The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► some point in the semi near future we [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► should do our I guess biannual which can [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► either mean twice a year or every two [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► years announcement on the show that [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► there is more of the podcast that for [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► the song because I still okay yeah I [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► still occasionally you know wake up in [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► the mill that I and think I wonder how [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► many people stopped listening when the [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► song plays it haunts me a little bit [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► done that's our pre-show that doesn't [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► count as the announcement I need to like [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► explain that link as it does no I bought [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► it I mean fine you can put that in [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► that's fine but I'm like I want to [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► explain it link like the song plays and [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► then the show continues and I know it's [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► confusing but that's just what we do yes [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► we have an after show it's after the [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► theme song listen to it the end but [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► minute it needs to be explained how much [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► more does it need this does not need to [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► be it does not need to be belabor do you [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► think it doesn't need to be booked trust [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► me like it here yes yes you if you were [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► more of you know invasive instead of [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► respecting people's privacy we could [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► know exactly when they stopped listening [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► on overcast anyway but no you don't [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► wanna collect any data about anybody [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► just ask the mid role they probably know [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► Oh sick burn sick burn so it's been a [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► big week huge week you could say because [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► John siracusa you have your new file [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► system on your phone assuming you've [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► upgraded so how about them apples I did [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► upgrade i upgraded my device and [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► everybody's device I was very excited to [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► do it it's a little less bit less [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► exciting than having on your Mac because [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► there's really no way as far as I've [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► been able to determine to tell that you [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► have a PFS on your iOS device short of [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► you know digging around with some dev [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► tool or whatever one of the things that [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► I heard people mentioning to try which [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► makes sense to me is you know in [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► settings general like storage usage or [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► manage storage like somewhere you keep [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► going down to the thing that tells you [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► how much room is being taken up on your [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► iOS device by various applications their [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► files you know that screen well that [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► screen in the old world had to crawl [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► through each applications you know [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► little directory of stuff and add up the [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► size of everything and it would take a [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► lot of load you'd see it like load some [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► of the things then you'd wait and [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► there'd be a little [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► benner and some more applications would [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► appear and if you you know if you looked [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► at it quickly you think oh the thing [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► that's most using the most storage is [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► whatever is on the top but is wait two [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► seconds another Apple come in another [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► app and I timed it on my old iphone 6 [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► and it was like 20-something seconds now [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► I haven't upgraded that old iphone 6 to [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► a PFS yet but in theory because one of [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► the features that a PFS has is what they [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► call fast directory sizing where the [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► file system keeps track of the size of [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► the stuff that's under a directory in [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► real time all the time rather than [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► having to crawl over it and calculate it [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► when you asked for it in theory that [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► screen well it's just not how how big [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► everything is should be a lot faster [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► because I didn't think to do this until [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► I had upgraded almost every device in [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► the house I don't actually have numbers [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► on it but I can tell you that on my [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► iphone 7 that I did upgrade it is two to [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► three times as fast as it is on the [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► iphone 6 that I didn't upgrade but [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► anyway when I'm actually might upgrade [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► the iphone 6 i'll get timings um but [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► that's the first thing i can think of to [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► like how how will this manifest in a way [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► that you can notice the other way all [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► right a hold on it so just to be clear [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► that's settings general this is in 10.3 [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► storage and I Cloud usage and then [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► manage storage and you'll see used and [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► available and then you'll see all the [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► stuff kind of populate all in one shot [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► ya know it's actually more than one shot [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► but it's pretty doing it it does it it's [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► not instant which is what you would [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► think good be which makes you think [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► maybe it's not actually faster because [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► like so many things after OS upgrades [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► there are a lot of sort of false [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► indicators if you you know any any OS [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► upgrade mac upgrade a phone upgrade even [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► just rebooting makes many things faster [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► subjectively and objectively so it's [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► very difficult to tell the other item [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► it's not in the and the notes here but [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► that has come up a lot is like wow i [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► upgraded 10.3 and suddenly i have more [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► free space on my phone is that a tribute [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► to a PFS maybe because of maybe like [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► volume bitmap sizes and file system [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► metadata but that's a stretch most [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► likely my theory is that it cleans out [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► you know just rebooting and cleaning out [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► cache files as part of the upgrade [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► process frees up a free space because [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► you know how iOS caches a bunch of crap [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► in places that aren't really attributed [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► to any particular application [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► like I don't know I would there's [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► nothing specific in a PFS unless they're [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► doing a lot of copy-on-write cloning of [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► duplicate files which I don't think they [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► are as part of the upgrade process I [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► can't imagine getting back some huge [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► percentage of disk space but I don't [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► know I haven't heard a convincing [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► explanation that but certainly it's [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► possible that merely by rebooting or [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► doing the OS upgrading cleaning out [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► temporary directories you could free up [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► a lot of extra space some people have [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► reported that the total capacity is [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► reported differently and that could be [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► the case as well but there's million [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► things that can cause that but anyway I [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► would say fast directory sizing assuming [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► it's even being used by that storage [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► management screen could be way a way [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► that you can tell this is happening but [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► even if there is actually no way for you [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► to tell that you've upgraded the file [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► system you can get warm fuzzies inside [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► and knowing that a better file system is [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► there under the covers and then erase [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► those warm fuzzies with a giant eraser [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► that says that integrity is still not [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► being checked so good luck I mean for [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► what it's worth a TP tipster in the chat [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► has said that if you have a 64-bit [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► device and you're running iOS 10 3 you [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► were running a PFS yeah that's the story [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► is you don't have a choice you get it [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► whether you want it or not oh and one [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► more item on AV if that's the thing [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► that's actually in here David Reed [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► written to say that someone in Arabic [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► speaking country was using his [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► application on iOS 10.3 public beta and [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► they couldn't open their files until [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► renaming them to English after upgrading [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► from Iowa standpoint to toot my 3 this [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► gets back to what we talked about at the [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► end of the last show that a PFS does not [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► normalize the character encoding of file [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► names and I thought as I said the last [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► show well that's a bummer if you're [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► using raw access to the file systems [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► through the bsd layer but surely if [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► you're using cocoa or UI kit or whatever [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► you know some high-level framework that [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► you don't have to worry about this [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► because it will do all that for you on [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► the way down to the file system on the [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► way back up but apparently that's not [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► the case because i'm assuming david reid [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► is not using direct bsd api's to do file [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► i/o if you have an application that is [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► not careful with character encoding when [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► running out file names it could be that [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► previously worked fine because you would [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► say give me the file called cafe with [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► the knee with an accent over it and [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► doesn't really matter how you encoded [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► that in Unicode because the file system [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► when searching for the file with that [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► file name would take what you entered no [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► matter how you did it normal [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► that's what Unicode normalization is is [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► take a representation and encoded in [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► just one way even though you can write [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► that same word seven different ways pick [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► one way to do it there's a whole bunch [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► of different normalizations defined by [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► Unicode but apples hfs+ uses a weird [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► variant of one of them and then when you [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► compare to the list of files in the [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► directory in the file system just say [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► well everything in the directory on the [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► file system is normalized and the string [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► that I'm comparing with I just [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► normalized and so I'll compare them to [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► each other when they get a match I find [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► your file if on the other hand the file [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► system like a PFS doesn't do any [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► normalization I would assume that the [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► file names in the file system are that [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► are pre-existing from like you converted [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► to 10.2 to 10 13 those are normalized [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► according to the HFS normalization but [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► maybe when you look for that file name [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► and you send in your file it is not [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► normalized in the same way and it will [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► search the directory for a file with [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► that name and never find an exact match [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► and safe there's no file by that name [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► file not found and so that's why [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► renaming the file to English would you [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► know get it into you know a ski or [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► something that isn't in Kota belen [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► multiple different ways in the normal [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► case would let you find the file so I [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► don't know if this is an isolated case [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► or we're going to see more of this but [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► you know this this apparently is the [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► conscious choice that Apple is made out [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► of inspire a dar that they closed the [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► saying yep this is the way a PFS works [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► that's not the way HFS works this is the [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► future everyone get used to it so one [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► other thing to add and I think Gruber [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► had made mention of this on daring [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► fireball but I think it's worth noting [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► that it is absolutely bananas to me that [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► millions upon millions upon millions of [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► iOS devices have been upgraded and I [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► have not heard a single horror story of [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► somebody's data getting lost of some [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► catastrophic thing happening I'm sure it [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► did happen I'm sure there's someone [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► listening to this show that might have [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► had it happen to them but in terms of [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► the circles I typically travel in I have [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► yet to hear anyone's horror stories and [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► that is unbelievably impressive and even [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► if there are a handful of horror stories [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► there's been so few that given the [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► magnitude of the change that was made it [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► is preposterous to me that it has gone [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► as well as and you shouldn't be [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► preposterous though because on a past [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► episode like this is not to denigrate [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► the the work the files [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► the up and I would say also like the [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► upgrade team whoever does the upgrade [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► her like did they did good work but this [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► is how there's nothing's working in [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► technical circles and in programming [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► much much like Marcos favorite hobby [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► horse it doesn't really matter how hard [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► you try on something that you don't get [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► there's no points for effort staying [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► really late and trying really hard and [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► being a good person and all those things [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► don't help what makes you avoid or makes [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► you have a program that is successful [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► and that works correctly is as design is [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► like you know what what is the structure [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► of this thing so as we discuss some [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► petty shows the way this file system in [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► many modern file system works for that [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► allows you to do this conversion is that [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► it doesn't move any of the data it [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► leaves everything exactly where it is it [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► doesn't modify the file system at all it [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► just rides a new set of metadata [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► pointing to all the existing data and it [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► can do that at its leisure at any point [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► of that process fails or you know [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► something it doesn't matter it has not [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► done anything destructive to the file [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► system only after it is done a complete [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► accounting with complete new metadata [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► pointing to the other data that's [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► sitting there at rest not being moved [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► not being modified in any way does it do [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► one quick small critical section it says [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► and switcheroo use this instead of that [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► and that tiny crypt like that's design [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► as opposed to saying I'm going to [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► convert this by you know doing like a [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► you know slide puzzles with us like a [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► little open space and usually 11 little [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► tile is not there so you have to slide [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► the towels around to the constantly in [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► the open space it could convert your [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► file system piecemeal like that saying [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► I'm going to use this free space to [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► start writing a new file system i'm [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► going to copy all the data piece at a [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► time to a new thing for pretty much that [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► entire process your file system is hosed [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► if anything fails at any point you have [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► like a new pleat unbootable garbage [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► system and no matter how hard you try [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► like oh I'm a really good program i'm [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► going to make that process really [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► foolproof you can't because the design [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► is bad the reason this works flawlessly [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► the only way you could ever get [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► something like this to work as as you [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► know as successfully as it has is with a [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► design that allows you to do that so [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► this is another one advantage of modern [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► file systems that you couldn't do this [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► with the conversion from HFS to hfs+ [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► means there were utilities to do it and [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► they were terrifying right it's good [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► design up front and also on top of that [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► also a good execution of that design [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► obviously so there's no all credit where [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► credit is due but I found that in my [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► experience as a programmer for lo these [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► many years no matter how no matter how [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► much effort and what a good job you do [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► an execution if your initial design has [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► doesn't have certain properties that you [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► need there's really not much you can do [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► whereas if you have a good design and [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► you have one or two bugs it's easy to [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► shake them out and to be you know like [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► it's like when you when you design [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► something that comes out better than you [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► thought it did and it solves even more [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► problems than you thought it would and [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► has fewer bugs and you thought because [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► it's just a good design that's just a [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► matter of like mechanically making that [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► design successful it is so much less [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► painful than when you you know do your [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► best effort to implement something that [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► is ultimately a flawed designer that [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► you're asking to do something that it [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► wasn't meant to do so so kudos to the [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► file system team for coming up with the [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► fascism that has this property in its [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► design that it can do this and then also [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► by the way successfully doing it yeah [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► it's just it's really impressive and and [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► you know I've heard rumors a couple of [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► years ago right around new years about [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► how their software software reliability [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► really had gone down the crapper and [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► this is a positive step in the other [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► direction yeah I I really am very [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► impressed with the relative a PFS like [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► if you would have asked us back when it [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► was announced this past summer like what [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► devices do we think we'll have it first [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► I figure out whether we actually did [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► speculate on this or not but we would [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► have almost certainly said they would [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► have been the most careful and would [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► have taken the longest to put it on the [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► iPhone because they have the most [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► iPhones it's the most high-profile [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► device right the fact that they deployed [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► on a hundred percent of iphones with it [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► well you know hundreds of 64-bit iphones [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► with this newest update at first as like [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► the first deployment of this file system [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► is incredibly impressive very bold and [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► and the fact that as you said there were [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► really seemingly no problems with it [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► incredibly cool you know even though [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► john says it's easy ish you know I no [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► asterisk at first but you know I [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► recognize that is the design allows it [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► to happen sure I think item and that was [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► the important part of the decision not [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► you know you know I mean like with this [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► design you that's why I feel like they [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► can be emboldened to do this because if [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► they had a different design no matter [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► how careful they were it could be the [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► correct move would [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► and we can never upgrade people in place [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► the only way we roll this out is by [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► people buying new phones because we have [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► no way to safely convert that would have [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► had to be the decision if you didn't [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► have a system like this because it would [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► be crazy to say well we're going to [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► start these 50-minute upgrades and if [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► anything goes wrong that unimportant [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► people's phones are bricked and then by [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► the way they lose all their data because [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► we've just basically scrambled it into [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► soup if that was the choice you had to [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► say there is no conversion you will get [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► a PFS when you buy a new iphone that's [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► it yeah and and the fact that that they [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► were able to do this and that they just [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► did it kind of silently in this point [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► update it wasn't even like a major OS [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► update that's that's pretty cool and it [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► does make a lot of sense on a phone in [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► the sense that like as we mentioned when [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► this was first announced like on a phone [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► the entire software ecosystem around [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► phones is meant for you to ideally if as [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► long as you participate in the various [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► cloud services and backup services that [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► ideally your phone can get flushed down [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► a toilet at any moment and you can go [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► buy a new phone and log in and have [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► everything just you know restore to it [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► so in that sense it is kind of a lower [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► risk than the way most people's max were [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► set up but still deploying it to their [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► largest device family and highest [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► profile device family were like if [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► anything went wrong it would have been [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► massive headline news that was a bold [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► move and they did it they did it well so [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► kudos to them yeah the other the [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► countervailing forces of course why [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► would they even bother doing out of the [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► Mac because they care so much more about [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► the iphone so it's like how much you [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► care about the product and want to [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► invest in it versus the incredible [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► danger as you said of like if you make a [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► mistake on the iPhone it's a big deal [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► and I don't know if the tenth rebate it [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► was longer than normal but I think [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► having wider more public betas for [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► longer periods of time is another [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► another factor in making them feel okay [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► and going forward this again even with [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► the good design just to make sure that [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► you know you do have everything worked [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► out because because this doesn't move [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► any of the data like this the conversion [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► in effect does kind of an equivalent of [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► the hfs+ fsck because it has to go find [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► where all the data is again kind of like [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► when you run disk first aid and it finds [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► out like you know some some metadata is [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► wrong because there's some space on your [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► disk aletta thought was occupied but [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► it's actually free or something and it [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► updates its metadata it has to crawl [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► over every little bit of data and find [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► out where all of it is so maybe that [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► also is [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► performed as part of the conversion but [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► still if there are mistakes somewhere on [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► your on your on your disk essentially [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► nothing you have a disk in there this is [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► not going to fix them it's going to [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► preserve them and they're going still [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► going to be there so if you have some [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► sort of problem it's in theory even [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► though they're not modifying the data it [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► could you know upon rebooting or doing [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► something else because the difference in [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► the way a PFS works it could reveal [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► upright of a pre-existing age of us plus [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► problem i have no idea phones ever run [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► fsck or how they deal with that but [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► considering they have run hfs+ for so [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► long those same errors that we all find [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► when we run disk utility or max surely [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► are there on our phones as well and [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► nothing about this conversion process is [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► is going to help them along goodness [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► right anything else on a PFS i'm [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► surprised i mean this is this is your [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► crowning moment my friend this is Swift [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► I wanna know my mac i'm just a mac guy [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► and just a mac guy at heart like it's [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► cool that it's on the phone but you know [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► like I on the mac because I woke you can [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► you can feel the coolness more on Mac on [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► the mac and theory that the finder [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► implements the like instant copy thing [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► you can take like a you know 20 gig file [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► and duplicate it and see that it happens [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► in a fraction of a second your disk [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► space doesn't go down you don't get that [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► kind of experience on a phone come on oh [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► yeah alright Tom Jones rights in that's [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► not the singer right he writes then I [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► heard John extolling the virtues of [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► being able to just say to the air how [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► many teaspoons are there in a cup and [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► his Amazon echo would answer the [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► question and Thomas provided the answer [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► which is 48 while there's no doubt that [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► this is a great thing to be able to do [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► you can also do that with the iphone [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► something he would certainly know if he [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► had said what was it ahoy telephone in a [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► or Fiat had a high telephone enabled for [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► more than a couple of weeks I put the [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► center is that we talked about in last [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► show but apparently didn't emphasize it [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► enough like what is the difference [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► between you know a setting aside how [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► well the services do when they [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► understand you what is it there between [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► hasty versus having a cylinder in your [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► house that listens to you I'll did I do [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► it again say if you love my phone so no [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► problem here the big difference the big [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► difference is that cylinders do not move [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► like you [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► the men to the wall and they're in a [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► particular place and that also on top of [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► that cylinders in my experience have [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► better microphones maybe it's because [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► they're stationary maybe it's because [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► the upright babies because they just [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► have more mics at the glamazon echo has [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► many mics in it yeah and what that means [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► is the experience of talking to the air [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► two things one is going to be more [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► successful because the thing doesn't [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► move in and has more mics so it's always [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► going to be in the same proximity so you [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► can get a feel for when and how can I [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► say this and how loud do I have to speak [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► to be heard and everything because this [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► not variable and to the most important [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► thing that I would mention when I was [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► talking about talking two cylinders is [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► getting over the idea like getting [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► yourself to instinctively understand [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► that something is listening [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► understanding that you can talk to the [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► air because if you have to think about [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► it first hmm maybe I should ask this to [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► the air Oh is the thing in the air [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► nearby or listening to be like getting [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► over that so it becomes unconscious and [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► so you just expect it to be there to do [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► that you have to you have to know you [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► have to you have to not have to think [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► about is the cylinder near where is it [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► and with my phone my phone is all over [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► the house right my phone could be [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► upstairs downstairs in a different room [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► whatever the cylinders don't move and [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► that lets me eventually become [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► comfortable when I'm say in the kitchen [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► which is always a fixed distance from [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► where my cylinder is knowing that I can [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► rely on the thing being there whereas I [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► have I don't want to think about where [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► is my phone right or is my phone [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► facedown or face up or in a case or [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► buried underneath someone's hat on an [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► end table so it can't hear me or [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► anything like that and so setting aside [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► again what it does when it hears you and [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► the variability of how good these [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► devices are at this like a group of just [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► posted a thing about a car play versus [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► Android auto and which see read not come [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► out looking particularly good and not [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► because it couldn't understand people [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► because that is another fixed distance [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► for microphone thing but that you would [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► think this is a minor thing but the [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► cylinders being stationary and having [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► better Mike's is what makes the [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► experience get over the hump for me [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► anyway from being maybe I could [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► occasionally talk to my telephone if it [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► happens to be nearby versus one hundred [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► percent when I'm in my kitchen I can [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► shout out a route you know a thing to [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► set a timer and it will just be said and [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► it will hear me the first time and it [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► will always work and I don't have to [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► think of [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► or anything else i own is we are [TS]

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00:20:13 ◼   ► the concept of online backup is amazing [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► because there are so many hazards that [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► could happen to your computer that could [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► that could lose your data and even if [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► you have say a time machine drive or you [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► know a local disk clone of some sort [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► that is good you should probably have it [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► back please even says you should have [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► that as well because it's fast to [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► restore from those and they can be very [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► convenient but you also need online [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► backup because there are lots of hazards [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► that can happen to your computer that [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► would also affect any backup drive is [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► connected to it or it's in the same [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► house or apartment or business as the [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► computer so things like fires floods [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► theft malware that there are so many [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► risks that can happen and online backup [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► protects from so many of those it's such [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► great peace of mind to just have it [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► always be running it's automatic it's [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► always there backing up your files safe [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► and sound you don't have to remember to [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► do anything you don't do wait till [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► you're at home or wait to the computers [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► asleep or whatever else it's just always [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► running always keeping you safe [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► Backblaze is in my opinion I've tried [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► many of them backblaze is the best one [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► of these they can't pay me to say that [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► I'm telling you that because I believe [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► it it is my favorite one it's the one I [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► use the one I trust my family's data to [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► and all my business data to because [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► backblaze is great you have unlimited [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► space you just pay per computer five [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► bucks a month for unlimited space per [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► computer my wife has a computer I have a [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► computer so we pay him ten bucks a month [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► I think we have like six or seven [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► terabytes in there we have some obscene [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► amount of storage in there because it's [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► unlimited you just pay per computer and [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► it backed up anything connected to that [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► computer it's wonderful and they have [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► great features like a mobile apps you [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► can restore files right onto your phone [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► or tablet iOS and Android so if you like [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► want to get a file off your home [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► computer if you're traveling or whatever [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► else you can get it through Backblaze [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► they also have very easy restores you [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► can go online for restores you can also [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► have a hard drive over enter to you via [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► FedEx and if you send it back within 30 [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► days you get a refund it's they have [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► such great options their client is [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► amazing fully native code not nothing [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► with Java or anything like that [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► fully native code and it's fast and it [TS]

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00:22:14 ◼   ► tons of files like I do I love Backblaze [TS]

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00:22:32 ◼   ► thank you very much to back please [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► respond during our show ah tell me John [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► about the even naked a robotic core has [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► they do put this in your business [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► another apple patent thing and it [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► doesn't involve patent hands which is [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► the main thing I enjoy patents for um [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► apple patents everything and every time [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► someone comes out with an apple apple [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► patent is published the sites post it [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► and say look at this thing that Apple [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► patented and at least at this point most [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► sites don't say maybe this is coming [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► soon they just a look apple patents [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► everything but I think this one is it [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► goes to show all ideas are on the table [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► when it comes to patenting things this [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► is you can see it from the little [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► picture here it's like a laptop but [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► imagine that where the trackpad is some [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► someone took a router and router doubt [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► the trackpad you can't even do this on [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► modern laptops or too thin but router it [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► out the trackpad to the thickness and [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► shape of a phone and instead of the [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► trackpad dropped an iphone into there [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► and the idea is this would light be like [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► giving your iPhone a bigger screen and a [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► physical keyboard and then the iphone [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► would really become a glass trackpad for [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► the whole rest of the device so sort of [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► turning your phone into a laptop an even [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► more bizarre way than turning your ipad [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► into a laptop and in some respects this [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► doesn't strike me as entirely ridiculous [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► the reasons this is related to make a [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► robotic or it's like look we'll give you [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► the little skinny computing core and [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► whatever you want to put around it is [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► fine if you want to put a 13 inch screen [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► in a physical keyboard around it sure go [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► for it because the iphone is plenty fast [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► and the current top of my iphone i [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► believe is currently faster than the [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► macbook right in single-threaded anyway [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► probably in certain thing yeah it's ram [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► starved compared to the macbook but oh [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► it's got half i guess this does the [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► macbook have the macbook one have four [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► gigs it has eight all right well so it's [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► still ram star putting [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► this idea that eventually phones have [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► become powerful enough to do basic [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► computing tasks and you can just carry [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► the phone around with you and if you [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► ever want a laptop all you would do is [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► snap your little nacre about a car phone [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► into a lap shop top shape thing and then [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► sit down and you know do a bunch of [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► writing or bang out some email or do web [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► browsing on a larger screen and then [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► when you're done yank your phone out of [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► the little router channel and snapshot [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► the the now lifeless corpse of a laptop [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► that's probably a bad name for this [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► product corpse and then go on your way [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► with your phone I think that's actually [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► kind of neat the problem of course being [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► that I believe apples laptops are now [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► thinner than their phones at that part [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► especially the macbook one so I'm [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► probably not going to happen it's just a [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► silly patent but I like thinking about [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► stuff like this also I don't know if I [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► mean this this probably could change but [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► if you feel if you put your iPhone next [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► to your trackpad and you feel them both [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► the trackpad has a more slippery finish [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► because you're moving all over a lot [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► more often whereas the glass on a phone [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► is a little bit more of a tacky higher [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► friction finish your complaining by the [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► thumb friction again yeah and I'm not [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► entirely sure that you could make a [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► surface that would feel good on both of [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► those you make the back of the phone the [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► capacitive touch well they want to just [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► put the phone to the side of the laptop [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► like an optical drive way well yeah one [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► thing they don't answer in this diagram [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► I didn't read the patent medicine is [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► like how how the phone would make a [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► connection to the corpse she'll like [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► because if it goes straight down in you [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► can't you can't have the like does [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► something come out and go into the [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► Lightning connector a little mechanical [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► thing it doesn't really make much sense [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► than me but it could be like an NES reap [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► you slide it in first and you push it [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► down yeah then you have gaps Johnny I [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► would have to want to be like seamless [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► we're just you know well then you gotta [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► like take it out blow on it put it back [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► in the power light blinks I'll blow it [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► again don't blow it's bad for your carts [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► um did you ever see a thing with the [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► most like electrostatic cutting of metal [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► where they will take a block of metal [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► like a solid cube of metal and cut out [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► like a cylinder shape in the middle of [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► it and do it with such precision and [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► with such a small gap that if you take [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► the cylinder and put it into the hole [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► like you take them apart oh yeah yeah [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► you take the cylinder and put into the [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► hole it's [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► Olli slides down because like the [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► world's tightest fit and when it finally [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► slides down all the way you can't even [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► see the line around it I love that stuff [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► all right wow we did well on follow-up [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► look at us mostly because we moved half [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► of this room follow-up to topics but [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► still move the waffles down because now [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► we're gonna yeah it's kind of cheating [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► that's right oh well I mean I don't know [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► they I could have seen waffles go either [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► way but you wanted to go lower that's [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► fine because because technically [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► speaking is in this never-ending chain [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► of Marcos laptop orders if it is [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► eternally follow-up it just it just [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► feels like he's he's like doing a combo [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► chain and a fighting game that's going [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► on Wayde point yeah anyone wanted to the [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► combo breaker noise that maybe regret [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► anyway certain point you do a combo [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► breaker that's what we're doing here mar [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► no he's in the topic area talking about [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► his delicious delicious waffles indeed [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► so Marco tell us about those waffles of [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► years all right yes the last episode I [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► described my waffling where I finally [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► decided that I didn't I really didn't [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► like the 15 inch touch bar macbook pro [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► and I was ordering a 13-inch macbook [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► escape to replace it which fills our [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► you're not familiar with my stupid names [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► for things is the low-end macbook pro [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► 13-inch that does not have the touch bar [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► that has the real Hardware escape button [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► among other things don't apologize for [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► your names they're not stupid they're [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► better than apples names yeah that's [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► right it's true the name of this Pro is [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► it the reason I I came up with these [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► stupid names is because apples names [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► aren't useful like when they first [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► introduced the 12-inch MacBook and they [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► said this is the macbooks like well okay [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► there was already something called [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► macbook that everyone knew and [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► everything else is called macbook pro [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► and people kind of use the word macbook [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► to describe the whole lineup and yeah so [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► now they have this 13-inch MacBook Pro [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► which is quite different from the other [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► computer name 13-inch macbook pro so [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► anyway so I now have it I got it a few [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► days ago I want to reserve final [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► judgement for when I've had a chance to [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► travel with it and it's fortunately [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► happening in like a week because I [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► haven't really tried pushing it yet like [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► I haven't tried travel with it yet and I [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► haven't really pushed its hardware yet [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► although the photo analysis d is doing [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► its job for who knows the next month I [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► have no idea when I will complete [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► because there's no progress meter know [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► deposit or suspend it or tell what to do [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► or tell to please not analyze all the [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► photos right now you know is real i sit [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► oh you know I didn't think well I think [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► it's already running in like a fairly [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► low priority environment I know what the [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► lowest number is anyone know a little [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► bit will never complete is better you [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► want you ready to do the you know the [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► race to sleep thing let it hurry up and [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► finish yeah so at some point that will [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► calm down probably hopefully before i [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► leave for my trip but anyway from just [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► the experience of using it for a few [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► days from setting up on my software on [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► it and we'll get to one of the details [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► that in a little bit i think but just [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► from the experience of like setting it [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► up and using it that way for a while and [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► and doing a few nights of kind of casual [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► stuff on it like browsing the web and [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► getting you know light work done like [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► email and stuff so far i love it i [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► absolutely love it and i never felt that [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► way about the 15-inch like the 15-inch I [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► love the 15-inch retina and that when I [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► came out in 2012 I immediately loved it [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► that that machine was awesome for its [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► time still today is pretty awesome but [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► when when the 15 touch bar when I first [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► got it I never loved it I was I was just [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► kind of thrown by all the different [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► compromises and kind of sideways and [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► backwards steps from the previous one [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► this is basically a macbook air but a [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► modern-day interpretation of it in many [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► ways you know it's the same weight I [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► mean so is the other 13 inch with touch [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► bar same way a little bit smaller modern [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► you know modern case design same Intel [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► processor family which has those awesome [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► like 16 or 15 watt ish processors which [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► I've said before on this show are an [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► amazing balance of speed versus [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► portability like there it's a really [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► nice sweet spot and I'm really glad [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► they're they're using these still [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► because those are previous previously [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► only using the macbook air and the low [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► end mac mini and i think even the [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► cheapest 20 22 HR 24-inch imac that [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► education buyers by anyway so far i [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► absolutely love it the keyboard is the [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► same as all the new keyboards you know i [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► don't love the low key [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► travel I don't love how closely spaced [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► all the keys are which makes me make a [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► few more mistakes than I usually do the [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► force touch trackpad is among force [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► touch trackpads i have used i think it's [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► probably the best one I still don't love [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► for stocks track pads but this is the [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► best one I've used thermally I think [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► it's really nicely balanced it stays [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► very cool and you hardly ever hear the [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► fan no matter how hard it's working when [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► it totally maxed out you will hear the [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► fan but even then it's pretty quiet it [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► doesn't get very hot to the touch this [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► is this is one thing I notice with all [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► the new macbook pros compare when you [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► compared to the previous generation you [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► know the the the retina generation with [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► the you know has well and when you [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► compare this the new skylake ones to [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► those one thing you notice immediately [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► I'm actually confirm this with Intel's [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► power gadget thing or power which [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► whatever they call it cpus even when [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► they're under load these new skylake [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► processors don't usually hit their [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► maximum thermal limits whereas the old [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► ones would kind of like hit that like 45 [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► watt or whatever they would like hit [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► that wall and just kind of stay there [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► the skylight kind of peeks at it here [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► and there but it doesn't really stay at [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► that maximum wattage for whatever reason [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► and so when you're doing intensive [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► things these new macbook pros are cooler [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► to the touch and quieter than the [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► previous generation and this one is no [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► exception of that it's very cool very [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► quiet I that to me is very very nice one [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► other major advantage to it compared to [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► the 15 is that because it doesn't have [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► that discrete GPU I don't have to like [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► babysit whether it's using that GPU by [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► any programs or not when I'm trying to [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► maximize battery life because that's the [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► thing with the 15 is like when the 15 is [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► using that discrete GPU your battery [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► life gets slaughtered so you kind of if [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► you're like a power user trying to like [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► make sure you get the most battery life [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► out of it you kind of have to always be [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► monitoring with some kind of utility or [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► something like whether the whether the [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► discrete GPUs on or not and you kind of [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► have to babysit it and and maybe like [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► make different app decisions like oh my [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► guess guess I can't run chrome right now [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► I don't have enough power or whatever [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► you know whatever the case may be this [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► one by not having a discrete GPU it kind [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► of keeps like the the difference between [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► like the the high thermal envelope and [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► the low thermal envelope is a smaller [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► range so you can you can [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► you can worry less about battery life [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► with this so far now again I might model [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► for that decision once I have a chance [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► to travel with it but so far this is [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► awesome now also about the touch bar and [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► touch ID so I had the touch bar touch ID [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► for a little while for minam five months [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► or whatever it's been I now don't have [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► them anymore I don't miss the touch bar [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► at all the very first time I wanted to [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► adjust brightness and I had to like hit [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► a button a few times instead of sliding [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► a thing I thought oh I kind of missed [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► the slider thing then I immediately [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► stopped I amelie forgot about it don't [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► miss the tux bar at all touch ID I I [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► thought I would miss a lot in practice I [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► do miss touch ID but I don't miss it as [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► much as I thought I would because in [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► practice touch ID on on the 15 Inchon [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► and the 13 touch bar is not always there [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► when you want it and this is probably [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► going to improve over time I hope but [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► there's a lot of system dialogues and [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► things where they ask where you need to [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► give it your password that touch idea is [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► is offered for maybe a third of them [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► that I've seen and not all of them and [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► so you actually aren't using it all the [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► time so I found that it is nice when [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► it's offered to you but that it because [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► it's offered so in consistently and [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► sometimes there's a few bugs we are in [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► touch with you especially at the login [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► screen when you're waking it up from [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► sleep I find overall that I actually [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► don't miss it as much as I expected I [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► would because in practice while it [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► sounds like it's going to be amazing [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► once you have it in practice you realize [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► yeah it's not quite there yet so this is [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► another thing we're like along with the [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► touch bar I think this would probably be [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► good in a few years or at least better [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► in a few years but for this current [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► laptop generation if you choose not to [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► get the touch bar I don't think you're [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► missing that much because touch ID is [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► still not all the way there yet and the [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► touch bar itself I i think is still a [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► big question mark about whether it's [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► really a net win or not and for me for [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► my usage personally at my preferences [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► your mileage may vary but for my [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► usage in preferences I'm very happy [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► without it I like having my Hardware [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► Escape key back I like having all the [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► buttons up top that are just buttons and [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► they just work all the time I love not [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► not accidentally brushing it when I'm [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► moving my hands around and accidentally [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► like turning the brightness way up or [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► turn the speaker waiting or something [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► like it is nice too it's also just nice [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► to have a kind of I know this is weird [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► but it's kind of like a simpler look [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► like the touch bari is actually kind of [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► distracting and it looks kind of [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► gimmicky and so to have a nice simpler [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► like more pure look if that makes sense [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► is a little bit more I don't know [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► peaceful it's hard it's hard to really [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► quantify these feelings but overall I'm [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► actually quite happy not having a touch [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► bar and this machine in general I'm [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► extremely happy with the only things i [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► can say that that are downsides to it [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► are what i mentioned last week which is [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► the price is really not a great value [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► for what you're getting although it i [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► guess you know how much is your [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► happiness worth but you know like if you [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► look at like specs but by the specs but [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► and the power and when you compare it to [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► the previous generation of macbook air [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► which is still for sale because apple [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► it's not a great value it is a lot more [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► expensive than it was before and the [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► configuration i got which is basically [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► everything maxed out except for the i [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► got 5 12 months of a terabyte is [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► something like twenty two hundred [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► dollars and for something that is not a [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► 15-inch that's a pretty high price that [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► being said i'm happier with it that my [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► 15 inch so you know what does that say [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► the other thing is i remember when these [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► first came out we talked briefly in the [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► show there was there was a guy i forget [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► his name he's a youtuber that everyone [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► else knows except us because we're not [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► cool were too old to watch youtube I [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► guess but there was a youtuber who did a [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► bunch of tests we're plugging in certain [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► things to the USB seaports would make [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► the Wi-Fi cut out on the new macbook [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► pros and I think that was this model [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► that he was testing because I think that [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► was the only one was available at that [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► time I think I have a Wi-Fi problem in [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► that sometimes like as I was like [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► installing lots of stuff and like you [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► know downloading lots of stuff sometimes [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► all the internet connections would [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► just stop working and until until I [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► turned off the Wi-Fi and turned it back [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► on again that and that happened like [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► three times over a few days so I think I [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► have a problem and I and I hope it [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► doesn't apply to all of them and I'm not [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► sure that's enough of a problem to [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► actually like get this repair to replace [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► because I don't want to mess with that [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► everything else about it is perfect I [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► love everything else about it actually I [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► don't love the keyboard but relative [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► relative to what we have today you know [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► relative to our choices today this is [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► great but I'm a little concerned about [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► that Wi-Fi thing but otherwise if that [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► doesn't end up being a problem in [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► practice most of the time I would just [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► tolerate it because otherwise this [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► computer is awesome you know the 15-inch [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► is great if you're doing you know Casey [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► what you do which is you have like a [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► work a work laptop that you take to and [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► from work or that is like your primary [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► computer or your only computer if that's [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► your situation I think it does make [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► sense for a lot of people to use the [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► 15-inch because it is the most computer [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► that you can get for a little over 2,000 [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► bucks it is a great you know power [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► system and its really nice in a lot of [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► ways and I used one for years and and I [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► I that's there's a reason why I have [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► waffled over time between the 13 inch [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► and 15 inch size classes because they're [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► both great but for me right now as a [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► secondary computer that i use when [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► traveling right now i'm really happy [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► with this 13 inch and you know you could [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► point this clip and laugh in four months [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► or six months when i change my mind and [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► say I got to go back to the 15-inch this [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► is not enough power or screen face [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► whatever that's being generous it's [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► gonna be four weeks well took for like [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► five months on this one but anyway so [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► you know I might change my mind later I [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► probably will that's just what i do i [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► guess a vertex podcasters like they'll [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► like try android phones for a month i do [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► this i guess this is my thing but right [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► now i'm extremely happy with this [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► 13-inch macbook pro with no good name [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► and yeah that's my review so far ask me [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► again after i travel with it and try to [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► actually do work on it but so far i'm [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► very happy with it so that why if I [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► think has me worried me too I don't like [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► especially if I can't attribute a reason [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► do you have 10 12 for on it yeah a 10-12 [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► for from from minute one it didn't come [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► with it but I upgrade that was the first [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► thing I did when I got it and when when [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► the wife I dropped it was not plugged [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► into anything yeah so that is concerning [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► the fact that this computer has now been [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► out for six months and that is still [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► happening suggests to me that this is a [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► parent flaw with the design of this [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► model that they're not going to fix [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► until the next model comes out if you [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► think it's a hardware thing then [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► probably yeah but we will see I don't [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► like this kind of problems I don't like [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► them at all well that's why you don't [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► buy any computers ever that's very true [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► my computer has no Wi-Fi problems [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► because it doesn't have Wi-Fi nailed it [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► it's as it so happens the the 2008 Mac [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► Pro that you have that I used to have is [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► probably the computer i have had that [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► had the fewest problems ever of any [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► computer i've ever had so you happen to [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► lock out with that one but i think [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► anything else you buy are gonna be [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► disappointed say I mean so far the [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► fingers crossed 5k imac is doing its [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► thing without complaint oh my image [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► retention is getting really bad really [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► fast it's good bet every time I do [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► anything great way if i open up logic or [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► if I view daring fireball I just see the [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► immense shadows of everything that i was [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► viewing before right me playing zelda [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► seeing those heart shadows yeah it's [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► it's bad you know what i did marco to [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► help fix that I'm really not trying to [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► be snarky is you know that what is it [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► Ariel screensaver that we've all I think [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► mentioned at some point the ones the [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► appletv one yeah yeah exactly Ariel is [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► the name of the screensaver what I've [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► done is I've put that on my 5k which [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► I've occasionally seen some image [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► retention that it's made me very unhappy [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► I've put I've set my mac to run that [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► screen saver for like an hour or two [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► after i'm done with the computer so that [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► you have something that is constantly [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► moving and kind of getting me back to a [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► known good state for all I know this is [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► a darn placebo but as far as I can tell [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► it has made my image retention way way [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► way better want to try getting a scream [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► with some technology that doesn't suffer [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► from image retention what you said to me [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► last time I complained about my plasma [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► as you both complain about your lcds [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► with image a good thing oh that doesn't [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► have these problems oh wait it does [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► I mean in case like that year that would [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► actually help my problem because my [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► problem is not like I walked away for 10 [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► minutes it's like as I'm using it like I [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► happen to have this one window open for [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► an hour as I was working in it and that [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► was like it's getting in you know an [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► image trenchant it's the kind of thing [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► we're like you know sometimes you have [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► it like right at the beginning but [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► usually like you know when the things [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► brand new it doesn't have it and then if [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► you're going to give it to me a problem [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► like you won't notice it for a while and [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► then all of a sudden they'll start being [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► noticeable and then it gets it gets [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► worse usually at an accelerating rate [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► after that point someone someone who [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► knows more about the chemistry and [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► electronics of lcds could probably tell [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► us why this is a factor in these modern [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► LG panels or whatever it is we're using [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► and why for example I'm staring at the [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► Apple 23 inch cinema display an aluminum [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► case with white sides that has no image [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► retention ever and it's like the lowly [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► the oldest thing ever like there must is [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► again it's not just like Oh LCD versus [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► plasma vs whatever it's the particular [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► screens and so maybe there's been [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► something about modern screens in the [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► way they're constructed and formulated [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► or maybe just buy a particular [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► manufacturers that makes them so much [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► more susceptible to image retention [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► under casual circumstances like again [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► we've all seen like they the check-in [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► kiosks at the airport that it is super [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► burned in so like at a certain point if [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► you show the same image on the screen 24 [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► hours a day seven days a week except for [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► brief periods of activity of course it's [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► going to happen but you're just using [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► your 5k imac it's pretty light usage [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► compared to an airport terminal you just [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► say like I have daring fireball open for [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► a second then I click to another window [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► to go in front of it and I see the [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► little star embedded in the window or [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► vice versa seeing no it's the opposite [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► it's like when you have a bunch of black [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► and white windows up and then you load [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► something great like daring fireball or [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► logic then you see shadows of every of [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► all those black and white borders that [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► were previously there yeah so and it's [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► it's sticking around long or NASA to [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► before to like I an entire podcast today [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► like I edited under the radar today [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► which this middle he doesn't take me [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► that long take like 10 minutes to edit [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► but like that entire ten-minute I had a [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► shadow of the window behind it yeah not [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► not going away that's the other thing by [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► the by like my plasma obviously it's [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► worse on my plasma because when it does [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► get there you're going to be waiting [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► like a year for it to be an entirely [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► gone whereas image retention like my [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► ipad3 had pretty bad image [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► too but as bad as it was and you could [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► see it it was like three to five minutes [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► and it would be a hundred percent gone [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► and so that's prepara likes me feel like [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► oh it's an annoyance but but it's not [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► like I have to wait a year for this to [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► go away but anyway they didn't Apple do [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► a recall replace for Aaron's retention I [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► think it was on the original retina [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► 15-inch macbook pro right there were [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► certain i think it was certain ones but [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► mine wasn't even part of that like I had [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► that original one it did have it much [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► attention and I eventually got it fixed [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► but it took a long time yeah one thing [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► before before I forget on the macbook [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► escape screen it is a beautiful screen I [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► absolutely love it and this is actually [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► so you know as I'm setting everything up [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► new one of the things I did you know I [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► usually pick pick a background that's [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► some photo i took recently that i like [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► and the photo i picked for this one [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► includes my son wearing a like really [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► bright saturated orange jacket and i [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► think this is the the the p3 color gamut [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► helped me out here because this this [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► very saturated orange color just looks [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► incredible on the screen it's this is [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► the first screen I've ever seen that [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► makes my first gen 5k I max screen look [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► less good by comparison every other [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► previous retina laptop looked worse to [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► me this one looks awesome now that being [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► said the same thing probably applies to [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► the 15-inch I'd use a different picture [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► for the wallpaper on that one so the [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► same thing probably applies to the new [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► 15 but just to point out even on this [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► one which is basically the new macbook [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► air the previous macbook air used a crap [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► screen to save costs and space and [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► whatever else the macbook escaped today [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► is amazing it is an awesome screen and [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► to have that on what is you know the [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► low-end model even though it's still not [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► a good value but it is in the lineup it [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► is the low end model to have that is [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► really really nice and I'm extremely [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► happy I can't I can't overstate how [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► happy I am right now with this purchase [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► even other Wi-Fi doesn't always work [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► apparently so as someone who is [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► considering getting a macbook one which [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► as far as i know is a macbook adorable [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► right somebody put in the Shoney's [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► macbook [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► versatile dress that after you okay you [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► will get you freaking me out here [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► because I always use them [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► interchangeably and I got nervous that I [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► had misunderstood so anyway so as [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► someone who's considering a macbook [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► adorable / macbook one what remind me [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► again what it was that brought you to [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► this instead of a macbook one obviously [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► power but what else was it it was when I [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► when I put them both side by side in the [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► apple store on the table and I played [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► with them for a while I went on a [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► weekday were nobody was there but when I [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► when I had some time with both side by [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► side and also thinking back to when I [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► did briefly by a 12-inch MacBook one [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► basically the the main difference to me [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► is just the way they feel the ergonomics [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► of using them that the the 12 inch size [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► is really small and in certain ways that [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► actually makes it less comfortable for [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► me at least and again your mileage may [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► vary but for me the general operation of [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► it like where to place your hands [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► opening and closing it all these things [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► like it was pleasant and at how small [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► and light it was but when you actually [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► when it came time to act like you know [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► put it down open it up use it type on it [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► put it in your lap I found the 13 inch [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► size worked better for me and was more [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► comfortable I also found a dramatic [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► difference in the trackpad click it was [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► that's a huge if you put a side-by-side [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► do it in a store put them side-by-side [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► the trackpad difference is extremely [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► noticeable and there is still a keyboard [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► difference as well I don't know how long [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► the keyboard difference will be there [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► I'm assuming that the next macbook 12 [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► inch update will will bring the keyboard [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► parity there but right now there's still [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► a keyboard difference and and it's not a [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► massive difference but the 13-inch is [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► just better and so in in in all those [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► ways you know the the physical [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► ergonomics 13-inch is you know fifty [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► percent heavier like it is noticeable [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► how much heavier it is then the 12 inch [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► but it's still a really small it's it's [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► a 13-inch MacBook Air you know in weight [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► it's still a really thin and light [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► computer it is still really compact it [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► it does perform better but I don't think [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► the performance difference is that big [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► it does have two USB seaports instead of [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► one [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► that's still not a lot but two is better [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► than one that and that there is there [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► going to be situations in which I'm [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► gonna be really happy I have that second [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► port and I and that having the one would [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► have been a pain I do think the screen [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► is higher quality I have not lived up to [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► see if anything backs us up or if this [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► is just placebo but I think the screen [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► is higher quality than 13 the end in [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► various like size classes of things we [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► use you can look at the ipad line for [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► instance and the reaction for most [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► people myself included is that when we [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► picked up that 12-inch 12-point ipad pro [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► when you're using it as a laptop that's [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► cool but when you when you have to like [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► pick it up and hold your hand as an ipad [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► that's a little bit too big for most [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► people similarly when you pick up the [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► ipad mini that's fine for a lot of [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► people but but for a lot of people [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► that's like you know this is a little [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► small i like something a little bigger [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► and it turns out that 9.7 is a really [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► good size for a device that you use and [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► hold and carry like an ipad similarly [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► with phones you see like a lot of people [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► like they're really big ones but most [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► people stick with the medium sized ones [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► and the small ones are still very well [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► liked and so it seems like around the [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► size of the 4.7 inch iphone is probably [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► like the ideal size right now for phones [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► for most people and i think if you can [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► look at laptops and you see kind of a [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► similar thing is like all these things [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► all these perceptions of what's an ideal [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► size are general ated to like how big [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► are average people and how we know how [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► do you hold things how what do you carry [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► how do you carry it how do your hand how [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► are your hands shaped and where do they [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► go right and i think in the world of [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► laptops we had bigger ones in the past [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► we had like a 17 action that was that [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► was a massive aircraft carrier it was [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► awesome when you want when you were [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► using that giant screen but it was [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► really unwieldy to carry around and use [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► so that was kind of deemed by the market [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► and eventually by Apple you know what [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► that's that's too big and the 15 is now [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► the high-end and I think in the world of [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► laptops i would say 13-inch is really [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► the sweet spot of like this is the best [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► size for most people and I think sales [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► back that up because in the last you [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► know however many years then [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► that the macbook air has been a thing I [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► would guess the 13-inch macbook air was [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► apples number one selling computer for a [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► very long time it might still be because [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► education buys a ton of them third the [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► 13-inch macbook air is an amazing [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► balance of size portability cost even [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► but you know just talking about physical [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► stuff only for a minute that's it's it's [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► a really great balance and this is just [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► the sequel to that right the the macbook [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► 1 / adorable / 12 inch it is smaller and [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► lighter and if if your number one goal [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► is to be able to carry this with as [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► little weight as possible or like [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► underscores people to like actually wear [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► one in your jacket which is amazing like [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► if if your number one goal is get it as [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► small as possible then yeah go for that [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► one but if instead you're looking for [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► more of like a an all-arounder the best [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► laptop in general for most people most [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► of the time or the one that's most [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► comfortable to use most of the time I [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► would say the 13 inches the better [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► balance of that I would also say that [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► the screen size on a 13-inch is great [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► and that I'm I don't want a smaller [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► screen in this hmm fair enough all right [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► well I appreciate it I still feel like I [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► want me a macbook adorable but [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► everything you just said makes perfect [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► sense them it's just I think because I [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► want to basically have a ipad that you [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► can actually do things on hi Mike that's [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► why I want the adorable oh you're going [TS]

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00:54:08 ◼   ► with whoever put in the show notes [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► macbook 1 vs macbook adorable it touched [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► on it before I just wanted to bring it [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► back around some at this is these are [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► two names for the 12-inch MacBook that [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► Apple just calls Mac book that has one [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► USBC port / power plug on the side and [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► another name that it is known by again [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► big the reason people make up these [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► names is not just to be cute but also [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► because we need something to distinguish [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► it because macbook is not you know [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► unique enough is macbook adorable that's [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► a name invented by another podcast where [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► they talk about sneakers and plane [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► crashes as far as I'm not a tech podcast [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► actually by the way I'm pretty sure that [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► was on cortex not hello Internet so that [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► was not the sneakers in plane crash [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► podcast that was the productivity email [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► software podcast that's a stretch email [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► i'll give you email yeah i'm pretty sure [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► she should be great event of that name [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► for for it on cortex right at macbook [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► juan marco invented right on the show [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► yeah all right so and our chat room and [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► i both collaborated on macbook escape [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► yes macbook one vs macbook adorable we [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► are using them both interchangeably on [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► the show and i was thinking about it [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► about which day if we should settle on a [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► name or what's going to happen there and [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► unfortunately i think [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► I think / hope that macbook adorable is [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► going to have more longevity not [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► necessarily because it's a better name [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► but because as soon as they add a second [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► USBC port to the 12 inch macbook macbook [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► one doesn't have doesn't doesn't make [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► sense anymore in fact it becomes [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► undistinguished because we would meet [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► we're going to have to call it macbook [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► two or something and then that's kind of [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► confusing but whereas adorable if it's [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► still very small it is still adorable [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► macbook adorable last until they come up [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► with a new macbook that is entirely [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► different form factors as thin as a [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► sheet of paper and then it probably [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► comes up with a new name so it seems to [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► me that in the long run macbook adorable [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► will stand triumphant over the again the [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► corpse of that uh of that laptop line [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► when that day comes well i mean and also [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► like it I've even stopped saying that [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► book one most of the time because NAT [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► like it the reason I started saying that [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► name in the first place was similar to [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► my reason now for having for saying [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► macbook escape for this 13-inch because [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► like apples name for it was vague and [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► ambiguous when you would use in [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► conversation and that computer has now [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► been out for over two years so I feel [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► like now we can just say MacBook and [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► most of the time that that will now [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► suffice people will usually know what [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► what we mean now and if not I've been [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► saying 12-inch MacBook which really [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► clarifies it and so I think the need for [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► alternative names for that product has [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► now mostly or entirely past because it's [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► just been long enough the macbook escape [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► I think still needs clever names like [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► that but that will probably expire in [TS]