Hypercritical

00:00:00 ◼   ► I hate you and everything you say about [TS]

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00:00:04 ◼   ► of any of your feelings or interest this [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► is hypercritical a weekly talk show [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► riemann a ting on exactly what is wrong [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► in the world of Apple and related [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► technologies and businesses nothing is [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► so perfect that can't be complained [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► about by my friend and yours host of [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► this show John siracusa I'm Dan Benjamin [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► today is wednesday december 5th 2012 [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► this is our 97th episode closing in on [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► the inevitable like to say thanks very [TS]

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00:01:31 ◼   ► software.com / 5 by 5 how are you today [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► John I'm doing fine got follow-up today [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► we have follow-up and then we have we're [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► going to have an opportunity to ask you [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► some questions that were a couple for me [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► but most of them submitted from our [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► listeners over Twitter because this is [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► the QA episode if you will the [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► long-anticipated Q&A episode yeah i [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► think it was like why did episode 95 or [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► something like that when i said we've [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► announced the end of the show I said one [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► of the episodes was gonna be a Q&A [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► episode but it wouldn't tell you which [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► one it would be mostly because I didn't [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► and this week we're recording early [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► because you're travelling right on our [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► usual day so this is a perfect time to [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► do it because you know we only had but [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► last show was on Friday and now it's [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► Wednesday so I don't have the normal [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► enough time to collect and prepare a [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► topic for the show so this is the [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► perfect time to do a Q&A show and it is [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► that it for the record it says this is [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► not a stump John kind of show these [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► questions they're not geared at throwing [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► you you know things you will you'll have [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► to be put on the spot to answer from [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► like a technological knowledge base [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► standpoint they're there questions about [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► you the man the man there whatever [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► anyone wants to ask but if I don't know [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► I'm just gonna say i don't know and [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► that'll be boring questionable just you [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► know I'm won't ask anything like that [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► move on they don't have to be about it [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► can be about anything ask me anything [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► because I can always simply not answer [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► and I would like to say thanks very much [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► to my producer Hattie cook for helping [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► curate your favorite word curate and [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► cull the list of questions or many many [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► people responded when I put it out there [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► on Twitter and she helped picked help me [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► pick some of the very very best [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► questions so get ready John I hope next [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► year like the word of the year will be [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► curing like curing meats because cured [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► meats are much better than curated [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► things that's that's gonna be the word [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► of the year and I'm by the way feel it [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► in this show like this this is supposed [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► to be questions from the audience from [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► the chat room from people on Twitter [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► people email you or whatever this does [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► not count as the as you asking me [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► questions so I said there also might be [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► a show where I say all right Dan now [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► it's time for you to ask me stuff and [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► yes this this is not that show so don't [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► think you're getting just because you're [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► like sneaking in a few of your own [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► questions it doesn't mean you get it [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► well how about this i will remove my own [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► questions these will be one hundred [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► percent crowdsource questions done but [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► yeah it's a that's up to you if you want [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► to reserve them for if if you you may be [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► called upon to do this you may not be [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► maybe we will never have that show we [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► don't know huh so use your own judgment [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► alright but first we have to do [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► follow-up of course ah and we do have a [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► reasonable sized chunk of bat from last [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► week i guess we'll start with some more [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► about chip stuff and intel and AMD and [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► arm and all that that has been going on [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► for the past few shows this for [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► bit is an anonymous bit of feedback from [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► someone who calls himself Scott [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► anonymous Scott if you want to be [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► anonymous you shouldn't you shouldn't [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► put your name Scott there if that is [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► your moment not full and an image he [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► write half he says that he works at [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► Intel and that they call it taping out [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► not taping it so now we have a battle of [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► the anonymous sources one says he works [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► at Intel and they call taping out and [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► the other one is just merely anonymous [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► and says they call it taping in so i [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► don't know maybe you anonymous people [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► should find each other in the intel [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► lunch room or wherever you might want to [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► meet and hash it out cuz i don't know [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► what to think i'm just going by it based [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► on your feedback so so there you have it [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► he says they called taping out Peter [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► Evans wrote in about the term taping out [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► which I'll a show i said i'm not sure [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► what the origin of that term is but i [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► imagine had something to do with real [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► physical tape my guess was that it had [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► to do with like laying down pieces of [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► tape to lay out where like the traces [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► might go in the ancient myths of time [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► but that's apparently wrong so Peter [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► Evans up gave me some history here he [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► says historically this referred to [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► actually shipping a magnetic tape [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► containing the files on it for making [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► the bullet with a photolithography [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► graphs no photo lithography masks mmm to [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► the family so like a magnetic tape like [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► you know as a storage medium for digital [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► data and that's what tapping out means [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► and he says that the file format for [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► this tape was something called GDS which [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► is an unbelievably arcane relic of 1970s [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► and is gradually being replaced [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► throughout the industry that was taking [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► far too long soon as nowadays they [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► usually securely email or ftp the files [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► and that's the modern version email or [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► ftp those are the two modern choices [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► instead of sending a tape over i would [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► say that both email FTP are also ancient [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► things that should be you know relegated [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► to the dustbin a digital history [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► particularly ftp but really like if your [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► Intel and you have like the next design [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► for your you know next super duper [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► processor do you want to email it like [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► all it's a secure email we put it in a [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► password-protected zip file and we send [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► it through gmail i will use ftp with a [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► with clear text passwords i'm sure [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► that's great anyway so there you have it [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► taping out even though they may or may [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► not actually use [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► tapes these days that's what it refers [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► to taking putting your data onto tape [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► and sending it out to the fat on the [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► glass show talking about the possibility [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► of i think it was Apple contracting out [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► TSMC to do their fabbing and how there [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► was rumors about that and how part of [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► one of the stories that was reading [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► about that deal said that TSMC would [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► have to get used to the way Apple likes [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► to fund how does financially structure [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► these type of deals where they do the [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► more like apple buys the equipment up [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► front for the people and then they get [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► paid back in the chips that they [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► manufacture and the reason most of the [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► reason I was confused by this is because [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► why I don't know what what the financial [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► reason is behind this arrangement but be [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► the article phrased it as TSMC would [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► have to get used to this like oh [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► normally we wouldn't do stuff like this [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► but Apple wants this strange sort of [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► deal and it seems like why would why [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► would TSMC object to someone structuring [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► the dealer's ways it works for them so [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► I'm still not entirely sure on a bed [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► Trevor hardi verdun to explain why deals [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► might be structured this way it makes [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► perfect sense in terms of the the [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► financials doesn't make sense to me in [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► terms of that article saying why someone [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► might object to this but the gist of it [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► is that doing semiconductor [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► manufacturing has very very large [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► upfront purchase costs like to build a [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► fab at any particular feature size cost [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► literally billions of dollars just you [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► know you have to just put that money out [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► front before you get the first chip off [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► the thing so you just need a huge amount [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► of capital its liquid that you can put [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► down or you know get a loan or whatever [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► and you need to build the thing and then [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► finally when the thing is built [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► presuming you built the right thing at [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► the right time and the right place can [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► get customers then finally you can start [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► making money off of it so if you are say [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► a low-margin semiconductor manufacturing [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► business you might not have multiple [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► billions of dollars hanging around or [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► you might not want to take out the kind [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► of big alone whereas Apple comes in with [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► its you know forty percent profit [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► margins and multiple billions of dollars [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► in the bank make us a look I know you [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► don't want to take the financial risk to [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► build this fab or whatever will put the [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► money up front will give you this money [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► you build the fab and then you'll pay it [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► back to us by you know making a you know [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► chips or whatever your financial region [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► is so like they'll front them [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► for you and I'm sure apple extracts you [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► know lower profit margins for this let [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► me conduct your manufacturer based on [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► that or whatever so maybe that's why [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► they don't like the deal but anyway [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► that's that and I'll does that with lots [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► of other manufactures not just [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► semiconductors like they do the thing [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► you know we'll buy them we'll put the [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► expenditures upfront to buy these metal [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► machining tools or whatever to do these [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► precise machining of aluminum and stuff [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► and then we'll buy you the tools you put [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► them in your factory and you turn them [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► out so anybody this is all speculative [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► biggest no such deal has yet taken place [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► but this is trevor Hardy's explanation [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► of why the deal might be arranged this [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► way and of course you know why diff [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► Apple has money why don't they just do [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► with themselves fault presumably the fab [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► the people who run the fab have [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► expertise in manufacturing you know [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► Apple just has the money and they'll [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► give it to those guys and say all they [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► know you know how to build their fabs [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► and how to run them and stuff like that [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► emoto's front the money from Jarrod [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► Williams wrote in to talk about AMD and [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► how we talk about you know what if apple [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► bought AMD what were they get out of it [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► would be good idea or bad idea said if [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► anyone buys AMD AMD has to renegotiate [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► its cross license agreement with Intel [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► and this is I'm assuming Jared learned [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► this from the exact same place that I [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► learned it which is the anandtech [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► podcast I put a link to it in the show [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► it's because it's a good one to listen [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► to lots of great technical info I mean [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► if you don't like hearing about if you [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► think I when it's zoom in detail the [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► chip stuff you probably won't like this [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► podcast but even getting go into enough [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► detail you were like this point right [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► and so I listened to one of the recent [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► episodes will they talked about AMD and [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► so I am being then to have a cross [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► license agreement you know lots of [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► companies have these where they get in [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► some code of patent dispute or [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► intellectual property dispute and they [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► come to an agreement they say okay you [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► can use our intellectual property and we [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► can use yours some limited subsets or [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► whatever and we won't see each other [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► whatever will go forward but part of the [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► deal is apparently if either company [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► gets bought by anybody if Intel changes [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► ownership or if AMD changes ownership [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► that deal is off and has to be [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► renegotiated or not or whatever you know [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► but that deal is null and void and you [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► know so if anyone buys AMD you know [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► you're not automatically getting for [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► example the ability [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► make x86 processors because your [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► agreement with Intel let you do that is [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► gone and now you have to renegotiate it [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► and similarly if AMD or intel gets [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► bought Intel's ability I'm assuming and [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► the antec pod tech podcast assume as [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► well that Intel's ability to use x86 64 [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► the 64-bit instruction set extension [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► invented by AMD and used in all of [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► Intel's modern desktop processors and [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► laptop processors uh until needs that to [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► be part of its business so it's not like [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► if someone buys it all bets are off and [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► then you know tough luck if someone buys [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► you the company those the two parties [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► are going to renegotiate because they [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► need each other like they each have [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► something of the person wants the Intel [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► is no good without the ability to make [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► x86 64 and AMD is probably no good [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► without the ability to make x86 chips so [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► they both have all sorts of super done [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► patents I'm sure and plus other [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► intellectual property based on the stuff [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► they've invented but that's one more [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► monkey wrench in the possible theories [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► about someone buying AMD and by the way [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► who listen to that antec podcast about [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► AMD they paint a pretty dire picture of [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► where AMD is like they've already sold [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► off all the things they can sell off to [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► to make quick to make a quick buck [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► they're not well positioned in the [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► market and they're running out of money [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► fast and it doesn't look like their [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► pipeline has any blockbuster products [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► they're going to pull them up out of it [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► so it was a pretty depressing podcast if [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► you're hopeful for the future of AMD and [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► last week talked about Intel's [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► transactional memory features that [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► they've put in as well and presumably [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► all future chips but we'll say and [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► someone with the funny name ghee in [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► glaze a right sent to tell me that [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► transactional memory is probably more [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► useful in the kernel than in user space [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► code so like the kernel maintains lots [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► of shared resources like the unified [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► buffer cache where it you know caches [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► access to files and other things like [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► that in memory and lots of other [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► processes need to manipulate that that [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► cash because they all go into kernel [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► space and do that and years ago as he [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► points out Mac os10 used to have just [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► one big giant lock around anything if [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► you go and do anything with like the the [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► buffer cache you go in there you grab [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► one [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► locking everyone else has blocked out [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► even if they weren't even gonna touch [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► anywhere near where you're going to [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► touch and that's sort of you know [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► coarse-grained locking it's not [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► particularly good for concurrency [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► because say all you know there's five [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► processes that want to screw with this [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► thing and they're really not going to [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► overlap at all but if we have as coarse [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► grain locking only one of them can do at [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► a time so Mac os10 has been making finer [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► grain locking over time to sit okay well [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► these guys really aren't going to [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► conflict with each other we can have [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► these smaller locks onto these smaller [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► areas and then they can both go at the [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► same time and that's great especially [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► multi-core CPUs but with transactional [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► memory in theory you could rewrite this [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► parts of the kernel to use the hardware [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► transactional memory features and say [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► okay everyone just go at once and if any [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► of you actually have a collision then [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► yeah you'll get rolled back and have to [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► do locking stuff or whatever but inmate [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► and need hopefully more common case [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► where there are no collisions no one has [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► to grab any locks at all like you know [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► sixteen virtual cores can be having [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► processes running that are messing with [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► this part of the colonel so so we'll see [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► I mean like lots of speculative hardware [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► features they think will be good for [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► some theoretical kinds of workloads you [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► have to this two things one you have to [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► see how many real-world workloads [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► actually conform to this theoretical [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► thing they'll be better and to you have [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► to get people to actually rewrite their [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► software to take advantage of your cool [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► new features or tweak your software do [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► something or at least recompile it you [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► know depending on how I the bar so we'll [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► see how where that goes oh and he also [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► says that he grew up on blue peter in [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► England and he loved that show mm-hmm [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► many Blue Peter fans writing and in fact [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► this next bit of follow-up from David [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► Meyers is about Blue Peter beginning [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► beginning the Blue Peter section of the [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► faulkner try to turn this down ah so he [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► says that despite all our laughing he [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► says sniggering about the name Blue [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► Peter it's actually named after the [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► maritime signaling flag representing the [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► letter P I put a link in the show notes [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► to Wikipedia page of international [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► maritime signal flags he says when flown [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► in the harbor it means all persons [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► should report on board as the vessel is [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► about to proceed to see which is the [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► show creators way of saying program is [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► like a ship setting out on a voyage [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► having new adventures and discovering [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► new things so it's like everybody aboard [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► the board and by the way David Myers and [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► that paragraph spelled Harbor with an O [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► you are in the end and program with an e [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► at the end proving that he is a bona [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► fide person from across the pond right [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► that's all you need to do to prove that [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► to us yes there's open oh you are I [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► guess who else would do that no one yeah [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► and I he also provided a link to the [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► Blue Peter FAQ for people who want to [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► know more about Blue Peter he says [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► having grown up in the 60s in the UK [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► with only a couple of channels on TV and [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► only one hour per day of children's [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► television Blue Peter was a major [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► influence on the formative years of many [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► of my generation and I can attest from [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► the feedback of that is true many people [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► wrote in simply to say that they watch [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► blue peter and they loved it as a kid so [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► there you go it's like the British [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► Sesame Street I still didn't actually go [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► to youtube and like trying to look up an [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► episode to see what it was like so I [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► just like imagining what it's like in my [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► head and not actually knowing uh okay [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► actually that was the end of the Blue [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► Peter section a little bit about the wii [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► u from someone named Christopher whose [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► last name I could not find he provided a [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► link to a YouTube show channel thing [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► whatever called the way games work I [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► watched a little bit of it and I look [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► like it was pretty good this is about [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► how the Wii U gamepad works talks about [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► capacitive touchscreens and gyroscopes [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► and it's not particularly techie but [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► it's you know if you want sort of a fun [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► high level overview of how the stuff [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► inside the gamepad works you should [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► check it out it's in the show notes to [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► software update things one new one old [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► the first one is I wanted to mention [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► that the new version of BB edit is out [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► even though they're not sponsoring this [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► episode yes they well they have they [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► have in the past so it you know even [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► even if they hadn't we're not going to [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► not talk about it that's right and this [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► is noteworthy because this is a version [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► B be at a 10.5 it's a free update for [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► people who own baby out of 10 i believe [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► and it includes retina support which [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► means that if you have a mac with a [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► retina screen everything is rendered at [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► the higher resolution and that doesn't [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► sound like such a big deal like so what [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► lots of apps are updated for retina [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► support it's kind of a big deal because [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► bbedit depending on your definition of [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► the term is pretty much a carbon [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► application carbon [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► is the legacy Mac API that was created [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► to allow people who had classic mac OS [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► applications to more easily port them to [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► Mac OS 10 and it became legacy when [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► Apple decided that they're not going to [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► provide a 64-bit version of carbon so [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► they would continue to support [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► carbon-carbon appt cebu continue to run [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► but if you wanted your app to be 64 bit [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► it couldn't be carbon this is despite [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► the fact that it are you Donna stantial [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► portion of the work to get 64-bit carbon [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► working so it wasn't a technical problem [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► was more of a political one it said look [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► Coco is the future all your apps should [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► be written in Cocoa going forward uh [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► where you know we're cutting off carbon [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► and that happened many years ago things [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► like Photoshop had since ported [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► themselves to Coco the real difficulty [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► is figure out what do you mean but [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► what's a cocoa app and what's a carbon [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► app like if you look at almost any [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► modern application you'll see that they [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► link to the carbon framework and the [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► cocoa frameworks because even cocoa [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► applications need to call into things [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► that you know could arguably be defined [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► as carbon api's and most modern carbon [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► apps also linked to the cocoa frameworks [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► and so like you know is it is it a cocoa [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► app yeah you know if it you know is an [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► MS application and runs through that [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► type of loop is it a carbon out because [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► it uses carbon events so you know [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► there's lots of different ways you can [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► define it but the bottom line is it [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► bbedit as an application that's been [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► around for ages for what 30 years 20 [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► years I forget they had a recent [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► anniversary and I forget how many years [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► it is but this application was a rat was [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► originally distributed on floppy disk to [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► let you know how old it is well and so [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► it's been continuously developed for all [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► those years uh and so obviously you know [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► you can't really say well why do you [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► guys have a carbon code base was you [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► know the app was shipped in like [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► nineteen ninety-two like there was no [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► nothing back then there was a different [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► world and so this is still the same [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► application more or less continuously [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► developed and they managed to find a way [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► somehow through black magic to make [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► their application support retina [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► displays does that mean they converted [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► the application to cocoa does that mean [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► they found a way to draw on retina [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► displays with carbon I don't know the [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► technical details someday if you have [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► rich seagull on one of your interior [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► shows you can ask him yeah I'm [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► definitely an ask him about people who [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► asked me about that I directed them to [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► rich he can reveal his secrets or not [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► but the point is it's real it's shipping [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► it's even in the mac app store I believe [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► the old version certainly we're on [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► assume this won't be as well I don't [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► even have a Retina screen I'm a BB at a [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► beta tester so I've been running it for [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► a while but it's not like the only [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► feature baby at 10.5 is retina support [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► it also has a tremendous amount of new [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► features as all new versions of baby I [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► to do I put a link into the typically [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► copious bare-bones release notes does [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► the name of the company it's not saying [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► that three thought release notes or bare [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► bones in fact quite the opposite so if [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► you want to see all the new features [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► that are in there even if you don't have [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► a Retina screen check it out I guess [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► that it's free update for anyone who has [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► the most recent major version of VPN it [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► finally on software notes this is a [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► question this is kind of like getting [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► into the QA show a little early but not [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► really from Don liebes or Don lives from [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► a long time ago he said that uh many [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► episodes ago I talked about quicken and [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► my inability to run it I think it was [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► like an ability to run on lion or maybe [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► was the ability to run the mountain lion [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► or something like that everyone quick [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► and wouldn't run on modern max maybe [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► because they didn't have an x86 port and [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► line dropped the oh yeah Rosetta yes [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► there was that weird in-between time [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► yeah and I said like okay well you know [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► I could run it in you know virtual [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► machine running snow leopard or [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► something or I could keep a machine and [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► not upgraded to lion and run it there [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► and you know or I could you know look [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► for other things people like oh well you [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► know if you're looking for other or [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► software applications here's a buzzer [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► suggestions and if you pick one tell us [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► what you picked on the air so Donna's [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► asking whatever happened with that what [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► did you do did you change to use a [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► different application and you stop using [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► quick and whatever i'm not sure if I [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► mentioned this on past shows but its [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► figures worth following up on now before [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► the show ends what I ended up doing was [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► apparently waiting long enough and then [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► into it came out of her with a version [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► of quicken for the mac that ran on lion [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► and i just bought that it was like a $13 [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► upgrade or whatever was so i did not get [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► off a quick and i'm still using quicken [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► its quicken for mac 2007 which tells you [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► the vintage this program but it does run [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► on modern max at least around online I [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► it still runs a mountain lion like I [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► launched it the other day in mountain [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► lion maybe there's some features don't [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► work in mountain lion or some features [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► are buggy I don't know we I'm very [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► limited user of Quicken we just [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► basically use it to track a bunch of [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► numbers not using any of the fancy [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► online stuff or any other features so so [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► there you have it the depressing non [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► exciting conclusion to my quest for a [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► finance program I'm still using quick in [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► 2007 all right and the final section of [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► fall before we get to the QA guys going [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► to be all about the geek culture stuff [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► doesn't let let's just say that the [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► outpouring of responses about that [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► episode has been more that I feel than [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► any any episode that you've done maybe [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► with the exception of your Steve Jobs [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► Isaacson book uh episode yeah I expected [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► to get a whole bunch of hate mail and [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► sort of true to form like as soon as the [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► show was over and you know stop [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► recording I quit skype like the first [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► email to arrive was a not complimentary [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► and I'm like all right here it comes but [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► really that was like the exception most [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► of the feedback was positive I always [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► kind of feel like for like blog posts or [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► podcasts and stuff like that it's kind [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► of cheating when you when you do a topic [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► that people have an emotional connection [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► to know like all that was great like the [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► Steve Jobs show why do people like that [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► it's because i was particularly [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► insightful or articulate no it's just [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► that people have an emotional connection [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► to Steve Jobs so when you talk about it [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► triggers the emotions in them and they'd [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► say all that was a great podcast really [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► wasn't I don't think it was any greater [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► or better than mote you know I think [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► other podcasts i did on less emotionally [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► resonant topics were more interesting [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► more insightful better structured more [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► coherent blah blah blah but people [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► connect to emotionally and sell that was [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► the one that I really liked and so I see [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► that I was blog post or someone write a [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► blog post about something it's like was [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► this an example of great riding or was [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► it just writing about a topic that you [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► have an emotional connection to like [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► maybe I'm crazy for trying to separate [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► those two but I always you know you know [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► it my my usual modus operandi is is to [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► reject any compliments and explain why [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► they're not valid and that happened [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► again with this one because i felt like [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► it when I listen back to him like I kind [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► of got the point across i was kind of [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► get across but really was this was that [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► a good [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► episode you know but anyway I thank [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► everyone for the feedback I did want to [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► talk about it I'm glad that people [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► enjoyed it and I'm not trying to [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► invalidate your enjoyment of it i'm just [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► being my normal hypercritical self what [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► else can I be but I do have some [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► follow-up on that episode I'll get back [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► onto this self analysis in a little bit [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► first part is a a link that a couple [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► people sent me like that actually read [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► but I didn't manage to get into the show [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► notes I'd read it awhile ago I think [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► back when it was published two things [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► from like this summer it's by john [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► scalzi who is a famous science fiction [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► author i have not read any of his books [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► but he's still famous still see even if [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► you have not read it he still qualifies [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► I don't read them any century science [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► fiction books believe it or not then I [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► would think you'd be spending almost all [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► of your free time not to preparing for [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► the show reading and rereading Ender's [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► Game I have never read that book never I [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► don't know if it would hold up for you [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► anymore I think it's actually on one of [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► my I think I bought the book of it [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► thinking maybe I should read it but then [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► you should read it but yeah alright so [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► the title of this article by john scalzi [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► is who gets to be geek anyone who wants [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► to be which sums up the last show i put [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► it in the show it's only for [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► completeness i think the title says it [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► all sometimes you don't have to write [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► the body of the thing it's who gets a [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► biggie ? answer anyone who wants to be [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► okay no body of this article is required [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► oh you need more explanation than read [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► on so he said it better earlier so there [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► you have it some more feedback from [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► people talking about uh you know [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► misogynists and stuff like that and it [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► made me think of another point that I [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► should have put into the previous show [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► it's about what you are versus what you [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► do this is another one of those things [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► like the year that your mother tells you [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► when you're little that adults should [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► still remember because it's valid advice [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► lots of the people who are giving [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► feedback and writing her back and forth [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► to each other on the web about the fake [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► geek girl issue fall into this trap I [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► did it myself i'm sure in the previous [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► podcast of calling someone a misogynist [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► you've surely heard that like [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► the guy who is our read all that stuff [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► room was Tony Harris or something some [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► comic book artists oh I didn't know who [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► wrote that terrible thing right that was [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► kind of the basis of the article that I [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► was riffing on and the previous show you [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► know clearly he's a misogynist right i [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► mean just read what he wrote I think [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► it's not particularly useful to talk [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► about people in that way like condemning [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► it's better it's better to condemn their [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► actions then to say they are something [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► because if you say someone is something [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► you are a misogynist well like how can [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► someone change what they are right but [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► if you say that thing you wrote you know [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► is misogynistic right or that thing that [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► you said like if you can condemn their [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► actions people can change their action [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► it's like okay well going forward I will [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► not make that action right but if you [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► say oh no no you are a misogynist well [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► then how can you ever change that right [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► once you once you label somebody is what [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► they are you put your painting your uh [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► backing them into a corner basically [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► because they look they will they will [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► lash out and be defensive because you [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► know you are labeling me as what I am [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► rather than saying that thing that you [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► did was bad uh or you know sexist or [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► racist or ever you want to pick because [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► they can say okay well I just won't do [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► that thing anymore i agree with you that [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► was that thing i did was bad i will [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► change my ways than going forward I will [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► not do that thing because if you label [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► them as the misogynist then everything [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► to do from then on it's like well I'll [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► just regard everything he does cuz he's [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► a misogynist well if he does not act in [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► that way going forward then he's not you [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► know so I'm over I'm talking around in [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► circles in this but basically I'm a big [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► proponent of the idea of condemning [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► things that people do and say and their [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► actions and policies and stuff rather [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► than labeling them because once you [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► label somebody and it ends constructive [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► discourse alright um and that's for the [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► topic of that last show about you know [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► fakie girls and misogyny and all that [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► stuff I'm really surprised I didn't get [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► any feedback condemning me for pitching [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► myself such a softball like no way what [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► do you what do you mean by bold stand [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► against misogyny on the next show we're [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► gonna talk about how I feel about [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► killing puppies and stealing from the [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► elderly like it's you know it's such a [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► softball like what am I gonna do it on [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► I'm gonna be for it it's gonna be pro [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► misogyny like it's really it's you're [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► saying we did it was it was two years [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► too easy for you to take the side that [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► you talk I mean I just thought I need to [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► be said in those kind of obvious but [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► it's not like it's not you know it's not [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► a controversial issue in it in hindsight [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► is probably why I didn't get a lot of [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► hate mail about it is because like what [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► am I you know other people who are pro [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► misogyny gonna write me and tell me [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► actually you're wrong and we should [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► really hate all women like I guess maybe [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► those people are out there but they did [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► they're not listening to the show right [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► but it really was it was a softball like [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► I'm not I'm not tackling a topic where I [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► really had to think hard about what the [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► the answer is there and uh but there are [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► much more complex facets to this and a [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► lot of people did bring up the more [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► complex things one of them is the can I [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► say di ck on the show and we won't get [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► do it do it I don't get to get bleed [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► euler like that do it because it could [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► be the short version of some persons [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► name was mother named him race I try to [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► do it uh so the penny arcade dick wolves [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► controversy you're familiar with this [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► okay I need this explain to me because [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► other people have made reference to this [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► I don't know what it is and I'm I'm [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► please explain this yeah people not in [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► penny arcade circles might not know what [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► is this different from rape wolf that's [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► the same thing okay so i put links in [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► the show notes to this topic one is an [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► article by all on all lowercase Arthur [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► hyphen IGN whose real name I could not [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► find the title of his thing is on dick [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► wolves ethics and why I'm not attending [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► pax east and it is kind of a personal [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► explanation of how this issue made him [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► decide not to attend pax east and then [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► he linked to when I also put in the show [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► notes I link on a site called debacle [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► tumblr com which is the pratfall of [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► Penny Arcade a timeline it is a timeline [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► trying to be a dispassionate timeline [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► all the events that happened in this [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► controversies you want if you want to [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► see either someone's reaction to it in [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► summary or just like a timeline of like [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► this happened then this happened in this [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► happen this happen you can read both of [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► those now I don't want to get into this [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► issue mostly because it is a complex [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► issue and it's not where some place [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► where i can say all party a is totally [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► riding the other side is totally wrong [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► or vice versa so there are nuances on [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► both sides of this uh I I think the [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► people who asked me like what do you [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► think about this issue or whatever [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► my best answer to it is a blog post that [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► I wrote on my blog that never gets [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► posted too but I wrote this blog post [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► many months before the dick balls [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► controversy erupted right when I read it [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► I'm like I must have written this [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► afterwards because this must have been [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► like my way of like responding to the [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► dick bolts thing without addressing a [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► director but then it looked at the dates [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► I'm like no this was months before the [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► dick bulbs thing but i think it is [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► entirely relevant and related so if you [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► want to see sort of a somewhat oblique [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► answer to this entire controversy or [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► where I've come down on it you can read [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► this post it's called no movie for Old [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► Men it's at my hypercritical co website [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► which was previously siracusa tumblr com [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► the ball three direct to each other and [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► that will give you an answer to the [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► question of what do you think of that [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► big controversy I'd like I said I don't [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► want to talk about it because it's not [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► it's a type of thing we're both you know [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► I don't I say both sides are equally [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► wrong about such weekly earth is there [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► not there is there is an imbalance [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► they're out here here's my summer who [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► people wanting or something i think the [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► penny arcade guys are well-intentioned [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► but did some very that reacted very [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► poorly again that's what talking about [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► you know saying what they did and what [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► that versus what they are i don't think [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► they are any kind of horrible human [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► beings i think all their motivations are [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► good but i think a lot of their actions [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► were not good and on the other side i [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► think there was a lack of understanding [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► about you know why the penny arcade guys [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► had such bad reactions because again not [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► not understanding to excuse it but [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► understanding because if you understand [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► why it is that they're acting that way [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► you're better able to help them also [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► their behavior versus just trying to [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► condemn them so it was just a bad [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► situation all around and there were no [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► winners in this and you can read all [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► about it if you want i know they didn't [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► explain it to you Dan but you're [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► actually interested if you I will have [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► to research that's all right you will [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► get it and so this is this is how wimpy [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► Amma on the strobe is I don't think like [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► you know the reason i picked up the [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► softball topic last time is cousinly you [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► know it needs to be talked about and a [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► part of it was because i think it [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► shouldn't be such a softball and i [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► couldn't stand seeing this debate around [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► it because it's like this is cut and [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► dried you know simple no real [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► controversy we should be clear on this [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► fake geek girl think it's ridiculous and [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► that i was totally willing to take a [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► stand on because it's sort of you know [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► criticism of geek culture which is [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► podcast is about the nuanced issues I [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► would rather have people sort out on [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► their own and not try to come down with [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► like nope this is the way it is on that [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► particular sorry if you're disappointed [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► by that but this is in the end not worth [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► a podcast about it's a podcast about [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► whatever you want it to be about I know [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► but this is what I wanted to be about [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► all right so another link that a bunch [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► of people sent me that I thought was [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► interesting this one I think was the [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► first person to send it to me and I'm [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► reading his name because he provided a [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► pronunciation yay uh Cameron higbee nay [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► can or nay can the can yeah it is [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► entitled five geek social fallacies it [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► is by Michael Oh another guy with a [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► hyphenated last name Suliban Wilson [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► maybe it is from 2003 so ancient in [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► internet time yet I had never seen it [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► before today and the social fallacy is [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► there they're abbreviated in the article [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► GSF number one two three four five segi [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► social fallacy number one geek social [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► policy number one I think is the most [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► relevant to the previous discussion [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► here's the definition from the article [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► in its pathological form GSF one [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► prevents its carrier from participating [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► in or tolerating the exclusion of anyone [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► from anything be at a party comic book [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► store or web forum no matter how [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► obnoxious offensive or aromatic the [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► perspective excluding may be so this is [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► kind of like recognized GSF one is this [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► you know the fallacy that all ostracized [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► or evil in that if you exclude anyone [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► from anything it's terrible and I think [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► people were sending this link because as [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► a reaction to me saying that geek [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► culture is at its best as a [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► judgment-free zone and supposed to be [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► inclusive you shouldn't be excluding [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► other people uh I don't think that the [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► points in this thing and the point [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► amount of the fat show are opposed at [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► all because there's quite a range [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► between being best friends with somebody [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► and being actively hostile to them and [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► denying them the right to even [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► self-identify as the thing that you [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► identify at right that's what I was [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► railing against you can't tell someone [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► they can't call themselves a geek or are [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► faking or just a terrible person right [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► that's that's what you can't do it [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► doesn't mean you have to be their best [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► friend and hang out with them every day [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► like there's no and so this this geek [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► social fallacy [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► number one thing is like not only can [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► you not be a terrible person to them and [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► deny them their own basic rights of [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► self-identification and say they don't [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► they can't possibly belong to your group [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► but you have to like invite them to all [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► your birthday parties and that's totally [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► not what I'm saying like this huge range [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► all I'm saying is don't be a terrible [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► person to other people and don't deny [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► them their basic rights but it doesn't [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► mean you must there you know like I can [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► imagine maybe this metastasizes in like [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► you know the the best parts of geek [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► culture of like being close and [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► everything you know it extends like no [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► not only do you have to be inclusive but [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► everybody has to be friends with [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► everybody I mean that I think that's [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► ridiculous and I guess that's why it's a [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► social fallacy but apparently this does [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► happen like reading through this geek [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► social fallacy things I'll read off the [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► title son they've got social policies [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► number one through five so one is [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► ostracized or evil to as friends accept [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► me as I am three is friendship before [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► all for his friendship is transitive [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► meaning if I'm friends with you and I'm [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► friends with him than you and him should [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► be friends and five is friends do [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► everything together and if you read [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► these geek social fallacies they did [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► none of them really rang true to me [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► because I guess none of my circles or [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► friends behave like this but i have seen [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► at a distance groups that appeared to [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► behave this way so i totally believe [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► that these are rooted in something this [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► is more like a sort of self-help thing [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► for like how to better interact with [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► other people successfully aimed at geeks [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► emphasizing the things that geeks may [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► you know because i guess it could happen [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► like you go too far in the other [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► direction and try to be accepting to [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► everybody and that extends to like [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► inviting everybody for your birthday [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► party and just becomes a disaster they [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► also talk about why fyp which is your [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► feelings your problem and i think i may [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► have that one a little bit more than [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► other people I think it'll small dose of [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► that is a is healthy actually but uh and [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► then why have YP carriers deal with [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► other people's fallacies by ignoring [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► them entirely in the process require a [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► reputation for being charmless lee tact [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► tactless yeah that's probably me so [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► anyway read the article maybe if you if [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► you can identify the things in it maybe [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► it can help you but i think it is not in [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► opposition to anything I said last time [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► and if people misinterpreted what I was [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► saying as you have to be best friends [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► with everybody in the world that was [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► definitely not it [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► alright it's okay to not like everyone [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► right you just just can't be a jerk I [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► just don't be a jerk about it no why [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► exactly you know that's what being X [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► onto each other means it doesn't mean [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► being best friends with everybody [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► doesn't mean you have to hang out with [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► everybody and talk everybody but [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► everything it just means like you can't [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► go up and say I hate you and everything [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► you say about yourself is false and I [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► deny the reality of any of your feelings [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► or interests that's a big range there [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► you know don't do that but you know [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► alright and finally this this last put a [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► piece of geek culture feedback is more [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► like an extension of last show and it's [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► very succinct so I'm just gonna read it [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► all off this is from John last name [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► withheld uh he says is he related [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► together last name withheld guy that's [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► that's an in joke that you don't need to [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► get it did I ever do that before maybe [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► I'm repeating myself I probably did [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► alright so he says in his screed Tony [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► Harrison mostly concerned with [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► establishing that female cosplayers have [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► no power over him sexually this under [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► scares underscore is a male anxiety that [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► isn't only a nerd concern but may be [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► particularly troubling to nerds one of [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► the traits of masculinity is supposed to [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► be in vulnerability or a move ability [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► but truth to tell male sexual response [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► it's mostly involuntary ass like [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► excitement comes when it comes in pop [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► culture there's a myth of the swab [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► dispassionate man who could take sexual [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► pleasure on his own terms but is in no [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► way under the thrall of women characters [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► like James Bond can remain unmoved by [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► the women throw themselves at an [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► interesting article about how this plays [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► out in the works of Raymond Chandler is [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► here and you know in typical it snob [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► fashion he gives me the link to this [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► Raymond Chandler thing maybe that's not [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► a little snob thing maybe that's just a [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► literary person thing but anyway I put [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► the link in the show notes you want to [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► read about how that works in Raymond [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► Chandler novels for nerds who are [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► regularly accused of being less than men [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► the desire to present an impervious [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► front is strong so think this is a you [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► know again i'm not sure i said here's [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► one explanation or cause of misogyny [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► here is another one the idea that [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► masculinity is shown to be unmoved by [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► things and yet men you know inevitably [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► are heterosexual men and Everly are [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► moved by things that they find sexually [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► attractive and you're supposed to not be [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► right and so [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► just massaging is manifesting itself is [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► trying to fight against that and say you [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► you don't have power over me sexually [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► revolting against these feelings that [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► are inside themselves about you know the [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► control that these females seem to have [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► so I thought that was a good explanation [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► and he has another bit at the end here [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► the one thing the Harrison too many [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► other men also assume is that women are [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► on display for the benefit of men those [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► who cosplay do it for a variety of you [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► reasons unique to themselves including [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► interest in the character is the [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► challenge of the craft the community [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► self-expression some may be involved in [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► sexualizing display but it's wrong to [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► assume that even these are doing it for [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► your pleasure or notice the fallacy is [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► that if you read someone's outfit and [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► this includes regular clothes as well as [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► dress-up clothes a sexually provocative [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► that the wearer had you in mind when she [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► chose it all all very true all one of [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► the you know many many more reasons for [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► misogyny I picked up I thought that was [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► the biggest gimme this is probably like [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► second or third place ah so thanks John [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► for that feedback the whole article that [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► i almost put in here from crack calms [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► you know cracked com no I can't I [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► couldn't tell I thought crack on was a [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► humor website as article was like it was [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► about similar topics like you know how [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► men are trained to hate women by modern [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► society or something like that and like [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► it says if it's a humorous site there [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► would be more jokes but it was a serious [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► site it would be less crude and [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► offensive so I couldn't decide and I [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► just didn't put the link in so if you [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► want to look that up you can't yourself [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► I didn't the guard achill was that great [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► but tried to make some of these similar [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► points mixed in with a bunch of terrible [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► points all right I think that's it for [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► the follow-up okay sponsor time yeah [TS]

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00:41:39 ◼   ► next time you want a registered domain [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► name check them out if you like them [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► I'll give you ten percent off code is [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► Dan sent me they don't nickel and dime [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► you with stuff that's the theme for the [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► day for my sponsors today you go there [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► you register calm down or whatever I [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► like the dot CEO that TV they've got [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► most of them not all of them they make [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► it really simple little search box type [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► in the domain name that you want they'll [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► show you if it's available if it's [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► available for purchase from like [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► somebody else who's selling it they'll [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► show you that too if it's available for [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► auction they'll show you that too [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► if you want to transfer domain from [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► somewhere else which is what I'm doing [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► pretty much all of my domains they make [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► it really easy they have this thing [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► called domain transfer valet where they [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► do the whole process for you which is [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► really great they don't charge for that [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► just like they don't charge for who is [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► privacy they also have email hosting [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► they do charge for that if you want it [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► there are tons and tons of really really [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► great services I mean they put their [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► toll free number right on the front page [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► and they've gotta know hold policy you [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► just pick up the phone and you call them [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► in someone answers and it will help you [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► they also have built-in dns management [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► which is that's where I'm hosting my dns [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► now so go check them out hover com / dan [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► sent me you will find that you receive [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► automatically a 10-percent discount [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► you're already customer you already have [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► stuff in your shopping cart so use the [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► code dan sent me you get the ten percent [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► off so go check them out thanks very [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► very much toddler for making this show [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► possible it's a time for the questions [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► and answer section it's time for the [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► queues and possibly the A's depending on [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► what the queues are these kinds of [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► questions that are collected right here [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► you have for the record you have not [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► seen well you maybe you've seen them [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► because I asked on Twitter and you could [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► have been following along but you [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► messaged me early on and you said I hope [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► you're collecting these questions [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► because I'm not and I said I am and so [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► here are the questions and these are [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► these are things that vary dramatically [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► everything from specific programming [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► questions all the way to very broad [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► things but i'll start with this one [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► actually before you start okay they want [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► the people in the chat room to know that [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► yes you can still ask questions or [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► follow ups in the chat room the whole [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► point is it's not like you know it's not [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► like dan has the preset list of [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► questions and no more questions come in [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► if something flies by in the chat room [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► we think it's interesting we'll grab it [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► if it's a follow-up for something I'm [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► talking about it's the Wild West there [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► is no system there is no queue you do [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► not take a number you're you are at the [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► mercy of Dan and Haddie in me all right [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► patty watch a chat Ruben if you see [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► something good grab it okay she says she [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► will and by the way my first answer is [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► that my first name has an agent [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► just the people out there how do you [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► spell your name joh this question see I [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► did get some of mine and this question [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► asked is from Bradley chambers and he [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► says what was John's favorite episode of [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► hypercritical and as a second part part [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► 2 what podcasts does John listen to i'm [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► gonna give the standard a child favorite [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► answer to the podcast question do you [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► know what that answer is him uh all of [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► them Oh like I can't worth lookin I how [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► can i pick my favorites like picking [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► your favorite child um i don't know i [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► don't i really don't know i could never [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► pick a number one favorite I like kind [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► of the same episodes and most people [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► like you know uh I like the like toaster [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► episode like Steve Jobs episode I like [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► the Mac os10 follow-up episodes okay I [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► let me like all the popular ones i have [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► no favorite let me riff off that one [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► which hypercritical episode do you think [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► is the best representation of [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► hypercritical oh that's tough because [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► like there are ones that that stick to [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► the format the closest but they're not [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► necessarily the best my main problem is [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► as always that I am an old person and [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► can't remember anything I can barely [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► remember those I can barely remember the [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► vodkas like sometimes they only come up [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► like oh I wait a second didn't we do a [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► show about right that's that's how you [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► know you're getting old when you're you [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► you can be reminded about something that [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► you yourself have done oh you're not [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► that long ago it happens all the time I [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► think it really depends on your interest [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► because the the problem is I think a lot [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► of the episodes are like I come out and [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► I golike that was exactly what I wanted [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► to do but if no one is interested in [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► that topic it you know people go all [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► that episode stunk like but it raised if [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► you happen to be really into model [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► trains and I happen to do half of a show [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► about model trains like a good example [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► is the video game controller episode if [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► you don't care about video games or [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► controllers those that show is like [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► death right but if you really care about [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► video games of control is like oh that's [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► my favorite one right so maybe that's [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► the most quintessential episode fix it [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► so polarizing because where I really got [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► uh you know down and detailed into a [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► topic that I but think about just [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► reflect if you will on the the Steve [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► Jobs autobuyer [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► auto the Steve Jobs biography book when [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► you talked about that to me to me that [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► one or maybe the toaster episode are as [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► you would say textbook or quintessential [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► hypercritical that I feel like if [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► somebody could listen to either of those [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► episodes maybe it's the toaster not yeah [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► like if you can listen that toaster [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► episode if you enjoy that you're gonna [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► you you get it you totally get it and [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► you're gonna yeah I was things like you [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► know it really depends on if you can [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► relate to you know I got all excited [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► about these topics that I'm interested [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► in you have to be able to to a maybe [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► you're not excited about toaster there's [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► gotta be something in your life that [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► makes you feel that way and if you're [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► just a laid back kind of person doesn't [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► care about the stuff and just sounds [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► like complaining all right so so i don't [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► know i don't have a good answer to that [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► one either there's gonna be a theme of [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► both diseases that I you don't have [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► answers or don't have a good answer well [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► and to continue this eric price asks [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► what are some of the topics you'd [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► planned to discussed but had I not [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► actually we skipped over the second part [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► of that question oh I remember that far [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► back in my history it was the blonde [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► also know the other podcasts that I [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► listened to a lot of people asked this [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► all the time i was thinking of there's [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► nothing i have to do is on the fly show [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► notes or keep track of what need to put [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► in the show it said the blister podcast [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► i listened to is not better shattering [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► like at various times I've listened to [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► almost all the five by five shows [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► there's just too many of them and I [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► can't fit them all in so I've pared it [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► down I mean rattle off every single five [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► by five shove it listen to Marco shell [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► it's back to work you know I was [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► amplified when I have a chance which is [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► rare these days I listen to all the [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► incomparable zuv course periodically [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► I'll listen to they are the shows the [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► topics grab me but like you know [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► basically go through anything by five by [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► five if you see a show that's on the [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► topic you think you like then listen to [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► it so I endorse all those the ones that [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► everyone listens to everyone I don't [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► know fresh air all things considered not [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► all things considered fresh air what's [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► the other one hour glass This American [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► Life yes this American what I mean you [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► know is that our shattering you know [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► radiolab things a little bit of radiolab [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► like the number of subscriptions in my [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► podcast section and itunes is huge like [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► that there's no way i can listen ma [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► I think it's like over a hundred right [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► and I just pick and choose what I'm in [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► the mood for anthro Mon that you look [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► nice today I listen to a Roderick on the [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► line is a great one maybe these like [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► those are like the lesser-known maybe [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► like if you if you like back to work but [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► don't listen to the you look nice today [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► erotic online you should Planet Money [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► the talk show like people i'm just [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► reading stuff off the people right in [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► the chat room geek Friday Creek Friday [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► actually do listen to pretty regularly [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► not our showering the ones that the few [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► gems i think i have that at points that [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► i've said before is one if you don't [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► listen to the flophouse you should which [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► is a podcast where they listen they [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► watch bad movies and complain about them [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► and you can understand why that might [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► appeal to me and not just because my [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► friend's brother is part of the show and [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► the other podcast i listen to let's just [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► started is danna tech podcast which i [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► think is great in-depth nerdy stuff i'll [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► since it wasn't core intuition guy [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► English's couple of shows he's got one [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► called ad hoc where a bunch of people [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► talk about stuff he's got one called [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► debug where he talks to developers edge [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► cases with wool french so many podcasts [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► I'm like I'm not gonna lead down my I [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► read now imagine things but those those [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► are my suggestions for rarities mi nah [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► know about Roderick on the line the [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► flophouse on the anima tech podcast you [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► may not have heard of made up into and [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► if you listen to the show you might like [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► them so there you go alright then you [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► were gonna continue with the next [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► question yeah I'm kind of related to [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► that one Eric price what are some of the [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► topics you'd planned to discussed but [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► haven't gotten to before ending show [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► none like I said in the previous show I [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► had a list of topics I got to all them [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► and you know and then some there's [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► nothing on my original list that I did [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► not get to talk about all right I'm [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► looking at some I'm trying to decide [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► where we can take this let's see someone [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► said the flophouse Sun solar Howard this [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► game made no accept no substitutes the [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► flop house is the one the only the [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► original as far as I'm concerned ah the [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► best bed movie podcast don't listen to [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► the how did this get made don't listen [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► to those other ones you want the flop [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► ass and by the way the flop house is one [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► of those shows kind of like [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► hypercritical where you have to actually [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► listen from the beginning it's been off [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► like five years you're gonna feel like I [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► know listen I'm gonna go back five years [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► and listen to this stuff uh yeah that's [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► the only way [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► works it's the only way work you gotta [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► go back five years and you gotta plow [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► through min order and then finally you [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► can appreciate the current episode it's [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► worth it okay all right um PES pengelley [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► asks what your top 5 video favorite [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► video games are of all time and if they [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► are still you know if they still hold up [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► if there's something we should play or [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► if they're just you know memories and [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► things that you have that you enjoy yeah [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► if I had to pick my top five I would not [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► pick based on like memories you know [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► like I'll enjoyed playing load runners [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► kid or whatever huh I would pick based [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► on what I think the quality the games [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► are today I'm like I'm so this way this [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► would not exclude modern era consoles [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► this would because we had a question [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► from Alan Starnes who said what about [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► that if you were to exclude modern era [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► consoles well I don't I don't think you [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► need to answer I say just just [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► everything that's available to you know [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► that could have been played or whatever [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► i'm gonna go with like ocarina of time [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► Mary 64 a shadow of the colossus eco [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► journey like this just off the top of my [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► head no no ordering implied there that's [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► that's an easy top 5 to pull out maybe [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► I'm forgetting some in there but that's [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► that's an easy top 5 and some of those [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► are current generation some of them are [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► not like did you can t go and shadow the [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► Colossus as current generation because [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► they have ps3 ports there were both [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► original ps2 games that's where I [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► originally played oh yeah those are [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► that's that's a short list and it's not [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► an odd particularly shocking shortlist [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► if you listen to the show because I [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► talked about all those games constantly [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► my next appliance when is the person's [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► name what is it my next appliance these [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► are all that Twitter handles my next I [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► know I know what was John's first tech [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► device and how did you fall in love with [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► tech so I don't know how would you [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► define tech device is does that include [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► mahut inclined plane I don't yeah I [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► don't want smoke ounces technology I [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► don't know maybe that's part of the [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► question is but bundled into the [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► question is how they probably an [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► electronic I think they do I think they [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► mean like wiz itted you know was it a [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► calculator trying to find I think of [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► what I signed to her calculator I think [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► the vic-20 was the first song is like [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► I'm trying to think of remember that [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► football game yes [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► the red lights yes pick 20 before the [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► little football grit know that little [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► football game was out way before I know [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► it doesn't mean I had it Oh probably my [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► mother would have never bought me that [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► football game so I probably like got it [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► from a friend once it was too old to be [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► interesting or something but i think the [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► vic-20 was the first thing that captured [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► my attention that was clearly a piece of [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► technology and what was the second part [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► of that question second part of the [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► question was how did you fall in love [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► with tech yeah I think it all took was [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► the vic-20 like that you could hook [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► something up to your television and you [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► could press buttons on it and things [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► would appear in your television because [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► up to that point in my life the [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► television was merely something that's [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► sent out information but now I could do [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► things that would show up on the [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► television it was mad you controlled the [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► television it's like it's you know your [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► life is defined by like what the [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► television is no Sesame Street and [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► Muppet Show wherever you know it's like [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► this amazing box word entertainment [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► comes out and like and it totally flips [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► it like guess what no now you can put [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► stuff in there's like no way you know [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► people don't understand how crazy that [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► was but i think i think it really was [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► key that the thing you hooked it up to [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► was a television like it didn't come [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► with a monitor wasn't like you know [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► modern computer i think that really [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► really was key you know it sounds like [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► oh that was just this weird transitional [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► phase but they didn't have monitors and [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► you know they were decided the computer [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► but it was important that you were using [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► your television as the monitor because [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► it was subverting an existing sort of [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► relationship that you had with a piece [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► of technology in your house Stephen [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► Skeldon if you were offered your choice [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► of any job within the Apple hierarchy [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► what role would you pick and why yeah [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► there's only one job that I am qualified [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► for at Apple which is Steve Jobs his old [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► job which is the job where you tell [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► everybody else what to do that's right [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► and you know and that there's not an [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► opening for that job because they're [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► really my only qualification is I have [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► strong opinions about things and that's [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► probably true of a lot of people like [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► you know I don't I'm not an objective C [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► programmer I don't do user interface [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► design i'm not an electrical engineer [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► like I'm useless to the organization in [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► any capacity except that one position [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► where you tell everybody else what to do [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► and rule with an iron fist I'm not [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► saying I would do a good job but that is [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► the only position i can imagine taking [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► it the company other people ask me [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► that's actually one of the questions [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► yeah have you ever considered working an [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► apple uh not really because the first [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► thing is that they tend to want their [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► employees to be in California and I [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► don't want to move to California like I [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► said in the past show a lot of who's [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► able to hire who has to do with where [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► people live and if they wanted me to be [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► in California now I want to live in [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► california well that's the end of that [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► right right and the second is that from [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► everything I've heard from people who [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► work inside Apple it's not as glamorous [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► as you might think it's you know it's a [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► corporate stooge job the corporation may [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► be a corporation that makes great [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► products but it's a corporation and you [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► got bosses and middle management and all [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► the same things that happen in any other [TS]