Hypercritical

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00:00:01 ◼   ► my computer and it's not and I'm sad [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► this is hypocritical weekly talk show [TS]

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00:00:17 ◼   ► siracusa I'm Dan Benjamin today is [TS]

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00:01:31 ◼   ► John Siracusa little warm today believe [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► it or not no kidding warm is meaning all [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► over 40 40 degrees Fahrenheit so the 50s [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► was sunny yeah wow that is very warm [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► unseasonable yep no forgot to close the [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► door in here no it's closed alright that [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► just means we won't hear your AC but we [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► might still hear your lawn do they they [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► don't I didn't launch my what my AC [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► don't you have an AC that runs in there [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► oh I do have yes I'd ever I've like a [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► window unit but no I don't need that on [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► 50 degrees okay all right another [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► variety show today oh I love those [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► yeah considering you were out Syracuse [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► at last week by Marco this week you get [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► out of strong I was out what by Marco [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► I'll never be out sir cuted by Marco [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► that's like by definition impossible ok [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► his name's not even siracusa no yeah all [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► right i'll start with some follow up [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► this first one is from michael [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► cammalleri Camilleri so I'm gonna go [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► with him with Camilleri this is about [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► the exact executive reshuffle that was [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► sort of the main topic of the last show [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► the executive reshuffle an apple scott [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► forstall out Bob Mansfield elevated role [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► and all the other executives [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► responsibilities reshuffled and I was [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► talking about early on how if you're a [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► fancy-pants executive like once you [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► reach a certain level within a company [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► they don't they don't fire you the same [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► way as they would if you were below [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► whatever that invisible line is like you [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► know they never say that you're fired [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► you you get to sort of go out with your [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► dignity intact and they give a vague [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► press release like oh you know he'll be [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► leaving the company and blah blah you [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► know whereas if you're just below that [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► line they'd aspire you and you're out [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► and they call it a firing and that's [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► that right so he offered some reasons [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► for why this might be beyond the obvious [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► like once you're sort of in with the in [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► crowd there's a certain minimum level of [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► respect to you get as a important [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► powerful rich person and called out of [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► the stuff he works for a law firm in [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► Australia so obviously their laws of [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► different in Australia the United States [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► but he thinks there's enough [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► similarities that his insight is [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► worthwhile and what he does with is [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► prepare employment contracts [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► occasionally at the executive level he [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► says so he's got some direct knowledge [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► of this least in Australia and when he [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► says is that executive level contracts [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► typically have a gardening leave [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► provision in gardening leave I I thought [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► this might have been a made-up term but [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► now it's right there on Wikipedia [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► gardening leave I put the link in the [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► show notes that allows the company to [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► continue employing and executive but [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► prevents the employee from coming into [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► the office so you're still working for [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► us but don't come in seriously you're [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► not allowed to come in [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► and you still get your salary and so on [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► and so forth but you're otherwise cut [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► off from the company and michael says [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► you typically want to do this with fired [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► executives because they will have [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► detailed knowledge about the plans of [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► the company at least up until the point [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► of firing and the longer the executive [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► is on gardening leave the staler this [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► knowledge becomes and less useful it is [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► to a competitor so he said gardening [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► leave provisions are usually included in [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► addition to employment restraints to [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► seek that seek to restrict the executive [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► from going to work for a competitor [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► confidentiality agreements and you know [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► non-competes and stuff like that but [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► they're those can be very difficult to [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► enforce particularly in California which [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► has a very lenient laws about [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► non-competes I don't think they're valid [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► at all in California ah so that's that [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► would be one reason why I mean that that [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► will find out if this is the case it [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► will see how long's got forestalls at [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► Apple if he's on gardening leave that [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► means he'll be with the company for a [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► long time and they're basically keeping [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► him trapped there you know as part of a [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► provision provision of his executive [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► contract says you know we can fire you [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► basically make you not come in anymore [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► and let you stew while still paying you [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► you don't have to do any work you just [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► can't come in and learn anything so the [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► by the time you do go on the free market [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► maybe you don't know about what our [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► super secret plans are or you know and [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► never mind they you know the laws are [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► probably valid laws restriction all you [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► can't tell you can't go to another [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► company let me tell you what Apple's [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► planning the next two years because I [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► know like that's surely against the law [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► but you know how these things are like [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► yeah tell them but you can go to another [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► company and say I think we should really [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► do this so didn't do with Apple know [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► nothing do with Apple I just think it [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► would be a good idea if you entered this [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► market or didn't end you know what I [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► mean so gardening leave is a good way to [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► protect against that again we have no [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► knowledge of whether such a clause [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► existence got four stalls executive [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► thing the only information can be [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► offered here is it this is a thing and I [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► guess we'll see like you said New Year's [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► Day you know Scott forestalls out in the [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► street I mean it's cardboard box and [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► he's walking out of the building right [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► getting into his Ferrari with a really [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► sad face driving to his palatial [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► mountain home yeah and just being [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► depressed but if we see that like he's [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► not on the free market like you know he [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► doesn't go any we don't see like I was [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► God Forrestal now they doesn't work for [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► Apple he's you know hanging out of the [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► cafe or he goes to work with you know [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► and then mold it could be that he's on [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► gardening Li and the next point he has [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► is the reason why I company rarely at [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► ever admit that an executive was fired [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► he says he doesn't know again that's not [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► enough about California law to be sure [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► but his guess is that it has nothing to [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► do with respect for the former employee [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► and everything to do with fear of being [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► sued a statement that a person was fired [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► beacon could be considered defamatory or [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► libelous depending on what was said and [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► the circumstances in which was said and [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► you know he says this is true of any [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► employee but it's usually not such a big [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► deal with jr. love our employees because [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► they're less likely to have the [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► resources to sue basically meaning [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► they're not rich the and it costs a lot [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► of money to sue anybody and even if they [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► did sue it would be difficult for them [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► to prove damages their reputation [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► because the peon employees don't have [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► much of reputation to be damaged those [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► means both of these things kind of get [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► back to the yet because you're when [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► you're an important person hey you rich [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► and be you know you can make you have [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► enough money to sue and you can say well [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► everybody knows about this now and it's [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► a big deal and you know you can't say I [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► was fired and all that stuff so many [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► many reasons why top-level executives [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► what the rich are different than us as [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► they say Dan why they don't get fired [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► practical reasons reasons that makes [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► sense the gardening leave totally makes [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► sense to me especially in a state like [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► California where non-competes are not [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► powerful at all where are they powerful [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► I think Massachusetts has i mean i don't [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► know like I've had plenty of non-compete [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► to my employee agreements and it's [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► always like they're there that'll tell [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► you I've always heard they're not really [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► like they're not really enforceable and [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► yeah California has explicit laws that [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► says you can't have things called [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► non-compete superior right whereas every [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► other state or at least every other [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► state that I've worked in there like [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► yeah but if you actually tested this in [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► a court of law it you know they put [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► wording in there that's much too strong [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► and it would never hold up completely [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► but do you really want to find out it's [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► all one of those I don't know what you [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► would call it but like things that exist [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► that are you know agreements that exist [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► this is a power imbalance like you don't [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► have the money to pursue this legally [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► even your if you're a hundred percent [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► the right kind of like patents where if [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► you are a little person trying to make a [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► software startup and in doing so you [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► unknowingly violate bazillion patents [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► because it's impossible not to you just [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► don't have the resources to prove that [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► these patents are invalid or to prove [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► anything so same thing with a [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► non-compete like you know if you had [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► infinite money you took all [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► you know all these issues to court you [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► could win on every single one [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► theoretically but you don't have that [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► kind of money or time and so it's just [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► used there as a no as a cudgel to force [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► you to do what the more powerful richer [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► corporation wants you to do I've never [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► tested any of the non-compete ssin that [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► I've signed over the years and I don't [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► want to test any of them and nobody [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► wants to test any of them but it's nice [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► than in California that's one thing you [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► don't do worry about they're just sort [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► of putting the threat out there saying [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► you know what like we don't really trust [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► you but we want you to work for us so [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► science document that that'll make that [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► just for the lawyers the lawyers make us [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► give you this and the things they say it [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► crazy like some of the ones i've signed [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► of like you can't work in this industry [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► for two years I can you know what is [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► this industry like does that mean [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► anything having to do with computers or [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► just like you know I mean really don't [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► care p an employee goes off work for [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► someone else that are not gonna be sure [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► you your you're not going to you know [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► it's it's kind of silly and stupid I [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► wish they didn't exist at all but you [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► know if it's something the company [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► lawyers can get away with doing like [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► it's not illegal to make someone sign [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► one then they'll do that you know and [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► you can just refuse and see if the will [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► you still hire me if I refuse depending [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► on the company maybe they'll star you [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► maybe they won't you know I'm gonna be [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► standing on firm ground do that you just [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► you know you just make your choice like [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► is it important enough for me to not get [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► this job that you know please that's it [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► that's a you know that's a very likely [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► outcome depending on the company then [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► just you know make your stand and that's [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► another criteria you have to use for [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► finding employment but if you're an [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► executive I like I think I would sign [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► the thing with the gardening leave [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► because that's like hey you pay me my [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► humongous salary and I don't have to [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► come into work it's like paid vacation [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► for rich people because you know who [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► needs paid vacation it's rich people [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► right they needs more than more than we [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► do thanks to Michael for Australia for [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► that insight and the the fun term [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► gardening leave which I had never heard [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► before I wonder if Scott will do some [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► gardening the next bit from Jay Andrew [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► yang all one word I don't think I ever [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► found his real name from but I bet it's [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► jay and rehang from twitter about the [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► imac and i cant couldn't remember if i [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► had corrected myself on [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► this in any of the past shows I look [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► through the notes and I didn't see it so [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► forgive me if this is double follow-up [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► but you might you maybe you'll remember [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► we talked about the imac and i said like [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► oh they're just using laptop parts and [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► slapping on the back that I correct [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► myself about that already I don't think [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► I don't think you'd you did make a [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► comment about it but what is there to [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► correct that's true I'll do it quickly [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► again like they use desktop CPUs in the [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► imax they're not laptop CPUs they do [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► tend to use mobile GPUs but that has [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► been true and not true various points [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► but the point is it's not Mac Pro stuff [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► back there it's not Zeon's it's not Ram [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► with ECC it's not yeah this was in the [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► context of cannon and imac replace a mac [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► pro for some people and certainly the [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► GPUs have not been like gigantic double [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► with full-length pci you know those type [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► top-of-the-line GPUs so my points about [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► it Stan but I incorrectly said that it [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► was completely laptop parts back there [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► it's you know CP using storage usually [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► desktop and then the graphics and [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► sometimes the optical drives as well [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► because their skin here are laptop parts [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► but when do you think the distinction [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► between laptop parts and desktop parts [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► not talking just CPUs but when you think [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► that distinction will be blurred away so [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► we won't have to talk about it anymore I [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► don't know if ever because like you know [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► if so anything anybody needs can always [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► be you know that tops are all anybody [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► needs so why would anyone make a desktop [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► thing well if you have a bigger power [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► budget you and and more physical space [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► you can make a more capable thing like [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► that will always be true no matter how [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► the technology advances and I don't [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► think we're anywhere near the point [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► where a more capable more powerful thing [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► is not incrementally more useful than a [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► less powerful thing right so I think [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► whether the terms we use to describe it [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► to the same that the distinction between [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► know something you can fit in your [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► pocket something you can carry one hand [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► something you can carry two hands and [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► something that's plugged into the wall [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► those distinctions will continue to [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► exist or something that is sometimes [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► plugged in you know that continuum will [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► continue to exist so I don't think it's [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► gone away okay next bit is from jared [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► williams who gives us it gave us the [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► definitive link on the available disk [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► space in the microsoft surface this is [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► from microsoft com itself he sent it i [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► think by email knows [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► bye bye Twitter and then that same day I [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► saw it linked around all over the web so [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► this is kind of old news but i just put [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► it in the show notes for completeness [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► microsoft coms page it says this [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► phrasing is so weird and this how much [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► hard disk space do you have available on [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► your surface hard disk space like that's [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► just the term they use I can kind of [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► understand because I try to explain to [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► my parents about you know I get them [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► like a yeah then you got a 32 gigabyte [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► ipod touch what is that 32 gigabytes [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► mean and I have to to make them [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► understand I have to say that's like [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► your hard drive like to distinguish it [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► from ram and no matter how much I [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► explain this I think I've talked about [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► it before my mother in particular was [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► obsessed with the idea that by deleting [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► applications it would allow like she had [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► an old ipod touch and modern games were [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► like crashing on launched on it they're [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► probably being killed by the low memory [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► killer because it just wasn't enough [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► memory to support these things for maybe [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► they're just buggy or whatever I said [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► the problem is you don't have enough [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► memory and she would say oh I can fix [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► that by deleting some applications i [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► don't use never mind the fact that half [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► of the you know 32 gigs were free anyway [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► and i tried to emphasize know like [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► deleting things from your quote-unquote [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► hard drive on your ipod touch is not [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► going to give you more ram like they're [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► two separate things was there for the [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► age-old confusion going back to the [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► beginning of time yeah and like at least [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► we before we have like well one is the [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► size of you know one is like a big metal [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► box with a spinning thing and the other [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► one is chips that don't move right and [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► now they're all chips though they're all [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► chips and don't move and the [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► distinctions because you're so microsoft [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► refers to the store the internal flash [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► storage of and now we use flash to it's [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► like well flash is different than ram [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► because you know when you turn the power [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► off all your data doesn't leave flash [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► but does Leibrandt you know all these [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► increasingly nuanced distinction so [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► microsoft says forget it we're just [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► calling it a hard disk hard disk space [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► this it's it's hard i guess there's no [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► disk okay so notice page says the 32 [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► gigabyte version has 16 gigabytes free [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► hard disk space and the 64 gig version [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► has forty five gigabytes free and then [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► dozen more detailed breakdown so this [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► link is in the show notes right from the [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► horse's mouth see where Microsoft has to [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► say about the hard disk on your surface [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► and the other point that lots of surface [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► fans and other attentive people brought [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► up is yeah the surface OS and install [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► software might take up a lot of room [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► more room than the equivalent if there [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► is an equivalent thing on the iPad and [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► iOS devices do but the surface has an SD [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► card slot so if you're like oh I bought [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► the 16 gigabyte surface well go buy [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► yourself a 64 gigabyte SD card for like [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► you know 50 bucks or whatever they cost [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► and you know if you just given yourself [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► more storage than any iOS device that [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► you can buy at any price can ever have [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► alright it has a micro SDXC card slot [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► this is getting to be kind of like the [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► alphabet soup of resolutions it was like [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► vga you mean you might notice these from [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► your pc days what's a lot what's the [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► most obscure letter combination for [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► resolutions that you know i'll stop your [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► head i don't know any of them anymore [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► it's wqx you BGA yeah like they just go [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► great anyway so SDXC is not getting that [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► bad but I had to look up what I meant [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► secure digital extended capacity the [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► exes or extended and those cards go up [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► to two terabytes in size loyal you can [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► buy two terrified SD card and I don't [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► think the surface would support it [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► anyway and the sdhc which is the other [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► alphabet super standard before that [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► stopped at 32 gigs so yes you can get a [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► 64 gig SD card and go nuts that's the [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► the microsoft way give you an SD card [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► slot and that you know if you think [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► about that that would be nice to have it [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► an ipad like everyone would get a 16 gig [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► ipad and by the SD card but it's not the [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► Apple way because you know the Apple way [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► is don't provide a device where a naive [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► user can while using the thing yank out [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► the SD card and not understand what that [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► does machine like what happens when you [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► do that the half your apps go right what [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► gets put on the SD card vs anywhere is [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► are you manually manage storage does it [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► use it like a fusion drive an iOS like [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► it's yeah probably you can imagine that [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► that feature not coming to iOS devices [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► but it's on the surface so that [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► mitigates a lot of these space [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► constraints and really up well and I say [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► Microsoft should be pushing that harder [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► but I don't know how Microsoft Surface [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► OS manages space either so you wouldn't [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► want to say oh you can manually manage [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► where your stuff is by copying it to the [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► SD card and you know for as much [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► criticism as Apple received initially [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► when they were doing [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► you know things that essentially with [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► iOS that essentially changed the model [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► to say yes you have files but don't [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► don't worry about where these files are [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► you know I think in a way looking at [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► these issues with the surface kind of [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► say well this maybe is why well you know [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► Microsoft obviously not taking that [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► right but that makes like in some [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► respects that it makes it gives it like [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► the SD card he gives the user of the [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► surface more control but is thinking [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► said I want this over here and I want [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► that over there and these are on this SD [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► card and that's not all right on the [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► other hand Apple Apple is the only one [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► with the flexibility to later on say you [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► know we know holographic cube supporting [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► you plug in a holographic cube in the [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► back of our iOS device and we [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► transparently manage what stuff is [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► stored on the holographic cube and how [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► can we do that because you never had any [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► control over where stuff was anyway [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► right we've always managed it right so [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► we can make sure that like entire [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► applications on all their data are over [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► there so when you gank out the [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► holographic cube that you know certain [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► apps disappear in their entirety you're [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► not left with like half of a nap and [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► missing files and stuff you know never [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► allowing direct access to the files [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► gives you the most future flexibility to [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► how to manage storage whereas allowing [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► access to manage files like Microsoft [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► does gives you the most current day [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► practical flexibility for people who [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► know how to manage that stuff I think [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► apple is in the right here but Microsoft [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► strategies always been a contrast Apple [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► strategy you know that entire product [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► and with their OS so it's probably [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► appropriate for them some fusion drives [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► stuff I asked some questions about [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► fusion driving people answered on [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► Twitter this is it should practice his [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► last name Hinrich one headin I'm killing [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► that one I'm sorry I probably killed the [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► first name too maybe it's a V [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► pronunciation because it's like German [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► anyway I asked if you could boot from a [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► fusion drive you know some people making [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► the fusion drives that attached to like [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► other random acts so he's like you made [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► a fusion drive for his mac pro and [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► Buddha promo it works fine and you can [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► read and write the fusion partitions [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► issue committal is HC ABI TT le says [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► that homebrew fusion drives do support [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► installation of OS 10 he provided [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► to Apple fusion drive on late 2010 [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► macbook pro someone's little diary of [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► them taking their macbook pro and [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► they've got an SSD and a hard drive in [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► there and get a fusion drive and it [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► boots just fine so this you know this [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► appears to be at all these people are [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► basically working in unsupported [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► configurations and I would not recommend [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► this but for people who want to give it [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► a try it seems you know everyone is [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► having success whatever thing they can [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► think up that they think might work it's [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► working for them Alexander Torres [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► tweeted something in Spanish that I [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► tried to translate with google translate [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► but it doesn't matter because the thing [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► he tweeted as a picture of a dialogue [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► with sin English it shows what happens [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► if you have a fusion drive and try [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► looking at it connected to a mac that is [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► running something earlier than OS 10 [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► 10.8 point2 and the dialog box is pretty [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► good so we're talking about before of [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► how Apple handled the transitioned hfs+ [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► and by the way I had since looked up [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► some of that stuff either i looked it up [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► or had a better recall when you [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► connected an h press + drive to a mac [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► that didn't understand that volume [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► format that you know that with an OS [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► that existed before hfs+ it would look [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► like an h FS volume and it had like a [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► readme file like it was it wasn't just [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► the readme file explained what the [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► situation was so it the hrs + drive [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► masts itself as an h of a tiny HFS [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► volume with a single readme file that [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► opened liked each text or whatever the [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► current version of the apples text [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► editor was so that was those cute anyway [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► the dialog box for fusion drive says [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► this is in the Charlotte's to the disk [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► use the disk instead of this disk maybe [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► this agree translation the disk uses a [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► format that your current version of OS [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► 10 does not support to use this disk a [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► newer version of OS 10 is required or [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► all your files are still on the disk so [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► it's a pretty good error message like it [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► it doesn't just totally unrecognized it [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► and say you want to initialize it it [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► recognizes it must have been enough even [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► back in whatever version this is to say [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► this isn't totally alien but it doesn't [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► work with this version maybe they have [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► some version information of the thing [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► whatever so it says you know it's not [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► broken you just need a newer version of [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► OS 10 and this is an older version [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► saying that so that's likely forward [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► compatibility thing that I was trying to [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► talk about before where old software can [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► make intelligent observations about [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► things that didn't even exist when it [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► was written based on you [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► some metadata or whatever or just clever [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► engineering and the reassuring thing all [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► your files are still on the disk like [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► your stuffs not gone you just can't see [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► it from here oh that's pretty good job [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► on that message Lee hutchinson and ours [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► has been doing good job of breaking this [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► stuff down yeah yeah learning more about [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► fusion drive he's got this big article [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► achieving fusion with the service [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► training doc ours tears open apples [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► fusion drive so you got like the apple [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► store service manuals for like how to do [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► stuff when people bring in their max [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► that have fusion drive how does he get [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► have someone get that stuff leaks that's [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► it that's how it works okay someone [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► who's an apple store employee your nose [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► and apple store employee you know it [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► things get leaked I mean it's not [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► groundbreaking it you know if you wanted [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► to see what their service guys look like [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► or what their instructions are just [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► tells you it's very you know it here's [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► how you work with someone who brings in [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► a fusion drive it's actually pretty [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► complicated and like if you just gave [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► someone those instructions who didn't [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► know what they were doing you you know [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► they wouldn't follow them right or would [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► be confused by a certain point like you [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► know seeing how people in these stories [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► are expected to follow these fairly [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► complicated instructions and not screw [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► them up that's not easy to do I course [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► we all expect them to not screw up I [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► brought out of the apple store and they [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► destroyed everything but yeah anyway uh [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► you can take a look at that articles in [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► the show notes there's another one from [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► Tom who all lowercase whose name I gave [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► up trying to find this is a BYOD fusion [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► there's a couple of things with BYOD I'm [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► assuming so bring your own disk he's got [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► an article about his experience of the [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► fusion and finally there's someone from [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► something from tripod tech tryb ODT ACH [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► has a video on youtube of do-it-yourself [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► fusion drive so basically if you're [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► interested in fusion drive and you have [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► 10 82 but you don't have one of those [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► new max there are many many resources [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► for you to go to to learn how to [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► potentially destroy all your data but [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► also have a lot of fun so I haven't [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► tried any of these things I think you [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► can't to watch other people stuff than I [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► you know I don't have a spare SSD to add [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► to the mix or whatever but like I said [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► I'm looking forward to using fusion [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► drive and whatever our next new mac i [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► buying 2013 but for now it's not for me [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► but if you want to tried many resources [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► to do so [TS]

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00:24:43 ◼   ► but you can make full-fledged websites [TS]

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00:24:52 ◼   ► Squarespace what you want to do with [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► these sub pages you can give them the [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► URLs that you want to give them you can [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► have a blog you can have a gallery you [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► can have all of this stuff and it's [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► super easy to create it there's a [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► drag-and-drop interface it makes it [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► super easy and I was messing around with [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► some of the advanced settings in there [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► because they're always improving stuff [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► they're always changing things behind [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► scenes they don't always I mean I'm sure [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► you could read there like you know [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► developer notes and things like that but [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► I notice the other day that they have [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► now and I don't know how long they've [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► had it maybe they've had it for a while [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► but I just saw it they have like a [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► default preference it says when you [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► create a new post when you start typing [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► something new do you want to use their [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► cool WYSIWYG editor well it's pretty [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► cool but you know what me no I don't [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► want to use that I want to default to [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► marked animal that's a built-in [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► preference all of these little things [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► they've thought about all of this stuff [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► they have built in you know if you view [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► the source on a site it's clean all the [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► templates that they have are responsive [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► so that you can look at it on an iOS [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► device and you see a really nice version [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► of the site not one of those garbage [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► mobile versions of sites you know [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► they've got SEO built-in image [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► versioning retina ready stuff [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► everything's integrated depending on how [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► long you sign up for if you I mean first [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► of all this and it's not free you're [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► gonna spend ten bucks a month you want [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► their unlimited plan you're going to [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► spend 20 bucks a month you sign up for a [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► year you get twenty percent off you sign [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► up for two years you get twenty-five [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► percent off and neither of those you'll [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► get a free domain name registration with [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► it or you just use your own no credit [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► card nothing like that you go to [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► squarespace com / 5 by 5 that is the [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► best way to support the show to get [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► started with squarespace and all that [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► stuff squarespace.com / 5 by 5 when [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► you're there use the code dan sent me 11 [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► because it's the eleventh month dan sent [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► me 11 we get ten percent off whatever [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► you sign up for so go check them out [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► squarespace com [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► getting direct messages on Twitter but [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► people need to tell me whether the [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► things that direct messaging me about [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► the show that they're currently [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► listening to can be spoken about on the [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► show and like it would like of any [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► knowledge i can just can't talk about it [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► so thanks for sending me live feedback [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► please tell me whether i can convey the [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► lied feedback to the listeners otherwise [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► i won't maybe they could use a little [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► like a capital y or capital n to make [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► that determination always do it as a [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► preface that's my tip for when providing [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► information to somebody either that you [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► do or don't want them to make public [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► start start with start with the what I'm [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► about to tell you should or shouldn't be [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► blah blah blah blah and then tell it [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► don't do the reverse cuz then they read [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► it and then quickly you know especially [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► when you're talking to somebody who's on [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► the air live what if i just read it off [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► you know in my excitement right anyway [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► topics today i don't know how many will [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► get to depends on how long they go i [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► have a lot of them and the notes get [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► longer as the topics go on but who knows [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► so we'll just maybe maybe we'll cut it [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► off after a couple of topics go by and [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► it decide that that's it because we've [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► had a lot of long shows lately I don't [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► know what this one's going to people say [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► so the first thing I want to talk about [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► is usually the third rail for tech [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► podcast is to talk about anything having [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► related to politics i'm not gonna [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► actually talk about politics i gotta [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► talk a little bit about tech just a tiny [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► little bit ah specifically about voting [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► technology i assume you voted in the [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► presidential election everybody's should [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► exercise the right to vote and whether i [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► voted and how i voted is something that [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► she'll be a mystery whether you voted [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► whether i voted and how i voted shall i [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► can ask us how you do not even see why [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► do not discuss politics i did not [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► discuss voting i did not discuss [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► religion i will talk about buddhism as a [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► philosophy with Merlin man on the back [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► to work show and those are the only two [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► rules i have you can say shit which i [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► will not say if i voted i will not say [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► how i voted on that say where I voted to [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► look like it's a Maya I do not like it [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► this is that this is the there are only [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► two rules that I have and those are the [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► two now you have so many more than two [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► wrong no not not when it comes to [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► podcasting [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► alright well so what I want to ask about [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► let's say you can draw on your past [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► experience if you've ever heard this [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► implies that I've ever voted oh yes [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► that's too much so anyway like voting [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► technology like how the mechanics of how [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► people pick you know who this is this is [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► the way it works for those who have [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► never voted in the United States you are [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► you walk into a booth there's a very [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► large lever or lever and you you you [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► take a small mallet and you tap the end [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► of a little stick to punch out a card [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► through this block of a hole through [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► block of wood and then you pull the [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► lever and it the card falls straight [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► down into a big you know like open [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► opening in the floor there are many [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► different things that people use to vote [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► and the thing you're talking about were [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► you going with a booth and there's a [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► lever and stuff I never actually used [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► one of those but I remember seeing them [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► when I was a kid like in my elementary [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► school and they would be better if I [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► have ever voted I would have definitely [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► used one of those as well and I I [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► however I will say that I have never [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► having no knowledge of the voting [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► process because I cannot say if I've [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► ever voted or not I can say that I've [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► never used a computer system to vote [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► yeah so another common system that i [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► have used is kind of like the [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► standardized testing things you take in [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► school where there's like little bubbles [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► and you fill them out scantron with a [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► pencil or pen yet I can't drop optical [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► scanning a bunch of empty circles and if [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► you film one of them with darkness then [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► you set it through a machine it finds [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► the one little circle that is filled in [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► with darkness because it's less [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► reflective than the ones that weren't [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► because the paper is white and that's [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► how it registers your votes that's what [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► I had this year I did vote and they gave [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► you I explained on Twitter that they [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► gave us little pins like sharpie markers [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► to fill it in we like to fill in the [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► bubbles and then it bled through to the [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► other side like you'd fill in the little [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► thing not like I'm not going crazy like [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► trying to make it a darkest serpent just [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► you know minimal filling in of the [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► circle so that you know and then it [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► bleeds through the other side I don't [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► think it's an issue because the other [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► side where I bled through is not an area [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► that would be scanned like it's not [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► that's not where the answers were on the [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► other side but that's that's just sloppy [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► there were some videos but of touch [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► screen voting machines where someone [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► would tap one choice and the other [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► choice would get selected of course [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► partisan political people are like aha [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► that's because party [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► is sabotaging the machines but the [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► problem worked in both directions there [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► you know tried to vote for at Canaday [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► and B was selected and then other [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► touchscreen voting machines tried to [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► vote from Canada B and a was selected so [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► that's not that's obviously it's either [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► the worst kind of political hacking or [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► it's just you know bugs in the system of [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► course we had the butterfly ballot swear [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► it was hard to even in Florida from 2000 [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► it was hard to even tell who you were [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► voting for I just bad you I just you [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► know there's lots of articles around [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► 2000 about the user interface of voting [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► and how like hanging chads it should [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► yeah that the hanging chads are punching [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► out paper like it should you know the [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► qualities of a good voting system [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► technologically speaking are pretty [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► clear like the person voting has to know [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► who that they're voting for they [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► shouldn't have to puzzle over this thing [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► like it shouldn't be like when most [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► people figured it out but something will [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► be confuse like there it's kind of like [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► connectors like it's your job to design [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► connectors are certain criteria for it [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► if it's your job to design voting [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► technology there it mean I don't think [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► it would be is rocket science for us to [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► come up with criteria I should know who [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► I'm voting for it should be clear who [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► I'm voting for it should be easy to [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► count an automated mannered you know all [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► these other qualities about it and yet [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► the voting technology that we're all [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► using and it changes because like this [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► these things are controlled I guess by [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► the states or the counties or whatever [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► there's no like big federally mandated [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► this is how we voted in the United [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► States well everyone's using different [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► machines you know filling in bubbles and [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► things pulling levers punching things [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► out using various touchscreen electronic [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► voting devices and stuff and over the [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► years there have been stories and a tech [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► press about these electronic voting [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► machines and how incredibly terrible [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► they are like you know they they get [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► government contracts because of their [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► connections with the government but the [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► machines themselves are terrible they're [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► not secure their buggy they're not easy [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► to understand like most people say oh [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► you know those electronico machines are [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► terrible we should stick to the tried [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► and true technologies like the lever and [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► the pencil things I filling in the [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► bubbles because those are in and most [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► respects their true they all the [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► electronic things are worse in almost [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► all possible ways in the old ones but [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► that doesn't mean that better voting [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► technology is impossible and so I [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► continue to be fresh grated every every [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► time there's an election at the dismal [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► state of the technology used for voting [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► mostly because this is like this is a [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► problem that we know we meaning like [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► humanity humanity knows how to solve [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► we have the mathematics and the [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► technology to make something fulfills [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► all the criteria that a rational person [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► would lay out for voting user interface [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► is still a little bit hard because [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► that's not it's more a little bit of art [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► more than science in there but it's [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► testable like find out if this ballot is [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► clear to everyone who's using it and [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► just make it until it's like super duper [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► extremely clear so the technologies I'm [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► talking about it there's actually a [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► Wikipedia entry on like this as a [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► concept not even to specific things the [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► page i linked is end-to-end auditable [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► voting systems which it's kind of like [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► sounds like end-to-end data and [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► racketeering ZFS but this particular [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► property that you can this is something [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► you can do with electronic voting [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► systems that you can't do or can't do is [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► easily with a paper type system so their [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► definition is and and auditable voting [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► systems are voting systems with [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► stringent integrity properties integrity [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► properties and strong tamper resistance [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► and they often employ cryptographic [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► methods to craft receipts that allow [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► voters to verify that their votes were [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► not modified without revealing which [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► candidates they voted for so that's [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► basically I don't get into the Mathmos [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► because I don't understand it myself but [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► it's kind of like public key [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► cryptography where with with a system [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► like this every aspect of it can and [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► should be completely open completely [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► open source the implementation is [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► completely opened everything about it is [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► like everybody come look at it there's [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► no secret black box where you can't see [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► behind you can see how this thing works [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► anybody can make a machine that worked [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► in this way uh and we can mathematically [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► proved you can mathematically prove to [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► yourself that your vote was counted that [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► it wasn't changed and no one else can [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► tell who you voted right so like it [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► gives you all the benefits of you know [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► anonymous voting and stuff like that or [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► whatever but but you know with a [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► mathematically secure system if anybody [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► tampers with it you'll know and any [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► citizen if they have any doubt that [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► their vote was not counted or was [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► changed and correctly can verify to [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► themselves in a way that that [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► verification couldn't be faked without [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► you know access to the ability to find [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► humongous prime factors beyond our [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► current technologically like any any [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► cryptographic system will have to keep [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► pace with technology because it would [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► get like quantum computers and all of a [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► sudden are our secure voting system is [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► insecure because in theory you know the [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► US government or [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► could use their NSA supercomputers to [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► fake your authentication make everyone [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► think their votes counter and really [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► they didn't write you have to keep up [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► with it but we totally have the [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► technology to do this now to make a [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► voting system that does not stink that [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► is way better than all the paper systems [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► and that is verifiable in ways that no [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► current system can come close to [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► matching and also we we know have the [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► technology to make user interfaces that [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► don't confuse people like this isn't [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► it's not like we're asking them to uh [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► fill out a you know it parts list for [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► 747 you're just voting for you know this [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► guy or that guy or that guy this guy [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► that is not or gal it's not a it's not a [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► as far as you I problems go this doesn't [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► seem like rocket science to me not that [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► I'm saying you couldn't have a great but [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► you know we and in this country we have [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► people who understand this technology we [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► have we even have government agencies [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► who understand this technology [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► understand cryptography understand [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► everything about obviously you cannot [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► the government make these things [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► themselves for variety of reasons but [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► and yet maybe you don't want the federal [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► government forcing you to do it but this [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► technology exists out there and you just [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► don't see it anywhere all you see are [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► increasingly crappy electronic voting [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► machines that make things worse and the [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► old systems that are bad in their own [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► ways and the you know so I'm frustrated [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► by this mostly because it seems like [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► whatever our system of government is [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► here whatever you want to call it it [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► makes it really really hard to get from [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► the things we have to the things we know [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► we should be able to have like what why [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► is it that we can't get you know change [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► the voting machines is it because [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► they're not federally controlled would [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► it be worse if they were federally [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► controlled and be like mini tell and [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► we've got this boo be stuck with you [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► know the lever machines forever I keep [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► picking on mini tell sorry France people [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► yeah I don't know what the solution is I [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► know is that it is insane to me that I [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► went on election day and filled out a [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► scantron thing with a pen and that you [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► may or may not have done something [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► similar no way to know what I did no [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► waiting yeah so anyway that the levant [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► ones are cool though that was [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► disappointing to me it just seems like [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► you know it it's not like sound like all [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► the other areas where we all knew we had [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► the technology to sell music [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► electronically and people were just [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► dragging their feet but at least that [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► solved itself voting stuff it's like [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► she's never you know it's moving so [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► slowly every every state is different [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► every place you go is different what [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► they all want to do is different the way [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► that they tabulate the results is [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► different the way they count the results [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► is different the way the report the [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► results is different and it's you know [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► it's complicated you can even say that's [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► a strength being crazy the amazing [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► technological biodiversity if you want [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► to call it that of all these different [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► things because it makes more difficult [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► for someone to systematically you know [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► change the vote on a wide scale if we [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► had sort of a technological monoculture [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► of like a government-sanctioned [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► quote-unquote auditable and and [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► verifiable voting system if someone [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► broke that and they've just broken the [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► bank I'm not even saying that you need [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► to have some centralized thing it's just [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► that you would expect at least some of [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► the individual places there that are [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► changing their voting system to an [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► electronic form would do it right like [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► to somebody anybody like is it [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► impossible to find the people who know [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► how to do this for you and get like it [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► seems like you know the people who get [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► these government contracts for these [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► electronic voting machines they do bad [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► work the electronic voting machines are [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► bad they're bad in obvious ways than [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► anyone remotely skilled on the art can [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► look at that and say no you're an idiot [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► this is wrong I don't even understand [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► why you're doing this and that's why evo [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► ting like that phrase e-voting has such [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► a bad rap because year after year when [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► anybody with a clue looks any of these [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► machines are like this thing is a joke [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► it is the most incredibly hackable [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► insecure doesn't give us any of the [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► benefits that we could be getting under [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► what you guys are doing but oh i guess [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► you got the government contract to do [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► this since you know corruption or [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► incompetent serve some combination of [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► them it's just depressing this is yet [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► another opportunity by the way for nerds [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► to make the world better again not a [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► partisan issue nerds if you are a young [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► nerd out there could i listen to the [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► show grow up and make better voting [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► machines like when you make that [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► something that you do with your life [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► this seems like a way that nerds can [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► help our country it you know is not [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► partisan at all it's not about any [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► parties just about we have the [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► technology to do good voting let's let's [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► do not say everyone has to vote from [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► their cell phones but like you know if [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► you if you picture the future like when [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► you're a kid like on the year 2000 we [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► will all vote from our mobile [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► communicators like on Star Trek there's [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► no reason we couldn't all vote from our [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► cell phones [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► here we have a technology to do that [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► we're just so far from that in terms of [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► you know actually getting that stuff [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► implemented you know in a way I mean [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► think about this I mean let me tell you [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► about something do you ever do you ever [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► do online banking you trust that enough [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► you're a credit union guy aren't you I [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► am a crazy I knew it so here's the thing [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► some of these banks have these apps out [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► there where you can deposit a check [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► without taking the check to the bank [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► have you seen this you take a picture of [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► it now right and this is so this is how [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► this typically works you take your you [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► take your check you put it down on the [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► desk I'm assuming you still have to [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► endorse the back I did I don't know but [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► you take a photo of the front of the [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► check with all within the app photo of [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► the back of the check and then you enter [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► in the amount and then this this goes [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► away and then usually a number of hours [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► could be 12 could be 24 later it shows [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► up on your on your online statement you [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► know you can log in and see that it's [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► there and the deposit went through and [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► then I guess you're supposed to dispose [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► of the checks after 14 days or something [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► if you're aware of this yep you won't [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► you can't admit to whether you ever have [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► or have not used it I which I respect I [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► don't think we've ever used this this to [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► me my guess is that a human being is [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► looking at these photos right I don't [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► know about that like that can't they [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► just read like this there's OCR Bowl [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► routing stuff on checks right there [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► definitely is I'm just wondering if a [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► foe if the photograph is like I I [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► imagine there has to be human at some [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► stage because what if the photograph you [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► take was in bad lighting I intentionally [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► took one of them one of the photos in [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► less-than-ideal lighting to see if it [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► would throw it back or complain about it [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► or if I would get an email or some [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► nothing it went through and it was [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► correct I bet there's people looking at [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► them but like that that all doesn't that [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► strike you as a talk about skeuomorphism [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► I guess it's not quite the same things [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► like we're gonna send you a piece of [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► paper that says that you were going to [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► get money and if you show this piece of [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► paper to your bank then they'll take the [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► money from my bank account and put it [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► into yours and so and so forth and now [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► you take a picture of this piece of [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► paper that we sent in the mail and then [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► we'll look it's like a [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► right the wire we have wires connect me [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► everybody converges in a direct deposit [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► is how I do most of my things cuz like [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► why you know I I like that that seems [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► more like the future than taking a [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► picture of your check but in the end if [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► you were to look at how banking [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► technology look you would be similarly [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► depressed about what are the actual [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► security and checks and balances how [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► many things are in there they're just [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► like well it's just tradition in the way [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► it's been done in like rules of decorum [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► and manners we're holding our financial [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► system no that's exactly that's exactly [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► it and when you think of the two sort of [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► oldest systems in in the world in here [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► at least you know when it come to you I [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► think of like voting and banking would [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► be in that list of things that involve [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► paper and Trust and it's the whole thing [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► about voting is it really there's so [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► much trust that's involved in this [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► process which is something that is is [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► our right and arguably responsibility on [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► the one hand and then banking which is [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► something that that's equally is [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► frightening and and there's so much [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► trust involved that I mean this is think [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► about this I was visiting South Korea [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► this is gosh I don't know eight years [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► ago 10 years ago something like that and [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► we were we were checking our luggage but [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► they at the time they didn't have it we [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► were just walking with earlier a guy [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► walked up and he looked at our tickets [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► and he said okay and he took that he [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► took the luggage I'm like wait like that [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► don't get a receipt for this there's no [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► barcode is there something you know [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► nothing and I and he's like no no it's [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► fine and he walked away with all of our [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► luggage and our handler over there who [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► was a retired colonel from the South [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► Korean army very distinguished position [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► I very fluent in English cases no no no [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► it's fine i'm like like i did a guy like [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► I get that you say it's fine I [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► appreciate that thank you I feel like I [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► want some kind of receipt fine he's he [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► just sort of laughed because this guy [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► the guy who took our luggage you know [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► this is a young guy the white gloves on [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► the it would be unthinkable for him to [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► not get that luggage to us wherever it [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► was going yeah it would be dishonorable [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► he might have to commit suicide if that [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► happened it was like it was it was funny [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► that I was even asking to these guys it [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► was funny that I was even [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► think about it and here in the US you [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► got guys chucking iPads around in the [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► back of walmart you see that video and [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► it's so it's like it's so different and [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► yet there's still so much trusted to [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► them that was not an issue of trust that [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► was an issue of honor and like you don't [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► question that but here it's like please [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► count my vote please let me make this [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► deposit that's legit and that I didn't [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► really add an extra zero to the end of [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► this thing on the check you know what [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► I'm saying like it's it feels very [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► different here and you're in that Korean [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► airport no one said you care and no [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► one's going to take that here right I [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► was just weird no one's gonna get that [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► one I know that's right uh yeah so the [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► thing about that is that if he had [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► handed you a piece of paper that would [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► have made you feel better if yes in a [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► weird way like yeah it makes it legit [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► like the Jersey that piece of paper you [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► can wave that in hell you want the [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► papers not gonna make them come back but [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► but I have a piece of paper right great [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► Abby's a bit well you do you admit you [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► feel a little bit better if you've got [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► something that's what I'm weird about [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► those checks and that's what's weird [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► about the voting they don't give you a [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► receipt when you vote but the piece of [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► paper is the same that piece of paper is [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► what you needed to make you feel like if [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► you were in a trusting scenario that [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► you're familiar with right and the lack [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► of the piece of paper like it's just a [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► difference in what mate you know what [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► you're used to in what makes you feel [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► better so they said oh I don't need the [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► piece of paper to feel safe you say well [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► I need the piece of paper she'll say it [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► right both with without that piece of [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► paper in fact I've taken your bags [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► they're gone they're still gone right [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► it's just a question of what you expect [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► then that's the thing with a voting is [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► like you know the general sort of [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► resistance to change and you know [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► Luddite ISM of like technology scares me [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► and I don't trust it and like people are [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► much more comfortable with like in [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► person corruption like actual theft and [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► actual fraud and you know election [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► workers doing bad things then oh no the [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► scary computer hackers are going to [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► change all our votes so Mickey Mouse is [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► going to be president right like the [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► systemic kind of stuff that you can do [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► once things are connected with computers [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► like a one individual is not empowered [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► to you know change hundreds of thousands [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► and millions and billions of votes like [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► I mean even if like the guy who has the [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► power to change every vote in california [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► he can't change those in texas as easily [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► because they're not connected and so on [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► but whereas one computer hacker if [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► everything's all connect [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► or if it's you know the danger of [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► computers is like I don't trust that [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► like I'd rather have the little piece of [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► paper even though I know it's less [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► secure than the computer things because [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► I don't understand computers I don't [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► know what hacking is I don't know how it [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► happens I just know that it does once I [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► got my credit card stolen online and now [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► never trusted electronic voting and like [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► there's something to that like a [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► interconnected electronics and [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► networking does empower an individual [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► actor to do more damage that is [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► definitely true but it also that same [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► technology also empowers us to have way [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► more security than we ever had before [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► right like you know this cryptographic [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► systems with you know public algorithms [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► and public keys like this still a [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► private key somewhere and what if [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► someone gets that and you know it I [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► don't know that the reasons this is on [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► so many different levels on a gut level [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► it's on like you know not able to get [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► our acts together level but i just think [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► even he went in the realm of like not [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► trying to make a cryptographically [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► secure voting system for the entire [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► country just the amount of level doing a [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► competent job of equaling or bettering [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► scantron we're not we're not able to do [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► that as a society it said and the check [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► thing that I think banking will move [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► faster than voting I God effing Utley [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► because you know easily your check is [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► it's something like they did direct [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► deposit they want to they want it to be [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► all more automatable and have less human [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► interaction and they also actually do [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► want more security and they're there [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► they're empowered to change things [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► within their bank more than it seems we [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► are all empowered to change our various [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► voting systems yeah change happens [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► slowly will say well what let's [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► reconvene when were 80 years old to see [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► if Odin technologies improved at all you [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► know if we're still playing out freaking [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► scantron hover com simplified domain [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► management you probably registered the [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► domain with the company just wants to [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► sell you stuff you're not interested in [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► to not so with hover John Syracuse I [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► know you registered domain sometimes you [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► can transfer your domains to hover using [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► their transfer valet services is very [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► cool speaking of human beings behind the [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► scenes that's that's what goes on here [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► when you use their transfer service this [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► valet service it's free it doesn't cost [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► anything but the price you're already [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► paying for the domain when you transfer [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► it a real live human be [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► will oversee the process which can be a [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► very weird process it's not the same [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► with different registrar's it involves [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► as weird i can email and all that stuff [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► they'll handle the whole thing for you [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► they'll make it super simple for you to [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► use it's the best thing ever and i love [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► their service i love the folks behind [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► the scenes here they get a toll-free [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► number you can just call them and you [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► can do it all talk to a person if you [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► don't want to use the computer or you [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► can use a computer for everything it's [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► amazing what these computers can do you [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► type the domain that you want in the [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► little search box it's available click [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► plus you're done pay for it and use [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► paypal you can use a credit card [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► whatever if they don't find it you can [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► enter in that they will suggest a whole [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► bunch of different alternatives for you [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► they'll show you other domains that are [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► similar and available you can even like [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► due the auction stuff through there but [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► it's super simple elegant clean check [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► them out hover com / dan sent me you get [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► ten percent off you can use that code [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► dan sent me for renewals you can use it [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► for their email hosting you can use if [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► you're already customer hover com sludge [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► dan sent me check it out did you see [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► that someone tried to paste an SVG into [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► the chatroom and it's gone nuts Duan [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► Duan Daniel Duan he's a young man here [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► in town I is what I assume happened this [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► happens to me a lot to within modern OS [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► 10 and most desktop operating systems [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► when you select something in an [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► application and you just like copy ah [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► yes like you see it happen regardless of [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► what actually happens then like the idea [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► is like oh I've copied this thing and if [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► you were looking at it and it looked [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► like it was text right you think you [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► just copied that text but you may be [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► surprised to find that when you paste [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► that into an a text application that [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► understands different typefaces and [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► colors that it's reproduced exactly as [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► it was when you copied it so like if you [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► copy something web page and paste into [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► text edit and on the web page it was [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► like pink Comic Sans it'll be pink Comic [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► Sans you know 24 point in the thing so [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► it didn't just copy the text it copied [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► all the styling information as well and [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► the same goes for images where a lot of [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► web browsers when you copy you think [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► you're copying an image or even just [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► copying the URL of an image or something [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► like that if you paste it into a text [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► editor you get the URL but if you paste [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► into an application that claims to [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► understand for example SVG it will say [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► oh this recipient of the pasteboard data [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► says that understands SVG so i will give [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► the SVG incarnation of this thing you [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► copied and I don't know if that's what [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► actually happened but it it happens [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► frequently to me when I copy like a link [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► from an application I just want the text [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► URL but I try to paste it and like beeps [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► at me so though I don't understand links [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► like because it copied it is like a [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► bookmark link or something and the [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► application says i can receive you know [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► that type of format but really can't so [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► what's on the pasteboard or the [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► clipboard depending on what operating [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► system you want to take the terminology [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► from is usually sort of a multiple [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► incarnations or a promise to get [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► multiple incarnations of a piece of data [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► and which one you end up getting depends [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► on what the recipient of that paste said [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► it was going to accept so maybe Duan can [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► fill us in on what what the major [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► malfunction was there but he said he was [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► dead atang an SVG file yeah I maybe just [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► didn't know he had that on the clipboard [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► and he thought he had something else and [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► it was just plain text so I don't know [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► and Swilley amez now we're gonna get a [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► few weeks of follow-up on your mistake [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► how right he is yeah yes I know it [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► wasn't deliberate him we all like [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► mistakes I've I've done it many times [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► pasted the wrong thing in the wrong [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► place all right one small one and then I [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► guess will they find a larger topic for [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► today will do and yeah maybe that won't [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► last that long but I have a humongous [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► not humongous it's two equally large [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► topics and I don't think they're both [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► going to fit in this show so i'll save [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► the second one but first a small topic [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► small topic is google voice search have [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► you tried that out i have tried it i [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► have also seen the video of the [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► comparison these quote-unquote [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► side-by-side comparison between google [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► voice search and built in serie and it [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► in my own experiments with it it does [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► seem to mirror those expressed in this [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► video that the guy took running each on [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► the iphone five it is faster and i think [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► it's i think it's better i put it in the [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► show notes a link to oh god I'm gonna [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► have to trim the show notes who'd be [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► someone tailing trimming off that second [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► topic have a million show notes on it [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► this is a feature request that you [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► should put into the CMS I'd like to be [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► able to just move all those aunts the [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► next show I know I can I mean I can do I [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► can do that for you and like one line [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► but i would have to you would have to [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► the [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► tell me they do never directly update [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► the database in production have you [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► learned nothing as a web developer I oei [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► back the thing up nightly so big deal oh [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► yeah rollback yeah the worst ones where [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► you don't notice you did you know update [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► without a where clause and there it [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► executed fine and then six weeks later [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► you go was titled every story the same [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► hmm all right uh anyway this link in the [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► show notes is a Gruber's take on this a [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► typical tourist form he's got a link to [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► I think it's the same movie the you saw [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► it was a gizmodo has a side by side [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► thing it is gizmodo yes yeah and he [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► links to it and his you know one line [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► commentary on it is how fast should [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► Serie B this fast right anybody who has [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► an iOS device with the microphone who [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► hasn't tried the google voice search [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► thing it's just it's just the google [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► search app like it's not i don't think [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► it's a separate app right it's just a [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► google search app did a little blue g [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► and ask where it's free application when [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► i heard everyone raving about this [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► before I'd even seen the videos i [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► downloaded onto my cruddy ipod touch [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► previous generation not particularly [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► fast it does have a microphone on it and [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► i tried it out and you know i was [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► shocked at how how much faster and [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► better it feels then Syriana iphone [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► iphone 4s like my wife's iphone for us [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► yeah there's a couple of aspects of this [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► right the first aspect is an area where [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► Apple where Apple should be a contender [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► and that is the area of make it feel [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► fast it doesn't necessarily have to be [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► fast but make it feel fast and the [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► reason google voice search feels like [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► well i'm not fast but more responsive is [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► because when you start talking stuff [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► happens on the screen stuff happen [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► immediately that and it shows it shows [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► what you're saying it shows that it's [TS]