Hypercritical

00:00:00 ◼   ► you're not supposed to argue with me our [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► own myself this is hypercritical the [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► weekly talk show ruminating on exactly [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► what is wrong in the world of Apple and [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► related technologies and businesses [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► nothing is so perfect that can't be [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► complained about by my friend and yours [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► John siracusa I'm Dan Benjamin today is [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► Friday December 28th 2012 this is [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► episode number 100 this is our final [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► episode this is the very last episode of [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► hypercritical we would like to thank our [TS]

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00:00:50 ◼   ► well here we are last lab very last [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► episode hundred of hundred episodes [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► after this one will be in the king [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► that's true not a hundred episodes with [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► me but 100 episodes in the feed was [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► there only only one without you may be [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► 22 well you didn't let us put the one in [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► the first one in but there was something [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► in the feed with that number there was [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► just your public service and 0 elsewhere [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► correct correct alright episode 100 the [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► final episode I've got a couple things [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► planned for this episode but they're not [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► gonna take too much time I think so [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► people who are hoping for an eight hour [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► final episode will be disappointed which [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► is appropriate i think to be [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► disappointed to disappoint dear your [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► audience I'm the final episode yes I [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► think they're already disappointed [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► enough that you're not doing the show [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► anymore there you go so that's what I'm [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► saying if it's been a theme you just [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► continue the wave yeah so we're gonna [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► have a little bit of follow-up then I'm [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► going to have my main topic for this [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► show which is not very long and then [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► we're going to end up with you asking me [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► your questions okay for as long as you [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► want to do that so like if I wanted to [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► ask an hour two hours were the questions [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► you're up with you're up for that well [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► you'll be exhausted but [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► you can't it people were asking that if [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► you were going to filibuster me I don't [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► know quite how that would work but yeah [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► I would recommend against that but you [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► know I said last week yeah you already [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► have your questions repaired you said [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► and I said to come up with one that you [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► think would be a reasonable way to end [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► the show and then I will flub it by [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► giving a lame answer and then that will [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► be it so do you thinks I'm like a plan [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► that sounds like a good plan i remember [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► the last time that i was permitted to [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► ascii questions was for an episode of [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► the pipeline where i interviewed you in [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► a way that that show is a little bit [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► that episode was a little bit like the [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► predecessor to this whole this whole [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► show that plus the gabe newell [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► conversation episode you were on I was [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► like come on do a show there you go and [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► then that was this so there you my [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► question is my questions by the way just [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► a little teaser mm-hmm aren't gonna have [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► nothing to do with technology nothing to [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► do with your mac pro or the amount of [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► RAM in it or tonight is or anything like [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► that that you're all personal there you [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► go what makes siracusa tick all right so [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► let us start for the first time for the [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► last time with follow up last episode I [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► discussed the wii u that you were so [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► kind to send me that we've been playing [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► that my son has been playing non-stop [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► since they came here and I said that [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► once I got it and transferred my stuff [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► over to it I realized after transferring [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► my stuff that I wouldn't be able to play [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► mario 64 with the gamecube controller [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► anymore because now mario 64 is over on [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► the wii u and the wii u doesn't support [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► a gamecube controller a bunch of people [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► sent me the links to people modding [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► controllers which is apparently a [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► burgeoning field i know they sell like [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► adapters and most lots of other things [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► like that but some people sort of have a [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► do-it-yourself type mindset well they [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► will take a dremel tool to a bunch of [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► controllers and try to make sort of a [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► frankan controller and one popular theme [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► is taking various controllers and wiring [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► them up to the bottom of a wii remote [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► the links i put in the show note show [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► notes about this are about someone [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► modding be a wee classic controller [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► remember that thing it's not the Wii U [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► pro yeah yeah similar yeah two analog [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► sticks d-pad buttons and like little [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► kind of horn type handles on it and so [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► what this guy did is open that thing up [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► chopped out the the printed circuit [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► board part of it mm-hm and then take a [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► gamecube controller and pull out its [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► guts and then take the chopped up [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► classic controller circuit board put it [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► inside the gamecube controller and then [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► a wire all of the controls on the [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► gamecube controller to the printed [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► circuit board actually solder it on [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► there to the printed circuit board from [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► the classic controller so it's basically [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► a classic controller as far as the wii [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► is concerned but all the controls [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► instead of being hooked up to the [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► thumbsticks on the classic controller [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► the hooked up to the thumbsticks on on [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► the gamecube controller and all the [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► buttons and so on and so forth it's [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► amazing that actually works but i guess [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► you know it's all nintendo all on the [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► family and all the buttons and switches [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► and analog sticks and similar signals [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► and so it ends up working of course this [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► is not a it is a do-it-yourself job if [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► you are very comfortable with soldering [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► and it's not super precise like micro [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► soldering but it's precise enough that [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► lots of contacts have to be soldered [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► very close to each other and you have to [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► you know be careful iming it's not [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► something that I would want to try [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► myself but apparently people do this and [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► then they sell their handiwork so this [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► is a reddit thread where someone posted [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► pictures and then also a link to a forum [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► thread where the person shows the [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► step-by-step things I tried to find this [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► presses name they can only come up with [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► uh or is it gum oh yeah good old gum [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► oped Gummo and then i read it he's gum [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► owned no and there's i also put a link [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► into one of the various adapters which [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► is the re the wii retro pad adapter to [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► that this is another wee thing not a way [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► you think but it lets you connect again [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► to the bottom where we mode and then [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► have another plug that into which you [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► plug an adapter cable where you can have [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► all sorts of control nes SNES [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► playstation playstation 2 gamecube [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► nintendo 64 Neo Geo CD and Sega Saturn [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► all those controllers you can use making [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► them look like classic controllers to [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► the way I'm assuming all the same things [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► either [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► already work with the wii u or similar [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► hacks will come out and work with wii u [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► so there's hope for anybody who wants to [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► play any sort of game with their console [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► using a classic controller any things [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► are pretty cheap tillich adapters like [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► 25 bucks and the extension cables like [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► 10 bucks for all of them so it's a [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► market by hobbyists for obvious and also [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► that some of these adapter things they [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► provide like the plans for you to make [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► your own so if you don't want to buy one [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► from this guy and you just want to do it [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► yourself you can buy all the parts [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► yourself and assemble them and solder [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► them together and everything pretty neat [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► alright next bit of follow-up is from [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► Jesse lane he was the first person to [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► successfully save me from myself when it [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► comes to mac address filtering on my [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► wireless network I shall talked about my [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► difficulties and setting up new devices [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► with because I have mac address [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► filtering on my home network and a lot [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► of devices don't show you the mac [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► address at the point where i would need [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► it they just want you to get on the [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► network and before you're allowed to see [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► what the mac addresses which is [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► frustrating so a lot of people responded [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► and tweets an email saying you shouldn't [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► do mac address filtering it's dumb and [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► that's not it's not helpful because the [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► show i explained you know you said water [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► here yeah here's why I do it and then I [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► said if anyone can tell me why the [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► reasons that I do it don't make any [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► sense by all means do so but just [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► telling me it's dumb doesn't tell me [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► that you know you're you know so to [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► review i was saying i did the mac [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► address filtering not because i thought [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► it was impossible like the tiger was a [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► security barrier because anybody can [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► pretend to have any mac address they [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► want that's simple right my idea was [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► that so fine someone looks at my network [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► and sees the mac addresses of some [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► devices that are on it says okay i'm [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► going to spoof that mac address my [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► assumption was that that person would [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► have a bad experience using my network [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► because if he's trying to use a mac [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► address that is the same as another [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► device on the network the two would [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► conflict with each other and it will [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► make that person said and you know [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► things won't work right so and people [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► who didn't address that it says you [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► shouldn't do mac address filtering it's [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► it's pointless you shouldn't do it you [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► know they never gave me a reason they [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► never acknowledge that they heard what i [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► was saying he said you know people can [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► spoof a maggot as well yeah of course I [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► said that on the show [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► sometimes it just doesn't fit in 140 [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► characters if it's a tweet or something [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► but Jesse Lane was the first person to [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► fried an actual explanation to show you [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► listen to the show he said I'm a [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► security professional that has done a [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► fair bit of work and wireless he says he [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► doesn't think mac address filtering news [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► worth do anymore he confirms that yes [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► even if you have a wpa2 network or [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► whatever all the MAC addresses of course [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► are visible because that's a layer 2 [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► thing so and it's trivial to spoof MAC [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► address like I said on the show which [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► acknowledged and he said it's incorrect [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► to assume that the person stealing your [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► mac address will have a bad experience [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► because the two conflicting MAC [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► addresses the network what will happen [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► he says is the traffic will go to the [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► whichever MAC address most recently [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► responded to an ARP request so the [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► malicious person on the network just can [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► send what he calls gratuitous arps to [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► say oh I'm the one who has that IP [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► address i'm a bit mac address and that [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► will effectively prevent your legitimate [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► house from ever getting a chance to talk [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► i put a link in the show notes to arp [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► address resolution protocol you can look [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► up what that is but basically once [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► someone gets your mac address and spoofs [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► it they can very quickly flood the [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► network with with gratuitous arp [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► responses saying oh I'm you know I'm the [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► guy with that mac address I'm over here [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► and it's this IP address so just keep [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► doing that and the other device since [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► it's not malicious and not trying to [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► steal it's you know steal an address [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► will never get any more packets and [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► we'll just sort of sit there and be sad [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► uh so and he says okay even without [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► gratuitous arp sees had to be easy to [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► just watch my network and select a mac [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► address of a client that's not used very [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► often ah like that's that's less likely [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► because most of my devices that are on [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► the Wi-Fi on all the time but uh that's [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► worth pointing out to and he says most [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► importantly wpa2 is very strong [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► encryption and he compares putting the [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► mac address filtering on it's a bit like [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► locking the latch hook on on a screen [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► door when you have a reinforced steel [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► security door right behind it so his [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► advice is to just use wpa two with a [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► long good password and turn off mac [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► filter and that's what i did so i am now [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► mac address filtering free on my home [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► wireless network and the last bit of my [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► defense is that this is one of those [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► things where you have to reevaluate [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► stuff as time going on because i put the [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► mac address filtering back when I had [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► you know [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► WEP when when the security was a joke [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► right long long ago and just never [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► turned it off I just kept it on because [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► through a series of apple airport uh [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► wireless things that it keeps importing [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► my setting and I just never turned it [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► off there well you know it was a good [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► thing to have on when you know the head [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► web security that was easy to break was [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► just one extra layer of you know one [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► more hurdle for hackers to overcome not [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► a particularly high hurdle but you know [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► I just want to make it difficult but at [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► this point it is now completely moved [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► and I have turned off negative shall [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► drink so thank you to Jesse lane let [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► that be a lesson to anyone else out [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► there who's doing that guy dress [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► filtering on their network although it [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► seems like I may be the only one in the [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► entire world all right and the final [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► piece of follow-up a lot of people in [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► posting retrospectives about the show [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► yeah there's been a bunch of really cool [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► things going on yeah they make their own [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► like uh you know supercuts will go cut [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► together the favorite parts of the show [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► in audio form some of them are like a [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► five minutes worth of fun Clips some of [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► them are 20 minute long things I've been [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► reading them listening to them thanks to [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► everyone who made one that's a lot of [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► work to go through so it does uh you [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► were recognized as a true fan but one in [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► particular stuck out and this was by [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► jonathan man who for the longest time I [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► just assumed was related Merlin man like [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► cuz doesn't it if Merlin mad had like a [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► younger brother don't you think it would [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► be Jonathan man I you know that they do [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► have some things in common I and I guess [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► all right the musical stuff and like he [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► just went a different direction in his [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► life and sort of Merlin you know did the [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► music thing but then kind of went in a [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► different direction and his younger [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► brother was kind of following his [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► footsteps and doing music thing and sort [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► of went whole hog with it right this is [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► sort of younger and more more energetic [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► and vibrant still you know doesn't have [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► those deep furrows his face huh anyway [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► there is actually no relation as far as [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► I know between Jonathan Mann Maryland [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► man but Jonathan Mann his description of [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► his self is I'm a musician and a [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► songwriter best known for writing a song [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► a day mm-hmm he's been added for over [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► 1400 days straight and he's got an album [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► called song a day the album that you can [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► buy a pen leaked in the show notes he [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► literally write the song every day uh [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► and he made a song for me he did I I [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► have song [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► number 1450 that's right a nice even [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► number 2 i'm i was very that that alone [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► should have made you happy that it ended [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► in it it ended in a zero yes it did and [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► so it's youtube video you can watch the [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► video of him singing on the song i [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► wanted to well I wanted to have we [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► haven't cleared this with him but would [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► you shall we play it now I've got a cute [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► up and ready to go should we play it now [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► should we play it do you know on and the [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► intro outro of the show or I don't like [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► to play the whole song is this long and [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► I want people to have to go to two [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► minutes 18 seconds it's a tribute to you [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► it's not about a lot two minutes what [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► does the chat room think i'll give the [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► chat room a WoW chance to weigh in [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► should we play the song on the air or [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► not well I answer that i'm going to say [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► a few more things about the song so uh [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► trill they're gone nuts in the chat room [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► look at this everyone wants to hear it I [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► don't know wants to hear it well this is [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► the most response i've ever seen from [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► those jackals all right let me just say [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► bye for the last few things about the [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► song so well listen to the song i [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► thought i was great and everything but [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► there were a couple of mistakes in the [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► song starting with when he posted the [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► video to their mistakes in this song you [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► get a point out yes but starting when he [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► posted with youtube it's called you know [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► hypercritical song of the day number Oh [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► 1450 and hypercritical is misspelled [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► isn't missing I he forgotten I between [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► the TMC right and so right away I'm [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► suspicious right and then if you look at [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► the song lyrics Emily here in a second [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► he mentions that I have three kids but I [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► don't have three kids I only have two [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► and when he says the name of apples [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► desktop operating system he says OS X [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► instead of always 10 and sound like hmm [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► so I figured well you know I should at [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► least reply to this to you know I [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► replied to my Twitter I said you know [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► just so you're not disappoint to hear [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► the corrections for the song and I [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► couldn't tell if it was like you know [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► doing intentionally not in he responded [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► he said oops sorry I thought you had [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► three kids or whatever and I said just [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► just pretend it was intentional because [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► isn't that perfect like you would do the [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► song and intentionally put a bunch of [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► mistakes in that way yeah you know it's [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► like just to give you something to say [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► so we are retconning it and saying all [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► the mistakes in this song are totally [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► intentional [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► song and we're not going to acknowledge [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► the jonathan actually made any mistakes [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► in the posting or creation of the song [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► alright so the chat room has spoken they [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► desperately wanted to hear this role to [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► 12 as they say man okay when your soup [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► power is criticism will your options [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► they're limited and you gotta watch what [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► you say oh you say it too I love a man [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► who's hot critical it makes complicated [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► things understandable from toaster ovens [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► too close to the metal he's hyper [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► critical John siracusa is so [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► hypocritical dropping knowledge you can [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► use up [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► powerful he tears apart technology [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► walter isaacson so specific with the [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► wife he likes the fancy things are done [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► or will fall him from the beginning he [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► didn't know what he had to say until he [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► said it and how he's moving on now he's [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► moving on [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► after one hundred episode he's calling [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► equipped for he explodes no more [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► follow-up [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► no more epigrams John siracusa you so [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► hyper critical [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► he's a man I [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► criticize my soul he sees wrapped in the [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► heart of things perfection is his cry [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► his podcast makes me wanna say handsome [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► and why 21 nerd salute salute 21 nerd [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► salute you're a pig OSX astute and now [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► let's just make sovereign who 20 wonder [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► high five high five 21 high five you got [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► three kids and a beautiful white you [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► live in the king nerd highlight John [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► siracusa is so hypocritical he's a man I [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► not refuse out and criticized my soul he [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► sees right to the heart of things [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► perfection is his try podcast makes me [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► want to sing answered him by him [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► and by I'll miss you dude you know what [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► he says at the end of that I'll miss you [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► doing it what I think he absolutely [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► means it it's very it's very sweet very [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► nice song did you cry when you listen to [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► it but not I did alright well there you [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► go what things people said about the [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► show is they're surprised that so many [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► words rhyme with my last night I just [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► called good songwriting yeah that's [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► that's called Jonathan man's the freakin [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► genius yeah and what one of the people [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► in the the chatroom said don't play it [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► as always x boobs yeah so i think that's [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► that's just perfect mistakes and all [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► which we're totally intentional as we [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► noted and so if you like the kind of [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► thing check out Jonathan man's other [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► music and his album that is my last bit [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► of follow-up well that is the end of [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► follow-up then forever I sure yeah yeah [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► Bob exists whether we're here or not Dan [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► oh it's like if there's follow up and no [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► one around to hear it this is a sty exam [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► now you're getting it yeah so under [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► sponsor before we dive into the main [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► topic yeah I can compose myself a little [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► bit yeah that's right dry tries hanky [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► mailchimp commies email newsletters and [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► you know it's only fitting it's only [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► fitting that mailchimp is one of the [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► sponsors because they are [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► longest-running sponsor maybe one of our [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► very first sponsors sponsored this show [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► more than probably any other one they do [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► email newsletters they help you design [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► email newsletters they help you share [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► them on social networks we use them to [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► send the frequency newsletter and if you [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► want to see how easy it is to integrate [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► their stuff with your stuff go to the [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► frequency co and then you can see our [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► little newsletter signup right there the [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► same thing on 5 by 5 / newsletter they [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► help you match it to your brand you can [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► integrate it with Facebook you can even [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► import an existing list into mailchimp [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► no matter how it's formatted you can [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► personalize everything your subscribers [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► see you name it there's never been a [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► better time to try them out 2,000 [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► subscribers and you can send twelve [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► thousand emails per mon [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► forever for free you want to I want to [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► support five by five and give John a [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► nice send-off MailChimp calm / 5 by 5 to [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► learn more now we do have one little [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► little bit of follow-up that you did not [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► note note yet but that we should mention [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► all right the hypercritical t-shirts oh [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► yes yes it was decided that it will just [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► be hypercritical in the stylized text [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► that goes along with the artwork for the [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► show that was decided both by you and [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► the obviously audience supported you so [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► we'll be doing those t-shirts in the [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► think the first week of the year the [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► first week of January which actually is [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► next week and that will be we will we're [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► going to pick a color you will approve [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► it people have also asked for mugs as [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► well we'll have a separate run of mugs [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► that will not be part of this just [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► because the shipping and the thing and [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► it's probably gonna be easier but i [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► don't know maybe we'll combine them if I [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► can it's logistics john it's going to be [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► on the mug then same thing as a shirts I [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► think I think the mugs could be the same [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► thing as a shirt because you've approved [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► it what do you think he wants not that's [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► fine with me I mean lots of people who [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► are requesting like people who were on [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► the short end of the shirt survey now [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► we're trying to get Redemption well you [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► know I was outvoted by the other people [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► for the shirt but can I get whatever was [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► my favorite on the mug and I don't know [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► if people have different opinions in the [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► mugs but anyway I'm perfectly fine with [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► the name of the show just like on the [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► shirt being on the mug if you want to go [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► whole hog and have a separate survey for [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► mugs you can do that but you know I [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► don't you know I don't think that's [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► necessary but it's up to you okay but [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► David so the best way to keep up to date [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► since there won't be another episode of [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► hyper critical to listen to to get [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► information about it I think the best [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► way to find out about it would be to [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► follow five-by-five on twitter where I [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► will tweet about it will probably do a [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► blog post on blog five by five that TV [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► at some point but obviously you could [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► listen to the frequency where we do the [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► news but if that's too much of a [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► commitment then just follow five by five [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► on Twitter and we'll tweet about it and [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► we'll have a link to it from the website [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► as well and I'll tweet about it from my [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► account for sure siracusa and also from [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► the hypercritical account [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► so if you for all any of those accounts [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► I there will be treated or retweeted on [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► you know you'll find out about it rest [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► assured we will not but you uh miss this [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► I I guess maybe some people like don't [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► follow everything in Twitter but the [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► five by five announcement county there's [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► allow you yeah well that was gonna say [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► compared to what you do on hypercritical [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► may be hypercritical yeah Laura's volume [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► so like even if you're if you do you [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► think oh that i missed we just go to [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► twitter.com / hypercritical and just [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► look to the last ten tweets for [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► something that has to do with shirts you [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► mean it's not high volume on my account [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► so you'll you'll see the announcement [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► all right we're ready for the main topic [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► I'm ready ah this like I said I think [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► this will be a short main topic but you [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► know that's it is what it is and then [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► after that we'll do the Q&A ah so I was [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► kind of heartened to see that so many [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► fans of the show correctly guessed what [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► the topic for the final show would be I [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► tried not to confirm to any of them that [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► they were getting it right but it made [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► me feel like I was along the I was on [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► the right track the fact that so many [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► people said that they thought this about [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► you last episode be now maybe some of [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► them were joking maybe a lot of them are [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► joking maybe all of them were joking [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► because there were certainly jokes about [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► with the last episode be about or [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► they'll you know be indefinite and would [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► go on forever and all sorts of other [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► things but I'd like to believe that in [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► their heart of hearts that they knew [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► that their guest was true the people who [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► are actually correct can you then guess [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► what the final topic is going to be I've [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► intentionally not looked at any of the [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► predictions I have intentionally stayed [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► as far away from whatever the you know [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► the predictions of this would be because [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► I wanted to I wanted to you know be [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► surprised as I am every week being [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► surprised so no and I haven't and I've [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► intentionally not thought about it at [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► all i've tried not to think about it i [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► want to come into this completely fresh [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► and an open-minded beginner's mind as we [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► saw i was about to say beginner's mind [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► seven a mind-meld here's right welcome [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► mind well don't jump in before i can [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► mock you with your own sayings all right [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► yeah that's beginner's mind all right so [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► I hope when I say this it will make [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► sense to the final topic for the final [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► hypocrite of episode is what is wrong [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► with the hypocritical podcast that's the [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► that's perfect so much wrong with it how [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► could it be how could the topic be [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► anything else yes this is perfect [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► because you know that's how you that's [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► how you ended we're gonna take a look at [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► this podcast of which there have been [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► 100 episodes is 98 of which were [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► featuring me ah and what what's wrong [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► what's wrong with this thing will you [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► focus on the 98 that included you and [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► technically can you criticize the show [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► that is happening right now can you [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► criticize this episode is that like what [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► what I have to say will apply to this [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► episode as well okay because what I'm [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► gonna suggest and I think you know [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► what's coming is that we have a [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► follow-up show she criticized this [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► episode I strident look I just want to [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► put that out there and I mean you're [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► gonna have to run with it alright so I [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► got I've got a small number of items [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► here and of course since I'm the one [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► criticizing the show i'm also going to [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► provide counterpoint because i'm also [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► the one producer on the show okay [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► alright so it's kind of you know it in [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► arguing with myself but it's not it's [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► not really like a winning or losing [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► argument there are bad things about it [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► and there are reasons that the bad [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► things exist and so i'm going to talk [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► about the bad things and what's bad [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► about them and then explain why it is [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► that they exist doesn't make them not [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► bad it's just you know i'm i'm doing all [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► sides of this right cuz you know that's [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► the way it has to be all right and as [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► the list is kind of sorted but not [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► really like the first thing i have i [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► think is the worst thing about the [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► podcast and then i'll get a little bit [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► better and i just kind of stopped like [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► there are many more things wrong with [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► the hypercritical podcast then i'm going [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► to list but I feel like I hit the [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► highlights after a handful of bite [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► alright so the number one thing that's [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► wrong with the hypocritical podcast [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► again i will give you one last chance to [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► guests and what is the number one thing [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► was wrong with a critical podcast [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► besides the descending know that was [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► gonna be my answer was that identity [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► well you know you got to pick something [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► different nothing i can't think of a [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► single thing that I don't like about [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► this show beside the defending besides [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► it attending all right well here like I [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► mean I'm not I'm not [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► I'm not Haddie I mean need to back me up [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► she's looking I Britt I can't think of [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► anything all right here so there's [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► nothing wrong with the John I did think [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► of some things in here they are the [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► number one thing was wrong with the [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► hyprocure podcast is follow-up that's [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► nothing wrong with that were you talking [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► about you're not supposed to argue with [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► me I garona myself oh yeah I still have [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► your chance to give your account online [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► well I'll be quiet yes also abbreviated [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► as fu is the people who might not know [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► is the part of the show we talk about [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► talk about the topics discussed on past [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► shows and we revisit them usually we [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► revisit them in response to listener [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► feedback sometimes it's like [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► self-feedback where I realized that [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► something was wrong or something you [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► need to correct it there's different [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► types of fu we have Corrections which is [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► you know the comic-con we have [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► expansions where it's like you know [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► about the thing we talked about last [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► week here's some more about it there's [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► also clarifications where if i said [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► something it was misunderstood i try to [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► clarify it so what's so bad about follow [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► up follow up happens at the start of the [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► show and so it necessarily delays the [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► discussion of whatever the new topic is [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► just like on the show right here before [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► we got to this part where you were talk [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► about what's wrong with a hyper go to [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► podcast we have to follow up it so that [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► delayed this discussion and a common [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► tweet from fans the show or things I see [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► you know going back forth between people [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► after we do a show or some topic comes [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► up we'll say oh there was a great [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► discussion about whatever this topic is [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► you know in hypercritical episode number [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► 96 I just you know check it out and skip [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► the minute 35 and here's an actual tweet [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► from being comparables Twitter account [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► the inoperable another podcast that I [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► participated in assuming this tweet was [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► made by Jason Snell he usually runs that [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► account for other people tweet to it as [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► well I think uh here it is it says if [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► you liked our bed at high school episode [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► check out Syracuse on hypercritical this [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► week and it gives a link to the episode [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► starts 57 minutes in so that type of [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► thing where whenever anyone wants to [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► recommend the show to someone else they [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► have to say I'll here check this one out [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► and like skip a half an hour an hour [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► into the show because they don't want to [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► say I'll just check this out because if [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► you just start listening you're like I [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► thought they said this was gonna be [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► about you know whatever that like the [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► bad of high school stuff and I'm [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► listening and he's talking about that [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► stuff right anytime you know it anytime [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► anyone talks about the show they have to [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► give some sort of minute marker type [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► thing and I find myself holding back [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► from suggesting episodes of my own [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► podcast of people just so I can avoid [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► having to explain that I'll be checkers [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► episode but you have to skip to a [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► certain marker pointer skip skip a [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► quarter of the show to get to the good [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► part it makes the podcast harder to [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► share with people and it makes it harder [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► to get into if you're a new listener [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► because the follow-up is not relevant to [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► you if you didn't hear the previous [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► episode if you just chase that all the [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► way back you end up having to start [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► listening for episode 1 which is two [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► years ago and that's not really uh [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► tenable and also the follow-up makes [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► each episode longer because instead of [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► just starting right in with a new thing [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► that we want to talk about a new episode [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► that you know 10 15 20 30 40 sometimes [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► apparently 57 minutes of stuff before [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► the actual topic of the show just makes [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► every episode longer so a couple of [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► remedies for the follow-up have been [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► recommended over the years one early on [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► people saying why don't we just put the [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► fall but the end ha so like so could [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► listen and say don't forget it I don't I [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► don't wanna hear anymore this and then [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► this stop or yeah but you get like the [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► you get whatever the main topic is [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► immediately so if you if there we did [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► some cool show like you know video game [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► controllers something you could say oh [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► there was this episode about this uh [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► check it out and just give you the link [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► to episode whatever and you'd start [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► listening and you would hear immediately [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► after the little intro you'd hear about [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► video can we control switch is what your [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► friend one sent you the link for and [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► then at the end you would have the [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► follow-up and very early on that was [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► suggested and I rejected it because it [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► breaks continuity the way we do it with [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► develop on the front preserves [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► continuity because like on an episode [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► we'll discuss topic a and then that [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► episode will end and then the next [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► episode we'll have more on topic a [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► because it's follow-up and babble end [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► and then we'll do topic be right and the [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► other thing is that the topic be may [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► build on topic a so if we didn't do the [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► follow-up in the beginning say we're [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► talking about topic be we'd have to have [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► add some sort of waffling like I know [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► that we said last week the blah blah [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► blah but that isn't actually true which [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► you'll see when we get to the follow up [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► at the end like you can't you can't move [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► on until you've addressed the follow up [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► is if you're talking about the new topic [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► you want to talk about it and [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► light of the new revelations or new [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► clarifications or expansions at the top [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► from last week so follow up at the [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► engines does not work for me people have [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► suggested adding a chapter marker in the [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► file itself are having separate [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► follow-up episodes like a little mini [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► episode and then the main episode or [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► having a separate feed for follow-up all [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► three of those solutions aside from the [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► production related issues which you can [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► speak to to say whether that would be [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► feasible or whatever uh is that they all [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► encourage skipping of the follow-up [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► because the reason you'd want to have [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► that marker and other stuff is like oh [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► well there's that the follow up is sort [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► of isolated if you don't want to listen [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► to you can jump right past that I don't [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► want people who don't pass that I want [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► people to actually listen to the fall so [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► why why why do we have follow-up why is [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► it there after all these bad things I've [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► said it but I truly believe the [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► follow-up really is a big downside to [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► the show that you know really stops it [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► from being accessible and stops from [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► being shared and all the things you [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► would want like if you wanna make a [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► popular podcast you wanted to be easily [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► shared you want people to be jumped to [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► jump right and so why do I do it ah well [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► I think it's part of the theme of the [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► shows that are the dedication to getting [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► things correct have the attention to [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► detail and you know in the highfalutin [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► version that the search for truth or you [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► know when as close as we can get and [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► continuity like you know where you start [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► listening and we're talking about things [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► that we did in the last show continuity [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► repels casual Lister's but it also [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► rewards dedicated listeners because they [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► feel like oh now I'm resuming this thing [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► in progress I think we've seen this [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► recently with television shows as well [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► where people used to be allergic to [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► continuity on television people who made [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► TV shows would try to make everything [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► episodic but slowly but surely [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► television series have been learning [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► that yes continuity does make it hard to [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► get into a program but with time [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► shifting and everything it's easier for [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► people to start from the beginning or [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► you know get it on DVD or streamer door [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► whatever and continuity rewards the [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► people who are dedicated fans of the [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► show so that's sort of flipped around [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► and it's the same dichotomy in [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► podcasting enthusiastic fans want to [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► hear more about the topics that [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► interested in so if I talk about some [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► topic and you know you're interested in [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► it you're happy when you start the next [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► show to hear more on that topic or some [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► sort of fall pour a little tidbit fob [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► also of course rewards the individual [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► listeners who write in with the [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► follow-up they get the thrill [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► hearing their name is pronounced on the [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► air and it's exciting that is a thrill [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► yeah they get to participate in the [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► conversation not really like you know [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► real-time like a call-in show but they [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► get to be a participant in a [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► conversation that those thing to all be [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► with a massive time delay sometimes they [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► get to fault their own follow up on the [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► next show so they can have sort of a you [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► know an even longer conversation and all [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► this I think encourages hardcore fans [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► and helps the show by harvesting [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► information that would otherwise be [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► locked away in listeners minds so you [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► know if you ever listen to a podcast and [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► you get frustrated because the host of [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► like wondering about something and you [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► know the answer damn you wished you just [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► yell into the thing like no no like here [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► let me tell you what it is well [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► follow-up provides an outlet for that [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► frustration instead of just going these [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► dopes don't they know or you know or if [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► you know the answer you can't yell back [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► into the pipe guess but if you know that [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► follow-up is part of the format you can [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► say well soon as I get home I'm gonna [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► bang on email and say hey guys you were [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► asking about XYZ I know about that [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► here's the answer and not only is an [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► outlet for the frustration for them but [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► I'm now reaping the benefits of having a [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► smart informed audience like you know [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► presumably someone in our audience knows [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► a lot about you know wireless security [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► or history of video game controllers or [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► how Intel does their CPUs or whatever [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► I'm benefiting from that so I despite [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► the fact that I think this is clear all [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► of us clear the biggest thing that's [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► wrong with the show those are all the [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► reasons that I keep it and you know [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► early on decided to keep it and it stuck [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► with it and the other thing about [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► follow-up is it it could be that [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► follow-up ends up being the most [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► enduring aspect of of the shows i was [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► thinking about this I'd listen to a lot [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► of other pot gets a lot about the five [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► by five podcast and a lot of them do [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► follow-up uh sometimes like ironically [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► or jokingly like for the people who [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► happen to know me like Marco our Merlin [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► will say oh yeah and I've got a little [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► piece of follow-up or whatever and [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► they're doing it kind of half joke haha [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► like it's not a dedicated part of the [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► format but anytime I do have something [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► like that they'll throw it in right uh [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► but even on shows like I can geek Friday [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► I don't think either of the hosts of [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► geek Friday ever listened to my show and [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► yet they have follow-up as well and I [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► wonder you know kind of like cutting the [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► ends off the roast you know that story [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► no it's only the story it's like the [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► woman is making a roast or something and [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► she's cutting off the ends of it [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► sometimes why why are you cutting off [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► the ends of your roasters oh well you [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► know my mother always cut the ends off [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► you always have to do that makes the [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► Rose come out better and then they asked [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► the mother you know your daughter said [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► you always have to cut off the ends of [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► the rose when you put in the of it makes [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► come out better while you do that so [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► well my grandmother you know my mother [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► your grandmother always cut the ends off [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► throws you have to do that or as it [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► doesn't come out right and so they asked [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► the grandmother why'd you cut the ends [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► off the rose and said well I'm all my [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► roasting pans were too small so I always [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► had to cut the ends off for so-and-so [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► like three generations no no one knows [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► why you're cutting the ends off the [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► roses like oh that's what you do when [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► you make roast right it's just the right [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► thing too so I'm wondering if like the [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► people who do geek Friday do they know [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► where follow-up comes from and even like [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► outside the network you know that the [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► second incarnation of the talk show [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► which is no longer even on five by five [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► Gruber does fall tonight show as well so [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► you know this is my lasting legacy is [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► five degrees separator from five by five [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► Don some podcast somewhere some will [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► mention that they're going to do [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► follow-up and have no idea why they're [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► doing that or where that term came from [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► or where that format I mean I'm maybe [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► I'm not the first person ever to do fall [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► out but I think I can trace a straight [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► line through from my follow-up to the [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► very least Marco and merlyn's follow-up [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► probably the Friday's fall property [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► Gruber's follow-up as well so I think [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► there is some merit to this idea perhaps [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► not to the degree that I did it in my [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► show but you know every show is [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► different all right item number two that [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► is wrong with the hypercritical podcast [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► of the title I think there are probably [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► very few people who have positive [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► feelings about the word hypercritical in [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► people who don't already know about the [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► podcast or blog or anything else like [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► that it it repels most normal people [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► with negative implications of the work [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► because like being critical as a bad [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► thing in most circles being critical [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► hurts people's feelings and hyper [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► critical is even worse hi from critical [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► is being needlessly critical like you're [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► being a jerk like you're not just being [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► critical but you bring hypercritical so [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► you're just a super-duper jerk and so [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► why would you want a podcast about [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► hurting people's feelings needlessly it [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► just turns it's a big turnoff it just [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► turns people off uh and you know I [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► acknowledge that now what so why do I [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► have this title well the first reason is [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► that the ARS technica article that I [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► wrote several years before the podcast [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► had the same name as its title is titled [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► hyper [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► protocol and that was the inspiration [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► for the show for the format of the show [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► the content of the show everything about [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► the show a link to this articles in the [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► show notes one last time if you still [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► haven't found it ah that's not exactly a [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► reason to use it for the title the [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► podcast but that's why I originally [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► picked it second reason is that it's [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► kind of a hedge against criticism [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► because people are going to say I [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► listened that show the guys so picky and [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► he's got so many complaints and and you [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► can answer that you know well what's the [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► title of the show like what did you [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► think you were getting it does what it [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► says on the tin as the saying goes [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► stolen from England or wherever uh the [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► show is called hypercritical so you [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► should expect that type of thing right [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► now that's not exactly doesn't make any [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► sense just because that's the title the [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► show that doesn't answer if your if your [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► issue is that the i'm too picky on the [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► show and the show is full of complaints [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► me telling you that all will just look [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► at the title the show doesn't answer any [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► of your complaints it's not it's not a [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► come it's not a justification at all but [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► that doesn't mean it doesn't placate [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► people because people are not logical so [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► I find that when people say you know you [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► see this I said compensation copying all [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► the time in the chat room and Twitter or [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► whatever someone listen to the show say [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► it's full of complaints and it's picking [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► other person will say well duh look at [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► the title of the show and that ends the [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► conversation and it shouldn't but it [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► does uh toughie like I don't know if [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► that's a justification for the title but [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► it's one of those perverse actual [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► interactions that happens all the time [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► uh and pointing to the title the show [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► somehow ends the debate they go well [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► okay I guess and that really shouldn't [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► be telling people it shouldnt that [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► shouldn't end the debate because you [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► haven't actually answered the criticism [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► if you don't like the show because [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► there's too much complaint someone [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► pointing the title to you doesn't make [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► you like the show any better and [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► shouldn't stop you from having that [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► complaint so I don't have a real good [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► justification except that I like the [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► title it's hard to come up with good [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► titles i became attached to it because [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► it was attached to that article which [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► involved both me and steve jobs and and [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► it was the inspiration for the show so [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► it only makes sense for it to be the [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► title ah but it does it does keep people [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► away next item show duration here this [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► one a lot shows are too long okay i can [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► i can get on board with this one a [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► little bit because you must suffer [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► through them to know I it's never [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► suffering and and it's [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► but here's the thing mayotte may I jump [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► in here go for it it's not that the [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► shows are too long it's that the shows [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► are longer than most other shows that [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► other people would hear especially in [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► the format that this show is which is [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► pretty much you talking and I don't [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► think that it's that they're too long I [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► think it's longer than what many people [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► are used to what many people expect and [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► perhaps what many people have time for [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► but I would my counterpoint to this [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► before you respond is that's what makes [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► the shows great and that any less time [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► any less time than you devote to these [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► things would be carelessness from your [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► standpoint I think I'm not saying you [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► would be careless I'm saying you feel [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► because of your desire to be complete [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► and to totally understand something and [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► discuss it you must examine every point [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► and for you to do any less would be a [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► disservice and so the show bank argument [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► logically it doesn't make it that much [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► sense because as we both pointed out [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► many times like you don't have to listen [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► to an entire show in a single sitting I [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► certainly don't like I I listened to [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► even very short podcasts split up into [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► pieces maybe some people find that [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► off-putting but like you know when i'm [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► on my commute when i get home i stop [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► whatever podcast and listening to and [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► it's always in the middle of one you [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► know it's rarely at the end but as we [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► just got done saying people are really [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► logical and you know they just I well I [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► just don't like listening to things [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► split up like you know it even even [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► ignoring the session length issue like I [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► just want to have one listening session [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► it needs to be a certain length and I [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► don't like stopping in the middle as you [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► said some people just don't have time to [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► listen to two hours of audio in the week [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► like maybe they don't have a commute or [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► maybe they don't have two hours with [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► dishes to wash or maybe they prefer [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► music most of the time right and so if [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► if your podcast is good enough a 30 [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► minute or 60 minute podcast has a chance [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► of snagging people who don't normally [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► listen to podcast so if you're like all [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► right well I don't normally have a place [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► in my life where I listen to podcast [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► again don't have a commuter don't I to [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► listen to music other times or whatever [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► if the podcast is really good and it's [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► like 30-60 minutes maybe you can get [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► some of those guys but it's like 90 or [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► 120 minutes forget it like it's really [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► hard to get those people to come over to [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► listen to your podcast if it's just so [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► long right [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► uh and so why the heck of my show so [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► long and by the way there was another [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► let me grab the link in the chat room [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► there's another more complicated [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► analysis of show length still showing a [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► general upward trend but of course that [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► trend and now because the show link will [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► suddenly drop to zero driving yeah that [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► the show length won't drop to zero there [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► would just be no more shows yeah I guess [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► I you're right uh so so why is this so [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► long well the first thing is that [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► preparation for the show makes shows [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► shorter because when I know what I'm [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► gonna say I don't like meander as much [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► and I can kind of say okay i'm halfway i [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► do i'ma quarter through whatever but [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► even with our literally hours of [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► preparation for each oh the the limiting [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► factor is that i have a lot to say about [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► these topics and thoroughness is part of [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► the theme of the show right I said about [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► my writing before that like the most [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► important thing for me when I'm writing [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► for a good or for ill is to get all the [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► ideas I have out onto the page every [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► little thing like you know I will find [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► it frustrating if I get through a [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► section and like a Mac os10 review or [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► something it's like oh I wanted to also [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► make one particular point about this one [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► control in the interface and I have to [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► find someplace to jam that I just want [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► to get it all out like I want to I don't [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► want to finish the thing and say I [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► didn't make that point because I just [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► didn't have room or something so I want [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► to get it out and of course fault makes [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► the show longer and it's also part of [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► the same sort of thoroughness theme but [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► it's but it's like you said like I have [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► if I have what to say I want to get it a [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► lot i don't feel satisfied if I haven't [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► and I think that fits with the theme of [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► the show that you know not wanting to [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► let things go the thoroughness you know [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► the attention to detail just the [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► obsessed the general obsessiveness of [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► the entire endeavor and that just plain [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► results in long show so the preparation [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► is a hedge against that but even even [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► with the preparation all does is let me [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► get my you know umpteen points out and [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► make sure to make sure I got them all [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► out and didn't miss any ah yeah next [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► item and you touched on this already and [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► maybe they should've been higher listed [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► domination of a single voice which is [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► mine no matter how much you like a [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► person hearing too much from them can [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► start to wear you down [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► you you Dan are the co-host of the show [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► but for the most part you let me talk [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► when I want to talk well sir I mean I'd [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► say this to Merlin is a joke it's your [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► show this really is it's your show this [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► your form of my role here from from day [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► one is just to be supportive of that be [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► give help help you keep this platform [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► and you know the best it can be we're in [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► sync today damn because the very next [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► item of my whole point is it's my show [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► you know as you're so fond of saying [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► well you finally shared your notes with [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► me yeah there you go I and this is in [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► general how I want things uh but the [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► downside of this format is that siracusa [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► fatigue is a real risk especially with [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► long shows right uh you know and a [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► corollary to this is that this format of [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► you know the single voice dominant thing [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► makes it much harder for me to not that [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► I'm good at this already but makes much [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► harder for me to do any sort of decent [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► interview like when we had Jeff Atwood [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► on I talked to all rim which was always [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► rude and terrible that's great but that [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► like if you get acclimated to that it's [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► like when you do the hyper go to a [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► podcast you go into hyper critical [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► podcast mode in your use of just being [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► the singular voice uh that doesn't fit [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► with lots of other formats like for [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► example doing an interview type thing uh [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► and that's a shame but that limits the [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► show and in general having a single boys [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► means that my peculiar taste dictate [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► entire shows worth of material so I'm [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► really interested in console controller [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► so we do hall show on console [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► controllers it might my own pet [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► programming language peeves and things [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► like that tons of stuff on tivo even if [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► the rest of the world is not that [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► interested in tivo toasters like you [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► name it single voice means that you get [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► everything that comes with that the good [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► and the bad right and if it was a more [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► balanced show like a second opinion [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► could help veto topics that are too [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► narrow or you know or at least rein me [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► in when I'm wearing out my welcome on a [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► single topic or something like that and [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► that would help the show have broader [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► appeal because if it was like if it was [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► like an equal type of show where you [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► have like two people going at the same [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► time they could balance each other and [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► try to get something that had a broader [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► appeal because if you're not interested [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► in things that I'm interested in a [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► single voice show like this you just [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► like like people skip entire episodes [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► like oh we just started talking about [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► programming languages I just tuned out [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► and skip the whole episode ah and that's [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► not the way to have a [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► popular show was brought appeal so what [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► why is this a single boy show i [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► mentioned that that's what I wanted that [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► is what I wanted out of the show I [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► wanted to do a thing where we had a [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► podcast and it was my podcast and I got [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► to talk with the singular voice [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► moderated by co-host yes and like that I [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► think is it a totally essential element [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► hmm because I've tried and failed [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► several times to record things on my own [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► with no co-host and it just does not [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► work uh and I'm the wing of the wind [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► beneath your wings if you yes and we [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► remember when you went on vacation or [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► not vacation when you moved your house [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► it's like the UH in the secret of NIMH [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► when the Brisby move their house that's [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► where I'm at in your movies that's [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► exactly what it was the rats and the [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► alleys and yes yes that I meaning in [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► every detail exactly like someone got [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► crushed underneath a cinder block it was [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► messy Oh ademas sorry Helen when you and [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► you had a guest host stand in so he was [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► not just it you know who was a Ryan [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► Ireland yeah I think Ryan Ireland uh [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► stood in for for me back then he did a [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► great job and he'd also hosted the show [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► with Marco but uh you know it just [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► wasn't the same maybe because like you [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► know those were his first first time [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► ever talking to me in person and the [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► first couple shows and he you know he [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► did a good job filling the role of a [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► co-host but it's not just any co-host [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► like I think you in particular provide a [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► certain essential ingredient to this [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► podcast ah so I think that does have to [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► be a co-host in the mix and not just any [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► Coast because it like those shows were [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► different then the shows that the you [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► host but I wanted the overall show to [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► have a singular voice the same way I got [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► your own blog has a singular voice right [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► like you know hi vulajin or something [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► like that is your voice it's not and [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► it's not even moderated by a co-host or [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► anything basement blog you don't need to [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► co something I but like that's it's this [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► is the podcast version of a blog I [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► wanted some ones that I want to hear [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► what this one person has say I go on [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► this is his podcast I'll listen to him [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► talk right and part of your roles also [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► that you are sort of standing in you are [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► the advocate for the audience a little [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► bit like right whether it's just looking [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► at the chat room or thinking of the [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► questions that are going to come up in [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► the audience's mind and so on and so [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► forth so I mean you know because we and [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► that's the thing is that that like you [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► mentioned before where we'll have [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► follow-up because we won't you know we [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► might say something or you might be [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► talking about something and maybe you [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► get a something that's not hun percent [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► right a lot of the time the chat room [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► will channel that but when I hear you [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► say something a lot at the time and I [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► just there's something in my gut it says [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► wait a minute this doesn't happen a lot [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► especially not when we're talking about [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► technical stuff because they you you've [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► got all that figured out when we're [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► talking about the other stuff that that [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► where there's like a judgment involved [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► and I think well maybe I needs you know [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► what are they going to say to that and [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► I'm you know you've got it I've got to [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► jump in so maybe it's just that maybe [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► it's just that you feel that you know [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► you're not alone talking into a mic and [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► even though you know there's an audience [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► there listening having me here you know [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► I did it makes it more of a discussion [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► even though it's it's pretty much your [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► turn on the podium the whole time yeah [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► yeah so like i said i think i think that [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► does limit the appeal of the show [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► because no matter how it's like if [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► anybody think of your favorite celebrity [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► like like a Ricky Gervais so like say [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► you're a big fan of him or something I [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► mean he's he's great if it were my [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► choice you're my favorite celebrity he [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► was just a show with him totally even [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► the shows that he does he has this [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► partner that be kind of bounces off but [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► it's more equal night so just having [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► like having a single person dominated [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► blog I feel it much easier to deal with [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► than having a single person dominated [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► podcast so it you know especially if you [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► know if you if you if that person is not [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► like likable and appealing that really [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► limits how how many people are going to [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► be able to listen to and like the show [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► but that by that's what I wanted that so [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► I wanted was a single voice podcast [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► that's what I got ah next item it's [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► wrong with hypercritical podcast is want [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► me wanting to discuss topics that are [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► outside my areas of expertise all right [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► not doing enough background research on [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► those topics what's an example of one of [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► those well get the examples I mentioned [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► the past shows that I'm not a journalist [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► and because i can't just write about any [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► topic like a real journalist you just [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► throw it a topic they'll learn about and [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► talk about it ah it you know in general [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► when i do writing i stick to what I [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► actually know stuff about or I'm close [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► to knowing about so i can do a little [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► bit of research and figure it out uh and [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► though i have you no interest in [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► passionate about lots of topics [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► I break the format a little bit when I [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► tackle things on the podcast that they [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► have little practical experience with [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► and it changes for me the podcast then [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► changes from me sharing informed [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► opinions and backgrounds with the [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► audience to me having what one listener [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► once described as a slow-motion argument [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► with the Internet where where it'll be [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► like me discussing something with all [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► listeners in the show but in slow motion [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► because I get to have my say then they [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► do a bunch of fall and then it comes [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► back around then we go on and on [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► examples of this urban we talked about [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► patents or voting technology or geek [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► culture areas where I'm not an expert in [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► any of them and tried to say that up [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► front but that it changes the the nature [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► of the show in a strange way and it does [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► turn into the you know slow motion [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► discussion / argument with the entire [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► internet or the audience of the show so [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► why why do I do that why not stick the [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► topics that I know well well as we [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► already established it is a single voice [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► podcast and I do have an interest in [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► those topics and I want to discuss them [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► ah and I actually like that slow motion [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► argument with listeners experience for [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► the most part although I'd college [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► discussion not an argument I actually [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► enjoy that that's why I do it so much is [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► why we had 17 episodes about patents [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► where I just kept talking about it [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► beginning it was I kind of like that it [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► does kind of split the pot guests into [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► two kinds of episodes though the kind [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► where I know the kind where I generally [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► know more about a topic than most of the [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► audience and the kind where I do not hmm [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► but I don't like some people like one [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► kind of episode some people like the [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► other some people like hearing you know [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► me talk about my mac OS 10 review where [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► I've you know already thought about [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► these issues and research them and know [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► about them ahead of time and have [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► written about them then I'm just [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► clarifying that people like those things [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► or talk about the top of good I know [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► about like programming languages or you [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► know file systems or something like that [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► and other people like the episodes bar [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► that are more open-ended where I'm [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► talking about something that there [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► aren't as many hard and fast things and [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► I don't even know all the facts are [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► background like patents or you know geek [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► culture something some people like those [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► type of episodes I like to have both [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► kinds of episodes in the podcast but it [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► does make it so it kind of splits the [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► podcast and to where you never know what [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► you're going to get if you tune in [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► because you heard like the Walter [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► Isaacson thing where i know tons about [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► Steve Jobs and everything I can you know [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► really dissect that book like oh wow I [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► want to hear this guy talk about the [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► things that he's an expert in and I do [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► the next show on patents where I man [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► admitted non-expert [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► like what happened to the show I was [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► listening to and by the same token if [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► you like oh I like that geek culture [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► episode you find out that that's [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► generally not the type of thing that I [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► talked about this kind of squishy topics [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► and instead I do an episode about the [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► details of the wii u controller it's [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► like what happened to the podcast I [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► wanted to listen to me right so you [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► can't I'm you know you can't please [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► everyone with both of those topics and [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► it does it you know it's like it's like [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► to podcasts in one and the people who [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► like one are probably not going to like [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► the other as much alright and the final [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► item again this is not like the last [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► thing that's wrong with the show there [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► are many many many more things wrong and [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► I bet you and the audience can list them [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► on your own maybe make your own list but [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► this is the one I stopped on because i [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► figured that like you know diminishing [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► returns like i've hit the highlights the [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► final thing is wrong with the podcast is [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► it's not a full-time job for me [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► everything about this show would be [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► improved with more time and effort on my [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► part i would have more time for [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► preparation instead of just preparing [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► for several hours like i do it would be [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► prepare and then go back and edit the [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► preparation which I generally don't have [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► time to do like I go from top to bottom [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► prepare my notes and like that take [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► several hours and said put in the links [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► and that's it I don't have time to go [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► back again and again and go over it you [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► know I could if I did I could formulate [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► actual segments like to try to have more [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► complex segments with more moving parts [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► and more interesting things in them I [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► could do much better background research [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► on things but like it is a limited [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► amount I'm I can dedicate to this uh and [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► since it's not my full-time job I never [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► did learn many of the skills that can [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► help improve a podcast in general like a [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► proper diction and less mumbling more [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► polished segues between segments fewer [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► um Xand us and all the verbal tics and [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► saying right with a question mark after [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► every have you listened to to the shows [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► that you started out doing you know [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► ninety some episodes back compare [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► yourself to the way you are now you're a [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► pro I mean first of all you were really [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► good in the beginning but your total pro [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► now you don't have any of those things [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► anymore I've improved but I can fight [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► all the time like a you know I'm saying [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► is that if it was a full-time job I feel [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► confident that I would be better at [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► these things and so if you're listening [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► to a podcast for two years you know like [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► Jesus guys still almond his way through [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► this and it's driving me nuts and you're [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► right like after two years you would [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► think wouldn't he'd be better after two [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► years but like I'm doing this for a [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► couple of hours a week it's not a [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► full-time job like [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► you know I'm not gonna say I'm not a [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► professional podcaster because I am [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► technically a professional podcaster but [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► it is not a full-time job and if you [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► listen to podcasts you know from like [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► your podcast is your full-time job right [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► like there's a difference in level of [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► Polish about you know sort of beyond [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► their skills between these type of [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► things that you know and for podcast [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► like mine that I think this is a [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► difference in terms of the amount of [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► research you like listen to you know [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► radio lab or something or this american [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► life you might have work and that goes [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► into an episode of this american life is [TS]