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show that it's out for delivery right
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now yeah should be delivered today but
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it has not yet arrived so obviously
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we're not talking about the wii u today
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cuz even if it did arrive today i
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wouldn't have time to talk about it
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right and that probably means the next
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week show we're gonna talk about that
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with you right probably ah now the thing
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is and i did mention having some portion
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of some show where possibly you would
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have to ask me questions does that mean
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that it's you know if next week is the
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wii u and it takes the whole show and
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and this week if
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not doing it this week and we're not
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doing in the last show which we're not
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what does that leave so maybe I'll try
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to like squeeze in like a couple
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questions at the end of this one and
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like a couple questions at the end of
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the next one if the weird doesn't go
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follow episode sure and these are my
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questions these are not listener
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questions these are my questions for you
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that's for harking back to the old days
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when you were my guest on the pipeline
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and I interviewed you then that's right
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do you remember that I do vaguely
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vaguely pig there was episode number 23
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entitled Jon siracusa you can add that
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the Charles I'm not a right now i right
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dan benjamin talks with John sir kia's
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about writing development technology in
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the changing audience for gaming the
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future content creation for the web we
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had none of those topics ring a bell but
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I can imagine what I said there were two
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links an interview with John Syracuse in
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the setup and fat bits John siracusa
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staff news staff blog yeah ours got rid
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of the staff blog more or less and
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certainly got rid of the branding for
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all the URL still work or they redirect
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or whatever but and yeah they're set up
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interview was from July first 2009 your
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main machine is a 2 x 2.8 gigahertz mac
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pro can you guess what it is now same
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thing same damn with eight gigs of ram
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dual optical drives an nvidia geforce
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8800 GT video card and 3.5 terabytes of
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disk space spread over four internal
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drives yeah well the specs have gone up
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i got my ram more hard to suez via same
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machine save gigs yeah for you almost
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four years got 34 years ago all right ah
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some follow-up before this is gonna be a
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grab bag show so I've got follow-up and
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then I've got a bunch of little many
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things that could have been follow-up
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except they're not but they're similar
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sized alright so the first bit of fault
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is from David Meyers uh letting us never
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let the oh so important debate about
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taping in and taping out died the
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continues to live through David ah way
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back when I mentioned taping up versus
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taping and I said taping you know what
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taping out where does that term come
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from I always imagined it came for
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something having to do with
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actual tape laying down traces four
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circuits and stuff back in the olden
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days and then some people rode in said
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actually it's about the magnetic tape
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that you send to the fab that has the
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information on it and it's in this old
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creaky format or whatever well david
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says that he suggested this theory to a
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colleague who's been designing
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electronics since the 70s and he says
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after he stopped laughing he assured me
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that your original theory was definitely
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correct that is my original theory about
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laying down tape is back in the day
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before computers are widely available
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all artwork for printed circuit boards
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were created manually and the process
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was called taping out because reels of
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tape were used to create the tracks on
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the artwork the artwork for the chips
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were originally created the same way
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many times larger than the actual chip
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they were then photographically reduced
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to create the final artwork for the chip
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the entire process was optical with no
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electronic data being generated so no
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name for magnetic tapes Isis more
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Stephanie's at the end it may well be
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that the etymology of the phrase has
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been lost as different generations have
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changed its definition or repurposed the
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phrase to match the technology changes
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to the process ah so I'm glad my old
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man's imagination about laying out
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traces tape and then uh optically
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shrinking them was not entirely off base
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thank you David the next one is from Ben
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Gomer it's in reference to a topic we
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discussed on the Q&A show last time
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somebody asked I figured what the
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question it was like what changes would
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you make to OS 10 or something like that
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like if you were in charge what what
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change did you make for us and one of
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the things I talked about was bringing
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yet more of the features that currently
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only exist in you know mainframes and
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other big kind of computers our
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resiliency to failure and the ability to
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upgrade and replace things without any
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down time which would surely it's not
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just a hardware feature would surely
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need some sort of operating system
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support ah so this paper is right up
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that alley uh it is a paper it's in Jeff
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fosters home directory so I don't know
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he's the last author listed on the paper
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do we have any people in the chat room
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you know if the last author is the
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important one papers or is it the first
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author see how would think the first
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right yeah but something like Tom a
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building you wanna be you and be listed
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first yeah wait for the chat room could
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tell me there's surely some academics
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lurking in there but anyway the paper
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was in his home directories probably in
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the home directory of all
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authors but this is the link that uh
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then uh then gave me oh it AF Waller
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says the lath author last author runs
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the lab a last our foster chairman yeah
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I met I met AF Waller when I was out in
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Atlanta and we had we had did you know
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hung out and had some drinks and I don't
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know if I don't know if I would trust
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this he says the first author writes the
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paper or leads the group anyway the full
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list of authors is Christopher M Hayden
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Edward k smith Mikhail dinchu Michael
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Hicks and Jeffrey S Foster and these
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guys I believe all Jeffrey foster anyway
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is at the University of Maryland College
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Park anyway that title the paper is
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kitsune I'm assuming a pronouncing a
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ride ki TSU any that looks right could
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soon a colon efficient general-purpose
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dynamic software updating for C and it
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was presented at the oopsla conference
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which is a great name ooops la
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object-oriented programming systems
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language and applications which is an
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annual conference put on by the ACM ACM
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is association for computing machinery
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and the here's the the abstract for well
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more or less the abstract paper dynamic
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software updating abbreviated as DSU
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systems allow programs to be updated
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while running thereby permitting
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developers to add features and fix bugs
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without downtime so basically you know
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say you want to upgrade some application
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you have currently it's like will take
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your old version move to the trash and
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then give you a new version usually will
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make you quit the app to it technically
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on Mac OS 10 you can throw the app in
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the trash and actually fully delete it
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usually if you know if you know how to
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do so and put a new version in place but
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you're still running the old version and
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possibly the old version will be very
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cranky when it goes to try to read a
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file from its bundle since you've
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deleted it and all sorts of bad things
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can happen so in general when you
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upgrade an application I'm Mac OS 10 or
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any you know regular PC operating system
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you have to get rid of it ah and then
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quit it and then get the new one
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installed then relaunch that well this
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lets you take a running program and
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change it sort of in memory without
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about quitting the program or anything
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like that and this page this paper
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introduces kitsune a new DSU system for
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see whose design has three notable
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features so there are many such systems
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that do this type of thing where you
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know altering a running program to be
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different without having to X
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the program maintaining up done this
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particular one has these three
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attributes said versus it's updating
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mechanism updates the whole program not
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individual functions this mechanism is
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more flexible than most prior approaches
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and places no restrictions on data
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representations allowed or our compiler
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optimizations it makes the important
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aspects of updating explicit in the
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program text so you have like alter the
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program to let it know like here are the
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important parts right and the programmer
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can write simple specifications to
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direct kitsune to generate code that
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traverses and transforms old version
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state used by new code so if you're
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everything has some sort of internal in
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memory state that doesn't work with the
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new version of the program you can write
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specifications that say okay you're
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going to take this running program with
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this internal memory state and replace
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it with this new program with this
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functionality and you have to sort of
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translate the state to a state that
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works with the new version of the
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program and they used it as part of
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paper to update five popular open source
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gonna lose state or and some of them
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browser and we launched it but with an S
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installing some program and it's like oh
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by the way we're gonna make you quit
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kind of our we're messing with internet
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plugins are you know isn't it I plugin
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would make me quit the browser's you
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no restart don't need to quit the apps
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will patch them in process who knows if
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it's feasible or if it's a good idea but
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like things like this happen in Maine
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brings all the time and the things I was
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to do a lot of these things to you know
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to be resilient against fate failures to
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be able to roll your system back in time
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upgrade and a major things slower if it
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a file system they can do this type of
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thing like btrfs or butter FS do we
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entire computer and quit all my programs
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try to restore state it's a pain in my
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butt but the computer needs me to do it
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you know and I don't want to quit this
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do those can all go away and should all
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go away eventually so i put a link to
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the actual paper to PDF in the show
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notes and you can take a look at it if
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you want next bit of follow-up is about
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pieces of hate mail this week did you
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really I hate this strike hate mail
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stragglers are still there but yes
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you're right overwhelmingly positive
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feedback um this came from several
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appointed to a YouTube video by someone
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named Jay smooth this actual name is
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John Randolph oh he's apparently a
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jaysmith his DJ name he is the host of a
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radio program in New York WBAI is
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Underground Railroad he also does video
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blogging on hip hop music calm and ill
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doctrine which is YouTube video blog and
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racist and it draws at the links in the
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show notes and it draws the same
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distinction as we discussed last time
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between what he calls the what they did
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conversation and what they are
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conversation and he gives this issue a
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slightly more adversarial bent than I
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even though it feels good to slam
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somebody with what they are attack
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saying oh you are racist it feels good
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attack against someone who's doing
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something like that yeah it's actually a
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lot easier for the target of the attack
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to deflect this kind of thing because
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like I said you can't know what's in my
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heart you know this is to talk about
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like motivations and and thoughts and
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feelings and it's much easier for them
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to defend against you calling it what
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you know doing the what they are thing
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uh and it's true you can't know what's
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in their heart like that's you know that
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an upper hand there so it's a much
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better idea to focus on what what they
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concrete and even though it feels like
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if you just focus you know and don't let
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focus on the what they did conversation
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were just concrete you can actually
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discuss it's actually a stronger attack
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so this is different than I was saying
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you know don't go to the what they are
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know back in them into a corner uh my
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wife is here waving a wii u in my face
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I've excellent she can she unpacking
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this unpacking for me what if I wanted
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unpack it all the popcorn that's in that
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all right you're glad that I unpacked it
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cuz I have a degree all right well so
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I've got the wii u here but yes I can't
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actually play it I'll just look at it
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longingly on the desk during the blast
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promotion as a sticker on an exclusive
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offer yes that's you it's very nice I'm
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gonna do want us would you like to stop
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the show here and then you can go and
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unbox it plain I can resume and we could
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record sunday afternoon which is I would
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not like to do alright I've got a show
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to do here alright so where was I
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alright so the J smooth video um so yeah
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same the same argument about not too
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caught to you know to concentrate more
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on the action rather than trying to
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label the person with a totally
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different angle on it also beneficial
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saying like you know this is actually if
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you're interested in attacking someone
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for something like that don't it's to
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your interest to stay away from the what
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they are conversation because that one
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is much harder to win its the you're on
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shake your ground and there's a longer
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version of this video that other people
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sent me as well at TEDx Hampshire
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College same guy j smooth the title of
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this talk is uh how i learned to stop
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worrying and love discussing race the
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TED talk length and in this one he
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mentions that he gets feedback of two
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people tell people they race this has
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have been linking it around for a long
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time the first kind of feedback he gets
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blah ah and the second kind of feedback
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he gets is reports from people who tried
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the technique and it didn't really help
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video and the next time something like
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that happened to me instead of me you
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conversation I tried to concentrate on
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what they did and you know what it
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didn't really help and I like this
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because you know this appeals to my
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sensibilities of this guy's famous for
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this YouTube video and he goes and give
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a longer version of the talk and the
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first thing he does is describe what's
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wrong with this talking no it doesn't
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work in your life uh you should watch it
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though because uh what he
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as in the longer talk is he is he flips
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it around he talks about how to receive
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this kind of feedback about yourself
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yeah and and and make a positive change
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based on it had it you know how to be on
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the receiving end of it and how to avoid
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work is explained well here's how you
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can imagine why it doesn't work because
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imagine if it happened to you wouldn't
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your reaction be to get defensive and
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the point he makes about this is that
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when you believe that you have to be
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perfect in order to be good it makes you
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strongly averse to accepting any kind of
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criticism it kind of it turns the what
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what you are calmed in nations you
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this thing that's bad if your definition
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your head is if you ever do anything
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that's racist then you are a racist then
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the what you did versus what your
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conversation is not really helping
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because as soon as cell someone tells
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you you did that thing like all but my
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personal definition is that if you ever
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do anything racist you me to the r-1
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therefore you know uh so I thought that
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was clever interesting and this J smooth
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guy looks really smart and awesome and I
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like him uh I also get some up some
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other feedback from people was that oh
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is that the the what you did versus what
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you are someone some brought up it like
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the idea of a murderer like how you know
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it's contracting what you did versus
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what you are is letting them off easy I
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think j smooth how do you encounter that
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but my counter would be that like it
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really depends on what is your talk like
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you can't do a blanket I think people
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were looking for a blanket rule like
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no point in trying to change your future
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behavior because this label should
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murderer it's a many people may be of
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labels on man don't call don't call him
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a murderer because that's gonna back him
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into a corner you rally just talk about
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what he did like that murdering you did
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was bad let's talk about that versus
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calling him a murderer which but you
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action there's no coming back from that
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tough luck right uh I would say that
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saying something sexist or racist is not
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is not the same thing as being a
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murderer and you can't apply this
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blanket rule to in either case right so
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be be careful about taking you know
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guidelines or advice from anybody and
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saying it this kind of that's one of the
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speaking of geek culture suddenly a geek
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thing like you you're some piece of
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advice or guideline you're like this
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in all conditions otherwise it's
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completely invalid that's not it's not
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how the world works like everything is
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context dependent in its stall fuzzy and
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gray and there aren't many you no hard
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video if you haven't seen it before you
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don't know Jay smooth is cuz he he seems
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cool alright uh there's a comment on a
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Simcoe com oh this is my this is like my
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version of RSS is twitter where I find
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links and I think Horace link to this
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himself he frequently does this is a
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great thing that Horace does I think he
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doesn't just link to his own articles
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like hey I wrote something like semco he
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does that to like here you know new post
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on my blog take a look at it he links to
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sometimes days later really good
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comments but you know specifically
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anchor links to those comments on his
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own blog post correct and I think that
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is awesome because it's kind of like the
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blog version of follow up right where
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his audience has a lot of good smart
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things to say and he not only allows
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them to post their and participates in
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the discussion but he highlights them by
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saying check this out guys so this one
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he linked to by William Cox is attached
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to the article the New Age of capital
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intensity she talks about capital
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expenditures and Apple as usual and also
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some of the things I William cock says
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Horace I just thought you should know
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that Apple is indeed popping up with all
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sorts of plans to move things in-house
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AMD and Qualcomm both have graphics
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divisions in Orlando your old down no
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yeah and now Apple has its chip
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specialists from intrinsic code
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designers with Samsung of the a4 chip in
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Orlando setting up shop for a new plant
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they're recruiting heavily from their
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competitors senior staff I would look
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for apple to abandon power VRS the GPO
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supplier in a couple of years and move
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everything in-house so here's a case
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where retarded before I like you know if
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apple buys a company it doesn't make a
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difference if they want all the people
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to work in cupertino well here's Apple
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setting up you know Apple employees in a
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shop in Orlando which just so happens to
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be next to AMD in qualcomm their
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graphics divisions right and actively
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you know trying to get employees who
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either currently or used to work for AMD
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and Qualcomm to say you guys don't have
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to move you can keep your house where
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you are in fact we set up a shop right
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here because it if you're if Apple wants
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to like you know this is basically
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saying I'd example apples makes its own
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asics CPU but it's still using GPU made
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by somebody else what if they want to
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make their own GPU but you gotta you
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know hire some good mobile GPU designers
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and the best way to do that is to set up
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some you know an office specifically for
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this purses right next to two other
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offices that have to do with making
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mobile GPUs and of course they bought
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intrinsically a while back which is also
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a mobile GPU related chip-making company
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so this isn't this is pretty strong
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evidence if all this is true from this
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common that Apple really has its eyes on
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you know not relying on other people for
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hardware we're gonna make our own CPU
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designs a6 we're gonna make her own GPU
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ah maybe they're not gonna buy their own
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fabs but like reading this and thinking
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about this and then seeing how serious
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they are because like this no my reason
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you know as you can surely test that's
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the only reason you set up an office in
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Orlando that's right but there's no
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there's no reason to be there trust me
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unless you're an imagined here or
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something then even then even then you
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want to be in California know the real
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I'm gonna get it wrong and kill my cred
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here but the real disney world that's
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right yeah real disney world isn't far
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the real disney world is in florida i
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worked there did you know that yes i did
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not listen to all your show okay i
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worked in there and that don't be
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confused people will call the magic
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kingdom disney world it is not disney
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world is the entire thing that's
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inclusive of the magic kingdom it
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includes the epcot center it includes
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all the resorts it includes what we used
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to call MGM Studios now some
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their thing all of that that is Disney
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World Magic Kingdom is the place with
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the castle right but it's not Disneyland
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on California is that shadow of the real
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thing the Disneyland I think you can fit
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50 Disneyland's in the parking lot for
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the Magic Kingdom Djem antic kingdom so
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that's why you're saying if you're gonna
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be an Imagineer you want to be an
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Orlando you don't want to being they do
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have a big data center out there all
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right but it's not that's not a draw for
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people yeah so somewhat reading this
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comment and assuming is true my thought
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was is there anything Apple thinks it
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can't do hardware-wise like I said you
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know we have our own little box that we
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put apple in like you know Apple makes
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computers and they buy their you know
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CPUs from Intel or IBM or motorola or
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whatever and that box is not the same
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box that Apple puts itself in because
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Apple clearly says you know what we can
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make your own CPUs a hire a bunch of
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people there's no reason we can't do
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this we go we'll get an armed license we
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won't we won't just take someone else's
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cores and put them together we're gonna
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make her own CPU called ba6 right so
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that was a box that other people had
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apple in it but they you know said no we
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don't we don't recognize that boundary
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and now I'm thinking like is there
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anything anything related to hardware at
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all that Apple thinks well we can you
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know make your own cases and maybe make
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Iran CPUs but we can't do X is there
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anything like that I think they can't do
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can it do they think they can make their
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own hard drives their own SSDs their own
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screens there you know sure it's I think
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everything is up for grabs now and it's
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tempting to think of things with the pc
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mindset especially people of our age of
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like certain things you do as the maker
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of personal computers and stuff and
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certain things you know your part
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suppliers do an apple seems willing when
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it comes to hardware to say ah the only
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reason we would ever let a part supply
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or do this is if the margins are really
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low and it's not strategically important
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for us to do it right the reason would
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never be oh we don't know how to do that
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oh we can't do though you know we can't
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make desktop CPUs that's not you know
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we're not in tell if Apple decides it is
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strategically important for them to do
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that they're not going to let that you
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know old world definition of what Apple
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does stop them and lay
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other things stop them like economics
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and feasibility and all sorts of other
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things but clearly in this case their
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eyes seemed set on making not only the
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CPU part but also the GPU part and
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that's very interesting um now but I was
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careful to add hardware wise as a
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qualifier to that statement is there
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anything Apple thinks it can't do
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because clearly there's plenty that
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Apple can't do cloud service wise which
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is sad a little sad smiley face my notes
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likes that uh but maybe maybe this
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Hardware machismo can be funneled into
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apple finally taking the reins on its
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service operations and you know building
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its own server hardware since of course
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it doesn't it doesn't make exurbs
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anymore never really use them that much
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and it's a server side stuff anyway so
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maybe if Apple becomes like you know we
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can do anything we can we'll make our
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own Ram will make her own CPUs we make
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our own but you know nothing we can't do
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with hardware hopefully then was like
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you know what we keep buying these uh
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you know rackmount servers from Dell or
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whoever the heck they're buying them
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from these days why don't we make our
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own ones of those and maybe parlay that
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into saying we can make our own server
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side infrastructure you know we can have
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the our own equivalent of bc2 and gfs
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and and a big table spanner and
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MapReduce and all that stuff like why
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can't we do that too uh basically this
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this is my this gets back another
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question last show you know what would
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you do if you were in charge of Apple my
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small one was new file system that big
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one was get their server side stuffing
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gear ah but the idea is giving apple
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level attention to products that will
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never be in the hands of users because
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apples like all the whole company's
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focus on making it so that when you go
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into the store and you buy this you know
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iPad Mini or whatever it's just an
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amazing beautiful thing that's what they
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care about you get that thing in your
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hand how does it work how does it feel
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has everything you know and then it
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seems like everything else that's going
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on back an apple like that their bug
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tracking tool which the people who do
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see to tend not to like and they're you
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know how everything to internally and
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what do they use for the data center and
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it's like well then that doesn't matter
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you don't see that when you go into an
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be no you have to also give that amazing
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Apple attention to detail and level of
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commitment to
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awesome things to the things that will
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never be touched by a customer and with
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it physically touched because even
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though customers will never be in your
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data center and will never see all your
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cool infrastructure and stuff that stuff
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does affect the end-users increasingly
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affects the end-user so even though they
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don't steal that stuff when I cloud is
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flaky and doesn't work right that
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totally affects the other users and
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that's that's the the philosophical
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turnaround that Apple needs to get not
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just like hey put a DQ in charge because
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he makes a trains run on time and we'll
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make iCloud kind of sort of do what it's
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supposed to do it has to be an area of
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excellence like it is with Google like
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Google stakes the reputation on their
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operational excellence they do amazing
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things in the data center with amazing
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technology like they concentrate even
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though Google's customers don't touch
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their server center Google's kind of
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customers have no idea but all this
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underlying technology but they know when
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something doesn't work or it's flaky uh
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so that that's the turnaround it needs
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to happen there and I hope Apple's
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amazing balls when it comes to what they
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think they can do in Hardware some of
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that transfer is over like maybe it
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sneaks in the back door like just the
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harbor guys going we're so awesome make
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a hardware now why don't we just make
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our own servers would be way cheaper I
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can just sneak in that way making your
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own service to run other people's stuff
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you know running Windows Azure whatever
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stuff on things that they make or
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running oracle on their own servers and
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maybe Oracle wouldn't ever give them
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support if they tried to run another
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hardware but you know I'm hoping this
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will steamroll into them getting
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religion about the server side but I
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know what the odds of that are and this
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is a follow-up QA almost done with the
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follow up here okay it's a question that
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was asked that didn't make it in the Q&A
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show but it got sent in regular feedback
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in it's all you have chosen seed that
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could I was supposed to pick those
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questions it was sent way after the show
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was already recorded okay so you show
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your chosen to receive a question and an
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answer it despite the fact that you had
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asked me to okay no that's cool it it'll
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be fine you'll be okay all right ah me
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and I asked answer questions in Fall
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Ball time sometimes I just answer them
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by email but I figured this one was of
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enough general interest maybe I'm wrong
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this is from brent Muir he says in hyper
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covel 97 you mentioned that York with
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work with oracle PL sequel have you been
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able to find a decent Mac Oracle query
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tool or he's been trying to find one for
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a while but can't find long
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and clunkier bloated blah blah I asked
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me if I use a GUI sequel query tool and
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if so which one uh-huh so what he's
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asking about is Muir Island is that
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where he's from Mui are I don't know
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them you're our Island maybe that's a
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mutant research complex so I've heard oh
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really I mean that's how do I believe
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you all right so this is asking about
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when you have a database you need some
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way to be able to type sequel queries to
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it and say here run this query and show
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me what the results are and there are
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lots of different tools to do that he's
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asking about a GUI tool we're gonna have
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some little window where you type your
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single query then you press a little
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button and then you see the results in
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some sort of like gooey table view or
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something like that and I think the main
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reason he's asking about this is because
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Oracle comes with and has come with many
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years a tool called sequel + SQL p lus
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spelled out that way that is a command
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line tool you run sequel + and you get a
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little prompt than you type to query and
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then return it runs your query and shows
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you the results anybody who's ever used
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a my sequel postgres or any you know
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open source database is familiar with
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this type of tool because they all come
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with the tool that you it's usually
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named after the database you type the my
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sequel command and you've got you can
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get a prompt and then type sequel
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queries and sure the postgres one is
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called psql without the G which I find
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frustrating uh and we're used to that
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type of thing now if you haven't used
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Oracle what you may not understand about
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SQL pluses a that it's really really
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really old and be that it's like
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seemingly never been updated to be
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better and what do I mean by better well
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this is a command line tool that has no
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red line support nerds know what that
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means but what it boils down to people
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who don't know is that red line is the
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library lets you do stuff like hit the
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up arrow to get your previous command
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history use the arrow keys command a to
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go to the beginning committee our
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commander petroleo beginning at R okay
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to kill lines like line editing history
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in lining then we take for granted like
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who's going to make an interactive
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command-line tool that does not have any
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support for command history that seems
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crazy and yet in in 2012 if you get the
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latest version of oracle i believe we
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have close to the latest one at work and
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on the SQL plus thing that comes with it
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and I can try to do command history at
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the up arrow you'll see like uh carrot
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left square bracket whatever the command
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for a power like it doesn't work it
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doesn't it doesn't have you know line
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editing and this the defaults are crazy
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like the faults made for like a a
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mainframe terminal from years ago I I
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don't know exactly why sequel plus is so
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terrible i'm sure people will get me
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feedback about the historical
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terribleness of sequel plus and why they
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can never ever change it because people
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have sequel plus scripts that rely on
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its terribleness everything about it's
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terrible command-line options how you
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connect the kinect strings that the way
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results are displayed it is perhaps the
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worst widely used command line program
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in the entire world oh it's it's very
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obvious that anyone who you have to use
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Oracle in this day and age does not want
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to use sequel plus so the desperate for
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anything to use instead of sequel plus
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and they're asking about GUI tools now
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Oracle does make I don't know if it's
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Oracle I think it's going to be Oracle's
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own tool now called a sequel developer I
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think it's called it's a job of thing so
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right away it's pretty hideous on Mac OS
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10 but it is a GUI and it as it is
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actually better than sequel plus so my
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answer to brent is the GUI tool i use is
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Oracle's disgusting sequel developer
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java thing that's what i use i don't
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like it but i use it ah the the other
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advice I have for doing stuff is if you
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don't if you can't stand the Java thing
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visits gross and you can't instant super
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plus there is a command called RL wrap
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which you may or may not know about our
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L stands for read line RL wrap is a
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general-purpose command that will take
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some other command whose whose authors
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are too too lazy or non-existent because
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maybe the authors are all dead too and
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read line support that's the only reason
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I can think of either either your Oracle
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or this program was written by people
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who are now not living like how does it
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has a command line program not have red
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line support let's see it will wrap the
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program so that you're really talking to
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RL wrap and it gives you command editing
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and stuff like that and then it will
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pass that on to the to the underlying
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program so you can use ro wrap with
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sequel plus then they can alias and just
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run that alias and it works surprisingly
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well so I put a link to ro wrap in the
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show notes it's one of those UNIX tools
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that even a lot of UNIX nerds don't know
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about and why would you
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about it you'd know that if you ever had
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to use Oracle because you were very
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quickly say there's no way in hell i'm
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using the sequel plus thing with
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everyone or i got to find something and
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you find our rap so that was the one
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question i chose to entertain perhaps
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too obscure oh and one final question
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before we go through fault this is a
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question that many people asked and
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continue to ask and will continue to ask
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this is a question for you Dan Oh
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hypercritical t-shirts everyone wants to
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know what's the deal with that I have no
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answers them because i don't know i
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don't control the t-shirt so I'm asking
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you actually anything about every
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critical teacher in in this case you you
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haven't do control the t-shirts uh
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several t-shirt designs were put forward
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going back I would say even as far as a
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year ago and none of them i would say
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none of them were suitable i gave you a
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suggestion for a tag line and you should
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put this on the shirt and and do so
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you're saying now that you prove these
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shirts but you you you showed me like
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yes yes or no do you prove the last
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shirt then that we talked about I think
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that sure it's fine i'm not sure it
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would be what people want but i thought
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that shirt would be fine alright i also
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said i believe last time we discussed
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this that i'm also fine with a shirt
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that just has the name of the show
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that's fine with me too and i said i
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think i saw i said that uh other people
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may find just the name of the show more
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appealing as a shirt than the thing I
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suggested to be on the shirt um so in a
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case I have no objections to shirts uh
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but I'm also not doing anything to make
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them happen okay so let's do the shirts
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then we'll do them because I have
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production facilities in place now for
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all of this seriously i'm not i'm not
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kidding we're ready to do this you want
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feedback from from listeners about
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whether they want a simple shirt that
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just as the name of the show or a shirt
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with an obnoxious text on it that i made
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up uh we could do we could do both and
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sell both because i have a you know i
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don't remember what the original shirt
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suggestion was but I didn't like that
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one so i said if you're gonna put a
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bunch of text on it it's really it
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should be this thing that I suggested
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which I think no one would ever want to
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wear but I think it's funny uh or just
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the name of the show and that's you know
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generic
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and can we can we have your avatar on it
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that's the thing i don't like so many
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people have seen the other shirts like
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Merlin shirt we've all seen that one
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right piece has been for sale has had
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his face on it right we have done way I
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have requisitioned an avatar of you and
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it is great Jory Raphael did it the guy
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that does the other avatars in the guy
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show artwork and he did one of you and I
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version of my ugly head on their shirt
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whatever so I shall we do in a hole I
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question of look if you want to sell a
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lot of shirts we should make sure it's
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the people actually want to buy and I
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have a difficult time understanding what
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it is that people want out of a shirt
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like this okay so uh here's my question
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for you then would you be content with
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uh any any of these options are fine
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okay I'll tell you what it's my face and
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without plan show title or the the thing
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that I suggested okay so yeah so here's
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I'll just just going to put this out
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there uh we are doing t-shirts now so
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that is that is there we are doing
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shirts I will do a survey right now and
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I will put it what or by the time the
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show posts it will be in the show notes
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the show notes are going to be at five
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you can go and vote using this little
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survey which will ask which of them and
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maybe I can even show the images there
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the two shirts I I personally thought it
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would be wonderful this was very quickly
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vetoed by you i thought it'd be
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wonderful to have a little road sign
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that said sirak entering now entering
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syracuse accounting be towed yeah i
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would personally i would love the heck
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out of that shirt I'd get five of them I
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wear one every day over over my regular
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shirt that's how much I like it and I'd
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sleeping mm-hmm but you said no so the
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choice that we have are either the name
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of the shirt like I mean to the name of
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the show on a shirt that just says
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hypercritical would you want it to be
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the same
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sort of font and styling that we have
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for the artwork ah or would you wanted
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something different I don't know i'd
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have to see options but yeah but okay
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but that's the obvious way to go with
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that one okay and then the other idea
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that I had was your face with some text
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that you had suggested which I like that
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could be beneath it right you can put
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the face with the one with the name of
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the show to like I say the face is an
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optional you can say with or without the
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face either one of these two things
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there are many possible permutation but
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like what it comes down to is like these
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are evenly spread then I can just pick
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one right but if it everyone leans
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towards one thing you want it like these
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shirts are for the fans so I want to
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give them something that they would want
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right right so that's why I think they
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should have input into this and Plus you
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mean you want to sell a lot of shirts so
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you know don't sell the one that no
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wants to buy and you will but just so
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that people understand this you you will
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profit from these shirts this is I
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thousands of them yes I want yeah
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there's not there's not there's not a
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big margin and t-shirts I mean we do
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make a few bucks but it's after after
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production and shipping and the time
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that it takes for the people to you know
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box them up or package them up and send
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them away it's it's not a lot but you
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will you will be a winner in the
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profit-sharing game I'm assuming that's
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a minimum threshold where you have to
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sell certain number shirts or to be
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profitable at all so well yeah but I
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mean it's it's got to be and it's got to
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be a couple hundred at least but I'm
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sure well I'm sure what's up way more
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than that will so way more than that
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will sell I I predict we sell I don't
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know I don't know Merlin sell Merlin
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knows how to sell off shirt ya know he
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had many shows to to uh but I'll tell
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you what it were here's the thing though
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they're not gonna they won't make it to
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people by Christmas oh yeah no this is
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not like a Christmas thing or like and
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this may all happen after the show is
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off the air which I have no problem with
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like a fans want shirts you know like
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people have called it a commemorative
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t-shirt like hey remember that show you
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so listen to it's gonna anything that
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could we put a little commemorative
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symbol on it somehow you don't need to
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put like years like it's a gravestone I
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would love it might be fun a little
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morbid in memory of John syracuse's
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that's the
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two more but okay I'm just an idea guy
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you're gonna have to run so there so
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there is some motion on t shirt front
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fans 42 minutes in can I do a sponsor
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yet you can hover com simplified domain
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want a domain that's what you want
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commnet CEO TV whatever that's what you
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want and a lot of these places they'll
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try and upsell you and stuff they'll try
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and sign you up for stuff that you don't
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want they'll try and you know at the
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last minute they'll change the
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registration from what you thought was
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one year to two years so all of a sudden
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you're paying twice as much and you
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don't know why and this the reason why
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is because they want your money well
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don't want to nickel and dime you they
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know to give you a hard time with it
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they just want you two to be happy they
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just want you to be happy so you go
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there you enter a name in the field and
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they should tell you if it's available
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or not and then and and then you
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register it and they give you free who
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services where if you go through that
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awful process of trying to liberate your
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name from some other place they'll do it
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they'll just do it for you so here's a
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for their services for the email stuff
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out hover com son Dan sent me 42 minutes
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grant bag show I know I'm just saying
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we're gonna have to squash into two more
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sponsors before you're done well I can
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go on for a long time I know you can't
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just a heads up you know yep so here
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might hear my grab bag tops for today
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I've got google maps iTunes 11 Tim Cook
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thing twitterrific 5 wow wow let's start
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with twitterrific 5 or is is dire am I
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in do I have any influence over this Oh
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IRA said that you I I'm just listen them
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all so we know because I don't think
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we're gonna get to all Oh we'll get a
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wall because they'll go along now get to
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a mall all right I will I will hoist
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twitterrific 5 up to the top I just want
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to keep them that seems like you know
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we're in my it seems like a quick win
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you know I'll sing always think things
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always seem quick don't then yes they do
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I start talking about them all right
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this actually will be quick i have
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actually no notes on this is all just
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going off my head my notes are words
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twitter i pick in the number 5 so
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Twitter 5 is out twitterrific is a
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twitter client I've been using
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twitterrific since its original
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incarnation it has a unified timeline
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what I call the unified timeline we
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describe a some past shows basically
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it's a single time sorted list of tweets
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doesn't matter what kind of tweets they
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are or why you're seeing them is just
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one big long list and it's sorted by
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time so you see the tweets from the
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people you follow you see retweets from
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the people you follow you see any tweet
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that mentions your name you see tweets
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that are replies to you you see your
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direct messages all in one list all
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sorted by time and that's the way I like
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to read Twitter and app net because it
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gives me one list to go through and I go
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from the bottom up to the top because
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that's the way people do Twitter clients
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these days and that's it no switching to
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different panes now checking your
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replies over here and are checking your
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direct messages over here even those
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those alternate views do actually exist
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I never used them so that's twitterrific
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ah and I have tried and purchased many
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many many other Twitter clients uh from
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the original tweet to all have to modern
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things like tweetbot of the official
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twitter client until it got gross and
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you know tons of other what a twilight
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or twinkle or whatever that crazy one as
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well it what is your current as of right
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now what is your current choice you're
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number one you're number one for twitter
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client yeah twitterrific like i was
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saying as I've tried so many other ones
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and I've always ended up coming back
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twitterrific I the only other ones i
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even have installed anymore is I still
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have tweetbot installed I believe ah
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that's it I think I'll see other bunch
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of kind of favor I think twinkle was the
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one this is amazing you think about
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Twitter the way it is today but it was
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either I don't remember what it is some
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mole do you think it's twinkle in the
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chat room it was the one made by that
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company that employed Mike Lee uh way to
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remember I remember
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the company was and what they were
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trying to do is make a twitter client
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but like attaching their own social
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network to it oh so like you did stuff
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and like it's posted to Twitter but it
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also tracked other information about you
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and had its own like social network
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thing built in like it was can you
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imagine like they don't even let you
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make a regular twitter client these days
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and these guys in the early days were
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making or make trying to make their own
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social network piggybacking on the
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Twitter social graph yeah that would not
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fly these days different different time
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totally different time the old days a
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good to salad days yeah uh anyway uh I
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always try out the clients like I'm not
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just stuck on Twitter but I do like the
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unified timeline and lots of like
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clients don't have that so that's
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keeping you away from other clients a
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lot including tweet but uh but here's
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the thing about twitterrific I used it
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when it came out and then they came out
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with a version to an aversion to was not
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like version one with like stuff tweaked
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it was like an entirely new program it
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just happened to also be called
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twitterrific there was some similarities
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in like the default dark theme which was
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one of their distinguishing
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colors the same and of course the icon a
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little alley tweety bird which the
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in various ways was the same but
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one right and that was disconcerting to
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me and I'm like what but I like
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twitterrific and now this is other thing
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that you also call twitterrific it's a
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totally different program so we're on
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twitter if Rick five now and every time
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a new version is twitterrific has come
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back I have liked the old version better
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than the new version at one way to look
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at that is that twitterrific is getting
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worse and worse over time but that's not
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actually the case what happens is that
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I'm like oh my god this new version I
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can't use this I'm stickin with the old
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one but by the time the new version
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comes out the old version which used to
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be the new version I like better than
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like I come around the other side so but
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I'm twitterrific three came out I like
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twitterrific to better than Twitter
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every boy yeah and I said ouch whatever
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free what are you doing i love
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twitterrific to it's perfect don't
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change the thing what I just you don't
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need to do anything maybe just add
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support for the new retweets or
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something but you don't need a whole
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app and this happens every single time
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22 23 when three came out of like no I
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like you know but knowing for came out
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and said I'd rather stick with 34 is not
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and then it's it and like wasn't this
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the version that you refuse to upgrade
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to a little while ago and it's an
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amazing phenomenon of uh you know Isis
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just sticking with something you've
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heard know you're with they're just
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having an emotional attachment to the
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particular look and feel of the client
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cuz it's not like they did radical
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changes in functionality it's mostly
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just look and feel and how things are
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arranged and where buttons are and stuff
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like that ah so I'm amazed again that it
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happened you know Twitter five once
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again Twitter hook five looks like that
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burned twittering for to the ground
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wrote an entirely new application it's
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like just has the same name and again I
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like Twitter fit for better than Twitter
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five and i said i know i just want to
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stick with four but when twitterrific
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six come out I sound gonna feel about
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Twitter and five know if I was perfect
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six what are you doing you messin things
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up it's an amazing phenomenon to me ah
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that's just what I wanted to mention ah
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now it could be like every time I was
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like all right that happened last time
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but this time no seriously guys I really
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do like the old version better uh and
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this time I'm not gonna come around it
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it's not just a matter of being used to
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the old one there are actual real things
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that are different about this version
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that I don't like they're gonna keep me
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on it of course I've thought that for
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all the past version 2 and it's turned
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out not to be the case ah so this time
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around uh yeah got Twitter hook 5 and I
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like to work for better because it looks
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nice not because of the functionality
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Turner 15 actually has better
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functionality they finally added pulled
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to refresh with a cute little animation
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with that bird coming out of an egg ah
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and it's it's faster and responsive it
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has more features like it's just that my
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tweets don't look like they used to and
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for something you stare at so much like
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I use Twitter a lot I'm constant looking
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out on my ipod touch stuff you get
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attached to the way things look like
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that's not what at weeks supposed to
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look like things are rearranged or in
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the wrong colors and are in the wrong
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fonts to the wrong size and yeah so this
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is the challenge of making new software
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and I applaud icon factory for across
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five versions continuing to do this say
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I think it called that on Twitter a
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Phoenix like transformation like every
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time they just burn there that their
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most beloved think you know the beloved
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Twitter client they burn to the ground
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and make a new one and they just you
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know they don't backslide and they don't
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you know go back and change it so it
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looks like the old one they just plow
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forward it's
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admirable and very interesting of course
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if you've never used whatever for them
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Twitter 5 can stand on its own merits
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but apparently I'm sentimental about the
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way software used to look was that fast
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those fast is pretty fast Google Maps
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thanks google maps boy oh boy it's time
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I write one was that yesterday yesterday
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yesterday morning brand new google apps
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Google Maps app for iOS came out and
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people have been installing it on iOS
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and it almost immediately became the
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most popular app in the App Store it has
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ten thousand four and a half or five
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star ratings I'm just looking at the
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link you sent ah yeah you have to guess
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you have to show it to him to see if
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they want it you're asking me if you
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could show them the shirt yes can I show
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them that yeah you have to in the poll
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right well I'm going to in the poll but
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I just wanted to be sure okay yeah I
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mean you have to have to get an opinion
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yeah I've just put that into the into
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the chat room that is the forerunner
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sure in the shirt as opposed to just the
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name that is the shirt that we have
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proposed I certainly would buy one of
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these would you like it in the sort of
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Oliver would you like it in the asphalt
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or is there something different to you
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and by the way that is is that it does
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look like you as that idealized version
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man yeah well that's how I see you there
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you go yeah no I like that I like the
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green color I also like great to either
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one of those colleges fine so that would
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the choice be that shirt or just along
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with the name or just the one that shirt
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or just the one with the name or how
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about one with the name and your face on
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also an option those are all okay those
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are going to three options whatever the
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people want got it check all right uh so
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Google Maps yeah we've gone through some
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past shows about Apple ditching google
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for their mapping trying to do mapping
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on their own that not workin out too
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well for them due to mapping data issues
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even though the Apple maps application
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is actually pretty cool and then there
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was the question of will Google make its
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own Maps application for iOS and the
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other question was will Apple allow that
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to be in the store you know for
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a cranky reason they might decide no you
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we want you out you can't have your map
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you know they make the rules owes it was
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the possibility so we have the answer to
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that at least Apple allows Google's map
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application to be on the phone it's not
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the default map application you can't
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change that or anything like that but
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you they did allow it to be sold on the
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store and we also know the answer the
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question of will Google deign to make a
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map application for iOS yes they will
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and here it is and we kinda had the
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answers those before every school said
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they were working on something and blah
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blah blah but so many questions have
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been answered by these distance of this
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of this application and its presence on
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the store although there was a fun part
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in the beginning when it first came out
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wherever I'm like I can't download the
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store says this applications no longer
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available then you could spin out
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conspiracy theories about someone
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accidentally approved it really apples
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taking it down and they don't want them
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yet but it turns out it was just just
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Apple doing it's wonderful job of
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server-side software services sad ah so
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what does this google maps app have yeah
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it has vector map tiles instead of just
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bitmaps and which allows them to load
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faster seen on to load these giant
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bitmaps a great look really nice
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remedies has turn by turn directions
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which it didn't have before but which
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Apple's new maps thing do have if you do
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driving directions it will you know go
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through the directions one turn at a
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time for you instead of just showing you
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the source and destination of the trail
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between them one of the questions about
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this is all right presumably Google was
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not willing to provide these two
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particular things vector map tiles and
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turn-by-turn directions before when
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Apple was in theory negotiating with
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Google saying you know hey Google we see
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on Android phones you've got
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turn-by-turn directions of vector maps
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we'd like to include those in our iOS
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built-in Maps application that uses your
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data can we get that data from you and
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presumably Google was saying no and that
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negotiation didn't work out I think this
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is all hearsay in rumors I don't think
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either company has officially revealed
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the details of their negotiations but
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the assumption is that Apple wanted
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vector maps and turn-by-turn directions
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and Apple and Google could not come to
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an agreement about them Google was
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saying you can have them but and Apple
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would say we don't like that but and
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they would go back and forth and
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eventually Apple just said you know
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we're going to make our own Maps thanks
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but no thanks we're gonna let this
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expire you're off the phone on iOS 6 and
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that's what happened and so that's that
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you know and then Google is at and puts
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these things on the phone well if Google
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was was trying to negotiate before I
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saying you can't have these vector map
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and turn-by-turn directions and then
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they turn around and just give them to
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them give them to Apple for free because
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this is a free application how does that
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make any sense suppose in Google's
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stupid not to give in to apples demands
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because then they'd still be the default
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map data supplier ah but I think it's
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pretty easy to explain because it's that
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but part you can have vector maps
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turn-by-turn directions but Google would
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say we want this stuff from you and what
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do they want they wanted more
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information about users and so when
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Google puts out its map application
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they're much more willing to provide iOS
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customers with vector maps and
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turn-by-turn directions because they can
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also get you to sign into your Google
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account from the map application and
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collect all of your data about what
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you're searching for and where you're
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going and all you're looking you know
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and that's presumably all the stuff that
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Apple was not willing to give to Google
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when they were just the data provider
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for the default Google max application
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that Apple wrote uh so even though it
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looks weird and strange how we arrived
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at this point it actually doesn't make I
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think a reasonable amount of sense given
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you no plausible assumptions about what
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went on in the negotiations between them
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so when you launch the Google Maps app
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it wants you to login with your Google
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got a little check box so you can
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checked it whether you want to send
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anonymous information for Google to help
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them improve their services blah blah
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uncheck that thing but it's tiny check
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things you wrote yesterday like iOS
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doesn't really use check boxes they have
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a Google mindset in you soon every
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single screen you see in a Google iOS
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checkbox control style.css and that
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if you tap anywhere in that gigantic
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text block it will uncheck the checkbox
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maps on multiple iOS devices and I
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couldn't hit that stupid checkbox either
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this is google this is probably a label
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that you can tap the text area um so
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Google Maps a little bit faster a little
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bit nicer vector maps are nice the
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turn-by-turn directions seem to work I
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haven't used it to navigate anywhere
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maybe I'm going out this weekend maybe
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navigation services I don't only got one
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iphone so maybe I can do them both at
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once if you try to do apples driving
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directions at the same times you do now
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work because the apple one gets like
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running the background stuff where it's
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the google one you'd have to be in the
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foreground on that app so I don't know
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ah but anyway yeah it's a we live in
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interesting times this is very good very
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interesting too and thinking about the
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mapping issue like everything I mentions
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last time we talked about maps but you
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know there's only one world here and
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it's just it seems like such a shame to
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their own data about the one earth that
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is the same for all of them all right it
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our efforts and what I was thinking
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companies frequently have patent cross
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slicing agreements or other intellectual
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property cross licensing agreements like
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between Apple and Microsoft and Intel
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and AMD and all over the place with like
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you you don't sue me and I don't see you
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property right a map cross-licensing
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agreement this probably exists already
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too but we better if we had more of
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those where they say okay I can use your
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map did and you can use mine and we'll
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work together you know and on the
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broader scale sort of worldwide
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collaboration between everybody to let's
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all just make the map of this one planet
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better together and that's kind of what
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openstreetmap is I put a link to that in
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the show notes I better description is a
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free worldwide map created by people
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like you and at various times I don't
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know if this has ever been proven or
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just rumored it seemed like Apple and
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Google both used OpenStreetMap data to
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help make their data better and it's
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good that opens bootcamp exists but
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we're really need is the reverse Apple
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we'll Nokia all those people giving
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their map data back to openstreetmap or
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some other
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today the fog forms of similar role like
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the entire world working together to
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make one extremely accurate extremely
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detailed constantly updated map of all
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the infrastructure and land masses and
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everything in the world doesn't that
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sound like it would be better you know
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instead of having people do its thing
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separately but you know make the maps
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better for everyone at once yeah
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unfortunately map info is clearly a
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competitive advantage in the in the
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mobile market right now so there's
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little chance of that happening because
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the only people who are motivated to
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share are the people who are losing
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working running multiple maps does work
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I don't were you surprised you were
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right because apples you know Apple gets
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to play by their own crazy set of rules
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and me and then one other person gets
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the play by the restrictive you know
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third-party applications that a rule so
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they should you know that's why it works
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like if you had to run to third party
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application at the same time maybe
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that'll work togas with a new background
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api's oh right it's just kind of a shame
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that we we as customers are suffering
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from these big giants technology giants
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fighting with each other using their map
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data as like a weapon we just all want
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to get what we're going we want the best
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map data possible and yeah and so of
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course uh you know Apple and maybe
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Microsoft or whatever yeah that's all
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work together making maps in Google who
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apparently has the best map date is like
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you know what maybe we'll just keep our
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map date and you guys will just suffer
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it down there it's a shame already on a
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sponsor before I do itunes 11 oh that's
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what's uh that's what's up next it's
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what's next well that's gonna be a big
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one I put this poll up by the way I
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heard you people complaining about no
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Sarah qz county option no no sir who's
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counting up no he said no he said no so
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am I gonna do you have many options
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there are many options listen that's
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just not one of them there are many
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others like it but this one is mine no
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our friends over at Rackspace have this
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new thing called a male gun it is an
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email automation engine it's used
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already by over 10,000 developers to
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deliver parse and track emails through
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their applications a lot of
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transactional email companies out there
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they just focus on delivering the email
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which I mean that makes
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so you gotta deliver it right but not
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male gun they've got a REST API for
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everything what that means is you can
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fully automate outgoing and incoming
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emails and you can get tons and tons of
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analytics about them on everything
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really they don't just deliver your mail
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John they help you automate your
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application the nice folks over email
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five by five one else well Dan sent me
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but in this case five by five and you'll
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five by five male gun I just figured out
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that's it that's a PlayOn nail gun right
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just figured that out okay one of those
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things just obviously everybody but if
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you don't think about it so would have
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put up the poll go vote polls in the
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show notes why buy from the TV such
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hypercritical session the eight then go
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there and they vote how long do we get a
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given to vote for I don't know I want to
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start doing these next week I mean like
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like we saw with the last one after like
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a couple hundred or thousand people
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enter like the percentages probably
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won't change too much I'll give time for
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people to download the show here about a
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quart of the show notes both boss at
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least a week grant alright so next week
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on Friday of next week on our 99th show
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this will be our pre Christmas show uh
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people can at that time we will close
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the voting and we will we will allow
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people to render their decision and I
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will present it to you alright that's
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fine with me I'm presume enough people
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have answered with 20 people advanced
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know we've already let me see how many
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have already replied right now a 134
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people have replied so already we and
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add no good start yes i would say off to
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a fairly good start and when i'm sure
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yeah and do you want to do on a guess
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just by glancing at this not on this is
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not a scientific thing would you like to
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guess the one that seems to be in the
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lead right now
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let me go look at the survey so we can
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see what the options were actually and
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you would think that by my showing the
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picture the image of the one with the
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John Syracuse avatar plus there are many
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things wrong with the shirt that that
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would automatically be the winner but
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maybe not no I did wouldn't have guessed
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that one I would guess just the text
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load so far that is that is what I'm
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seeing here it's close the ad there are
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many things wrong with this shirt is
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akin very close second there's now
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hundred and forty-six responses all
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right o people they're neck-and-neck man
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they're neck and neck almost nobody
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almost nobody wants the avatar plus
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hypercritical that thing is tanking yeah
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it's too uh it's tanking now there's
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more dollars they say that is what they
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say all right iTunes 11 you know your
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listeners have you installed itunes 11 I
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have installed it my first I just
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install did it work and then i installed
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in home after i decided there was no so
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there's no stopping it uh this footless
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came out like two weeks ago or something
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was it that long ago the two weeks it
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seems less seems like such a long time
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ago seems like glass yeah so iTunes 11
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we saw teased many months ago when did
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we see a tease it was like when the ipad
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mini was announced I think huh they said
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oh and also we have as great new version
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of itunes look at it it's all crazy and
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stuff like that and it will be out in
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november and they like barely made it in
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november because they really said on
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november 31st / daughter yes that's at
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least two weeks ago uh here's the thing
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about itunes like if they're going to
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come up with a major new version of
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itunes as they were presenting iTunes 11
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it's not just an incremental change
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let's show you all these features look
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at all this crazy stuff right the reason
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for a big new ID version of itunes it
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would have to address whatever is wrong
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with the previous version of my trail
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isn't and here's what i would say my top
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picks for what what was wrong with
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itunes 10 and earlier and then we'll see
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how itunes 11 to us to address those
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concerns and then people have their own
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lists of what they think was wrong with
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itunes they're like it lots of people
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have complaints about itunes
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hear that a lot even though everyone
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hey iTunes maybe they all hated for
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different reasons so here are my number
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one mmm terrible performance and
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reliability when it comes with dealing
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on iOS devices that's sounds very
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specific and pinky but i think it's like
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you know it's one of the main things i
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use this purpose thing for especially in
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the days before wireless sync and
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everything but even in the age after
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it's something there are some things you
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still need to connect your iOS device to
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your Mac to do like if you just ripped
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your own video and you want to shove it
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on there I think it's still the only way
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to do that is through USB cable or
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wireless it would be a wireless
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equipment like you have to use itunes to
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do it I don't think there's any way
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through i guess you can put it in your
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dropbox and try to get it open and
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anyway uh I still end up connecting to
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itunes laden and I have lots of iOS
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devices oh I find myself there a lot uh
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there are even stuff like my ipod
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shuffle but that's the only option if i
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want to change what's on my ipod shuffle
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which is where i listen to all of my
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podcast for the most part i I have to
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connect it sometimes I'm doing it every
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day basically I'm connecting my ipod
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shop will do my thing using with iTunes
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so that's that's a very important
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function of itunes for me is dealing
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with iOS devices and everything about
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that experience is terrible terrible
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performance means that like doing almost
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anything with my iOS devices not just my
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shuffle but even the more advanced ones
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like touches and iPads and stuff it it
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hangs the entire UI like when it's
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syncing stopping to my shuffle or like
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when it's just connecting or whatever
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there's nothing else you can do i get
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the beach ball or if I don't get the
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beach ball I can click and it doesn't
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respond is hanging the whole UI so
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that's that's performance ah plenty of
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situations where i get a device stuck
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when it's sinking like it's you know
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sinking forever and not actually on you
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know never completes or it sinks for
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really really really really long time
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and it fails at the very end and you're
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like all i gotta try it again and it
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sinks for a really really really long
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time then fails at the end and if that's
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maddening another classic one is can't
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sink because the sync operation is
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already in progress you're like oh now
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do we need the hard reboot this iOS
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device do i need to restart itunes
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they're going to restart my computer
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credibly frustrating error message is
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about Oh couldn't sink x y&z but doesn't
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explain to you why or just says these
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aren't compatible as this device and
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that's not true because you know they
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are compatible
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because if you get the file in there
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another way Oh terrible lot but you know
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lots of things that are unclear about
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what will happen when you sync like you
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want to know all right after if I put
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this in here and I think that's what is
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the outcome of this operation gonna be
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and it's very unclear Oh what that's
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going to be especially when it comes to
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figuring out what to do about changes
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you made on the device versus changes
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that you made an itune have a reconciled
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with each other and no matter what it
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picks it's gonna be wrong in some way
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like so I'm not so much something like
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oh it didn't do the thing that I wanted
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because yeah it's never gonna do the
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thing you want the problem is there's so
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many possible options but what the job
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of the app is to at least show me like
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even if it's gonna make decisions that I
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don't agree with show me what the result
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of this operation will be don't make me
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surprised to go oh my god it wiped out
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all these files or replace this version
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with an older or a newer version or did
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something else that I don't want is the
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UI doesnt show me what what it's
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supposed to be doing that's that that's
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the second item is confusing you I and
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not just for iowa's things by the entire
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application I the most confusing thing
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about the iTunes U I I the previous
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iTunes U is a lots of small pieces of
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hidden state like I don't maybe program
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maybe non-programmers don't think about
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programs this way but I'm thinking about
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you know somewhere in memory isn't state
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information that itunes has about what
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it's doing and that state is really
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important to the way this program works
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but I can't see it because there's no
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visual representation like one of the
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pieces of state is oh the thing that's
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currently playing the track is currently
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playing what is that thing part of is it
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part of a playlist is it part of you
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know a filtered list is it a part of a
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smart playlists a part of an album like
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when I hit next or previous what will
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that go to that information about where
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this thing is playing itunes knows and
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you can kind of figure it out by looking
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at okay the little speaker icon is next
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to this thing and stuff like that ah one
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of the ways you can also figure it out
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is if you are not you can't pause when
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the currently playing when a list that
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the currently playing thing is on is not
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selected the the pause button change to
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a stop button so if you're someplace
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else in the application looking at
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something else when you were playing a
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song from a playlist you can't hit the
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little into the little pause button as a
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the square on has the stop icon on it
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because
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I don't know why because this is it
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that's the same hole you that uses to
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let you know that if you were to hit
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that button now we're just gonna stop
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what we were doing and do a new thing
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we're not going to pause the track in
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progress but when Yuri selects a your
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playlist that the thing was playing them
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I was like okay now if you hit it you're
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just pausing in that playlist and we're
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not gonna lose your place or whatever
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that's terrible way to express that
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state it's a terrible you I I hate it I
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hate having to go back and select
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something so i can find the pause button
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so i can actually use the pause button
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to pause the thing the status area of
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itunes that little like fake LCD display
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is supposed to I guess look like a
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stereo component system that you know
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kids these days probably don't even know
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what the hell that is but I think that's
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what it's supposed to look like or maybe
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suppose look like a car stereo or
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whatever it is uh it's not so much that
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it's skeuomorphic trying to look like a
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crappy low contrast LCD display although
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that I think is dumb because why would
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you intentionally make something low
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contrast if they've changed our mind and
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that a few times to like is it supposed
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to hug you I'll see the years it just
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grayish text or whatever but that's not
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the worst part about the worst part
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about it is that it's just one display
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for the whole application so what even
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when multiple things are happening at
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the same time that display shows like
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one of them or cycles between them or
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lets you cycle between them like if
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you're downloading podcast at the same
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time you're playing a song at the same
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time an iOS device is sinking and you
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want to know what the progress of any of
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those things are I hope the little
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stupid display showing what you want if
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not fight with it to try figure out you
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know or change your view or click
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something different the sidebar to make
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that one stupid display show what you're
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doing uh it's like this is a type of
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thing where they sailed we're gonna do
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visual simplification it's one window
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with one status display but the
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application isn't that simple you can't
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simplify by merely changing your status
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display to just be one window unless you
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also change it to be that only one thing
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could be happening at the time or fit
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all your status in that window or
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something but they don't do either one
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of those things uh an iCloud just let
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for all the benefits that have brought
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over mold me just as even more weirdness
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on top of this all i have a link in the
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show notes for an arse article called
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itunes through the ages that takes you
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back through the history of itunes it
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maybe you don't didn't live through it
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so you don't know what I things used to
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be like we can look at how it's changed
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over this is a neat yeah we had this on
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the frequency and like a week or so
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going and it's it has changed if there's
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some things that have not changed at all
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and there's other things that have
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changed so much
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that it's weird because this is an
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application that really has provided the
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same functionality at its core but then
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they've added so much other stuff on to
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it and yet some things are just
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uncannily the same and I call it iCloud
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here at least it's like it's like the
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status icon that broke the camel's back
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or it's like all right itunes they kept
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it anymore so you can see it in time
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line they kept adding more stuff you can
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do more stuff and more stuff and we have
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iOS devices and we have this and we have
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podcasts and we have all the stuff then
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and now is like the line you know we
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have a link to the store we have a link
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to paying a little in a way uh like the
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line items in listview just got any more
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and more things and now we've got some
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crazy cloud thing that can be in seven
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different modes uh you know where is
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this track and what happened to my
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original track and and why couldn't it
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be matched and what does matched mean
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and like it's just too much now like
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there's just too much information that
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they need to convey on top of the old
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interface which was just like used to be
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simple you know uh when it was just like
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a list of tracks and some metadata but
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now there's like a million things in
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there and iCloud just adds another
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variable to all the other variables and
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another huge set of functionalities it's
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just too much and now it admittedly sink
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in iCloud stuff like that these are hard
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you I problems I'm saying oh it's so
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easy they should obviously do something
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with the obvious solution it's not
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obvious how to fix all these things but
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you know I n iTunes U I that was
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designed in the modern era and not
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designed in an age when CD ripping was
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like the main activity yeah that's
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application it was like wut rip urn mix
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remember hey good I mean you can rip
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your cds alright that was like the big
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that was a big selling point and for a
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CD ripper it was like it was
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refreshingly simple and direct the good
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way you know had a reasonably more
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option you'd rip your cds to show them
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up but like that's what the itunes
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design is centered around and it hasn't
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changed since when despite the fact that
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what we do with itunes has changed
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radically ah so if you're going to say
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you know iTunes 11 you know a big change
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have better performance and reliability
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have less confusing user interface and
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particularly be centered around like the
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things we do with it now like you know I
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cloud and roll i use podcasting maybe
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it's an era
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thing but like acknowledge what we do
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now and de-emphasize the things that we
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don't do as much and like and build the
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UI around that don't just say okay we're
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gonna hide that option but just like
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rethink the UI like you if itunes didn't
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exist and you had to make an application
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that did these things now what would you
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make it look like ah so you know I turns
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11 chance for a fresh start ah but know
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that we did not get a fresh start uh
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which is a shame so the performance of
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iTunes 11 still terrible still can sit
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consistently terrible but we've
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established that maybe is it worse do
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you think it's worse than the previous
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version mmm some people have been saying
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like Oh iTunes 11 is doing stuff that
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the previous version never did but you
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know but certainly it's not like oh now
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finally it feels so much faster and
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snappier and more responsive that is not
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the case at all no it's that there's no
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improvement I'm just I'm just struggling
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whether I would say that it's worse it
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doesn't seem to feel worse for me it
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seemed but see there are all these
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little things that happen now that
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visually little visual things like when
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you you know when you switch between
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different sections there's little
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animations and things that sort of I
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don't know it's I think it's slower or
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even just playing some people saying
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like there were you know I think Daniel
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John could just tweeted today that he
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was typing and all of a sudden typing
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became less responsive in the
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application he was typing in and he quit
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itunes and it got fixed no you know what
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that's actually it's interesting that
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you mention that because i have noticed
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that too where i'll be typing in an
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application just the way he described it
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because i saw this his tweet too and I
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at first i thought well I'm sure it's
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not that but now I'm thinking maybe
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maybe it is something else going on
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it'll like capture it'll capture the the
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input and then it'll sort of release it
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later now I mean that could be like you
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know coincident point point zero version
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tweaks and Sylvia but certainly is not a
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big departure right and you know same
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thing still hangs when you're doing
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anything with an iOS device which just
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it makes the application feel old like
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the modern OS 10 applications Apple
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gives tons and tons of tools to
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developers to not block the main thread
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of the user interface to keep accepting
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events right do not do
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blocking device I owe on the main thread
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like that's the whole reason grand
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central dispatch exists like they have
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there's no reason for it right and it
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makes a terrible user experience cuz
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when i plug in my ipod shuffle as I do
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every single day I know that I can't
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bother click don't even bother trying to
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click anything else in itunes beach ball
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don't go to a different playlists don't
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take a look at what podcasts have come
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down don't go try to refresh them just
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once you plug that thing in and I tune
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starts mounting it or you change the
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tracks on a river the whole thing is
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blocked well it looks like the whole
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application hangs and it feels gross it
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feels like an old application the one
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that I treated about that still galls me
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and people are asking about why's the
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Preferences dialog is still at modal
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people are asking what what do you care
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like how often use the press that alot
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of your boxes that is that affecting
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your usage of itunes but in before we
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get to that but other people ask is what
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the hell does at modal mean it's a
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little sidebar on that for people
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wondering what a modality and user
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interface means so a mode is a state of
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the user interface ah where it's focused
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on a particular activity so the user
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interface changes in such a way this
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icon now you're going to do this and so
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the user interface will change to the
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mode where you're doing whatever this is
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and and modes are generally considered
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user unfriendly and the reason they're
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considered unfriendly is because you
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don't want Peter users to be stuck in a
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mode because you have an interface that
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changes mode and says okay you would
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like to do X now we're in the X mode
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that sounds fine it's like it's not
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great this the software is tailoring
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itself to this one thing that I want to
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do until you decide oh actually I want
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to do something else and if you want to
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do something else now you have to figure
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out how to get out of the mode you're in
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and then go into the other mode or
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whatever and get it you don't you're
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getting out of a mode can be frustrating
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if you're in a mode and you want to go
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do something else you want to just do it
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you don't be like oh how do I get out of
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this mode ah that that's why they're
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considered unfriendly a great example of
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software with modes is everyone's friend
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VI the UNIX text editor he has famously
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insert mode and command mode which if
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you describe this to a modern computer
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user sounds crazy and I would agree with
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modern computers you're in this class
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that is crazy ah insert mode is where
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get the type stuff like what why would
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there be a mode in a text editor where
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you don't get to type stuff in insert
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mode when you press the letter a key
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I'll letter A appear like when you're
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typing and and that's the way everyone
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wants to text editor to work like if I'm
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typing something when I type the letter
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A I want the letter A to appear but VI
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also has command mode where when you
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type things it doesn't interpret them as
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a request for you to put that text into
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the document it interprets it as a
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command VI users will tell you this is
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awesome because then you can have
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commands that are a single key press so
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if you you know Oh dollar sign has a
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shift or whatever but if you press uh
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you know I don't know if top of my head
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which one is down kay-kay down yeah
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let's get Nadia if you press the key
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button when in command mode it will move
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the cursor down the line if you press a
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dollar Simon and command moto move the
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cursor to the end of the line uh all all
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your key presses are interpreted as
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commands and that's a mode because the
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same key press in a different mode does
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a different thing uh and you know again
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people who are computer nerds and
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excavating are you wait a minute jay is
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down k is out is there's now an item I'm
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not obviously I just left I was looking
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to run ages lap JS down k is up Ellis
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right hey its beginning of wine right
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maybe that's zero i don't know i'm
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obviously do not use me i know enough to
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get into you I I think they get into VI
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edit a document in ghetto I can I know
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xdd to delete line search go to
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beginning and save exit without saving
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like VI survival good this is one of
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those things where are the things that I
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learned in VI including like how to move
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around the screen and a little little
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insert in front of the line n to the
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line I don't know what any of them are
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if I was asked it's become muscle memory
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but i know very like i did this VIP code
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thing like the screencast and for like
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the week after that I was like the king
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of VI remember everything I was using it
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and then like after that I forgot it all
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and I'm back to like the five basic
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things that I remembered in 1994 when I
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first learned a is a pen not beginning
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Alonso is a hand and I is insert wasn't
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that was the last command
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anyway the key breakthrough for me for
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VI was like I would get into the eye and
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I didn't want to learn I didn't want to
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know what I'm like just giving it out of
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this thing but if you don't know the a
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command for a pen you can get into
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situations where you can't do what you
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want to do like I can't get to the end
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of this line when I go to the end of it
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won't let me move the cursor to the
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right so I can't you know you get it I
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to go in insert mode but then you're
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putting the thing before so you have to
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know a pen to get the maddening I do not
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like modes I do not like VI yes for the
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people asking chat room I mean Emacs
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person uh I was her a while that's like
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the only time I've ever in Lisp in my
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life but you know the whole nine yards
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the Maxis is my friend and even Emacs
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you get into them open you're gonna
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forget mini buffer and emacs if you're
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you know I'll under something else now
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sorry that command is not valid in too
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many buffer and DBP but it beeps at you
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and you're frustrated and even the Emacs
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has modes uh yeah modes are generally
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considered not friendly because you know
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you don't want people to be stuck there
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they want I want to do something else
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it's like actually you can't do
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something else because that's something
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else you wanted to do is interpret it
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differently in this mode oh well if you
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want to do something else you have to
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get out of this mode I hope you know how
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to exit this mode ah so modes not
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friendly now a modal window in the sense
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of a graphical user interface on modal
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window is a window that puts the
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application into a particular mode and
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that mode is usually deal with this
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window now please ah and you can't do
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anything else in the user interface
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until that window is dealt with lots of
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user interface on the Mac used to be
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modal back in you know the 80s and 90s
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for example open save dialog box used to
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be modal and you went hit commando to
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open a document you could not do
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anything in the rest of the application
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until you either decided to open a
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document or hit cancel that that's what
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we called app modal where the entire
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application is blocked by this one
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window that's up on the screen back in
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the old old days the whole application
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was system modal like when you were
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running an application you couldn't even
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see the finder I wasn't running anymore
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you you know it was so at modal was
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system a little back in those days
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basically because you couldn't run
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multiple applications at once when you
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launch an application the finder was
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gone all you were in was this
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application and so when you hit the
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commando to open a document you couldn't
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use the rest of mac paint or whatever it
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is you were using until you've dealt
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with the dialog box and
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couldn't do anything else because this
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operating system once you could run
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multiple applications at once there was
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modal a system modal dialog box or
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window would stop you from using that
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application but you could switch to
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another running application and use that
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in system modal dialog box you couldn't
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do anything until you dealt with that
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dialog box couldn't change another
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application couldn't touch anything its
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system modal huh all those things were
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considered unfriendly because you don't
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want to be blocked from doing what
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you're doing by this stupid window that
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wants you to deal with it uh it in OS 10
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in the modern era of course you can run
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multiple applications and everything the
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way OS 10 application should work and
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mostly do is that almost nothing should
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be mobile so you have tons of apps
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running at once you can switch freely
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between them open save doesn't block the
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entire application it's not at modal
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anymore and good applications you can
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have multiple occurrences of those
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running at once because they're you know
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sheets you know if you go to text edit
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or whatever and hit open or save uh well
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open and open seven dollar box but save
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or whatever you can have them attach the
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sheets to to our I'm in the middle of
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saving this document but I haven't
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decided where I'm gonna save it I'm
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gonna work on this one now okay i'm
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gonna try to save this one but i haven't
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decided where i'm going to save it you
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can have to save sheets attach a two
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different documents still go to a third
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document within the same application and
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work on it that's the advantage from not
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being modal like your whole application
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your whole work in TextEdit is not
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blocked because you haven't decided to
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make a decision about where you're gonna
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save this thing yet you can just have it
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stew over there of course autosave puts
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more wrinkles into this you can read my
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mountain mind review for more on that if
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you want but in general reduction of
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modes is how we make progress because we
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don't ever want to be trapped in those
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things those you know it's appropriate
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for some of these actions to block
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something like you can't do any more
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work on this document until you decide
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where you're going to save it if you
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don't want to say but now he canceled
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right that's appropriate but it should
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only block of that document that's why
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sheets were a nice innovation in
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reducing modality because previously the
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open say a dog a box would block the
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whole app and now it was just linked to
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that one document and so you could put
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it off to the side uh preferences
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getting back the getting closer back
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contract iTunes thinks preferences on
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iOS 10 are not only supposed to be non
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at modal like you should be able to do
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all their stuff on the application when
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that applications preferences
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dialogue is on the screen but ideally
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they should also be live updating I
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haven't looked at the human interface
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guidelines to see if they spell this out
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or actually recommend against it but in
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practice most of the mac applications
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that I like and that are good both from
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Apple and other places when possible
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they make it so when you change a
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setting in preferences if that setting
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changes something like visual in the
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application you can see that change so
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you can have the preferences when to
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open and hit some checkbox that says
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like you know hide or show bookmarks bar
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something sorry I don't know this is
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actually a case where it's live updating
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I haven't done in a while but ideally
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you shouldn't even have to you know open
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preferences change settings and it save
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or okay or whatever and then those
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settings take place you should be able
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to see them while you're fiddling with
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the preference yes and if you don't want
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to deal with apartment that's then fine
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don't click in a different window in the
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application preferences window is still
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open but you still use the rest of the
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application you can open Safari
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preferences and then open a new browser
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window and browse for a wild and go back
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to the Preferences window and stuff uh I
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hope this is true I'm just assuming
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because that seems like the way it
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should work but no I I have the
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Preferences window open right now I'm
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able to go to different windows two
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different things and no problem
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whatsoever and there there's a little
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there's a little window and I can
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command tilde around and get to it
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change it whatever I'd like it is not
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apt modal it is not system modal is just
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a window I like any other window and you
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can put a deal with it or not deal with
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it and that's the way preferences is
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supposed to work and the fact that
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iTunes preferences window is app modal
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like that is such a throwback to the you
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know it highlights iTunes origin as a
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classic mac OS application which is one
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thing you'll be young people might see
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when they look at that iTunes through
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the ages yes it started out as a classic
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mac OS application because Mac os10
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didn't exist yet uh that was something
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that those applications to do all it's
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not like you know pulling down menus
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it's another big one it has more to do
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with pre-emptive versus cooperative
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multitasking about you when you pulled
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down a menu from the menu bar in classic
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Mac OS uh nothing else could happen on
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the system menu was down and you know
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everything would stop frozen yeah oh
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they would they tried that you know okay
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everything stops except audio keeps
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playing everything stops itself as
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quicktime keeps playing or whatever but
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it was incredibly limiting all those
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things they've been trying to get rid of
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and so having a preference dialog box in
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2012 on your like what I
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have to call flagship application for
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Apple the company given how it interacts
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with iOS devices and the itunes store
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and everything when you pull the purpose
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of dialog box the entire rest of the
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application is blocked makes no sense
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except once you realize that itunes is
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an application originally developer
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classic mac OS that has been slowly
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changed over the years all right it's
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like a Scarlet Letter of user
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unfriendliness that's why that's why
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this thing is important because like if
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I need if I want to know like have they
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finally turned the corner on iTunes is
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this like really an all-new and iTunes I
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just go to that person style I box if
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it's still at modal then they haven't
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turned the corner and so yeah be
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preferences dialog box and I to an 11
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still at modal they have not turned the
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corner now so the upshot in itunes love
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performance and reliability have not
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been fixed whether they got worse not
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certainly have not been fixed the UI has
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not been rethought in light of you know
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what we currently use it with they've
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they've added to the UI and they tweak
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the UI but it has not been rethought
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they've added even more different hidden
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state for like you know what the up next
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list is attached to the thing and what
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you're searching and stuff like that and
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the hidden side bar by default and stuff
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you know and having figured out ways to
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do certain things with the old user
[TS]
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interface I now have to figure out how
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to do those same things within your user
[TS]
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interface up but you know that happens
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you do I knew how to use this old one it
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didn't make any sense but I figured it
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out I know I knew when I got to figure
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it out it again but there's no real
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benefit to figure out the new one like
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there's nothing good about the new
[TS]
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program that makes it worthwhile for me
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to learn this new way of doing except
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for the fact that like look you know
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soft fur up these gonna keep insisting
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that I updated so I better just bite the
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bullet and learn it so I give itunes
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loving a big thumbs down it's nice
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they're trying to do something with it
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i'm not saying i had to keep it the old
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one I certainly didn't like the 0 1 i'm
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not gonna say the old one was perfect
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you shouldn't change it i just i want to
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see performance and reliability address
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that's like my number-one and then
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rethink the you i don't just add to it
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tweak it or fiddle that maybe they think
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this is rethinking but it's just not
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it's adding more confusion on top of the
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way I think you know even if you go like
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okay i won't i won't show the sidebar
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I'll try to use it the way I want it's
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not enough of rethinking they didn't go
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far enough uh they added too much cruft
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on top of the stuff that was already
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so thumbs down boo yeah and if the bugs
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are bugs describing that's like I mostly
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use the mini player and the mini player
[TS]
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has this bug where every once in a while
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it will decide to show the album art and
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then draw like the previous track button
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right on top of the album art when many
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players in the smallest smallest mode
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you can get it you know shrink it down
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as small as you can get it horizontally
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so it's very very small every once in a
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while sigh i would like to display the
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album art underneath the previous track
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button it's just a bug it's an ugly bug
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but it's like didn't these people are
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like if you use them any player for a
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single day you will see that bug and
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it's it doesn't make me think this is
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you know high quality software and I
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knew like when iTunes they says going to
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come out and they didn't mention again
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first when they announced it instead
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it's gonna be out in November right away
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I said alright that's that's an
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application that's in trouble because
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they would like to have announced that
[TS]
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shipping that day but they can't because
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it's not ready yet and I immediately
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thought this is not going to be ready in
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November either it's gonna be buggy and
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it's gonna be a mess and here we have it
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so they obviously didn't have enough
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time right now it's time to do what they
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wanted or even enough time to get this
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thing nailed down so I'm said I'm our
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sponsor Shopify this is the guys that we
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set up and run your own online store in
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template you say add your products you
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pick your payment processor which could
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be values paypal and stripe you could
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use just authorized on then so your
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choice there's tons of pretty much any
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any processor that you like you can use
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and then you just ship your stuff it's
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easy to sell anything you want online
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there's no software to download there's
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nothing to host there's nothing to
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maintain you pick from over 100
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in the news not the last topic ever be
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that's what this link says Tim Cook was
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the show notes and so first thing to say
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themselves and saying we're opening the
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store like he would do news segments for
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spokesman for the company to talk about
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product to announce like yes they had
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we're gonna get to talk to Tim Cook that
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got like personally this guy we're going
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it's just you know Tim Cook's coming out
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party to the national media yeah and
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this is not about Apple this is about
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this guy and we're gonna talk to him
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we're gonna interview him it wasn't a
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Barbara Walters interview where he tries
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Tim Cook cry right it's not bad but it
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that than any Steve Jobs thing had come
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in like the modern you know Apple error
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it sure people wanted to talk to Steve
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things D things where he'd sit down and
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Apple but this is like well that's
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learning about this Tim Cook fellow what
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the company Apple and stuff like that
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personal interview then than expected
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almost as if you get the feeling that uh
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this was something that either apple or
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Tim Cook are both felt like they needed
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address concerns about it was it was
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bad things in the press recently about
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the map stuff and in the past we had
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point it was like not damage control but
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there was a certain angle to it's like
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about us and this you know this lets Tim
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shuffle and getting rid of Forrestal and
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brown and stuff like that like here's
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Tim Cook defining Sarah that was
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internally now here's the outward-facing
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manifestation of that Here I am Tim Cook
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i'm talking to you the American people
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about Apple I'm going to tell you what I
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we screwed up on maps and be honest and
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up front like it's like exchanging axe
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personal access to the the news media
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opportunity to sort of explain itself to
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the world which ah this I think this
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apples not going out of business right
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now like all eyes are on Apple and it's
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the Apple news is the first time you
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ah but speaking of that territory
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secret how can it be a secretive it's
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double innovation is a fight and he says
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volatility might seem odd I believe
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operational team that consistently in
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group of disruptors love him or hate him
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apple a more stable company I wonder if
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conflict and disruption to continue
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necessary component of innovation like
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you can't you know he says it might make
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for a more stable company and when I
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read that I thought of like the old saw
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that stable you know in biology is a
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euphemism for dead because anything
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that's stable anything it's not changing
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might as well be dead and that's the
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danger like you know what's gonna bring
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Apple down is it going to be bad
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decisions are just going to be you know
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too much stability and conservatism so
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by removing Forrestal which was this
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wild card and the source of tension and
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drama and everything perhaps that makes
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apple weaker because you need some
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minimum amount of tension inside the
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company to get stuff done and
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counterpoint to that is their article
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posted by Jason Snell just today
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entitled for Apple change could be a
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good sign and he links to the reins and
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repose thing which he's providing
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counterpoint to and he says this about
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after like nothing this is when I first
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heard word of forestalls departure the
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first thing I thought of was something
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Steve Jobs himself said and he gives a
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quote from Steve Jobs Stanford
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commencement address in 2005 it's this
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bit death is very likely the single best
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invention of life it's life's change
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agent it clears out the old to make way
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for the new right now the new is you
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he's talking to the audience and the
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commencement address but someday not too
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long from now you'll be gradually become
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the old and be cleared away sorry to be
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dramatic but it's quite true hmm so
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Snell's take on it is that you know you
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know things change you can't another
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form of stability is keeping the same
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crew with same tensions over a long
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period of time and like you know even
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though doesn't sound like stability
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because its fault on everything it oh
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changing being afraid to make that
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radical change in personnel is another
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way that you can end up stagnating and
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you know death is the single best
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invention of life saying you need
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something to come along and clear out
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the old you know Steve Jobs is kind of
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talking about himself there something
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like some day I'm going to die in
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someone else's got to take you over in
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the same way you can't have the same
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executive team forever uh it's good to
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have some kind of turnover and you know
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in this case it wasn't death but firing
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but it's in the form of corporate death
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that's a single best invention of apples
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corporate life that they need to have
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some turnover so uh I'm not gonna come
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down on one side or the other I think
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both of these points are equally valid I
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think I personally don't know enough
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about what's going on inside Apple to
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know was this good or bad I'm inclined
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to side with Jason overall given the
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imperfect information because I think
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four Sol's been there for a long time
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and played a significant role and if the
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things I hear about him causing
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disruption internally are true it would
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be difficult for me to imagine a radical
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internal change happening when he's
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still there and demanding to do exactly
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the same things that he wanted to like
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if he wants to have his little kingdom
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and not collaborate and everything like
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regardless of whether you think
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collaboration or having Silas is the
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right thing to do clearly apples been
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doing it one way for a long time and I
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think it's good to try a different way
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and if he was standing in the way of
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trying that different way then he needs
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to go that's what Tim Cook said his
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interview when asked about force tall
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and proud he you know deflected as usual
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and then said I've always believed in
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collaboration i wish i had a Tim Cook
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impression I can't I don't have a real
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one does yet yeah he's is it from
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Georgia or something or he's from the
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south he's got a southern accent but
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it's very tamp down anywhere says you
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know I've always believed in
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collaboration and it's not like a new
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thing for me and you know we think this
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is gonna help us you know that the hint
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is like he was not a team player he was
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not willing to collaborate or whatever
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he come out and say this but this is the
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implication uh and him saying it's not a
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new thing is kind of like saying look
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when I took over I wanted everyone to
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collaborate and I was already frustrated
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with the fact that these guys couldn't
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collaborate cuz they were fighting with
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each other but I gave it a try but they
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just couldn't work it out you know what
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this is the last straw and I said he has
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to go so that's what it came down
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seems like healthy dynamic to me that
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like he was willing to it was wasn't
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immediately coming in and firing
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everybody and putting a stamp and
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everything this is the egomaniac but at
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the same time he's like look I have a
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different philosophy about these things
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that Steve Jobs did and the way I want
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things to work is more collaborative and
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if this guys getting in the way then
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he's got to go and then brow it which he
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didn't address at all in the interview
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which is kind of a shame the exhalation
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sure that would have been good old Steve
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Jobs explanation that we've heard on
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past shows what can I say I hired the
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wrong guy yep you did and then you fired
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them Tim so I guess it's better than
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nothing but next time don't hire the
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wrong guy maybe and the final the only
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new pieces of information I really new
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but like a criminology or is that a
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thing where you're you're hanging on
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every word that uh you read that read
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the papers and uh what does criminology
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is is that where you're looking at
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communications between people and soviet
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russia trying to figure out what's
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really going on based on these you know
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subtle moves that you see in these
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internal memos that's why i think that
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it's hold on to me i'm opening it in
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wikipedia okay criminology is a study
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and analysis of the politics and
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policies of communist states and
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especially those the Soviet Union terms
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some overlap with Soviet ology which
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refers to the study of Soviet society as
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a whole the term is named after the
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Kremlin seat of today's Russian and then
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soviet government criminologists
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referred to academic media and
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commentary experts who specialize in the
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study of criminology it's sometimes used
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sweepingly to describe Western scholars
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who research issues of where specialize
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in Russian or Soviet law pizza box got
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it in the chat room people in standing
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next to Stalin where you'd see like who
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was standing next to Stalin and how in
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favor they were and like the next
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picture there are four guys away and
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you're like oh it must have been a
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falling out there like that reality so
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we're seemingly insignificant details
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but they're all we have to go on and we
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hang on them and so this one is one of
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those things is the one piece of
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significant information out of the
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interviews when asked about television
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Tim Cook said we haven't this is an area
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of intent quote intense interest unquote
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for Apple uh and why does that make a
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difference housing he said the same
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thing 50 times all but he used slightly
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different words this time he said this
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is an area we're looking into this is an
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area that's important to us now they
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have intense interest which is different
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than you know that's that's why i was
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thinking criminology cuz like all he
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said intense interest that's totally
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different
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you know they are slowly slowly ramping
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up the rhetoric on television of saying
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like oh we're kind of looking into it or
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we're very interested in this area now
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the interest is intense then it's
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intense it's not just regular interest
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and so uh yeah we don't know what
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they're doing TV but they are not
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backing off on the rhetoric and they're
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not dropping it there in fact cranking
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it up still no actual information about
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what like they're gonna do or anything
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like that but uh there you have it I
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don't have in mind to recap the TV thing
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you know the very first show we talked
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about television it's fitting towards
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the end we're gonna talk about it again
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but back in two thousand eight at the
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All Things D conference d eight
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conference steve jobs in one of his rare
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extended introducing out with walt
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burning took questions in the audience
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too and some of the audience asked about
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television and he gave an answer that
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basically said and in most the most
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direct manner you could possibly imagine
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steve jobs ever saying anything about
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future apple products is that Apple does
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not want to make the omnivorous box that
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I want right the omnivorous box would be
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a box that apple would make that would
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sit in front of all the other crap you
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have in your house and sort of unify it
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like that box would figure out okay I'll
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figure out what kind of cable you have
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and if you have a DVR and and of what
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premium channels you get if you have
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pay-per-view and I'll just unify it all
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together and I'll you don't have to
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worry about old ugly detail I'll figure
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it all out and I'll provide you one
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beautiful simplified Apple interface
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your entire world and we will do the
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super duper hard work to figure out all
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this crap and yes I know everyone has
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different cable services everyone has
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different boxes and different DVRs and
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different televisions and different
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their subscribe to netflix are not like
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we'll figure it out that's the
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omnivorous box that I want like
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competently made hardware not like TiVo
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competently made software again not like
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Devo with a beautiful Apple interface
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they would make sense of the rat's nest
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of crap thats hanging off of my TV but
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above that Steve Jobs said no we are not
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interested in making that box it's a
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loser you can't make money on it it's
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like you know it's a sucker's bet you
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can't actually be done competently
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Google TV on google said neyo hand will
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try to do that in google TV is trying to
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do this they're trying to be the
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omnivorous box and mostly failing so
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maybe Steve Jobs just write that as a
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sucker's bet and you
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it seems tempting wife we can make that
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thing or be beautiful really that's not
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the way to do it so uh I know Steve Jobs
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isn't running the company anymore but
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that was apples most clearly stated
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position on televisions like we are not
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going to do that thing even though I
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want it doesn't matter apple says nope
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we're not doing that so if it's not
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gonna be another layer it was not gonna
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be another thing you put in front of all
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the crap that's already there it has to
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be something that replaces or removes
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her obviates the need for one or more of
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the other stupid layers that are dealing
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with TV and so that's what we've all
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been waiting for like you put that stake
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in the ground we said okay well it's not
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gonna be that so it's got to be like
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take one of those things existing things
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attached to TV and make it so you don't
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need that anymore ah and that's really
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hard to do due to the current business
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models like the demands of content
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owners and the contours have deals with
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the various networks oh brother you know
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are allowed their content to appear and
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of course the infrastructure owners that
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the cable companies that you want to use
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our wires you know it's our rules and
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they have deals with the content owners
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but for packages and stuff like that
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it's it's a big morass and so we're all
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waking for Apple to break through that
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big tangle of crap with a compelling
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content deal or a compelling
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infrastructure deal or both and it's not
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a technology problem it is a business
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problem and so that's why Tim Cook has
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mostly just been talking about this
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stuff because they are they ship the
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Apple TV and stuff like that of the
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thing holding them back is not their
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inability to make some amazing new
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hardware device or anything about it's
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totally all those business deals all the
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entrenched interests and all the things
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they own cuz cable companies you know
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have wires going to our houses an apple
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doesn't and you know the the content
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owners have television shows that people
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want to watch an apple doesn't because
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they don't make TV shows and so how can
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Apple do anything in this area then not
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gonna make the omnivorous boxes gonna
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stand in front of those guys and they
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want to replace them or supplant them or
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wedge themselves into their business
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model and they don't like it so we
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continued to wait 100 shows have gone by
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and no progress has been made in this
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area for the people who think that
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everything Apple you know there's
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nothing new from apple they made their
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phone they made their tablet you know
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they made a new operating system there's
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nothing new it's gonna come from Apple
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this I don't know this is gonna be the
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last one but this is surely the next one
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in a hundred shows hypercritical almost
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a hundred shows it has not happened yet
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shame but it's an area of intense
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interest and I remain intensely
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interested but you're on you're on board
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with this when they you you it sounds
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like you're optimistic
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uncharacteristically optimistic well
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they keep cranking up there the public
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statements like what why keep you know
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that's not the apples way to you know
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like what when the ipad was coming they
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didn't hint for like three years or
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think we're really looking into tablets
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we have an intense interest in in touch
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screen devices bigger than an iphone
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like they didn't do that everyone else
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thought they were gonna make a tablet
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any time you asked Apple by the tablet
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they would say we don't comment on
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future products right but with a TV
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thing it's like we're totally looking
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into that area we're really interested
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in TV are you making something then they
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say oh we can't tell you anything about
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we're making but we're totally
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interested in TV yeah you know and
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that's what's interesting is how this is
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so different from you know before the
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days of doing anything with iPhones you
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know they were very anti iPhones and
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then oh no one wants to read on you know
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all of the all of the stuff that they
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used to say to whether that was what
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they believed no we know now that wasn't
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what they believed it wasn't throwing
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them off the scent like you were talking
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about and and now they're actually
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saying yeah we're interested in this but
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you wonder how far off are we from the
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real revolution in TV because listen I
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you know that if I didn't believe and I
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think you probably agree with me cuz I
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know how many podcasts you listen to but
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I believe that this is the future of the
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way that people will consume their audio
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stuff body i believe it's podcasting
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it's it's certainly not somebody's going
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to turn on a radio and tuna dial that's
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not the future of anything the future is
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people listening to the things that are
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interesting to them when they would like
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to listen to those things wherever they
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happen to be that's that's the future of
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the way people listen and people will
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always listen to audio stuff because
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it's a wonderful secondary activity you
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can listen while you're walking your dog
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or at the gym you can listen to when
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your roommate is watching something on
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TV that's stupid you can listen to while
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you're falling asleep whatever while
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