00:00:33 ◼ ► important things like me driving my dads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/33">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► that's that's a good idea what about um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/38">TS</a>]
00:00:39 ◼ ► I was wondering John do we have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/39">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► follow-up we actually do not actually do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/42">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► it is only the morse only two oh okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/46">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► bark bark the timestamp kids it's only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/52">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► two items in it by my clock were seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/55">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► and a half minutes into the call so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/58">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► after follow-up we can also talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/60">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► t-shirts I suppose okay dad wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/61">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► kick us off dad can't we just eat her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/67">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► support I all snark aside we should get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/72">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► through the follow-up it shouldn't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/74">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► very long hopefully all right last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/75">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► we talked for the second time about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/78">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► PFS filename encoding and you wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/81">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► think there would be more to say about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/84">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► it and yet here we are to talk about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/85">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► for the third possibly fourth are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/88">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► serious yes because Apple has posted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/90">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► official documentation on their website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/93">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► answering the question hey what's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/96">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► deal with thought Lima coating on a PFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/100">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► and so to summarize and this is a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/102">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► bit weirder than I would have expected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/105">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► they say a PFS has case sensitive in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/107">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► case insensitive variants we kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/110">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► assume that would be the case but really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/112">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► here you go they set it right out right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/114">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► the case insensitive variant of a PFS is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/115">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► normalization sensitive which is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/120">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► weird like that basically if you send it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/123">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► a file name normalized however the hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/126">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► normalization the a PFS will preserve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/129">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► sensitive this is the case insensitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/136">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► variant it's not normalization sensitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/138">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► in that if you try to look something up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/139">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► and you say hey do you have a file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/141">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► called cafe with little yo with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/142">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► accent and my reading of this is that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/144">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► normalization you want and it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/149">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► matter what normalization it is in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/151">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► file system it will find it because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/152">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► sensitive but it preserves what you give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/157">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► it really confusing so anyway we'll have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/160">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► a case-insensitive variant of this on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/163">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► the mac and do some tests to see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/165">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► the deal is but the case sensitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/166">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► variant is both normalization preserving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/168">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► and normalization sensitive so that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/170">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► straightforward it's the case sensitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/172">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► on iOS is just exactly what we said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/174">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► takes what you give it and that's it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/178">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► they do clarify here file names and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/179">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► PFS are encoded in utf-8 and aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/182">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► normalized so it wants you so it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/185">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► as if you read a directory structure and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/189">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► a P of s and user I have no idea what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/190">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► encoding this is assuming everybody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/192">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► following the rules and I'm not sure if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/193">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► this is enforced at the file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/195">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► level or not they all have to be utf-8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/196">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► and the file system itself is not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/199">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► to take your utf-8 string and normalize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/203">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► it like H of S Plus that it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/205">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► whatever you give it in your GF 8 that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/207">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► what it's going to stick in the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/208">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► system both variants will do that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/209">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► it's interesting that they're saying you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/211">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► know no utf-16 no utf-32 know anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/213">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► like that I suppose if you use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/216">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► lowest level API as you could just jam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/219">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► would have that you wanted into there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/221">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► but they're they're documented here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/222">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► utf-8 and they compared with the HFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/224">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► plus which has all of its weird rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/227">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► and they say that in Mac OS 10 12 for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/228">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► the apos Developer Preview was updated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/234">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► to include the case insensitive variant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/236">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► so this is the first time the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/238">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► insensitive area native API fuss has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/239">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► been available in any version of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/241">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► operating system and an iOS of course in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/244">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► 10 3 we get the case sensitive variant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/247">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► and they give some advice for avoiding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/248">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► bugs I bet there will be wwc sessions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/251">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► about this exact issue because I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/253">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► it's going to come up a lot they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/256">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► you to use the high level API is they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/257">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► want you use NS file manager nsurl and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/259">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► they want you to use the filesystem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/261">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► representation property of nsurl we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/262">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► in creating an opening files with lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/265">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► level filesystem API is like the POSIX [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/267">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► tough so there are high level API is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/269">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► give you you know a character buffer or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/272">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► whatever to feed into the lower level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/275">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► documentation on it it's still pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/279">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► weird this is definitely a case where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/280">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► we're going to need to see a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/282">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► sample code and a lot of sort of best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/283">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► practices and Andy patterns and still I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/286">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► believe when the when the Mac operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/289">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► preview version as operating system we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/294">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► which are on our applications are making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/296">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► assumptions that no longer hold in an a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/299">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► PFS world as they slowly break i'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/301">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► bet on adobe i don't know about you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/303">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► I think that's a pretty safe bet oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/305">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► goodness all right we should do a quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/308">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► bit of follow-up and talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/311">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► situation report for WOD see we spoke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/314">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► last episode marco was one hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/317">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► percent dedicated two layers which as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/319">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► far as i know is still had that still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/321">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► has availability so you might want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/323">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► check that out john and i had put our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/324">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► names in the hat for WWDC john did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/326">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► win the lottery and win the opportunity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/331">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► to give Apple sixteen hundred dollars of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/333">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► your money I did I'm a winner Oh Brad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/335">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► congratulations I was are excited yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/338">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► remember the interminable wait in years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/341">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► past for you know when other people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/345">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► getting their emails and this time I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/346">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► distracted enough that about time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/348">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► looked at my email there it was success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/350">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► very happy delightful I also won the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/352">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► lottery this year which is very exciting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/355">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► because I did not win the lottery last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/357">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► year so I will also be at WABC which I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/359">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► very very excited about before we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/363">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► asked since all three of us will be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/366">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► town we are not going to do a live in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/368">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► front of people ATP we never really have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/373">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► the closest thing we came was when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/376">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► were on the talk show we don't do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/378">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► because even though some of us would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/381">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► enjoy doing so absolutely zero of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/385">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► three of us want to have anything to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/388">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► with planning it and so that is why it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/390">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► not happening but all three of us will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/392">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► be in town I'm sure we'll talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/394">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► this more before the on the episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/396">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► before WV DC but if you see us please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/399">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► say hi we always enjoy it we may not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/402">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► able to talk for very long depending on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/403">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► the situation but we always enjoyed if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/405">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► thoughts about wdc kids no good talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/408">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► everybody where are your ATP shirts yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/411">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► well oh and where your ATP shirts it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/414">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► high-five hug or some other interaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/417">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► from at least me if no one else if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/419">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► spot an ATP shirt and if i remember i'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/422">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► have some ATP stickers printed which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/425">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► i'll probably forget but if i remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/427">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► in a t-shirt you're getting a sticker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/430">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► and then finally on a very very brief [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/431">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► but somber note I just wanted to quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/435">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► recognize that a member of our community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/437">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► Jason Seifer who was a fellow podcaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/440">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► a ruby developer and for a long time a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/442">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► teacher treehouse passed away unexpected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/445">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► and unexpectedly tragically over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/448">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► weekend and I just wanted to acknowledge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/451">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► that and say that that I know I'm in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/454">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► everyone the three of us are very sad to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/458">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► hear and we were really bummed about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/461">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► forthcoming episode of analog that won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/465">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► be out until the weekends are probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/466">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► several days after this episode but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/468">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► we're really bummed out and we're really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/470">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► sad about it and we just wanted to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/473">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► a pause to to say that all right big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/475">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► week a little bit think it's been some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/480">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► things have happened so this morning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/483">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► there appears to have been some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/487">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► an embargo that had dropped about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/489">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► meeting that happens sometimes I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/492">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► in the last day or two with regard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/494">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► the mac pro of all things yeah i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/498">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► who had this on the bingo card for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/501">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► week right like that certainly certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/503">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► not me oh my god this this was a quite a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/504">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► big surprise a pleasant surprise but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/508">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► certainly a sizable one yeah so there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/511">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► were a handful of people that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/515">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► invited to cupertino to discuss I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/517">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► believe it was phrased as a round table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/521">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► to talk about the mac yes a small round [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/523">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► table discussion about the max so as per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/526">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► john gruber it was he matthew panzer ii [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/528">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► know lance ulanoff ena free how did I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/531">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► shoot i pronounce our own deny you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/533">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► asking the wrong people alright well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/535">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► that's right I'm so sorry if I got that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/537">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► wrong anyway and John pegs I'll ski I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/539">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► believe that's pretty close to right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/541">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► should have made somebody else read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/543">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► those names so I didn't have to anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/545">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► the the group of them went to cupertino [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/547">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► to have a roundtable discussion about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/551">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► the mac and including about the mac pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/553">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► so not even including the map i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/558">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► say it was primarily about the mac pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/561">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► interesting how they phrase this like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/564">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► come out come out to cupertino will have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/565">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► a roundtable discussion about the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/568">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► who knows what they actually told the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/570">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► people about what they're going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/572">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► but their their characterization we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/573">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► just gonna hang out we're gonna talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/575">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► about the mac a little bit right guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/576">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► and yeah like Margot said no they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/577">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► going to talk specifically about one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/582">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► particular Mac this near and dear to all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/584">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► of our hearts except for Casey and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/586">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► that's entirely what the thing was about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/588">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► but I guess they can't come out and tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/590">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► people hey fly out Cupertino so we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/591">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► tell you stuff about the mac pro they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/595">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► always want to have a little bit of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/597">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► surprise yeah I guess they did talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/598">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► about the imac I mean they talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/601">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► a lot of things because you could ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/602">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► them any questions you want it and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/603">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► they could answer them however they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/604">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► wanted but what the big takeaway from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/605">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► this and most of the headlines with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/607">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► exception of a couple that did mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/609">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► the imac we're all about the mac pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/611">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► right so I'm going to do my best to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/613">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► summarize and then I will probably get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/616">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► interrupted and that's for the best so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/618">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► let me start by meeting a little for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/620">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► little from what Gruber had written and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/622">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► he says here's how she'll or broke the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/625">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► news on the Mac Pro it's worth quoting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/626">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► him at lengths and let me now quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/628">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► Gruber quoting Schiller with regard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/630">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► the mac pro we are in the process of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/633">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► what we call completely rethinking the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/634">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► mac pro we're working on it we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/636">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► team working hard on it right now and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/639">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► want to architect it so that we can keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/640">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► it fresh with regular improvements and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/642">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► we're committed to making it our highest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/644">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► and high-throughput desktop system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/646">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► designed for are demanding pro customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/648">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► as a part of doing a new mac pro it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/650">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► by definition of modular system we will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/653">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► be doing a pro display as well john [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/654">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► siracusa it is your lucky day that's me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/657">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► not sure anyway now that would be easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/660">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► that would have been amazing yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/662">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► won't see any of those products this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/665">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► year we're in the process of that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/667">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► think it's really important to create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/668">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► something great for our pro customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/670">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► who want a mac pro modular system and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/671">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► that'll take longer than this year to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/673">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► in the interim we know that there are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/675">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► number of customers who will continue to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/676">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► buy our current mac pro's to be clear a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/678">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► current mac pro's metha needs of some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/680">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► our customers and we know that clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/682">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► not all of our customers none of this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/684">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► black and white it's wide variety of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/687">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► customers some it's the kind of system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/688">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► that they wanted others it was not in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/690">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► the meantime we're going to update the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/692">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► configs to make it faster and better for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/694">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► their dollar this is not a new model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/695">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► a new design we're just going to update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/698">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► the configs we're doing that this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/700">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► we can give you the specifics on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/702">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► the CPUs we're moving them down the line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/704">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► the GPUs down the line to get more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/706">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► performance per dollar for customers who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/708">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► do need to continue to buy them on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/709">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► in the owner in the interim until we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/711">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► a newly architected system so there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/714">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► new mac pro it is not happening in 2017 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/718">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► there is a small spec spec bump on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/721">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► happening and the fact that Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/727">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► addressing this at all I think is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/730">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► exciting and in really really good news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/733">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► i can continue to summarize but i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/735">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► at this point we should take a moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/738">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► and start talking so Marco let's start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/739">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► with you what do you think I have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/743">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► four pages of notes here where to begin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/745">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► I mean so we will get into some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/748">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► specifics but just high level overview [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/753">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► I'm incredibly happy to hear this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/755">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► is awesome because what this means you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/759">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► know for for a long time it has seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/762">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► you know the the neglect of the Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/765">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► has been going on for three years if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/767">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► actually the neglect of the mac pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/773">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► started in 2010 the the well the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/775">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► like basically in 2010 was the last new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/778">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► cheese grater revision they officially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/782">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► did one in twenty twelve but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/784">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► really the same thing with like one more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/786">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► processor option at the top end it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/788">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► actually very similar what they just did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/790">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► today but actually with it it today was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/791">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► even less because there are no new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/793">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► options but the 2012 Mac Pro really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/795">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► wasn't a thing the 2010 one was the was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/798">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► the last cheese grater update that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/801">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► mattered and if you ever seen the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/803">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► logo of our show by the way yeah it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/805">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► a cheese grater Mac Pro with a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/807">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► new label stuck on it and sarcastically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/809">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► because we were waiting for the Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/811">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► that the new mac pros to be announced at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/813">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► WABC we had been waiting for a while and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/815">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► they did announce new mac pro's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/817">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► right maybe it was like a press release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/818">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► updated not even a stage I forget but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/819">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► conceptually like technically yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/823">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► there's one new configuration is one new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/825">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► cpu that was the I think that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/827">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► very first icon this podcast ever had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/829">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► it was right and so the show was founded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/831">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► on dissatisfaction with the with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/835">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► offerings of the Mac Pro see it so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/838">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► people who dated back to the trashcan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/840">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► yeah the trashcan has had problems and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/841">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► we'll talk about that but even as far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/843">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► back in the cheese grater it seemed like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/844">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► they took everybody off the cheese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/845">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► grater and said you know we've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/847">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► steadily updating this cheese grater for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/848">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► a while you know every time there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/850">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► new cpu upgrading the GPUs every year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/851">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► just like clockwork but we're not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/854">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► to do that anymore and maybe they all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/856">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► went off to make the trash can which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/858">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► really weird and complicated or maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/859">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► they were just you know pulling back a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/861">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► little bit and slowing down the updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/863">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► again it's hard to know what goes on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/865">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► inside Apple but this phenomenon of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/866">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► Mac Pro no longer being updated steadily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/869">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► is as Marco said not a phenomenon that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/873">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► goes back to 2013 it goes all the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/876">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► back to 2010 so it's a long time exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/879">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► and so when you know clearly one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/881">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► between the 2010 one and 2013 redesign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/886">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► which was really it was announced in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/889">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► mid-2013 but it wasn't really available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/891">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► it went for sale in late December of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/893">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► 2013 and wasn't actually shipped to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/895">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► anybody until the first couple months of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/897">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► 2014 so it was you know a good three and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/899">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► a half years between like July 2010 when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/903">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► that other one came out and this new one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/905">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► I'm that was presumably because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/907">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► everything and also by the way they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/910">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► pre announced the 23rd yeah Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/913">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► mostly because we felt like or Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/914">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► felt like it like they had to because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/917">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► were waiting like what's the deal what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/919">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► the old Mac Pro you did this update and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/921">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► it was barely an update it was like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/922">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► know that you call that an update where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/925">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► is the real new Mac Pro and we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/926">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► waiting what it then seemed like such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/929">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► long time for they felt like they need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/931">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► to say at WWDC here's the new Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/933">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► ins this amazing thing we're like yay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/936">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► finally is it all by the way not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/938">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► like shipping for a long time but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/939">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► still they like why didn't they hold it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/941">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► until it was it was somewhat close to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/943">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► shipping because they felt but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/946">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► that whatever dissatisfaction there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/947">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► among that customer base they had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/949">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► reassure them by saying alright we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/951">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► going to announce a thing we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/953">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► show you the pictures of it here it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/954">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► we're going to put it in a little glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/955">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► tube outside of the Presidio at Moscone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/957">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► and so you can look at it and see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/960">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► it's a real thing but you're not getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/962">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► months but we all felt better because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/964">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► it's like well at least we know now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/966">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► the Mac Pro isn't dead that is not there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/968">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► the reason they weren't operating the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/970">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► cheese graters could have been because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/971">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► they were working on this and this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/973">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► fancy new thing and it will be coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/974">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► soon and I think we all basically felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/976">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► better about that even though there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/978">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► a delay and this current announcement is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/980">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► like everything will happen before but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/982">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► stretch all the time lines out even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/984">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► farther you know at the time we thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/986">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► they don't care about Mac Pro users they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/988">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► don't care about the Mac Pro and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/991">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► they release the you know the 2013 one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/992">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► and we thought okay great they released [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/994">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► a new one and this is awesome however it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/997">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► doesn't need a lot of people's needs in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► a bunch of ways that we'll get into in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► minute and so then that was now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► it's been now like about the same delay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► between 2010 on that one and between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► that one and now you know about three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► and a half years or so the assumption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► that we've all been making and I totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► owned this I have been number one on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► list of complainers on this show at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► least the assumption that we've all been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► making is that Apple is being run really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► just by the numbers by Tim Cook and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► you know it is this fairly small product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► line that is you know something like one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► percent of mac sales was just not enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► of a blip on the radar for Tim Cook to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► care about updating ever again that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► how it seemed until this morning to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► all of us Mac Pro users and that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► manifested itself with a number of side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► effects one of which which I think might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► have contributed to Apple finally you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► know getting into gear on on doing an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► update here is that when the macbook pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► was updated last fall the 2016 macbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► pro with the touch bar and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► else it was clearly not as well received [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► as Apple thought it would be there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► quite a lot of outcry and part of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1076">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► is because of legitimate downsides of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► that product part that's temporary part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► of it won't be temporary but I think a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► big part of the of the angst over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► 2016 macbook pro is also that pros had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► been neglected on the desktop for so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► long that they're not only were they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► Apple not serving their needs but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► sure looked like they were going to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► to now wedge their needs into these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► other products that weren't very good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► serving them and so I if I had to guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► it was during the 2016 macbook pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► launch with all this kickback that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► finally decided to go ahead with the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► Mac Pro project you know Craig federighi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► interviews that it was it's been longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► than six months they've been working on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► it but that doesn't mean it had it had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► the green light to go ahead as a product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► for more than six months I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► it was long as much they've been working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► roundtable was a bunch of journalists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► right so the journalists are asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► questions and one of the big questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1136">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► that everyone wants to know is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► we we out here in the community who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► interested in the mac pro have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► upset about it for a long long time how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► how did it come to pass that so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► time elapsed between the 2013 mac pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► and now and there was nothing literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► announcement or anything and then just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► now you call a roundtable so everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► want to know the timeline how long ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► did you decide that this is the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► you were going to do and they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► like well it's not like there's anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► decision or one meeting and each of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► went through her own journey of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► deciding what was a quick video so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► went through like denial and acceptance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► so I can imagine there are people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► well-made like the denial thing would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► like well the new Mac Pro was weird and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► all and people complain but I bet if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► just leave it out there people will come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► to accept it as the new way then pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► hardware is going to work on the desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► and then eventually have to say you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1195">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► looks like they're not really accepting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1197">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► it and so the six-month things seemed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► be more of a timeline of like when when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► did you come to this realization they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► never actually answered how did you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► so many years with like basically your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:09 ◼ ► heads in the sand right because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1209">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► why I mean just two shows ago I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► asking us all if we had consensus that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► basically there's not going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► another new mac pro this is just going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► to be an imac pro which by the way there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► will be and they talked about it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► know basically an imac bent towards pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► people because look if there was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► to be a new mac pro they wouldn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► left this one there for like four years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► right like surely they wouldn't do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► just yet with no no communication or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► whatever and it's like the certain point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► they're communicating to you by saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► we update the imac you know we we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► but drop dropping the the apple monitor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► and sort of back-channel communicating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► to some journalists somewhere that hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► apples not doing monitors anymore and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► offering the LG one that's another big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► sign like the imac it's it's the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► right and so we were just all like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► were in the acceptance phase or at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1257">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► i was like well you know no more mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► pro's and we all we all want to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► that because we all come wanna like be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► you know vengeful and say how could you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► have made this mistake because on one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► announcement they made was not hey by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► the way we just want to let you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► we're not making the mac pro anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► like we want to make it official that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► could have been what they said at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► meeting they this meeting could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► also been you know where we've just were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► just given up on the mac like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► the most pessimistic ideas of what could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► it mean to go to a mac roundtable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► ominous sounding mac round table if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► were accepting there was going to be no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► mac pro could have been like terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► bad news instead it was good news but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► the good news is just immediately makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► you ask the question what well what took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► you so long like and that's the question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► that you know when when did you figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► it out like what was your plan before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► six months ago what what were you doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► like what another year guys this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► current mac pro that we never update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► will will will you know it's gonna set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► the world on fire just wait yeah right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► I'm so they didn't they're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1316">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► go into like you know their deliberation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► process and discuss you know is they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► don't realize stuff but they did go into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► a couple of aspects of like why why is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► the current trashcan why didn't you ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► update it and so Craig federighi had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► said this is a quote from him I think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► designed ourselves into a bit of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► thermal corner and there he was talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► about the design of the trash can which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► cylinder is kind of like three boards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► three vertical boards that make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► triangle shape if you're looking down on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► top of it two of them are GPUs and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► of them is the CPU board he was saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► that that this is quoting from my pants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► Reno's argyll the unique triangular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► design of the Mac Pro thermal core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► provided proved to be the limiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► factor it wasn't built to have for one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► of the three sides of the triangle to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► get super hot so if they if they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► have a really hot GPU on one side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► and then cooler parts are supposed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► like equal distribution of heat from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► two mid-range you know mid heat GPUs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► the CPU on the other side but basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► I think the problem is the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► cylinder with the one fan on top there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► were just not enough cooling capacity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► unless you probably crank that fan up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1377">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► the point where they didn't like it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► but the story they gave was we they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► couldn't update it like they the faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► GPUs they could have put in there it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► couldn't handle a thermal load maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► even also the CPUs and federighi also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► emphasized that this wasn't like someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► had an idea to make a trashcan shaped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► computer and then they just put all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► their marbles in that basket that thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► missing is another quote from federica [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► federighi we didn't start with shape and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► say well here's the fastest machine we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► can put in that box we actually started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► with a target for performance and came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► up with what we think was a very clever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► design for that thermal core thermal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► architecture so they they had a target [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► of like two GPUs with lots of cores and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► one cpu and then they tried to figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► out which again you could say this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► their one of their mistakes what is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► smallest quietest thing we can get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:49 ◼ ► and they emphasize that in the 2013 Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1429">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► Pro lunch look how much smaller this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► trashcan mac pro is than the giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► cheese grater I remember when they put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► up the image of the two things next to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1436">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► each other the cake it was like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► like what what is that an airport hub [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► next to and I felt like no that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► new Mac Pro it seemed impossibly small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► compared to the size of the cheese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► grater and they did they made like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► packaging wise it is super quiet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► computer and of course you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► sacrifice all the internal storage and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► all the other stuff but that basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► by making that design and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► tooling and all that fancy factory in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► the u.s. that makes all this stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► you know all the money they put into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► that the story they gave was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► basically they couldn't update it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► because none of the better stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► they could fit in there could be cooled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► inside that case so they had to design a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► new one but they didn't they just say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► don't know what they did just sat on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► their hands for several years mulling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► over what to do all the while continuing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► to sell that thing until he finally came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► to this realization so I don't you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► again we have to wait for people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► retire and give the tell-all books but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► something went wrong inside apples were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► saying so they go wrong but with the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1494">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► computer for the same price for so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► years and it's also not a good look to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► only realize your mistake many many many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► years later way way too late so late in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► fact that you are forced to do a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► that Apple never ever does which is call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► bunch of journalists together and tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► them about computer you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► release in the next year like not got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► this calendar year like hey let me tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► you about something it's not released [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► yet we can't even show you a picture of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► it and be it's not going to be released [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► this year they also by the way didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► say as far as an able to determine that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► it's going to be released next year all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► everybody's like oh that totally means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► next year probably does but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► covering their bases and so that means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► that says to me that they decided very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► very very recently on the serve the no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► go no go on the mac pro because if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► had come and said guys we just want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► tell you there's not going to be another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► mac pro that would make perfect sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1556">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► because it's like well we debated for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1558">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► long time while we debated we kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► selling this thing but in the end where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► you know is down the toilet download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► over to the trash can no more mac pro's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► the imac is the future we just want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► let you know and let's talk about it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► love this explain to why we think pros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► can use this other stuff or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► because at least that would make sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► for the trajectory instead they hemmed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► it hard for four years realize the error [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► of their ways which is good but realized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► it's so late that they have nothing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► say to us except we will we will make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► good and i'm glad they what course i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► glad that they're they're going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► this to love to mac pro i'm glad they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► went into specifics instead of saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► we're going to make new pro hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► they went into specifics by saying this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► new pro hardware will be modular in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► their parlance there will be a separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► monitor and a separate computer so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► not going to be like oh there's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► be an awesome i like you like no dope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► they said that is a separate thing we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► are going to do a new or imac with fancy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► of stuff that pros my like but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► there's this thing which is modular and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► we're going to make our own displays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1617">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► which so recently they seem to be moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► away from and i guess because they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► me not to wake in the middle of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► night and tremble in fear of having to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► get a non apple monitor they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► the final point they made is whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► this design is which they can go into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► details about we're going to make sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► the with this design we can ink we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► upgrade the internals on on some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► schedule other than never ever upgrading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► them right so those are the few bits of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► information they gave about this I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► the impression that the same brief that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► they gave these journalist was given to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► apples newly formed team not too long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► ago say we need a mac pro needs to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► modular we need new apple monitor and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► don't want the same thing that happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► with the trash can to happen with us we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► need the internals to be upgradable on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► reasonable schedule all that is music to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► my ears because those are all the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► I want to hear like the only thing they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► could have said more was like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► going to have multiple internal drives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► and multiple internal slots they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1676">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► say that and I doubt they will do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► but that's the only other thing that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► could have even asked for my wildest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► dreams so I am very very happy but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► very disappointed in Apple because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► know what they did they dun goofed yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► they they did not do well on this old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► Mac Pro thing I'm glad I'm glad they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► came well you know I they messed up like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► apologized they said sorry when does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► Apple ever do that because it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► coherent thing like it would be coherent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► if they said we slowly phase out the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► pro and it disappeared and let me tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► you why we're not going to be in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► business I'm your butt to neglect the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► mac pro like that and then have a change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► certainly better from my perspective not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► having a change of heart that's not good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► for the company it's not good for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► image not good for the pros it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► pre-announce this product which is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► comfortable position for Apple to be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► so this was this was kind of a of Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► being humble and coming hat in hand and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► saying we're sorry we mess up this Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► Pro thing let us make it up to you by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► doing all the good things for you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► that's why everybody's happy because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► know happy and also curious about Warren [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► long but but happy to see that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► result we all wanted is the result we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► going to get if we just wait a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► we respond to this week by Casper an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1762">TS</a>]
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00:29:26 ◼ ► shockingly fair price go to Casper calm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► / ATP and use code ATP for fifty dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1769">TS</a>]
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00:29:47 ◼ ► narrow stairs and now in addition to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► mattress Casper also offers an adaptive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► pillow and soft breathable sheets the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► mattress industry has so long forced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1795">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► customers into paying incredibly high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1797">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► markups and doing all sorts of crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► sales tricks Casper is revolutionising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► the industry by cutting the class of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► dealing with all these mattress stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► and past net savings directly on to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► an in-house team of engineer spent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► thousands of hours developing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► catcher mattress with supportive memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► foam for a sleep surface that has just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► the right sink and just the right bounce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► and the breathable design sleep school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► to help you regulate your temperature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► throughout the night and you might think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► buying a mattress online sounds crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► but Casper has made it completely easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► and risk-free they have a free delivery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► of course and free returns and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► sleep on it for a hundred Knights to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► decide whether you want to keep it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► return it a hundred night home trial if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► you don't love after a hundred nights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► they will arrange for it to be picked up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► at your house and give you a full refund [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► Casper understands the importance of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► truly sleeping on a mattress before you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► commit to spending a third of your life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► on it we've heard so many things from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1852">TS</a>]
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00:30:59 ◼ ► gotten great reviews see for yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► you'll see if you look around it people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1861">TS</a>]
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00:31:04 ◼ ► get yours today and try it for a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1864">TS</a>]
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00:31:08 ◼ ► and free returns with home pick up all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► this completely risk-free go to casper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► calm / ATP and use code ATP for fifty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► dollars towards your mattress terms and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► conditions do apply thank you very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► so here's the thing like on the whole I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► agree with you and even as someone who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► sitting here now doesn't foresee ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► buying a mac pro I'm excited about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► I really am like I joked a lot on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► Twitter about oh god this episode's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► gonna be terrible but no I'm actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► excited to talk about it because this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► this is good for everyone when Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► commits to the the professional market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► it's good for me as buy some definition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► a professional because I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► actually cited Xcode is one of the apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1916">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► they consider to be a professional app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► and one of the apps they look for in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► there like analytics to see who is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► professional and who isn't but anyway I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► I definitely unequivocally think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► this was way way way too late but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► don't know a lot of people on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► we're jumping straight to like Oh Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► is just you know they weren't doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► anything until yesterday and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► finally decided to do something and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► know I think it's unfair for us to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► assume how long it takes to build an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► entire new computer with an entirely new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► design from the ground up like I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► that they should have started on this a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► while ago I agree that we should never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► have gotten to this point but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► it's a bit presumptuous for us to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► assume they can go to some parts bin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► somewhere throw a few things together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► and call it good I think that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► perhaps assuming the worst where it may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► not be necessary this should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1977">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► absolutely happened at least a year ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► if not two but it doesn't mean that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► didn't start work on it a year ago if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► not to what if they just didn't feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► compelled to tell us about it until now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► because a bunch of whiners like those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► guys on ATP god what a bunch of whiners [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► the three of em are what if a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► whiners just got to the point that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► felt like they needed to address it once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► and for all now I you know where that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► think the decision was made to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► something different but it's got to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► pretty recent I mean just use the LG [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► monitor as an example the monitor for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► most people as a sideshow here for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► it's like the main show because I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► if they if they had said we're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► make a new mac pro but we're still not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► making apple monitors I would still be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► like maybe I'll get an imac right that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► just me personally right but very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► recently as recently as one was it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► october i don't know whenever they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► came out with the the the new MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► Pros with the LG display right and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2036">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► talked to the press about it and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► press would ask them so you know should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► we get an apple monitor River like no we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► this this LG monitor is the one we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► it's on our store we're fully behind it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► so on and so forth and then through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► back-channel communication to someone on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► Twitter to say basically apples out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► stand-alone display business this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► recent stuff if as you suggest in case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► you that perhaps they've been working on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► this new Mac Pro for over a year there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► no way they would have told everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► that Apple's out of the standalone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► display business through whatever back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► channels they did maybe they still would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► have said by the lg1 anyway because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► new apple honor isn't coming up for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► long time but yeah there are long lead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► times these things uh but not it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► take three years to make a monitor right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► like time was when Apple would make new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► products every year and yeah they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► overlapping schedules and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► that which by the way is why i think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► time that Apple needs to start making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► previous one is released like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► usually how these things overlap like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► that the new iphone is in the works at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► the time the current iphone is released [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2096">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► that's the only way you could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2098">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► usually releases of anything right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► it's not as if you can release the trash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► can right and 20 late 2013 and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► after the trash cans really start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► working on the next one you're already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► late at that point let alone release the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► trash can wait a year or two and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► start working on the successor that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► just too long if you're one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► things that the commitments of the pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► market and it's what they talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► is you have to have some product that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► you can update because the whole point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► of this product is the biggest fastest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► computer apple sells and if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► update it eventually your phone has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► faster single threaded performance than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► that they handle me like in the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► extreme case you you have to update it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► the role of this computer the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► reason it exists is to be the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► fastest thing as soon as it's not big as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► fast as people like well why am i buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► this why don't I buy a 13-inch laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► that has a better cpu speed or faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► d or has you know Thunderbolt 3 and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► top end thing doesn't like it loses its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► purpose without updates so they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2157">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► super duper late and it seems to me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► if they can't even promise a 20-18 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► release of this thing they started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► sometime you know in in the past year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► alright easily you may maybe in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► six months because is it it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► the thing we're asking about when did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► they make the call when did they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► the decision because they seem to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► no decision for really really long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► and then they made a decision and part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► of that decision was given that we made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► this decision look at our timelines when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► will we actually be able to show a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► product it will hurt us a lot to just do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► the normal apple thing which is not tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► anybody until the product comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► because by then everyone will completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► a written off Apple as a pro hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► vendor so we need to make the decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► and then the even harder decision we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► just now we have to tell people we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► to tell people that we kind of started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► this new project because if we don't by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► the time we release it they'll all be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► gone they all will have left the block [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► hey guys we have a new Mac Pro we didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► wanna tell you about it for the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► developing it but we totally have a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2216">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► one it's like too late we all left you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2217">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► neglected us right so they had to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► out and tell us that at some point in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► the future defined as not this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► there will be a new Mac Pro which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► the right thing to do but it is it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► is them coming from a position of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► weakness and it makes me think that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► decision was not made and that the team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► to make this new Mac Pro was not tasked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► with doing so any time longer than maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► like 12 months ago and I would guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► maybe six months ago yeah I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► that's because like you know we we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► from various like tips and rumblings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► here and there that like there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► investigate news eons and stuff but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► there was never any suggestion by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► anybody any rumors any tipsters anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► that that was actually becoming a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► product for you know it anywhere close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► to a product I really do think that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► probably became a priority six months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► ago and that's how they determined by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► the way that's how they determine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2275">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► probably their thermal limits like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2276">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► have the cylinder and we kept hearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► rumors from all sorts of weird sources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► like I looking at this chip all looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► like maybe they tried all sorts of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► component upgrades the trash can and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► every time they tried it it was either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► not a big enough win or they couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► deal with the thermals right and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► just kind of like well do we want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► bother through going through with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► should we make it a product maybe wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► for next year maybe it'll be better we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► have this prop like federighi federighi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► explanation is basically like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► couldn't put better stuff in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► cylinder did they you know they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► designed ourselves into a bit of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► thermal corner and the fact that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► continued to try to tinker with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► every time there was a new cpu or GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► but never actually released anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► fits with that idea that it wasn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► they were you know opposed to making new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► Mac Pro's is they couldn't make new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► macro that a major investment and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► come back and say okay well we can't put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► new stuff in the cylinder sorry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► that oops can we make a whole totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► new Mac Pro and then it was like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2336">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► that seems like expensive and not a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► of people buy this and they just kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► doing that and doing that and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► externally we see nothing we just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► know we have the same mac pro as always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► in just a bunch of you know rumors and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► eventually has to come to head say look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► are we in this business are we not in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► this business in the decision they made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► which I'm very happy with this yes we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► are in this business we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► rededicate ourselves and we're not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► to make the same mistake twice nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► pokes new mac pro in a corner in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► thermal corner that's like that since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► knowledge so boy it's I would not want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► to been in these meetings but I am so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► glad so glad they they made I can't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► say it's the right decision I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► if it's the right decision for ample but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► its decision that I wanted actually yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► I think it is the right decision travel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► because if Apple's not going to be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► the Pro market then what the hell's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► point of Apple like we're just going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► be a phone company I think that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► that's not the Apple we all believe in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► and it's clearly not the apple of it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► the people who come to these meetings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2397">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► and profess undying love for the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► believe in either well and I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► it's more than that it's that like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► Apple decides that iOS is the only OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► and their future then that's one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► but if the mac as a platform is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► continue they need to keep building pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► hardware yeah I mean but but is the imac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► pro enough and i think we'll talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► later but the one thing that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► strikes me about this late I suspect you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► guys are right and that it was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► recent him in the last 12 months or so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► that that Apple got really serious about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► replacing the mac pro but it seems a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► little disingenuous to me for us to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► Oh surely they have mac OS running on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► arm you know surely they're doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► why would they not I mean I I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► hardware is different but don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► think they would have been doing more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► than just piddling with a a new mac pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► for all this time maybe there were only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► a handful of people on it maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► weren't taking it too seriously but if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► feel like why wouldn't you at least have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2456">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► that in the hopper just in case now to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► your point a minute ago both of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► maybe that didn't start until like two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► years ago or one year ago or what have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► you but I feel laughs a year ago well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► and that's not going to be not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► be two years ago they would be they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► would be done by now those two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► especially since this like in the I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► so here's the thing there's attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► with that bowl between make an amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► new thing which I think traffic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► qualifies out like you haven't seen a PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► like this before look at this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► isn't it weird and crazy and awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► like they want to do that but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► there's schedule pressure so as many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► people pointed out they can make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► rectangular box with nice finishes on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► shove a bunch of crap in and be done but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► they don't want to do that so they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► going to take longer than it would take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► to just slap together some basically a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► pc that runs mac OS right the question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► is how much longer will he take and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► they had started two years ago even with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► the most obsessive you know a paul [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► craftsmanship they could they could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► had something to show today right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► that makes me think again they had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► have started this in the last calendar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2516">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► year at you know that's the longest i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► going to say this goes back and probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► even closer yeah and so i think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► also worth kind of putting the 2013 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► trash can in context a little bit to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► figure out like why they still care and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► and maybe what they can do to avoid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► another problem like this so in addition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► to the reasons that that John always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► likes to say about like you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► halo car knowledge intervals which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► agree with so it actually sells better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► than I thought thanks so one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► things that came out in this meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► what they said that desktops are twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► of mac sales which that alone is higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► than I would have guessed you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► laptops are most people's computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► these days so the fact that desktops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► still have twenty percent is pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► I think they said that met the Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► is in the low single-digit percentage of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► those mac sales if that's one percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► which is the lowest that their estimate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► would really mean that is about 200,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2576">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► mac / as a year now that i think is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► one percent of mac sales and two hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► i think that's actually really good for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► because that's not the sales of the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► pro in its launch year when it's updated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► that's the sales of the mac pro now like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► this three year old like lame duck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► machine like that's the sales of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► now so i think it's remarkable that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► still sells that well i didn't that says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► that the the market for these things is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► probably bigger than a lot of us were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► were and were estimating because if this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► machine that's three years old and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► wasn't even that compelling when it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► new very free talking to in a second if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► that can still sell 200,000 units a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► that's amazing italy and so i decided to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► look up a couple stats i did some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► homework that is reflect that that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► roughly equivalent i translated this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► into term to understand kc to the sales [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► volume of the BMW x5 so well done yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2634">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► that's roughly what the x5 cells every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► year worldwide and that's a fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► popular model in their lineup so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► fact that like you know that a car cans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► and oh and by the way it's also double [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► the total sales volume of Tesla so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► you know if if it's selling in this kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► of volume if like a car company can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► justify having a car an entire car model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► with all the customization that goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► into that and supporting everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► Apple can justify having a machine that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► only sells to this relatively small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► audience for you know compared to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► whole product line well but what's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► profit off of each of these devices Leo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► the profit off of an x5 one would hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► would be many many many thousands of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► dollars what's the profit off of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► questions the the raw alone actually I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► it's our that massive on cars maybe Im [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► lugged your cars especially if you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► like the floor mats but I think they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► the costs of developing a new mac pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2694">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► reasonably done are probably low enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► compared to developing a whole car you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► probably they're probably okay there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► anyway I did want to briefly go into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► exactly what went wrong with 2013 mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► pro 2 so that we can kind so that we and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► as commentators and hopefully if anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► at Apple is listening I assume you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► considering these things too but I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► want to say it just in case because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► think there's important lessons to learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► here and I really hope they have learned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► them so quick summary when the 2013 came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► out it costs more than the previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► model but it accommodated fewer people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► needs and so that'll even when it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► brand-new that on day one once all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► configs and pricing were up a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► people did not like it very much and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► lot of pro said oh never mind because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► was so much more limited than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► previous ones and it gave up all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► drive bays all the slots a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2756">TS</a>]
00:45:58 ◼ ► RAM expansion capabilities GPU replace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2758">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► ability GPU options CP dual cpu dual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► socket options like there was so so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► stuff that was given up so it really did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► a lot less and it cost more and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► that's like whatever Apple does next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► they have to learn a lesson from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► wasn't they choose to follow it or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► that's something to learn also it also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► suffered from just kind of bad market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► timing relative to the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► industry so almost immediately the 5k [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► happened it was like it was like nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► months into the mac pro when when 5k [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► screens came out in the imac and the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► Pro has no good way to drive a 5k screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► and an apple doesn't sell one step ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► and and when they did finally get around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► to launching one last fall it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► work with 2013 mac pro at least i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► we keep hearing random hacks about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► it the stores are kind of hacking it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► work but basically it doesn't work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► so it missed the 5k revolution by a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► prioritized having that Retina screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► over having those additional cores and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► everything also right after that model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► processors that Apple of course didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► use increase single-threaded performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► noticeably and so what happened was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► within a very short time of the Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► being released within about a year it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► was unable to drive the best screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► that the highest end buyers wanted and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► single-threaded performance tasks and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► lot of benchmarks it was it was there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► beaten completely or in the case of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► the six core like it could it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► barely edged out in multi-threaded but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► you know that wasn't all work so it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► it badly timed in the market and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► don't forget about us bc one more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► revolution that has about the product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► line USBC also came along and guess who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► terrible timing in terms of peripheral [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► like it wouldn't have been terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2876">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► timing if it was on the yearly update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2877">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► schedule be like Oh next year the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► Pro will get updated it will get the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► chips it will get us bc if we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► Thunderbolt 3 it will be able to drive a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► 5k display that but but again the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► thermal corner uh apparently they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► plain couldn't do that exactly and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► also by by limiting it to a single CPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► and dual GPU configuration you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► were making a big bet that this is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► to be the future of pro computing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► unfortunately it wasn't the present of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► pro computing at the time and the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► future took a different direction and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► and they were betting that just having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► this one set of trade-offs this one cpu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► to workstation GPUs that was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► solve all pro needs or all needs of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► Mac Pro customers at least that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► wrong even in 2013 and it never became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► correct you know they were betting big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► on opencl and that really didn't pan out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► specialized uses and they were also they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► never really supported it very well in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2937">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► mac OS either and so i think another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► lesson to learn here is that whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► direction the Mac Pro takes it can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:08 ◼ ► rely on highly specialized OS features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► very much because chances are it's never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► engineering priority to devote a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► engineering time to optimizing the OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► for this machine that sells to one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► percent of the user base like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► never going to do that so it can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► depend on weird like you know edge case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► technologies like opencl has turned out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► to be you know if it can handle it well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► that's one thing but that can't be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► main focus of the machine if they did do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► a lot of OS changes to support the dual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► GPUs because remember one of them was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► like oh you can you could address them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► individually and use one for compute and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► one for graphics and they have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► whole demo of the 3d application that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► Pixar was using so they they actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► added OSAP eyes to make it so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► people could write programs to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2995">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► advantage of this machine but the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2996">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► way anybody like any pro app vendor is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► going to change their program to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► advantage of this new fancy hardware is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► if doing so gives them some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► advantage like okay well this is weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► hardware and we you know but Apple gives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► us API is and we can address these two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► GPUs and control them and do interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► things if we do this if we make this big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► investment and rejigger our application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► and use these new ApS what is the payoff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► and if the payoff is performance that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► still doesn't match a plain old windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► pc with a big stonking single GPU in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► well why would we do that why would we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► spend all this time we're rewriting our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► thing to get worse performance that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► get if we just leave our application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► exactly the way it is and get you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► top-of-the-line thing was at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► why don't you why would we bother doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► it so people didn't rewrite their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► programs even though there were api's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► and those api's themselves didn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► expanded and supported and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3055">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► because there was no one writing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3057">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► them so it was it was an ecosystem that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► never materialized for hardware that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► investment and very quickly became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► embarrassingly not good enough as as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► mentioned as every other standard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► peripheral and the capability just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► passed it by on even on Apple's on in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► frequently updated machines right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► then and they also had execution flaws [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► even with this one model like the GP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► like you know they're talking now about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► how the thermals prevented them from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► the thermals were a problem then to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► this machine anybody who's ever owned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► one of these or especially anybody who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► had to manage more than one of them like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► certain you know developer studios or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► visual effects places that have had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► multiple 2013 Mac Pro's the GPUs die all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► the time Apple's doing tons of warranty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► replacements on those the only reason it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► hasn't become like a big known scandal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► or thing is because this is a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► relatively unpopular product so not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► lot of people have them but anyone who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► does have it knows that there's tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► GPU overheating problems and they die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3117">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► all the time and on top of that to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► a GPU focused machine that's that takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► us huge bet on GPUs be in the future and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► then not updating it for three years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► like GPUs change like every nine months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► like it's it's a pretty fast moving part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► of the hardware development so it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► huge design flaw even then to design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► something that could barely cool the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► GPUs it had and then with not only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► apparently no Headroom to cool future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► ones but also to not update this machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► at all for three and a half years at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► least and prop what's probably going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► end up being four and a half to five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► that's a massive just error in just how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► it was an execution flaw simple as that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► I will say though like as much as I bag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► in this machine like redesigning the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► tower like the cheese grater typical pc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► tower I mean it was more than tip it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► a really good one but redesigning the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► tower in 2013 was a good idea and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3177">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► remains a good idea today they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► not just put new components in the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► cheese grater and ship that as the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► thing because there's lots of like old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► baggage that is no longer necessary in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► the pc tower so doing a design doing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► redesign is the right move it diggers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► did the bitches didn't to the right one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► like they chose a battery design they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► went the wrong direction when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► admitted that yeah those like my blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► post back in before the new mac pro 2013 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► begging for them to make a new Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► the case for new Mac Pro successor like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► everything you said about the the trash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► was kind of you know you could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► predicted these mistakes at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► because it didn't suit our needs but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► like well maybe there's other audiences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► for them it could have worked out but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► either way to where they worked out it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► didn't they made mistakes they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► there were a bad time with 5k displays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► in the USBC and Thunderbolt 3 you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► say that we make fun of the can innovate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► anymore my ass the phil schiller thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3236">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► but that was mostly because they failed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► to update it this was like an innovative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► machine they tried something new and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► bold and daring and they were trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► make the best mac that there could be it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► was so different from any other max if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► they're ever had been before and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► have been since so different in so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► ways that I give them full marks for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► doing what I asked him to do which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► try to do your best turns out this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► wasn't a good idea but you can't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► they didn't try you can't say like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► again I would have you know been more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► disappointed to say oh here's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► cheese grater right like because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► not that's not really trying this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► kind of business as usual status quo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► which is better than nothing but I I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► give them full marks for for introducing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► it which is why even though I didn't buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► one I was very happy that it existed I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► was pinning my hopes on okay they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► either going to keep updating this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► I'll buy the one that can drive the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► retina display remember those days when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► I was talking about that and same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► for this new one in the same way it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3295">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► like well they could make some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3297">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► rectangular box and sell it and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► could get that out sooner I'm willing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► innovative they just need to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► different set of trade-offs with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► design building on what they've learned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► but I totally like the idea of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► because if they're just going to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► box i know people want them to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► just make me like a rectangular pc that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► I can run mac OS on which i'm sure some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► people would like but I I want more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► that from Apple I mean even even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► cheese grater is like you said market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► it's not just at our case it is a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► cool really good really interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► tower case that has many innovations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► inside and out and turned out to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► good design that they kept for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► time just just do that again Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► that's a hard just be successful all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► time yeah well liked and I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► know looking back you as you said like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► they did something you know as federighi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► sevens interview he said we wanted to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► something bold and different with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► 2013 one and he said it's good for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► but it does not address the full range [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► of Mac Pro customers and I think this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► the nut right here like Apple is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3356">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► good at being bold and different and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► they pride themselves on that they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► really try to do that with with muck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► with much of what they do the problem is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► that if you only make bold and different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► product line joyce's then the overall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► product line will suffer because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► need general-purpose products to fill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► the gaps and satisfy the most needs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► the Mac Pro the hole the purpose of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► machine is to serve a bunch of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► edge cases and you can't just make one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► super focused design like this you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► one cpu 2 pro GPUs no slots nothing else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► like you can't do that kind of like bold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:40 ◼ ► and different design for this particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3400">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► different edge cases that the Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► needs to satisfy are all different from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► each other so no single narrow design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► like this can satisfy them the old Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► Pro cheese grater could be configured in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► completely different ways for depending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► on what the customer needed and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3417">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► was a huge range of what that could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► and that's the kind of flexibility this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► product line needs Mac Pro buyers they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:06 ◼ ► don't need cool and bold and different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3426">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► they need versatile powerful and kept up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► to date and it can be innovative to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► like the Yosemite case before Yosemite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► was the name of an operating system it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► designed by Apple that was like a tower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► it's like a vertical rectangular solid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► like but Apple did its thing hey ours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► has handles on all four corners NRS has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► a side panel that folds down and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► motherboard was on the side panel at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► that point look how easy it is to open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► this thing up and here's the ram mandir [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► is the GPU and you can change your hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► drives and they use that design for two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► generations the g3 in the g4 and well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► more if you can't like your drive door [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► and the wind tunnels and all the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► stuff and then came the cheese grater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► with the power mac g5 still four handles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► but a different design aluminum and look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► how easy it is to slide the hard drives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► in and out and there's a little panel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► that comes off the side and look how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3475">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► much room we have her fans and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3476">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► computer-controlled fans and all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3478">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► other stuff like both of those designs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► were innovative and interesting but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► marker was saying they were they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► modular they could be configured to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► different needs you could choose what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► you wanted to put in them and make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► computer that you needed if instead they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► had made an innovative like the g4 cube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► is a good example like the g4 cube is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► basically a trash can before its time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► here's one computer with one specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► set of trade-offs and you can't change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► those trade-offs at all and if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► doesn't suit your needs you're out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► luck the g4 cube did not do well in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► market despite being a cool cute little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► computer to it you know to address the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► pro market you either need to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► bunch of different models each of which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► satisfies a need or some kind of system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► different people's needs via they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:44 ◼ ► configure themselves with their party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3524">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► things that they can configure on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► store by picking from pop-up menus how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► much storage how many drives how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► GPUs what kind of GPUs how much memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► all those things and I think too like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► it's important to recognize when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3535">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► were designing the trash can in 2013 I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► don't think they necessarily forgot what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► pros need I think they were they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► swayed by both a bit of hubris and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► the times you know back then the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► why Phil Schiller said can't innovate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► anymore my ass and the reason that got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► huge applause besides the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► hilarious hearing that from him is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► overwhelming press and analyst narrative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► of Apple not being able to innovate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► anymore and that Samsung was doing all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► the innovation this was a huge thing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► innovation crown and of course you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► we were all trying to get like what do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► they mean by innovation exactly but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► that was a massive thing that everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► was saying about Apple the press the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► stock people every thought every one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► saying Apple can't innovate anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► Samsung's innovating and it turned out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► that all that was was big phones because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► Apple didn't have to pick folks yet that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► turns out all Appling need to do to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3594">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► to out-innovate samsung was to make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3596">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► but that pretty much solve that problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► for them but I feel like that narrative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► really got to them and that helped sway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► their decision into taking a much bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► risk with this product than they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► have I think apple and maybe this has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► changed now I'm not sure it has Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► needs to be confident enough in itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► to release boring products sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► when that's actually what certain types [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► of customers need and the Mac Pro is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► biggest example of that like they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► totally do not only can they they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► probably do a relatively boring line of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► mac pros because that's like what comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► along with boringness is what pros need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► yeah I I'm struggling because I it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► retrospect but if your Apple and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► looking at what's coming in 2013 which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► here again I 2013 feels like forever ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► and that's when this thing was that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3658">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► released oh my god this is so bad but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► anyway when you're looking at the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► in 2013 and you're looking at like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► opencl and all these different options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► it makes sense to me to bet that maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► not at the house that's probably a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► little aggressive but bet big on opencl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► probably the future and we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► give you the best possible machine that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► will be as fast as it possibly can for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► that future that is so obviously coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► unfortunately the future never came but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► city is sitting where Apple presumably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► was sitting in 2013 I I think it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► make sense to do what they did but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► unequivocally looking at it in hindsight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► you are absolutely correct that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► boring machine was the writer machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► and maybe the cleverness is what John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► motherboard on the door or whatever or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► what have you are making it easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► upgradable or whatever the case may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► but I don't think we could necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3715">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► fault Apple for the way they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3717">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► thinking in 2013 given the facts they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► had in front of them well I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► can fault them the saying like if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► thought if they thought opencl was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► future wouldn't they have to release a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► machine that the next year they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► make it run opencl faster and the year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► can make it run opencl faster even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► they had kind of an idea of what the GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► compute future was going to be like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► didn't have doesn't seem like they had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► roadmap of like it when this future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► arrives we should be poised to make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► the fastest thing that you can run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► opencl on year after year they weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► even poised to do that even if it hadn t [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► realized they were not like his the bent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► like by the time this machine step like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► I said you can get a single GPU pc that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► did beat it right in the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► people cared about right and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► applications and they seemed to have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► plan I mean it's a surprise to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► because this type of chimney design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► where you pull in cool air from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:50 ◼ ► bottom and exhaust the hot air at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3770">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► top with it with a really big fan that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► goes slowly I would think that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► have more capacity than it apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3776">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► has so we're taking what they send a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3778">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► face value that like bad that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► thermal problems with it and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► couldn't get new stuff in it that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► that's pretty darn bad and I have a hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► time envisioning any good plan for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► Mac Pro that does not include the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► ability to make it faster next year and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► faster the year after that and fast of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► the year after that in that in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► incremental way because again the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► point of this product is to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► fastest thing out there and I know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► Mark was saying with the boring updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► I wouldn't use that word to characterize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► it because as far as I'm concerned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► having the best performance in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► product line is not boring even if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► not in a in a spiral-shaped underwater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► case right you know or whatever you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► to say is like oh we can put it in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► sphere and it rolls around your desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► like whatever if every year it gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► faster and faster speed is not boring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:43 ◼ ► capability is not boring like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3823">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► my renders are compiled sucks X amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► of time if i buy a new one in a year or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► two years they should take x divided by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► something or greater than one all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► i want i want to see things happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3837">TS</a>]
01:03:59 ◼ ► faster and that's not boring i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3839">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► what you gettin of the boring is like be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► innovative but don't don't try to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► things for the sake of changing them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► i think what they tried to do is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► what they try to do with a Final Cut Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► 10 which is let's not be constrained by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► what defines pro computers today it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► could be that we are holding onto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► baggage that is not actually necessary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► anymore if we start basically from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► clean slate and say what do our Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► eliminate what is just there because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► like Oh everyone expects to have floppy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► drives and parallel ports and whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:33 ◼ ► like what could if we drop things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3873">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► just leave the essence can we get it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► simplification and they dropped too many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► things on the wrong things right if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► had found the correct essence and drop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:48 ◼ ► some things but left others like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3888">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► know that they could have come up with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► better balance and it still could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► been a cylinder case for all we know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► it still could have had no internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► store like some of the bets i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3896">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► we're reasonable like no 3.5 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3897">TS</a>]
01:04:59 ◼ ► internal bays no optical drive obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3899">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► like all those thing all those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► that they removed from the mac pro as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3903">TS</a>]
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01:05:11 ◼ ► quarter inch drive bays you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► to have any kind of drive bays you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3912">TS</a>]
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01:05:15 ◼ ► Express SSDs or you know obtain whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► things from Intel that is an example of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► a simplification that is it possible if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► you say super boring which is basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► like well Pro computers got to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3926">TS</a>]
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01:05:30 ◼ ► quarter you'll never you'll never make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► anything interesting there it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► that they dropped other things as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/3933">TS</a>]
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01:07:40 ◼ ► imac because they had some interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4060">TS</a>]
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01:08:05 ◼ ► apparently cancelled the imac revision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4085">TS</a>]
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01:08:13 ◼ ► hold that maybe until the fall whenever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► because what they said was that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► configurations of the imac this year so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► i'm guessing like that maybe gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:25 ◼ ► announced emergency but probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► fall and that probably you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► whatever I max we're going to come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► this this past you know winter or spring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:33 ◼ ► have probably been delayed to just make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4113">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► one big update then which I'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► that's necessarily the right move but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► see you know that is typical of Apple so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► that's possible right but anyway I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:42 ◼ ► wanted to kind of get an idea of if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4122">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► they're going to do like a pro pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► configurations of the imac and also do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► what that might mean also what would the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► imac configurations actually be like so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4137">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► I was thinking like you know they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► put Zeon's in there for to get higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:03 ◼ ► core counts and more pci lanes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4143">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► everything but i figured that might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► become like a Mac Pro only thing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► maybe the Intel Extreme series like we'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► like we kept we keep it and told about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► like the x99 boards and the extreme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► edition processors that have like 6 to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► 10 cores they're basically Zeon's but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► you know not in not an official name and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► so they don't have ECC ram support they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:26 ◼ ► don't have quite as high of course as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► Zeon's do and they don't usually max how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► to quite as high o clock speeds but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4170">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► would be one way like if they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► keep these two different things this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:38 ◼ ► know they have the regular iMac which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4178">TS</a>]
01:09:39 ◼ ► the regular imac already has usually the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► fastest like typical desktop processors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► that Intel sells GPUs they have more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► headroom GPUs they usually use like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► like a low-power desktop GPU because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► big honkin like you know if the 1080 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► kind of equivalents like the big like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4195">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► things with like the big green plastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4197">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► fans from the overclockers like those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► GPUs don't fit in the imac enclosure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► like space or heat wise so if they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► the enclosure you know thicker and have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► bigger heat capacity maybe you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4210">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► larger slow our fans with massive heat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► sinks somehow if they do that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► thing then they could increase the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► capacity enough to maybe have at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► mid-range desktop-class GPUs and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► could also add more but again like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► high would that actually be able to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:32 ◼ ► before it questions the need for the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4232">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► Pro tower right so I'm guessing you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► it would probably be obviously limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► to just one GPU but maybe it maybe again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:42 ◼ ► like limited to like like the PC mid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4242">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► rings at the kind of pc GPUs you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► usually get for like 200 bucks like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:47 ◼ ► kind of class you know and so and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4247">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► it might have a higher ram ceiling you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:53 ◼ ► know cuz right now the imac is 32 maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4253">TS</a>]
01:10:56 ◼ ► the imac pro in finger quotes goes to 64 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4256">TS</a>]
01:10:59 ◼ ► and the macro goes to 128 you know stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4259">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► stuff like that the imac pro probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:04 ◼ ► wouldn't have all of the Thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4264">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► like you know the Mac Pro has like three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:09 ◼ ► Thunderbolt buses you know you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4269">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► new one probably have a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► arrangement but suffice to say that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► would max out however many pci express [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► lanes and Thunderbolt however much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► Thunderbolt BAM what they could get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► mac pro would have the most and the imac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► pro would probably have closer to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► consumer level of them and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► maybe and maybe die mac pro would retain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4287">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► older ports for longer maybe like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► they drop ethernet say or the SD card or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:35 ◼ ► whatever i think he turns a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4295">TS</a>]
01:11:37 ◼ ► example if they drop ethernet off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4297">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► imac in the consumer line maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► keep it in the imac proline or if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► drop upgradable ram out of the consumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► purloined so like I think there are ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► they can do the imac pro that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► interfere with the mac pro but not only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► am I very surprised that they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4315">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► to but I'm very excited to see what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4318">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► imac pro is because that might end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► being the computer threat for me because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► i actually don't need a lot of what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:05 ◼ ► Mac Pro offers I just I really just need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4325">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► the massive CPU power nap being said as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► I stare at my 5k imac with the horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► image retention but i i'm starting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► wonder maybe maybe i would still go that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► way anyway the big question with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► imac pro for me is was this product plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► before or after they decided they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► doing the new mac pro because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► really dictates the design because if i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► think about it in this in the new world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:31 ◼ ► where they're saying hey we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4351">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► have a new modular mac pro i think oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► well then this imac with stuff for pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► people just going to be like a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:43 ◼ ► Thunderbolt 3 a little bit faster GPU a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4363">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► little bit faster cpu all the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► classes just like better components all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► around a new high-end what we used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4371">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► call a plain old speed bump right but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► this new imac was planned and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4377">TS</a>]
01:13:00 ◼ ► it because this new i like is coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4380">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► this year right so this is not like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► distant thing it's coming this year if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:05 ◼ ► this new imac had been planned at a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4385">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► when apple's like we're not doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► mac pro anymore and this was going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:12 ◼ ► their replacement to satisfy everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4392">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► then i start saying well maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:16 ◼ ► could put izzy on it you know maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4396">TS</a>]
01:13:21 ◼ ► all the things that you said like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4401">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► news x99 series and use a desktop class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:25 ◼ ► GP like that's the only reason I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:28 ◼ ► we would get that and that machine I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4408">TS</a>]
01:13:29 ◼ ► think makes less sense for Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4409">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► invest in in in in a situation where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:34 ◼ ► they really are making new Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4414">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► because who in the world would buy that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► when they have the option to buy a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:39 ◼ ► modular Mac Pro like if you need that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4419">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► stuff if you feel like you need tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► cores and you need a faster GPU and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:45 ◼ ► stuff like why wouldn't you go with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4425">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► modular one it's it's so much better you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► know because then if your monitor does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:49 ◼ ► have image retention you can just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4429">TS</a>]
01:13:50 ◼ ► know ship the monitor back or get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4430">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► different monitors that have chuck in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► the whole machine like all in one is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4433">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► configure a system to your specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4437">TS</a>]
01:13:59 ◼ ► needs right so really this machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4439">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► depending on when it was when it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:07 ◼ ► created and what Apple's planned for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4447">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► was it could've not being this weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► one-off where somehow by some miracle we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:14 ◼ ► get an imac with a Z on in but then that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4454">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► goes away as soon as the new Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:17 ◼ ► comes because like what the hell's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4457">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► point of an imac with Izzy on it when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► you've got the mac pro but for the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► part I'm thinking that this new imac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► will basically be like the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► top-of-the-line 5k imac but every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► component of it just be a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► better and also a thunderbolt 3 and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4470">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► think they they could sell that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► saying this is this is a mat imac that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► has more appeal to Pro users than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► previous one but to me it would just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► a speed bump in the old style where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► just took it for granted that every year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► the computers the Apple sells at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► components upgraded to be Sully better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► and every couple of years they would get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:52 ◼ ► a new generation kind of my car so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4492">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► though they don't tend to get horsepower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4494">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► bumps but you know there's a generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4496">TS</a>]
01:14:57 ◼ ► of car and they improve a year after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4497">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► year after year and there's a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► generation they used to happen with max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► to every year they would get a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► bit faster we used to be disappointed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► speed mouse remember that it was like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► they just did a speed bump word now we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► would kill for speed bumps please just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:12 ◼ ► component a little bit faster make you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► know the just just make everything a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:16 ◼ ► little bit better and that will hold us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4516">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► over until next year and so they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► don't update stuff at all anymore so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► yeah my for the imac I'm interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:25 ◼ ► what it will be as well but the promise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4525">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► of a real new Mac Pro is probably going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► no matter what a new real new Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► with an apple monitor the only way i'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► end up with that imac is if my computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► dies i will get it i will get an imac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:40 ◼ ► and then i will get the new mac pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4540">TS</a>]
01:15:42 ◼ ► after that but if my little 2008 Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4542">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► can hold out as I've said a joke about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► in many past shows if we can go for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► full decade two thousand eight to twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► eighteen 10-year the service life of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► computer if I can make it I will and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:57 ◼ ► not I'll get an imac yeah I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4557">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► think you guys are right that and I'm an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:02 ◼ ► imac pro would just be more of whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4562">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► the top of the line a 5k imac is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► would potentially have more ports I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► think Marco your example of ethernet is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► a phenomenal one because i think apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► itching to get rid of that for the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► part but what Pro users the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:18 ◼ ► person that would want to move humongous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4578">TS</a>]
01:16:20 ◼ ► bits of data around then they already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4580">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► get rid of it I don't think my 5km I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► know all the imax still have it yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► imax i think the mini still does too but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► who's who cares what the me I gotta go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► look I don't think one does continue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► talking I'll be back in a second John I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► of the most modern 5k imac I believe and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:36 ◼ ► it absolutely has anything it definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4596">TS</a>]
01:16:39 ◼ ► still has if you want to check yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4599">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► think would have more ports like Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► said potentially more ram the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:45 ◼ ► thing I wanted to bring up though is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4605">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► I don't know anything about this so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► maybe this is completely bananas but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► what about like VR so I know the VR is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► super intensive and in it requires just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4615">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► tremendous GPU power but is it feasible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4618">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► to have a 5k I Mac Pro that maybe does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► VR because vr is kind of that in between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► right where you need tremendous hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► but you don't necessarily need to go all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► the way to a mac pro for that sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► thing do you so maybe like maybe that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► the target is you could use an oculus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► understand that at last i heard our key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► lock euless isn't supporting mac OS but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► just for the sake last example doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► make any harbor this fast enough and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► right exactly I don't think you can fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► a VR capable with current to be our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► standards we are capable GPU inside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:36 ◼ ► imac right unless again unless unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4656">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► this is the imac we're talking about was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► the one that was designed and planned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► and executed for an age without the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:46 ◼ ► pro because there's plenty of room back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4666">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► they're to add stuff to the back of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:48 ◼ ► monitor they could put much more capable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4668">TS</a>]
01:17:50 ◼ ► cooling like they have a lot of area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4670">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► especially between the 5k one there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► lot of area behind that monitor to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4674">TS</a>]
01:17:55 ◼ ► stuff you can spread it out far away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4675">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► from each other you can get lots of air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4676">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► flowing over things and you have tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4678">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► options but the only way such a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:03 ◼ ► would exist as if it was if it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4683">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► something that was supposed to be in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► lineup that doesn't include the mac pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:09 ◼ ► and in which case I think it would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4689">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► one-off so you think you think apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► official message is if you ever wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:15 ◼ ► to do vr we have an answer for you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4695">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► it's a five-thousand-dollar Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► maybe I mean it depends like I think VR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► is you know right now in even in the pc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► world vr requires like the highest and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4705">TS</a>]
01:18:27 ◼ ► hardware because it's really new and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4707">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► it's incredibly taxing on GPUs but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:33 ◼ ► know everything that comes out that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4713">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► like a new type of thing you can do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► GPUs requires the best GPUs and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► look at like you know gaming and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► know which is what VR is obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:45 ◼ ► involved with typically what happens is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4725">TS</a>]
01:18:48 ◼ ► you know in a few years more pedestrian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4728">TS</a>]
01:18:51 ◼ ► GPUs will be able to handle VR in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4731">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► same way that today you can run a 3d [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4734">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► game on a macbook pro but you may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4736">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► just can't turn all the settings up so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► you can't have like all the super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► high-resolution super-high detail levels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► things like that so VR is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► the same way like right now it requires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► these massive things but you know in two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► years you know because you know an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► apples patient you know it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► they're not going to design a whole new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:15 ◼ ► product line with this i Mac Pro that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4755">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► would be only be able to do VR with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► massive thing on the back of it but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► in two years that wouldn't be necessary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► anymore like so I don't basically I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► think that by the time the new Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► comes out and we see you know the kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► of stuff that you know what whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► new Mac Pro balance with the pro iMac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► and the regular imac is I think by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► time I'll get settled settled out vr [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► will run fine on mid-range hardware and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► so this that question will be kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► moot now if you want like a really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► VR set up you're probably going to want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► you know a high end gaming PC or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4789">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► equivalent hardware in a mac pro but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► that's a different story we're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4794">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► early in VR because there is so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4795">TS</a>]
01:19:58 ◼ ► Headroom Justin resolution like it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4798">TS</a>]
01:20:01 ◼ ► not going back to doom where the pixels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4801">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► are the size of boulders but like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► need a high-end rig just to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► current best VR you know goggle setups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► incredibly grainy from the perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► of what you would expect from like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► modern 2d regular PC game so there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:21 ◼ ► huge amount of capacity for new GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4821">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► power that will purely be absorbed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► making things less ridiculously dotty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► and it doesn't mean like you can be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:31 ◼ ► mid-range system so at least it will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4831">TS</a>]
01:20:33 ◼ ► possible right so you're right about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4833">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► that like suddenly it's possible on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:36 ◼ ► mid-range systems but the appetite for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4836">TS</a>]
01:20:38 ◼ ► high-end bull will not go away for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4838">TS</a>]
01:20:40 ◼ ► long time just because you know at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4840">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► very least you're doing twice the work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:44 ◼ ► for VR because you have two different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4844">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► images are two different eyes and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:46 ◼ ► just goes up from there in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4846">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► sensor fusion and response times for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:50 ◼ ► getting things to your eyeballs as fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4850">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► as possible in a very very demanding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► environment where every millisecond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4855">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► counts so that's why I feel like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4857">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► always need a high-end rig to rig to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► high-end rig or something like PS we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:03 ◼ ► where it is a purpose-built system that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4863">TS</a>]
01:21:05 ◼ ► is not a general-purpose computer but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4865">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► that is designed specifically do VR and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:09 ◼ ► it has strict constraints on latency and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/4869">TS</a>]
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01:28:08 ◼ ► going to sever monitor that's all I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5288">TS</a>]
01:28:09 ◼ ► yeah that's it just separate monitor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5289">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► well and I think what they mean you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► it turns out if you if you can describe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:16 ◼ ► the configurability of a pc tower that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5296">TS</a>]
01:28:19 ◼ ► we've had for decades like that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5299">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► modular like well I think what they mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:24 ◼ ► exactly what I was gonna say yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5304">TS</a>]
01:28:26 ◼ ► user-replaceable ram you maybe use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5306">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► replaceable CPU maybe user replaceable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► graphics card it's basically a cheese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:33 ◼ ► grater mac pro but presumably done in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5313">TS</a>]
01:28:36 ◼ ► much more modern fashion but with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5316">TS</a>]
01:28:38 ◼ ► same amount of upgradeability and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5318">TS</a>]
01:28:40 ◼ ► would say it doesn't even necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5320">TS</a>]
01:28:41 ◼ ► need to be user replaceable on these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5321">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► parts I think what Apple means by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:45 ◼ ► modular is they can configure the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5325">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► general case in different ways to suit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:53 ◼ ► different types of needs at purchase so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5333">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► macpro tower could be configured with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5336">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► the one or two CPUs you know three or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5338">TS</a>]
01:29:00 ◼ ► six ram slots any number up to five I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5340">TS</a>]
01:29:04 ◼ ► think of PCI Express cards two books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5344">TS</a>]
01:29:06 ◼ ► have GPU or three of which could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5346">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► GPU bandwidth I think four discs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► opticals like there were all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:11 ◼ ► different configurations and this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5351">TS</a>]
01:29:13 ◼ ► product that Apple you know this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5353">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► case with this one power supply with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:18 ◼ ► this one set of supporting components [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5358">TS</a>]
01:29:20 ◼ ► could be configured by Apple in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5360">TS</a>]
01:29:22 ◼ ► modular fashion to solve a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5362">TS</a>]
01:29:25 ◼ ► people's needs differently in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5365">TS</a>]
01:29:27 ◼ ► product that's what the pc tower gave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5367">TS</a>]
01:29:30 ◼ ► Apple that's what the Mac Pro had until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5370">TS</a>]
01:29:32 ◼ ► 2013 and so when they say modular I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► pretty sure that's the kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► they're describing as opposed to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:39 ◼ ► 2013 which is with this model you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5379">TS</a>]
01:29:42 ◼ ► one cpu and two mid-range GPUs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5382">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► that's it like there was it was one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:46 ◼ ► configuration you could make with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5386">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► one so that is what i would expect by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:50 ◼ ► the word modular so I wouldn't get your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5390">TS</a>]
01:29:53 ◼ ► hopes up anybody out there about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5393">TS</a>]
01:29:55 ◼ ► stacked components idea or even as as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5395">TS</a>]
01:29:59 ◼ ► replaceable stuff like you know I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5399">TS</a>]
01:30:01 ◼ ► like the RAM probably will be storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5401">TS</a>]
01:30:04 ◼ ► maybe processors probably not i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5404">TS</a>]
01:30:08 ◼ ► like cpu upgrades haven't really been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5408">TS</a>]
01:30:12 ◼ ► practical thing for quite some time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5412">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► because basically like sockets that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► cpu plug into and like the motherboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:18 ◼ ► chipsets and everything those changed so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5418">TS</a>]
01:30:21 ◼ ► frequently that you can't really upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5421">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► to a processor that is newer than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► one you have you can you can move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:28 ◼ ► laterally like within the same family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5428">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► like if you bought the low-end one in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► the family and then two years later you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► can find the high-end one for sale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► somewhere you could put that in but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:38 ◼ ► difference between the low and the high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5438">TS</a>]
01:30:39 ◼ ► end within a single family like in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5439">TS</a>]
01:30:41 ◼ ► single year isn't that big it like five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5441">TS</a>]
01:30:43 ◼ ► percent most of the time you could get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5443">TS</a>]
01:30:45 ◼ ► more cores with the mac pro but again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5445">TS</a>]
01:30:47 ◼ ► it's like it's a it's not as big of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5447">TS</a>]
01:30:50 ◼ ► game as just buying a new one would get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5450">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► you and doing a cpu upgrade on a modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5452">TS</a>]
01:30:56 ◼ ► computer especially a mac pro with these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5456">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► giant Zeon's in it involves so much like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5457">TS</a>]
01:31:00 ◼ ► messing with delicate and very important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5460">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► thermal management things giant heat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:05 ◼ ► sinks moving the fans around dealing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5465">TS</a>]
01:31:07 ◼ ► with these little fragile sockets and ow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5467">TS</a>]
01:31:09 ◼ ► pins the bottom of them like it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5469">TS</a>]
01:31:11 ◼ ► such a a crazy ordeal to put most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5471">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► through I would not expect anybody today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► to consider the CPU in an average [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:20 ◼ ► person's computer to be user replaceable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5480">TS</a>]
01:31:21 ◼ ► so I definitely would not expect that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5481">TS</a>]
01:31:24 ◼ ► ever happen again with Apple that's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5484">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► know it wouldn't surprise me to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:27 ◼ ► pubis tower to the board probably not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5487">TS</a>]
01:31:29 ◼ ► for component management reasons but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5489">TS</a>]
01:31:30 ◼ ► wouldn't surprise me so I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5490">TS</a>]
01:31:32 ◼ ► poo poo the the external stuff too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5492">TS</a>]
01:31:34 ◼ ► because you're just like Oh nothing's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5494">TS</a>]
01:31:36 ◼ ► ever going to be external it's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5496">TS</a>]
01:31:37 ◼ ► the right choice for the mac pro but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5497">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► Thunderbolt 3 does let you have things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:44 ◼ ► that were previously inside the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5504">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► conceivable but it advisable that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:51 ◼ ► could say hey we've solved the GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5511">TS</a>]
01:31:54 ◼ ► upgrading problem by putting it in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5514">TS</a>]
01:31:56 ◼ ► separate box and already talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5516">TS</a>]
01:31:58 ◼ ► the Thunder ball three does not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5518">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► enough bandwidth to fully satisfy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:03 ◼ ► very very very top end cards in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5523">TS</a>]
01:32:05 ◼ ► specific application where they need all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5525">TS</a>]
01:32:07 ◼ ► the PCI Express lanes that they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5527">TS</a>]
01:32:09 ◼ ► have internally because the external [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5529">TS</a>]
01:32:12 ◼ ► internally maybe you could gang tables [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5532">TS</a>]
01:32:13 ◼ ► together or something like that but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5533">TS</a>]
01:32:16 ◼ ► could do that but as you said another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5536">TS</a>]
01:32:19 ◼ ► external power supply cooling like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5539">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► awkward the role of that is to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:23 ◼ ► laptop have a decent GPU if Apple was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5543">TS</a>]
01:32:27 ◼ ► ever going to do something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5547">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► they would do it for a laptop because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5548">TS</a>]
01:32:31 ◼ ► wouldn't it be cool if you could put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5551">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► your laptop down and then connect it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:35 ◼ ► with Thunderbolt 32 GPU that is not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5555">TS</a>]
01:32:39 ◼ ► highest of the high end but it's so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5559">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► faster than the GPU that's inside your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:43 ◼ ► case that it's a win so my hope my first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5563">TS</a>]
01:32:46 ◼ ► hope with the modular thing which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5566">TS</a>]
01:32:48 ◼ ► interpreted this is the same as Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5568">TS</a>]
01:32:50 ◼ ► which is basically I'm just saying it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5570">TS</a>]
01:32:51 ◼ ► a separate monitor I'm not even talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5571">TS</a>]
01:32:53 ◼ ► about the internals interesting if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5573">TS</a>]
01:32:54 ◼ ► there's a box that doesn't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5574">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► monitor it and as a monitor connected to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5575">TS</a>]
01:32:57 ◼ ► it that's my interpretation of modular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5577">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► that's not modular that's no different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:00 ◼ ► than the current mac pro right but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5580">TS</a>]
01:33:02 ◼ ► not the imac it's that's what to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5582">TS</a>]
01:33:04 ◼ ► like we're going to make a new mac pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5584">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► and that's their way of saying and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:07 ◼ ► not going to be an imac fro like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5587">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► how I read yeah at their statement the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:11 ◼ ► broadest level right so what what I hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5591">TS</a>]
01:33:13 ◼ ► my first hope is that they do not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5593">TS</a>]
01:33:17 ◼ ► Thunderbolt on the new mac pro because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5597">TS</a>]
01:33:19 ◼ ► again the whole point of this computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5599">TS</a>]
01:33:23 ◼ ► fastest thing that money can buy and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5603">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► you connect the GPU with a thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:27 ◼ ► three cable you are ready down behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5607">TS</a>]
01:33:29 ◼ ► all the people who have internal stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5609">TS</a>]
01:33:31 ◼ ► forget about having a CPU connected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5611">TS</a>]
01:33:33 ◼ ► separately from this and that you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5613">TS</a>]
01:33:34 ◼ ► just plain old taking on the GPU outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5614">TS</a>]
01:33:37 ◼ ► the box is a bad idea from packaging and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5617">TS</a>]
01:33:41 ◼ ► perspective really that I think to me as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5621">TS</a>]
01:33:44 ◼ ► we think through like what the new Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5624">TS</a>]
01:33:46 ◼ ► Pro should be and what it's likely to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5626">TS</a>]
01:33:48 ◼ ► the question of whether the GPU is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5628">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► internal or external I think decides a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5631">TS</a>]
01:33:54 ◼ ► lot of it for us and and I'm with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5634">TS</a>]
01:33:56 ◼ ► John I think once you think it through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5636">TS</a>]
01:33:58 ◼ ► and think through the realities like no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5638">TS</a>]
01:34:01 ◼ ► question that Thunderbolt is great and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5641">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► you can do external GPUs or thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:04 ◼ ► now but and they actually if you look up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5644">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► like I know bare feet scom did a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:09 ◼ ► of tests a few months back and it turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5649">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► out that external GPUs for a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:14 ◼ ► applications it didn't really involve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5654">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► tons of transfer to and from main memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:18 ◼ ► they actually did pretty well in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5658">TS</a>]
01:34:21 ◼ ► external boxes yeah they can be just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5661">TS</a>]
01:34:23 ◼ ► fast if you're not constrained by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5663">TS</a>]
01:34:24 ◼ ► bandwidth they're exactly as fast as if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5664">TS</a>]
01:34:26 ◼ ► they were internal but again the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5666">TS</a>]
01:34:28 ◼ ► point of this computer is to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5668">TS</a>]
01:34:30 ◼ ► absolute fastest at everything and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5670">TS</a>]
01:34:32 ◼ ► you're doing some work load that does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5672">TS</a>]
01:34:33 ◼ ► take advantage of all those lines now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5673">TS</a>]
01:34:35 ◼ ► you're down some number of PCI Express [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5675">TS</a>]
01:34:37 ◼ ► lanes now you're down bandwidth why why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5677">TS</a>]
01:34:39 ◼ ► take that hit for what advantages like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5679">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► oh well if its external we can upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:42 ◼ ► easily well guess what if its internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5682">TS</a>]
01:34:44 ◼ ► you can upgrade easily through this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5684">TS</a>]
01:34:45 ◼ ► amazing technology we call cards no but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5685">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► without that I was gonna get into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:50 ◼ ► upgrade business but like like you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5690">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► you both said Apple can upgrade it maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:54 ◼ ► they'll never let you upgrade it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5694">TS</a>]
01:34:55 ◼ ► next year they can swap out one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5695">TS</a>]
01:34:57 ◼ ► GPUs and put in a new one and say here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5697">TS</a>]
01:34:59 ◼ ► the speed bump to mac pro now with new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5699">TS</a>]
01:35:02 ◼ ► GPU options because we built them with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5702">TS</a>]
01:35:04 ◼ ► enough cooling capacity that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5704">TS</a>]
01:35:05 ◼ ► what we're talking about here not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5705">TS</a>]
01:35:07 ◼ ► like oh you'll be able to take your GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5707">TS</a>]
01:35:09 ◼ ► out and put in new and yourself which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5709">TS</a>]
01:35:10 ◼ ► you probably will be able to do by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5710">TS</a>]
01:35:11 ◼ ► taking PC GPUs and flashing them and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5711">TS</a>]
01:35:13 ◼ ► the other stuff but in terms of apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5713">TS</a>]
01:35:15 ◼ ► support and stuff that in internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5715">TS</a>]
01:35:18 ◼ ► versus external does not give Apple any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5718">TS</a>]
01:35:20 ◼ ► more flexibility in terms of modularity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5720">TS</a>]
01:35:22 ◼ ► right and I also like I like kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5722">TS</a>]
01:35:25 ◼ ► like product wise i cannot see Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5725">TS</a>]
01:35:28 ◼ ► shipping a portion of a computer that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5728">TS</a>]
01:35:31 ◼ ► does not contain a GPU like their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5731">TS</a>]
01:35:34 ◼ ► contain the internal one and they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5734">TS</a>]
01:35:37 ◼ ► God like a computer these days needs a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5737">TS</a>]
01:35:41 ◼ ► GPU to do anything all right like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5741">TS</a>]
01:35:42 ◼ ► not gonna use me people that GPU sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5742">TS</a>]
01:35:44 ◼ ► linux people or you know in bed of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5744">TS</a>]
01:35:45 ◼ ► routers but you know for that I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5745">TS</a>]
01:35:47 ◼ ► talking about that and so they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5747">TS</a>]
01:35:49 ◼ ► going to sell you like the the base Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5749">TS</a>]
01:35:51 ◼ ► Pro box that doesn't have a GPU they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5751">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► going to put one in there like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5755">TS</a>]
01:35:57 ◼ ► not the way Apple would do things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5757">TS</a>]
01:35:58 ◼ ► without that so if you're going to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5758">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► a GPU that comes with the computer it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:02 ◼ ► might as well be internal like that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5762">TS</a>]
01:36:04 ◼ ► would make no sense to put external so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5764">TS</a>]
01:36:05 ◼ ► think once you have kind of realized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5765">TS</a>]
01:36:10 ◼ ► internal GPU and they've already talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5770">TS</a>]
01:36:13 ◼ ► about modularity and they've talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5773">TS</a>]
01:36:14 ◼ ► about upgrades easily in the future you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5774">TS</a>]
01:36:17 ◼ ► know for them updates I should say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5777">TS</a>]
01:36:18 ◼ ► updates easily in the future they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5778">TS</a>]
01:36:21 ◼ ► basically going towards a pc tower right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5781">TS</a>]
01:36:24 ◼ ► so what other parts of a pc tower are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5784">TS</a>]
01:36:27 ◼ ► still needed today you know we mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5787">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► earlier they needed there's lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:32 ◼ ► things like you know optical drive bays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5792">TS</a>]
01:36:33 ◼ ► that you don't really need anymore right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5793">TS</a>]
01:36:35 ◼ ► upgradeable ram is an easy one that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5795">TS</a>]
01:36:38 ◼ ► going to be in there but we already have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5798">TS</a>]
01:36:39 ◼ ► that you don't need to make a tower to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5799">TS</a>]
01:36:41 ◼ ► have you know you have it in the imac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5801">TS</a>]
01:36:43 ◼ ► recently so we already have upgradeable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5803">TS</a>]
01:36:46 ◼ ► ram you know you can just have a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5806">TS</a>]
01:36:47 ◼ ► time the door somewhere and have that be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5807">TS</a>]
01:36:49 ◼ ► it so you don't need a tower for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5809">TS</a>]
01:36:50 ◼ ► you don't need optical bays you John you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5810">TS</a>]
01:36:55 ◼ ► said earlier that you don't need three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5815">TS</a>]
01:36:57 ◼ ► and a half inch bays I think you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5817">TS</a>]
01:36:58 ◼ ► probably right but I'm not a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5818">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► percent confident in that because here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:03 ◼ ► the thing when I first when I was first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5823">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► thinking you know you don't really need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:07 ◼ ► three and a half inch drive bays anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5827">TS</a>]
01:37:09 ◼ ► because you can today you can get a four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5829">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► terabyte SSD all right and it's not it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:14 ◼ ► isn't even that ridiculously expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5834">TS</a>]
01:37:15 ◼ ► and the two terabyte ones which is about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5835">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► as much space as most people need on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► terabyte SSDs are actually inexpensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:23 ◼ ► now they're actually like only a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5843">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► hundred hours and by the time this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:27 ◼ ► comes out in you know 2018 or beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5847">TS</a>]
01:37:30 ◼ ► that'll be even cheaper and so at first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5850">TS</a>]
01:37:33 ◼ ► I was like well you don't really need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5853">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► three and a half inch base because what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5854">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► if SSDs can be that cheap they can put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:39 ◼ ► couple of like the stick kind and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5859">TS</a>]
01:37:40 ◼ ► not even saying like you know if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5860">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► a building computer to have a bunch SSDs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:44 ◼ ► in it you might use 2.5 inch drive base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5864">TS</a>]
01:37:47 ◼ ► which is like a little one that SSDs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5867">TS</a>]
01:37:50 ◼ ► that's starred skeuomorphism right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5870">TS</a>]
01:37:52 ◼ ► 215 and jess's these come on right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5872">TS</a>]
01:37:55 ◼ ► you don't even need that anymore because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5875">TS</a>]
01:37:57 ◼ ► not only are the SSDs a lot smaller but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5877">TS</a>]
01:37:59 ◼ ► also like the interface standards like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5879">TS</a>]
01:38:01 ◼ ► the the SATA standard PCI Express you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5881">TS</a>]
01:38:04 ◼ ► not coming through SATA that's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5884">TS</a>]
01:38:05 ◼ ► spinning disk exactly so like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5885">TS</a>]
01:38:08 ◼ ► going to have some kind of directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5888">TS</a>]
01:38:09 ◼ ► connected PCI Express SSDs and whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5889">TS</a>]
01:38:11 ◼ ► they're on little slots like a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5891">TS</a>]
01:38:12 ◼ ► like em to stick things whatever they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5892">TS</a>]
01:38:14 ◼ ► are they're probably going to be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5894">TS</a>]
01:38:16 ◼ ► slots where I at least for Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5896">TS</a>]
01:38:17 ◼ ► surface and replace them when they die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5897">TS</a>]
01:38:18 ◼ ► so and it would be nice to have more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5898">TS</a>]
01:38:21 ◼ ► than one of those it'd be great to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5901">TS</a>]
01:38:22 ◼ ► to SSD slots maybe so you can configure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5902">TS</a>]
01:38:25 ◼ ► it at purchase time probably with more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5905">TS</a>]
01:38:27 ◼ ► stories that be awesome but I wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5907">TS</a>]
01:38:30 ◼ ► expect more than that for ssds however [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5910">TS</a>]
01:38:32 ◼ ► you can kind of make an argument that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5912">TS</a>]
01:38:35 ◼ ► you know if they would just put like one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5915">TS</a>]
01:38:37 ◼ ► or two three and a half inch bays in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5917">TS</a>]
01:38:39 ◼ ► there you know a ten terabyte hard disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5919">TS</a>]
01:38:43 ◼ ► is just four hundred bucks right now but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5923">TS</a>]
01:38:46 ◼ ► it's just too slow it is really slow to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5926">TS</a>]
01:38:49 ◼ ► be your to be your boot drive right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5929">TS</a>]
01:38:51 ◼ ► like put Pro users so many Pro users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5931">TS</a>]
01:38:54 ◼ ► need to work with very large files that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5934">TS</a>]
01:38:57 ◼ ► they almost all of them use these these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5937">TS</a>]
01:39:02 ◼ ► complicated loud giant external raid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5942">TS</a>]
01:39:05 ◼ ► boxes and stuff if you would put two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5945">TS</a>]
01:39:07 ◼ ► three and a half range Bay's inside this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5947">TS</a>]
01:39:09 ◼ ► machine that could accommodate lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5949">TS</a>]
01:39:11 ◼ ► that in a really nice way now I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5951">TS</a>]
01:39:14 ◼ ► definitely one Apple should do and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5954">TS</a>]
01:39:16 ◼ ► almost certainly not saying that this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5956">TS</a>]
01:39:18 ◼ ► what they will do I bet they there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5958">TS</a>]
01:39:19 ◼ ► I really want this any chance they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5959">TS</a>]
01:39:21 ◼ ► they would do this but a three and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5961">TS</a>]
01:39:24 ◼ ► half inch day inside something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5964">TS</a>]
01:39:26 ◼ ► big enough to have a GPU on a slot is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5966">TS</a>]
01:39:28 ◼ ► nothing it's like three and half days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5968">TS</a>]
01:39:30 ◼ ► aren't that big right and so you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5970">TS</a>]
01:39:33 ◼ ► wouldn't take a lot for Apple to fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5973">TS</a>]
01:39:36 ◼ ► this into whatever shape this is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5976">TS</a>]
01:39:38 ◼ ► to take that that being said though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5978">TS</a>]
01:39:39 ◼ ► again I don't think they will I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5979">TS</a>]
01:39:41 ◼ ► that's very realistic but I would go the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5981">TS</a>]
01:39:43 ◼ ► reverse of what you said I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5983">TS</a>]
01:39:44 ◼ ► that I don't think they should do it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5984">TS</a>]
01:39:48 ◼ ► i can actually envision them doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5988">TS</a>]
01:39:50 ◼ ► because they really are having this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5990">TS</a>]
01:39:52 ◼ ► self reflective moment about the man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5992">TS</a>]
01:39:55 ◼ ► marrow and atoning for mistakes i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5995">TS</a>]
01:39:57 ◼ ► they would actually entertain the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5997">TS</a>]
01:39:58 ◼ ► which is you know inconceivable from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/5998">TS</a>]
01:40:03 ◼ ► they would entertain this idea but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6003">TS</a>]
01:40:04 ◼ ► think they should not do it like my my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6004">TS</a>]
01:40:07 ◼ ► vision of what if I had advised them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6007">TS</a>]
01:40:08 ◼ ► both what they should make him but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6008">TS</a>]
01:40:10 ◼ ► I want which coincidentally are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6010">TS</a>]
01:40:11 ◼ ► close to the same thing did I think all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6011">TS</a>]
01:40:16 ◼ ► they need to do to atone is all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6016">TS</a>]
01:40:17 ◼ ► things there he said they're going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6017">TS</a>]
01:40:18 ◼ ► which is make it so that you can change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6018">TS</a>]
01:40:20 ◼ ► the parts year-over-year to make them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6020">TS</a>]
01:40:21 ◼ ► faster which necessitates a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6021">TS</a>]
01:40:24 ◼ ► amount of cooling and power structure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6024">TS</a>]
01:40:25 ◼ ► and honestly for the past since the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6025">TS</a>]
01:40:29 ◼ ► power mac g5 the probe apple desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6029">TS</a>]
01:40:34 ◼ ► line has you know Dave Johnny I've even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6034">TS</a>]
01:40:37 ◼ ► said in his own intro video for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6037">TS</a>]
01:40:38 ◼ ► power mac g5 has been basically making a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6038">TS</a>]
01:40:42 ◼ ► box to extract heat from components like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6042">TS</a>]
01:40:45 ◼ ► that is modeled after a heat exchanger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6045">TS</a>]
01:40:47 ◼ ► like that's why the cheese grater looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6047">TS</a>]
01:40:49 ◼ ► the way it does he actually talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6049">TS</a>]
01:40:50 ◼ ► heat exchangers like you know up and up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6050">TS</a>]
01:40:52 ◼ ► in a room or whatever take air one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6052">TS</a>]
01:40:54 ◼ ► temperature in and extract heat from it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6054">TS</a>]
01:40:56 ◼ ► and you know like that's what these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6056">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► boxes are all about the cheese grater is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:00 ◼ ► about that the the the trash can is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6060">TS</a>]
01:41:02 ◼ ► about that it's a chimney right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6062">TS</a>]
01:41:04 ◼ ► megabox or doesn't to be a box make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6064">TS</a>]
01:41:07 ◼ ► make a case that can support the thermal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6067">TS</a>]
01:41:09 ◼ ► load of all the parts that you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6069">TS</a>]
01:41:11 ◼ ► possibly put in it that means you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6071">TS</a>]
01:41:12 ◼ ► to support two really hot cpus maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6072">TS</a>]
01:41:18 ◼ ► combination thereof so you can upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6078">TS</a>]
01:41:19 ◼ ► them year-over-year you have to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6079">TS</a>]
01:41:21 ◼ ► excess capacity and one great thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6081">TS</a>]
01:41:22 ◼ ► about cheese grater is it has excess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6082">TS</a>]
01:41:24 ◼ ► cooling capacity like it was made for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6084">TS</a>]
01:41:27 ◼ ► chips on such an old process that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6087">TS</a>]
01:41:29 ◼ ► so incredibly hot like I mean they made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6089">TS</a>]
01:41:31 ◼ ► a water-cooled one at one point you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6091">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► there was room for that in there there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:34 ◼ ► so much you know you can cool almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6094">TS</a>]
01:41:36 ◼ ► anything in this box it is huge it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6096">TS</a>]
01:41:38 ◼ ► direct airflow from back to front you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6098">TS</a>]
01:41:40 ◼ ► know works great you have plenty of room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6100">TS</a>]
01:41:42 ◼ ► for different arrangement of fans not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6102">TS</a>]
01:41:43 ◼ ► that I'm saying they're gonna make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6103">TS</a>]
01:41:44 ◼ ► something that big but so make a box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6104">TS</a>]
01:41:45 ◼ ► with adequate cooling and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6105">TS</a>]
01:41:48 ◼ ► upgradable and the next thing I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6108">TS</a>]
01:41:51 ◼ ► that we need to do is get what you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6111">TS</a>]
01:41:52 ◼ ► getting at it's like what things can we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6112">TS</a>]
01:41:54 ◼ ► remove obviously you need to have tons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6114">TS</a>]
01:41:55 ◼ ► of ports all Thunder both free and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6115">TS</a>]
01:41:57 ◼ ► that other stuff you know high-speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6117">TS</a>]
01:41:58 ◼ ► Ethernet put 10 gig Ethernet on put two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6118">TS</a>]
01:42:02 ◼ ► everything you can use all those pci [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6122">TS</a>]
01:42:03 ◼ ► express lanes on the back of the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6123">TS</a>]
01:42:04 ◼ ► and then for storage i think it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6124">TS</a>]
01:42:08 ◼ ► the right thing to do to have more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6128">TS</a>]
01:42:10 ◼ ► one internal storage thingy more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6130">TS</a>]
01:42:13 ◼ ► one internal SSD because they are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6133">TS</a>]
01:42:17 ◼ ► 3.5 inch drive for bulk storage again I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6137">TS</a>]
01:42:19 ◼ ► think they might consider especially if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6139">TS</a>]
01:42:20 ◼ ► they have a lot of room in the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6140">TS</a>]
01:42:21 ◼ ► because well for all the reasons you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6141">TS</a>]
01:42:23 ◼ ► said but I think they should not do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6143">TS</a>]
01:42:24 ◼ ► instead they should let me have three or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6144">TS</a>]
01:42:26 ◼ ► four internal SSDs which they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6146">TS</a>]
01:42:28 ◼ ► charge an arm and a leg for but that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6148">TS</a>]
01:42:31 ◼ ► think gives all the advantage you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6151">TS</a>]
01:42:32 ◼ ► looking for which is like you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6152">TS</a>]
01:42:34 ◼ ► if I don't want to have a giant raid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6154">TS</a>]
01:42:35 ◼ ► array I just want to have adequate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6155">TS</a>]
01:42:36 ◼ ► internal storage and SSDs you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6156">TS</a>]
01:42:40 ◼ ► can only get them so big but if I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6160">TS</a>]
01:42:42 ◼ ► have 42 gig internal SSDs that are super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6162">TS</a>]
01:42:48 ◼ ► fast because their internal right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6168">TS</a>]
01:42:50 ◼ ► that's what you want out of it I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6170">TS</a>]
01:42:51 ◼ ► there's plenty of room for one to two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6171">TS</a>]
01:42:54 ◼ ► GPUs one to two CPUs and one two three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6174">TS</a>]
01:42:58 ◼ ► or four very fast PCI Express SSD thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6178">TS</a>]
01:43:02 ◼ ► and that to me looks like in whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6182">TS</a>]
01:43:04 ◼ ► shape they put it a modern Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6184">TS</a>]
01:43:07 ◼ ► especially if you're saying those SSDs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6187">TS</a>]
01:43:08 ◼ ► eventually be replaced with obtain you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6188">TS</a>]
01:43:10 ◼ ► know three crosspoint whatever thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6190">TS</a>]
01:43:13 ◼ ► Intel's coming up with it's even faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6193">TS</a>]
01:43:14 ◼ ► still is that how you say that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6194">TS</a>]
01:43:16 ◼ ► know X point but you know anyway like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6196">TS</a>]
01:43:19 ◼ ► that's the point of this machine very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6199">TS</a>]
01:43:21 ◼ ► very fast storage and yeah external [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6201">TS</a>]
01:43:23 ◼ ► storage is great for bulk storage and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6203">TS</a>]
01:43:24 ◼ ► everything but it'll never be as fast as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6204">TS</a>]
01:43:26 ◼ ► internal storage and I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6206">TS</a>]
01:43:28 ◼ ► just have oh my boot drives internal and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6208">TS</a>]
01:43:30 ◼ ► everything else their work with his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6210">TS</a>]
01:43:31 ◼ ► outside mistakes of the past don't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6211">TS</a>]
01:43:34 ◼ ► it so darn small that you only have room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6214">TS</a>]
01:43:35 ◼ ► for one tiny little SS deep as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6215">TS</a>]
01:43:37 ◼ ► things are like the size of a thumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6217">TS</a>]
01:43:38 ◼ ► drive practically inside there they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6218">TS</a>]
01:43:39 ◼ ► so small you have plenty of room to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6219">TS</a>]
01:43:42 ◼ ► four of those inside there and no five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6222">TS</a>]
01:43:44 ◼ ► and a quarter bay is no three and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6224">TS</a>]
01:43:45 ◼ ► quarter bay has no 2.5 inch base but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6225">TS</a>]
01:43:48 ◼ ► have room for that if they made that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6228">TS</a>]
01:43:49 ◼ ► machine with that combination of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6229">TS</a>]
01:43:51 ◼ ► that would be upgradable by Apple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6231">TS</a>]
01:43:54 ◼ ► upgradable by industrious Packers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6234">TS</a>]
01:43:56 ◼ ► having more than one internal storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6236">TS</a>]
01:43:59 ◼ ► thingy all which are SuperDuper fast and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6239">TS</a>]
01:44:02 ◼ ► that third parties could sell into I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6242">TS</a>]
01:44:04 ◼ ► think that would cover all their needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6244">TS</a>]
01:44:06 ◼ ► and all the sins of the past while not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6246">TS</a>]
01:44:09 ◼ ► looking backwards and while foregoing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6249">TS</a>]
01:44:12 ◼ ► the 3.5 inch straight even though like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6252">TS</a>]
01:44:13 ◼ ► using like this this could keep people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6253">TS</a>]
01:44:15 ◼ ► from having to go for the big array even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6255">TS</a>]
01:44:17 ◼ ► longer because I just I just think any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6257">TS</a>]
01:44:20 ◼ ► spinning thing inside this case is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6260">TS</a>]
01:44:22 ◼ ► non-starter and is not forward-looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6262">TS</a>]
01:44:24 ◼ ► so I would not save space forward and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6264">TS</a>]
01:44:26 ◼ ► would use the space that I get from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6266">TS</a>]
01:44:28 ◼ ► to put that other stuff in that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6268">TS</a>]
01:44:31 ◼ ► the only thing I will say though is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6271">TS</a>]
01:44:32 ◼ ► all of these super awesome PCI Express [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6272">TS</a>]
01:44:36 ◼ ► SSD systems need a good amount of PCI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6276">TS</a>]
01:44:40 ◼ ► Express Lanes to make them fast and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6280">TS</a>]
01:44:42 ◼ ► of the issues with the current mac pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6282">TS</a>]
01:44:44 ◼ ► is that there actually aren't enough pci [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6284">TS</a>]
01:44:46 ◼ ► express lanes to really add anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6286">TS</a>]
01:44:48 ◼ ► more to it than what it has now and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6288">TS</a>]
01:44:50 ◼ ► in if you have the slots inside you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6290">TS</a>]
01:44:54 ◼ ► if you have like you know for you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6294">TS</a>]
01:44:57 ◼ ► em to wherever they are SSD slots then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6297">TS</a>]
01:45:00 ◼ ► you have to have allocated the pci [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6300">TS</a>]
01:45:02 ◼ ► express lanes to assume that those are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6302">TS</a>]
01:45:05 ◼ ► going to be in use and then you maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6305">TS</a>]
01:45:08 ◼ ► you don't have enough to also have two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6308">TS</a>]
01:45:09 ◼ ► high-power GPUs and the ethernet port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6309">TS</a>]
01:45:11 ◼ ► and you know stuff like that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6311">TS</a>]
01:45:12 ◼ ► that's what makes it a configurable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6312">TS</a>]
01:45:14 ◼ ► system you could say hey if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6314">TS</a>]
01:45:16 ◼ ► have four really fast internalized it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6316">TS</a>]
01:45:17 ◼ ► easier to give up something you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6317">TS</a>]
01:45:18 ◼ ► have two GPUs and like like in other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6318">TS</a>]
01:45:20 ◼ ► words out be able to configure the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6320">TS</a>]
01:45:22 ◼ ► machine or Apple just let Apple can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6322">TS</a>]
01:45:23 ◼ ► figure not you like it's a built the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6323">TS</a>]
01:45:25 ◼ ► water where you get to pick and choose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6325">TS</a>]
01:45:26 ◼ ► everything but Apple can make different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6326">TS</a>]
01:45:27 ◼ ► configurations here's the one for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6327">TS</a>]
01:45:29 ◼ ► who need a single modest cpu one really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6329">TS</a>]
01:45:33 ◼ ► fast GPU and tons of fat storage and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6333">TS</a>]
01:45:35 ◼ ► here's the people who need two of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6335">TS</a>]
01:45:37 ◼ ► fastest GPUs but storage is less of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6337">TS</a>]
01:45:40 ◼ ► concern and a moderate CPU like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6340">TS</a>]
01:45:42 ◼ ► right that the lanes have limit but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6342">TS</a>]
01:45:43 ◼ ► again the whole point is machine is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6343">TS</a>]
01:45:44 ◼ ► stable they will choose the chips and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6344">TS</a>]
01:45:46 ◼ ► chipsets from Intel they give the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6346">TS</a>]
01:45:48 ◼ ► maximum number of PCI Express lanes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6348">TS</a>]
01:45:50 ◼ ► money can buy and then it's up to Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6350">TS</a>]
01:45:52 ◼ ► to allocate those in arrangements that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6352">TS</a>]
01:45:55 ◼ ► serve all the different needs that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6355">TS</a>]
01:45:56 ◼ ► fair I'm just saying one of those needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6356">TS</a>]
01:45:58 ◼ ► may be the one that says hey I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6358">TS</a>]
01:46:00 ◼ ► have more than one internal storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6360">TS</a>]
01:46:01 ◼ ► thingy because if you don't you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6361">TS</a>]
01:46:02 ◼ ► then it's going to be like a sand over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6362">TS</a>]
01:46:04 ◼ ► 10 gig Ethernet like you can't datas got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6364">TS</a>]
01:46:06 ◼ ► to get into the system somehow anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6366">TS</a>]
01:46:07 ◼ ► like you're just going to go through a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6367">TS</a>]
01:46:09 ◼ ► bridge chip and get into the hole you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6369">TS</a>]
01:46:10 ◼ ► know like it's all it all ends up in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6370">TS</a>]
01:46:13 ◼ ► same place only is to get into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6373">TS</a>]
01:46:14 ◼ ► computer somehow so it's not as if by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6374">TS</a>]
01:46:16 ◼ ► not having internal storage you suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6376">TS</a>]
01:46:18 ◼ ► get more bandwidth for storage you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6378">TS</a>]
01:46:20 ◼ ► just you know it zips through a smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6380">TS</a>]
01:46:22 ◼ ► hose outside the computer and then I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6382">TS</a>]
01:46:24 ◼ ► curious to know your thoughts about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6384">TS</a>]
01:46:27 ◼ ► whether we think they would actually use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6387">TS</a>]
01:46:30 ◼ ► like standard PC slot GPU sized things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6390">TS</a>]
01:46:35 ◼ ► or whether the GPUs would take it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6395">TS</a>]
01:46:38 ◼ ► be like a custom smaller Apple slot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6398">TS</a>]
01:46:40 ◼ ► because to me that there's there's clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6400">TS</a>]
01:46:45 ◼ ► number one like if it's if it's a PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6405">TS</a>]
01:46:47 ◼ ► like standard one like the old Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6407">TS</a>]
01:46:49 ◼ ► use like the pc the GPUs in the in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6409">TS</a>]
01:46:51 ◼ ► cheese grater were really just pc GPUs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6411">TS</a>]
01:46:54 ◼ ► like with apple firmware and custom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6414">TS</a>]
01:46:56 ◼ ► apple driver support but they you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6416">TS</a>]
01:46:57 ◼ ► they weren't that different if you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6417">TS</a>]
01:47:00 ◼ ► that way then it's easier for Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6420">TS</a>]
01:47:03 ◼ ► keep updated and I really do think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6423">TS</a>]
01:47:04 ◼ ► know they they said you know a number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6424">TS</a>]
01:47:07 ◼ ► the apple deck use in that meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6427">TS</a>]
01:47:08 ◼ ► seemed to say this over and over again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6428">TS</a>]
01:47:10 ◼ ► which is they want the new Mac Pro to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6430">TS</a>]
01:47:14 ◼ ► frequently and so if the GPUs are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6434">TS</a>]
01:47:18 ◼ ► something crazy custom that's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6438">TS</a>]
01:47:20 ◼ ► just for Apple but if they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6440">TS</a>]
01:47:21 ◼ ► regular slot GPUs then that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6441">TS</a>]
01:47:25 ◼ ► probably help them achieve that goal a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6445">TS</a>]
01:47:27 ◼ ► lot on the other side of it though like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6447">TS</a>]
01:47:29 ◼ ► if they do the slot GPUs then you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6449">TS</a>]
01:47:32 ◼ ► assuming that that there that there at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6452">TS</a>]
01:47:33 ◼ ► all user replaceable then they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6453">TS</a>]
01:47:37 ◼ ► going to be like integrated with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6457">TS</a>]
01:47:38 ◼ ► system's cooling thing so they're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6458">TS</a>]
01:47:40 ◼ ► have to have like you know 16 different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6460">TS</a>]
01:47:41 ◼ ► fans in there because the GP is gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6461">TS</a>]
01:47:43 ◼ ► have its own fan that by the way GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6463">TS</a>]
01:47:44 ◼ ► fans die constantly so they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6464">TS</a>]
01:47:46 ◼ ► the GPUs can have its own little stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6466">TS</a>]
01:47:47 ◼ ► fans gonna be loud and filled with dust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6467">TS</a>]
01:47:49 ◼ ► and die all the time and then the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6469">TS</a>]
01:47:50 ◼ ► of the system's going to have all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6470">TS</a>]
01:47:51 ◼ ► different heat sink all over the place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6471">TS</a>]
01:47:54 ◼ ► something custom it would be harder to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6474">TS</a>]
01:47:57 ◼ ► keep updated it would be more work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6477">TS</a>]
01:47:59 ◼ ► they'd be more likely to neglect it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6479">TS</a>]
01:48:01 ◼ ► the current one but also like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6481">TS</a>]
01:48:03 ◼ ► current one they could integrate the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6483">TS</a>]
01:48:05 ◼ ► GPUs cooling needs into some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6485">TS</a>]
01:48:07 ◼ ► larger combined cooling system and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6487">TS</a>]
01:48:11 ◼ ► and that would therefore probably be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6491">TS</a>]
01:48:13 ◼ ► nicer product as it would be quieter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6493">TS</a>]
01:48:15 ◼ ► it would be you know easier and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6495">TS</a>]
01:48:16 ◼ ► reliable to cool if they gave it enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6496">TS</a>]
01:48:19 ◼ ► capacity but let the current one so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6499">TS</a>]
01:48:21 ◼ ► can kind of see both sides of this if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6501">TS</a>]
01:48:24 ◼ ► you make it the custom apple thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6504">TS</a>]
01:48:27 ◼ ► have I think more flexibility to design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6507">TS</a>]
01:48:30 ◼ ► a really cool new product books as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6510">TS</a>]
01:48:32 ◼ ► mentioned we're not actually sure that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6512">TS</a>]
01:48:34 ◼ ► what they should do but if you do it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6514">TS</a>]
01:48:36 ◼ ► pc way the more you think about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6516">TS</a>]
01:48:39 ◼ ► what's going to be in this new Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6519">TS</a>]
01:48:41 ◼ ► the more it seems to me that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6521">TS</a>]
01:48:44 ◼ ► basically just going to be like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6524">TS</a>]
01:48:47 ◼ ► bottom half of the cheese grater like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6527">TS</a>]
01:48:49 ◼ ► and maybe you know they can tweak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6529">TS</a>]
01:48:50 ◼ ► certain things a little bit it within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6530">TS</a>]
01:48:52 ◼ ► that design but if it has to accommodate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6532">TS</a>]
01:48:54 ◼ ► regular PC graphics card slots and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6534">TS</a>]
01:48:56 ◼ ► especially presumably would accommodate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6536">TS</a>]
01:48:59 ◼ ► more than one and even if it maxed out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6539">TS</a>]
01:49:01 ◼ ► at two unlike the old when I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6541">TS</a>]
01:49:03 ◼ ► could put for low powered ones and but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6543">TS</a>]
01:49:04 ◼ ► even if it maxed out at two big honkin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6544">TS</a>]
01:49:07 ◼ ► GPUs just to design something that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6547">TS</a>]
01:49:10 ◼ ► accommodate that even if they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6550">TS</a>]
01:49:13 ◼ ► even even even if they didn't offer dual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6553">TS</a>]
01:49:14 ◼ ► cpu options which I hope they do but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6554">TS</a>]
01:49:17 ◼ ► wouldn't bet on that that it very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6557">TS</a>]
01:49:21 ◼ ► quickly becomes a pc tower you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6561">TS</a>]
01:49:23 ◼ ► whether it's just like really short and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6563">TS</a>]
01:49:25 ◼ ► doesn't have any drive base or not is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6565">TS</a>]
01:49:26 ◼ ► question but it doesn't really matter if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6566">TS</a>]
01:49:29 ◼ ► it has to accommodate those standard GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6569">TS</a>]
01:49:31 ◼ ► sizes and more than one of them it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6571">TS</a>]
01:49:33 ◼ ► going to basically look like a small pc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6573">TS</a>]
01:49:35 ◼ ► tower right well the question is whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6575">TS</a>]
01:49:37 ◼ ► what is the what is the barrier to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6577">TS</a>]
01:49:42 ◼ ► updating the GPU it's like that if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6582">TS</a>]
01:49:43 ◼ ► went with a custom thing it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6583">TS</a>]
01:49:44 ◼ ► harder for them to upgrade the GPU i I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6584">TS</a>]
01:49:46 ◼ ► not entirely sure that's the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6586">TS</a>]
01:49:49 ◼ ► because updating the GPU like they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6589">TS</a>]
01:49:53 ◼ ► get the chip and like the chipset and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6593">TS</a>]
01:49:56 ◼ ► the reference board that goes with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6596">TS</a>]
01:49:57 ◼ ► the packaging of what you're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6597">TS</a>]
01:49:59 ◼ ► about is like pcs like they have all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6599">TS</a>]
01:50:01 ◼ ► this cooling and then this is other fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6601">TS</a>]
01:50:02 ◼ ► that's facing a totally different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6602">TS</a>]
01:50:04 ◼ ► direction like 90 degrees that the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6604">TS</a>]
01:50:05 ◼ ► rest of the airflow that's cooling the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6605">TS</a>]
01:50:07 ◼ ► car because they're sold module and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6607">TS</a>]
01:50:09 ◼ ► usually and set his own slot on the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6609">TS</a>]
01:50:11 ◼ ► because it has that you know the double [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6611">TS</a>]
01:50:12 ◼ ► width slot cover thing to blow the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6612">TS</a>]
01:50:15 ◼ ► at the back and fill of dust it it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6615">TS</a>]
01:50:17 ◼ ► his own it is his own little cooling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6617">TS</a>]
01:50:19 ◼ ► universe because it's modular right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6619">TS</a>]
01:50:21 ◼ ► I think Apple can can actually use like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6621">TS</a>]
01:50:25 ◼ ► the work of the pc industry hey we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6625">TS</a>]
01:50:27 ◼ ► a new chip and you chip set a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6627">TS</a>]
01:50:29 ◼ ► reference design new card a new like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6629">TS</a>]
01:50:31 ◼ ► whole nine yards but not take their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6631">TS</a>]
01:50:34 ◼ ► cooling solutions it would still be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6634">TS</a>]
01:50:36 ◼ ► some kind of slot but that apple would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6636">TS</a>]
01:50:38 ◼ ► have their own cooling soldiers because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6638">TS</a>]
01:50:39 ◼ ► again i don't think apple cares that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6639">TS</a>]
01:50:41 ◼ ► can upgrade it after that they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6641">TS</a>]
01:50:42 ◼ ► going to sell new cards for it if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6642">TS</a>]
01:50:44 ◼ ► want to do some weird third party thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6644">TS</a>]
01:50:45 ◼ ► in hacking in like apples not supporting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6645">TS</a>]
01:50:47 ◼ ► you it's not a thing that they've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6647">TS</a>]
01:50:48 ◼ ► in years and years so I I have to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6648">TS</a>]
01:50:52 ◼ ► that no matter what they even if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6652">TS</a>]
01:50:53 ◼ ► make a rectangle that they are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6653">TS</a>]
01:50:55 ◼ ► do their own cooling solution because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6655">TS</a>]
01:50:57 ◼ ► think I think they're off the train of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6657">TS</a>]
01:50:58 ◼ ► doing like a card with its own like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6658">TS</a>]
01:51:01 ◼ ► said terrible you can't tell or what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6661">TS</a>]
01:51:03 ◼ ► used to call them video coolers or that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6663">TS</a>]
01:51:06 ◼ ► they had a weird name that people used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6666">TS</a>]
01:51:08 ◼ ► to call them for the those horrible fans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6668">TS</a>]
01:51:10 ◼ ► that would be attached to your GPU there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6670">TS</a>]
01:51:11 ◼ ► would always be the first thing to die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6671">TS</a>]
01:51:12 ◼ ► your system I think those days are gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6672">TS</a>]
01:51:14 ◼ ► for Apple even if they use an actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6674">TS</a>]
01:51:18 ◼ ► card you know full length or half like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6678">TS</a>]
01:51:20 ◼ ► card like in a slot that looks like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6680">TS</a>]
01:51:24 ◼ ► plan I think they will still do custom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6684">TS</a>]
01:51:26 ◼ ► cooling because I think to design a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6686">TS</a>]
01:51:28 ◼ ► case with thermal capacity the apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6688">TS</a>]
01:51:32 ◼ ► recent designs and even even on the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6692">TS</a>]
01:51:34 ◼ ► Pro's to some degree like they're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6694">TS</a>]
01:51:35 ◼ ► working towards let's design the airflow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6695">TS</a>]
01:51:39 ◼ ► as one like one system for maximum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6699">TS</a>]
01:51:42 ◼ ► capacity and takings other little island [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6702">TS</a>]
01:51:44 ◼ ► of cooling and chucking it in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6704">TS</a>]
01:51:46 ◼ ► I've got my own fan I'll put my intake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6706">TS</a>]
01:51:47 ◼ ► here and like first of all they pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6707">TS</a>]
01:51:49 ◼ ► their intake from inside the case and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6709">TS</a>]
01:51:51 ◼ ► that they do exhaust the outside through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6711">TS</a>]
01:51:52 ◼ ► their back little slot thing right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6712">TS</a>]
01:51:57 ◼ ► efficiently design you know a system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6717">TS</a>]
01:52:00 ◼ ► like an apple style system for cooling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6720">TS</a>]
01:52:02 ◼ ► which is why that you know the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6722">TS</a>]
01:52:04 ◼ ► trashcan Mac Pro wasn't like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6724">TS</a>]
01:52:06 ◼ ► why in from the g5 until today it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6726">TS</a>]
01:52:09 ◼ ► always been so incongruous to open up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6729">TS</a>]
01:52:10 ◼ ► these machines and see the carefully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6730">TS</a>]
01:52:12 ◼ ► planned air flows and channels and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6732">TS</a>]
01:52:13 ◼ ► see the cooler the video cooler sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6733">TS</a>]
01:52:16 ◼ ► on its thing doing its thing often and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6736">TS</a>]
01:52:18 ◼ ► the side of the world so it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6738">TS</a>]
01:52:20 ◼ ► depends I think on like does that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6740">TS</a>]
01:52:22 ◼ ► think that doing that doing custom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6742">TS</a>]
01:52:24 ◼ ► cooling or even a custom form factor for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6744">TS</a>]
01:52:26 ◼ ► the card is that too onerous that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6746">TS</a>]
01:52:28 ◼ ► actually stop them from updating gb was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6748">TS</a>]
01:52:30 ◼ ► like oh we would love to upgrade the GP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6750">TS</a>]
01:52:31 ◼ ► but we can't just take a new thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6751">TS</a>]
01:52:32 ◼ ► slap it in there or will they say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6752">TS</a>]
01:52:36 ◼ ► you know we just need to have cooling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6756">TS</a>]
01:52:37 ◼ ► enough cooling capacity and a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6757">TS</a>]
01:52:39 ◼ ► design a cooling solution and we will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6759">TS</a>]
01:52:41 ◼ ► take your board and your chip and plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6761">TS</a>]
01:52:43 ◼ ► it into a standard slot and then slaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6763">TS</a>]
01:52:46 ◼ ► on to it alien facehugger style will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6766">TS</a>]
01:52:50 ◼ ► our cooling solution that indicated that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6770">TS</a>]
01:52:51 ◼ ► integrates with the whole rest of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6771">TS</a>]
01:52:53 ◼ ► cooling flow inside the case so if I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6773">TS</a>]
01:52:55 ◼ ► if I had to bet I would say they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6775">TS</a>]
01:52:57 ◼ ► going to go with custom cooling even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6777">TS</a>]
01:52:59 ◼ ► the cards themselves are standard now on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6779">TS</a>]
01:53:01 ◼ ► the trash can the cards themselves are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6781">TS</a>]
01:53:03 ◼ ► not standard they're not in standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6783">TS</a>]
01:53:04 ◼ ► slots they're you know they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6784">TS</a>]
01:53:06 ◼ ► on the outside of a weird triangle thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6786">TS</a>]
01:53:08 ◼ ► which is no arrangement than any pc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6788">TS</a>]
01:53:09 ◼ ► motherboard they like that is custom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6789">TS</a>]
01:53:11 ◼ ► head to toe and that didn't work out so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6791">TS</a>]
01:53:13 ◼ ► I don't think they need to go that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6793">TS</a>]
01:53:14 ◼ ► extreme I totally think they can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6794">TS</a>]
01:53:16 ◼ ► cards but I'm thinking the best bet is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6796">TS</a>]
01:53:18 ◼ ► to go with custom cooling which means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6798">TS</a>]
01:53:19 ◼ ► you will not be able to yank that thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6799">TS</a>]
01:53:22 ◼ ► out go by envia car off the shelf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6802">TS</a>]
01:53:26 ◼ ► shove it in without doing some you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6806">TS</a>]
01:53:28 ◼ ► pretty fancy hardware hacking to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6808">TS</a>]
01:53:31 ◼ ► their giant cooler in there because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6811">TS</a>]
01:53:33 ◼ ► I'm just have trouble envisioning a box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6813">TS</a>]
01:53:35 ◼ ► that would accommodate that that isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6815">TS</a>]
01:53:36 ◼ ► literally the size of the cheese grater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6816">TS</a>]
01:53:38 ◼ ► maybe with some parts of it lopped off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6818">TS</a>]
01:53:40 ◼ ► the top and Bob because those cards are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6820">TS</a>]
01:53:41 ◼ ► huge the coolers to come with a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6821">TS</a>]
01:53:43 ◼ ► they're noisy it's just it's just gross [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6823">TS</a>]
01:53:48 ◼ ► redesigned the mac pro for apple in two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6828">TS</a>]
01:53:50 ◼ ► hours yeah that was so easy what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6830">TS</a>]
01:53:52 ◼ ► taking them so long yes yeah so and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6832">TS</a>]
01:53:55 ◼ ► think you know to to to close out I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6835">TS</a>]
01:53:58 ◼ ► think for now what I think they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6838">TS</a>]
01:54:00 ◼ ► to do with this sort isn't they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6840">TS</a>]
01:54:01 ◼ ► do with this you know as you work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6841">TS</a>]
01:54:04 ◼ ► through what this machine should be I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6844">TS</a>]
01:54:07 ◼ ► think it's a lot more like the cheese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6847">TS</a>]
01:54:09 ◼ ► grater than like the trashcan and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6849">TS</a>]
01:54:11 ◼ ► though the cheese grater was definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6851">TS</a>]
01:54:13 ◼ ► outdated and should have significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6853">TS</a>]
01:54:16 ◼ ► editing done to it and significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6856">TS</a>]
01:54:17 ◼ ► change is done to it I think what we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6857">TS</a>]
01:54:19 ◼ ► ended up with is to make a good Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6859">TS</a>]
01:54:22 ◼ ► you need to go more towards that style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6862">TS</a>]
01:54:25 ◼ ► whether it's just the bottom half of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6865">TS</a>]
01:54:27 ◼ ► lopped off or whether it's you know more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6867">TS</a>]
01:54:29 ◼ ► design and this is not going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6869">TS</a>]
01:54:33 ◼ ► sexy high PR product for Johnny I've to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6873">TS</a>]
01:54:38 ◼ ► feel really good about it's not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6878">TS</a>]
01:54:40 ◼ ► because it's going to be a some form of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6880">TS</a>]
01:54:42 ◼ ► pc tower of something you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6882">TS</a>]
01:54:44 ◼ ► going to be utilitarian more than it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6884">TS</a>]
01:54:47 ◼ ► going to be a fashion object but this if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6887">TS</a>]
01:54:50 ◼ ► Apple has to do that this is the one Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6890">TS</a>]
01:54:53 ◼ ► in the entire Mac lineup that must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6893">TS</a>]
01:54:56 ◼ ► sacrifice appearance for functionality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6896">TS</a>]
01:54:59 ◼ ► if that choice is necessary to make if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6899">TS</a>]
01:55:01 ◼ ► they come to a point where they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6901">TS</a>]
01:55:04 ◼ ► decide whether to make this thing cooler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6904">TS</a>]
01:55:07 ◼ ► and prettier or whether to make it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6907">TS</a>]
01:55:09 ◼ ► utilitarian every other mac you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6909">TS</a>]
01:55:12 ◼ ► make a case maybe they should go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6912">TS</a>]
01:55:13 ◼ ► direction not the mac pro it has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6913">TS</a>]
01:55:16 ◼ ► always go to functionality first because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6916">TS</a>]
01:55:19 ◼ ► it has to satisfy the widest range of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6919">TS</a>]
01:55:25 ◼ ► satisfied by the imac the imac already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6925">TS</a>]
01:55:31 ◼ ► computer covered the imac is that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6931">TS</a>]
01:55:34 ◼ ► it is great at that the mac pro must be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6934">TS</a>]
01:55:37 ◼ ► utilitarian even if it comes to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6937">TS</a>]
01:55:40 ◼ ► expense of the coolest tiniest you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6940">TS</a>]
01:55:42 ◼ ► smallest thinnest thing they could make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6942">TS</a>]
01:55:44 ◼ ► the more tower like that it gets the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6944">TS</a>]
01:55:47 ◼ ► more the design they choose for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6947">TS</a>]
01:55:49 ◼ ► resembles a tower the more it offers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6949">TS</a>]
01:55:52 ◼ ► above the imac and the easier and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6952">TS</a>]
01:55:54 ◼ ► cheaper it is for Apple to keep it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6954">TS</a>]
01:55:56 ◼ ► updated I just don't agree with the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6956">TS</a>]
01:55:58 ◼ ► you're characterizing that because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6958">TS</a>]
01:55:59 ◼ ► think the g3 g4 and power mac g5 cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6959">TS</a>]
01:56:04 ◼ ► were awesome looking they were fantastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6964">TS</a>]
01:56:07 ◼ ► they were the best looking things Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6967">TS</a>]
01:56:09 ◼ ► had made I don't think they sacrificed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6969">TS</a>]
01:56:12 ◼ ► the beauty and design of those cases at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6972">TS</a>]
01:56:14 ◼ ► all and they also delivered amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6974">TS</a>]
01:56:17 ◼ ► utility right so I get what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6977">TS</a>]
01:56:18 ◼ ► saying like I think the way to phrase it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6978">TS</a>]
01:56:21 ◼ ► would be more like what federighi said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6981">TS</a>]
01:56:23 ◼ ► where we came up what we wanted which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6983">TS</a>]
01:56:25 ◼ ► was like two GPUs and a cpu and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6985">TS</a>]
01:56:28 ◼ ► they they pulled in like they basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6988">TS</a>]
01:56:30 ◼ ► said how small and quiet and elegant a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6990">TS</a>]
01:56:34 ◼ ► case can we get this exact amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6994">TS</a>]
01:56:35 ◼ ► power like they pulled in the edges as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6995">TS</a>]
01:56:37 ◼ ► far as they could go like they shrink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/6997">TS</a>]
01:56:40 ◼ ► approach right instead of saying here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7000">TS</a>]
01:56:43 ◼ ► what we want to build now let's put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7003">TS</a>]
01:56:44 ◼ ► in a beautiful case that has like ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7004">TS</a>]
01:56:47 ◼ ► times that cooling capacity right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7007">TS</a>]
01:56:49 ◼ ► that we have so much Headroom that no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7009">TS</a>]
01:56:51 ◼ ► matter what comes down the line we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7011">TS</a>]
01:56:52 ◼ ► places to put all that stuff and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7012">TS</a>]
01:56:55 ◼ ► there is tremendous freedom to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7015">TS</a>]
01:56:57 ◼ ► should be the sexiest looking computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7017">TS</a>]
01:57:00 ◼ ► fantastically weird like no other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7020">TS</a>]
01:57:02 ◼ ► computer you just have to make sure you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7022">TS</a>]
01:57:06 ◼ ► trade-offs where you're like oh I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7026">TS</a>]
01:57:07 ◼ ► great idea let's make it shaped like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7027">TS</a>]
01:57:09 ◼ ► corkscrew and we can fit the pieces in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7029">TS</a>]
01:57:11 ◼ ► the corkscrew and they can go in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7031">TS</a>]
01:57:12 ◼ ► little so it's like no wait a second you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7032">TS</a>]
01:57:15 ◼ ► know you may think corkscrews are cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7035">TS</a>]
01:57:16 ◼ ► or maybe we could fit these parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7036">TS</a>]
01:57:21 ◼ ► corkscrew has no Headroom that corkscrew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7041">TS</a>]
01:57:23 ◼ ► is the wrong choice for this you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7043">TS</a>]
01:57:24 ◼ ► don't or whatever making it super duper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7044">TS</a>]
01:57:26 ◼ ► flat like yours a mac pro that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7046">TS</a>]
01:57:28 ◼ ► it's like an imac with no monitor it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7048">TS</a>]
01:57:29 ◼ ► so incredibly flat and thin right just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7049">TS</a>]
01:57:32 ◼ ► lays I don't know underneath your feet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7052">TS</a>]
01:57:33 ◼ ► and you put your feet on it keeps them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7053">TS</a>]
01:57:34 ◼ ► warm like stuff like that is where your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7054">TS</a>]
01:57:37 ◼ ► where I get what you're saying like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7057">TS</a>]
01:57:38 ◼ ► don't make that trade-off right but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7058">TS</a>]
01:57:40 ◼ ► disagree that this shouldn't be sexy I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7060">TS</a>]
01:57:42 ◼ ► think it should be the sexiest computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7062">TS</a>]
01:57:44 ◼ ► that Apple makes and I think there you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7064">TS</a>]
01:57:46 ◼ ► have the flexibility to make it sexy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7066">TS</a>]
01:57:48 ◼ ► because it doesn't have to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7068">TS</a>]
01:57:53 ◼ ► you have don't have the size limits of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7073">TS</a>]
01:57:55 ◼ ► portability so by all means make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7075">TS</a>]
01:57:58 ◼ ► thing awesome-looking make it look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7078">TS</a>]
01:57:59 ◼ ► i don't know make make it you can make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7079">TS</a>]
01:58:01 ◼ ► look a Death Star as long as the sphere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7081">TS</a>]
01:58:02 ◼ ► is big enough to support tremendous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7082">TS</a>]
01:58:04 ◼ ► amount of cooling like go nuts it can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7084">TS</a>]
01:58:06 ◼ ► black and shiny and chrome and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7086">TS</a>]
01:58:09 ◼ ► whatever you want to do to it I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7089">TS</a>]
01:58:10 ◼ ► picture in my head something that even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7090">TS</a>]
01:58:12 ◼ ► just a rectangular solid but the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7092">TS</a>]
01:58:14 ◼ ► surface finishes right would would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7094">TS</a>]
01:58:17 ◼ ► really cool like a couple of well-placed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7097">TS</a>]
01:58:19 ◼ ► white LEDs you know not saying has to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7099">TS</a>]
01:58:22 ◼ ► have ground effects on it and have water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7102">TS</a>]
01:58:24 ◼ ► bubbling through it or whatever I Lily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7104">TS</a>]
01:58:26 ◼ ► did that with the g5 I was at the g5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7106">TS</a>]
01:58:29 ◼ ► that the water cooled when I forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7109">TS</a>]
01:58:30 ◼ ► anyway yeah I am I want this to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7110">TS</a>]
01:58:33 ◼ ► exciting and sexy just you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7113">TS</a>]
01:58:37 ◼ ► again i point to the the whole the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7117">TS</a>]
01:58:40 ◼ ► Yosemite el capitán line of cases that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7120">TS</a>]
01:58:43 ◼ ► all sorts of weird surface finishes with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7123">TS</a>]
01:58:46 ◼ ► in the same basic but also very weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7126">TS</a>]
01:58:48 ◼ ► and cool shaped hiding the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7128">TS</a>]
01:58:50 ◼ ► guess what inside it was a gigantic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7130">TS</a>]
01:58:52 ◼ ► rectangle with with reasonably good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7132">TS</a>]
01:58:53 ◼ ► cooling and the g5 the same thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7133">TS</a>]
01:58:55 ◼ ► think it looks pretty cool to buy now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7135">TS</a>]
01:58:57 ◼ ► we're bored with it because it's ancient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7137">TS</a>]
01:58:58 ◼ ► right but it did its job and it did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7138">TS</a>]
01:59:02 ◼ ► with style and pizzazz and elegance and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7142">TS</a>]
01:59:06 ◼ ► it wasn't is cool but it was also a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7146">TS</a>]
01:59:10 ◼ ► workhorse and so on I want it all I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7150">TS</a>]
01:59:12 ◼ ► sexiness and utilitarian this and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7152">TS</a>]
01:59:15 ◼ ► think I think it's possible i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7155">TS</a>]
01:59:16 ◼ ► apples proved as possible yeah i agree i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7156">TS</a>]
01:59:19 ◼ ► mean you know the other funny thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7159">TS</a>]
01:59:26 ◼ ► utilitarian silver rectangle that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7166">TS</a>]
01:59:29 ◼ ► weighed fifty pounds and sat on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7169">TS</a>]
01:59:30 ◼ ► floor to the little black cylinder it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7170">TS</a>]
01:59:33 ◼ ► had to come off the floor it had to sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7173">TS</a>]
01:59:35 ◼ ► on your desk as a question do you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7175">TS</a>]
01:59:37 ◼ ► this on the desk of the floor the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7177">TS</a>]
01:59:39 ◼ ► one right and honestly I really greatly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7179">TS</a>]
01:59:41 ◼ ► prefer it on the floor because it allows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7181">TS</a>]
01:59:44 ◼ ► for like neater cleaner cable routing if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7184">TS</a>]
01:59:46 ◼ ► there's any noise produced by it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7186">TS</a>]
01:59:49 ◼ ► podcasting microphone and it just to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7189">TS</a>]
01:59:52 ◼ ► it gets everything out of the way and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7192">TS</a>]
01:59:56 ◼ ► is with you the only thing is though to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7196">TS</a>]
01:59:57 ◼ ► be on the floor it does have to be huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7197">TS</a>]
01:59:57 ◼ ► be on the floor it does have to be huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7197">TS</a>]
02:00:00 ◼ ► and fairly heavy to be stable there like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7200">TS</a>]
02:00:02 ◼ ► there was nothing saying that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7202">TS</a>]
02:00:03 ◼ ► weren't allowed to put the trash can on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7203">TS</a>]
02:00:05 ◼ ► the floor it was just unwise you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7205">TS</a>]
02:00:08 ◼ ► can't you just kick it over all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7208">TS</a>]
02:00:11 ◼ ► shouldn't put on the floor and the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7211">TS</a>]
02:00:14 ◼ ► thing is like I deserves to be up on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7214">TS</a>]
02:00:16 ◼ ► desk but that's an interesting thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7216">TS</a>]
02:00:17 ◼ ► like socially speaking I had my g3 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7217">TS</a>]
02:00:20 ◼ ► g4 on my desk because I thought they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7220">TS</a>]
02:00:22 ◼ ► deserved to be up there because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7222">TS</a>]
02:00:23 ◼ ► were beautiful but the g5 i also had on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7223">TS</a>]
02:00:26 ◼ ► my desk but it was just too damn big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7226">TS</a>]
02:00:27 ◼ ► yeah please you just was on the desk it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7227">TS</a>]
02:00:29 ◼ ► was like it was gonna fall on me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7229">TS</a>]
02:00:30 ◼ ► crush me to death it's all I had it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7230">TS</a>]
02:00:32 ◼ ► my desk for a long time and I said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7232">TS</a>]
02:00:34 ◼ ► know what this is inappropriate and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7234">TS</a>]
02:00:36 ◼ ► went to the floor and you know my g5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7236">TS</a>]
02:00:38 ◼ ► imac pro have been on the floor ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7238">TS</a>]
02:00:40 ◼ ► since so i'm not opposed to putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7240">TS</a>]
02:00:41 ◼ ► something that other people would put on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7241">TS</a>]
02:00:43 ◼ ► the floor that could be put on the floor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7243">TS</a>]
02:00:45 ◼ ► on the desk just because i think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7245">TS</a>]
02:00:46 ◼ ► really cool and looking at it makes me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7246">TS</a>]
02:00:48 ◼ ► happy but at a certain point it becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7248">TS</a>]
02:00:50 ◼ ► ridiculous so i'm i'm thinking this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7250">TS</a>]
02:00:52 ◼ ► should be and will be small enough that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7252">TS</a>]
02:00:55 ◼ ► you could put it on the desk but i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7255">TS</a>]
02:00:59 ◼ ► underneath the desk so that it gives the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7259">TS</a>]
02:01:00 ◼ ► people the choice of where they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7260">TS</a>]
02:01:02 ◼ ► put it which means like you said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7262">TS</a>]
02:01:04 ◼ ► can't be so small that it like it tips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7264">TS</a>]
02:01:06 ◼ ► over from a stiff Thunderbolt cable in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7266">TS</a>]
02:01:08 ◼ ► the back or whatever yeah exactly but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7268">TS</a>]
02:01:10 ◼ ► i'm just guessing just by the way things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7270">TS</a>]
02:01:12 ◼ ► are like the direction technology is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7272">TS</a>]
02:01:14 ◼ ► going you know if you actually do take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7274">TS</a>]
02:01:16 ◼ ► that cheese grater case and subtract all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7276">TS</a>]
02:01:18 ◼ ► the stuff you don't really need any more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7278">TS</a>]
02:01:19 ◼ ► i think it actually might be too small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7279">TS</a>]
02:01:21 ◼ ► to go on the floor i put lead weights in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7281">TS</a>]
02:01:23 ◼ ► the bottom like high-end audio equipment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7283">TS</a>]
02:01:24 ◼ ► there you go so Casey what what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7284">TS</a>]
02:01:29 ◼ ► want them to make anything or you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7289">TS</a>]
02:01:32 ◼ ► want to make Nothing right so we'd stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7292">TS</a>]
02:01:34 ◼ ► talking about though or do do we talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7294">TS</a>]
02:01:36 ◼ ► about it more when they make nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7296">TS</a>]
02:01:37 ◼ ► Utah a you talk about it more when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7297">TS</a>]
02:01:39 ◼ ► make nothing and be and I want them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7299">TS</a>]
02:01:41 ◼ ► make something I said that at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7301">TS</a>]
02:01:42 ◼ ► opening the show I want them to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7302">TS</a>]
02:01:44 ◼ ► something I just want I want it to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7304">TS</a>]
02:01:46 ◼ ► here because I I don't want to do 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7306">TS</a>]
02:01:49 ◼ ► some weeks of us pontificating about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7309">TS</a>]
02:01:51 ◼ ► what it will be could be more than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7311">TS</a>]
02:01:53 ◼ ► oh they only said not this year yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7313">TS</a>]
02:01:57 ◼ ► that leaves the whole rest of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7317">TS</a>]
02:01:59 ◼ ► future right on an infinite time scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7319">TS</a>]
02:02:03 ◼ ► kids so there is a new mac pro there we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7323">TS</a>]
02:02:05 ◼ ► go no so you know overall if I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7325">TS</a>]
02:02:09 ◼ ► summarize how I feel about this one more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7329">TS</a>]
02:02:13 ◼ ► to kind of close out my thinking on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7333">TS</a>]
02:02:15 ◼ ► so far looks of course but I'm sure we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7335">TS</a>]
02:02:17 ◼ ► will follow up next week with all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7337">TS</a>]
02:02:18 ◼ ► stuff we forgot about but I'm incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7338">TS</a>]
02:02:21 ◼ ► happy to see this because it really does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7341">TS</a>]
02:02:24 ◼ ► show for the first time in a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7344">TS</a>]
02:02:27 ◼ ► that Apple is really taking pros needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7347">TS</a>]
02:02:31 ◼ ► very seriously and they might have done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7351">TS</a>]
02:02:34 ◼ ► that for a lot of time and you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7354">TS</a>]
02:02:36 ◼ ► the middle here but we weren't seeing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7356">TS</a>]
02:02:38 ◼ ► lot of signs of that from the outside it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7358">TS</a>]
02:02:40 ◼ ► was always questionable from the outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7360">TS</a>]
02:02:46 ◼ ► addressing pro needs or whether they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7366">TS</a>]
02:02:48 ◼ ► whether proteins were kind of like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7368">TS</a>]
02:02:50 ◼ ► nuisance they had to deal with you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7370">TS</a>]
02:02:53 ◼ ► reluctantly supporting very minimally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7373">TS</a>]
02:02:56 ◼ ► until the pros just all went away and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7376">TS</a>]
02:02:58 ◼ ► none of us wanted that as prose or as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7378">TS</a>]
02:03:02 ◼ ► fans of Apple trying to be the best that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7382">TS</a>]
02:03:04 ◼ ► it can be none of us wanted that and for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7384">TS</a>]
02:03:07 ◼ ► a while it really did seem like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7387">TS</a>]
02:03:09 ◼ ► what we had and whether that was true or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7389">TS</a>]
02:03:12 ◼ ► not this shows us that they are taking a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7392">TS</a>]
02:03:16 ◼ ► serious effort now and really putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7396">TS</a>]
02:03:18 ◼ ► themselves out there publicly to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7398">TS</a>]
02:03:22 ◼ ► that that's not the case and whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7402">TS</a>]
02:03:25 ◼ ► that we at whether that was the case two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7405">TS</a>]
02:03:27 ◼ ► years ago and and they had a change of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7407">TS</a>]
02:03:28 ◼ ► heart in the last six months I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7408">TS</a>]
02:03:29 ◼ ► know it doesn't matter honestly right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7409">TS</a>]
02:03:30 ◼ ► now it doesn't matter what it matters is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7410">TS</a>]
02:03:33 ◼ ► that they are getting back on the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7413">TS</a>]
02:03:35 ◼ ► track and maybe this new imac will get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7415">TS</a>]
02:03:39 ◼ ► halfway there and that's only a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7419">TS</a>]
02:03:40 ◼ ► months away and then maybe the new Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7420">TS</a>]
02:03:42 ◼ ► Pro is only a year away a years went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7422">TS</a>]
02:03:45 ◼ ► that long and it's gonna feel like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7425">TS</a>]
02:03:48 ◼ ► eternity but it but it isn't that long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7428">TS</a>]
02:03:49 ◼ ► especially for some of us yes and so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7429">TS</a>]
02:03:55 ◼ ► I'm very III I kind of I kind of just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7435">TS</a>]
02:03:59 ◼ ► feel relieved today thinking like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7439">TS</a>]
02:04:03 ◼ ► know reading all this stuff seeing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7443">TS</a>]
02:04:04 ◼ ► all the things that that the apples I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7444">TS</a>]
02:04:06 ◼ ► could have said I feel relieved that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7446">TS</a>]
02:04:09 ◼ ► they clearly care as much about this as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7449">TS</a>]
02:04:13 ◼ ► I do right now possibly even more so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7453">TS</a>]
02:04:16 ◼ ► which I kind of hope because it's their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7456">TS</a>]
02:04:17 ◼ ► job to and that's really a very nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7457">TS</a>]
02:04:21 ◼ ► feeling and I feel very good about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7461">TS</a>]
02:04:23 ◼ ► right now and actions do speak louder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7463">TS</a>]
02:04:27 ◼ ► in the dispute something some smelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7467">TS</a>]
02:04:28 ◼ ► these lines of he's a better version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7468">TS</a>]
02:04:30 ◼ ► what I'm about to say you know actions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7470">TS</a>]
02:04:32 ◼ ► do speak louder than words and these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7472">TS</a>]
02:04:33 ◼ ► aren't necessarily actions and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7473">TS</a>]
02:04:37 ◼ ► shipping products today but the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7477">TS</a>]
02:04:41 ◼ ► that they put themselves out there so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7481">TS</a>]
02:04:45 ◼ ► products which Apple almost never does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7485">TS</a>]
02:04:47 ◼ ► they really did commit to two doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7487">TS</a>]
02:04:50 ◼ ► and you know they they could decide in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7490">TS</a>]
02:04:54 ◼ ► few months oh you know what nevermind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7494">TS</a>]
02:04:55 ◼ ► not gonna do that but that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7495">TS</a>]
02:04:56 ◼ ► really bad PR like they that's unlikely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7496">TS</a>]
02:04:58 ◼ ► right the fact they made such a deal out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7498">TS</a>]
02:05:04 ◼ ► of this and gave so much info about why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7504">TS</a>]
02:05:07 ◼ ► they can't update or won't update the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7507">TS</a>]
02:05:10 ◼ ► 2013 Mac Pro kind of why it's been so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7510">TS</a>]
02:05:14 ◼ ► long although that's you know k that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7514">TS</a>]
02:05:18 ◼ ► everything they could have done in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7518">TS</a>]
02:05:19 ◼ ► meantime but that's behind us now now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7519">TS</a>]
02:05:21 ◼ ► you know they're doing it now right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7521">TS</a>]
02:05:23 ◼ ► that's what matters so we now know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7523">TS</a>]
02:05:26 ◼ ► they care they're being honest with us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7526">TS</a>]
02:05:29 ◼ ► about what has gone wrong about how long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7529">TS</a>]
02:05:32 ◼ ► it might take and that they're actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7532">TS</a>]
02:05:34 ◼ ► planning on apparently one and a half to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7534">TS</a>]
02:05:38 ◼ ► two pro desktop lines depending on what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7538">TS</a>]
02:05:40 ◼ ► the imac pro ends up being that to me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7540">TS</a>]
02:05:44 ◼ ► awesome and I'm just incredibly happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7544">TS</a>]
02:05:47 ◼ ► and relieved as a user of this platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7547">TS</a>]
02:05:51 ◼ ► and as a fan of this company and its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7551">TS</a>]
02:05:53 ◼ ► products and everything like so much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7553">TS</a>]
02:05:56 ◼ ► my life is in the Apple universe and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7556">TS</a>]
02:05:58 ◼ ► most of it is in the mac universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7558">TS</a>]
02:06:01 ◼ ► specifically to know that Apple is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7561">TS</a>]
02:06:05 ◼ ► committed to it it really means a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7565">TS</a>]
02:06:08 ◼ ► and it's something that we've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7568">TS</a>]
02:06:10 ◼ ► lacking for some time in at least being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7570">TS</a>]
02:06:12 ◼ ► shown to the public and so I'm very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7572">TS</a>]
02:06:15 ◼ ► happy here's my hope for this new macro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7575">TS</a>]
02:06:18 ◼ ► because as we've just got some many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7578">TS</a>]
02:06:23 ◼ ► recommitment people are understandably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7583">TS</a>]
02:06:25 ◼ ► wary because even when they come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7585">TS</a>]
02:06:26 ◼ ► with the new Mac Pro people are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7586">TS</a>]
02:06:29 ◼ ► say well that's great no but you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7589">TS</a>]
02:06:31 ◼ ► this once in 2013 fool me once right why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7591">TS</a>]
02:06:33 ◼ ► would I buy this machine you know if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7593">TS</a>]
02:06:37 ◼ ► have no faith that you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7597">TS</a>]
02:06:38 ◼ ► update it but if everybody takes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7598">TS</a>]
02:06:42 ◼ ► attitude when the new Mac Pro comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7602">TS</a>]
02:06:44 ◼ ► Apple is going to be like well maybe we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7604">TS</a>]
02:06:46 ◼ ► misjudged this because we come up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7606">TS</a>]
02:06:48 ◼ ► this new Mac Pro and people aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7608">TS</a>]
02:06:50 ◼ ► excited about it and a lot of people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7610">TS</a>]
02:06:51 ◼ ► buying it despite the fact that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7611">TS</a>]
02:06:53 ◼ ► got to be pent up demand so I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7613">TS</a>]
02:06:56 ◼ ► important for when the new Mac Pro comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7616">TS</a>]
02:06:58 ◼ ► out for it to be successful in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7618">TS</a>]
02:06:59 ◼ ► market and my hope for the way that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7619">TS</a>]
02:07:05 ◼ ► old-fashioned way because then you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7625">TS</a>]
02:07:06 ◼ ► you can't prove that you're going to we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7626">TS</a>]
02:07:08 ◼ ► promise to update this next year in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7628">TS</a>]
02:07:09 ◼ ► year after the you wrap you can say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7629">TS</a>]
02:07:10 ◼ ► all you want but people people aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7630">TS</a>]
02:07:12 ◼ ► going to trust you at this point right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7632">TS</a>]
02:07:13 ◼ ► you have you have a trust issue the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7633">TS</a>]
02:07:15 ◼ ► you can get people to buy this thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7635">TS</a>]
02:07:16 ◼ ► get them to be excited about it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7636">TS</a>]
02:07:18 ◼ ► way Apple used to get people to buy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7638">TS</a>]
02:07:20 ◼ ► be excited about almost all of its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7640">TS</a>]
02:07:22 ◼ ► computers but certainly it's top end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7642">TS</a>]
02:07:23 ◼ ► ones show me that this new thing you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7643">TS</a>]
02:07:26 ◼ ► going to sell for thousands of dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7646">TS</a>]
02:07:27 ◼ ► is the fastest thing money can buy show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7647">TS</a>]
02:07:30 ◼ ► me that it can do things that not only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7650">TS</a>]
02:07:32 ◼ ► no Mac could do but like that for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7652">TS</a>]
02:07:34 ◼ ► brief moment probably really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7654">TS</a>]
02:07:36 ◼ ► brief it is like the fastest thing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7656">TS</a>]
02:07:38 ◼ ► the world at a bunch of tasks show me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7658">TS</a>]
02:07:41 ◼ ► that it runs Final Cut Pro faster than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7661">TS</a>]
02:07:42 ◼ ► any other computer has ever run it show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7662">TS</a>]
02:07:44 ◼ ► me that it runs 3ds stuff fast like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7664">TS</a>]
02:07:46 ◼ ► whatever pic VR like I don't care what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7666">TS</a>]
02:07:48 ◼ ► it is specifically but you have to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7668">TS</a>]
02:07:50 ◼ ► me to get me excited about this computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7670">TS</a>]
02:07:52 ◼ ► that is not just finally a Mac that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7672">TS</a>]
02:07:55 ◼ ► can use to do my job get me excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7675">TS</a>]
02:07:57 ◼ ► enough that I forget about the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7677">TS</a>]
02:07:59 ◼ ► you introduced a fancy new computer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7679">TS</a>]
02:08:01 ◼ ► didn't update it for four years right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7681">TS</a>]
02:08:02 ◼ ► make me just say I just got to have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7682">TS</a>]
02:08:04 ◼ ► because it's so darn cool or fast or has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7684">TS</a>]
02:08:07 ◼ ► some capability even if I'm never going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7687">TS</a>]
02:08:08 ◼ ► to do that they used to do that with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7688">TS</a>]
02:08:09 ◼ ► their laptops for crying out loud i buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7689">TS</a>]
02:08:11 ◼ ► this laptop it's the world's fastest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7691">TS</a>]
02:08:13 ◼ ► laptop or it has the best screen or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7693">TS</a>]
02:08:15 ◼ ► know it's got to be the best or look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7695">TS</a>]
02:08:18 ◼ ► the the throughput on the storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7698">TS</a>]
02:08:20 ◼ ► whatever it is that's that is a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7700">TS</a>]
02:08:24 ◼ ► you know it's not appropriate for you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7704">TS</a>]
02:08:25 ◼ ► do on the imac or the macbook and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7705">TS</a>]
02:08:29 ◼ ► on the phone they show those little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7709">TS</a>]
02:08:30 ◼ ► graph to show how much faster it is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7710">TS</a>]
02:08:32 ◼ ► stuff like that but like this is the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7712">TS</a>]
02:08:34 ◼ ► pro get us excited about it do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7714">TS</a>]
02:08:37 ◼ ► release it and say yay aren't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7717">TS</a>]
02:08:41 ◼ ► competitive no I want you to crush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7721">TS</a>]
02:08:43 ◼ ► everything is going to cost thousands of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7723">TS</a>]
02:08:45 ◼ ► dollars I know it's the next week it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7725">TS</a>]
02:08:47 ◼ ► not going to be the best thing and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7727">TS</a>]
02:08:48 ◼ ► know the benchmarks will be contrived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7728">TS</a>]
02:08:50 ◼ ► and probably isn't really the fastest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7730">TS</a>]
02:08:51 ◼ ► and you can still build a pc for less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7731">TS</a>]
02:08:53 ◼ ► avianna but you just if you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7733">TS</a>]
02:08:55 ◼ ► go through all this trouble and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7735">TS</a>]
02:08:57 ◼ ► this product and you want to convince [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7737">TS</a>]
02:08:59 ◼ ► enough of us to buy it despite our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7739">TS</a>]
02:09:00 ◼ ► veterans thinks about the fact that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7740">TS</a>]
02:09:02 ◼ ► won't be supported going forward make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7742">TS</a>]
02:09:04 ◼ ► awesome in at least a couple of ways so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7744">TS</a>]
02:09:06 ◼ ► that we come out of the presentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7746">TS</a>]
02:09:08 ◼ ► drooling they say I don't even think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7748">TS</a>]
02:09:10 ◼ ► need this thing but I want it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7750">TS</a>]
02:09:12 ◼ ► it's awesome that is the feeling that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7752">TS</a>]
02:09:14 ◼ ► want I think we even had that feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7754">TS</a>]
02:09:16 ◼ ► for the for the trash can because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7756">TS</a>]
02:09:18 ◼ ► like who knows what this thing can do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7758">TS</a>]
02:09:20 ◼ ► workstation GPUs what does that even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7760">TS</a>]
02:09:22 ◼ ► mean what the hell is the d500 there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7762">TS</a>]
02:09:24 ◼ ► not a part number that i right i mean we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7764">TS</a>]
02:09:25 ◼ ► we learned it wasn't as cool as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7765">TS</a>]
02:09:27 ◼ ► thought it was or anything but but yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7767">TS</a>]
02:09:30 ◼ ► that's that's my hope for this product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7770">TS</a>]
02:09:33 ◼ ► strategy to get people off their butts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7773">TS</a>]
02:09:35 ◼ ► and into the apple store is plunking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7775">TS</a>]
02:09:37 ◼ ► down there thousands of dollars for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7777">TS</a>]
02:09:38 ◼ ► stuff and after that all you got to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7778">TS</a>]
02:09:40 ◼ ► is execute next year updated next to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7780">TS</a>]
02:09:41 ◼ ► your updated next year updated and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7781">TS</a>]
02:09:42 ◼ ► everything will work out yet this I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7782">TS</a>]
02:09:46 ◼ ► like is the the first step in a in what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7786">TS</a>]
02:09:51 ◼ ► is going to have to be a multi-year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7791">TS</a>]
02:09:53 ◼ ► series of actions by Apple to regain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7793">TS</a>]
02:09:57 ◼ ► that trust and to show all of us Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7797">TS</a>]
02:10:00 ◼ ► buyers and just Mac fans in general to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7800">TS</a>]
02:10:04 ◼ ► committed to this after all and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7804">TS</a>]
02:10:06 ◼ ► going to take not only the release of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7806">TS</a>]
02:10:07 ◼ ► this product but then also an update or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7807">TS</a>]
02:10:10 ◼ ► two to know to show like yet we really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7810">TS</a>]
02:10:12 ◼ ► are going to keep sup date at this time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7812">TS</a>]
02:10:13 ◼ ► thanks a lot to our sponsors this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7813">TS</a>]
02:10:16 ◼ ► Casper betterment and indochino and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7816">TS</a>]
02:10:20 ◼ ► will talk to you next week now the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7820">TS</a>]
02:10:25 ◼ ► is over they didn't even mean to begin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7825">TS</a>]
02:10:29 ◼ ► it was accidental oh it was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7829">TS</a>]
02:10:33 ◼ ► John did any research Marco and Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7833">TS</a>]
02:10:38 ◼ ► wouldn't let him cuz it was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7838">TS</a>]
02:10:41 ◼ ► it was accidental and you can find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7841">TS</a>]
02:10:46 ◼ ► show notes at ATP FM and if you're into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7846">TS</a>]
02:10:52 ◼ ► twitter you can follow them at KS e yl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7852">TS</a>]
02:10:58 ◼ ► ISS so that's Casey list ma our CEO a RM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7858">TS</a>]
02:11:03 ◼ ► aunty Marco Arment Li are they see us a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7863">TS</a>]
02:11:22 ◼ ► so did I win the bet or rather I guess I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7882">TS</a>]
02:11:27 ◼ ► didn't win yet did I lose the bet it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7887">TS</a>]
02:11:30 ◼ ► it's iffy I think you put a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7890">TS</a>]
02:11:33 ◼ ► qualifiers on like if these exact models [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7893">TS</a>]
02:11:35 ◼ ► are on sale come January and technically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7895">TS</a>]
02:11:37 ◼ ► these exact models won't be on sale even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7897">TS</a>]
02:11:39 ◼ ► though they just shifting configuration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7899">TS</a>]
02:11:40 ◼ ► in prices that's not the exact models [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7900">TS</a>]
02:11:42 ◼ ► with the exact specs so I we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7902">TS</a>]
02:11:43 ◼ ► go back to the tape and see exactly how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7903">TS</a>]
02:11:45 ◼ ► you're phrasing yeah because i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7905">TS</a>]
02:11:46 ◼ ► said like is the 2013 mac pro still for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7906">TS</a>]
02:11:50 ◼ ► sale at the end is here and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7910">TS</a>]
02:11:52 ◼ ► almost certainly going to be yes but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7912">TS</a>]
02:11:54 ◼ ► unmodified and that is the question do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7914">TS</a>]
02:12:00 ◼ ► you think on january first 2018 the 2013 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7920">TS</a>]
02:12:06 ◼ ► absolutely not I vote yes I I would if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7926">TS</a>]
02:12:12 ◼ ► had to pick I would vote no but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7932">TS</a>]
02:12:13 ◼ ► as big of a it's not as sure of things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7933">TS</a>]
02:12:16 ◼ ► I would hope it would be as I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7936">TS</a>]
02:12:18 ◼ ► about it I'm like you want about five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7938">TS</a>]
02:12:19 ◼ ► bucks betting you any money i'm guessing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7939">TS</a>]
02:12:23 ◼ ► january first 2018 it's still for sale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7943">TS</a>]
02:12:25 ◼ ► I'll take your five dollar bet yeah all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7945">TS</a>]
02:12:28 ◼ ► right it's a deal if I said I'd modified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7948">TS</a>]
02:12:33 ◼ ► it's arguable whether it has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7953">TS</a>]
02:12:35 ◼ ► modified or not because here's the deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7955">TS</a>]
02:12:37 ◼ ► that what they did today was it used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7957">TS</a>]
02:12:41 ◼ ► used to have you know four six four and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7961">TS</a>]
02:12:44 ◼ ► six core you know skus and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7964">TS</a>]
02:12:47 ◼ ► could custom build them up to eight and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7967">TS</a>]
02:12:48 ◼ ► twelve they eliminate it and also the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7968">TS</a>]
02:12:51 ◼ ► d300 500 and 700 GPUs what they've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7971">TS</a>]
02:12:54 ◼ ► is they've eliminated the four core and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7974">TS</a>]
02:12:56 ◼ ► the d300 so they got rid of the lowest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7976">TS</a>]
02:12:59 ◼ ► end parts and they they basically mood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7979">TS</a>]
02:13:01 ◼ ► everything down a notch so now the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7981">TS</a>]
02:13:03 ◼ ► low-end skew gets the six core and the D [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7983">TS</a>]
02:13:07 ◼ ► 500 and the high-end skew gets the eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7987">TS</a>]
02:13:09 ◼ ► core and the d700 now these are all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7989">TS</a>]
02:13:12 ◼ ► parts that were available from since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7992">TS</a>]
02:13:14 ◼ ► 2013 these are all the same parts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7994">TS</a>]
02:13:16 ◼ ► like nothing else has changed except for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7996">TS</a>]
02:13:19 ◼ ► the options that come pre-configured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/7999">TS</a>]
02:13:21 ◼ ► with the two SKUs in the store so does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8001">TS</a>]
02:13:27 ◼ ► that count as whether the computer has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8007">TS</a>]
02:13:30 ◼ ► been still available at the end of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8010">TS</a>]
02:13:32 ◼ ► year unmodified or not so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8012">TS</a>]
02:13:36 ◼ ► ambiguity here and I think the one clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8016">TS</a>]
02:13:39 ◼ ► resolution to this problem is when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8019">TS</a>]
02:13:42 ◼ ► or someone else I'm assuming you because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8022">TS</a>]
02:13:45 ◼ ► this is your mo bhai a a mac pro in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8025">TS</a>]
02:13:49 ◼ ► week or two what does the mac pro se is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8029">TS</a>]
02:13:53 ◼ ► it Mac Pro comma early 2017 then it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8033">TS</a>]
02:13:58 ◼ ► new computer but if it still says Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8038">TS</a>]
02:14:00 ◼ ► Pro comma prehistoric it i mean 2013 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8040">TS</a>]
02:14:04 ◼ ► then it is the same computer commas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8044">TS</a>]
02:14:08 ◼ ► parenthesis right yeah right sorry comma [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8048">TS</a>]
02:14:12 ◼ ► print is you know what I'm saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8052">TS</a>]
02:14:13 ◼ ► is probably right like I think I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8053">TS</a>]
02:14:17 ◼ ► consider that I would consider that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8057">TS</a>]
02:14:18 ◼ ► authoritative source as well and I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8058">TS</a>]
02:14:20 ◼ ► almost certainly guarantee that it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8060">TS</a>]
02:14:22 ◼ ► gonna get a new model identifier I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8062">TS</a>]
02:14:23 ◼ ► cannot see that happening wait I'm sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8063">TS</a>]
02:14:26 ◼ ► so you're saying it would still read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8066">TS</a>]
02:14:28 ◼ ► 2013 yeah because I'm guessing that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8068">TS</a>]
02:14:31 ◼ ► whatever whatever they have changed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8071">TS</a>]
02:14:34 ◼ ► does not get a new model ID and it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8074">TS</a>]
02:14:36 ◼ ► not get a new name and apple support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8076">TS</a>]
02:14:39 ◼ ► system like you know Mac Pro late 2013 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8079">TS</a>]
02:14:41 ◼ ► like I'm guessing there isn't it is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8081">TS</a>]
02:14:43 ◼ ► what you're saying right like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8083">TS</a>]
02:14:44 ◼ ► though yeah yeah yeah yeah I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8084">TS</a>]
02:14:45 ◼ ► they've ever changed the cusp of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8085">TS</a>]
02:14:48 ◼ ► support facing english-language name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8088">TS</a>]
02:14:51 ◼ ► without also changing the internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8091">TS</a>]
02:14:54 ◼ ► identifier like that so if they you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8094">TS</a>]
02:14:58 ◼ ► whatever the model is you know Mac Pro 6 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8098">TS</a>]
02:15:00 ◼ ► comma 1 or whatever the hell that trash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8100">TS</a>]
02:15:02 ◼ ► can is I can't imagine them changing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8102">TS</a>]
02:15:06 ◼ ► external name to say Mac Pro 2016 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8106">TS</a>]
02:15:09 ◼ ► without also change the internal one but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8109">TS</a>]
02:15:11 ◼ ► there's no way they're changing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8111">TS</a>]
02:15:12 ◼ ► internal one because the hardware is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8112">TS</a>]
02:15:13 ◼ ► literally the same exactly so I see I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8113">TS</a>]
02:15:16 ◼ ► think they're not going to change it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8116">TS</a>]
02:15:17 ◼ ► internal or external name because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8117">TS</a>]
02:15:19 ◼ ► go they come in a pair so then you win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8119">TS</a>]
02:15:23 ◼ ► right because if it would win if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8123">TS</a>]
02:15:27 ◼ ► still for sale on on january first oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8127">TS</a>]
02:15:29 ◼ ► that that part i'm pretty confident so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8129">TS</a>]
02:15:31 ◼ ► unless they and we didn't talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8131">TS</a>]
02:15:33 ◼ ► this in the main part of the show but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8133">TS</a>]
02:15:35 ◼ ► there is the slim chance that they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8135">TS</a>]
02:15:36 ◼ ► deeply under promising with the hope / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8136">TS</a>]
02:15:40 ◼ ► intention of over delivering so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8140">TS</a>]
02:15:42 ◼ ► never know what will happen but if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8142">TS</a>]
02:15:45 ◼ ► take up with their word then you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8145">TS</a>]
02:15:47 ◼ ► not see a new new Mac Pro until at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8147">TS</a>]
02:15:50 ◼ ► 18 which means if it still reads Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8150">TS</a>]
02:15:54 ◼ ► comma paren late 2013 or whatever it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8154">TS</a>]
02:15:56 ◼ ► then I owe you five dollars look comma [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8156">TS</a>]
02:16:00 ◼ ► yeah and I think now that they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8160">TS</a>]
02:16:01 ◼ ► announced pre ants the upcoming one I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8161">TS</a>]
02:16:04 ◼ ► think they are free now to stop selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8164">TS</a>]
02:16:07 ◼ ► the trash can as soon as you think not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8167">TS</a>]
02:16:09 ◼ ► enough people are buying it anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8169">TS</a>]
02:16:10 ◼ ► because presumably sales will tail off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8170">TS</a>]
02:16:12 ◼ ► even more now I know there's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8172">TS</a>]
02:16:13 ◼ ► people who just need to replace it cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8173">TS</a>]
02:16:15 ◼ ► they're you know that they just need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8175">TS</a>]
02:16:16 ◼ ► more of them period right but come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8176">TS</a>]
02:16:18 ◼ ► January they could say all right well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8178">TS</a>]
02:16:21 ◼ ► we've drained all our existing inventory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8181">TS</a>]
02:16:22 ◼ ► and sales have slowed to a trickle and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8182">TS</a>]
02:16:24 ◼ ► we know although we're not going to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8184">TS</a>]
02:16:26 ◼ ► you yet the new one is coming in next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8186">TS</a>]
02:16:28 ◼ ► month's and so we're discontinuing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8188">TS</a>]
02:16:30 ◼ ► that grown it is continue and no one's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8190">TS</a>]
02:16:31 ◼ ► going to be upset but still like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8191">TS</a>]
02:16:32 ◼ ► already told us the replacements coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8192">TS</a>]
02:16:34 ◼ ► like it's you know is it's there for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8194">TS</a>]
02:16:37 ◼ ► what I'm saying is there are now free to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8197">TS</a>]
02:16:39 ◼ ► stop sign a trash can anytime they think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8199">TS</a>]
02:16:41 ◼ ► it is a reasonable thing to do and so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8201">TS</a>]
02:16:44 ◼ ► have to wait until January before any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8204">TS</a>]
02:16:45 ◼ ► money changes hands because it is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8205">TS</a>]
02:16:47 ◼ ► inconceivable they could just plain stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8207">TS</a>]
02:16:49 ◼ ► selling it because we all know no one's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8209">TS</a>]
02:16:51 ◼ ► coming oh yeah I'm definitely not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8211">TS</a>]
02:16:52 ◼ ► to declare victory or loss until January [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8212">TS</a>]
02:16:54 ◼ ► first but it's still night it's on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8214">TS</a>]
02:16:57 ◼ ► calendar we will see do we want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8217">TS</a>]
02:17:00 ◼ ► mention t-shirts oh yeah we launched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8220">TS</a>]
02:17:02 ◼ ► t-shirts that's the thing that's a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8222">TS</a>]
02:17:05 ◼ ► go to our site ATP that FM / shirt or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8225">TS</a>]
02:17:08 ◼ ► just go to the shirts item in the nav [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8228">TS</a>]
02:17:11 ◼ ► bar on our site and we'll put a link in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8231">TS</a>]
02:17:13 ◼ ► the show notes as well and probably have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8233">TS</a>]
02:17:15 ◼ ► some kind of promotional artwork and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8235">TS</a>]
02:17:17 ◼ ► link at a chapter marker at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8237">TS</a>]
02:17:19 ◼ ► in the podcast as well because we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8239">TS</a>]
02:17:21 ◼ ► really good at self-promotion that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8241">TS</a>]
02:17:22 ◼ ► we do things so we had a couple of minor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8242">TS</a>]
02:17:25 ◼ ► glitches if you saw it when we first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8245">TS</a>]
02:17:27 ◼ ► launched it there were a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8247">TS</a>]
02:17:28 ◼ ► issues with certain sizes being sold out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8248">TS</a>]
02:17:30 ◼ ► which we didn't even know was a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8250">TS</a>]
02:17:32 ◼ ► aunty spring but apparently it is so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8252">TS</a>]
02:17:34 ◼ ► fixed that now thank you John for fixing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8254">TS</a>]
02:17:37 ◼ ► that very quickly before the show always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8257">TS</a>]
02:17:39 ◼ ► we think we fixed that I'm pretty sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8259">TS</a>]
02:17:41 ◼ ► it fix that if you yeah if you don't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8261">TS</a>]
02:17:44 ◼ ► a size option listed just send us an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8264">TS</a>]
02:17:46 ◼ ► email and we'll do something we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8266">TS</a>]
02:17:50 ◼ ► trying to we're trying to get you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8270">TS</a>]
02:17:52 ◼ ► shirts in the sizes that you want the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8272">TS</a>]
02:17:55 ◼ ► the website is fighting us on that yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8275">TS</a>]
02:17:57 ◼ ► and the shirt design it's an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8277">TS</a>]
02:17:58 ◼ ► story it so it was actually about a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8278">TS</a>]
02:18:04 ◼ ► I had the additional concept and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8284">TS</a>]
02:18:05 ◼ ► John did a lot of work on it and came up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8285">TS</a>]
02:18:08 ◼ ► with something way better but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8288">TS</a>]
02:18:09 ◼ ► initial concept that led to this shirt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8289">TS</a>]
02:18:11 ◼ ► was basically mac pro's and it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8291">TS</a>]
02:18:15 ◼ ► it was like the first mac pro the trash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8295">TS</a>]
02:18:17 ◼ ► can and then like a dotted box with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8297">TS</a>]
02:18:19 ◼ ► question mark in like what comes next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8299">TS</a>]
02:18:21 ◼ ► where is the new mac pro and that kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8301">TS</a>]
02:18:23 ◼ ► of evolved over over a week of design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8303">TS</a>]
02:18:25 ◼ ► and into what we have now which is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8305">TS</a>]
02:18:27 ◼ ► of a a celebration of the of the pro mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8307">TS</a>]
02:18:30 ◼ ► desktops over time right from the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8310">TS</a>]
02:18:32 ◼ ► first one all painstakingly illustrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8312">TS</a>]
02:18:35 ◼ ► by the artist on the show John siracusa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8315">TS</a>]
02:18:37 ◼ ► and are involved at his trace things it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8317">TS</a>]
02:18:40 ◼ ► forgot to credit it was artist seriously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8320">TS</a>]
02:18:43 ◼ ► well I'd take more credit for for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8323">TS</a>]
02:18:45 ◼ ► design concept because in the channel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8325">TS</a>]
02:18:47 ◼ ► was like hey Mac Pro mac pro ? and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8327">TS</a>]
02:18:49 ◼ ► thought the question mark was a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8329">TS</a>]
02:18:51 ◼ ► bit too snarky but like a where is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8331">TS</a>]
02:18:52 ◼ ► new mac pro like I didn't want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8332">TS</a>]
02:18:54 ◼ ► didn't want the shirt to be accusatory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8334">TS</a>]
02:18:56 ◼ ► because people want to you know where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8336">TS</a>]
02:18:59 ◼ ► and feel good about it not like here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8339">TS</a>]
02:19:01 ◼ ► this angry protest shirt that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8341">TS</a>]
02:19:03 ◼ ► wearing and one of the in-between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8343">TS</a>]
02:19:05 ◼ ► designs was like well what about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8345">TS</a>]
02:19:06 ◼ ► what about the evolution of the mac pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8346">TS</a>]
02:19:10 ◼ ► like doing like the whole evolution from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8350">TS</a>]
02:19:12 ◼ ► like you know monkey to to Homo Sapien [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8352">TS</a>]
02:19:15 ◼ ► you never seen that thing they are we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8355">TS</a>]
02:19:16 ◼ ► showing like textbooks of like starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8356">TS</a>]
02:19:18 ◼ ► off all hunched and gets up right in at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8358">TS</a>]
02:19:19 ◼ ► the end there's like the human being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8359">TS</a>]
02:19:20 ◼ ► holding the spear or whatever you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8360">TS</a>]
02:19:22 ◼ ► that that was the idea trying to pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8362">TS</a>]
02:19:25 ◼ ► that off with computers because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8365">TS</a>]
02:19:26 ◼ ► not tall and slender like humans are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8366">TS</a>]
02:19:28 ◼ ► doesn't really work that well tried a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8368">TS</a>]
02:19:30 ◼ ► whole bunch of different iterations on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8370">TS</a>]
02:19:31 ◼ ► it we couldn't quite get it we'd already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8371">TS</a>]
02:19:33 ◼ ► eliminated the question mark there are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8373">TS</a>]
02:19:35 ◼ ► couple times I still think had some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8375">TS</a>]
02:19:37 ◼ ► likes them but someone who's a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8377">TS</a>]
02:19:39 ◼ ► designer than I am could maybe make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8379">TS</a>]
02:19:40 ◼ ► work well then you know we banded that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8380">TS</a>]
02:19:43 ◼ ► instead we'll look let's just make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8383">TS</a>]
02:19:44 ◼ ► know ? let's just make it about promax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8384">TS</a>]
02:19:48 ◼ ► and me being the old person that I am I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8388">TS</a>]
02:19:50 ◼ ► have the long view of promax it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8390">TS</a>]
02:19:52 ◼ ► cheese grater trash can ? there have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8392">TS</a>]
02:19:56 ◼ ► been many we didn't include them all but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8396">TS</a>]
02:19:57 ◼ ► there have been many many pro mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8397">TS</a>]
02:19:59 ◼ ► designs at the beginning every mac was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8399">TS</a>]
02:20:02 ◼ ► the top-of-the-line Mac because first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8402">TS</a>]
02:20:03 ◼ ► there was only one and when there was to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8403">TS</a>]
02:20:05 ◼ ► the new one was faster than the old one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8405">TS</a>]
02:20:07 ◼ ► and when there was three the third one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8407">TS</a>]
02:20:09 ◼ ► was faster than the first in the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8409">TS</a>]
02:20:11 ◼ ► and like so early in the pc industry and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8411">TS</a>]
02:20:13 ◼ ► especially in the history of the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8413">TS</a>]
02:20:14 ◼ ► every mac was better than all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8414">TS</a>]
02:20:17 ◼ ► possible way like one of them came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8417">TS</a>]
02:20:19 ◼ ► with color and it was like the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8419">TS</a>]
02:20:20 ◼ ► ones are black and white is this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8420">TS</a>]
02:20:21 ◼ ► color it wins right so what we put on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8421">TS</a>]
02:20:24 ◼ ► the shirt is the classic Mac and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8424">TS</a>]
02:20:27 ◼ ► are many of these obviously the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8427">TS</a>]
02:20:28 ◼ ► one was the fastest but then the SE was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8428">TS</a>]
02:20:29 ◼ ► faster and then you know or the plus was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8429">TS</a>]
02:20:31 ◼ ► faster than the SE and SE 30 and so on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8431">TS</a>]
02:20:33 ◼ ► and so forth men then the color max the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8433">TS</a>]
02:20:35 ◼ ► mac 2 2 X 2 FX and then I skipped a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8435">TS</a>]
02:20:38 ◼ ► whole bunch of weird-looking towers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8438">TS</a>]
02:20:39 ◼ ► don't look good in profile because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8439">TS</a>]
02:20:40 ◼ ► something somewhat remember the shirt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8440">TS</a>]
02:20:42 ◼ ► and then I skipped to the g3 and g4 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8442">TS</a>]
02:20:45 ◼ ► design which i think is fantastic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8445">TS</a>]
02:20:47 ◼ ► then the g5 cheese grater which lasted a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8447">TS</a>]
02:20:49 ◼ ► really long time and then finally the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8449">TS</a>]
02:20:51 ◼ ► trash can so we have a nice progression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8451">TS</a>]
02:20:53 ◼ ► of promax and not pictured is every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8453">TS</a>]
02:20:56 ◼ ► other mac that was not a pro mac all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8456">TS</a>]
02:20:58 ◼ ► laptops aren't there because FM hoping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8458">TS</a>]
02:21:01 ◼ ► all the boring towers that were like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8461">TS</a>]
02:21:05 ◼ ► mid-range the LC is not there the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8465">TS</a>]
02:21:08 ◼ ► know the what other weird like the tooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8468">TS</a>]
02:21:12 ◼ ► is not there the emac is not on the list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8472">TS</a>]
02:21:14 ◼ ► none of the imax are shown in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8474">TS</a>]
02:21:16 ◼ ► silhouette this show this shirt and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8476">TS</a>]
02:21:20 ◼ ► many episodes of the show are all about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8480">TS</a>]
02:21:22 ◼ ► pro desktop max max was there like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8482">TS</a>]
02:21:25 ◼ ► least popular most uninteresting than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8485">TS</a>]
02:21:28 ◼ ► most people max in the lineup and yet we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8488">TS</a>]
02:21:31 ◼ ► spend as much to casey's regret so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8491">TS</a>]
02:21:34 ◼ ► time in the show part talking about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8494">TS</a>]
02:21:36 ◼ ► it is the logo of our show as discussed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8496">TS</a>]
02:21:38 ◼ ► was originally the cheese grater with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8498">TS</a>]
02:21:40 ◼ ► the snarky new badge on it and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8500">TS</a>]
02:21:42 ◼ ► later logo of our show that you may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8502">TS</a>]
02:21:44 ◼ ► looking at right now assuming out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8504">TS</a>]
02:21:45 ◼ ► driving a Tesla and seeing some crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8505">TS</a>]
02:21:46 ◼ ► artwork that is unrelated is a depiction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8506">TS</a>]
02:21:49 ◼ ► of the front of the current trashcan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8509">TS</a>]
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02:22:02 ◼ ► recording this and by the time you hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8522">TS</a>]
02:22:04 ◼ ► it less than 20 days and thus far we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8524">TS</a>]
02:22:08 ◼ ► have never repeated the design so don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8528">TS</a>]
02:22:12 ◼ ► think well I don't want to buy the shirt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8532">TS</a>]
02:22:13 ◼ ► now we'll buy next year you probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8533">TS</a>]
02:22:14 ◼ ► won't if you want to sure it buy it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8534">TS</a>]
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02:22:20 ◼ ► lot of complaints about it was super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8540">TS</a>]
02:22:21 ◼ ► expensive to ship these outside the US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8541">TS</a>]
02:22:23 ◼ ► we've gone with a different vendor this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8543">TS</a>]
02:22:25 ◼ ► time that has fulfillment from the EU so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8545">TS</a>]
02:22:27 ◼ ► hopefully the shipping will be cheaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8547">TS</a>]
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02:23:08 ◼ ► not the same in the US and Europe and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8588">TS</a>]
02:23:09 ◼ ► then not the same on men's and women's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8589">TS</a>]
02:23:11 ◼ ► because they're just not we did we tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8591">TS</a>]
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02:23:14 ◼ ► but we are limited by the offerings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8594">TS</a>]
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02:23:21 ◼ ► find the best shirt for you we apologise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8601">TS</a>]
02:23:23 ◼ ► for inconsistencies we apologise for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8603">TS</a>]
02:23:25 ◼ ► regional and gender inconsistencies that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8605">TS</a>]
02:23:27 ◼ ► we did the best we could indeed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8607">TS</a>]
02:23:30 ◼ ► special thanks to John for doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQnYGgI/8610">TS</a>]
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