60: Reversing the Polarity


00:00:00   [Music] [TS]

00:00:02   this is hypercritical weekly talkshow [TS]

00:00:04   ruminating on exactly what is wrong in [TS]

00:00:06   the world of apple introduces nothing is [TS]

00:00:10   so perfect that it can't be complained [TS]

00:00:12   about by my co-host John siracusa today [TS]

00:00:16   is Friday [TS]

00:00:17   it's March 23rd 2012 this is episode [TS]

00:00:20   number 60 we'd like to say thanks to our [TS]

00:00:23   three sponsors today freshbooks comm get [TS]

00:00:27   box hitbox app comm and BB edit from the [TS]

00:00:32   guise of bare-bones tell me more about [TS]

00:00:34   them as the show continues hello John [TS]

00:00:36   siracusa oh damn Enderman how's your day [TS]

00:00:40   going today it's hot hot day yeah [TS]

00:00:45   supposed to be in the mid 70s today Wow [TS]

00:00:48   oh how you stand it yep gonna have a [TS]

00:00:53   short show today that's what's gonna [TS]

00:00:54   happen what do you think of that well [TS]

00:00:57   I'll believe it when I believe it yeah [TS]

00:00:59   me too [TS]

00:01:00   that's the plan raiveer some follow up [TS]

00:01:04   absolutely [TS]

00:01:06   okay this show is mostly follow up this [TS]

00:01:09   one and one small topic at the end do [TS]

00:01:14   you feel like that you will clear out [TS]

00:01:15   all of the follow up and you'll be able [TS]

00:01:17   to start fresh now because they keep [TS]

00:01:20   sending more every week I see is that [TS]

00:01:22   the problem with if no one ever responds [TS]

00:01:24   the show with emails or tweets or [TS]

00:01:27   whatever then there'll be no follow up [TS]

00:01:28   so in a way it's it's very much a user [TS]

00:01:30   driven show it's a responsive show [TS]

00:01:33   responsive and at least at least the [TS]

00:01:36   first half of each one is because what [TS]

00:01:38   they're responding to is usually not [TS]

00:01:39   follow up from the previous show it's [TS]

00:01:40   whatever I talked about whatever new [TS]

00:01:42   stuff I talked about alright first bit [TS]

00:01:47   is about I'm the iOS version of iPhoto I [TS]

00:01:51   talked about how the app was little the [TS]

00:01:54   UI of the app was a little inscrutable [TS]

00:01:55   to me and I couldn't quite figure out [TS]

00:01:56   how to do everything and one of the [TS]

00:01:57   things I talked about was my inability [TS]

00:01:59   to discover that you could take the [TS]

00:02:01   thumbnails and change them from one side [TS]

00:02:03   to the other I couldn't figure out what [TS]

00:02:04   gesture did that and someone in amnon on [TS]

00:02:08   Twitter said that the only way that you [TS]

00:02:11   can drag the thing for one side to the [TS]

00:02:12   other is [TS]

00:02:13   to grab the little titlebar handle thing [TS]

00:02:16   on the thumbnails and move it and you [TS]

00:02:20   know that's not a difficult gesture why [TS]

00:02:21   was I not grasping that and so I looked [TS]

00:02:24   at it and he's right and the reason I [TS]

00:02:25   was confused by it was that when I saw [TS]

00:02:28   the video it looked just like this big [TS]

00:02:30   sweeping gesture so I just make this [TS]

00:02:31   grand sweeping gesture with my finger [TS]

00:02:33   and it would work sometimes because if [TS]

00:02:34   you start the drag in the little handle [TS]

00:02:36   area but then quickly leave it it still [TS]

00:02:38   works [TS]

00:02:39   so I was fooling myself into thinking [TS]

00:02:41   there was a complicated gesture to do [TS]

00:02:43   this when in reality is a very [TS]

00:02:44   constrained gesture you have to start in [TS]

00:02:46   a little grippy area after that you can [TS]

00:02:48   leave it I guess so part of the iOS [TS]

00:02:52   thing is without mouse cursor to see in [TS]

00:02:54   a demonstration is not only clear what [TS]

00:02:56   the person is doing to the iOS [TS]

00:02:58   application that's why I kind of like [TS]

00:02:59   those screencasts where they have the [TS]

00:03:01   little circle that shows where the [TS]

00:03:02   person's finger is and like this little [TS]

00:03:04   I know what you call it little rings go [TS]

00:03:06   out from it but you can see with when [TS]

00:03:08   they tap with their finger or something [TS]

00:03:09   those are very useful so thanks I am [TS]

00:03:12   known for that direction [TS]

00:03:12   and speaking of iOS for iPhone mere [TS]

00:03:15   minutes before the show began today [TS]

00:03:17   steven frank co-founder of panic made [TS]

00:03:20   two tweets he said this is Saturn Oh [TS]

00:03:22   who's talking - he's talking to the [TS]

00:03:23   Twitterverse in general he says I [TS]

00:03:25   thought you were exaggerating but iPhoto [TS]

00:03:26   for iOS really is bizarre the cloud [TS]

00:03:28   slider amuses me though I have no idea [TS]

00:03:30   what it does I think he's referring to [TS]

00:03:32   some of those little slider controls [TS]

00:03:34   there it has like a cloud background and [TS]

00:03:35   you slide the little cloud back and [TS]

00:03:37   forth on this weird colored field but [TS]

00:03:39   it's interesting looking but he has no [TS]

00:03:40   idea what it does and then he followed [TS]

00:03:42   that up right after a couple seconds [TS]

00:03:43   later saying but whenever I criticize [TS]

00:03:45   weird I owe s you why there's always a [TS]

00:03:47   nagging concern that maybe I'm just too [TS]

00:03:49   old and everyone else understands [TS]

00:03:50   immediately I don't know is that the [TS]

00:03:52   case I seen a lot of people puzzled by [TS]

00:03:55   the iPhone or iOS UI upon first seeing [TS]

00:03:58   it and I think Apple acknowledges that [TS]

00:03:59   with the with the prominent help and [TS]

00:04:01   tool tips I can't think of another Apple [TS]

00:04:03   iOS app I've seen that has a button that [TS]

00:04:06   springs up little yellow explanations of [TS]

00:04:09   what everything on the screen does now [TS]

00:04:10   they didn't have to do that for mail or [TS]

00:04:13   Safari or [TS]

00:04:14   any of the other out even even iMovie [TS]

00:04:16   design but we have that I don't know I [TS]

00:04:17   haven't played with it so I don't think [TS]

00:04:19   it's just me and Steven and the other [TS]

00:04:21   old people I think that it really is a [TS]

00:04:23   weird UI but again I don't think that's [TS]

00:04:25   necessarily bad it's just [TS]

00:04:27   there's a steeper learning curve I think [TS]

00:04:29   once you get used to it and know what [TS]

00:04:30   everything does it will be okay [TS]

00:04:34   Connor Porter says that I have a total [TS]

00:04:37   misunderstanding of a smart cover when I [TS]

00:04:40   was discussing I don't know which [TS]

00:04:41   particular here's what he says is in a [TS]

00:04:43   tweet so it's compressed removed smart [TS]

00:04:45   cover fold into a triangle pinch metal [TS]

00:04:47   bar between fingers and wipe screen have [TS]

00:04:50   you ever have you ever heard of this or [TS]

00:04:51   done it yourself I have not done I've [TS]

00:04:54   never heard of this I've never heard of [TS]

00:04:55   anyone doing it but as soon as I started [TS]

00:04:56   googling around sure enough you can find [TS]

00:04:58   lots of people taking their smart cover [TS]

00:04:59   off folding into a triangle shape using [TS]

00:05:02   the metal magnetic spine thing to hold [TS]

00:05:04   it and using it like a like a squeegee [TS]

00:05:07   or a chamois to zoom out a chamois a [TS]

00:05:10   challenge with Shannon it was like a [TS]

00:05:12   claw yeah it absorbs the liquid from [TS]

00:05:15   after you dry your car and you're like a [TS]

00:05:17   squeegee though because a chemise uh you [TS]

00:05:20   know it's like a squeegee but I think [TS]

00:05:21   it's like a chamois squeegee pushes the [TS]

00:05:23   water off of a flat surface the chamois [TS]

00:05:26   absorbs the liquid and I think this [TS]

00:05:29   thing is absorbing your finger grease [TS]

00:05:30   and just microfiber terrible yeah so I [TS]

00:05:35   responded that I thought that was [TS]

00:05:36   ridiculous that you would remove your [TS]

00:05:38   cover and fashioned it into a cleaning [TS]

00:05:40   device and use it to wipe your screen [TS]

00:05:42   down that's how you get rid of lines do [TS]

00:05:44   you find that there you're creating a [TS]

00:05:47   lot of smudging on the screen is this a [TS]

00:05:51   problem for you or for people do you [TS]

00:05:53   think I don't think it's a problem in [TS]

00:05:55   general because first of all you've seen [TS]

00:05:56   like the general population if you [TS]

00:05:59   divide the population into screen [TS]

00:06:01   touches and on screen touches this is [TS]

00:06:02   before touch space devices and I think [TS]

00:06:05   there are more screen touches than on [TS]

00:06:06   screen touches yeah the picky geeks like [TS]

00:06:08   us didn't want people touching our [TS]

00:06:09   computer monitors but if you just went [TS]

00:06:11   through the average office and looked at [TS]

00:06:13   all the computer screens their cover [TS]

00:06:14   with fingerprints so even screens that [TS]

00:06:16   you didn't have to touch people had no [TS]

00:06:18   problem touching and smudging up now [TS]

00:06:20   that you were supposed to touch the [TS]

00:06:21   screens I I rarely see people [TS]

00:06:24   complaining about it and it doesn't [TS]

00:06:25   bother me that much on the iPad it [TS]

00:06:28   bothers me more on the iPod touch and I [TS]

00:06:30   don't know why maybe it's because like I [TS]

00:06:32   hold it closer to my face and I can and [TS]

00:06:34   I catch more of it on an angle or [TS]

00:06:35   whatever or maybe maybe there's a Smart [TS]

00:06:37   Cover mostly keeping the screen clean [TS]

00:06:41   people's fingers produce different [TS]

00:06:43   amounts of oils and different types of [TS]

00:06:45   oils so I think it all comes down to [TS]

00:06:47   who's using it and then what their [TS]

00:06:50   tolerances for smudges but in general I [TS]

00:06:51   don't see this as a problem and should [TS]

00:06:53   you know how much press any possible [TS]

00:06:56   problem with any of Apple's iOS devices [TS]

00:06:57   gets so surely if this was actually a [TS]

00:06:59   concern someone would have written a [TS]

00:07:02   sensational story about it Apple's iOS [TS]

00:07:04   device is rendered useless by finger [TS]

00:07:05   spoo I don't think that is the headline [TS]

00:07:07   that I've seen so I think it just [TS]

00:07:10   doesn't bother people Chris Porter also [TS]

00:07:13   says that he agrees with me that the [TS]

00:07:14   hinges the little little hinges on the [TS]

00:07:16   Smart Cover can crack glass because his [TS]

00:07:18   dad did that ooh so that's bad and the [TS]

00:07:22   aluminum does get scratched I knew that [TS]

00:07:24   because I've done that all right well [TS]

00:07:28   mark booth is the stand-in for the [TS]

00:07:30   ongoing angst over the iPad name you [TS]

00:07:34   would think this would die but no I [TS]

00:07:35   continue to get lots of feedback about [TS]

00:07:37   it and I put him as a stand-in because [TS]

00:07:40   he covers all the bases I'll cover them [TS]

00:07:41   again [TS]

00:07:42   ah um I read the wrong name that's not [TS]

00:07:47   what Marc booths problem is rewind reset [TS]

00:07:50   okay Marc booth wrote a blog post about [TS]

00:07:53   the iPad particularly about the Smart [TS]

00:07:56   Cover and he discovered that his a smart [TS]

00:08:01   cover or some smart covers that were [TS]

00:08:03   purchased before the introduction of the [TS]

00:08:05   iPad the new iPad don't work the right [TS]

00:08:08   way with the new iPad because they don't [TS]

00:08:10   do the wake-sleep thing correctly and so [TS]

00:08:13   he investigated this and found that some [TS]

00:08:15   iPad 2 customers were having issues with [TS]

00:08:18   their iPads entering sleep mode when [TS]

00:08:20   they flipped the cover around to the [TS]

00:08:21   back like they're opening the smart [TS]

00:08:23   cover and just wrapping around to the [TS]

00:08:24   back and the thing would go back to [TS]

00:08:25   sleep and that was because the theory [TS]

00:08:28   goes that the magnets in the smart cover [TS]

00:08:30   were like sort of reaching around and [TS]

00:08:32   activating the little sleep magnet [TS]

00:08:35   trigger that's on the front of the iPad [TS]

00:08:36   so sometime in 2011 sometime last year [TS]

00:08:39   Apple changed all its smart covers and [TS]

00:08:41   change the polarity of the magnets that [TS]

00:08:44   make the thing go to sleep so that when [TS]

00:08:46   it's wrapped around on the back it has [TS]

00:08:49   less of a chance of activating it and [TS]

00:08:50   the iPad 3 apparently is sensitive to [TS]

00:08:53   that polarity [TS]

00:08:54   if you have one of the old Smart Covers [TS]

00:08:56   that doesn't have the reverse polarity [TS]

00:08:57   magnet in that particular thing it won't [TS]

00:09:00   put the thing to sleep and wake it up so [TS]

00:09:02   what he did was ripped open his Smart [TS]

00:09:03   Cover and flipped around the magnet [TS]

00:09:05   thing so it's upside-down in that last [TS]

00:09:06   panel to confirm his hypothesis that [TS]

00:09:08   reversing the polarity of the magnitude [TS]

00:09:10   works you thought reversing the polarity [TS]

00:09:12   was something I only did on Star Trek [TS]

00:09:13   but here's an actual legitimate use of [TS]

00:09:15   reversing the polarity that actually [TS]

00:09:17   solved the problem so I put a link to [TS]

00:09:20   his blog post in the show notes and he [TS]

00:09:22   is not the one who complained about the [TS]

00:09:23   name but we will get to that later in [TS]

00:09:25   the follow up let me read what these [TS]

00:09:29   people say before I read their name so [TS]

00:09:32   Robert Mooney was the first person to [TS]

00:09:34   tell me that the Apple TV has a feature [TS]

00:09:36   that allows it to learn a different [TS]

00:09:38   remote I blast sure I complained a lot [TS]

00:09:40   about the Apple TV remote and we'll have [TS]

00:09:42   more on that later in the follow up but [TS]

00:09:45   he was the very first person to respond [TS]

00:09:46   to me by Twitter that if I go in to [TS]

00:09:48   Settings General remotes learn remote [TS]

00:09:49   there's a really cool interface where [TS]

00:09:51   you get the different functions of the [TS]

00:09:54   remote like up down left right and [TS]

00:09:56   select you go through them one at a time [TS]

00:09:58   and you basically point the remote that [TS]

00:09:59   you want to use and it says please press [TS]

00:10:00   the button that you would like to be up [TS]

00:10:02   so you hold down the button that's [TS]

00:10:03   supposed to be up in a little progress [TS]

00:10:04   bar fills then it goes to the next thing [TS]

00:10:06   says press the button that you want to [TS]

00:10:08   be down so you hold the down button the [TS]

00:10:09   progress bar fails so what I did was I [TS]

00:10:11   pulled out one of my many old TiVo [TS]

00:10:14   remotes and because I wanted to use that [TS]

00:10:16   to control the Apple TV and I just set [TS]

00:10:18   it up to use the Apple TV that it has a [TS]

00:10:20   five-way thing so I used up down left [TS]

00:10:22   right and select and as another screen [TS]

00:10:24   for a setting what do you want to be [TS]

00:10:25   fast-forward rewind skip forward skip [TS]

00:10:28   backwards stop play pause the only one [TS]

00:10:30   was stopped because it's not really a [TS]

00:10:31   stop button on the TiVo remote there's [TS]

00:10:33   just a pause so that worked great and it [TS]

00:10:36   allowed me to take my take the Apple TV [TS]

00:10:39   remote out of the room and not have to [TS]

00:10:40   have it there at all and not have to [TS]

00:10:41   worry about all the things that I didn't [TS]

00:10:43   like about it the only wrinkle what my [TS]

00:10:45   setup was that I actually configured the [TS]

00:10:47   same TiVo remote two times because I [TS]

00:10:49   wasn't I couldn't decide which button I [TS]

00:10:51   wanted to use as the Menu button on the [TS]

00:10:54   Apple TV remote the menu button is like [TS]

00:10:56   down into the left from from the center [TS]

00:10:59   of the the 5y pad back into the left [TS]

00:11:02   down into the left oh I see and there is [TS]

00:11:05   a button down into the left on the TiVo [TS]

00:11:06   remote [TS]

00:11:07   it's the aspect button I think and I [TS]

00:11:09   said one I just use that once then it's [TS]

00:11:10   like muscle memory for like where the [TS]

00:11:12   thing is on both remotes but but the [TS]

00:11:14   button that I tend to use to go back on [TS]

00:11:16   the TiVo remote is the TiVo button the [TS]

00:11:18   very top center button so I wanted to [TS]

00:11:21   program both of them to do menu and I [TS]

00:11:23   had to set up the same remote twice to [TS]

00:11:25   do that because you go through the setup [TS]

00:11:26   once and pick one of the buttons then go [TS]

00:11:27   through the whole setup again a second [TS]

00:11:28   time with the exact same remote but [TS]

00:11:30   simply make a different choice for the [TS]

00:11:32   menu button so now I have my TiVo remote [TS]

00:11:34   working with my Apple TV and two [TS]

00:11:36   possible buttons I can use to go back [TS]

00:11:39   the only thing I had to do is label this [TS]

00:11:41   remote so it's distinguishable from the [TS]

00:11:43   actual TiVo remote by the people who are [TS]

00:11:45   how did you label it my wife has a label [TS]

00:11:48   maker thing I just wrote Apple TV on a [TS]

00:11:50   little label and stuck it on it so the [TS]

00:11:52   kids can tell the difference the adults [TS]

00:11:53   could tell because the that there are [TS]

00:11:55   different buttons on the two TV remotes [TS]

00:11:57   the one for the premiere has like the [TS]

00:11:59   colored buttons and this is an old one [TS]

00:12:00   from the terminal TiVo HD and it doesn't [TS]

00:12:03   have the colored buttons umm the only [TS]

00:12:07   tricky part for the TiVo thing and I [TS]

00:12:09   already went through this so I didn't [TS]

00:12:10   have to relearn it is of course I have a [TS]

00:12:13   TiVo sitting in front of the TV and in [TS]

00:12:15   general any TiVo remote will control any [TS]

00:12:18   TiVo so first thing I had to do was [TS]

00:12:20   convince one of my spare TiVo remotes [TS]

00:12:22   not to are convinced my tebow not to [TS]

00:12:26   accept signals from this TiVo remote and [TS]

00:12:28   if you google for that there's this [TS]

00:12:29   crazy procedure that is very confusing [TS]

00:12:32   and the most most confusing thing is [TS]

00:12:33   that when you're on the screen there's [TS]

00:12:35   like the the TiVo information screen [TS]

00:12:36   when you're on that screen almost [TS]

00:12:39   anything you do with any TiVo remote [TS]

00:12:40   will tell the TiVo oh I better listen to [TS]

00:12:42   this one and I guess that's so people [TS]

00:12:45   don't lock themselves out of their TiVo [TS]

00:12:46   like if you if you accidentally do [TS]

00:12:47   something with TiVo remote and then [TS]

00:12:48   you've convinced your TiVo not to listen [TS]

00:12:50   to it how do you convince it to start [TS]

00:12:51   listening to it again like you have no [TS]

00:12:53   way to input this there's not many [TS]

00:12:54   buttons on the front of the thing so [TS]

00:12:56   that screen is it errors on the side of [TS]

00:12:59   not locking you out so if you touch a [TS]

00:13:01   TiVo remote at all the T that the TiVo [TS]

00:13:03   goes oh I better listen to that remote [TS]

00:13:05   so you really have to follow this [TS]

00:13:06   regimented procedure of like set the [TS]

00:13:08   number on this thing but this thing by [TS]

00:13:09   blocking you you know don't allow the IR [TS]

00:13:11   to go out shove the thing behind the [TS]

00:13:12   couch cushion and do the buttons but [TS]

00:13:14   then you know so it can be done and I [TS]

00:13:16   encourage everyone to Google around for [TS]

00:13:17   how to do that TiVo site has [TS]

00:13:18   instructions your TiVo manual itself has [TS]

00:13:20   instructions but [TS]

00:13:21   it is possible to configure a TiVo [TS]

00:13:25   remote not to control one or more TiVo's [TS]

00:13:27   actually if you have a remote that has a [TS]

00:13:29   little switch on it is like a one-two [TS]

00:13:30   switch you can use the same TV remote to [TS]

00:13:32   control two different things but believe [TS]

00:13:34   it or not the Premier Li remote does not [TS]

00:13:36   have a switch on it so I had to actually [TS]

00:13:38   have to TiVo remotes down here so [TS]

00:13:44   finally here we are [TS]

00:13:45   James Scout yadi he's the one who I'm [TS]

00:13:50   using as my standing for complaining [TS]

00:13:51   about iPad numbers a lot a lot of people [TS]

00:13:53   have the complaint that they think this [TS]

00:13:54   works for Macs like iMac doesn't have a [TS]

00:13:56   number at the end of it or whatever [TS]

00:13:57   because they don't sell multiple [TS]

00:13:59   generations of hardware alongside each [TS]

00:14:00   other so the model that's currently on [TS]

00:14:02   sale is always the new one by definition [TS]

00:14:04   now I kept trying to look this up and it [TS]

00:14:07   was difficult to tell from that I was [TS]

00:14:08   looking it up on like these you know [TS]

00:14:09   every Mac comm or low end Mac comm and [TS]

00:14:12   the Mac tracker application but my [TS]

00:14:15   memory is that they sold the white [TS]

00:14:17   MacBook alongside the aluminum MacBook [TS]

00:14:19   for some period of time and they were [TS]

00:14:21   both called MacBook and they would call [TS]

00:14:22   one of them white or whatever is that [TS]

00:14:23   your recollection as well that's mine as [TS]

00:14:25   well but they were different products [TS]

00:14:27   they were and they were all in the [TS]

00:14:29   MacBook family but they were they were [TS]

00:14:32   separate versions it wasn't like one was [TS]

00:14:35   old one was new although one might have [TS]

00:14:37   been older and newer [TS]

00:14:39   they were separate right but so I'm not [TS]

00:14:43   I'm not disagreeing with you I'm [TS]

00:14:44   agreeing with uh [TS]

00:14:46   yeah it's hard to say like it well the [TS]

00:14:48   thing is since they're so visually [TS]

00:14:49   different and since you could say well [TS]

00:14:50   like that one's just a white one you [TS]

00:14:52   know that what say the iPad 4 comes out [TS]

00:14:54   it looks exactly like the iPad 3 people [TS]

00:14:58   would say well that's different because [TS]

00:14:59   the white MacBook it's made of a [TS]

00:15:01   different material ones plastic and one [TS]

00:15:02   is metal so it was clear to tell [TS]

00:15:03   difference even though I think they're [TS]

00:15:05   both they both were called MacBook and [TS]

00:15:06   then maybe they had some stuff in [TS]

00:15:07   parenthesis I don't know it's it's a [TS]

00:15:13   it's a tough call on whether it's the [TS]

00:15:15   same situation or not and so he [TS]

00:15:18   continues this isn't the case with the [TS]

00:15:19   OTT with iPads or iPhones where they [TS]

00:15:21   keep the previous generation around the [TS]

00:15:22   lower price points and so they've done [TS]

00:15:23   this with three generations but you can [TS]

00:15:25   get a 3GS now a four and a 4s for [TS]

00:15:27   example with the phones [TS]

00:15:27   how will they differentiate next year's [TS]

00:15:30   new iPad from today's that's a a common [TS]

00:15:32   refrain from everybody [TS]

00:15:33   and how will they differentiate if they [TS]

00:15:34   have three models say they keep selling [TS]

00:15:36   the two then they keep selling the three [TS]

00:15:38   and then they sell before so you've got [TS]

00:15:40   one call two and then one call the iPad [TS]

00:15:41   one called iPad many people have pointed [TS]

00:15:45   out how this is unprecedented in many [TS]

00:15:46   other things not just Apple's hardware [TS]

00:15:50   but also cars and stuff cars is a little [TS]

00:15:52   bit fuzzier because when they make a new [TS]

00:15:54   platform like we talked about last time [TS]

00:15:55   with the new BMW 3-series platform what [TS]

00:15:58   they do with the 911 or whatever the [TS]

00:16:00   Porsche 911 they don't immediately don't [TS]

00:16:04   always immediately put every single car [TS]

00:16:06   onto the new platform so for example on [TS]

00:16:08   the BMW 3-series they make the 3-series [TS]

00:16:10   sedan they make the 3-series coupe they [TS]

00:16:12   make the m3 which is a sporty er version [TS]

00:16:14   they make it convertible and they also [TS]

00:16:16   make a convertible m3 and when the new [TS]

00:16:19   platform comes out say oh that you know [TS]

00:16:21   the f30 BMW 3-series is out you can't [TS]

00:16:23   run out and get a convertible at m3 [TS]

00:16:26   version of that car [TS]

00:16:27   they sort of dole them out so the first [TS]

00:16:29   thing that comes out as the four-door [TS]

00:16:30   sedan and then maybe the coupe and then [TS]

00:16:32   the m3 after that and and same thing [TS]

00:16:34   with the 911s you can't always get the [TS]

00:16:36   911 turbo immediately when the new 911s [TS]

00:16:38   go on sale and so then you have a period [TS]

00:16:42   of time where if you were to go into a [TS]

00:16:43   BMW dealership they would say hot you [TS]

00:16:47   might say I'm interested in a small [TS]

00:16:49   convertible I said well here we have the [TS]

00:16:51   BMW 3-series convertible and you would [TS]

00:16:53   buy it and they would sell it to you [TS]

00:16:54   even though then it's not based on the [TS]

00:16:57   new 3-series platform because they [TS]

00:16:59   simply haven't come out with a [TS]

00:17:00   convertible version of that yet I don't [TS]

00:17:01   think they stopped making those and I [TS]

00:17:03   don't think they just say all sell our [TS]

00:17:04   old stock I think they continue to [TS]

00:17:05   manufacture the old 90 platform 3-series [TS]

00:17:10   convertibles I'm not sure someone who [TS]

00:17:12   knows more about BMWs can tell me but [TS]

00:17:13   certainly I do know that when they Rev [TS]

00:17:16   the platform which is sort of like they [TS]

00:17:18   did with the iPad 3 you know when it's [TS]

00:17:20   got a new screen and your CPU or you [TS]

00:17:22   know new GPU and the CPU more RAM all [TS]

00:17:24   that when they rev the platform for cars [TS]

00:17:25   they don't always rev the platform [TS]

00:17:28   across the entire board so there's some [TS]

00:17:29   period of time where old and new mix [TS]

00:17:32   together ah but with all these concerns [TS]

00:17:36   not only people tend water they can do [TS]

00:17:38   how are they going to differentiate I [TS]

00:17:39   still go back to my practical [TS]

00:17:41   considerations that I talked about last [TS]

00:17:42   time and the two practical [TS]

00:17:43   considerations that I haven't heard [TS]

00:17:44   anyone can test but few people actually [TS]

00:17:45   bring up [TS]

00:17:46   in their complaints about the name is [TS]

00:17:48   will this decrease sales and will this [TS]

00:17:51   decrease customer satisfaction and I [TS]

00:17:53   still come down and saying no I don't [TS]

00:17:55   think it will decrease sales if you want [TS]

00:17:56   an iPad you get an area an iPad will [TS]

00:17:58   decrease customer satisfaction any [TS]

00:18:00   confusion that comes from this I don't [TS]

00:18:03   think will make people say I don't like [TS]

00:18:05   to buy Apple products because it's so [TS]

00:18:06   confusing I think this will get sorted [TS]

00:18:08   out in the store in the Apple Store and [TS]

00:18:11   it will be very clear which ones they're [TS]

00:18:12   buying and I don't think anyone will [TS]

00:18:14   come away accidently buying the wrong [TS]

00:18:16   model and be disappointed by being [TS]

00:18:17   disappointed but then in fact I think if [TS]

00:18:19   someone really didn't knows totally [TS]

00:18:20   clueless and bought themselves an iPad 2 [TS]

00:18:22   now they would be completely satisfied [TS]

00:18:23   with it they would have no idea what [TS]

00:18:25   they're missing with the iPad 3 now [TS]

00:18:27   instead they know nothing about Apple [TS]

00:18:28   products and have no idea I just don't [TS]

00:18:30   think that this naming issue will hurt [TS]

00:18:32   them in sales or satisfaction I think it [TS]

00:18:34   helps them in the realm of perception [TS]

00:18:37   and in aligning their products without [TS]

00:18:39   having to worry about numbers you know [TS]

00:18:40   trying to make it more like the iMac for [TS]

00:18:42   example so people are free to disagree [TS]

00:18:44   and we will see when I guess next year [TS]

00:18:46   when the next iPad comes out depending [TS]

00:18:48   on what they name it if they were all [TS]

00:18:49   right and I was wrong on this this [TS]

00:18:54   person's name is Jay a and n is but [TS]

00:18:56   their German would you go with the [TS]

00:18:58   honest on that Yan egg with Yan name [TS]

00:19:00   with the G at the end do you speak [TS]

00:19:03   German is that what you know there's no [TS]

00:19:04   I I'm just guessing all right well Jay a [TS]

00:19:07   and n is kuchar's [TS]

00:19:10   is one of the many Germans to point out [TS]

00:19:12   that in Germany things are different yes [TS]

00:19:15   of course Urmi things are different and [TS]

00:19:17   their people the common people really do [TS]

00:19:20   know the the platforms of the carbon [TS]

00:19:22   many people bro the same example the [TS]

00:19:23   Volkswagen Golf everybody knows if it's [TS]

00:19:25   a golf two golf three golf court or golf [TS]

00:19:27   five and those aren't those aren't model [TS]

00:19:28   years those are generations so the golf [TS]

00:19:31   three will be out for a few years in the [TS]

00:19:33   hub like you know several different [TS]

00:19:34   years about think is that people around [TS]

00:19:35   there know what the platforms are of [TS]

00:19:36   their cars [TS]

00:19:37   Marcus henshin says exactly the same [TS]

00:19:39   thing the golf L he uses Roman numerals [TS]

00:19:42   golf one two and three Fujio models [TS]

00:19:45   there was an actual model number like [TS]

00:19:47   205 206 207 and 208 so apparently in [TS]

00:19:50   Europe especially in countries where the [TS]

00:19:52   I'd imagine germinates because the car [TS]

00:19:56   makers that are in Germany are closely [TS]

00:19:58   tied with the national identity you've [TS]

00:19:59   got [TS]

00:20:00   volkswagen and BMW and Mercedes and I [TS]

00:20:03   think there's much more awareness of car [TS]

00:20:07   models in that country because it's a [TS]

00:20:09   smaller country and those car color car [TS]

00:20:11   companies are so much larger you know [TS]

00:20:13   those are worldwide brands that [TS]

00:20:15   everybody knows about that are a point [TS]

00:20:17   of pride our is in the US I guess I [TS]

00:20:20   don't think people knew what platform [TS]

00:20:21   you know they didn't know about the kei [TS]

00:20:23   cars and what platforms are underlying [TS]

00:20:25   forwards or Chevy's and stuff like that [TS]

00:20:27   maybe it's just because Americans always [TS]

00:20:28   expect to be at the top of everything [TS]

00:20:29   and it's not that part and when we were [TS]

00:20:31   the biggest car maker in the world until [TS]

00:20:33   all of a sudden we aren't and then it's [TS]

00:20:34   important so as always things are [TS]

00:20:37   different outside the US I talked about [TS]

00:20:42   in my Apple TV the last show my [TS]

00:20:44   confusion at the menu that was letting [TS]

00:20:47   me pick different kinds of HDMI output [TS]

00:20:49   and I didn't quite know what Auto meant [TS]

00:20:56   and what RGB Heineman why RGB low meant [TS]

00:20:58   but I also talked about this ycbcr [TS]

00:21:01   output and I'd said that I looked that [TS]

00:21:05   up somewhere and it was a way a [TS]

00:21:08   technique of compression where you'd [TS]

00:21:10   send the luminance but then send the the [TS]

00:21:12   color channels in a compressed fashion [TS]

00:21:14   because they weren't as important so [TS]

00:21:17   Alex trained writes in to say that my [TS]

00:21:20   implication that this might be a lower [TS]

00:21:21   quality source in RGB is untrue because [TS]

00:21:24   in general they're they're broadcast in [TS]

00:21:26   that same format actually they're [TS]

00:21:27   broadcast and WA Y UV which is similar [TS]

00:21:30   to Y C BC are the same anyway so if [TS]

00:21:33   they're broadcast in that format if you [TS]

00:21:35   were to straight through displayed in [TS]

00:21:37   that format you're not losing any [TS]

00:21:38   particular quality so that's not [TS]

00:21:41   necessarily wrong or only used for old [TS]

00:21:43   CRTs as I suggested in the last show [TS]

00:21:45   Chris Herbert made a good attempt to [TS]

00:21:48   explain it to me he tried to explain in [TS]

00:21:49   a tweet I can I suggested as I as I do [TS]

00:21:51   many times the people who send me things [TS]

00:21:52   in tweets I say write a blog post about [TS]

00:21:54   it I'll link it so he did write a blog [TS]

00:21:56   post about it and I linked it in the [TS]

00:21:58   show notes so his attempt to explain [TS]

00:22:00   this and his explanation was the first [TS]

00:22:01   one that started to make sense to me [TS]

00:22:03   about what the RGB high and low might be [TS]

00:22:05   so here's the important distinction on [TS]

00:22:09   computers total black is represented by [TS]

00:22:12   the value zero and total white is to [TS]

00:22:13   fifty-five so that's an 8-bit range for [TS]

00:22:15   going completely black boolie white or [TS]

00:22:17   you know completely red to get coolie on [TS]

00:22:18   red so you've got RGB values and each [TS]

00:22:20   one of them has value from 0 to 255 the [TS]

00:22:24   full 8-bit range is used for each [TS]

00:22:25   component but on television and in [TS]

00:22:27   digital video in general and I did not [TS]

00:22:28   know this black is 16 and white is 235 [TS]

00:22:31   did you notice I did not know that this [TS]

00:22:34   is news to me so the space above and [TS]

00:22:38   below these levels is what they call [TS]

00:22:40   headroom which is necessary when TVs [TS]

00:22:42   were analog and didn't respond well to [TS]

00:22:43   hard clipping at the bottom and top ends [TS]

00:22:45   of the video signal I'm reading from his [TS]

00:22:46   email here [TS]

00:22:47   some people even argue that this [TS]

00:22:49   Headroom is still useful even today even [TS]

00:22:51   for today's digital televisions and [TS]

00:22:52   there is in fact some additional picture [TS]

00:22:53   information in the wider than white [TS]

00:22:55   portion of the signal particularly when [TS]

00:22:56   showing very bright things like clouds [TS]

00:22:58   white shirts etc so he doesn't know for [TS]

00:23:02   sure what Apple is calling RGB high [TS]

00:23:04   analogy below but he's guessing that the [TS]

00:23:07   correct setting for most TVs will be to [TS]

00:23:08   use the standard video color space which [TS]

00:23:10   is at 16 to 235 which is likely he [TS]

00:23:13   thinks this is likely what Apple is [TS]

00:23:15   calling RGB high as this is what video [TS]

00:23:17   content is encoded with and what [TS]

00:23:18   properly designed televisions are [TS]

00:23:20   expecting the RGB low mode is expanding [TS]

00:23:23   the 16 to 235 expanding that into 0 to [TS]

00:23:26   255 range that a computer monitor might [TS]

00:23:28   expect so for an example so a computer [TS]

00:23:30   monitor expects 0 255 expects 0 to be [TS]

00:23:32   black doesn't expect 16 16 to be black [TS]

00:23:35   so if you were to send if you were to [TS]

00:23:38   send 0 to 255 to your television set one [TS]

00:23:41   of two things can happen right first may [TS]

00:23:45   be that your television always expects a [TS]

00:23:47   16 to 235 signal and it will just [TS]

00:23:50   discard all the data below 16 and all [TS]

00:23:52   the data above to 35 and then everything [TS]

00:23:54   will be all washed out because nothing [TS]

00:23:55   will be completely black because all [TS]

00:23:56   your complete blacks are at 0 and the TV [TS]

00:23:58   just discarded them because it discards [TS]

00:23:59   everything below 16 and you'll lose [TS]

00:24:01   stuff on the high end so this will have [TS]

00:24:03   a very negative impact on picture [TS]

00:24:05   quality you don't want this the second [TS]

00:24:07   is that your television will realize [TS]

00:24:09   it's receiving a 0 to 55 PC style signal [TS]

00:24:12   and will just readjust itself in which [TS]

00:24:14   case everything should be fine you might [TS]

00:24:16   see some kind of gradient banding if [TS]

00:24:18   your television does a bad job of taking [TS]

00:24:22   that range and changing it back to what [TS]

00:24:23   it expects or whatever so [TS]

00:24:26   really what this comes down to is and uh [TS]

00:24:29   all right here's another person written [TS]

00:24:31   to tell me that a dance termer and tell [TS]

00:24:33   me that really what you want to make [TS]

00:24:35   sure is that the incoming signal and the [TS]

00:24:38   television agree on everything so if [TS]

00:24:40   your television always expects a certain [TS]

00:24:41   mode you send it that mode but if you [TS]

00:24:43   tell you know you don't want to force it [TS]

00:24:44   to be into a 0 to 255 if your television [TS]

00:24:47   is not expecting that because bad things [TS]

00:24:49   will happen you really just want your [TS]

00:24:50   television expectations and the input to [TS]

00:24:52   agree which is why he suggests that [TS]

00:24:54   leaving in Auto was the correct decision [TS]

00:24:55   because presumably yes faith that auto [TS]

00:24:58   will find some way to negotiate with the [TS]

00:25:00   television and send it the signal at [TS]

00:25:02   suggesting so this isn't as complicated [TS]

00:25:05   as I I don't know maybe it is the same [TS]

00:25:06   thing because I know there's a similar [TS]

00:25:08   setting this is setting on my television [TS]

00:25:09   it says accept input values that are [TS]

00:25:13   outside the range of a normal the normal [TS]

00:25:16   television specification and there's [TS]

00:25:18   also a setting I think on the [TS]

00:25:19   PlayStation that helps to help put that [TS]

00:25:20   thing but for for this I'm I feel better [TS]

00:25:22   about leaving it on auto because it's [TS]

00:25:24   basically as I leave it up to the [TS]

00:25:25   television that a device to negotiate I [TS]

00:25:26   think most modern TVs will accept and [TS]

00:25:29   adjust all these formats but it sounds [TS]

00:25:31   to me like not sending a 0-255 value to [TS]

00:25:36   your television is the right thing to do [TS]

00:25:37   and hopefully that's what my device is [TS]

00:25:38   sorted out amongst themselves and I did [TS]

00:25:41   change the settings and look to pictures [TS]

00:25:42   and I couldn't tell a difference so I [TS]

00:25:43   imagine it's because my television says [TS]

00:25:45   oh I'm getting a signal in this format [TS]

00:25:47   and it senses it and does the right [TS]

00:25:48   thing [TS]

00:25:51   Mike F from across the pond writes in to [TS]

00:25:54   tell us that the reason that the UK are [TS]

00:25:58   one reason he speculates that the UK [TS]

00:26:00   might have a bunch of amateur this is [TS]

00:26:01   recording from from him amateurish [TS]

00:26:03   looking DVRs you've never heard of is [TS]

00:26:05   that their television greatly simplifies [TS]

00:26:07   the job of DVRs so the video in the UK [TS]

00:26:10   apparently arrives already encoded in a [TS]

00:26:13   usable format so they can just dump that [TS]

00:26:15   right to disk so they don't need an [TS]

00:26:16   encoder at all for the video they can [TS]

00:26:18   just take the bit perfect stream and put [TS]

00:26:19   it right onto disk the program guide is [TS]

00:26:22   apparently sent with the video so you [TS]

00:26:23   don't even need a network connection so [TS]

00:26:25   the list of when the shows are on or [TS]

00:26:26   what time or whatever comes along in the [TS]

00:26:27   same signal as the video so you don't [TS]

00:26:29   need a network connection for your DVR [TS]

00:26:30   and channels are bundled into something [TS]

00:26:33   called multiplexes so a DVR with a [TS]

00:26:35   single tuner can record multiple [TS]

00:26:37   channels that they happen to be [TS]

00:26:38   multiplexing to the same stream [TS]

00:26:40   so that's interesting it's interesting [TS]

00:26:41   that they're their television [TS]

00:26:43   infrastructure is more conducive to two [TS]

00:26:45   DVRs then apparently ours is so for it [TS]

00:26:48   because certainly we need a program [TS]

00:26:49   guide we don't get the program [TS]

00:26:51   information along with our video signals [TS]

00:26:52   in general Anthony Johnson also in the [TS]

00:26:57   UK says that the humic machines that I [TS]

00:26:59   talked about last time are the least [TS]

00:27:01   worst option available in the UK just [TS]

00:27:03   like TiVo is in the u.s. so not not at [TS]

00:27:05   all big fans of these brands that I [TS]

00:27:07   talked about last time he also talks [TS]

00:27:09   about the awful weird brand names he [TS]

00:27:11   says he speculates that it might be [TS]

00:27:13   because in the UK they believe Asian [TS]

00:27:15   electronics are superior and they like [TS]

00:27:17   the idea of bad fake English names to [TS]

00:27:19   make them seem nicer this is his theory [TS]

00:27:21   I have no idea whether that's accurate [TS]

00:27:23   or not I just dunno the hue max2 strange [TS]

00:27:25   name dole Frankel all right same to tell [TS]

00:27:31   me that I inspired him to go through and [TS]

00:27:34   turn all of his paper manuals into PDFs [TS]

00:27:36   I think couple shows ago I talked about [TS]

00:27:38   my smoke detector and how I had to find [TS]

00:27:41   the manual I had the paper manual but I [TS]

00:27:43   couldn't search it so I wanted a PDF [TS]

00:27:44   version of it and I said the PDF [TS]

00:27:46   versions of most of the manuals for your [TS]

00:27:48   appliances are available online so he [TS]

00:27:50   did a blog post that I linked in the [TS]

00:27:51   show notes where he showed his junk [TS]

00:27:52   drawer full of those paper manuals that [TS]

00:27:55   come with all your appliances and [TS]

00:27:56   devices and his wife was nagging him to [TS]

00:27:59   get rid of that and he wanted to clear [TS]

00:28:01   out that drawer but he says that his [TS]

00:28:04   monkey brain was telling him I might [TS]

00:28:05   need it someday so finally he couldn't [TS]

00:28:07   get rid of the manuals but he did [TS]

00:28:09   instead was found them all in PDF form [TS]

00:28:11   and put them all into iBooks on his iOS [TS]

00:28:12   device and he had things like his [TS]

00:28:14   manuals from his Sega Genesis and his [TS]

00:28:15   Nintendo 64 so obviously he's a little [TS]

00:28:17   bit of a pack rat here abdi says the [TS]

00:28:20   other day he was sitting in his car and [TS]

00:28:21   trying to pair his phone with his [TS]

00:28:23   bluetooth handset and couldn't remember [TS]

00:28:24   something about it and he just pulled up [TS]

00:28:26   his iphone pulled up his manual in PDF [TS]

00:28:27   and looked it up so here's a way to [TS]

00:28:30   declutter your life turning this into a [TS]

00:28:31   back to work episode take all of your [TS]

00:28:33   paper manuals that you have filed [TS]

00:28:35   somewhere and convert them all to PDFs [TS]

00:28:37   and then recycle all that paper it's [TS]

00:28:39   faster easier more searchable and it [TS]

00:28:40   will make you feel cool and high-tech so [TS]

00:28:43   good job doe Vaughn that and we have now [TS]

00:28:49   right now now we're into the [TS]

00:28:50   transitional period of the follow up we [TS]

00:28:52   have a question [TS]

00:28:53   from Justin bakes he asks why doesn't [TS]

00:28:57   the filesystem keep track of how much [TS]

00:28:59   data is in every folder and he's [TS]

00:29:00   complaining it like if he gets info on [TS]

00:29:02   his home directory and the little get [TS]

00:29:04   info window in the finder comes up it [TS]

00:29:06   grinds and grinds and grinds and takes a [TS]

00:29:07   long time to tell you how much data is [TS]

00:29:09   in the folder and he says D you from the [TS]

00:29:10   command line takes a long time to why [TS]

00:29:12   doesn't the filesystem just keep track [TS]

00:29:14   of this as contents or change that would [TS]

00:29:16   be nice do you want to take this one why [TS]

00:29:19   doesn't the filesystem keep track of the [TS]

00:29:21   contents of folders in other words so [TS]

00:29:24   that you can very easily and quickly get [TS]

00:29:26   the size get other data out of it [TS]

00:29:28   without it having to do that calculation [TS]

00:29:30   every time that you ask yeah so I'm I'm [TS]

00:29:34   going to speculate I've never really [TS]

00:29:36   thought about this but I think my the [TS]

00:29:37   reason I haven't thought about it is [TS]

00:29:38   because I just sue my speculation is [TS]

00:29:40   correct okay but update if you had a [TS]

00:29:44   situation like that that would mean that [TS]

00:29:45   every time [TS]

00:29:46   io is done to any file anywhere below a [TS]

00:29:49   particular folder you would have to [TS]

00:29:51   update the those numbers that you [TS]

00:29:53   keeping track of for every folder in [TS]

00:29:54   that path so that for the so the first [TS]

00:29:57   thing means you'd have to keep track of [TS]

00:29:58   or repeatedly look up which directories [TS]

00:30:01   are in this files path and in the UNIX [TS]

00:30:05   file system once you get a file [TS]

00:30:06   descriptor is just an integer and in [TS]

00:30:07   general you're not retaining information [TS]

00:30:09   about that every directory along the [TS]

00:30:11   path will loop to the root of the file [TS]

00:30:12   system so you got to store that and [TS]

00:30:13   that's currently not being stored and [TS]

00:30:14   then of course there's contention for [TS]

00:30:17   the all these numbers so if any other [TS]

00:30:19   files are being modified that along the [TS]

00:30:21   same path anywhere along the same path [TS]

00:30:22   you would have to grab some sort of [TS]

00:30:24   mutex and say okay everybody else stay [TS]

00:30:26   out I'm gonna update that number because [TS]

00:30:28   I just added three bytes of data so this [TS]

00:30:29   directory has three more bytes and its [TS]

00:30:31   parent directory has three more bytes [TS]

00:30:32   and its parent directory has three more [TS]

00:30:33   bytes and all up to the top all right [TS]

00:30:35   I'm done I really saw my locks okay you [TS]

00:30:36   can go that seems like it would be a [TS]

00:30:38   massive bottleneck tayo performance if [TS]

00:30:40   you had to keep updating those numbers [TS]

00:30:42   because remember you can't update them [TS]

00:30:44   like when you're done or when a big file [TS]

00:30:47   is done being rewritten there is no this [TS]

00:30:49   is a waiting till done because what is [TS]

00:30:50   done you'd have to read it every time [TS]

00:30:52   you did IO right imagine if you were a [TS]

00:30:54   recording streaming video or something [TS]

00:30:56   like that yeah or like just untiring a [TS]

00:30:58   big tar ball you know splatting or [TS]

00:31:00   running an installer you'd spend all [TS]

00:31:02   your time you know and so maybe it [TS]

00:31:04   doesn't sound so bad hfs+ because [TS]

00:31:06   already [TS]

00:31:06   only one process can be modifying the [TS]

00:31:08   catalog at lunch but let's not drag [TS]

00:31:10   every file system down to be like hfs+ [TS]

00:31:12   and I believe actually HFS+ does keep [TS]

00:31:14   more track of this stuff than other [TS]

00:31:15   processes because like hey I'm locking [TS]

00:31:17   the whole catalog file anyway and only [TS]

00:31:18   one process can be modifying the file [TS]

00:31:20   system anyway but in general the answer [TS]

00:31:22   is that would produce too much [TS]

00:31:24   contention that's what I think why file [TS]

00:31:27   systems don't do that and so when you [TS]

00:31:29   get info on it then it grinds over [TS]

00:31:30   everything and looks it up at that time [TS]

00:31:32   and believe me you'd rather have it be [TS]

00:31:36   okay what was that in your house than my [TS]

00:31:41   house yeah I do not know the cat in [TS]

00:31:44   there or something no I don't nothing in [TS]

00:31:47   his room I heard that noise and I [TS]

00:31:49   thought it came over the loud so the [TS]

00:31:51   headphones no it's on your track I'll [TS]

00:31:55   take your word for it now but nothing [TS]

00:31:56   nothing is crashed down in this room [TS]

00:31:58   maybe something is going on outside that [TS]

00:31:59   I don't know about I would go check [TS]

00:32:02   all right Hannah's like nah I'll do a [TS]

00:32:04   sponsor while you do that okay [TS]

00:32:06   sponsor today is a great new one it's [TS]

00:32:08   get box so most of you I'm assuming this [TS]

00:32:12   in the audience are probably developers [TS]

00:32:14   or designers or writers or you create [TS]

00:32:16   something so you've probably heard about [TS]

00:32:17   get to version control system everybody [TS]

00:32:21   should be using some kind of version [TS]

00:32:22   control system that matter what you do [TS]

00:32:25   the problem with git is it's very [TS]

00:32:27   command-line intensive and even people [TS]

00:32:29   like me who use get every single day [TS]

00:32:31   don't know all of the things that you [TS]

00:32:34   can do on the command line you [TS]

00:32:35   constantly have to look things up and [TS]

00:32:36   when it gets into the really tricky [TS]

00:32:39   stuff like rebasing commits or resetting [TS]

00:32:41   a branch I mean you almost always have [TS]

00:32:43   to go to terminal to figure this out [TS]

00:32:44   that means you have to look stuff up and [TS]

00:32:46   that slows you down it makes you not [TS]

00:32:47   want to use it takes away from the [TS]

00:32:49   benefit of it [TS]

00:32:49   the gift box will change all of that [TS]

00:32:51   imagine if your git client was really [TS]

00:32:54   really easy to use of course we're [TS]

00:32:55   talking about something for the Mac here [TS]

00:32:56   and it was really easy to use it work [TS]

00:32:58   just like Mail app but forget I mean [TS]

00:33:01   what if it could keep you from screwing [TS]

00:33:03   up things like committing new versions [TS]

00:33:05   outside of a branch full-text search [TS]

00:33:08   visual comparison of file differences [TS]

00:33:11   all of that stuff it's integrated all [TS]

00:33:13   these hard to do things that you wish [TS]

00:33:16   you were able to do more readily get box [TS]

00:33:19   lets you do them [TS]

00:33:20   I love get box I started using it when [TS]

00:33:23   they showed some interest in being a [TS]

00:33:24   sponsor and man I loved it I haven't [TS]

00:33:27   even touched the command line since I [TS]

00:33:29   started using it so here's what you do [TS]

00:33:31   you go to get box app comm you can [TS]

00:33:34   download the free trial and if you like [TS]

00:33:36   it well you should buy it they're giving [TS]

00:33:39   a 50% discount [TS]

00:33:40   right now it's $9.99 so go check this [TS]

00:33:45   out get box app calm when you want to [TS]

00:33:48   buy it you buy in the App Store it's [TS]

00:33:50   pretty awesome oh by the way command Z [TS]

00:33:52   undo how cool is that can't do that on [TS]

00:33:55   the command line check it out are you [TS]

00:34:00   back John I am back I investigated I [TS]

00:34:03   found nothing I went outside the house [TS]

00:34:05   the only brother person home is my wife [TS]

00:34:07   she's fine nothing appears to have [TS]

00:34:10   fallen inside or outside our house I [TS]

00:34:11   have no idea what that was and it gets [TS]

00:34:13   warm like you're talking about up there [TS]

00:34:14   I think the rats start to get active [TS]

00:34:16   there's been a truck driving by be some [TS]

00:34:19   in your walls [TS]

00:34:20   now the rats aren't that loud usually do [TS]

00:34:24   feed them or no only poison that's what [TS]

00:34:27   they get fed okay all right so there's [TS]

00:34:30   the keeping track of contents the file [TS]

00:34:33   system question now two to feisty bits [TS]

00:34:37   of follow up here all right need more of [TS]

00:34:39   these things [TS]

00:34:40   Alexander Hoffman writes to tell me that [TS]

00:34:43   the major barrier to statistical [TS]

00:34:44   significance is not sample size its [TS]

00:34:46   representativeness I think on some past [TS]

00:34:48   show I must have mentioned something [TS]

00:34:49   about statistical significance and how I [TS]

00:34:51   thought that because we had a small [TS]

00:34:53   sample size it was probably the Chris [TS]

00:34:54   Parrillo stuff because I had small [TS]

00:34:56   sample sizes is necessarily [TS]

00:34:57   representative and so on and so forth [TS]

00:34:59   and I generally try to use the right [TS]

00:35:01   language there but I'm sure I slip into [TS]

00:35:02   the common definition of statistical [TS]

00:35:05   significance which does not agree with [TS]

00:35:07   the real definition as in many cases [TS]

00:35:08   like the common understanding like off [TS]

00:35:10   you don't have a lot of people that must [TS]

00:35:11   not be statistically significant but [TS]

00:35:13   it's not the number of people that [TS]

00:35:14   counts it's how representative they are [TS]

00:35:16   of the large population so the example I [TS]

00:35:18   think is this Chris Parrillo thing [TS]

00:35:19   because he says for example you could [TS]

00:35:21   talk to a million non geeks and still [TS]

00:35:23   not have a statistically significant [TS]

00:35:24   sample if that million non geeks were [TS]

00:35:27   not represented about the larger [TS]

00:35:28   population of non geeks for example if [TS]

00:35:30   you're over sampled college grads or [TS]

00:35:32   understand both college grads or over [TS]

00:35:34   sampling of the moms of hardcore geeks [TS]

00:35:35   etc he says that the math we refer to [TS]

00:35:39   when we mean statistical significance [TS]

00:35:40   assumes random sampling it does not [TS]

00:35:42   assume any particular sample size and [TS]

00:35:44   virtually any effective size can be [TS]

00:35:46   statistically significant if you have a [TS]

00:35:48   large enough sample size that's what it [TS]

00:35:52   says here maybe just confusing the [TS]

00:35:53   lessons anyway he says you're probably [TS]

00:35:55   best not even bringing up the term [TS]

00:35:56   bringing the term up I think he's right [TS]

00:35:59   I am probably best not even bringing the [TS]

00:36:00   term up and yet I probably will so in [TS]

00:36:03   the future I will endeavor to use this [TS]

00:36:05   term in a correct manner and talk about [TS]

00:36:07   that the sample is not representative [TS]

00:36:08   and not that it's too small because [TS]

00:36:11   representative is what matters and not [TS]

00:36:13   size I did take several statistics [TS]

00:36:15   courses in colleges but I confess that [TS]

00:36:17   all of them have left my brain long ago [TS]

00:36:21   so here's here's the best one say the [TS]

00:36:24   best one for last [TS]

00:36:25   Nik Modesto writes and to say that I am [TS]

00:36:28   appalled by John's lack of attention to [TS]

00:36:30   detail when it comes to the Apple TV [TS]

00:36:31   remote there are no lines from molding [TS]

00:36:33   or where the manufacturer typically [TS]

00:36:35   glues two halves together appears to be [TS]

00:36:36   a sturdy solid piece of aluminum so I've [TS]

00:36:38   got the remote right in front of me here [TS]

00:36:39   he is correct I don't see any mo blinds [TS]

00:36:41   it appears to be I saw a piece of [TS]

00:36:42   aluminum which is pretty amazing when [TS]

00:36:44   you think about it like how did they get [TS]

00:36:45   the insides in they shove it all in [TS]

00:36:47   through the battery door or is it just [TS]

00:36:49   like if used together somehow very neat [TS]

00:36:51   also you don't mention how the menu [TS]

00:36:53   button is concave and the play/pause [TS]

00:36:54   button is slightly convex you're [TS]

00:36:57   constantly talking about having textures [TS]

00:36:58   or shapes to help you discern which [TS]

00:36:59   button of your your finger is on by how [TS]

00:37:02   it feels this oversight of such detail [TS]

00:37:03   surprises me especially on a remote that [TS]

00:37:05   only has three buttons and a d-pad the [TS]

00:37:08   Apple TV remote is not some massive [TS]

00:37:09   bulbous hunk of plastic you're not meant [TS]

00:37:11   to grab it grab this object and attempt [TS]

00:37:12   to strangle it in order to keep hold of [TS]

00:37:14   it like you do with a TiVo remote it's a [TS]

00:37:16   lightweight well bounce remote that just [TS]

00:37:18   lies in the hand I'm sure John sir [TS]

00:37:21   Johnny would say that it floats in the [TS]

00:37:23   hand [TS]

00:37:23   he says I'm almost positive that you are [TS]

00:37:25   holding it wrong now I can't tell if [TS]

00:37:26   he's just trolling me but because I'm [TS]

00:37:29   holding it right you're doing it wrong [TS]

00:37:30   yeah I'm holding it wrong very [TS]

00:37:32   specifically like the iPhone 4 [TS]

00:37:33   hold it like you would hold the golf [TS]

00:37:35   club or a drum stick lightly wrap your [TS]

00:37:37   fingers around their mode while it lies [TS]

00:37:39   in your open hand and then he has a [TS]

00:37:41   comment on the the white light from the [TS]

00:37:43   remote as well [TS]

00:37:44   finally hiding the Apple TV in order to [TS]

00:37:46   hide the piercing in quotes [TS]

00:37:48   white light means that you are moving [TS]

00:37:49   your ability to get visual feedback from [TS]

00:37:50   the Apple TV unit in the manual you will [TS]

00:37:52   see there are a series of different [TS]

00:37:53   patterns that the Apple TV device uses [TS]

00:37:55   to communicate back to the user [TS]

00:37:56   especially when things are not working [TS]

00:37:57   when properly do this at your own risk [TS]

00:37:59   don't complain in the future about a [TS]

00:38:01   lack of visual feedback from the system [TS]

00:38:02   when you're pounding on buttons and the [TS]

00:38:05   system isn't responding to your commands [TS]

00:38:08   so this is quite an angry email that me [TS]

00:38:12   not liking the Apple TV remote the [TS]

00:38:15   points he made about it being solid and [TS]

00:38:17   flakies loom are true it's a pretty next [TS]

00:38:19   little construction here one of them is [TS]

00:38:22   convex and one of them is concave and [TS]

00:38:24   the select button is actually concave as [TS]

00:38:26   well and then the ring is convex which [TS]

00:38:28   it didn't like but no I didn't note [TS]

00:38:30   those two things but I think this is a [TS]

00:38:33   teachable moment in terms of weighing [TS]

00:38:36   the relative importance of problems a [TS]

00:38:39   lot of the things I didn't mention like [TS]

00:38:41   how it's very solid and how the buttons [TS]

00:38:43   are shaped differently I never even got [TS]

00:38:46   to talk about or consider those because [TS]

00:38:48   right away the size was the dominant [TS]

00:38:51   factor for me the size and the comfort [TS]

00:38:52   of holding the thing he says is not a [TS]

00:38:54   big massive bulbous hunk of plastic I [TS]

00:38:56   apparently like big bulbous hunks of [TS]

00:38:59   plastic like the TV over remote it feels [TS]

00:39:00   more comfortable for me to hold it feels [TS]

00:39:02   more secure it feels more comfortable to [TS]

00:39:04   put in my hand the mold lines yeah they [TS]

00:39:06   exist on the TV remote it's not [TS]

00:39:07   constructed as well as this but I don't [TS]

00:39:08   feel them or notice them so all these [TS]

00:39:11   things that he likes about it I would [TS]

00:39:13   say they are good design you know having [TS]

00:39:15   the buttons be shape ba1 be convex and [TS]

00:39:18   concave that's a good idea although I [TS]

00:39:19   would say the position is more dominant [TS]

00:39:20   I could probably tell where they are [TS]

00:39:21   based on the position more than the [TS]

00:39:23   texture but that's not bad the concave [TS]

00:39:26   nature of the ring I think is bad [TS]

00:39:27   because it makes it look feel like my [TS]

00:39:28   finger is shedding off of it but really [TS]

00:39:30   the two things make me not like it as [TS]

00:39:33   two things that I talked about it just [TS]

00:39:35   feels too small hurt for me and [TS]

00:39:36   uncomfortable to hold because it's then [TS]

00:39:38   small and likea that you're holding it [TS]

00:39:40   wrong thing is a whole different matter [TS]

00:39:41   and in practical use like I was willing [TS]

00:39:44   to give it a try it introduced errors [TS]

00:39:46   into the process when using the remote [TS]

00:39:48   to do stuff I always found myself [TS]

00:39:49   hitting the wrong button or accidentally [TS]

00:39:51   inputting one I didn't want to so I you [TS]

00:39:54   know that's that's the the all the other [TS]

00:39:56   stuff falls by the wayside and in light [TS]

00:39:58   of that [TS]

00:39:58   now as for the holding I'm a hand the [TS]

00:40:00   wrong way this kind of came up with the [TS]

00:40:01   puck mouse to the IMAX puck mouse that [TS]

00:40:03   was exactly circular some people really [TS]

00:40:06   like that Mouse [TS]

00:40:07   I'm always make take pains to say that [TS]

00:40:09   whenever we talk about it because it [TS]

00:40:11   gets such a bad rap but some people [TS]

00:40:12   really liked it because it was very low [TS]

00:40:14   profile and it was circulant I think the [TS]

00:40:15   ball was dead center in the middle of it [TS]

00:40:16   so it felt kind of good to use but it [TS]

00:40:19   had this one problem that was you know [TS]

00:40:22   dominant over everything else and that [TS]

00:40:24   was when you put your hand on it without [TS]

00:40:26   looking it was sometimes difficult to [TS]

00:40:28   figure out which way is directly up and [TS]

00:40:29   then you would push what you thought was [TS]

00:40:30   directly up and the cursor eGolf on an [TS]

00:40:31   angle and people will get frustrated so [TS]

00:40:34   people came up with techniques of like [TS]

00:40:35   I'll drape your fingers over it so you [TS]

00:40:36   can feel what the chord is and they put [TS]

00:40:37   a little texture on the button where [TS]

00:40:38   they dug out a little piece on the [TS]

00:40:40   buttons you could try to feel which way [TS]

00:40:41   is up on the mouse so it's not [TS]

00:40:42   completely symmetrically circular or [TS]

00:40:44   people said even without the bump and [TS]

00:40:46   even route the cord you should be able [TS]

00:40:47   to feel which way it is but the bottom [TS]

00:40:49   line is that that one thing that the [TS]

00:40:50   frustration of grabbing that Mouse [TS]

00:40:51   without looking and pushing it and [TS]

00:40:53   having the mouse cursor not go the right [TS]

00:40:54   way that that overwhelmed everything [TS]

00:40:57   else that was good about that Mouse for [TS]

00:40:58   most people and Apple then show your [TS]

00:41:00   place didn't gave everyone free mice at [TS]

00:41:02   Macworld 2001 in New York so that's [TS]

00:41:08   where I come down in that if you like [TS]

00:41:09   the Apple TV remote bully for you [TS]

00:41:11   Apple putting in the thing that lets you [TS]

00:41:16   learn other remotes I think is great I [TS]

00:41:17   didn't know that feature existed it [TS]

00:41:19   makes me feel less bad about the remote [TS]

00:41:21   but I definitely do not like the remote [TS]

00:41:22   even though it has some aspects of it [TS]

00:41:24   that are well-designed I'm speaking of [TS]

00:41:27   concave versus convex I forget if you [TS]

00:41:29   mention this on the episode we talked [TS]

00:41:31   about video game controllers for two [TS]

00:41:33   episodes we talked about video game [TS]

00:41:34   controllers the SNES controller in the [TS]

00:41:37   u.s. X&Y row concave an A&B or convex if [TS]

00:41:40   my memory serves I tried to look this up [TS]

00:41:42   in images and it's hard talent images [TS]

00:41:43   and I don't have an SNES so I can't look [TS]

00:41:45   and but in Japan they were not that way [TS]

00:41:47   so this idea of making some buttons [TS]

00:41:50   concave and some buttons convex gets a [TS]

00:41:52   big thumbs up for me and I wish more [TS]

00:41:55   remotes did it but if your remote is the [TS]

00:41:57   wrong size and the wrong shape and has [TS]

00:41:59   sharp edges and scratches my [TS]

00:42:00   grandfather's wooden end table then yet [TS]

00:42:04   you get booted out and I go for the [TS]

00:42:05   bulbous piece of plastic so thank you [TS]

00:42:10   Nick for your feedback [TS]

00:42:11   continue to enjoy your Apple around [TS]

00:42:15   that's my follow-up that was short right [TS]

00:42:18   shortish well I wouldn't say was it's a [TS]

00:42:21   record but not bad yeah want to do our [TS]

00:42:27   second sponsor and we can get into the [TS]

00:42:29   reality of real topic the real topic [TS]

00:42:32   there you go well you said that there [TS]

00:42:34   was a there's a small topic but would [TS]

00:42:36   you say that before and we talked for [TS]

00:42:38   hours I think this will be a short ones [TS]

00:42:40   that you should think of anything after [TS]

00:42:41   I'm done with it if you think that you [TS]

00:42:43   want to throw at me then I'll try to [TS]

00:42:45   tackle unprepared okay [TS]

00:42:48   well I'll work on something for you see [TS]

00:42:50   if I can all right come up with it [TS]

00:42:53   ballers our second sponsor today's [TS]

00:42:54   FreshBooks calm John Syracuse is it [TS]

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00:43:09   invoice your clients it also lets you [TS]

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00:43:14   this service and this is this is the way [TS]

00:43:16   that it works you want to send your [TS]

00:43:18   client an invoice normally what's the [TS]

00:43:21   process you would launch your pages or [TS]

00:43:22   word you pick one of their awful [TS]

00:43:25   templates or templates as you say and [TS]

00:43:28   you fill it out with their information [TS]

00:43:30   you print it you put it in an envelope [TS]

00:43:32   and you cross your fingers and hope that [TS]

00:43:33   they actually get it there's no way to [TS]

00:43:35   know even if you email it to them [TS]

00:43:37   there's no way to really know we're not [TS]

00:43:39   using CC mail we don't get read receipts [TS]

00:43:40   anymore you just hope they get it and [TS]

00:43:43   then you hope they pay it fresh books [TS]

00:43:47   makes all this so much easier they [TS]

00:43:49   handle all of that you want to send a [TS]

00:43:51   physical printed invoice they can do [TS]

00:43:53   that for you you want to send it you [TS]

00:43:55   want to you know do the modern thing and [TS]

00:43:56   send them something via email the little [TS]

00:43:58   email that includes an option for them [TS]

00:44:00   to print it out or send a PDF you can do [TS]

00:44:02   that too that's how I invoice everybody [TS]

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00:44:17   they can pay it all within fresh books [TS]

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00:44:21   processing gateways like obviously the [TS]

00:44:23   PayPal but they'll do authorize.net [TS]

00:44:25   all the other big ones you do 1099s at [TS]

00:44:28   the end of the year they've got a plugin [TS]

00:44:30   for that lets you handle and automate [TS]

00:44:32   the process sending 1099s I wish you've [TS]

00:44:34   known about that last year you can try [TS]

00:44:36   it free for 30 days this is a way that [TS]

00:44:39   works you can try it free you can try [TS]

00:44:40   the maximum plan for 30 days you can get [TS]

00:44:43   it all of your employees using it [TS]

00:44:44   tracking their time you can do all your [TS]

00:44:46   invoicing with it if you like it after [TS]

00:44:48   30 days you pay for it if you don't like [TS]

00:44:51   it obviously don't have to because [TS]

00:44:52   there's no commitment but I think you [TS]

00:44:54   will I would check it out fresh books [TS]

00:44:56   calm gonna be funny fresh books didn't [TS]

00:45:01   want you to invoice fresh books with [TS]

00:45:04   fresh books they said I'll please send [TS]

00:45:05   me your invoice is a Word document you [TS]

00:45:07   know I'd the first it the first time [TS]

00:45:09   that I invoice them I'd sent it in a [TS]

00:45:12   more traditional way and they're like [TS]

00:45:13   come up why aren't you using fresh [TS]

00:45:14   reason and so I did and you know seen [TS]

00:45:17   the dog food that's right alright my [TS]

00:45:23   topic today you already talked about [TS]

00:45:25   this but I wanted to have some [TS]

00:45:27   discussion of it all right [TS]

00:45:28   it's Apple China and Mike Daisey I don't [TS]

00:45:30   think we've ever talked about Apple and [TS]

00:45:32   China on the show and a lot of people [TS]

00:45:33   have asked about it and I think the [TS]

00:45:34   confluence of the Mike Daisey thing and [TS]

00:45:37   everything provides an opportunity to [TS]

00:45:38   talk about a great great idea yeah [TS]

00:45:40   inside that I think the show you talked [TS]

00:45:43   about this the most on was the talk show [TS]

00:45:44   least the one that I've listened to so [TS]

00:45:45   far where you had a long discussion with [TS]

00:45:47   a John Gruber about the Mike Daisey [TS]

00:45:49   thing out on past shows you talked with [TS]

00:45:51   him about China in general and Apple and [TS]

00:45:53   China sure stuff yeah yeah now you've [TS]

00:45:56   actually been to China you visited these [TS]

00:45:58   factories so you have the first-hand [TS]

00:46:00   knowledge that a lot of us don't have [TS]

00:46:01   time dependent I've been to Canada once [TS]

00:46:03   as I count I've never been to China is [TS]

00:46:06   there a big difference I'm told yes [TS]

00:46:09   especially since I went to Newfoundland [TS]

00:46:11   Oh to pick up one of those hounds [TS]

00:46:14   no no that's the only other country I've [TS]

00:46:17   ever been to [TS]

00:46:18   ok unless Florida counts then I think [TS]

00:46:21   that's more like in a territory [TS]

00:46:23   yeah so Mike Daisey has this one-man [TS]

00:46:28   show called the agony and ecstasy of [TS]

00:46:30   Steve Jobs and this show has been around [TS]

00:46:32   for a while and I've known about it for [TS]

00:46:33   a while because these the kind of circle [TS]

00:46:35   light traveling and you might assume and [TS]

00:46:37   many people have asked me out [TS]

00:46:39   agony ecstasy of Steve Jobs or you heard [TS]

00:46:40   about that are you going to go to that [TS]

00:46:41   you mind assume since I'm the one who [TS]

00:46:43   reads all these books about Steve Jobs [TS]

00:46:44   even ones I don't like and you know a [TS]

00:46:46   big fan of him that I would be very [TS]

00:46:48   interested in this show but even before [TS]

00:46:50   I knew anything about Mike Daisey [TS]

00:46:52   anything about the show other than the [TS]

00:46:53   title right away I had no interest in [TS]

00:46:56   this thing because combined that title [TS]

00:46:59   with what I have in my mind as you know [TS]

00:47:02   what one-man show like monologue type [TS]

00:47:04   things are about and it just this is [TS]

00:47:08   unfair this is the first impression that [TS]

00:47:09   I have based just on the title and the [TS]

00:47:10   fact that it's a monologue knowing [TS]

00:47:11   nothing about Mike Daisey was that it [TS]

00:47:13   was gonna be a polemic it was going to [TS]

00:47:15   be at the agony and the ecstasy this was [TS]

00:47:17   all around the same time as the bios are [TS]

00:47:20   coming out and when he died and [TS]

00:47:21   everything it's like ah he makes such [TS]

00:47:23   amazing things but he was such a bad [TS]

00:47:24   person and um you know anything that's [TS]

00:47:26   on the stage is gonna be dramatic and [TS]

00:47:29   you know they're gonna focus on how he [TS]

00:47:30   was a big jerk in all besides I didn't [TS]

00:47:32   know his had anything to do but Chyna [TS]

00:47:33   stuff it was just like I'm not [TS]

00:47:35   interested in seeing that because I read [TS]

00:47:36   all these books about it I've [TS]

00:47:38   experienced all this stuff I don't need [TS]

00:47:39   maybe if someone never know who Steve [TS]

00:47:41   Jobs was this would be a way to [TS]

00:47:43   introduce them to it maybe see a one-man [TS]

00:47:44   show and it would be dramatic [TS]

00:47:47   interpretation of his life and to appeal [TS]

00:47:48   an entertaining way for people to learn [TS]

00:47:50   about Steve Jobs who are never gonna [TS]

00:47:52   read some you know dry biography about [TS]

00:47:54   or anything uh but I wasn't interested [TS]

00:47:57   in it at all and so I just basically [TS]

00:48:00   ignored it like all those guys doing the [TS]

00:48:01   show whatever I don't care about the [TS]

00:48:03   show I'm not interested in someone [TS]

00:48:05   telling me what I should think about [TS]

00:48:07   Steve Jobs I feel like I have a grasp on [TS]

00:48:08   it so then there was the American This [TS]

00:48:12   American Life episode and Mike Daisey [TS]

00:48:15   was on this episode and he was on he was [TS]

00:48:18   on the episode both interviewed by the [TS]

00:48:20   host and also an excerpt from his live [TS]

00:48:21   show and the excerpt and the interview [TS]

00:48:25   were about labor practices in China [TS]

00:48:26   which by this point I had heard a lot [TS]

00:48:28   about from other news stories and stuff [TS]

00:48:29   the New York Times did a thing on it and [TS]

00:48:31   it's been covered everywhere and all the [TS]

00:48:32   tech press and so I figured even though [TS]

00:48:35   I'm not interested in this guy's show [TS]

00:48:37   why did I'm here I am interested in this [TS]

00:48:40   American life that's the show it's do [TS]

00:48:42   all the time why don't hear what he has [TS]

00:48:43   to say on that show and so I listened to [TS]

00:48:45   the episode and it was the most [TS]

00:48:46   downloaded episode of this American life [TS]

00:48:48   or whatever ah [TS]

00:48:49   and when I heard him on that show [TS]

00:48:52   I was like when I heard the sections [TS]

00:48:54   from his monologue I'm like yeah this is [TS]

00:48:56   pretty much about what I expected when I [TS]

00:48:57   heard him interviewed and everything I [TS]

00:48:59   figured yeah this guy's like what I [TS]

00:49:00   expected and I believe that everything [TS]

00:49:03   he said in that show and so now verses [TS]

00:49:07   come out that Mike Daisey has fabricated [TS]

00:49:09   a lot of the stuff I've asked myself why [TS]

00:49:10   did I believe everything he said in in [TS]

00:49:13   the excerpt of the show that was on in [TS]

00:49:14   this American life and why did I believe [TS]

00:49:16   everything he said in the interview so [TS]

00:49:19   the first reason is that I when [TS]

00:49:22   listening to this I didn't pay much [TS]

00:49:23   attention to the timeline so it seemed [TS]

00:49:26   to me when listening to the story that I [TS]

00:49:27   didn't think about like how long was he [TS]

00:49:29   actually in China was he there for three [TS]

00:49:30   days you know or was he there I just [TS]

00:49:32   assumed he was there for a good long [TS]

00:49:34   time to talk to all these different [TS]

00:49:35   people so one of the things that the the [TS]

00:49:36   one of the people who debunked his [TS]

00:49:37   claims noticed was that hey this guy was [TS]

00:49:39   only in China for six days how could you [TS]

00:49:42   possibly have found all these people and [TS]

00:49:44   talked to all these people in a short [TS]

00:49:45   period of time so when I was listening [TS]

00:49:46   to this American life obviously in a [TS]

00:49:47   radio show everything is compressed and [TS]

00:49:49   they didn't discuss timeline that much [TS]

00:49:50   or if they didn't notice it so that did [TS]

00:49:53   not ring any warning bells for me that [TS]

00:49:56   it wouldn't be possible for this guy to [TS]

00:49:57   learn this much in this marathon second [TS]

00:49:59   thing is I don't know much about China [TS]

00:50:00   so when he says for example that the [TS]

00:50:02   security guards at the gates of Foxconn [TS]

00:50:05   have guns he says in this dramatic way [TS]

00:50:06   that they have guns and armory of course [TS]

00:50:08   they have guns so don't security guards [TS]

00:50:10   at every important factory in the Unites [TS]

00:50:11   like of course they have guns everybody [TS]

00:50:13   has guns it didn't you know I'm like [TS]

00:50:14   I'll roll in my eyes like oh they have [TS]

00:50:16   guns they're gonna shoot me dead because [TS]

00:50:17   they're mean right uh no like I said the [TS]

00:50:20   security guards all factory have guns [TS]

00:50:22   but if anyone knew anything about China [TS]

00:50:23   which the guy who de Munck this story [TS]

00:50:24   did that what was his name Rob Schmidt's [TS]

00:50:26   or something uh he said well security [TS]

00:50:29   cars in China can't have guns only the [TS]

00:50:31   military and the police have guns so his [TS]

00:50:33   story is suspect but I didn't know that [TS]

00:50:35   about China so one of the other reason I [TS]

00:50:36   believe them is that the things that [TS]

00:50:37   were there were warning bells to people [TS]

00:50:40   who knew about China didn't ring [TS]

00:50:41   anything for me because I just don't [TS]

00:50:42   know much that much about China and but [TS]

00:50:45   the final thing is that everything he [TS]

00:50:46   said in that show had been reported [TS]

00:50:48   elsewhere uh in terms of category so [TS]

00:50:51   underage children working we've seen [TS]

00:50:53   reports of that everywhere dangerous [TS]

00:50:55   chemicals hurting people seen reports [TS]

00:50:57   that before long were kerosene reports [TS]

00:50:59   without the suicides and the nets that [TS]

00:51:00   was like last year in year before all [TS]

00:51:02   all those things categorically like do [TS]

00:51:04   these things happen in China yes they do [TS]

00:51:06   do these things happen in China related [TS]

00:51:08   to technology manufacturing yes they do [TS]

00:51:10   so when he gave his specific instances [TS]

00:51:12   like that this person who was like this [TS]

00:51:14   then I saw these people and I did that [TS]

00:51:16   it [TS]

00:51:17   he didn't convince me that things were [TS]

00:51:19   worse than they expected because I was [TS]

00:51:21   already predisposed to think that [TS]

00:51:22   everything he was going to say it was [TS]

00:51:23   going to be overly dramatized and [TS]

00:51:25   exaggerated for effect so when he said [TS]

00:51:29   all these stories I'm like yeah alright [TS]

00:51:30   I'm sure you did meet some guy like that [TS]

00:51:31   yeah that sounds plausible yeah the you [TS]

00:51:33   saw underage workers yeah probably did [TS]

00:51:35   stuff like that all right so this week [TS]

00:51:38   or maybe last week or whatever was oh we [TS]

00:51:41   find out that he made up these things [TS]

00:51:43   that he didn't meet these people they [TS]

00:51:44   didn't sit outside the gates for ten [TS]

00:51:47   minutes and meet a bunch of underage [TS]

00:51:48   people that he didn't find some guy who [TS]

00:51:49   were just crippled by working on the [TS]

00:51:52   line [TS]

00:51:52   it didn't show an iPad to someone and [TS]

00:51:54   have this dramatic moment he says well [TS]

00:51:55   how it's magical I've never seen any [TS]

00:51:57   real he just made all that up he made it [TS]

00:51:58   all up [TS]

00:51:58   uh now despite when when I believed him [TS]

00:52:06   when you know before all this this stuff [TS]

00:52:08   had come out that he fabricated I had [TS]

00:52:09   also seen him on Real Time with Bill [TS]

00:52:11   Maher which is an HBO show that has a [TS]

00:52:13   bunch of political tight people on and [TS]

00:52:14   when I saw him on that show I already [TS]

00:52:18   went in having an opinion this is gonna [TS]

00:52:20   be a guy who was like making everything [TS]

00:52:22   dramatic and overblowing everything but [TS]

00:52:26   I thought you know maybe I'm just being [TS]

00:52:27   unfair I think this is the first time I [TS]

00:52:28   actually should just start this this is [TS]

00:52:30   the first time I saw him interviewed [TS]

00:52:31   this is before this American Life [TS]

00:52:32   episode are concurrent with it or I [TS]

00:52:33   hadn't listened to it yet so he sits [TS]

00:52:35   down in a chair across from Bill Maher [TS]

00:52:36   Hoopoe for people who don't know as a [TS]

00:52:37   comedian comedian in the United States [TS]

00:52:39   and he's on HBO which is a cable network [TS]

00:52:41   where he's allowed to curse and be lewd [TS]

00:52:43   into all these things so it's kind of [TS]

00:52:44   like an adult type show and he's [TS]

00:52:46   actually a pretty tough interviewer [TS]

00:52:47   because he will call people on their BS [TS]

00:52:49   and so he's sitting across from Bill [TS]

00:52:51   Maher and talking to him and listening [TS]

00:52:54   to that interview further reinforced the [TS]

00:52:56   idea in my mind that this guy is not out [TS]

00:52:57   to make sure he's fair to anybody [TS]

00:52:59   he has got an agenda he's got an axe to [TS]

00:53:01   grind he's not interested in balancing [TS]

00:53:03   when Bill Maher or pushback or asking [TS]

00:53:05   questions you would he would deflect he [TS]

00:53:07   his he had an agenda ah he had something [TS]

00:53:11   that he wanted to do and I'm like this [TS]

00:53:13   guy is not interested in the figuring [TS]

00:53:16   out what's really going on he's not a [TS]

00:53:17   reporter he's not a journalist obviously [TS]

00:53:19   he's an actor I should've thought that [TS]

00:53:20   he was [TS]

00:53:20   but some people can be fair-minded you [TS]

00:53:21   know like for example if you were to put [TS]

00:53:24   me on some sort of show and uh and I had [TS]

00:53:27   some sort of cause it would not be very [TS]

00:53:28   difficult to get me into a one-hour [TS]

00:53:31   monologue uh against myself you know [TS]

00:53:34   sort of telling you why my position you [TS]

00:53:36   know giving the counterpoint to all of [TS]

00:53:38   my points was that's just how my brain [TS]

00:53:39   works this guy was not interested in any [TS]

00:53:41   of the counter points to any of his [TS]

00:53:42   points he was only interested in selling [TS]

00:53:45   what he had to sell his his story of of [TS]

00:53:49   things and I think the story that Mike [TS]

00:53:51   Daisey tells himself uh is that he's [TS]

00:53:55   using his art to affect social change he [TS]

00:53:58   feels for the workers he empathizes with [TS]

00:54:01   them he thinks that what's happened to [TS]

00:54:03   them is an injustice and he wants to [TS]

00:54:05   write to that injustice any possible way [TS]

00:54:08   that he can now in Gruber show he points [TS]

00:54:14   out that even if you were 100 percent [TS]

00:54:16   cynical and thought Apple was yeah [TS]

00:54:21   totally in the wrong hair and you know [TS]

00:54:23   and it was motivated only by selfish [TS]

00:54:26   concerns and there's nothing altruistic [TS]

00:54:28   about Apple the company at all it would [TS]

00:54:31   still be an apples best interest to [TS]

00:54:32   avoid for example underage workers [TS]

00:54:34   because there's no upside for Apple [TS]

00:54:37   using underage workers if there was a [TS]

00:54:39   labor shortage and the only workers they [TS]

00:54:40   could get were underage you could say [TS]

00:54:42   it's an apples interest to use underage [TS]

00:54:43   workers because otherwise they can't [TS]

00:54:45   meet their capacity you know they can't [TS]

00:54:46   they can't manufacture a capacity [TS]

00:54:48   therefore it's in Apple's interest to [TS]

00:54:49   hire underage workers and hide it but [TS]

00:54:51   that's not the case all reports out of [TS]

00:54:53   China from everybody say that anytime [TS]

00:54:54   these companies hire they have way more [TS]

00:54:56   app way more adult applicants than they [TS]

00:54:58   could possibly hire so there is no [TS]

00:55:01   worker shortage in China and so there's [TS]

00:55:04   no upside for Apple hiring underage [TS]

00:55:06   worker that's true if anything you would [TS]

00:55:08   think that the workers who are a little [TS]

00:55:10   bit older I'm not saying elderly but [TS]

00:55:12   just older would have maybe a better [TS]

00:55:15   skill set perhaps and more to lose if [TS]

00:55:19   they were to screw the job up I don't [TS]

00:55:20   know what the Miz is not like [TS]

00:55:21   Schindler's List where the little [TS]

00:55:22   fingers can get into the shell casings [TS]

00:55:24   that's not no that's not the the [TS]

00:55:25   situation here right and there's a [TS]

00:55:27   massive downside of course of bad [TS]

00:55:28   publicity right so that that was grew [TS]

00:55:31   his argument to say like even just [TS]

00:55:32   please assume that there's no [TS]

00:55:33   not an altruistic bone in Apple's [TS]

00:55:35   corporate body that it would simply not [TS]

00:55:37   be in there just to hire underage [TS]

00:55:38   workers uh but what I think critics [TS]

00:55:42   think about this and what I think Mike [TS]

00:55:44   Daisey thinks and just like everybody [TS]

00:55:45   who's against this this Ennis this is [TS]

00:55:49   people don't I don't think people will [TS]

00:55:50   ever come out and say this but I think [TS]

00:55:52   if they examine what they're feeling and [TS]

00:55:54   thinking like if you if you if you're [TS]

00:55:57   like Mike Daisey and you think that you [TS]

00:55:59   empathize with do burgers and you think [TS]

00:56:00   it's an injustice and you want to right [TS]

00:56:02   this injustice that's the story you're [TS]

00:56:05   telling yourself and the story you tell [TS]

00:56:07   yourself about Apple is that Apple does [TS]

00:56:11   this because they're mean Apple as a [TS]

00:56:13   company as a mean company so you're like [TS]

00:56:15   because that's what macGruber was [TS]

00:56:17   getting up is he was saying like why why [TS]

00:56:18   is it that you think Apple would do is [TS]

00:56:20   and the people who are criticizing Apple [TS]

00:56:21   for these things generally don't think [TS]

00:56:23   to themselves oh well let me let me look [TS]

00:56:25   at it this way what is apples is Apple [TS]

00:56:27   motivated is there some sort of perverse [TS]

00:56:30   incentive system for Apple to to hire [TS]

00:56:32   underage workers and in the specific [TS]

00:56:34   case or underage workers I don't think [TS]

00:56:37   there is any real incentive for them to [TS]

00:56:39   do it but the people who like Mike [TS]

00:56:41   Daisey who complain about this and are [TS]

00:56:44   critical of it the underlying [TS]

00:56:46   assumptions that Apple is mean because [TS]

00:56:47   big corporations are mean we learn that [TS]

00:56:49   like they exploit the workers they're [TS]

00:56:50   only interested in the dollar they're [TS]

00:56:52   basically doing it to be mean because [TS]

00:56:54   they're not nice people right and I [TS]

00:56:56   simply don't believe it I simply don't [TS]

00:56:58   believe Apple as a corporation or most [TS]

00:57:00   corporations for that matter are doing [TS]

00:57:02   things out of cruelty sometimes there [TS]

00:57:05   are incentives to do things like for [TS]

00:57:08   example you know making making people [TS]

00:57:11   work in dangerous conditions in mines [TS]

00:57:12   because that's the way you get the gold [TS]

00:57:13   out or whatever like the corporation is [TS]

00:57:16   incentivized to damage its workers in [TS]

00:57:18   that case but in particular case of [TS]

00:57:19   underage workers I think there is no [TS]

00:57:21   incentive for Apple to do that working [TS]

00:57:23   hours on the other hand there is an [TS]

00:57:24   incentive and that incentive is you get [TS]

00:57:26   more production at it right so there is [TS]

00:57:29   some corporate incentive to make people [TS]

00:57:31   work too long and that is a more complex [TS]

00:57:32   issue as I think the person when when [TS]

00:57:35   this American life did a later episode [TS]

00:57:36   there was a retraction because of the [TS]

00:57:38   fact that many of these things were [TS]

00:57:38   fabricated in the retraction episode [TS]

00:57:40   they had a reporter from the New York [TS]

00:57:41   Times come on and he talked about the [TS]

00:57:43   overtime issue and said it's actually [TS]

00:57:44   more complex because the worker is like [TS]

00:57:46   many work [TS]

00:57:47   who are hourly they want some overtime [TS]

00:57:49   because you get you know it's good to [TS]

00:57:50   have overtime you get more money right [TS]

00:57:52   and the so it's not as if you could say [TS]

00:57:55   oh they're making the workers work too [TS]

00:57:57   much these workers should never have to [TS]

00:57:59   work overtime no they wouldn't be happy [TS]

00:58:00   with that but on the other hand the work [TS]

00:58:01   some of the workers say that you do not [TS]

00:58:03   accept the overtime that they give you [TS]

00:58:05   any overtime and all over time they'll [TS]

00:58:06   say okay well I guess you're just not [TS]

00:58:07   interested in overtime I'll give it to [TS]

00:58:08   someone else and that's bad because it's [TS]

00:58:10   like if you don't if I don't do overtime [TS]

00:58:11   every time you ask me to do it I don't [TS]

00:58:13   get any overtime so that's a situation [TS]

00:58:15   where Apple's corporate interests may [TS]

00:58:18   not be aligning with the you know what [TS]

00:58:20   we think is right and just [TS]

00:58:22   so Mike Daisey if you listen to him on [TS]

00:58:25   that show is obviously a serial [TS]

00:58:27   fabricator and cannot bring himself to [TS]

00:58:29   he he continues to tell himself this [TS]

00:58:32   story about him rioting and injustice [TS]

00:58:34   with all tools at his disposal and never [TS]

00:58:37   wants to at least on the show never [TS]

00:58:38   wants to examine like why do I feel only [TS]

00:58:42   need to lie about this why did I [TS]

00:58:43   manufacture these things I think he [TS]

00:58:45   could have had just as dramatic and [TS]

00:58:48   effective a show he didn't make up stuff [TS]

00:58:50   is the the things that we know they're [TS]

00:58:52   happening there are real and you don't [TS]

00:58:53   need to say oh I was there I saw it it [TS]

00:58:55   happened to me within a six day period [TS]

00:58:57   for it to be dramatic like you can you [TS]

00:58:59   can do one or two things you can either [TS]

00:59:01   talk about the things that happen even [TS]

00:59:03   though you weren't there [TS]

00:59:04   in a dramatic fashion or you can simply [TS]

00:59:07   say this is a dramatization and this [TS]

00:59:09   didn't really happen to me but it could [TS]

00:59:11   have because we've you know to me like I [TS]

00:59:12   don't think a dramatization is any less [TS]

00:59:14   moving or powerful to say all the things [TS]

00:59:18   that are in this dramatization have [TS]

00:59:19   happened but the characters and people [TS]

00:59:21   energy fictional including me and I'm [TS]

00:59:22   gonna include myself in it both of those [TS]

00:59:24   ways were perfectly valid ways out but [TS]

00:59:26   he just he he chose to lie about it and [TS]

00:59:28   even when caught in the lie content you [TS]

00:59:31   know just says you know adds lies on top [TS]

00:59:35   of lies and he comes down in degrees [TS]

00:59:37   like well okay that was lie but really I [TS]

00:59:39   did see that person okay well I didn't [TS]

00:59:41   see that person but someone else or that [TS]

00:59:43   person or maybe that person was maybe my [TS]

00:59:44   translator is distract and she didn't [TS]

00:59:46   see me meeting with those people just [TS]

00:59:46   always ratcheting down and bargaining he [TS]

00:59:48   never gets caught in a line can never [TS]

00:59:50   just admit that he was lying so he is [TS]

00:59:52   not a good person and I don't like him [TS]

00:59:54   and I don't like his show and I never [TS]

00:59:56   did and I think it was awful uh so [TS]

00:59:59   that's my [TS]

00:59:59   that's my [TS]

01:00:00   Daisy I never brought him up because I [TS]

01:00:01   didn't want to talk about him [TS]

01:00:03   specifically because I think it's a [TS]

01:00:04   waste of time hmm I don't even think he [TS]

01:00:08   what he does in terms of raising [TS]

01:00:09   awareness is well I think that the long [TS]

01:00:11   series of New York Times articles was a [TS]

01:00:13   much more powerful way to to effect [TS]

01:00:16   change in this area and to apply [TS]

01:00:18   pressure to Apple because I really think [TS]

01:00:19   Apple cares more about multi-day [TS]

01:00:22   front-page stories from the New York [TS]

01:00:24   Times than it does about a one-man show [TS]

01:00:25   about Steve Jobs and if anything him [TS]

01:00:30   coming out with these fabrications and [TS]

01:00:31   everything lessens is cause because now [TS]

01:00:33   people anytime we hear anything about [TS]

01:00:34   China and Apple is all like oh you know [TS]

01:00:37   I heard those were all debunked even [TS]

01:00:39   though those things still continue to [TS]

01:00:41   happen because this guy had to lie about [TS]

01:00:43   a bunch of stuff that didn't happen to [TS]

01:00:44   him now that's out in the air so that's [TS]

01:00:45   a big mess so I think he's bad but the [TS]

01:00:49   larger point about Apple in China uh I [TS]

01:00:52   upon China one of my old shows but I [TS]

01:00:54   never actually got to the larger point I [TS]

01:00:55   want to make about app on China is that [TS]

01:00:57   I question [TS]

01:00:59   I'm sure this comes up in most things [TS]

01:01:01   but this is the main concern in my mind [TS]

01:01:03   I question how much control Apple really [TS]

01:01:06   has over what happens in China the two [TS]

01:01:08   sides of this are one Apple is the [TS]

01:01:10   biggest customer they're the biggest [TS]

01:01:12   company in the whole world they've got [TS]

01:01:14   these manufacturers on the string these [TS]

01:01:16   manufacturers are killing themselves to [TS]

01:01:17   compete for Apple's business if Apple [TS]

01:01:19   says jump they're going to ask how high [TS]

01:01:20   Apple can make anything happen and the [TS]

01:01:24   other side of this is Apple can't [TS]

01:01:26   control what goes on in China Apple is [TS]

01:01:28   not Foxconn you know this there's no way [TS]

01:01:33   Apple can make things happen in China [TS]

01:01:34   and in that continuum I've more on the [TS]

01:01:38   side that Apple's ability to affect [TS]

01:01:42   change in China is extremely limited I [TS]

01:01:44   don't doubt that all these manufacturers [TS]

01:01:46   will will you know tell you know Apple [TS]

01:01:50   will say jump and they will say how high [TS]

01:01:51   mr. Apple whatever you want they are [TS]

01:01:53   really killing themselves rappers [TS]

01:01:55   business is a prestige business there's [TS]

01:01:57   lots of volume it just has many positive [TS]

01:01:59   effects these companies they want apples [TS]

01:02:01   business and they're just get you in [TS]

01:02:02   those meetings with Apple that's why [TS]

01:02:03   Apple negotiate such great deals with [TS]

01:02:05   them because Apple is in a strong [TS]

01:02:06   negotiating position but I also believe [TS]

01:02:08   those companies will say anything to get [TS]

01:02:10   the contract and then we'll do whatever [TS]

01:02:12   the hell they [TS]

01:02:13   they will try to get away whatever they [TS]

01:02:15   can get away with if Apple says we're [TS]

01:02:17   going to have random inspections and [TS]

01:02:18   stuff I guess it's all about all yes [TS]

01:02:20   Apple ID we're doing everything you say [TS]

01:02:21   and then totally lying through your [TS]

01:02:22   teeth and doing the opposite exploiting [TS]

01:02:24   workers making them work overtime hiring [TS]

01:02:26   on everything everything that these [TS]

01:02:27   companies have been accused of I feel [TS]

01:02:29   like they are doing simply because [TS]

01:02:31   corruption is rampant in China in [TS]

01:02:33   general there is no great oversight and [TS]

01:02:37   it's not a free country where you can [TS]

01:02:39   have this type of oversight on top of [TS]

01:02:40   everything the manufacturers and the [TS]

01:02:43   Chinese government itself is not [TS]

01:02:44   incentivized to do what Apple says [TS]

01:02:46   they're incentivized to make Apple think [TS]

01:02:47   they're doing what they say and maybe [TS]

01:02:48   sometimes the easiest way to do that is [TS]

01:02:50   to actually do what they say but I think [TS]

01:02:52   these these people are not acting in [TS]

01:02:54   good faith and Apple's own reports about [TS]

01:02:57   how the compliance shows that over years [TS]

01:03:00   and years their compliance is not really [TS]

01:03:02   getting much better and that's with [TS]

01:03:04   apples inspections I don't even think [TS]

01:03:06   apples inspections or even finding all [TS]

01:03:07   the problems that are there because I [TS]

01:03:08   think these companies are excellent at [TS]

01:03:10   hiding the things that they're doing [TS]

01:03:11   wrong uh and so what do you do if you're [TS]

01:03:14   a ballif you know you have these [TS]

01:03:15   manufacturers that are out there do you [TS]

01:03:17   really want them to do the right thing [TS]

01:03:18   you have this code of conduct and [TS]

01:03:19   they're just simply not complying and [TS]

01:03:20   you say well just don't manufacture in [TS]

01:03:23   China and you know manufacturing the [TS]

01:03:26   United States and said as many people [TS]

01:03:30   have talked about on various programs [TS]

01:03:31   and in the New York Times it's not just [TS]

01:03:33   the cost of labor it's not like oh if [TS]

01:03:34   you had to pay American workers it would [TS]

01:03:35   cost more it's the supply chains that [TS]

01:03:37   all the manufacturers are in the same [TS]

01:03:38   place it's that all the factories are in [TS]

01:03:40   geographically in the same place so all [TS]

01:03:42   the parts are together so you don't have [TS]

01:03:43   to wait two weeks or something to go on [TS]

01:03:45   a boat to get to you if Apple were to [TS]

01:03:47   move all this Manufacturing's United [TS]

01:03:49   States so we just bumped across your [TS]

01:03:51   iPhone 20% first of all even that would [TS]

01:03:52   be untenable because people would scream [TS]

01:03:53   bloody murder and their sales would go [TS]

01:03:55   down their share would go down the stock [TS]

01:03:57   price will go down would be bad but even [TS]

01:03:59   ignoring that it would be a competitive [TS]

01:04:01   disadvantage to them because all their [TS]

01:04:04   stuff would be someplace else and by the [TS]

01:04:05   way if you just moved the final assembly [TS]

01:04:07   the United States it still means all the [TS]

01:04:08   people making all the widgets in China [TS]

01:04:09   are still being exploited or whatever so [TS]

01:04:11   I think Apple is doing the right thing [TS]

01:04:13   here it's not saying well forget we have [TS]

01:04:15   the right off China entirely because [TS]

01:04:16   these guys lied to us and they're not [TS]

01:04:17   being compliant so we have to do [TS]

01:04:18   something else we're going to [TS]

01:04:19   manufacture every single piece of this [TS]

01:04:20   the United States at tremendous cost and [TS]

01:04:22   triple the cost of our phones or [TS]

01:04:23   whatever and again it's not the labor [TS]

01:04:25   it's it's the [TS]

01:04:26   factories and the staffing and the [TS]

01:04:28   people who oversee the factories and [TS]

01:04:29   hiring all those people [TS]

01:04:31   it's a logistics nightmare that's just [TS]

01:04:32   you know even if you said everything [TS]

01:04:34   comes to the United States and you just [TS]

01:04:35   pick one state and everyone flocks to [TS]

01:04:36   that state you need thousands and [TS]

01:04:38   thousands of highly qualified [TS]

01:04:40   manufacturing engineers who don't even [TS]

01:04:41   exist in the United States or exist and [TS]

01:04:44   are employed and you have to make them [TS]

01:04:45   all quit their jobs and it's just you [TS]

01:04:47   have to get these factories they have to [TS]

01:04:49   be built and they cost billions of [TS]

01:04:50   dollars to build it's not like you can [TS]

01:04:51   just you know make snap your fingers and [TS]

01:04:53   they appear it's just simply not [TS]

01:04:54   possible to move all that stuff that's [TS]

01:04:56   there that took decades to build up and [TS]

01:04:58   move it here they have the people they [TS]

01:05:00   have the expertise they're all [TS]

01:05:01   geographically located near each other [TS]

01:05:02   so moving manufacturing out of China [TS]

01:05:05   does not seem like an option to me and [TS]

01:05:06   the only option is to try to work with [TS]

01:05:08   the Chinese to say geez we'd really like [TS]

01:05:10   you to comply with these labor [TS]

01:05:12   restrictions that we have and we'd [TS]

01:05:14   really like it if you didn't lie to us [TS]

01:05:16   and we really like it if our random [TS]

01:05:17   inspections were really random and if [TS]

01:05:19   year-over-year you got better and I [TS]

01:05:21   think Apple is applying pressure there [TS]

01:05:23   but what can Apple do short of firing [TS]

01:05:24   them that's their like Apple can't can't [TS]

01:05:27   you know Apple can move its business [TS]

01:05:29   elsewhere to another company that does [TS]

01:05:30   exactly the same things in China with [TS]

01:05:31   just you know it's not that that's [TS]

01:05:33   that's all it can do to punish somebody [TS]

01:05:35   is to put the business elsewhere and [TS]

01:05:36   Apple does spread its business around [TS]

01:05:37   like some of it is what with money [TS]

01:05:39   manufacture some with another mostly [TS]

01:05:41   just for redundancy and to end to [TS]

01:05:43   protect itself I really don't know what [TS]

01:05:48   Apple can do to be 100 percent sure that [TS]

01:05:50   it's really causing them to change their [TS]

01:05:53   ways and I feel for Apple in this regard [TS]

01:05:56   because they're big they're between a [TS]

01:05:57   rock and a hard place because I really [TS]

01:05:58   believe the Apple not because they're [TS]

01:06:01   altruistic but just from a business [TS]

01:06:02   perspective Apple does not want this [TS]

01:06:04   stuff to go on they don't want people [TS]

01:06:05   working they send me lines till they die [TS]

01:06:07   they don't want underaged people working [TS]

01:06:11   there because it's all downside not [TS]

01:06:12   upside there's plenty of able-bodied [TS]

01:06:14   people there don't pay them overtime put [TS]

01:06:16   it in a different worker on a different [TS]

01:06:17   shift and pay them normal time you know [TS]

01:06:19   like it but know there's some people in [TS]

01:06:22   the New York Times thing on this [TS]

01:06:24   American life that the guy was saying [TS]

01:06:25   that Apple brings us on by negotiating [TS]

01:06:27   such harsh deals with the manufacturers [TS]

01:06:29   so there's been so little profit left [TS]

01:06:30   for them they have to cut corners to [TS]

01:06:32   make their money again I say that's on [TS]

01:06:34   the manufacturers don't put in a bid [TS]

01:06:36   that you know you will have to exploit [TS]

01:06:37   your workers to [TS]

01:06:39   ah to comply with the terms of and and [TS]

01:06:43   what can I do there say look if you're [TS]

01:06:45   bidding you have to comply with our code [TS]

01:06:47   of conduct so keep that in mind and say [TS]

01:06:48   yes yes oh yeah we'll definitely comply [TS]

01:06:50   here's our bid and so they pick the [TS]

01:06:51   lowest bidder who has the best quality [TS]

01:06:53   standards and produces the best stuff [TS]

01:06:55   and then those people exploit their [TS]

01:06:57   workers and it's like well I you know [TS]

01:06:58   all right you've lost the deal because [TS]

01:06:59   you're not being compliant I'm gonna go [TS]

01:07:00   to the next guy and the next guy does [TS]

01:07:01   the same thing [TS]

01:07:02   I I think Apple this is a problem needs [TS]

01:07:05   to be addressed but I think Apple's [TS]

01:07:06   ability to make other companies in China [TS]

01:07:10   like literally make them do stuff is [TS]

01:07:12   very limited and I don't know the [TS]

01:07:15   details of what they could be doing [TS]

01:07:16   better or what they're not doing enough [TS]

01:07:17   or how they can change the situation but [TS]

01:07:20   I think it would be much easier to get [TS]

01:07:23   compliance from an American company [TS]

01:07:24   simply because it's in America which is [TS]

01:07:26   slightly less corrupt than China [TS]

01:07:27   slightly and and all the same laws apply [TS]

01:07:32   and you'd be closer to them as just I [TS]

01:07:35   know so that's where I come down in the [TS]

01:07:37   app won't try anything I think [TS]

01:07:38   everything that's happening there is bad [TS]

01:07:39   uh but I'm I don't know enough to say [TS]

01:07:44   how much more Apple could be doing but I [TS]

01:07:47   do I do think their ability to snap [TS]

01:07:49   their fingers and make everything comply [TS]

01:07:50   it's not as bad and by the way the meta [TS]

01:07:51   point on this is that I think the people [TS]

01:07:54   who manufacture our underwear are [TS]

01:07:55   probably in way worse conditions like [TS]

01:07:57   textile manufacturing like everything [TS]

01:07:58   that we have this in our countries [TS]

01:08:00   manufactured in some third-world country [TS]

01:08:01   by workers that are horribly exploited [TS]

01:08:03   yeah but you know what I don't think [TS]

01:08:05   that people in general are holding the [TS]

01:08:09   sweatshops that make our clothing in [TS]

01:08:12   especially high regard and talking about [TS]

01:08:14   how life-changing you know their sweater [TS]

01:08:17   is and almost worshipping the company [TS]

01:08:21   that made their sweater I'm not saying [TS]

01:08:22   people don't but I'm saying that that [TS]

01:08:25   the Apple is in receipt of great [TS]

01:08:27   adoration and admiration by a lot of [TS]

01:08:30   people and and here it you know it for [TS]

01:08:34   whatever reason and I'm sure there's a [TS]

01:08:36   there's a term for this II can remind me [TS]

01:08:38   of but people everywhere love to see [TS]

01:08:41   something that is successful exposed [TS]

01:08:45   even if it's a company that they love [TS]

01:08:47   it's it's quite exciting to find great [TS]

01:08:50   fault and some magical mysterious [TS]

01:08:52   Achilles heel [TS]

01:08:53   exposed and say oh this company you [TS]

01:08:55   thought was good that seemed to be doing [TS]

01:08:57   so much good whether it is or not I got [TS]

01:09:00   there really bad because look at this [TS]

01:09:02   that they knew about and they hit it and [TS]

01:09:04   they're really are you know they're [TS]

01:09:06   really evil and all along we thought [TS]

01:09:09   they were good and everything you [TS]

01:09:11   believed was wrong you know it's man [TS]

01:09:14   bites dog vs. dog bites man one is a [TS]

01:09:16   story one's not so once you've got a [TS]

01:09:17   some company that everyone admires the [TS]

01:09:19   story is that it's something bad once [TS]

01:09:20   you've got if you've got a company [TS]

01:09:21   that's an underdog the story is that [TS]

01:09:23   actually they're good so yeah that flips [TS]

01:09:24   when you ever you become a leader and [TS]

01:09:25   and by the way the thing this is where [TS]

01:09:28   this gets all hung up and I'll bring in [TS]

01:09:30   a vaguely political thing here as an [TS]

01:09:32   example because it's the example I [TS]

01:09:33   always think of the Iraq war going into [TS]

01:09:36   Iraq to get rid of Saddam Hussein one of [TS]

01:09:38   the big arguments against that even when [TS]

01:09:40   we thought all the evidence being [TS]

01:09:41   presented was actually true and we [TS]

01:09:42   didn't know any better but even even if [TS]

01:09:44   you were to accept the evidence is true [TS]

01:09:46   you would say well alright so Saddam [TS]

01:09:48   Hussein's a bad person who does bad [TS]

01:09:50   things to his people and this actually [TS]

01:09:51   was true uh if we get rid of him like [TS]

01:09:54   now we got it what do we got to get to [TS]

01:09:55   get rid of everybody uh what is the new [TS]

01:09:58   US policy every to every place every [TS]

01:10:01   country that has a bad leader we go in [TS]

01:10:02   and overthrow that leader and put in a [TS]

01:10:04   new one and fix the countries that's not [TS]

01:10:06   a tenable policy and I never found that [TS]

01:10:09   a compelling arguments against going in [TS]

01:10:11   there are many other much more [TS]

01:10:12   compelling arguments against going in [TS]

01:10:14   but that particular argument was yes [TS]

01:10:16   doing this would be good but there are [TS]

01:10:19   many other things that are just as bad [TS]

01:10:21   and if we don't fix all of them it's not [TS]

01:10:22   worth fixing one so that's the argument [TS]

01:10:24   kind of like the people who make my [TS]

01:10:25   underwear are are working in horrible [TS]

01:10:28   conditions therefore we shouldn't fix [TS]

01:10:30   working conditions in China there are [TS]

01:10:32   there are situations in the world where [TS]

01:10:33   the same bad thing is happening in many [TS]

01:10:35   different places and fixing one of them [TS]

01:10:37   is still good even if you can't fix all [TS]

01:10:39   the other ones so anyone you know this [TS]

01:10:41   comes up all the time and argument stuff [TS]

01:10:42   anyways it was probably a term for this [TS]

01:10:44   but I don't know what either that we [TS]

01:10:46   shouldn't do this because if you do this [TS]

01:10:49   and you don't do that same thing in [TS]

01:10:51   these ten other places [TS]

01:10:52   that's like hypocritical and you [TS]

01:10:54   shouldn't do that be doing one good [TS]

01:10:56   thing is better than doing zero good [TS]

01:10:57   things so I don't think the fact that [TS]

01:10:59   everyone who manufactures all of our [TS]

01:11:00   stuff is working in conditions that no [TS]

01:11:02   American would want are picking our [TS]

01:11:03   fruit for that matter anything even in [TS]

01:11:05   this country how this country [TS]

01:11:06   those workers who have it worse than we [TS]

01:11:09   do addressing one of those situations is [TS]

01:11:12   is not something we shouldn't do because [TS]

01:11:14   well if you address that one there's [TS]

01:11:16   still all these other people what about [TS]

01:11:17   the people that pick the strawberries [TS]

01:11:18   what about the people that make the [TS]

01:11:19   t-shirts what about the people be [TS]

01:11:20   assembled in Nikes but that's true of [TS]

01:11:22   all those people ah but if we can fix it [TS]

01:11:25   in one place I think China is a good [TS]

01:11:27   place to try simply because they are so [TS]

01:11:29   clearly like on their road to middle [TS]

01:11:33   class like you know China 50 years ago [TS]

01:11:35   people are on farms right and mud huts [TS]

01:11:38   or whatever and now they're working in a [TS]

01:11:39   factory where the working conditions are [TS]

01:11:42   something that no American would want [TS]

01:11:43   but it's you know and I'm not even gonna [TS]

01:11:46   say they're happier than they were when [TS]

01:11:47   they were on the farms but it's clearly [TS]

01:11:48   on the path you can see the progression [TS]

01:11:50   for that to living in the city to out [TS]

01:11:53   you know saving some money to your kids [TS]

01:11:56   having a better life than you do we've [TS]

01:11:57   all any industrialized country sort of [TS]

01:11:59   been through this and gone through their [TS]

01:12:00   own sort of industrial resolution where [TS]

01:12:02   the kids are getting ground-up into the [TS]

01:12:03   meat and being put in cans and the [TS]

01:12:05   triangle shirt factory fire and all [TS]

01:12:07   starts right you know like every country [TS]

01:12:09   has gone through this and it is painful [TS]

01:12:10   us to see like look we already went [TS]

01:12:11   through and we were kind of the first [TS]

01:12:12   ones us in England and you know the [TS]

01:12:14   first world quote-unquote so like we we [TS]

01:12:16   know where the ending is come with us [TS]

01:12:18   we'll skip B to the end but it seems [TS]

01:12:19   like it's very difficult to get these [TS]

01:12:21   other countries to skip to the end but [TS]

01:12:22   China at least like there's a rising [TS]

01:12:24   certainly a rising upper class of the [TS]

01:12:26   crazy rich people in China but there is [TS]

01:12:28   a rising middle class but like lower [TS]

01:12:30   middle class or whatever so it's [TS]

01:12:33   probably easier to get something to [TS]

01:12:37   happen in China than it is like go to [TS]

01:12:39   Bangladesh or something and try to get [TS]

01:12:40   those people to skip from I literally [TS]

01:12:42   looking in mud huts to you know having a [TS]

01:12:45   car in an iPhone themselves so it's [TS]

01:12:48   basically you know this as you pointed [TS]

01:12:51   out this is a story because it's a man [TS]

01:12:53   by dog story and just things make good [TS]

01:12:54   stories when they're you know when it's [TS]

01:12:56   unexpected or the opposite of what you [TS]

01:12:58   would expect so the company that makes [TS]

01:12:59   the expensive products that everybody [TS]

01:13:01   loves that everyone thinks is great [TS]

01:13:03   they're manufactured into a rural [TS]

01:13:05   country same thing with Nike by the way [TS]

01:13:07   because Nike had a such image back in [TS]

01:13:08   the Michael Jordan days it's like but [TS]

01:13:09   did you know these Nike shoes are [TS]

01:13:11   manufactured by poor people and horrible [TS]

01:13:12   conditions which is all true [TS]

01:13:14   that's why that's a story but it's this [TS]

01:13:17   is like a this is a world problem it's [TS]

01:13:19   not not an apple problem it's not [TS]

01:13:20   technology problem it's not a China [TS]

01:13:22   problem this is a world problem that [TS]

01:13:23   there's any quality and wealth in the [TS]

01:13:26   world and on every possible level in [TS]

01:13:28   every pot even within the country you [TS]

01:13:30   know that this this problem exists so [TS]

01:13:32   this story quickly becomes so large the [TS]

01:13:35   people tend to just not want to think [TS]

01:13:36   about it so I think it's good that there [TS]

01:13:37   has that and for the record I mean you [TS]

01:13:39   know Apple it you can read about what [TS]

01:13:42   Apple's doing Apple's trying to make it [TS]

01:13:43   better [TS]

01:13:44   some companies aren't trying to make it [TS]

01:13:45   better now I don't know if anybody is [TS]

01:13:48   not I think every company is motivated [TS]

01:13:50   to try it's it's I think it's right to [TS]

01:13:54   question like why didn't Apple dress the [TS]

01:13:56   Sun around why they only doing it it [TS]

01:13:57   seemingly only doing it in response to [TS]

01:13:59   bad press starting in like 2003 early [TS]

01:14:01   2000s or whatever this is how the system [TS]

01:14:03   is supposed to work the press finds [TS]

01:14:04   things that are bad companies respond to [TS]

01:14:06   of is that all at bad press this is an [TS]

01:14:08   example of you know this companies are [TS]

01:14:10   motivated to just make as much money as [TS]

01:14:11   they can even if they are altruistic [TS]

01:14:12   it's very easy to slip into doing things [TS]

01:14:14   that are bad and the press is a [TS]

01:14:15   counterbalance of that the press in [TS]

01:14:17   China perhaps less so because they're [TS]

01:14:18   not quite as free as they are here to [TS]

01:14:20   write whatever they want about anybody [TS]

01:14:21   so they out the whole of China I think [TS]

01:14:23   when we did discuss this briefly I said [TS]

01:14:24   that China is due for a giant bloody [TS]

01:14:26   revolution because you simply cannot go [TS]

01:14:28   from an agrarian society to the first [TS]

01:14:32   world while maintaining a dictatorship [TS]

01:14:34   communist dictatorship government the [TS]

01:14:35   whole way through something's going to [TS]

01:14:37   happen there and I think it will be [TS]

01:14:38   nasty right and bad for everybody [TS]

01:14:39   including all of us who want our goods [TS]

01:14:40   manufactured cheaply in China would you [TS]

01:14:44   like to do our last sponsor that's a [TS]

01:14:46   good idea what would you like to do it [TS]

01:14:48   how do I do it as a BBEdit [TS]

01:14:50   it is I can't I don't have nothing to [TS]

01:14:53   read about BBEdit but your mom you've [TS]

01:14:55   used BBEdit longer I think even than [TS]

01:14:57   John Gruber which is longer than anybody [TS]

01:14:58   else that I know yeah every working day [TS]

01:15:01   of my life including when I was working [TS]

01:15:03   almost full-time in my last year of [TS]

01:15:05   college I would go to work every day sit [TS]

01:15:07   down in front of a Macintosh brand [TS]

01:15:09   computer and type into BBEdit and long [TS]

01:15:12   before I was working I was using BBEdit [TS]

01:15:14   on my you know for did you do to my work [TS]

01:15:16   to do everything that having to do with [TS]

01:15:18   my schoolwork I've used BBEdit since [TS]

01:15:20   probably version to 2.5 ish somewhere [TS]

01:15:23   maybe 2.5 it is by far my favorite text [TS]

01:15:27   editor on any system and yes I've used [TS]

01:15:29   the Emacs and VI and VI m or vim if [TS]

01:15:32   you're nasty [TS]

01:15:34   and it literally had still has more like [TS]

01:15:39   Emacs has more features than I have ever [TS]

01:15:41   seen there are still features in beabea [TS]

01:15:43   that I do not know exist that I discover [TS]

01:15:45   I think only like a few years ago I [TS]

01:15:46   discovered that BB edit has multiple [TS]

01:15:48   clipboards in the application I'd used [TS]

01:15:50   it for at that point like a decade and a [TS]

01:15:52   half and I didn't know that and to this [TS]

01:15:53   day I didn't know that did you know it [TS]

01:15:55   has his own native support for multiple [TS]

01:15:57   clipboards and the best time to find [TS]

01:15:59   this is when I found was like this [TS]

01:16:01   before I had a system-wide a global [TS]

01:16:02   clipboard manager on then like you [TS]

01:16:04   copied something but then you copied [TS]

01:16:05   something else and you over wrote the [TS]

01:16:06   thing that you copy like oh no I lost [TS]

01:16:08   that data no you didn't it's actually be [TS]

01:16:09   beheaded he kept track of it and bring [TS]

01:16:11   up the clipboard window hit ctrl left [TS]

01:16:13   hour or whatever it is to go back to the [TS]

01:16:14   clipboard history and there it is best [TS]

01:16:16   moment ever and bb-8 is full of things [TS]

01:16:18   like that and for an application that's [TS]

01:16:20   been around as long as BBEdit has they [TS]

01:16:22   continue to modernize it continue to [TS]

01:16:24   update it they they recently redesigned [TS]

01:16:27   their Preferences window which had been [TS]

01:16:29   the same forever you know everything [TS]

01:16:31   about this applications like Photoshop [TS]

01:16:32   cs6 it continues to evolve don't think [TS]

01:16:35   this is an application you're going to [TS]

01:16:36   load it and think this looks like it was [TS]

01:16:37   made in 1992 it doesn't it looks like a [TS]

01:16:39   modern application and it gets more [TS]

01:16:41   modern everyday reshuffling where things [TS]

01:16:43   are adding support things like Dropbox [TS]

01:16:45   where you can put your application [TS]

01:16:46   support folder in the Dropbox folder and [TS]

01:16:48   all your scripts and customizations or [TS]

01:16:50   syncs between them it's like iCloud [TS]

01:16:51   before iCloud so I cannot recommend [TS]

01:16:54   BBEdit enough anybody who's any text [TS]

01:16:57   editing on the Mac even if you say oh [TS]

01:16:59   well I like to write in like by word or [TS]

01:17:01   something where you write your prose or [TS]

01:17:02   whatever there is a role for BBEdit in [TS]

01:17:04   everybody's life even if you're not a [TS]

01:17:06   programmer for just a plain text better [TS]

01:17:08   people don't know what a text editor is [TS]

01:17:09   it's a text editor it's not styled text [TS]

01:17:12   it's not page layout it is literally for [TS]

01:17:14   doing text and and if any of you are a [TS]

01:17:17   programmer or something you could [TS]

01:17:18   definitely have this it will handle your [TS]

01:17:19   giant 10 megabyte Apache log files you [TS]

01:17:22   can search through them into search or [TS]

01:17:24   in place you can process the lines sort [TS]

01:17:25   the lines for a full perl grep regular [TS]

01:17:29   expressions support it is power tool for [TS]

01:17:32   text I don't know what the actual ad [TS]

01:17:34   copy is for BBEdit but I cannot [TS]

01:17:35   recommend this product highly enough [TS]

01:17:37   it's better than in the ad copy I have [TS]

01:17:39   thank you John so you can go to BB edit [TS]

01:17:41   comm you can go to bare-bones comm and [TS]

01:17:44   you can download a free trial [TS]

01:17:47   which is what I recommend you do it's [TS]

01:17:50   really the best way to get an idea for [TS]

01:17:52   you can buy right there on the site you [TS]

01:17:56   know what it's only it's only 50 bucks [TS]

01:17:58   yeah I can't believe that I've been [TS]

01:18:00   buying BBEdit since it was like triple [TS]

01:18:02   digit prices like SBB I used to be much [TS]

01:18:04   more expensive and I guess since like [TS]

01:18:05   the advent of the Mac App Store and the [TS]

01:18:07   readjustment of pricing I don't know [TS]

01:18:09   what it is that caused the prices to go [TS]

01:18:10   down it used to be like you do an [TS]

01:18:12   upgrade for like 70 bucks like if you [TS]

01:18:13   bought it you bought it for 125 or 130 [TS]

01:18:15   and then like oh I get to upgrade to the [TS]

01:18:17   next major version 417 you feel like it [TS]

01:18:18   was a great deal I get the next version [TS]

01:18:20   for only 70 bucks I don't have to buy it [TS]

01:18:21   again for 120 now you get the whole [TS]

01:18:22   thing out ride for 50 bucks [TS]

01:18:24   it is unbelievably cheap unbelievably [TS]

01:18:26   cheap then get it there you can get in [TS]

01:18:28   the App Store to search for bebe in it [TS]

01:18:30   so try it out yeah and it's made in [TS]

01:18:35   America [TS]

01:18:35   well Rhode Island I mean America I don't [TS]

01:18:40   know if that counts a little bit a [TS]

01:18:42   little bit more more it's more America [TS]

01:18:44   than Florida for sure yeah I guess [TS]

01:18:48   that's all I had for my stuff here what [TS]

01:18:51   have you got for me well you know I was [TS]

01:18:53   thinking about it all week long and I [TS]

01:18:55   actually was gonna spray if you hadn't [TS]

01:18:57   talked about the Mike Daisey thing that [TS]

01:18:58   was going to be the thing that I was [TS]

01:19:01   going to spring on you know no you did [TS]

01:19:03   you hit it so that was a you know on my [TS]

01:19:05   list of big topics for the week I was [TS]

01:19:10   wondering if you wanted to go into a [TS]

01:19:13   little bit of detail at all well I don't [TS]

01:19:16   know if I have time for it about the [TS]

01:19:18   progressive jpg thing the thing that [TS]

01:19:22   Duncan Davison just put up yeah [TS]

01:19:24   basically he he discovered that there [TS]

01:19:31   are some issues where you know of course [TS]

01:19:32   you and we have time for this we say for [TS]

01:19:36   that why don't we save it for the next [TS]

01:19:37   show for the next show [TS]

01:19:39   but that's a big topic a whole table [TS]

01:19:42   well it can I have only read a little [TS]

01:19:44   bit about this at least tell me this if [TS]

01:19:46   you've read more than I have has bit [TS]

01:19:48   been determined to anyone in [TS]

01:19:49   satisfaction whether this is a bug or a [TS]

01:19:52   decision it seems at least from what I [TS]

01:19:55   read and I'll tell you what I'll go [TS]

01:19:57   ahead and I'll put this into the show [TS]

01:19:58   notes so people who want to get a [TS]

01:19:59   jumpstart [TS]

01:20:00   and learn more about what we're talking [TS]

01:20:02   about a friend of a friend of mine James [TS]

01:20:06   Duncan Davidson he's a photographer [TS]

01:20:08   he was very curious about getting things [TS]

01:20:13   to look good photographs in particular [TS]

01:20:15   getting them to look good [TS]

01:20:17   on the retina display because obviously [TS]

01:20:23   if you have just a regular exported for [TS]

01:20:26   the web style image 72 dpi type image [TS]

01:20:30   it's it might not look that great on the [TS]

01:20:34   retina display when you're browsing [TS]

01:20:35   around on the web so yes you can you can [TS]

01:20:38   double the size of the image which is [TS]

01:20:42   the technique that many you know [TS]

01:20:44   designers and developers have done but [TS]

01:20:49   it turns out that there's a WebKit limit [TS]

01:20:51   on retina JPEG images and he ran into [TS]

01:20:56   this and he he goes into great detail [TS]

01:20:58   explaining these different tests and [TS]

01:21:02   what's actually happening but the [TS]

01:21:05   interesting part is what happens if you [TS]

01:21:07   pixel double an image that gets too big [TS]

01:21:09   it doesn't actually display it properly [TS]

01:21:11   at all so there's there's a whole [TS]

01:21:13   conversation about this but what what [TS]

01:21:16   the answer is apparently is that you [TS]

01:21:18   need to use a progressive jpg in order [TS]

01:21:23   to make things work correctly and he [TS]

01:21:28   says okay he says rotate to landscape [TS]

01:21:30   orientation and tap the image and wait [TS]

01:21:32   for a second or three and maybe a bit [TS]

01:21:33   longer for the high-res image to load he [TS]

01:21:35   says and then here is an image that [TS]

01:21:37   looks you know amazing and and looks [TS]

01:21:42   really good on the retina display [TS]

01:21:43   compared to the other one and anyway [TS]

01:21:45   this is a topic I'd like for you to [TS]

01:21:47   weigh in on but maybe I can do a little [TS]

01:21:49   homework first yeah I think right now I [TS]

01:21:52   know but it seems like a bug because the [TS]

01:21:54   fact that it works with pings and [TS]

01:21:55   doesn't work with JPEGs but works to [TS]

01:21:57   progressive jpgs I think I saw one of [TS]

01:21:58   the report of saying like it's actually [TS]

01:22:00   not a hard size limit if you go above [TS]

01:22:01   that limit but your multiple 16 in one [TS]

01:22:03   dimension that it works oh that that [TS]

01:22:05   does sound like it does this all sounds [TS]

01:22:07   like a bug but I think the the meta [TS]

01:22:09   problem is so you got these double res [TS]

01:22:11   displays now we've had it for a while in [TS]

01:22:13   the iPhone [TS]

01:22:13   now we have it on the iPad and for some [TS]

01:22:14   reason when it was on the iPhone people [TS]

01:22:16   weren't so concerned about like oh you [TS]

01:22:18   got to put double size images on your [TS]

01:22:19   web pages all look bad but from what [TS]

01:22:22   I've seen I haven't seen still haven't [TS]

01:22:23   seen an iPad 3 in person but from what [TS]

01:22:24   I've seen people taking pictures of it [TS]

01:22:26   it really is true that if you take a 9 [TS]

01:22:29   retina image like a regular image that's [TS]

01:22:31   supposed to show as 500 by 5 inches on [TS]

01:22:33   an iPad 2 and you show that exactly the [TS]

01:22:36   same size 5 inches by 5 inches on an [TS]

01:22:37   iPad 3 without increasing the resolution [TS]

01:22:39   any and it may Purcell for example for [TS]

01:22:41   every pixel on the iPad 2 screen 4 [TS]

01:22:43   pixels appear on the iPad 3 screen it [TS]

01:22:45   really does look worse ones pictures [TS]

01:22:48   anyway I haven't seen in person and it [TS]

01:22:49   seems counter trip like isn't it exactly [TS]

01:22:50   the same thing what do I care if it's [TS]

01:22:52   for white pixels versus one white pixel [TS]

01:22:55   shouldn't they look exactly the same [TS]

01:22:56   like how could it possibly look worse [TS]

01:22:58   it's not worse the exact same amount of [TS]

01:23:00   information is being fed to the browser [TS]

01:23:01   and on the screen those 4 pixels are [TS]

01:23:04   exactly the same size as the one pixel [TS]

01:23:05   why does it look worse my theories [TS]

01:23:07   having not seen this in person my theory [TS]

01:23:08   is that it looks worse because one white [TS]

01:23:11   pixel when you do the ratio of how much [TS]

01:23:13   of the area of that one white pixel [TS]

01:23:15   emits light versus how much doesn't emit [TS]

01:23:17   light on the retina display there's more [TS]

01:23:20   non light-emitting areas you've got the [TS]

01:23:22   decreases you know the lower of gaps [TS]

01:23:24   between each pixel and the gaps between [TS]

01:23:25   the pixels there and that's why I'm [TS]

01:23:28   theorizing that it does look worse but [TS]

01:23:30   in all the pictures people have taken [TS]

01:23:31   photos of their iPad 2 and 3 screens [TS]

01:23:32   it's dramatic the difference between the [TS]

01:23:34   same exact picture on the 3 & 2 screen [TS]

01:23:36   when you don't have something that has [TS]

01:23:38   added information for the Retina display [TS]

01:23:40   perhaps just as dramatic if you do have [TS]

01:23:42   Retina information than the iPad 2 [TS]

01:23:43   screen looks like crap so suddenly [TS]

01:23:45   people are very very motivated to get [TS]

01:23:48   good looking images in and the browser [TS]

01:23:50   WebKit and Safari report to the browser [TS]

01:23:53   that the screen is exactly the same size [TS]

01:23:54   as the iPad 2 so it's not as if you know [TS]

01:23:56   you can do detection and say ah you know [TS]

01:23:59   it's that's why it displays them in that [TS]

01:24:01   blurry type fashion it says up you know [TS]

01:24:02   400 pixels I will show it an 800 pixels [TS]

01:24:05   but don't tell anyone I'm still it's [TS]

01:24:06   still 400 pixels here yeah to the quick [TS]

01:24:09   one if you want to do that I think it [TS]

01:24:10   was a webpage that reference this was [TS]

01:24:12   just just give it the 800 pixel image [TS]

01:24:13   but in the image tag put this the demo [TS]

01:24:15   the width and height is 400 yeah that's [TS]

01:24:17   the most barbaric way to just at least [TS]

01:24:19   get this to worse but then you're [TS]

01:24:20   feeding everybody a double size image [TS]

01:24:21   whether they need it or not I mean you [TS]

01:24:22   could do this for years I remember back [TS]

01:24:24   in the day that practice was heavily [TS]

01:24:26   frowned upon dear [TS]

01:24:27   member why that practice was ever leave [TS]

01:24:28   around because bandwidth was such a [TS]

01:24:30   commodity and everybody's connection was [TS]

01:24:32   so slow so you'd be sending them an [TS]

01:24:33   image that was way bigger than anybody [TS]

01:24:35   could ever hope to display and we were [TS]

01:24:37   costing them time and money in the [TS]

01:24:39   process but the biggest reason you know [TS]

01:24:41   that was true that we're talking about [TS]

01:24:42   we're talking big we're talking about [TS]

01:24:44   like oh you are you sending a 400 by 500 [TS]

01:24:46   image that's too big you can't wait to [TS]

01:24:48   use this thing but the the main reason [TS]

01:24:50   that I always avoided in the my web [TS]

01:24:51   pages was because in Internet Explorer [TS]

01:24:54   they were using like nearest-neighbor [TS]

01:24:55   scaling and it looked all at dalek IE so [TS]

01:24:58   like the Mac versions would always scale [TS]

01:24:59   you know you you would have a page of [TS]

01:25:01   thumbnails and all those thumbnails [TS]

01:25:02   would actually be the full-sized [TS]

01:25:04   versions but width and height set [TS]

01:25:05   differently on the image tags and yeah [TS]

01:25:06   it'll be a big bandwidth hog and you [TS]

01:25:09   know you take a while to download but at [TS]

01:25:10   least the Mac would shrink them and do a [TS]

01:25:12   reasonable job of shrinking them but on [TS]

01:25:13   IE they would look like these scrambled [TS]

01:25:15   pieces a mess it was just untenable as a [TS]

01:25:17   web practice because everyone was using [TS]

01:25:18   high E and ie refused to scale nowadays [TS]

01:25:20   all browsers pretty much scale images in [TS]

01:25:23   a way that wouldn't make you embarrassed [TS]

01:25:25   to have it on your web page so you could [TS]

01:25:26   in theory serve up at you know an 800 by [TS]

01:25:32   407 height to you know 400 by 200 and [TS]

01:25:37   but the only thing you're doing there is [TS]

01:25:38   you're still wasting bandwidth and now [TS]

01:25:40   that images are so much larger the [TS]

01:25:41   bandwidth is still concerned because [TS]

01:25:43   suddenly the big version our images are [TS]

01:25:44   really humongous Peschel ii-if it's a [TS]

01:25:45   ping and something that doesn't have as [TS]

01:25:47   much lossy compression as a JPEG or [TS]

01:25:48   something that's a lot of extra [TS]

01:25:50   bandwidth that you're feeding especially [TS]

01:25:51   to mobile people so there are various [TS]

01:25:54   ways to get around that of course you [TS]

01:25:56   can use JavaScript if you wanna do [TS]

01:25:57   anything with JavaScript you can also [TS]

01:25:58   use CSS media queries to say serve you [TS]

01:26:00   know to not set the image in the image [TS]

01:26:02   tag but set it as a background image [TS]

01:26:03   product property and then use media [TS]

01:26:06   queries to select the what is it like [TS]

01:26:09   WebKit resolution this this various a [TS]

01:26:12   vendor specific media queries that you [TS]

01:26:15   can do within the CSS and say only apply [TS]

01:26:16   this rule if screen has a has this [TS]

01:26:20   particular pixel density or this these [TS]

01:26:21   dimensions or whatever and then ah it [TS]

01:26:25   only loads the image appropriate for [TS]

01:26:27   that particular screen but it's tricky [TS]

01:26:29   if not as simple as just changing [TS]

01:26:30   something inside the gen image tag you [TS]

01:26:31   they have to use CSS or you have to use [TS]

01:26:33   JavaScript and both of them have little [TS]

01:26:36   peak area peculiarities about them I [TS]

01:26:38   wonder if this is like a transitional [TS]

01:26:39   period where like we're worried [TS]

01:26:41   about these things but eventually like [TS]

01:26:44   wouldn't you assume eventually that all [TS]

01:26:45   screens will be a similar density [TS]

01:26:46   they'll all be around 260 300 pixels per [TS]

01:26:50   inch for some period of time yeah maybe [TS]

01:26:52   I maybe I'm naive thinking that but it [TS]

01:26:55   seems to me that will eventually happen [TS]

01:26:56   and then it won't be you know then it [TS]

01:26:59   won't be a matter of oh I gotta figure [TS]

01:27:01   out what I have to serve to what device [TS]

01:27:02   or whatever we'll just always be serving [TS]

01:27:04   the high-density one because everything [TS]

01:27:05   is high-density like one you're it's [TS]

01:27:07   kind of weird that it started with the [TS]

01:27:08   phone but like your phone was the [TS]

01:27:09   highest density square we had and now [TS]

01:27:10   it's your iPad eventually it will come [TS]

01:27:11   to the Mac it's coming the opposite [TS]

01:27:13   direction that people thought to like Oh [TS]

01:27:14   technology will trickle down from the PC [TS]

01:27:16   sort of like people say technology [TS]

01:27:17   trickles down from PC gaming to console [TS]

01:27:19   gaming well this advanced technology [TS]

01:27:21   will triple down for the PC into our our [TS]

01:27:22   tablets and eventually into our phones [TS]

01:27:24   nope it's going to reverse on our phone [TS]

01:27:26   first then it makes sense from a screen [TS]

01:27:27   manufacturing perspective because the [TS]

01:27:30   fancy of the screen the harder it is to [TS]

01:27:32   make it big so you can make that screen [TS]

01:27:34   it's super high density first that's [TS]

01:27:35   much easier than making a panel that's [TS]

01:27:37   you know eight times as big and then [TS]

01:27:38   going all the up to a thirty-year screen [TS]

01:27:40   so that's how we're going but I assume [TS]

01:27:42   eventually this won't be an issue simply [TS]

01:27:45   because all of our screens will be [TS]

01:27:47   around this density and then maybe we'll [TS]

01:27:49   have a nice calm period and then they'll [TS]

01:27:51   go up to like sixteen hundred dots per [TS]

01:27:53   inch or something when we're old and [TS]

01:27:54   gray yeah this is this is a time a time [TS]

01:27:59   of bugs let's call it I'm calling this [TS]

01:28:02   one a bug for now and I'm assuming it [TS]

01:28:03   will be addressed in some way but even [TS]

01:28:06   without the bugs there are things web [TS]

01:28:07   developers as always as always there are [TS]

01:28:09   things web develop new things Web Design [TS]

01:28:11   to continue to practice their craft at [TS]

01:28:13   the top level that's always been the [TS]

01:28:15   case [TS]

01:28:19   dentally god that's all I got did we get [TS]

01:28:22   out that's not a bad one I'm way short [TS]

01:28:25   unusual there you go I follow people [TS]

01:28:28   people who didn't get enough of you can [TS]

01:28:30   always follow you on twitter Syracuse si [TS]

01:28:32   RA CU s a they can read your 85 page [TS]

01:28:38   review of Mac OS 10 lion at ARS technica [TS]

01:28:44   and your other pieces there and you can [TS]

01:28:48   hear all the previous episodes of this [TS]

01:28:50   show going to five by five TV slash [TS]

01:28:52   hypercritical you'll notice that all of [TS]

01:28:55   the links and things that were discussed [TS]

01:28:57   during this show were carefully [TS]

01:29:01   collected and organized by John and you [TS]

01:29:04   can find those there in the show notes [TS]

01:29:06   just click on the episode in particular [TS]

01:29:07   this one's episode 60 we want to say [TS]

01:29:10   thanks to the guys at help spot.com the [TS]

01:29:12   best help this software in the business [TS]

01:29:14   for sponsoring that and I'm Dan benjamin [TS]

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01:29:20   there that's it John what else we got [TS]

01:29:23   that's it [TS]

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01:29:35   a good week Joe you do [TS]

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