Hypercritical

00:00:00 ◼   ► as a wise man once said Dan don't give a [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► date that leads to the dark side this is [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► hypercritical a weekly talk show [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► ruminating on exactly what is wrong in [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► the world of Apple and related [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► technologies and businesses nothing is [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► so perfect that it can't be complained [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► about by my friend and your host John [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► siracusa I'm Dan Benjamin today is [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► Friday November 30th 2012 this is [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► episode number 96 and there are only a [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► hundred only a few left to go I know [TS]

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00:01:06 ◼   ► out at my node com hi John Oh Dan how is [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► everything going just fine I didn't see [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► you online I was worried no you are [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► Miriam you're hiding I'm hiding in plain [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► sight is they say yep all right a lot of [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► notes on today's show I can't tell when [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► I have a lot of notes if it will be long [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► or short but I do have a lot of notes so [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► we better get going let's do it what [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► should we start with do you think why I [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► am not privy to your notes so I I don't [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► know we start with follow-up dan what do [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► you think oh well I don't I love [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► follow-up I love the follow-up segment [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► alright first bit of fall is about the [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► wii u we talked about in the past couple [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► sure now let me I have an announcement [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► to make alright already already a wii u [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► a black deluxe wii u is winging its way [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► to you hopefully for arrival to you next [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► week well that's excellent dan thank you [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► very much and thank you do whoever hell [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► to source that that will remain a secret [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► until later my secret benefactor that's [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► right I mean I'm the benefactor but they [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► were the middleman and they will be they [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► will be well compensated for their [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► efforts or middle woman middle and [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► middle man okay it's fifty percent [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► forty-nine percent of the population [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► ruled in 51% ruled out so once this [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► arrives I'll have to immediately unpack [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► it and set it up and try to do some [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► playing and then we'll see what showed [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► that ends up fitting in yeah you know [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► cuz i have to i like a lot of these [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► games are multiplayer so I'm gonna have [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► to enlist the family to you know kid [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► test the game and mom test it and you [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► know all sorts of other stuff so I will [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► report back yes this will be excited but [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► it's the black that not here's a [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► question do you it the the wii u comes [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► with them like the one controller with [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► the screen in it and the deluxe set has [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► like a little bass and little charger [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► and comes with a game and some other [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► things um it will that be sufficient for [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► your testing will you because I [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► understand it uses you can use like [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► regular we style controllers and things [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► like that with it do you feel like [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► you're said it has an hdmi connector I [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► mean are you set up to go is there [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► anything else you'll need to give this [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► the proper check out or anything I think [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► I've got everything I've got a bucket [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► full of like old we accessories I've got [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► plenty of wiimotes and nunchuck [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► controllers of course they're white not [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► black but what can you do the way [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► Nintendo has decided to do it stuff I [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► really wish they had offered two colors [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► in two different models and then I would [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► have gotten a deluxe one in white right [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► that's not what they did but anyway I [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► have all the peripherals and I should be [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► all set on everything else I I may end [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► up eventually getting the the pro [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► controller but I don't think you even [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► need that to play any of the launch [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► games or anything well I went I went to [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► sort of potentially source another [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► controller for you as I was resour [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► researching all of this and I went and [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► it's I asked first of all the pro [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► controllers that they're larger they're [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► more like I don't know can I say an Xbox [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► style yeah they clearly look like an [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► Xbox controller okay and I'm assuming [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► that those are [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► wireless as opposed to courted but those [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► things are really tough to find like [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► almost if not as hard as the Wii U [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► console itself defined right now yeah I [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► imagined I mean eventually I'll get [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► enough peripherals and stuff like that [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► but immediately I just expect to use the [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► system and the transfer process from the [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► wii and then play the pac ingame which [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► is supposed to demonstrate all the [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► different features of the you know lots [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► of different games that use the [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► controllers in lots of different ways so [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► that'll be a good test I think what [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► games will you this is yours to keep [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► just to be clear this isn't you know [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► this isn't a loaner this is yours well [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► will you be able to get your own games [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► for do we need to send some games along [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► maybe we'll send some games I don't know [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► how many the launch titles I'm [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► interested in like I'm er actually was [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► I'm meriden in the oh yeah probably that [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► one although I do prefer the 3d marios [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► to the 2d ones but I the Nintendo land [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► game that it comes with should be [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► sufficient to put the thing through its [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► paces and zombie you even though it [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► looks interesting to me i don't think i [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► would actually play that mmm yeah so [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► anyway uh so sorry to interrupt with you [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► the early i guess it's gonna be a long [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► show but i just wanted to ban is [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► declared it yeah he has called it the [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► first time alright yes this is the first [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► bit is tweet from cable sasser the I [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► mean intimate community member founder [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► of panic software who's also a gamer and [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► he tweeted that the Wii U gamepad is [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► really good at pointing out AV delays in [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► your home theater so he says he put his [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► TV into game mode which we've talked [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► about in past shows it's the mode some [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► televisions have to reduce the number of [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► processing steps they do to video in the [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► hopes of reducing the latency between [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► the time the signal hits the back of the [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► TV and the time that that picture [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► appears on the television and he says [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► he's put his receiver in pure direct [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► mode if you have a receiver between your [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► game console and your television [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► sometimes the receivers have a mode that [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► will also not try to do any processing [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► on the audio or the video or whatever [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► because the reason it shows delays is [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► because the wii u sends the wireless [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► video signal directly to [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► the gamepad and then you can see like if [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► you run it where it's running the same [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► thing on both screens you can see that [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► wow look and you can visually without [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► even measuring equipment just see that [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► the gamepad is ahead of where your [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► television is despite the fact that we [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► talked about in the last show that the [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► gamepad is actually one sixtieth of a [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► second behind the signal coming out of [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► the back of the wii u along the hdmi [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► cable but all the other parts of your [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► system may be introducing delays and it [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► ends up that it looks like the gamepad [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► is way ahead so that's an interesting [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► result of this technology that people [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► are going to find out exactly how much [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► lag is in there a be setups as another [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► article that someone sent along our [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► bunch people sent along it is on [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► VentureBeat it's the title is forget the [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► sixaxis which is the name of [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► Playstations terrible little controller [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► with the accelerometers in it the Wii [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► U's gamepad has nine axis control it's [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► like the Gillette razor thing you know [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► method we're doing five blades are [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► that's the onion story but it became a [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► reality right this preposterous they'd [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► never do five blades what a joke and now [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► it's like can we dude can we do 69 [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► access control are there nine axes how [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► many X's are there it seems like they [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► should only be XY and Z but now they're [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► doing 90 so if you read the article i [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► linked to in the show notes you will see [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► that what they're basically doing is as [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► far as i can understand from this [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► article adding more redundant sensors in [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► an effort to be able to filter out noise [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► and stuff like that so the article talks [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► about the difference between you know [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► accelerometers and stuff that you can [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► envision kind of as like a this is not [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► what they actually are but imagine a [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► t-shaped wooden channel with it with a [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► steel ball in it or something and if you [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► tilt it the steel ball rolls to one end [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► of the thing or the other and there's [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► another steel ball going in the left and [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► right one you know like that's measuring [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► you're tilting in different axes and [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► stuff and a lot of those things are just [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► relative what you also need is absolute [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► positioning so you can say regardless [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► support I just did with this device I [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► shook it I wave did I moved from left to [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► right really quickly what is the [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► absolute orientation with respect to you [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► know basically gravity with respect to [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► the earth and so you all sorts of things [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► to try to figure that out including [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► sensors that measure the Earth's [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► magnetic field to sort of you know to [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► tell where is this thing pointing in [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► absolute space relative to [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► the floor of your room or whatever [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► regardless of how it got there how it [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► shook her how it was wiggled or how you [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► know so we can keep track of where it is [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► and apparently the gamepad has many more [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► sensors and many more sophisticated [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► systems to do this even better than the [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► wii motionplus it's in the existing wii [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► remote controls so i'm looking forward [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► to seeing how much that improves thinks [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► and I really hope as does this article [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► that they backport this tech to the wii [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► remote controls because anything you can [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► do to you know it's not like a new [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► feature that we were no control supposed [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► to already do this but anyone who's [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► played Skyward Sword on the wii knows [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► that you have to you know recenter it [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► and recalibrate and do all the stuffs [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► and then that we use is the IR signaled [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► as a sort of less resort orientation [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► mechanism where the IR signal is coming [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► from the top your television in a fixed [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► position I'm going to really lose itself [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► if you can point it back towards the TV [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► you can recalibrate it and it's kind of [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► a big mess hopefully the gamepad does [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► better so I'm looking forward to seeing [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► how well that goes Steve holes are [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► burdened with a minor point about video [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► latency on the Wii U gamepad he pointed [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► out the gamepad's resolution is 854 x [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► 480 it's not the full resolution of like [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► a 1080p television which is 1920 x 1080 [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► and it's not even you know 720p which is [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► nineteen richest 1280 by 720 and so [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► saying you know that the way you [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► probably scales down the video for [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► transmitting and you say well that's why [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► it makes it easier doesn't need to send [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► the full signal well that's bandwidth [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► wise that's true but latency wise [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► scaling down the signal actually adds [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► latency so it's even more impressive [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► that it can match take the video output [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► scale it down and then send the scaled [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► down version but it does mean that [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► things on the gamepad might not look as [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► crisp if any games are actually [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► outputting 1080p however the thing about [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► console games is almost all console [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► games have a much smaller render target [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► than the output resolution it's one of [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► the tricks they do to get performance as [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► they will the game will be rendered at a [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► resolution that's smaller than 1080p and [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► sometimes even smaller than 720p just [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► and then that's that's the native pixels [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► of the game edge right and then some [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► other part of the GPU right before being [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► out outputting the thing will just [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► simply scale that image up to fill 720p [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► or to fill 1080p so a lot of the and [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► this should be scare quotes around a lot [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► of the games and say that this game is [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► in 720p or this game [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► isn't a 1080p like a lot of the time the [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► game is rendering at a resolution [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► smaller than both of those and just [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► simply upscaling for those different [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► resolutions and the games that are truly [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► native 1080p and 720p come more common [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► with time but in the current generation [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► of consoles which have similar power to [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► the wii u mini games still render have [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► smaller render targets than the output [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► target nothing is ever simple you know [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► no it isn't alright so last week i [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► mentioned the idea that regular people [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► who were interested in this topic could [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► learn about how computers work from the [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► gate level on up from you know and [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► didn't and gates and stuff like that all [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► the way up to how a modern computer [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► works if you chop off the low end like [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► not learning about chemistry and physics [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► and doping and silicon chips and stuff [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► like that that removes a lot of the [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► really esoteric difficult understand [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► stuff but from the gates on up it's [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► something that really anyone can [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► understand and i said that didn't know [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► of any good resources to learn that you [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► know other than going to school for four [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► years we're just kind of burdensome and [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► so i got a lot of suggestions and [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► amazingly i got two suggestions [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► repeatedly for many other people like it [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► was basically I don't think again it's [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► just two suggestions and tons of people [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► suggested these few things by Twitter [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► and email and stuff so they must be [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► really good the first one is the book [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► called code by Charles petzold at yeah [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► petzl that's right the hidden language [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► again from computer hardware and [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► software is link in the show notes [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► Kieran Healy was the first one suggested [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► he says is that it begins with a lovely [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► conceptual introduction to boolean logic [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► and build step by step up to a tour of [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► the motorola 68000 series and the intel [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► 8080 and from there to integrated [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► motherboards and programming languages [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► it's really beautifully constructed [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► wonderfully clear book a minor classic [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► really and someone else whose name i [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► shamefully did not include in the show [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► notes but emailed right after here and [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► says it explains how to build a computer [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► from the ground up in a very accessible [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► way starts with information theory in [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► Morse code and then from telegraphy you [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► know using a telegraph relays to logic [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► gates on words to building ram cpu and [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► whatnot there's recommended by a friend [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► and it blew my mind that is possible to [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► explain this stuff in an accessible way [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► so if you want a book to learn this [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► stuff there you go charles pets olds [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► code which is an older book but this [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► stuff really hasn't changed and these [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► second very popular suggestion was a [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► website / sort of build it yourself [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► course material / video series / text [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► book / you know internet multimedia [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► extravaganza it is called from NAND to [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► Tetris building am under modern computer [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► from first principles the website is [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► triple w nand to the number to tetris [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► org also in the show notes as the site [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► says it contains all the software tools [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► and project materials necessary to build [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► a general-purpose computer system from [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► the ground up we also provide a set of [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► lecture is designed to support a typical [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► course on the subject this is aimed [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► students instructors and self learners [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► everything is free and open source blah [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► blah so there you go you have two ways [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► to take a crack of this one if you just [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► want to read a book that's a great book [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► and if you want to sort of do it [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► interactively online or watch videos or [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► sort of do it do it yourself course you [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► want man to tetris good old internet [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► it's got something for everything this [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► next one is a bit of follow-up from two [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► shows ago but i missed it it was in the [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► show notes somehow i missed it but my [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► new thing lately i put something in the [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► notes and then just scan over it it's a [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► shame ah moore's law was mentioned many [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► shows ago and i had said on the show [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► that maybe i did maybe remember i do [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► things forgetting that i've already done [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► this fall if any way you can tell me i [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► might say that's an i don't care how [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► many times you follow people love this i [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► love it that moore's law was two years [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► or was one year i listed originally and [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► it's actually two years is from the [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► wikipedia article Moore's Law is the [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► observation that blah blah blah the [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► number of transistors on integrated [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► circuit doubles approximately every two [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► years and it says the period is often [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► quoted as 18 months due to Intel [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► executive David house who predicted that [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► period for doubling and ship performance [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► which is not quite the same thing as a [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► number of transistors in his kind of a [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► fudgy anyway so or was original law two [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► years often quoted as 18 months and [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► often misquoted by me as 12 months [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► apparently so apologize for the error [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► there one more random one before we get [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► to some Intel arm stuff which is [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► producing even more follow up this from [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► Andrew Burwell he was one of the many [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► people to grant me this story on makanan [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► that says OS ten ten point eight point [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► three beta supports the radeon HD 7900 [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► series chipset [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► this is nothing are straddling but it is [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► exciting whenever we see a new beta of [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► OS 10 with new video drivers because it [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► suggests that future max are coming that [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► support that include this hardware cuz [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► otherwise why would I would Apple have [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► drivers for it right and this hardware [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► is radeon is it AMD / 80 is like top-end [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► very fast video cards and where would [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► they put a card like that I suppose they [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► could put one in an imac maybe it'd mean [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► they have room in there they could come [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► up with the cooling solution but it just [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► doesn't seem like what they normally do [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► and so this it's heavily towards [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► something Mac Pro caliber which we all [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► hope is coming in 2013 again Tim Cook [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► said something for people who like mac [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► pros will be coming in 2013 if that [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► something has this video card you know a [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► card from this video card series I guess [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► you would call them I would be very [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► happy so all things are continuing a [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► pace for 2013 resurrection of something [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► that will make me happy that may or may [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► not be a mac pro so thumbs up on that in [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► the show notes if you would like to [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► oggle the the details sugar turns 5 by 5 [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► that TV such hypercritical / 96 yes [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► what's the next part we have is all the [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► Intel follow-up jeez it's like I have [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► show all by itself e I've got Intel [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► follow-up and then a couple [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► miscellaneous follow-ups and then the [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► shows topic the Intel foul-up could be [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► long should we should we do a sponsor [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► before then then you can just dive right [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► in and take all the time you need but it [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► gets a good idea koku that is it koku or [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► Co Co Co Q coke you I've been saying it [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► wrong it's a fresh approach for personal [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► finance management doesn't matter how [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► you say it it's designed to make [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► tracking your money simple and intuitive [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► and now you can get this for the mac for [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► the iphone in both of the app stores [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► this is what's cool about it the apps [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► they sync via iCloud so your data stays [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► consistent whether you're at home [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► whether you're on the go and this is my [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► favorite part of the app is it's got [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► this smart tagging system it allows you [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► to describe the transactions that you [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► make in a way that's meaningful to you [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► it doesn't impose its own hierarchy it [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► doesn't impose buckets or cat [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► it's it's about how you work how you [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► track your own finances you define it [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► and then you use these reports that'll [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► show a personalized financial picture [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► that gives it a real insight into how [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► you're spending your money or not [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► spending your money John based on those [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► categories that you've created that is [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► smart lists ooh they're kind of like [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► smart playlists but there for your [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► transactions so you can actually see it [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► the way you want to see it they were [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► featured in the mac app store but the [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► great thing is that both apps are on [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► sale now during this special run they're [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► doing with us for half price so it's [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► 2999 for the mac and a 499 for the [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► iphone is the regular price half price [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► now half price 1499 for the mac buck 99 [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► for the iphone co q app kok you AP p dot [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► com go check them out Coco AB they're [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► really awesome Intel well we saw that we [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► got some real time follow up in the chat [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► room first I've been interests if he [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► thinks they'll be an improvement on the [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► controls on wii games when playing on [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► the wii u if they release new wiimotes [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► with the new internals new improved [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► internals i think there could be because [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► as far as the wii system is concerned [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► when we use in wii emulation well they [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► would still just like look like a normal [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► wii remote it would just have like you [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► know it would just be more reliable more [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► difficult to confuse and you know maybe [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► you know it should look the same it [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► should just be better so that is [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► actually possible if they did that but [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► it's not going to make an improvement [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► who's you can't play wii games with the [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► gamepad right so it's not gonna do it [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► improvement too late unless they release [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► improved wii u controls o mine Fed wants [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► me to come back at 2013 when i get my [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► new mac pro so we can have a worry about [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► that if and when it happens dan Hickson [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► wants to say that ogle has a long oh [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► it's not oggle i always say oggle i know [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► i guess it doesn't come up in [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► conversation a lot but yeah he's right [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► it's a long ago sorry about that all [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► right intel a quick review this is all [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► about apple and whether they're going to [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► use intel chips and their macs and what [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► Intel's position [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► is relative to arm the other various arm [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► CPUs and all that business so at one [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► point in talking about risk and siskin [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► until an arm i talked about segment [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► registers on intel cpus which were used [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► way back when to address memory in a [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► segmented manner where your memory [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► addresses in your code would be offsets [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► from a segment and you'd change the [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► segment register and then the offsets [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► would be relative to that and all sorts [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► of stuff like that which is not use [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► nowadays in modern architectures but [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► still exists on the cpus for backward [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► compatibility and i said that how if [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► they could remove one feature to [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► simplify intel cpus my anonymous source [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► said that segmentation would be the one [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► to remove well daniel cohen wrote in to [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► point out the interesting things that [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► people are doing one of the interesting [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► things that people are doing with the [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► segment registers in Google's Native [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► Client project which I have link in the [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► show notes it's their way to you know [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► run native code on your machine but [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► delivered via the web it's not you know [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► job our JavaScript or whatever they do a [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► bunch of really clever hacks to run [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► untrusted x86 code sort of in a sandbox [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► in a way that is safer because they [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► don't want you know you to load a [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► webpage and then it runs arbitrary code [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► on your cpu because that would be bad [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► alright so they need some way to to lock [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► it down and they they use segmentation [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► the segment registers as a means of [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► enforcing that kind of security and [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► there's a paper where they describe how [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► this is done it's in the show notes to [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► PDF if you want to take a look at that [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► other cpus of similar ways to do similar [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► things it's not like segment registers [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► are the only way to do this but i [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► thought it was interesting because it [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► shows the resourcefulness of engineers [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► that they're finding something useful to [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► do with a feature it's not no longer [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► needed for its old intended purpose but [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► still exists on the hardware for [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► backward compatibility reasons i we can [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► use the hardware for something so that's [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► interesting and then the second use is [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► from andrew oh goodness andrew big house [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► goss oh goodness i got nothing on that [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► one sv e ik au s Kas sorry andrew should [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► have practiced it's amazing how i copy [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► and paste these names into my show [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► moment and never think that you know you [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► can have to say this name maybe take a [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► look at it now [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► so like during the show you aren't [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► surprised but but you know there you go [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► eight points out that the x86 segment [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► registers are used to define privilege [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► levels you know ring 0 ring one whatever [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► in in windows are in you know some x86 [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► operating systems and windows also uses [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► them for thread-local storage and if you [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► don't know what that ring 0 businesses I [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► put a link in the show notes to the [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► relevant Wikipedia page it's about [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► protection domains where the most [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► privileged code runs in ring 0 I hope I [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► got that right or not backwards and you [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► know see you I you the code runs in a [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► different ring it has different [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► privileges and stuff like that so that's [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► another interesting use of the segment [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► registers but just maybe closer to their [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► intended purpose but still kind of weird [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► let me check that out if you're [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► interesting alright moving on to the [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► meteor business stuff here 9to5 mac had [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► a story this week with a great prefix [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► you know they do that bunch of words [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► colon and then the headline so they're [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► they're prefixes wild speculation Cohen [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► alright well you know you're being [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► you're being honest right wild [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► speculation Cohen y 2 billion dollar AMD [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► purchase would be a puzzle piece fit for [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► Apple hmm way to turn a phrase their [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► puzzle piece fit okay that link is in [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► the show notes the idea is hey hey guys [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► what have happened what AMD because they [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► make x86 CPUs and even though Apple thus [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► far has not chosen to go with them [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► because intel has better CPUs for less [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► money that use less power that are [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► faster and blah blah blah blah blah AMD [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► might have some good stuff too yeah [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► they're out there trying to sell their [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► texas campus to raise money and then [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► they want to like get it back they're [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► gonna sell it unlikely sit back for ya [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► something i don't know it's weird yeah [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► but like and the reason this comes up as [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► cuz AMD is like as is not doing that [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► well like so people you know people look [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► at it and look into a plane maybe Apple [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► could buy them because hey maybe you get [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► a cheap cuz like they're not doing [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► terribly but in the Intel vs AMD war [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► which it once looked like AMD might be [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► getting the upper hand now it's like oh [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► poor AMD right so yeah I mean Intel's [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► got its own problems too but AMD may be [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► a bargain so thinking about this I mean [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► first of all Apple certainly has the [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► money you know they [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► of a 100 billion or more in cash and you [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► know AMD they could buy for only a [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► couple billion so yeah it's bargain and [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► it would be a way to get some really [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► great CPU and GPU town because remember [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► AMD bought a TI and so they've got the [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► all the people from ati are part of that [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► that deal and those guys really no [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► high-end GPUs and that's some great [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► talent and as much as I'm loath to even [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► think about things like this I'm sure [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► they have tons of patents from a TI and [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► AMD is probably got its own patents and [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► AMD as we noted before is the one who [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► invented x86 64 and yeah so there are [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► valuable assets in AMD I don't but the [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► thing about it is I don't think Apple [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► really wants to continue making CPUs and [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► GPUs so if they bought AMD it would [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► probably mean the end of selling x86 CPU [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► to PC clone makers and it might even be [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► the end of selling discrete GPUs to you [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► know PC makers like they would just [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► become oh this is our new cpu and GPU [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► team and i don't even know how you swing [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► that because they're all geographically [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► I you know diverse and located in [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► different offices all over the place and [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► there's tons of weird redundancy with [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► apple and it seems to me that a buyout [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► would mean the end of AMD as we know it [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► Apple would get the patents but I don't [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► know how much of the staff they would [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► retain it would be like an expensive [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► ugly unreliable way to buy talent but on [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► the other hand I this article points out [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► and as Apple said itself and its press [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► release about the big mens rea move shop [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► reshuffle to be talked about a few shows [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► ago Apple did say it has quote ambitious [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► plans for the future unquote for its [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► semiconductor teams so that would sure [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► be ambitious you know by AMD and try to [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► make your own stuff using all those [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► talented teams it just it just seems [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► like a not a particularly easy business [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► deal to me and part of me is like if you [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► wait long enough they might go out of [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► business and you can scoop those guys up [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► for a lot less money you know yeah or [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► Intel would just hire them all I mean [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► with hiring people people like to think [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► it's like oh if we if we get AMD we get [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► all those people are we can hire all [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► those people's like no because they all [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► live all over the country and especially [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► apple doesn't really like people to be [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► like they like to have you in California [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► if they can help but especially if [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► you're you know working on some mage [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► part of their product strategy they have [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► different campuses in other places and [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► stuff but they really don't like [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► telecommuting and it would be very [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► difficult to sort of take all of AMD [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► scattered people from AMD proper and a [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► TI and somehow make remote campuses or [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► research facilities that contribute to [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► is just I don't you know you like it [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► those people say oh well we're all going [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► to move our families to California and [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► live right near and cheese yeah it's [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► it's very difficult to hire people not [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► because you can't pay them enough or [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► they don't like you but because they [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► want to live where they live like that [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► is a big factor in hiring people if [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► you're raising a family a certain place [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► you know it's very difficult for any [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► employer to convince you for any [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► reasonable lot of money to uproot your [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► entire family move someplace else [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► alright next story is from semi accurate [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► which is a clever website name and from [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► what glean from reading couple of [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► stories there it is accurate yeah right [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► the title d sensational title is Intel [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► kills off the desktop pcs go with it [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► this is an article from someone who [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► obviously does not like this decision [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► bemoaning the fact that broadwell will [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► not come in an LG a package so that no [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► more removable CPU so broad whale is the [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► 14 nanometer shrink of Haswell coming [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► you know after as well uh and intel has [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► said that they're not going to give you [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► one of those on an LG a package LGA [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► stands for land grid array and it's like [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► a mounting mechanism for the cpu and [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► this kind of mounting mechanism has pins [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► on the motherboard and then you put [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► that's why it's called like a land grid [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► i guess give the little pins are on the [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► land and you put the chip on top of it [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► and sort of clamp it down and the chins [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► the chips got little contacts and they [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► push down on the pins so the pins are in [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► the socket and not on the little chip [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► itself and basically this lets [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► motherboard makers make a motherboard [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► and they just have a little square hole [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► where are you you by the cpu separately [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► pick whichever one you want from a [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► certain compatible range and stick it in [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► here MSD know it's killing the pc [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► introduce I all we all are all of these [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► things are going to be soldered to the [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► logic board that means the only people [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► who can make logic boards or you know [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► that you can all have to buy the whole [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► unit you can't you know shop around I'm [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► gonna buy this motherboard and cpu and [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► this hard drive [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► this video card and plug it all together [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► I obviously don't care about this [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► because i don't like building pcs that [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► way and intel obviously either doesn't [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► think that's the future is just trying [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► to rest more control over we talked two [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► before a last show about trying to intel [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► trying to get more control over its [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► products by making a system where it [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► controls more of the components so we [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► can make it all them low voltage and all [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► them work together and not be [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► power-hungry and to do that it's rather [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► than trying to coerce everyone else into [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► doing is making like a speck and say you [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► must use this you must use that and [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► maybe we'll just make the entire [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► motherboard and solder the cpu wander [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► and this is what you get and tough luck [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► which is a big change from the old days [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► where everyone would do their little [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► business and stick to their knitting and [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► this guy would make the cpu and this guy [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► would make the motherboard chipset in [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► this guy would make the actual [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► motherboard and then assemblers would [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► build them all together yeah and that [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► that sort of interchangeable parts type [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► thing is definitely falling by the [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► wayside in favor of deeply vertically [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► integrated products all the way down to [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► the motherboard where you know [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► everything squished onto his few chips [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► as possible and then one company is [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► responsible for building the entire [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► system and it's not like a mix-and-match [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► thing piece mix-and-match leads to mix [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► and match as we talked about I think in [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► a show a while ago leads to devices that [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► look like typical dell laptops from a [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► few years ago and they do not look like [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► MacBook Airs of today where every single [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► part is custom and everything is [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► soldered on including the RAM and that [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► the battery is non-removable and it's [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► just a a custom-designed thing from the [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► ground up like a phone and that's [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► clearly the way things are going so you [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► know I'm not surprised by the change I [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► don't have a problem with it but some [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► people are upset alright next few bits [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► here are about what the heck Apple is [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► going to do for its next series of CPUs [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► both for max and for handheld stuffs the [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► first story is more estetica headline is [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► apple may tap TSMC to move the a series [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► mobile chips to 28 nanometer process [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► TSMC is Thailand Taiwan Semiconductor [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► Manufacturing Corporation and the [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► stories about how currently Samsung is [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► the sole source for the a5 the a6 and [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► the a6 s processors right and Samsung [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► and Apple don't particularly get along [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► lately [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► they're busy suing each other or patents [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► Samsung is busy aping the look and feel [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► of apples devices and stores and you [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► know who knows maybe they're giving [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► their employees haircuts the same as [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► apples and blight haircuts they're [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► definitely copying Apple talked about [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► this in the show where I called their [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► behavior dishonorable whether or not [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► it's illegal or immoral and I thing like [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► that it's certainly dishonorable but [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► Samsung is the only other big player in [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► the market that's making profit in the [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► smartphone business and so Apple and [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► Samsung are going head-to-head here it's [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► kind of bad when you're paying your [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► competitor billions of dollars to [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► manufacture the critical components of [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► your most popular product so I upholster [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► looking for a way out there but so far [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► Samsung has you know it's the best been [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► the best bet the best game in town for [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► manufacturing these parts and a lot of [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► the earlier parts like the a foreign [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► stuff used samsung technology samsung [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► design samsung resources to get done and [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► the a6 is moved much farther away from [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► that where apple's doing design and [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► house and trying to use sams lima like a [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► fab so they're trying to extricate [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► themselves from samsung when the [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► question is who else out there can make [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► the number of chips that that Apple [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► needs at the process they want and this [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► article speculating about them moving to [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► TSMC which is just a fab they'll make [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► your thing you give them the design [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► they'll make it for you and it's [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► possibility that's one of the places I [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► go I think we mentioned this a couple [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► shows you as well the article points out [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► that TSMC a recently rebuffed attempts [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► from both Apple and Qualcomm to gain [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► exclusive access to its fab capacity so [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► Apple and Qualcomm have both been [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► courting TSMC to say sign an exclusive [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► contract you will only make stuff for us [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► at this process note in this factory and [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► they don't want to do it because that's [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► like hemming them in they want to be a [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► free agent you know everyone comes to me [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► will will fab for the highest bidder but [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► we don't want to get locked into just [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► one bidder there so it's interesting [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► dance there and the other question is do [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► they have the capacity are they going to [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► be able to compete again they're talking [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► about 28-nanometer here they're not [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► talking about 22 which Intel's currently [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► fab again that's certainly not talking [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► about 14 which Intel is going to be [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► fabbing out by next year so they're [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► trying to make a deal for next year to [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► do 28-nanometer having the interesting [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► thing about this article and why part in [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► the show notes is that it has one of [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► those great promoted comments that are [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► technica does were they read the [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► comments and [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► mote one of the better ones so that it [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► appears alongside the article because [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► normally on our Zhou comments are hidden [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► entirely unless you click on something [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► so this one is from Sur Omega ours he is [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► a commenter and not an arse writer and [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► he says it will happen meaning that [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► Apple's going to go to TSMC but TSMC [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► needs to beef up capacity they need to [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► get on board with apple style vendor [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► financing that goes with most of apples [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► suppliers were apple fronts the money [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► for the machines in this case [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► 28-nanometer fab and then the vendor [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► pays them back over time for all the [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► chips that are made so that's the way [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► Apple does business with these things is [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► that it will put it's something we use [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► some is tremendous capital to fund the [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► creation of these things or to buy [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► machines like for the aluminum machining [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► and stuff like that and enter into sort [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► of financial dear ones like we buy the [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► stuff for you and then you pay us back [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► in the product you create I'm not sure [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► why they structure the deal this way it [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► shirts some sort of business thing cook [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► ism thing that I don't understand but [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► the two his two points are one the TSMC [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► needs tons of capacity because can be [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► very difficult to to fulfill apples [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► orders and to TSMC needs to get used to [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► this kind of financial arrangement [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► because apparently it's what Apple wants [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► and he says see the purported investment [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► in sharps new igzo LCD facilities are [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► also getting pulled into 2012 IGZO is [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► indium gallium zinc oxide show link in [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► the show notes to the Wikipedia page [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► explaining it's a process for making [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► lcds but is another type of investment [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► where Apple will front the money and [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► then you get paid back in parts that are [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► made Cyril mega RS continues based on [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► the timetables I've read for the [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► migration to 20 nanometers I don't [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► expect that Apple to get it here this [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► year Apple does a cute three launch of [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► the next iPhones and iPads we could see [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► an a7 chip built on 28 nanometer for the [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► 2013 products and a8 chip built on 20 [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► nanometer for the 2014 product so here [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► in this speculation he's saying in 2014 [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► Apple could be on 20 nanometer but it's [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► kind of depressing if you consider that [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► Intel's on 22 nanometer now and by 2013 [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► is going to be on 14 nanometer but [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► anyway continuing waiting another full [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► year for 20 nanometer is no big deal for [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► Apple since the biggest power drain is [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► out of their control the LCDs and the [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► cellular radio is consumed far more than [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► the CPU does [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► that's kind of true but like it's not [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► out of their control like that's why [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► they're trying to invest in LCD things [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► they're trying to get the the power the [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► power consumption of the LCD is now and [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► cellular radio stuff I wouldn't assume [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► that so out of their control because one [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► of the things that I thought about when [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► they said ambitious plan for [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► semiconductor is what if Apple starts to [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► get into the cell radio business to try [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► to make super low power stuff the [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► commenter continues switching to IGZO [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► and I wonderful is the way you pronounce [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► that without reading the letters anyway [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► especially to IGZO we should we should [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► leave leave that alone yes and [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► Qualcomm's third gen LTE chips will cut [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► power usage enough to make a red an ipad [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► or ipad many thin again so you're saying [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► that just by getting the lower power [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► screens and and new LTE chipsets from [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► qualcomm or whoever and a lower process [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► size that will cut power usage enough [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► for her you know things like the ipad [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► mini to go retina or four to make the [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► the big ipad thinner again even if [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► they're only on 20 nanometer by that [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► point so that is one commenters opinion [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► there i thought it was interesting next [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► article is a similar vintage it's from [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► fortune if samsung doesn't supply apples [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► processors who will so here is an [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► analyst i meet dari jaani jaani dari [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► jaani jaani like that it's a nice little [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► bullet point list of all right who if [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► it's not going to be Samsung who can fab [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► for Apple and he gives a couple choices [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► one is Intel and here is this the quote [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► about this intel has fat has three [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► foundry partners including a bunch of [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► names of companies that i'm not going to [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► try to pronounce until is currently [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► ahead of arm by one point five [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► generations plus FinFET FinFET as an [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► arrangement a physical arrangement of [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► the stuff on the silicon chip the 3d [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► transistor type thing which is a way of [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► making transistors with a different [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► different layout of layers on top of [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► each other anyway comparing 22 nanometer [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► x86 SMI chips to apples arm-based 32 [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► nanometer this gap could widen is until [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► moves to 14 nanometer production in 2014 [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► a notable dynamic would be by becoming a [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► foundry for Apple it may dilute its own [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► mobile ambitions blah blah blah so [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► there's Intel's one option we talked [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► about that last time the next is a TSMC [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► that we just talked about [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► they would have to expend a lot of money [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► to get their capacity up to apples needs [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► and then GlobalFoundries is another one [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► there apparently working on 20 nanometer [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► process but again questions about if [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► they have the capacity to fab that many [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► and the final option is go vertical what [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► have apple decides to do their own thing [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► build their own fabs he says this is [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► unlikely but you know you can't get [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► anything out when a company has a [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► hundred billion dollars and says it has [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► ambitious semiconductor plans so who [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► knows so there are some shopkins there [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► and finally the most late-breaking one [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► here is from our friend philip [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► elmer-dewitt also it for any other [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► friend of the show yes in our enter [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► Apple 2 point 0 section of their site [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► says RBC Intel and talks with Apple to [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► build iphone processors so here you go [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► this is another person from the same [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► analyst group saying a speculation you [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► are acknowledging this has been [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► speculation about until fabbing here's [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► how such a deal might work and I don't [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► know if is one of those things like [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► here's how this such a deal might work [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► int int like it's based on information [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► on that you can't say or if it's just [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► plain old speculation like I imagine [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► this is how it could work it seems to me [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► that this type of story wouldn't get [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► published if there wasn't some [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► underlying seed of truth like someone at [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► Intel mentioned that they had proposed [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► this or that they might consider it or [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► who knows but anyway the deal is it be [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► possible fantasy speculated deal is [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► until would agree to use apples [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► preferred architecture for the iPhone [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► meaning they would fab ARM chips in [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► return Apple would agree to switch to [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► x86 in the iPad we talked about last [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► show how intel has a roadmap of chips [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► that will eventually be in a power [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► envelope that can fit an iPad scale [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► device so maybe that's the deal maybe [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► until the locate look will fab your [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► chips for your little tiny phones and [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► iPods and stuff and we'll fab your arm [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► chips using our awesome process in [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► return you agree to put x86 in your [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► iPad's huh I don't know if Apple would [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► agree to that because it would be weird [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► you have to start building fat binaries [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► for the App Store and I don't know but [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► there you go and according to this [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► analyst what's his name something [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► Friedman apples demand for 12-inch [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► system-on-a-chip wafers could be not [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► that they're 12 inch chips but the [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► wafers or 12 inch [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► could approach 415,000 outstripping [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► Samsung's ability to supply so be this [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► question keeps coming up not just [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► because apple hates Samsung but it seems [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► like Samsung doesn't even have the fab [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► capacity to manufacture as many chips as [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► Apple's going to need in 2013 so they [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► got to go to somebody so I mean [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► obviously Samsung could increase its fab [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► capacity but seems like apples looking [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► for a way out and so they're looking for [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► someone with more capacity and he says [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► we believe that intel has the upper hand [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► due to limitations of capacity at the [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► alternative sources chiefly TSMC and [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► GlobalFoundries so this is why he's this [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► analyst is leaning on the Intel can I [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► was like look no we don't think anyone [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► else has the capacity no matter how much [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► money Apple spends on it i guess if they [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► build them new fabs and stuff like that [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► the apples best bet is Intel because [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► intel has the capacity we talked about [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► in LA intel has been expanding its [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► capacity of its 14 animator things [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► seemingly far beyond what it needs to [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► manufacture its own stuff perhaps in [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► preparation for to say hey Apple you [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► know we're not only we have the best [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► process we also have the most capacity [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► let's do a deal but those x86 trips in [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► the iPad and we'll fab your arm chips [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► more stuff to watch and finally on the [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► Intel topic finally on the Intel top [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► this is our good old anonymous source [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► from last show back with some more all [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► right bits yes love this guy or Guzman [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► we don't know it we're just gonna go [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► with guys via the gender-neutral [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► anonymous choice right now um last show [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► i talked about how as well was like a [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► slightly wider architecture than the Ivy [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► Bridge chips it wasn't a big radical [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► change he replied back with some other [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► additional changes that he thought were [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► significant I still say they're not as [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► significant as like you know the change [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► from netburst decor or whatever but [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► they're worth noting as well adds fused [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► multiply ad or f MA as it's often [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► abbreviated which is the feature the [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► PowerPC chaps I think altivec had for [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► ages ago was one of those things that we [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► set out as an advantage of the old [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► PowerPC architecture but anyway fuse [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► multiply ad is where it was what it [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► sounds like you you multiply two [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► products two numbers together and you [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► take the product that multiplication and [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► you add it to an accumulator and it's a [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► very common operation [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► doing like lots of 3d math and vector [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► math and stuff like that and if you make [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► hardware for it where you can say do do [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► a fuse multiply ad and it's like a [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► single instruction instead of having to [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► multiply the two numbers together take [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► the resultant edge or another one it's [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► common enough that it's worth being [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► built into hardware and so as well has [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► that and I think it's part of a VX to a [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► VX is there vector extension that that's [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► you know we had SSC one two or three and [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► four now they've got a B X and avx2 so [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► you can see how that's going and he says [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► this has huge implications for [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► high-performance computing which is [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► probably true and also there's software [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► trent not software to the actual menu [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► hardware support for transactional [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► memory transactional memory is confusing [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► and esoteric I've put a link into the [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► show notes for Ars Technica article [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► titled transactional memory going [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► mainstream with intel has as well the [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► I'll try to summarize transactional [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► memory the gist of transactional memory [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► is rather than the old way of when you [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► have multiple threads modifying the same [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► data structures in memory of like having [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► a lock were some guy grabs and locking [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► Sissoko everyone else I've got the lock [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► I'm gonna fiddle with this data [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► structure and it fiddles with it secure [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► that no one else could possibly be [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► fiddling with it because they would all [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► try to grab the lock and he has it [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► thinks it's nope you can't grab block [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► I've got it when he's done he releases [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► the lock and then someone else goes oh I [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► need the lock and grabs the lock [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► modifies the memory and so on so forth [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► lock based you know resolving contention [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► with the lock is all well and good [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► except this is problems about how [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► granular do you make the locks like do [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► you put a lock on an entire giant data [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► structure you just put locks on little [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► parts of it and is you know does the [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► lock block out everybody in the entire [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► universe or just blocks out people who [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► want to my brother by this one section [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► so lock granularity is a problem also [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► writing lock based code like writing the [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► code for it if you if you have someone [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► forget to grab the lock and they just [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► modify it accidentally you've got a [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► problem so you have to make sure [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► everyone grabs lock make sure locks are [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► grabbed on the right order or else you [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► get deadlock and all the other things [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► that are difficult to deal with so [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► transactional memory is supposed to be [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► so it's sometimes called like lock free [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► programming where you don't try to grab [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► a lock and what happens that everyone [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► just tries to do everything at once with [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► the idea that in most cases there won't [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► be a conflict because the lock thing is [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► like always preventative like oh if [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► anything goes wrong you know we [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► something we could [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► conflict with each other so I better [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► grab this lock and maybe it's the case [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► that there would have been no conflict [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► in the car it's like cars going through [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► an intersection with no traffic light [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► maybe they do subtle will sail past each [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► other and no one would have hit each [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► other would have been fine why does [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► everyone always have to have this lock [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► as it slows down traffic so [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► transactional memory is like no box just [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► try to do what you were going to do and [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► then the CPU keeps track in this case [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► hardware transactional memory the CPU [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► keeps track of whether there actually [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► was a collision so everybody just tries [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► to do what they're going to do and at [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► the end of it says all right everyone [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► did what they were going to do did [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► someone else try to do something at the [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► same time you were doing it and if they [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► did they'll say oops oh that didn't work [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► out we had a collision it will roll back [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► everything you did and say you've got to [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► try that over because you had a [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► collision it's sort of like optimistic [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► locking but not really but anyway it's a [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► way for you for the programmer to write [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► their programs without having to grab [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► locks and everything as long as they can [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► handle the fact that in there in the [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► hopefully rare case where there is a [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► collision they will just be asked to [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► retry their operation it's like it's [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► basically the opposite is expecting [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► there not to be a conflict and handling [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► when there is instead of expecting there [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► to be a conflict in preventing it from [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► ever happen and so this as well has this [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► as hardware support with this feature [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► and it does it in a particularly clever [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► way such the same binary can run [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► correctly on both ships that do and [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► don't support transactional memory [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► features so they have like a little [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► prefix on their instructions and Haswell [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► processors will honor the prefix and use [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► the transactional memory stuff and the [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► rollback stuff but other processes will [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► ignore the prefix and just treated as a [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► locked command so you can write the same [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► code and an old process it just runs [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► like lock code like all these things [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► crowd to grab grab the lock and wait if [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► they can't get it and you know works the [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► old way but has well process it will try [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► to do the transaction of everything and [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► you know roll everything back of it [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► conflicted but if it didn't it'll sail [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► right through so i have my own personal [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► doubts about the practical usefulness of [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► transactional memory as do many other [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► people because it's been implemented in [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► software before and has not set the [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► world on fire despite the theoretical [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► usefulness of it may be implementing a [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► hardware will help but i'm not sure how [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► many people use these features or how [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► many people have code that is a [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► contention bound or that actually maybe [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► the locking code as annoying it is to [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► the right maybe it will actually still [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► perform better or maybe it's more [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► difficult to handle the conflict cases [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► in the case [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► transaction ah don't know but it's there [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► so that's a speculative feature and it [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► may turn out to be significant and may [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► just be like oh well I didn't quite work [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► out and also the cache bandwidth on as [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► well has doubled without any latency [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► penalty this person like to point out so [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► I put a link in the show notes that [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► anonymous recommended to the real world [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► tech article on the haswell cpu [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► architecture you can read all about it [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► oh and one more thing about I imagine [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► else unless show about has well being [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► able to wake up and sleep really quickly [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► as a way to save memory by keeping [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► everything shut down and I also [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► mentioned how until was you know on [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► people but voltage regulators and stuff [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► like that why voltage reg goes keep [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► coming up but I must have read this and [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► had it in the back of my mind why was [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► such an issue is that Intel's Haswell [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► has an on divulge regulator and that [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► allows it to wake up and sleep even more [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► quickly because I'm die but also it [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► allows it to make sure that the chip is [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► only using the voltage that it actually [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► needs to do whatever its being asked to [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► you so if half the chip is shut down [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► because you know you don't need those [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► execution units for this particular [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► micro second or whatever it's kind of a [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► shame if the voltage regulator is still [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► sending the chip like the full voltage [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► it would normally need if everything was [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► turned on so that source says the real [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► benefit is that it allows Intel to [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► throttle voltage very quickly so we can [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► operate at the most efficient voltage [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► for the for the given workload and since [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► vaulted has a quadratic effect on the [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► power consumption it's great that you [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► know it's not just linear if you have [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► the voltage you have not just have the [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► power as also you know a nice savings of [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► having thing on die instead of having a [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► separate chip or whatever so it's [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► another advantage of has well there and [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► finally this is this is the most [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► interesting part of this anonymous [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► feedback last show I spent a little [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► while talking about tick tock and how I [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► thought it was weird like one thing was [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► a tick when I thought it should be a [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► talk because it seemed to me that it was [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► like tick the important thing and then [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► talk and then tick and then the little [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► talk and I expected tick to be like Oh a [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► brand new architecture and then talk [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► would be just be shrinking and many [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► people sent me mnemonics to remember it [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► saying well tick has an eye in it and [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► shrink has an ISO tick is the shrink or [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► just remember is the opposite of the way [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► you think it is or whatever but this [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► source says the reason in dell has tick [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► first is that it thinks it was so [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► was a manufacturing company first and a [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► design house second so the reason tick [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► is the important thing like they agree [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► apparently agree with me that tick is [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► like the big important thing and that's [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► the shrink the shrinking is the [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► important part look at us we're Intel [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► we've shrunk process again now the [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► smallest feature size has gone down the [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► talk is yet we'll make new architecture [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► or whatever but tick you know we'll do [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► another shrink at another example the [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► source says is that intel says tape in [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► instead of taping out we heard the term [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► taping out never heard that never come [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► on no you build pcs yours know what I [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► heard now tapping out yeah that's [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► different so taping out is when you're [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► done designing a processor I think it [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► has to do with in that use actual tape [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► to sort of lay out how the chip was [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► going to be laid out but anyway the term [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► holds on it so you're done designing how [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► the process is going to do you tape out [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► and you send this design to your fab and [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► they build the thing that you've taped [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► out right an Intel calls it taping in [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► the source so this is probably help it [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► at healthy attitude because Intel didn't [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► have a process advantage there's not [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► much the design team could do to keep [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► x86 competitive with the arm ecosystem [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► at this point so taping inverse is [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► taping out it's a difference in mindset [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► there's no different than what actually [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► happens like they still you know send [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► the design to the fabric Intel design [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► files are converted to fab file formats [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► verified by the fab and then the masks [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► are created the difference is in mindset [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► in design shops they tape out to the fab [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► when the fab receives them they tape in [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► so Intel calls it tape in as a way of [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► making teams understand how until [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► identifies itself it's taping in they [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► get you know Intel gets the design from [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► all those designer guys who actually [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► make the chip taping in to us Intel [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► Intel doesn't tape out to anyone they [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► tape in from the people who designed the [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► chips so it's interesting and I had I [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► would not have guessed that Intel [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► thought of itself this way I would have [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► thought of thought that Intel probably [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► found itself as a great designer of [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► chips that happens to have great fabs [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► and this source seems to say that Intel [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► thinks of itself as an amazing [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► manufacturer that just happens to have a [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► team of people who design chips it did [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► then manufacturers after they tape in [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► the designs tap it out and and this is I [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► didn't plan this but here you go right [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► after it the we're going to the [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► miscellaneous follow up about tape cell [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► scotch tape I thought we'd put this to [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► bed no not possible apparently some [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► follow up on the bed oh I'd mentioned [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► the sticky back plastic and that some TV [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► show was ridiculed for using sticky back [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► plastic this clarification from Mike [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► Richmond says sticky back plastic refers [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► to fab lon I think it's a name brand [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► it's the generic name for the you know [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► the brand name is fab lon it's think [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► about plastic as a generic name the BBC [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► show that was infamous for using sticky [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► back plastic was called Blue Peter and [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► it seemed to require it for almost all [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► day Aug that implement shows yes it was [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► the frequent usage of sticky back [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► plastic which was the subject of [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► derision and parody not the fact that [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► they were using the term to mean sticky [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► tape biggest Iggy back plastic is like a [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► big clear plastic sheet that happens to [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► be sticky it's not tape and so I googled [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► what the hell blue peter is and [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► apparently the wikipedia page says the [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► first broadcast in 1958 is the world's [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► longest-running children's television [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► program but then they spelled program [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► with an e because you know it's British [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► yeah they're fancy over there yeah so [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► there you go stinky back plastic not the [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► same thing as sticky tape or sellotape [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► show that used it not ridiculed for [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► using the term but because they use the [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► material all the time and apparently the [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► name brand is fab lon babe blonde fat [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► blonde battlin sure yeah and finally the [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► last people's piece of follow-up boy [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► this is a follow-up heavy shower I would [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► like to wish happy birthday to joshua [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► jones AKA mine fat who was in our chat [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► room right now Wow maker of nintendo [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► icons uh uh that i collected way back in [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► my youth and i saw him in a chat room [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► and asked if he was the guy who made [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► them and he said yes and he sent me a [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► big archive of all his icons and i love [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► icons i love nintendo and i know it's [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► his birthday fix his friend emailed me [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► and told me his friend did not provide a [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► pronunciation guide for his name but [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► i'll go for it anyway achille kenyatta [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► sent me an email and said that joshua [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► jones really appreciate it we got a [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► happy birthday greeting even though this [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► is not as he noted a radio call-in show [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► where we have birthday shoutouts to be [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► that would i have like a little like a [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► little thing for that yeah it's probably [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► too late in the history that showed us [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► to add that though that's not the [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► morning zoo yeah i know you want to do [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► the mornings if I do will you be on that [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► no [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► don't be i won't be on the morning [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► anything ok ah but there you go happy [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► birthday to mine fat all right we got [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► take a breather here how why don't ya [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► you do need one why don't we do is [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► second is it time was it appropriate [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► time it's it's time it is the right time [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► I've got all your links open so [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► everything's a little turned around tell [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► you about shutterstock.com where you [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► find over 20 million stock photos they [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► got vectors they got you they got your [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► illustrations they got your video clips [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► but what they are they're really cool [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► they work with tons and tons of [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► independent content creators all around [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► the world whether they're photographers [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► or people who draw stuff and they make [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► all of this stuff available to you it's [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► very very easy to search for the thing [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► that you're looking for why would you [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► want this maybe get an iOS app maybe [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► you're building a website maybe you want [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► something for your mug or your tote bag [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► doesn't matter they have something that [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► will work for you maybe it's a [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► presentation maybe you're about to go [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► pitch your your new idea buildings you [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► building one of those decks and you got [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► the VC sitting there you want to show [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► them some cool tons of reasons why you [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► might want to look at this stuff they [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► make it really easy to find everything [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► and organize it into these light boxes [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► and then you can take these light boxes [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► and you can share them and share them [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► with other people on your team you can [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► share with your friends whatever it is [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► they can all work together they'd all [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► work together to come up with something [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► that'll be perfect then you put it [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► together as a package then you buy it [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► they give you the high high high [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► resolution stuff it's just one price for [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► everything they don't nickel and dime [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► you and it's more affordable than you [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► might think they have an iPad app by the [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► way that makes this lightbox and [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► curation stuff really easy then they got [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► 24 hour support during the week you [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► don't need to give them anything so just [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► go there and browse and check it out and [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► doing that will help support this show [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► to help support the whole network so you [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► go do shutterstock.com and browse around [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► when you figure out the thing that you [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► want to get use the code Dan sent me 11 [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► dan sent me a lemon and you'll get [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► thirty percent off which is big so go [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► check it out shutterstock.com dan sent [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► me 11 thanks very much to shutterstock [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► for making these shows possible you're [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► saying you know you used to build your [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► deck I'm like why would you need stock [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► photos to build a deck like oh okay [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► all right not it not a wooden deck back [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► at your house so the kids call it these [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► days you get to build your deck now [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► isn't the kids say yeah I just want to [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► clarify that joshua jones his birthday [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► is on december third it's not today but [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► hey who knows maybe what time you're [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► listening to this it will be december [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► third if you were thinking of sending [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► him a card / gift or were you or [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► anything because he does like Nintendo [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► and I'm not sin all right just track [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► just you all right so the topic for [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► today's show the one and only lonely [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► topic hmm I could be long and it could [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► be a short one okay I know it's not blue [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► peter know that is a funny name it is [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► funny no it's not blue peter although a [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► lot of things a lot of British things [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► sound like unintentional innuendos to [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► American people this is the times like [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► this when you wish from are one of us [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► here I knew to riff on blue peter north [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► yeah no one no one does it better no no [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► one does need sexual innuendo dance [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► better than better than Maryland does [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► yes sir if only if only saying his name [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► three times made him appear less or made [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► him go away it's that doesn't work to [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► non one smelled to go no one does know [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► once you call him out he's there to help [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► it's like Bill juice yeah now John [TS]