Hypercritical

00:00:00 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► this is hyper critical to weekly [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► talkshow ruminating on exactly what is [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► wrong in the world of Apple and related [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► technologies and businesses nothing is [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► so perfect that it can't be complained [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► about buying my co-host John siracusa [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► I'm Dan Benjamin [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► today is October 14th 2011 this is [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► episode number 38 our two sponsors are [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► easy DNS comm and Rackspace comm tell [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► you more about them as we continue on [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► with this program Jon siracusa how are [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► you I'm doing fine you sound good you [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► sound well yeah I've gotten sick yet but [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► I'm getting there well you have kids [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► kids around the world they catch her [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► here everyone in the family of the flu [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► shot now I think except for me oh how [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► effective for those I've heard the [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► different things about the efficacy of [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► the flu shot [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► I tell from year to year I've been [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► getting them pretty much since I've had [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► kids and I haven't noticed a big [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► difference I still always get a cold or [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► several of them during the winter oh [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► that's a cold that's not the fairs that [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► well maybe it would be worse you know I [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► I can't tell the difference I don't [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► think a flu shot does anything for a [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► cold and you can yeah you probably don't [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► believe medicine work theater so of [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► course I do but I'm saying why would a [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► flu shot protect you from the cold well [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► it's just protecting you against one [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► particular strain of virus and so maybe [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► you don't get that strain of you the flu [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► shot but there are other strains I guess [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► they're less severe or I don't know [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► sometimes they make the flu shot wrong [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► where they try to predict what strain it [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► will be and they get it wrong but I [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► figure it's better than nothing no it's [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► I'm not saying don't do it I'm saying I [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► wouldn't expect any protection from the [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► common cold from a flu shot I don't know [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► I I still get sick during the winter but [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► I survive [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► losers are all did you ready for some [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► follow-up I would love that [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► some follow-up is piling up I keep [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► skipping over wheat well last week last [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► week there was good reason to do [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► something different but let's just start [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► with the follow-up then let's start [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► start with it I'm looking into these [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► links that you put in here yeah last [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► week push a lot of stuff out yeah [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► actually I just look at the links to it [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► this is the problem I put these links in [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► and then during the show I forget to [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► look at the page where I put the links [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► in and then I I skip over stuff [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► all right so I'll do a limited selection [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► to follow up okay so this is a one from [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► a couple weeks ago I think I just never [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► got to there was a New York Times story [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► I think it was just on the online site [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► not on the paper I don't I don't [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► actually know I only see the online [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► version it was part of a larger section [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► about cooking and the little mini [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► article was called why is my toaster so [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► bad and I put a link in the show notes I [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► feel this is partial vindication of my [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► toaster obsession it's a very short [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► article it just explains toaster seemed [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► like we used to be better and now [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► they're not anymore [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► the article didn't extrapolate from that [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► like we did in the show about that they [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► worse and more diverse that the you know [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► consumer electronics and other products [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► are expanding in the variety of options [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► you have but decreasing in quality sort [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► of a race to the bottom type things this [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► little snippet did not go into that but [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► I do feel partially vindicated that [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► something appeared in The New York Times [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► having to do with low quality of [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► toasters this is one of your ghost [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► writing pieces no I would have been much [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► more severe than than this thing so it's [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► just like I think it's like maybe it was [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► in there Sunday frilly magazine [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► lifestyle help you know it's not it's [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► not it's not on the news page on the [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► link in the show notes by the way when [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► you click on it it brings up this big [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► interactive thing that has multiple [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► sections the first section is Canada [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► candid inner party be stress-free that's [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► not the one you want you have to click [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► on a little sidebar I tried very hard to [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► get a URL that would bring you to that [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► sidebar being clicked but short of me [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► writing a big long JavaScript thing I [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► wasn't happening so you'll have to click [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► on why is my toaster so bad it's the [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► second item down on the left side I [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► wanted so we talked a little bit about [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► my family my mother calling me about the [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► Steve Jobs thing and and last show where [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► we talked about that stuff and I did [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► have another story about my mother that [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► I want to share hmm during that same [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► conversation she mentioned I was talking [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► we're talking about the podcast and she [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► actually listens to the podcast and she [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► I always tell her that I think it's kind [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► of silly for her to listen because we're [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► talking about a lot of technical stuff [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► that she's not interested in at all and [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► really has no background in of course [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► she listen just because I'm her son [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► right and she said well actually learn [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► stuff from your podcasts do things that [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► I didn't know I can follow along and I [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► learn new information and she said for [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► instance and [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► recent show I learned about that when [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► you mentioned about that wiggle mode on [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► iOS devices yeah she learned about that [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► she said I never knew that's what that [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► thing was when they when the little [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► icons are wiggling and everything you [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► could rearrange them and stuff like that [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► and no Bret this is someone who has had [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► an iPod Touch since the first generation [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► and uses mostly iPod touches my sister [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► has one she has one and she said that [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► every time she saw that she thought [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► she'd done something bad and the same [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► thing to do when my sister would see my [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► mother would tell her maybe maybe you [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► messed something up why are they shaking [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► and eventually they would just like pull [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► out it and figure out how to stop the [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► thing from shaking but first of all I [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► feel like this is a personal failing [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► that my my own mother my family didn't [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► know what that was I guess you could [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► accidentally activate it if you just if [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► you tap just a little bit too long or [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► you're lazy you don't lift your finger [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► up right and then it goes into the [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► wiggle mode for a range in yes but her [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► conception of how computers work was [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► that this I guess that this that these [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► little shaking icons weren't something [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► that had to be explicitly programmed by [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► someone but it was like a an outward [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► symptom of something that had gone wrong [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► the things she compared to was like in a [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► Windows NT you remember when you put in [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► the bad username and password and the [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► little thing would shake back and forth [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► next did that too right this Windows NT [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► do that I know next did I don't know I [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► don't think so all right well I like Mac [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► West does not go as 10 still do it - [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► this is where you rent prompted for a [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► username and password to log in you put [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► in bad information and the the little [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► thing that you type the username and [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► password and shakes back and forth [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► really fast like it's shaking its head [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► and so she thought this was some [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► manifestation of the iPod telling her [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► know you've done something wrong or I'm [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► about to explode or I'm about to cry [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► right it's like please stop yeah please [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► guy I guess you didn't notice the little [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► X's that suddenly appear oh if anything [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► that's like a big warning like don't [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► don't touch me yeah sorry it just goes [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► to show don't assume and this is someone [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► who's used Mac since the original Mac [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► we've add Mac's our entire life she has [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► iOS devices and she uses them all the [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► time just type odds it's not like she's [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► unfamiliar with Apple technology I just [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► don't know how someone can use an iPod [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► Touch for however many years she's been [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► using it and not not noted a success [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► let's see what do we have next [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► I'll tell you something that's funny [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► about that wiggle wiggle mode widow mode [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► if you you can go into the maybe you've [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► done this with your iPod Touches that [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► you give to your kids but we haven't in [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► raishin iPad that my boy uses and I'd [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► he'd see would delete apps sometimes and [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► then he would get yeah I don't think he [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► did it on purpose or if he did he was [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► just you know he was experimenting not [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► knowing that if he puts it into wiggle [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► mode and then presses the X that the app [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► will be gone I don't think he knew what [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► that was I think he just was [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► experimenting with it and deleted [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► deleted some apps that he won that he [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► wanted [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► so there there are settings of course [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► that you can parental control settings [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► and things like that that allow you to [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► prevent your children from deleting an [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► app and I had enabled a whole bunch of [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► parental controls not only because I [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► didn't want to buying things because I [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► didn't want him deleting apps and then [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► getting upset and saying daddy where's [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► my spongebob app and what's interesting [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► is it you can still put it into wiggle [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► mode but the little X's don't appear it [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► just they just wiggle and you can [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► rearrange them but you can't can't [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► delete anything [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► so that might also be good as a a [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► parental control in the other sense of [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► the word yeah that's the other common [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► joke parental controls right for parents [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► to protect your children but really it's [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► mostly for older children to configure [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► devices so that parents can't screw them [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► up right like what was that called [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► simple finder where you just had the big [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► clicky button to valincia there was also [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► a tease member at ease at ease yeah [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► basically big punk and juicy bevel [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► buttons there those simple finder - you [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► know my mother always of when I teased [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► her about these things she always says [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► someday this will be you your children [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► will be making fun of you and you won't [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► know how to work there that's true I [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► tell her this is not true yeah never [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► this will never be true and I will be [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► sad of the day if this day ever comes [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► that my children can beat me in video [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► games but I will forestall that day but [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► I don't think there ever be a day where [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► I just am as incompetent in technology [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► as are the generation product [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► there are sizing I think there are [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► certain things though like I'll give you [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► an example [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► my grandfather um very very smart man he [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► was uh he was a scientist he was a [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► metallurgist he you know very very smart [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► analytical uh incredibly you know gifted [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► mind and when he was when he was you [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► know probably in his 70s 60s or 70s [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► remember web TV remember that thing I do [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► unfortunately he got one of these things [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► and he worked I mean he knew how to work [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► he had no computer experience or [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► anything he worked at just fine but like [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► there were little things in there that I [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► remember would throw him off like for [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► example when you know how when you see [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► an email chain or if you were to forward [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► something how it might append a [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► signature to the bottom of the email [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► like there are settings that would would [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► get around this but people I guess we're [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► sending him things an email and their [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► signatures would be appended to the [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► bottom of it and to him this was [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► puzzling he's like it are these people [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► trying to take credit you know like [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► somebody would send him the body of an [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► article that they would like for him to [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► read and at the bottom it would have [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► that person's name he'd be like does [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► that mean the person wrote it or thought [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► they wrote it like little details like [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► that there's sort of the culture that [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► surrounds technology I think as an older [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► person John you might not understand you [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► might not get it you might understand [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► the technology involved but I think [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► eventually they will be beating you at [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► videogames some that will just come from [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► hand-eye coordination deterioration with [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► age I'm sure that will happen but I'm [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► saying I won't be like afraid of [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► technology or not an abuser now someone [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► in the world and the chat room Adamo [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► wolf says that technology will be [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► something completely different than we [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► can conceive of and that it's happened [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► every generation before us I disagree [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► with that actually I think there's just [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► a couple of inflection points there's [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► pre and post Industrial Revolution where [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► you were like farmers and whatever and [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► then there was machines and in that [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► generation if you if your parents grew [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► up in the sort of a gray and rural [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► reindustrialization age they don't [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► understand this huge influx of new [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► machines and gadgets and technology and [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► manufacturing and interchangeable parts [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► and all that business right so that was [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► one inflection point and I think there [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► was a stretch there where from one [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► generation to the next there wasn't this [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► huge leap you know fathers and sons both [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► like the tinkerer with internal [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► engines and that stay the same for a [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► while and the second inflection point is [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► Turing machines uh you know transistors [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► silicon chips basically where suddenly [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► they started to infect everything and [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► that was a new thing where we can make [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► these very very very tiny electronic [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► machines you know but on printed circuit [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► boards and microchips and stuff like [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► that and that infected everything so [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► then you had one generation who didn't [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► have to deal with computers and [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► microchips and next generation where [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► they were everywhere so that if the [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► father and son both loved internal [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► combustion engines the father would [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► bemoaned the fact that now we can't work [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► on his car because you need a $10,000 [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► special car computer to hook up to it to [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► do anything useful right except for [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► change the oils and the spark plugs and [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► stuff like that so that's the second [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► inflection point I think we were born [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► just that the second inflection point [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► was happening and we are acclimated to [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► and we're used to keeping up with it and [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► I think we'll be fine as long as there's [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► not a third inflection point in our [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► lifetime or a third inflection point it [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► could be something like biological based [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► technology or gene splicing or something [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► that we're not it didn't happen in our [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► formative years that we're not prepared [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► to deal but and then you know if our [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► kids are using these genetically [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► modifying themselves to use a neural [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► implants already but I I think that [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► stuff is so far off we don't have to [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► worry so I think that our generation is [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► safe and we will aside from the just the [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► typical of like getting physically less [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► able not being able to see small text on [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► screen just a physical deterioration of [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► aging that we'll have to deal with [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► obviously there'll be that but not so [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► much the inability to understand to keep [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► up with technology because we're on top [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► of it we're going to do you envision a [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► time will you just stop paying attention [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► to the stuff and does not be interested [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► in at all and not keep up anymore and be [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► like yeah whatever I have now is fine [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► I'm not going to look at it again and [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► then your son or grandson will have [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► something and you'll have no idea what [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► it is I just don't see that happening I [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► don't see it happening but you know it's [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► hard to predict what's gonna happen 20 [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► 30 40 years from now and where your [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► interests will be you think after you [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► retire that you'll still follow [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► technology the way that you do now yeah [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► and I use but in the thing I wrote about [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► Steve Jobs I mentioned my grandfather [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► and he he was one of the big reasons [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► that I got a Mac in the family he got a [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► Mac first and then we got ours shortly [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► after after seeing his and he kept up [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► with technology basically till the day [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► he died it was on top of it all and this [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► is someone who didn't grow up with [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► technology who worked for the Navy his [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► whole life and worked with his hands and [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► his hobby was woodworking so it's not [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► you know I think it's in my genes and I [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► think it'll definitely be on top of it [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► that was a big sidebar let's continue [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► with faux all right go ahead there's a [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► couple people complaining about my could [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► care less couldn't care less thing which [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► is really your could care less couldn't [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► care less thing because you were the one [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► who supposedly says it more often but I [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► don't know and I could care less about [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► that I know yes and what I said [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► I've talked to some people about it over [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► email a lot of them are disappointed [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► that I was so lacks on it and my point [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► in the previous thing was that the not [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► to the side of the fact that speech and [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► writing is about communication the [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► message that some people were getting [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► from that though was that I think it's [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► okay to say could care less in that and [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► that I do it willingly and I'm not [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► worried about I try not to do it I'm [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► trying to avoid saying this I would [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► suggest that you not be inaccurate like [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► all I was saying was that when I make [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► this mistake which happens from time to [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► time I'm not as upset about it as some [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► other people seem to be because in this [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► particular instance I think everybody [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► knows what I mean and one of the other [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► instances that was brought up is the [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► misuse of literally you know other [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► people you see a lot of jokes made about [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► that or that same thing with the [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► unnecessary quotation marks and signs [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► and the use of the word literally to be [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► mean the opposite I think that one is [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► much worse and if I found myself ever [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► doing that when I'd be much more [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► concerned simply because there's no good [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► alternative and you're squat you're [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► squatting on a legitimate meaning [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► whereas I was saying that I have never [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► heard anybody say I could care less to [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► mean anything other than I couldn't care [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► less but then some people said well [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► that's not actually true because then I [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► think was someone from England said in [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► my country people actually do say I [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► could care less to mean the opposite of [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► I couldn't care less [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► and by perverting that meaning you are [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► squatting on top of a perfectly good [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► phrase that other people want to use I I [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► don't hear that in the u.s. like someone [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► says I couldn't care less than someone [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► says well I could I maybe it happens I [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► don't know but anyway that the point I [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► get across is that I am NOT for saying [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► things incorrectly it's just I think [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► there is a continuum of how bad it is [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► and I was saying I don't beat myself up [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► as bad about saying could care less if I [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► do it once in a while as I would if I [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► found myself standing saying something [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► that I think is worse yes no not we're [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► not going to talk about flammable and [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► inflammable s Williams in the chat room [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► try to get off these uh grammar [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► arguments so [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► one more one more follow-up so we've [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► talked a lot about television that was [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► our number one and TiVo and my [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► complaints about TiVo and all that stuff [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► and I was on the TiVo website recently [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► trying to look up when the premiere of [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► The Walking Dead is I think it's [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► actually in two days so I have to make [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► sure my Tebow is going to get twice I [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► was going to the website because [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► sometimes it's the reason I go to the [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► website because it's so much faster to [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► do anything a jewel something is new [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► anything through through the website and [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► the website isn't great actually what I [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► showed you just done is typed walking [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► dead in Google and you know hit return [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► pick the first link and then I could see [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► when the show was premiering but I [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► wanted to like make sure I had a season [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► pass schedule so I was going through the [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► website because it's infinitely faster [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► use my browser even on TiVo's somewhat [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► pokey website than it is to flip around [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► with a stupid remote and I saw on their [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► website when I was there that they have [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► a new T Bo premiere product I don't know [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► how old this is made have been around [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► for a while so I apologize so this is [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► all news to everybody else but it is the [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► TiVo premiere elite if you recall the [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► TiVo premier is new skinnier model but [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► has the flash interface that's [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► horrendously slow and it's filled with [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► advertisements and it's just worse in [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► pretty much every possible way than the [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► previous interface despite the fact that [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► it is finally in HD which is another [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► embarrassment I don't go back into my [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► TiVo complaints but it's good that was a [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► good episode so I looked at the TiVo [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► premiere and I looked at the specs on [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► the site and here are the their [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► relevance specs what makes this the [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► elite one I'm just waiting for a TiVo [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► Premiere Elite Pro Gold anyway has four [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► tuners instead of two which is good I [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► guess I don't buttons will feel like I'm [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► limited by two tuners but occasionally [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► I'm have two tuners in use it has two [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► terabytes hard drive instead of one so [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► it's 300 hours of HD programming which [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► is nice bigger hard drives become [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► available it's nice that they're using [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► them it has one gig of ram instead of [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► 512 again nice to see at evil actually [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► bumping the hardware specs in their [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► machine instead of shipping the same [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► cruddy stuff sure but the very next [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► thing I did when I saw the read those [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► specs is I went to Google and typed [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► I was like TiVo premiere elite faster [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► I'd wanted to see this is all I need to [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► know is so so you got all the stuff is [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► this thing faster than the other one or [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► faster or speed versus all the one and I [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► found a good length that I put in the [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► show notes of someone the board was the [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► name [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► your L era I shouldn't let this thing [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► happen why the tebow elite is so much [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► faster than the TiVo premier that is [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► music to my ears that is the exact your [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► exact URL that I want and here's a quote [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► from that URL it says it says it boots [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► in half the time which I really care [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► about is on every boot but then it says [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► you can move through the menus virtually [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► lag free we really like free exactly [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► what I wanted to hear because my main [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► complaint is it's the interface is so [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► horrendously slow I also would like it [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► if they got rid of all the stupid ads [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► everywhere and it wasn't flash and all [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► these other things right now I read that [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► and I was very happy but then I also [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► thought about the old cascade dishwasher [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► detergent head you remember those [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► cascade gauges get to your dishes [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► virtually spotless I remember that yeah [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► and that you know virtually spotless [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► means your dishes have spots on them [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► that's the that's the that's the literal [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► translation oh yeah [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► so I read again you move through the [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► menus virtually like phrase it means [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► they're still egg and I don't know but [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► but it does mean that it's faster than [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► the old ones so I'm excited to see one [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► of these in the wild and try flipping [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► through the menus and see if it doesn't [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► make me want to gouge my eyes out so I'm [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► glad the TiVo is doing something instead [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► of simply going out of business I am NOT [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► glad that they continued to put ads all [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► over their interface and generally be [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► dumb that I also got these TiVo [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► engagement and engagement TiVo survey [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► things that you can sign up for where [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► they send you something once a month or [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► so and you answer survey questions that [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► has the most in named things and they [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► have little comment boxes but it's like [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► how often to use the TiVo website [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► have you found our support on the TV [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► website helpful have used our live chat [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► support no just make your product better [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► about you know what do you think we [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► should do this and I remember the only [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► good question I ever had was once is you [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► think we should would you like a way to [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► to not ever show you anything at [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► standard-def but just show you high def [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► unless there's no high def equivalent or [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► something I admitted even s that I was [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► like yes you should have done this years [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► ago your interface should be in HD you [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► should not show me standard def as an HD [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► equivalent I don't care what channel [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► things are on find it for me huh I don't [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► want to get into it again let me go [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► upset yeah so TiVo continues to lurch [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► forward I'm cautiously optimistic that [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► the Premier elite will be better I hope [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► so for you [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► for the world and more for you yeah but [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► I'll tell you what we stopped usin we [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► stopped using our TiVo you just have all [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► the kids stuff on Netflix now on [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► streaming streaming and we do have it [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► like a cable company provided DVR that [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► you know you're it's a fad but it's [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► faster and that's the thing is like [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► getting through those menus the system [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► it bogged down and the we I had an [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► external do you say eSATA or SATA no I I [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► would have had an answer before you [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► before you said both of them but now my [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► brain is conflicted well they I don't [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► say it at all but yeah I know what you [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► mean the eSATA drive that I had added to [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► it the external drive started to have [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► problems like it it you know the TiVo [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► would boot and then it got into a cycle [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► where it just kept rebooting and kept [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► rebooting like and after like the tenth [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► time of it rebooting I disconnected the [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► drive and a booted fine and told me that [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► the drive had been disconnected and if I [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► wanted to go forward without the drive [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► connected that it would whatever [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► whatever the TiVo does to marry what's [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► on the drive with what's on its internal [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► drive it's sort of irreversible once you [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► disconnect it and tell it to go forward [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► and I said okay and it lost all the [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► content that had been shared or split [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► across those drives and so I plugged the [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► drive into the machine the Mac Pro that [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► I bought from Marco has an eSATA I'll [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► say it the other way just so that I'll [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► be right half the time an eSATA port on [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► the back of it so I connected the drive [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► to that booted up the machine looked at [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► what was on the drive it seemed fine it [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► had no errors reformatted it started [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► trying to you know do a do a clone to it [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► because I figured that would put it [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► through its paces using SuperDuper to [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► clone the internal drive and halfway [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► through it just sort of went [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► unresponsive so I set out so you know [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► I'm sure it's something wrong with the [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► drive and packed up the TiVo and put it [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► away really it's sad that this is [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► supposed like nice appliance device is [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► supposed to be easy to use is actually [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► harder to use than if it was actually [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► just a media PC type setup because it [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► was a PC it would have a file system you [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► understood it would not be this weird [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► proprietary non updated [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► you know Linux thing but the if it was [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► just it was just a commodity product [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► that happened to be configured to do to [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► record television course it can't be [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► because it's got abuses CableCARD crap [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► and you have to get all these things [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► hoops you have to jump through to [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► support cable card and it just said when [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► something that's supposed to be I plug [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► it in it just works when it when it goes [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► wrong I don't think that we should even [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► allowed this external SATA stuff but [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► when it goes wrong you're stuck with the [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► situation where you even with extensive [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► skills with regular computers you can't [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► revive the thing like you have to send [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► away for the special boot disks if your [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► boot disk goes bad because it's gotta [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► have the special TiVo software on it I [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► don't like it [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► that's why I so wish that Apple would [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► make one of these things but they don't [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► want to and we discuss that re so I [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► think you put the Siri video Jason [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► Snell's Siri demo video in the show [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► notes yeah I watched that video on the [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► series stuff people I've gotten feedback [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► in both directions some people saying [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► that they think there will be a series a [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► clash and that they understand what I [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► was saying about it not being AI but [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► people not understanding that other [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► people are saying it really is AI you [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► don't understand how good it is and the [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► people in the middle who are saying I [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► it's not going to be as bad as you think [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► people will understand the limitations [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► and there won't be it won't be a big [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► deal so a lot of people saw that Siri [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► video the Jason Snell did Bri sits there [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► talking to the phone for 11 minutes or [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► so and showing you what it can do and [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► the people who thought Siri was going to [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► be a disaster and the people who thought [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► Syria is going to be awesome both cite [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► that video as proving their point I say [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► look how great Siri is in the same exact [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► video the people will say look at this [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► it shows you were right about Syria but [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► a disaster to clarify I don't think Siri [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► is going to be a disaster I think I [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► tried to emphasize in the past show I [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► think it will be extremely useful [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► I mean ignoring the dictation thing [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► alone which is just a huge boon where [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► you if you don't want to tap something [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► out with your fingers you can just speak [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► it up and I use speech recognition on my [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► Mac all the time and it's great so I [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► love that one on the phone I think it's [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► going to be extremely efficient to be [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► able to do stuff like do little [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► reminders or set alarms and stuff like [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► that without having to tap type on your [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► phone without having to put your greasy [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► little fingers on there you just have to [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► use speech for it what I was afraid of [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► is that people don't understand that [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► Siri is not human level intelligent [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► people confused when I said AI they're [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► like well of course is artificial [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► intelligence that's what Siri is look at [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► these articles it comes from SR riots [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► from military research it's hard to put [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► when I when I say artificial [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► intelligence I know I'm sort of [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► overloading the term there I mean like [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► human level artificial intelligence like [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► it's another sentient being that you can [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► talk with and that sounds silly with [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► like of course it's not it's not you [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► know we don't have a technology it's [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► it's just a computer program it's not an [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► actual person but I'm afraid that many [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► consumers don't understand that and [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► actually it's kind of an uncanny valley [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► type thing you know when it's when is [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► nothing like a person people like all at [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► really like a machine alright but as it [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► approaches something that appears to be [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► intelligent people will make that leap [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► and say oh I this is just a person I can [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► talk to whoever I want and they will [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► inevitably get to a situation where they [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► say something that another human would [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► understand perfectly but Siri doesn't [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► understand that again not talking about [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► the recognition of their speech into [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► text and talking about just the [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► semantics like Siri doesn't understand [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► what they meant or Siri does something [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► unexpected and then that's that's [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► jarring to them because they thought [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► they were talking with this little [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► intelligent you know being inside the [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► phone room and then they're yanked right [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► out of that illusion when it does [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► something stupid and they said this [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► serie is so stupid and the more times it [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► does that they feel betrayed by this [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► thing that they thought was like a [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► little person and so instead of being [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► impressed as they were that wow this is [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► I'm talking to my phone it's [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► understanding me and doing what I want [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► they it's like a backlash and they say I [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► thought it was doing what I wanted but [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► now I realize it's really stupid and [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► they'll say what it's someone at [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► somebody think of serials a series so [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► dumb I said something the other day and [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► it did something totally random and it's [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► so stupid that's the kind of backlash [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► you get it's not a rational response to [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► the quality of the product it's an [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► irrational response to their [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► expectations being raised well above [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► where they should have been and then [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► come crashing back down some other [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► people had issues with my suggestion [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► that it was like a text adventure and I [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► said no Siri understands all sorts of [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► different syntaxes you don't have to [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► phrase things in a certain way you can [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► which mix up your words [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► Jason snow in his video does the Yoda [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► type speech to show that it still [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► understands that when you you know I [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► think people are perhaps under [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► estimating text adventure games better [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► the better interactive fiction can [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► understand many more complicated [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► arrangements of sentences than [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► the very original text adventure games I [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► wasn't really talking about that people [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► are gonna have to learn that to speak in [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► a specific syntax low they will have to [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► understand the world of things that they [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► can talk to Siri about is constrained [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► and it's not a person you can't just you [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► can't just give it arbitrary tasks like [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► you couldn't assist them and the worst [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► thing about Syria though is if you had a [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► human assistant and you and you gave [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► some sort of vague instruction they can [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► ask for clarification you can discuss it [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► and you could feel confident you get [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► them to understand what you wanted Syria [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► lets you clarify in some ways but if [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► you're going down the wrong path you're [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► trying to tell s Syria to do something [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► that has no idea what you're talking [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► about and it never will you can't [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► there's no way you can clarify that so [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► we'll say we'll see if the Syria [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► backlash manifests itself in any way or [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► if people just start dazzled by the the [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► things that do work and and don't mind [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► when it fails the other thing I'll be [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► interested in is if non-technical people [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► find themselves carve out a little slice [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► of functionality that they find I know [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► technical people will they'll figure it [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► out they'll learn what it can do what it [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► can't they'll learn which of those [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► things is most useful to them and [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► they'll just sort of make a routine out [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► of using it for particular things where [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► people will decide for example I don't [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► use Siri except when I want to set up [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► reminders because that's much faster way [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► to do it from here I only use Siri to do [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► reminders to reply to short text [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► messages and to set alarm so when I cook [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► my egg or you know they'll decide which [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► things that Siri is the most efficient [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► approach for and they'll they'll start [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► using that you know I'm I'm too [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► embarrassed to talk to my phone whenever [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► any place other than in my house I'll do [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► when I'm in the house but not when I'm [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► out so you know every the technical [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► people will will figure it out I wonder [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► if the people who are not technical who [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► have no idea that the iPhone 4s is even [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► came out there's a new product or it's [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► different than anything else they just [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► end up getting a phone like a year from [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► now and it's got Siri on it after [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► playing with it or whatever if someone [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► shows it to them assuming they [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► discovered at all will they find [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► themselves using it or will they just [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► play with it for five minutes and decide [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► it's not for them that'll be interesting [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► to see how that catches on with the [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► general population there will be people [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► in the chat room we're saying that if [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► you you know we've discussed this the [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► Siri right now is only available on the [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► iPhone 4s if you try it on a four [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► you just get voice control now I forget [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► if we got into the subject but what do [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► you think is the reason for that is it a [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► physical hardware limitation or is it [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► something that just sort of sweetens the [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► pot of the 4s so I fix it finally did to [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► tear down on the forest and I looked at [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► it to see if there was anything in there [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► that I could say was hard where there [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► was serious specific nothing jumped out [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► to me doesn't mean it's not there but [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► all I saw was just in a fivesome you [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► know the memory the radio-controlled [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► chip from Qualcomm power amplifier like [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► it wasn't there wasn't some chip that [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► was labeled by the iFixit guys as and [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► here's the chip that doesn't exist in [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► any other phones that must be there for [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► the first serie there's plenty of reason [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► to limit to only a 5 devices you know [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► with a certain amount of memory because [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► I think there's some sort of memory CPU [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► overhead for it but I think the better [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► reasons limited to the 4s is oh here's [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► the mysterious thing that understands it [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► supposedly is a server component Siri [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► but I haven't seen anyone technically [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► chop apart maybe they like sit there and [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► sit there and watch you're talking about [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► like watch the traffic and see what [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► actually gets sent right right if there [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► is a service exclusively gets sent of [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► this as someone the chat room pointed [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► out that Siri was an app that you could [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► buy before was the system service so but [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► the fact that is the system service [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► means well it's got to be running all [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► the time and especially for the seat the [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► speech synthesis takes up a lot of [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► memory like just speaking if you ever go [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► to look at like the English Mac and talk [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► English Victoria I don't know it's not [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► called Mac and talk anymore but the [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► actual voice files or the fought wars [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► files for Alex for example those are [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► some pretty darn big files and I imagine [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► that it has to have some portion of [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► those in memory to do speech you know [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► when I went all right by basically but [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► voice control on the iPhone 4 right I [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► I'm sure that there is a limited amount [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► of things they can say but I mean it it [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► talks to you also does the same thing [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► that's it I don't know what but the fact [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► that Syria is in beta makes me think [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► anytime anything is in beta you want to [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► be used by a small subset of people [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► together [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► worked out of it you don't want to put [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► say there was no technical limitations [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► you wouldn't put Syria on every single [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► iOS device when it's still in beta if [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► you could help but you'd like to be used [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► by the early adopters in the best [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► possible scenario to get the kinks [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► worked out of it [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► and you know how Apple loves to not [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► backport things even if old older [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► hardware could support it it's just it's [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► easier for them from a support [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► perspective this is a new feature it's [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► not unreasonable to have it only working [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► on the new phone the fact that it can't [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► work on an iPad - maybe they think it's [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► not a useful on an iPad - or maybe you [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► know that the big test will be whether [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► the iPad 3 has Siri support I assume it [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► will just because by then the kinks will [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► be worked out and they'll say hey why [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► not [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► but like the iPad 2 has the same [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► hardware specs as the iPhone 4s as far [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► as I can tell same amount of RAM same a5 [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► system on a chip that seems to be no [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► reason why Siri wouldn't work other than [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► the fact that maybe they think it's [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► weird or silly or not useful with an [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► iPad so we'll see what they do with the [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► iPad 3 but now no smoking gun on [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► hardware components that only exists in [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► the 4s to say though they could [TS]

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00:33:56 ◼   ► people in a chat room have mentioned [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► other uses for Syria I've seen this [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► mentioned many times Siri seems like a [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► really obvious fit for a future Apple TV [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► because that their big problem with the [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► Apple TV is always some always always [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► the interface they give you that little [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► 5 way switch with the you know Direction [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► pad and a little button and that they [TS]

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00:34:19 ◼   ► do that when you just want to get to [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► something quickly it would be great if [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► you could turn on your Apple TV and just [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► yell out the name of a program and it [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► would understand you and start playing [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► it or ask for clarification you know [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► which episode blah blah blah the [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► interface television problem has not yet [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► been solved and every solution I've seen [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► tried a lot of the better ones involve [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► some expensive breakable like a you know [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► control with your iPad control with your [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► iPod Touch that's a pretty darn [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► expensive thing for $99 bucks or gonna [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► have a big expensive LCD control way for [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► it and you know unless the interface [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► exists solely on your iPad you don't [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► want to be looking up at the TV and then [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► swiping down something else [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► so boys control the natural fit and [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► certainly Macs have enough power to do [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► series so again it's question of once [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► applicants the kinks worked out of it [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► and it's out of beta does it appear in [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► Mac OS 10 does it appear in the next [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► major version does it appear as an [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► update to 10/7 what would you use it for [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► like it seems it would be useful for [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► Mac's - if you're not if you're in a [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► home office or whatever you if you just [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► tell your Macintosh just set up a [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► reminder an appointment or even just set [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► a timer and remind you of all those [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► things you can do on an iPhone it's like [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► well on the Mac you would just click on [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► Cal and enter the blob well it wouldn't [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► be nice to be able to use those the [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► speech for that - granted it's not as [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► annoying to type out things and click [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► things with the mouse and keyboard as it [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► is to do with a tiny on-screen keyboard [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► on an iPhone but it's still pretty [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► annoying and if you could talk to it [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► would work I think people would like to [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► do that what would be the the voice [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► interface for the Apple TV I mean it [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► wouldn't have a microphone and you say [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► Apple TV put on yeah that's that's part [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► of that like the Kinect problem [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► connected the sim for the Xbox that a [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► similar problem you have to put [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► something near the television that [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► people who are kind of far away from the [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► television control right so the Kinect [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► you're standing a couple feet away and [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► you're moving your body and so on and so [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► forth and it could be things between you [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► and the television and you're far away [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► and Kinect has audio as well you have to [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► eliminate noise figure out who the [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► speaker is that you know it's not the [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► guy to the side of you who's talking [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► about you should pay attention to as the [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► people in front it these are all hard [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► problems that may actually be much [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► harder than the software problem of just [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► install the Siri software the question [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► of like how do how do we put a mic and [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► some other sensors in there you know [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► like that like the Kinect has a bunch of [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► IR sensors in there and a mic plus maybe [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► a camera like Kinect is the first device [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► that's trying to do that Kinect has [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► several cameras and IR sprayer and IR [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► sprayer yes that sprays the whole room [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► with IR and looks it with two different [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► cameras and multiple microphones to [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► eliminate noise stuff like that and [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► that's a pretty large heavy weight [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► expensive solution is there something [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► Apple could do with a little tiny $99 [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► brick it would also give acceptable [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► performance you can't just take a mic on [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► the thing yeah it's very least you need [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► to for a noise elimination but even that [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► might be no good the last thing you want [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► is someone to be sitting in front of [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► television yelling oh people yelled at [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► television anybody yelling of a [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► television and expecting something then [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► does that mean that if you have an iPod [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► Touch or an iPhone that you have to talk [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► it you you configure it or do Jigar it [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► around somehow that you're talking into [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► that and it's talking to be Abe now let [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► me ask you this do these iPod Touches [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► that you have can they do airplay onto [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► the Apple TV pretty well I don't have an [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► Apple TV but they have one of them they [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► can adjust like an iPhone because I the [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► way that this is integrated now it's [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► just it's a blue it blew my kid's mind [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► that all of a sudden out of the blue [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► there's a video of him on on the TV like [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► he's seen videos of him on the iPhones [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► he's seen videos of him on the you know [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► on the computers and like that's not [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► that big of a deal to him [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► but all of a sudden seen a video of him [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► or his little baby sister on the big TV [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► he felt I could tell he felt like a [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► movie star you know like he loved it he [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► was just he was jumping up and down he [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► was beside himself uh if they can do [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► airplay you would think it wouldn't be a [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► big deal to capture some a little bit of [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► audio and send that to the Apple TV that [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► gets back to the what the having a [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► really expensive remote your iPod touch [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► costs two hundred three hundred bucks [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► and using with a $99 device the remote [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► is more expensive more fragile than the [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► thing and put you want to sell someone [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► an Apple TV and say here's the thing you [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► need you can use it right you want to [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► say here's an Apple TV oh and by the way [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► if you have a $300 phone or iPod Touch [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► you get all these other features and you [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► can talk to it oh I can I talk to the [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► $99 one why can't you build that in or [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► whatever having having some other thing [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► that is also expensive or that is an [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► accessory that not everyone will have is [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► a problem for the simplicity of the [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► product I don't I don't think these are [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► technical barriers are surmountable I'm [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► just not sure Apple thinks is going to [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► be ready for primetime maybe they're [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► playing with it but you know Apple they [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► don't like to release they wouldn't just [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► tack on a couple mics and install Siri [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► on it because it because it will run and [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► say hey Apple TV 3 now with Siri and it [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► should kind of work but if it doesn't [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► just use the remote they would want to [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► do it like they do with the phone it's [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► the phone you know the iPhone 4s it's [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► fast it's got enough memory you talk [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► right into it you don't put the iPhone [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► on the other side of the room and sit [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► down on the couch and try to use Siri [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► that's not going to work you know it's [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► right there it's an ideal situation so [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► everyone thinks speech would be great [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► for the Apple TV I'm just not sure Apple [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► will agree for a generation or two of [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► the of the device and as I said before [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► I'm probably going to get an Apple TV [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► three assuming it still has no fan and [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► it's nice and everything every what I [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► really like isn't it's an RF remote or a [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► Bluetooth remote or something other than [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► IR because they make this little black [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► box that'd be great to hide somewhere [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► but you got to have the IR sensor poking [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► out what else you got this will all [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► still follow up really main topic today [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► I thought Oh in our remaining time I [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► thought I would talk about Dart [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► you know about dart dart is this brand [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► new JavaScript infrastructure platform [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► library that Google has just announced [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► and released into the world and they [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► well I say just an internet time it was [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► like 10 years ago but I think was last [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► week [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► yeah but been a good chance to talk [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► about it because there were other things [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► going on but I figure it's worth [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► discussing [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► so I currently or in the past Google has [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► done a couple of weird things to write [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► their web applications they had have an [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► in-house toolkit that's also available [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► to the public I believe where you write [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► your applications using Java like actual [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► Java and they have a compiler that will [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► translate that to JavaScript so it can [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► run in the browser and so they get to [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► use all the tools that have been built [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► up around Java and write their [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► applications in that language and [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► language they like better and then it [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► translates it to you know compressed [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► minified obfuscated JavaScript that you [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► know runs an application I don't know [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► Gmail does this Gmail might use [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► something slightly different but they [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► have they have GWT which is their Google [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► web toolkit which is this Java thing and [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► they have similar tools that they use [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► in-house so if you ever look at the [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► source code for Gmail the gmail web page [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► is just a mess and you're like no human [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► wrote that's very similar to Google+ [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► it's clear that they're using tools that [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► produce this stuff now dart looks like [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► another crack at the same type of [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► problem they don't they don't want to [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► write the application using JavaScript [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► they want to write it in what they think [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► is a better language with better tooling [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► and then in the case of dart this [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► internal memo that leaked a while back [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► was internal Google memo was saying that [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► what they want is they want Java Script [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► to be a better language but they don't [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► feel like they can make JavaScript a [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► better language because they don't have [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► control over the process and because [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► they think that you can't evolve the [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► language as it exists today into one [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► that they find acceptable so what [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► they're going to try to do is make a new [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► language and they'll make their new [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► language compile to JavaScript so that [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► it will run on other browsers but what [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► they plan to do is on their browser on [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► Google Chrome make dart run natively so [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► they're going to try to write their [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► applications in dart like not there [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► of applications that Google users [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► encourage other people to write their [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► applications in dart and say hey use [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► dart it's a better language you can [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► still target every browser because we [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► will compile the dart into JavaScript so [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► it will run on other browsers but if you [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► run your if someone runs your [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► application using Chrome it will [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► eventually I don't think they have the [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► native VM oh yeah but it will eventually [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► have a native VM for Dart that'll you [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► know be faster lower memory use of [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► better features all all the things they [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► wanted of JavaScript they can't they [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► think they can't get so the first one is [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► internal memo leaks and people didn't [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► really know about dart there was a big [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► hubbub about you know you're trying to [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► fork the web the web is supposed to be [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► the platform without a vendor it's an [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► open platform we don't want anyone [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► controlling the web even if it's Google [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► someone we may or may not like but you [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► know it's not so no vendor is supposed [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► to control the web it's supposed to be [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► open so we don't like the idea of one [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► company making a new language and saying [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► we're going to replace JavaScript which [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► has been this you know this great boon [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► to the web and web applications because [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► it's a standards body controls it and it [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► just you know everyone supports it and [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► you could target target any web browser [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► with it and now Google wants to make [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► their own thing we don't like that we [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► don't like you know I'm imagine if Apple [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► had done this in the old days so oh [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► there it goes Apple again making their [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► proprietary stuff they can't use open [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► standards they have to have their own [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► thing so there was a lot of backlash [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► from that and then I think a couple days [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► ago they released the specs for the [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► language and said okay well here that [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► thing we were talking about while back [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► where everyone was getting angry well [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► here's the actual language so people [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► could finally take a look at the [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► language and start talking about it in [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► isolation ignoring the fact of whether [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► it's a good idea to try to replace [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► JavaScript or control the web stuff like [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► that what was the language like it's a [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► language any good I've tried to look at [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► as much as I can about the language but [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► I haven't actually used it to do [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► anything so I can't say too much about [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► it except to link to other people's [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► opinion so in the show notes they put [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► one person's analysis of the language [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► that happens to be a a Perl person [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► because I tend to travel in those [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► circles and I also trust Perl people's [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► views on languages simply because as [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► I've said in previous programs I think [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► especially people involved in Perl six [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► are on I don't excite the cutting edge [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► but they're on sort of the bleeding edge [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► so what you're saying Perl developers [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► are on [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► the cutting-edge of six developers in [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► particular on the bleeding edge of [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► language design because they have the [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► luxury of being that way because they [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► don't they don't have a language that [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► you Justin use by thousands of people [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► and it's kind of its kind of like a [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► research project you know I don't want [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► to get in trouble with the projects [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► people I said there's no implementation [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► there is you can download it but it's [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► not complete it's not you know is it [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► ready for production what does that even [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► mean I don't even get into that debate [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► but the point is Perl 6 has lots of [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► interesting advanced features a language [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► that's not caught up with because [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► languages that had to exist in the real [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► world most of the ones we're using today [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► were invented a long long time ago like [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► JavaScript is from the 90s so that's [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► that's a relatively young language but [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► is still decade or more old right and it [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► was created kind of on a whim by a guy [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► who I don't know how many other [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► languages was a Brendan Eich Brendan [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► Eich someone in any chatroom will [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► correct me but the creator of JavaScript [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► was not someone who had who was a [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► language designer by trade and created [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► tons of languages I don't think you know [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► it's kind of it's just kind of [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► accidental it's like well that's the one [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► that got popular shipped in Netscape [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► Navigator has Java in the name because [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► Java was popular back then it's like [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► it's this weird tortured history and we [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► talked about this in the unproduced [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► programming shows like the languages [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► that are popular are not popular because [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► of the quality of the language is a [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► popular for reasons that are that are [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► unrelated to the qualities language but [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► turn out to be much more important in [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► terms of adoption developer tools the [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► platform was built on what you could use [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► this language for accidents of history [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► right place right time someone the chat [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► room is saying javascript was his first [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► try and I was Brendan Eich so Google has [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► not been afraid to make new languages [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► they made that new go language because [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► they thought C was low clunky I'm afraid [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► to shave off a couple the sharp edges to [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► see it could be really cool and add some [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► concurrency and make a nice 2d program [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► and their content to sort of use that [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► in-house all right so with dart the this [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► this the thing I linked to from a perl [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► guy he's comparing it to any time a new [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► language comes out understandably the [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► peril six guy or someone familiar with [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► like the cutting edge of languages is [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► going to say all right so this is the [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► language supported by a big company if [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► anybody has the clout to make something [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► successful or to at least make a good [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► environment with good tools and all that [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► stuff it's a big company like Google [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► so let's see if this language is cool [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► and has all the cool stuff that I like [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► that you know for example some cool [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► stuff from Perl 6 that is not going [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► anywhere in Perl 6 it seems like right [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► now [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► we'll be great at Google behind a [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► similar language and the people who are [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► into other languages to look at the same [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► why people aren't a Haskell or other [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► functional programming languages or [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► closure or you know any of these new [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► modern languages that have things that [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► make language nerds excited when when [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► those people look at dart what they see [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► is not something that's very exciting to [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► them the functional programming people [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► and the mathematicians don't like it [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► because it doesn't push all their [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► buttons about provable correctness with [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► the type system and all sorts of other [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► mathematical concepts that they think [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► are essential for a good programming [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► language the dark decides is not [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► essential and they and dart comes around [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► and says we we didn't do those things we [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► don't think it's important to have that [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► kind of a type system sorry [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► and the Perl six people look at it and [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► say well it's it's class-based and uses [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► interfaces just like Java and didn't we [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► all learn that interfaces are kind of [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► lame and you know class space oo is not [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► great and you know Perl systems I wanted [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► to use roles everyone knows about roles [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► and traits and stuff I think we've [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► talked about in previous shows they're [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► much better than classes in interface [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► then the type system even even the Perl [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► six people come down in that they say [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► well you got this typing words like [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► optional typing which on its server this [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► looks a lot like what Perl 6 wants to do [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► what Perl 6 wants to do is have optional [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► types for things like have an actual [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► type system but it's optional you can [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► just say I was just a variable and part [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► we'll figure it out and the whole point [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► of the types in Perl 6 or one of the big [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► points one of the parts that I got it [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► most excited about personally about [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► types and Pro 6 was that it was supposed [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► to give the language enough information [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► to potentially do optimizations so if [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► you say something is an integer it can [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► maybe use a native integer for that [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► internally and not have to treat it like [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► a big magic variable that could be a [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► number could be a string could be any of [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► the other things but in dart the types [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► are really optional in that they [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► basically don't matter it's just kind of [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► like a form of documentation the URL [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► that I linked to with the guy [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► criticizing dark holes at feeble typing [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► and so instead of weak typing or strong [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► typing or static typing or dynamic I [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► think it's feeble typing it's just [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► barely there it's almost just like a [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► form of execution form of execution form [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► of documentation and they have a static [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► type checker that you can run on it but [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► it doesn't actually call your program [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► not to be compiled if you have a type [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► error [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► just kind of like a helpful aid and they [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► the dark Google presents art is like oh [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► you can start out with like a simple [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► program where you don't care about types [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► and just prototype but then as it [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► becomes a serious application of course [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► you add types and then our static [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► checker will check that your types are [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► correct and so on and so forth but in [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► the end it's going to compile the [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► JavaScript which has no concept of types [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► like that uh and it's not you know so it [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► doesn't doesn't make anybody happy it [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► doesn't make the dynamic programming [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► people happy because even they think [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► optional types should be more like [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► apparel sex and it doesn't make the [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► functional programming or statically [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► type people happy because because it's [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► not the bondage and discipline that they [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► want and it's not functionally pure and [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► provably correct and you know like [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► Haskell people and everything on what I [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► wanted one of the funnier things that he [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► pointed out about it which I wouldn't [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► affect up on my own but he did is that [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► uh so you've been a programmer for a [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► while right now I guess I mean started [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► when I was a little kid so when you want [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► to want to do an infinite loop you want [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► to write an infinite loop that you're [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► going to break out of internally on some [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► condition all right what what construct [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► you use for that an infinite loop you [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► would use I mean something that's going [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► to check for something and then bust out [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► of it you would you say well maybe a [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► while right and what would you put in a [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► conditional for the while if you wanted [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► it to never break out yeah you're gonna [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► break it all just ruling it well false [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► it's usually false depends on language [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► so no quiz I'm just well this is like a [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► check for the condition it is you're not [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► going to be true anymore and then you [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► bust out of it no but like it so you're [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► going to write an outer loop that's [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► infinite and then inside it you're going [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► to say if some condition blah blah blah [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► you're going to break out it likes it [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► yeah so so the loop the loop itself when [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► you have to write a loop that gets [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► entered on the first try and unless [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► there's some flow control tied inside [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► the loop how will it break out so people [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► you've said they while people chatting [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► awhile true or wild one right and then [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► inside you break out of it right and the [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► if you are a programming stickler nerd [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► obsessive-compulsive that would be me [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► early on your programming career you [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► would have run across people who said oh [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► actually and this is like C in [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► particular but lots of languages borrow [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► from C oh don't don't do wild one [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► instead do four open paren semicolon [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► semicolon closed parens have you seen [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► that construct before [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► right and I'll say that's better because [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► that you know we don't want magic [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► numbers in our code we don't want that [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► while one they're right because what if [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► what if someday one is in true aníbal [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► right which sounds ridiculous but if [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► you're obsessive and a nerd you say yeah [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► you know what for semicolon semicolon [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► actually is cleaner because it doesn't [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► require any magic numbers and it's a [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► clean construct and it's kind of [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► idiomatic and I like idioms and [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► programming languages so for years I've [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► been doing in in you know I think I've [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► even done in Perl but you know in C [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► based languages and stuff doing for an [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► empty for instead of while one just [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► because it pushes my anal retentive [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► buttons about cleanliness and semantics [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► and everything but if anyone challenges [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► me on that I'm going to go what do you [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► mean if one isn't false that's so stupid [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► obviously won't you like yeah they're [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► not going to change the language so that [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► one is false while one but then suddenly [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► your program breaks because one it's [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► false it's stupid right well in dart the [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► only value that that is true in a [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► boolean sense is the they have a special [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► keyword true the put literal boolean [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► true everything else is false including [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► one so if you do if one or while one the [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► block of that will not execute because [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► one is not true right so this this is [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► like a weird vindication of the Indian [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► or retentive practice of using an empty [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► for loop or something as your [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► conditional because here's a language [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► where literally while one you want into [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► that loop or if one you will not people [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► not execute that conditional which is [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► just kind of perverse yeah they have [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► other weird stuff going on in language [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► too where they have operator overloading [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► but not type coercion overloading so you [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► can have situations where this is in the [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► article too where you can have if a [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► equals equals a have that condition be [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► false because there's no type coercion [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► and and someone overrode that operator [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► lots of weird stuff that has it has to [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► do with the fact that it has to compile [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► the JavaScript I assume but the bottom [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► line on dart as a language is that I [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► don't think many people are getting [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► excited about dart the language itself [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► you said if you just said ignore you [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► know this come out of nowhere here's in [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► the language and I call it dark people [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► would say this is a cruddy language to [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► take some of the things I hate about [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► Java and some of the things I hate about [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► C and C++ and pushes them into this [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► weird Frankenstein beasts and I don't [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► understand why you have these crazy [TS]