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211: Hardware Mind Virus

 

00:00:00   zeon gold that's really the name of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/0">TS</a>]

00:00:01   thing it's pretty I'm pro gold yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1">TS</a>]

00:00:04   extreme special edition I mean if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4">TS</a>]

00:00:07   they're relieved since Kyle AKP I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7">TS</a>]

00:00:08   care what they call it but that's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/8">TS</a>]

00:00:10   a stupid name 18 cars Zeon gold are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/10">TS</a>]

00:00:15   gonna make a gold mac pro that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/15">TS</a>]

00:00:17   amazing there could even be an addition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/17">TS</a>]

00:00:20   that's solid gold John if the next Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/20">TS</a>]

00:00:25   Pro is only available in rose gold at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/25">TS</a>]

00:00:27   like actual rose gold not like pink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/27">TS</a>]

00:00:30   aluminum the actual rose gold that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/30">TS</a>]

00:00:32   probably raise the price by $15,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/32">TS</a>]

00:00:34   would you buy that mac pro nope can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/34">TS</a>]

00:00:37   swing it what if I had a gaming video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/37">TS</a>]

00:00:39   card in it yeah still no that's cold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/39">TS</a>]

00:00:43   Marco no $15,000 computers sorry but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/43">TS</a>]

00:00:46   well I mean at the rate that you replace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/46">TS</a>]

00:00:48   them that actually isn't that ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/48">TS</a>]

00:00:50   like how many cars have you had during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/50">TS</a>]

00:00:53   the time you've had this mac pro well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/53">TS</a>]

00:00:56   got a lot more value out of the cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/56">TS</a>]

00:00:57   right so uh we should start with follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/57">TS</a>]

00:01:01   up as we always do Tyler la cloak lock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/61">TS</a>]

00:01:05   has some a PFS boot experiments that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/65">TS</a>]

00:01:08   has performed would you like to tell us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/68">TS</a>]

00:01:10   about that mr. filesystems he was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/70">TS</a>]

00:01:12   person who last week tweeted about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/72">TS</a>]

00:01:17   booting a mac off of a PFS and we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/77">TS</a>]

00:01:20   about it and follow up and one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/80">TS</a>]

00:01:23   points that I made during that segment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/83">TS</a>]

00:01:25   was that he had posted a screenshot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/85">TS</a>]

00:01:27   the gate info window in the finder of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/87">TS</a>]

00:01:29   the volume that he booted from and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/89">TS</a>]

00:01:30   at a PFS case insensitive and what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/90">TS</a>]

00:01:33   thought that meant was that the a BFS on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/93">TS</a>]

00:01:37   his volume that he booted off was case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/97">TS</a>]

00:01:39   insensitive and therefore all the weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/99">TS</a>]

00:01:41   problems that we discussed about trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/101">TS</a>]

00:01:43   to run Mac OS and its application like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/103">TS</a>]

00:01:45   sense of how systems wouldn't apply I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/105">TS</a>]

00:01:47   should have looked a little bit farther [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/107">TS</a>]

00:01:48   down his tweet timeline because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/108">TS</a>]

00:01:50   apparently he subsequently tweeted that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/110">TS</a>]

00:01:52   finder and other utilities are confused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/112">TS</a>]

00:01:55   about whether the volume is case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/115">TS</a>]

00:01:56   insensitive or not rest assured it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/116">TS</a>]

00:01:58   case sensitive so it's kind of weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/118">TS</a>]

00:02:01   that the get info window says case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/121">TS</a>]

00:02:03   insensitive but he tell me no no there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/123">TS</a>]

00:02:06   a pas all you ms case sensitive so again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/126">TS</a>]

00:02:08   he's doing weird stuff on and unreleased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/128">TS</a>]

00:02:12   you know betta everything so still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/132">TS</a>]

00:02:14   doesn't tell us what the final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/134">TS</a>]

00:02:15   incarnation of this is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/135">TS</a>]

00:02:17   whether it's at a point release of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/137">TS</a>]

00:02:18   Sierra or whether to the next major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/138">TS</a>]

00:02:19   version of Mac OS but that's super weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/139">TS</a>]

00:02:22   that the finer thinks is case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/142">TS</a>]

00:02:23   insensitive but knows that it's a PFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/143">TS</a>]

00:02:25   but that the actual volume is case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/145">TS</a>]

00:02:29   sensitive so oh well whew riveting it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/149">TS</a>]

00:02:33   is that this is this will be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/153">TS</a>]

00:02:35   important even though it seems esoteric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/155">TS</a>]

00:02:37   as the follow-up we had a couple well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/157">TS</a>]

00:02:39   last week or whatever but your programs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/159">TS</a>]

00:02:41   won't work if its case sensitive like or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/161">TS</a>]

00:02:43   they won't work for some period of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/163">TS</a>]

00:02:44   total developers update them it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/164">TS</a>]

00:02:46   make you sad so better hope they sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/166">TS</a>]

00:02:49   this out fair enough then we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/169">TS</a>]

00:02:52   little bit of talk about the various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/172">TS</a>]

00:02:54   cesspools in Silicon Valley is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/174">TS</a>]

00:02:56   redundant anyway um Tesla apparently is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/176">TS</a>]

00:02:59   having some problems with harassment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/179">TS</a>]

00:03:01   surprise surprise there's an article in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/181">TS</a>]

00:03:04   The Guardian which i haven't had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/184">TS</a>]

00:03:05   chance to read what i intend to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/185">TS</a>]

00:03:06   tomorrow female engineers sues Tesla [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/186">TS</a>]

00:03:09   describing a culture of quote pervasive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/189">TS</a>]

00:03:11   harassment quote you don't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/191">TS</a>]

00:03:13   technology and car company that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/193">TS</a>]

00:03:15   surprising yeah I put that in there just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/195">TS</a>]

00:03:18   because the not so much about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/198">TS</a>]

00:03:20   specific story which this is actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/200">TS</a>]

00:03:22   interesting in that it's a current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/202">TS</a>]

00:03:23   employee suing the company so that's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/203">TS</a>]

00:03:25   know another twist in this but just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/205">TS</a>]

00:03:27   reinforce the idea that we touched on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/207">TS</a>]

00:03:30   last week about uber that although overs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/210">TS</a>]

00:03:32   is surely an extremely egregious example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/212">TS</a>]

00:03:35   that this problem is not isolated to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/215">TS</a>]

00:03:37   single company to a single person to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/217">TS</a>]

00:03:39   single bad animal I think it's not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/219">TS</a>]

00:03:41   isolated to a single industry although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/221">TS</a>]

00:03:43   you know in the circles are traveling we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/223">TS</a>]

00:03:45   tend to see tech things it is everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/225">TS</a>]

00:03:46   and when one of these stories comes up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/226">TS</a>]

00:03:48   what it does is it makes the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/228">TS</a>]

00:03:51   stories come to the surface you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/231">TS</a>]

00:03:52   because it's you know a media trend or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/232">TS</a>]

00:03:56   people feel more emboldened to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/236">TS</a>]

00:03:57   forward or people want to report on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/237">TS</a>]

00:03:59   more and they come in cycles but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/239">TS</a>]

00:04:02   it's everywhere and if you want to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/242">TS</a>]

00:04:03   another example there you go yep and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/243">TS</a>]

00:04:06   then we have an entry in the hidden the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/246">TS</a>]

00:04:09   show notes to her or not to burr and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/249">TS</a>]

00:04:12   presume that this is because a handful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/252">TS</a>]

00:04:14   of listeners are very very astute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/254">TS</a>]

00:04:15   listeners called out the fact that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/255">TS</a>]

00:04:18   of us very well may have been me had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/258">TS</a>]

00:04:20   talked about with regard to WWDC flying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/260">TS</a>]

00:04:24   into like San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/264">TS</a>]

00:04:25   rather than San Jose and you know maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/265">TS</a>]

00:04:29   we could just catch an uber to get down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/269">TS</a>]

00:04:30   to San Jose after flying into San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/270">TS</a>]

00:04:32   Francisco and and you know a few people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/272">TS</a>]

00:04:34   had said hey that seems kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/274">TS</a>]

00:04:36   disingenuous after you spent you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/276">TS</a>]

00:04:38   fair bit of time complaining and railing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/278">TS</a>]

00:04:42   against uber to then immediately say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/282">TS</a>]

00:04:44   yeah I'll totally take an uber after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/284">TS</a>]

00:04:45   that so it's actually me I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/285">TS</a>]

00:04:48   pretty sure was me too said that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/288">TS</a>]

00:04:49   Marco and he used it as a verb he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/289">TS</a>]

00:04:51   like uber up to over down to San Jose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/291">TS</a>]

00:04:53   yeah and the reason why is because when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/293">TS</a>]

00:04:56   were we recorded last week we didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/296">TS</a>]

00:04:59   have time for the uber topic during the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/299">TS</a>]

00:05:01   main show so we did it in the after show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/301">TS</a>]

00:05:02   during the Edit I decided it was too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/302">TS</a>]

00:05:05   important to have as an after show topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/305">TS</a>]

00:05:07   so i moved it forward in the show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/307">TS</a>]

00:05:09   and kind of promoted it like in the Edit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/309">TS</a>]

00:05:11   to a regular main core show topics I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/311">TS</a>]

00:05:14   thought it was important enough then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/314">TS</a>]

00:05:16   know I probably wouldn't have said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/316">TS</a>]

00:05:17   after having a discussion and I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/317">TS</a>]

00:05:19   kind of said without even thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/319">TS</a>]

00:05:20   it you know like at the time as soon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/320">TS</a>]

00:05:23   I said it I regretted saying it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/323">TS</a>]

00:05:25   because I that is exactly the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/325">TS</a>]

00:05:27   thing that I'm usually conscious of and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/327">TS</a>]

00:05:29   it's the kind of thing where like yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/329">TS</a>]

00:05:31   kinda don't want to take uber anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/331">TS</a>]

00:05:33   after all how horrible they are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/333">TS</a>]

00:05:35   anyway I I personally have since deleted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/335">TS</a>]

00:05:37   uber off my phone there were plenty of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/337">TS</a>]

00:05:40   previous reasons to do it but this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/340">TS</a>]

00:05:41   the big one to do it do it like now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/341">TS</a>]

00:05:44   I figure you know I don't actually use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/344">TS</a>]

00:05:46   it that often because in my in my home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/346">TS</a>]

00:05:49   city I don't need it but when I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/349">TS</a>]

00:05:52   traveling I would use it often but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/352">TS</a>]

00:05:54   think i'm going to install lift now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/354">TS</a>]

00:05:56   try that instead because yeah it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/356">TS</a>]

00:05:58   not worth supporting that if we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/358">TS</a>]

00:06:00   have to yep it's kind of like some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/360">TS</a>]

00:06:03   people who tweeted at us about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/363">TS</a>]

00:06:04   point out like the Kleenex situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/364">TS</a>]

00:06:05   where because uber was first and is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/365">TS</a>]

00:06:08   famous and so prominent that you know 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/368">TS</a>]

00:06:11   birotte is like even though you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/371">TS</a>]

00:06:14   saying the word uber which is the name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/374">TS</a>]

00:06:15   of a company it's just the generic term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/375">TS</a>]

00:06:17   for a thing that makes a car come and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/377">TS</a>]

00:06:20   get you because you tap stuff on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/380">TS</a>]

00:06:21   phone right yeah and so you could Boober [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/381">TS</a>]

00:06:24   for one place yellow with lift or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/384">TS</a>]

00:06:26   whatever but anyway either way the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/386">TS</a>]

00:06:27   larger question is given all this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/387">TS</a>]

00:06:30   are we gonna continue to use Hoover and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/390">TS</a>]

00:06:34   you know I think all of us in our places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/394">TS</a>]

00:06:37   where we actually live never have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/397">TS</a>]

00:06:39   for a service like uber at all so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/399">TS</a>]

00:06:41   not really relevant only really over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/401">TS</a>]

00:06:43   when we're traveling and there have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/403">TS</a>]

00:06:45   a lot of people deleting him off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/405">TS</a>]

00:06:46   phone and or otherwise vowing to never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/406">TS</a>]

00:06:50   use it one of the interesting things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/410">TS</a>]

00:06:52   read about the people who drive gruber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/412">TS</a>]

00:06:56   is that very often the drivers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/416">TS</a>]

00:06:58   working for multiple ones of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/418">TS</a>]

00:07:00   companies at the same time yeah so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/420">TS</a>]

00:07:02   you call for a lift or you call for an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/422">TS</a>]

00:07:04   uber it could be the same person and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/424">TS</a>]

00:07:05   starting to change what app is up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/425">TS</a>]

00:07:07   their phone which is interesting so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/427">TS</a>]

00:07:10   not as if the purse the car the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/430">TS</a>]

00:07:13   you get is actually dependent on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/433">TS</a>]

00:07:14   company and lift like every other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/434">TS</a>]

00:07:19   company I'm sure has its own fair share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/439">TS</a>]

00:07:22   of problems and you know or people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/442">TS</a>]

00:07:25   putting on the chat room problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/445">TS</a>]

00:07:26   dealing with down to the application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/446">TS</a>]

00:07:28   itself you know always putting location [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/448">TS</a>]

00:07:30   on oh no this is the opposite that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/450">TS</a>]

00:07:32   complaining the new burrow with has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/452">TS</a>]

00:07:33   location anyway I recall reading lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/453">TS</a>]

00:07:37   scary things about lift as well and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/457">TS</a>]

00:07:39   very often they were presented as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/459">TS</a>]

00:07:40   better alternative doober merely because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/460">TS</a>]

00:07:42   it were is so incredibly terrible that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/462">TS</a>]

00:07:45   the bar is low in some respects it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/465">TS</a>]

00:07:48   little bit like airlines that we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/468">TS</a>]

00:07:51   about before where we all know angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/471">TS</a>]

00:07:54   travelers maybe we have been this Angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/474">TS</a>]

00:07:57   traveler who has a bad experience with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/477">TS</a>]

00:07:59   an airline and vows to never fly in them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/479">TS</a>]

00:08:01   again and if you travel at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/481">TS</a>]

00:08:05   frequently you will eventually have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/485">TS</a>]

00:08:08   same experience with every airline and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/488">TS</a>]

00:08:10   then you will literally be unable to fly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/490">TS</a>]

00:08:12   because that because all airlines do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/492">TS</a>]

00:08:14   something that is enough to anger people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/494">TS</a>]

00:08:17   is that that's it I'm never flying delta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/497">TS</a>]

00:08:19   again and they stick to it and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/499">TS</a>]

00:08:21   never fly delta again if you if you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/501">TS</a>]

00:08:23   that for five years of constant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/503">TS</a>]

00:08:25   traveling you will be out of airlines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/505">TS</a>]

00:08:26   and I wonder if ride-sharing services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/506">TS</a>]

00:08:29   especially when subsidized by VC money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/509">TS</a>]

00:08:31   that are basically trying to put taxi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/511">TS</a>]

00:08:33   companies out of business so they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/513">TS</a>]

00:08:34   you know dance on their their grave and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/514">TS</a>]

00:08:37   then raise their prices like I wonder if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/517">TS</a>]

00:08:40   there are any good ride sharing company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/520">TS</a>]

00:08:42   then it's not as if taxi services are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/522">TS</a>]

00:08:43   all that great either every every one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/523">TS</a>]

00:08:45   these things seems to have some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/525">TS</a>]

00:08:46   problem so you know I'm certainly what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/526">TS</a>]

00:08:50   I've heard I heard somebody say recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/530">TS</a>]

00:08:52   was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/532">TS</a>]

00:08:52   I'll still use uber but I'll hate myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/532">TS</a>]

00:08:54   every time I do it I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/534">TS</a>]

00:08:56   that's the solution is a solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/536">TS</a>]

00:08:57   deleting nubra what if you use lift and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/537">TS</a>]

00:08:59   you find out all sorts of horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/539">TS</a>]

00:09:00   things but left eventually you can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/540">TS</a>]

00:09:01   not use any ride-sharing services it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/541">TS</a>]

00:09:05   hard to know what to do in these type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/545">TS</a>]

00:09:06   situations I think it is very similar to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/546">TS</a>]

00:09:08   an a-line type situation but when there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/548">TS</a>]

00:09:11   are alternatives obviously if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/551">TS</a>]

00:09:13   any kind of choice at all and you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/553">TS</a>]

00:09:16   you really do think Hoover is the worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/556">TS</a>]

00:09:17   of the worst like don't pick them pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/557">TS</a>]

00:09:20   another company right and I guess you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/560">TS</a>]

00:09:23   just keep doing that until you're out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/563">TS</a>]

00:09:25   ride-sharing company right hiring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/565">TS</a>]

00:09:27   company what are they called it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/567">TS</a>]

00:09:28   ride sharing what do you call a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/568">TS</a>]

00:09:30   like uber I don't know private taxis but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/570">TS</a>]

00:09:33   it's not a car service I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/573">TS</a>]

00:09:34   whatever it but like like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/574">TS</a>]

00:09:36   usually this argument of like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/576">TS</a>]

00:09:39   they're all probably terrible when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/579">TS</a>]

00:09:41   might we just might not know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/581">TS</a>]

00:09:42   terrible the other ones are because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/582">TS</a>]

00:09:43   they're like less in the public eye or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/583">TS</a>]

00:09:45   we do know but it was like the two news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/585">TS</a>]

00:09:47   cycles ago right especially and like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/587">TS</a>]

00:09:50   talked about previously with like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/590">TS</a>]

00:09:51   know how i buy things from amazon even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/591">TS</a>]

00:09:53   though i know that in many ways amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/593">TS</a>]

00:09:55   as a retail company is kind of horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/595">TS</a>]

00:09:57   but i've worked another retail company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/597">TS</a>]

00:09:59   before just enough to know that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/599">TS</a>]

00:10:02   all pretty horrible and retail is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/602">TS</a>]

00:10:04   horrible business and so you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/604">TS</a>]

00:10:06   the the smaller ones like what are we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/606">TS</a>]

00:10:08   gonna do like oh I'm not gonna buy this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/608">TS</a>]

00:10:09   thing at amazon I'm gonna buy it at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/609">TS</a>]

00:10:11   walmart know like you know we're also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/611">TS</a>]

00:10:14   making it like maybe i'll go to some you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/614">TS</a>]

00:10:16   go to target well they're probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/616">TS</a>]

00:10:17   horrible and some other way to like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/617">TS</a>]

00:10:19   because retail is a horrible business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/619">TS</a>]

00:10:21   and all the incentives kind of force [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/621">TS</a>]

00:10:22   everyone in it to be pretty horrible or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/622">TS</a>]

00:10:24   to go out of business and so i decided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/624">TS</a>]

00:10:26   like it's worth it to me to shop at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/626">TS</a>]

00:10:28   amazon because it's just so much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/628">TS</a>]

00:10:30   than everything else and and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/630">TS</a>]

00:10:32   offenses aren't bad enough to to offend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/632">TS</a>]

00:10:36   me enough to overcome you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/636">TS</a>]

00:10:38   difference between them and anybody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/638">TS</a>]

00:10:40   in in morality versus the incredible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/640">TS</a>]

00:10:43   convenience that they offer with uber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/643">TS</a>]

00:10:45   though i think it's a little bit of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/645">TS</a>]

00:10:46   different situation because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/646">TS</a>]

00:10:47   first of all uber in the grand scheme of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/647">TS</a>]

00:10:50   things is pretty young and so it's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/650">TS</a>]

00:10:53   for anybody to to look at what uber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/653">TS</a>]

00:10:55   gives them in their life and say i can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/655">TS</a>]

00:10:57   i can't be without that because like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/657">TS</a>]

00:11:00   will you were with that that like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/660">TS</a>]

00:11:01   five years ago like it wasn't it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/661">TS</a>]

00:11:03   that long ago like chances are five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/663">TS</a>]

00:11:05   years ago you weren't using anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/665">TS</a>]

00:11:06   like that and you still lived you still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/666">TS</a>]

00:11:08   got around you still find a way to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/668">TS</a>]

00:11:10   that work how did you do that right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/670">TS</a>]

00:11:11   could you just go back to that how bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/671">TS</a>]

00:11:14   would it really be you know even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/674">TS</a>]

00:11:16   there is no other ride hailing companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/676">TS</a>]

00:11:17   like lift right like even if you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/677">TS</a>]

00:11:19   get any other ones in area if it were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/679">TS</a>]

00:11:21   the only one that serves your area how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/681">TS</a>]

00:11:23   bad would it be not to use them and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/683">TS</a>]

00:11:25   some cases it actually is really bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/685">TS</a>]

00:11:27   like in some cases if your alternative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/687">TS</a>]

00:11:29   is like well I can get an uber in 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/689">TS</a>]

00:11:31   minutes or because of where I am like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/691">TS</a>]

00:11:33   you're like you know in the in like know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/693">TS</a>]

00:11:35   where Brooklyn and no cab will pick you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/695">TS</a>]

00:11:37   up out there believe me I've been there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/697">TS</a>]

00:11:38   this is before I used uber and you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/698">TS</a>]

00:11:41   to wait like literally you have to wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/701">TS</a>]

00:11:43   an hour and a half from midnight to 130 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/703">TS</a>]

00:11:46   am on a pier in Brooklyn because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/706">TS</a>]

00:11:50   no cabs around you had to call a car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/710">TS</a>]

00:11:52   service and that's the soon as they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/712">TS</a>]

00:11:53   come get you in that kind of case okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/713">TS</a>]

00:11:57   if we virtually the only thing that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/717">TS</a>]

00:11:59   serve you I can't really follow you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/719">TS</a>]

00:12:01   using it however most of the time for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/721">TS</a>]

00:12:04   most people if Hoover serves you at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/724">TS</a>]

00:12:07   other options probably due to whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/727">TS</a>]

00:12:10   it's your regular taxi service or other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/730">TS</a>]

00:12:12   car hailing services or mass transit or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/732">TS</a>]

00:12:15   other like you know private you know car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/735">TS</a>]

00:12:18   service and stuff like that like chances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/738">TS</a>]

00:12:20   are if you use uber at all you probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/740">TS</a>]

00:12:23   have other options and they might be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/743">TS</a>]

00:12:25   little bit less convenient you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/745">TS</a>]

00:12:26   have to wait one or two extra minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/746">TS</a>]

00:12:28   for a ride where you have to pay a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/748">TS</a>]

00:12:29   dollar more but you have to decide for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/749">TS</a>]

00:12:32   yourself if that's worth you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/752">TS</a>]

00:12:34   the the moral say things are not and for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/754">TS</a>]

00:12:37   me I think it's worth it yeah those up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/757">TS</a>]

00:12:39   was that other one I heard about called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/759">TS</a>]

00:12:41   fasten like fasten your seatbelts I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/761">TS</a>]

00:12:43   guess another one that's at the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/763">TS</a>]

00:12:45   least in the the Pacific Northwest I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/765">TS</a>]

00:12:47   heard a bunch of people talking about so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/767">TS</a>]

00:12:48   it's not just uber and lyft there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/768">TS</a>]

00:12:50   probably other options maybe not all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/770">TS</a>]

00:12:52   elimination wide so i guess check the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/772">TS</a>]

00:12:54   app store and ask around to see what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/774">TS</a>]

00:12:57   other options are in your area you too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/777">TS</a>]

00:12:58   can live an uber free lifestyle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/778">TS</a>]

00:13:00   hopefully though and I mean it's easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/780">TS</a>]

00:13:02   for the three of us to say because we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/782">TS</a>]

00:13:03   white dudes but you know I've understood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/783">TS</a>]

00:13:05   that in some ways it can be better if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/785">TS</a>]

00:13:07   you're you know like a minority or if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/787">TS</a>]

00:13:09   you're a woman that maybe maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/789">TS</a>]

00:13:11   it's better for some reason to be to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/791">TS</a>]

00:13:13   call an uber or perhaps a lift well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/793">TS</a>]

00:13:15   maybe not an over there's a lot but a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/795">TS</a>]

00:13:16   lot of horror stories about women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/796">TS</a>]

00:13:17   getting picked up by overs okay maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/797">TS</a>]

00:13:19   women with support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/799">TS</a>]

00:13:20   Paul but you know maybe if you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/800">TS</a>]

00:13:21   person of color or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/801">TS</a>]

00:13:22   you know maybe a taxi cab would would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/802">TS</a>]

00:13:26   not take your fair where an uber or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/806">TS</a>]

00:13:28   perhaps a lift would you know it's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/808">TS</a>]

00:13:31   guess what I'm driving at is it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/811">TS</a>]

00:13:32   nuanced right ever it it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/812">TS</a>]

00:13:35   balancing act and you do what works best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/815">TS</a>]

00:13:38   for you but I plan to before I go to San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/818">TS</a>]

00:13:41   Jose which I think I'm going to be doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/821">TS</a>]

00:13:44   I plan to look into lift and understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/824">TS</a>]

00:13:46   if there's any differences in procedure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/826">TS</a>]

00:13:48   or like you know tipping paradigms or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/828">TS</a>]

00:13:50   anything like that I plan to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/830">TS</a>]

00:13:53   understand what that is before I go so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/833">TS</a>]

00:13:56   this way I can use left rather than uber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/836">TS</a>]

00:13:57   and I should mention that um front of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/837">TS</a>]

00:14:00   the show G McDonald who in the past has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/840">TS</a>]

00:14:03   run or been deeply involved with a I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/843">TS</a>]

00:14:05   guess she is still deeply involved with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/845">TS</a>]

00:14:07   that camp for girls which is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/847">TS</a>]

00:14:09   organization that's near and dear to all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/849">TS</a>]

00:14:10   of our hearts anyway she just for fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/850">TS</a>]

00:14:12   decided to drive I thought and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/852">TS</a>]

00:14:15   pretty sure I have this right for both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/855">TS</a>]

00:14:16   uber and lyft and then ended up not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/856">TS</a>]

00:14:19   doing it for uber anymore because she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/859">TS</a>]

00:14:20   had some really bad experiences and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/860">TS</a>]

00:14:22   don't have her tweets handy where she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/862">TS</a>]

00:14:24   talked about this unfortunately but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/864">TS</a>]

00:14:26   can look at um you can look at her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/866">TS</a>]

00:14:29   timeline or just ask her about it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/869">TS</a>]

00:14:31   she'll tell you that that she drives for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/871">TS</a>]

00:14:34   lift from time to time because she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/874">TS</a>]

00:14:35   just felt better about it I wish I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/875">TS</a>]

00:14:38   form i remember what was better but she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/878">TS</a>]

00:14:40   seemed to think that the lift was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/880">TS</a>]

00:14:41   better experience for drivers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/881">TS</a>]

00:14:43   probably for writers to the pink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/883">TS</a>]

00:14:44   mustaches right I mean here's the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/884">TS</a>]

00:14:47   to like it's kind of hard to be worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/887">TS</a>]

00:14:49   than over like literally everything they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/889">TS</a>]

00:14:52   do is horrible with the exception that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/892">TS</a>]

00:14:54   they are kind of everywhere now but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/894">TS</a>]

00:14:56   the company is horrible the people at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/896">TS</a>]

00:14:59   the top leading the company are horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/899">TS</a>]

00:15:01   the app is horrible insult like the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/901">TS</a>]

00:15:04   itself is its own incredible case study [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/904">TS</a>]

00:15:07   of horrendous abusive fraudulent app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/907">TS</a>]

00:15:10   design like it's it does so many creepy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/910">TS</a>]

00:15:13   immoral things that that honestly should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/913">TS</a>]

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00:15:22   terrible app in front of a terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/922">TS</a>]

00:15:25   service run by some really horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/925">TS</a>]

00:15:27   people in again like in most cases if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/927">TS</a>]

00:15:30   most the time if you're deciding between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/930">TS</a>]

00:15:31   big crappy companies like airlines are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/931">TS</a>]

00:15:34   doors I think the differences are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/934">TS</a>]

00:15:35   usually smaller between them but in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/935">TS</a>]

00:15:38   case like my god is uber horrible like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/938">TS</a>]

00:15:40   it would be really impressive for any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/940">TS</a>]

00:15:43   other company in this business to be as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/943">TS</a>]

00:15:45   horrible as they are well that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/945">TS</a>]

00:15:47   the competition is for so here's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/947">TS</a>]

00:15:49   article from class next thing saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/949">TS</a>]

00:15:51   uber is quietly terrible for women and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/951">TS</a>]

00:15:53   black people study says so there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/953">TS</a>]

00:15:54   article on that so so much for being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/954">TS</a>]

00:15:57   better for minorities or women and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/957">TS</a>]

00:16:00   another article saying a new business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/960">TS</a>]

00:16:02   model same racist cab drivers that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/962">TS</a>]

00:16:05   talks about both uber and lyft and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/965">TS</a>]

00:16:06   making it harder for people with black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/966">TS</a>]

00:16:08   sounding names to get rides so like as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/968">TS</a>]

00:16:11   with so many of these things are trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/971">TS</a>]

00:16:13   episode it's not it's not a problem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/973">TS</a>]

00:16:15   a particular company or particular made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/975">TS</a>]

00:16:17   it's a problem it's a cultural societal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/977">TS</a>]

00:16:19   problem because all these companies are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/979">TS</a>]

00:16:21   made up of people who come from this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/981">TS</a>]

00:16:23   culture and the society grant it very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/983">TS</a>]

00:16:25   often they are the worst people but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/985">TS</a>]

00:16:28   know like the CEO of uber who was caught [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/988">TS</a>]

00:16:30   on video arguing as one of his drivers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/990">TS</a>]

00:16:31   but just just boggles my mind there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/991">TS</a>]

00:16:34   maybe he was drunk you don't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/994">TS</a>]

00:16:36   self-awareness to understand that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/996">TS</a>]

00:16:38   don't even know if you can't if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/998">TS</a>]

00:16:41   can't be if you are the CEO of a company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1001">TS</a>]

00:16:42   and you can't manage to be respectful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1002">TS</a>]

00:16:45   magnanimous 45 minutes to one of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1005">TS</a>]

00:16:48   employees who's angry like it did bottle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1008">TS</a>]

00:16:50   her on that you could be this bad at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1010">TS</a>]

00:16:51   everything having to do with you anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:54   yeah so if you you know if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1014">TS</a>]

00:16:59   peace fight for justice as they say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1019">TS</a>]

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00:17:08   spoiled tech CEOs but if you can at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1028">TS</a>]

00:17:12   if you could it all avoid giving money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1032">TS</a>]

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00:17:19   the very worst of a business that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1039">TS</a>]

00:17:20   already in a slightly precarious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1040">TS</a>]

00:17:23   situation in terms of you know all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1043">TS</a>]

00:17:25   articles going around about the the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1045">TS</a>]

00:17:27   that goober is not profitable and is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1047">TS</a>]

00:17:28   basically being funded by a venture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:30   capital to put tax companies out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1050">TS</a>]

00:17:32   business and if they ever succeeded in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1052">TS</a>]

00:17:33   that they would just raise their prices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1053">TS</a>]

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00:17:36   workers and that's this half of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1056">TS</a>]

00:17:38   these the argument with the CEO was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1058">TS</a>]

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00:17:43   the uber seeing I was saying he's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1063">TS</a>]

00:17:45   waiting to replace all these drivers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1065">TS</a>]

00:17:46   with self-driving cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1066">TS</a>]

00:17:47   anyway and their self driving cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1067">TS</a>]

00:17:48   running through red lights and then who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:50   were lying about it oh it's a mess so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1070">TS</a>]

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00:17:57   judge Siracusa answer to this problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1077">TS</a>]

00:17:59   yeah you wish that was the answer solves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1079">TS</a>]

00:18:01   a lot of problems doesn't it it solves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1081">TS</a>]

00:18:03   your problems yeah I don't think I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1083">TS</a>]

00:18:05   ever actually taken an uber on my on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1085">TS</a>]

00:18:08   account my wife has an account though we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1088">TS</a>]

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00:18:20   bad experience and it's always going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1100">TS</a>]

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00:18:33   they're that there's nothing but mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:35   terrible people it over but certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:36   the people that are running the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1116">TS</a>]

00:18:38   seemed to be pretty consistently mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1118">TS</a>]

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00:18:48   been in an uber or even a taxi for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1128">TS</a>]

00:18:51   matter like the people who are actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1131">TS</a>]

00:18:53   driving like the leaf nodes of the org [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1133">TS</a>]

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00:19:01   sounding names and picking up women and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1141">TS</a>]

00:19:03   driving them around longer than they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:04   should be driving them and hitting on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1144">TS</a>]

00:19:05   them and doing all sorts of terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1145">TS</a>]

00:19:06   things like obviously that happens but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1146">TS</a>]

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00:22:19   record on Wednesday as per usual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1339">TS</a>]

00:22:21   overcast ads are available for purchase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1341">TS</a>]

00:22:24   from anyone that has an overcast account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1344">TS</a>]

00:22:27   and that's exciting and in what is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1347">TS</a>]

00:22:31   surprised me but really shouldn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:32   surprised me you have a really neat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1352">TS</a>]

00:22:34   little table here that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1354">TS</a>]

00:22:35   presumably all integrated with your ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:37   back-end that shows availability and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1357">TS</a>]

00:22:39   prices and some analytics sort of kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1359">TS</a>]

00:22:43   of some estimated analytics and it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1363">TS</a>]

00:22:45   much more mature that I would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1365">TS</a>]

00:22:47   expected the way you painted it when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1367">TS</a>]

00:22:49   we've talked both on the show in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:51   privately I don't know I just got this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:52   impression that this was a little bit I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1372">TS</a>]

00:22:54   don't know grab-ass but as it turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1374">TS</a>]

00:22:56   this is this is legit this is the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1376">TS</a>]

00:22:58   deal and you've clearly put a whole lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1378">TS</a>]

00:23:00   of orbit this is grab-ass plus CSS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:02   chaser but anyway but this is super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1382">TS</a>]

00:23:07   exciting you've already had a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1387">TS</a>]

00:23:09   categories sell out so how's things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1389">TS</a>]

00:23:11   going i mean it certainly looks from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1391">TS</a>]

00:23:13   outside like it's going really well i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1393">TS</a>]

00:23:14   mean so far it's going great like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1394">TS</a>]

00:23:17   you know this is not an indication of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1397">TS</a>]

00:23:20   how it's going to be going long term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1400">TS</a>]

00:23:21   because no one including me and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:24   people buying the ads has any idea like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1404">TS</a>]

00:23:26   what is a podcast ad worth because mote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1406">TS</a>]

00:23:29   you know there are some of the some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1409">TS</a>]

00:23:31   these ads are for websites or apps but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1411">TS</a>]

00:23:33   most of them by far most of them are for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1413">TS</a>]

00:23:36   podcasts and so I really and as I by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:40   way I love that that ratio like I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:42   want the ability to advertise for for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1422">TS</a>]

00:23:44   both types of things but I also would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1424">TS</a>]

00:23:46   prefer if most of the ads were podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1426">TS</a>]

00:23:49   as I'm actually considered having having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1429">TS</a>]

00:23:52   actually be two separate inventory types [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:54   so it would actually sell separate slots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:57   possibly at different prices like maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1437">TS</a>]

00:23:58   pocket podcast ads would be cheaper than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1438">TS</a>]

00:24:00   website ads and I just that was too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1440">TS</a>]

00:24:02   complexity so I just didn't build it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:04   and I might do it later but probably not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1444">TS</a>]

00:24:06   you know basically it's kind of cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1446">TS</a>]

00:24:09   that in a podcast app I can now have ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1449">TS</a>]

00:24:12   for other podcasts because it makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1452">TS</a>]

00:24:15   kind of not feel like an ad anymore and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1455">TS</a>]

00:24:17   I've like this is one of the reasons why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:19   I added the option for paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1459">TS</a>]

00:24:22   subscribers who normally just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:23   automatically wouldn't see any ads i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1463">TS</a>]

00:24:25   added a setting in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1465">TS</a>]

00:24:27   settings for them a check box for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1467">TS</a>]

00:24:30   to trim the ads on you know if for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:32   everyone else it just is on and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1472">TS</a>]

00:24:33   can't turn it off but for paying people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1473">TS</a>]

00:24:35   one of the benefits normally that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:36   paying for is not to see ads but these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1476">TS</a>]

00:24:38   ads are kind of nice it like it turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:40   out really well and there and so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1480">TS</a>]

00:24:43   they're actually there are like podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1483">TS</a>]

00:24:44   and a good number of them and good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1484">TS</a>]

00:24:46   quality ones buying the ads I mean I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1486">TS</a>]

00:24:49   literally only about you know four hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:52   or some or so into the ad sales so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1492">TS</a>]

00:24:56   it's very hard for me to really know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1496">TS</a>]

00:24:58   what this is going to be life long term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1498">TS</a>]

00:24:59   but in the short term it's really easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1499">TS</a>]

00:25:01   it's really nice it's really nice like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:04   built the system it's a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:07   straightforward like basic you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:10   database thing with basic tracking in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:13   the app of views taps and subscriptions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:15   the payment is all through stripe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:17   because stripe is amazing i love stripes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1517">TS</a>]

00:25:20   so much what did we do before strive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:23   actually i'll tell you what we did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:24   before stripe paypal and it was a dark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1524">TS</a>]

00:25:26   time oh my we said a dark time i'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1526">TS</a>]

00:25:30   tell you about dark times before paypal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:32   we had banks of modems that would they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1532">TS</a>]

00:25:34   would dial the credit card companies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:36   transfer information using archaic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:38   protocols from our linux servers phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:40   lines actual phone lines that's how we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:42   did credit card processing was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:44   actually worse than paypal i don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:45   yes have you ever tried to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1545">TS</a>]

00:25:48   subscriptions in paypal phone lines and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1548">TS</a>]

00:25:50   modems are among the least friendly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1550">TS</a>]

00:25:52   things you ever want to be wrangling at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1552">TS</a>]

00:25:54   a data center that is not in the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1554">TS</a>]

00:25:55   building as you have you ever used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1555">TS</a>]

00:25:57   paypal i have i mean paypal will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1557">TS</a>]

00:26:00   eventually freeze your can take all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:01   money but the phone line situation made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1561">TS</a>]

00:26:04   it so hard to even get money in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:05   first place yeah well anyway so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1565">TS</a>]

00:26:08   all built using some you know nice easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1568">TS</a>]

00:26:10   stuff with stripe is the payment gateway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1570">TS</a>]

00:26:12   i even accept Apple pay which is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:14   cool but could they make it really easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1574">TS</a>]

00:26:16   so I literally like you know you put in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1576">TS</a>]

00:26:18   a few HTML divs and you enable this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:20   thing in your site and then you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1580">TS</a>]

00:26:21   Apple pay so you can go to my site and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1581">TS</a>]

00:26:24   buy an ad with your fingerprint in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:25   three seconds it's kind of awesome it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:29   incredibly satisfying and so yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1589">TS</a>]

00:26:32   that's what I've been working on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:33   last week or so is just building the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1593">TS</a>]

00:26:35   system out and there's still a lot I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1595">TS</a>]

00:26:38   have to do like basically tomorrow I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1598">TS</a>]

00:26:40   have to build system to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1600">TS</a>]

00:26:41   notify people when categories become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:44   available that are sold out that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1604">TS</a>]

00:26:45   something I kind of added last minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1605">TS</a>]

00:26:46   tonight because a bunch of things so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:48   that my amelie got a bunch of emails to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1608">TS</a>]

00:26:49   people saying hey I got here too late my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:51   category sold out can you put me up for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:53   the next one and honorable I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1613">TS</a>]

00:26:55   really want to give the business of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:56   having to maintain a thousand different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1616">TS</a>]

00:26:58   relationships with people and eating on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1618">TS</a>]

00:26:59   them and then what if it sells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1619">TS</a>]

00:27:00   beforehand then like they're out of luck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1620">TS</a>]

00:27:02   and I email them so obviously build it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1622">TS</a>]

00:27:04   very simple like notify me thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:06   already built the system to record your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:08   intention to be notified I just haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1628">TS</a>]

00:27:10   actually made the notifications yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1630">TS</a>]

00:27:11   because now I have 30 days to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:14   because all these ads have their dales [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:15   that is the most Marco thing supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1635">TS</a>]

00:27:18   Marco comments I've ever heard oh I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:20   have to worry about that for everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1640">TS</a>]

00:27:21   yeah it's similarly like I want the ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:24   to email the person who bought it when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1644">TS</a>]

00:27:27   it expires to tell them your ID is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1647">TS</a>]

00:27:29   expired click here if you want to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1649">TS</a>]

00:27:31   another one and I haven't built that yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:33   either because I have three days to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1653">TS</a>]

00:27:34   build that too but yeah so for the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:38   part they're the system is pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1658">TS</a>]

00:27:39   like it's you know three quarters of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:41   way done like all the core stuff is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1661">TS</a>]

00:27:43   there except in the payments you know my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1663">TS</a>]

00:27:45   my admin administrator interface to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1665">TS</a>]

00:27:47   approve or reject and refund them all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1667">TS</a>]

00:27:51   sorts of you know payment handling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:53   things that were actually surprisingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1673">TS</a>]

00:27:55   easy because stripe is so good I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1675">TS</a>]

00:27:58   jeez like stripe kind of embarrasses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1678">TS</a>]

00:28:00   everything else I do like in like every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:04   other part of this was more complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:07   and took more work and more fiddling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1687">TS</a>]

00:28:09   than the entire payment processing just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:13   kind of amazing you would think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1693">TS</a>]

00:28:14   would have been the worst because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1694">TS</a>]

00:28:15   arguably the most important since it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:17   involves money but no apparently not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1697">TS</a>]

00:28:19   yeah I so I have some questions so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:21   had made mention that you would this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1701">TS</a>]

00:28:23   took you like a week so last I heard you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1703">TS</a>]

00:28:26   had demo ads in the app you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1706">TS</a>]

00:28:30   obviously I'm on the beta so I'm seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1710">TS</a>]

00:28:31   these like you know cam dads that well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:33   guess they weren't entirely demo they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1713">TS</a>]

00:28:34   were kind of like first run ads they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1714">TS</a>]

00:28:36   were real ads i had just inputted the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1716">TS</a>]

00:28:38   manually into the database right because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1718">TS</a>]

00:28:40   there was no interface for people to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:41   them mhm and so that was running for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1721">TS</a>]

00:28:44   little bit and then how long did it take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:46   you to do this whole back-end you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1726">TS</a>]

00:28:47   about a week yeah about a week well it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:49   because like i already had the system in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:52   you know between the app and the sync [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1732">TS</a>]

00:28:53   service i already had the system to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:55   serve the as to the app have the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1735">TS</a>]

00:28:58   show them record their stats and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1738">TS</a>]

00:29:00   transmit the stats back on the next sink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1740">TS</a>]

00:29:03   and so that and then so I had like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:06   everything I had basically the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1746">TS</a>]

00:29:07   back end of like serving and tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1747">TS</a>]

00:29:10   the ads so all I had to do was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:12   creation editing and buying of the ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1752">TS</a>]

00:29:16   and that's not a small amount of work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1756">TS</a>]

00:29:17   but in the grand scheme of things is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:19   only about half of it so when one goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1759">TS</a>]

00:29:22   to buy an ad you you select you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1762">TS</a>]

00:29:24   price and the first thing you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:26   presented with is choosing ad type you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1766">TS</a>]

00:29:28   can either search for a podcast or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:30   can provide a URL what happens after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:32   that like it would I be providing art or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:35   blurb or what what what what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1775">TS</a>]

00:29:37   customizable here try it you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:40   to pay till the very end so I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1780">TS</a>]

00:29:42   gonna I'm not gonna like send you an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:43   invoice it's very much you will know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1783">TS</a>]

00:29:45   when you're paying it works for me I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:49   a little scared I don't mess with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1789">TS</a>]

00:29:50   alright so I have a title description [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:52   you gotta support arrow keys in return [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1792">TS</a>]

00:29:54   in your autocompletes come on oh my big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1794">TS</a>]

00:29:57   shirt my podcast search box yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1797">TS</a>]

00:29:59   a big custom thing yeah if I hit down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1799">TS</a>]

00:30:01   our to select and hit return it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:03   nope I haven't looked at that coaches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:05   2014 it might support it easily i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:07   sure i'm using this this pure framework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1807">TS</a>]

00:30:09   which probably doesn't even exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:10   anymore i don't know it like it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:12   smallest like CSS type framework i could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1812">TS</a>]

00:30:15   find in 2014 so i put it in but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:19   it doesn't really matter it does not oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:21   this is very slick okay so I've put in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1821">TS</a>]

00:30:23   this is a difference between John and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1823">TS</a>]

00:30:25   John is advertising for a podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:27   presumably one that has other people on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1827">TS</a>]

00:30:29   it me I put in my own URL anyway Marvin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:32   the dog was this frequent test URL don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:34   worry so I have a title description a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:38   URL and optional image and then what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1838">TS</a>]

00:30:41   really like is you have a little preview [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:42   right then and there that shows you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1842">TS</a>]

00:30:44   approximately wanted to look like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1844">TS</a>]

00:30:46   then like you said ready when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1846">TS</a>]

00:30:47   ready either Apple pay or pay with card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:48   super cool i really like this and so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:52   basically the idea is you are either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:53   advertising for a podcast or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1853">TS</a>]

00:30:58   that can relate to the web anything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1858">TS</a>]

00:31:00   has a URL yeah so you know apps websites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1860">TS</a>]

00:31:03   you know and yeah anyway nice any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1863">TS</a>]

00:31:05   website that's pretty cool and and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:08   the initial take rate seems pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:11   from what i can tell i mean you're sold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1871">TS</a>]

00:31:12   out in a few few different things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:14   there's nothing that has no purchases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:18   nope that's lots available oh I'm sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1878">TS</a>]

00:31:21   I misread yeah so health has no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1881">TS</a>]

00:31:23   purchases but but there are other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:25   categories that have all the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:26   categories have at least one fair enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1886">TS</a>]

00:31:28   well so you obviously massively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1888">TS</a>]

00:31:30   underpriced this stuff I actually raised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1890">TS</a>]

00:31:32   the prices about an hour ago because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1892">TS</a>]

00:31:34   they sold too fast and i noticed that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:37   know but like it's to it but anyway live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:39   and learn there'll be another 30 days I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:42   did kind of want this to be a quick sale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:44   because one of the big challenges that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:47   that I went is this with is all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:50   categories to say not enough data yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1910">TS</a>]

00:31:51   because I just haven't had test ads in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:54   those categories and so I really need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1914">TS</a>]

00:31:58   know like what categories even get good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1918">TS</a>]

00:32:01   traffic and then the pricing is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:04   a guess like you know business sold out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:06   really quickly and I had it in the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:08   the low price category because I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:10   think it was as high traffic as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:11   other ones in overcast but now I'll find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:15   out if that's true or not if it is true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:16   i'm going to move it up to the little to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:17   the dark gray section between all and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1937">TS</a>]

00:32:19   the others that's like the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1939">TS</a>]

00:32:21   mid-priced ear and then that's why i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:23   should an auction system because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1943">TS</a>]

00:32:24   market will decide what's valuable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:25   because it's not just the traffic it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1945">TS</a>]

00:32:27   like how valuable of the people is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:28   the business podcast maybe they all have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1948">TS</a>]

00:32:30   lots of money and buy expensive stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1950">TS</a>]

00:32:31   all the time so they're more valuable to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:32   advertise to maybe I mean you know i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1952">TS</a>]

00:32:35   just the price is obviously individually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:36   if I need to but ultimately I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:39   rather have the inventory sell out more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:42   often than to extract every possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:45   last dollar out of the highest bidder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:46   because I want there to be a lot of ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1966">TS</a>]

00:32:48   in the system because that would people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:49   see a nice variety in their apps and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:51   it kind of gives more people a chance to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1971">TS</a>]

00:32:54   advertise in the app so that I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:57   prefer sold out inventory to necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1977">TS</a>]

00:33:00   the absolute highest price again I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:02   no idea how hard it's going to be to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:05   sell these ads in you know six months a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:08   year I have no idea it could be really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:11   easy this could require very little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:12   effort on my part or might have to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1992">TS</a>]

00:33:14   actually start like you know keeping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:16   this email list like quote reaching out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:18   to people and reaching all over them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:20   get them to buy an ad like I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:21   like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2001">TS</a>]

00:33:22   it's sudden you'll be on to the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:24   business model anyway so it'll be fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2004">TS</a>]

00:33:25   that's true it's gonna be hard to beat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:27   this like if this keeps going the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:30   know anywhere near what it is now first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:33   of all I've made today enough for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:36   something like eight months of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:38   google ads wow that's all I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:40   if I'm gonna make this every month but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:42   it it certainly shows like this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:45   probably the right move and if if if i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:48   even get you know a quarter of this i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2028">TS</a>]

00:33:51   happy with that yeah I feel like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2031">TS</a>]

00:33:54   gonna go up I felt next month is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:55   to be higher because you have to raise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2035">TS</a>]

00:33:57   these prices you just have to and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2037">TS</a>]

00:33:59   even if it's slowly tapers off from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2039">TS</a>]

00:34:00   course of a few years the only thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:02   that'll make you stop it which is which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2042">TS</a>]

00:34:03   is a thing that may happen but the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:05   they'll make you stop is if you find it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2045">TS</a>]

00:34:06   too annoying I guess that is that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:08   is the thing that's going to get this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:10   feel like yeah i mean that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:12   certainly the the main limiting factor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2052">TS</a>]

00:34:14   is like how much of my time will take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:15   but the good thing is this is a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2055">TS</a>]

00:34:17   easy thing to have someone else help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2057">TS</a>]

00:34:19   with yeah that's sort of true but right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2059">TS</a>]

00:34:21   now like I'm doing it myself right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:22   because I don't want to immediately I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2062">TS</a>]

00:34:25   asked for something like this because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:26   want to know first of all how is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:27   doing and you want to do those two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2067">TS</a>]

00:34:28   really kind of run it myself so I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:30   to know how it works for everybody all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:32   right at the front I want to know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:33   all the needs are hat you know what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:35   what the pain points are so I can fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2075">TS</a>]

00:34:37   them and then I need to know like is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:40   this even the kind of thing I need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:41   outsource to someone else or is it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2081">TS</a>]

00:34:44   little work that I can just do it myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:45   you know if it's sending 50 emails on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:48   one day a month that's that's a decent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:51   man of work but I could probably do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:52   myself you know so you know we'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2092">TS</a>]

00:34:55   we'll see what elections up being again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:57   it's way too early to tell but the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2097">TS</a>]

00:34:59   early indication suggests that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2099">TS</a>]

00:35:02   pretty good what's a super awesome now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2102">TS</a>]

00:35:05   so you're doing all the approving by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:07   hand using your little admin interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:09   yep have you had to deny anyone as yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:13   that wasn't clearly just spamming you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:15   for the sake of being a jerk no I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:17   one of the things is you have to pay to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:18   even submit it like all right yes like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2118">TS</a>]

00:35:21   in in like the in crud web app terms it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:23   literally doesn't even save the database [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:25   record until it has a payment the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2125">TS</a>]

00:35:28   payments all like in you know in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:30   the temporary session post variables [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:32   until you actually until it's paid so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:35   that so that basically makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2135">TS</a>]

00:35:36   spammable from a pure spam perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:38   it puts ups you know a pretty big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2138">TS</a>]

00:35:40   barrier that and so and then you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:43   and I am human reviewing the mall to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2143">TS</a>]

00:35:44   just make sure they're not like obscene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2144">TS</a>]

00:35:45   or you know hate content or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:47   else and there was one one person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2147">TS</a>]

00:35:50   submitted one that had a word that some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:53   people might consider a bad word it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2153">TS</a>]

00:35:55   not like one of the big ones but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2155">TS</a>]

00:35:56   like a kind of ancillary one so so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2156">TS</a>]

00:35:59   went back to that person like hey do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2159">TS</a>]

00:36:01   mind if I edit this and we worked out a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:02   different copy and then that was it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:04   I approved it so that that was the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:05   the only one that even required any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2165">TS</a>]

00:36:07   review at all nice and you know what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:09   amazing about this when google sells ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:12   on my behalf i get something like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2172">TS</a>]

00:36:16   think sixty percent of it when Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:19   sells anything on my behalf I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:22   seventy percent of it or maybe a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2182">TS</a>]

00:36:25   later for subscriptions if I'm lucky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2185">TS</a>]

00:36:27   eighty-five percent of it when google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:31   pays me money it's money that I earned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:32   like you know six weeks ago that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2192">TS</a>]

00:36:34   finally got paid for when apple pays me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:36   my money it's again similarly about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:38   money I earned about six weeks ago with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2198">TS</a>]

00:36:40   these stripe ads i'm earning i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2200">TS</a>]

00:36:43   about ninety seven percent of what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:45   sell for and it gets deposited my bank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2205">TS</a>]

00:36:47   account in two days that's it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2207">TS</a>]

00:36:51   kind of amazing to be out of the like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2211">TS</a>]

00:36:53   walled garden ecosystem for once that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2213">TS</a>]

00:36:56   super cool so initial reaction things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2216">TS</a>]

00:36:59   are going great yeah how do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2219">TS</a>]

00:37:02   you're going to play with the pricing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:04   for now like are you going to i get i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:07   guess it let's suppose you sell out in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:09   the next 48 hours there's really no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:11   impetus to mess with pricing until the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2231">TS</a>]

00:37:14   end of the month unless you want to cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2234">TS</a>]

00:37:15   down on the people that asked to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:17   notified right i well I guess I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2237">TS</a>]

00:37:20   mean I probably a good business plan to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:22   cut down on the number of interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:24   parties but I guess what I'm saying is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2244">TS</a>]

00:37:26   there's no there's no reason for you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2246">TS</a>]

00:37:28   raise your prices now once you sell out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:30   unless you want to prevent people from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2250">TS</a>]

00:37:33   saying notify me you know let's say the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2253">TS</a>]

00:37:35   all goes from as we record it's less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:37   than a thousand dollars and let's say it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:39   becomes 3000 tomorrow all you're really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:42   accomplishing since it's sold out is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2262">TS</a>]

00:37:44   you're preventing me from being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2264">TS</a>]

00:37:45   interested because I maybe I would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:47   spent less than a thousand but I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2267">TS</a>]

00:37:48   going to spend three thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:49   you know what I mean so yeah you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2269">TS</a>]

00:37:51   really need to mess around with pricing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:52   for like 30 days right yeah I mean for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2272">TS</a>]

00:37:56   the most part like you know unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2276">TS</a>]

00:37:57   things are not selling that I might low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2277">TS</a>]

00:37:59   it right or not selling like that health [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2279">TS</a>]

00:38:01   category but you know for the most part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:04   I think I'm gonna treat this the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2284">TS</a>]

00:38:06   way I've treated any other kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2286">TS</a>]

00:38:07   where I set the price for an ad so our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:10   podcast ads you know my website ads when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2290">TS</a>]

00:38:13   I sold our RSS sponsorships things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2293">TS</a>]

00:38:15   that and the way I've done this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:16   basically is if they sell out way too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:19   fast when I go to sell them every is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:21   price a little bit until things start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:23   selling still a reasonable pace like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:25   don't want it to be like pulling teeth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2305">TS</a>]

00:38:26   to get things sold but slowly enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2306">TS</a>]

00:38:29   that it's not like a stampede and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:32   get 50 angry emails people saying oh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2312">TS</a>]

00:38:33   missed my chance to buy like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:35   that's that's no good either that's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:37   it's not great for business necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:38   so i think i'm just going to control the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2318">TS</a>]

00:38:42   prices slowly and you know maybe maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2322">TS</a>]

00:38:45   when next month rolls around i will you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2325">TS</a>]

00:38:48   know see how it sells at the new higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2328">TS</a>]

00:38:49   price from an hour ago instead of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:51   initial prices which will which are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2331">TS</a>]

00:38:52   about i think about thirty percent lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2332">TS</a>]

00:38:54   you know i'll see how it sells at these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2334">TS</a>]

00:38:57   new kind of higher prices and if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2337">TS</a>]

00:38:59   sells out just as fast then maybe for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:02   the month after that then maybe i'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:03   raise it a little bit more but if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2343">TS</a>]

00:39:06   selling out like at a reasonably healthy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2346">TS</a>]

00:39:08   rate then I'll just leave it the way it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2348">TS</a>]

00:39:10   is really you really nailed it this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2350">TS</a>]

00:39:12   looks great thanks so let's assume this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:16   is super successful for a year just for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2356">TS</a>]

00:39:18   the sake of discussion are you at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2358">TS</a>]

00:39:21   interested in expanding i think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2361">TS</a>]

00:39:23   talked about this a little bitter but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:23   are you all interested in expanding into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:26   being like i ad for other people so to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2366">TS</a>]

00:39:28   speak you know and and oh and either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2368">TS</a>]

00:39:31   white labeling your ad platform or just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2371">TS</a>]

00:39:34   extending your ad platform to anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2374">TS</a>]

00:39:36   elses at apps probably not I it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:40   like once you become an ad network for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2380">TS</a>]

00:39:42   other people that's a very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2382">TS</a>]

00:39:44   business and it's a much higher needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:46   business for you know just dealing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:48   people dealing with everyone else's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2388">TS</a>]

00:39:50   money dealing with staffing and doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:52   people's issues and it's a much bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2392">TS</a>]

00:39:55   business it's a much higher touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:56   business and this system I built kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2396">TS</a>]

00:40:00   in response to other types of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2400">TS</a>]

00:40:03   I've done where it's like you know for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2403">TS</a>]

00:40:05   like blog ads and podcast ads where a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2405">TS</a>]

00:40:06   lot of times you know you have to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:08   rehearse of sponsors you have to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2408">TS</a>]

00:40:11   know coordinate with them via four or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:12   five different emails you eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2412">TS</a>]

00:40:14   like put the ad and you're-- it you book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:16   the ad in your system you do the ad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2416">TS</a>]

00:40:17   you have to invoice them and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:19   might take six months to pay the invoice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:21   like we see we've seen the whole whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:24   spectrum some people pay the next day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2424">TS</a>]

00:40:25   some people pay a year later or not at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:27   all and it's a very just intensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:31   process and there are tools like fresh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2431">TS</a>]

00:40:33   books that make it easier but it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2433">TS</a>]

00:40:36   still a lot of just human work and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2436">TS</a>]

00:40:39   dealing with administration to just do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2439">TS</a>]

00:40:42   the basics of selling and getting paid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2442">TS</a>]

00:40:43   and so with this I I really created this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2443">TS</a>]

00:40:46   to be as simple as possible and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2446">TS</a>]

00:40:48   actually one thing's going to keep the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2448">TS</a>]

00:40:49   prices kind of low because most big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:53   companies who would sponsor things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2453">TS</a>]

00:40:55   this who would buy these ads if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:57   below a certain price oftentimes that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2457">TS</a>]

00:40:58   a thousand dollars it requires less of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2458">TS</a>]

00:41:01   process for them to approve the payment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:03   so you know a lot of times big companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:05   if you if it's more than that you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2465">TS</a>]

00:41:06   have to go through like an official you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:09   know requisition process or some other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2469">TS</a>]

00:41:10   you know garbage full of paperwork and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:12   overhead but if it's you know if it's if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2472">TS</a>]

00:41:16   it's lower if it's like a you know a sub [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2476">TS</a>]

00:41:19   one thousand dollar price for something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:20   a lot of times you can just put that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:22   a credit card and be done with it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:24   not have to worry too much about it so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2484">TS</a>]

00:41:26   want to keep these prices in that range [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2486">TS</a>]

00:41:28   so that way I can have the system i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2488">TS</a>]

00:41:31   now which is look if you want one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2491">TS</a>]

00:41:33   these it's self-serve you you go to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:35   site you set it up you pay right there I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2495">TS</a>]

00:41:39   don't even see it until you pay because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:41   I don't want to have to be chasing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2501">TS</a>]

00:41:42   down in a year you didn't pay your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:43   invoice ok I hate that so much and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2503">TS</a>]

00:41:47   like this system is very much like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2507">TS</a>]

00:41:49   keeping it as simple as it possibly can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2509">TS</a>]

00:41:50   keep it and part of that it requires the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2510">TS</a>]

00:41:53   prices be kind of low that definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:55   requires that everything remains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2515">TS</a>]

00:41:56   self-serve and it requires that not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2516">TS</a>]

00:41:58   lot that I'm doing involves human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2518">TS</a>]

00:42:00   interaction from me because if that's if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2520">TS</a>]

00:42:02   that's what it ends up needing to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:03   I'll have to hire someone else to help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2523">TS</a>]

00:42:05   me because I don't have the time to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2525">TS</a>]

00:42:07   dealing with a lot of effort into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2527">TS</a>]

00:42:09   system but in order to keep at that size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2529">TS</a>]

00:42:12   and that scale I basically have to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:15   it my appt only I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2535">TS</a>]

00:42:17   come an ad network for any other apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2537">TS</a>]

00:42:19   because that will that will by nature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2539">TS</a>]

00:42:21   make it a bigger more complicated thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:24   the prices would probably go up I'd have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2544">TS</a>]

00:42:26   to start dealing with people stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:27   invoice systems and I just don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:29   deal with that that's not the business I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:30   want to be in does makes a lot of sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:33   I you know the thing that impresses me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2553">TS</a>]

00:42:36   about you is that maybe I mean I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:38   a big wimp but the audacity of doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2558">TS</a>]

00:42:41   something like this like aw screw it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:42   I'll saw my own ads why not like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2562">TS</a>]

00:42:44   no way in a million years maybe I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2564">TS</a>]

00:42:47   have had the thought if I were in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2567">TS</a>]

00:42:48   shoes but I'd look at this and be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2568">TS</a>]

00:42:50   yeah I'm not gonna do that there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2570">TS</a>]

00:42:51   way that'll work and good then good on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2571">TS</a>]

00:42:54   you for not only having the the I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2574">TS</a>]

00:42:57   know fortitude to do it but to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2577">TS</a>]

00:43:00   happen it's so far seems successful like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:02   John has said I think the ticking time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:05   bomb is about a year away until you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2585">TS</a>]

00:43:07   another business model change so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2587">TS</a>]

00:43:08   canceled fail miserably I I don't I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:11   mostly doing as a joke is if it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:12   like Mara said if it continues like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2592">TS</a>]

00:43:14   or better like there's no reason to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:15   unless I don't like I said unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2595">TS</a>]

00:43:17   somehow it becomes too much of a burden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:19   for mark or deal with it I don't see how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2599">TS</a>]

00:43:21   it would because everything he just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:22   outlined about how he doesn't have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2602">TS</a>]

00:43:24   anything and doesn't have to chase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2604">TS</a>]

00:43:25   people for money and doesn't have to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:26   money on behalf of other people like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2606">TS</a>]

00:43:28   you know again maybe he's leaving money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:31   on the table by saying I'm going to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:33   to keep it in the in the petty cash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:34   range but if that's enough money then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2614">TS</a>]

00:43:36   it's fine and it should be sustainable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2616">TS</a>]

00:43:39   same could have probably been set up at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2619">TS</a>]

00:43:41   all the past plans so again we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2621">TS</a>]

00:43:42   wait to see how it's going to be but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:43   it actually continues like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2623">TS</a>]

00:43:45   sustainably I don't really see any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2625">TS</a>]

00:43:47   reason for him to change models yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2627">TS</a>]

00:43:50   completely because like the sales would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:52   have to go down a lot for it to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2632">TS</a>]

00:43:55   sense for me to look another model again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2635">TS</a>]

00:43:57   because right now I have pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2637">TS</a>]

00:43:59   everything I want I have a way to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2639">TS</a>]

00:44:02   sustainable income I have my peg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2642">TS</a>]

00:44:04   subscriber still which is it's only a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2644">TS</a>]

00:44:07   nice sustainable income that can almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2647">TS</a>]

00:44:09   support the whole business by itself so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2649">TS</a>]

00:44:12   this is kind of just bonus money and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:14   this is monetizing all the free users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2654">TS</a>]

00:44:15   finally in a way that actually works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2655">TS</a>]

00:44:16   because the ads really didn't do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2656">TS</a>]

00:44:19   well enough the other the previous ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2659">TS</a>]

00:44:20   so this is kind of a great system as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2660">TS</a>]

00:44:23   long as it continues to sell the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2663">TS</a>]

00:44:25   inventory at any reasonable rate and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2665">TS</a>]

00:44:29   know day one again it's it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2669">TS</a>]

00:44:31   possible to say I mean you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2671">TS</a>]

00:44:33   once you have the kind of audience that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2673">TS</a>]

00:44:35   my app has I i could sell out day one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:38   pretty easily but the question is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2678">TS</a>]

00:44:42   happens on day 365 when people have had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2682">TS</a>]

00:44:45   a year worth of buying these ads to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2685">TS</a>]

00:44:47   what they're actually worth and what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2687">TS</a>]

00:44:49   they're worth a lot less than what i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2689">TS</a>]

00:44:50   charging obviously have to lower my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2690">TS</a>]

00:44:51   prices but like what are they worth we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:53   don't know there I don't has ever been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:56   system where you could advertise for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2696">TS</a>]

00:44:59   podcast in a podcast player so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:01   really a complete unknown for both me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2701">TS</a>]

00:45:04   and the advertisers we have no idea what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2704">TS</a>]

00:45:07   what a subscriber is worth you know or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2707">TS</a>]

00:45:09   how much do you subscribers stick around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:11   all right you know if you get a sacar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2711">TS</a>]

00:45:13   through an ad are they you know how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2713">TS</a>]

00:45:15   of them are still subscribed in a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2715">TS</a>]

00:45:16   we don't know and so it's it's the great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2716">TS</a>]

00:45:19   unknown right now but day one suggests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2719">TS</a>]

00:45:23   that it's pretty that there's basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:25   a very wide buffer here for things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:30   need to be scaled down if necessary if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:32   it ends up the economics don't work very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2732">TS</a>]

00:45:34   well I can scale this way down and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2734">TS</a>]

00:45:36   still worth doing so that that to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2736">TS</a>]

00:45:40   shows that this is probably a good idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2740">TS</a>]

00:45:41   by the way those are other controls I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:44   have like I can increase the number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:46   slots that sell you know like in certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2746">TS</a>]

00:45:49   categories if they if they demand that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2749">TS</a>]

00:45:52   the price be below a certain level to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2752">TS</a>]

00:45:54   sell them very often I can just put more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2754">TS</a>]

00:45:56   slots there you know like this is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2756">TS</a>]

00:45:58   is a known thing to do like Pete you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2758">TS</a>]

00:46:00   know people have been dealing with AD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2760">TS</a>]

00:46:01   based businesses of quite a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:03   now we know how to do it and as long as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2763">TS</a>]

00:46:05   the ads are valuable at all you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2765">TS</a>]

00:46:09   usually make it work and and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2769">TS</a>]

00:46:11   what we're seeing so far is it I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2771">TS</a>]

00:46:12   these are valuable the only question is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:13   just how valuable and that but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2773">TS</a>]

00:46:16   really just minor tweaks over time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:17   that's not like having to rethink the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2777">TS</a>]

00:46:18   whole system yeah that's super cool I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2778">TS</a>]

00:46:21   really impressed really proud of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2781">TS</a>]

00:46:23   good work thanks a couple of very quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2783">TS</a>]

00:46:26   questions would you consider open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2786">TS</a>]

00:46:28   sourcing this ad back end so that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2788">TS</a>]

00:46:30   people can copy all your hard work for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2790">TS</a>]

00:46:32   free probably not but it's not out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:35   like a like a guarding my hard work kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2795">TS</a>]

00:46:38   of attitude it's more just like a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:40   it is pretty intertwined with overcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2800">TS</a>]

00:46:41   so it wouldn't make a lot of sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:44   for this to be used for anybody else you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:47   know like this is really an ad network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2807">TS</a>]

00:46:48   for podcasts on overcast that happens to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:51   also work for websites so like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:54   it's not it's pretty custom to overcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:57   and most of the hard stuff is payment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2817">TS</a>]

00:47:01   processing which I don't even wish the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:03   seal anybody can integrates directed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2823">TS</a>]

00:47:05   that so it's yeah I just had a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2825">TS</a>]

00:47:08   value to that fair enough and finally uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2828">TS</a>]

00:47:11   where's my swipe to delete I was doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:14   this so I haven't done that yet I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2834">TS</a>]

00:47:16   gonna tackle that probably next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:18   it's got 30 days to do swipe to delete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2838">TS</a>]

00:47:19   is that how this works yeah well I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:22   29 days to do it then one day to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2842">TS</a>]

00:47:24   all these notifications fair enough I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:26   take back all the nice things he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:28   unless you give me my swipe to delete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:30   one star we respond to this week by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2850">TS</a>]

00:47:35   Casper an obsessively engineered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2855">TS</a>]

00:47:37   mattress at a shockingly fair price go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2857">TS</a>]

00:47:39   to Casper calm / ATP and use code ATP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2859">TS</a>]

00:47:42   for fifty dollars towards your mattress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2862">TS</a>]

00:47:45   Casper created one perfect mattress sold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2865">TS</a>]

00:47:48   it directly to consumers and eliminated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2868">TS</a>]

00:47:50   Commission driven inflated prices the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2870">TS</a>]

00:47:52   award-winning Casper mattress was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:53   developed in house with a sleek design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2873">TS</a>]

00:47:56   and is delivered in a remarkably small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2876">TS</a>]

00:47:58   box you can get it up narrow stairs if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2878">TS</a>]

00:47:59   you have to Casper has revolutionize the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:01   industry by cut in the cost of dealing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2881">TS</a>]

00:48:03   with all these resellers and passing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:04   that savings directly on to you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:07   in-house team of Casper engineers spent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:08   thousands of hours developing the Casper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:10   mattress it contains supportive memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2890">TS</a>]

00:48:12   foams for a sleep surface with just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:15   right sink and just the right bounce and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:17   it's breathable design sleeves cool to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2897">TS</a>]

00:48:19   help you regulate your temperature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:20   throughout the night Casper has also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2900">TS</a>]

00:48:22   made buying mattresses online which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2902">TS</a>]

00:48:24   sounds kind of crazy completely easy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2904">TS</a>]

00:48:27   risk-free they have free delivery in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:29   that nice and small box and free returns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2909">TS</a>]

00:48:31   within a hundred night home trial if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2911">TS</a>]

00:48:34   don't love it within a hundred nights of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:36   sleeping on it they will arrange for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2916">TS</a>]

00:48:39   to be picked up at your house and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:40   they'll give you a full refund Casper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2920">TS</a>]

00:48:43   understand the importance of truly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2923">TS</a>]

00:48:45   sleeping on our mattress before you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:46   commit because you're gonna be spending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2926">TS</a>]

00:48:47   a third of your life on it get yours and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:49   try it for a hundred nights in your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:51   home with free delivery and free returns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:53   with home pick up completely risk-free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:56   go to casper calm / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2936">TS</a>]

00:48:58   ATP use code ATP for fifty dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2938">TS</a>]

00:49:01   towards your mattress terms and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2941">TS</a>]

00:49:03   conditions do apply once again Casper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2943">TS</a>]

00:49:05   calm / ATP and code ATP thank you very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2945">TS</a>]

00:49:08   much to Casper for sponsoring our show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2948">TS</a>]

00:49:10   so today I think what's today um there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2950">TS</a>]

00:49:17   was a rumor that broke that came out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2957">TS</a>]

00:49:20   the wall street journal which is usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:22   pretty well sourced in fact usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:24   well-sourced enough that we all kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2964">TS</a>]

00:49:26   believe that Apple goes to the wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2966">TS</a>]

00:49:27   street journal and says hey would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2967">TS</a>]

00:49:29   talk about this please and the Wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:31   Street Journal has said that the iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2971">TS</a>]

00:49:33   8 or whatever it may be called will have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2973">TS</a>]

00:49:37   us bc and at first i thought oh this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2977">TS</a>]

00:49:41   means that it will have lightning on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2981">TS</a>]

00:49:43   phone and USB see on the other end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:46   the cable instead of via USB what is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2986">TS</a>]

00:49:48   be a i always get it confused hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:50   whatever the day thank you whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2990">TS</a>]

00:49:51   today is B is the Pentagon on printers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:54   all right ok so anyway so I assumed oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2994">TS</a>]

00:49:58   that just means that the cable will go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/2998">TS</a>]

00:50:00   from lightning to USB see that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3000">TS</a>]

00:50:02   sense most pretty much all the laptops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3002">TS</a>]

00:50:03   or USB see now fine but upon further [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3003">TS</a>]

00:50:06   inspection it sounds like no no the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:08   phone itself will actually be us bc and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3008">TS</a>]

00:50:12   I have really conflicting opinions about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3012">TS</a>]

00:50:15   this because my gut reaction is no no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3015">TS</a>]

00:50:20   do not want this I have a crudload of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3020">TS</a>]

00:50:22   lightning cables lightning is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3022">TS</a>]

00:50:25   small and I don't want to mess with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3025">TS</a>]

00:50:28   what good does this do me and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:30   that that's in large part because off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:33   the top of my head I don't think I own a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:36   single device that supports USB see so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:40   guess you could make the argument i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:42   living in the past and if you make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:44   argument on living in the past and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:45   guess really this is the future and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3045">TS</a>]

00:50:47   maybe i should be using us bc and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:51   should embrace my future us bc overlords [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3051">TS</a>]

00:50:53   so John Mark when I were talking a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:56   earlier what do you think about all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3056">TS</a>]

00:50:58   this is a weird rumor because like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3058">TS</a>]

00:51:04   said is in the wall street journal which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:06   is usually like the the end the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3066">TS</a>]

00:51:08   stage of life for rumors if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:09   graduate all the way up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3069">TS</a>]

00:51:11   Anjali and end up in the wall street [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3071">TS</a>]

00:51:13   journal but as so many people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3073">TS</a>]

00:51:15   pointed out it is so poorly written the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:18   bikini men tell it's like it was written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:19   by someone who doesn't understand any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3079">TS</a>]

00:51:22   the things involved they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:23   understand how phones work they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:24   understand what these different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:26   standards for connectors are they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:27   understand what a port is because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3087">TS</a>]

00:51:29   wrote it in such a way they were all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3089">TS</a>]

00:51:30   reading it going what what are you even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:32   trying to say just like Casey said are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:35   you just saying that the other end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3095">TS</a>]

00:51:37   the connector will be C are you saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3097">TS</a>]

00:51:39   the phone will have USBC port are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3099">TS</a>]

00:51:41   saying i pads will have USB seaports in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3101">TS</a>]

00:51:43   addition to the lighting but like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3103">TS</a>]

00:51:44   do you what are you even saying this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3104">TS</a>]

00:51:45   the worst leak ever like you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3105">TS</a>]

00:51:47   leak in a coherent way so we can at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3107">TS</a>]

00:51:50   least understand the thing that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3110">TS</a>]

00:51:51   telling us is supposed to be coming but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:53   so I've kind of discounted or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:56   discounted but I've set aside how this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:59   rumor is being communicated I've chosen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:00   to believe that what these things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3120">TS</a>]

00:52:02   trying to tell us is exactly what Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:04   said and that if you pick up an iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3124">TS</a>]

00:52:06   in the future and look at the bottom of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3126">TS</a>]

00:52:08   it instead of a lightning port you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3128">TS</a>]

00:52:10   see a USBC port like every other you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3130">TS</a>]

00:52:12   know android phone and all the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:13   things that are out there right that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3133">TS</a>]

00:52:15   what I'm choosing to to think this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3135">TS</a>]

00:52:17   trying to tell me and then I'm thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:19   about that if it's trying to tell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3139">TS</a>]

00:52:20   something different like oh that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:22   know the other end of the lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3142">TS</a>]

00:52:24   cable is going to be us bc that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3144">TS</a>]

00:52:26   super boring rumor and i guess we could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:28   kind of get upset about that because as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:29   has been pointed out in many places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:30   before that's cool for apples ecosystem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3150">TS</a>]

00:52:33   and it kind of makes sense and it kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3153">TS</a>]

00:52:35   of gets back to the whole iphone 7 thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3155">TS</a>]

00:52:36   we're like oh you buy an iphone 7 a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:38   macbook pro you can't even plug them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3158">TS</a>]

00:52:39   because there's no place to put the USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3159">TS</a>]

00:52:40   a connector that's true and all but USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3160">TS</a>]

00:52:43   a is everywhere as a charging port it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:45   on my luggage for crying out loud like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3165">TS</a>]

00:52:48   it is everywhere so there's an argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3168">TS</a>]

00:52:52   to be had there that Apple doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3172">TS</a>]

00:52:54   would be maybe an apple thing to do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3174">TS</a>]

00:52:56   be like oh you should just you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3176">TS</a>]

00:52:57   should be in an Apple ecosystem are our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3177">TS</a>]

00:52:59   power bricks have us bc connectors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:01   that's the future i'll blog anyway i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3181">TS</a>]

00:53:04   ignoring that I'm just pretending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3184">TS</a>]

00:53:05   they're telling me that there's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3185">TS</a>]

00:53:06   be USBC port on iPhones and I I'm of two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:12   minds on this like I feel like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:14   there are strong arguments on both sides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3194">TS</a>]

00:53:16   both strong arguments for why this would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:19   be good and bad and also surprisingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3199">TS</a>]

00:53:21   strong arguments for why Apple wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:23   wouldn't do this like usually it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3203">TS</a>]

00:53:25   it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:25   the opposite it's like okay well there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:27   arguments for and against on a tech wise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3207">TS</a>]

00:53:29   but then when you bring apple into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:31   picture you say what apple do this like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3211">TS</a>]

00:53:32   this is the only one strong argument for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:35   like that text up aside we know Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:38   would definitely do a thing like this or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:40   would never do a thing like this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:41   with Apple an estate it is I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3221">TS</a>]

00:53:46   can look to apple and say very strongly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3226">TS</a>]

00:53:49   they both would do something like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:50   and wouldn't do something like this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3230">TS</a>]

00:53:52   for the tech you can say this is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:53   awesome tech idea this is a bad tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:55   idea so for on the tech side obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3235">TS</a>]

00:53:58   why is this a bad idea because lighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3238">TS</a>]

00:54:01   is smaller and you know that every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3241">TS</a>]

00:54:04   connector every millimeter on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:05   connector is some number of months or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:08   years off its life as Apple makes things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:10   ever thinner and thinner you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:12   hit the limit of us bc before you at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:14   limit of lightning not much before it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:16   like probably like fractions of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:17   millimeter or something but a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3257">TS</a>]

00:54:19   before lightning is smaller than USB say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:21   so there's that on the other side of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3261">TS</a>]

00:54:24   tech thing and this is a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:25   an unknown here lightning we don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3265">TS</a>]

00:54:28   how unreliable lightning is like we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:31   anecdotal evidence of weird connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:33   scorching and stuff Apple knows for sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:35   what their warranty repair thing is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:37   know and also the Apple cables [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3277">TS</a>]

00:54:39   themselves which really has nothing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3279">TS</a>]

00:54:40   do with connector and everything to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:41   with apples uncomfortable relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3281">TS</a>]

00:54:44   with strain really fun cables where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3284">TS</a>]

00:54:47   apparently make things that don't hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3287">TS</a>]

00:54:49   up that well when the under you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:51   under rough usage but there is a tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3291">TS</a>]

00:54:55   argument to be made for you know for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:58   fact that lightning is smaller but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3298">TS</a>]

00:55:01   the fact that USB USB c and someone will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:04   correct me if i'm wrong it inverts the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3304">TS</a>]

00:55:06   relationship of springing pieces of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3306">TS</a>]

00:55:08   metal and stationary pieces of metal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3308">TS</a>]

00:55:10   where the connector is stationary and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3310">TS</a>]

00:55:12   solid and has these contacts on it which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3312">TS</a>]

00:55:14   is great and makes that connector of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3314">TS</a>]

00:55:15   sturdy but the inside of the device has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3315">TS</a>]

00:55:17   the little springy metal fingers that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3317">TS</a>]

00:55:19   touch the contact points so if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3319">TS</a>]

00:55:21   little springing metal fingers get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3321">TS</a>]

00:55:23   fatigued or bent up or fail to make good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3323">TS</a>]

00:55:26   contact that's inside your phone you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3326">TS</a>]

00:55:29   a problem whereas us b/c connector is i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:32   believe the springy bits are in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3332">TS</a>]

00:55:34   cable and inside the connector is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3334">TS</a>]

00:55:36   stiff stationary thing i'm using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3336">TS</a>]

00:55:38   hectic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3338">TS</a>]

00:55:38   for all this I'm sure and so if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3338">TS</a>]

00:55:41   little springy bits that make contact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3341">TS</a>]

00:55:43   with the stationary thing fatigue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:45   throughout the cable and get a new cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:47   so that that is a tech argument on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:50   side of us bc and then again I guess on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3350">TS</a>]

00:55:54   the connectors themselves you've got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3354">TS</a>]

00:55:56   you know the business side of like Oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3356">TS</a>]

00:55:58   Apple gets money for lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3358">TS</a>]

00:55:59   connectors people can make peripherals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3359">TS</a>]

00:56:00   without it that's a good and a bad thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:01   because good Apple makes money and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3361">TS</a>]

00:56:03   control it it's bad that Apple has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3363">TS</a>]

00:56:04   approve every peripheral yeah so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3364">TS</a>]

00:56:09   like you could their arguments about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3369">TS</a>]

00:56:12   side for the tech thing and then with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3372">TS</a>]

00:56:13   move over to Apple is this a thing Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3373">TS</a>]

00:56:15   would do or is this an apple thing Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3375">TS</a>]

00:56:17   wouldn't do and I think probably as soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3377">TS</a>]

00:56:20   as like a couple years in the past we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3380">TS</a>]

00:56:22   all would have said regardless of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3382">TS</a>]

00:56:25   that tech stuff we just talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3385">TS</a>]

00:56:26   Apple will never do this because Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3386">TS</a>]

00:56:29   loves things super thin and Apple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:30   things proprietary and Apple is not so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:33   much in love with conforming to industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3393">TS</a>]

00:56:35   standards just for the hell of it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:37   that would that would be the only side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3397">TS</a>]

00:56:39   of this argument it all be like yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3399">TS</a>]

00:56:40   totally like that's the Apple but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:41   today's Apple today's Apple is doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3401">TS</a>]

00:56:45   things the old apple didn't do both good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3405">TS</a>]

00:56:48   and bad and has sowed enough doubt in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3408">TS</a>]

00:56:50   mind that I I'm now envisioning these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3410">TS</a>]

00:56:53   boardroom conversations where somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3413">TS</a>]

00:56:56   high-ups it says tell me again what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3416">TS</a>]

00:56:59   advantages are of the our proprietary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:03   lightning connector versus us bc and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3423">TS</a>]

00:57:05   maybe this comes up because of large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3425">TS</a>]

00:57:08   numbers of warranty repairs or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:10   who knows what the inciting incident is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3430">TS</a>]

00:57:12   but someone says remind me again what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3432">TS</a>]

00:57:15   we've been doing this lightning thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3435">TS</a>]

00:57:16   for five years like what advantage do we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:18   continue to have over over us bc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3438">TS</a>]

00:57:21   especially now that we spread us bc to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:24   all of our you know all of our macs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3444">TS</a>]

00:57:27   our power brick connectors and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3447">TS</a>]

00:57:29   all that stuff and presumably if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:32   ever released new macs they will expand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3452">TS</a>]

00:57:34   it even more of them why are we still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:36   using lightning in not saying that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3456">TS</a>]

00:57:38   a reason but just you know just go over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3458">TS</a>]

00:57:40   it again for me like tell me again what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3460">TS</a>]

00:57:42   the advantages are great if it's el [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3462">TS</a>]

00:57:43   mocambo like here's our revenue from our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:44   made for iphone program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3464">TS</a>]

00:57:46   and here's what we've been able to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3466">TS</a>]

00:57:48   with the connector but changing the pins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3468">TS</a>]

00:57:49   through software and we're not beholden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3469">TS</a>]

00:57:51   to the USB consortium in here this love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:53   habla and maybe there's an argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3473">TS</a>]

00:57:58   within the company so that's those are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3478">TS</a>]

00:58:00   compelling arguments and now here's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:01   we would get with us bc everywhere would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3481">TS</a>]

00:58:02   be the same one connector for power data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:06   peripherals video out at adapters for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3486">TS</a>]

00:58:11   networking like across max and all ass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3491">TS</a>]

00:58:14   devices including the future much bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3494">TS</a>]

00:58:16   iPads that were surely making with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:18   multiple USB connectors on them right an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3498">TS</a>]

00:58:20   apple make a mouse yeah other person to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3500">TS</a>]

00:58:23   make that once you once you standardize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:26   on just literally one omnidirectional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3506">TS</a>]

00:58:28   connector that's really small across all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3508">TS</a>]

00:58:31   your products that's that's an advantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3511">TS</a>]

00:58:34   and you you get to take advantage of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3514">TS</a>]

00:58:37   ecosystem of existing USBC peripherals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3517">TS</a>]

00:58:39   which presumably will only grow as other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:42   things adopt it so an apple five years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3522">TS</a>]

00:58:45   ago I can't imagine this discussion even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3525">TS</a>]

00:58:46   taking place in serious ways apple today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:49   I can imagine this discussion being had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3529">TS</a>]

00:58:51   prompted by whatever and I can imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3531">TS</a>]

00:58:53   the USBC contingent inside Apple winning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3533">TS</a>]

00:58:55   the argument and saying we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3535">TS</a>]

00:58:58   go with the industry standard even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3538">TS</a>]

00:58:59   though it is worse than a few ways tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3539">TS</a>]

00:59:01   wise because it's also better in a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3541">TS</a>]

00:59:03   ways tech wise and there's an ecosystem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3543">TS</a>]

00:59:05   advantage not just for apple and non [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:07   apple companies but for Apple's own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3547">TS</a>]

00:59:10   products internally to standardize them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3550">TS</a>]

00:59:12   one because it's never been this never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3552">TS</a>]

00:59:13   been a chance to do that before at no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3553">TS</a>]

00:59:15   time in the past has there been any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3555">TS</a>]

00:59:17   viable choice for a standard connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3557">TS</a>]

00:59:19   for like iPods and all macs except for I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3559">TS</a>]

00:59:22   guess when it was firewire but that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3562">TS</a>]

00:59:23   part I was hardly viable and firewire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3563">TS</a>]

00:59:25   was definitely not the standard across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3565">TS</a>]

00:59:26   all macs that Max's the demon have it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3566">TS</a>]

00:59:28   it so here we are and I find myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3568">TS</a>]

00:59:32   incredibly believing a rumor that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3572">TS</a>]

00:59:35   drive phone would have a USBC connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3575">TS</a>]

00:59:37   on it because you know it's not it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3577">TS</a>]

00:59:39   a slam dunk and I'm not even saying it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3579">TS</a>]

00:59:41   higher than 5050 but i would i would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:42   it is fifty-fifty in my mind that tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3582">TS</a>]

00:59:45   wise coin flip would Apple do it coin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3585">TS</a>]

00:59:49   flip that's that's where I come down on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3589">TS</a>]

00:59:51   us do you want them to I kind of do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3591">TS</a>]

00:59:54   because if they're going to standardize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3594">TS</a>]

00:59:58   on us bc everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3598">TS</a>]

00:59:58   on us bc everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3598">TS</a>]

01:00:00   the I'm sold on the uniformity win and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:02   I'm also kind of sort of sold on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3602">TS</a>]

01:00:06   durability win with the little bendy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3606">TS</a>]

01:00:08   finger things and I have no I have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3608">TS</a>]

01:00:10   data on the right liability thing and of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3610">TS</a>]

01:00:12   course well my connector is still work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3612">TS</a>]

01:00:14   and I don't have these problems that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3614">TS</a>]

01:00:15   people have to do of price you know yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3615">TS</a>]

01:00:18   well though my wife said she had one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3618">TS</a>]

01:00:19   hers that had the little scorch mark I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3619">TS</a>]

01:00:21   looked at it it wasn't like wasn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3621">TS</a>]

01:00:22   part was was but that you just just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:25   mechanically speaking like I love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3625">TS</a>]

01:00:27   Lightning activated was solid and didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3627">TS</a>]

01:00:29   have any little fragile Pinzon and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3629">TS</a>]

01:00:30   everything but the fact that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3630">TS</a>]

01:00:32   those little things those little fragile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3632">TS</a>]

01:00:33   fingers are inside the phones I can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3633">TS</a>]

01:00:35   that being prompted a right I don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3635">TS</a>]

01:00:37   data on this but I'm willing to believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3637">TS</a>]

01:00:40   and so if they did it I won't be angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3640">TS</a>]

01:00:42   I'll be kind of proud of them for being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3642">TS</a>]

01:00:45   surprisingly pragmatic and courageous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3645">TS</a>]

01:00:48   and for ya kind of kind of not so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3648">TS</a>]

01:00:52   courageous in terms of like like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3652">TS</a>]

01:00:53   willing to take the heat because I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3653">TS</a>]

01:00:55   they wouldn't actually that's the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3655">TS</a>]

01:00:56   aspect to this some people were going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3656">TS</a>]

01:00:58   me like you just changed the connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3658">TS</a>]

01:01:01   you're changing it again well first of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3661">TS</a>]

01:01:03   all just as a relative term like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3663">TS</a>]

01:01:05   30-pin connector was around for almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3665">TS</a>]

01:01:07   ten years and so you know that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3667">TS</a>]

01:01:10   that's a good run this is slightly more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3670">TS</a>]

01:01:13   than half of that it's if they ended up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3673">TS</a>]

01:01:15   swapping this out and slowly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3675">TS</a>]

01:01:16   transitioning it would be like five six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3676">TS</a>]

01:01:17   years by the time they were done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3677">TS</a>]

01:01:18   transitioning everything right all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3678">TS</a>]

01:01:20   products they sold that's a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3680">TS</a>]

01:01:22   that's you know it's shorter than a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:24   30-pin but unlike the 30 pin to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3684">TS</a>]

01:01:28   lightning they wouldn't be changing one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3688">TS</a>]

01:01:30   proprietary connector for another they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3690">TS</a>]

01:01:32   would actually be moving to where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3692">TS</a>]

01:01:33   everybody else already is so I can't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3693">TS</a>]

01:01:36   think actually people wouldn't be all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3696">TS</a>]

01:01:37   that mad about yes you'll be mad all I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3697">TS</a>]

01:01:38   have leave lightning cables what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3698">TS</a>]

01:01:40   hell do I do with them right but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3700">TS</a>]

01:01:42   is a wit there is a PR and real win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3702">TS</a>]

01:01:44   there to say but we move to the standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3704">TS</a>]

01:01:47   we move to the industry standard so now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3707">TS</a>]

01:01:49   you know if you're in a mixed household [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3709">TS</a>]

01:01:51   Android and iOS device you don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:52   have two separate charging cables and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3712">TS</a>]

01:01:54   the thing that you use to charge your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3714">TS</a>]

01:01:56   Mac can also charge your phone and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3716">TS</a>]

01:01:58   there's a you know there's a story to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3718">TS</a>]

01:02:01   had there to sell this so that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:03   less impact so that it's basically even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3723">TS</a>]

01:02:05   though it hasn't been around for 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3725">TS</a>]

01:02:07   years we're not moving to another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3727">TS</a>]

01:02:08   proprietary one we're not screwing your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3728">TS</a>]

01:02:10   movie the interest and so people will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3730">TS</a>]

01:02:12   less angry for a shorter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3732">TS</a>]

01:02:13   period of time I think Marco yeah I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:17   pretty much agree with John if you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3737">TS</a>]

01:02:20   have asked me a year ago I would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3740">TS</a>]

01:02:21   said all that why would they kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:23   anything that's dumb in this moment copy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3743">TS</a>]

01:02:24   your grab might have said it after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3744">TS</a>]

01:02:25   who knows but the way I feel about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3745">TS</a>]

01:02:28   now like it's what you know that now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3748">TS</a>]

01:02:29   that I've had my my USB see macbook pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3749">TS</a>]

01:02:32   for a few months and I've I have a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3752">TS</a>]

01:02:35   USBC cables and now I had the stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:37   thing where I have like half of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3757">TS</a>]

01:02:38   cables are that car and half for another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3758">TS</a>]

01:02:40   cry and its really annoying and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3760">TS</a>]

01:02:43   on the phone it's a little bit different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3763">TS</a>]

01:02:45   than like a laptop because it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3765">TS</a>]

01:02:46   other end of the cable but it is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3766">TS</a>]

01:02:49   annoying when I'm packing for a trip and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3769">TS</a>]

01:02:51   I'm packing my charging cables that most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3771">TS</a>]

01:02:54   of what i use charges via lightning but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:58   not all of what i use i still have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3778">TS</a>]

01:02:59   have a u.s. you know some mini USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3779">TS</a>]

01:03:01   cables and now i have a USBC cable for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3781">TS</a>]

01:03:04   this new laptop and probably anything i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3784">TS</a>]

01:03:06   get in the future will be USBC cables [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3786">TS</a>]

01:03:08   there is a lot you know like the EU has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3788">TS</a>]

01:03:10   mandated certain charge cable standards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3790">TS</a>]

01:03:13   for a while and the reason why is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3793">TS</a>]

01:03:14   because this actually generates tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3794">TS</a>]

01:03:17   waste like all the different like waste [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3797">TS</a>]

01:03:20   cables that people have to you know buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3800">TS</a>]

01:03:22   separately and then we're at separately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3802">TS</a>]

01:03:24   if their own way and have all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3804">TS</a>]

01:03:26   different connectors and everything it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3806">TS</a>]

01:03:28   actually does hurt progress on a number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3808">TS</a>]

01:03:30   of big ways to have all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:31   proprietary things I think all you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3811">TS</a>]

01:03:34   to do to decide whether this is a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3814">TS</a>]

01:03:36   idea or not kind of in like in theory is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3816">TS</a>]

01:03:39   to think like if they were designing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3819">TS</a>]

01:03:42   iphone 5 the first cable if the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3822">TS</a>]

01:03:45   phone not to use the dock connector if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3825">TS</a>]

01:03:46   they were designing that today would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3826">TS</a>]

01:03:49   they still make lightning today in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3829">TS</a>]

01:03:52   world where USBC exists or would they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3832">TS</a>]

01:03:54   just use us bc and it's kind of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3834">TS</a>]

01:03:56   if you do the metal exercise like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3836">TS</a>]

01:03:58   would be like the right thing to do if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3838">TS</a>]

01:04:00   they were if they had a clean start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3840">TS</a>]

01:04:02   today if there was no legacy to worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3842">TS</a>]

01:04:03   about no established devices out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3843">TS</a>]

01:04:05   on the world what would be like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3845">TS</a>]

01:04:08   right choice and i think it's very clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3848">TS</a>]

01:04:10   USPSA for the right choice you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3850">TS</a>]

01:04:12   assuming it is probably more resilient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3852">TS</a>]

01:04:14   because of you know having the pins on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3854">TS</a>]

01:04:16   the cable and so instead of the plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3856">TS</a>]

01:04:17   things like that but also just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3857">TS</a>]

01:04:20   it is clearly a really good very soon to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3860">TS</a>]

01:04:25   be very widespread industry standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3865">TS</a>]

01:04:27   and there's a lot of benefits to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:29   like Apple does love a good proprietary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3869">TS</a>]

01:04:32   port but when they can make one they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3872">TS</a>]

01:04:34   love that they'll take it took advantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3874">TS</a>]

01:04:36   when they can but not always sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3876">TS</a>]

01:04:39   they just use standard things like us be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3879">TS</a>]

01:04:41   like on the max like you know they for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3881">TS</a>]

01:04:43   long time they used a standard headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3883">TS</a>]

01:04:45   jack because that it wasn't worth making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3885">TS</a>]

01:04:48   their own custom headphone jack like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3888">TS</a>]

01:04:51   world had a standard for this thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3891">TS</a>]

01:04:52   they used it and most of the time they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3892">TS</a>]

01:04:55   do that most of the time that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3895">TS</a>]

01:04:57   choice they make and right now I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3897">TS</a>]

01:04:59   it's very very clear that you like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3899">TS</a>]

01:05:02   they made the dock connector that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3902">TS</a>]

01:05:03   special purpose thing they made for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3903">TS</a>]

01:05:04   ipods they and they later adapted it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3904">TS</a>]

01:05:06   when they made lightning there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3906">TS</a>]

01:05:08   nothing better for them to move to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3908">TS</a>]

01:05:09   the industry the any of the USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3909">TS</a>]

01:05:11   consortium and their people were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3911">TS</a>]

01:05:12   designing god knows what with all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3912">TS</a>]

01:05:14   crazy like like the USB 3 b connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3914">TS</a>]

01:05:17   mini micro USB the the seven connectors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3917">TS</a>]

01:05:20   i have to my digital cameras in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3920">TS</a>]

01:05:22   house yeah it looks almost the same yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3922">TS</a>]

01:05:24   and that like pretty much everything the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3924">TS</a>]

01:05:26   USB people have ever designed from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3926">TS</a>]

01:05:28   cable perspective or from a country [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3928">TS</a>]

01:05:29   perspective rather has been horrendous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3929">TS</a>]

01:05:31   before us pc it's no coincidence that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3931">TS</a>]

01:05:34   Apple allegedly had a very big role in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3934">TS</a>]

01:05:36   USBC possibly even designed the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3936">TS</a>]

01:05:37   thing themselves and just like handing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3937">TS</a>]

01:05:39   it to the USB people saying here if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3939">TS</a>]

01:05:40   that's another reason by the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3940">TS</a>]

01:05:41   this argument could be one inside Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3941">TS</a>]

01:05:43   because whatever sort of not invented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3943">TS</a>]

01:05:45   here Apple pride things may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3945">TS</a>]

01:05:47   preventing it like with lightning we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3947">TS</a>]

01:05:49   made that be like we kind of made us bc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3949">TS</a>]

01:05:51   too so yeah we're all good and we're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3951">TS</a>]

01:05:53   good in the pride area even if the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3953">TS</a>]

01:05:55   doesn't know it we here at Apple know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3955">TS</a>]

01:05:56   that we kind of made this too so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3956">TS</a>]

01:05:59   there's another that that's why I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3959">TS</a>]

01:06:01   imagine this argument big one inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3961">TS</a>]

01:06:02   Apple exactly and so today no question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3962">TS</a>]

01:06:07   the right move if you were starting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3967">TS</a>]

01:06:08   fresh would be us bc and so the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3968">TS</a>]

01:06:11   question is is it worth it for Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3971">TS</a>]

01:06:15   endure the transition costs to get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3975">TS</a>]

01:06:17   that point and I think you know Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3977">TS</a>]

01:06:22   you know I made a joke about courage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3982">TS</a>]

01:06:23   earlier referring to there they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3983">TS</a>]

01:06:24   wonderful just justification for moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3984">TS</a>]

01:06:26   the headphone jack but I think ditching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3986">TS</a>]

01:06:29   lightning this year and going to us bc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3989">TS</a>]

01:06:31   in this new fancy phone that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3991">TS</a>]

01:06:34   real courage because they are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3994">TS</a>]

01:06:36   hear about it from the users if they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3996">TS</a>]

01:06:37   is they are definitely going to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3997">TS</a>]

01:06:39   from people i mean people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/3999">TS</a>]

01:06:41   mad today about lightning I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4001">TS</a>]

01:06:43   they're still mad almost five years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4003">TS</a>]

01:06:46   later that they can't use their dock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4006">TS</a>]

01:06:48   connector that they bought ten years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4008">TS</a>]

01:06:50   to charge their iphone I do hope though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4010">TS</a>]

01:06:52   like maybe I bought his numbers in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4012">TS</a>]

01:06:53   because Android phones are super risky I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4013">TS</a>]

01:06:55   think I saw like what their market share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4015">TS</a>]

01:06:57   is among smartphones I think it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4017">TS</a>]

01:06:58   eighty percent or something it's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4018">TS</a>]

01:06:59   really really high number I'm hoping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4019">TS</a>]

01:07:02   that every house that has some high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4022">TS</a>]

01:07:05   percentage of the houses that have angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4025">TS</a>]

01:07:06   people who are angry about like dropping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4026">TS</a>]

01:07:08   lightning the they'll be USBC charging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4028">TS</a>]

01:07:11   cables hanging around within a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4031">TS</a>]

01:07:12   years to charge the android phones mass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4032">TS</a>]

01:07:14   exactly and so if you think about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4034">TS</a>]

01:07:16   what does an all USBC world look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4036">TS</a>]

01:07:19   well we're already gonna be halfway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4039">TS</a>]

01:07:21   there because all android phones are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4041">TS</a>]

01:07:23   going to have it if they don't already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4043">TS</a>]

01:07:24   they're gonna have it you know probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4044">TS</a>]

01:07:25   the next year right and so like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4045">TS</a>]

01:07:28   gonna start seeing now in you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4048">TS</a>]

01:07:30   places like like you know like hotel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4050">TS</a>]

01:07:33   nightstands and like charging cables in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4053">TS</a>]

01:07:36   like airports and and like terminals and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4056">TS</a>]

01:07:38   stuff like that like you're gonna start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4058">TS</a>]

01:07:40   seeing you know where we're used to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4060">TS</a>]

01:07:41   maybe you'd have a lightning port or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4061">TS</a>]

01:07:44   lightning cable and maybe you have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4064">TS</a>]

01:07:45   of those dual like lightning and micro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4065">TS</a>]

01:07:46   USB things you're gonna start seeing us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4066">TS</a>]

01:07:49   bc all over all those things now for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4069">TS</a>]

01:07:51   the android phones and wouldn't it be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4071">TS</a>]

01:07:53   great if they could just do us bc and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4073">TS</a>]

01:07:56   have that cover although that would just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4076">TS</a>]

01:07:58   be the new standard for charging your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4078">TS</a>]

01:08:01   phone but that would be amazing i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4081">TS</a>]

01:08:04   apple had big plans for lightning for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4084">TS</a>]

01:08:06   being this like amazing universal report [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4086">TS</a>]

01:08:09   that could do all these different data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4089">TS</a>]

01:08:10   things and everything and i think part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4090">TS</a>]

01:08:11   of the justification for removing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4091">TS</a>]

01:08:14   headphone jack last year was you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4094">TS</a>]

01:08:16   turns out live in a wireless world like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4096">TS</a>]

01:08:18   most what we do is wireless it's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4098">TS</a>]

01:08:20   like i'll go like i'll go look at like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4100">TS</a>]

01:08:22   you know audio stuff i try to buy like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4102">TS</a>]

01:08:24   decent microphone or sound interface for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4104">TS</a>]

01:08:26   iOS devices and a lot of them didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4106">TS</a>]

01:08:29   even make the jump from 30-pin to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4109">TS</a>]

01:08:30   lightning I think lightning largely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4110">TS</a>]

01:08:32   hasn't panned out in like being the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4112">TS</a>]

01:08:35   universal accessory port Apple wanted it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4115">TS</a>]

01:08:37   to be and for a number of reasons one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4117">TS</a>]

01:08:40   you know wireless things are so good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4120">TS</a>]

01:08:42   another is that Android is more of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4122">TS</a>]

01:08:44   presence than I think Apple you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4124">TS</a>]

01:08:45   thought it would be or wanted it to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4125">TS</a>]

01:08:47   in that market you know it's similar to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4127">TS</a>]

01:08:49   like you know one of the reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4129">TS</a>]

01:08:50   everyone said why they wouldn't maybe do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4130">TS</a>]

01:08:53   this is what they just had to never make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4133">TS</a>]

01:08:54   light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4134">TS</a>]

01:08:55   headphones this past year and well no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4135">TS</a>]

01:08:57   lighting headphones have actually been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4137">TS</a>]

01:08:59   around for a couple years but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4139">TS</a>]

01:09:01   been like three pairs of them like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4141">TS</a>]

01:09:03   there's been almost none and almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4143">TS</a>]

01:09:05   nobody uses them the only ones that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4145">TS</a>]

01:09:07   any reasonable use are the ones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4147">TS</a>]

01:09:08   Apple includes in the box for free with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4148">TS</a>]

01:09:10   the iphone 7 but if they changed us bc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4150">TS</a>]

01:09:13   they would probably just include a USBC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4153">TS</a>]

01:09:15   version and just like it was basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4155">TS</a>]

01:09:18   no big deal for all the people who got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4158">TS</a>]

01:09:20   the ones in the box for free with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4160">TS</a>]

01:09:21   iphone 7 it would be similarly no big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4161">TS</a>]

01:09:23   deal for all the people who would get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4163">TS</a>]

01:09:25   the new USBC ones in the box with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4165">TS</a>]

01:09:26   iphone 8 or whatever it's called so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4166">TS</a>]

01:09:28   that you can rule that argument right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4168">TS</a>]

01:09:30   out that doesn't matter that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4170">TS</a>]

01:09:31   doesn't matter enough right if you also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4171">TS</a>]

01:09:34   look at the ipad in particular the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4174">TS</a>]

01:09:38   really needs needs help you know it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4178">TS</a>]

01:09:40   needs to become more of a work device to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4180">TS</a>]

01:09:44   boost its sales because it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4184">TS</a>]

01:09:46   you know they nailed the like passive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4186">TS</a>]

01:09:48   consumption market pretty well if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4188">TS</a>]

01:09:50   want a passive consumption by rich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4190">TS</a>]

01:09:52   people market yeah that yeah yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4192">TS</a>]

01:09:55   high end of the passive consumption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4195">TS</a>]

01:09:56   market they they they have that covered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4196">TS</a>]

01:09:58   now where I think they need to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4198">TS</a>]

01:10:01   lot more headway is in the productivity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4201">TS</a>]

01:10:03   market and they are starting to see you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4203">TS</a>]

01:10:06   know things like things like the surface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4206">TS</a>]

01:10:08   hurting them but not in like a massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4208">TS</a>]

01:10:10   way yet but in a way that they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4210">TS</a>]

01:10:12   really be noticing and that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4212">TS</a>]

01:10:14   probably are and for the ipad to grow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4214">TS</a>]

01:10:17   they they are making it more PC like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4217">TS</a>]

01:10:20   they added the smart keyboards they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4220">TS</a>]

01:10:21   added the smart connector they added the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4221">TS</a>]

01:10:23   pencil that you know they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4223">TS</a>]

01:10:24   hopefully keep pushing in this direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4224">TS</a>]

01:10:26   you know who knows what the software has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4226">TS</a>]

01:10:28   coming next month or this month or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4228">TS</a>]

01:10:30   whatever it is we'll see i guess but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4230">TS</a>]

01:10:32   think there is large potential if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4232">TS</a>]

01:10:35   would put a USBC port on an iPad because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4235">TS</a>]

01:10:38   right now I'm in earlier but like sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4238">TS</a>]

01:10:41   devices and things that you like very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4241">TS</a>]

01:10:43   few them are available for lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4243">TS</a>]

01:10:44   everything is available for computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4244">TS</a>]

01:10:47   like every kind of peripheral you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4247">TS</a>]

01:10:49   think of is available with a USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4249">TS</a>]

01:10:51   interface on the end of it and it made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4251">TS</a>]

01:10:54   me not USBC port necessary but like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4254">TS</a>]

01:10:55   could plug into USB seaport through a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4255">TS</a>]

01:10:57   very easy cheap cable or a very easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4257">TS</a>]

01:10:59   adapter that you probably would already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4259">TS</a>]

01:11:01   have three up in the bag if Apple wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4261">TS</a>]

01:11:04   the iPad to become more of a computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4264">TS</a>]

01:11:07   replacement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4267">TS</a>]

01:11:08   adding a USBC port or two or three is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4268">TS</a>]

01:11:11   not ridiculous you know it's a kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4271">TS</a>]

01:11:13   early I remember when I suggested that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4273">TS</a>]

01:11:15   it was on this show I suggested maybe a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4275">TS</a>]

01:11:18   couple years ago adding a bunch of USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4278">TS</a>]

01:11:20   ports the ipad knife pretty sure both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4280">TS</a>]

01:11:22   you laughed at me very heartily because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4282">TS</a>]

01:11:25   every Apple commentator would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4285">TS</a>]

01:11:27   laughed the suggestion a year ago or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4287">TS</a>]

01:11:29   more we all did every since the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4289">TS</a>]

01:11:31   wanna live and laugh at it i said like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4291">TS</a>]

01:11:33   you have so much room on the side of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4293">TS</a>]

01:11:35   ipad and they wanted to be a bit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4295">TS</a>]

01:11:37   capable it's the place to put i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4297">TS</a>]

01:11:39   thinking of us be a ports that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4299">TS</a>]

01:11:40   long ago it was like I was envisioning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4300">TS</a>]

01:11:41   USBA ports on the side of like the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4301">TS</a>]

01:11:43   1 because there was actually room for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4303">TS</a>]

01:11:44   them back then but you know the Apple no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4304">TS</a>]

01:11:48   no I like I want more than one port on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4308">TS</a>]

01:11:50   the 12 inch iPad pro I don't want just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4310">TS</a>]

01:11:53   one centered in the bottom replacing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4313">TS</a>]

01:11:54   Lightning port you have the opportunity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4314">TS</a>]

01:11:56   to put more than one there's plenty of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4316">TS</a>]

01:11:58   room and if you want it to be the pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4318">TS</a>]

01:12:00   iPad like surface hardware it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4320">TS</a>]

01:12:04   have just one port for power and all USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4324">TS</a>]

01:12:06   like the macbook one does so you gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4326">TS</a>]

01:12:09   compete yeah so I think the ipad there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4329">TS</a>]

01:12:13   lots of new uses or uses that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4333">TS</a>]

01:12:16   better if the ipad had us bc ports at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4336">TS</a>]

01:12:19   least one and if they're gonna do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4339">TS</a>]

01:12:21   why would they keep the Lightning port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4341">TS</a>]

01:12:23   also it would it would make very little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4343">TS</a>]

01:12:25   sense to keep the light of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4345">TS</a>]

01:12:27   headphones right now speaking of that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4347">TS</a>]

01:12:30   just realized the other day wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4350">TS</a>]

01:12:32   reading these stories about lighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4352">TS</a>]

01:12:33   headphones and stuff I realized I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4353">TS</a>]

01:12:34   actually don't know where my lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4354">TS</a>]

01:12:36   headphones the came with my iphone 7 are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4356">TS</a>]

01:12:38   right now in the house I don't think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4358">TS</a>]

01:12:40   lost them but I don't know where there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4360">TS</a>]

01:12:42   are now because I've been using air pots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4362">TS</a>]

01:12:43   and right if they if they get out ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4363">TS</a>]

01:12:46   of this if they do the transition now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4366">TS</a>]

01:12:47   with the anticipation to it has been two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4367">TS</a>]

01:12:50   things one thing marketer said that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4370">TS</a>]

01:12:52   us bc it's not it's not pervasive now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4372">TS</a>]

01:12:54   but presumably in a few years it will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4374">TS</a>]

01:12:56   pervasive thanks to android phones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4376">TS</a>]

01:12:57   everything right so they'll be out ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4377">TS</a>]

01:12:59   of that so they will be saving their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4379">TS</a>]

01:13:01   customers from the experience of being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4381">TS</a>]

01:13:03   like oh I'm on vacation and oh I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4383">TS</a>]

01:13:07   use my iphone with this thingy or this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4387">TS</a>]

01:13:09   charge cable because it's not USB so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4389">TS</a>]

01:13:10   saving them from that and then to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4390">TS</a>]

01:13:12   thing the Apple kind of knows in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4392">TS</a>]

01:13:13   controls is what is the time horizon for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4393">TS</a>]

01:13:15   wireless charging right is that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4395">TS</a>]

01:13:18   around the corner is it one or two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4398">TS</a>]

01:13:19   I feel like Apple if they switch now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4399">TS</a>]

01:13:21   will be saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4401">TS</a>]

01:13:22   we believe that by the time we get our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4402">TS</a>]

01:13:23   device is something that we can't USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4403">TS</a>]

01:13:25   can't use USBC anymore we'll have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4405">TS</a>]

01:13:27   wireless charging thing covered so again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4407">TS</a>]

01:13:29   they're in a position to know and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4409">TS</a>]

01:13:30   all seem like reasonable things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4410">TS</a>]

01:13:32   happen well the other thing is like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4412">TS</a>]

01:13:33   mean this this doesn't sound a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4413">TS</a>]

01:13:35   likely than Apple adding USB 2 and iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4415">TS</a>]

01:13:38   but what if the phone is getting thicker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4418">TS</a>]

01:13:40   because they're getting rid of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4420">TS</a>]

01:13:42   bezels and they need somewhere to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4422">TS</a>]

01:13:43   things at the camera the reason why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4423">TS</a>]

01:13:45   those bezels are there is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4425">TS</a>]

01:13:47   partly out of like you know looks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4427">TS</a>]

01:13:49   grip and everything but mostly because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4429">TS</a>]

01:13:51   that's where have to put a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4431">TS</a>]

01:13:52   components that are too deep to fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4432">TS</a>]

01:13:54   behind the screen and if they're moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4434">TS</a>]

01:13:56   to these larger screen like more edge to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4436">TS</a>]

01:13:58   edge phone designs that can be smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4438">TS</a>]

01:14:00   in the hand I have a smaller you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4440">TS</a>]

01:14:02   width and height in the hand they might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4442">TS</a>]

01:14:05   have to get thicker in order to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4445">TS</a>]

01:14:07   have space for things like a decent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4447">TS</a>]

01:14:08   camera get ready for some bigger camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4448">TS</a>]

01:14:11   bumps well probably but that's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4451">TS</a>]

01:14:14   seems like a more Apple II as as judged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4454">TS</a>]

01:14:16   by the iphone 7 they'll just make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4456">TS</a>]

01:14:17   bigger bulge rather than make pulsing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4457">TS</a>]

01:14:19   water thicker but we'll see yeah maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4459">TS</a>]

01:14:22   anyway so my point is basically that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4462">TS</a>]

01:14:24   like in a perfect world if they started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4464">TS</a>]

01:14:26   from scratch they had no legacy they'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4466">TS</a>]

01:14:27   probably go USB see that would probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4467">TS</a>]

01:14:29   the best option if you look at the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4469">TS</a>]

01:14:31   the ipad could really use us bc and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4471">TS</a>]

01:14:34   wouldn't make a lot of sense it wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4474">TS</a>]

01:14:35   be very apple style to still keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4475">TS</a>]

01:14:37   lightning on there they could just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4477">TS</a>]

01:14:38   replace that we are already not using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4478">TS</a>]

01:14:41   lightning for much else besides charging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4481">TS</a>]

01:14:45   like it's not being used for a whole lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4485">TS</a>]

01:14:47   more by most people than just charging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4487">TS</a>]

01:14:49   your phone and they're already pushing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4489">TS</a>]

01:14:53   things like bluetooth for a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4493">TS</a>]

01:14:55   peripherals for audio output and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4495">TS</a>]

01:14:56   like that so and and of course then also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4496">TS</a>]

01:14:59   you look at the mac and the end the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4499">TS</a>]

01:15:00   you know if you have us bc on both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4500">TS</a>]

01:15:03   things everything shares the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4503">TS</a>]

01:15:05   peripherals everything shares the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4505">TS</a>]

01:15:07   cables you can charge them everywhere we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4507">TS</a>]

01:15:09   even with the android device cables you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4509">TS</a>]

01:15:11   can use all the devices for android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4511">TS</a>]

01:15:15   right now that are made by companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4515">TS</a>]

01:15:16   like Sony that like if sony has to pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4516">TS</a>]

01:15:19   between making something for lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4519">TS</a>]

01:15:21   or make something for us bc for android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4521">TS</a>]

01:15:23   phones they pick android because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4523">TS</a>]

01:15:25   are there more of an android focus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4525">TS</a>]

01:15:26   company there's lots of companies like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4526">TS</a>]

01:15:28   that we're like you kind of have to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4528">TS</a>]

01:15:29   when you pick teams like you see like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4529">TS</a>]

01:15:31   some of the headphones like there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4531">TS</a>]

01:15:32   some USBC headphones now for android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4532">TS</a>]

01:15:34   phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4534">TS</a>]

01:15:35   and there are some Lightning headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4535">TS</a>]

01:15:37   for iPhones and usually the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4537">TS</a>]

01:15:39   headphone isn't available in both like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4539">TS</a>]

01:15:41   you kind of have to pick and it sucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4541">TS</a>]

01:15:42   having this like this format war really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4542">TS</a>]

01:15:44   going on between these companies in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4544">TS</a>]

01:15:46   these different ecosystems where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4546">TS</a>]

01:15:47   can't use the same headphones between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4547">TS</a>]

01:15:49   two different devices wouldn't it be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4549">TS</a>]

01:15:51   great if you could just have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4551">TS</a>]

01:15:53   standard and USBC is good enough and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4553">TS</a>]

01:15:56   it's going to be good enough quite some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4556">TS</a>]

01:15:58   time we're not going to have to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4558">TS</a>]

01:16:00   cables again in like three years from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4560">TS</a>]

01:16:01   now it's going to be a while and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4561">TS</a>]

01:16:04   would be amazing to have that now there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4564">TS</a>]

01:16:06   is one other part of this that is worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4566">TS</a>]

01:16:07   pointing out and that is the other end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4567">TS</a>]

01:16:09   of the cable the end that plugs into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4569">TS</a>]

01:16:11   power brick or the computer and if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4571">TS</a>]

01:16:14   case may be I think personally I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4574">TS</a>]

01:16:17   it's more likely that this rumor has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4577">TS</a>]

01:16:20   been misunderstood and that the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4580">TS</a>]

01:16:22   likely outcome here is that Apple's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4582">TS</a>]

01:16:24   changing the phone to us bc but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4584">TS</a>]

01:16:26   just going to ship it in the box with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4586">TS</a>]

01:16:28   USBC cable that plugs into USB see brick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4588">TS</a>]

01:16:31   but that's still going to have lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4591">TS</a>]

01:16:32   on the phone and that is way more likely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4592">TS</a>]

01:16:34   that's totally that's totally what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4594">TS</a>]

01:16:37   thought and I think that's so much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4597">TS</a>]

01:16:39   boring of a rumor so that's why I'm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4599">TS</a>]

01:16:41   I don't want to talk about that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4601">TS</a>]

01:16:42   it's like all right fine like all you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4602">TS</a>]

01:16:45   can do for that one is get angry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4605">TS</a>]

01:16:47   the fact that now you have no place to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4607">TS</a>]

01:16:48   chip plug in your charging cable but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4608">TS</a>]

01:16:49   that would make such perfect sense along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4609">TS</a>]

01:16:51   with everything we have but but why is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4611">TS</a>]

01:16:52   that a story that's not a Wall Street [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4612">TS</a>]

01:16:53   Journal caliber story like because who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4613">TS</a>]

01:16:56   you know who cares whatever I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4616">TS</a>]

01:16:59   hope that's not it and the thing is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4619">TS</a>]

01:17:01   many ways having us bc and the charger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4621">TS</a>]

01:17:04   end is actually worse than having us be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4624">TS</a>]

01:17:06   a and the charger end because I as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4626">TS</a>]

01:17:08   rented on Twitter earlier like basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4628">TS</a>]

01:17:09   like the entire world right now has tons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4629">TS</a>]

01:17:11   of infrastructure in place that has USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4631">TS</a>]

01:17:15   a ports everywhere for people to chart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4635">TS</a>]

01:17:18   people to plug their phones into to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4638">TS</a>]

01:17:20   charge them with and this isn't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4640">TS</a>]

01:17:23   like the phone owner having to buy a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4643">TS</a>]

01:17:26   power brick or you know having to use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4646">TS</a>]

01:17:27   different one that comes in the box and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4647">TS</a>]

01:17:29   throw other old ones this is like again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4649">TS</a>]

01:17:31   it's like airplanes cars hotels like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4651">TS</a>]

01:17:35   is different yeah luggage all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4655">TS</a>]

01:17:37   different places where you have us be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4657">TS</a>]

01:17:39   ports those travel things that we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4659">TS</a>]

01:17:41   have with like 12 USB a ports on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4661">TS</a>]

01:17:43   you take the hotel so you can charge all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4663">TS</a>]

01:17:44   families devices with you now there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4664">TS</a>]

01:17:46   nothing to say that all those vices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4666">TS</a>]

01:17:47   won't also convert to us bc at some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4667">TS</a>]

01:17:49   point it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4669">TS</a>]

01:17:49   the question of if you're changing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4669">TS</a>]

01:17:51   non phone end of the cable which is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4671">TS</a>]

01:17:53   we're talking about now even though it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4673">TS</a>]

01:17:54   boring if you're changing the non phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4674">TS</a>]

01:17:56   end of the cable is now the right time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4676">TS</a>]

01:17:58   to change away from a because what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4678">TS</a>]

01:18:00   you're not gaining much except for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4680">TS</a>]

01:18:02   Ogam you're gaining is uniform sanity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4682">TS</a>]

01:18:04   with an apples line where you no longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4684">TS</a>]

01:18:05   have the embarrassing situation where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4685">TS</a>]

01:18:07   you buy a macbook pro in an iphone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4687">TS</a>]

01:18:08   you can't charge them at each other but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4688">TS</a>]

01:18:09   that's it that's all you get out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4689">TS</a>]

01:18:11   yeah and so like you know it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4691">TS</a>]

01:18:14   fine to have to have us bc to see as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4694">TS</a>]

01:18:18   main thing or see the lightning as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4698">TS</a>]

01:18:19   main thing that would be fine but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4699">TS</a>]

01:18:21   think see the lightning as the cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4701">TS</a>]

01:18:23   that comes the phone and as a thing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4703">TS</a>]

01:18:25   most people have is actually less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4705">TS</a>]

01:18:26   convenient now and for the foreseeable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4706">TS</a>]

01:18:28   future then ada lightning would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4708">TS</a>]

01:18:30   because there are so many a ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4710">TS</a>]

01:18:34   everywhere in the world that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4714">TS</a>]

01:18:36   already have installed or bought or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4716">TS</a>]

01:18:38   everything else and it goes way beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4718">TS</a>]

01:18:40   just buying a new power brick and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4720">TS</a>]

01:18:41   goes into things like buying a new car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4721">TS</a>]

01:18:43   or reef or retrofitting airplanes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4723">TS</a>]

01:18:45   like those are things that just don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4725">TS</a>]

01:18:46   happen very often so we're going to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4726">TS</a>]

01:18:48   us be a ports as like the new power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4728">TS</a>]

01:18:51   outlet for phones for a long time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4731">TS</a>]

01:18:54   come and you can't adapt a USB a port to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4734">TS</a>]

01:18:59   have a USBC cable plugged into it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4739">TS</a>]

01:19:02   can go the other direction with all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4742">TS</a>]

01:19:03   these little wonderful nine dollar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4743">TS</a>]

01:19:04   adapters and apple sells but you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4744">TS</a>]

01:19:06   go the other way you can't plug a USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4746">TS</a>]

01:19:08   see device into USB a port it violates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4748">TS</a>]

01:19:12   the USB spec because as lots of weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4752">TS</a>]

01:19:13   things that can go wrong if you do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4753">TS</a>]

01:19:15   wrong and lots of like weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4755">TS</a>]

01:19:16   combinations they didn't want to allow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4756">TS</a>]

01:19:18   with like what do you do with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4758">TS</a>]

01:19:19   massive amount of power on these pins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4759">TS</a>]

01:19:20   and things like that and so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4760">TS</a>]

01:19:22   direction can't be like legally adapted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4762">TS</a>]

01:19:24   by the USB spec and for very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4764">TS</a>]

01:19:28   reasons that are probably likely to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4768">TS</a>]

01:19:29   change so if you're gonna have a cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4769">TS</a>]

01:19:32   that you're going to want to plug into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4772">TS</a>]

01:19:33   whatever you find as you travel or go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4773">TS</a>]

01:19:35   throughout the world or in turn out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4775">TS</a>]

01:19:37   your car wherever else you're probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4777">TS</a>]

01:19:39   going to want a whatever the phone has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4779">TS</a>]

01:19:42   lightning your USB c 2 USB a and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4782">TS</a>]

01:19:44   maybe have a dongle with your laptop's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4784">TS</a>]

01:19:46   you can plug it in there sometimes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4786">TS</a>]

01:19:48   want to save yourself some email yeah go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4788">TS</a>]

01:19:50   you have to tell them that you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4790">TS</a>]

01:19:51   those connectors that go from a to c you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4791">TS</a>]

01:19:52   have to tell you have to say that yes i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4792">TS</a>]

01:19:54   know there are connected I know you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4794">TS</a>]

01:19:55   go on lots of places and buy one from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4795">TS</a>]

01:19:57   some kind of no-name brand but there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4797">TS</a>]

01:19:59   reason why there aren't that many of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4799">TS</a>]

01:20:01   them and why you don't see people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4801">TS</a>]

01:20:02   Apple selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4802">TS</a>]

01:20:03   because they're bad bad things can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4803">TS</a>]

01:20:06   happen please don't use them so speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4806">TS</a>]

01:20:09   of saving email I forgot to mention that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4809">TS</a>]

01:20:11   i do have a modern Apple TV in the house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4811">TS</a>]

01:20:14   and that is us pc would either of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4814">TS</a>]

01:20:16   care to wager guess how many times I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4816">TS</a>]

01:20:18   plug to USC a USBC cable into that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4818">TS</a>]

01:20:21   TV isn't that just a diagnostic port I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4821">TS</a>]

01:20:23   don't think it's like supposed to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4823">TS</a>]

01:20:24   user no it's it's it's for diagnostic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4824">TS</a>]

01:20:26   Janet's for developers like when i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4826">TS</a>]

01:20:27   install provenance the emulator oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4827">TS</a>]

01:20:29   it's you know similar to how you plug in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4829">TS</a>]

01:20:31   a phone to run devices or to run apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4831">TS</a>]

01:20:33   that you right from xcode onto the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4833">TS</a>]

01:20:35   through USB same thing with the Apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4835">TS</a>]

01:20:37   you plug it into the USB port and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4837">TS</a>]

01:20:39   becomes an output device for xcode you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4839">TS</a>]

01:20:40   can run stuff on speaking of us bc and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4840">TS</a>]

01:20:43   then gender switch has us bc which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4843">TS</a>]

01:20:44   out soon and has someone tweeted earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4844">TS</a>]

01:20:47   today that if you plug a nintendo switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4847">TS</a>]

01:20:49   into a macbook pro the switch charges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4849">TS</a>]

01:20:51   the laptop not the other way around yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4851">TS</a>]

01:20:52   that's pretty great in the world of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4852">TS</a>]

01:20:55   ubiquitous connectors it is kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4855">TS</a>]

01:20:56   weird situation because like we have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4856">TS</a>]

01:20:58   it's kind of based on size that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4858">TS</a>]

01:20:59   it you expect if you're using your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4859">TS</a>]

01:21:01   laptop and you're like oh my phones low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4861">TS</a>]

01:21:02   i'm going to plug it into my laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4862">TS</a>]

01:21:03   that's the thing like we've all done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4863">TS</a>]

01:21:05   right you fully expect that when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4865">TS</a>]

01:21:07   plug your phone into your laptop the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4867">TS</a>]

01:21:08   laptop will charge your phone the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4868">TS</a>]

01:21:10   wont charge your laptop and why do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4870">TS</a>]

01:21:12   think that well because the batteries in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4872">TS</a>]

01:21:13   the lap and the laptop is bigger i guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4873">TS</a>]

01:21:15   but when you do it with the switch i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4875">TS</a>]

01:21:17   guess they don't know how big they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4877">TS</a>]

01:21:18   like a little dog that thinks it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4878">TS</a>]

01:21:20   big dog it's like i got your neck here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4880">TS</a>]

01:21:22   some juice take this i don't know who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4882">TS</a>]

01:21:24   knows it could be just the mac think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4884">TS</a>]

01:21:25   it's being charged and it actually isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4885">TS</a>]

01:21:27   because i don't understand why the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4887">TS</a>]

01:21:28   switch would output charge or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4888">TS</a>]

01:21:30   but in in this world of ubiquitous USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4890">TS</a>]

01:21:33   see that our future world where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4893">TS</a>]

01:21:35   everything has USB seaports it can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4895">TS</a>]

01:21:37   confusing as to what the actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4897">TS</a>]

01:21:38   relationship between devices with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4898">TS</a>]

01:21:41   batteries and then will be when you plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4901">TS</a>]

01:21:42   them into each other and i'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4902">TS</a>]

01:21:43   they're part of the standard is like for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4903">TS</a>]

01:21:45   that but they probably just didn't quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4905">TS</a>]

01:21:47   do it right or something they are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4907">TS</a>]

01:21:49   again why the hell this is switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4909">TS</a>]

01:21:51   charging anything i don't think there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4911">TS</a>]

01:21:52   are any peripherals that plug into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4912">TS</a>]

01:21:53   switch and derive power from it so who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4913">TS</a>]

01:21:55   knows yeah what do its various external [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4915">TS</a>]

01:21:57   control like the the pro controller what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4917">TS</a>]

01:21:59   are those are those all just wireless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4919">TS</a>]

01:22:01   with their own chargers or what i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4921">TS</a>]

01:22:03   guess so I mean though all existing game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4923">TS</a>]

01:22:05   console controls i have used one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4925">TS</a>]

01:22:07   terrible micro USB things maybe the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4927">TS</a>]

01:22:10   switch pro controller has a USB see i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4930">TS</a>]

01:22:13   wouldn't know because i don't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4933">TS</a>]

01:22:14   pre-order for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4934">TS</a>]

01:22:16   I'm working on that by the way so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4936">TS</a>]

01:22:18   everybody knows i do have orders i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4938">TS</a>]

01:22:20   now have pre-orders for the switch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4940">TS</a>]

01:22:24   for the zelda game that i want thanks to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4944">TS</a>]

01:22:25   some very helpful fans of the show so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4945">TS</a>]

01:22:29   far still no pro controller you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4949">TS</a>]

01:22:31   to tell me at some point how I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4951">TS</a>]

01:22:33   supposed to get a pro controller when i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4953">TS</a>]

01:22:34   get my switch also can i buy the games i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4954">TS</a>]

01:22:37   heard that Pete went when I mention that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4957">TS</a>]

01:22:39   I had these games in my amazon cart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4959">TS</a>]

01:22:41   ready to pre-order i got a number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4961">TS</a>]

01:22:43   helping people saying why don't I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4963">TS</a>]

01:22:44   buy a giant SD card and download them is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4964">TS</a>]

01:22:45   that a thing I can do yeah but like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4965">TS</a>]

01:22:48   only reason i want the zelda it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4968">TS</a>]

01:22:49   the special edition that comes with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4969">TS</a>]

01:22:50   bunch of little tchotchkes and stuff you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4970">TS</a>]

01:22:52   know and it comes with a soundtrack CD i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4972">TS</a>]

01:22:54   would throw all that away or I'd mail to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4974">TS</a>]

01:22:56   you exactly so so if you don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4976">TS</a>]

01:22:58   about that I'm pretty sure every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4978">TS</a>]

01:23:00   game is use downloadable and the storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4980">TS</a>]

01:23:02   on the switch itself is not that big so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4982">TS</a>]

01:23:04   everyone's telling you to buy an SD card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4984">TS</a>]

01:23:05   but I think if you just get the switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4985">TS</a>]

01:23:06   and just want to play zelda you can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4986">TS</a>]

01:23:08   get it and then download zelda and play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4988">TS</a>]

01:23:10   it and the digit of the story speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4990">TS</a>]

01:23:12   of switch about the zelda carts have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4992">TS</a>]

01:23:14   seen pictures of how big the little the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4994">TS</a>]

01:23:16   switch cartridges are no like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4996">TS</a>]

01:23:19   really small like they're not as small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/4999">TS</a>]

01:23:20   as like the Micro Micro SD cards but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5000">TS</a>]

01:23:22   they're smaller than you think they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5002">TS</a>]

01:23:23   and that poses a problem because like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5003">TS</a>]

01:23:27   what if kids find these little games and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5007">TS</a>]

01:23:29   stick them in their mouth swallow them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5009">TS</a>]

01:23:30   or do something else bad with them right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5010">TS</a>]

01:23:31   so Nintendo solution to this was to coat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5011">TS</a>]

01:23:35   the cartridges they sell with a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5015">TS</a>]

01:23:37   very bad tasting substance so people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5017">TS</a>]

01:23:39   now licking antenna switch Carter that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5019">TS</a>]

01:23:42   the backstory i had seen people say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5022">TS</a>]

01:23:44   yes they really do taste like garbage I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5024">TS</a>]

01:23:46   didn't know what the back story was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5026">TS</a>]

01:23:48   though yeah that's that's what I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5028">TS</a>]

01:23:50   heard it's a plausible theory because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5030">TS</a>]

01:23:52   is it is like kind of a you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5032">TS</a>]

01:23:53   swallowing choking hazard they're small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5033">TS</a>]

01:23:55   enough and they're going to be around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5035">TS</a>]

01:23:56   kids like because you know it's not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5036">TS</a>]

01:23:58   not like that there you're not worried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5038">TS</a>]

01:23:59   about it kids swallowing the sim card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5039">TS</a>]

01:24:00   from your phone because kids aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5040">TS</a>]

01:24:01   playing with the sim card in your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5041">TS</a>]

01:24:03   but kids will be around these loose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5043">TS</a>]

01:24:04   cartridges for the switch or they you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5044">TS</a>]

01:24:06   know bring a bunch of them in the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5046">TS</a>]

01:24:07   of the car with them and play them on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5047">TS</a>]

01:24:08   car trip and stuff and they're you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5048">TS</a>]

01:24:10   younger sibling gets ahold of them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5050">TS</a>]

01:24:11   so apparently they taste terrible wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5051">TS</a>]

01:24:14   so I sort of question all right so so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5054">TS</a>]

01:24:17   used to bite my nails and one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5057">TS</a>]

01:24:19   ways i stopped was i got one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5059">TS</a>]

01:24:20   like horrible tasting nail polish things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5060">TS</a>]

01:24:22   same theory and yeah however the one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5062">TS</a>]

01:24:25   the shortcomings of that is that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5065">TS</a>]

01:24:26   would like rub off on like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5066">TS</a>]

01:24:29   preparing or like anything anything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5069">TS</a>]

01:24:31   I touched would taste horrible and so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5071">TS</a>]

01:24:35   you like handle a switch cartridge and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5075">TS</a>]

01:24:37   you can make a sandwich it like is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5077">TS</a>]

01:24:39   going to rub off at all are you gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5079">TS</a>]

01:24:40   taste that so I have to say that this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5080">TS</a>]

01:24:43   the internet and I've just read some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5083">TS</a>]

01:24:45   tweets so for all I know this is totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5085">TS</a>]

01:24:47   false and people just got some weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5087">TS</a>]

01:24:50   foul tasting stuff on their switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5090">TS</a>]

01:24:51   cartridges but i will say that now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5091">TS</a>]

01:24:53   assuming the story is true i would think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5093">TS</a>]

01:24:57   that the coding they put in these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5097">TS</a>]

01:24:58   cartridges would have some of the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5098">TS</a>]

01:25:00   problems as the nail buying stuff one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5100">TS</a>]

01:25:02   that it would eventually be able to wear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5102">TS</a>]

01:25:04   off or be sucked off as very determined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5104">TS</a>]

01:25:06   nail biters know well that if you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5106">TS</a>]

01:25:08   if you really want to go to town you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5108">TS</a>]

01:25:10   a build up a tolerance to and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5110">TS</a>]

01:25:12   eventually remove that substance stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5112">TS</a>]

01:25:15   it I quit with one application but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5115">TS</a>]

01:25:18   that's how bad it was you're you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5118">TS</a>]

01:25:20   as a terminus on some little children [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5120">TS</a>]

01:25:23   yeah it I can tell you from personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5123">TS</a>]

01:25:27   experience with people my family who I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5127">TS</a>]

01:25:29   will not name who are not me that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5129">TS</a>]

01:25:32   possible to if you are stubborn enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5132">TS</a>]

01:25:35   to get rid of stuff and to like you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5135">TS</a>]

01:25:38   that like will it come off on your hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5138">TS</a>]

01:25:40   I think it has to necessarily come off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5140">TS</a>]

01:25:43   your hands if your hands are wet because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5143">TS</a>]

01:25:44   if it doesn't come off on your hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5144">TS</a>]

01:25:46   when they're wet it also won't come off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5146">TS</a>]

01:25:47   on your tongue on you right and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5147">TS</a>]

01:25:49   think those are real things but what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5149">TS</a>]

01:25:51   hoping is that cartridges don't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5151">TS</a>]

01:25:53   handled much under normal circumstances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5153">TS</a>]

01:25:55   and the people's hands are not wet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5155">TS</a>]

01:25:56   enough to pull off the stuff again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5156">TS</a>]

01:25:58   assuming this entire story is true but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5158">TS</a>]

01:25:59   all we know is that when any of us gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5159">TS</a>]

01:26:02   it or encounters a nintendo switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5162">TS</a>]

01:26:03   cartridge is incumbent upon us as part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5163">TS</a>]

01:26:06   of the homework for the show to like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5166">TS</a>]

01:26:07   you just give me a really good reason to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5167">TS</a>]

01:26:10   just download all my games and not ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5170">TS</a>]

01:26:11   buy one well you have to get one to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5171">TS</a>]

01:26:14   you have to tips gonna want to look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5174">TS</a>]

01:26:15   that i just have to look Maya SD cards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5175">TS</a>]

01:26:17   and see if that has the same coding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5177">TS</a>]

01:26:17   that's right you need to ABX test this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5177">TS</a>]

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01:27:24   about the iphone USBC thing is if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5244">TS</a>]

01:27:27   USBC is on the device itself is on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5247">TS</a>]

01:27:29   iphone what technical thing does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5249">TS</a>]

01:27:33   solve like yes I understand that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5253">TS</a>]

01:27:35   a consistency with the rest of like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5255">TS</a>]

01:27:37   laptop line but what does that actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5257">TS</a>]

01:27:39   do for an iphone that makes the iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5259">TS</a>]

01:27:42   itself better don't we get the advantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5262">TS</a>]

01:27:45   of dedicated analog audio pins so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5265">TS</a>]

01:27:48   we don't need the deck and the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5268">TS</a>]

01:27:49   anymore and we could have cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5269">TS</a>]

01:27:51   headphones to connect to us bc or limas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5271">TS</a>]

01:27:52   remembering this both USBC add lighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5272">TS</a>]

01:27:55   have have ways to do that however we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5275">TS</a>]

01:27:58   also did find that in the little apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5278">TS</a>]

01:28:00   dongle is a little tiny back because dax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5280">TS</a>]

01:28:02   costs nothing and it's not a very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5282">TS</a>]

01:28:04   one but it doesn't matter for most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5284">TS</a>]

01:28:05   people for what they're using it's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5285">TS</a>]

01:28:08   sorry that's a potential advantage that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5288">TS</a>]

01:28:10   you could get if Apple decides to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5290">TS</a>]

01:28:11   advantage of it and if they're it may I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5291">TS</a>]

01:28:14   have no idea if there are any existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5294">TS</a>]

01:28:16   headphones that take analog audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5296">TS</a>]

01:28:17   signals and have instead of a you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5297">TS</a>]

01:28:20   regular headphone jack come and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5300">TS</a>]

01:28:21   have a USB see one but in theory that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5301">TS</a>]

01:28:23   one there's also you know techno tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5303">TS</a>]

01:28:26   buys the thing with the bendy pins that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5306">TS</a>]

01:28:27   we talked about like who knows how big a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5307">TS</a>]

01:28:29   problem that is but it stands to reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5309">TS</a>]

01:28:33   that it is better to have the parts that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5313">TS</a>]

01:28:36   eventually fatigue or bend or wear out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5316">TS</a>]

01:28:38   on the cable you can throw away and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5318">TS</a>]

01:28:41   inside the device so that's another tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5321">TS</a>]

01:28:42   advantage yeah I guess I guess I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5322">TS</a>]

01:28:45   there's nothing that you guys have said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5325">TS</a>]

01:28:48   or that I can think of that makes me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5328">TS</a>]

01:28:51   think oh this is a technical problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5331">TS</a>]

01:28:52   that's being solved with us bc it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5332">TS</a>]

01:28:54   worth that that juice is worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5334">TS</a>]

01:28:56   squeeze of pissing off the entire world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5336">TS</a>]

01:28:59   for another for another cable change or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5339">TS</a>]

01:29:03   another port don't you think you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5343">TS</a>]

01:29:04   not agree what you both said that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5344">TS</a>]

01:29:05   thought people will be angry but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5345">TS</a>]

01:29:06   totally think people will be less angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5346">TS</a>]

01:29:08   than 30 pin delighting even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5348">TS</a>]

01:29:10   30-pin was 30 10 years old I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5350">TS</a>]

01:29:12   they'll be less angry about this because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5352">TS</a>]

01:29:13   it's a switch to the standard because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5353">TS</a>]

01:29:16   yes you're going to be grumbly you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5356">TS</a>]

01:29:18   assuming though that people have us bc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5358">TS</a>]

01:29:19   devices i am cheap and i don't buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5359">TS</a>]

01:29:22   expensive things terribly often but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5362">TS</a>]

01:29:26   always keep up-to-date on on iphones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5366">TS</a>]

01:29:30   ipads whatnot and and I don't have a you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5370">TS</a>]

01:29:33   like I said the only USBC device i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5373">TS</a>]

01:29:35   is an apple TV that I've never plugged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5375">TS</a>]

01:29:36   USBC into they'd be a little bit ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5376">TS</a>]

01:29:38   of the curve like I agree people don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5378">TS</a>]

01:29:40   have but I think every story about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5380">TS</a>]

01:29:42   would be Apple concedes or like the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5382">TS</a>]

01:29:45   negative story you can have a apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5385">TS</a>]

01:29:47   finally concedes and does what everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5387">TS</a>]

01:29:48   else does Apple finally gets in line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5388">TS</a>]

01:29:50   ever finally does the industry standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5390">TS</a>]

01:29:52   thing I think that would be the negative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5392">TS</a>]

01:29:54   Apple spin on these stories and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5394">TS</a>]

01:29:56   again with the European regulations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5396">TS</a>]

01:29:57   requiring whatever was mini USB and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5397">TS</a>]

01:29:59   probably going to require us bc like i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5399">TS</a>]

01:30:01   think that's the spin on the story and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5401">TS</a>]

01:30:03   yes it's like oh I don't care what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5403">TS</a>]

01:30:05   hell'd standards I got a houseful of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5405">TS</a>]

01:30:06   freaking lightning cables and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5406">TS</a>]

01:30:07   worthless to me right like people will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5407">TS</a>]

01:30:08   be angry but I think the story will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5408">TS</a>]

01:30:11   Apple gets in line with everybody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5411">TS</a>]

01:30:13   and that will soften the blow again I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5413">TS</a>]

01:30:17   think if you're going to do that though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5417">TS</a>]

01:30:18   you wait another year or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5418">TS</a>]

01:30:20   that because everyone is still sensitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5420">TS</a>]

01:30:23   to this because I still within the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5423">TS</a>]

01:30:25   month have heard people whining about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5425">TS</a>]

01:30:26   lightning ports and and so if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5426">TS</a>]

01:30:30   going to make this jump you make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5430">TS</a>]

01:30:31   jump where it's when it's it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5431">TS</a>]

01:30:33   preposterous that Apple isn't on us bc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5433">TS</a>]

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01:30:42   at the thing that I can't get past is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5442">TS</a>]

01:30:44   it's not solving any technical problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5444">TS</a>]

01:30:46   that I'm aware of maybe on like an iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5446">TS</a>]

01:30:49   maybe if you wanted to plug in say an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5449">TS</a>]

01:30:51   external display which I guess you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5451">TS</a>]

01:30:52   do that with the hdmi cable on a phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5452">TS</a>]

01:30:54   or pad anyway I've had anyway so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5454">TS</a>]

01:30:56   I'm failing to see what technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5456">TS</a>]

01:30:58   problem that makes the iPhone itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5458">TS</a>]

01:31:00   better what technical problem are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5460">TS</a>]

01:31:04   solving by doing this because otherwise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5464">TS</a>]

01:31:05   why bother well we also don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5465">TS</a>]

01:31:07   pervasive the Lightning connect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5467">TS</a>]

01:31:10   your problems are like I don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5470">TS</a>]

01:31:11   many people do we know who have had this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5471">TS</a>]

01:31:12   problem I I know two people Marco and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5472">TS</a>]

01:31:15   Merlin right who have both had problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5475">TS</a>]

01:31:17   with the contacts you know the bendy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5477">TS</a>]

01:31:20   little bits coming out of thing and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5480">TS</a>]

01:31:21   scorching the little connectors I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5481">TS</a>]

01:31:23   believe what it marketed you get your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5483">TS</a>]

01:31:25   phone replaced because of that yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5485">TS</a>]

01:31:27   did and then Merlin I don't know if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5487">TS</a>]

01:31:30   got anything replaced but he had like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5490">TS</a>]

01:31:31   were only the hardware virus because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5491">TS</a>]

01:31:32   once one of the little bendy pieces of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5492">TS</a>]

01:31:35   metal doesn't contact with the shiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5495">TS</a>]

01:31:37   gold bits on the Lightning connector and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5497">TS</a>]

01:31:39   starts arcing it can cause a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5499">TS</a>]

01:31:41   Bernie spot there and that makes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5501">TS</a>]

01:31:42   connection even worse and more working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5502">TS</a>]

01:31:43   and so on and so forth and now you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5503">TS</a>]

01:31:45   a lightning connector that has a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5505">TS</a>]

01:31:47   Bernie spot on it and if you put that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5507">TS</a>]

01:31:49   lightning connector into another device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5509">TS</a>]

01:31:50   now you have poor contact between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5510">TS</a>]

01:31:52   Bernie spot and the little bendy metal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5512">TS</a>]

01:31:54   thing and it causes that to arc and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5514">TS</a>]

01:31:56   it's like it's like a hardware virus as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5516">TS</a>]

01:31:57   you plug this this plug into a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5517">TS</a>]

01:32:00   other devices eventually they all get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5520">TS</a>]

01:32:01   this little burning spot on the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5521">TS</a>]

01:32:03   place and that's bad and is this just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5523">TS</a>]

01:32:06   problem that is really rare and esoteric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5526">TS</a>]

01:32:08   and really much more much smaller than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5528">TS</a>]

01:32:10   the grand scheme of things than Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5530">TS</a>]

01:32:11   bad strain relief I don't know but I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5531">TS</a>]

01:32:14   know two people and it did cause a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5534">TS</a>]

01:32:16   warranty replacement for sure and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5536">TS</a>]

01:32:18   least one of them that i think would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5538">TS</a>]

01:32:21   fall into the category of potentially a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5541">TS</a>]

01:32:23   tech problem that the USBC is solving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5543">TS</a>]

01:32:26   numbers are it's hard it's hard to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5546">TS</a>]

01:32:29   without numbers you know I guess I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5549">TS</a>]

01:32:31   but but here again that's like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5551">TS</a>]

01:32:33   solving a problem for Apple that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5553">TS</a>]

01:32:35   your average consumer even I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5555">TS</a>]

01:32:37   really care about what Marco didn't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5557">TS</a>]

01:32:39   to get his phones well maybe did because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5559">TS</a>]

01:32:40   of this the microphone thing but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5560">TS</a>]

01:32:42   people don't want to have to bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5562">TS</a>]

01:32:43   anything again it's not right I'm does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5563">TS</a>]

01:32:45   USBC saw the lint problem that's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5565">TS</a>]

01:32:47   sort of anecdotal thing we don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5567">TS</a>]

01:32:48   numbers for but like how many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5568">TS</a>]

01:32:50   have you heard about like my thing would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5570">TS</a>]

01:32:51   in charge and I had to get out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5571">TS</a>]

01:32:53   dentist gear and start pulling out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5573">TS</a>]

01:32:55   little lint balls or cat hair from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5575">TS</a>]

01:32:57   inside the thing or I brought to an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5577">TS</a>]

01:32:58   apple store and they had to do it for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5578">TS</a>]

01:33:00   my parents have had this problem where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5580">TS</a>]

01:33:02   they had to have lint pulled out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5582">TS</a>]

01:33:04   their thing pulled out of their lighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5584">TS</a>]

01:33:06   connector by like an apple store person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5586">TS</a>]

01:33:08   right does USBC suffer from that as much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5588">TS</a>]

01:33:11   as lightning I have no idea but that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5591">TS</a>]

01:33:13   another potential tech problem not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5593">TS</a>]

01:33:15   for Apple for warranty or present people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5595">TS</a>]

01:33:17   don't want their crap to break and have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5597">TS</a>]

01:33:18   to bring it to the store either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5598">TS</a>]

01:33:19   especially it's so hard to get an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5599">TS</a>]

01:33:21   appointment and it's annoying to be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5601">TS</a>]

01:33:22   there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5602">TS</a>]

01:33:23   I don't know I just I feel like if if i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5603">TS</a>]

01:33:26   were to wager a guess I think it's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5606">TS</a>]

01:33:28   we ought our initial interpretation was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5608">TS</a>]

01:33:30   which is it's going to the cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5610">TS</a>]

01:33:33   included in the box maybe lightning to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5613">TS</a>]

01:33:36   USB see that falls down though because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5616">TS</a>]

01:33:38   of what marco was describing about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5618">TS</a>]

01:33:39   the entirety of power charging in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5619">TS</a>]

01:33:41   world is all done via USB a I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5621">TS</a>]

01:33:46   Apple this is one of the old school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5626">TS</a>]

01:33:47   things where I would say would Apple do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5627">TS</a>]

01:33:49   this one hundred percent I totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5629">TS</a>]

01:33:50   believe Apple would would go lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5630">TS</a>]

01:33:52   to USB see despite everything we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5632">TS</a>]

01:33:53   said and we all agree on the USBA is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5633">TS</a>]

01:33:56   more common why would Apple do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5636">TS</a>]

01:33:58   because they'd be like this is our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5638">TS</a>]

01:33:59   connector for our stuff and our power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5639">TS</a>]

01:34:01   bricks and our computers and by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5641">TS</a>]

01:34:03   we sell the other one for a reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5643">TS</a>]

01:34:05   price so buy more peripherals from us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5645">TS</a>]

01:34:06   and you know buy more adapters and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5646">TS</a>]

01:34:08   fine i 100% believe Apple to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5648">TS</a>]

01:34:11   it's just hard to sell tell from this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5651">TS</a>]

01:34:13   rumor and speaking of hardware virus I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5653">TS</a>]

01:34:15   hope this rumor is a different kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5655">TS</a>]

01:34:17   hardware virus and that even as if Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5657">TS</a>]

01:34:20   is either doing the boring thing or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5660">TS</a>]

01:34:22   doing anything and they just come with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5662">TS</a>]

01:34:23   plain old USB a to lightning connectors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5663">TS</a>]

01:34:25   like every other thing the fact of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5665">TS</a>]

01:34:27   story is out there that I'm you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5667">TS</a>]

01:34:29   every tech site and the wall street [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5669">TS</a>]

01:34:30   journal in podcast and everybody are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5670">TS</a>]

01:34:32   talking about it and it seems to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5672">TS</a>]

01:34:35   collectively slowly convincing ourselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5675">TS</a>]

01:34:36   to this would be a good idea it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5676">TS</a>]

01:34:38   great if somewhere it out there like no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5678">TS</a>]

01:34:40   Wall Street Journal that's not what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5680">TS</a>]

01:34:42   were supposed to be leaking at all it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5682">TS</a>]

01:34:44   just a bit too much the other end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5684">TS</a>]

01:34:45   cake and then come the time when when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5685">TS</a>]

01:34:47   the new iphone is released we're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5687">TS</a>]

01:34:48   disappointed that it doesn't have USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5688">TS</a>]

01:34:50   see Apple be like that wouldn't away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5690">TS</a>]

01:34:51   from us so it's like a hardware mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5691">TS</a>]

01:34:53   virus Wow yeah I don't know what to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5693">TS</a>]

01:34:56   of it like it wouldn't entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5696">TS</a>]

01:34:58   surprised me at the phone itself had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5698">TS</a>]

01:35:00   USBC port on it but I just I keep coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5700">TS</a>]

01:35:02   back to and I can't get past what is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5702">TS</a>]

01:35:04   really doing for the device like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5704">TS</a>]

01:35:07   what problem is that solving for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5707">TS</a>]

01:35:09   device I'm not saying there isn't one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5709">TS</a>]

01:35:11   it's making a lot of things more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5711">TS</a>]

01:35:12   convenient and in in the very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5712">TS</a>]

01:35:14   likely future that we're going to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5714">TS</a>]

01:35:16   because you know android is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5716">TS</a>]

01:35:19   doing this so we're going to have all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5719">TS</a>]

01:35:20   these USBC cables out there in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5720">TS</a>]

01:35:21   it's going to be very very convenient if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5721">TS</a>]

01:35:24   we also if we not only can just have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5724">TS</a>]

01:35:26   cable but then you can plug in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5726">TS</a>]

01:35:27   iphone to any of these things anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5727">TS</a>]

01:35:29   that's going to be incredibly it's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5729">TS</a>]

01:35:31   keeping it for just people who travel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5731">TS</a>]

01:35:33   with an iphone and the laptop and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5733">TS</a>]

01:35:36   you can have one charger that you kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5736">TS</a>]

01:35:38   of switch between them as needed or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5738">TS</a>]

01:35:40   can swap cables between them if what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5740">TS</a>]

01:35:42   you forget one of the cables or one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5742">TS</a>]

01:35:43   them goes bad or you only have one long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5743">TS</a>]

01:35:46   table and one short cable and you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5746">TS</a>]

01:35:48   to flip where they are for a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5748">TS</a>]

01:35:49   arrangement that you have when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5749">TS</a>]

01:35:50   traveling or something like there's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5750">TS</a>]

01:35:52   sorts of like everyday practical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5752">TS</a>]

01:35:54   advantages that this could bring in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5754">TS</a>]

01:35:57   world where everything else is us bc and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5757">TS</a>]

01:35:59   i think it's very clear we are heading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5759">TS</a>]

01:36:00   towards that world like the rubber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5760">TS</a>]

01:36:02   everything else is USBC that's happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5762">TS</a>]

01:36:04   Apple is leading the charge with the max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5764">TS</a>]

01:36:07   like so that's obviously happening it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5767">TS</a>]

01:36:10   here like if you've bought a new macbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5770">TS</a>]

01:36:12   pro in the last five months you already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5772">TS</a>]

01:36:16   are in this world at least partially and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5776">TS</a>]

01:36:17   as they update the imax hopefully in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5777">TS</a>]

01:36:19   few weeks and everything else like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5779">TS</a>]

01:36:21   know over the next couple years like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5781">TS</a>]

01:36:23   you buy a new mac it is almost certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5783">TS</a>]

01:36:25   going to be all USB see so again like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5785">TS</a>]

01:36:28   this world is here this is happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5788">TS</a>]

01:36:31   this is already a thing there's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5791">TS</a>]

01:36:33   sorts of great accessories for us bc now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5793">TS</a>]

01:36:36   like think of all the all that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5796">TS</a>]

01:36:38   standard you know just how like iOS has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5798">TS</a>]

01:36:40   had support for standard USB devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5800">TS</a>]

01:36:42   like like standard hid things standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5802">TS</a>]

01:36:45   sound devices things that without any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5805">TS</a>]

01:36:46   drivers or anything for a long time now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5806">TS</a>]

01:36:48   but in order to plug them in you had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5808">TS</a>]

01:36:49   get one of those like lightning to USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5809">TS</a>]

01:36:50   camera connection kit adapters and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5810">TS</a>]

01:36:53   would actually allow the phone to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5813">TS</a>]

01:36:55   like a standard port that is always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5815">TS</a>]

01:36:58   there that can support a whole bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5818">TS</a>]

01:37:00   new devices that can make you feel more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5820">TS</a>]

01:37:02   useful in certain like specialized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5822">TS</a>]

01:37:04   scenarios so there's like there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5824">TS</a>]

01:37:05   everyday practicality of all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5825">TS</a>]

01:37:06   different charge cables that are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5826">TS</a>]

01:37:08   to be everywhere there's carrying it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5828">TS</a>]

01:37:09   with you in a bag full of a USBC laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5829">TS</a>]

01:37:12   with all the USBC cables you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5832">TS</a>]

01:37:13   have for that not having to have two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5833">TS</a>]

01:37:14   separate sets of cables with difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5834">TS</a>]

01:37:15   in two connectors and everything it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5835">TS</a>]

01:37:17   just tons of everyday practicality plus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5837">TS</a>]

01:37:19   all this edge case power that you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5839">TS</a>]

01:37:21   have by having this device be a member [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5841">TS</a>]

01:37:24   of the USBC ecosystem a first class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5844">TS</a>]

01:37:26   member have it be a USBC host device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5846">TS</a>]

01:37:28   that can have other USBC things put into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5848">TS</a>]

01:37:30   it and have that just work in addition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5850">TS</a>]

01:37:32   to being charged and everything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5852">TS</a>]

01:37:34   eventually have Thunderbolt 3 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5854">TS</a>]

01:37:35   Thunderbolt 7 on your phone's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5855">TS</a>]

01:37:37   maybe I mean they probably they wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5857">TS</a>]

01:37:39   probably even need that because USB 3 is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5859">TS</a>]

01:37:41   already really fast for most things a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5861">TS</a>]

01:37:43   phone would be transferring over an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5863">TS</a>]

01:37:44   external bus you would do it for a video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5864">TS</a>]

01:37:46   outline on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5866">TS</a>]

01:37:47   the 27 inch iPad pro so you could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5867">TS</a>]

01:37:49   two of them next to each other actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5869">TS</a>]

01:37:51   it's pretty cool but yeah yeah and again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5871">TS</a>]

01:37:53   and then I'll also think of the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5873">TS</a>]

01:37:54   we're like if they want to bring the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5874">TS</a>]

01:37:56   ipad forward in a big way one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5876">TS</a>]

01:37:58   ways to do that would be to give it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5878">TS</a>]

01:37:59   USB port of some of some kind and of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5879">TS</a>]

01:38:02   course these days that would be a USBC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5882">TS</a>]

01:38:03   port and if you have that why would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5883">TS</a>]

01:38:05   keep lightning there and if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5885">TS</a>]

01:38:06   getting rid of lightning there might as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5886">TS</a>]

01:38:08   well also get lightning on the phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5888">TS</a>]

01:38:10   also be a lot more comfortable with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5890">TS</a>]

01:38:12   European Union in the process so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5892">TS</a>]

01:38:15   lots of reasons to do it and I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5895">TS</a>]

01:38:18   Casey so you know as and I think the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5898">TS</a>]

01:38:20   of us who's who's most cool on this idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5900">TS</a>]

01:38:22   would you at least agree that if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5902">TS</a>]

01:38:25   were starting clean today with no with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5905">TS</a>]

01:38:27   no legacy baggage would USBC be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5907">TS</a>]

01:38:29   right choice Oh without question and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5909">TS</a>]

01:38:33   know sitting here thinking about it um I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5913">TS</a>]

01:38:35   I feel like the only way this makes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5915">TS</a>]

01:38:40   that this feels better to me is if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5920">TS</a>]

01:38:43   inductive charging really is a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5923">TS</a>]

01:38:45   right because although i plug in phone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5925">TS</a>]

01:38:48   constantly because i'm a developer I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5928">TS</a>]

01:38:50   like Aaron for example she the only time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5930">TS</a>]

01:38:54   she ever plugs her phone into anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5934">TS</a>]

01:38:55   it's just the wall to charge it and yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5935">TS</a>]

01:39:00   it would be kind of a pain in the butt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5940">TS</a>]

01:39:01   if she had to bring her like charging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5941">TS</a>]

01:39:03   pad everywhere she goes in order to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5943">TS</a>]

01:39:05   charge your phone but that makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5945">TS</a>]

01:39:08   sting a little bit less I feel like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5948">TS</a>]

01:39:11   don't know why maybe now that I'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5951">TS</a>]

01:39:12   that out loud it seems bananas to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5952">TS</a>]

01:39:14   because it's really no different because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5954">TS</a>]

01:39:16   you know if it's USB see them then we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5956">TS</a>]

01:39:18   would have to bring that specific USBC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5958">TS</a>]

01:39:20   cable because it would be the only one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5960">TS</a>]

01:39:21   in the house but if it's an inductive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5961">TS</a>]

01:39:23   charging pad suddenly that's better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5963">TS</a>]

01:39:25   because I don't know why but it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5965">TS</a>]

01:39:26   feels better to me even though I admit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5966">TS</a>]

01:39:29   that that makes no sense so maybe maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5969">TS</a>]

01:39:32   that's the fix is inductive charging is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5972">TS</a>]

01:39:34   the thing since it's wireless and apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5974">TS</a>]

01:39:36   hates wires and you know USBC for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5976">TS</a>]

01:39:39   you know Apple TV style if you need it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5979">TS</a>]

01:39:41   don't know I I think that's a charging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5981">TS</a>]

01:39:44   is probably a separate thing like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5984">TS</a>]

01:39:46   the kind of thing where like if it ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5986">TS</a>]

01:39:48   makes sense to do in an iphone which so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5988">TS</a>]

01:39:51   far it seems like the the uses that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5991">TS</a>]

01:39:53   been out there in the world so far have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5993">TS</a>]

01:39:55   not been very compelling for lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5995">TS</a>]

01:39:57   different reasons some of which seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5997">TS</a>]

01:39:59   insurmountable but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/5999">TS</a>]

01:40:01   we'll see if that ever changes but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6001">TS</a>]

01:40:03   things like the horrible efficiency of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6003">TS</a>]

01:40:05   it and the incredible close proximity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6005">TS</a>]

01:40:08   need to have to the charging device but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6008">TS</a>]

01:40:11   anyway or the pad whatever it is but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6011">TS</a>]

01:40:13   see this is separate things you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6013">TS</a>]

01:40:15   like you know it's it's very high and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6015">TS</a>]

01:40:17   even like Apple I said this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6017">TS</a>]

01:40:19   multiplication i think phil has it made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6019">TS</a>]

01:40:20   a few comments to this degree you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6020">TS</a>]

01:40:22   you have a wire you can plug this into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6022">TS</a>]

01:40:24   charge it's no big deal like wireless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6024">TS</a>]

01:40:26   charging sounds great if you think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6026">TS</a>]

01:40:28   like oh I could just walk around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6028">TS</a>]

01:40:29   everywhere my whole house my whole work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6029">TS</a>]

01:40:31   my the whole world outside maybe and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6031">TS</a>]

01:40:34   phone just always charged from the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6034">TS</a>]

01:40:36   but that probably isn't what it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6036">TS</a>]

01:40:38   it would probably be like you just have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6038">TS</a>]

01:40:40   these wireless charging pads like on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6040">TS</a>]

01:40:43   your desk and stuff like that isn't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6043">TS</a>]

01:40:44   much better than a cable oh that's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6044">TS</a>]

01:40:46   it's pretty pretty better than a cable i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6046">TS</a>]

01:40:48   think i think if you just have think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6048">TS</a>]

01:40:50   the area in everybody's house where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6050">TS</a>]

01:40:52   dump all their devices to charge in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6052">TS</a>]

01:40:53   rat's nest of wires that they have there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6053">TS</a>]

01:40:55   if there was just a nice pad and I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6055">TS</a>]

01:40:57   just pile things on top of it and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6057">TS</a>]

01:40:58   assuming they just go with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6058">TS</a>]

01:41:00   inductive charging with this type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6060">TS</a>]

01:41:01   thing if they go with the what was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6061">TS</a>]

01:41:03   company called the wasn't Steve Pearlman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6063">TS</a>]

01:41:05   the onlive guy I forget anyway the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6065">TS</a>]

01:41:08   beamforming when I kind of tech that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6068">TS</a>]

01:41:10   could be used to deliver power P [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6070">TS</a>]

01:41:12   something that's the thing that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6072">TS</a>]

01:41:14   talking to said I'm wandering around my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6074">TS</a>]

01:41:15   house when my thing is charging and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6075">TS</a>]

01:41:17   is way way way slower but even if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6077">TS</a>]

01:41:20   just like within the same room like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6080">TS</a>]

01:41:21   imagine putting your phone on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6081">TS</a>]

01:41:23   nightstand to charge at night but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6083">TS</a>]

01:41:25   plugging it in and not having to put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6085">TS</a>]

01:41:27   on a pad and not having your brain Sully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6087">TS</a>]

01:41:29   microwave by the thing that's near yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6089">TS</a>]

01:41:31   that's a little concerning to be honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6091">TS</a>]

01:41:33   and then my phones you can scratch it by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6093">TS</a>]

01:41:35   the by my nightstand like I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6095">TS</a>]

01:41:37   little dock it's great see I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6097">TS</a>]

01:41:39   think the real reason why dog industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6099">TS</a>]

01:41:41   yeah yeah I know I think the real reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6101">TS</a>]

01:41:43   why Apple is going to switch the USBC on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6103">TS</a>]

01:41:45   the phone is that I just got these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6105">TS</a>]

01:41:48   awesome studio need docs for everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6108">TS</a>]

01:41:50   and they're really nice so now whenever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6110">TS</a>]

01:41:52   i buy new docks last time when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6112">TS</a>]

01:41:54   change the Lightning was right after i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6114">TS</a>]

01:41:55   bought the elevation dock and so now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6115">TS</a>]

01:41:58   that i bought new docks finally i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6118">TS</a>]

01:42:00   finally replaced my elevation docks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6120">TS</a>]

01:42:01   after five years or what however long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6121">TS</a>]

01:42:03   it's been now Apple is going to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6123">TS</a>]

01:42:06   away from lightning and maybe buy all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6126">TS</a>]

01:42:07   new docks well the good news for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6127">TS</a>]

01:42:10   Kickstarter for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6130">TS</a>]

01:42:12   iOS device Doc's made of like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6132">TS</a>]

01:42:15   fancy burled walnut and all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6135">TS</a>]

01:42:17   other things I have the good news is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6137">TS</a>]

01:42:19   that once wireless charging is here you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6139">TS</a>]

01:42:21   can still sell those same docs it's even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6141">TS</a>]

01:42:22   easier because they don't have to even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6142">TS</a>]

01:42:24   charge it's just basically like a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6144">TS</a>]

01:42:26   stand for your phone like a little home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6146">TS</a>]

01:42:28   for it just it props it up and makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6148">TS</a>]

01:42:30   look cute because in the end I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6150">TS</a>]

01:42:33   know you think that IO is a charging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6153">TS</a>]

01:42:34   dock it's very important that it charted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6154">TS</a>]

01:42:36   in the end it's a little stand for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6156">TS</a>]

01:42:38   phone it's a nice stand for my phone I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6158">TS</a>]

01:42:41   know I'm just saying like that industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6161">TS</a>]

01:42:43   will not be decimated by wireless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6163">TS</a>]

01:42:44   charging in fact that industry will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6164">TS</a>]

01:42:46   freed from having to worry about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6166">TS</a>]

01:42:47   silly electronics and they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6167">TS</a>]

01:42:49   concentrate where they really care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6169">TS</a>]

01:42:50   which is fine materials and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6170">TS</a>]

01:42:53   craftsmanship and so on and so forth and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6173">TS</a>]

01:42:55   you can use all the money you're saving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6175">TS</a>]

01:42:56   by not buying two sets of cables for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6176">TS</a>]

01:42:58   everything and just dump it all into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6178">TS</a>]

01:42:59   docs that's right yea Bwana made from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6179">TS</a>]

01:43:01   what is your little heavy cylinder made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6181">TS</a>]

01:43:03   out of tungsten tungsten yeah thanks to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6183">TS</a>]

01:43:07   our three sponsors this week Casper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6187">TS</a>]

01:43:08   betterment and square space and we will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6188">TS</a>]

01:43:10   see you next week now the show is over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6190">TS</a>]

01:43:16   they didn't even mean to begin as it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6196">TS</a>]

01:43:20   accidental oh it was accidental John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6200">TS</a>]

01:43:25   didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6205">TS</a>]

01:43:26   research Marco and Casey wouldn't let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6206">TS</a>]

01:43:29   him cuz it was accidental and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6209">TS</a>]

01:43:33   accidental and you can find the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6213">TS</a>]

01:43:37   notes at adp FM and if more into twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6217">TS</a>]

01:43:42   you can follow them at cas eyl ISS so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6222">TS</a>]

01:43:50   that's Casey list and a our CEO a RM can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6230">TS</a>]

01:43:54   t marco arment SI r kc us a Syracuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6234">TS</a>]

01:44:13   ah what is going on my mouse every great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6253">TS</a>]

01:44:16   once in a while this happens my beloved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6256">TS</a>]

01:44:18   magic mouse is like lagging to hell and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6258">TS</a>]

01:44:21   it just just wants to be harpooned yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6261">TS</a>]

01:44:23   it happens to me too you see me tweeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6263">TS</a>]

01:44:25   about that a few days ago oh yeah you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6265">TS</a>]

01:44:27   right i never i don't think i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6267">TS</a>]

01:44:29   told you it never happens to me in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6269">TS</a>]

01:44:30   but I lied I'm a darn dirty liar that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6270">TS</a>]

01:44:33   that just happened to me and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6273">TS</a>]

01:44:34   the first time it's happened it appears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6274">TS</a>]

01:44:36   to happen to everybody who has any apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6276">TS</a>]

01:44:40   bluetooth pointing device it happens to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6280">TS</a>]

01:44:42   the track pads and the mice it happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6282">TS</a>]

01:44:44   to the old mice that use double a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6284">TS</a>]

01:44:45   batteries and the new one that have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6285">TS</a>]

01:44:47   rechargeable harpoon thing it happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6287">TS</a>]

01:44:49   whether you're at a high battery level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6289">TS</a>]

01:44:50   or a low battery level there seems to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6290">TS</a>]

01:44:53   very little correlation to any of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6293">TS</a>]

01:44:55   factors it just seems to happen to all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6295">TS</a>]

01:44:57   of apple bluetooth devices so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6297">TS</a>]

01:44:59   probably an issue with either all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6299">TS</a>]

01:45:01   Bluetooth devices or at least apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6301">TS</a>]

01:45:04   Bluetooth devices doesn't happen to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6304">TS</a>]

01:45:06   wired keyboard or my wired logitech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6306">TS</a>]

01:45:08   mouse from 1992 oh you're so old never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6308">TS</a>]

01:45:12   doesn't stutter doesn't need to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6312">TS</a>]

01:45:14   recharged now I the mac pro that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6314">TS</a>]

01:45:17   have i'm pretty sure bluetooth was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6317">TS</a>]

01:45:18   optional do you have bluetooth on that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6318">TS</a>]

01:45:21   don't know let's go find out I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6321">TS</a>]

01:45:24   was like I think it was like a 60-hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6324">TS</a>]

01:45:25   option turn bluetooth on there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6325">TS</a>]

01:45:28   button that says that i think i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6328">TS</a>]

01:45:30   click it it is currently off so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6330">TS</a>]

01:45:31   gonna sue my head oh yeah the poor me do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6331">TS</a>]

01:45:33   you have it I did not get the Wi-Fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6333">TS</a>]

01:45:35   option on this by the way he s I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6335">TS</a>]

01:45:37   thinking of so my mac does not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6337">TS</a>]

01:45:39   Wi-Fi maybe on I wonder if the 2006 Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6339">TS</a>]

01:45:43   Pro maybe Bluetooth option on that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6343">TS</a>]

01:45:44   and maybe there's only Wi-Fi on yours it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6344">TS</a>]

01:45:46   might have an optional mine I might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6346">TS</a>]

01:45:48   I might have checked the bluetooth boxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6348">TS</a>]

01:45:49   and I'm like maybe I'll get bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6349">TS</a>]

01:45:50   peripherals Here I am eight years later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6350">TS</a>]

01:45:52   still no bluetooth peripherals hey what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6352">TS</a>]

01:45:56   else there to talk about you talk more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6356">TS</a>]

01:45:58   about the mac pro if you want hard pass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6358">TS</a>]

01:46:01   and I gotta get mean Tim Cook said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6361">TS</a>]

01:46:03   nothing again yeah that's why that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6363">TS</a>]

01:46:05   it's not you know this is not even on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6365">TS</a>]

01:46:07   the topic this because there's nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6367">TS</a>]

01:46:09   to discuss cuz there was nothing said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6369">TS</a>]

01:46:11   well I'll give my two cents that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6371">TS</a>]

01:46:14   already gave and slacked it to put this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6374">TS</a>]

01:46:15   one to bed it's uh he was asked in to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6375">TS</a>]

01:46:18   shareholders meeting about like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6378">TS</a>]

01:46:20   pro hardware and all the stuff we always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6380">TS</a>]

01:46:21   whine about and he gave the same kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6381">TS</a>]

01:46:23   non-committal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6383">TS</a>]

01:46:24   like oh you know where we have things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6384">TS</a>]

01:46:26   coming for pros and we do care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6386">TS</a>]

01:46:28   them despite all our actions to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6388">TS</a>]

01:46:30   contrary but he didn't say I'm being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6390">TS</a>]

01:46:31   sarcastic man but anyway he gave the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6391">TS</a>]

01:46:32   same kind of an answer he did last time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6392">TS</a>]

01:46:34   that we talked about the lettuce to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6394">TS</a>]

01:46:35   believe that an imac pro is coming or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6395">TS</a>]

01:46:37   something and there was some discussion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6397">TS</a>]

01:46:39   about like all right it what's so bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6399">TS</a>]

01:46:41   about this like in the hierarchy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6401">TS</a>]

01:46:43   things that Tim Cook could have said or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6403">TS</a>]

01:46:45   done in relation to that where does this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6405">TS</a>]

01:46:47   fall and I feel like saying nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6407">TS</a>]

01:46:49   would have still been worse it's I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6409">TS</a>]

01:46:52   like at this point it when there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6412">TS</a>]

01:46:53   problem that a bunch of people see like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6413">TS</a>]

01:46:55   some people are cranky about pro mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6415">TS</a>]

01:46:56   hardware right saying nothing is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6416">TS</a>]

01:46:59   worst choice because that's just like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6419">TS</a>]

01:47:01   just makes people angry it's like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6421">TS</a>]

01:47:02   ignoring them or you're bearing that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6422">TS</a>]

01:47:03   the same people want some kind of answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6423">TS</a>]

01:47:05   saying something boring and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6425">TS</a>]

01:47:07   non-committal and vague that's basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6427">TS</a>]

01:47:08   like Apple saying we think we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6428">TS</a>]

01:47:11   something for you is better than nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6431">TS</a>]

01:47:13   because at the very least it says all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6433">TS</a>]

01:47:15   right well this whether Apple whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6435">TS</a>]

01:47:17   it's true or not Apple thinks they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6437">TS</a>]

01:47:20   something that we're going to like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6440">TS</a>]

01:47:21   the future and you know that's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6441">TS</a>]

01:47:23   vague but like it strings us along and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6443">TS</a>]

01:47:26   then I feel like the best thing they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6446">TS</a>]

01:47:29   could have done is give a strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6449">TS</a>]

01:47:31   definitive answer that acknowledges the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6451">TS</a>]

01:47:34   acknowledges the issue and then comes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6454">TS</a>]

01:47:36   a conclusion and so that could be we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6456">TS</a>]

01:47:39   hear your concerns what we've decided we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6459">TS</a>]

01:47:41   don't want to be in the pearl hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6461">TS</a>]

01:47:42   business anymore perfectly valid it puts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6462">TS</a>]

01:47:44   a lot end to all of our whining right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6464">TS</a>]

01:47:45   look is like well what's done is done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6465">TS</a>]

01:47:47   you know we can yell them about it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6467">TS</a>]

01:47:49   least we have a definitive answer or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6469">TS</a>]

01:47:50   they could say we've heard your concerns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6470">TS</a>]

01:47:52   we realize who dropped the ball but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6472">TS</a>]

01:47:54   are going to rededicate ourselves to pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6474">TS</a>]

01:47:56   hardware they didn't say that either so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6476">TS</a>]

01:47:58   we get that we get the middle one the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6478">TS</a>]

01:48:00   vague answer that tells us nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6480">TS</a>]

01:48:01   there's still better than nothing but is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6481">TS</a>]

01:48:03   still much worse than Apple definitively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6483">TS</a>]

01:48:06   coming down in one direction or another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6486">TS</a>]

01:48:07   they don't have to announce new products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6487">TS</a>]

01:48:09   they don't have to promise them they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6489">TS</a>]

01:48:10   could have said you know they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6490">TS</a>]

01:48:12   acknowledge the situation say we realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6492">TS</a>]

01:48:14   we've dropped the ball and either but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6494">TS</a>]

01:48:17   we've decided together this market or we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6497">TS</a>]

01:48:19   are going to rededicate ourselves and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6499">TS</a>]

01:48:21   they didn't do either one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6501">TS</a>]

01:48:22   things so it's business as usual I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6502">TS</a>]

01:48:24   you and I just have different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6504">TS</a>]

01:48:25   definitions of what nothing means you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6505">TS</a>]

01:48:28   think he didn't say nothing I think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6508">TS</a>]

01:48:30   did say nothing but well not because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6510">TS</a>]

01:48:33   I by not by not saying like we're sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6513">TS</a>]

01:48:37   you feel that like remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6517">TS</a>]

01:48:38   Final Cut Pro 10 thing what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6518">TS</a>]

01:48:40   basically said with that was like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6520">TS</a>]

01:48:41   sorry you feel this way big Final Cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6521">TS</a>]

01:48:43   Pro 10 is the future get used to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6523">TS</a>]

01:48:44   right so instead of saying we're sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6524">TS</a>]

01:48:46   you're sad about the pearl hardware but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6526">TS</a>]

01:48:48   we're not doing that anymore get used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6528">TS</a>]

01:48:49   it like but like what that what he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6529">TS</a>]

01:48:51   trying to say what he tries to say every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6531">TS</a>]

01:48:53   time in this vague thing is like I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6533">TS</a>]

01:48:56   you're sad now and I will not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6536">TS</a>]

01:48:58   acknowledge that your sadness is founded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6538">TS</a>]

01:48:59   in anything I know you're sad now but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6539">TS</a>]

01:49:01   have some really great stuff coming in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6541">TS</a>]

01:49:03   the future and he always says that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6543">TS</a>]

01:49:06   Tim it's a Tim Cook ism to say boy we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6546">TS</a>]

01:49:09   have a great road map we have great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6549">TS</a>]

01:49:11   things coming and he says it frequently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6551">TS</a>]

01:49:13   in earnings calls for years and years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6553">TS</a>]

01:49:15   he's been saying in earnings calls and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6555">TS</a>]

01:49:16   if you look back on those earring calls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6556">TS</a>]

01:49:18   and you try to say three years ago when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6558">TS</a>]

01:49:20   he said that on the earnings call what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6560">TS</a>]

01:49:22   was he talking about what product was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6562">TS</a>]

01:49:24   he's always so jazzed he's like we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6564">TS</a>]

01:49:26   some great things coming we have amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6566">TS</a>]

01:49:27   product line I think you're gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6567">TS</a>]

01:49:29   super duper impressed and we get all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6569">TS</a>]

01:49:30   excited and then if you go forward three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6570">TS</a>]

01:49:32   years like when he said that what was he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6572">TS</a>]

01:49:34   even talking about like was he talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6574">TS</a>]

01:49:36   about the watch or was that was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6576">TS</a>]

01:49:38   like the new retina iPad Mini it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6578">TS</a>]

01:49:40   can't even tell what he was talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6580">TS</a>]

01:49:41   about even after the fact but he always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6581">TS</a>]

01:49:43   says like hang in there guys just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6583">TS</a>]

01:49:47   because you don't know that we're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6587">TS</a>]

01:49:48   do a thing trust me in the future we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6588">TS</a>]

01:49:50   gonna do a thing and you're gonna like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6590">TS</a>]

01:49:52   it and I think that is materially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6592">TS</a>]

01:49:53   different than literally saying nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6593">TS</a>]

01:49:55   like you know not answering the question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6595">TS</a>]

01:49:57   and it is also different than then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6597">TS</a>]

01:49:59   actually definitively saying they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6599">TS</a>]

01:50:01   aren't going to going to rededicate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6601">TS</a>]

01:50:03   themselves to the pro market let's see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6603">TS</a>]

01:50:05   it's because you can't associate what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6605">TS</a>]

01:50:08   says anything even after the fact it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6608">TS</a>]

01:50:10   basically means nothing because it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6610">TS</a>]

01:50:13   you can apply his words to whatever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6613">TS</a>]

01:50:16   want them to be and he knows that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6616">TS</a>]

01:50:19   it that it's a non-committal statement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6619">TS</a>]

01:50:21   so if he says we have great things down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6621">TS</a>]

01:50:23   the pipe and it isn't at all what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6623">TS</a>]

01:50:25   want then by that's hot but then like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6625">TS</a>]

01:50:27   you know when later comes and the great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6627">TS</a>]

01:50:29   things they release aren't what you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6629">TS</a>]

01:50:30   what it doesn't invalidate what he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6630">TS</a>]

01:50:33   it just then then they're just a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6633">TS</a>]

01:50:35   excusive well they made something new it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6635">TS</a>]

01:50:37   just wasn't for you they know that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6637">TS</a>]

01:50:39   fuck all right but what if they never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6639">TS</a>]

01:50:40   made another thing that they even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6640">TS</a>]

01:50:42   pretended was her pro people they never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6642">TS</a>]

01:50:44   made an imac pro like because then we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6644">TS</a>]

01:50:46   could call him on it but by him saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6646">TS</a>]

01:50:48   this it's it's clear that Apple thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6648">TS</a>]

01:50:50   they have something that propia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6650">TS</a>]

01:50:51   like they may be wrong no it's in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6651">TS</a>]

01:50:53   past but at the very least I think what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6653">TS</a>]

01:50:56   this says is is them saying we are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6656">TS</a>]

01:50:59   to release a new mac that we think will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6659">TS</a>]

01:51:01   appeal to pros and all of us can say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6661">TS</a>]

01:51:02   cynically well you're probably wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6662">TS</a>]

01:51:04   they probably won't appeal to pros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6664">TS</a>]

01:51:05   because you wrote your track record here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6665">TS</a>]

01:51:07   is crap but at least you think you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6667">TS</a>]

01:51:09   something a little appeals to pros which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6669">TS</a>]

01:51:11   is more substantive than just saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6671">TS</a>]

01:51:12   vague we have something coming I mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6672">TS</a>]

01:51:15   eventually build up to the point like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6675">TS</a>]

01:51:17   did right before the trashcan we're at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6677">TS</a>]

01:51:18   that point they were like stay tuned for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6678">TS</a>]

01:51:22   exciting new Pro hardware which we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6682">TS</a>]

01:51:26   thought was going to be in a mac pro and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6686">TS</a>]

01:51:27   totally was a new mac pro and so we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6687">TS</a>]

01:51:29   see if that it builds to that but I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6689">TS</a>]

01:51:31   like what Tim Cook is saying on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6691">TS</a>]

01:51:33   harbourfront here's like we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6693">TS</a>]

01:51:35   introduce a product that we think people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6695">TS</a>]

01:51:36   who like the old Mac Pro will like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6696">TS</a>]

01:51:38   we probably won't because it'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6698">TS</a>]

01:51:40   online I pro but whatever that's what i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6700">TS</a>]

01:51:42   think is coming that is even what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6702">TS</a>]

01:51:43   said it like what he said was like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6703">TS</a>]

01:51:45   know things for like pro markets and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6705">TS</a>]

01:51:47   especially creative pros you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6707">TS</a>]

01:51:50   Apple pitches for creative pros the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6710">TS</a>]

01:51:52   pro and the macbook pro everything Tim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6712">TS</a>]

01:51:55   Cook said could be just in reference to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6715">TS</a>]

01:51:57   the updated imax and iPad pros they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6717">TS</a>]

01:52:00   gonna launch in two weeks or whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6720">TS</a>]

01:52:01   is like that like that something like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6721">TS</a>]

01:52:03   doesn't mean anything I don't thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6723">TS</a>]

01:52:05   about that all right so if those are set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6725">TS</a>]

01:52:08   like if if in a year there's been no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6728">TS</a>]

01:52:10   motion on anything that Apple's even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6730">TS</a>]

01:52:13   pitching as a Mac made for pros I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6733">TS</a>]

01:52:16   people will be angry and they'll come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6736">TS</a>]

01:52:18   back at Cinco can say you didn't deliver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6738">TS</a>]

01:52:20   on those things as opposed to his other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6740">TS</a>]

01:52:21   we have this great road maps the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6741">TS</a>]

01:52:23   is we could cite well they did release a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6743">TS</a>]

01:52:25   lot of cool stuff and any of that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6745">TS</a>]

01:52:26   could have applied we just can't tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6746">TS</a>]

01:52:28   what the hell he was talking about but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6748">TS</a>]

01:52:29   it's not as if they didn't deliver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6749">TS</a>]

01:52:30   because every year Apple releases great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6750">TS</a>]

01:52:32   new stuff somewhere it's just never to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6752">TS</a>]

01:52:34   stop max right so I I think that if know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6754">TS</a>]

01:52:38   if it really is just like the new iPads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6758">TS</a>]

01:52:40   people will be like well that's not what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6760">TS</a>]

01:52:42   we thought you were talking about it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6762">TS</a>]

01:52:43   and they'll be pissed about and they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6763">TS</a>]

01:52:44   come back even angrier with the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6764">TS</a>]

01:52:45   question whereas if Apple releases an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6765">TS</a>]

01:52:47   imac pro people like oh all right well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6767">TS</a>]

01:52:50   guess this is what he was talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6770">TS</a>]

01:52:51   but surprise were not happy because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6771">TS</a>]

01:52:53   wanted a better Mac Pro my concern with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6773">TS</a>]

01:52:56   with cooks remarks in this area and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6776">TS</a>]

01:52:59   the resulting products that come out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6779">TS</a>]

01:53:00   Apple is that especially because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6780">TS</a>]

01:53:03   specifically called out he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6783">TS</a>]

01:53:05   he's someone ones like you know cruisers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6785">TS</a>]

01:53:07   especially creative pros and they keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6787">TS</a>]

01:53:10   referring to a creative force created [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6790">TS</a>]

01:53:12   for is it seems like apples image of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6792">TS</a>]

01:53:15   what a creative pro is is somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6795">TS</a>]

01:53:18   drawing with the pencil on an iPad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6798">TS</a>]

01:53:21   that's one type of creative pro but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6801">TS</a>]

01:53:24   that's a very very small percentage of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6804">TS</a>]

01:53:27   them and that's also an like creative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6807">TS</a>]

01:53:30   pros aren't all pros and Apple used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6810">TS</a>]

01:53:34   really own the market for so many kinds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6814">TS</a>]

01:53:38   of pros they've really owned those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6818">TS</a>]

01:53:40   markets so well for such a long time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6820">TS</a>]

01:53:42   it seems like all the market share that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6822">TS</a>]

01:53:47   they've like shaved off in recent years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6827">TS</a>]

01:53:48   by just neglect or cutting off support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6828">TS</a>]

01:53:51   or cutting off product lines or features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6831">TS</a>]

01:53:52   or whatever else are almost all like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6832">TS</a>]

01:53:56   Pro users that had it you know more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6836">TS</a>]

01:53:58   complex or higher end needs than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6838">TS</a>]

01:54:01   somebody drawing on an iPad and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6841">TS</a>]

01:54:03   doesn't seem like it seems like Tim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6843">TS</a>]

01:54:06   Cook's Apple just either doesn't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6846">TS</a>]

01:54:09   about the other kinds of pro work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6849">TS</a>]

01:54:11   needs that are out there or they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6851">TS</a>]

01:54:14   fundamentally don't understand it both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6854">TS</a>]

01:54:16   of which are scary possibilities to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6856">TS</a>]

01:54:18   but I think it's very clear that at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6858">TS</a>]

01:54:20   least one of those is true just that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6860">TS</a>]

01:54:22   mkbhd video where he was complaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6862">TS</a>]

01:54:24   about his mac pro you guys yeah I'd is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6864">TS</a>]

01:54:28   basically saying like he's he's got like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6868">TS</a>]

01:54:29   the old 12-core trashcan Mac Pro the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6869">TS</a>]

01:54:32   / current current yes the one you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6872">TS</a>]

01:54:34   still buy for like a thousand dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6874">TS</a>]

01:54:35   and he uses Final Cut Pro to edit his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6875">TS</a>]

01:54:38   videos and what he was basically saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6878">TS</a>]

01:54:40   is like people like why you even used in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6880">TS</a>]

01:54:41   that crappy old Mac why'd you get like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6881">TS</a>]

01:54:43   fancy PC it was like well I like Final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6883">TS</a>]

01:54:45   Cut for video editing I'm sure it's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6885">TS</a>]

01:54:46   he's used to and he's like I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6886">TS</a>]

01:54:47   plugged into the Final Cut that aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6887">TS</a>]

01:54:48   available elsewhere and so on and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6888">TS</a>]

01:54:50   forth I think that's a good canary the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6890">TS</a>]

01:54:53   whole Final Cut Pro think so aperture is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6893">TS</a>]

01:54:55   gone right Final Cut Pro is kind of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6895">TS</a>]

01:54:59   last bastion of proneness like the video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6899">TS</a>]

01:55:04   market right and it is currently being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6904">TS</a>]

01:55:07   woefully under served by their the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6907">TS</a>]

01:55:10   current trashcan and anything else I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6910">TS</a>]

01:55:11   feel like I mean maybe maybe I'm wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6911">TS</a>]

01:55:13   maybe people are editing entire movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6913">TS</a>]

01:55:15   on their macbook once and I'm just silly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6915">TS</a>]

01:55:17   for thinking this but whatever mkbhd who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6917">TS</a>]

01:55:19   does video for a living wants his mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6919">TS</a>]

01:55:21   pro maybe it's just cuz he's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6921">TS</a>]

01:55:22   computer gear head like we are no no he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6922">TS</a>]

01:55:26   actually needs it yeah but and he says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6926">TS</a>]

01:55:29   that even despite that 12 core being old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6929">TS</a>]

01:55:30   and creaky that he does still get better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6930">TS</a>]

01:55:33   performance than he would with adobe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6933">TS</a>]

01:55:34   premiere which is not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6934">TS</a>]

01:55:35   apples-to-apples comparison obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6935">TS</a>]

01:55:36   that he does on a dormir on a fancy pc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6936">TS</a>]

01:55:39   but up you know bomb eyes he just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6939">TS</a>]

01:55:41   Final Cut right if they drop final cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6941">TS</a>]

01:55:44   if they stop making it in the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6944">TS</a>]

01:55:45   they stopped making aperture that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6945">TS</a>]

01:55:48   be an extremely strong signal because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6948">TS</a>]

01:55:50   you're right Marco like what's left is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6950">TS</a>]

01:55:52   it just people making artisanal sketches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6952">TS</a>]

01:55:55   on virtual napkins is that it is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6955">TS</a>]

01:55:56   the only creative probe is even like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6956">TS</a>]

01:55:58   real creator pro CD is freaking Adobe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6958">TS</a>]

01:55:59   Illustrator like let's give your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6959">TS</a>]

01:56:01   photoshop and illustrator is what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6961">TS</a>]

01:56:02   need to use to do their jobs and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6962">TS</a>]

01:56:04   know maybe like a page layout type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6964">TS</a>]

01:56:06   thing creative professionals like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6966">TS</a>]

01:56:09   they say that i would think of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6969">TS</a>]

01:56:11   like aperture hope not there anymore or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6971">TS</a>]

01:56:13   lightroom because that's a mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6973">TS</a>]

01:56:14   application to write or things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6974">TS</a>]

01:56:17   Final Cut and premiere and so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6977">TS</a>]

01:56:19   markets like we again we've complained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6979">TS</a>]

01:56:21   about so we get all of emails as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6981">TS</a>]

01:56:22   self-selecting people saying I work in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6982">TS</a>]

01:56:24   this industry and I've watched my entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6984">TS</a>]

01:56:26   industry dump max as soon as they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6986">TS</a>]

01:56:27   switch all 2pcs because they realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6987">TS</a>]

01:56:29   that but doesn't care about them Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6989">TS</a>]

01:56:31   makes final cut it's their own program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6991">TS</a>]

01:56:33   presumably there is a team working on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6993">TS</a>]

01:56:34   right and they put a lot of effort into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6994">TS</a>]

01:56:36   the Final Cut Pro 10 being a big leap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6996">TS</a>]

01:56:38   over the other one and endured all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/6998">TS</a>]

01:56:40   problems with that program and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7000">TS</a>]

01:56:41   like like they as a company seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7001">TS</a>]

01:56:44   dedicated to resourcing and believing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7004">TS</a>]

01:56:46   that product in the same way that used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7006">TS</a>]

01:56:48   to for aperture I suppose if they drop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7008">TS</a>]

01:56:50   that then it will really be like alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7010">TS</a>]

01:56:52   Jim stop talking about professionals of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7012">TS</a>]

01:56:56   any kind creative or otherwise because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7016">TS</a>]

01:56:58   what the hell by the way on this mkbhd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7018">TS</a>]

01:57:02   video you know what he says right before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7022">TS</a>]

01:57:04   new Mac Pro obvious at my USB see ya yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7024">TS</a>]

01:57:07   well it's in the news it isn't the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7027">TS</a>]

01:57:09   Newsies reading the same stories we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7029">TS</a>]

01:57:11   they up me wants us bc everywhere he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7031">TS</a>]

01:57:13   so much cooler than us that that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7033">TS</a>]

01:57:16   pretty low bar I don't know he's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7036">TS</a>]

01:57:18   nerdy and you think he's cooler cuz he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7038">TS</a>]

01:57:20   young and handsome but he's pretty nerdy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7040">TS</a>]

01:57:22   no I think I'm pretty sure he's cooler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7042">TS</a>]

01:57:24   than us yeah I'm pretty sure he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7044">TS</a>]

01:57:26   considerate guy says it's a it's a low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7046">TS</a>]

01:57:28   bar is he's cooler than Casey let's see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7048">TS</a>]

01:57:30   well I don't know that's also a low bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7050">TS</a>]

01:57:32   that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7052">TS</a>]

01:57:32   if that's very flattering complimentary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7052">TS</a>]

01:57:33   of you trying to try to put the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7053">TS</a>]

01:57:35   coolest among us to try to see if we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7055">TS</a>]

01:57:38   we can reach up the lever I mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7058">TS</a>]

01:57:40   coolest among is definitely Casey and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7060">TS</a>]

01:57:42   sorry Casey I think he's cool with a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7062">TS</a>]

01:57:44   so I think therefore that solves that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7064">TS</a>]

01:57:46   solves the question right there I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7066">TS</a>]

01:57:48   I guess you're right maybe if we can if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7068">TS</a>]

01:57:50   we combine all three of our coolness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7070">TS</a>]

01:57:52   then maybe we can maybe maybe all of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7072">TS</a>]

01:57:55   combined like Voltron it would still be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7075">TS</a>]

01:57:58   I think it would still be a fight anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7078">TS</a>]

01:58:00   coolest counts for nothing in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7080">TS</a>]

01:58:01   industry witness Bill Gates Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7081">TS</a>]

01:58:06   Wozniak andy hertzfeld Bill Atkinson not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7086">TS</a>]

01:58:10   cool people they're cooling the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7090">TS</a>]

01:58:12   way Bill Gates is cool in no ways but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7092">TS</a>]

01:58:16   is the is the antimatter of cool curing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7096">TS</a>]

01:58:20   malaria not kids not carrying it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7100">TS</a>]

01:58:23   know what I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdScWDLg/7103">TS</a>]