Roderick on the Line

00:00:01 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► hello daejeon Merlin man John ah how's [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► going savior of the universe um bum [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► Queen just gets better with age oh [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► really oh wow mm-hmm that's quite a [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► statement I yes I I really think that I [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► think their strongest stuff in the mid [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► 70s still sounds really fresh I think [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► killer quo oh i thought you said weaned [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► oh oh I'm just gonna be like well you're [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► off to the races don't get too close to [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► my fantasy haha no queen is wonderful [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► totally access I can see the confusion [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► hey Josh how's it goes like and then you [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► were like yeah there's stuff in the 70s [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► a hug I am NOT following this yeah they [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► had to make their own Scotchgard back [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► then mmm scottsburg because we sure did [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► well they claim that they used to inhale [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► Scotchgard hmm i think that's plausible [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► yeah they're they're held the pan but [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► Queen give much thing that was go ahead [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► I would cause you say close the loop on [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► Queen all i'ma say about those loop I [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► got two things on Queen one is that [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► their stuff from especially the mid 70s [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► which i think is some of their strongest [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► stuff really still holds up great and I [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► think something like like I say like [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► killer queen or especially a song that [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► just gets better every time I hear it is [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► somebody to love I've heard that's not [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► probably a hundred times and I still [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► think it is I mean but Union Rhapsody is [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► great I mean it really there's a reason [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► that that was what ever the greatest [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► selling single in UK history or whatever [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► but I really think somebody to love has [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► so much going for it that's part one and [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► you can feel free to respond part two is [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► songs I did not like from queen or I [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► thought were off brand for Queen have [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► really grown on me over the years yeah [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► don't stop me now don't stop me now I at [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► the time I was like oh I don't know but [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► it's really growing on me over the years [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► I 12 [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► my bicycle wanted to ride my bag well I [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► like he said coke I said game yeah yeah [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► yeah yeah anyway it's my feeling on that [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► you know Roy Thomas P honor Thomas say [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► about that uh yeah Metro Roy Thomas [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► Baker talked about him he's got great [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► hair guys build is that late did Mike [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► again hitter Mike Oh something happens [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► hang on it's it's popping and locking [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► yeah yeah no no it just it needed to pop [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► and lock it's a little bit of a I've [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► gotta break dancing like it's oh is that [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► right left evenly left to lock it beat [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► street the king of the beatsie rocking [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► that be from across the street boo boo I [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► watched Rita what is the one what's the [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► wild style i watch wild style a couple [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► weeks ago uh oh nothing up well you know [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► what it was i watched that uh hip-hop [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► documentary hip-hop evolution oh yes and [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► you know it's funny you know there's a [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► term the millennium to use triggering so [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► like yeah you just show me the tiniest [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► clip a grandmaster flash uh beat mixing [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► in his in his little kitchenette while [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► fab 5 freddy looks on you just show me [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► who sends you right back yeah well you [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► know the ceilin talking about it's it's [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► it's I didn't know it was from well [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► stock because I'd never seen while [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► stopped but I've seen in many of the [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► documentaries I've seen over the years [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► there's a very famous scene you know in [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► Grandmaster Flash invented like three or [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► four of the most important things that [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► we consider turntablism today and you [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► see this on displaying whatever that was [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► by that time 1982 and that does set me [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► back it's a pretty good movie the [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► story's kind of flimsy but you get the [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► graffiti you get the breakdancing you [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► get the turntable it's a hell of a thing [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► over the over the years this is not a [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► thing I ever would have guessed let's [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► say 1987 I never would have said if [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► you'd come up to me said would you over [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► the years subsequent to now ever find [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► yourself in a romantic situation with a [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► fly girl [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► oh I would have said there's very little [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► chance of me being in a romantic [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► scenario with a fly girl with a girl [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► that is even remotely fly like a little [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► a lot of my girl a lot of preferential [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► and practical reasons why that just [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► seemed like a non-starter yeah right i [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► mean if you said i don't do a lot of fly [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► girls to begin with think the well I or [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► I sir I wouldn't I wouldn't have at the [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► time thought to myself I'm gonna be [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► seeking fly girls I was seeking Pixies [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► if you had said how many you know what [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► do you think you'll ever be in a [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► romantic situation with a pixie I would [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► have said yes God willing if he said [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► what about someone with the bangs that [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► covered most of their eyes I would have [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► said yes God willing uh but but not a [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► fly girl I would not have thought that I [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► would have been uh with anybody that had [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► ever done any kind of fly dancing well [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► it just kind of wasn't your scene right [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► but time is a funny task mistress and as [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► time has gone on and my path has gone [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► its stumblebum way stumblebum way we [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► will and there you know and fly girls of [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► course are out in the world going along [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► their own paths it's turned out that my [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► path and fly girl paths have inner [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► intersected more than once and it's [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► really an eye-opener yeah to be exposed [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► to flag or fly girl culture it's very [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► it's very fly could give me a rough idea [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► on date range here when this fly girl [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► incident happened incidents over the [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► corset on over the course of time you [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► know because I know if you're saying [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► this wasn't a one-off fly girl no no no [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► it's uh it's a it's a thing where I [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► think fly girls uh you know they're [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► speeding along right they achieve a [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► certain velocity in their own lives yeah [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► and then somewhere out in a distant [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► point where you think [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► once upon a time when I was listening to [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► Van Morrison in some ski lodge outside [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► of Spokane trying to see if I we could [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► if everybody at the table could scrape [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► scrape their pipes enough to get enough [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► resin to get us all I and somewhere [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► somewhere else you know uh there was you [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► know like living color was on and people [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► were you know we're wearing like a [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► hammer pants and doing fly moves maybe a [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► cankle never the twain shall have met [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► right but then later on in life yeah [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► you're standing around you're like here [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► we all are you know waiting for the [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► waiting for the minor key to open [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► because we all we all got everybody's [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► got muffler problems at a certain point [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► right gotta get muffled you're standing [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► around my car's loud mine too why are [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► you here at eight in the morning well [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► it's the only time I could get because [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► of this because of that own place is [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► wick wick wack and then it's like well [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► we got an hour to hour to kill while our [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► mufflers are getting changed do you want [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► to go get a cross screen get a donut [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► sure you know and one thing 10 trends [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► into another and you're like where you [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► from I'm from Hiromi not and uh yeah [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► yeah you're like your mic again isn't [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► that's what I'm saying it's the [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► hypocrites it is a hip-hop it's not my [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► dream it's the hip hop hippity hop and [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► you don't stop rockin that's what the [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► problem and so started it started and [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► this is the funniness of this task [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► mistress it started in a minor key [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► muffler shop that's that the genesis yes [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► how does one ask this question what was [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► the ethnic makeup of the fly girl well [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► the thing about fly girls it's often [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► ambiguous you know as time as time has [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► gone on but was she stressing it was [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► she's strictly white John mmm no okay [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► and it's not it's not just she you know [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► Lorelei's this well you see why I asked [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► though because there's a really big [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► difference between meeting a white fly [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► girl in a minor key muffler waiting room [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► mmm and having her be be a not not one [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► hundred percent white flight girl cuz [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► that's a different kind of fly girl [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► the thing is that that fly is a as an [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► appellation that can be attached to a [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► lot of different behaviors you can be [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► very I mean I consider myself now [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► extremely fly but also yeah right hip [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► hop dance was a thing that was that was [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► an early melting pot in the music [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► cultures everyone was everyone that [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► could dance you know could get up and [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► dance so yeah I mean but also you know [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► Merlin were all trending I think in the [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► direction of being just sort of [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► Mochaccino that's our future that's [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► great that's the great arc of history [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► yeah the art history is toward toward [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► Mochaccino dome and and so i know god [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► bless it beyond love see no color oh [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► yeah yeah ja I had I have many many [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► miniature memories here what one is i [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► remember in a circa nineteen [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► eighty-eight most most white people were [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► still saying rap music and you know the [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► rap is music hip hop to the culture [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► however you want to break it up but but [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► hip-hop was emerging as the the 0 [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► current term even in the late 80s in 88 [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► really among people that you knew or is [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► this something your documentary well no [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► this is near the height of my interest [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► in this music in particular you know the [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► break dancing in the graffiti in the [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► whatnot wasn't so much but like no [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► really digging what public enemy and of [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► course the piece i mean i think i would [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► have said i would have I think looking [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► back I would have kept saying rap for a [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► lot longer rap and then but then wrap [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► feel it kind of in the culture rap made [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► a big comeback as a term as disparaging [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► term during like the ice tea and and 2 [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► Live Crew controversies you know rap [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► became kind of code it's like say an [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► urban in some ways but hip-hop hip-hop I [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► thought was the only reason I mentioned [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► this is hip hop was on is sent as a term [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► and now i'm gonna say this and this is [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► not going to sound [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► funny in 2017 but in about nineteen [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► eighty-eight I said to my my best friend [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► college said to Michael hey where's a [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► name of your girlfriend so she's this [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► one she's teaching hip hop dance lessons [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► and I laughed harder than I think I'd [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► ever laughed in my entire life that [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► there was a white college girl teaching [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► something that they're even existed [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► something called hip hop dance lessons [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► but then it was taught by by a live Yoga [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► taking brunette girl now it's a it's a [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► full-fledged exercises yeah it's like a [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► jumbo or Mambo it's called you but zumba [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► zumba is the vacuum what's the one they [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► do at the tennis court near my house [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► that zumba ball handball that's it [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► there's all kinds of ways you can [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► incorporate uh you know hip hop into [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► your zumba there it is the there was a [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► time when you could name a sport [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► handball and nobody would laugh it's got [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► to dick jokes in it yeah I couldn't do [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► it now right yeah no come didn't call [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► something handball now that's why [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► nobody's really funny I really thought [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► about that i was driving yesterday I [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► decided I there was there's one place in [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► Washington that I I'm sorry not in [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► Washington but in in King County in my [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► neighborhood basically that I couldn't [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► quite figure out and it's one of those [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► things maybe you've had this to where [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► you're coming in for a landing on an [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► airplane and you're looking out the [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► window and you look down you go yeah I [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► know where that is i know where that is [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► but there was always this thing where i [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► was like what is that like where's that [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► how do i get from hither together and i [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► would see it out the airplane right but [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► it wasn't between anywhere and anywhere [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► it was a it was a place that I was gonna [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► need to dedicate a day did you know you [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► know roughly geographically where you [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► were oh I knew well I knew where it was [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► it's just that you know because Seattle [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► was once under a large glacier the [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► entire region was covered by glacier and [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► as a consequence there are long ridges [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► that run north-south [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► from you know Canada down to let's say [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► the Columbia River and the glacier the [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► extent of the glacier now I'm talking [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► about be the Pleistocene is that how you [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► pronounce it pleistocene Pleistocene is [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► that yeah a time of that era like the [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► the ice sheet ice sheet glacier it was [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► like it didn't go all the way to [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► Portland but it did cover this region [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► anyway so there are a lot of these long [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► thin north to south running uh like [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► hills right through Capitol Hill is one [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► queen anne Hill Lake Washington is a [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► dredged long north-south dredged Lake [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► puget sound really created by these [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► glaciers I did not know any of this yeah [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► it's a young plug your mic again Oh hip [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► hop hippity hop don't stop the rocket to [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► the thing so is it popping or is it [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► gonna be popping is Marco gonna write a [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► article about it is grutas Gruber gonna [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► write an article about there's a pretty [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► good pretty good chance I'll see also [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► mark says you're using the wrong [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► headphones just say no no matter what [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► you want to the wrong headphones I just [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► ordered a pair of headphones he met you [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► know you're not using the sm7b right uh [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► right now no I'm not you know is he's [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► had he's had with you please knee sm7b [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► marcos out of that i'm using the be [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► castor and marcos gonna have to get [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► himself he's gonna have to get right [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► with time right with history but the [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► other day I i was looking at headphones [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► and i went to wire cutter and there were [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► 75 hundred different cutter that's [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► exciting i didn't know you knew about [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► wire cutter yeah 7,500 different options [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► and they were telling me the best ones [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► if i wanted bluetooth noise canceling [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► headphones that would look really good [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► if i lived in an apartment in London [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► that overlooked the Thames and then I [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► saw my trusty old sony 75 0 sixes which [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► i'm using right now and i've had since [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► 1999 and they're completely thrashed and [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► oh my god are they LP ly o thy peeled [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► all the peeling off oh god Sophie Lee [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► that I just peel them off it's all foam [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► and the the jack has been jacked so many [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► times that I have to put it exactly [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► right to get it to be in stereo [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► otherwise it just Manos itself but I [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► ordered a new pair of them which are I [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► believe arriving today all exciting [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► because I was like I want to hear things [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► in stereo all the time I don't want to [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► have to futz with it anyway so this this [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► very large glacier that used to cover [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► all of Washington which created a lot of [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► Washington's geography was created by [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► glaciation and its attendant affects [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► their the glacier would come down and a [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► giant lake would form behind it that [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► would encompass most of Montana and then [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► the ice dam would break Merlin the ice [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► dam would break periodically and and [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► biblical floods would scour the entire [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► region that's what causes the [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► north-south ridges the scrapes no no no [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► the scrapes are from actual glaciers [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► like scraping hello but though but the [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► floods were so big that if you go into [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► eastern Washington now you can go if you [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► go up at an airplane you can see ripples [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► in the ground like the ripples you would [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► see it under at the bottom of a little [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► stream gigantic ripples across the [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► entire landscape that formed when Hugh [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► massive floods would roll over the [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► ripples that when you're on the ground [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► it just seems like rolling hills but [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► from up in from up in the sky it it you [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► know you can see that it's actually like [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► wait formed by waves this is out in the [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► desert in the country Wow pretty [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► interesting but selling so I was coming [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► down for landing and on one of these [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► ridges that characterized the northwest [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► it's a ridge it's a ridge without a home [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► right on the one side it drops a giant [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► cliff down to down to the Green River [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► Valley and the valley is very flat and [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► it's used to be all farms and now it's [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► all [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► distribution warehouses and so so on one [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► side it's a huge cliff and there's only [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► like that maybe a half a dozen roads [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► that go up the side of it and on the [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► other side is I five so there's this [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► long long long strip that goes the top [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► of this Ridge that goes all the way from [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► Seattle to Tacoma and it's very narrow [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► the the top of it and there's no reason [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► to be there right up here if you want to [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► go for Tacoma you can go down this [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► freeway that's right there and if you [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► want to go down the farm country you can [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► go down the farm side why would I drive [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► this Ridge you know it's not and there's [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► no like one rose it's not it was very [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► confused very confused you knock your [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► mic out again and I hope they don't talk [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► there's something very interesting about [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► today mm-hmm you know what it is before [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► I resume that story let's see uh let's [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► see civil war officially ended I think [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► yesterday mmm misty well let me ask you [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► this is it an anniversary or is it a [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► nonce as they say in England uh it's a [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► nonce okay um is the story okay uh so [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► today is the first day of spring break [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► here in Seattle and so my little girl is [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► here with me today and we've never [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► experimented with this which is um I'm [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► podcasting while she's here and I said [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► now go because usually she's in school [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► at this time I said now go to go play on [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► the big carpet and daddy will be doing [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► his podcast and she said okay and I said [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► now don't come up with any kind of [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► little invented problem and she said [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► that's fine so uh now as we've been [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► talking there's been a creeping shadow [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► in my doorway and at one point I think [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► you might have gotten a corgi I could [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► sound like some quirky movement yeah [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► there was a little bit of movement that [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► sounded Korg you like then she peeked [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► her header [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► on the door and I said and then she in [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► an attempt to be very quiet some bunch [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► of marbles tumble down the stairs so she [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► was being very quiet and I think spilled [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► like 14 month it's a lot to ask of [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► somebody her age it is it's actually I'm [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► not being I'm not kidding it's a lot to [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► ask no it is uh I don't know if you've [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► ever heard 14 marbles go down a set of [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► stairs I bet you have but it's not the [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► snot like strictly in the family of [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► being quiet like daddy asked and now [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► she's lurking in the doorway playing [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► with a stuffed rabbit and I'm not so I [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► have to just chhabria check in okay [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► sweetie is everything okay yeah you just [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► wanted to see what daddy was doing but [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► you don't need anything no okay okay [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► good you're doing a very good job yes [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► that is a good question she said when [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► the UPS guy comes cuz I told her that [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► the UPS guy was coming I said don't be [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► worried if a UPS guy comes on the steps [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► she just said if he comes to the door do [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► I have to answer the door good question [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► and I'm gonna say no you do not have to [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► answer the door the door is locked if [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► you want you can look out the window and [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► point down and say put the box in front [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► of the door and then am-scray but you [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► don't have to do that either you can [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► hide in your room the UPS guy will [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► figure it out sound good ok good as by [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► way of saying yes she just with her [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► tongue when I've been a bit up mm-hmm [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► orcs from which I international sign up [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► saying yeah rings ring yeah spring break [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► so work we've got a lot of action [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► planned what oh yeah what would you you [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► plan anything special oh we're just [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► gonna go around you know we carry potter [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► land we don't have that here i know i [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► know you could go see a glacier we may [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► we may a little bit of a drive but put [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► your weather like right now I'm [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► schooling for myself [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► this has been the coldest rainiest [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► winter in a long time and I think maybe [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► even the rainiest winter on record mmm [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► while I'm saying something right yeah it [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► is none of the flowers are blooming the [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► rhododendrons aren't blooming the [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► rhododendrons usually will would have [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► blooms a month ago I have no tulips I [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► know there's nothing it's just like pure [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► desolation the only thing growing is [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► like scrub grass and dandy lines you you [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► would not believe how different things [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► are here because we finally got rain [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► there's been a historic drought for [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► years and yeah it's but I mean it's [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► actually it's one of the small bits of [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► good news in the last long but like [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► first of all the the official official [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► double secret probation drought has [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► finally been called off the e like [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► really well yeah I mean it's been pretty [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► pretty bad and so Governor Brown finally [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► said okay we're going to take off the [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► double secret probation uh you know [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► restrictions but which is good but you [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► know it's good we've all learned to be [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► much more careful with water but here's [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► the amazing part I think you'd enjoy [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► this anecdote when we did our little [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► trip for spring break we drove which is [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► so much better than flying oh my god it [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► was amazing to drive around California [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► rather than fly around California um but [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► you know what's happened is a in [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► addition to you know less of the need [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► for super strict conservation that's [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► still a good idea uh it's brought back I [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► mean used to be you know it's like you [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► drive to California everything's Brown I [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► mean just not just burns not just parks [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► but like those beautiful like rolling [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► hills you see in central California like [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► those have been brown for as long as I [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► can remember not only one big shafte [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► like was just so awful everything and [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► you know Tahoe I think everything has [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► been affected by this but the great news [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► is first of all the green is back and [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► which is nice but here's the other cool [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► thing wild flowers that have not bloomed [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► for something like a decade are blooming [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► for the first time in years and it's [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► gorgeous like people are like in places [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► with like I had no idea that we're even [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► wildflowers here and it's gorgeous it's [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► really Liz really you know it sounds [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► but it's kind of lovely to drive around [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► and have it not just you know look like [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► Mad Max or something it doesn't sound [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► silly i I've been I've been blown away [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► by you know because the first times I [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► went to California and drove you know [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► drove throughout the state it was during [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► a wet period I guess you know the the [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► late 80s mid to late 80s and it was like [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► that the hills around San Francisco were [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► you know for for a lot of the spring and [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► into early summer and then starting in [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► the fall they were green and lush and it [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► was like a it just seemed like paradise [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► down there and Shasta was all the way [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► full and the rivers running high and and [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► you know you really got the feeling of [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► what a garden California was and then [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► when the drought started and the lakes [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► went down it was kind of like oh boy [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► this is a bad couple of years but then [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► it never stopped and the lakes went down [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► and down and down and everything died [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► and it was I mean it was a tragedy for [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► me even as a Washingtonian who was [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► sitting up your gloating you know I was [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► like lawl water wars law but then when I [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► would drive in California I was like oh [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► no I love it here and all those cranks [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► up in Northern California who were [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► putting billboards on the side of the [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► road and saying like this used to be [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► good farmland but the government killed [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► it with the damn you know didn't they [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► didn't agree to them they're not giving [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► us the water for political reasons and I [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► was like are you fucking kidding me yeah [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► there's no water ding-a-lings it's [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► already such a precarious system I mean [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► yeah you can't grow strawberries up here [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► anymore like all almonds maybe they [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► should I coal mining John I understand [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► is coming back bigley clump coal mining [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► Bigley yeah it is it's big lead I was [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► just up at a in a coal neighborhood here [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► in in Seattle just yesterday did you see [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► the whole mining Museum in Kentucky the [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► switching to solar it's not financially [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► feasible do not grow not switch to [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► similar at this point [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► uh yeah there's a there's a town here [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► called Black Diamond oh I thinking [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► thinking gather with the Black Diamond [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► the the titular black diamond as a [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► tribute to the Kissel mm-hmm but no it's [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► about coal oh sorry lack in my [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► dictionary that's the third definition [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► you get happy is yeah you got like your [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► Paul Stanley song right you got skiing [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► thing mmm then you got yet make an [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► actual diamond now do they actually grow [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► diamonds there did that happen uh no [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► blackdiamond is a way of describing cool [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► oh I see okay black gold oil text tool [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► well Texas t8 but you know Cole is uh is [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► shimmery like like like pyrite shines [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► brightly diamond yeah it does it does in [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► the dark and Seattle I mean one of the [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► first big the first big things that that [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► justified the creation of Seattle was we [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► found really rich coal deposits just [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► sort of up in the hills next to here [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► Cole of course being the produce of many [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► years of compressed vegetation and we're [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► famous for our lush vegetation in the [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► region so big thick big thick seams of [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► coal and we remind those and we sent it [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► guess where San Francisco no kidding we [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► sent our coal and our lumber to San [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► Francisco and that was what made Seattle [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► an economic powerhouse in the early [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► years they say that all of San Francisco [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► pre-fire was built with Washington [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► lumber oh my goodness and then you [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► burned it all down with your dumb you [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► know Mary's cow tipping over a bucket of [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► fire whatever the hell that was well i [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► guess it was an earthquake yeah mrs. [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► O'Leary's earthquake mrs. O'Leary's [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► earthquake but uh but so there are still [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► coal mines just right to the east of [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► town we one of our favorite hiking spots [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► is up on coal creek road and you can [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► still there still [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► mine shafts there and the smell of like [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► underground coal comes up and there's a [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► place called flaming geyser State Park [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► which a guy was drilling a hole to see [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► if there was any coal down there and um [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► and then a bunch of gas started escaping [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► a line like come coming up out of his [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► hole so of course you know he's a guy [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► what's he gonna do make a fart joke he [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► sets it on fire oh jeez Louise well I'd [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► imagine like let's see what happens if I [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► like this and then like old faithful but [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► with fire yeah so up out of the ground [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► came up came not bubble and crude but a [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► three a three-foot-tall of like tower of [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► flame and it's been burning ever since [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► are you kidding oh so they built a they [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► both look at that it's got its little [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► stone with a flame coming out of it [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► right holy how is it how is it so [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► regular though it seems like you would [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► come in dangerous pockets I think that [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► it sort of just gradually sometimes it's [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► a little higher sometimes a little lower [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► but it doesn't like it never flames like [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► okay it just kind of sits out there day [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► and night flamin it's a beautiful park [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► right next to the green river you can go [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► look at this little thing it's kind of [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► overwhelming when you get there because [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► it's like flaming geyser that sounds [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► incredible like it's gonna be 30 feet [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► tall it's about the size of a campground [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► barbecue yeah right it just looks pretty [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► it's very modest it looks like it's [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► inside of maybe a memorial park they've [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► got some some stones around it it's very [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► very modest to say the least yeah it's [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► not even more they just put some [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► somebody put some stones around it i [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► think at one point maybe because in the [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► 1950s people couldn't resist somebody [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► like opened up 14 bags of concrete and [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► built something they poured concrete [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► around it and because i couldn't because [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► a lot more brutalist yeah like I got [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► this concrete great hey I know let's go [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► put it around the flaming geyser [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► but right next to it is two ponds where [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► they where they're like farm not farm [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► but like there it's like a fishery [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► they're making trout on the waterfall [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► there this is very pretty well yeah and [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► but the thing is it's really then you go [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► up into the gorge there's a green river [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► gorge there and it's awesome just [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► completely gnarly you wouldn't even [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► think that it could be so awesome so [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► close to a big town the Black Diamond is [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► there and you can still smell the coal [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► coming out of it there's just for what [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► it's worth there appears to be a small [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► but loyal genre of people being [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► photographed next to the flaming geyser [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► and making it this is it face should [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► have done it myself yeah basically it's [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► the size of the flame is kind of like if [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► I didn't get our burner lid on the first [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► try it goes yeah that's nice and it just [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► fluffed there nobody guards it there's [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► nothing around it you can probably go [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► put a coffee can over it and snuff it [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► out pretty easily but it's been burning [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► for a hundred years and there it is [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► flaming geyser that's cool I'm a little [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► things like that but it's seriously [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► underwhelming we considering that the [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► that the natural setting of it is pretty [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► grand what's a MacGuffin right you come [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► for the guys who you stay for the tubing [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► that's right or the best if you like and [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► the huge park that's there it's one of [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► those parks that in the summer you will [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► never get in there's no place to park [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► your you know it's like just jammed [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► because the beautiful big big spacious [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► park next to the river but it's one of [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► those outdoor recreation areas where [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► 10,000 people come and only 45 people go [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► more than a hundred feet from the [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► parking sure sure sure right it's just [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► blankets get laid out barbecues get Liz [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► it like camping kind of thing yeah yeah [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► ribs get eaten and seriously 200 feet [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► away you're in a largely like natural [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► environment untampered with natural [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► environment it's like a forest primeval [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► yeah if you like I'm sure it's been [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► logged more than once but it but a long [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► time ago and now it's back to now [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► crazy forest uh and it's wonderful and [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► especially when it's when it's lightly [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► misting when it's slightly raining which [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► it often is up here it's a great place [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► to hide cuz nobody's there magic it's [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► yeah it's just it's so magic huh it's [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► kind of as mad it's magic like um like [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► being in California after the drought is [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► lifted I mean it's a small thing that it [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► was nice it's not a small thing it's an [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► enormous thing like you guys are now all [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► uh you got a little like a reprieve from [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► your um your death from thirst you were [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► you were all there was like millions of [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► people on the verge of thirst death [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► there's thurston that still happen I [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► mean like places like Bakersfield still [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► I mean it's no Flint but things are not [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► great there I mean it's there she just [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► here like you know California reports [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► stories on stuff like you know where [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► it's actually cheaper to buy pop at a [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► you know convenience store than water [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► it's like it's just it's so depressing [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► um I have a question for you though but [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► here's bill was never that great let's [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► beyond well the music's nice we that i [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► would say about the campground we stayed [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► at in Bakersfield I feel like I probably [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► did I don't think you know when you when [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► you're when you're picking a place to go [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► you're not always aware of the exact [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► surroundings and my lady playing out [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► this really nice trip for us is probably [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► out of ten fifteen years ago at this [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► point but included a stop in Bakersfield [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► i think was is that is that on the way [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► is that one of the on the ways to yeah [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► that's one of the on the ways to los [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► angeles right sort oh I mean it's down [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► there but you would have to be going [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► through fresno you haven't eat vine and [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► all that stuff yeah i mean you could pop [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► over there but in any way i remember it [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► was enroute to somewhere else we want to [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► not do the whole drive in one day so [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► this is not particularly interesting but [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► we ended up stopping at like a like a [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► KOA and we got in what's called a cozy [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► cabin with 2 k's and a cozy cabin I was [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► like this is great we're gonna stop it's [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► you know they've got a place there they [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► got it they got a bathroom you know they [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► got like a little shop and then you go [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► to your cozy cabin and number one the [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► cozy cabin was sort of like this is more [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► of a warm weather climate thing but you [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► know in Florida a lot of people have a [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► shed in the backyard that's hot and full [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► of bees it's like a step above that it's [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► like there's [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► like cots there's like you know bunk [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► beds in this thing but it's pretty well [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► weighted it that let me just get back to [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► Florida shed of bees yeah is that is it [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► full of bees on purpose movies because [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► they they just haven't been in there in [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► a while well I think it started not [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► being on purpose and eventually just [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► became a way of life you know you got [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► there ok we got the madwoman in the [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► Attic he got the bees on the shed uh so [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► create crazy crazy camp also we should [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► come back to Don Rickles um so yeah so [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► that was okay it was fine it wasn't [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► particularly comfortable but a it was [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► right next to the highway that we had [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► just gotten off of so it was [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► particularly as rustic as the cabin was [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► the setting was not that great the other [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► thing we discovered it was like just [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► past the highway was a regional airport [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► so not only did you get the 18-wheelers [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► going by but the occasional plane just [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► going straight over your head literally [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► all night long never have this kind of [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► harrowing nights those kind of harrowing [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► like this is just going to go on whether [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► that's maybe that's mosquitoes or maybe [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► that's a light source or something just [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► one of those this is going to be an [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► inescapable night we just need to get [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► through it was one of those nights yeah [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► those are the best one thing we had were [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► nights at another night camping our air [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► mattress deflated and we did not realize [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► that we were camped on top of the roots [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► of a tree and we didn't realize until [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► the mattress deflated oh my god you know [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► like this problem with deflating [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► mattresses I know you're all the [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► deflated mattress problems with the [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► bands I do know about them but that is [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► the worst when you when you realize like [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► oh you know what it's only 10 15 p.m. [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► that dog is in a bark all night I feel [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► ya this is already the worst night of my [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► life of him and it can only go one [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► direction from here Carl are you know [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► well in the I mean might the one of one [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► of my signature worst nights was a night [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► in Hungary where as soon as I turned off [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► the light beak the clacking of the [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► gigantic roaches Oh God uh was was loud [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► enough that I could not get to sleep [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► from the clacking oh that end this [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► eldritch horror yeah and then I would [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► turn the light on and I would go to war [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► these giant roaches uh until it was just [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► Roach just bit was just a pure carnage [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► it was like at the armenia of roaches [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► and I'm sorry sorry sorry that I'm sorry [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► that just called Armenia here's the [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► things you never go up against the [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► sicilian when death is on the line and [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► you never go to war with roaches uh-oh [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► they mocking the clacking is a whole [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► Alaska and then I turned off the lights [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► and I was like listen you know I just [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► need to you know just need to get with [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► my happy place I need to just get into a [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► zone with God here yeah the clacking [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► like I did not make the roaches the [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► roaches are here sharing the world with [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► me I am you know kumbaya and then a [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► roach fell off the ceiling onto me uh [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► like Haun to my head area and I was like [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► okay and that's not a nice Florida thing [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► is you just wake up with roaches on you [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► sometimes yeah just because they're [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► everywhere people don't call them [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► roaches they call them water bugs yeah [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► we're Potter metal bugs that doesn't [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► make them feel nicer yeah up here in the [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► northwest we don't have them every once [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► in a while I think a boat would come in [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► from afar from low far form locale and [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► it would drop off some weird little [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► brown chairman roaches uh but you know [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► like I've lived in this house for ten [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► years I've never seen a road trip I [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► roaches it like the little critters [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► right yeah the ones that kind of live in [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► them I don't know where they live say [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► living little sinks and stuff the ones [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► in florida i haven't of florida are like [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► a couple inches long and well over half [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► an inch wide and you can fly I lived in [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► Washington DC for a while and saw them [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► pouring out of places it's just like [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► this sorry now you can dance you get [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► ants and you get spiders that's your [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► that's your too big critters right ants [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► and spiders are big critters we get like [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► little thing we could like weird potato [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► bugs and stink bugs and stuff but [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► they're not they don't cause anybody [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► problems we get mods this Banette like [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► bananas moms [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► just getting a little bit of commentary [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► kids feedback little side commentary [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► here um uh yeah just little like they're [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► gentler a lot of bugs in the ground that [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► are busy like churning there we have a [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► lot of churning bugs turning turning the [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► the earth into that deep black earth [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► that we like to that we formerly farmed [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► and now build distribution centers on [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► black diamond black diamond Washington [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► oh so I was driving on this road I [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► finally got up onto this Ridge and I was [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► like I'm gonna conquer this Ridge I have [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► no idea what this is up here I've never [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► heard it referenced by anybody there's [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► only one person I know in the entire I [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► think the entire world that even has a [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► chance of having really explored up here [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► and that's my friend Chad who has been [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► on every Road in in I don't know from [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► Canada to Mexico but even he has never [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► referenced it and it's just this giant [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► this giant bridge that goes I mean for [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► seriously from puyallup to tukwila if [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► you will really two of the two of the [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► hardest to pronounce cities in the area [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► I couldn't spell as if I tried puyallup [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► in tukwila and this this is like it's a [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► giant but basically a mountain that goes [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► from bill up to talk well I'd never been [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► on so I get up on this thing and I start [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► to drive and I realize why I've never [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► been on it and no one has is that it is [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► it's a it's completely suburban eyes and [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► there are no connecting north-south [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► roads all the roads are east west and if [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► you want to go north south what you do [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► is you go two blocks and then you take a [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► left and you go left for a block and [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► then you go south again for four blocks [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► and then you take a right and go three [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► more blocks like it's seriously there's [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► not a single arterial there's one Road [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► called military road that kind of goes [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► diagonal but but it's not very effective [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► and going like this and so I'm driving [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► through this neighborhood and it's this [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► weird conglomeration of like [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► well there were houses up here back when [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► it was farm country and then there were [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► some houses built that when it was first [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► suburban eyes dan den now they're [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► McMansions going in implausibly on [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► streets that have otherwise have 60 [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► split-level homes and now that are this [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► giant McMansion just I could not I could [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► not couldn't like find a center to this [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► place and I come around the corner and [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► there's a playground and at the very [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► back of the playground are three [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► concrete handball courts huh of the [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► style that they that used to be on [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► playgrounds everywhere you remember in [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► the in the 70s like handball courts I do [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► the funny part of my handball is I [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► remember handball courts always being [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► around and never being used for handball [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► you might eventually get used for kind [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► of an outside air SATs racquetball yes [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► yeah I have never seen a living soul [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► play handball on an outdoor handball [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► court that wasn't in New York City right [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► I figure it was like stickball I figured [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► something a couple did couple kids did a [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► few times in the 30's and nobody's not a [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► sense and and and there really was as [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► they were building those giant municipal [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► like playgrounds during the era of all [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► right what i think of as being the late [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► 60s early 70s the the the crest of the [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► social engineering wave where it's like [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► we're going to create outdoor space for [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► healthy youth and you know we're gonna [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► beat the Soviets to the moon and we're [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► gonna yes we're health and sports we're [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► going to build big sporty sport areas [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► and they put handball courts in and [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► maybe on the opening day some people [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► played handball and then the rest of the [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► time it was just where you went to smoke [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► pot right in my [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► head I'm gonna say remember the [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► kerfuffle in the early 80s when I don't [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► even know this is exactly precisely [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► right but there were changes odd what [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► was that oh there's so many kerfuffles [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► uh under the Reagan administration it is [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► said that in school lunches catch-up was [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► reclassified as a vegetable in order to [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► meet a basic requirement of some kind [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► that was we did the basic level this is [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► awful but it was basically the idea was [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► that it was there it was a little bit of [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► a hack to like be able to tick a box I [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► think that's what handball is you think [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► about everything out there including i'm [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► going to say basketball what is the [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► maybe besides what foursquare and [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► hopscotch what is the least what's gonna [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► have the least need for maintenance I'm [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► gonna say I'm gonna say a right angle [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► mm-hmm you know right you know you don't [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► know what the way you know it's a budget [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► a teacher for it look you don't need to [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► replace a net that's right that's right [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► there's no net yeah uh there's an [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► elementary school over here by my house [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► and it's you know old-style late fifties [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► elementary school and it has like a lot [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► of the elementary schools like the one [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► the one that I went to when I was a kid [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► it has such an enormous amount of land [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► surrounding it there is a full-sized [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► olympic-sized soccer field and a [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► full-sized baseball diamond associated [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► with this what is an elementary school [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► right so when's the last time you saw [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► elementary kids playing baseball um you [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► know that's it's not a thing that people [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► do anymore there's only most places you [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► have one filled with a track around and [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► everything that can be done on the field [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► is done there and then you run around [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► the track and that's it and that's that [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► one the one footprint of athleticism at [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► most modern schools I think yeah right a [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► track around the field but this is that [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► you know in the 50s and land was just [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► was cheap huge playground and I go over [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► there all the time i used to go there [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► when Gibson was alive and taking walk [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► him around it's just on my it's on my [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► like walk circuit my kid and I go over [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► to the playground there sometimes [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► and this enormous field is never used by [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► anyone like no one's even playing [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► frisbee on it Wow somebody comes in [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► moe's it but I have never seen I would [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► go throw the stick for the dog and every [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► once in a while somebody else would be [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► walking from one corner of it to the [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► other corner of it like there was a kind [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► of shortcut through the neighborhood but [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► not even enough of a shortcut where a [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► trail had been beaten down in the middle [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► of the field sure because there's no no [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► one actually wants to go from that side [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► to the other side there's not there's [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► nothing either place and so I would I'd [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► be out on this field and I'm just like I [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► could be launching model rockets from [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► here I could have organized I mean there [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► are so many intramural soccer teams [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► around the city who are trying to book [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► time at one of the five like soccer [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► fields that are on their registration or [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► card or whatever yeah you could you can [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► completely colonize these spaces if you [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► wanted to start an RC modeling club or [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► wanted to I don't know play Ultimate [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► Frisbee I mean they're just fields all [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► over town why you think they're not [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► getting used I because I think people [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► aren't getting outside maybe and also [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► like schools don't um I mean I think if [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► you tried to organize a baseball team we [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► used to have rock and roll softball up [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► on Capitol Hill was different bars would [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► play each other but I don't know like [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► when was the last time you saw a group [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► of people just playing a pickup baseball [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► game you don't see that a lot there are [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► some semi organized adults like so many [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► adults some semi organized adults that [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► play softball in our parks sometimes our [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► Park is mainly used its heavily [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► segmented into different areas and used [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► for like two or three kids soccer games [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► at once when was the last time you saw a [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► flag football game oh god probably when [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► I was in high school or a movie [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► yeah yeah I I played flag football a [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► couple of times in college in the late [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► 80s and I have not seen or heard of [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► flight football sense and and and maybe [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► it's that we don't live in Montana and [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► maybe people maybe like grown-up people [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► are playing for but think about those [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► pictures of the Kennedy brothers at [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► Kennebunkport yeah they weren't in [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► Kennebunkport they were at diana's I am [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► I am sport right but they're out there [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► throwing footballs around in their front [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► yard and they were all full grown men [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► yeah and I haven't you know I haven't [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► even had a football in my hands you [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► should write a medium post on this [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► because I think there is something to [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► this I think I saw a couple articles [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► this week that are going around about [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► teenagers and how they spend their money [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► that was very interesting that amongst [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► other things supposed supposedly [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► teenagers are spending yeah the [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► millenniums they're spending a lot less [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► money on things like clothes and more [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► money on food and events and when we [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► were that age man you poured as much [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► money as you could in a closed yeah but [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► he's better cared about events and [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► they're not you know they're not buying [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► handballs let's be honest yeah yeah well [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► events events used to take care of [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► themselves am i right oh my goodness [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► they sure did self-organizing yeah i [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► read an interesting thing that said [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► millenniums uh millenniums of far from [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► being a monolithic demographic [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► millenniums much to the much to the [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► demographers surprise are much more [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► likely to think that the woman should [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► stay home and take care of my god this [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► they talked about this on double X [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► gabfest I was very surprised to hear [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► that do you have it give a record on why [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► that is uh I think it may be it may just [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► be that generations react to the world [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► in which they came up you know if you [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► think about obviously I'm fond of [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► talking about the the boomers and what a [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► what an execrable you know like awful [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► experience the world has suffered under [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► their leadership but when you think [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► about the boomers and their and their [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► identity their cultural identity as [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► understood by everyone when they were [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► between the ages of 16 and 26 right we [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► all thought that the boomers were [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► anti-war music-loving pot-smoking [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► free-loving uh like progressive people [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► who were tearing down the walls and [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► building a building an advanced new [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► society and by the time they were in [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► their 30s they were Reagan sort of [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► Reagan Democrats who were who were [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► investing in the stock market and going [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► great gangbusters and now the exact same [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► generation it makes up the Trump [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► universe and it's like the you know the [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► boomers are not monolithic and they [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► react they react to their time and and i [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► think the millenniums are probably tired [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► of being called millenniums first of all [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► yes and also there's no such thing as [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► Bernie Bros we should all we should all [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► know others are all bots right yeah well [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► are the spots if Hillary invented it [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► it's racist basically to use the term oh [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► that's that's very offensive to the [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► Bernie bros when you call them Bernie [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► bros yeah well that's the thing they [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► don't exist so take it home culturally [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► insensitive John I think so I think it's [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► appropriate of em but but so right now I [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► think you've got a lot of millenniums [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► that were probably raised there probably [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► educated in public schools where the [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► platform the education platform was [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► developed by people who went to college [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► in the early 90s and the kids are tired [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► of being lectured at and they want a [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► return to some kind of traditional thing [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► that never actually existed but what [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► they imagined did [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► well that's true that's true for me too [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► no parent I'll parrot what I heard on [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► that podcast which is very good podcast [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► slates double X gabfest um but what one [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► of their what are they reckons that a [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► couple angles one is that this is a one [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► thing that makes this particular study I [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► forget the name in source of it but one [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► thing that makes this particular study [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► so valuable is that it's been around for [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► a very long time and they've asked this [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► a particular study the study from which [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► we learned how many millenniums uh [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► seemed to one stay-at-home wives two men [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► ok this is a very long like well I want [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► to say longitudinal I don't know if [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► that's quite the word but this has been [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► going on for a long time like every year [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► they asked this something like what 20 [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► 30 40 years they've been asking these [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► same questions to the same age people so [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► in some ways it's very effective but in [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► other words maybe not so I'm not sure [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► exactly how it was worded but it could [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► also be a backlash type situation or a [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► nut backlash that's a loaded term but [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► yeah maybe it's black backlash but it's [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► also probably yeah you want stability [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► you know when when suddenly you went [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► from like everybody you knew had parents [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► that were married to everybody knew had [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► parents that were divorced you know [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► let's seem like that it's just normal no [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► just you know what I mean and like maybe [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► there's a desire for I don't saying it's [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► right but that could be where it comes [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► from I wondered you do you did you have [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► mostly kids whose parents were still [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► married or mostly kids whose parents [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► were divorced when you were growing up [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► nicely mostly married and I think that [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► had something to do with raised [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► middle-class status but also that we [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► were church people there weren't that [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► many divorced people at our church did [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► you read that article in the Atlantic [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► magazine about the about the fact that [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► that people on both sides of the [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► political spectrum are going to church [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► less and that conservative people who [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► actually still go to church tend to be [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► more accepting of different races tend [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► to be more you know like less [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► politically radical and more um seeking [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► you know like a kind of saying Christian [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► values Christian values right and [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► they're saying that what's what what [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► people expected [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► was that you know the the tendency in [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► the past even until recent memory even I [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► think now is to mistake radical like [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► reactionary conservativism and racism [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► and all that stuff to associate that [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► with evangelicalism but in fact it's not [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► true as and so that so when we would [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► read statistics about like people [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► becoming secularized fewer and fewer [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► people going to church we always made [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► the mistake of thinking that that was [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► going to produce a more like a like a [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► more progressive society because we we [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► naively thought that leaving the church [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► meant that you left it because you were [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► what becoming more evolved but in fact [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► people are leaving the church and just [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► descending into a like a like a miasma [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► of their worst impulses and the people [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► that go to like they sow 75% of Trump [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► voters considered themselves Christian [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► but did not go to church and that this [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► then I think a very very large [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► proportion of people that did go to [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► church vote for Ted Cruz and and and you [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► know Trump they can they held their nose [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► this is is an article called breaking [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► faith yeah okay and then likewise on the [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► left right the churchgoers all voted for [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► Hillary and the non churchgoers people [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► that didn't go to church overwhelmingly [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► voted for Bernie especially to the [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► church yeah and yeah and you head to the [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► outside is what happens you get more [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► extreme than less it just also depends [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► on how you want to slice the cake you [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► know I mean or it's almost it is a kind [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► of political political gerrymandering I [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► guess that sounds really obvious but it [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► depends on how you choose to like cut up [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► these sections and you know what pieces [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► how far until it basically becomes like [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► some kind of crazy fractal because well [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► sure a lot of people who go to church [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► voted for Hillary Clinton cuz a lot of [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► black people vote of raillery Clinton [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► and a lot of I think still you know [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► amongst Democrat [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► to go to church I bet there's a pretty [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► good chance a lot of them we're going to [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► vote for Hillary Clinton a lot of them [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► maybe you're in unions am I being too [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► broad here I mean that kind of support [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► seems pretty straightforward the [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► Republican candidate support is a much [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► more complicated thing and I that the [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► idea that these are people who consider [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► themselves Christians with don't go to [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► church that does not surprise me a bit [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► mmhmm yeah well it's the old like [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► traditional values thing of like what [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► what tradition what tradition exactly [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► what traditional values yeah right but [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► no I do feel like the the idea the idea [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► that the church was the source of [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► intolerance was a very popular such a [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► sampling error total sampling error I [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► mean it's it's the loudest the loudest [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► loudmouths are those people and like [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► it's it's big it's a constant annoyance [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► of mind it's not popular in my [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► particular community to have any [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► tolerance not for religious or spiritual [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► thinking mostly but like I it's very [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► frustrating to me that everybody who's [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► spiritual or religious or deist in any [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► way is is not I might be doing my own [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► strong man here but I feel like there is [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► very much like a bozo a bit thing where [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► people just write that whole group off [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► as a bunch of nut sounds like ah it's so [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► unfortunate because so many of the best [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► people I know and have known my whole [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► life are very faithful service oriented [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► humans it's it's a really it's a pity [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► that they get tarred with that same [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► brush well and I just wonder what I [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► wonder if they're like the idea that [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► that secularism was the goal that we [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► were that we were aspiring to a world [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► dominated by reason and that reason [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► would produce the reason inevitably [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► produced altruistic action you know that [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► whole question that you that you hear a [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► lot in in debates on 4chan [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► which is if there's no God then why be [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► good you know and i think that i think [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► that uh secular people always assumed [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► that you know that they that that a [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► world of reason produces people who [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► behave if not if not like well i guess [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► this is the problem right if if you [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► believe in a vengeful god or in ultimate [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► like a an afterlife your justification [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► for being good is self-evident if you [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► believe in a sort of a rational [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► scientific base life also your desire to [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► be good or your rationale for being good [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► is self-evident but but much more [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► difficult to describe in a sentence [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► right i mean and it isn't just like [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► selecting for the best possible outcome [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► it kind of goes hand in hand with being [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► it kind of goes hand in hand with being [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► educated and understanding collectivism [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► and sort of etcetera etc but how what a [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► surprise that we would be in at a [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► juncture now so soon after that so soon [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► so soon after I mean I was educated to [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► believe that and within my own [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► generation to be in a position where I'm [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► like longing for the days that most [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► Americans went to church and had and had [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► a weekly reminder to be good to each [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► other a weekly reminder that because [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► what they were saying is that people in [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► church are less likely to be racist [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► because they understand that we're all [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► brothers in Christ oh yeah right there's [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► much more likely to see that logic [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► weekly reminder to be kind and weekly [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► reminded up to be grateful weekly [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► reminder to sing weekly reminder to put [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► on a suit I mean there's a little a lot [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► of a lot of good secondary effects uh [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► you just broke down some serious science [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► on me right there but then a weekly a [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► weekly reminder to put on a suit a [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► weekly reminder to sing yeah a weekly [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► reminder to gather together in a fucking [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► Hut somewhere yeah a big house into the [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► big house and when that's when that's [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► missing sure why don't we all just [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► become as you know like as gross and [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► grubby as we can there's no we don't all [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► have to stand on the steps shake the [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► minister's hand and say loved your [TS]

01:01:35 ◼   ► sermon this week or have him say haven't [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► seen you in a couple of weeks like wow [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► how is that replaceable Merlin well it's [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► it's definitely an interesting thing in [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► San Francisco where I don't know if [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► you're aware there are a lot of people [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► of different sexualities gender [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► assignments you name it and like there's [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► like not too far from where I live [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► there's this big giant purple lesbian [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► church like it's just a big old church [TS]

01:02:03 ◼   ► where everybody's welcome but you're [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► especially welcome if you're a lady who [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► likes ladies and they're very vocal and [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► they're very religious but they're also [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► very lesbian and like that's [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► there we are fortunate to have a lot of [TS]

01:02:15 ◼   ► places even still I don't wanna get into [TS]

01:02:19 ◼   ► San Francisco but but the people worship [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► but do they worship but Jesus based [TS]

01:02:23 ◼   ► religion where is it more of a like a [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► yoni based no well I don't you know I [TS]

01:02:28 ◼   ► don't think so i must like just see it [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► on the way to the grocery store [TS]

01:02:30 ◼   ► sometimes but you know there's a fair [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► amount of that in our neighborhood there [TS]

01:02:33 ◼   ► are a lot as you can probably guess for [TS]

01:02:35 ◼   ► some reason there seems to be a lot of [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► attraction amongst I didn't let's put it [TS]

01:02:40 ◼   ► this way there's enough Chinese people [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► who are Baptists to have several [TS]

01:02:43 ◼   ► churches there's there's a fair amount [TS]

01:02:45 ◼   ► of Protestant like just down the street [TS]

01:02:47 ◼   ► like really two blocks from here there's [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► a mostly Chinese attended Christian [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► Church there's like a fair amount of [TS]

01:02:54 ◼   ► them around they're not huge some of the [TS]

01:02:57 ◼   ► mushroom that my next-door neighbors are [TS]

01:02:59 ◼   ► Vietnamese Catholics and they have very [TS]

01:03:01 ◼   ► strange ceremonies in the yard sometimes [TS]

01:03:03 ◼   ► oh yeah no that's not the people who [TS]

01:03:05 ◼   ► sing is it is that the carrier you know [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► that's the people those are the people [TS]

01:03:10 ◼   ► across the way who are a very i'm not [TS]

01:03:14 ◼   ► sure what their religion is in its and [TS]

01:03:16 ◼   ► it gives me it gives me pause struggling [TS]

01:03:20 ◼   ► well you know this is I I don't want to [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► secularize this too much but you know [TS]

01:03:25 ◼   ► first of all yeah you know there's lots [TS]

01:03:26 ◼   ► of ways that you could end up having the [TS]

01:03:28 ◼   ► equivalent of church once a week for [TS]

01:03:29 ◼   ► some people maybe that's going to AAA or [TS]

01:03:31 ◼   ► for other people maybe the small number [TS]

01:03:33 ◼   ► people who still bowl or whatever it is [TS]

01:03:34 ◼   ► but the community aspect of that I i [TS]

01:03:37 ◼   ► sorely miss the community aspect of [TS]

01:03:39 ◼   ► going to church um it was really really [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► just the best to be a little kid where [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► there were just endless events and just [TS]

01:03:47 ◼   ► super nice people and eating together [TS]

01:03:49 ◼   ► and that was just it was it was almost I [TS]

01:03:52 ◼   ► don't know I mean like you wanted to go [TS]

01:03:54 ◼   ► it was it was of course you know he [TS]

01:03:56 ◼   ► didn't want to get dressed on a Sunday [TS]

01:03:58 ◼   ► morning it was kind of a pain but like [TS]

01:03:59 ◼   ► it was a part of what we did but with [TS]

01:04:02 ◼   ► that said I mean this is another nice [TS]

01:04:03 ◼   ► thing about I San Francisco maybe this [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► goes on a Capitol Hill but like when a [TS]

01:04:07 ◼   ► lot of gay people start to come in here [TS]

01:04:09 ◼   ► or we're out gay people starting really [TS]

01:04:12 ◼   ► in the 60s and 70s when everybody moved [TS]

01:04:14 ◼   ► over the hill to get away from the [TS]

01:04:16 ◼   ► heroin to what was then called Eureka [TS]

01:04:17 ◼   ► Valley that became almost like people [TS]

01:04:19 ◼   ► started forming their own families right [TS]

01:04:22 ◼   ► they there's that idea of like you can [TS]

01:04:24 ◼   ► generate your own [TS]

01:04:25 ◼   ► unity you are not stuck you don't have [TS]

01:04:27 ◼   ► to always be stuck with a community [TS]

01:04:28 ◼   ► somewhere you will find people that you [TS]

01:04:30 ◼   ► can call family and somewhere you will [TS]

01:04:32 ◼   ► find a building that might as well be a [TS]

01:04:34 ◼   ► church zoms but I you know the thing is [TS]

01:04:36 ◼   ► I feel like we're going to get a lot of [TS]

01:04:38 ◼   ► letters from people that are like try [TS]

01:04:39 ◼   ► Unitarianism have you ever been to the [TS]

01:04:41 ◼   ► have you ever been to the theosophist [TS]

01:04:44 ◼   ► society or whatever yeah and I and I [TS]

01:04:46 ◼   ► think what's interesting about the the [TS]

01:04:49 ◼   ► church as the other role of the church [TS]

01:04:52 ◼   ► is that it wasn't optional you know [TS]

01:04:55 ◼   ► we're I think there are a lot of there [TS]

01:04:58 ◼   ► are a lot of opportunities for people [TS]

01:05:00 ◼   ► that are that they'll feel like they [TS]

01:05:04 ◼   ► want that in their lives to find a find [TS]

01:05:07 ◼   ► a thing that suits them right whether [TS]

01:05:09 ◼   ► it's a big purple church or whether it's [TS]

01:05:10 ◼   ► Zoroastrianism or whether it's a or [TS]

01:05:15 ◼   ► whatever but what was so important about [TS]

01:05:19 ◼   ► the old church was that there was all [TS]

01:05:22 ◼   ► that social pressure which we now [TS]

01:05:24 ◼   ► consider to be you know we are now [TS]

01:05:29 ◼   ► liberated from right no there's no [TS]

01:05:31 ◼   ► longer cultural expectation that you can [TS]

01:05:33 ◼   ► answer the question what religion are [TS]

01:05:34 ◼   ► you yeah or that you be expected to do [TS]

01:05:37 ◼   ► anything I mean I still read articles [TS]

01:05:39 ◼   ► all the time and I read a lot of ads for [TS]

01:05:43 ◼   ► like the untucked shirt company or [TS]

01:05:47 ◼   ► whatever that still make it seem like oh [TS]

01:05:50 ◼   ► the day that we could wear our fleece [TS]

01:05:52 ◼   ► pajamas to work was a day of liberation [TS]

01:05:54 ◼   ► for us all like the great the Great [TS]

01:05:57 ◼   ► unwell I've read some articles or some [TS]

01:05:59 ◼   ► interview with Richard Branson where he [TS]

01:06:01 ◼   ► was like I never wear a tie that's a [TS]

01:06:05 ◼   ► power move that's a total power move [TS]

01:06:06 ◼   ► yeah it is and it's also it's still [TS]

01:06:09 ◼   ► business like that it's operators that [TS]

01:06:10 ◼   ► is a totally forgive my saying that is a [TS]

01:06:12 ◼   ► totally privilege Power Move to say that [TS]

01:06:14 ◼   ► and then act like everybody else is [TS]

01:06:15 ◼   ► allowed to do that well and that's but [TS]

01:06:17 ◼   ► that's his brand right but but the idea [TS]

01:06:20 ◼   ► and I said I still hear it all the time [TS]

01:06:21 ◼   ► I hear it from people whenever I say [TS]

01:06:23 ◼   ► please don't wear flip-flops on an [TS]

01:06:25 ◼   ► airplane i get twenty-five miles really [TS]

01:06:28 ◼   ► like why are you trying to intrude on my [TS]

01:06:30 ◼   ► comfort or something the and the idea [TS]

01:06:33 ◼   ► that we don't that all of these uh all [TS]

01:06:35 ◼   ► these things that we've eliminated all [TS]

01:06:37 ◼   ► the [TS]

01:06:38 ◼   ► social strictures mores what we what we [TS]

01:06:43 ◼   ► once called polite society that that was [TS]

01:06:45 ◼   ► all you know the the that now we can [TS]

01:06:50 ◼   ► dismiss like with a broad brush as again [TS]

01:06:56 ◼   ► you know you pick your intersectional [TS]

01:06:58 ◼   ► word and apply it here but in fact like [TS]

01:07:01 ◼   ► everybody in a town wit was expected to [TS]

01:07:04 ◼   ► go to church not by any higher authority [TS]

01:07:06 ◼   ► but just by their neighbors by the [TS]

01:07:07 ◼   ► general sense of of the way that those [TS]

01:07:11 ◼   ► towns were collectively organized and so [TS]

01:07:13 ◼   ► you didn't go you didn't pick your [TS]

01:07:15 ◼   ► church due to affinity you didn't say [TS]

01:07:17 ◼   ► like I'm gonna go to this church because [TS]

01:07:19 ◼   ► they because it seems fun or because i [TS]

01:07:22 ◼   ► feel like i need companionship or i need [TS]

01:07:25 ◼   ► a little bit of structure in my week you [TS]

01:07:28 ◼   ► know you went to church because you were [TS]

01:07:29 ◼   ► expected to go to church on Sunday and [TS]

01:07:30 ◼   ► you dressed in a suit because you were [TS]

01:07:31 ◼   ► expected show up correct and sound it's [TS]

01:07:35 ◼   ► like wanting to waiting for the right [TS]

01:07:36 ◼   ► DMV like well no God just got that eyes [TS]

01:07:41 ◼   ► you're don't overthink it just getting [TS]

01:07:43 ◼   ► up different there's a new zmv that [TS]

01:07:46 ◼   ► really caters to people that are just [TS]

01:07:47 ◼   ► like me except there I sit in that DMV [TS]

01:07:51 ◼   ► and that just playing music I really [TS]

01:07:53 ◼   ► relate to and somehow the idea that to [TS]

01:07:57 ◼   ► be released from any and all expectation [TS]

01:08:01 ◼   ► that you that's externally imposed so [TS]

01:08:07 ◼   ► that we can all be completely self [TS]

01:08:10 ◼   ► determining we pursue this idea for the [TS]

01:08:14 ◼   ► second half of the 20th century it [TS]

01:08:16 ◼   ► didn't even exist in the first half or [TS]

01:08:20 ◼   ► at any time prior but the idea now that [TS]

01:08:23 ◼   ► we should each of us or that the highest [TS]

01:08:26 ◼   ► stood for each of us is that we all find [TS]

01:08:29 ◼   ► exactly what we personally want we all [TS]

01:08:31 ◼   ► tailor our our RSS feed to be the news [TS]

01:08:35 ◼   ► that that appeals to us most and we each [TS]

01:08:38 ◼   ► have our own playlists and that that is [TS]

01:08:41 ◼   ► some kind of that that's the freedom [TS]

01:08:44 ◼   ► we've all been looking for and it's just [TS]

01:08:47 ◼   ► producing a like more [TS]

01:08:50 ◼   ► more fury at one another and more less [TS]

01:08:55 ◼   ► understanding less love basically yeah [TS]

01:08:58 ◼   ► and not more is I mean it's a shock I [TS]

01:09:02 ◼   ► think to us all and a shock even to me [TS]

01:09:04 ◼   ► it's a shock to the whole notion of like [TS]

01:09:07 ◼   ► that if you have universal education and [TS]

01:09:11 ◼   ► you have and you have freedom to make [TS]

01:09:18 ◼   ► art like what what that will produce is [TS]

01:09:22 ◼   ► this enlightened society and what it has [TS]

01:09:24 ◼   ► produced is is the opposite I mean and [TS]

01:09:30 ◼   ► what point do we stop and take stock and [TS]

01:09:32 ◼   ► say we I mean you know none of us want [TS]

01:09:36 ◼   ► one structure imposed upon us well it [TS]

01:09:40 ◼   ► did to me it's part of what makes the [TS]

01:09:42 ◼   ► idea of a personal DMV so funny is like [TS]

01:09:44 ◼   ► that's not what the DMV is for is [TS]

01:09:46 ◼   ► particularly not that it's an economies [TS]

01:09:47 ◼   ► of scale issue and it's this an [TS]

01:09:49 ◼   ► imperfect analogy but one note I've got [TS]

01:09:52 ◼   ► at least a couple times when this topic [TS]

01:09:53 ◼   ► is come up here or elsewhere is nice a [TS]

01:09:55 ◼   ► friendly note from a often church-going [TS]

01:09:58 ◼   ► life life life long church-going person [TS]

01:10:01 ◼   ► saying you know this isn't really that [TS]

01:10:03 ◼   ► complicated like while instead of like [TS]

01:10:05 ◼   ► sitting here and making continuous [TS]

01:10:07 ◼   ► continued a list of like what your [TS]

01:10:08 ◼   ► perfect church needs to be why don't you [TS]

01:10:10 ◼   ► just try going to a different church [TS]

01:10:11 ◼   ► like one just even if you're not a [TS]

01:10:13 ◼   ► church-going person just try going to a [TS]

01:10:15 ◼   ► church in your neighborhood like find a [TS]