95: Black Friday


00:00:00   this is hypercritical weekly talk show [TS]

00:00:04   ruminating on exactly what is wrong in [TS]

00:00:05   the world of Apple and related [TS]

00:00:06   technologies and businesses nothing is [TS]

00:00:08   so perfect it cannot be complained about [TS]

00:00:10   by my co-host and your friend John [TS]

00:00:13   siracusa I'm Dan Benjamin today is [TS]

00:00:15   Friday November 23rd 2012 this is our [TS]

00:00:18   95th episode we'd like to say thank you [TS]

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00:01:14   node dot-com how are you John Siracusa [TS]

00:01:18   doing fine on this Black Friday dan you [TS]

00:01:22   out there shopping you hitting the in [TS]

00:01:25   the streets shopping I'm hitting the [TS]

00:01:27   internet oh that count that counts for [TS]

00:01:30   something much lower chance of being [TS]

00:01:32   trampled to death what are you getting [TS]

00:01:35   on the internet no same things i always [TS]

00:01:39   get computer stuff computer stuff like [TS]

00:01:41   one people want to know they were no [TS]

00:01:43   stalking a cheap SD card in preparation [TS]

00:01:46   for doing my data transfer from my wii [TS]

00:01:48   to my as yet untested card for that okay [TS]

00:01:53   and I don't have any hanging around I [TS]

00:01:54   don't think so i'll try to get one of [TS]

00:01:56   those it ridiculous bargain prices i'll [TS]

00:02:00   look at the Apple deal see if anything [TS]

00:02:01   good there I doubt there'll be anything [TS]

00:02:03   good because it'll just be like you know [TS]

00:02:04   ten bucks offer 30 bucks off or [TS]

00:02:06   something no no I'm just poking around [TS]

00:02:12   for you know stuff [TS]

00:02:13   batteries and extension cords that is [TS]

00:02:16   not that exciting or important but if [TS]

00:02:18   you can get one for like ninety-eight [TS]

00:02:19   percent off like all right well I need [TS]

00:02:21   that if I needed that already why not [TS]

00:02:23   now it's time to get that stuff not [TS]

00:02:25   looking to buy anything I don't actually [TS]

00:02:26   need just because it's cheap right you [TS]

00:02:30   want you want the stuff you need that's [TS]

00:02:31   all as the old people say that's how [TS]

00:02:34   they get you or at least some old people [TS]

00:02:37   say something like that all right and [TS]

00:02:40   there's another reason this is a black [TS]

00:02:41   friday and what reason is that dan I it [TS]

00:02:43   is a black friday i suppose because we [TS]

00:02:45   are going to discuss the end of [TS]

00:02:47   hypercritical which is not this episode [TS]

00:02:50   we've got five more after this that's [TS]

00:02:54   right but the show that you are [TS]

00:02:56   listening to now will be ending at [TS]

00:02:58   episode 100 including episode 100 yes [TS]

00:03:02   including any that sounds like a nice [TS]

00:03:03   round number but it's not really it's [TS]

00:03:05   not like I you know thanks for a hundred [TS]

00:03:07   episodes right because two of those were [TS]

00:03:09   kind of criticals which were you know [TS]

00:03:10   episodes where Marco and Merlin filled [TS]

00:03:12   in for me so it's not really a hundred [TS]

00:03:15   episodes but yes as you announced in [TS]

00:03:18   your five by five state of the union [TS]

00:03:20   address on one was that like Monday or [TS]

00:03:22   something uh yes that was monday that i [TS]

00:03:24   released that I think or sunday i [TS]

00:03:26   believe alright so Marcos ending build [TS]

00:03:29   and analyzed and I am also ending this [TS]

00:03:31   show both of them would have done or [TS]

00:03:34   what he's done more than a hundred [TS]

00:03:36   episodes somehow he got ahead of you i [TS]

00:03:38   thought they I thought you started first [TS]

00:03:39   but he started four okay he start a [TS]

00:03:41   little bit first so he's done a few more [TS]

00:03:42   episodes but both of you guys as I said [TS]

00:03:45   in the State of the Union address and as [TS]

00:03:47   you have as you have mentioned on [TS]

00:03:51   twitter and hopefully we'll go into more [TS]

00:03:53   detail now this has been and you had [TS]

00:03:56   said to me the very first time when I [TS]

00:03:58   after you were on the pipeline interview [TS]

00:04:00   with me and you did a show a [TS]

00:04:01   conversation with me where we had gabe [TS]

00:04:03   newell on and I was so thrilled to do [TS]

00:04:06   those shows with you that I proposed [TS]

00:04:07   that we do a regular show and you at the [TS]

00:04:12   time said i don't i don't know how much [TS]

00:04:13   i actually have to complain about [TS]

00:04:15   however i will do some shows and I don't [TS]

00:04:20   know it if that means a few months or [TS]

00:04:22   more turns out more than two years worth [TS]

00:04:25   of stuff to complain about [TS]

00:04:27   and you would always tell me I don't [TS]

00:04:29   know how many more I can do but I'll do [TS]

00:04:32   some more and so I always knew that one [TS]

00:04:36   day that the day would come where you [TS]

00:04:38   would say I'm I'm done complaining for a [TS]

00:04:40   little while or forever yep I mean I [TS]

00:04:44   people been asking why why and now and [TS]

00:04:47   and by the way many many people have [TS]

00:04:50   replied by Twitter and email and stopped [TS]

00:04:52   to to say thank you for the show and [TS]

00:04:53   that they enjoyed it or alternately to [TS]

00:04:56   beg me not to stop I have not been able [TS]

00:04:59   to respond every single one of those [TS]

00:05:00   replies because there's just there's too [TS]

00:05:01   many of them so I just that my policy [TS]

00:05:03   was I can't respond individually unless [TS]

00:05:05   someone asked some sort of specific [TS]

00:05:06   question but I do appreciate everyone [TS]

00:05:09   sending the tweets and their emails even [TS]

00:05:11   if I didn't respond he was just because [TS]

00:05:12   there were too many I was I was [TS]

00:05:13   surprised by the outpouring and it was [TS]

00:05:15   very nice to see all the affection and [TS]

00:05:18   thanks and surprisingly this is also [TS]

00:05:21   take this opportunity to gauge the [TS]

00:05:23   success of various social networks or [TS]

00:05:26   how people use things way more tweets [TS]

00:05:29   than emails like you know as we have the [TS]

00:05:32   feedback form and every week we get [TS]

00:05:33   feedback about the show and follow-up [TS]

00:05:35   and stuff like that or whatever so [TS]

00:05:37   people know where that form is but the [TS]

00:05:39   vast vast vast majority of people saying [TS]

00:05:42   anything about the ending of the show [TS]

00:05:43   came through Twitter right that little [TS]

00:05:45   literally thousands of them whereas [TS]

00:05:47   number of emails it was maybe you know [TS]

00:05:48   like 20 30 or 40 those hope that's [TS]

00:05:51   interesting to me just from a sort of [TS]

00:05:53   digital digital anthropological [TS]

00:05:55   perspective that if you because if you [TS]

00:05:58   want to send just like a little note [TS]

00:05:59   like hey thanks for the show like you [TS]

00:06:00   don't want to write sit down write a big [TS]

00:06:01   long email you just want to say some [TS]

00:06:03   nice thing twitter is the perfect medium [TS]

00:06:05   or that some anyway I pre-show that also [TS]

00:06:07   an app that net people have been saying [TS]

00:06:09   slightly longer thinks 255 character [TS]

00:06:11   things but yeah I feel like that at this [TS]

00:06:14   point the show has or has run its course [TS]

00:06:16   like when I started the show and you're [TS]

00:06:18   right it was basically for people who [TS]

00:06:20   don't know behind the scenes it was like [TS]

00:06:21   pulling teeth to get me to do this show [TS]

00:06:23   10 dan is nothing if not persistent and [TS]

00:06:26   so even just managed to do it but it was [TS]

00:06:29   not like you know he you put in [TS]

00:06:32   considerable effort to coerce me into [TS]

00:06:33   doing the show at all like you know [TS]

00:06:35   period and so once I did it unlike our I [TS]

00:06:38   have a list of topics I want to cover [TS]

00:06:39   and you know [TS]

00:06:40   you broad area you did I remember in the [TS]

00:06:42   beginning I've never seen the list by [TS]

00:06:43   the way but you had this long detailed [TS]

00:06:46   list that that that you would you would [TS]

00:06:50   refer to yeah and it was that detail [TS]

00:06:53   like one line item was like toasters [TS]

00:06:55   that's all it said it was just a bullet [TS]

00:06:57   point on the word toasters right this is [TS]

00:06:58   I was sitting there on the list right [TS]

00:06:59   you know I had video game consoles and [TS]

00:07:03   you know but a bunch of a large topics [TS]

00:07:06   of course television it was the very [TS]

00:07:07   first show lots of big topics we want to [TS]

00:07:09   do and I would add to that list [TS]

00:07:10   eventually I to stop using that list but [TS]

00:07:12   I had in mind a certain set of topics [TS]

00:07:13   and I think I've covered pretty much [TS]

00:07:15   everything I wanted to cover this show [TS]

00:07:18   was never meant as sort of an ongoing [TS]

00:07:19   news type program where we like you know [TS]

00:07:22   I don't know like an example like [TS]

00:07:23   Twitter or something where you just [TS]

00:07:24   start even I mean I guess amplified kind [TS]

00:07:27   of where we're like the show is a led a [TS]

00:07:29   little bit by the news like occasionally [TS]

00:07:31   we use the news as a jumping off point [TS]

00:07:33   to discuss a topic like the last show we [TS]

00:07:36   talked about arm and apple and that was [TS]

00:07:38   using that story in wherever was [TS]

00:07:40   business week or whatever about rumors [TS]

00:07:42   of apple switching to arm processors and [TS]

00:07:44   its max that was the news instigation [TS]

00:07:47   but it wasn't that the show wasn't about [TS]

00:07:49   let's talk about that news it was not [TS]

00:07:51   even a current event it just if there [TS]

00:07:52   was something there that triggered a [TS]

00:07:54   thought for you then that would could be [TS]

00:07:56   a topic of conversation potential right [TS]

00:07:58   so that it was used as a way to enter [TS]

00:08:02   into a conversation about something [TS]

00:08:03   broader topic and of course talking [TS]

00:08:06   about major news events every year was [TS]

00:08:09   also expected like the Apple Keynote [TS]

00:08:10   significant apple new harbour of course [TS]

00:08:12   we're going to talk about those you know [TS]

00:08:13   leading up to him stuff like that but [TS]

00:08:14   that still leaves many many weeks in the [TS]

00:08:16   year where there's not a major Apple [TS]

00:08:20   event and there's not something in the [TS]

00:08:21   news that just coincidentally serves as [TS]

00:08:24   a jumping off point to a broader topic [TS]

00:08:25   that I want to talk about so one of the [TS]

00:08:28   big questions of people who didn't want [TS]

00:08:30   the show down and say why not just do [TS]

00:08:32   the show less frequently like all right [TS]

00:08:34   so maybe there's not you don't want it [TS]

00:08:35   to be a new show and it's not a lot of [TS]

00:08:36   topics I do it every to do once a month [TS]

00:08:38   week so once a month once every other [TS]

00:08:40   month right so that brings up the next [TS]

00:08:43   factor in this and buy them all these [TS]

00:08:45   things like i'm i'm mostly summarizing [TS]

00:08:47   your state of the union because you [TS]

00:08:48   pretty much got everything right in [TS]

00:08:49   there next point is that you know [TS]

00:08:51   preparing for these shows takes time [TS]

00:08:53   and it's not time that can easily be [TS]

00:08:56   moved it's like you know the show is [TS]

00:08:59   going to come on a certain schedule and [TS]

00:09:00   that schedule doesn't move too much [TS]

00:09:01   occasionally we've done you know on a [TS]

00:09:02   weekend or something like that but you [TS]

00:09:05   know a weekly or any sort of regular [TS]

00:09:07   schedule show you know you need to it [TS]

00:09:10   needs to be done that it doesn't move [TS]

00:09:12   it's like a hard deadline and the the [TS]

00:09:15   burden of the obligation to do that [TS]

00:09:17   preparation is sort of bounced off by [TS]

00:09:20   the good feelings of having done a good [TS]

00:09:22   show and I know positive positive [TS]

00:09:23   feedback from listeners and everything [TS]

00:09:25   like so on the one side of is it is like [TS]

00:09:28   wouldn't it feel good not to have to do [TS]

00:09:30   a show this week or every week you know [TS]

00:09:33   like I like that I don't have that [TS]

00:09:34   homework assignment hanging out over my [TS]

00:09:35   head and on the flip side of that is [TS]

00:09:36   wouldn't it feel bad to not have done a [TS]

00:09:39   show this week because you know enjoy me [TS]

00:09:42   that are doing a child it's fun to do a [TS]

00:09:43   show right so those two things have [TS]

00:09:46   always been sort of a balancing off each [TS]

00:09:48   other and when the relief of not having [TS]

00:09:51   to do a show starts to surpass the [TS]

00:09:53   potential regret of not having done the [TS]

00:09:55   show that's what that's sort of how I'm [TS]

00:09:56   gauging like when it's time to to you [TS]

00:09:59   know time to call it quits because [TS]

00:10:01   always it's been you know a burden and [TS]

00:10:04   pressure to like you know you gotta get [TS]

00:10:05   the show really show ready but it's a [TS]

00:10:07   good kind of burden pressure because [TS]

00:10:08   like oh but I really want to do the show [TS]

00:10:09   you know I like and those are always in [TS]

00:10:11   bouncing from week to week the bounce [TS]

00:10:13   ships depending on how hectic my life is [TS]

00:10:15   or whatever but I figure when that [TS]

00:10:16   balance starts to shift where it feels [TS]

00:10:18   like that the burden is starting to [TS]

00:10:20   overwhelm the good feelings about doing [TS]

00:10:23   the show then that's time to like you [TS]

00:10:25   know NMR as Marco said in his blog post [TS]

00:10:27   by the ending of his show as you talked [TS]

00:10:29   about and build and analyze it's like I [TS]

00:10:30   like the idea of kind of you know or as [TS]

00:10:33   in the seinfeld episode with george [TS]

00:10:34   leaving the room on a high note you [TS]

00:10:36   always try to go out like on top right [TS]

00:10:38   again you don't want it to just sort of [TS]

00:10:40   have like that seasons you know six [TS]

00:10:42   seven eight and nine of x files right [TS]

00:10:44   how long it went i think the show wait [TS]

00:10:46   to show wait to show should have ended [TS]

00:10:47   after season six it didn't it kept going [TS]

00:10:49   right so I don't want it to be like that [TS]

00:10:51   uh and so like like you said in the [TS]

00:10:55   State of the Union thing you know this [TS]

00:10:57   is this is not my job podcasting as many [TS]

00:10:59   people have you know people are [TS]

00:11:01   surprised to learn that my job is not [TS]

00:11:02   writing one article year for Ars [TS]

00:11:03   Technica right [TS]

00:11:04   that is not a job and it's also believed [TS]

00:11:06   not doing a one hour podcast every week [TS]

00:11:09   it would be nice that was a full-time [TS]

00:11:10   job and if it was a full-time job I can [TS]

00:11:12   tell you that the burden of doing one [TS]

00:11:14   hour podcast a week is substantially [TS]

00:11:16   less than the burden of going to an [TS]

00:11:18   actual full time job site and by the way [TS]

00:11:20   I mean you're full you do not you do not [TS]

00:11:23   have a luxury of being one of these [TS]

00:11:24   folks that works from home uh you you go [TS]

00:11:27   into an office I've seen a picture of [TS]

00:11:29   you in your office oh it's not even in [TS]

00:11:32   office it's an it's a cube and you go in [TS]

00:11:34   there not even a cube anymore it's not [TS]

00:11:36   even cute anymore wow okay so and you [TS]

00:11:38   you go into this thing and this is this [TS]

00:11:40   is your job and you've made special [TS]

00:11:42   arrangements this whole time to be at [TS]

00:11:44   home oh and and moving your schedule [TS]

00:11:46   around so that you could be home on [TS]

00:11:47   Fridays to record and who knows how [TS]

00:11:50   that's cut your career short become [TS]

00:11:53   Irish alright but he knows i carve out a [TS]

00:11:56   chunk of time on friday to be home but [TS]

00:11:57   sometimes i have a meeting before the [TS]

00:11:59   show and sometimes I've been meeting to [TS]

00:12:00   really have to show that ghetto back so [TS]

00:12:01   on I'm you know doing regular [TS]

00:12:02   nine-to-five commute like that's how I [TS]

00:12:04   listen all my podcast by the way I [TS]

00:12:05   learned while I'm commuting in my car to [TS]

00:12:07   my job and so like the normal day is you [TS]

00:12:10   know you go in to work well you know [TS]

00:12:12   wake up get the kids breakfast and [TS]

00:12:13   everything get them dressed get them off [TS]

00:12:15   to school right and then go off to work [TS]

00:12:18   and then work full day and then come [TS]

00:12:21   home from work make dinner and deal with [TS]

00:12:23   homework and bath and do bedtimes and [TS]

00:12:25   everything uh and then at that point uh [TS]

00:12:27   yeah I don't meditate like like you do [TS]

00:12:32   or used to I don't know if you still do [TS]

00:12:33   it you know I don't need that stuff but [TS]

00:12:34   I do need some time to unwind yeah and [TS]

00:12:36   that's usually like after the kids are [TS]

00:12:39   in bed I will just plop down on the [TS]

00:12:41   couch and veg out and watching TV uh-huh [TS]

00:12:43   and it used to be in my in my earlier [TS]

00:12:46   life both before kids and before you [TS]

00:12:48   know RSI rakic then kicked in like my [TS]

00:12:52   unwinding time would also be in front of [TS]

00:12:54   the computer but because of RSI of like [TS]

00:12:56   train myself to do some sort of leisure [TS]

00:12:58   time activity that does not involve [TS]

00:12:59   typing and you know sitting in front of [TS]

00:13:02   the TV is like it's actual positive [TS]

00:13:04   reinforcement is it up by sitting in [TS]

00:13:05   front of TV I'm actually doing something [TS]

00:13:07   healthy for me because i'm not typing [TS]

00:13:08   i'm not using a mouse right of course [TS]

00:13:10   the ipad makes it so now I have a new [TS]

00:13:11   activity that I can do without typing [TS]

00:13:13   using a mouse but anyway ah that [TS]

00:13:16   unwinding time you know I need because [TS]

00:13:18   if you [TS]

00:13:18   my schedule from the moment I wake up in [TS]

00:13:20   some screaming child to the point where [TS]

00:13:23   I finally get them off to bed now that's [TS]

00:13:25   like my time and to have to go [TS]

00:13:26   immediately from getting them into bed [TS]

00:13:30   too okay now I have to do is a show prep [TS]

00:13:32   for four hours and then I'll go to sleep [TS]

00:13:34   you know that that cuts out like either [TS]

00:13:37   either gives up my you know free time [TS]

00:13:38   entirely for one day week or partially [TS]

00:13:41   gives up my free time on multiple days [TS]

00:13:42   that week which usually have runs they [TS]

00:13:44   usually not do it all at once and that [TS]

00:13:46   stops so like this that's the burden [TS]

00:13:47   it's balanced off by like the you know [TS]

00:13:49   how much I enjoy the show and everything [TS]

00:13:51   and of course there's also other [TS]

00:13:53   podcasts I'm on and frequently so if I [TS]

00:13:54   have one of them during the week that [TS]

00:13:55   cuts out another day Denton nights worth [TS]

00:13:57   of free time and anything else I might [TS]

00:13:59   want to do is so many things that you [TS]

00:14:00   know I might want to get into a try or [TS]

00:14:03   you know even though the non computer [TS]

00:14:05   related things like say I keep using [TS]

00:14:07   wood working as an example because i'm [TS]

00:14:08   not actually encumbered working but it's [TS]

00:14:09   a good example but say i just wanted to [TS]

00:14:11   get into woodwork Oh what am I going to [TS]

00:14:12   find time to do that you know so I think [TS]

00:14:16   now is the time both in terms of you [TS]

00:14:18   know subject matter and things I wanted [TS]

00:14:20   to cover and also like time for me to [TS]

00:14:22   you know cut this out and try something [TS]

00:14:26   else for a while give give you know a [TS]

00:14:29   see what else there is out there like [TS]

00:14:31   two years is longer than I thought this [TS]

00:14:32   would go I thought it may be the last [TS]

00:14:34   year yeah that's what you're saying you [TS]

00:14:35   you didn't you would not even commit to [TS]

00:14:37   the year thing I mean I know I was not [TS]

00:14:39   pressuring you to commit to it i was [TS]

00:14:41   just saying like you were you were never [TS]

00:14:42   like yeah um let's do for a year and see [TS]

00:14:44   whatever you were like I I may only do [TS]

00:14:46   one episode yeah or it could be like a [TS]

00:14:48   couple months or whatever but I'm as [TS]

00:14:49   surprised as anyone that it has gone on [TS]

00:14:51   two years it's a testament to how much [TS]

00:14:53   I've enjoyed doing the show but now I [TS]

00:14:54   think it's definitely time to stop and [TS]

00:14:57   so like there why not do it less [TS]

00:14:59   frequently wouldn't that give you more [TS]

00:15:00   free time or whatever it's like I just [TS]

00:15:01   wanna you know just cut it off entirely [TS]

00:15:04   so this is one hundred we're gonna be [TS]

00:15:06   out even though it's not really hundreds [TS]

00:15:08   like ninety eight ish or whatever and [TS]

00:15:09   even if we don't make it to 100 because [TS]

00:15:11   something happens or whatever probably [TS]

00:15:12   you know basically through the end of [TS]

00:15:13   the year will have gone for basically [TS]

00:15:14   two years it will be you know the end [TS]

00:15:17   it's a nice and cutting off point I [TS]

00:15:18   think what I believe in behind is a nice [TS]

00:15:20   body of work which I'm probably gonna [TS]

00:15:22   talk about on some other show but not [TS]

00:15:24   this one so I have a few things planned [TS]

00:15:27   for the last few episodes like we're on [TS]

00:15:31   95 now [TS]

00:15:32   is 95 so we got five more five more one [TS]

00:15:36   show before the end it will be a Q&A [TS]

00:15:39   show or I will take questions from the [TS]

00:15:41   chat room it's not going to be this show [TS]

00:15:44   I'm not sure what show it will be so if [TS]

00:15:47   you're listening to us now and you're [TS]

00:15:48   one of those people who hangs out in the [TS]

00:15:50   chat room uh it's good and under they [TS]

00:15:54   have sales like this like you don't know [TS]

00:15:55   which show it's going to be just being I [TS]

00:15:57   would like to say oh it's definitely [TS]

00:15:59   gonna be the next show it's gonna be 97 [TS]

00:16:01   or something but I don't know I don't [TS]

00:16:02   know what it's gonna be it would [TS]

00:16:03   probably be the show where I am least [TS]

00:16:05   prepared for the show that we can I say [TS]

00:16:06   you know what this week is the Q&A show [TS]

00:16:08   so anyway if you're interested in being [TS]

00:16:11   in the Q&A so I'm sorry that I can't [TS]

00:16:13   tell you ahead of time which show will [TS]

00:16:14   be but on the other hand at dads [TS]

00:16:15   elements of excitement and chance so who [TS]

00:16:17   knows maybe you will be in the chat room [TS]

00:16:19   when we do the Q&A show start thinking [TS]

00:16:21   of your questions now there will be no [TS]

00:16:22   formal process for submitting questions [TS]

00:16:24   it would just be chaos because that's [TS]

00:16:26   what the chat room is about chaos and if [TS]

00:16:28   no one has questions then i'll just make [TS]

00:16:30   Dan makeup question yeah I can I think [TS]

00:16:32   put on your interview her hat and then [TS]

00:16:35   we know those questions can be anything [TS]

00:16:36   like they don't have to be about the [TS]

00:16:38   ending of the show they could be about [TS]

00:16:39   anything at all doesn't mean I'll answer [TS]

00:16:40   them doesn't mean I'll have good answers [TS]

00:16:41   but you know fully open field a lot of [TS]

00:16:43   people but asking about this as well [TS]

00:16:44   like why don't you do a show where you [TS]

00:16:46   take questions from a chat room so that [TS]

00:16:47   will happen before the end of that will [TS]

00:16:48   happen yes okay uh and the final show [TS]

00:16:51   episode 100 or whatever the final show [TS]

00:16:53   is I already know what that show will be [TS]

00:16:56   about so I'm not going to tell you so [TS]

00:16:58   you don't need to give me ideas of what [TS]

00:17:01   I should do for the last show no but [TS]

00:17:02   just like with loss just like with lost [TS]

00:17:04   you wrote the premiere and the finale at [TS]

00:17:07   the same time that's true actually I [TS]

00:17:09   knew I always know the less you always [TS]

00:17:11   knew be about yes all right so do you [TS]

00:17:15   think I covered that is there anything [TS]

00:17:16   else do we need to talk about like that [TS]

00:17:18   up unless she I will do more of a [TS]

00:17:22   retrospective about the show that's not [TS]

00:17:23   what the flesh I was entirely gonna be [TS]

00:17:25   about but I don't have like a like an [TS]

00:17:26   audio montage and you know music [TS]

00:17:29   dramatic music swelling up and I'll have [TS]

00:17:32   something all right seems like the chat [TS]

00:17:37   room it they are very by the way just [TS]

00:17:39   the sentiment the overall sentiment [TS]

00:17:41   there's a lot of I know that you don't [TS]

00:17:44   always activate your motion [TS]

00:17:46   ship but on your behalf i will say that [TS]

00:17:48   there are a lot of the scent overall [TS]

00:17:51   overwhelming sentiment is kind of all [TS]

00:17:54   the stages of sadness you know like the [TS]

00:17:57   denial and disbelief and rejection anger [TS]

00:18:01   all of it people are going through all [TS]

00:18:03   including me are going through all of [TS]

00:18:05   these things and i I just I just want to [TS]

00:18:08   add and you kind of mentioned this but [TS]

00:18:12   you cannot be persuaded that's one thing [TS]

00:18:16   I want to make somewhat clear right in [TS]

00:18:18   its is it you can't be persuaded there's [TS]

00:18:21   nothing that I can do or that other [TS]

00:18:22   folks can do that would encourage you to [TS]

00:18:25   continue for example we should not start [TS]

00:18:28   a Kickstarter project oh yeah you should [TS]

00:18:31   not do that I mean there's nothing [TS]

00:18:31   reasonable like you know you in your [TS]

00:18:34   typical way made every effort to try to [TS]

00:18:36   make the show not and but like there's [TS]

00:18:38   nothing reasonable you can do it was [TS]

00:18:39   like well if you're gonna get a million [TS]

00:18:40   dollars in a little bit you stop no of [TS]

00:18:42   course not man if you can give me a [TS]

00:18:43   million dollars in episode I will do [TS]

00:18:44   this show for at least 100 more that's [TS]

00:18:47   up for a hundred million of axial examle [TS]

00:18:49   and you know what I mean like nothing [TS]

00:18:51   reasonable right there's nothing [TS]

00:18:52   reasonable is not like you know it's [TS]

00:18:55   it's just I feel like it's time and so [TS]

00:18:58   if anything like and even if like yo the [TS]

00:19:01   million dollars in episode type of thing [TS]

00:19:02   like i would probably had John watch in [TS]

00:19:05   the chat room says yay he's got a price [TS]

00:19:07   well everyone has a price you know [TS]

00:19:10   that's like you're asking to pay me to [TS]

00:19:11   you know you know eat babies or [TS]

00:19:14   something like if it would you do that I [TS]

00:19:16   would not eat babies or any price no [TS]

00:19:18   problem so not so there are some things [TS]

00:19:20   then but it's not it's another because I [TS]

00:19:22   have had people contact me like in [TS]

00:19:24   depend on you and me in the contact form [TS]

00:19:27   but like me be like can we can we help [TS]

00:19:30   by raising money i would donate a [TS]

00:19:33   hundred dollars or what you know like it [TS]

00:19:35   just that should flatter you John people [TS]

00:19:37   love you I love you people don't want [TS]

00:19:39   this show to end I did like a lot of [TS]

00:19:41   people saying like inspired by Marcos [TS]

00:19:44   magazine thing like as we talked about [TS]

00:19:46   this before like if we decide to charge [TS]

00:19:47   one dollar in episode 4 the pockets how [TS]

00:19:49   many people would pay and it's like a [TS]

00:19:50   tiny percentage but all those people [TS]

00:19:52   came out of the woodwork when the show [TS]

00:19:53   was ending and said yeah I'll tell you a [TS]

00:19:55   dollar shoulder like that's not you know [TS]

00:19:57   I I'm fascinated by that for [TS]

00:19:59   a financial perspective but it still [TS]

00:20:00   don't want to keep doing the show like [TS]

00:20:02   who and who knows that is the other [TS]

00:20:04   question is like does this mean you're [TS]

00:20:06   going to stop doing podcasts no I'll [TS]

00:20:08   still be on being comparable for example [TS]

00:20:09   but I'm just on that like every once in [TS]

00:20:10   a while that's an inner that's an [TS]

00:20:12   intermittent thing at you it's like [TS]

00:20:13   voluntary like it you know there's a [TS]

00:20:15   topic and they say anyone who wants to [TS]

00:20:16   talk about blah you know you can come on [TS]

00:20:18   the show so it's totally up to me when I [TS]

00:20:19   want to be on that show at all and you [TS]

00:20:21   have also you have also I don't even [TS]

00:20:23   want to use the word as strong as [TS]

00:20:25   indicated because that's almost too [TS]

00:20:28   strong for the borderline [TS]

00:20:31   acknowledgement / implication that there [TS]

00:20:35   might be an agreement to be on like my [TS]

00:20:37   other show the crossover or big week [TS]

00:20:39   when it premieres but you you have not [TS]

00:20:41   ruled that out as sometimes I I have not [TS]

00:20:43   said I won't be on those you have no [TS]

00:20:45   thank you there you haven't said that [TS]

00:20:47   you won't not be on but it'll be exactly [TS]

00:20:48   like being comparable you're talking [TS]

00:20:50   about something I feel like talking [TS]

00:20:51   about it i'll be on if i don't feel like [TS]

00:20:52   it i won't like there's no obligation [TS]

00:20:53   like that's a difference that's why i'm [TS]

00:20:55   still doing the income world stuff [TS]

00:20:56   because it's not is not a burden at all [TS]

00:20:58   it's like oh if i have to blow it off to [TS]

00:21:00   go do something like you know so what [TS]

00:21:01   because i never young now i'm not going [TS]

00:21:03   to volunteer myself to be on that show [TS]

00:21:04   unless it's something i think i want to [TS]

00:21:06   talk about and i have the time and if I [TS]

00:21:08   don't oh well you know and you just also [TS]

00:21:10   be clear and is in as much as as ever we [TS]

00:21:15   are we are and will continue to be best [TS]

00:21:17   best friends BFFs of course I can still [TS]

00:21:20   send me your one line obscure technical [TS]

00:21:23   questions but I am I think it I rate [TS]

00:21:26   when I don't research them for you [TS]

00:21:28   answer that has not happened for a long [TS]

00:21:30   time it's at least several days that's [TS]

00:21:32   right it definitely knew Dan oh and [TS]

00:21:34   speaking of speaking of that like want [TS]

00:21:36   one more thing like i said this on the [TS]

00:21:38   hypercritical twitter account that's [TS]

00:21:39   confusing to people on the [TS]

00:21:40   understandably so this podcast that [TS]

00:21:43   you're listening to is ending but [TS]

00:21:44   hypercritical as a concept lives on and [TS]

00:21:48   what does that mean well it means that [TS]

00:21:49   my blog titled hypercritical which [TS]

00:21:52   predates this podcast will continue to [TS]

00:21:55   exist yes the blog that gets one post a [TS]

00:21:57   year that blog the blog that nobody [TS]

00:21:58   reads that blog but anyway it will [TS]

00:22:00   continue to exist and by the way i have [TS]

00:22:02   a new URL for that type of critical that [TS]

00:22:03   CEO it's the same tumblr site it always [TS]

00:22:05   was but one of the things i'm [TS]

00:22:07   considering trying is i don't know if [TS]

00:22:08   you heard about this thing what they [TS]

00:22:09   called web logs but they shorten it and [TS]

00:22:11   say blog instead [TS]

00:22:12   I might I might try that I'd feel for [TS]

00:22:14   the record for the record one thing you [TS]

00:22:16   were you were in in as much as I've ever [TS]

00:22:19   seen you you were adamant when we [TS]

00:22:21   started this show you said that you had [TS]

00:22:24   a name for the show and you were very [TS]

00:22:27   clear that you would you would this name [TS]

00:22:30   was yours it was absolute was yours it [TS]

00:22:33   was something you've always wanted to [TS]

00:22:35   haven't use and that if you did a show [TS]

00:22:39   it could only be called hypercritical [TS]

00:22:41   and that the name and the show is a [TS]

00:22:43   concept everything that that was that [TS]

00:22:46   that was yours and and yours alone right [TS]

00:22:50   so I could in theory do another podcast [TS]

00:22:52   called hypercritical now I have no plans [TS]

00:22:54   to do this and it still wouldn't be the [TS]

00:22:56   same show as this because the show was [TS]

00:22:57   me and you and if I did another podcast [TS]

00:22:59   called apricot I don't think i would [TS]

00:23:00   probably ever do that boo who knows but [TS]

00:23:02   it would definitely be different than [TS]

00:23:03   this one because we're just be different [TS]

00:23:04   cast of people maybe be me by myself [TS]

00:23:06   maybe me with a group people but anyway [TS]

00:23:07   I have no plans that I'm not talking [TS]

00:23:09   with anybody about doing another podcast [TS]

00:23:10   I want to break from podcasting which of [TS]

00:23:13   course as soon as I say I'm ending this [TS]

00:23:14   you know people come out of the woodwork [TS]

00:23:15   and say oh you want to do this podcast [TS]

00:23:17   like no I want to break yeah shot [TS]

00:23:19   everybody just I need a break right [TS]

00:23:21   anyway maybe maybe I will regret it and [TS]

00:23:23   maybe after three months of not doing a [TS]

00:23:25   podcast I will be ready to explode and [TS]

00:23:27   want to come in and do something else [TS]

00:23:28   but anyway there could very well be [TS]

00:23:31   another podcast with the title [TS]

00:23:32   hypocritical in the future uh-oh the [TS]

00:23:36   main thing is it John and I know that [TS]

00:23:38   everybody everybody listening to this [TS]

00:23:40   agrees with me that we want more of you [TS]

00:23:42   and whenever you're ready wherever you [TS]

00:23:44   are whenever it whatever format you [TS]

00:23:46   decide to deploy yourself in we are [TS]

00:23:49   ready and we will miss you yeah I have a [TS]

00:23:51   feeling though mostly be sporadic stuff [TS]

00:23:53   like maybe I'll do a couple episodes [TS]

00:23:55   some show with some random people I [TS]

00:23:57   doubt I have no plans do any podcast [TS]

00:23:59   collabera critical but if i do if i try [TS]

00:24:01   blogging my blog they need to be called [TS]

00:24:04   hypercritical and if i could ever get [TS]

00:24:07   hyper critical calm that would be the [TS]

00:24:08   URL but I can't get it so I still for [TS]

00:24:10   the missing em I've hypercritical co uh [TS]

00:24:13   and i don't know i think i saw the co [TS]

00:24:15   from you big week co was linked with the [TS]

00:24:17   first code i mean i thought it's just [TS]

00:24:18   like that Kyle of is co domain you're [TS]

00:24:21   missing the Emmett's all especially this [TS]

00:24:23   browsers an hour being less [TS]

00:24:26   I think it was Safari stylist used to be [TS]

00:24:29   able to type a word and they would try [TS]

00:24:30   calm and they would stick on wwe.com and [TS]

00:24:33   they would try to find the URL and now [TS]

00:24:34   they're being weird about that what I do [TS]

00:24:35   a Google search half the time anyway I [TS]

00:24:38   still want the column but they want too [TS]

00:24:40   much money more money for it so hyper [TS]

00:24:42   critical will live on what does that [TS]

00:24:44   mean to you as podcast man probably not [TS]

00:24:46   obvious like oh that's great so you're [TS]

00:24:47   gonna continue to have a quitter twitter [TS]

00:24:48   account in a blog you post to once a [TS]

00:24:50   year i don't care i still want the [TS]

00:24:51   podcast i understand that but anyway [TS]

00:24:54   that that's that's what i mean by the [TS]

00:24:57   idea that hypocritical will live on but [TS]

00:24:59   this incarnation of the show will not I [TS]

00:25:00   don't know how I would ever navigate [TS]

00:25:02   that if I ever decide to have even if I [TS]

00:25:03   came back to five by five to do i [TS]

00:25:05   brokered over again I would probably [TS]

00:25:07   call it something different or called [TS]

00:25:08   hypercritical 'tu or hyper critical [TS]

00:25:10   phase two or I don't know like it seems [TS]

00:25:13   like it needs to be some sort of [TS]

00:25:14   differentiation because you know as I [TS]

00:25:16   will talk about on the the last show [TS]

00:25:18   probably i do like what we've done here [TS]

00:25:20   over a hundred episodes and I sort of [TS]

00:25:22   wanted to or close two hundred episodes [TS]

00:25:23   and I sort of wanted to stand alone as a [TS]

00:25:25   thing but the name itself will live on [TS]

00:25:28   um one more thing about the things we're [TS]

00:25:30   gonna have the last show one of the last [TS]

00:25:32   shows between now and the last show will [TS]

00:25:35   have a siracusa county title oh yes [TS]

00:25:38   which one will it be I don't know who [TS]

00:25:40   will i get to pick will i get to pick [TS]

00:25:43   the title will that back you know what [TS]

00:25:44   that could be how about this i know [TS]

00:25:47   that's a little too strong i know that [TS]

00:25:49   I'm pushing you past the comfort zone [TS]

00:25:50   could we collaborate on a title just [TS]

00:25:52   collaborate a little and I'll be the [TS]

00:25:56   voice of the chair people put in the [TS]

00:25:57   chat room they put them in a bad mood [TS]

00:25:59   aside the actual time oh I always decide [TS]

00:26:02   the titles I picked this Eric you can t [TS]

00:26:04   won because you liked it yes even though [TS]

00:26:05   it wasn't said on the show but that's [TS]

00:26:07   that's the input you have but I'm just [TS]

00:26:08   saying that one of the title will be a [TS]

00:26:10   ser accusing kind of title minute crowd [TS]

00:26:12   fits a real crowd-pleaser John and if [TS]

00:26:15   and if we don't have one up until the [TS]

00:26:19   last show I just have I have to pick one [TS]

00:26:20   for the last show so then all the [TS]

00:26:21   suggestions would be variations on Sarah [TS]

00:26:23   Hughes the camp now so it could it could [TS]

00:26:25   be this episode that you listen to now [TS]

00:26:26   or it could be the next one of the next [TS]

00:26:28   one likes one or could be the last one [TS]

00:26:29   but that is my plan as I tweeted [TS]

00:26:31   probably now I would I this fantastic [TS]

00:26:35   non siracusa county titles every single [TS]

00:26:37   show up in the last one I don't know [TS]

00:26:40   all right yeah well anyway listen [TS]

00:26:42   everyone sad I'm sad and will always [TS]

00:26:46   always will always enjoy and cherish the [TS]

00:26:50   wonderful times we've had making these [TS]

00:26:52   shows and let's have a good one right [TS]

00:26:55   now let's do a show now when we do show [TS]

00:26:57   okay let's do it all right why don't I [TS]

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00:27:26   you don't you they're not going to [TS]

00:27:27   nickel and dime you then I kind of mess [TS]

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00:27:54   stuff in your lightbox when you're ready [TS]

00:27:55   to check out use the code Dan sent me 11 [TS]

00:27:59   because this is the eleventh month or a [TS]

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00:28:05   percent off go check them out thanks [TS]

00:28:08   very much to them for supporting one of [TS]

00:28:10   these last very important shows what we [TS]

00:28:14   talking about today still a whole month [TS]

00:28:16   to go you know what all right uh I know [TS]

00:28:20   there's a whole month ago but it feels [TS]

00:28:21   like the end I'm freaking out all right [TS]

00:28:23   all right uh I have a one black friday [TS]

00:28:26   deal that I tweeted is it okay to talk [TS]

00:28:28   about this even though they're not a [TS]

00:28:29   sponsor of course all right so this this [TS]

00:28:33   relates but to back up vortex i think it [TS]

00:28:35   was like episode 2 or something of this [TS]

00:28:37   show about why you should back up and [TS]

00:28:39   crash plan is having a black friday sale [TS]

00:28:42   where I wants one of those sales but the [TS]

00:28:44   price goes up every couple of hours so [TS]

00:28:46   the later you listen to the show the [TS]

00:28:48   less likely this deal is to be in place [TS]

00:28:50   at all and obviously you don't listen to [TS]

00:28:52   it until actually I think it lesson [TS]

00:28:53   right now it's ninety percent ninety-six [TS]

00:28:56   percent off on crashplan right for their [TS]

00:28:59   me too every two hours the price will [TS]

00:29:01   increase up until Monday the 26 at two [TS]

00:29:04   p.m. central time so right now I'm gonna [TS]

00:29:07   put this in the show notes it's a crash [TS]

00:29:09   all right arm / big sale oh it's already [TS]

00:29:11   there yes so what does that mean [TS]

00:29:12   ninety-six percent up so hang on a [TS]

00:29:15   second this ain't real it's real it's [TS]

00:29:19   only for new customers so that is that [TS]

00:29:20   good but I Avenue though alright so if [TS]

00:29:23   you are a new customer and you do not [TS]

00:29:25   currently subscribe to crash plan or if [TS]

00:29:26   you're willing to try to game the system [TS]

00:29:27   there are ways you can try to get it so [TS]

00:29:29   you can get the steel in your existing [TS]

00:29:30   customer but that would be slightly [TS]

00:29:31   dishonest I did not do that anyway I [TS]

00:29:33   have dollar least 70 some sense for them [TS]

00:29:36   to for a year yeah alright so crashplan [TS]

00:29:40   is an online backup service where your [TS]

00:29:42   computer sends your data over the [TS]

00:29:44   Internet and encrypted form to crash [TS]

00:29:46   plans servers and you pay them what's [TS]

00:29:48   normally a monthly or yearly fee for [TS]

00:29:51   them to store your data for you so that [TS]

00:29:52   your house burns down you can have [TS]

00:29:54   crashplan you can pull your data back [TS]

00:29:56   down from crashplan like backblaze which [TS]

00:29:58   is the other backup service that i use [TS]

00:30:00   they have an unlimited backup thing [TS]

00:30:02   which means unlimited signing up right [TS]

00:30:04   now it's not like five dollars per [TS]

00:30:07   gigabyte or like you could not have up [TS]

00:30:08   to 10 gigabytes unlimited data and they [TS]

00:30:10   can afford to do this because no people [TS]

00:30:11   don't have that much data but for people [TS]

00:30:13   like me who have a lot this is a great [TS]

00:30:15   deal because I love on them into date [TS]

00:30:17   it's like all right here comes a [TS]

00:30:19   terabyte of data have fun you know maybe [TS]

00:30:21   you'll have less than that normally it's [TS]

00:30:23   about a hundred dollars a year or around [TS]

00:30:25   five dollars a month I don't remember [TS]

00:30:26   the exact amounts which I still think [TS]

00:30:28   it's a great deal I pay I have to I have [TS]

00:30:31   backblaze and crashplan and I pay five [TS]

00:30:33   dollars a month backblaze roughly in [TS]

00:30:35   five dollars a month the crashplan I [TS]

00:30:36   think I do the early deals but it's [TS]

00:30:37   similar to that for different computers [TS]

00:30:39   one of my max the mac i'm sitting in [TS]

00:30:41   front of me now is backed up with [TS]

00:30:42   Backblaze and my wife's mac has backed [TS]

00:30:44   up with crashplan and the course to both [TS]

00:30:45   done with also time machine and super [TS]

00:30:47   duper and i think that's a great deal [TS]

00:30:50   five dollars month and they'll store an [TS]

00:30:52   unlimited amount of data for you sure [TS]

00:30:54   i'll keep paying that forever i think [TS]

00:30:55   it's a great idea that everyone should [TS]

00:30:56   have it when people go i don't want [TS]

00:30:57   another five dollar a month the bill or [TS]

00:30:58   whatever well so crashplan is having [TS]

00:31:00   this black friday deal where you can pay [TS]

00:31:01   as of right now two dollars and forty [TS]

00:31:04   cents not per month [TS]

00:31:07   for an entire year of they will store [TS]

00:31:09   all your data an unlimited amount of [TS]

00:31:11   your data whatever you can upload and [TS]

00:31:12   granted this depends on how fast your [TS]

00:31:13   upload connection is how long is it [TS]

00:31:15   going to take you to push all you did up [TS]

00:31:16   to them right but to two hours and forty [TS]

00:31:18   cents for the entire year that's ninety [TS]

00:31:19   six percent off the normal price earlier [TS]

00:31:22   today it was a hundred percent off it [TS]

00:31:23   was completely free and then I was [TS]

00:31:24   ninety-eight percent off and so on and [TS]

00:31:26   so forth I just I just signed up right [TS]

00:31:28   now I went for the 22 whatever computer [TS]

00:31:31   plan yeah it's normally 120 bucks a year [TS]

00:31:34   i just paid five dollars and seventy six [TS]

00:31:36   cents right that's the family plan they [TS]

00:31:38   also have a plans either from 2 to 10 [TS]

00:31:40   computers we just want to backup one [TS]

00:31:41   computer which is what i pay for its one [TS]

00:31:43   price and you just one back up to 210 [TS]

00:31:45   computers and by the way you can use of [TS]

00:31:46   crash plan for free you can backup your [TS]

00:31:48   stuff to a friends computer in a [TS]

00:31:49   different house to another computer [TS]

00:31:50   inside your own house which I don't [TS]

00:31:52   recommend because the whole point is [TS]

00:31:53   you're supposed to be getting stuff off [TS]

00:31:54   site so i highly recommend both these [TS]

00:31:57   types of both these things Backblaze and [TS]

00:32:00   crafts on people keep asking me which [TS]

00:32:01   one is better they both have pros and [TS]

00:32:03   cons i always say it's pretty much a tie [TS]

00:32:05   because i don't like the fact that crash [TS]

00:32:07   plan is written in java and i can't [TS]

00:32:09   really gauge the performance because [TS]

00:32:10   crashplan is running on my pure SSD mac [TS]

00:32:12   so if it's grinding my disco but never [TS]

00:32:14   notice because i've got fast SSD is [TS]

00:32:15   attached to it backblaze is not written [TS]

00:32:18   in java and has a Native Client ah and [TS]

00:32:21   as you know never really bothered my [TS]

00:32:23   disk but crash plant has more features [TS]

00:32:25   so it's like it's you know which one do [TS]

00:32:27   i prefer i use them both i say it's both [TS]

00:32:29   a tie they're both cheap to try i try [TS]

00:32:31   them both if you hate one and try the [TS]

00:32:33   other one over but this deal can't be [TS]

00:32:35   beat this is especially for people who [TS]

00:32:36   are like i don't want to pay five [TS]

00:32:37   dollars a month you can't turn this down [TS]

00:32:39   to dollars and forty cents for a whole [TS]

00:32:41   year just do it it's cheaper than a [TS]

00:32:42   coffee and then you could try it maybe [TS]

00:32:44   it stinks maybe your upload connection [TS]

00:32:46   is too slow maybe it's annoying and [TS]

00:32:47   maybe the client invested with you who [TS]

00:32:48   knows but it's two dollars and forty [TS]

00:32:49   cents and really everyone should have an [TS]

00:32:51   off-site backup so when your house burns [TS]

00:32:53   down your pictures of your kids are [TS]

00:32:54   somewhere it's safe well I'm suspenders [TS]

00:32:57   my visiting guests here in the studio uh [TS]

00:32:59   Sam just also i think signing up for it [TS]

00:33:02   yeah it's a cup of coffee i told [TS]

00:33:05   everyone i told my sister to sign up i [TS]

00:33:06   called my brother that have been sign up [TS]

00:33:09   for it because he's the people who would [TS]

00:33:10   like haven't been willing to pay if I [TS]

00:33:11   does seems like too geeky thing I tried [TS]

00:33:13   to get my mother she's my parents are [TS]

00:33:14   visiting tried to get her to do it it's [TS]

00:33:15   just one more thing for me to learn but [TS]

00:33:17   thankfully do the magic of drop [TS]

00:33:19   she doesn't really have any data it's [TS]

00:33:21   not it's actually on her computer of her [TS]

00:33:23   computer fell into lake she would be [TS]

00:33:25   fine she doesn't store photos on it or [TS]

00:33:27   anything and all her important stuff is [TS]

00:33:28   already in cloud stuff but anyway if I [TS]

00:33:31   could if I can convince her to get this [TS]

00:33:33   deal i would so for people who are [TS]

00:33:35   listening live this is what you get a [TS]

00:33:37   reminder that you can now get an amazing [TS]

00:33:39   deal on this and when the year is up you [TS]

00:33:41   will have to if you wanted to keep going [TS]

00:33:44   after year you'll have to pay the full [TS]

00:33:46   price like this doesn't last forever [TS]

00:33:47   it's just it's just the cheap price for [TS]

00:33:49   one year I don't know if it auto renew [TS]

00:33:50   or not or if you have to remember to [TS]

00:33:51   cancel what I'm pretty sure it doesn't [TS]

00:33:53   auto renew it pretty sure when your year [TS]

00:33:55   starts coming up they'll start sending [TS]

00:33:56   you email saying hey your things about [TS]

00:33:58   to expire in a year if you want to [TS]

00:33:59   continue to have your back up you should [TS]

00:34:00   really start paying and at that point i [TS]

00:34:02   would say yes you should really start [TS]

00:34:03   paying because you put in the time to [TS]

00:34:04   upload your however many gigabytes of [TS]

00:34:06   data just pay five dollars a month it's [TS]

00:34:08   worth it for the peace of mind if you [TS]

00:34:09   have data that you would be sad if it [TS]

00:34:12   disappeared like you know if you have [TS]

00:34:14   more data than fits on like a dropbox [TS]

00:34:16   account that you're already using you [TS]

00:34:17   don't have a cloud backup strategy and [TS]

00:34:18   you have pictures of your kids really [TS]

00:34:21   you should do some sort of off-site [TS]

00:34:22   backup now some of the chatroom says you [TS]

00:34:25   can check a box either auto renew or not [TS]

00:34:26   auto renew when you sign up so there you [TS]

00:34:28   go i unchecked it because i may not like [TS]

00:34:31   it but there you go so you when you sign [TS]

00:34:33   up you can choose whether you want to [TS]

00:34:34   Nick no you know so that that was the [TS]

00:34:36   free ad for a crash plan but really [TS]

00:34:38   that's that's an amazing deal like it's [TS]

00:34:40   you know because it costs them money to [TS]

00:34:41   it's not like oh well yeah it's really [TS]

00:34:43   give it to us for free but doesn't cost [TS]

00:34:44   them anything it does they have to store [TS]

00:34:46   your data like you they have to keep [TS]

00:34:48   your data on the series of hard drives [TS]

00:34:49   or whatever crazy storage thingy you [TS]

00:34:51   were costing them money and they're [TS]

00:34:52   basically giving away for free for an [TS]

00:34:53   entire year in the hopes that you will [TS]

00:34:55   come to like it and then pay them you [TS]

00:34:56   know if I'd belt a month after that I [TS]

00:34:58   don't you said you said you can send [TS]

00:35:01   them a hard drive I don't know I have [TS]

00:35:04   never done that I believe you can most [TS]

00:35:06   of these services have a way I would [TS]

00:35:07   never do that because i have really fast [TS]

00:35:09   internet connection unfortunately a lot [TS]

00:35:11   of like my internet connection has what [TS]

00:35:13   is it thirty five megabits up which is [TS]

00:35:15   not as fast marcos a crazy expensive one [TS]

00:35:17   because i think 35 sent for me but I [TS]

00:35:19   most of these services cannot accept 35 [TS]

00:35:22   megabits per second upload like they [TS]

00:35:25   don't saturate my upload pipe when I'm [TS]

00:35:27   uploaded to them we're just kind of a [TS]

00:35:29   shame but you know at least I can my [TS]

00:35:31   connection can peek to whatever their [TS]

00:35:33   able to handle it really depends on how [TS]

00:35:34   far you are from their data center and [TS]

00:35:36   stuff like that because some people say [TS]

00:35:37   they have gotten much better speeds than [TS]

00:35:39   me on both backpack weighs and crash man [TS]

00:35:41   but from my location I get you know 5 10 [TS]

00:35:45   megabits per second maybe a I don't [TS]

00:35:48   think i've ever seen higher than 10 [TS]

00:35:49   megabits up for these things but so it [TS]

00:35:51   does take a long time to upload you did [TS]

00:35:52   but yeah if you were impatient you could [TS]

00:35:54   send the hard drive but I am NOT [TS]

00:35:57   impatient because I have eight million [TS]

00:35:59   other backups all right back to some [TS]

00:36:02   more traditional follow up on the last [TS]

00:36:04   show we talked about arm vs intel and [TS]

00:36:07   apples use of same in their max I was [TS]

00:36:12   talking about Intel's market cap and the [TS]

00:36:15   fact that Apple has probably enough cash [TS]

00:36:18   to buy Intel wanted to despite the fact [TS]

00:36:22   that's probably silly idea and antitrust [TS]

00:36:23   and blah blah blah and at the time my [TS]

00:36:25   red Intel's market cap people in the [TS]

00:36:28   chat room we're saying until it's not [TS]

00:36:30   worth 1,000,000,000 have a 1 billion [TS]

00:36:32   dollar market cap and I ignored them [TS]

00:36:34   because I said those people must have [TS]

00:36:36   misheard me because I have here in my [TS]

00:36:37   notes written the exact market cap of [TS]

00:36:39   Intel and I just read it so normally [TS]

00:36:41   when people say something chat room I [TS]

00:36:42   like oh did I say that long correct [TS]

00:36:44   myself oh no I didn't say 1 billion [TS]

00:36:45   dollars i'm staring at the number as i [TS]

00:36:47   spoke the words about their market cap [TS]

00:36:49   well welcome back to listen to the [TS]

00:36:51   episode i'm staring at in my notes the [TS]

00:36:54   number 10 4.22 and then a capital B and [TS]

00:36:57   what I actually said was 1.4 ah so I [TS]

00:37:00   apologize my inability to read numbers [TS]

00:37:04   off of my show notes continues 104 point [TS]

00:37:08   to two billion dollars is Intel's market [TS]

00:37:10   gap everything else still stands Apple [TS]

00:37:12   does have about 100 million dollars you [TS]

00:37:14   know in cash and long term securities [TS]

00:37:17   blah blah blah like not that you know [TS]

00:37:18   anyway it's not outside the realm of [TS]

00:37:21   possibility that Apple could buy Intel [TS]

00:37:22   financially speaking you know from a [TS]

00:37:25   regulatory perspective and from a sanity [TS]

00:37:27   perspective for whether Apple would he [TS]

00:37:28   ever even want intel that's a hold of [TS]

00:37:30   deal but I was just pointing out that [TS]

00:37:31   what a crazy world we live in where that [TS]

00:37:33   that is even financially feasible and i [TS]

00:37:37   think i read an apples market cap [TS]

00:37:39   correctly it's like 500 billion or [TS]

00:37:41   something like that and has been at [TS]

00:37:42   various times much higher so i apologize [TS]

00:37:45   to the chat room i will never doubt you [TS]

00:37:47   and I will never trust my ability to [TS]

00:37:49   read numbers off my show notes one more [TS]

00:37:51   thing which I am aware that I do all the [TS]

00:37:52   time but it's difficult is silicon [TS]

00:37:55   versus silicon silicon is you know the [TS]

00:37:59   thing that chips are made out of and [TS]

00:38:02   silicon is a rubber synthetic polymer [TS]

00:38:07   thing that I like to use for cases for [TS]

00:38:09   my ipod touches and stuff the only [TS]

00:38:11   difference is little at the end but it [TS]

00:38:12   makes very big difference in terms of [TS]

00:38:14   materials so when talking about chips [TS]

00:38:16   last episode at various times I said [TS]

00:38:17   silicon still silicon anytime we're [TS]

00:38:20   talking about chips I'm trying to say [TS]

00:38:22   silicon occasionally my mouth says [TS]

00:38:23   silicon so I apologize for that slight [TS]

00:38:26   difference yes this is a way back follow [TS]

00:38:30   up about fusion drive which talked about [TS]

00:38:33   apples way to combine a SSD and a hard [TS]

00:38:35   dive into one logical volume that has [TS]

00:38:38   really good performance characteristics [TS]

00:38:39   many people have been complaining about [TS]

00:38:41   the fact that during testing it seems [TS]

00:38:43   that when you do like a right to are you [TS]

00:38:47   doing anything with a fusion drive if [TS]

00:38:48   the spinning part of the fusion drive is [TS]

00:38:51   asleep it will spin up which seems like [TS]

00:38:54   a shame is people like oh well what if [TS]

00:38:55   I'm just doing stuff with the SSD [TS]

00:38:56   welcome only reading and writing files [TS]

00:38:58   that are totally residing st and of [TS]

00:39:00   course fusion does all its rights [TS]

00:39:01   initially to the SSD and it may send [TS]

00:39:02   them to the hard disk later but [TS]

00:39:03   apparently when you do anything to a [TS]

00:39:06   fusion drive like the logical [TS]

00:39:08   combination of the SSD and the spinning [TS]

00:39:10   disk if the spinning disk is asleep it [TS]

00:39:13   will wake up even if you're not going to [TS]

00:39:14   do anything with it even if you're not [TS]

00:39:16   going to put any data over to it not [TS]

00:39:18   going to read any data from it it just [TS]

00:39:19   spins up I'm not sure why that is it may [TS]

00:39:21   just be a weird implementation thing [TS]

00:39:23   that or maybe make sense from the [TS]

00:39:25   perspective of you have to write [TS]

00:39:26   something two if by the time you have to [TS]

00:39:28   write something to you don't decide then [TS]

00:39:29   just spin the drive up because then [TS]

00:39:30   you're gonna have this big delay better [TS]

00:39:32   to just spin the drop all the time I [TS]

00:39:33   don't think this is that big a deal [TS]

00:39:35   because my spinning drive is up all the [TS]

00:39:36   time yeah now anyway because it's my [TS]

00:39:39   boot drive and it never goes to sleep [TS]

00:39:41   right i have my disc set to go to sleep [TS]

00:39:42   when they're not in use but obviously [TS]

00:39:44   unmount the ones that are in use and so [TS]

00:39:46   all my jobs are spending all the time so [TS]

00:39:48   i don't think this is a big deal for me [TS]

00:39:50   but for people who had been doing a sort [TS]

00:39:53   of manual fusion drive with a through a [TS]

00:39:54   series of symlinks put like the only the [TS]

00:39:56   files they want on the SSD and the other [TS]

00:39:58   files on the spinning disk [TS]

00:39:59   is a downgrade for them because it used [TS]

00:40:01   to be with the symlink thing if you [TS]

00:40:03   never touch anything on the spinning [TS]

00:40:04   drive uh you would always they would it [TS]

00:40:07   wouldn't spin up it would just go to [TS]

00:40:08   sleep and stay asleep so i'll be [TS]

00:40:10   watching that to see how annoying it is [TS]

00:40:12   when i get in 2013 when i get my macpro [TS]

00:40:14   it ships by default with the fusion [TS]

00:40:16   drive fingers crossed I'll see how [TS]

00:40:19   annoying that is but i just want to [TS]

00:40:20   point out it Phil Blackwell is the [TS]

00:40:21   person who brought that to my attention [TS]

00:40:22   just before the show although I've seen [TS]

00:40:24   many people complaining about it all [TS]

00:40:27   right now in fact the main the main part [TS]

00:40:30   of the show is going to be follow-up on [TS]

00:40:31   arm vs apple stuff so just to prepare [TS]

00:40:33   everybody this this is going to be like [TS]

00:40:35   a full follow-up show and have one minor [TS]

00:40:37   topic at the end of it if we get to it [TS]

00:40:38   so moving on to that follow up this is [TS]

00:40:41   firm Aaron rosenblum talking about a [TS]

00:40:44   cisco versus risk on the on the pasho in [TS]

00:40:47   the past show where you went into great [TS]

00:40:50   detail and we all learned a lot more [TS]

00:40:53   maybe than we were expecting to about [TS]

00:40:54   risk but life and love life in love and [TS]

00:40:58   the Jenners that we're all on together [TS]

00:41:00   until the Mayans prophecy comes to pass [TS]

00:41:02   yeah a lot of people said boy I wish you [TS]

00:41:04   know I wish that John was my college [TS]

00:41:07   professor to teach me about these things [TS]

00:41:08   involve all I mean anyone who actually [TS]

00:41:10   knows about these topics or learned [TS]

00:41:12   about them in a formal setting knows all [TS]

00:41:14   the things that I you know [TS]

00:41:15   oversimplified in in that discussion and [TS]

00:41:18   all the things that like you know that [TS]

00:41:21   analogy with the sewing machines stuff [TS]

00:41:22   like that the reason you enjoy that [TS]

00:41:24   podcast more than a college courses [TS]

00:41:27   because the college course is actually [TS]

00:41:28   rigorous and correct and so I would [TS]

00:41:30   encourage everybody not to think like [TS]

00:41:31   now I've learned everything there is a [TS]

00:41:33   no by risking sisk no you didn't I like [TS]

00:41:35   I gave like I said the Cliff Notes [TS]

00:41:36   version if you read the CliffsNotes [TS]

00:41:38   version of a not you didn't read the [TS]

00:41:40   novel like there really is a lot no one [TS]

00:41:42   understand here I was trying to give [TS]

00:41:43   like it you know sort of all right you [TS]

00:41:45   assuming you don't actually want to [TS]

00:41:46   understand the details of this because [TS]

00:41:47   like I'm not that interested but just [TS]

00:41:49   give me sort of the gist of it i think i [TS]

00:41:50   gave the gist of it but you know as [TS]

00:41:52   someone who has gone through this in a [TS]

00:41:54   formal way listening to my own show like [TS]

00:41:57   oh geez like no that's not really right [TS]

00:41:58   oh that's not quite though you know but [TS]

00:42:00   so it should be more fun to listen to [TS]

00:42:04   the college you know of course because [TS]

00:42:06   it's not as good as a college course [TS]

00:42:08   it's not as informative is not an [TS]

00:42:09   accurate as a college course so anyone [TS]

00:42:13   who [TS]

00:42:13   really is interested in this stuff it's [TS]

00:42:14   not that much more difficult than what I [TS]

00:42:17   explained but there are lots and lots of [TS]

00:42:19   details and it's actually kind of fun to [TS]

00:42:20   pick whatever level you think is the [TS]

00:42:23   lowest level that you're interested in [TS]

00:42:25   like say you're not interested in [TS]

00:42:26   physics I don't care about what the [TS]

00:42:27   subatomic particles been doing inside my [TS]

00:42:29   computer right I don't want to learn [TS]

00:42:31   about that because it's really [TS]

00:42:32   complicated and it is it's really [TS]

00:42:33   complicated and it gets really crazy [TS]

00:42:34   when you get down and took physics and [TS]

00:42:36   stuff like that just say okay I'm going [TS]

00:42:39   to assume there's something called an [TS]

00:42:40   and gate and or gate and an and gate or [TS]

00:42:42   whatever right I don't know how they [TS]

00:42:43   work inside I don't have to know all I [TS]

00:42:45   have to know is this is how they work [TS]

00:42:46   electrically right you can start from [TS]

00:42:49   there and understand like boolean logic [TS]

00:42:51   and go through that and work your way up [TS]

00:42:52   to understanding how modern computer [TS]

00:42:54   works and it's not really that [TS]

00:42:55   complicated it's there's nothing [TS]

00:42:57   mind-bending in it Larry you know [TS]

00:42:59   there's nothing that I found is [TS]

00:43:01   challenging is advanced mathematics or [TS]

00:43:04   physics it's really something that it's [TS]

00:43:06   got the wood working again it's no more [TS]

00:43:08   complicated than woodworking you can [TS]

00:43:09   learn how a modern computer work [TS]

00:43:11   starting from the gate level ignoring [TS]

00:43:14   everything below that and working your [TS]

00:43:15   way up from first principles anybody can [TS]

00:43:17   learn that and it's actually interesting [TS]

00:43:18   and fascinating it will give you insight [TS]

00:43:20   into how computers work believe it or [TS]

00:43:22   not that's why I feel bad for the people [TS]

00:43:23   who have CS degrees where they don't [TS]

00:43:25   actually learn how the machine works [TS]

00:43:26   it's not like I'm bemoaning the fact [TS]

00:43:28   that they learn Java and they should be [TS]

00:43:30   learning assembly and not that but like [TS]

00:43:31   I think it's very interesting and how we [TS]

00:43:33   how we built their way up from the first [TS]

00:43:36   guy who builds a transistor all the way [TS]

00:43:37   up to the computers we have today and I [TS]

00:43:39   think any person can actually walk that [TS]

00:43:41   path and learn that stuff so go get some [TS]

00:43:43   college textbooks and start first [TS]

00:43:45   principles and you can get there all on [TS]

00:43:48   your own like you don't need a professor [TS]

00:43:50   to teach it to you or anything it's [TS]

00:43:51   really very straightforward stuff so [TS]

00:43:55   anyway that's sidebar and Rosenbaum says [TS]

00:43:58   that rosenblum points out something that [TS]

00:44:01   I forgot to talk about am I fail in my [TS]

00:44:04   talk about risk and sisk was that when [TS]

00:44:07   the cysts CPUs were conceived no they [TS]

00:44:10   weren't called sisk back when they were [TS]

00:44:11   just called CPUs but anyway when they [TS]

00:44:12   were conceived the cost of memory was [TS]

00:44:15   tremendously i mean the original mac at [TS]

00:44:16   128 kilobytes of memory it's not because [TS]

00:44:19   they were stingy it's because memory [TS]

00:44:20   just costs a huge amount of money right [TS]

00:44:22   oh and the advantage of a cisco program [TS]

00:44:26   in that environment [TS]

00:44:27   it can be shorter you just need one [TS]

00:44:28   instruction to do you know move the data [TS]

00:44:31   from memory address to another memory [TS]

00:44:32   address you don't need to instructions [TS]

00:44:34   to do that and one instruction takes up [TS]

00:44:35   less room than two instructions and so [TS]

00:44:37   sisk by having a single instruction that [TS]

00:44:40   the that will you know tell the CPU to [TS]

00:44:43   do a complicated operation makes your [TS]

00:44:45   program smaller and sprawl our programs [TS]

00:44:47   means less memory on disk minutes lemme [TS]

00:44:49   less memory to you know store and run [TS]

00:44:51   them and also this is another thing we [TS]

00:44:54   get to later and the follow up / topic [TS]

00:44:56   here variable-length instructions to [TS]

00:44:59   talk about an x86 / certain instructions [TS]

00:45:02   are shorter than other instructions as [TS]

00:45:04   opposed to the risk philosophy is we [TS]

00:45:06   just may call for instructions exactly [TS]

00:45:07   the same size we can build all our [TS]

00:45:08   machinery to just not deal with you know [TS]

00:45:10   it's much easier we can just pull you [TS]

00:45:12   know 32-bit instruction a 32-bit [TS]

00:45:14   instruction you know exactly where each [TS]

00:45:15   instruction begins and ends and your [TS]

00:45:17   decoding hardware can be simpler and you [TS]

00:45:18   know it's much easier than a [TS]

00:45:20   variable-length instruction stream but [TS]

00:45:22   variable like instructions like an x86 a [TS]

00:45:24   kind of a simple form of instruction [TS]

00:45:27   stream compression because you know [TS]

00:45:28   you'd presume that the most common [TS]

00:45:30   instructions will be the shortest and [TS]

00:45:31   then the more obscure instructions would [TS]

00:45:32   be longer and now you're basically you [TS]

00:45:34   know compressing your instruction stream [TS]

00:45:36   which even in the case where memory [TS]

00:45:38   doesn't cost a lot is good for you know [TS]

00:45:40   bandwidth and stuff like that so thanks [TS]

00:45:44   Aaron for reminding about the the [TS]

00:45:45   relationship between sisk and memory [TS]

00:45:47   usage one more on the well many more the [TS]

00:45:52   apple arm thing but this was a little [TS]

00:45:54   weird this is created I mean were you [TS]

00:45:56   expecting this much feedback John yes I [TS]

00:45:58   thought I might have an entire separate [TS]

00:46:00   second show on it and so good and so [TS]

00:46:02   here we are uh but this one is more of a [TS]

00:46:05   traditional polyp or non-traditional [TS]

00:46:08   anyway we talked about sticky tape [TS]

00:46:10   because i gave a link to the YouTube [TS]

00:46:13   clips of the secret life of machines [TS]

00:46:15   which is a british show yes in [TS]

00:46:16   particular the episode where they show [TS]

00:46:18   you how a sewing machine works and i [TS]

00:46:21   said that the show was memorable to me [TS]

00:46:22   from when I was a kid because I said [TS]

00:46:24   sticky tape which I thought was charming [TS]

00:46:26   and strange from an American perspective [TS]

00:46:28   but I am informed by many people [TS]

00:46:30   including David Wright that the British [TS]

00:46:33   people do not call it sticky tape either [TS]

00:46:35   they call it sellotape and sellotape is [TS]

00:46:37   the name brand kind of like scotch tape [TS]

00:46:38   here in the US so [TS]

00:46:40   TV they didn't want to call it sellotape [TS]

00:46:41   like when they say here i have a cola [TS]

00:46:43   instead of saying a coke and I got the [TS]

00:46:44   can covered or whatever well so they [TS]

00:46:45   didn't want to call it sticky tape [TS]

00:46:46   didn't want to call it sellotape so they [TS]

00:46:48   called sticky tape instead and he says [TS]

00:46:51   on one BBC TV show they called it sticky [TS]

00:46:53   back plastic which met with universal [TS]

00:46:55   derision and mockery and he says I think [TS]

00:46:58   people assumed it was an Americanism [TS]

00:46:59   nope it is not an Americanism no one [TS]

00:47:01   here so sticky back plastic so here we [TS]

00:47:03   are both assuming we have crazy ways to [TS]

00:47:05   say things but then further discussion [TS]

00:47:07   this was on app.net we came down with [TS]

00:47:09   this consensus from the few people that [TS]

00:47:11   replied in the UK they call it sellotape [TS]

00:47:13   SEL OU d AP and the u.s. is called [TS]

00:47:16   scotch tape both those are name brand [TS]

00:47:17   and Australia apparently they do really [TS]

00:47:20   call it sticky tape I don't know why so [TS]

00:47:23   I'm hesitant to ask for any further [TS]

00:47:26   clarification if I'm getting this wrong [TS]

00:47:28   but the consensus on apt then that was [TS]

00:47:30   UK sellotape us scotch tape Australia [TS]

00:47:32   sticky tape and there you go more than [TS]

00:47:34   you ever wanted to know about clear [TS]

00:47:36   plastic tape all right one other thing [TS]

00:47:42   on Apple and arm one more thing an apple [TS]

00:47:45   on arm a couple people pointed this out [TS]

00:47:46   it didn't save the names what if Apple [TS]

00:47:49   switch to arm and it's max what happens [TS]

00:47:51   to boot camp camp is the thing that lets [TS]

00:47:54   you reboot your Mac into windows as if [TS]

00:47:57   it was just a PC no I'm not emulation [TS]

00:47:59   just you're just accessing the CPU and [TS]

00:48:02   they provide drivers and a special boot [TS]

00:48:04   partition and that kind of good stuff [TS]

00:48:05   yeah it just looks like a PC as far as [TS]

00:48:08   Windows is concerned and I love boot [TS]

00:48:10   camp as a Mac user and a gamer because [TS]

00:48:13   that means I have complete access to [TS]

00:48:14   every Windows game that I want because [TS]

00:48:16   there's no issues whatsoever just I'm [TS]

00:48:18   happen to be using a pc with with a [TS]

00:48:20   weird-looking case and all the windows [TS]

00:48:21   games aren't great on well if you switch [TS]

00:48:23   to arm boot camp goes away except for [TS]

00:48:26   the fact that Microsoft has ported [TS]

00:48:29   windows to armed with Windows RT so [TS]

00:48:32   there's you know like well what it by [TS]

00:48:34   the time this happens maybe you know [TS]

00:48:36   Windows RT becomes a dominant form of [TS]

00:48:38   Windows and game developers for making [TS]

00:48:40   games for windows start targeting [TS]

00:48:41   Windows RT but there are a lot of [TS]

00:48:43   complaints from game makers about [TS]

00:48:45   windows 8 and how it friendly it is to [TS]

00:48:49   writing games for PCs and I don't know [TS]

00:48:50   if pc game makers are going to be whole [TS]

00:48:53   heartedly [TS]

00:48:53   bracing Windows RT running an arm but [TS]

00:48:55   from the current perspective yeah if you [TS]

00:48:59   were if the apples to go with arm boot [TS]

00:49:01   camp as we currently know it the ability [TS]

00:49:02   to run windows for x86 and all the games [TS]

00:49:05   they run on when I was four I say six [TS]

00:49:06   that would go away and that would be [TS]

00:49:08   said I mean yes you can need to [TS]

00:49:10   emulation in the same way we used to do [TS]

00:49:11   emulation with a virtual pc but [TS]

00:49:13   emulation is super slow and really not [TS]

00:49:14   tenable four games at all which is a [TS]

00:49:17   shame so I would be sad to see like that [TS]

00:49:21   should have been mentioned that [TS]

00:49:22   unabashed show all right now we get into [TS]

00:49:25   the meat of Apple versus arm and a lot [TS]

00:49:28   of us relating to you know my assessment [TS]

00:49:30   of Intel and where they are with respect [TS]

00:49:33   to arm and cpu race and stuff like that [TS]

00:49:35   so this is from let's see how to do here [TS]

00:49:38   maurits norland he's got some [TS]

00:49:42   information about intelligence Apple is [TS]

00:49:43   so large today the Intel doesn't have [TS]

00:49:45   the fab space for Apple would need a [TS]

00:49:49   whole new 22 nanometer fab just for [TS]

00:49:51   themselves we're talking about fifty to [TS]

00:49:53   eighty thousand 22 nanometer wafer [TS]

00:49:55   starts per month so saying that if Apple [TS]

00:50:00   wanted in tell toofab all their CV use [TS]

00:50:02   who are the mole their arm CPUs like [TS]

00:50:04   Intel couldn't do it there was an Intel [TS]

00:50:06   can you please you know fab every single [TS]

00:50:08   CPU that we have in all our ipod touches [TS]

00:50:09   all our iphones and our ipads until [TS]

00:50:12   wouldnt have the capacity even if they [TS]

00:50:13   were willing to do it oh and the fun [TS]

00:50:16   thing is he says intel have lots empty [TS]

00:50:19   space if they don't just just don't do [TS]

00:50:20   anything because last year x86 lost [TS]

00:50:22   twenty five percent market share to arm [TS]

00:50:24   it's just hidden because they don't [TS]

00:50:25   count tablets as computers he points out [TS]

00:50:28   that the average selling price of an [TS]

00:50:29   ipad today is higher than the average [TS]

00:50:31   selling price of a pc so it's kind of [TS]

00:50:33   silly to say okay well intel is the [TS]

00:50:35   leading pc cpu maker but that's just [TS]

00:50:38   because ipads don't count as pcs and [TS]

00:50:40   this is an ongoing thing with how do how [TS]

00:50:41   do you count ipads in terms of market [TS]

00:50:43   share and stuff like that and that's [TS]

00:50:46   that's a mess for all of the people who [TS]

00:50:50   released those reports about who's got [TS]

00:50:52   what market share of what market like [TS]

00:50:55   that that will sort itself out and [TS]

00:50:58   really has nothing to do with the [TS]

00:50:59   reality situation the reality situation [TS]

00:51:01   is at Apple is selling tons and tons [TS]

00:51:03   devices with arm CPUs and a much much [TS]

00:51:05   smaller number of devices with Intel [TS]

00:51:06   CPUs and even if Apple could get our [TS]

00:51:09   Intel to fab all of its arm CPUs Intel [TS]

00:51:12   couldn't do if this doesn't have the [TS]

00:51:13   capacity this according to merits my [TS]

00:51:17   addition to this is that Apple needs a [TS]

00:51:20   really beefy GPU for like for its retina [TS]

00:51:22   displays and paroled being on that goes [TS]

00:51:25   tens GUI is powered by OpenGL all that [TS]

00:51:27   stuff right and for many many years [TS]

00:51:29   Intel's integrated GPUs we're really [TS]

00:51:32   crappy the integrated GPU is the GPU [TS]

00:51:34   they put now currently on die with the [TS]

00:51:36   CPU because if you got so many [TS]

00:51:37   transistors they need something to use [TS]

00:51:39   the mana so we can put the GPU right on [TS]

00:51:40   diets and it's you know much more [TS]

00:51:42   economical and faster and better but [TS]

00:51:44   they were putting crappy GPUs on on [TS]

00:51:45   their CPUs so Intel for years has been [TS]

00:51:48   pressuring our Apple for years since I'm [TS]

00:51:50   pressuring Intel to make better [TS]

00:51:51   integrated GPUs they wanted Intel to put [TS]

00:51:55   a really good world-class GPU on on the [TS]

00:51:59   cpu die and remember all those years of [TS]

00:52:02   apple shipping things like well we've [TS]

00:52:03   got a crappy GPU on the cpu but with [TS]

00:52:06   then we've got a discrete GPU from [TS]

00:52:07   Nvidia whoever you know on laptops and [TS]

00:52:09   stuff like that and Apple to this crazy [TS]

00:52:11   things we switch between GPUs that's [TS]

00:52:13   really kind of hacky and problematic and [TS]

00:52:15   they said well when you do something [TS]

00:52:16   fancy like or play a game or something [TS]

00:52:17   we'll use the really powerful discrete [TS]

00:52:19   GPU but when you're the scrolling window [TS]

00:52:21   will try to use the integrated one [TS]

00:52:23   that's a big mess Apple would really [TS]

00:52:24   like to simplify that now Intel's HD [TS]

00:52:27   graphics 4000 that are on the current [TS]

00:52:29   line of retina macbook pro 15-inch in 30 [TS]

00:52:31   inch that integrated GPU can barely [TS]

00:52:34   handle the 15-inch retina display [TS]

00:52:37   especially at this the higher than [TS]

00:52:41   native resolution modes like where you [TS]

00:52:43   can tell that you can tell a retina [TS]

00:52:46   MacBook Pro to pretend it has a 1920 x [TS]

00:52:49   1200 screen and what it actually does is [TS]

00:52:52   it renders everything into a 3840 x 2400 [TS]

00:52:57   pixel thing that's too big for the the [TS]

00:53:01   actual native LCD to display and then it [TS]

00:53:03   scales that image down and shows it on [TS]

00:53:05   the display every everything in the GPU [TS]

00:53:08   it thinks its handling like a you know a [TS]

00:53:10   screen that's a that's almost 4000 [TS]

00:53:12   pixels wide and the GPU is just can just [TS]

00:53:14   barely squeaked by being able to handle [TS]

00:53:16   that [TS]

00:53:16   the kind of chokes and stutters [TS]

00:53:18   occasionally doing something simple as [TS]

00:53:19   scrolling it like it it's acceptable [TS]

00:53:21   it's okay but it's just really at the [TS]

00:53:22   limits of what Intel's latest and [TS]

00:53:25   greatest instigate integrated GPU can [TS]

00:53:26   handle and so the upcoming integrated [TS]

00:53:31   intel GPUs will be much more powerful [TS]

00:53:33   and one of the features they're likely [TS]

00:53:35   to have at apple's behest is integrated [TS]

00:53:38   dram like dedicated ram and if you leave [TS]

00:53:42   us there putting ram under the cpu but [TS]

00:53:43   just yet sounds crazy but you know how [TS]

00:53:45   you gotta get a lot of transistors so [TS]

00:53:47   they've got the cpu on the cpu die [TS]

00:53:49   they've got the GPU on the cpu die and [TS]

00:53:51   they're also going to have some amount [TS]

00:53:52   some small amount of ram like you know [TS]

00:53:54   64 128 Meg's dedicated just for the GPU [TS]

00:53:58   we'll talk more about that in a bit but [TS]

00:54:01   this is the kind of thing that the Apple [TS]

00:54:04   wants from Intel back to merits I says [TS]

00:54:07   that Apple start talking to AMD a while [TS]

00:54:10   back because AMD has better gpop of [TS]

00:54:12   course they bought a TI and so we've got [TS]

00:54:13   the whole radeon line or whatever and [TS]

00:54:14   the reason apples talking to md [TS]

00:54:16   according to merits is like Intel was [TS]

00:54:19   not giving the GPUs they want and like [TS]

00:54:20   well you know Andy has great GPUs but [TS]

00:54:22   aim d can't supply apple with the CPUs [TS]

00:54:25   that it needs it doesn't have the [TS]

00:54:26   foundry capacity so right now according [TS]

00:54:29   to Mars Apple is looking for a way out [TS]

00:54:31   from Intel's monopoly grip and Intel [TS]

00:54:33   knows it that's why they're subsidizing [TS]

00:54:34   ultrabooks and all that other stuff [TS]

00:54:36   further you know Intel's encouraging PC [TS]

00:54:38   makers to basically make macbook air [TS]

00:54:40   clones which is not making their partner [TS]

00:54:42   Apple particularly happy and yeah does [TS]

00:54:45   this trouble in paradise as we talked [TS]

00:54:46   about ah and so this is the last one [TS]

00:54:50   yeah so finally here's a big piece of [TS]

00:54:51   follow-up the best kind of fob which is [TS]

00:54:54   anonymous follow-up gotta love the [TS]

00:54:55   anonymous follow-up so anonymous rights [TS]

00:54:59   oh that Intel just doubled the size of [TS]

00:55:02   its brand-new d1x fav in Oregon so its [TS]

00:55:05   link in the show notes and you and some [TS]

00:55:07   Oregon local website talking about this [TS]

00:55:10   an anonymous says that he's heard that [TS]

00:55:12   other fab locations including fab 42 and [TS]

00:55:15   Chandler are expected to have big [TS]

00:55:16   expansions and by the way both d1x and [TS]

00:55:20   fab 42 I love these names it sounds like [TS]

00:55:21   they're like code names of bases in a [TS]

00:55:23   video game head the real things both d1x [TS]

00:55:26   and fab 42 or 14 nanometer so [TS]

00:55:28   so this is how the game works in [TS]

00:55:30   interworld we talked about how their 22 [TS]

00:55:31   nanometer and their fabbing full-size [TS]

00:55:33   complicated CPUs at 22 nanometer other [TS]

00:55:36   people are not like apples ARM chips or [TS]

00:55:38   32 nanometer the way you have to do it [TS]

00:55:41   is while your fabbing things 22 [TS]

00:55:43   nanometer they have to be building and [TS]

00:55:44   repairing the fabs for the next size in [TS]

00:55:46   the next size is 14 nanometer so that's [TS]

00:55:49   how the state generation had if they're [TS]

00:55:50   always a generation ahead and no one can [TS]

00:55:51   no one could skip a generation if the [TS]

00:55:53   people who are currently fabbing at 32 [TS]

00:55:54   nanometers can't immediately jump to 14 [TS]

00:55:56   they're gonna have to jump to 22 and [TS]

00:55:57   Intel will be jumping to 14 so V 1 x + 5 [TS]

00:56:00   42 or 40 nanometers given this info I [TS]

00:56:03   can only guess that Intel is hedging its [TS]

00:56:05   bets a little in the case where the [TS]

00:56:06   market moves too quickly from x86 and [TS]

00:56:08   that it can play a role similar to [TS]

00:56:09   Samsung where fabs for everyone but [TS]

00:56:11   still designs and sells is on core IP so [TS]

00:56:13   this anonymous a person is saying that [TS]

00:56:16   the vast expansions of these fabs at 40 [TS]

00:56:19   nanometers are kind of a hedge against [TS]

00:56:20   like okay well if the market totally [TS]

00:56:23   moves to arm and like nobody buys x86 [TS]

00:56:25   CPUs anymore like everything is tablets [TS]

00:56:26   an arm at the very least Intel will be [TS]

00:56:28   positioned to say okay we have [TS]

00:56:29   tremendous fab capacity 40 nanometers we [TS]

00:56:33   will fab your arm chips for you because [TS]

00:56:35   we know you guys can't vote for 40 [TS]

00:56:36   nanometers you guys are just sorting out [TS]

00:56:38   22 or whatever right so that's a hedge [TS]

00:56:40   there and as anonymous says this is not [TS]

00:56:43   an ideal scenario you give up a lot in [TS]

00:56:44   profit when you're just a fab but it [TS]

00:56:46   would get Intel into the phone market [TS]

00:56:48   pretty quickly and it will continue to [TS]

00:56:50   feed it capital to spend on [TS]

00:56:51   manufacturing rd so Justin with Fabio [TS]

00:56:53   pass a dilaudid would give it enough [TS]

00:56:54   revenue to just continue to stay a [TS]

00:56:56   generation head and process right that's [TS]

00:56:58   not a great future for Intel they just [TS]

00:56:59   become the world's best fab and that's [TS]

00:57:02   it but it's a future I guess and by the [TS]

00:57:06   way Intel does have CPUs and phones a [TS]

00:57:07   lot of people sent me this link to the [TS]

00:57:09   latest motorola razr that has an intel [TS]

00:57:10   cpu which is not terribly embarrassing [TS]

00:57:12   it's fine right but they still got a [TS]

00:57:15   long way to go to catch up in terms of [TS]

00:57:17   sales with the arm stuff and according [TS]

00:57:21   to anonymous there are rumors that Intel [TS]

00:57:23   will be fabbing the a7 we talked about [TS]

00:57:25   this in the last show I didn't even know [TS]

00:57:26   actually rumors but just rumor you were [TS]

00:57:29   discussing this without knowledge of the [TS]

00:57:31   potential that there were rumors you [TS]

00:57:32   were saying would would they do this [TS]

00:57:34   could they do this right and so again [TS]

00:57:36   Apple Intel doesn't really want to be in [TS]

00:57:37   the business of fabbing other people's [TS]

00:57:39   CPU designs and much more profitable [TS]

00:57:40   when you can sell the CPUs yourselves [TS]

00:57:42   like [TS]

00:57:42   the profit margins when they sell their [TS]

00:57:44   own CPUs are huge especially when [TS]

00:57:45   they're you know when they've already [TS]

00:57:46   ramped up and everything in the profit [TS]

00:57:48   margin being someone else's fab are not [TS]

00:57:49   great that's another reason by the way [TS]

00:57:52   why Apple would want to go to arm is [TS]

00:57:53   because they don't have to pay for [TS]

00:57:54   someone else's profit markets like you [TS]

00:57:56   know they'd you give up you know ten [TS]

00:57:58   twenty percent to the person who's [TS]

00:58:00   fabbing the chips instead of giving up [TS]

00:58:01   like eighty percent of the price of an [TS]

00:58:03   intel cpu like it's eighty percent [TS]

00:58:04   profit for Intel to make their CPUs at [TS]

00:58:07   sort of the you know when they're really [TS]

00:58:09   going and cranking these things out does [TS]

00:58:10   not cost that much to make one of these [TS]

00:58:12   it's all upfront costs to make the fab [TS]

00:58:13   and everything but once it gets cranking [TS]

00:58:14   you can especially like on the Xeon [TS]

00:58:16   parts and everything with this huge [TS]

00:58:18   profit margins on those chips whereas if [TS]

00:58:19   you're fabbing in your own design you're [TS]

00:58:21   never gonna give someone who's a fab you [TS]

00:58:23   know eighty percent of your you know [TS]

00:58:24   maybe Intel could charge higher profit [TS]

00:58:26   margins bazooka cycle will see you going [TS]

00:58:27   to go for 14 nanometer fabbing and in [TS]

00:58:29   2013 we're the only game in town right [TS]

00:58:31   sort of know so that's an interesting [TS]

00:58:33   rumor i would i would love to see that [TS]

00:58:35   happen that would just be what a strange [TS]

00:58:37   world we would live in at the a7 comes [TS]

00:58:39   out at Intel is fabbing it at 14 [TS]

00:58:40   nanometer every other phone in the [TS]

00:58:42   market is not fab by Intel and it's a 22 [TS]

00:58:44   nanometer that would be quite a [TS]

00:58:46   competitive advantage for Apple [TS]

00:58:47   anonymous continues so Pat Gelsinger [TS]

00:58:50   when he was still at Intel said there [TS]

00:58:52   was a lot of friction between intel an [TS]

00:58:53   apple when they first started working [TS]

00:58:54   together and a one meeting an apple rep [TS]

00:58:57   told him that in order to keep apples a [TS]

00:58:58   customer Intel needs to just say yes [TS]

00:59:00   meaning they didn't want to hear about [TS]

00:59:01   technical challenges across involved and [TS]

00:59:03   until we just have to do what Apple [TS]

00:59:04   wanted give an apple size and market [TS]

00:59:06   share at the time this is a pretty tough [TS]

00:59:08   pill to swallow like this was back what [TS]

00:59:09   2005 or something when I pull in Intel [TS]

00:59:11   and Apple was not the powerhouse that it [TS]

00:59:14   is now like this pre iPhone you know pre [TS]

00:59:16   there's post ipod but still was like all [TS]

00:59:19   right out but we like you as a prestige [TS]

00:59:20   brand but don't get too cocky and Apple [TS]

00:59:22   just like no you're just got to do that [TS]

00:59:23   who what we say so constant tension from [TS]

00:59:24   from go because Apple wants things a [TS]

00:59:26   certain way and Intel's like all right [TS]

00:59:28   that's right you want you just take the [TS]

00:59:29   CPUs we have they're really awesome [TS]

00:59:30   Apple don't tell us how to do our [TS]

00:59:32   business but Apple had specific demands [TS]

00:59:33   right so continuing from anonymous Intel [TS]

00:59:37   saw the leadership products that Apple [TS]

00:59:39   is building and went with them and the [TS]

00:59:41   point of this is that accommodating a [TS]

00:59:43   demanding customer can actually be [TS]

00:59:46   financially rewarding because to the [TS]

00:59:48   degree that intel has bent to apples [TS]

00:59:50   will they've had successful products and [TS]

00:59:52   a lot of prestige and increased sales [TS]

00:59:53   and stuff [TS]

00:59:54   so anonymous says that there are entire [TS]

00:59:56   CPUs that Intel is currently building an [TS]

00:59:58   apples behest Apple's much [TS]

00:59:58   apples behest Apple's much [TS]

01:00:00   more powerful now obviously an [TS]

01:00:01   intelligent to keep their business that [TS]

01:00:02   they can you'll see one of the market [TS]

01:00:05   next year called crystal well there's [TS]

01:00:06   some links in the show notes about [TS]

01:00:08   crystal well I think crystal ball is [TS]

01:00:09   just the name for the embedded dram in [TS]

01:00:12   the GPU basically the idea that Apple [TS]

01:00:15   said we want way more powerful GPUs so [TS]

01:00:17   it has well the next line of Intel's [TS]

01:00:19   microarchitecture will have much more [TS]

01:00:21   powerful GPUs than the Ivy Bridge ones [TS]

01:00:22   do and also apple has apparently [TS]

01:00:25   specifically demanded they want embedded [TS]

01:00:27   dram on the GPU and the reason they want [TS]

01:00:31   that is because that's kind of the [TS]

01:00:32   equivalent of the memory of the vram [TS]

01:00:34   that's on your video video card and a [TS]

01:00:36   big dedicated card rather than using [TS]

01:00:39   main memory for graphics you want a [TS]

01:00:41   separate bank of memory maybe it's not [TS]

01:00:43   that big in here is going to be like miu [TS]

01:00:45   64 128 megabytes but i'll have huge [TS]

01:00:48   bandwidth because it's right on died [TS]

01:00:49   next to the thing i think they said that [TS]

01:00:50   the bus will be like 512 bits wide a [TS]

01:00:52   five-tool bit memory bus and that's [TS]

01:00:54   stuff like that is not uncommon [TS]

01:00:55   dedicated video card so they always have [TS]

01:00:57   the GPU itself on the vram on the card [TS]

01:00:59   right next to it tremendously wide bus [TS]

01:01:01   between the vram and the GPU well this [TS]

01:01:04   is the shrunken equivalent of that [TS]

01:01:05   you've got your on-die GPU on the same [TS]

01:01:08   guy as the CPU and it's got its own Bank [TS]

01:01:11   of dedicated memory that's physically [TS]

01:01:12   close to it like you know millimeters [TS]

01:01:14   away right and with a huge wide bus that [TS]

01:01:16   you it would be incrementally expensive [TS]

01:01:18   to make an on motherboard 512 bit wide [TS]

01:01:20   bus to ram I don't think anyone does [TS]

01:01:22   that except maybe super computers or [TS]

01:01:23   something so they want a little pool [TS]

01:01:26   really fat Ram because I think they can [TS]

01:01:28   use that to really boost their GPU [TS]

01:01:30   potential so this is something that [TS]

01:01:32   Intel is doing for Apple as well itself [TS]

01:01:34   I should have put these in the show [TS]

01:01:35   notes so it's really good nanotech [TS]

01:01:37   series and has well that I should have [TS]

01:01:39   put in last week's show notes but many [TS]

01:01:40   people were reminded me about and I once [TS]

01:01:42   again forgot to put in this week show us [TS]

01:01:44   to show how Intel is trying to make [TS]

01:01:48   Haswell scale down to lower power [TS]

01:01:50   dissipations like they're trying to [TS]

01:01:51   attack arm from below with like Adam and [TS]

01:01:54   stuff and from above with as well and [TS]

01:01:56   trying to kind of meet in the middle all [TS]

01:01:58   right more from anonymous so lastly talk [TS]

01:02:01   about how the cost of x86 is [TS]

01:02:03   insignificant in big cores but still a [TS]

01:02:05   large part of any potentially smaller [TS]

01:02:06   CPU like this existing Adam he says that [TS]

01:02:10   ignoring l2 cache and [TS]

01:02:12   core which is includes l3 cache [TS]

01:02:14   basically parts that are just cash and [TS]

01:02:15   not part of the core itself the x86 tax [TS]

01:02:18   comes in between three and five percent [TS]

01:02:21   of a coors area and power so like I said [TS]

01:02:25   you know the x86 burden as a number of [TS]

01:02:28   transistors increases percentage-wise [TS]

01:02:30   starts to go down to where it sits still [TS]

01:02:32   there 325 set percent is significant but [TS]

01:02:34   then again if Intel stabbing them at a [TS]

01:02:36   generation ahead of everyone else they [TS]

01:02:37   can quickly erase that and I'm it says [TS]

01:02:40   the reason for this is there are all [TS]

01:02:41   kinds of micro architectural tricks that [TS]

01:02:43   you can play to reuse resources used by [TS]

01:02:45   the modern parts of the instruction set [TS]

01:02:47   with a little microcode slower [TS]

01:02:49   instructions are starting firmware [TS]

01:02:50   thrown in in the front end to handle the [TS]

01:02:53   older parts of the instruction set so I [TS]

01:02:54   mentioned the SSE in the last show [TS]

01:02:57   streaming simdi extensions as the [TS]

01:03:00   expected by doing flowing point i think [TS]

01:03:02   i may go ahead to mention that AVX has [TS]

01:03:04   since not alien vs. about a VX is what [TS]

01:03:07   alien vs predator Oh Avengers vs. x-men [TS]

01:03:10   yes I keep hearing Merlin sing AVX and [TS]

01:03:12   he is remapped it in my head [TS]

01:03:14   congratulations really other AVX is the [TS]

01:03:17   current standard that intel wants [TS]

01:03:19   everyone to the most modern standard [TS]

01:03:20   want intel wants everyone to use for [TS]

01:03:22   vector and floating point instructions [TS]

01:03:24   but the point here is that there aren't [TS]

01:03:26   separate parts of the chip for the x87 [TS]

01:03:28   stack-based floating point as a scene [TS]

01:03:30   AVX they're all handled by the same [TS]

01:03:32   hardware and they just use micro code [TS]

01:03:34   which is like little miniature programs [TS]

01:03:36   yeah little miniature pieces of software [TS]

01:03:38   programs to automate the hardware to do [TS]

01:03:41   the older crappier instruction so they [TS]

01:03:43   don't have to make a separate x87 unit [TS]

01:03:45   in a separate universe SC 1 SC 2 SC 3 [TS]

01:03:47   s.u foreign AVX they make one extremely [TS]

01:03:50   capable piece of hardware that will sort [TS]

01:03:52   of natively implement the instructions [TS]

01:03:53   they wanted to do probably the later [TS]

01:03:55   versions of SSC and a VX and if you give [TS]

01:03:57   it an X 87 instruction it will go to the [TS]

01:03:59   microcode and say ok well I know how to [TS]

01:04:01   do this when it's just like a series of [TS]

01:04:02   this that and the other thing and we'll [TS]

01:04:03   figure it out so they don't have to [TS]

01:04:05   duplicate the hardware but there is some [TS]

01:04:07   cost to supporting those things but by [TS]

01:04:09   by having a single piece of hardware [TS]

01:04:12   support the morale and just have the [TS]

01:04:13   older slower ones supported more crappy [TS]

01:04:15   manner they save on die space he says [TS]

01:04:18   that the cost on the atom which is Intel [TS]

01:04:21   smaller line of x86 compatible CPU the [TS]

01:04:24   cost of x86 compatibility [TS]

01:04:26   significantly higher because the chips [TS]

01:04:27   just have fewer you know transistors and [TS]

01:04:29   they're much smaller chips so he pegs at [TS]

01:04:31   it around thirty percent and maybe if [TS]

01:04:33   you took out some of the the uglier of [TS]

01:04:35   the x86 features you could trim that [TS]

01:04:37   down but that you know that shows the [TS]

01:04:39   contrast from real numbers from someone [TS]

01:04:41   who has the possibility of knowing here [TS]

01:04:43   that the x86 tags three to five percent [TS]

01:04:45   in a big desktop cpu but when you get [TS]

01:04:48   down to small ones it becomes like [TS]

01:04:49   thirty percent and that's a problem but [TS]

01:04:51   he also points out it we just did the [TS]

01:04:53   ability of x86 to have differently sized [TS]

01:04:55   instruction actually ends up being a [TS]

01:04:56   feature in terms of power common [TS]

01:04:58   instructions you're really short which [TS]

01:04:59   compresses the code stream versus risks [TS]

01:05:01   fix fixed with instructions and of [TS]

01:05:04   course there are fewer of those [TS]

01:05:05   instructions it's and he says it's [TS]

01:05:09   possible that Sisk but you know the sis [TS]

01:05:11   construction site design gives Intel [TS]

01:05:12   fifteen percent performance per watt [TS]

01:05:13   advantage at least in terms of feeding [TS]

01:05:15   the front end obviously you give back [TS]

01:05:18   some of that in terms of how much you [TS]

01:05:20   have to do to decode that stuff and [TS]

01:05:22   track it or whatever and it's not really [TS]

01:05:24   clear whether this fifteen percent [TS]

01:05:26   number incorporates is incorporated into [TS]

01:05:29   that three to five percent x86 tax [TS]

01:05:31   calculation like is that tax before [TS]

01:05:33   after the supposedly performance bra [TS]

01:05:34   benefit but anyway this is why the [TS]

01:05:36   details matter because when you get down [TS]

01:05:38   to the nitty-gritty we're not talking [TS]

01:05:39   about conceptually speaking as risk [TS]

01:05:40   better than Cisco whatever we're talking [TS]

01:05:42   about a particular instruction set with [TS]

01:05:43   a particular characteristics that you [TS]

01:05:45   can measure out so when it comes to [TS]

01:05:48   making mobile CPUs x86 seems like it's a [TS]

01:05:51   big problem but it does have a few [TS]

01:05:53   things that are actually advantages so [TS]

01:05:54   it's kind of like what if Intel made a [TS]

01:05:56   mobile x86 chip that didn't support a [TS]

01:05:59   whole bunch of the legacy x86 cruft that [TS]

01:06:01   no compiler should be emitting anyway [TS]

01:06:03   and but but was still assist [TS]

01:06:05   Construction Set and got that you know [TS]

01:06:07   performance per watt advantage of having [TS]

01:06:08   a very small instruction stream not [TS]

01:06:10   having to fetch that much rememory and [TS]

01:06:11   all that it's fascinating idea of having [TS]

01:06:13   a tiny not really x86 but almost exit [TS]

01:06:17   like like a modern x86 cpu that isn't [TS]

01:06:20   completely backward compatible with like [TS]

01:06:21   das from my 85 but does run all modern [TS]

01:06:25   copilot Intel programs and is actually [TS]

01:06:27   has performance advantages over [TS]

01:06:29   something like arm I'm that may be going [TS]

01:06:32   too far because arm has many other arm [TS]

01:06:34   has like no legacy craft and it's [TS]

01:06:35   totally designed for low power will say [TS]

01:06:37   and he adds that segment [TS]

01:06:39   memories actually the worst part of the [TS]

01:06:43   x86 burden if you had to pick one thing [TS]

01:06:45   to ditch should be segmented memory [TS]

01:06:47   segmented memories where instead of [TS]

01:06:48   having memory addresses just be the [TS]

01:06:49   address you'd say all have will set the [TS]

01:06:51   segment to this and then we'll have a [TS]

01:06:52   tiny off step within that segment and if [TS]

01:06:54   we want to access something in a [TS]

01:06:56   different segment we set the segment [TS]

01:06:57   offset to something different and then [TS]

01:06:59   we use the other small numbers so like [TS]

01:07:00   that the memory I just be relative to it [TS]

01:07:02   to the segment number and that that just [TS]

01:07:04   complicates CPU stuff and it was made [TS]

01:07:06   for an age when memory is more [TS]

01:07:08   constrained and it's very gross so if we [TS]

01:07:11   if we get rid of what the worst thing [TS]

01:07:13   about x86 burden is just get rid of [TS]

01:07:14   segmented memory support which nobody [TS]

01:07:16   uses these days and it's I don't see [TS]

01:07:18   nobody cuz some person is going to say [TS]

01:07:19   that some super computing thing still [TS]

01:07:20   use is it but it could go away when [TS]

01:07:23   there wouldn't be a big problem a final [TS]

01:07:26   point from anonymous Intel's lead in [TS]

01:07:28   process you know that the size they can [TS]

01:07:30   fab things that is currently only for [TS]

01:07:32   client CPUs that means you know like [TS]

01:07:34   traditional CPUs that are in your max [TS]

01:07:35   and stuff there is a separate low-power [TS]

01:07:37   manufacturing process for systems on a [TS]

01:07:39   chip that's what Apple uses they're not [TS]

01:07:41   using a little arm CPUs they use what [TS]

01:07:42   they call system on a chip where it's [TS]

01:07:44   one chip where one corner of the chip [TS]

01:07:46   there's the little arm CPU and then [TS]

01:07:48   there's GPU cores over there and those [TS]

01:07:50   interfaces for like you know I don't [TS]

01:07:53   know if they have they don't have the [TS]

01:07:54   cellular stuff on there yeah but they [TS]

01:07:55   have you know all the peripheral [TS]

01:07:56   interfaces whatever they can as much [TS]

01:07:58   stuff as they can show onto a single [TS]

01:07:59   chip they do that's why they call it an [TS]

01:08:00   entire system on chip io interfaces that [TS]

01:08:02   you know everything all on one chip [TS]

01:08:05   because if you can get everything in [TS]

01:08:07   your entire phone or your entire [TS]

01:08:08   whatever your entire game console [TS]

01:08:09   whatever onto one chip it becomes much [TS]

01:08:11   cheaper lower power you know it's much [TS]

01:08:13   better to have a system-on-a-chip than [TS]

01:08:15   to have a separate cpu and then a [TS]

01:08:16   separate GPU chip and you know all [TS]

01:08:18   separate little black squares with [TS]

01:08:20   little metal contacts on that is [TS]

01:08:21   terrible in terms of size power [TS]

01:08:24   everything you want it to be all [TS]

01:08:25   combined so Intel's process lead where [TS]

01:08:27   keep saying Intel's ahead and process [TS]

01:08:28   technology their head formate their [TS]

01:08:31   client CPUs they do make system-on-chip [TS]

01:08:33   stuff but they're they're currently [TS]

01:08:34   lagging on process mostly because [TS]

01:08:38   Intel's not prioritizing those and I'm [TS]

01:08:40   sure they're probably shifting her [TS]

01:08:41   priorities at this point okay we can't [TS]

01:08:43   just give the system on chip guys the [TS]

01:08:45   crappy process now so that's that's [TS]

01:08:47   something to watch someone [TS]

01:08:51   chairman put an article from 2011 about [TS]

01:08:54   Intel fabbing arm for Apple maybe I'll [TS]

01:08:55   put that in the show notes put that in [TS]

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01:09:53   these days I'm doing everything with [TS]

01:09:54   hover when I registered the domain there [TS]

01:09:56   I keep the DNS there as well because [TS]

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01:10:18   speaking of paying for things you can [TS]

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01:10:44   check them out let me guess where i got [TS]

01:10:47   my hypercritical that CEO from yeah yeah [TS]

01:10:52   what's it this Theo done what's at that [TS]

01:10:55   site done right now yeah you did it's [TS]

01:10:57   registered in and you're using their [TS]

01:10:59   name servers to yep enes 100 calm there [TS]

01:11:03   you go and you've got the privacy [TS]

01:11:05   which is free yep so I wanted I think I [TS]

01:11:09   didn't use the code though I'm the worst [TS]

01:11:11   about this to know why did I use the [TS]

01:11:13   codes you gotta use it man it's like if [TS]

01:11:15   I wanted to email you you're the only [TS]

01:11:18   thing I see is hypercritical dad CEO at [TS]

01:11:20   contact privacy calm so I'm assuming if [TS]

01:11:23   I use that then it will be filtered out [TS]

01:11:25   and you won't no one will ever know it's [TS]

01:11:27   really you behind there yeah oh the ship [TS]

01:11:30   was really sailed on me getting spam [TS]

01:11:31   domain address so public to the world [TS]

01:11:34   practically you're a spam free now all [TS]

01:11:38   right free come so that was probably the [TS]

01:11:42   last bit of follow-up on Apple versus [TS]

01:11:44   arm stuff I might the Haswell stuff is [TS]

01:11:49   interesting I don't have it in my notes [TS]

01:11:50   here but i'll see if i can freeform some [TS]

01:11:53   stuff on it so haswell's Intel's next [TS]

01:11:57   microarchitecture after Ivy Bridge the [TS]

01:12:01   change to the CPU are not that radical [TS]

01:12:03   they're they're adding a couple more you [TS]

01:12:05   know they're making the machine a little [TS]

01:12:08   bit wider a couple more parts of the [TS]

01:12:10   chip to execute instructions they can do [TS]

01:12:12   more things in parallel so certain parts [TS]

01:12:13   that ships aren't tied up with one [TS]

01:12:14   thread another thread can be going over [TS]

01:12:16   there so they're making a little bit [TS]

01:12:17   wider that's what they call it when you [TS]

01:12:18   add the ability to do stuff you add [TS]

01:12:20   another integer units you can do you [TS]

01:12:23   know one more extra integer calculation [TS]

01:12:25   at the same time suturing other ones or [TS]

01:12:27   you know add another branch in or [TS]

01:12:28   another phone so they're making a little [TS]

01:12:29   tiny bit wider of course so probably you [TS]

01:12:35   know fixing any small issues they might [TS]

01:12:38   have had in performance I think they're [TS]

01:12:40   adding more cash and stuff like that and [TS]

01:12:41   then of course they're adding that the [TS]

01:12:42   much bigger GPUs but it's not a radical [TS]

01:12:46   or REO architecture you're not in a [TS]

01:12:48   doubling performance or anything getting [TS]

01:12:49   you know percentage-wise a little bit [TS]

01:12:51   better you probably are doubling [TS]

01:12:52   performance to the GPU because GPUs of [TS]

01:12:54   the type of thing where if you just [TS]

01:12:54   double the number of execution engines [TS]

01:12:56   you have you can double performance [TS]

01:12:58   because graphics is as they say [TS]

01:13:00   embarrassingly parallel where you just [TS]

01:13:03   have this huge gigantic field of pixels [TS]

01:13:05   they all need to be processed order is [TS]

01:13:07   usually not important so you can just if [TS]

01:13:09   you have more execution units you can [TS]

01:13:11   take bigger chunks of pixels and feed [TS]

01:13:12   them all at the same time so they're [TS]

01:13:13   making the GPU much bigger much wider [TS]

01:13:15   and also much more powerful and there's [TS]

01:13:17   the crystal well thing will have [TS]

01:13:18   embedded ram next to the thing so that [TS]

01:13:20   will really help it grind through [TS]

01:13:22   processing much faster but the other [TS]

01:13:25   thing they're doing with Haswell is [TS]

01:13:26   Intel is trying to flex its muscles more [TS]

01:13:29   in terms of the system integrators and [TS]

01:13:31   say we are going to pick the other [TS]

01:13:33   components or dictate to you the other [TS]

01:13:35   components that you're allowed to use in [TS]

01:13:37   your computers that use Haswell so we're [TS]

01:13:41   going to do everything from like you [TS]

01:13:42   know voltage regulators and these little [TS]

01:13:44   turdy little chips that are on the [TS]

01:13:45   motherboard that aren't that important [TS]

01:13:46   you know I o chips everything and say [TS]

01:13:48   all right you can only use this set of [TS]

01:13:52   chips because we've tested these and we [TS]

01:13:54   work with these manufacturers to make [TS]

01:13:56   sure these things are low powers lots of [TS]

01:13:57   stories about some little dinky [TS]

01:13:59   unimportant ship somewhere on another [TS]

01:14:01   board and you'll be able to get like a [TS]

01:14:03   ninety percent power savings from that [TS]

01:14:05   ship if you just change the way it's [TS]

01:14:06   programmed in a little bit and like [TS]

01:14:07   those guys didn't care they're like you [TS]

01:14:09   know those guys didn't care about total [TS]

01:14:11   power consumption like our chip works [TS]

01:14:12   fine it's reliable what it takes so it's [TS]

01:14:15   such a small amount it's only a you know [TS]

01:14:16   a couple of million something who cares [TS]

01:14:18   how much power our little dinky io chip [TS]

01:14:22   or clock thing or voltage regulator [TS]

01:14:24   takes but that stuff adds up uh and [TS]

01:14:26   especially in the system where you want [TS]

01:14:29   like to be able to sort of quiet the [TS]

01:14:30   entire system is everybody quiet [TS]

01:14:32   everybody stopped going to low power [TS]

01:14:33   mode and be able to wake up quickly and [TS]

01:14:35   everything like that and even in just a [TS]

01:14:36   regular state you know really sip as [TS]

01:14:38   little power as you can so Intel wants [TS]

01:14:41   an entire system design and so they're [TS]

01:14:43   not saying you can just take this as [TS]

01:14:44   well cpus and just throw them onto any [TS]

01:14:47   mother bored with the same old chips [TS]

01:14:48   because it'll make our CPUs look bad [TS]

01:14:49   because like oh those has no machines [TS]

01:14:52   those really suck memory you know if you [TS]

01:14:54   use the parts that Intel approves for [TS]

01:14:57   use with its CPUs and its chipsets you [TS]

01:15:01   will in theory get a system that uses [TS]

01:15:02   far far less power than an ivory bridge [TS]

01:15:04   system I keep forgetting weather as well [TS]

01:15:08   is the tick or the talk or whatever but [TS]

01:15:10   the Intel does this thing I think we [TS]

01:15:11   talked about before where they do an [TS]

01:15:12   entirely new processor architecture on [TS]

01:15:15   the same process node is their previous [TS]

01:15:18   architecture and then they shrink it for [TS]

01:15:20   the next one so it's like it's got to be [TS]

01:15:21   high forgot about anyways i do bridge a [TS]

01:15:24   22 nanometer and has about 20 nanometer [TS]

01:15:27   and then they're going to shrink as well [TS]

01:15:29   for the next one and there [TS]

01:15:30   nooner architecture after that but the [TS]

01:15:34   focus of as well so you really want to [TS]

01:15:36   make one cpu that can really scale down [TS]

01:15:39   that you can use has well yes and a [TS]

01:15:41   macbook pro you can use has bol in the [TS]

01:15:43   macbook air could you use has on a [TS]

01:15:45   tablet hmm probably not but maybe the [TS]

01:15:47   one after that you could use in a tablet [TS]

01:15:49   and they're doing everything they can to [TS]

01:15:50   just reduce the power another really [TS]

01:15:53   neat thing they're doing is uh I figured [TS]

01:15:55   what they call this thing and remember [TS]

01:15:56   the correct acronym but when something [TS]

01:15:59   is on your computer screen on your Mac [TS]

01:16:00   or whatever and the picture isn't [TS]

01:16:02   changing like say you're just looking at [TS]

01:16:04   a single static picture in full screen [TS]

01:16:05   your computer still has to send new [TS]

01:16:08   version of that picture 60 times a [TS]

01:16:09   second to your LCD and even though the [TS]

01:16:11   picture hasn't changed it doesn't take a [TS]

01:16:13   lot of power to do that but it does take [TS]

01:16:15   some power you can't shut off the GPU [TS]

01:16:17   part of your system because the picture [TS]

01:16:19   would go away well and as well and in [TS]

01:16:22   the associate chip size and everything [TS]

01:16:23   they want support for something that [TS]

01:16:24   lets it stop sending that signal and [TS]

01:16:28   just tell the LCD all right I'm only [TS]

01:16:30   going to send you information if the [TS]

01:16:31   picture changes if you don't hear [TS]

01:16:32   anything from me just keep showing the [TS]

01:16:33   picture showing a little demo they did [TS]

01:16:35   for that thing was like they'd had an [TS]

01:16:36   LCD hooked up to a Haswell system that [TS]

01:16:38   was showing you know just just a plain [TS]

01:16:39   old picture and they unplug the video [TS]

01:16:41   cable and the picture doesn't go away it [TS]

01:16:43   just stays there because i think they [TS]

01:16:44   call it self refresh or something or [TS]

01:16:46   whatever the LCD itself has a smarts to [TS]

01:16:48   know if i don't hear anything that just [TS]

01:16:49   means keep displaying like eating and [TS]

01:16:51   i'm the same thing and that means that [TS]

01:16:53   the CPU can turn off it like not turn [TS]

01:16:57   off the like the GPU can can turn off [TS]

01:16:59   that part of the system it doesn't have [TS]

01:17:00   to always be awake sending the same [TS]

01:17:01   picture and over and over again and [TS]

01:17:03   that's one of the other advances of [TS]

01:17:05   Hezbollah's that all these things want [TS]

01:17:07   some way to like wake up from a sleeping [TS]

01:17:08   state and go back to sleep and wake up [TS]

01:17:10   from asleep a slate and go back to sleep [TS]

01:17:11   that sounds crazy from a human [TS]

01:17:13   perspective he's like oh I must tell you [TS]

01:17:15   know I'm gonna keep awaking up and going [TS]

01:17:17   back to sleep but CPU is doing this all [TS]

01:17:18   the time and they're really cranking it [TS]

01:17:19   up and as well to say okay we can wake [TS]

01:17:22   up part of the system like two [TS]

01:17:23   milliseconds which is still an eternity [TS]

01:17:25   from a cpu perspective but no humans [TS]

01:17:26   going to notice two milliseconds lag of [TS]

01:17:28   waking up the system like when you walk [TS]

01:17:30   over to a computer and you shake the [TS]

01:17:31   mouse you're not going to give us it [TS]

01:17:32   actually that Mouse didn't start moving [TS]

01:17:35   to the milliseconds after it should have [TS]

01:17:36   you will never notice that but it means [TS]

01:17:38   that the entire computer can be sleep [TS]

01:17:40   sleep sleep wake up to do sub sleep [TS]

01:17:41   sleep sleep sleep wake up to do stuff [TS]

01:17:42   sleep sleep and that really saves on [TS]

01:17:44   power [TS]

01:17:44   and so they're doing all the same tricks [TS]

01:17:46   that like you know mobile steep use and [TS]

01:17:48   stuff I've been doing forever they're [TS]

01:17:49   trying to do it in their desktop systems [TS]

01:17:51   and it's an uphill battle for them [TS]

01:17:53   because LCD makers don't want to put [TS]

01:17:55   extra smarts in tub inside the panels [TS]

01:17:58   that hurts their profit margins like oh [TS]

01:17:59   jeez that means they make my next [TS]

01:18:00   generation of LCD panels are going to [TS]

01:18:03   charge more money for because I gotta [TS]

01:18:04   probably circuitry in there to handle [TS]

01:18:06   your stupid self-refresh thing but Intel [TS]

01:18:08   wants that because they want total [TS]

01:18:10   system power of PC caliber systems to go [TS]

01:18:13   down hopefully going down not so much [TS]

01:18:15   with Hezbollah maybe with the next one [TS]

01:18:17   at 40 nanometers like that if you start [TS]

01:18:19   creeping into the same territory that's [TS]

01:18:21   currently staked out not by a phone but [TS]

01:18:23   the very least but like you know what's [TS]

01:18:24   the current power envelope for or I [TS]

01:18:26   should pick the ipad 3 because probably [TS]

01:18:28   the biggest hottest ipad apples ever [TS]

01:18:29   made sure that power envelope is within [TS]

01:18:32   striking distance of intel's next next [TS]

01:18:35   generation is it really cpu yeah like [TS]

01:18:39   not as well probably but the one after [TS]

01:18:41   that mmm that that in theory if we could [TS]

01:18:44   fast if we go forward to the future and [TS]

01:18:45   go to Intel generations head and bring [TS]

01:18:47   that chip back you could put that in an [TS]

01:18:49   ipad 3 like that's the kind of power [TS]

01:18:50   envelope it could fit with it and it [TS]

01:18:52   would be you know incredibly powerful it [TS]

01:18:55   would it would be much faster than the [TS]

01:18:56   ipad free pop probably of course we [TS]

01:18:58   don't have a time machine we don't have [TS]

01:19:00   any you know 10 nanometer next next [TS]

01:19:03   generation intel chips but that's I [TS]

01:19:05   think where they're going it's like a [TS]

01:19:06   race between Ken Intel get it stuff down [TS]

01:19:08   to the power envelope of if not phones [TS]

01:19:11   then of these tablets before arm comes [TS]

01:19:15   and swarms all over them like a zerg [TS]

01:19:16   rush this little starcraft technology [TS]

01:19:19   for you that and and as our various [TS]

01:19:24   anonymous follow people said they're [TS]

01:19:27   hedging their bets angle if they can't [TS]

01:19:28   get there if x86 gets wiped off the map [TS]

01:19:30   by arm at the very least they should [TS]

01:19:32   have the fab capacity to become like the [TS]

01:19:34   world's best fab and maybe be able to [TS]

01:19:36   charge a premium of that but that would [TS]

01:19:37   be very sad for intel so this is [TS]

01:19:40   actually a very exciting party industry [TS]

01:19:41   to watch until vs arm wrestle versus [TS]

01:19:46   mobile keep an eye on that one to watch [TS]

01:19:51   should we do our final brief sponsor [TS]

01:19:55   sure [TS]

01:19:56   our friends over rackspace of this new [TS]

01:19:58   thing called mail gun I don't know if [TS]

01:20:01   there's I mean there's a REST API for [TS]

01:20:02   this so you could use it with your pearl [TS]

01:20:04   stuff but mail gun it's an email [TS]

01:20:06   automation engine already 10,000 [TS]

01:20:08   developers are using this thing what [TS]

01:20:09   does it do that lets them deliver parson [TS]

01:20:11   track emails through their applications [TS]

01:20:13   turns actual email as John would say [TS]

01:20:15   company most companies out there they [TS]

01:20:17   just focus on the delivering part but [TS]

01:20:19   mail gun is different they do have this [TS]

01:20:20   rest api so what that means is you can [TS]

01:20:23   fully automate outgoing and incoming [TS]

01:20:24   emails you can get tons of analytics [TS]

01:20:26   they don't just deliver the mail they [TS]

01:20:28   help you automate the entire application [TS]

01:20:30   and the email sending process within it [TS]

01:20:32   the nice folks over there have even made [TS]

01:20:34   a special offer just four or five by [TS]

01:20:36   five hypercritical listeners mail gun [TS]

01:20:38   calm is where you go and the coupon five [TS]

01:20:40   by five will give you ten percent off [TS]

01:20:42   for your first three months so John if [TS]

01:20:46   you are building an application you're [TS]

01:20:48   sick of fighting with email just try [TS]

01:20:49   mail gun today Mel gun comm check them [TS]

01:20:52   out that's it someone just put in a good [TS]

01:20:58   now this is going to help me remember I [TS]

01:21:00   think we went through this other shows [TS]

01:21:02   but put in a good link to the tick-tock [TS]

01:21:04   strategy to remind me of which which one [TS]

01:21:07   is called the tickets it's because it's [TS]

01:21:08   reverse and people so why don't you just [TS]

01:21:09   remember that it's reverse of the way [TS]

01:21:10   you think it is but then I confuse [TS]

01:21:12   myself anyway the tick is when they do a [TS]

01:21:16   shrink and the talk is when they have [TS]

01:21:17   the new architecture and I think that's [TS]

01:21:19   totally wrong it should be the tick is [TS]

01:21:21   like tick and then talk and then tick [TS]

01:21:24   should be the one where they have the [TS]

01:21:25   new architecture but it's not tick as [TS]

01:21:26   the shrink and talk as the other one so [TS]

01:21:28   what are we on now so the talk is going [TS]

01:21:34   to be Haswell 22 nanometers because tick [TS]

01:21:36   was the shrink of sandy bridge down to [TS]

01:21:38   ivory bridge and then the talk is the [TS]

01:21:40   same process i desire bridge the new [TS]

01:21:42   architecture and then the tick will be [TS]

01:21:44   has well at 40 nanometers and the talk [TS]

01:21:45   will be you know so i put this link in [TS]

01:21:47   the show notes shows the tick on the [TS]

01:21:49   talk with the words and the process [TS]

01:21:50   sizes and you can look at it and [TS]

01:21:52   continue to be confused like I am do [TS]

01:21:57   have one more thing for this thing but [TS]

01:21:59   don't know if we should save it you you [TS]

01:22:00   want to end early today and I know and [TS]

01:22:01   I'm in super early i mean you know [TS]

01:22:03   that's a late the last thing that I want [TS]

01:22:04   now is in the last five or six shows [TS]

01:22:06   that you know we end early in [TS]

01:22:08   then you know so let's keep going well I [TS]

01:22:11   do think I'm running out of things here [TS]

01:22:13   you know so this is this is what we're [TS]

01:22:14   gonna have a Q&A show the Q&A show was [TS]

01:22:15   always like oh you must be running out [TS]

01:22:16   of things talk about because we well yes [TS]

01:22:18   i am i as i said at the camp at shows [TS]

01:22:20   every week i think i've got nothing this [TS]

01:22:22   week like in the past for the past [TS]

01:22:24   several months that I think there's [TS]

01:22:25   nothing I could possibly talk about and [TS]

01:22:26   I really am running low on ideas [TS]

01:22:28   especially now it's like the holidays [TS]

01:22:29   and not not that much exciting stuff is [TS]

01:22:31   happening I mean for crying out loud we [TS]

01:22:32   just talked about a bride a sale I don't [TS]

01:22:35   think that's uh I mean it's a good deal [TS]

01:22:37   for people but still alright so I'll [TS]

01:22:40   throw this in and then no ha then I will [TS]

01:22:42   once again be back 20 things to talk [TS]

01:22:43   about next week you Dan this is what [TS]

01:22:45   assignment for you one of the days I [TS]

01:22:46   might come in and say I've got nothing [TS]

01:22:47   to talk about it will just be totally up [TS]

01:22:49   to you to decide what which I would love [TS]

01:22:51   that i have so many i have a long list [TS]

01:22:53   of things that i would love to talk to [TS]

01:22:55   you about so you just do it you have a [TS]

01:22:57   long list of things that you would love [TS]

01:22:58   for me to talk about but the problem is [TS]

01:23:00   that you may throw out what is actually [TS]

01:23:02   really good interesting a meeting topic [TS]

01:23:04   and i'll just have nothing to say on I [TS]

01:23:05   don't be like I don't even say about [TS]

01:23:07   that and then you got to pick your next [TS]

01:23:08   good topic like there may be great [TS]

01:23:10   topics but the question is can I say [TS]

01:23:11   think about them uh-uh all right I think [TS]

01:23:14   we should take that chance you tell me [TS]

01:23:15   you will well I will you give me any [TS]

01:23:17   notice or no of course not every notice [TS]

01:23:19   like you've given me as much notice as I [TS]

01:23:22   feel I need at this point you just you [TS]

01:23:23   gotta be ready all the time all right [TS]

01:23:25   I'll be ready the final thing I want to [TS]

01:23:27   talk about a lot of people asked me to [TS]

01:23:28   talk about the wii u and we did talk [TS]

01:23:30   about that on a past show which i could [TS]

01:23:31   never remember because i'm terrible at [TS]

01:23:33   remembering what shall we talk about [TS]

01:23:34   things on but i mean i felt like we [TS]

01:23:37   covered everything there was to cover [TS]

01:23:40   about the wii u before i had one and i'm [TS]

01:23:43   not i don't have one yet i'm planning to [TS]

01:23:45   get one but probably not for the [TS]

01:23:47   holidays like I'm assuming I just won't [TS]

01:23:48   even be able to to find one in the [TS]

01:23:52   stores so I'll probably wait to new year [TS]

01:23:54   to get one I will be getting one but if [TS]

01:23:56   I probably won't have fun during the [TS]

01:23:58   time the show is still going on but [TS]

01:23:59   other people have we used these days and [TS]

01:24:03   in particularly iFixit guys had one and [TS]

01:24:06   they did a teardown as they always do [TS]

01:24:07   link is in the show notes where they [TS]

01:24:09   take apart the hardware and look at [TS]

01:24:10   what's inside of an Intel kind of like [TS]

01:24:13   Apple has been in the past several years [TS]

01:24:16   infuriating about not wanting to talk in [TS]

01:24:20   detail about what's inside it it's kind [TS]

01:24:21   of [TS]

01:24:21   like rolls-royce engines for many many [TS]

01:24:24   years a role rolls-royce car company [TS]

01:24:27   unlike every other car company in the [TS]

01:24:29   world it would list the specifications [TS]

01:24:31   of the car like though the new Corvette [TS]

01:24:32   it the engine has this much horsepower [TS]

01:24:34   and this much torque at this much RPM [TS]

01:24:35   you know like and rolls-royce would say [TS]

01:24:38   horsepower colon adequate that's what [TS]

01:24:41   they put on their on their data sheets [TS]

01:24:43   because it's unseemly to talk about [TS]

01:24:44   horse by the the hodgepodge this car is [TS]

01:24:46   adequate it's mostly because their cars [TS]

01:24:47   didn't really have that much horsepower [TS]

01:24:48   they're mostly a giant torque monsters [TS]

01:24:51   but anyway rolls-royce hasn't stopped [TS]

01:24:52   doing that but Apple and in Nintendo [TS]

01:24:55   both continue to be like you don't need [TS]

01:24:58   to know what's inside our thing it's an [TS]

01:24:59   asic CPU don't ask any more questions [TS]

01:25:01   what kind of core no no no how much RAM [TS]

01:25:04   we don't need to enlist that on a dumb [TS]

01:25:05   this is unseemly to talk about how much [TS]

01:25:06   RAM might possibly be in our device then [TS]

01:25:08   of course you can get the device and [TS]

01:25:09   find out so the wii u the internals [TS]

01:25:13   aren't that impressive but the nintendo [TS]

01:25:15   doesn't want to talk about them look [TS]

01:25:16   we'll just talk about them in a vague [TS]

01:25:17   term so it's up to i fix it to rip these [TS]

01:25:19   things apart and to find out what's in [TS]

01:25:21   there and what the deal is so people [TS]

01:25:23   haven't seen the wii u it looks kind of [TS]

01:25:25   like the wii but it's like bigger [TS]

01:25:27   slightly bigger or longer and has [TS]

01:25:29   rounded edges but it's very similar it [TS]

01:25:30   looks like a cd-rom drive from nineteen [TS]

01:25:32   ninety one for your Mac without the [TS]

01:25:34   caddy it's just a big long optical drive [TS]

01:25:37   thing I sort of looks like anyway so [TS]

01:25:38   they rip the thing apart and here are a [TS]

01:25:39   couple of notable things about it so [TS]

01:25:43   inside there there is larger fan [TS]

01:25:45   heatsink then there wasn't the wii that [TS]

01:25:47   makes some sense and that's because [TS]

01:25:50   according to intend to itself they have [TS]

01:25:51   tripled the heat output from the we that [TS]

01:25:54   we you has three times as much heat if [TS]

01:25:56   there's a link i think i put this in the [TS]

01:25:58   show notes to something where app [TS]

01:26:01   nintendo actually has been doing [TS]

01:26:02   something that apple would never do [TS]

01:26:03   having these things where they post [TS]

01:26:06   themselves sort of interviews with [TS]

01:26:08   themselves so the CEO of the company [TS]

01:26:09   will sit down and have sort of a if it's [TS]

01:26:12   a mocking curio but it's kind of like a [TS]

01:26:13   prepared type of thing where the CEO of [TS]

01:26:16   the company is talking to the engineers [TS]

01:26:18   in the company and interviewing them [TS]

01:26:19   quote unquote where it seems like it's [TS]

01:26:20   kind of all prepared but anyway they [TS]

01:26:22   will reveal some technical information [TS]

01:26:23   in those things if much more so than a [TS]

01:26:27   blow it would be as if Tim Cook did like [TS]

01:26:29   a mock interview with Johnny I've about [TS]

01:26:32   the design of our with built of Bill [TS]

01:26:34   Mansfield Bob [TS]

01:26:35   ance field about the internals and asked [TS]

01:26:38   he would ask the questions that other [TS]

01:26:39   people want to ask and you know get the [TS]

01:26:41   answers from so Apple isn't doing like [TS]

01:26:42   that but in tender does and then that [TS]

01:26:43   thing they talked about how they had to [TS]

01:26:45   alter their design to handle the heat [TS]

01:26:47   and blah blah blah I mean it's nothing [TS]

01:26:48   earth-shattering because like you know [TS]

01:26:49   so what every single the console maker [TS]

01:26:51   has been dealing with as much output for [TS]

01:26:52   like a generation or two already just [TS]

01:26:53   asked just as Microsoft about dealing [TS]

01:26:56   with heat inside their game consoles and [TS]

01:26:57   how that went with the 360 we know it's [TS]

01:27:00   a hard problem but the wii was so wimpy [TS]

01:27:02   it wasn't even high-def that the cooling [TS]

01:27:04   solution that was very wimpy so the wii [TS]

01:27:06   u has a more modern looking cooling [TS]

01:27:09   solution i hope it's not too loud i [TS]

01:27:10   guess people have them already i haven't [TS]

01:27:12   heard anyone complain so i think it'll [TS]

01:27:16   be okay yeah they've got our radeon CP [TS]

01:27:18   GPU in there no surprise there and [TS]

01:27:21   they're their processor is I be empower [TS]

01:27:24   based processor if you're wondering [TS]

01:27:26   where the PowerPC went it's still inside [TS]

01:27:27   all your game consoles the xbox 360 is [TS]

01:27:30   PowerPC they use the mac power mac g5 is [TS]

01:27:33   there one of their dev devices when [TS]

01:27:35   developing that machine the wii is [TS]

01:27:37   PowerPC the Gamecube was PowerPC the wii [TS]

01:27:41   u is power pc and even the playstation 3 [TS]

01:27:44   in addition to the crazy sell stuff they [TS]

01:27:45   have going on there has little [TS]

01:27:46   powerpc-based quartz the power [TS]

01:27:48   instruction set the PowerPC uses so no [TS]

01:27:52   surprise a TI plus yeah now AMD but a TI [TS]

01:27:56   plus IBM has been the solution for the [TS]

01:28:01   past three generations and Tendo [TS]

01:28:03   consoles the the current generation of [TS]

01:28:06   Xbox console and the current generation [TS]

01:28:09   of well known and PlayStation 3 has [TS]

01:28:11   nvidia graphics but anyway that's where [TS]

01:28:13   these guys if you want to look where the [TS]

01:28:15   PowerPC cpu is went that's where they [TS]

01:28:16   are still hiding the really interesting [TS]

01:28:20   thing for me about this teardown is when [TS]

01:28:23   they started tearing apart the gamepad [TS]

01:28:25   controller the Wii U gamepad controller [TS]

01:28:27   is the big controller looks like you're [TS]

01:28:28   holding like a lunch tray and in the [TS]

01:28:30   middle of it is a pretty big screen on [TS]

01:28:32   the edges are liking of the buttons and [TS]

01:28:34   the thumbstick controllers uh-huh they [TS]

01:28:36   crack that thing open and not the inside [TS]

01:28:37   inside but just the battery door I put a [TS]

01:28:39   link to this in the show notes when you [TS]

01:28:42   open the battery door on the bag of this [TS]

01:28:43   thing you find a rechargeable battery in [TS]

01:28:45   there it's 3.7 volt 1500 malaya power [TS]

01:28:49   rechargeable battery that's good for [TS]

01:28:51   three to five hours of gameplay that's [TS]

01:28:53   why they give you a rechargeable one [TS]

01:28:54   because you know if you after play [TS]

01:28:55   session you get recharged it but if you [TS]

01:28:57   look at me let me pull the image myself [TS]

01:28:59   so I can actually look at this Oh Shh [TS]

01:29:03   maybe I didn't put it in the show notes [TS]

01:29:05   oh I always click on the wrong thing [TS]

01:29:10   when I want to see the image do you have [TS]

01:29:14   this image up the battery door yeah the [TS]

01:29:16   one from the show notes yeah did I put [TS]

01:29:18   it in the shots thought you did what am [TS]

01:29:20   I looking I got all your notes up and [TS]

01:29:22   I'm just working through it a lot of [TS]

01:29:26   links for this one yeah when you open up [TS]

01:29:29   the one down there right where it says [TS]

01:29:31   battery compartment I thought I put it [TS]

01:29:34   in it yeah it's it shows the thing [TS]

01:29:36   they're the guys holding it upside down [TS]

01:29:37   he's lifting up the back part of it and [TS]

01:29:40   what are you seeing some that you see [TS]

01:29:41   this big cavernous opening with batter [TS]

01:29:43   should go and inside I any little dinky [TS]

01:29:45   little thing it's like how to taking up [TS]

01:29:46   half the space for the battery is this [TS]

01:29:48   rechargeable battery and that's you [TS]

01:29:51   think that it's for like expansion it's [TS]

01:29:54   something that you could you could you [TS]

01:29:57   know like you could put something larger [TS]

01:29:59   in there another time yeah that that is [TS]

01:30:02   fascinating to me because three to five [TS]

01:30:05   hours of playtime while her battery [TS]

01:30:06   charge is not a lot like a three-hour [TS]

01:30:08   you know play session especially some [TS]

01:30:10   kids sitting there in front of the thing [TS]

01:30:11   like before you have to go recharge the [TS]

01:30:12   thing or plug it in or something that's [TS]

01:30:14   not good it's like Oh bitch I guess they [TS]

01:30:15   couldn't get the gamepad battery life to [TS]

01:30:17   be any better than three to five hours [TS]

01:30:18   but then you open up the back of this [TS]

01:30:19   thing and say wait a second it could [TS]

01:30:21   have made this thing lasts longer [TS]

01:30:22   thinking it's a waste issue battery so [TS]

01:30:25   it's the question is why don't they feel [TS]

01:30:27   that that battery compartment with [TS]

01:30:29   battery one is wait wait base people say [TS]

01:30:32   this thing is lightweight and it feels [TS]

01:30:35   good because it's light that's all well [TS]

01:30:36   and good but I don't think they would [TS]

01:30:37   not make the battery big because they [TS]

01:30:39   were afraid it would be too heavy right [TS]

01:30:40   I think it just happens to be light [TS]

01:30:42   because the battery is small and that's [TS]

01:30:43   good but that wouldn't been there reason [TS]

01:30:45   I have to think it's cost because [TS]

01:30:47   batteries cost money and they need to [TS]

01:30:50   shave they're already selling the wii u [TS]

01:30:52   at a loss which is unprecedented for [TS]

01:30:53   nintendo there we used to sell their [TS]

01:30:55   hardware for a profit from day one [TS]

01:30:57   unlike every other console maker but [TS]

01:30:58   they're selling the wii u I think this [TS]

01:31:00   city there at cost [TS]

01:31:01   loss in the beginning because it's got [TS]

01:31:03   more like it's not just a game console [TS]

01:31:05   it's a game console + like a court sort [TS]

01:31:07   of a little half of a handheld game [TS]

01:31:10   console like it's more complicated than [TS]

01:31:11   other things I'm not just selling a box [TS]

01:31:14   it next to your TV they're selling a box [TS]

01:31:15   that connects to your TV with an optical [TS]

01:31:16   drive plus it's other thing that has its [TS]

01:31:19   own screen on it which costs money and [TS]

01:31:20   all sorts of sensors and a battery and [TS]

01:31:23   stuff like that and they can shave costs [TS]

01:31:25   anywhere maybe they said well one way we [TS]

01:31:28   can shave a couple bucks off is by [TS]

01:31:29   shipping it with a smaller battery and [TS]

01:31:31   then we maybe we can make that up by [TS]

01:31:32   selling the inevitable aftermarket [TS]

01:31:34   batteries that actually fill that entire [TS]

01:31:35   battery compartment and we'll make lots [TS]

01:31:39   of money on the aftermarket batteries [TS]

01:31:40   because we'll sell it for like twenty [TS]

01:31:41   bucks when we saved only five dollars [TS]

01:31:43   we're making the battery smaller and [TS]

01:31:44   that strikes me as chin see but that is [TS]

01:31:46   that's amazing it's like if you bought [TS]

01:31:48   you know a macbook pro five years ago [TS]

01:31:50   you open up the battery bay and so the [TS]

01:31:51   battery Apple ships with takes up half [TS]

01:31:53   of the room that the battery could be in [TS]

01:31:54   Maine you know as as I think Marco seven [TS]

01:31:56   Taleggio or no I maybe was a different [TS]

01:31:58   show that they they Apple puts batteries [TS]

01:32:01   in every square inch of their cases that [TS]

01:32:03   could possibly fit battery is like [TS]

01:32:05   battery is coming up in the edges of the [TS]

01:32:07   thing and here is Nintendo shipping [TS]

01:32:09   something leaving gigantic swathes of [TS]

01:32:12   empty space where there could be battery [TS]

01:32:14   but there isn't nevermind they could [TS]

01:32:15   have made the battery compartment itself [TS]

01:32:16   even bigger so I found that amazing and [TS]

01:32:21   also slightly disappointing i assume i [TS]

01:32:23   would buying an aftermarket battery [TS]

01:32:24   because 30 hours is not a long time [TS]

01:32:26   another thing which we knew already but [TS]

01:32:29   it's interested I'd forgotten about it [TS]

01:32:31   already and seeing it in the I fix a [TS]

01:32:33   teardown I was a good reminder the Wii U [TS]

01:32:36   gamepad controller has NFC Near Field [TS]

01:32:38   Communication right the little sensor [TS]

01:32:40   that's not in the iphone that you know [TS]

01:32:43   other cell phones have and that they use [TS]

01:32:45   reportedly in Japan and other advanced [TS]

01:32:47   civilizations where you going to rub [TS]

01:32:48   your phone against something or wave [TS]

01:32:50   your phone in front of something and pay [TS]

01:32:51   for something it's it's a sensor that [TS]

01:32:53   works in very close proximity is not [TS]

01:32:56   bluetooth it's not Wi-Fi it's like in [TS]

01:32:58   the range of things like Wi-Fi is long [TS]

01:33:00   range you know 3g is the longest range [TS]

01:33:02   or not 3gp you know cellular data is the [TS]

01:33:04   longest range then there's Wi-Fi then [TS]

01:33:05   there's Bluetooth known as NFC and NFC [TS]

01:33:07   is really you know you got to be in [TS]

01:33:08   close proximity and the reason I forgot [TS]

01:33:10   about the fact that the gamepad [TS]

01:33:12   controller has NFC in it is [TS]

01:33:15   nothing uses it nothing no game and the [TS]

01:33:17   launch lineup uses the NFC sensor so the [TS]

01:33:19   gamepad thing has tons of sensors and [TS]

01:33:22   it's got gyroscopes accelerometers [TS]

01:33:23   microphone camera is that Cameron I [TS]

01:33:27   think as a camera you know bluetooth [TS]

01:33:29   Wi-Fi everything in there including NFC [TS]

01:33:33   even though nothing currently supports [TS]

01:33:35   it presumably something will supported I [TS]

01:33:38   mean the obvious thing is a game like [TS]

01:33:39   Skylanders do you know about this yes [TS]

01:33:41   Skylanders is the game that they usually [TS]

01:33:44   have set up in a Toys R Us or Target or [TS]

01:33:46   something where it has like a little [TS]

01:33:47   platform that's connected and they you [TS]

01:33:50   have like a real real life action figure [TS]

01:33:52   but it doesn't entirely moves and then [TS]

01:33:55   you put it on this pad or this little [TS]

01:33:57   thing and that character then enters the [TS]

01:34:00   game and that's I guess you and you are [TS]

01:34:03   then playing the game as this character [TS]

01:34:05   while it stands on the on the panel yeah [TS]

01:34:09   it's a genius marketing strategy if they [TS]

01:34:11   will sell you toys and the toys can [TS]

01:34:13   appear in the game so by buying a [TS]

01:34:15   physical toy and touching that physical [TS]

01:34:18   toy to some sensor are putting in front [TS]

01:34:19   of a camera or doing whatever then [TS]

01:34:21   suddenly that physical toy appears in [TS]

01:34:22   the game so if you want a new guy for [TS]

01:34:24   your game you would say Oh dad you can [TS]

01:34:26   take me to toys r us where I will buy [TS]

01:34:28   the physical toy and I'll bring that [TS]

01:34:32   home and touch it to my game console and [TS]

01:34:34   then the thing instead of just doing a [TS]

01:34:35   digital download they want you to have [TS]

01:34:36   an actual toy component and that game [TS]

01:34:38   was wildly popular and it's a genius [TS]

01:34:40   strategy to extract money from children [TS]

01:34:41   I mean there are card games like this [TS]

01:34:45   too it was once aware that the [TS]

01:34:46   PlayStation camera would pick up the [TS]

01:34:47   what cards you're playing with the [TS]

01:34:48   physical card games is an integration of [TS]

01:34:50   the physical world into the virtual [TS]

01:34:51   world so that's a no brainer for things [TS]

01:34:55   like that not Skylanders specifically [TS]

01:34:57   because they were just you know probably [TS]

01:34:59   continue to add their little Skylander [TS]

01:35:00   sensor-based thing or whatever but [TS]

01:35:01   things like that where there's a [TS]

01:35:03   something in the physical world that you [TS]

01:35:05   touched your gamepad controller or bring [TS]

01:35:07   past it and that makes it appear in the [TS]

01:35:09   virtual world so those are here's once [TS]

01:35:11   again to remind that things in there [TS]

01:35:13   that the gamepad controller has every [TS]

01:35:14   sense of known to man and the [TS]

01:35:15   possibilities of things that you could [TS]

01:35:18   do with that controller are vast the [TS]

01:35:21   other thing about the gamepad teardown [TS]

01:35:23   is that there are no big heat-producing [TS]

01:35:26   chips inside that game pad [TS]

01:35:28   they gave the I fixing gave out like [TS]

01:35:30   part numbers and stuff that I tried to [TS]

01:35:31   Google and all I found more other [TS]

01:35:32   gamepad tear down so I don't know what [TS]

01:35:34   those chips are not gonna read off the [TS]

01:35:36   numbers on them you can look at the [TS]

01:35:37   effects its head on yourself but clearly [TS]

01:35:39   none of them are big heat producers [TS]

01:35:40   there's no giant heatsink and fans and [TS]

01:35:42   stuff like that ah all which is to say [TS]

01:35:45   that this is not like a PlayStation Vita [TS]

01:35:49   or Vita as you say right that's exactly [TS]

01:35:52   what is it's not a half a handheld [TS]

01:35:55   gaming console like the the brains are [TS]

01:35:58   not in the gamepad yes that is the man [TS]

01:36:00   yeah right it's really just a really [TS]

01:36:04   really really fancy controller with a [TS]

01:36:06   screen and a bunch of sensors it's not a [TS]

01:36:07   separate console so the Wii U has a [TS]

01:36:10   feature where you can play the game on [TS]

01:36:12   the gamepad like someone can use the TV [TS]

01:36:14   to look at something else and you just [TS]

01:36:15   look at the gamepad screen you can [TS]

01:36:16   continue to play your game there but [TS]

01:36:18   those games are not running on the [TS]

01:36:20   gamepad they're running on the wii u [TS]

01:36:21   thing that's attached up to your TV [TS]

01:36:23   despite the fact that you're playing [TS]

01:36:24   them on the screen that you're holding [TS]

01:36:25   in your hand all that brings up [TS]

01:36:27   especially in the time leading up to the [TS]

01:36:29   wii u's release worries about lag you're [TS]

01:36:31   like all right well so the game is [TS]

01:36:33   running on the little thing that looks [TS]

01:36:35   like a cd-rom drive attached to my TV [TS]

01:36:37   and I'm sitting on a couch here and I'm [TS]

01:36:39   playing it here like how does the [TS]

01:36:41   picture get it's not going through the [TS]

01:36:43   TV how do i get to the gamepad and if it [TS]

01:36:46   takes a long time it's like you know in [TS]

01:36:48   you imagine trying to play for a [TS]

01:36:49   sufficient shooter using VPN our VPN pnc [TS]

01:36:52   right a remote desktop or whatever [TS]

01:36:54   you're you know it's like the lag anyone [TS]

01:36:56   who's used remote desktop or B and C [TS]

01:36:58   knows the terrible lag of just you know [TS]

01:37:00   using menus and stuff made all sorts of [TS]

01:37:01   tricks to my try to make it tolerable [TS]

01:37:03   and the resolution of a high-definition [TS]

01:37:06   game because the wii u finally is high [TS]

01:37:07   resolution that's comparable to the [TS]

01:37:10   resolution of a computer monitor from a [TS]

01:37:13   couple years ago right and it was [TS]

01:37:15   terrible a couple years ago to try even [TS]

01:37:16   over like gigabit ethernet you try to [TS]

01:37:18   use remote desktop and it would just [TS]

01:37:19   feel slow and laggy you forget about [TS]

01:37:21   trying to play a game like that so [TS]

01:37:22   everyone was worried about what the what [TS]

01:37:24   the leg would be so other people have [TS]

01:37:26   these things in their hands they're [TS]

01:37:27   doing tests on them this from a [TS]

01:37:30   developer of a the rayman game there's [TS]

01:37:34   many links talking about this developer [TS]

01:37:35   interview which was barely nintendo [TS]

01:37:37   power i put a link in the show notes [TS]

01:37:39   they are testing a star it's a Rayman [TS]

01:37:41   legends develop [TS]

01:37:41   devour oh yeah let's try again rayman [TS]

01:37:45   legends developer michelle and sell if i [TS]

01:37:47   said that name correctly has now [TS]

01:37:48   confirmed that the gamepad image on the [TS]

01:37:50   wii u suffers only one sixtieth of a [TS]

01:37:52   second delay here's a quote from him [TS]

01:37:54   it's crazy because the game is running [TS]

01:37:55   in full HD on the television that we are [TS]

01:37:57   streaming another picture on the gamepad [TS]

01:37:59   screen it's still for 60 frames per [TS]

01:38:01   second and the latency on the controller [TS]

01:38:03   is just one sixtieth of a second so it's [TS]

01:38:05   one frame late so if you do 60 frames [TS]

01:38:07   per second and you're 160 of a second [TS]

01:38:09   behind that means the gamepad is only [TS]

01:38:12   one frame behind where it should be [TS]

01:38:14   behind where the television the signal [TS]

01:38:18   going to television and forget how many [TS]

01:38:20   frames behind our minds actually are yes [TS]

01:38:22   that's not think about that so I says [TS]

01:38:24   it's crazy it's so fast it's almost [TS]

01:38:25   instant that's why it responds so well [TS]

01:38:27   so that is the typical Nintendo [TS]

01:38:29   attention to detail there have been many [TS]

01:38:30   complaints about the wii u in particular [TS]

01:38:32   with the interface and the non-game [TS]

01:38:33   portions of it but once you get into the [TS]

01:38:35   game and Tendo knows what's important [TS]

01:38:37   that's responsiveness and latency the [TS]

01:38:40   ARS technica are dope says while one [TS]

01:38:42   frame delay might actually be noticeable [TS]

01:38:44   by some of the craziest pro fighting [TS]

01:38:45   game players the money of difference is [TS]

01:38:47   not going to be detectable by normal [TS]

01:38:48   people and now here is the fascinating [TS]

01:38:51   thing about this this is actually [TS]

01:38:52   something from june where someone was [TS]

01:38:54   filming someone playing a wii u game in [TS]

01:38:57   June probably like one of the various [TS]

01:38:59   conventions maybe it was III where in [TS]

01:39:01   the in the frame of the video you can [TS]

01:39:03   see the television screen that is [TS]

01:39:06   showing the same image there's also on [TS]

01:39:08   the gamepad screen so you can see both [TS]

01:39:09   screens the gamepad where where the [TS]

01:39:11   image is playing in also the television [TS]

01:39:13   because you can run in this mode or mode [TS]

01:39:14   where the images displayed both on the [TS]

01:39:16   television and on the gamepad I don't [TS]

01:39:18   know why you would do that but it's [TS]

01:39:20   possible and in this video you can watch [TS]

01:39:23   it and sort of go frame by frame and [TS]

01:39:25   slow motion through it and you can see [TS]

01:39:27   that the gamepad screen is actually [TS]

01:39:30   seven frames ahead of the the television [TS]

01:39:34   screen so it's a 116 milliseconds ahead [TS]

01:39:37   of the television screen so you'll see [TS]

01:39:38   Mario jumping you'll see he has seven [TS]

01:39:39   frames ahead of where he where he is on [TS]

01:39:41   the television screen and so wait a [TS]

01:39:44   second I thought that the gamepad was [TS]

01:39:46   supposed to be one frame behind 16 like [TS]

01:39:48   I'm beyond what explains the fact that [TS]

01:39:50   the gamepad is actually showing an image [TS]

01:39:53   7 frames ahead of the television well if [TS]

01:39:54   you think back to our [TS]

01:39:55   our television episode from many [TS]

01:39:57   episodes ago another one that I can't [TS]

01:39:59   remember the episode number four I think [TS]

01:40:01   we talked about this is that modern [TS]

01:40:04   high-definition televisions especially [TS]

01:40:06   LCD televisions do all sorts of [TS]

01:40:08   processing to the image that they're [TS]

01:40:10   shown so the signal may be coming out of [TS]

01:40:12   the wii u and going into the back of the [TS]

01:40:15   television that signal maybe 160 of the [TS]

01:40:18   second ahead of the signal that is going [TS]

01:40:19   to the gamepad but once it hits the back [TS]

01:40:22   of the television the television doesn't [TS]

01:40:24   immediately display it the television [TS]

01:40:26   does lots of processing some of that [TS]

01:40:28   processing may involve comparing the new [TS]

01:40:30   image it got the previous image of got [TS]

01:40:31   and like doing a diff between them or [TS]

01:40:33   massaging them some of that processing [TS]

01:40:36   in any televisions they're still having [TS]

01:40:37   to be around with dynamic LED [TS]

01:40:39   backlighting might be to figure out [TS]

01:40:40   which portion of the back lights need to [TS]

01:40:42   be a bit for this frame a video and is [TS]

01:40:45   it different than the previous narrated [TS]

01:40:46   video all that processing you know [TS]

01:40:49   motion compensation to the ring and you [TS]

01:40:52   know noise reduction and stuff that [TS]

01:40:55   processing takes time so from the time [TS]

01:40:58   the signal hits the back of the [TS]

01:40:59   television to the time the television [TS]

01:41:00   actually displays that that new frame [TS]

01:41:02   could be significant and this is what's [TS]

01:41:05   known as input lag on televisions where [TS]

01:41:07   the television itself introduces a delay [TS]

01:41:10   and apparently this television was [TS]

01:41:11   introducing an eight frame delay you [TS]

01:41:14   know and so that's why the gamepad [TS]

01:41:16   appeared to be seven frames ahead [TS]

01:41:17   because the gamepad didn't doesn't have [TS]

01:41:19   any delay it gets the signal shows it [TS]

01:41:20   immediately doesn't do any weird [TS]

01:41:22   processing or anything but the signal [TS]

01:41:23   going to the back of television has to [TS]

01:41:24   find its way through the televisions [TS]

01:41:25   processing and that's why many many [TS]

01:41:27   televisions have what they call game [TS]

01:41:29   mode where will it will disable some or [TS]

01:41:31   all of the video processing making the [TS]

01:41:33   image look uglier usually but at the [TS]

01:41:35   benefit of that is that you get less [TS]

01:41:38   input lag so apparently this television [TS]

01:41:40   that was set up at this convention [TS]

01:41:42   center wherever they were playing this [TS]

01:41:43   demo was either not set up in game mode [TS]

01:41:45   or it could very well be that this was [TS]

01:41:47   game mode and that eight frames of lag [TS]

01:41:49   is actually the good version and if you [TS]

01:41:51   had all the profit video processing on [TS]

01:41:52   it would be 40 frames of lag or [TS]

01:41:54   something like that so this is a [TS]

01:41:57   fascinating example of like also [TS]

01:42:00   Nintendo made a gamepad also what big [TS]

01:42:02   deal i heard microsoft has the same [TS]

01:42:03   thing with its glass thing the xbox 360 [TS]

01:42:06   to do this right to really have a [TS]

01:42:08   handheld screen that lets you play a [TS]

01:42:11   game year they have to do the processing [TS]

01:42:12   on the handheld thing itself like do [TS]

01:42:14   they play the actual game on your iPad [TS]

01:42:16   or on your tablet or on your surface or [TS]

01:42:17   whatever or if you're going to do the [TS]

01:42:20   processing on the actual console thing [TS]

01:42:22   attached to the TV you've got your work [TS]

01:42:23   cut out for you because you really need [TS]

01:42:25   to send a full HD resolution image [TS]

01:42:28   wirelessly to this can do is control and [TS]

01:42:31   have display the thing and try to get as [TS]

01:42:33   little lag as possible so 16 to the [TS]

01:42:35   second leg is actually pretty amazing [TS]

01:42:36   and I applaud Nintendo's efforts making [TS]

01:42:40   this this is an apple like technological [TS]

01:42:42   feat where it's like a fan I've worked [TS]

01:42:43   like it seems impossible and yet there [TS]

01:42:46   it is it's real yeah and like you was [TS]

01:42:48   like all the gamepad's gotta have some [TS]

01:42:49   sophisticated stuff and you open it up [TS]

01:42:50   and it's like no it's just a bunch of [TS]

01:42:52   chips what they ended up doing is they [TS]

01:42:53   sort of define their own limited [TS]

01:42:55   distance you know Wi-Fi variant where it [TS]

01:42:59   doesn't work the same distance the Wi-Fi [TS]

01:43:00   would but like you know they could [TS]

01:43:01   define their own protocol basically to [TS]

01:43:03   wirelessly communicate between the Wii U [TS]

01:43:05   and the gamepad and they could sacrifice [TS]

01:43:07   whatever they wanted to sacrifice ech [TS]

01:43:09   you know you're the only need to talk [TS]

01:43:10   two of them at once because i think the [TS]

01:43:11   gamepad supports up to two things so if [TS]

01:43:14   i could cut any corners there they would [TS]

01:43:15   and the range doesn't have to be more [TS]

01:43:17   than like I think they list the range is [TS]

01:43:18   like 26 feet it actually goes way [TS]

01:43:20   farther than that people have tested up [TS]

01:43:22   like 100 feet but in typical Nintendo [TS]

01:43:23   fashion they're very conservative they [TS]

01:43:25   say don't go outside 26 feet so you [TS]

01:43:27   can't probably take the gamepad up to [TS]

01:43:30   the room seven floors up in your [TS]

01:43:32   gigantic mansion and have the wii u [TS]

01:43:34   downstairs like you 160 a second leg is [TS]

01:43:37   probably gone then maybe you know [TS]

01:43:39   Nintendo says 26 feet maybe if you have [TS]

01:43:41   a ranch house you can get 100 feet away [TS]

01:43:42   so you do kind of have to be in the same [TS]

01:43:46   room or close to it to continue this [TS]

01:43:48   experience but I think that's a [TS]

01:43:50   reasonable trade-off in it and if in [TS]

01:43:51   exchange you get this amazing [TS]

01:43:52   responsiveness that you couldn't have [TS]

01:43:54   got with any other you know non [TS]

01:43:56   proprietary protocol you know bully for [TS]

01:43:58   them and you're gonna get them what if [TS]

01:44:03   we send you one is it going away gift [TS]

01:44:06   how is that gonna help but i guess i [TS]

01:44:10   would actually use it and talked about [TS]

01:44:11   on the show you mean I sure how much of [TS]

01:44:12   it the reason I'm not getting one is [TS]

01:44:14   because none of the launch games are [TS]

01:44:15   like sort of must-haves for me like yeah [TS]

01:44:18   but if we if we just be you know if we [TS]

01:44:19   send you one and will you come will you [TS]

01:44:21   talk about [TS]

01:44:22   I don't know I mean I don't see what I'm [TS]

01:44:26   talking about see my jacket on I know I [TS]

01:44:28   know hard to get you to talk I am gonna [TS]

01:44:30   get 1 i'm and i'm gonna get the black [TS]

01:44:32   one because that's the good one [TS]

01:44:33   unfortunately am i payin two different [TS]

01:44:35   colors but the deluxe one is in black [TS]

01:44:37   and i would rather have it in white but [TS]

01:44:40   i do want to have the deluxe one comes [TS]

01:44:42   with a packing game comes with more [TS]

01:44:43   memory which is the important part but [TS]

01:44:46   i'm not like the games that are out now [TS]

01:44:48   2d Mario is what I'm not really into [TS]

01:44:50   people are going to think outside of [TS]

01:44:52   lettuce but i prefer the 3d ones and [TS]

01:44:55   intend to land which is a bunch of mini [TS]

01:44:57   games which will be fun i'm sure but you [TS]

01:44:59   know not a reason for me to rush out and [TS]

01:45:01   get the system and zombiu looks [TS]

01:45:03   interesting but probably too hard for me [TS]

01:45:05   you should read the reviews of that game [TS]

01:45:06   if you haven't already it's a it's a [TS]

01:45:08   kind of a shame its launch title because [TS]

01:45:10   it might get eclipse then maybe they'll [TS]

01:45:12   have a sequel that will be better but [TS]

01:45:13   it's a very interesting concept so I'd [TS]

01:45:15   be interested to try that but I don't [TS]

01:45:18   know and also I don't think these we use [TS]

01:45:21   are actually around these days it's kind [TS]

01:45:22   of a they're kind of scarce and I think [TS]

01:45:24   I could find you one crowdsource it yeah [TS]

01:45:27   would you accept one if we manage to [TS]

01:45:29   find one and get at you you think you're [TS]

01:45:32   gonna find i don't know i'm going to try [TS]

01:45:34   if final lie to you and then and have it [TS]

01:45:37   shipped to my house in time to do a show [TS]

01:45:39   about it five weeks yeah maybe listen [TS]

01:45:44   five by five at itv such contact do not [TS]

01:45:46   pick hypercritical just pick contact and [TS]

01:45:48   benjamin from the list if you can get me [TS]

01:45:50   one of these and all paypal you some [TS]

01:45:52   money and we'll get it to john has to be [TS]

01:45:54   black one there was to be black one end [TS]

01:45:56   up returning it back to you because you [TS]

01:45:59   should i mean keep it fair that's [TS]

01:46:01   actually i want you to have it yeah yeah [TS]

01:46:03   I'm gonna get one myself you know now [TS]

01:46:06   you're gonna get a black one from uh [TS]

01:46:07   from us all right I'll see about that [TS]

01:46:09   all right that would definitely give us [TS]

01:46:10   a topic for a show if I happen to maybe [TS]

01:46:12   a bonus show maybe a hundred and first [TS]

01:46:14   episode let's not go crazy alright so if [TS]

01:46:18   you wonder you can follow John siracusa [TS]

01:46:21   he's siracusa on twitter SI RAC USA he [TS]

01:46:25   is siracusa on alpha dot net and i'm [TS]

01:46:28   gonna do this just for you he is [TS]

01:46:30   siracusa intent is look at that just for [TS]

01:46:34   you [TS]

01:46:35   and you can follow me i'm damned [TS]

01:46:37   benjamin on twitter down on Alpha and [TS]

01:46:38   appreciate you listening you can go to [TS]

01:46:43   five by five TV such hypercritical / 95 [TS]

01:46:45   in order to see the show notes that John [TS]

01:46:47   has curated and put together for you so [TS]

01:46:50   go there check it out and we truly [TS]

01:46:53   appreciate it anything else John we good [TS]

01:46:56   for this week people should still [TS]

01:46:59   remember to leave their reviews yes yes [TS]

01:47:01   even though the show is ending in fact I [TS]

01:47:03   would say van all the more reason to [TS]

01:47:04   leave them it's your last chance to [TS]

01:47:07   leave a review that's timely there you [TS]

01:47:09   go you know there's no sense i mean [TS]

01:47:10   reading a book that's a hundred years [TS]

01:47:12   old and saying that's pretty good book [TS]

01:47:14   like by now you know you want a review [TS]

01:47:16   when it's fresh this will stay up on the [TS]

01:47:18   iTunes forever is over it'll just be [TS]

01:47:20   sitting there it'll be there forever and [TS]

01:47:22   people be able to get all 100 episodes [TS]

01:47:24   or just a lot forever no it's all 100 if [TS]

01:47:27   you subscribe to the RSS feed or the [TS]

01:47:29   itunes feet they're all there and [TS]

01:47:30   they'll always be there there you go and [TS]

01:47:32   now it's like seasons of television [TS]

01:47:35   shows that have been canceled it'll [TS]

01:47:36   still be there we're never gonna they're [TS]

01:47:38   always be there alright so that's it [TS]

01:47:40   have a good week John we'll see you next [TS]

01:47:42   week yep [TS]

01:47:56   you [TS]