it thanks to them for sponsoring [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► HRT APSCo I'm looking at that app on the [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► website it really does look like it [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► really does the thing from it's almost [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► like that he could make extra money if [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► you actually licensed from Lucasfilm the [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► exact appearance of that thing I'm [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► surprised he doesn't get sued already [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► because it's it's close but not it's [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► different enough George Lee has bigger [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► fish to fry [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► he's worried more about who shot first [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► yeah or that guy making a prop helmets [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► for stormtroopers right did you rate [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► that started this big you know do we [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► have that in a show no it's tell people [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► what you're talking about [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► so some one of the guys who made the [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► original helmets for Star Wars to start [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► stormtrooper helmets decided that he was [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► employed he was employed by Lucas to [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► make these things isn't right he worked [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► there and he still had the mold from [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► when he made the original ones that [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► appear in the movies who is it hey I bet [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► I could clean up these molds and make a [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► couple sure enough stormtrooper helmets [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► and sell them and of course Lucas gets [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► wind of it and is all cranky and tries [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► to sue him and he eventually won his [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► case that he is allowed to make and sell [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► these helmets from these molds because I [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► guess a lot of the reason he won is that [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► he's not in the US he's in the UK and he [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► has no assets in the US so US laws don't [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► apply to him and probably his employment [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► contract with Lucy Lucas was such that [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► Lucas didn't say oh we reserve the [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► rights to all these molds and you don't [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► blah blah like a modern contract would [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► have said they just hired him to do it [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► and didn't claim ownership of those [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► molds or the intellectual property that [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► they represent you know so it's kind of [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► a victory against the Empire for this [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► one guy and he's it's not like he's [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► becoming a millionaire all but he was [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► just selling something to make some [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► money I should find that link put in the [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► show no did you buy one no you did come [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► on oh there that's I think they're [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► expensive is that magic so is your [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► plasma TV yeah but the plasma TV or [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► watch every day and I get you know what [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► I have a prediction for what's going to [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► happen next WWDC someone's gonna get me [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► an actual storm trip round how much of [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► these things will work on it well race [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► it will do for now I think I think [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► they're thousands of dollars because I [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► guess they're collectors would you wear [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► it like everyday to or to and from work [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► yeah like I had like you know in the [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► 1940s and 50s and you know any any man [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► who had any kind of decency would be [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► wearing a nice fedora would you wear [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► would you wear this to work as you can [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► no I think I displayed a sculpture I [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► think that was part of the trial like in [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► arguing whether it was a piece of [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► sculpture like art or whether it was a [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► costume or something like that would you [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► ever wear a full a full you know like a [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► full on stormtrooper suit I don't I [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► can't think of any context when that [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► would happen like a comic-con if we send [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► you two packs or comic-con or something [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► yeah but I wouldn't like I'm not one of [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► those people who dresses up that's what [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► I'm trying to find out if you are know [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► when you LARP you dress up though [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► you're the LARPing on me I've never LARP [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► so you say really Aven I did go to a [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► Medieval Faire as a kid does that count [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► I wasn't role-playing but I just up as a [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► knight I was 10 years old it wasn't that [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► weird everybody dressed up to hold the [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► whole class we had to get we had to [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► dress it you know we had to make our art [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► you know uniforms and whatever they were [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► you know so some people went as a knight [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► some people went is you know a jester or [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► whatever I don't know whatever it goes [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► on I didn't care everybody was dressed [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► up I was 10 years old then someone threw [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► up on the bus on the way home it was the [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► worst thing and the way the teacher [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► tried to counteract this the way she [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► tried to mask the smell of the vomit on [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► the tour bus on [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► the way home on the three-hour drive [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► home from Sarasota back to South Florida [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► was to spray her perfume which combined [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► with the smell of vomit and became [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► something much much worse [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► that's called childhood Dan well this is [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► the closest thing to lie this is my [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► LARPing experience we didn't roleplay [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► although I was knighted I'll bet you're [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► not in the way you've ended is that code [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► for something no it's not absolutely not [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► far as I know alright so what other [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► topics about lion do you want to cover I [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► have a big list here but you can pick [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► your allow me to read off my lesson you [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► can pick which one yes of course [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► okay sandboxing Ark HFS+ wait slow down [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► hold on sandboxing Ark I think you [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► covered Ark well beyond where I want to [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► I mean that you killed that in the [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► article I don't want to do that you [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► wanna do it at all [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► no all right well we'll see if they will [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► see if there's a revolt from the [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► listeners I did get a lot of questions [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► about it high DPI stuff the linking [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► general linking in the article and then [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► any other topics that I didn't cover in [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► the review that you want to talk about [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► well I would definitely like to talk [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► about sandboxing because I don't I think [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► I think it's an interesting topic I [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► think they've done a lot of work behind [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► the scenes on it and I think it's [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► something that regular human beings [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► would actually benefit from even though [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► none of them listen to the show [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► that this is something that people could [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► know about somebody else covered our cut [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► that was it Marco I think we talked [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► about it I don't to be honest I kind of [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► tuned out during the arc stuff no [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► sandboxing I mean a little bit but not [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► that not the way you do yeah I'll cover [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► I think it's gonna become you really [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► want to talk about our fine your show [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► I'll do whatever you want it's your shot [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► I'll talk about that monster million [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► downloads we're on for the people who [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► don't listen to Marco show or whatever [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► show this was on so sandboxing is a [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► feature that existed in a more limited [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► form and Snow Leopard I was introduced [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► in Snow Leopard I think and Apple mostly [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► use it for their daemon processes so the [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► dog demon processes are processes that [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► run in the background continuously [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► either when you're logged in or just [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► continuously when the machine is booted [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► and they perform services like they this [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► font demons and [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► caching demons and all sorts of things [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► that other processes communicate with to [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► get information about the system I and [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► since this possible time since a lot of [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► them run will either be except to both [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► will use file or the whole fast or [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► whatever good day hang on a sec your [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► your audio is breaking up on me what are [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► you doing there are you on the files [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► it's not I'm on class is it Mac or C no [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► it's not your mic it's uh let me try it [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► let me try it back maybe skype is [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► playing games with us alright [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► I am we'll get him back yeah see we [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► gonna make two of each face you can do [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► two of each trying to John back here [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► this is connecting and ever you know you [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► never know what what the cause could be [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► with Skype which we could move away from [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► Skype entirely and I have to I have to [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► be honest this I could be this stupid on [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► this stupid router what they gave us can [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► they still hear us in the chat room see [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► this is that's terrible who knows it who [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► knows what this is I am I'm really [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► getting a really getting fed up with [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► this thing John I say we have to blame [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► this on your end no this is this is [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► definitely my on that time now there's [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► something weird it's like it I've got it [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► I've got to go in and mess with this [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► router that they gave me it's a piece of [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► piece of garbage and I have to get them [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► to change it out or something because it [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► periodically it's like everything will [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► be fine and then you'll then you'll lose [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► it a little like the DHCP lease will [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► expire and you won't renew I'll have to [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► go in and network preferences and renew [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► it now what is that don't know low [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► quality weapon seriously what I send you [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► this stuff anyway we don't need to waste [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► time so please continue your thought I'm [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► sorry too [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► sub sandboxing so as I was saying [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► sandboxing was introduced in snow [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► leopard as a way to isolate demon [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► processes to some degree I don't [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► remember what the details of the [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► sandboxing were but you could limit [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► their privileges in a few ways it wasn't [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► really promoted as a feature for [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► application developers yet it was just a [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► framework for making demon processes not [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► be able to have full access to the file [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► system or be able to do you know [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► everything that our process can normally [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► do with the privileges of a super user [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► whatever user it's running it so in Lion [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► they've greatly expanded the sandboxing [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► and are now promoting it for use by [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► applications and the idea is that [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► applications have to declare the things [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► that they're expected to do so if you [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► have an application that expects to open [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► a network connection you would say I [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► need to be able to open network [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► connections or every application expects [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► incoming network connections it says I [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► need to be able to open a port to listen [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► for incoming network connections I need [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► access to the movies folder because [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► that's where I'm going to read stuff [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► from or I need access to the user's home [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► directory or you know it is not that [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► many omits not really fine-grain I think [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► there's only like 30 or something you [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► know there's less than 100 of these [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► entitlements they're called where you [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► declare what your application is [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► supposed to do and as part of the Mac [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► App Store review process come November [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► your application must be sandbox and [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► what that means is that if you submit to [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► the Mac App Store after November you [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► must have Sam bossing enabled and then [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► you must have this list of entitlements [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► that say what your application is [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► expected to do and you can't just say [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► okay fine I'll list all the entitlements [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► because then I don't have to worry about [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► the sandbox so much I said I just need [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► access to everything I need access so [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► the whole file system may need access to [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► the network everything everything what [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► do what Apple will do in the review [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► process is say you know hey this is a [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► weather application why do you need [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► access Y do you need to open a port for [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► listening on the network why do you need [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► to complete access to the file system [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► for your weather application and they'll [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► reject it and they'll say it doesn't [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► seem like your application should need [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► this entitlement to do its job please [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► explain to us why you think it does and [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► what they're trying to do is reduce the [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► surface area [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► of attack so that if one of these [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► applications is exploited by a buffer [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► overflow or some other kind of bug you [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► can only do the things that the [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► application is it restricted to doing so [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► if the application doesn't need to open [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► a network port as far as normal [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► operation if the application is [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► exploited the X point can open a network [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► port either now to go further than that [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► what they also want application [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► developers to do is something called [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► privilege separation where instead of [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► having deciding what their application [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► has to do it has to read and write files [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► it has to talk on the network it has to [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► you know have access to the camera and [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► the microphone whatever things that the [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► application needs to do instead of [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► taking that and saying let me just make [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► a list and then give my application [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► these entitlements that what Apple wants [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► you to do is to break up your [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► application into individual sort of sub [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► programs or sub applications that only [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► do a specific task so for example an [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► apples on a QuickTime Player it has to [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► decode video and decoding video is a [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► notoriously difficult process that has [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► to be high performance and there have [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► been a lot of exploits in sort of [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► decoding of compressed information [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► because that code has to be very fast [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► and tends to be vulnerable to the buffer [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► or buffer overflows because it can't [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► constantly be checking bounds on [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► everything because it has to be fast and [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► that the algorithms are complex and the [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► code is complex so what Apple does is [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► this I we're going to offload the [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► decoding of video to a separate process [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► and that process doesn't need to have [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► any access to the file system because we [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► will feed it the data oh you know [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► through memory through a inter process [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► communication from the parent thing and [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► this that process isn't I need to have [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► any access to the network you know it [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► can be extremely isolated the only thing [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► that process sees is data given to it by [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► its parent process and then it returns [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► did all happening in memory no [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► privileges for anything so if there is [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► some sort of exploit in side like the [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► h.264 decoding algorithm or something or [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► there's some sort of bug there that if [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► you feed a it maliciously created video [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► to the video player something you can [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► take over your computer [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► well that that video will find itself [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► taking over a external process that has [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► almost no privileges you can't do [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► anything and that that's what they want [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► application developers to do is to think [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► about their application and instead of [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► giving [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► at the superset of all entitlements that [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► we need to do with job break it down [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► into sub applications each of which only [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► needs a few of those inside them so that [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► the parent application itself would have [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► a very very few entitlements and then [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► supplications would have the other few [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► we'll spread it out throughout them now [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► splitting up your application like this [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► is kind of a pinyin because you're like [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► oh so where do I put these other [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► executables how do I launch them how do [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► I feed them data how do I reap the [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► process when they're done I know you [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► know how do I communicate back and forth [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► but then I don't have to make my own [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► propos it's kind of annoying so what [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► Apple's done is created this ex PC [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► framework I guess you call it that [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► manages this for you it's sort of a [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► system for creating separate executables [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► that get stored in your applications [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► bundle and what you do is operate at a [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► very high level you basically call a [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► method that will trigger the creation of [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► this separate process on-demand handle [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► the communication with it and handle [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► cleaning up the process when it's done [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► so you don't have to deal with those [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► details making it easier for you to now [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► everyone knows you should do this [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► privilege separation thing if you see [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► the presentation so yeah that's not but [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► I don't I deal with the details so Apple [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► is trying to be able to many of the [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► details as possible to encourage the [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► most number of developers to do this now [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► this isn't you can sandbox your [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► application and not do this at all but [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► Apple really wants to encourage people [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► to do this because they think it's a [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► better way from a security perspective [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► to design an application sandboxing I [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► was just talking about the X PC thing [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► and splitting up your application into [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► pieces right all right so the [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► interesting part of this is that as you [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► can imagine on the Mac almost every [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► application these days seems like it [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► should need full access to the file [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► system because how else do open files [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► like it does the application can't know [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► where your files are they could be [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► anywhere they could be any desktop and [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► your Documents folder on a server volume [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► it's just expected that Mac applications [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► can open up any file and so it seems [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► like every Mac application or at least [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► some subcomponent or a Mac application [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► needs to have complete access to the [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► file system and that is a big [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► vulnerability because if that app is [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► exploited by you know some sort of [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► maliciously created file that it opens [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► or any other mechanism where over the [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► network or any other mechanism where you [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► can take [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► control this application then you have [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► complete access to all that users files [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► you could for example recursively delete [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► their entire home directory or you know [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► a plant the virus somewhere and there [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► that launches every time they log in or [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► do all sorts of nasty things [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► so Apple solution to this is to provide [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► a an intermediate a trusted intermediary [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► that provides access to the full file [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► system but only in response to explicit [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► user actions so for example when you go [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► to the file menu and select open or hit [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► commando what it does is it hands-off [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► operation to this power box daemon and [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► the power box daemon has access to the [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► full file system but your application [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► doesn't and the only way you get to the [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► power box thing is by explicit user [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► action because you selected open from [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► the file menu or you hit command o it [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► wasn't something that the program did it [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► was a user input that went through you [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► know the input mechanism in the event [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► mechanism and caused you know the open [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► dialog to come up that is a signal to [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► the application that yes this is a user [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► doing this and not a program and then [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► you're handed off to the power box [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► application which is okay I will poke a [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► little hole in your sandbox to allow you [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► access to whichever file that I pick now [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► the application is in control the power [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► box applications is okay you hang on [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► over there let me take over [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► I'll let the guy pick the application [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► that he wants and when he picks it I [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► will give that one application back to [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► you so the application still doesn't [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► have complete access to the file so it [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► just says okay I've handed off control [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► to this intermediary it will give me the [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► file that I want it can't it the [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► application can't tell power box which [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► file to open [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► it's it waits for power box tell it [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► here's the file that the user selected [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► and that's the way that they want [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► applications basically no Mac [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► applications just say I need full access [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► to the file system unless it's like a [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► disc checker or something where it has [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► to scan your whole disk that would be a [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► legitimate use but for general [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► applications just because you need to [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► open a file you don't need full access [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► to the file system this this [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► intermediary they will do it for you and [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► this applies to things like dragging an [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► icon onto an application in the dock or [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► in the finder all those mechanisms that [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► are an explicit user action trigger the [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► the use of this power box intermediary [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► and are explicitly allowed because it [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► was done by a user so this is [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► kind of this is not a new innovation [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► many systems use this kind of security [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► model but it's the first time it's been [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► coming to Mac os10 and Apple's really [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► pushing it hard and the article I talked [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► about the carrot and the stick the [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► carrot is do this because your [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► application will be more secure we're [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► providing these really nice API it's [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► like the X PC thing for managing [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► external applications yeah we'll take [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► care of the details for you we've done [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► all this work for you that's the carrot [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► the stick is if you want to be in the [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► Mac App Store we're going to start [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► requiring this November so you best get [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► used to it [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► a lot of legacy Mac applications have [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► expectations way beyond the things that [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► sandboxing allows and one of the big [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► ones is Apple events you can do a lot [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► with Apple events you can communicate [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► from one application to the other and [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► make applications do almost anything and [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► some applications are built around Apple [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► events for example BBEdit makes [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► extensive use of them and this was the [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► best practice from Apple many many years [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► ago so yeah do everything with Apple [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► events within your your script ability [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► is great and other applications can [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► communicate with you and so on and so [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► forth but from a security perspective [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► it's not great to do that so there's a [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► severe restrictions on app cross [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► application Apple events and even I [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► think within application Apple events [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► when you're in a sandbox so it's going [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► to be a problem for some applications [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► that were built based on apples previous [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► advice about best practices now that [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► advice is changed and there may be kind [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► of a rocky road for some apps to get [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► themselves within the sandbox simply [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► because some assumptions are just baked [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► into their design and it's not as easy [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► as just giving yourself a list of [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► entitlements that you that you need or [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► breaking replication up into pieces so I [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► think that cover sandboxing raids [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► I wonder how important is this to modern [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► operating systems I mean is this [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► something that's sort of critical that [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► they all need or is this Apple doing [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► something extra that it's not required [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► is this innovation I mean - what's your [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► take on this is this like an about time [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► kind of a thing well like a lot of the [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► things in Lion all this was field tested [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► in iOS so they are not kind of flying [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► blind like in iOS they have a system [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► where applications are by default even [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► more restricted they have don't have [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► full access of the filesystem they they [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► are confined to their own little world [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► they're very very restricted and not in [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► a very configurable way [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► ah and so what they're trying to say is [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► we found that can work that people can [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► write applications that that the user is [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► like being severely severely restricted [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► and I say well the Mac is the Wild West [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► how do we get from the Wild West to [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► something closer to that and so this is [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► them trying to move the Mac in that [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► direction and to their credit there they [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► have taken the lead in this even in [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► previous versions like in Snow Leopard [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► Safari was made to split up like [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► internet plugins like flash and [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► everything into separate applications so [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► the one that crashed they don't take [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► down the whole app and any of is that [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► obviously Safari is one of those [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► applications where security is critical [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► because you're constantly on the web [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► reading data from unknown sources all [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► day long and in Lion they've done the [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► same thing where you know now the [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► QuickTime application is a sandbox [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► executable for decoding that PDF [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► rendering is pushed off into a separate [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► application by the framework that does [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► that of the preview application they [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► using WebKit to which further separates [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► not just separating plugins and [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► separating video decoding and stuff like [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► that but also separating the rendering [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► process itself from the actual Safari [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► application so it's getting to the point [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► where Apple's applications are just [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► shells for other services that are [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► spawned off in other applications and [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► they're starting with the ones that are [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► most vulnerable security wise there's [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► been tons of PDF exploits so they wanted [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► to make sure that their PDF rendering [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► was isolated and of course web exploits [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► they're constantly making Safari more [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► resilient to this so I think it's [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► inevitable and it's not a surprise [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► they're doing it it's not an about time [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► I think it's pretty much on schedule [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► because there is a mismatch between the [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► traditional expectations of desktop [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► applications and what iOS apps can do [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► and they do want to heard desktop [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► applications in that direction there's [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► so many different angles in this this is [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► security angle there's the stability [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► angle there is the simplicity angle in [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► terms of if we can confine applications [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► to a specific directory that the user [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► doesn't have to know about them they [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► don't have their files scattered all [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► over the place [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► iCloud will go further in that direction [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► because in iCloud if you want to make a [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► file ubiquitous which is their their [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► terminology for a file that appears on [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► all your different machines like put it [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► in the cloud [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► the local location of that file on your [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► file system on your Mac is supposed to [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► be immaterial [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► like you'll you can find it and know [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► where it is if you're interested but [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► once you once you put it into the cloud [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► you're not supposed to really care where [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► the document is on your file system if [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► if for example an application if all of [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► its files were in file cloud file cloud [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► and if all of its files were in iCloud [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► they would not have to have full access [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► the files they could be sandbox like an [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► iOS application is because that's what [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► iOS apps are like their files have to be [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► within their little little world like if [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► they can't reach into other applications [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► files and that's limiting from a sharing [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► perspective but it's great from a [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► security perspective where you can't [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► mess with other applications so if a Mac [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► application was 100% dedicated to iCloud [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► it could behave like that too now there [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► is there's an opposition to this which [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► is but what about application or what [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► about files that I use in multiple [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► applications what like a PDF that I want [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► to open in PDF pen to edit but I also [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► want to open in preview but I also open [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► it in my web browser occasionally or [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► open it in some sort of ebook reader [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► application a single PDF can be open to [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► many different applications and you [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► can't you can't have it just confined to [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► the preview applications little iCloud [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► document mobile documents and box area [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► because then how would the other [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► applications see it so the Mac is [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► different from iOS and Apple is going to [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► have to walk that line between security [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► and stability and not having to worry [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► about the file system but also [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► acknowledging that you do need to share [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► applications between you need to share [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► data between applications on the Mac and [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► I would argue that you need to do that [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► in iOS as well a lot of people [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► complained how annoying it is that once [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► PDF for example gets sucked up into [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► iBooks if you want to open that PDF in [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► another application it's not quite as [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► easy unless you go back to the original [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► email that it came in and you know tap [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► and hold down and say open another [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► application it'll be an interesting [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► balancing act but right now we're still [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► in the early stages and I think for the [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► most part Mac [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► applications should be able to adopt [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► sandboxing without freaking users or [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► developers out too much but they could [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► help with a couple of exceptions [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► surrounding Apple events and other [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► applications that want to do more [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► interesting things you with all these [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► things you don't want Apple to get too [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► draconian about the restrictions because [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► you will be eliminating interesting [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► applications that do things that are [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► outside the bounds of sandboxing useful [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► things that you would want to do like [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► for example SuperDuper obviously needs [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► to read every single file on your disk [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► to make it clone but if Apple is to [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► decree that all applications must be [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► sandbox only sandbox applications can [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► run in by the way that entitlement where [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► you want to read every file on disk [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► we're not letting you have that or it's [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► super duper is already out of the Mac [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► App Store because you needed Min [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► privileges to read every file in the [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► disk because normally you can only read [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► your files what about the function the [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► other work inside so no I don't think [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► anyone would argue that super dooper is [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► not a useful application it's a [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► tremendously useful but it doesn't fit [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► within Apple's worldview right now and [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► it would be a shame to see more [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► applications that are interesting and [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► useful get pushed to the side because [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► they're not in the 80 percent of like an [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► application that you open text files or [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► audio in or some simple thing like that [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► I think that's my take on sandboxing [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► mostly good but it all depends on how [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► Apple handles the rollout and execution [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► and how developers handle it and you're [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► feeling optimistic about that in general [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► though right yeah because like where [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► they're doing it now is where it makes [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► so much sense like I want Safari to be [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► chopped up into little pieces in sandbox [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► I want PDF rendering to be off in a [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► separate process and all that other [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► stuff from a user's perspective all [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► those things are good and I will be [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► happy when and when I if I download a [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► little Mac application that lets me edit [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► audio or something that it doesn't need [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► full access to the file system it [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► doesn't need to be able to turn on the [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► camera or the microphone on my monitor [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► and all sorts of that they're their [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► entitlements for all sorts of stuff like [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► that right I'm glad that Apple is making [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► sure that an application some simple [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► application like that like a game [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► doesn't need to do things that are way [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► outside the realm it's it's malware [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► protection basically so that that's a [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► good use of Apple's power and you know [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► as long as they avoid the bad uses I [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► think it'll turn out okay you know who's [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► a really a big proponent of sandboxing [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► who's that source Fitz calm these guys [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► make amazing software software design [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► development services for iOS Mac they [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► even do Android do you know if Android [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► has the same boxing I don't know [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► anyway they also do web stuff there [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► they're a bleeding edge kind of a [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► company they they're on top of this that [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► this stuff we're talking about now [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► that's new they've been this is their [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► this is all hat for them and their deep [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► experiencing successful track record [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► will ensure your idea because you go to [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► them with an idea that's what these guys [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► do you go to them with an idea you say I [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► have an idea I don't know what to do I [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► have this great idea and they said don't [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► worry about it we'll make you a visually [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► stunning world-class app in no time they [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► know how to do this they'll save you [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► time and money by getting it done right [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► the first time [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► they're very diamond seriously these [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► guys they're cutting edges Tom man if [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► you want something done and this is the [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► thing people show up with an idea and [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► they say well I guess I have to go out [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► and review iOS developers I guess I have [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► to go on Craigslist and then hire [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► somebody or whatever you don't I mean [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► I'm not saying don't do that [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► but typical projects that's not how you [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► want to get started you just call these [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► guys you go to source bits calm you tell [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► them look I heard about you guys on [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► hypercritical [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► set me up give me a good you know get me [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► going here and in days you'll have a [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► prototype app up and running and working [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► it's amazing so check these guys [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► outsource boots comm they do web apps [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► too don't forget about that check em out [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► tell them we send your source Fitz comm [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► check it out they do sandboxing yeah [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► everyone will I think the motivation to [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► be in the Mac App Store is very high and [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► if an application can conceivably be in [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► the Mac App Store according to apples [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► rules most developers want their app to [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► be there at this point even if they [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► still sell it separately they still they [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► want to be available in as many markets [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► as possible in the Mac App Store has [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► been driving sales for people so what [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► are some of these other things you want [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► to talk because I still think you know I [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► still think people want to hear more [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► about your rants on them the user [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► interface have you have you been using [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► line now yet is your primary oh no it's [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► gonna be a while before I upgrade a [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► while why what absolutely waiting for I [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► still have to figure out what I'm gonna [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► do with Quicken [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► I really don't is it doesn't hope [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► there's quick and just not run is that [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► the profit just won't run or what [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► doesn't run does not law doesn't realize [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► so I need to do you use Quicken for your [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► personal finances yeah yeah so I need to [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► figure out what I'm going to do there I [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► start auditioning applications I need to [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► figure what I'm going to do with [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► Photoshop because I don't like not [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► having Photoshop on my system I do have [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► a copy of a corn and a couple other [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► programs that I purchased but I kind of [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► like Photoshop even though I use one [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► eight thousandth of its functionality [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► I'm used to it and occasionally I do use [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► one or two of the more advanced features [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► so I gotta figure what I'm going to do [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► there yeah I'm collecting updated [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► versions of applications now I've gotten [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► updated version of macfuse some of my [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► open store stuff I'll probably rebuild I [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► don't know it's going to be awhile and [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► it work it's a similar issue where I [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► have to use disk encryption at work but [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► I don't know if the if work has yet [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► approved Apple's disk encryption so this [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► is what I was going to ask you we spend [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► a lot of time last week John talking [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► about the encryption and then you came [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► out with a link [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► I didn't I dang I didn't put in this [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► week's show notes but it's a great link [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► somebody actually ran some benchmarks [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► they actually have some legitimate [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► benchmarks showing how much of a [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► performance hit you will you will feel [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► and it was bigger than you made it seem [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► to be honest well I added two links I [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► was just basically posting links that [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► other people sent me I don't know the [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► Providence of these things are what Alex [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► tends to the testing was what if someone [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► sends me some information with a graph [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► all retweeted right all you all you need [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► to get John to retweet something is send [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► to have a graph on the page and you'll [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► retweet you if it's something useful so [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► the first one showed that read [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► performance was not really impacted by [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► write performance was like like 50% [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► reduction uh and so I just posted that I [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► there was no explanation accompanying it [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► was just like this guy did this testing [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► he's the benchmark here's the graph he's [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► produced that's a lot though 50% all [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► right so a little bit later someone else [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► produced another graph that showed a [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► much much lower hit with a different SSD [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► and a different system I don't even know [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► if the benchmark was a shame showing [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► that reads were not really affected that [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► much and rights were barely affected and [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► that was a dramatic difference from one [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► guy's testing on his machine with it as [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► a state to another guy's testing so just [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► go I mean we're the benchmarks different [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► is because the SSD Hardware was [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► different is because one had different [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► drivers that you know I I make people [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► can draw their own conclusions I have no [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► information about these two people's [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► benchmarks or what they mean now I did [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► see some interesting theories one thing [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► to understand about SSDs is that they [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► have to write data in big hunking blocks [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► even if you just update like one byte [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► somewhere they can't just go in there [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► and twiddle the bits in that one byte [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► what they have to do is take an entire [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► region I forget how big these regions [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► are what they're called this correct [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► terminology if you go to the Wikipedia [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► page on SSDs or flash storage they have [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► to wipe the entire region and rewrite it [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► with the change inside it so as you can [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► imagine doing writes could potentially [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► be a lot slower than than doing reads if [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► you have to erase some big giant region [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► before you write it in there and one [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► person's theory was that a lot of SSDs [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► have firmware on them or you know chips [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► that try to figure out just just the [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► deltas between what's there now and what [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► you have and they try to be more [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► efficient about just writing the deltas [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► even though they have to clear the [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► entire area and since when you just [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► change one or two little bits if the [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► underlying storage is encrypted the [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► entire block could actually change and [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► not just those one or two bits because [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► in the unencrypted world you change one [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► into a little bits but when you re [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► encrypt that the whole frickin block is [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► changed and so then you have to actually [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► the diff is 100% no matter what you [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► change even if you just change one byte [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► in this area that was one theory I heard [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► some guy put forward to why the write [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► performance would be so massively [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► affected the reads wouldn't be as [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► effective as we were just saying read [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► this it just comes right off the disk [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► and gets decrypted so it would mean that [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► it's not the encryption and decryption [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► process that's slowing it down but it's [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► the fact that changing one byte in the [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► decrypted world means changing in making [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► the entire block different in the [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► encrypted world and so that that would [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► account for the writes being so much [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► slower but but again the second test [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► that showed the rights weren't is slow [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► maybe that's a different set of firmware [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► or smaller block size different kinds of [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► flash I don't know the details though [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► I'm saying is that if you have concerns [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► remember that encryption is always [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► reversible you can encrypt a small disk [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► into a benchmark on it yourself with [TS]