100: Metacritical


00:00:00   you're not supposed to argue with me our [TS]

00:00:01   own myself this is hypercritical the [TS]

00:00:07   weekly talk show ruminating on exactly [TS]

00:00:08   what is wrong in the world of Apple and [TS]

00:00:10   related technologies and businesses [TS]

00:00:11   nothing is so perfect that can't be [TS]

00:00:13   complained about by my friend and yours [TS]

00:00:15   John siracusa I'm Dan Benjamin today is [TS]

00:00:18   Friday December 28th 2012 this is [TS]

00:00:21   episode number 100 this is our final [TS]

00:00:25   episode this is the very last episode of [TS]

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00:00:50   well here we are last lab very last [TS]

00:00:53   episode hundred of hundred episodes [TS]

00:00:56   after this one will be in the king [TS]

00:00:57   that's true not a hundred episodes with [TS]

00:01:01   me but 100 episodes in the feed was [TS]

00:01:04   there only only one without you may be [TS]

00:01:06   22 well you didn't let us put the one in [TS]

00:01:09   the first one in but there was something [TS]

00:01:12   in the feed with that number there was [TS]

00:01:13   just your public service and 0 elsewhere [TS]

00:01:15   correct correct alright episode 100 the [TS]

00:01:22   final episode I've got a couple things [TS]

00:01:25   planned for this episode but they're not [TS]

00:01:30   gonna take too much time I think so [TS]

00:01:32   people who are hoping for an eight hour [TS]

00:01:33   final episode will be disappointed which [TS]

00:01:37   is appropriate i think to be [TS]

00:01:39   disappointed to disappoint dear your [TS]

00:01:41   audience I'm the final episode yes I [TS]

00:01:43   think they're already disappointed [TS]

00:01:45   enough that you're not doing the show [TS]

00:01:46   anymore there you go so that's what I'm [TS]

00:01:48   saying if it's been a theme you just [TS]

00:01:50   continue the wave yeah so we're gonna [TS]

00:01:53   have a little bit of follow-up then I'm [TS]

00:01:54   going to have my main topic for this [TS]

00:01:56   show which is not very long and then [TS]

00:01:58   we're going to end up with you asking me [TS]

00:02:01   your questions okay for as long as you [TS]

00:02:04   want to do that so like if I wanted to [TS]

00:02:06   ask an hour two hours were the questions [TS]

00:02:08   you're up with you're up for that well [TS]

00:02:11   you'll be exhausted but [TS]

00:02:13   you can't it people were asking that if [TS]

00:02:15   you were going to filibuster me I don't [TS]

00:02:18   know quite how that would work but yeah [TS]

00:02:20   I would recommend against that but you [TS]

00:02:23   know I said last week yeah you already [TS]

00:02:26   have your questions repaired you said [TS]

00:02:27   and I said to come up with one that you [TS]

00:02:29   think would be a reasonable way to end [TS]

00:02:30   the show and then I will flub it by [TS]

00:02:32   giving a lame answer and then that will [TS]

00:02:33   be it so do you thinks I'm like a plan [TS]

00:02:37   that sounds like a good plan i remember [TS]

00:02:39   the last time that i was permitted to [TS]

00:02:41   ascii questions was for an episode of [TS]

00:02:44   the pipeline where i interviewed you in [TS]

00:02:47   a way that that show is a little bit [TS]

00:02:49   that episode was a little bit like the [TS]

00:02:50   predecessor to this whole this whole [TS]

00:02:53   show that plus the gabe newell [TS]

00:02:55   conversation episode you were on I was [TS]

00:02:57   like come on do a show there you go and [TS]

00:03:01   then that was this so there you my [TS]

00:03:03   question is my questions by the way just [TS]

00:03:05   a little teaser mm-hmm aren't gonna have [TS]

00:03:08   nothing to do with technology nothing to [TS]

00:03:11   do with your mac pro or the amount of [TS]

00:03:14   RAM in it or tonight is or anything like [TS]

00:03:17   that that you're all personal there you [TS]

00:03:21   go what makes siracusa tick all right so [TS]

00:03:26   let us start for the first time for the [TS]

00:03:28   last time with follow up last episode I [TS]

00:03:33   discussed the wii u that you were so [TS]

00:03:35   kind to send me that we've been playing [TS]

00:03:38   that my son has been playing non-stop [TS]

00:03:40   since they came here and I said that [TS]

00:03:45   once I got it and transferred my stuff [TS]

00:03:46   over to it I realized after transferring [TS]

00:03:49   my stuff that I wouldn't be able to play [TS]

00:03:51   mario 64 with the gamecube controller [TS]

00:03:53   anymore because now mario 64 is over on [TS]

00:03:55   the wii u and the wii u doesn't support [TS]

00:03:57   a gamecube controller a bunch of people [TS]

00:03:59   sent me the links to people modding [TS]

00:04:01   controllers which is apparently a [TS]

00:04:03   burgeoning field i know they sell like [TS]

00:04:06   adapters and most lots of other things [TS]

00:04:07   like that but some people sort of have a [TS]

00:04:09   do-it-yourself type mindset well they [TS]

00:04:11   will take a dremel tool to a bunch of [TS]

00:04:15   controllers and try to make sort of a [TS]

00:04:16   frankan controller and one popular theme [TS]

00:04:19   is taking various controllers and wiring [TS]

00:04:22   them up to the bottom of a wii remote [TS]

00:04:25   the links i put in the show note show [TS]

00:04:28   notes about this are about someone [TS]

00:04:29   modding be a wee classic controller [TS]

00:04:33   remember that thing it's not the Wii U [TS]

00:04:35   pro yeah yeah similar yeah two analog [TS]

00:04:39   sticks d-pad buttons and like little [TS]

00:04:41   kind of horn type handles on it and so [TS]

00:04:44   what this guy did is open that thing up [TS]

00:04:47   chopped out the the printed circuit [TS]

00:04:49   board part of it mm-hm and then take a [TS]

00:04:52   gamecube controller and pull out its [TS]

00:04:55   guts and then take the chopped up [TS]

00:04:56   classic controller circuit board put it [TS]

00:04:58   inside the gamecube controller and then [TS]

00:05:00   a wire all of the controls on the [TS]

00:05:02   gamecube controller to the printed [TS]

00:05:04   circuit board actually solder it on [TS]

00:05:06   there to the printed circuit board from [TS]

00:05:07   the classic controller so it's basically [TS]

00:05:09   a classic controller as far as the wii [TS]

00:05:11   is concerned but all the controls [TS]

00:05:14   instead of being hooked up to the [TS]

00:05:16   thumbsticks on the classic controller [TS]

00:05:17   the hooked up to the thumbsticks on on [TS]

00:05:18   the gamecube controller and all the [TS]

00:05:20   buttons and so on and so forth it's [TS]

00:05:21   amazing that actually works but i guess [TS]

00:05:23   you know it's all nintendo all on the [TS]

00:05:24   family and all the buttons and switches [TS]

00:05:26   and analog sticks and similar signals [TS]

00:05:28   and so it ends up working of course this [TS]

00:05:31   is not a it is a do-it-yourself job if [TS]

00:05:34   you are very comfortable with soldering [TS]

00:05:35   and it's not super precise like micro [TS]

00:05:38   soldering but it's precise enough that [TS]

00:05:40   lots of contacts have to be soldered [TS]

00:05:41   very close to each other and you have to [TS]

00:05:42   you know be careful iming it's not [TS]

00:05:43   something that I would want to try [TS]

00:05:44   myself but apparently people do this and [TS]

00:05:47   then they sell their handiwork so this [TS]

00:05:49   is a reddit thread where someone posted [TS]

00:05:51   pictures and then also a link to a forum [TS]

00:05:53   thread where the person shows the [TS]

00:05:55   step-by-step things I tried to find this [TS]

00:05:58   presses name they can only come up with [TS]

00:05:59   uh or is it gum oh yeah good old gum [TS]

00:06:03   oped Gummo and then i read it he's gum [TS]

00:06:05   owned no and there's i also put a link [TS]

00:06:08   into one of the various adapters which [TS]

00:06:11   is the re the wii retro pad adapter to [TS]

00:06:13   that this is another wee thing not a way [TS]

00:06:16   you think but it lets you connect again [TS]

00:06:19   to the bottom where we mode and then [TS]

00:06:20   have another plug that into which you [TS]

00:06:22   plug an adapter cable where you can have [TS]

00:06:24   all sorts of control nes SNES [TS]

00:06:26   playstation playstation 2 gamecube [TS]

00:06:28   nintendo 64 Neo Geo CD and Sega Saturn [TS]

00:06:31   all those controllers you can use making [TS]

00:06:34   them look like classic controllers to [TS]

00:06:37   the way I'm assuming all the same things [TS]

00:06:39   either [TS]

00:06:39   already work with the wii u or similar [TS]

00:06:41   hacks will come out and work with wii u [TS]

00:06:43   so there's hope for anybody who wants to [TS]

00:06:45   play any sort of game with their console [TS]

00:06:48   using a classic controller any things [TS]

00:06:53   are pretty cheap tillich adapters like [TS]

00:06:54   25 bucks and the extension cables like [TS]

00:06:56   10 bucks for all of them so it's a [TS]

00:06:59   market by hobbyists for obvious and also [TS]

00:07:00   that some of these adapter things they [TS]

00:07:03   provide like the plans for you to make [TS]

00:07:05   your own so if you don't want to buy one [TS]

00:07:06   from this guy and you just want to do it [TS]

00:07:07   yourself you can buy all the parts [TS]

00:07:08   yourself and assemble them and solder [TS]

00:07:10   them together and everything pretty neat [TS]

00:07:12   alright next bit of follow-up is from [TS]

00:07:18   Jesse lane he was the first person to [TS]

00:07:21   successfully save me from myself when it [TS]

00:07:24   comes to mac address filtering on my [TS]

00:07:26   wireless network I shall talked about my [TS]

00:07:29   difficulties and setting up new devices [TS]

00:07:30   with because I have mac address [TS]

00:07:32   filtering on my home network and a lot [TS]

00:07:34   of devices don't show you the mac [TS]

00:07:36   address at the point where i would need [TS]

00:07:38   it they just want you to get on the [TS]

00:07:39   network and before you're allowed to see [TS]

00:07:41   what the mac addresses which is [TS]

00:07:42   frustrating so a lot of people responded [TS]

00:07:46   and tweets an email saying you shouldn't [TS]

00:07:49   do mac address filtering it's dumb and [TS]

00:07:51   that's not it's not helpful because the [TS]

00:07:54   show i explained you know you said water [TS]

00:07:56   here yeah here's why I do it and then I [TS]

00:07:59   said if anyone can tell me why the [TS]

00:08:01   reasons that I do it don't make any [TS]

00:08:02   sense by all means do so but just [TS]

00:08:05   telling me it's dumb doesn't tell me [TS]

00:08:06   that you know you're you know so to [TS]

00:08:07   review i was saying i did the mac [TS]

00:08:09   address filtering not because i thought [TS]

00:08:12   it was impossible like the tiger was a [TS]

00:08:14   security barrier because anybody can [TS]

00:08:15   pretend to have any mac address they [TS]

00:08:18   want that's simple right my idea was [TS]

00:08:20   that so fine someone looks at my network [TS]

00:08:22   and sees the mac addresses of some [TS]

00:08:24   devices that are on it says okay i'm [TS]

00:08:25   going to spoof that mac address my [TS]

00:08:27   assumption was that that person would [TS]

00:08:29   have a bad experience using my network [TS]

00:08:30   because if he's trying to use a mac [TS]

00:08:31   address that is the same as another [TS]

00:08:34   device on the network the two would [TS]

00:08:36   conflict with each other and it will [TS]

00:08:38   make that person said and you know [TS]

00:08:40   things won't work right so and people [TS]

00:08:43   who didn't address that it says you [TS]

00:08:44   shouldn't do mac address filtering it's [TS]

00:08:45   it's pointless you shouldn't do it you [TS]

00:08:47   know they never gave me a reason they [TS]

00:08:48   never acknowledge that they heard what i [TS]

00:08:50   was saying he said you know people can [TS]

00:08:51   spoof a maggot as well yeah of course I [TS]

00:08:52   said that on the show [TS]

00:08:53   sometimes it just doesn't fit in 140 [TS]

00:08:56   characters if it's a tweet or something [TS]

00:08:57   but Jesse Lane was the first person to [TS]

00:08:59   fried an actual explanation to show you [TS]

00:09:00   listen to the show he said I'm a [TS]

00:09:02   security professional that has done a [TS]

00:09:04   fair bit of work and wireless he says he [TS]

00:09:05   doesn't think mac address filtering news [TS]

00:09:06   worth do anymore he confirms that yes [TS]

00:09:09   even if you have a wpa2 network or [TS]

00:09:12   whatever all the MAC addresses of course [TS]

00:09:14   are visible because that's a layer 2 [TS]

00:09:15   thing so and it's trivial to spoof MAC [TS]

00:09:18   address like I said on the show which [TS]

00:09:20   acknowledged and he said it's incorrect [TS]

00:09:23   to assume that the person stealing your [TS]

00:09:25   mac address will have a bad experience [TS]

00:09:26   because the two conflicting MAC [TS]

00:09:28   addresses the network what will happen [TS]

00:09:30   he says is the traffic will go to the [TS]

00:09:33   whichever MAC address most recently [TS]

00:09:34   responded to an ARP request so the [TS]

00:09:36   malicious person on the network just can [TS]

00:09:38   send what he calls gratuitous arps to [TS]

00:09:41   say oh I'm the one who has that IP [TS]

00:09:42   address i'm a bit mac address and that [TS]

00:09:45   will effectively prevent your legitimate [TS]

00:09:47   house from ever getting a chance to talk [TS]

00:09:49   i put a link in the show notes to arp [TS]

00:09:51   address resolution protocol you can look [TS]

00:09:53   up what that is but basically once [TS]

00:09:55   someone gets your mac address and spoofs [TS]

00:09:58   it they can very quickly flood the [TS]

00:09:59   network with with gratuitous arp [TS]

00:10:02   responses saying oh I'm you know I'm the [TS]

00:10:04   guy with that mac address I'm over here [TS]

00:10:05   and it's this IP address so just keep [TS]

00:10:06   doing that and the other device since [TS]

00:10:08   it's not malicious and not trying to [TS]

00:10:10   steal it's you know steal an address [TS]

00:10:13   will never get any more packets and [TS]

00:10:15   we'll just sort of sit there and be sad [TS]

00:10:16   uh so and he says okay even without [TS]

00:10:20   gratuitous arp sees had to be easy to [TS]

00:10:22   just watch my network and select a mac [TS]

00:10:23   address of a client that's not used very [TS]

00:10:24   often ah like that's that's less likely [TS]

00:10:27   because most of my devices that are on [TS]

00:10:30   the Wi-Fi on all the time but uh that's [TS]

00:10:32   worth pointing out to and he says most [TS]

00:10:34   importantly wpa2 is very strong [TS]

00:10:37   encryption and he compares putting the [TS]

00:10:40   mac address filtering on it's a bit like [TS]

00:10:41   locking the latch hook on on a screen [TS]

00:10:44   door when you have a reinforced steel [TS]

00:10:45   security door right behind it so his [TS]

00:10:47   advice is to just use wpa two with a [TS]

00:10:50   long good password and turn off mac [TS]

00:10:52   filter and that's what i did so i am now [TS]

00:10:55   mac address filtering free on my home [TS]

00:10:58   wireless network and the last bit of my [TS]

00:11:00   defense is that this is one of those [TS]

00:11:01   things where you have to reevaluate [TS]

00:11:03   stuff as time going on because i put the [TS]

00:11:05   mac address filtering back when I had [TS]

00:11:06   you know [TS]

00:11:06   WEP when when the security was a joke [TS]

00:11:09   right long long ago and just never [TS]

00:11:11   turned it off I just kept it on because [TS]

00:11:12   through a series of apple airport uh [TS]

00:11:15   wireless things that it keeps importing [TS]

00:11:17   my setting and I just never turned it [TS]

00:11:18   off there well you know it was a good [TS]

00:11:19   thing to have on when you know the head [TS]

00:11:21   web security that was easy to break was [TS]

00:11:22   just one extra layer of you know one [TS]

00:11:25   more hurdle for hackers to overcome not [TS]

00:11:28   a particularly high hurdle but you know [TS]

00:11:29   I just want to make it difficult but at [TS]

00:11:30   this point it is now completely moved [TS]

00:11:33   and I have turned off negative shall [TS]

00:11:34   drink so thank you to Jesse lane let [TS]

00:11:36   that be a lesson to anyone else out [TS]

00:11:37   there who's doing that guy dress [TS]

00:11:38   filtering on their network although it [TS]

00:11:40   seems like I may be the only one in the [TS]

00:11:42   entire world all right and the final [TS]

00:11:47   piece of follow-up a lot of people in [TS]

00:11:51   posting retrospectives about the show [TS]

00:11:52   yeah there's been a bunch of really cool [TS]

00:11:55   things going on yeah they make their own [TS]

00:11:57   like uh you know supercuts will go cut [TS]

00:11:59   together the favorite parts of the show [TS]

00:12:02   in audio form some of them are like a [TS]

00:12:04   five minutes worth of fun Clips some of [TS]

00:12:06   them are 20 minute long things I've been [TS]

00:12:08   reading them listening to them thanks to [TS]

00:12:10   everyone who made one that's a lot of [TS]

00:12:12   work to go through so it does uh you [TS]

00:12:15   were recognized as a true fan but one in [TS]

00:12:18   particular stuck out and this was by [TS]

00:12:20   jonathan man who for the longest time I [TS]

00:12:22   just assumed was related Merlin man like [TS]

00:12:24   cuz doesn't it if Merlin mad had like a [TS]

00:12:27   younger brother don't you think it would [TS]

00:12:28   be Jonathan man I you know that they do [TS]

00:12:32   have some things in common I and I guess [TS]

00:12:34   all right the musical stuff and like he [TS]

00:12:37   just went a different direction in his [TS]

00:12:38   life and sort of Merlin you know did the [TS]

00:12:40   music thing but then kind of went in a [TS]

00:12:42   different direction and his younger [TS]

00:12:43   brother was kind of following his [TS]

00:12:45   footsteps and doing music thing and sort [TS]

00:12:46   of went whole hog with it right this is [TS]

00:12:48   sort of younger and more more energetic [TS]

00:12:51   and vibrant still you know doesn't have [TS]

00:12:52   those deep furrows his face huh anyway [TS]

00:12:56   there is actually no relation as far as [TS]

00:12:57   I know between Jonathan Mann Maryland [TS]

00:12:59   man but Jonathan Mann his description of [TS]

00:13:01   his self is I'm a musician and a [TS]

00:13:02   songwriter best known for writing a song [TS]

00:13:04   a day mm-hmm he's been added for over [TS]

00:13:07   1400 days straight and he's got an album [TS]

00:13:10   called song a day the album that you can [TS]

00:13:12   buy a pen leaked in the show notes he [TS]

00:13:14   literally write the song every day uh [TS]

00:13:16   and he made a song for me he did I I [TS]

00:13:19   have song [TS]

00:13:20   number 1450 that's right a nice even [TS]

00:13:23   number 2 i'm i was very that that alone [TS]

00:13:25   should have made you happy that it ended [TS]

00:13:27   in it it ended in a zero yes it did and [TS]

00:13:30   so it's youtube video you can watch the [TS]

00:13:33   video of him singing on the song i [TS]

00:13:34   wanted to well I wanted to have we [TS]

00:13:35   haven't cleared this with him but would [TS]

00:13:37   you shall we play it now I've got a cute [TS]

00:13:40   up and ready to go should we play it now [TS]

00:13:42   should we play it do you know on and the [TS]

00:13:44   intro outro of the show or I don't like [TS]

00:13:47   to play the whole song is this long and [TS]

00:13:49   I want people to have to go to two [TS]

00:13:50   minutes 18 seconds it's a tribute to you [TS]

00:13:52   it's not about a lot two minutes what [TS]

00:13:56   does the chat room think i'll give the [TS]

00:13:58   chat room a WoW chance to weigh in [TS]

00:14:00   should we play the song on the air or [TS]

00:14:03   not well I answer that i'm going to say [TS]

00:14:06   a few more things about the song so uh [TS]

00:14:07   trill they're gone nuts in the chat room [TS]

00:14:12   look at this everyone wants to hear it I [TS]

00:14:14   don't know wants to hear it well this is [TS]

00:14:16   the most response i've ever seen from [TS]

00:14:18   those jackals all right let me just say [TS]

00:14:20   bye for the last few things about the [TS]

00:14:22   song so well listen to the song i [TS]

00:14:23   thought i was great and everything but [TS]

00:14:25   there were a couple of mistakes in the [TS]

00:14:28   song starting with when he posted the [TS]

00:14:30   video to their mistakes in this song you [TS]

00:14:32   get a point out yes but starting when he [TS]

00:14:34   posted with youtube it's called you know [TS]

00:14:36   hypercritical song of the day number Oh [TS]

00:14:38   1450 and hypercritical is misspelled [TS]

00:14:42   isn't missing I he forgotten I between [TS]

00:14:44   the TMC right and so right away I'm [TS]

00:14:47   suspicious right and then if you look at [TS]

00:14:50   the song lyrics Emily here in a second [TS]

00:14:51   he mentions that I have three kids but I [TS]

00:14:53   don't have three kids I only have two [TS]

00:14:54   and when he says the name of apples [TS]

00:14:57   desktop operating system he says OS X [TS]

00:14:59   instead of always 10 and sound like hmm [TS]

00:15:02   so I figured well you know I should at [TS]

00:15:06   least reply to this to you know I [TS]

00:15:07   replied to my Twitter I said you know [TS]

00:15:09   just so you're not disappoint to hear [TS]

00:15:10   the corrections for the song and I [TS]

00:15:13   couldn't tell if it was like you know [TS]

00:15:16   doing intentionally not in he responded [TS]

00:15:17   he said oops sorry I thought you had [TS]

00:15:19   three kids or whatever and I said just [TS]

00:15:20   just pretend it was intentional because [TS]

00:15:22   isn't that perfect like you would do the [TS]

00:15:23   song and intentionally put a bunch of [TS]

00:15:25   mistakes in that way yeah you know it's [TS]

00:15:26   like just to give you something to say [TS]

00:15:28   so we are retconning it and saying all [TS]

00:15:30   the mistakes in this song are totally [TS]

00:15:32   intentional [TS]

00:15:34   song and we're not going to acknowledge [TS]

00:15:35   the jonathan actually made any mistakes [TS]

00:15:37   in the posting or creation of the song [TS]

00:15:39   alright so the chat room has spoken they [TS]

00:15:41   desperately wanted to hear this role to [TS]

00:15:44   12 as they say man okay when your soup [TS]

00:15:48   power is criticism will your options [TS]

00:15:51   they're limited and you gotta watch what [TS]

00:15:54   you say oh you say it too I love a man [TS]

00:15:59   who's hot critical it makes complicated [TS]

00:16:02   things understandable from toaster ovens [TS]

00:16:05   too close to the metal he's hyper [TS]

00:16:07   critical John siracusa is so [TS]

00:16:12   hypocritical dropping knowledge you can [TS]

00:16:15   use up [TS]

00:16:17   powerful he tears apart technology [TS]

00:16:22   walter isaacson so specific with the [TS]

00:16:26   wife he likes the fancy things are done [TS]

00:16:29   or will fall him from the beginning he [TS]

00:16:33   didn't know what he had to say until he [TS]

00:16:35   said it and how he's moving on now he's [TS]

00:16:39   moving on [TS]

00:16:41   after one hundred episode he's calling [TS]

00:16:44   equipped for he explodes no more [TS]

00:16:47   follow-up [TS]

00:16:49   no more epigrams John siracusa you so [TS]

00:16:54   hyper critical [TS]

00:16:56   he's a man I [TS]

00:16:59   criticize my soul he sees wrapped in the [TS]

00:17:03   heart of things perfection is his cry [TS]

00:17:06   his podcast makes me wanna say handsome [TS]

00:17:11   and why 21 nerd salute salute 21 nerd [TS]

00:17:17   salute you're a pig OSX astute and now [TS]

00:17:21   let's just make sovereign who 20 wonder [TS]

00:17:24   high five high five 21 high five you got [TS]

00:17:29   three kids and a beautiful white you [TS]

00:17:32   live in the king nerd highlight John [TS]

00:17:35   siracusa is so hypocritical he's a man I [TS]

00:17:40   not refuse out and criticized my soul he [TS]

00:17:45   sees right to the heart of things [TS]

00:17:47   perfection is his try podcast makes me [TS]

00:17:51   want to sing answered him by him [TS]

00:17:55   and by I'll miss you dude you know what [TS]

00:18:01   he says at the end of that I'll miss you [TS]

00:18:02   doing it what I think he absolutely [TS]

00:18:05   means it it's very it's very sweet very [TS]

00:18:08   nice song did you cry when you listen to [TS]

00:18:11   it but not I did alright well there you [TS]

00:18:14   go what things people said about the [TS]

00:18:17   show is they're surprised that so many [TS]

00:18:19   words rhyme with my last night I just [TS]

00:18:21   called good songwriting yeah that's [TS]

00:18:23   that's called Jonathan man's the freakin [TS]

00:18:25   genius yeah and what one of the people [TS]

00:18:27   in the the chatroom said don't play it [TS]

00:18:29   as always x boobs yeah so i think that's [TS]

00:18:34   that's just perfect mistakes and all [TS]

00:18:37   which we're totally intentional as we [TS]

00:18:39   noted and so if you like the kind of [TS]

00:18:41   thing check out Jonathan man's other [TS]

00:18:43   music and his album that is my last bit [TS]

00:18:47   of follow-up well that is the end of [TS]

00:18:50   follow-up then forever I sure yeah yeah [TS]

00:18:57   Bob exists whether we're here or not Dan [TS]

00:19:00   oh it's like if there's follow up and no [TS]

00:19:03   one around to hear it this is a sty exam [TS]

00:19:05   now you're getting it yeah so under [TS]

00:19:10   sponsor before we dive into the main [TS]

00:19:12   topic yeah I can compose myself a little [TS]

00:19:14   bit yeah that's right dry tries hanky [TS]

00:19:19   mailchimp commies email newsletters and [TS]

00:19:21   you know it's only fitting it's only [TS]

00:19:23   fitting that mailchimp is one of the [TS]

00:19:24   sponsors because they are [TS]

00:19:25   longest-running sponsor maybe one of our [TS]

00:19:27   very first sponsors sponsored this show [TS]

00:19:30   more than probably any other one they do [TS]

00:19:32   email newsletters they help you design [TS]

00:19:35   email newsletters they help you share [TS]

00:19:36   them on social networks we use them to [TS]

00:19:38   send the frequency newsletter and if you [TS]

00:19:40   want to see how easy it is to integrate [TS]

00:19:42   their stuff with your stuff go to the [TS]

00:19:44   frequency co and then you can see our [TS]

00:19:46   little newsletter signup right there the [TS]

00:19:47   same thing on 5 by 5 / newsletter they [TS]

00:19:51   help you match it to your brand you can [TS]

00:19:53   integrate it with Facebook you can even [TS]

00:19:54   import an existing list into mailchimp [TS]

00:19:56   no matter how it's formatted you can [TS]

00:19:59   personalize everything your subscribers [TS]

00:20:00   see you name it there's never been a [TS]

00:20:03   better time to try them out 2,000 [TS]

00:20:06   subscribers and you can send twelve [TS]

00:20:07   thousand emails per mon [TS]

00:20:09   forever for free you want to I want to [TS]

00:20:13   support five by five and give John a [TS]

00:20:14   nice send-off MailChimp calm / 5 by 5 to [TS]

00:20:18   learn more now we do have one little [TS]

00:20:21   little bit of follow-up that you did not [TS]

00:20:24   note note yet but that we should mention [TS]

00:20:26   all right the hypercritical t-shirts oh [TS]

00:20:29   yes yes it was decided that it will just [TS]

00:20:33   be hypercritical in the stylized text [TS]

00:20:36   that goes along with the artwork for the [TS]

00:20:38   show that was decided both by you and [TS]

00:20:40   the obviously audience supported you so [TS]

00:20:43   we'll be doing those t-shirts in the [TS]

00:20:46   think the first week of the year the [TS]

00:20:48   first week of January which actually is [TS]

00:20:50   next week and that will be we will we're [TS]

00:20:54   going to pick a color you will approve [TS]

00:20:56   it people have also asked for mugs as [TS]

00:20:59   well we'll have a separate run of mugs [TS]

00:21:03   that will not be part of this just [TS]

00:21:05   because the shipping and the thing and [TS]

00:21:07   it's probably gonna be easier but i [TS]

00:21:09   don't know maybe we'll combine them if I [TS]

00:21:10   can it's logistics john it's going to be [TS]

00:21:13   on the mug then same thing as a shirts I [TS]

00:21:14   think I think the mugs could be the same [TS]

00:21:18   thing as a shirt because you've approved [TS]

00:21:19   it what do you think he wants not that's [TS]

00:21:21   fine with me I mean lots of people who [TS]

00:21:23   are requesting like people who were on [TS]

00:21:25   the short end of the shirt survey now [TS]

00:21:27   we're trying to get Redemption well you [TS]

00:21:29   know I was outvoted by the other people [TS]

00:21:31   for the shirt but can I get whatever was [TS]

00:21:33   my favorite on the mug and I don't know [TS]

00:21:34   if people have different opinions in the [TS]

00:21:36   mugs but anyway I'm perfectly fine with [TS]

00:21:38   the name of the show just like on the [TS]

00:21:39   shirt being on the mug if you want to go [TS]

00:21:42   whole hog and have a separate survey for [TS]

00:21:44   mugs you can do that but you know I [TS]

00:21:45   don't you know I don't think that's [TS]

00:21:47   necessary but it's up to you okay but [TS]

00:21:48   David so the best way to keep up to date [TS]

00:21:51   since there won't be another episode of [TS]

00:21:53   hyper critical to listen to to get [TS]

00:21:55   information about it I think the best [TS]

00:21:56   way to find out about it would be to [TS]

00:21:58   follow five-by-five on twitter where I [TS]

00:22:00   will tweet about it will probably do a [TS]

00:22:02   blog post on blog five by five that TV [TS]

00:22:04   at some point but obviously you could [TS]

00:22:07   listen to the frequency where we do the [TS]

00:22:10   news but if that's too much of a [TS]

00:22:11   commitment then just follow five by five [TS]

00:22:12   on Twitter and we'll tweet about it and [TS]

00:22:14   we'll have a link to it from the website [TS]

00:22:16   as well and I'll tweet about it from my [TS]

00:22:19   account for sure siracusa and also from [TS]

00:22:21   the hypercritical account [TS]

00:22:22   so if you for all any of those accounts [TS]

00:22:24   I there will be treated or retweeted on [TS]

00:22:26   you know you'll find out about it rest [TS]

00:22:28   assured we will not but you uh miss this [TS]

00:22:31   I I guess maybe some people like don't [TS]

00:22:33   follow everything in Twitter but the [TS]

00:22:35   five by five announcement county there's [TS]

00:22:37   allow you yeah well that was gonna say [TS]

00:22:39   compared to what you do on hypercritical [TS]

00:22:40   may be hypercritical yeah Laura's volume [TS]

00:22:44   so like even if you're if you do you [TS]

00:22:45   think oh that i missed we just go to [TS]

00:22:46   twitter.com / hypercritical and just [TS]

00:22:48   look to the last ten tweets for [TS]

00:22:49   something that has to do with shirts you [TS]

00:22:50   mean it's not high volume on my account [TS]

00:22:53   so you'll you'll see the announcement [TS]

00:22:54   all right we're ready for the main topic [TS]

00:23:00   I'm ready ah this like I said I think [TS]

00:23:05   this will be a short main topic but you [TS]

00:23:09   know that's it is what it is and then [TS]

00:23:11   after that we'll do the Q&A ah so I was [TS]

00:23:14   kind of heartened to see that so many [TS]

00:23:15   fans of the show correctly guessed what [TS]

00:23:19   the topic for the final show would be I [TS]

00:23:21   tried not to confirm to any of them that [TS]

00:23:24   they were getting it right but it made [TS]

00:23:25   me feel like I was along the I was on [TS]

00:23:27   the right track the fact that so many [TS]

00:23:29   people said that they thought this about [TS]

00:23:31   you last episode be now maybe some of [TS]

00:23:33   them were joking maybe a lot of them are [TS]

00:23:35   joking maybe all of them were joking [TS]

00:23:36   because there were certainly jokes about [TS]

00:23:38   with the last episode be about or [TS]

00:23:40   they'll you know be indefinite and would [TS]

00:23:42   go on forever and all sorts of other [TS]

00:23:43   things but I'd like to believe that in [TS]

00:23:45   their heart of hearts that they knew [TS]

00:23:46   that their guest was true the people who [TS]

00:23:48   are actually correct can you then guess [TS]

00:23:50   what the final topic is going to be I've [TS]

00:23:51   intentionally not looked at any of the [TS]

00:23:54   predictions I have intentionally stayed [TS]

00:23:57   as far away from whatever the you know [TS]

00:24:02   the predictions of this would be because [TS]

00:24:04   I wanted to I wanted to you know be [TS]

00:24:09   surprised as I am every week being [TS]

00:24:11   surprised so no and I haven't and I've [TS]

00:24:15   intentionally not thought about it at [TS]

00:24:17   all i've tried not to think about it i [TS]

00:24:19   want to come into this completely fresh [TS]

00:24:23   and an open-minded beginner's mind as we [TS]

00:24:25   saw i was about to say beginner's mind [TS]

00:24:27   seven a mind-meld here's right welcome [TS]

00:24:29   mind well don't jump in before i can [TS]

00:24:31   mock you with your own sayings all right [TS]

00:24:34   yeah that's beginner's mind all right so [TS]

00:24:36   I hope when I say this it will make [TS]

00:24:38   sense to the final topic for the final [TS]

00:24:41   hypocrite of episode is what is wrong [TS]

00:24:43   with the hypocritical podcast that's the [TS]

00:24:46   that's perfect so much wrong with it how [TS]

00:24:50   could it be how could the topic be [TS]

00:24:52   anything else yes this is perfect [TS]

00:24:54   because you know that's how you that's [TS]

00:24:56   how you ended we're gonna take a look at [TS]

00:24:58   this podcast of which there have been [TS]

00:25:00   100 episodes is 98 of which were [TS]

00:25:02   featuring me ah and what what's wrong [TS]

00:25:05   what's wrong with this thing will you [TS]

00:25:07   focus on the 98 that included you and [TS]

00:25:09   technically can you criticize the show [TS]

00:25:13   that is happening right now can you [TS]

00:25:15   criticize this episode is that like what [TS]

00:25:19   what I have to say will apply to this [TS]

00:25:22   episode as well okay because what I'm [TS]

00:25:24   gonna suggest and I think you know [TS]

00:25:25   what's coming is that we have a [TS]

00:25:27   follow-up show she criticized this [TS]

00:25:30   episode I strident look I just want to [TS]

00:25:33   put that out there and I mean you're [TS]

00:25:34   gonna have to run with it alright so I [TS]

00:25:35   got I've got a small number of items [TS]

00:25:37   here and of course since I'm the one [TS]

00:25:39   criticizing the show i'm also going to [TS]

00:25:42   provide counterpoint because i'm also [TS]

00:25:44   the one producer on the show okay [TS]

00:25:46   alright so it's kind of you know it in [TS]

00:25:48   arguing with myself but it's not it's [TS]

00:25:49   not really like a winning or losing [TS]

00:25:50   argument there are bad things about it [TS]

00:25:53   and there are reasons that the bad [TS]

00:25:54   things exist and so i'm going to talk [TS]

00:25:56   about the bad things and what's bad [TS]

00:25:57   about them and then explain why it is [TS]

00:25:58   that they exist doesn't make them not [TS]

00:26:00   bad it's just you know i'm i'm doing all [TS]

00:26:02   sides of this right cuz you know that's [TS]

00:26:04   the way it has to be all right and as [TS]

00:26:06   the list is kind of sorted but not [TS]

00:26:08   really like the first thing i have i [TS]

00:26:10   think is the worst thing about the [TS]

00:26:11   podcast and then i'll get a little bit [TS]

00:26:12   better and i just kind of stopped like [TS]

00:26:14   there are many more things wrong with [TS]

00:26:15   the hypercritical podcast then i'm going [TS]

00:26:17   to list but I feel like I hit the [TS]

00:26:19   highlights after a handful of bite [TS]

00:26:20   alright so the number one thing that's [TS]

00:26:23   wrong with the hypocritical podcast [TS]

00:26:25   again i will give you one last chance to [TS]

00:26:26   guests and what is the number one thing [TS]

00:26:27   was wrong with a critical podcast [TS]

00:26:29   besides the descending know that was [TS]

00:26:30   gonna be my answer was that identity [TS]

00:26:32   well you know you got to pick something [TS]

00:26:33   different nothing i can't think of a [TS]

00:26:39   single thing that I don't like about [TS]

00:26:41   this show beside the defending besides [TS]

00:26:44   it attending all right well here like I [TS]

00:26:46   mean I'm not I'm not [TS]

00:26:47   I'm not Haddie I mean need to back me up [TS]

00:26:50   she's looking I Britt I can't think of [TS]

00:26:51   anything all right here so there's [TS]

00:26:56   nothing wrong with the John I did think [TS]

00:26:58   of some things in here they are the [TS]

00:27:00   number one thing was wrong with the [TS]

00:27:01   hyprocure podcast is follow-up that's [TS]

00:27:04   nothing wrong with that were you talking [TS]

00:27:06   about you're not supposed to argue with [TS]

00:27:07   me I garona myself oh yeah I still have [TS]

00:27:10   your chance to give your account online [TS]

00:27:11   well I'll be quiet yes also abbreviated [TS]

00:27:13   as fu is the people who might not know [TS]

00:27:17   is the part of the show we talk about [TS]

00:27:19   talk about the topics discussed on past [TS]

00:27:22   shows and we revisit them usually we [TS]

00:27:24   revisit them in response to listener [TS]

00:27:25   feedback sometimes it's like [TS]

00:27:28   self-feedback where I realized that [TS]

00:27:30   something was wrong or something you [TS]

00:27:32   need to correct it there's different [TS]

00:27:34   types of fu we have Corrections which is [TS]

00:27:36   you know the comic-con we have [TS]

00:27:37   expansions where it's like you know [TS]

00:27:38   about the thing we talked about last [TS]

00:27:39   week here's some more about it there's [TS]

00:27:41   also clarifications where if i said [TS]

00:27:43   something it was misunderstood i try to [TS]

00:27:44   clarify it so what's so bad about follow [TS]

00:27:47   up follow up happens at the start of the [TS]

00:27:51   show and so it necessarily delays the [TS]

00:27:54   discussion of whatever the new topic is [TS]

00:27:56   just like on the show right here before [TS]

00:27:58   we got to this part where you were talk [TS]

00:28:00   about what's wrong with a hyper go to [TS]

00:28:01   podcast we have to follow up it so that [TS]

00:28:02   delayed this discussion and a common [TS]

00:28:05   tweet from fans the show or things I see [TS]

00:28:07   you know going back forth between people [TS]

00:28:09   after we do a show or some topic comes [TS]

00:28:11   up we'll say oh there was a great [TS]

00:28:13   discussion about whatever this topic is [TS]

00:28:14   you know in hypercritical episode number [TS]

00:28:16   96 I just you know check it out and skip [TS]

00:28:18   the minute 35 and here's an actual tweet [TS]

00:28:21   from being comparables Twitter account [TS]

00:28:23   the inoperable another podcast that I [TS]

00:28:25   participated in assuming this tweet was [TS]

00:28:27   made by Jason Snell he usually runs that [TS]

00:28:28   account for other people tweet to it as [TS]

00:28:30   well I think uh here it is it says if [TS]

00:28:32   you liked our bed at high school episode [TS]

00:28:34   check out Syracuse on hypercritical this [TS]

00:28:36   week and it gives a link to the episode [TS]

00:28:38   starts 57 minutes in so that type of [TS]

00:28:41   thing where whenever anyone wants to [TS]

00:28:43   recommend the show to someone else they [TS]

00:28:45   have to say I'll here check this one out [TS]

00:28:47   and like skip a half an hour an hour [TS]

00:28:50   into the show because they don't want to [TS]

00:28:52   say I'll just check this out because if [TS]

00:28:54   you just start listening you're like I [TS]

00:28:55   thought they said this was gonna be [TS]

00:28:56   about you know whatever that like the [TS]

00:28:58   bad of high school stuff and I'm [TS]

00:28:59   listening and he's talking about that [TS]

00:29:01   stuff right anytime you know it anytime [TS]

00:29:05   anyone talks about the show they have to [TS]

00:29:06   give some sort of minute marker type [TS]

00:29:07   thing and I find myself holding back [TS]

00:29:09   from suggesting episodes of my own [TS]

00:29:11   podcast of people just so I can avoid [TS]

00:29:13   having to explain that I'll be checkers [TS]

00:29:15   episode but you have to skip to a [TS]

00:29:18   certain marker pointer skip skip a [TS]

00:29:20   quarter of the show to get to the good [TS]

00:29:21   part it makes the podcast harder to [TS]

00:29:24   share with people and it makes it harder [TS]

00:29:25   to get into if you're a new listener [TS]

00:29:27   because the follow-up is not relevant to [TS]

00:29:30   you if you didn't hear the previous [TS]

00:29:31   episode if you just chase that all the [TS]

00:29:32   way back you end up having to start [TS]

00:29:33   listening for episode 1 which is two [TS]

00:29:35   years ago and that's not really uh [TS]

00:29:38   tenable and also the follow-up makes [TS]

00:29:40   each episode longer because instead of [TS]

00:29:42   just starting right in with a new thing [TS]

00:29:43   that we want to talk about a new episode [TS]

00:29:45   that you know 10 15 20 30 40 sometimes [TS]

00:29:49   apparently 57 minutes of stuff before [TS]

00:29:52   the actual topic of the show just makes [TS]

00:29:55   every episode longer so a couple of [TS]

00:29:59   remedies for the follow-up have been [TS]

00:30:01   recommended over the years one early on [TS]

00:30:03   people saying why don't we just put the [TS]

00:30:04   fall but the end ha so like so could [TS]

00:30:07   listen and say don't forget it I don't I [TS]

00:30:09   don't wanna hear anymore this and then [TS]

00:30:10   this stop or yeah but you get like the [TS]

00:30:13   you get whatever the main topic is [TS]

00:30:14   immediately so if you if there we did [TS]

00:30:16   some cool show like you know video game [TS]

00:30:18   controllers something you could say oh [TS]

00:30:19   there was this episode about this uh [TS]

00:30:20   check it out and just give you the link [TS]

00:30:22   to episode whatever and you'd start [TS]

00:30:24   listening and you would hear immediately [TS]

00:30:25   after the little intro you'd hear about [TS]

00:30:27   video can we control switch is what your [TS]

00:30:29   friend one sent you the link for and [TS]

00:30:30   then at the end you would have the [TS]

00:30:32   follow-up and very early on that was [TS]

00:30:34   suggested and I rejected it because it [TS]

00:30:37   breaks continuity the way we do it with [TS]

00:30:40   develop on the front preserves [TS]

00:30:41   continuity because like on an episode [TS]

00:30:42   we'll discuss topic a and then that [TS]

00:30:45   episode will end and then the next [TS]

00:30:46   episode we'll have more on topic a [TS]

00:30:48   because it's follow-up and babble end [TS]

00:30:51   and then we'll do topic be right and the [TS]

00:30:53   other thing is that the topic be may [TS]

00:30:55   build on topic a so if we didn't do the [TS]

00:30:58   follow-up in the beginning say we're [TS]

00:30:59   talking about topic be we'd have to have [TS]

00:31:01   add some sort of waffling like I know [TS]

00:31:03   that we said last week the blah blah [TS]

00:31:05   blah but that isn't actually true which [TS]

00:31:07   you'll see when we get to the follow up [TS]

00:31:08   at the end like you can't you can't move [TS]

00:31:10   on until you've addressed the follow up [TS]

00:31:11   is if you're talking about the new topic [TS]

00:31:12   you want to talk about it and [TS]

00:31:14   light of the new revelations or new [TS]

00:31:15   clarifications or expansions at the top [TS]

00:31:17   from last week so follow up at the [TS]

00:31:19   engines does not work for me people have [TS]

00:31:21   suggested adding a chapter marker in the [TS]

00:31:25   file itself are having separate [TS]

00:31:27   follow-up episodes like a little mini [TS]

00:31:29   episode and then the main episode or [TS]

00:31:30   having a separate feed for follow-up all [TS]

00:31:33   three of those solutions aside from the [TS]

00:31:35   production related issues which you can [TS]

00:31:36   speak to to say whether that would be [TS]

00:31:37   feasible or whatever uh is that they all [TS]

00:31:39   encourage skipping of the follow-up [TS]

00:31:41   because the reason you'd want to have [TS]

00:31:42   that marker and other stuff is like oh [TS]

00:31:44   well there's that the follow up is sort [TS]

00:31:47   of isolated if you don't want to listen [TS]

00:31:48   to you can jump right past that I don't [TS]

00:31:49   want people who don't pass that I want [TS]

00:31:52   people to actually listen to the fall so [TS]

00:31:54   why why why do we have follow-up why is [TS]

00:31:57   it there after all these bad things I've [TS]

00:31:59   said it but I truly believe the [TS]

00:32:00   follow-up really is a big downside to [TS]

00:32:03   the show that you know really stops it [TS]

00:32:06   from being accessible and stops from [TS]

00:32:08   being shared and all the things you [TS]

00:32:09   would want like if you wanna make a [TS]

00:32:10   popular podcast you wanted to be easily [TS]

00:32:11   shared you want people to be jumped to [TS]

00:32:13   jump right and so why do I do it ah well [TS]

00:32:16   I think it's part of the theme of the [TS]

00:32:18   shows that are the dedication to getting [TS]

00:32:20   things correct have the attention to [TS]

00:32:22   detail and you know in the highfalutin [TS]

00:32:23   version that the search for truth or you [TS]

00:32:26   know when as close as we can get and [TS]

00:32:28   continuity like you know where you start [TS]

00:32:31   listening and we're talking about things [TS]

00:32:32   that we did in the last show continuity [TS]

00:32:34   repels casual Lister's but it also [TS]

00:32:36   rewards dedicated listeners because they [TS]

00:32:38   feel like oh now I'm resuming this thing [TS]

00:32:40   in progress I think we've seen this [TS]

00:32:42   recently with television shows as well [TS]

00:32:43   where people used to be allergic to [TS]

00:32:45   continuity on television people who made [TS]

00:32:47   TV shows would try to make everything [TS]

00:32:48   episodic but slowly but surely [TS]

00:32:50   television series have been learning [TS]

00:32:52   that yes continuity does make it hard to [TS]

00:32:54   get into a program but with time [TS]

00:32:57   shifting and everything it's easier for [TS]

00:32:58   people to start from the beginning or [TS]

00:33:00   you know get it on DVD or streamer door [TS]

00:33:02   whatever and continuity rewards the [TS]

00:33:04   people who are dedicated fans of the [TS]

00:33:05   show so that's sort of flipped around [TS]

00:33:07   and it's the same dichotomy in [TS]

00:33:09   podcasting enthusiastic fans want to [TS]

00:33:11   hear more about the topics that [TS]

00:33:13   interested in so if I talk about some [TS]

00:33:14   topic and you know you're interested in [TS]

00:33:17   it you're happy when you start the next [TS]

00:33:19   show to hear more on that topic or some [TS]

00:33:20   sort of fall pour a little tidbit fob [TS]

00:33:22   also of course rewards the individual [TS]

00:33:24   listeners who write in with the [TS]

00:33:26   follow-up they get the thrill [TS]

00:33:27   hearing their name is pronounced on the [TS]

00:33:29   air and it's exciting that is a thrill [TS]

00:33:30   yeah they get to participate in the [TS]

00:33:33   conversation not really like you know [TS]

00:33:34   real-time like a call-in show but they [TS]

00:33:37   get to be a participant in a [TS]

00:33:39   conversation that those thing to all be [TS]

00:33:40   with a massive time delay sometimes they [TS]

00:33:43   get to fault their own follow up on the [TS]

00:33:44   next show so they can have sort of a you [TS]

00:33:46   know an even longer conversation and all [TS]

00:33:48   this I think encourages hardcore fans [TS]

00:33:50   and helps the show by harvesting [TS]

00:33:53   information that would otherwise be [TS]

00:33:54   locked away in listeners minds so you [TS]

00:33:57   know if you ever listen to a podcast and [TS]

00:33:58   you get frustrated because the host of [TS]

00:33:59   like wondering about something and you [TS]

00:34:01   know the answer damn you wished you just [TS]

00:34:03   yell into the thing like no no like here [TS]

00:34:05   let me tell you what it is well [TS]

00:34:06   follow-up provides an outlet for that [TS]

00:34:08   frustration instead of just going these [TS]

00:34:10   dopes don't they know or you know or if [TS]

00:34:12   you know the answer you can't yell back [TS]

00:34:13   into the pipe guess but if you know that [TS]

00:34:15   follow-up is part of the format you can [TS]

00:34:16   say well soon as I get home I'm gonna [TS]

00:34:18   bang on email and say hey guys you were [TS]

00:34:20   asking about XYZ I know about that [TS]

00:34:21   here's the answer and not only is an [TS]

00:34:24   outlet for the frustration for them but [TS]

00:34:25   I'm now reaping the benefits of having a [TS]

00:34:28   smart informed audience like you know [TS]

00:34:29   presumably someone in our audience knows [TS]

00:34:31   a lot about you know wireless security [TS]

00:34:33   or history of video game controllers or [TS]

00:34:36   how Intel does their CPUs or whatever [TS]

00:34:38   I'm benefiting from that so I despite [TS]

00:34:41   the fact that I think this is clear all [TS]

00:34:43   of us clear the biggest thing that's [TS]

00:34:44   wrong with the show those are all the [TS]

00:34:47   reasons that I keep it and you know [TS]

00:34:48   early on decided to keep it and it stuck [TS]

00:34:50   with it and the other thing about [TS]

00:34:53   follow-up is it it could be that [TS]

00:34:55   follow-up ends up being the most [TS]

00:34:57   enduring aspect of of the shows i was [TS]

00:35:00   thinking about this I'd listen to a lot [TS]

00:35:01   of other pot gets a lot about the five [TS]

00:35:02   by five podcast and a lot of them do [TS]

00:35:06   follow-up uh sometimes like ironically [TS]

00:35:09   or jokingly like for the people who [TS]

00:35:10   happen to know me like Marco our Merlin [TS]

00:35:12   will say oh yeah and I've got a little [TS]

00:35:14   piece of follow-up or whatever and [TS]

00:35:15   they're doing it kind of half joke haha [TS]

00:35:17   like it's not a dedicated part of the [TS]

00:35:18   format but anytime I do have something [TS]

00:35:19   like that they'll throw it in right uh [TS]

00:35:21   but even on shows like I can geek Friday [TS]

00:35:24   I don't think either of the hosts of [TS]

00:35:26   geek Friday ever listened to my show and [TS]

00:35:28   yet they have follow-up as well and I [TS]

00:35:30   wonder you know kind of like cutting the [TS]

00:35:32   ends off the roast you know that story [TS]

00:35:33   no it's only the story it's like the [TS]

00:35:37   woman is making a roast or something and [TS]

00:35:40   she's cutting off the ends of it [TS]

00:35:41   sometimes why why are you cutting off [TS]

00:35:42   the ends of your roasters oh well you [TS]

00:35:43   know my mother always cut the ends off [TS]

00:35:44   you always have to do that makes the [TS]

00:35:45   Rose come out better and then they asked [TS]

00:35:49   the mother you know your daughter said [TS]

00:35:51   you always have to cut off the ends of [TS]

00:35:52   the rose when you put in the of it makes [TS]

00:35:53   come out better while you do that so [TS]

00:35:54   well my grandmother you know my mother [TS]

00:35:55   your grandmother always cut the ends off [TS]

00:35:57   throws you have to do that or as it [TS]

00:35:58   doesn't come out right and so they asked [TS]

00:36:00   the grandmother why'd you cut the ends [TS]

00:36:01   off the rose and said well I'm all my [TS]

00:36:03   roasting pans were too small so I always [TS]

00:36:04   had to cut the ends off for so-and-so [TS]

00:36:06   like three generations no no one knows [TS]

00:36:08   why you're cutting the ends off the [TS]

00:36:09   roses like oh that's what you do when [TS]

00:36:10   you make roast right it's just the right [TS]

00:36:12   thing too so I'm wondering if like the [TS]

00:36:14   people who do geek Friday do they know [TS]

00:36:16   where follow-up comes from and even like [TS]

00:36:18   outside the network you know that the [TS]

00:36:19   second incarnation of the talk show [TS]

00:36:21   which is no longer even on five by five [TS]

00:36:23   Gruber does fall tonight show as well so [TS]

00:36:26   you know this is my lasting legacy is [TS]

00:36:29   five degrees separator from five by five [TS]

00:36:31   Don some podcast somewhere some will [TS]

00:36:33   mention that they're going to do [TS]

00:36:34   follow-up and have no idea why they're [TS]

00:36:36   doing that or where that term came from [TS]

00:36:38   or where that format I mean I'm maybe [TS]

00:36:40   I'm not the first person ever to do fall [TS]

00:36:41   out but I think I can trace a straight [TS]

00:36:43   line through from my follow-up to the [TS]

00:36:45   very least Marco and merlyn's follow-up [TS]

00:36:47   probably the Friday's fall property [TS]

00:36:49   Gruber's follow-up as well so I think [TS]

00:36:51   there is some merit to this idea perhaps [TS]

00:36:53   not to the degree that I did it in my [TS]

00:36:54   show but you know every show is [TS]

00:36:56   different all right item number two that [TS]

00:37:01   is wrong with the hypercritical podcast [TS]

00:37:03   of the title I think there are probably [TS]

00:37:06   very few people who have positive [TS]

00:37:09   feelings about the word hypercritical in [TS]

00:37:12   people who don't already know about the [TS]

00:37:13   podcast or blog or anything else like [TS]

00:37:15   that it it repels most normal people [TS]

00:37:18   with negative implications of the work [TS]

00:37:20   because like being critical as a bad [TS]

00:37:21   thing in most circles being critical [TS]

00:37:23   hurts people's feelings and hyper [TS]

00:37:25   critical is even worse hi from critical [TS]

00:37:26   is being needlessly critical like you're [TS]

00:37:28   being a jerk like you're not just being [TS]

00:37:29   critical but you bring hypercritical so [TS]

00:37:31   you're just a super-duper jerk and so [TS]

00:37:33   why would you want a podcast about [TS]

00:37:34   hurting people's feelings needlessly it [TS]

00:37:37   just turns it's a big turnoff it just [TS]

00:37:39   turns people off uh and you know I [TS]

00:37:42   acknowledge that now what so why do I [TS]

00:37:44   have this title well the first reason is [TS]

00:37:48   that the ARS technica article that I [TS]

00:37:49   wrote several years before the podcast [TS]

00:37:51   had the same name as its title is titled [TS]

00:37:54   hyper [TS]

00:37:55   protocol and that was the inspiration [TS]

00:37:56   for the show for the format of the show [TS]

00:37:58   the content of the show everything about [TS]

00:37:59   the show a link to this articles in the [TS]

00:38:01   show notes one last time if you still [TS]

00:38:03   haven't found it ah that's not exactly a [TS]

00:38:06   reason to use it for the title the [TS]

00:38:07   podcast but that's why I originally [TS]

00:38:09   picked it second reason is that it's [TS]

00:38:11   kind of a hedge against criticism [TS]

00:38:13   because people are going to say I [TS]

00:38:16   listened that show the guys so picky and [TS]

00:38:18   he's got so many complaints and and you [TS]

00:38:20   can answer that you know well what's the [TS]

00:38:22   title of the show like what did you [TS]

00:38:23   think you were getting it does what it [TS]

00:38:24   says on the tin as the saying goes [TS]

00:38:26   stolen from England or wherever uh the [TS]

00:38:29   show is called hypercritical so you [TS]

00:38:30   should expect that type of thing right [TS]

00:38:32   now that's not exactly doesn't make any [TS]

00:38:34   sense just because that's the title the [TS]

00:38:36   show that doesn't answer if your if your [TS]

00:38:39   issue is that the i'm too picky on the [TS]

00:38:41   show and the show is full of complaints [TS]

00:38:42   me telling you that all will just look [TS]

00:38:45   at the title the show doesn't answer any [TS]

00:38:46   of your complaints it's not it's not a [TS]

00:38:49   come it's not a justification at all but [TS]

00:38:51   that doesn't mean it doesn't placate [TS]

00:38:53   people because people are not logical so [TS]

00:38:55   I find that when people say you know you [TS]

00:38:57   see this I said compensation copying all [TS]

00:38:58   the time in the chat room and Twitter or [TS]

00:39:00   whatever someone listen to the show say [TS]

00:39:02   it's full of complaints and it's picking [TS]

00:39:03   other person will say well duh look at [TS]

00:39:05   the title of the show and that ends the [TS]

00:39:06   conversation and it shouldn't but it [TS]

00:39:08   does uh toughie like I don't know if [TS]

00:39:12   that's a justification for the title but [TS]

00:39:13   it's one of those perverse actual [TS]

00:39:15   interactions that happens all the time [TS]

00:39:17   uh and pointing to the title the show [TS]

00:39:20   somehow ends the debate they go well [TS]

00:39:22   okay I guess and that really shouldn't [TS]

00:39:25   be telling people it shouldnt that [TS]

00:39:26   shouldn't end the debate because you [TS]

00:39:27   haven't actually answered the criticism [TS]

00:39:28   if you don't like the show because [TS]

00:39:29   there's too much complaint someone [TS]

00:39:31   pointing the title to you doesn't make [TS]

00:39:32   you like the show any better and [TS]

00:39:33   shouldn't stop you from having that [TS]

00:39:35   complaint so I don't have a real good [TS]

00:39:39   justification except that I like the [TS]

00:39:40   title it's hard to come up with good [TS]

00:39:42   titles i became attached to it because [TS]

00:39:43   it was attached to that article which [TS]

00:39:45   involved both me and steve jobs and and [TS]

00:39:47   it was the inspiration for the show so [TS]

00:39:48   it only makes sense for it to be the [TS]

00:39:50   title ah but it does it does keep people [TS]

00:39:53   away next item show duration here this [TS]

00:39:58   one a lot shows are too long okay i can [TS]

00:40:00   i can get on board with this one a [TS]

00:40:02   little bit because you must suffer [TS]

00:40:04   through them to know I it's never [TS]

00:40:05   suffering and and it's [TS]

00:40:08   but here's the thing mayotte may I jump [TS]

00:40:11   in here go for it it's not that the [TS]

00:40:14   shows are too long it's that the shows [TS]

00:40:17   are longer than most other shows that [TS]

00:40:19   other people would hear especially in [TS]

00:40:23   the format that this show is which is [TS]

00:40:27   pretty much you talking and I don't [TS]

00:40:32   think that it's that they're too long I [TS]

00:40:33   think it's longer than what many people [TS]

00:40:35   are used to what many people expect and [TS]

00:40:37   perhaps what many people have time for [TS]

00:40:39   but I would my counterpoint to this [TS]

00:40:41   before you respond is that's what makes [TS]

00:40:45   the shows great and that any less time [TS]

00:40:48   any less time than you devote to these [TS]

00:40:51   things would be carelessness from your [TS]

00:40:54   standpoint I think I'm not saying you [TS]

00:40:56   would be careless I'm saying you feel [TS]

00:40:58   because of your desire to be complete [TS]

00:41:00   and to totally understand something and [TS]

00:41:03   discuss it you must examine every point [TS]

00:41:06   and for you to do any less would be a [TS]

00:41:07   disservice and so the show bank argument [TS]

00:41:12   logically it doesn't make it that much [TS]

00:41:14   sense because as we both pointed out [TS]

00:41:16   many times like you don't have to listen [TS]

00:41:18   to an entire show in a single sitting I [TS]

00:41:20   certainly don't like I I listened to [TS]

00:41:22   even very short podcasts split up into [TS]

00:41:24   pieces maybe some people find that [TS]

00:41:25   off-putting but like you know when i'm [TS]

00:41:27   on my commute when i get home i stop [TS]

00:41:28   whatever podcast and listening to and [TS]

00:41:30   it's always in the middle of one you [TS]

00:41:31   know it's rarely at the end but as we [TS]

00:41:33   just got done saying people are really [TS]

00:41:34   logical and you know they just I well I [TS]

00:41:36   just don't like listening to things [TS]

00:41:37   split up like you know it even even [TS]

00:41:40   ignoring the session length issue like I [TS]

00:41:42   just want to have one listening session [TS]

00:41:43   it needs to be a certain length and I [TS]

00:41:44   don't like stopping in the middle as you [TS]

00:41:46   said some people just don't have time to [TS]

00:41:47   listen to two hours of audio in the week [TS]

00:41:49   like maybe they don't have a commute or [TS]

00:41:50   maybe they don't have two hours with [TS]

00:41:51   dishes to wash or maybe they prefer [TS]

00:41:53   music most of the time right and so if [TS]

00:41:56   if your podcast is good enough a 30 [TS]

00:41:58   minute or 60 minute podcast has a chance [TS]

00:42:00   of snagging people who don't normally [TS]

00:42:02   listen to podcast so if you're like all [TS]

00:42:03   right well I don't normally have a place [TS]

00:42:04   in my life where I listen to podcast [TS]

00:42:06   again don't have a commuter don't I to [TS]

00:42:07   listen to music other times or whatever [TS]

00:42:08   if the podcast is really good and it's [TS]

00:42:11   like 30-60 minutes maybe you can get [TS]

00:42:13   some of those guys but it's like 90 or [TS]

00:42:14   120 minutes forget it like it's really [TS]

00:42:16   hard to get those people to come over to [TS]

00:42:18   listen to your podcast if it's just so [TS]

00:42:20   long right [TS]

00:42:21   uh and so why the heck of my show so [TS]

00:42:24   long and by the way there was another [TS]

00:42:25   let me grab the link in the chat room [TS]

00:42:27   there's another more complicated [TS]

00:42:29   analysis of show length still showing a [TS]

00:42:32   general upward trend but of course that [TS]

00:42:33   trend and now because the show link will [TS]

00:42:35   suddenly drop to zero driving yeah that [TS]

00:42:39   the show length won't drop to zero there [TS]

00:42:41   would just be no more shows yeah I guess [TS]

00:42:43   I you're right uh so so why is this so [TS]

00:42:45   long well the first thing is that [TS]

00:42:47   preparation for the show makes shows [TS]

00:42:51   shorter because when I know what I'm [TS]

00:42:53   gonna say I don't like meander as much [TS]

00:42:55   and I can kind of say okay i'm halfway i [TS]

00:42:57   do i'ma quarter through whatever but [TS]

00:43:00   even with our literally hours of [TS]

00:43:02   preparation for each oh the the limiting [TS]

00:43:05   factor is that i have a lot to say about [TS]

00:43:06   these topics and thoroughness is part of [TS]

00:43:08   the theme of the show right I said about [TS]

00:43:10   my writing before that like the most [TS]

00:43:12   important thing for me when I'm writing [TS]

00:43:14   for a good or for ill is to get all the [TS]

00:43:17   ideas I have out onto the page every [TS]

00:43:21   little thing like you know I will find [TS]

00:43:23   it frustrating if I get through a [TS]

00:43:24   section and like a Mac os10 review or [TS]

00:43:25   something it's like oh I wanted to also [TS]

00:43:27   make one particular point about this one [TS]

00:43:31   control in the interface and I have to [TS]

00:43:32   find someplace to jam that I just want [TS]

00:43:34   to get it all out like I want to I don't [TS]

00:43:36   want to finish the thing and say I [TS]

00:43:38   didn't make that point because I just [TS]

00:43:40   didn't have room or something so I want [TS]

00:43:41   to get it out and of course fault makes [TS]

00:43:43   the show longer and it's also part of [TS]

00:43:45   the same sort of thoroughness theme but [TS]

00:43:46   it's but it's like you said like I have [TS]

00:43:47   if I have what to say I want to get it a [TS]

00:43:49   lot i don't feel satisfied if I haven't [TS]

00:43:51   and I think that fits with the theme of [TS]

00:43:53   the show that you know not wanting to [TS]

00:43:55   let things go the thoroughness you know [TS]

00:43:58   the attention to detail just the [TS]

00:44:00   obsessed the general obsessiveness of [TS]

00:44:03   the entire endeavor and that just plain [TS]

00:44:05   results in long show so the preparation [TS]

00:44:07   is a hedge against that but even even [TS]

00:44:08   with the preparation all does is let me [TS]

00:44:10   get my you know umpteen points out and [TS]

00:44:12   make sure to make sure I got them all [TS]

00:44:14   out and didn't miss any ah yeah next [TS]

00:44:20   item and you touched on this already and [TS]

00:44:24   maybe they should've been higher listed [TS]

00:44:26   domination of a single voice which is [TS]

00:44:28   mine no matter how much you like a [TS]

00:44:31   person hearing too much from them can [TS]

00:44:33   start to wear you down [TS]

00:44:35   you you Dan are the co-host of the show [TS]

00:44:37   but for the most part you let me talk [TS]

00:44:39   when I want to talk well sir I mean I'd [TS]

00:44:41   say this to Merlin is a joke it's your [TS]

00:44:42   show this really is it's your show this [TS]

00:44:44   your form of my role here from from day [TS]

00:44:48   one is just to be supportive of that be [TS]

00:44:51   give help help you keep this platform [TS]

00:44:54   and you know the best it can be we're in [TS]

00:44:56   sync today damn because the very next [TS]

00:44:58   item of my whole point is it's my show [TS]

00:44:59   you know as you're so fond of saying [TS]

00:45:01   well you finally shared your notes with [TS]

00:45:03   me yeah there you go I and this is in [TS]

00:45:06   general how I want things uh but the [TS]

00:45:09   downside of this format is that siracusa [TS]

00:45:12   fatigue is a real risk especially with [TS]

00:45:15   long shows right uh you know and a [TS]

00:45:19   corollary to this is that this format of [TS]

00:45:21   you know the single voice dominant thing [TS]

00:45:23   makes it much harder for me to not that [TS]

00:45:26   I'm good at this already but makes much [TS]

00:45:27   harder for me to do any sort of decent [TS]

00:45:28   interview like when we had Jeff Atwood [TS]

00:45:30   on I talked to all rim which was always [TS]

00:45:32   rude and terrible that's great but that [TS]

00:45:34   like if you get acclimated to that it's [TS]

00:45:36   like when you do the hyper go to a [TS]

00:45:37   podcast you go into hyper critical [TS]

00:45:38   podcast mode in your use of just being [TS]

00:45:40   the singular voice uh that doesn't fit [TS]

00:45:43   with lots of other formats like for [TS]

00:45:44   example doing an interview type thing uh [TS]

00:45:46   and that's a shame but that limits the [TS]

00:45:48   show and in general having a single boys [TS]

00:45:51   means that my peculiar taste dictate [TS]

00:45:54   entire shows worth of material so I'm [TS]

00:45:56   really interested in console controller [TS]

00:45:57   so we do hall show on console [TS]

00:45:59   controllers it might my own pet [TS]

00:46:01   programming language peeves and things [TS]

00:46:03   like that tons of stuff on tivo even if [TS]

00:46:06   the rest of the world is not that [TS]

00:46:06   interested in tivo toasters like you [TS]

00:46:08   name it single voice means that you get [TS]

00:46:10   everything that comes with that the good [TS]

00:46:13   and the bad right and if it was a more [TS]

00:46:16   balanced show like a second opinion [TS]

00:46:17   could help veto topics that are too [TS]

00:46:20   narrow or you know or at least rein me [TS]

00:46:22   in when I'm wearing out my welcome on a [TS]

00:46:24   single topic or something like that and [TS]

00:46:25   that would help the show have broader [TS]

00:46:26   appeal because if it was like if it was [TS]

00:46:29   like an equal type of show where you [TS]

00:46:30   have like two people going at the same [TS]

00:46:32   time they could balance each other and [TS]

00:46:33   try to get something that had a broader [TS]

00:46:35   appeal because if you're not interested [TS]

00:46:36   in things that I'm interested in a [TS]

00:46:37   single voice show like this you just [TS]

00:46:39   like like people skip entire episodes [TS]

00:46:41   like oh we just started talking about [TS]

00:46:42   programming languages I just tuned out [TS]

00:46:44   and skip the whole episode ah and that's [TS]

00:46:46   not the way to have a [TS]

00:46:48   popular show was brought appeal so what [TS]

00:46:50   why is this a single boy show i [TS]

00:46:52   mentioned that that's what I wanted that [TS]

00:46:54   is what I wanted out of the show I [TS]

00:46:55   wanted to do a thing where we had a [TS]

00:46:56   podcast and it was my podcast and I got [TS]

00:46:59   to talk with the singular voice [TS]

00:47:01   moderated by co-host yes and like that I [TS]

00:47:04   think is it a totally essential element [TS]

00:47:06   hmm because I've tried and failed [TS]

00:47:08   several times to record things on my own [TS]

00:47:10   with no co-host and it just does not [TS]

00:47:12   work uh and I'm the wing of the wind [TS]

00:47:15   beneath your wings if you yes and we [TS]

00:47:17   remember when you went on vacation or [TS]

00:47:19   not vacation when you moved your house [TS]

00:47:20   it's like the UH in the secret of NIMH [TS]

00:47:22   when the Brisby move their house that's [TS]

00:47:23   where I'm at in your movies that's [TS]

00:47:24   exactly what it was the rats and the [TS]

00:47:26   alleys and yes yes that I meaning in [TS]

00:47:28   every detail exactly like someone got [TS]

00:47:30   crushed underneath a cinder block it was [TS]

00:47:31   messy Oh ademas sorry Helen when you and [TS]

00:47:37   you had a guest host stand in so he was [TS]

00:47:40   not just it you know who was a Ryan [TS]

00:47:42   Ireland yeah I think Ryan Ireland uh [TS]

00:47:44   stood in for for me back then he did a [TS]

00:47:46   great job and he'd also hosted the show [TS]

00:47:48   with Marco but uh you know it just [TS]

00:47:51   wasn't the same maybe because like you [TS]

00:47:53   know those were his first first time [TS]

00:47:55   ever talking to me in person and the [TS]

00:47:57   first couple shows and he you know he [TS]

00:47:58   did a good job filling the role of a [TS]

00:48:00   co-host but it's not just any co-host [TS]

00:48:02   like I think you in particular provide a [TS]

00:48:05   certain essential ingredient to this [TS]

00:48:08   podcast ah so I think that does have to [TS]

00:48:12   be a co-host in the mix and not just any [TS]

00:48:14   Coast because it like those shows were [TS]

00:48:16   different then the shows that the you [TS]

00:48:19   host but I wanted the overall show to [TS]

00:48:22   have a singular voice the same way I got [TS]

00:48:24   your own blog has a singular voice right [TS]

00:48:28   like you know hi vulajin or something [TS]

00:48:29   like that is your voice it's not and [TS]

00:48:31   it's not even moderated by a co-host or [TS]

00:48:33   anything basement blog you don't need to [TS]

00:48:34   co something I but like that's it's this [TS]

00:48:36   is the podcast version of a blog I [TS]

00:48:37   wanted some ones that I want to hear [TS]

00:48:39   what this one person has say I go on [TS]

00:48:41   this is his podcast I'll listen to him [TS]

00:48:43   talk right and part of your roles also [TS]

00:48:46   that you are sort of standing in you are [TS]

00:48:49   the advocate for the audience a little [TS]

00:48:51   bit like right whether it's just looking [TS]

00:48:53   at the chat room or thinking of the [TS]

00:48:54   questions that are going to come up in [TS]

00:48:55   the audience's mind and so on and so [TS]

00:48:57   forth so I mean you know because we and [TS]

00:49:00   that's the thing is that that like you [TS]

00:49:02   mentioned before where we'll have [TS]

00:49:03   follow-up because we won't you know we [TS]

00:49:06   might say something or you might be [TS]

00:49:07   talking about something and maybe you [TS]

00:49:08   get a something that's not hun percent [TS]

00:49:11   right a lot of the time the chat room [TS]

00:49:12   will channel that but when I hear you [TS]

00:49:13   say something a lot at the time and I [TS]

00:49:15   just there's something in my gut it says [TS]

00:49:17   wait a minute this doesn't happen a lot [TS]

00:49:19   especially not when we're talking about [TS]

00:49:21   technical stuff because they you you've [TS]

00:49:23   got all that figured out when we're [TS]

00:49:25   talking about the other stuff that that [TS]

00:49:26   where there's like a judgment involved [TS]

00:49:28   and I think well maybe I needs you know [TS]

00:49:31   what are they going to say to that and [TS]

00:49:32   I'm you know you've got it I've got to [TS]

00:49:34   jump in so maybe it's just that maybe [TS]

00:49:36   it's just that you feel that you know [TS]

00:49:37   you're not alone talking into a mic and [TS]

00:49:39   even though you know there's an audience [TS]

00:49:40   there listening having me here you know [TS]

00:49:43   I did it makes it more of a discussion [TS]

00:49:45   even though it's it's pretty much your [TS]

00:49:47   turn on the podium the whole time yeah [TS]

00:49:50   yeah so like i said i think i think that [TS]

00:49:52   does limit the appeal of the show [TS]

00:49:54   because no matter how it's like if [TS]

00:49:56   anybody think of your favorite celebrity [TS]

00:49:57   like like a Ricky Gervais so like say [TS]

00:49:59   you're a big fan of him or something I [TS]

00:50:00   mean he's he's great if it were my [TS]

00:50:02   choice you're my favorite celebrity he [TS]

00:50:05   was just a show with him totally even [TS]

00:50:06   the shows that he does he has this [TS]

00:50:07   partner that be kind of bounces off but [TS]

00:50:09   it's more equal night so just having [TS]

00:50:10   like having a single person dominated [TS]

00:50:12   blog I feel it much easier to deal with [TS]

00:50:14   than having a single person dominated [TS]

00:50:16   podcast so it you know especially if you [TS]

00:50:22   know if you if you if that person is not [TS]

00:50:24   like likable and appealing that really [TS]

00:50:26   limits how how many people are going to [TS]

00:50:30   be able to listen to and like the show [TS]

00:50:32   but that by that's what I wanted that so [TS]

00:50:34   I wanted was a single voice podcast [TS]

00:50:35   that's what I got ah next item it's [TS]

00:50:41   wrong with hypercritical podcast is want [TS]

00:50:43   me wanting to discuss topics that are [TS]

00:50:45   outside my areas of expertise all right [TS]

00:50:48   not doing enough background research on [TS]

00:50:50   those topics what's an example of one of [TS]

00:50:52   those well get the examples I mentioned [TS]

00:50:54   the past shows that I'm not a journalist [TS]

00:50:56   and because i can't just write about any [TS]

00:50:58   topic like a real journalist you just [TS]

00:50:59   throw it a topic they'll learn about and [TS]

00:51:01   talk about it ah it you know in general [TS]

00:51:04   when i do writing i stick to what I [TS]

00:51:05   actually know stuff about or I'm close [TS]

00:51:08   to knowing about so i can do a little [TS]

00:51:09   bit of research and figure it out uh and [TS]

00:51:11   though i have you no interest in [TS]

00:51:14   passionate about lots of topics [TS]

00:51:16   I break the format a little bit when I [TS]

00:51:19   tackle things on the podcast that they [TS]

00:51:20   have little practical experience with [TS]

00:51:22   and it changes for me the podcast then [TS]

00:51:24   changes from me sharing informed [TS]

00:51:26   opinions and backgrounds with the [TS]

00:51:28   audience to me having what one listener [TS]

00:51:31   once described as a slow-motion argument [TS]

00:51:33   with the Internet where where it'll be [TS]

00:51:36   like me discussing something with all [TS]

00:51:37   listeners in the show but in slow motion [TS]

00:51:39   because I get to have my say then they [TS]

00:51:41   do a bunch of fall and then it comes [TS]

00:51:42   back around then we go on and on [TS]

00:51:43   examples of this urban we talked about [TS]

00:51:45   patents or voting technology or geek [TS]

00:51:47   culture areas where I'm not an expert in [TS]

00:51:50   any of them and tried to say that up [TS]

00:51:51   front but that it changes the the nature [TS]

00:51:53   of the show in a strange way and it does [TS]

00:51:56   turn into the you know slow motion [TS]

00:51:58   discussion / argument with the entire [TS]

00:52:00   internet or the audience of the show so [TS]

00:52:02   why why do I do that why not stick the [TS]

00:52:05   topics that I know well well as we [TS]

00:52:08   already established it is a single voice [TS]

00:52:09   podcast and I do have an interest in [TS]

00:52:12   those topics and I want to discuss them [TS]

00:52:13   ah and I actually like that slow motion [TS]

00:52:17   argument with listeners experience for [TS]

00:52:18   the most part although I'd college [TS]

00:52:20   discussion not an argument I actually [TS]

00:52:22   enjoy that that's why I do it so much is [TS]

00:52:24   why we had 17 episodes about patents [TS]

00:52:26   where I just kept talking about it [TS]

00:52:27   beginning it was I kind of like that it [TS]

00:52:28   does kind of split the pot guests into [TS]

00:52:30   two kinds of episodes though the kind [TS]

00:52:32   where I know the kind where I generally [TS]

00:52:34   know more about a topic than most of the [TS]

00:52:35   audience and the kind where I do not hmm [TS]

00:52:37   but I don't like some people like one [TS]

00:52:39   kind of episode some people like the [TS]

00:52:41   other some people like hearing you know [TS]

00:52:42   me talk about my mac OS 10 review where [TS]

00:52:44   I've you know already thought about [TS]

00:52:45   these issues and research them and know [TS]

00:52:47   about them ahead of time and have [TS]

00:52:48   written about them then I'm just [TS]

00:52:49   clarifying that people like those things [TS]

00:52:50   or talk about the top of good I know [TS]

00:52:51   about like programming languages or you [TS]

00:52:53   know file systems or something like that [TS]

00:52:54   and other people like the episodes bar [TS]

00:52:57   that are more open-ended where I'm [TS]

00:52:58   talking about something that there [TS]

00:53:00   aren't as many hard and fast things and [TS]

00:53:01   I don't even know all the facts are [TS]

00:53:02   background like patents or you know geek [TS]

00:53:04   culture something some people like those [TS]

00:53:06   type of episodes I like to have both [TS]

00:53:08   kinds of episodes in the podcast but it [TS]

00:53:10   does make it so it kind of splits the [TS]

00:53:12   podcast and to where you never know what [TS]

00:53:14   you're going to get if you tune in [TS]

00:53:15   because you heard like the Walter [TS]

00:53:17   Isaacson thing where i know tons about [TS]

00:53:19   Steve Jobs and everything I can you know [TS]

00:53:21   really dissect that book like oh wow I [TS]

00:53:22   want to hear this guy talk about the [TS]

00:53:24   things that he's an expert in and I do [TS]

00:53:25   the next show on patents where I man [TS]

00:53:27   admitted non-expert [TS]

00:53:28   like what happened to the show I was [TS]

00:53:29   listening to and by the same token if [TS]

00:53:31   you like oh I like that geek culture [TS]

00:53:32   episode you find out that that's [TS]

00:53:33   generally not the type of thing that I [TS]

00:53:35   talked about this kind of squishy topics [TS]

00:53:36   and instead I do an episode about the [TS]

00:53:38   details of the wii u controller it's [TS]

00:53:40   like what happened to the podcast I [TS]

00:53:41   wanted to listen to me right so you [TS]

00:53:44   can't I'm you know you can't please [TS]

00:53:46   everyone with both of those topics and [TS]

00:53:47   it does it you know it's like it's like [TS]

00:53:49   to podcasts in one and the people who [TS]

00:53:51   like one are probably not going to like [TS]

00:53:52   the other as much alright and the final [TS]

00:53:56   item again this is not like the last [TS]

00:53:58   thing that's wrong with the show there [TS]

00:53:59   are many many many more things wrong and [TS]

00:54:00   I bet you and the audience can list them [TS]

00:54:02   on your own maybe make your own list but [TS]

00:54:05   this is the one I stopped on because i [TS]

00:54:06   figured that like you know diminishing [TS]

00:54:08   returns like i've hit the highlights the [TS]

00:54:09   final thing is wrong with the podcast is [TS]

00:54:11   it's not a full-time job for me [TS]

00:54:12   everything about this show would be [TS]

00:54:15   improved with more time and effort on my [TS]

00:54:17   part i would have more time for [TS]

00:54:18   preparation instead of just preparing [TS]

00:54:20   for several hours like i do it would be [TS]

00:54:22   prepare and then go back and edit the [TS]

00:54:25   preparation which I generally don't have [TS]

00:54:26   time to do like I go from top to bottom [TS]

00:54:28   prepare my notes and like that take [TS]

00:54:30   several hours and said put in the links [TS]

00:54:32   and that's it I don't have time to go [TS]

00:54:33   back again and again and go over it you [TS]

00:54:35   know I could if I did I could formulate [TS]

00:54:37   actual segments like to try to have more [TS]

00:54:40   complex segments with more moving parts [TS]

00:54:42   and more interesting things in them I [TS]

00:54:43   could do much better background research [TS]

00:54:45   on things but like it is a limited [TS]

00:54:46   amount I'm I can dedicate to this uh and [TS]

00:54:48   since it's not my full-time job I never [TS]

00:54:50   did learn many of the skills that can [TS]

00:54:52   help improve a podcast in general like a [TS]

00:54:54   proper diction and less mumbling more [TS]

00:54:58   polished segues between segments fewer [TS]

00:55:00   um Xand us and all the verbal tics and [TS]

00:55:02   saying right with a question mark after [TS]

00:55:04   every have you listened to to the shows [TS]

00:55:08   that you started out doing you know [TS]

00:55:09   ninety some episodes back compare [TS]

00:55:12   yourself to the way you are now you're a [TS]

00:55:14   pro I mean first of all you were really [TS]

00:55:15   good in the beginning but your total pro [TS]

00:55:17   now you don't have any of those things [TS]

00:55:18   anymore I've improved but I can fight [TS]

00:55:21   all the time like a you know I'm saying [TS]

00:55:23   is that if it was a full-time job I feel [TS]

00:55:26   confident that I would be better at [TS]

00:55:27   these things and so if you're listening [TS]

00:55:29   to a podcast for two years you know like [TS]

00:55:30   Jesus guys still almond his way through [TS]

00:55:32   this and it's driving me nuts and you're [TS]

00:55:33   right like after two years you would [TS]

00:55:35   think wouldn't he'd be better after two [TS]

00:55:36   years but like I'm doing this for a [TS]

00:55:38   couple of hours a week it's not a [TS]

00:55:39   full-time job like [TS]

00:55:41   you know I'm not gonna say I'm not a [TS]

00:55:42   professional podcaster because I am [TS]

00:55:43   technically a professional podcaster but [TS]

00:55:45   it is not a full-time job and if you [TS]

00:55:47   listen to podcasts you know from like [TS]

00:55:50   your podcast is your full-time job right [TS]

00:55:53   like there's a difference in level of [TS]

00:55:55   Polish about you know sort of beyond [TS]

00:55:58   their skills between these type of [TS]

00:55:59   things that you know and for podcast [TS]

00:56:01   like mine that I think this is a [TS]

00:56:02   difference in terms of the amount of [TS]

00:56:04   research you like listen to you know [TS]

00:56:05   radio lab or something or this american [TS]

00:56:08   life you might have work and that goes [TS]

00:56:09   into an episode of this american life is [TS]

00:56:11   tremendous it's like it's like more work [TS]

00:56:13   done it to my entire podcast right and [TS]

00:56:15   then they have like a one hour show out [TS]

00:56:17   of that huge amount of work that's [TS]

00:56:18   obviously that's extreme obvious i could [TS]

00:56:20   never attain that level but they have an [TS]

00:56:22   entire staff and these people have been [TS]

00:56:23   doing it for 20 years right but it just [TS]

00:56:25   goes to show if you had more time to put [TS]

00:56:26   into the podcast would be better so i [TS]

00:56:28   think that kind of you know separates [TS]

00:56:31   the podcast world into it shows that are [TS]

00:56:35   done by like a staff of super [TS]

00:56:38   experienced people and this is their [TS]

00:56:39   full-time job versus shows that are done [TS]

00:56:41   by some dude for a couple hours a week [TS]

00:56:42   and there's a line between those and not [TS]

00:56:45   saying you know i enjoy lots of shows [TS]

00:56:47   that are just like that like you know [TS]

00:56:49   roderick online for example I think [TS]

00:56:50   Roderick just shows up for that one and [TS]

00:56:52   talks for an hour and that's it and I [TS]

00:56:53   still love it but that is a different [TS]

00:56:54   kind of show than this american life and [TS]

00:56:56   the whole range in between you know with [TS]

00:56:58   five by five shows Spang the spectrum in [TS]

00:57:01   there right but that is a thing wrong [TS]

00:57:03   with the show and so here are my overall [TS]

00:57:06   comments on the show after going through [TS]

00:57:08   my list of things that are specifically [TS]

00:57:10   wrong with it again feel free to make [TS]

00:57:13   your own list feel free to email me your [TS]

00:57:15   things that are on the show i will not [TS]

00:57:17   be able to follow up on them but it will [TS]

00:57:18   read them ah so i think a common dream [TS]

00:57:21   among creative people i don't have a [TS]

00:57:24   phrases creative people who do creative [TS]

00:57:26   things people who like create something [TS]

00:57:28   and put it out there for the world to [TS]

00:57:30   consume a common dream among a lot of [TS]

00:57:33   those people is to do something that [TS]

00:57:35   you're really passionate about like [TS]

00:57:36   whatever it is that you love i love [TS]

00:57:37   podcasting i love painting all that [TS]

00:57:39   painting horses you just want to you [TS]

00:57:40   know I really love painting or so I'm [TS]

00:57:42   totally going to do that you want to do [TS]

00:57:43   something you super passionate about and [TS]

00:57:45   then also have millions of people love [TS]

00:57:48   it and love you for doing it right I [TS]

00:57:51   just did the right thing I do it all the [TS]

00:57:53   time anyway [TS]

00:57:54   but in the end you can only control one [TS]

00:57:56   part of that dream you can't really [TS]

00:57:58   control whether millions of people love [TS]

00:58:01   horse paintings you can only control [TS]

00:58:03   whether you do the thing that you're [TS]

00:58:05   passionate about and so hyper critical [TS]

00:58:08   as a podcast was I think a great [TS]

00:58:10   reflection of my passions and interests [TS]

00:58:12   and my personality like I did the first [TS]

00:58:15   part of it I did the what are you [TS]

00:58:17   interested in do that thing you're [TS]

00:58:18   passionate about uh and I you know I [TS]

00:58:22   can't control the other half of it of [TS]

00:58:24   how many people like it and [TS]

00:58:25   unfortunately doing things that were [TS]

00:58:28   focused on what my interest severely [TS]

00:58:31   limited the appeal of the program yeah [TS]

00:58:34   like I yes that the popularity [TS]

00:58:36   hypercritical was also limited by all [TS]

00:58:37   the bad things that is discussed but [TS]

00:58:38   they're also limited by the peel of me [TS]

00:58:40   as a person and there's there's an ethos [TS]

00:58:42   that embraces this type of phenomenon [TS]

00:58:45   where you go oh well I'm too high per [TS]

00:58:47   liter regular people know this podcast [TS]

00:58:49   is not like it's it's way too [TS]

00:58:51   complicated for you know like you you [TS]

00:58:52   know that the world is not most of the [TS]

00:58:55   world is not going to be interested in [TS]

00:58:56   to you know you know the most the world [TS]

00:58:57   is not interested in horse paintings see [TS]

00:58:59   all you know these parts paintings are [TS]

00:59:01   much issa fistik ater for you it is all [TS]

00:59:02   I'm only I'm only speaking to the other [TS]

00:59:04   horse painting aficionados out there [TS]

00:59:06   right and I think that's mostly like a [TS]

00:59:09   preemptive defense against being [TS]

00:59:11   rejected by the world because you just [TS]

00:59:12   like I know you're gonna reject me so [TS]

00:59:13   let me just go out and say I'm this is [TS]

00:59:15   very exclusive this is you know I don't [TS]

00:59:17   know if that's a hipster thing or [TS]

00:59:18   whatever with it yeah you can't listen [TS]

00:59:19   to the show it's much much too [TS]

00:59:20   complicated for you right uh so well I [TS]

00:59:24   acknowledge the effects that my very [TS]

00:59:25   specific interest have on the audience [TS]

00:59:28   and how deeply you know I care about [TS]

00:59:29   them I want to do the apps i want to [TS]

00:59:32   also extractor expand by audience by [TS]

00:59:35   conveying these passions about horse [TS]

00:59:36   paintings or whatever in a way that [TS]

00:59:37   makes other people care about them too [TS]

00:59:38   so I very careful not to say oh no what [TS]

00:59:42   you know your mom shouldn't listen to [TS]

00:59:43   hypercritical even though I find myself [TS]

00:59:45   saying that all the time too but like I [TS]

00:59:46   tried to I try to be inclusive and not [TS]

00:59:48   say okay well I'm really passionate [TS]

00:59:50   about video game controllers and it's it [TS]

00:59:52   you probably wouldn't haven't heard of [TS]

00:59:54   it so you know maybe you shouldn't let's [TS]

00:59:55   do it i wanted the opposite i want to [TS]

00:59:56   successfully have a show that will make [TS]

00:59:56   successfully have a show that will make [TS]

01:00:00   some person who doesn't care about a [TS]

01:00:02   topic care about them like some of my [TS]

01:00:03   favorite feedback is when someone tells [TS]

01:00:04   me that they never even thought about [TS]

01:00:06   some topic before but then they listen [TS]

01:00:09   to me talk about it for two hours [TS]

01:00:10   enjoyed every minute of it like I've [TS]

01:00:11   never played video games before but I [TS]

01:00:13   listened to your to our thing on video [TS]

01:00:14   game controls and I loved it or I don't [TS]

01:00:16   even use a Mac but listen to your Mac [TS]

01:00:17   os10 things and I was really interested [TS]

01:00:19   in that is the best kind of feedback [TS]

01:00:20   that's what I'm trying to do with the [TS]

01:00:21   show uh and so it's me sticking to the [TS]

01:00:24   thing that I'm passionate about and just [TS]

01:00:27   totally doing that and even though I [TS]

01:00:29   can't control the having millions of [TS]

01:00:31   people love it part I can at least not [TS]

01:00:34   preemptively close myself off by saying [TS]

01:00:36   that the show is to to elite for regular [TS]

01:00:40   people so to sum up I I think I feel [TS]

01:00:42   good about the body of work so to speak [TS]

01:00:45   that I'm leaving behind these 100 [TS]

01:00:47   episodes I think buried among all of [TS]

01:00:50   these silliness and blabbering and [TS]

01:00:52   meandering there was some actual good [TS]

01:00:55   inside and tech analysis buried in their [TS]

01:00:58   little nuggets of it if I had more time [TS]

01:01:01   I could have written a nice google [TS]

01:01:03   searchable blog post about every one of [TS]

01:01:05   those topics like it was the mark twain [TS]

01:01:06   thing if I had more time over to bring a [TS]

01:01:08   shorter letter that's totally true like [TS]

01:01:10   when I that's part of the reason I [TS]

01:01:12   wanted to applaud cast is because i [TS]

01:01:13   found i wasn't blogging that much but I [TS]

01:01:14   had all these ideas like you know what [TS]

01:01:16   if I could just sitting from them like [TS]

01:01:17   we're going to talk about them yes [TS]

01:01:18   there'd be a lot of flab and stuff but i [TS]

01:01:20   would get out these one or two or three [TS]

01:01:22   little insights or tidbits or opinions [TS]

01:01:24   that i wanted to get out right uh and [TS]

01:01:27   you know but i couldn't so podcasting [TS]

01:01:30   was perfect for that and podcasting [TS]

01:01:32   feels a different role I think than [TS]

01:01:33   blogging you know tech blogging in a [TS]

01:01:35   typical tech blog type of thing where [TS]

01:01:37   it's not just information at insight and [TS]

01:01:39   analysis is also hopefully entertainment [TS]

01:01:41   it could even be like companionship or [TS]

01:01:43   you know auditory comfort of just [TS]

01:01:45   hearing those voices hearing that [TS]

01:01:47   hypercritical theme song startup you [TS]

01:01:48   know mm-hmm and sometimes it's just [TS]

01:01:50   background noise sometimes just when [TS]

01:01:51   you're cleaning the house you want to [TS]

01:01:52   have something on its background oh it's [TS]

01:01:53   nuts you can't you can't do that with a [TS]

01:01:54   blog post right uh so I I want to thank [TS]

01:02:00   all the listeners who wrote in over the [TS]

01:02:01   years even if I didn't talk about your [TS]

01:02:03   feedback on the show and for the vast [TS]

01:02:05   majority of it I did not talk about your [TS]

01:02:07   feedback on the show because there's [TS]

01:02:08   only so much room in the show and the [TS]

01:02:09   follow-up was long enough as it was I [TS]

01:02:10   rest assured that I did read it [TS]

01:02:13   I want to thank you Dan for hounding me [TS]

01:02:15   until I did the show I'm reminded of [TS]

01:02:17   Daniel jackets often stated policy of [TS]

01:02:20   saying yes to things even when every [TS]

01:02:22   part of your minded body is telling you [TS]

01:02:23   to say no I don't totally agree with [TS]

01:02:26   that philosophy but like most good [TS]

01:02:28   advice it's I think it's good in small [TS]

01:02:29   doses and this was doing this podcast at [TS]

01:02:32   all was definitely a case of that and I [TS]

01:02:35   guess finally before we do the QA Dana [TS]

01:02:37   malt of this show oh I'm trying to put a [TS]

01:02:40   bow tie on the entire podcast and I will [TS]

01:02:42   do so by paraphrasing Dickie Fox from [TS]

01:02:46   the end of a well-known movie I don't [TS]

01:02:50   know if you can guess the movie my video [TS]

01:02:51   audience can as well look I don't have [TS]

01:02:54   all the answers to be honest in this [TS]

01:02:55   podcast I failed as often as I succeeded [TS]

01:02:57   but I've loved doing it I don't regret a [TS]

01:02:59   single episode and i wish you my kind of [TS]

01:03:02   success do you really think i won't know [TS]

01:03:05   that movie i don't know if you know move [TS]

01:03:07   either i can never guess what you're [TS]

01:03:09   gonna know it is one of the i have there [TS]

01:03:10   there's like three movies make me cry [TS]

01:03:12   it's not one of them is that rude the [TS]

01:03:16   first one is Rushmore the second one is [TS]

01:03:19   Jerry Maguire the third one is it's a [TS]

01:03:22   wonderful life it's a wonderful life oh [TS]

01:03:25   man I know I'm so I'm sentimental guy [TS]

01:03:27   what can I say I don't guess that one so [TS]

01:03:30   my guess is that it this isn't from [TS]

01:03:32   Rushmore you get those curso must be [TS]

01:03:34   Jeremy glory but i do love Rushmore [TS]

01:03:36   alright then you're on ok well we still [TS]

01:03:42   got two more sponsors I mean that's we [TS]

01:03:44   still got to pay the bills on this thing [TS]

01:03:45   I know what you a nod to haven't turned [TS]

01:03:48   it in yet you can't you know you have [TS]

01:03:50   unlimited time oh really well you know [TS]

01:03:53   because we're an hour in unlimited with [TS]

01:03:57   scare quotes there's a lot of pressure [TS]

01:03:59   on me though because if I don't ask the [TS]

01:04:01   questions that the listeners you know [TS]

01:04:02   what really their chance then they have [TS]

01:04:05   it alright this can just be I so you're [TS]

01:04:07   you're clearing me of all everything's [TS]

01:04:10   coming up milhouse tan it's like [TS]

01:04:12   international immunity like I'm a damn a [TS]

01:04:16   diplomat I can do no wrong yeah [TS]

01:04:18   shutterstock.com where you'll find over [TS]

01:04:20   20 million stock photos vectors [TS]

01:04:22   illustrations video clips you just go to [TS]

01:04:23   shutterstock.com you'll find the perfect [TS]

01:04:26   image for your web [TS]

01:04:26   I add publication whatever create a [TS]

01:04:28   project are working on you can choose [TS]

01:04:31   between an image pack monthly [TS]

01:04:32   subscriptions there's these enhanced [TS]

01:04:34   licenses let you get pretty much [TS]

01:04:37   anything you want to use for any purpose [TS]

01:04:39   like swag hey mugs whatever it is you [TS]

01:04:41   want to do they don't charge you more [TS]

01:04:43   for the extra large files you can just [TS]

01:04:45   download any image in any size and you [TS]

01:04:46   pay only one price they don't nickel and [TS]

01:04:49   dime you for the hi-res stuff you go [TS]

01:04:52   there and you sign up me I mean if even [TS]

01:04:53   if you just want one image you can just [TS]

01:04:55   get one image or you can create these [TS]

01:04:57   light boxes there's an iPad app for this [TS]

01:05:00   too by the way which is cool but the [TS]

01:05:01   light boxes let you organize things [TS]

01:05:02   curate things share them with your [TS]

01:05:05   friends or coworkers you can do this all [TS]

01:05:07   for free over at shutterstock.com when [TS]

01:05:11   you figure out what you want to buy use [TS]

01:05:12   the offer code dan sent me 12 dan sent [TS]

01:05:16   me one too and you'll get thirty percent [TS]

01:05:18   off any package check them out [TS]

01:05:20   shutterstock.com southworth in the [TS]

01:05:26   chatroom said I agree with the am [TS]

01:05:27   Benjamin so far every criticism that [TS]

01:05:29   John made has been part of what makes a [TS]

01:05:31   show great oh that's that's part of it [TS]

01:05:33   though but like that if you're going to [TS]

01:05:35   say what's wrong with the show this is [TS]

01:05:36   what's wrong with the show like the same [TS]

01:05:38   things that make the people who really [TS]

01:05:40   like the show like it repel other people [TS]

01:05:42   that's just the nature of the show can i [TS]

01:05:44   gets back tomorrow saying about like [TS]

01:05:45   doing being true to yourself and doing [TS]

01:05:47   what you're passionate about and [TS]

01:05:48   recognizing that maybe that's actually [TS]

01:05:52   going to cause millions of people not to [TS]

01:05:54   love you right so you know this is much [TS]

01:05:56   better to do that than to do the [TS]

01:05:57   opposite you know you want to have both [TS]

01:05:59   but if you concentrate on the other side [TS]

01:06:00   let me just do things that is going to [TS]

01:06:01   make the world love me and make this a [TS]

01:06:02   wildly popular show you will not be [TS]

01:06:04   happy because you won't be doing what it [TS]

01:06:06   is that you want to do and it's a luxury [TS]

01:06:08   to be able to do this to be able to say [TS]

01:06:09   okay this isn't my full-time job like [TS]

01:06:11   just make the show about what I want and [TS]

01:06:12   not care that I'm limiting the appeal to [TS]

01:06:14   show but those are things that are you [TS]

01:06:16   know wrong with the show for from the [TS]

01:06:18   perspective of most people all right I'm [TS]

01:06:24   ready for your cues all right let me see [TS]

01:06:28   what I'm where I can start now I some of [TS]

01:06:31   these questions I believe may have not [TS]

01:06:35   Mannix I have a whole list here but [TS]

01:06:38   there are some questions here that that [TS]

01:06:39   I may have sort of [TS]

01:06:40   asked you but because this is in many [TS]

01:06:42   ways they you know a montage if you will [TS]

01:06:45   retrospective that I would like to ask [TS]

01:06:48   perhaps some of them again so one could [TS]

01:06:52   have changed right possibly you know I [TS]

01:06:55   think over the castaic may I make a [TS]

01:06:58   statement I have a prepared state you [TS]

01:07:00   may well I would like to say thanks very [TS]

01:07:02   much to you for doing this show not just [TS]

01:07:06   for doing it in general but for doing [TS]

01:07:07   100 episodes of it you know we said on [TS]

01:07:10   the show few episodes back where you [TS]

01:07:12   announced it was coming to an end and I [TS]

01:07:14   said then you know you you never really [TS]

01:07:17   yeah i'll do i'll do a few we'll see [TS]

01:07:19   what happens i'll do a few more we'll [TS]

01:07:20   see what happened and it's been such a [TS]

01:07:22   great run it's been so much fun for me [TS]

01:07:24   every single episode doing the show with [TS]

01:07:26   you it's it's done so much for me on a [TS]

01:07:29   personal level I know it's done a [TS]

01:07:31   tremendous amount for the folks that [TS]

01:07:33   lived listened in all this time and and [TS]

01:07:34   it's just been something great to to [TS]

01:07:37   have on five by five and thanks to you [TS]

01:07:39   for doing it and I'm glad you said yes [TS]

01:07:41   and anytime you want to come back on [TS]

01:07:43   anything ever will be here so thanks [TS]

01:07:48   John so what did the beginning not Dan [TS]

01:07:50   sleep well most likely kill you in the [TS]

01:07:51   morning alright so here's the question [TS]

01:07:54   what is a day in the life like for John [TS]

01:07:56   siracusa the irregular guy I don't care [TS]

01:08:00   I don't care about yours I'm not gonna [TS]

01:08:01   ask you what your thoughts on techna [TS]

01:08:02   where do you think we'll be headed in [TS]

01:08:04   2015 with portable computing I whole [TS]

01:08:06   cares about that crap that's a blog post [TS]

01:08:08   I want to I want to get to know the man [TS]

01:08:11   once again what's a day in your life [TS]

01:08:14   like as personal as you care to get it's [TS]

01:08:17   pretty boring it's let let us be the [TS]

01:08:19   judge of that place alright so I wake up [TS]

01:08:21   usually with the alarm because i have to [TS]

01:08:27   wake up before the kids wake up go down [TS]

01:08:31   and get their breakfast ready and then [TS]

01:08:33   wake them up try to give them maximum [TS]

01:08:35   amount of time in bed because at this [TS]

01:08:36   point they're both sleepy before they go [TS]

01:08:37   off to school so appointed by the time I [TS]

01:08:40   wake them up their breakfast is ready [TS]

01:08:41   then I have to get both of them down to [TS]

01:08:44   eat their breakfast which is not always [TS]

01:08:45   easy to be sometimes that I want to get [TS]

01:08:47   out of bed then they eat their breakfast [TS]

01:08:49   and then I go up [TS]

01:08:52   and uh my wife comes down because that's [TS]

01:08:54   when she showered she prepares to lunch [TS]

01:08:56   I take my shower I'm out of the shower [TS]

01:08:58   and then my wife goes off to work and I [TS]

01:09:00   get them onto the bus they go off onto [TS]

01:09:02   the bus I eat my breakfast go into work [TS]

01:09:04   spend all day at work around 5pm leave [TS]

01:09:07   work pick up my kids from school because [TS]

01:09:09   they're both in the same school now [TS]

01:09:10   which is convenient uh pick them up get [TS]

01:09:15   all their stuff bring them back home [TS]

01:09:16   make a dinner feed them dinner make sure [TS]

01:09:19   they do their homework and their reading [TS]

01:09:22   and whatever musical instrument practice [TS]

01:09:24   or whatever they have ah then get them [TS]

01:09:28   teeth brushed into bed bath if it's a [TS]

01:09:32   bath day and once they go to sleep then [TS]

01:09:35   my time begins you know about my time [TS]

01:09:37   Dan as a parent to special a special [TS]

01:09:40   alone time quality alone time no it's [TS]

01:09:43   not so much alone is adult time a [TS]

01:09:45   different from the time I've woken up my [TS]

01:09:47   time has not been my time my time has [TS]

01:09:49   been my children's time or you know I [TS]

01:09:50   works time now finally I have time to do [TS]

01:09:53   something myself usually what that is is [TS]

01:09:55   to collapse on the couch and watch [TS]

01:09:58   couple television shows then go to bed [TS]

01:10:00   but you know say if it's a day before a [TS]

01:10:02   show or sometime before a show i'm doing [TS]

01:10:04   show prep and then going to bed or if I [TS]

01:10:06   have another podcast to do that and then [TS]

01:10:07   go to bed occasionally I will you know [TS]

01:10:11   doodle around the computer for a little [TS]

01:10:13   bit but in general I try not to be on [TS]

01:10:15   the computer and after work I'm trying [TS]

01:10:18   to limit the amount of time on the [TS]

01:10:19   computer you know that if there's a [TS]

01:10:21   video game that I'm playing maybe I [TS]

01:10:22   would give that game an hour instead of [TS]

01:10:24   an hour of television and then go to bed [TS]

01:10:25   but I don't play that many games so [TS]

01:10:27   that's that's it that's a typical day [TS]

01:10:29   weekend days are different because they [TS]

01:10:30   have kids activities that I'm ferrying [TS]

01:10:32   them too but it's similar what's your [TS]

01:10:34   commute like half an hour 45 minutes [TS]

01:10:38   with traffic driving in your car use [TS]

01:10:40   plug public transportation driving my [TS]

01:10:42   car listening to podcasts headphones are [TS]

01:10:46   in the stereo the car if I'm in a car [TS]

01:10:49   that supports it through the stereo I do [TS]

01:10:51   it through stereo if I not I do [TS]

01:10:52   headphones but you're only allowed to [TS]

01:10:54   have one headphone in legally in [TS]

01:10:56   Massachusetts while you're driving I [TS]

01:10:57   mean it doesn't it doesn't make a [TS]

01:10:59   difference it's just people talking or [TS]

01:11:00   it's not here and I'm missing this [TS]

01:11:02   stereo sound [TS]

01:11:03   two voices as many people were surprised [TS]

01:11:06   to find out over the course of doing the [TS]

01:11:09   show you you do not write full time for [TS]

01:11:11   Ars Technica nope you do not podcast [TS]

01:11:14   full time I do not you have a job you [TS]

01:11:17   are a software developer in a [TS]

01:11:18   undisclosed Boston health care company [TS]

01:11:22   yep I got a j.o.b job but but what you [TS]

01:11:26   call course dude shop yep and you are do [TS]

01:11:30   you enjoy your work I do for the most [TS]

01:11:33   part like I've said on past things where [TS]

01:11:35   people like you know you don't like [TS]

01:11:36   right for all time for our Tecna would [TS]

01:11:37   you like to like is that what you really [TS]

01:11:39   want to do and same thing with [TS]

01:11:41   podcasting and I think the answer is [TS]

01:11:42   probably no because like I've been doing [TS]

01:11:45   I've been the professional programmer [TS]

01:11:47   since I graduated college and I don't [TS]

01:11:49   get tired of that like I'm some people [TS]

01:11:50   do programming like I can't take it [TS]

01:11:52   anymore like I I don't want to be a [TS]

01:11:53   program your ID I like programming I [TS]

01:11:55   like doing it and it's something that [TS]

01:11:56   apparently i can do for years on end [TS]

01:11:58   without getting bored with it because [TS]

01:11:59   it's just always one interesting problem [TS]

01:12:01   after another and this you know [TS]

01:12:02   interesting problems to be solved [TS]

01:12:03   whereas i think if i did podcasting full [TS]

01:12:06   time are writing full-time i'm not sure [TS]

01:12:08   i would have the sort of the same [TS]

01:12:09   endurance it's hard for me to tell [TS]

01:12:10   because those two activities are always [TS]

01:12:12   like be the extras added onto my [TS]

01:12:14   full-time job so maybe it's just that [TS]

01:12:16   you know I I feel like I couldn't [TS]

01:12:18   possibly take being a writer full time [TS]

01:12:19   because I just know how exhausting it is [TS]

01:12:20   writing but I'm doing the writing on top [TS]

01:12:22   of my normal you know for the hour-plus [TS]

01:12:24   job week so but anyway I do enjoy [TS]

01:12:27   program and I do like still doing it [TS]

01:12:29   like you know at various times at [TS]

01:12:30   various jobs I've had different amounts [TS]

01:12:33   of management responsibilities managing [TS]

01:12:34   other people and having done a little [TS]

01:12:37   bit of that that does not appeal to me [TS]

01:12:38   as much as just being a programmer does [TS]

01:12:40   right so I maybe I'm limiting my own [TS]

01:12:42   possible success in my working life by [TS]

01:12:45   having that opinion but that's that's [TS]

01:12:46   what I like doing I like programming if [TS]

01:12:49   all of a sudden you were wealthy beyond [TS]

01:12:51   your wildest dreams you had enough for [TS]

01:12:54   your family you had enough for your [TS]

01:12:55   children your children's children and [TS]

01:12:57   there was no more that you could [TS]

01:12:59   possibly do to get paid to increase that [TS]

01:13:03   wealth no matter how hard you worked or [TS]

01:13:06   what you invest it was just it was there [TS]

01:13:07   it was done would you still work and [TS]

01:13:10   what would you do I would probably start [TS]

01:13:14   a software company [TS]

01:13:16   I had unlimited money what I would want [TS]

01:13:19   to do with my free time after spending [TS]

01:13:21   tremendous amount of free time doing all [TS]

01:13:22   the things you'd normally do like [TS]

01:13:23   getting a new house and buying nice cars [TS]

01:13:27   and all the other interests that I did [TS]

01:13:28   you go sit on the beach or anything that [TS]

01:13:30   I can't indulge well the new house would [TS]

01:13:31   be near a beach open the new cars you [TS]

01:13:34   know like that Oh as I'm very interested [TS]

01:13:36   in cars but they don't have enough money [TS]

01:13:38   to buy fancy ones and I'm very [TS]

01:13:39   interested in living by the beach but [TS]

01:13:42   can't afford that so I would do all that [TS]

01:13:43   but once I was done with that like what [TS]

01:13:44   would I do with my time in addition to [TS]

01:13:47   you know setting up a really fancy [TS]

01:13:48   entertainment center lots of cool [TS]

01:13:49   computers and all that stuff I would [TS]

01:13:51   probably start a software company I [TS]

01:13:52   would hire other developers and I would [TS]

01:13:55   myself would be a developer and I would [TS]

01:13:56   write software for the mac for iOS and [TS]

01:13:57   stuff like that uh whatever kind of [TS]

01:14:00   software i wanted i wouldn't care [TS]

01:14:01   whether it's old because hey i don't [TS]

01:14:03   have to worry about money anymore now [TS]

01:14:04   basically i would have enough money to [TS]

01:14:06   sort of find the best programmers that i [TS]

01:14:08   know and pay them lots of money to [TS]

01:14:10   create the software applications that i [TS]

01:14:12   wish existed in the world maybe i would [TS]

01:14:15   get bored of that that's that's my [TS]

01:14:16   that's my go-to plan so G ok so that's [TS]

01:14:21   that's good is that would you say that [TS]

01:14:23   that's your dream though I mean that's a [TS]

01:14:25   good thing to have in the fantasy world [TS]

01:14:27   but if that's your dream would you have [TS]

01:14:28   a dream is there something that you feel [TS]

01:14:29   like my dream is just not to have to [TS]

01:14:31   work so you know is I'm the team if you [TS]

01:14:35   could keep the life exactly the way that [TS]

01:14:36   it is now but just know working well see [TS]

01:14:40   I'm one of those people like loss [TS]

01:14:42   aversion is one of my big motivating [TS]

01:14:43   factors so I'm very conservative you [TS]

01:14:46   know it's why I got a j-o-b job right [TS]

01:14:47   you know some people have the j-o-b job [TS]

01:14:49   and can't like can't stand it it drives [TS]

01:14:51   them nuts it doesn't drive me nuts I [TS]

01:14:53   apparently have a high tolerance for it [TS]

01:14:54   what drives me nuts is you know [TS]

01:14:56   uncertainty and not knowing what comes [TS]

01:14:58   next so some people like the [TS]

01:15:00   entrepreneurial spirit is like where the [TS]

01:15:02   you know the fear in danger of being on [TS]

01:15:05   your own uh is outweighed by how [TS]

01:15:09   agonizing you find working for the man [TS]

01:15:12   all right so like you or marker or [TS]

01:15:14   whatever like that balance flipped and [TS]

01:15:17   you said you know what even though going [TS]

01:15:18   out on your own too scary and there's [TS]

01:15:20   lots of work and you know uncertainty [TS]

01:15:22   and everything it's still way better [TS]

01:15:24   than what what I'm going through now and [TS]

01:15:26   so you see switch over and I've that [TS]

01:15:27   we'll probably never switch for me the [TS]

01:15:29   only way or whatever it would ever [TS]

01:15:30   switch is if I just didn't have to worry [TS]

01:15:32   about anything anymore got unlimited [TS]

01:15:33   money or enough money so that just might [TS]

01:15:35   as well be unlimited and then the loss [TS]

01:15:36   in the version to lost motivation goes [TS]

01:15:39   away and it's like all right well I [TS]

01:15:40   don't have to worry about that anymore [TS]

01:15:41   so now I can do whatever I want and then [TS]

01:15:43   you can try all sorts of risky things [TS]

01:15:45   and that otherwise those same risky [TS]

01:15:46   things were I didn't that would drive me [TS]

01:15:47   nuts and I would be up all night and I [TS]

01:15:49   would be stressing out and pull my hair [TS]

01:15:50   out and give myself a heart condition [TS]

01:15:51   and just you know it would not make me [TS]

01:15:53   happy to do it in the current situation [TS]

01:15:55   but if you could remove all the risk [TS]

01:15:58   from it then suddenly it's acceptable so [TS]

01:16:00   yeah that's since I'm motivated by fear [TS]

01:16:03   of I uncertainty and fear of loss all I [TS]

01:16:05   want is for that to be taken away for [TS]

01:16:07   everything to be taken care of and just [TS]

01:16:09   only thing I have to worry about is just [TS]

01:16:11   you know my health and safety and and [TS]

01:16:14   stuff like that and not to worry about [TS]

01:16:15   money anymore like forest gump in the [TS]

01:16:17   forest gump movie where he's like ah got [TS]

01:16:19   the email we got the apple stock or [TS]

01:16:21   whatever and he says man told me I [TS]

01:16:23   wouldn't have to worry about money [TS]

01:16:24   anymore it's one less thing yeah that's [TS]

01:16:27   it's that one less thing is the one main [TS]

01:16:29   thing because you know all security in [TS]

01:16:31   the modern civilized world traces itself [TS]

01:16:34   back to money so I'm much more [TS]

01:16:36   comfortable having a steady paycheck [TS]

01:16:38   even if it's not a big paycheck you know [TS]

01:16:40   rather than the potential huge upside of [TS]

01:16:42   going in on my own because because of [TS]

01:16:45   all the associated risk and uncertainty [TS]

01:16:46   that comes with that that would just [TS]

01:16:47   stress me out I'm much more comfortable [TS]

01:16:49   in my corporate stooge job ok I've got [TS]

01:16:54   more questions for you get to do our [TS]

01:16:55   last sponsor alright so this is a cool [TS]

01:16:58   app if you have kids especially if you [TS]

01:17:01   don't have kids but it's kind of geared [TS]

01:17:02   for you know you have a lot of apparent [TS]

01:17:04   lit parents who are listeners here John [TS]

01:17:06   I know it if you have kids in your home [TS]

01:17:09   you probably have like a gallery of [TS]

01:17:11   their our work whether it's you know [TS]

01:17:12   drawings that they've done or [TS]

01:17:14   achievements or report cards things like [TS]

01:17:16   that up on the fridge eventually though [TS]

01:17:18   you run out of room so you want to take [TS]

01:17:20   something down be like wow I like that [TS]

01:17:22   one or he wanted that one still up there [TS]

01:17:23   so what do you do you feel guilty and [TS]

01:17:25   you take the stuff down well you don't [TS]

01:17:27   have to do that anymore they there is a [TS]

01:17:28   new iPad app called an infinite [TS]

01:17:30   refrigerator it's fri was six so when [TS]

01:17:34   your kitchen refrigerator doesn't have [TS]

01:17:35   any more space you have one of these in [TS]

01:17:37   a virtual one you tap and drag and you [TS]

01:17:39   create a little magnet and your child's [TS]

01:17:41   personal [TS]

01:17:42   nized refrigerator and use the magnet to [TS]

01:17:44   hang a digital photo of their [TS]

01:17:46   accomplishment this is all in the ipad [TS]

01:17:47   act very cool you can add a title [TS]

01:17:49   account of the description you can even [TS]

01:17:50   have your kid describing the photo of [TS]

01:17:52   this artwork or whatever it is in their [TS]

01:17:54   own voice and unlike your real fridge [TS]

01:17:56   the infinite refrigerator keeps this [TS]

01:17:59   stuff forever you can click on a [TS]

01:18:00   calendar that's by the little fridge and [TS]

01:18:02   you travel through time to see what the [TS]

01:18:03   frig look like last week last month last [TS]

01:18:05   year you get all those annotations with [TS]

01:18:08   it it's really really cool and comes [TS]

01:18:10   with that like a blue fridge if you want [TS]

01:18:12   to unlock other colors you can do that [TS]

01:18:13   for a buck 99 but it's free to start out [TS]

01:18:16   with its it infinite refrigerator dot [TS]

01:18:19   com go check it out save your kids are [TS]

01:18:21   don't throw stuff out this is a real [TS]

01:18:24   problem that I didn't think about before [TS]

01:18:26   I was apparent but now that I am like [TS]

01:18:28   they produce a tremendous amount of work [TS]

01:18:31   and and it's all good stuff you don't [TS]

01:18:34   want to throw it all out but at a [TS]

01:18:36   certain point you're like all right well [TS]

01:18:37   like it's me having a fire hazard we [TS]

01:18:39   have to we have to prune and so you we [TS]

01:18:42   do the thing where we take pictures I [TS]

01:18:43   mean I guess that's what this Apple [TS]

01:18:45   before but you know dedicate that but [TS]

01:18:46   like you know you weeded out and you're [TS]

01:18:48   like oh ok well we just kind of throw [TS]

01:18:50   stuff out but at least take a picture of [TS]

01:18:51   that one because it's cute and ya know [TS]

01:18:53   what the thing is you're taking a [TS]

01:18:55   picture of it sometimes a year after it [TS]

01:18:56   was done so then you have to have some [TS]

01:18:57   other way to note what the date of the [TS]

01:18:59   thing is everything and we only did some [TS]

01:19:00   we're pruning so I should check out this [TS]

01:19:01   app to see if it will help ya ah now [TS]

01:19:04   although I wish it were just confined to [TS]

01:19:06   my fridge because my kids stuff is just [TS]

01:19:07   spreading over the walls of this listen [TS]

01:19:09   it's nice but uh yeah dude you have I [TS]

01:19:13   don't know how much how what's the [TS]

01:19:15   artistic output of your children at this [TS]

01:19:17   point uh the boy will I mean he's at [TS]

01:19:22   school it seems like they come home with [TS]

01:19:23   something I'm almost every day sometimes [TS]

01:19:26   they'll work on something for a couple [TS]

01:19:28   days you know get a little bit of space [TS]

01:19:30   but he's he's very into he's in a stage [TS]

01:19:33   now where he's starting it into like [TS]

01:19:35   remote control cars and building things [TS]

01:19:37   with Legos as we say you know and that [TS]

01:19:41   kind of stuff now so the drawing output [TS]

01:19:43   has decreased but the shrinky dink [TS]

01:19:46   output has increased [TS]

01:19:47   so and those all have magnets attached [TS]

01:19:50   to them so they go up on the fridge also [TS]

01:19:52   shrink eating said my name is what you [TS]

01:19:54   can you can they come with a little [TS]

01:19:56   amount block of magnet yeah after [TS]

01:19:57   they've been cooked you can glue it on I [TS]

01:19:59   remember shrinky dinks i don't think i [TS]

01:20:01   ever did them with my kids I don't know [TS]

01:20:03   they still made him yeah they're they're [TS]

01:20:04   quite expensive for the two sheets that [TS]

01:20:07   you get for 15 bucks but there there are [TS]

01:20:09   a lot of fun they come with some pencils [TS]

01:20:11   draw it in we're on this we moved from [TS]

01:20:13   the Spongebob as he has matured from [TS]

01:20:15   spongebob to spider-man now so I did [TS]

01:20:17   spider-man shrinky dinks as a kid it was [TS]

01:20:19   my big shrinky dink that I was my [TS]

01:20:21   shrinky dink topic area what do you [TS]

01:20:24   think it was in your childhood that set [TS]

01:20:26   you on the path to become a software [TS]

01:20:29   developer not a computer guy because we [TS]

01:20:30   talked about that play on this show but [TS]

01:20:32   they'd set you on the path that said i [TS]

01:20:34   would i would like to develop software [TS]

01:20:36   for living and that's my goal and that's [TS]

01:20:37   what makes me happy almost nothing in my [TS]

01:20:40   childhood because like i was i was [TS]

01:20:41   exposed to programming for a very early [TS]

01:20:43   age like when you when you learn [TS]

01:20:45   computers quote unquote that's what they [TS]

01:20:46   called in the 80s you should really [TS]

01:20:47   learn the amp you learn computers right [TS]

01:20:49   i took my parents maybe take a typing [TS]

01:20:51   course because you're gonna have to know [TS]

01:20:52   how to type so i don't know how old I [TS]

01:20:54   was maybe eight or nine or ten there I [TS]

01:20:56   am on the Apple to like supposedly [TS]

01:20:58   learning how to type with some sort of [TS]

01:20:59   typing program it didn't take because [TS]

01:21:02   I'm a bad student and don't pay [TS]

01:21:03   attention and again I took typing on IBM [TS]

01:21:06   Selectric electric typewriters in high [TS]

01:21:07   school also didn't take even though they [TS]

01:21:09   told me the correct way to type by then [TS]

01:21:11   it was too late so I do not type the [TS]

01:21:12   right way but that's what you know [TS]

01:21:14   learning computers was both that and [TS]

01:21:16   then the second thing you learned in the [TS]

01:21:17   learning computers class besides typing [TS]

01:21:18   was basic mmm and you know 10 print [TS]

01:21:21   hello 20 go to 10 right you know the [TS]

01:21:23   whole nine yards and so I've been [TS]

01:21:25   programming since I could use computer [TS]

01:21:27   like I'm the vic-20 you could write [TS]

01:21:28   basic programs and stuff and when I got [TS]

01:21:30   the mac i had the what is it was a [TS]

01:21:33   microsoft basic 10 whatever one of the [TS]

01:21:35   basic whichever basic program came with [TS]

01:21:37   the little picture on the box it showed [TS]

01:21:38   showed you how to make a globe out of a [TS]

01:21:40   bunch of ellipses you know horizontal [TS]

01:21:41   and vertical ones i'll remember that one [TS]

01:21:45   yeah it was like you had you had a [TS]

01:21:47   window drawing window and one window you [TS]

01:21:48   had to program the other window ya know [TS]

01:21:51   I wasn't logo I never did the turtle [TS]

01:21:52   logo the only time I saw laga was on mr. [TS]

01:21:54   wizard and I looked at in a cell that's [TS]

01:21:56   interesting but and HyperCard I did [TS]

01:21:58   hyper hyper contacts with writing and [TS]

01:22:00   hyper talk but [TS]

01:22:01   whole time if you had asked me do you [TS]

01:22:03   want to be a computer programmer [TS]

01:22:04   currently I would say no God no I hate [TS]

01:22:06   that like I was only using as a means to [TS]

01:22:08   an end this you did basic because like [TS]

01:22:09   that's one of the few things you can do [TS]

01:22:11   with the vic-20 is you can write your [TS]

01:22:12   own little basic program so you could [TS]

01:22:13   read them from magazines and type them [TS]

01:22:14   in but I had just a some sort of [TS]

01:22:18   terrible mental barrier like if someone [TS]

01:22:19   had sat down with me eight years old and [TS]

01:22:21   explained to me how programming works [TS]

01:22:22   I'm like oh like you need that that I [TS]

01:22:25   get it moment and I did not have that I [TS]

01:22:27   get at moment you know but lots of [TS]

01:22:28   people have those I get a moment's like [TS]

01:22:29   with math where you finally understand [TS]

01:22:30   algebra then you finally understand [TS]

01:22:32   calculus or whatever you know at a [TS]

01:22:34   certain point you're just like going [TS]

01:22:35   through the motions but then when you [TS]

01:22:36   finally get it you say oh I see I see [TS]

01:22:38   what's going ahead then you can go off I [TS]

01:22:40   never got that moment with programming [TS]

01:22:41   so I would just sit there banging out [TS]

01:22:42   stuff in you know basic or hyper talk or [TS]

01:22:46   whatever didn't didn't you know do any C [TS]

01:22:48   or anything like that when I was a kid [TS]

01:22:50   even in high school we didn't have any [TS]

01:22:53   programming classes I don't think we had [TS]

01:22:55   like a computer class but you just used [TS]

01:22:56   computers and you didn't really program [TS]

01:22:57   them so nothing in my childhood made me [TS]

01:23:00   suspect that I would ever want to be a [TS]

01:23:02   programming and I didn't even understand [TS]

01:23:03   program I think I told this story before [TS]

01:23:04   when uh I was trying to write myself a [TS]

01:23:07   text adventure because i was with gamer [TS]

01:23:08   computer gamer from early on i'm like [TS]

01:23:09   text adventure you know I know enough [TS]

01:23:11   basic I feel like I could write a text [TS]

01:23:13   adventure you know never realizing a [TS]

01:23:16   hard just actually write a text [TS]

01:23:17   adventure but ah I was trying to write [TS]

01:23:20   my you know so you find yourself in a [TS]

01:23:21   field ball blog directions north south [TS]

01:23:22   east west and then you know get the [TS]

01:23:24   input and then see what it is that they [TS]

01:23:26   wrote and tell them if they wrote [TS]

01:23:27   something was incorrectly to incorrect [TS]

01:23:28   and then if they wrote something was [TS]

01:23:29   correct bring into the next room right [TS]

01:23:31   only I didn't understand what this term [TS]

01:23:34   in the mac basic forum gosub meant i had [TS]

01:23:37   no idea what the hell goes up man go go [TS]

01:23:39   into a submarine what the heck does go [TS]

01:23:41   sub me I didn't know what a summer team [TS]

01:23:43   was in nineteen eighty-four like i [TS]

01:23:44   didn't understand subroutines or [TS]

01:23:46   functions at all that's what i mean [TS]

01:23:48   about not getting it and so I tried to [TS]

01:23:50   write myself a text adventure without [TS]

01:23:51   using go sub and very quickly you just [TS]

01:23:55   find yourself twenty seven levels of [TS]

01:23:56   conditionals and go tues deep and you're [TS]

01:23:58   like oh I don't want to have to repeat [TS]

01:24:00   all this stuff about uh you know I Drive [TS]

01:24:02   jump back to the part where it was about [TS]

01:24:04   invalid input but then I have to know [TS]

01:24:05   where to jump back to and it was like I [TS]

01:24:07   didn't understand how you could write a [TS]

01:24:09   successful program because I didn't [TS]

01:24:10   understand what sub routines were and [TS]

01:24:11   today I mean maybe that maybe that [TS]

01:24:14   soured being the idea [TS]

01:24:15   programming when I was ten years old and [TS]

01:24:16   that was that was just it but I just [TS]

01:24:18   never came and it was never interested [TS]

01:24:20   in programming it's only when I went to [TS]

01:24:21   college and I took my first class and [TS]

01:24:24   see and they you know they went over the [TS]

01:24:27   c programming i would talked about [TS]

01:24:29   pointers but then I was old enough my [TS]

01:24:31   brain could understand it and I said oh [TS]

01:24:32   I get what programming is now you just [TS]

01:24:35   get the whole Turing machine thing of [TS]

01:24:36   you know just understanding variables [TS]

01:24:38   and addresses and and and functions and [TS]

01:24:42   pointers and just like the whole nine [TS]

01:24:43   yards but still if you'd asked me what [TS]

01:24:45   are you gonna do when you graduate like [TS]

01:24:47   I don't know I'm interested in a bunch [TS]

01:24:48   of things like I had to computer [TS]

01:24:49   engineering specifically because I [TS]

01:24:50   didn't want to take computer science [TS]

01:24:52   because i didn't like programming right [TS]

01:24:53   I took computer engineering so I could [TS]

01:24:55   learn about hardware and stuff so I [TS]

01:24:56   learned about how you know a transistors [TS]

01:24:59   work and how different you know [TS]

01:25:01   microprocessors work and all that stuff [TS]

01:25:02   and I'm very interested in that I was [TS]

01:25:04   very interested in like the Pentium and [TS]

01:25:05   the powerpc and hardware stuff and that [TS]

01:25:07   I think that helped my understanding of [TS]

01:25:08   software but at a certain point in my [TS]

01:25:10   undergraduate life I also learn unix I [TS]

01:25:12   also learned pearl which was like a [TS]

01:25:14   nicer way to get at the U Nork unix [TS]

01:25:15   underpinnings because at that point I [TS]

01:25:16   had been written I'd written tons of C [TS]

01:25:18   programs using like you know raw sockets [TS]

01:25:20   calls and see to write my own demon [TS]

01:25:21   processes and everything and that's a [TS]

01:25:23   pain in your butt right and then pearls [TS]

01:25:24   I go I can you know write a demon that [TS]

01:25:28   listens on sock it's way easier and when [TS]

01:25:30   pearl then I can see why would ever use [TS]

01:25:32   this you think it's practically the same [TS]

01:25:33   pearl is like that capi you've been [TS]

01:25:35   playing with for two months and making [TS]

01:25:38   all these programs you know you do it [TS]

01:25:40   over here and never get a segmentation [TS]

01:25:41   fault again right so I did Pearl and [TS]

01:25:44   there are all these tons and tons huge [TS]

01:25:45   amount of software output an [TS]

01:25:47   undergraduate where I'm writing little [TS]

01:25:48   programs to play games with my friends [TS]

01:25:50   and then writing a whole bunch of [TS]

01:25:52   servers lifts on ports and then the web [TS]

01:25:54   came out and I'm writing my own CGI [TS]

01:25:55   scripts on my own little experimental [TS]

01:25:57   web servers in the whole nine yards by [TS]

01:25:59   the time I graduated I realize I'm [TS]

01:26:00   spending all my free time writing [TS]

01:26:02   software and so when it came time to say [TS]

01:26:04   what are you gonna do for your career [TS]

01:26:05   like at that point I was already [TS]

01:26:07   employed part-time as a web developer [TS]

01:26:09   and like it you know it was clear to me [TS]

01:26:11   despite all my best efforts that what I [TS]

01:26:13   most like to do was write programs [TS]

01:26:14   because what did I do with my time I [TS]

01:26:16   just spent all my time writing programs [TS]

01:26:17   and so that's what I decided to is my [TS]

01:26:20   career and I think that was a good [TS]

01:26:21   choice but nothing in my childhood made [TS]

01:26:23   me think that this would ever be what I [TS]

01:26:24   wanted to do simply because I just [TS]

01:26:25   didn't understand programming was [TS]

01:26:27   never taught it and never learned it i [TS]

01:26:29   think it was i would call myself a late [TS]

01:26:34   bloomer in terms of programming and I [TS]

01:26:35   try to think of like in some ways I like [TS]

01:26:38   it in some ways i like it like my [TS]

01:26:39   childhood was free from the thing that i [TS]

01:26:41   would eventually do as a profession uh [TS]

01:26:43   but on the other hand if i had been like [TS]

01:26:46   most computer nerds and actually finally [TS]

01:26:48   actually gracht programming when i was [TS]

01:26:50   12 instead of just not totally getting [TS]

01:26:51   on those 10 and setting it aside I would [TS]

01:26:54   have written a lot of programs in my [TS]

01:26:56   youth that I didn't terrible programs [TS]

01:26:57   but I would ok so here a couple other [TS]

01:27:02   questions that stop laughs can we go a [TS]

01:27:04   little bit more you can ok let me see [TS]

01:27:09   which one next all right if you could [TS]

01:27:14   change something about yourself what [TS]

01:27:18   would what would you change life span [TS]

01:27:21   that's easy answer some people say they [TS]

01:27:25   don't want to live forever cuz I think [TS]

01:27:26   it would be boring I'm not one of those [TS]

01:27:28   people maybe being immortal would be too [TS]

01:27:31   much but pretty close to it I'd go I'd [TS]

01:27:32   go basically until the earth is [TS]

01:27:35   destroyed if you can set my life span [TS]

01:27:36   right before I birth becomes [TS]

01:27:37   uninhabitable I'd be happy with that you [TS]

01:27:40   wouldn't mind seeing all of your loved [TS]

01:27:42   ones die I always wonder a shins of [TS]

01:27:45   loved ones die I would mind it but that [TS]

01:27:47   that may happen now anyway I mean you [TS]

01:27:49   never know yeah tomorrow will bring you [TS]

01:27:50   know but I would be okay with that [TS]

01:27:52   because I understand that that's just [TS]

01:27:53   something that happens you know it's [TS]

01:27:54   like you just deactivate your motion [TS]

01:27:56   ship but during that time Turner back so [TS]

01:27:58   you know if you have given near [TS]

01:28:01   immortality that's that's the price and [TS]

01:28:03   I would be willing to pay that price [TS]

01:28:04   because I like being alive and healthy [TS]

01:28:07   obviously you don't want to be like live [TS]

01:28:08   and then you know in terrible pain and [TS]

01:28:09   decrepit right yeah is that nothing else [TS]

01:28:13   are you were looking for I I'm happy [TS]

01:28:15   with any answer you give me yeah I don't [TS]

01:28:18   know usually people ask that question [TS]

01:28:20   they like I wish I was taller I wish I [TS]

01:28:21   was more handsome and like most of those [TS]

01:28:23   things a lot of those things where [TS]

01:28:25   people asking about something you don't [TS]

01:28:28   like about yourself that you would [TS]

01:28:30   change I i was saying you're gonna say [TS]

01:28:33   you get rid of your RSI or something but [TS]

01:28:34   i suppose if you would live forever [TS]

01:28:36   eventually the technology will catch up [TS]

01:28:38   to that so you cover that lights [TS]

01:28:40   RSI is a bit like oh that goes to health [TS]

01:28:42   like Brazil I was going to is you know [TS]

01:28:43   health because despite the fact that I [TS]

01:28:46   am generally healthy as i get older i [TS]

01:28:48   get a greater greater appreciation for [TS]

01:28:50   how important your health is and I can [TS]

01:28:51   appreciate being healthy and how just [TS]

01:28:53   terrible it is it right the stupid [TS]

01:28:55   saying if you don't have your health but [TS]

01:28:56   that is that staying will sound stupid [TS]

01:28:58   to you until you're about 30 something [TS]

01:29:00   years old right and that suddenly it [TS]

01:29:01   will not sound stupid okay and then you [TS]

01:29:03   will realize how don't you go before to [TS]

01:29:06   dismiss that saying right and so that's [TS]

01:29:07   what I'm basically asking for because [TS]

01:29:08   all the other things about changing like [TS]

01:29:10   your personality or other parts of [TS]

01:29:12   yourself like that would be changing who [TS]

01:29:13   you are hmm and that would that's one of [TS]

01:29:16   those like cautionary tales where if you [TS]

01:29:18   could be you know ten times more [TS]

01:29:21   personable and funny would you be the [TS]

01:29:23   same person anymore would you feel like [TS]

01:29:25   you're the same person or it's like a [TS]

01:29:27   Twilight Zone episode but you'd ask for [TS]

01:29:28   something then later on the end of the [TS]

01:29:30   episode the person would realize that [TS]

01:29:31   not who they were before and that would [TS]

01:29:33   be sad for the people watching but the [TS]

01:29:34   person who was there wouldn't know it [TS]

01:29:35   yeah I wouldn't I wouldn't ask for this [TS]

01:29:37   too it's too late for me now to be any [TS]

01:29:40   of those anything that I'm not all right [TS]

01:29:45   um-hmm okay here's one for you I think I [TS]

01:29:53   know the answer you can meet anyone [TS]

01:29:55   alive or dead who would it be that's not [TS]

01:30:00   the same as the when the fans ask if you [TS]

01:30:02   ask one person a question I've gotcha in [TS]

01:30:04   colton but if i can made anyone alive or [TS]

01:30:06   dead meet them and and I i will say has [TS]

01:30:10   spend a day with him yeah in a way that [TS]

01:30:12   they would they would it wouldn't be [TS]

01:30:14   like a day and they'd be like all right [TS]

01:30:16   you know i got meetings but like a day [TS]

01:30:17   where you would have quality time and [TS]

01:30:19   they would reciprocate your interest [TS]

01:30:20   would they go back to being dead after [TS]

01:30:22   that word afterwards just like an AI [TS]

01:30:24   know i mean i'm gonna go with the [TS]

01:30:27   obvious answer that you think i'm gonna [TS]

01:30:30   say so i would pick steve jobs i guess [TS]

01:30:32   yeah and the thing is I it the I at the [TS]

01:30:35   end of that I would expect to be angry [TS]

01:30:37   and disappointed but I would have to do [TS]

01:30:38   it like that's that's the answer if I'd [TS]

01:30:40   bring them back to life I'd spend a day [TS]

01:30:43   talking with them most likely yelling at [TS]

01:30:44   him because like despite all that I read [TS]

01:30:48   and know about this person he's a [TS]

01:30:49   fascinating character who I still feel [TS]

01:30:51   like I don't really really know [TS]

01:30:54   one of those people where it seems like [TS]

01:30:56   there was a private side of him that [TS]

01:30:58   even the people who are close to him [TS]

01:31:01   didn't you know maybe his wife and his [TS]

01:31:03   really closest friends were but [TS]

01:31:05   certainly not just random Joe Mackey oh [TS]

01:31:07   there's no about so yep that's so epic [TS]

01:31:09   oh yeah I wanted I would want him to [TS]

01:31:12   stay a lot of effort because I don't [TS]

01:31:13   want to yell at him about Apple and then [TS]

01:31:15   have him go have me convinced him with [TS]

01:31:17   my you know my constant harang bring him [TS]

01:31:21   around to my side of thinking and then [TS]

01:31:22   see that play out in changes to Apple [TS]

01:31:25   but it was gonna go back to being dead [TS]

01:31:26   that kind of put the damper on that okay [TS]

01:31:27   so speaking of being dead and dying if [TS]

01:31:31   you were to die and you could come back [TS]

01:31:33   as any person or thing what would it be [TS]

01:31:37   as any person person or thing you could [TS]

01:31:42   be a building you'd be a tree Gandhi you [TS]

01:31:45   actually can't be a tree or a person no [TS]

01:31:47   yes in this you could I wouldn't want to [TS]

01:31:50   come back as an inanimate object because [TS]

01:31:52   that doesn't like any fun ah I come back [TS]

01:31:56   as a person yeah I don't I don't think [TS]

01:31:59   there's any specific person is the [TS]

01:32:00   problem the people that we all know [TS]

01:32:01   you're expecting you to name a name that [TS]

01:32:03   the other people what like a I'm [TS]

01:32:05   wondering if there's like a certain life [TS]

01:32:07   that you would have liked would you want [TS]

01:32:09   to be Evel Knievel or something you know [TS]

01:32:10   have fun so I'm thinking of like some [TS]

01:32:13   kind of the idea anyone who lives in [TS]

01:32:16   like a city type culture would want to [TS]

01:32:18   come back as some like oh you know [TS]

01:32:20   someone who lives who lives in tune with [TS]

01:32:22   nature and lives off the land it has [TS]

01:32:24   never touched by all the bad things [TS]

01:32:25   about civilization and just leaves a [TS]

01:32:27   happy contented life yeah you know with [TS]

01:32:32   nature and a family in a small community [TS]

01:32:34   I don't know if that still exists on the [TS]

01:32:35   earth anymore it seems like every person [TS]

01:32:37   in every society every where somehow [TS]

01:32:39   touched in a bad way by modern society [TS]

01:32:41   and so maybe it's better to be in uh you [TS]

01:32:44   know so I I would probably have to pick [TS]

01:32:46   I would just come back as someone who [TS]

01:32:47   didn't have to worry about money because [TS]

01:32:48   my current concern as a person that I am [TS]

01:32:51   is worrying about you know security and [TS]

01:32:53   lost in whatever and for all the [TS]

01:32:55   downsides of being rich like her without [TS]

01:32:56   money doesn't make you happy and there's [TS]

01:32:58   many bad things that come with money and [TS]

01:32:59   you'd have a terrible childhood and your [TS]

01:33:01   parents would be all screwed up like we [TS]

01:33:02   all know the the anti-patterns are being [TS]

01:33:05   rich we see it in movies you read about [TS]

01:33:06   it we see [TS]

01:33:07   life like terrible things can happen to [TS]

01:33:08   rich people but there are also people [TS]

01:33:11   who were born rich and die rich and who [TS]

01:33:12   are perfectly nice well-adjusted happy [TS]

01:33:15   people so it's hard to say because if [TS]

01:33:19   you come back to the new person I [TS]

01:33:20   wouldn't have the same hang-ups that I [TS]

01:33:21   have now but assuming I had similar [TS]

01:33:22   hangups like that's you know you're [TS]

01:33:24   always asking for the life that's [TS]

01:33:26   different than the one you have now I [TS]

01:33:27   would I would come back as someone who [TS]

01:33:29   who doesn't have to worry about the [TS]

01:33:32   things that I'm most concerned about now [TS]

01:33:33   so I'd come back as a rich person ok I [TS]

01:33:37   have why I have one more question uh but [TS]

01:33:41   I I thought of an extra one then I put [TS]

01:33:44   it to the chat room and they they seem [TS]

01:33:47   to be slightly in favor of me asking the [TS]

01:33:50   second to last question and that is I [TS]

01:33:53   know that now you're getting really [TS]

01:33:55   interested in comics thanks to Merlin [TS]

01:33:57   you starting to really read not really i [TS]

01:33:59   I'm still only like partially into the [TS]

01:34:02   few issues a the first issue of the [TS]

01:34:05   comics that he sent me ok what [TS]

01:34:07   superpower would you have in why ah this [TS]

01:34:13   is very telling we were kind of already [TS]

01:34:15   answered that like is it the Amir Amir [TS]

01:34:18   immortality countess I mean I goes like [TS]

01:34:21   I would go with basically Superman's [TS]

01:34:22   invulnerability like I wouldn't pick his [TS]

01:34:24   flight it wouldn't take the heat vision [TS]

01:34:26   I wouldn't pitch to pick the blowing [TS]

01:34:27   stuff to freeze it and you know I would [TS]

01:34:29   go with the fact like basically nothing [TS]

01:34:31   can besides kryptonite uh can't hurt him [TS]

01:34:35   and presumably that leaves I don't know [TS]

01:34:36   the canyons us presumably that leaves a [TS]

01:34:38   very long life like if he can't if he's [TS]

01:34:40   involved well I guess he still ages but [TS]

01:34:41   he goes from a teenager to an adult he [TS]

01:34:43   seems to age and he's just kind of hits [TS]

01:34:44   you hit like a point you hit like [TS]

01:34:47   maximum handsomeness and you just stay [TS]

01:34:48   there what about regeneration like [TS]

01:34:50   Wolverine has like no then you got to [TS]

01:34:52   keep getting hurt and then it grows back [TS]

01:34:53   like Superman is just invulnerable so I [TS]

01:34:55   pick and vulnerability basically okay [TS]

01:34:57   that's that's my superb our choice not [TS]

01:34:59   bad alright here's my last question [TS]

01:35:01   alright this is because you know we have [TS]

01:35:04   a lot of young listeners what kind of [TS]

01:35:08   rising as far as I know what kind of [TS]

01:35:10   advice would you like to give to young [TS]

01:35:12   person who's just starting out who's [TS]

01:35:14   been listening to this show who says I [TS]

01:35:16   want to be just like John [TS]

01:35:19   or just advice in general what you might [TS]

01:35:21   impart to your own kids people love that [TS]

01:35:25   the people who are grown up maybe could [TS]

01:35:27   benefit from what kind of advice do you [TS]

01:35:28   have for listeners uh for kids I would [TS]

01:35:31   say don't try to be just like any one [TS]

01:35:33   person because the you know the odds of [TS]

01:35:36   you being so similar to that person that [TS]

01:35:39   you would be equally happy with that [TS]

01:35:42   person's life are very slim right so [TS]

01:35:44   there may be aspects of a person or [TS]

01:35:48   their life that you admire like some [TS]

01:35:49   people might say I want to be just like [TS]

01:35:50   steve jobs but I know enough about Steve [TS]

01:35:53   Jobs to know that I would never want to [TS]

01:35:54   be just like steve jobs because a lot of [TS]

01:35:55   his life was filled with you know misery [TS]

01:35:57   and pain of his own doing i just had [TS]

01:35:59   said that i would like to come back as a [TS]

01:36:00   rich person but i would assume that i [TS]

01:36:02   would be able to handle it Britain [TS]

01:36:03   Steve's jobs niggas is his life was just [TS]

01:36:06   filled with problems personal problems [TS]

01:36:08   and you know how even just corporate [TS]

01:36:10   problems and problems with his job and [TS]

01:36:11   getting kicked out of the company that [TS]

01:36:13   he founded and you know the whole nine [TS]

01:36:15   yards so don't don't you know don't try [TS]

01:36:19   to be like someone that you admire just [TS]

01:36:20   to think about the things that you [TS]

01:36:22   admire about that person and then [TS]

01:36:23   harness them to do whatever it is you [TS]

01:36:24   want to do like it's the the end of my [TS]

01:36:27   hypercritical articled ARS technica i [TS]

01:36:29   have a little parenthetical thing about [TS]

01:36:30   it yeah Steve Jobs always wanting to [TS]

01:36:33   make things just so & poor's entire self [TS]

01:36:37   into them and make the greatest thing [TS]

01:36:39   ever and I said you know you can do that [TS]

01:36:42   in your everyday life like that's the [TS]

01:36:44   thing you may admire about Steve Jobs [TS]

01:36:45   like boy he really cared about making [TS]

01:36:46   the imac really awesome or the iPhone or [TS]

01:36:48   whatever anyporn himself into oh you can [TS]

01:36:50   do that with anything so you can say [TS]

01:36:52   that i am the Steve Jobs of this [TS]

01:36:53   sandwich I'm going to make I am the [TS]

01:36:55   person solely in charge of the sandwich [TS]

01:36:57   and it's going to be insanely great [TS]

01:36:58   right just for making the sandwich for [TS]

01:37:01   yourself right you know I writ small and [TS]

01:37:04   then larger is if you are totally into [TS]

01:37:06   making horse paintings make the most [TS]

01:37:08   insanely great horse paintings that you [TS]

01:37:10   could possibly ever mentioned it's not [TS]

01:37:11   you being like steve jobs because he [TS]

01:37:13   wasn't into horse painting at all and [TS]

01:37:14   maybe the things you need to do awesome [TS]

01:37:17   hort paint horse paintings are totally [TS]

01:37:18   different than ah the things you need to [TS]

01:37:21   run a successful tech company but you [TS]

01:37:23   know pick the things that you at you [TS]

01:37:25   aspects of the people that you admire [TS]

01:37:27   and apply them to whether it is that you [TS]

01:37:29   actually want to do so whatever it is [TS]

01:37:30   that you admire about me or the podcast [TS]

01:37:33   or whatever decide how any of those [TS]

01:37:34   things can be applied to your life to [TS]

01:37:36   make what you want to do better don't [TS]

01:37:38   try to do the same things that I did I [TS]

01:37:39   do the things that you want to do I [TS]

01:37:41   don't think it I would say do know those [TS]

01:37:44   people should not model their their [TS]

01:37:46   lives after me cuz my life is pretty I I [TS]

01:37:49   think it's more aspirational for people [TS]

01:37:50   to mother lives after you or Marco or [TS]

01:37:52   someone like that where that mean it's [TS]

01:37:54   very least that's more know like more [TS]

01:37:57   Hollywood more like people aspire to do [TS]

01:38:00   the amazing thing they don't feel like [TS]

01:38:01   they can do like go off on their own not [TS]

01:38:03   have a boss do their own thing uh I mean [TS]

01:38:06   I I admire that as well I just know I'm [TS]

01:38:09   just true to myself and understand like [TS]

01:38:11   that I would not be happy doing that [TS]

01:38:12   despite how how attractive it is in the [TS]

01:38:15   abstract so I guess it's the other [TS]

01:38:17   lesson is separate what you find [TS]

01:38:19   admirable from what you would actually [TS]

01:38:20   enjoy doing because you may you may find [TS]

01:38:23   the destination to be awesome like so I [TS]

01:38:25   want to be like Marco and like beemo and [TS]

01:38:27   Boston have a hit iOS product but maybe [TS]

01:38:30   you don't like what you have to do to [TS]

01:38:32   get to that point right you know talk to [TS]

01:38:34   eight thousand other iOS developers and [TS]

01:38:36   see how they're doing it and just talk [TS]

01:38:37   to Marco about like what he did to get [TS]

01:38:39   there and what what the work entails on [TS]

01:38:41   a day to day basis and maybe that's not [TS]

01:38:43   what you like maybe you just like the [TS]

01:38:44   destination and not the journey I don't [TS]

01:38:47   know I'm probably babbling at this point [TS]

01:38:48   so I don't know I don't have any I don't [TS]

01:38:51   have any good solid advice for young [TS]

01:38:53   listeners listen to me except for to not [TS]

01:38:55   try to emulate any other specific person [TS]

01:38:59   and just you know think about analyze [TS]

01:39:02   the things you admire about them and [TS]

01:39:03   find the ones that are applicable to [TS]

01:39:05   your life and then go with that it's a [TS]

01:39:10   good answer that's all all my questions [TS]

01:39:12   man we did a damn 100 episodes hundred [TS]

01:39:15   episodes didn't think we'd make it but [TS]

01:39:18   we did [TS]

01:39:20   oh I knew we'd make that's it that's it [TS]

01:39:25   we're done we are done so you can uh you [TS]

01:39:30   can follow John on Twitter siracusa s [TS]

01:39:34   IRA see you SI nosy and i can follow me [TS]

01:39:40   on twitter i'm dan benjamin you can [TS]

01:39:41   follow the hypercritical account on [TS]

01:39:43   Twitter and you have a website you have [TS]

01:39:46   a blog that you are writing that what's [TS]

01:39:48   the URL for that that's hypercritical [TS]

01:39:50   dot co-vary because i couldn't get it [TS]

01:39:54   who cares i ce o--'s betterment someday [TS]

01:39:56   I may have a dot-com Patil just redirect [TS]

01:39:58   so don't worry about less typing and you [TS]

01:40:01   can you can still follow up if you want [TS]

01:40:03   with us by going to the contact form [TS]

01:40:05   five by five let t be such contacts line [TS]

01:40:07   and on that page you can pick [TS]

01:40:09   hypercritical i won't take that all [TS]

01:40:10   that'll stick around say what they can [TS]

01:40:13   still you can still email john he'll [TS]

01:40:14   have no forum like this to respond but [TS]

01:40:17   who knows he you may reply but you still [TS]

01:40:19   you're gonna read every email right I [TS]

01:40:21   will I always read every email I'm a [TS]

01:40:23   reply by email I'm a this not having a [TS]

01:40:27   podcast to complain about things may [TS]

01:40:29   motivate me to blog or maybe it won't I [TS]

01:40:31   don't know we'll see but yeah keep [TS]

01:40:33   following the hypocritical account and [TS]

01:40:34   if I do anything else you'll see it and [TS]

01:40:36   of course i'll be on the incomparable [TS]

01:40:38   and guesting another various podcast at [TS]

01:40:40   various time so you know you'll find me [TS]

01:40:42   i'll be out there all right Jen well [TS]

01:40:45   thanks for awesome 100 episodes thank [TS]

01:40:49   you Dan take care I [TS]

01:40:59   you [TS]