00:00:00 ◼ ► not only to my kids not know how to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/0">TS</a>]
00:00:05 ◼ ► don't know how to use computers they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► they've never had to fix anything on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/10">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► computer it was like how do you learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/12">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► because when we were kids I Princeton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/16">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► know anything so that was known to ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/17">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► everything and figured out how to fix it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/22">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► that's basically how we how we figured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/23">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► this all happened my son had a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/25">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► appear only types capital letters and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/30">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► I came over and he was like in a Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/33">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► document and he's like look capital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/34">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► letters and it's not caps lock because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/37">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► cap lock light on or off either way just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/38">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► produces capital letters right and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/41">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► was that was it that was the extent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/42">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► his debugging like he'd he knew catbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/44">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► resisted and he had tried toggling it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/46">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► position lightest animal position a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/50">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► is off but either by tap will let us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/51">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► come up but that was it he was out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/53">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► ideas hmm and that's not that's not good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/54">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► what was it like a stuck shift key so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/57">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► tried another application which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/59">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► first thing you try is this just Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/60">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► Docs or the browser is everywhere so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/62">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► open text edit sure enough only capital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/64">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► letters in TextEdit right so I'm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/65">TS</a>]
00:01:10 ◼ ► lifetime of debugging the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/70">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► could potentially solve this problem you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/72">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► know so log out right we go to log out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/73">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► troubleshooting step turn everything off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/79">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► generically Becca and the login screen i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/80">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► went to log into my account and when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/83">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► see the little password thing you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/84">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► the little arrow that tells you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/86">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► thanks cap locks is on you know yep that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/87">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► puts me right and so basically it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/89">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► like the computers our caps lock was on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/90">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► all the time it wasn't you could look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/92">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► the keyboard and doesn't matter the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/93">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► light was on or off but the computer was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/94">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► totally convinced the cap locks on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/96">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► off so i unplug the keyboard and plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/97">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► back in and i fixed and my son said to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/99">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► me why how could unplugging the keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/101">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► and plugging it back in fix it and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/104">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► computer this fixes a surprising number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/108">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► of thing log out and back in unplug and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/111">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► replug reboot turn everything off wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/114">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► 10 seconds unplug it from the wall wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/116">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► 10 seconds all these things have reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/117">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► behind them but like even if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/119">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► know the reasons behind them eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/121">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► sometimes you just have to do crap like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/124">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► that and the only way you learn that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/126">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► by actually fixing problems in the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/128">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► world without understanding why they fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/130">TS</a>]
00:02:14 ◼ ► I do to make this problem go away and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/134">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► once it works for you once it is in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/135">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► bag of tricks of like just you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/137">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► general idea of start the thing over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/139">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► again unplug it and plug it back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/141">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► disconnected and reconnected and my kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/144">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► don't even have that they don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/148">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► have the basics that they don't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/149">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► understanding of that because they never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/151">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► had to fix anything themselves like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/152">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► nightmares of like them leaving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/154">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► house and living on their own as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/155">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► adult and having a job and calling me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/157">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► and saying cake my TV show I can't watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/158">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► my TV show it's not working like cuz you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/161">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► know like Netflix is broken or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/164">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► I feel like this this might be kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/165">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► how like like whenever anything breaks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/168">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► about our house usually you know if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/171">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► not that critical that it gets fixed you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/175">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► know like there isn't water pouring all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/176">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► over everything and we're not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/178">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► installing a fire hazard outlet in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/179">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► wall but you know I but if there's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/181">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► know like some like you know we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/184">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► like hang something that's kind of heavy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/185">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► duty on the wall somewhere or we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/187">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► like fix something that's made of wood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/190">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► accumulate until my father in law comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/195">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► to visit he will basically just go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/198">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► around in the first days here and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/200">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► like fix everything around the house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/201">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► that we've been putting off forever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/202">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► I feel like maybe the way that he thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/204">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► about it or at least the way he should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/207">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► think about how we seem to be totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/208">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► ourselves might be the same way that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/214">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► are thinking about like how can your son [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/216">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► possibly not know how to troubleshoot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/218">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► these computer issues himself so I gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/219">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► show up at his house when he's an adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/222">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► and it's like oh thank god you're here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/223">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► we haven't been able to watch TV and six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/225">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► months maybe we can't figure out why I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/227">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► gonna go up to television unplug it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/229">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► the wall plug it back in and got a go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/231">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► generation plays out my word I feel the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/237">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► same way though like I can't think of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/242">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► specific example other than my fired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/243">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► hazard plug that isn't actually a fire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/245">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► hazard but they're there plenty of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/246">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► things that either my dad who was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/249">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► electrically inclined or Aaron's dad who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/251">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► in a prior life was a carpenter so he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/254">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► like woodworking inclined there's many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/258">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► things that without them I would have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/260">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► either pay someone to do something maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/262">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► figured out myself in the spare time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/265">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► I have or just live with it forever I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/267">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► don't feel that incapable for home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/270">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► repair things is my my my parents do my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/273">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► father does come and fix everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/275">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► father-in-law meet you Marco but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/277">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► it's not because I don't know how to fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/279">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► it it's because I don't want to fix it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/281">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► don't have time to fix it and and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/284">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► going to do a better job too because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/286">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► have he's fix it more times than me but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/288">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► i do know what to do only because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/290">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► spent an entire lifetime watching home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/292">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► improvement television just oh I spent a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/294">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► lot of time watching but not as much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/297">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► you but I spent a lot time watching the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/298">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► shows too so all I can do is be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/299">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► annoying person of like are you sure you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/302">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► want to do it that way like I can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/303">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► possible Robles that guy yet know it cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/307">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► like I know just enough to be a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/310">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► like criticize and make stupid comments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/311">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► actually correct not what not my amateur [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/318">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► view of what holmes on homes would think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/321">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► is the right thing to do any i keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/323">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► watching them though like I'm severe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/325">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► sigh still have season passes for those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/327">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► shows I still watch them so then you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/329">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► up to date on the latest technologies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/331">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► really just mold generation technologies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/332">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► comments whatever it is you said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/337">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► isn't that pretty much our show in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/339">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► nutshell just criticizing from afar not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/340">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► really knowing what we're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/343">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► but I like to think that we at least III [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/344">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► criticize on this show then I know about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/349">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► home repairs yes yes I would say that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/351">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► definitely the case because if the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/354">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► least all of us do a lot of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/357">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► related to the things we're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/358">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► about whereas despite me watching home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/360">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► improvement shows from my entire life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/361">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► I've never built the house not even once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/363">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► alright so we should start as always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/364">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► with some follow-up and somebody I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/368">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► John phrased this section as pouring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/370">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► cold water on Apple USBC notions and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/373">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► we talked last episode about whether or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/377">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► not the forthcoming iphone will call it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/378">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► for the purposes of this conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/381">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► the iphone 8 whether the phone itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/382">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► will have a USBC port on it and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/386">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► was a Wall Street Journal report that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/389">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► seemed ambiguously to say yes and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/391">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► ming-chi Kuo has come out and said well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/394">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► launching launching in the second half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/399">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► 17 will support fast charging by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/401">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► lightning port so probably sticking with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/408">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► lightning port which I think I'm in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/411">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► support of but having listened to most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/414">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► of the shows that that are like ours I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/416">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► cover this sort of thing I feel like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/418">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► the only one which makes me wonder if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/420">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► I'm just the old man of the crowd all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/422">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► reaction to the wall street journal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/426">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► story which was weird man big us and had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/427">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► everyone talk about us bc and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/429">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► ming-chi kuo just says no no here I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/432">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► meaning that is clear to the reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/438">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► every single new iphone coming this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/439">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► will have a lightning port on the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/442">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► boom done and so I'm hoping is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/444">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► simply a clarification I'm hoping what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/448">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► it's not is like a competing rumor of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/451">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► foundation but it certainly seemed like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/456">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► that ambiguous story was out there there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/458">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► was a lot of chatter and then this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/460">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► came and just shut everybody up and said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/461">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► it's the boring thing never mind yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/464">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► mean at some point I think makes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/467">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► quit needs to evolve into just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/469">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► dalrymple just nope yep no I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/471">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► know as we said last show this we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/477">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► thought this was fairly unlikely to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/480">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► the case that they would have that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/483">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► would replace the Lightning port with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/484">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► USBC port I do think it is still worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/485">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► considering as a thought experiment I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/488">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► think that if they were to actually like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/491">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► get drunk and do this I I would actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/493">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► welcome that change I think it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/496">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► it would be temporary pain but long term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/497">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► would be great and Apple usually airs on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/499">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► that side of that kind of decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/502">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► ultimately though I still think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/503">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► very unlikely with with one little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/507">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► exception that we keep hearing from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/509">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► people about the EU regulations about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/511">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► phones all having the same connector and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/515">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► for the for the last few years ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/517">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► since the introduction of lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/519">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► basically the EU said all phones have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/520">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► have you know what used to be micro USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/522">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► i have not also been following this very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/525">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► closely but what I keep hearing from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/527">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► getting more strict now and that apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/531">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► be able to get away with just shipping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/534">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► an adapter that that converts light into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/536">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► USB to microUSB rather or in this case I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/538">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► assume it's USBC so there's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/541">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► going on there where the EU is putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/543">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► pressure on Apple and I don't know if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/546">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► can negotiate their way out of it again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/547">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► but there that there might be something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/549">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► there you know like that there might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/552">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► a strong reason for Apple to say okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/555">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► you know what in addition to all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/558">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► other reasons we have to get rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/559">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► lightning and switched us bc these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/561">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► friction with the EU and any other kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/566">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► of similar regulatory body around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/568">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► world that might get in the way you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/570">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► three-and-a-half to seven years that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/574">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► US would really care that much about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/579">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► reducing waste in a regulation but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/581">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► actually have functioning governments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/588">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► probably all have similar goals yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/589">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► probably all have similar goals of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/593">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► you know reducing electronic waste and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/596">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► standardizing on things that really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/598">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► matter and stuff like that and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/599">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► think apples gonna keep getting pressure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/601">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► from large markets you know if I mean if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/603">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► telephone and China after the after you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/609">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► know 2017 it has to have us bc on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/611">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► bottom what lightning would be gone the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/613">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► next day you know so they can make two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/615">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► different they make two different models [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/617">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► different models with different things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/620">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► inside them before but like I China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/622">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► could do something like that but my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/624">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► understanding of the EU thing is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/625">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► it's not like Apple can't sell it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/627">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► think it's more like a guideline or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/629">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► agreement and I'm sure there's some kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/631">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► of carrot and stick thing where if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/633">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► voluntarily there's you get some boon or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/635">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► whatever but I'm not convinced that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/638">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► a type of thing where like if Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/640">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► doesn't do it then they can't cell phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/642">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► in Europe and if it wasn't China we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/644">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► trying to can say guess what you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/646">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► do this no matter what like actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/647">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► make a requirement I think they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/650">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► conversation had not been one inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/653">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► Apple for us be entirely because making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/655">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► a different model for China's and is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/657">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► probably fine I mean and they have done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/659">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► that in the past for other things but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/662">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► seems like you know there's arguments on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/664">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► both sides of whether they should do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/666">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► and so if there's a big thing external a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/668">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► big external factor that tips them one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/671">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► way or the other they would probably go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/673">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► that way right and so if there's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/674">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► major world market of buying phones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/676">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► absolutely requires that they that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/682">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► have the standard port on the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/683">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► instead of their proprietary report that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/685">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► would probably be enough to sway the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/687">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► argument one way or the other if there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/688">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► were no like massive downsides that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/690">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► aren't thinking of you know if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/692">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► some kind of major engineering challenge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/694">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► of doing it but you know on a brand new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/696">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► phone that they could that they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/698">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► designed separately from the iphone 7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/701">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► and 6 god I hope I assuming we finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/703">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► get a new design then they could totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/707">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► downside we talked to elastic anyway I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/711">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► still don't think it's likely i still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/713">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► think the most likely scenario is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/716">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► makes you quote said where yeah this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/717">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► horribly written got the facts wrong and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/721">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► it's actually just us bc on the charger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/723">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► end that's the that's the way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/725">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► likely explanation here but i still do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/728">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► think it would be better to go us bc on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/731">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► both ends or at least the phone end and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/733">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► there might be better reason to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/736">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► we don't know so the hardware mine virus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/739">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► worked on me because i was getting all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/742">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► excited about us bc phones until i read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/744">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► nevermind but really what happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/747">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► related to this is my nintendo switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/749">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► did arrive which maybe we'll talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/752">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► later and and i got a pro controller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/753">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► with it and this is the first device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/756">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► besides my apple TV which i never plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/758">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► in the USB see things into that i had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/760">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► occasion to see and mess with us bc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/762">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► control i had to plug it in to charge it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/769">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► and there's a little USBC connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/771">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► whatever and so i'm holding here the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/773">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► pro controller charging cable and when i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/776">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► took us out of the box and plugged it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/779">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► I my immediate thought was oh no way is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/781">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► Apple gonna you ever use this thing it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/784">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► huge like I know it's not that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/786">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► bigger than the Lightning it is barely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/788">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► bigger than lightning but just seeing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/790">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► in real life like can you imagine how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/791">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► putting this thing on the phone no no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/794">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► way in hell like obviously this is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/796">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► my gut reaction like I'm not using my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/797">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► brain at that point but my my visceral [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/799">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► disconnect here was how massive it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/801">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► compared to lightning I was like if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/804">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► was inside Apple I would like recoil in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/807">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► horror at the star of the conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/809">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► of like remind me again what we do in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/810">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► line again it would take a look at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/812">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► look at this giant we can't we can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/813">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► have this on our phones ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/815">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► what's next vga ports Oh God um it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/816">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► really is i know that much bigger I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/820">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► I know I was like it it cracked me up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/822">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► that that was my reaction like it is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/824">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► that much really I have a lighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/826">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► partner right next to and I'm hold it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/827">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► next to like it is bare millimeters but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/828">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► thicker it just makes it seem so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/834">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► more matte so then it doesn't help that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/836">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► lightning connectors here that in front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/839">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► of me with a very small plastic part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/840">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► that's barely bigger than the metal part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/842">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► like it looks so small and dainty it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/843">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► almost like the lightning can go inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/845">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► a USBC port well it almost can because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/847">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► of the the gender flows between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/850">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► connector and the and the wire you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/852">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► like like and and that's actually the i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/854">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► suspect i don't know those for sure i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/856">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► have lived that that deeply into it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/857">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► i suspect the design of us bc probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/859">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► permits for there to be less clearance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/863">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► around the port opening like I bet you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/865">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► can shrink the device thickness closer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/867">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► around the port size with us bc then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/870">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► could around lightning because lighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/873">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► has to have all the pins and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/875">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► on the inside as opposed to us bc which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/876">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► conductors on the inside so i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/879">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► imagine there might be something there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/881">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► with you see also they have tons of room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/883">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► they got rid of the headphone jack and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/886">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► this other speaker on the bottom is fake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/887">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► so they have tons of room I mean I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/889">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► they're not at a loss for but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/894">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► it's it's it's not that big of a deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/897">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► and I still I still think it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/898">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► cool for them to go us bc but this rumor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/900">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► seems to say they're not and so we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/901">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► back to the default universe of Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/903">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► where it's lighting for a while longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/905">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► yet what I do wish for at least since we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/907">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► since we're probably not going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/910">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► our our USBC on both ends cable does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/911">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► anybody make the USBC equivalent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/914">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► these wonderful anchor like five port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/918">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► USB chargers like all I've seen out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/920">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► there are charges that have one USBC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/922">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► port I have not seen any that have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/924">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► five like I would love to standardize on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/926">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► just one cable type and just like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/929">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► might like I I'm traveling soon and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/931">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► different cable types because it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/936">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► something on one end and something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/939">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► on the other end and like everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/940">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► microUSB like I have all these stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/944">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► cable types and these 50 different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/946">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► chargers come on I mean anyway so I hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/948">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► I hope there's I hope the USBC ecosystem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/951">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► blooms soon because when it does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/953">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► will be even more reason for Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/956">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► please for the love of God change the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/958">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► iphone use USB see speaking of vga you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/960">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► better hope USB a USB type a connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/963">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► doesn't turn out to be the vga port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/965">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► hangouts reference you remember like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/967">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► remember how long vga held on we had so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/970">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► many other standards that like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/972">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► just like you could not get rid of ej [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/973">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► just eight states ee on the side of pc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/975">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► laptops they stubbornly on projectors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/977">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► long after multiple better smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/979">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► standards existed and really hoping the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/981">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► USBA hasn't like gained enough momentum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/983">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► that it will not be dislodged by us bc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/987">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► for like an extra you know five to ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/989">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► years just because that will be said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/991">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► know it's certain sometimes transitions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/994">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► are easier like the second time through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/996">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► in this case like the transition from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/997">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► dock connector to lightning it was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► painful but a lot of people took that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► opportunity to not just go to lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► for their devices or needs but to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► go directly to wireless to airplay and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► bluetooth is like that with the with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► conference rooms actually just went from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► VGA to DVI or lightning and how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► just switched to other solutions like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► air playing to an apple TV or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► like that well it's fucking for someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► doesn't spend a lot of time in corporate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► America ya know they don't have their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► play though airplay as airplay is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► the answer but I gotta tell you so my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► office is all in on the Google ecosystem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► which it at first glance for an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► centric show like ours might sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► terrible but truth be told it actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► works out really well and so in most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► conference rooms there's a chromebox and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► I don't know enough about chrome boxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► to know if there's something special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► about them like I've seen the physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► cardboard boxes that the chromebox comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► in and I think it says like chromebox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► for meetings or something like that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► it doesn't matter but what ends up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► happening is there's a TV in each of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► chromebox hooked up to the TV and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► chromebox shows like that rooms schedule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1076">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► for the day and you just select you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► the the current oftentimes the currently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► active button and that will jump into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► the google hangouts for that meeting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► not having used Google Hangouts prior to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► coming to the company i had heard like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► lot of mixed things about it i thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► it would be kind of garbage but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► actually pretty nice and that what we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► do is if you are trying to present [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► something to the meeting you just hop on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► the Hangout on your laptop and it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► it will thus it implicitly go to the TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► in the conference room and it will also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► be presented to anyone that happens to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► surprisingly well and yes there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► hiccups and coughs and whatnot from time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► to time but it's really solid I was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► surprised how much I've really gotten to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► like hangouts in this regard when your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► other choices WebEx anything looks good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► yeah that's true too amen brother I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► so well before we get on topic of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► conference rooms like I remember going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► through this several years back at work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1138">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► when we were going through a corporate I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► don't know disturbance upsetedness about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► conference room tech like everyone was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► cranky about it especially the tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► people and we tried all those things we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► had a Google box we tried to Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► Hangouts and I you know airplane to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► Apple TVs came up because if you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► how much money all the equipment we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► that we were installing to see how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► it was costing it's like an apple TV is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► nothing compared to that and this is yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► another market that Apple could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► done well in with either a dedicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► product like a chromecast or just by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► making apple TV better but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► basically a non-starter partially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► because you know no airplay on PCs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► everything but we had a lot of Max and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► don't think that would have stopped it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► mainly because it was so much of a pain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► to get Apple TV's on to the corporate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► network you could do it but you needed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► special weird utility and it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► simple and no one wanted to go through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► with that so now instead of being able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► to bring your mac into the room and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► airplay to the projector you plug into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1195">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► one of the 800 cables that's poking out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1197">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► of this giant Hydra one of hgs is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► who knows what they're going to do if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► and when my work ever buys the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► laptops that have the USBC connectors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► because most of the time in mac users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► plugged in to hdmi these days yeah i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► have to mention to like hdmi because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► know Vijay was analog and then we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► finally got DVI and then HDMI which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► basically DVI with bonus stuff attached [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► to it I feel like it's easier to adapt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► to the to the new digital standards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► these days and HDMI is also pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► pretty well supported now I mean I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► think it's I don't think it's as big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► like as universal as vga was at its peak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► but I think it's getting there and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► it's going to be fairly trivial for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► almost any new port standard to adapt to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► hdmi for the foreseeable future if this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► is going to be in such high demand every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► new device that has video out capability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► will have some way to transit that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► HDMI for a long time so I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► it's mostly a moot point these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1252">TS</a>]
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00:21:25 ◼ ► than 70 global test servers you can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► for instance if there's some weird dns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► problem where like your site is offline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► for only a certain part of the world but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► it happened to not be where you live you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► might not you better know about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► otherwise but Pingdom can tell you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► performance up time they can emulate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► visits to your site is that often is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► every minute to check out sometime and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► they can check for things like regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► expressions or patterns or substrate or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► anything else and all sorts of you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► take you can have it served with cookies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► and conditions and everything it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► incredibly powerful stuff breaks on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► internet all the time and I mean heck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1316">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► interesting outage of Amazon s3 and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► caused a lot of stuff to break and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► Pingdom had a lot of outages to report [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► and of course they did they did their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► job very well there because they always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► do their job very well i've been using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► it's it's been a very long time I used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► it for the vast majority of tumblr all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► events to paper all of overcast so far I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► use it for my personal site our friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► underscore David Smith used to use it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► monitor the Apple WBC page for changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► whenever the page change so we'd know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► when tickets went on sale because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► don't have to actually own the URLs that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► you're testing there's all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► great uses for Pingdom and of course if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► you run a server or a website or any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► kind of web service you need to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► when your site goes down and you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► be the first to note you shouldn't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► to wait around to the two later read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► Twitter and see like you've had 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► responses people on Twitter that your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► site's been down over the last three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1374">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► hours and you didn't even know about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► with pingdom you'll be the first to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1377">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► you can be alerted by a text message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► push notification email and you will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► the first to know so you can go fix it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► before all the people on Twitter see and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► start bugging you about it before your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► customers see it before you lose any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1389">TS</a>]
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00:23:19 ◼ ► to pingdom for sponsoring our show ah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► Eric Peterman rights in part of the USBC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► spec is two-way power devices choose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► what charges what based on the order of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► plugging them in so aim at hood charge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► the switch so this is Harry way to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► it really is this is with regard to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► rumor or or or maybe what I guess wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► a rumor but but somebody had plugged a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► switch into one of the new macbook pros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:49 ◼ ► and they said oh this is weird the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1429">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► switch is charging the macbook pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► rather than what you would expect which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► is the reverse and this is what Eric's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► talking about so i had heard separately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1437">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► from a not reliable source that that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► actually a firmware issue with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► switch but this indicates that it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► about who plugs into what when which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► wouldn't be deterministic like that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► would like imagine imagine like in real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► life you know anybody using these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► devices who isn't intricately familiar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► accidentally plug this in backwards and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► depleted the device that I was trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► charge plug your phone into your laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► run to climb yeah why would you design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► spec that who knows III haven't looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► this obviously but i think is actually a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► reasonable way for things to work in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► absence of anything else dictating and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► would imagine if you plug a phone into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► an apple out you know an iphone into an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► apple laptop they have already they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► already have a system through some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► resistor values some other crap to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► opposite direction but if you have two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► devices that are basically from their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► perspective but I don't know making up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► terminology of like to host devices like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1496">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► reasonable way as any if they both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► expect to be the thing charging but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► their plugs into each other there has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► be some kind of negotiations a plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► water sounds fine but I would hope that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► for the common case where it's like one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► really big one and one really small one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► like I would hope that the phone doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► have the power to charge anything I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► I suppose it does it powers like audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► peripherals but it's not charging them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► right now barely yeah all right daniel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► klein rights in us bc vs lightning isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► the middle part of us bc a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► breakable than the solid lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► connector in he continues more important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► than springs i'm not entirely sure what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► he's referring to there like the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► springing bits this is a my concern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► about the USBC before seeing them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► even when you see you can kind of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► know look and look into the the female [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► connector on us bc and you see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► little circuit board thing with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► contacts sticking out and in theory you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► can stick your finger nail in there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► just crack that thing down your port is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► real-world experience plugging and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1556">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► unplugging USBC to say how fragile that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► thing is and how likely it is to either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► get stuff jammed around it or break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► these are all question marks I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► imagine that it is probably sturdier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► than you think because it's wedged up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► there and unless you actually stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► something in there to get at it it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► it's not some place where it can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► bumped or hit or anything and when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► connector is around it it's very secure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► because it's a police surrounded by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► thing so I'm going to give them the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► benefit of the doubt give Apple the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► connector that that it is okay and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► this question maybe think about and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► other people who ask similar questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► about the springy bits in the contacts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► and maybe think about my what I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► saying last show about how it is better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► to have the springy bits in the cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► because if they fatigue didn't start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► making bad contacts you just threw out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► the cable and get a new cable where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► the springy bits fatigue inside your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► iPhone what can you do there's not much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► you can do about it but that was in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► context of the hardware virus where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► the springy bits get less springy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1615">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► don't contact well with the contacts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1617">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► start arcing and make a little Bernie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► spot and that Bernie spot doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► connect with other one it spreads from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► things the thing seems to me that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► could still happen no matter where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► springy bits are because if it starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► arcing because the springy bits in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► cable or bad it's going to leave that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► little scorch mark on the the stationary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► part inside the female USBC connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► you won't see it you won't see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► little stripy thing but it'll be there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► which means that even after you throw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► out the cable now one of your contacts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► inside your USBC connector inside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► female end is a little bit scorchy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► so when you stick your brand spanking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► new cable that you bought in there it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► going to have poor contact with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► score so like that that it could still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► happen what is what I'm saying now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► guess it's all depends on how resilient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► the springy bits are maybe it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► design of the springing bits this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► different they certainly you know look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► connectors and they do inside lighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► difficult to eyeball these things based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► on like the few people you know and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► guesstimation by looking at connectors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► products have actual numbers and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1676">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► don't seem to be sharing them but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1678">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► imagine if there is a large reliability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► difference between lightning and USB see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► we as a society will learn that together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► over the next few years because even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► though we won't have the data eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► it'll be clear is there some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► widespread problem with this and not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► widespread problem with that or is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► problems with both of them or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► like I imagined it'll be about a wash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► but we'll say Jeff Spivak writes more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► naked robotic macbook pros and there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► link to yanko design which has a super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► case for your macbook what the deuce is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► going on here it's just like the macbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► pro this isn't a macro pro this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► macbook but hey you know these these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► laptops at apple mix have us bc and or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► thunderbolt three ports on them but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► don't have any other reports that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► wanted no SD card slot no big honkin USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► a slot or whatever maybe you want more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► battery on it and these sort of cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► for your laptop's that plug into the USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► see and or Thunderbolt three port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► and add a bunch of other ports just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1736">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► one of those adapters or docks that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► sell it or external and maybe also add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► the battery and so here you go Nick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► robotic or of your macbook you want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► to be thicker and a little bit heavier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► and have an SD card slot in the USB a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► thing and another USBC pass through and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► I might micro USB I can't even tell what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► the hell this thing has on it anyway you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► want a bunch more ports and you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► talk like an ugly pc laptop with a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► of plastic crap get this way to sell it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► it doesn't look good but I'm saying it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► like this is this is one hundred percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► the naked robotic or as applied to max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► like we made it as small and as thin as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► possible if you want something different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► you can add it like the tech is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► you know like all the like all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► breakout docks and adapters like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► tech is there you could put an Ethernet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► port in this thing right go ahead and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► it's kind of amazing that this you add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► this thing to it and it makes your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► laptop like seven times thicker but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► really does on one side have us be a in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► an SD card slot on the other side have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► another USB a USBC in a micro USB or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► wherever the hell it may be just another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► USB see I can't tell like suddenly your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► macbook one is macbook way more than one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1796">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► yeah this this thing is is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► else I I do commend the effort of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► like this to make these lifetimes more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► useful but i think they are destined to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► have the same problem the same thing i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► was complaining about with with battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► backpacks on phones that all of the like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► casing and electronics overhead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► standalone device with its own plastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► on both sides and its own like metal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► shielding and different parts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► charging opponents and discharging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► components and everything else like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► additional bulk of having to bolt this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► on as an external thing makes the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► package end up being so bigger so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► bigger and heavier than if you had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► laptop that just had these things in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► first place built in that it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► doesn't it just seem compelling to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► and so the alternative in apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► universe assuming apple doesn't actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► make a machine that has the ports that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1856">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► you want on it like the apple does make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1857">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► these things with a very capable port on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► it that is capable of supporting opus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► like the reason he's going to exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► because there is a capable the apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► turnip is a whole mess of adapters and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► hours and we look at this we sell ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► and ugly as it inconvenient it makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► thicker it makes it heavier is it uglier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► and more inconvenient than a whole mess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► of adapters or an external breakout box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► doc I mean it really depends on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► environment you're using it I wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► carrying this from conference room to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► conference room attending a series of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► meetings no matter how ugly it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► because it's self-contained and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► have to have like put down my laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► then dumped on the table a handful of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► adapters or a breakout box or this big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► Hydra of cables like that that is worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► in many ways for a machine that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► supposed to be portable so yes it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► technically possible to plug in a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► of wires it kind of reminds me of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► old imac ads were they would you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► the pc with a million wires poking out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► of the back of it and sure like the imac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► and how clean it wasn't you didn't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► all this stuff just one power cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► right that's some of the mouse that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► like every macbook one that people use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► to get anything beyond like the basics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► done on yeah i really they're using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► their own computer for that but even I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► recall seeing like if you ever see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► picture of a real persons like not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► a marketing shot but someone who bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► a mac pro and uses it for work bought a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► trash can to work as a million wires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► coming out of it and it looks for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► the world like those ugly pcs I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► saying this is the wrong solution but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► it's kind of like how they always show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► like lamps in product shots without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► appliances like there's never any wires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► like wait how does that lamp get power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► they erase the wires because wires are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► ugly they don't want you to see them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► when they're showing a picture like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► know here is Samsung's fancy new TV they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► don't show the wires coming out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► because that's ugly you know even when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► they show the back of it they don't show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► the wires they want to show you all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► ports wires are ugly and inconvenient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► and make your products look worse and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► are generally annoying to wrangle and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► as ugly as this weird little sleeve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► thing is i hope the signal is sending to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► Apple is hey Apple if you made a laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► that made a different set of compromises [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► you may be able to you know I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► it should be apples job to make sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► that no one ever wants to buy this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► and maybe they don't want to buy just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► because it's ugly but say they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► Justin SD card slot as we've discussed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► on the macbook pro 13-inch would that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► satisfy everybody know because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► doesn't have micro you know USB and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► the USB a ports or whatever but it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► satisfy slightly more people and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► would the cost be so it's very difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► knowing what what the right compromise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► is for the complement of ports I do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► the idea that things like this are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► possible I don't like the idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► people would be driven to buy them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► because they're you know they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► to say they're they're not of Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► quality for the most part yeah i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► this like you know what you said like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► different set of compromises if you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► to boil down all of my complaints about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► Apple's hardware lineup from the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► five years or so that's it like I wish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► Apple would allow me the choice of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► different compromises because for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► most part they tend to enforce the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► compromises on their entire product line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► on every member of the family so for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► instance like you know all the laptops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► are now hidden lights which sacrifice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► ports and now keyboard usability and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► trackpad usability like they set for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► things in the name of thinness and for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► lot of people that's great it's great to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:16 ◼ ► have that as an option in the lineup but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2056">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► I just wish it wasn't now the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► products like this just show that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► is still substantial demand even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► you know any any given one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► types of things is not going to sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► very well I don't think but I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► says something that this is not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► first thing we've seen like this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► there's also the whole you know beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► just like the whole like you know new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► bottom case thing like this that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► kind of sit the laptop in there's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► the entire ecosystem of all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2086">TS</a>]
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00:34:49 ◼ ► every macbook one owner has one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2089">TS</a>]
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00:34:54 ◼ ► different Kickstarter's and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► like this really says I think Apple I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► wish Apple would would look at these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► results and and realize like it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2100">TS</a>]
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00:35:07 ◼ ► customers to just have different choices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2107">TS</a>]
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00:35:41 ◼ ► lightweight the interior is incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► thoughtfully designed if you use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► patent-pending compression systems you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► could fill a lot in there they of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► have for full spinning wheels for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► smooth ride if you never you never used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► force for Bill two cases it's a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► big of greater for to build two cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► combination locked onto the top they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2157">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► also have a couple interesting things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► like a removable washable laundry bag so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► when you're out traveling you put all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► your dirty clothes in this removable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► washable laundry bag that's built into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► the suitcase so you always have with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► and it keeps a separate from your finger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► from your other clothes and it's easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► take out later and wash and they also in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► their carry-on model this is incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► thoughtful you might you might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► heard about this elsewhere in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► carry-on model they have a built-in USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► charging battery so you can plug in cell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► phones tablets e-readers and anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► else that's USB powered you can plug it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► in and charge it with your carry-on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► suitcase from away a single charge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► the OA carry-ons internal battery can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► charge your iPhone 5 times and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► anything ever breaks on these suitcases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► away will fix or replace it for you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2202">TS</a>]
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00:36:48 ◼ ► of course because you're buying a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► suitcase on the internet which sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► kind of weird they have you covered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2211">TS</a>]
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00:36:55 ◼ ► here's the hit of this works you can buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2215">TS</a>]
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00:36:58 ◼ ► it you can even travel with it so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2218">TS</a>]
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00:37:42 ◼ ► alright so we're going to start tonight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► with four starting tonight sort of with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► a couple maybe all three of us ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► windowing i guess i should say on iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2276">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► and Stephen Trent Smith who is uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► probably the best iOS hacker and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► ironically but I don't know what else to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► call him I don't think he would take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► offense yeah I don't mean it in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► disparaging way anyways he has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► putting together over the last week or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► so basically a windowing system for iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► I guess specifically for ipad and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► absolutely bananas how impressive it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► looks and how fluid he's gotten it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► look and there are several tweets about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► well there's many tweets about it we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► put one or two in the show notes but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► what's of interest to us I guess is he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► tweeted phone call from app review side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► by side windows fine resizable windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► fine overlapping windows scream emoji [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► apparently app review does not like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► idea of having two windows or views on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► top of each other and this relates to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► necessarily in terms of how much I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► unbelievably clever idea which is panics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► status board app which if you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► familiar is basically you can arrange a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► series of widgets on the iPad screen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► use your iPad a status board or if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► want to you could plug it into a TV and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► use a whole TV as a status board powered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► by an iPad and it's very similar to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► and so cable sasser of panax says stone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► our blog CMS as a never posted goodbye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► status board post from the time Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► said widgets are okay but we can't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► more than one widget and this post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► included an illustration that may have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► helped change their minds and it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► illustration of this humongous TV with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► as little teeny tiny widget on it trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► make the point of you know this is kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2395">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► of ridiculous so I know this there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2397">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► kind of a lot to unpack here but before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► anything else I do I am so unbelievably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► stunned and impressed by what Stephen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► Trump Smith is done with this iPad my I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► was gonna call it a mock-up but I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► it's it's working it's real it's a tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► demo yeah that's a much better term for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► it it's so freaking cool he basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► made finder yeah like a really simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► version of finder with with like Finder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► windows and everything be able to browse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► files and preview the van everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► it's pretty impressive it's kinda like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► the Mac os10 finder anyway not the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► fun yeah and and it's at the point of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► is not to be like a useful application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► the point of it is I I think to to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► off like here's a really easy obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► way that you could do when doing on on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► iPads and let's see how how it actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► behaves and works like is it useful is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► it easy to do is it confusing or does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► just kind of work and so far I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► just kind of works you left off the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► few tweets here which I think are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2457">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► important both both Steven and cables [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► things so Steve continues after his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► scared face emoji or screaming face i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► had another Chris sorry Casey I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► know the correct name of that emoji and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► chrome couldn't handle it so I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► actually taste it if only we had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► resource on this show somebody who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► really an emoji expert uh he handled it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► and he read right over scared face and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► he replaced it with the correct which of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► I assume was the correct one cuz will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► this was deferred to him he's fluent in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► emoji right hello here so this is about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► a perv you saying the side by side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► window you know overlapping windows is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► no good right so saying effectively this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► is merely an informal heads up that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► it were to be submitted to the app store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► with overlapping windows would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► rejected remember he's not a submitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► an application of the app store he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► just doing like tech demos on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► and he gets a phone call from a ver you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► saying by the way if you were to submit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► that no all right and so the final bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► here is this is why the ipad can't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► nice things you're stuck waiting for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► Apple to innovate which is exactly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► point of all just like who knows this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► a good idea maybe this is a terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2515">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► idea but if Apple is going to not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2516">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► enforce a set of guidelines in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► quality and viruses and advertising and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► you know adult content and all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► other things that the app store does but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► level to say you know you do whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► you want if you're making a game and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► like it like you make a bunch of gooeys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► but in the in-between place where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► try to make your own GUI we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► say no to that and it's like Apple you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► don't look like it's a third-party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► application maybe it's a terrible idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► when everyone hated maybe it's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► idea and you'll end up stealing it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► pull to refresh you have to allow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► application developers to do things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► this with the devices that you're making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► like this is not a ridiculous notion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► right and and maybe if it was more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► ridiculous would be allowed because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► again games gonna like look at my whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► screen is a big OpenGL view I can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► whatever the hell you want an apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► not going to be like Oh your menu system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► in this racing game looks a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► weird like they don't care it's fine but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► this looks too much like a regular UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► and this is not like the image that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► Apple wants for their thing and I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2575">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► like this starts to cross a line of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► not ensuring quality in the app store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► you are constraining the you know you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► constraining innovation like legitimate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► innovation not he's not trolling with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► this he's trying out a interface idea an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► interface idea that is just as valid is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► half the other people's terrible uses of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► UI kit then end up being terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► interfaces maybe it'll be terrible to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► who knows but why is this not allowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► applications that have like drag off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► palette so you can float it's like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► that's okay because the background is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► your painting or your sketch that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► doing and that's not a window and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► the things I floating on top of it our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► windows but they can't overlap with each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► other it's it's ridiculous like and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► we are forced to wait for Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► slowly but you know perhaps surely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► perhaps not decide what it's going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► with this whole window okay pic picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► and picture is fine and Apple do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► and make an official API for it can we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► have any other floating windows up all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► the windows hmm maybe one or two and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► apps allow but don't try to solve the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► whole problem in the general purpose way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► because only apples allowed to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► so you're so it the users of the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► the users of iOS are stuck waiting for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► Apple to figure out what to do it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► impossible for third parties to innovate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► on iOS devices because Apple simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► won't let them and that is terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► because most of the awesome innovations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► on the mac and many of them on iOS came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► from third-party developers that did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► something it became popular Apple saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► and said well that's a good idea we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► or you know by super clock about clock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► in the menu bar I mean come on come on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► Apple this is super disappointing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► especially there / actively dickish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► about it call him saying yeah you better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► not submit that to the outdoors will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► reject it just so you know hold on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► though was that I don't think that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► out of the blue and I might have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► wrong but my interpretation which may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► my own fabrication was that he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► submitted it for like test flight or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► something and so as part of that he got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► like a little mini review and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► then that it was brought to apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► attention and then that they called him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► and were like oh no that's not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► work but it either way like it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2697">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► whether even if you officially submitted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► the bottom line is that they are they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► saying you are not allowed to innovate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► in this way which i think is ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► let the app die on its own if it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► terrible idea right it's not it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► it's not malware well so there's there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► been this rule i just checked it's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► there there's been this rule this app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► review rule since i think the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► publication of a preview rules back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► whenever that was like 2009-2010 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► it's rule number 258 apps that create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► environments where simulate multi app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► widget experiences will be rejected I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► know like Launch Center pro had that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► problem a while back to I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► girl rule as bogus to you know I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► do but but I think it's worth it's worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► questioning why that rule is there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► it might just be some like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► crazy Steve Jobs control freak old over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► but there also might be good reasons for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► so it might be for instance like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► don't want like another app to basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► like start like its own entire app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2756">TS</a>]
00:45:58 ◼ ► ecosystem within it self like although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2758">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► it's you can kind of argue that's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► of what like whatsapp do does and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► everything but and snapchat anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► Facebook geez anyway but I think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► probably like this rule is probably not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► helping innovation overall it is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► probably holding things back now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► being said you know support for any kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► of like windowing system like this to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► get anywhere the way to do it in iOS is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► for Apple to do it like it's it's never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► get anywhere you know in the market like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► this well I disagree if it was actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► a good idea and it was implemented in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► a popular or soon to be popular widely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► used creative application like for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► example of Adobe Illustrator came and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► had tear-off pouts that you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► overlap and rearrange just like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► desktop one right they'll be disallowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► under the under these stupid overlapping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► real things you can overlap to pouts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► with each other but if it was popular on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► that application and people liked it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► their big ipad pro every competitor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► application would be scrambling to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► implement that any new competitor in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► market would say if i want to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► professional vector drawing application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► on the 12 inch ipad pro i need to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► these floating overlapping palettes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► because the market leader has them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► everybody loves them and if i don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► them you know what i mean like let the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► idea live and die on its own i agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► that if you're going to say okay well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► individual applications good window only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► Apple can do that period and that's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► but just to see bearing out the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► like is it is it ridiculous to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► people poking their fingers at window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► which is this is a dumb idea does it not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► work in a touch interface like the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► way you will know is by trying you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► think about you do the mental exercise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► and be like oh I don't want to drag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► around a window with a title bar how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► would I arrange them how does it work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► you have to try like I feel like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► developers if someone wants to muck with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► that and see if it's useful I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► can get a result that says either this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► is useful and maybe would be even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► useful if applied broadly by Apple but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► even just within the confines of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► application just like the floating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► applications now where there's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► floating thing that you can tear off and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2876">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► move around that I think it's proof is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2877">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► proving its own utility because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► don't know where it has to be and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► it's always stuck to the side it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► of difficult let the person move it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► around so it's out of their way when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► they're drawing but it lets them sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► configure their tool set and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► push it off to the side where they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► it like I think that is an idea that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► showing its value merely one confined to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► third-party applications and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► just taking to the next step and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► it's a step too far and it's a terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► idea but Apple you just got to let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► people try it have you seen a panel kit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► which is apparently an open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► framework to do these kind of like snap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► to the side and like sticky popover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► panels sort of things there's a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► good animated gif that's on the readme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► for this thing and we'll put a link in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► the show notes but it's not exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► apples to apples what Steve Robin Smith [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► was doing but it's very much of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► similar spirit and it looks really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► but just the demonstration looks really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► good yeah I mean I I think that the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► more productive conversation to have on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► on this kind of thing is not like how we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2937">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► can get Apple to let it through wrap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► review because let's face it they won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► or if they suddenly have a change of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► heart on an ancient rule like this it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► won't be because of us but I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► worth all these things panel kit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► Steve Tran Smith uh you know his his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► thing whatever it doesn't have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► official name don't look so uh you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► I i think it's it's worth talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► and I think this is probably why he made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► it it's worth talking about like does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► this work on iOS and do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► there's a future of windowed apps in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► some form like this on on iPads I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► know so yeah on that topic like cuz I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► brought this up several shows back when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► what was it we were talking about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► had the floating thing is when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► originally talked about picture and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► picture and there was some application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► that also had a floating hang on top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► it oh I don't know you got all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► references yeah it was a thing that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► took come on chat room mark will cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► this out as we discover it what was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2995">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► floating iPad keyboard si si oh that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► thing okay you're right yeah it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► floating keyboard that i'm pretty sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► Steve Tretton Smith also found yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► secret a hidden API private api for to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► put a keyboard there wasn't just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► bottom of your screen it's lit up from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► the bottom but rather was a floating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► keyboard that was much smaller that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► could move wherever you want it on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► screen and that's that made me say this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► is kind of like a window and we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► picture-in-picture there's another kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► of window basically a little square [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► that's on the screen that you can move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► wherever you want it more or less within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► constraints blah blah blah blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► which is different than the traditional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► iOS experience which is a panel comes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► from aside or goes out from whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► you can't move it around right and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► lowercase W on iOS spawned by this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► know hidden keyboard type thing and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► also talked about some existing iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► applications like drawing applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► that house will have floating palettes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► usually only one of them and it floats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► over the background which is your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3055">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► drawing but that is the thing a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3056">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► people are trying and what I was trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► as if you want to keep taking the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► even more and more pro in addition to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► making the screen bigger and especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► when you do make the screen bigger you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► want to make better use of that screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► and one proven way to let people make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► use of a larger screen is to give them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► different regions of it to do things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► more than just splitting it up into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► halves or thirds or whatever but even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► within an application to be able to move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► things around to arrange things the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► they want them now the thing I them add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► to this conversation here is based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► things that have been discussed on other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► podcasts starring my curly but also on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► cortex that's also him and cg b great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► talking about their multi ipad type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► things and all for all the people out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► there whose it's multipad soon as I come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► on yes right now or or phones and iPads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► which is just as common we got the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► but your phone next to it or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► very often this is presented as a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► basically to multitask like to say my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► smaller ipad over here has this thing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► my bigger ipad has this my phone has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► available a little ipad i have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► slack and i'm a big ipad have the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► that I'm doing right cg b great often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► refers to it the same way that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► have multiple pieces of paper around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► their desk at the same time you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► this file tape over here then the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► thing you're working on your referring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► to your notebook for notes and you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► a book open over here were like having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► multiple desks here then I my left hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► desk of my right-hand desk each ant has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► its own death so it is that is life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► everything if you if you were writing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► paper referring to another thing and had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► a book open right for her into your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► notes and had a reference book open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► right you would do that um now every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► time I hear them discuss us and I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► caught up on Carter cortex to forgive me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► if this comes up sometime in 2015 but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► every time i hear is discussed in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► distant past where I'm living in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► cortex right now I keep waiting for one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► of these two knuckleheads to realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► that what they're talking about it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► called windows why didn't maybe windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► on personal computers it was like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► desktop like a literal like not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► literal desktop but the other meaning of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3177">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► layer which is figurative desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► metaphorical best time right like at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► top of your desk like it's not even a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► distant is not even distant like there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► was talk about that and then on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► desk would be different documents each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► of which will be represented by a window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► that you could move around the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► that it was all within one piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► glass so you would take the windows / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► documents and arrange them how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► wanted with the thing you're writing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► referring to on the left and open a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► reference book on the right only middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► left and right would all be on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► screen and so it's maddening to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► people talk about all I have my big iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► on my little half of your those are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► windows but their physical now and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► an in some respects it's better to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► physical windows like it is more there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► are advantages to physical windows but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► freaking giant Retina screen and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► could arrange these windows will call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► them and you would have your little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► phone and you're right there just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► differently sized with those guys you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► just read my nose in the meat space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► they're just nice windows and like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► so painful to me to sleep in and I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3237">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► they'll say like I don't want that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► don't want Windows window what you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► window arrangement sucks arranging my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► two iPads on my desk is great and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► is i'm not going to said there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► something to that because dealing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► physical devices is better than dealing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► with the nose there are compromises to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► having them all be virtual on a 2d [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► device but there are also advantages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► really really big advantages and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► with long experience with using very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► large screens with lots of windows on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► them hello that's me can tell you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► they're all there are also advantages to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► that approach and so I'm not saying one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► precludes the other and you have to stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► the other one I'm just saying they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► siblings they are they are solving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► same problem in almost exactly the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► compromises and if they're going to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► that that the multi-device thing is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► way they prefer versus the other one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► that's fine but to never mention the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► element never realized that what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► essentially doing is exactly the same as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► having a really big screen with multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► windows and that there are advantages to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► having a really big screaming multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► windows in that virtual things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► easier to deal with and manipulate than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3296">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► real things like you can't switch spaces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3297">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► that you can't swipe your four fingers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► to the left and suddenly a new desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► slides in with a new set of iowa devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► on it like its paces right okay minimize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► or window shade or or snap them to edges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► or resize them because you can't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► different orientation or a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► size like there there are trade-offs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► be sure and i'm not saying one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► dominant over the other but as a strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► strong proponent of the virtual pieces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► approach for me personally than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► virtual screens AK windows instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► the physical screens AK iOS devices I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► think this has to be in the mix and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► that's why when I say see Steve Trenton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► smiths like let's make some windows on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► iOS devices I say yes yes finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► because if Apple ever does make a 27 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► inch iPad an approach that I think would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► appeal to a lot of people is to be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► to have different overlapping resizable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3351">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► things to it so that you're not it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► who wants to split a 27-inch screen into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3356">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► thirds or halves or quarters or like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► know everyone loves tiling window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► managers on Linux or whatever there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► reason they have not taken the world by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► storm right not that overlapping windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► anti-patterns too and people do like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► zoom everything full screen but I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► like this is an avenue that has to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► pursued it may not be the ultimate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► answer and it may be some hybrid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► panels and staffing actually is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► best compromise for most people but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► have to pursue it because it has proven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► utility we all sit in front of Max all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► day and somehow somehow we managed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► overlapping windows where we can never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► tell what the hell's going on and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► the gender like somehow we do it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► so I I desperately want to see this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► Avenue per shirt but pursuit in every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► every way by third party application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► developers by Apple experimenting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► yes by Apple doing things in the OS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► releasing larger iOS devices and for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► you multi iOS device users now you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► butchering I kind of say more power to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► you because you are kind of like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► steampunk of multiple windows because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► you like there's basically there's steam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3418">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► powered their physical manifestations of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► windows and the ugly and dirty and grimy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► Anna made of brass but you like him so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► go for it add some beard oil Wow John I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► love you that was incredible of my word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► I feel like this episode's done we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► done goodnight everybody that's not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► mean it's over dude do you guys know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► what I was saying with the multiple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► yeah I know how were you guys fought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► multi devices versus multiple windows I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► know you're not as going on multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► windows I am ultimate devices is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► terrible solution to this problem it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► you know in many in in some contexts if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► you're trying to do certain things as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► iOS power user sometimes it's the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► solution of the problem but you know III [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► think and and granted you know to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► to the multipad lifestyle people I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► think this is the only reason they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► that it's not just to have two different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► applications right at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► there's other reasons why they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► have multiple devices for you know same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► reason that many of us have multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3475">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► macs like you know to have like a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3476">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► one and a small one for travel versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3478">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► home you know stuff like that so all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► those things aside and I and honestly I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► think running two apps side-by-side on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► two different iPads is probably a fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► uncommon use of multiple devices that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► from the people who have them but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► can picture a future of a future version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► of ipad multitasking where you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► just resize the apps not just with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► split view that we have now where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► just you can have at most two apps on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► screen if you don't count picture and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► picture video playback as one of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► you have at most 2 f's on screen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► they can only be arranged left and right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► in just different split sizes that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► like three different preset sizes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► they can possibly be that's very limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► it's a lot better than having no multi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► window environment on on the iPad like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► we had before iOS what was at nine that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► out of that it's a lot better than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► but it's it's not nearly as powerful as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► having a more freeform system like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3536">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► overlapping windows or just more the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► even if it has to only be tiling windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► and so they can't ever overlap even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► that's the case ipad screens are a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► bigger than phones and any universal app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► is made to scale from an iphone 5s all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► the way up to an ipad 12.9 why can't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► have like six windows on screen like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► have it be like a three by two grid on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► the 12 point nine inch each one would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► about the size of a moderately sized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► iphone why couldn't you do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► like that like have six apps open at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► once or have four apps open at once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► we're there are all small rectangles or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► something like that like I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► there's so many more places I've had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► multitasking can go and granted there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► a few fundamentals that really need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► be built first before that makes a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► of sense things like drag and drop and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► some kind of more coherent file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► access in some form but ultimately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► multiple applications being open at once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3593">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► not just two of them is is the direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3597">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► not just two of them is is the direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3597">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► this has to go for these devices to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► become more productivity powerhouses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► yeah i think you know John and John I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► think that Mike and in cgpgrey would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► both say that that this is a terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► solution like I I think one of you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► that a minute ago but it's important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► themselves to stress that I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► that they love the solution it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► that they do love iOS and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► hamstrung by the the things that iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► lets you do and I feel similarly I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► I do love my iPad but I've been really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► really strongly kicking around the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► of getting a macbook adorable expressly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► effectively as portable as an iPad or as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► close as I can get to that but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► doesn't make me feel hamstrung every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► time I use it and to me the best answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► to that question is a macbook adorable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► for them I don't think they feel near as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► hamstrung in general the problem is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► simply that they can only do with so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► many things at once and so for them it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3656">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► does make sense to live the multipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► lifestyle I think it's a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► kooky but just because I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► doesn't mean that it wouldn't work for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► them and clearly it does the most common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► multi-device thing I would imagine is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► personal computer style device on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► phone because like I said there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► steampunk windows and one of them is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► you a compartmentalize of things so very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► often it's text messaging whatever your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► text messaging services of choice text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► messaging on your phone while doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► other things on your computer and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► computer may have messages on it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► maybe doesn't have whatever app using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► maybe you don't choose not to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► messages but that division of labor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► you're sitting somewhere you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► something on your computer and you get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► text message and you look at it on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► phone that that's steampunk window it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► physically in a different location [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► you're in a portable scenario where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► can have a gigantic 30-inch drafting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► board you know surface book pro like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► can't have that you're you're on the go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3715">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► physical device that you used to texting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► people from all your past texts in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► apps that you love our on there using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► that as a steampunk window to do your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► you're texting is perfectly valid and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► over trying to cram your messages window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► onto your 12 inch macbook screen next to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► the thing that you were trying to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► environment right so like I I get it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► get why there is I I do it myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► sometimes when I'm at work sometimes at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► work I will send and receive text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► messages on my phone even though I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► be getting them on my mac screen just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► compartmentalization of work versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► personal you know texting over who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► going to pick up what kid from what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► activity or what you know what I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:40 ◼ ► like it makes sense to me to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3760">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► starts to make less sense when you're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► an environment you have a big desk and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► raid on your desk you have a series of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► iOS devices of different sizes because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► compromising in ways in you know who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► this a case you're saying like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3775">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► understand that and they have to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► because they are limited in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► multitasking and a more than anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► would like rich or multitasking so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► not I'm not slamming them for saying you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► should just use windows because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► can't you can't use it on iOS and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► want to use iOS devices there we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► stuck waiting for Apple to innovate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► there it's just frustrating to me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► organically creeping up on on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► solution and that the solution is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► bigger iOS device is suitable for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► desktop environment that supports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► something like Windows that gives the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► user is more flexibility in how they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► arrange their space everybody does this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► is one of my big things with all spatial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► founder and everybody arrange is their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► workspace especially if it's a job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► you're doing all the time whether it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► a carpenter arranging their tools or an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► artist arranging their palates and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► paints and their brushes and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► easily like and having or a chef setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► aside all the ingredients that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► going to you know use in their thing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► workspace efficient workers do arrange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► their workspace we all do it on our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3834">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► computers now we all have different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3836">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► arrangements and different amounts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3837">TS</a>]
01:03:58 ◼ ► things and whether use spaces are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3838">TS</a>]
01:04:02 ◼ ► maximize everything and flip through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3842">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► them with your fingers or alt tab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► through things or click like that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► thing that we're going to do matter what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► we do with we do with windows we do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► with our steampunk windows we do it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► the physical world and I think no matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:15 ◼ ► what our interface to work is it has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3855">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► allow us to do that in some way and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► you know Mike and teacher be grey and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► everyone else who live in the multipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:24 ◼ ► lifestyle they're doing it the only way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► with the tools that they like but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► think we have to acknowledge the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► approach is fairly well proven at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► point for a certain set of users it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► disproven for a certain set of users as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3877">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► well because we all know that novice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► users the reason why they love iOS is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► because doesn't let them have to deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► with this crap they don't get all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3883">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► confused by a bunch of windows right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► for a certain set of users you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► you were to tell someone that they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► to you know do three animation for Pixar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► about where they weren't allowed to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► windows they just had to use everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► full screen or a split screen they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3895">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► have a much harder time getting a job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3897">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► done I would imagine also I mean like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► one other like side benefit like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► Apple were to do windowing on iPads it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► would also solve a tremendous problem of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► the iPad app ecosystem where iOS apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► are often not very optimized for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► iPad or aren't optimized for it at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► and sometimes really big apps like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:17 ◼ ► Instagram where which famously like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3917">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► still does not have an iPad app and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► shut down the API that allowed other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► iPad apps to exist for them imagine if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► instead of having the you know the dumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► like you know giant letterboxd iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► simulator version on ipad what if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► launched an on ipad optimized app and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► just launched in a in an iPhone sized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► window and you could drag it around and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► you could have other apps that you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► shrink down to that size and tile around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:48 ◼ ► your screen if you wanted to like almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3948">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► every iPad app that is the universal app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► with its phone version can again it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3955">TS</a>]
01:05:57 ◼ ► scale to all these different sizes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3957">TS</a>]
01:05:59 ◼ ► could solve problems like this very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3959">TS</a>]
01:06:01 ◼ ► well also things like you know when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3961">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► Apple does make larger iPads that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► there's still a lot of ipad apps that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► aren't optimized for the 12.9 what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► when you launch one of these things on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► 12.9 it just launched in a 9.7 sized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:14 ◼ ► window and it was just one of many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3974">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► windows on your screen like there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► there are lots of benefits to this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► technical challenges of things like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► do you manage memory for all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► different apps that could be you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:28 ◼ ► appearing to be running all at once and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3988">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► be in the foreground all at once and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:32 ◼ ► lots of API challenges or things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3992">TS</a>]
01:06:34 ◼ ► touch handling and what what kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3994">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► gets the attention and what doesn't and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► there's some weirdness already with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► you have a keyboard connected and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► have you know two and you have two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► different apps open right now during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:46 ◼ ► most Destin and you hit a shortcut key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4006">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► on the keyboard which app gets it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► something but it's like that but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► no active state on the title bar to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4016">TS</a>]
01:06:58 ◼ ► indicate which one that is so you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4018">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► have to know or guess or try it so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► if they were to go in a direction like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► this that that brought like full-blown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► windowing in some form or full-blown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:08 ◼ ► most as like this to iOS there is a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4028">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► of work to be done it's not a small task [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:13 ◼ ► it is a this is not something they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4033">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► do in you know likely one release you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► know this is like a massive undertaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► and they've already done some of it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:23 ◼ ► doing a more freeform system Michael [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4043">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► we're describing would require a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:27 ◼ ► more of it but I think the result would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4047">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► be pretty great and an incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► powerful and really revive the ipad for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► productivity use which it does seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► Apple needs something to do that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► would be great and that would also you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► know if we if we do it the way I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► we're like you know not optimized apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► with just launched in old device sized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► windows that could also solve this major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► market and software ecosystem problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► that the ipad also faces so like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4072">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► would be a really great solution in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4075">TS</a>]
01:07:56 ◼ ► number of ways the only question is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4076">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► would they ever do it would they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► it be worth devoting the resources to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:02 ◼ ► and would they then just be recreating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:04 ◼ ► the mac poorly you know like they like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4084">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► the old lisp joke like or unix or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► whatever for purple eyes everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:10 ◼ ► later be recreating the mac better they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4090">TS</a>]
01:08:12 ◼ ► should be learning from the mac and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4092">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► know making it better faster like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► know the Six Million Dollar Man type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► thing they should like they trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► slowly convert the mac and do a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► like into a thing that is better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► mac is difficult but iOS you know is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4104">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► relatively clean slate they they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► reconsider everything they can only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► bring over the things that are good they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► can make different compromises they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► skew it in a particular direction they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4114">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► can make they can try to make it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► users who can't deal with lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► windows don't have to like make get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► shave off the sharp corners because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► see everyone's seen someone struggle to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► manage windows on a personal computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:49 ◼ ► but you know the lowercase W again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4129">TS</a>]
01:08:52 ◼ ► whether it's on the Mac or on the pc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4132">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► even in on the pc where everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► full screen and people are alt tabbing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4136">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► there's still some confusion about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4137">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► floating things in layering and dialog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► boxes that appear and where did it go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► and mission a mission control and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► supposed to help with that and all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► are great things those are all things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► learn from trying the right compromise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► for iOS devices where most of the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► it works the way most people want it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► but that the more advanced users have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► the ability to to get the productivity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► currently getting with multiple physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► devices that's that's the bounce that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► Apple should strike and I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► great to do that on iOS where you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► not constrained by even making something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4170">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► like Stevens thing here it looks like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► Mac window who says the title bar so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4175">TS</a>]
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01:09:38 ◼ ► have window witters what about scroll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4178">TS</a>]
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01:09:46 ◼ ► simultaneously as we get more and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4186">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► figuring out what that means as screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4189">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► get bigger letting people divide the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4193">TS</a>]
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01:09:58 ◼ ► want to run and then eventually gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4198">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► indecisive the right approach to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4200">TS</a>]
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01:10:05 ◼ ► side by side windows but then you go off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4205">TS</a>]
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01:10:08 ◼ ► back into that side-by-side arrangement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4208">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► or maybe you want to go back to just one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► application not be in the side-by-side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► arrangement but there are so many things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► that are still undetermined and its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► young and they haven't made a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► decisions yet so I think it's fine but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► you know as Marco pointed out they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► already painted themselves into weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► corners where like oh we allowed most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:25 ◼ ► buildings on the screen and we allow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:26 ◼ ► keyboard shortcuts but not we never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4226">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► thought of a way to indicate which one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► is that has the focus so already we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4230">TS</a>]
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01:10:42 ◼ ► you stomping on it but I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4242">TS</a>]
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01:11:10 ◼ ► do needs a website these days but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4270">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► not really worth installing a whole CMS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► and building the entire thing from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4275">TS</a>]
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01:11:36 ◼ ► Squarespace lets you do that whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► you're making a site for yourself or for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► somebody else who's asked you to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4301">TS</a>]
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01:11:43 ◼ ► probably know how to make websites you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4303">TS</a>]
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01:12:05 ◼ ► to make a website for anybody for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4325">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► yourself or somebody else try it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:08 ◼ ► Squarespace first give me the benefit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4328">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► the doubt here try it there first and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4330">TS</a>]
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01:12:34 ◼ ► manage it for you they support it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4354">TS</a>]
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01:12:37 ◼ ► important they support it you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► to worry about all the backend stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4360">TS</a>]
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01:13:02 ◼ ► a full god running it's so much anger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► from the ipad people I'm so sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4387">TS</a>]
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01:13:10 ◼ ► things about the ipad yeah the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4390">TS</a>]
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01:13:14 ◼ ► moved on from talking about the multipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4394">TS</a>]
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01:13:25 ◼ ► becoming programmers and it's okay and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► that's good there it turns out there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4407">TS</a>]
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01:13:34 ◼ ► just write these little things you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4414">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► call them I don't know programs yeah it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:39 ◼ ► reminds me of some what did I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4419">TS</a>]
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01:13:45 ◼ ► specifications first off our projects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4425">TS</a>]
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01:13:51 ◼ ► typically requirements like I want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► blah blah blah and it's like that's too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4433">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► vague I don't know exactly what you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4435">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► so you go back and forth about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4436">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► requirements do you know how do you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4437">TS</a>]
01:13:59 ◼ ► to work know how do you really want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4439">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► work your honor barclay guess work like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:01 ◼ ► that and eventually the business person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4441">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► getting frustrated and it's like look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:06 ◼ ► just I'm going to tell you exactly how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4446">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► wanted to work with no ambiguity and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► it's like if you do that what you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► done is wrote a program yeah eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► it to specify it that's what programmers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► do like people just want to specify it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► and like and the adi adi or start all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:21 ◼ ► the details the computer you can't yadda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4461">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► yadda you have to say no how exactly do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► you want to work all right I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► tell you exactly how you wanted to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► in every kid in every condition here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► what you can do both love but it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► that's program that's called programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► you were you what you want to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► programmer now so go ahead all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► thank you you can very quickly find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► yourself becoming a programmer with as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► accidental pouring podcast become a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► programmer without knowing it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:43 ◼ ► eventually you'd be like getting down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4483">TS</a>]
01:14:46 ◼ ► a level of detail were you telling it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4486">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► I'm gonna tell you about every possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► eventuality what you should do that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► programming sure does know just does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► what you tell him what I love how like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4494">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► think I think Mike in particular is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4496">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► this isn't a special denial place here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► of like he makes fun of what not making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► fun but like he talks about the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► developers use the terminal and and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► geeks use the terminal as this kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:12 ◼ ► like crazy opaque thing that is this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► know incredibly you know geeky obscure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► and then they'd like to talk about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► like using workflow against Web API is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► to automate certain times like it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► same thing like it's just different to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:26 ◼ ► different era of the exact same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4526">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► like the same kind of learning curve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:30 ◼ ► really the same kind of you know similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4530">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► kind of capabilities as usual the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► like us think the old way was better but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:36 ◼ ► you know it's really the same kinds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4536">TS</a>]
01:15:38 ◼ ► things yeah although I think Mike my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4538">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► understanding of what Mike is doing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► that he's largely cribbing what others [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► like Federico or cgpgrey have done and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► modifying them a little bit but to build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► on what you were saying so on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► surface you know it sounds like Oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► Mike's not really a program at all but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4554">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► really that's how all programmers work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4556">TS</a>]
01:15:58 ◼ ► is they take something that gets you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4558">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► eighty percent of the way there and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:01 ◼ ► fix what you need in order to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4561">TS</a>]
01:16:02 ◼ ► rest of the way and so I agree with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4562">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► and Federico to me is is the king of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:07 ◼ ► this oh yes he's writing like ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4567">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► Python scripts and these like hyper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► involved workflows with like potentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► even recursion within them and it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► he's a developer we actually Federico [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:18 ◼ ► and I in a happy way had this fight like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4578">TS</a>]
01:16:20 ◼ ► i don't know to two months ago where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4580">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► said don't dude you are developer at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► this point like don't even try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:24 ◼ ► pretend you're not in and he didn't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4584">TS</a>]
01:16:27 ◼ ► to hear it not in a jerky way he just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4587">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► like oh I'm not a developer I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► how to do the stuff you guys do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► you're doing it it's not even a question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► it's already happening in the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:36 ◼ ► like that our friend dr. Drang is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4596">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► know like dr. drying post on leading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► crew calm and like he's not a programmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► by trade but he writes tons of scripts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► most of which are in Python to do all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► sorts of things for his work and so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► he wildly while he probably does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► consider himself a programmer he uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4613">TS</a>]
01:16:56 ◼ ► programming he knows a programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4616">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► language and he uses it to get tasks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4618">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► done for his work and there's lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► room for that type of person you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► just like look I mean like Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► Office has has forever had its macro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► language right it's that's the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:11 ◼ ► thing that's just visual basic like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4631">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► the same that that's also programming my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► first job was programming vba in a giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► Excel spreadsheet for some company to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► save that much time like that's that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► lot of what programming in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► would actually is like people doing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:24 ◼ ► little custom or one off things that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4644">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► continuum of like power users like hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► first the first thing you learn as i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► could power user is you might learn like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► a keyboard shortcut for some common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:36 ◼ ► stuff and ohmygod this is great and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4656">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► eventually you might learn some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► automation of something like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► first you kind of figure like how do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► do manual work faster right that's at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:46 ◼ ► the keyboard shortcut approach then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4666">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► like how do I actually use the computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► immense speed and power to do things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:55 ◼ ► faster than I could do them manually and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4675">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► that's me checking it's like the basic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4677">TS</a>]
01:17:59 ◼ ► things like batch operations in pro apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4679">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► on the mac you'd have things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► Automator and on ipad yo things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► workflow and then eventually I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:09 ◼ ► the next epithet is like no you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4689">TS</a>]
01:18:11 ◼ ► actually just writing code if some sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4691">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► whether it's just a simple stealing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:15 ◼ ► shell script or a javascript thing or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4695">TS</a>]
01:18:18 ◼ ► whether it's actually like you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4698">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► Ruby or Python like what we'd call it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► real language script or app to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4702">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► something custom like this is just these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4705">TS</a>]
01:18:27 ◼ ► are all just points on the the power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4707">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► user curve and being a programmer is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:33 ◼ ► like some special boundary that you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4713">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► to like go to college to know how to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:37 ◼ ► no it's just like it's just the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4717">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► step on that curve after you've used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► tools like workflow or Automator and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:45 ◼ ► customization or a little bit more power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4725">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► and then you get into these things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:49 ◼ ► really are programming you just might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4729">TS</a>]
01:18:51 ◼ ► not realize it until after you've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4731">TS</a>]
01:18:52 ◼ ► doing it for a while yeah Mike and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4732">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► fatigue would both be making hypercard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4735">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► stacks 30 years ago okay I don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► guys don't remember that error but I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► hyper card yep same here there used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► be many more back back before Apple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:07 ◼ ► most of the rest of the industry gave up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4747">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► programming easy enough for people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► didn't want to be into programming there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► are many many attempts Apple script is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► one of them to try to make programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:16 ◼ ► more accessible to the masses with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4756">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► something that is farther along that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► programming language but is this a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► language that looks friendly or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► and lots of people into hyper card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► stacks and like it's another accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:30 ◼ ► programmer thing we're sure people made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4770">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► hypercar stack so most people it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► easy enough for them to tackle many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► people who didn't consider themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► programmers were like they weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:39 ◼ ► intimidated by hypercard and like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4779">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► i'll go through these tutorials so i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:44 ◼ ► make a button new i click the button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4784">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► into makes a beeping noise like and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► know and for some what you're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► make a button on a mac of that era was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4789">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► much harder if you were using the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► toolbox and it wasn't hypercard and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4794">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► they could be successful pretty quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4795">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► and for the people who had the who were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4797">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► they never thought of themselves as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► programmers but it turns out if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► introduce them to it fast forward three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► incredibly complicated hypercard stack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► using hyper talk like a real programmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► and they have suddenly found themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► as not everybody who does it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► it turns people into programs it reveals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► programmers that were always there right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4817">TS</a>]
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01:20:23 ◼ ► wants to do this they start off with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► beeping button and you just you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:27 ◼ ► step away for like a couple weeks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4827">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► you come back as like what have you done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4829">TS</a>]
01:20:31 ◼ ► and like they have made this entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4831">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► world for themselves and they have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► formal education they don't know what a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► subject team is they don't know any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► theory about data structures are but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:40 ◼ ► principles the basics of programming and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4840">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► hyper talk and you know doing incredible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► I saw it all the time doing incredible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4845">TS</a>]
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01:20:58 ◼ ► it and really still don't quite know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:00 ◼ ► what you're doing in the formal sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4860">TS</a>]
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01:21:04 ◼ ► rudiments of program with no instruction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:06 ◼ ► from anywhere else really by having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4866">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► box in front of you and knowing some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:10 ◼ ► basic things and that is that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4870">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► beautiful thing to see and I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4871">TS</a>]
01:21:13 ◼ ► hearing stories of like places that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4873">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► still running hypercard stacks and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:16 ◼ ► their mac Aziz just because like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4876">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► somebody wrote it years ago I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:23 ◼ ► heartwarming because I know it it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4883">TS</a>]
01:21:24 ◼ ► quite as heart wrong people still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4884">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► burning their payroll and COBOL or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4885">TS</a>]
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01:21:28 ◼ ► care of a lot of those but but either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:32 ◼ ► listening who think they will never be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4892">TS</a>]
01:21:34 ◼ ► programmers it that's possible you may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4894">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► never be it but it's like it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:39 ◼ ► there's a reason people caught like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4899">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► permit roaring bug like you get bitten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4900">TS</a>]
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01:21:44 ◼ ► all of us here on this podcast I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4904">TS</a>]
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01:21:47 ◼ ► point you get exposed to something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4907">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► it just you know it sinks its teeth into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► you and you lose track of time you lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► track of the years and you realize this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:57 ◼ ► is just the whole world that you bury [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4917">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► yourself into some people are exposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:01 ◼ ► the exact same thing or like yeah not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4921">TS</a>]
01:22:03 ◼ ► for me right but the distinction would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4923">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► you tell most people has nothing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:07 ◼ ► with education or even desire it is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4927">TS</a>]
01:22:11 ◼ ► programming addicting to you you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4931">TS</a>]
01:22:14 ◼ ► know that pretty quickly and you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4934">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► guess what programming is addicted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:18 ◼ ► him like you would not be doing these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4938">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► things if he it like it he's bitten so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► hard but it's like the he's mad with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► power of being able to tell the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:27 ◼ ► to do what he wants it to do in a series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4947">TS</a>]
01:22:29 ◼ ► of sophisticated ways breaking down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4949">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► problem into smaller pieces Rican [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► binding them right he's bitten by it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► hard just because he's not writing C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:37 ◼ ► doesn't mean that he is not a bitten by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4957">TS</a>]
01:22:39 ◼ ► the pura buggin be become a programmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4959">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► and I feel like that's the whole beauty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:44 ◼ ► of computers is like when you when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4964">TS</a>]
01:22:46 ◼ ► break that barrier between like when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4966">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► was saying on my curve about like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► you're just doing manual things faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4970">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► versus when you have the computer start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:54 ◼ ► working for you and way faster than you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4974">TS</a>]
01:22:57 ◼ ► ever could manually the whole beauty of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4977">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► computers is the ability to cross that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:01 ◼ ► line the ability to do that like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4981">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► Slyke this the famous Steve Jobs quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► about the computer is a bicycle for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:07 ◼ ► mind like it's not because you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4987">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► you all the shortcut keys to do things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► repetitively over and over again it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:14 ◼ ► because you could just like put in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4994">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► just the right kind of input and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► computer can just skyrocket past you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► executing that code way way way faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► and more reliable and more consistently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:25 ◼ ► than you ever could or doing things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5005">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► you could never do in a practical amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:29 ◼ ► of time like and it's just like one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5009">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► the reasons why I get frustrated when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:36 ◼ ► things like you know iOS move or start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5016">TS</a>]
01:23:40 ◼ ► and directions where things really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5020">TS</a>]
01:23:41 ◼ ► locked down and it's hard to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5021">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► kind of stuff it's because I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:44 ◼ ► that's kind of missing or kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5024">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► computers have given us as a society [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► like the whole point of computers is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5032">TS</a>]
01:23:56 ◼ ► enable humans to do think to to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5036">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► these kind of you know information based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► tasks done in in ways and at speeds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:07 ◼ ► volumes that we could never do on our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5047">TS</a>]
01:24:09 ◼ ► own like through manual calculations or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5049">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► anything else and for any computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:15 ◼ ► platform to be truly empowering to its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5055">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► users it has to allow that in some way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► and hopefully in a reasonably easy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:23 ◼ ► capable way and efforts to do that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5063">TS</a>]
01:24:27 ◼ ► iOS are really really held back by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5067">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► just limitations of iOS and things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► workflow and python is starlike they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:35 ◼ ► these things have existed and do exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5075">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► and are good for people but there's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► much further to go to make them even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► just match the level of power and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:48 ◼ ► sophistication that regular people can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5088">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► achieve on you know windows or a Mac let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► alone like on you know future things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5093">TS</a>]
01:24:55 ◼ ► that we might think of even better ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5095">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► to do things and so that that's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5097">TS</a>]
01:24:59 ◼ ► like it kind of hurts me philosophically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5099">TS</a>]
01:25:03 ◼ ► whenever it appears the computing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5103">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► platform is going in the opposite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► direction and what most Lee's people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:09 ◼ ► doing by the way like in the continuum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5109">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► is that that you can use tools made by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► other people which is what the app store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:14 ◼ ► is great like gives regular people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5114">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► access to tools other people have made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5116">TS</a>]
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01:25:20 ◼ ► know you're taking the inventory of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:22 ◼ ► the books that are on your shelves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5122">TS</a>]
01:25:23 ◼ ► there's an app that you can just point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5123">TS</a>]
01:25:24 ◼ ► your phone at it and but look up the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5124">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► know someone it's over like it's a tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:27 ◼ ► to do a job better right the the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5127">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► step along that is I don't see any tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:32 ◼ ► that does the thing that I wanted to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5132">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► I'm going to make my own tool so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:36 ◼ ► repetitive tasks but that they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5136">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► building a tool for them to do whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:39 ◼ ► real-world tests they're doing whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5139">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► it's managing their business or doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► their hobby keeping track of their model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► trains or controlling their model trains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► or whatever like they don't see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► thing that they want in the world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► they realize they can make this thing do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:52 ◼ ► what they wanted to do it so they build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5152">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► tool for themselves and it doesn't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5153">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► they have to suddenly become an app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5156">TS</a>]
01:25:58 ◼ ► whatever it's just like the people use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5158">TS</a>]
01:25:59 ◼ ► FileMaker database to manage their you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5159">TS</a>]
01:26:01 ◼ ► know retail store or something where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5161">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► they sale cameras they don't consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► that they're making a tool to do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:07 ◼ ► accomplish some other task that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5167">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► another point in the line using other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:10 ◼ ► people's tools versus saying God no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5170">TS</a>]
01:26:13 ◼ ► else makes this tool or the tools they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5173">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► make aren't to my liking and I can make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► essentially making his own tools for his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:19 ◼ ► work flow because there's no existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5179">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► thing that integrates all the different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► pieces the way he wants them to do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:24 ◼ ► he has specific needs about it so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5184">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► know it's not you know in some cases he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:28 ◼ ► is automating something you have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5188">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► manual but other cases like he's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:31 ◼ ► not a plication development but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5191">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► it's tool building and we all do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:34 ◼ ► smart little monkeys that use a stick to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5194">TS</a>]
01:26:36 ◼ ► you know hit something instead of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5196">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► hands because the stick is better right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:40 ◼ ► you know it's all you know a bicycle for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5200">TS</a>]
01:26:44 ◼ ► then a wooden stick a monkey with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5204">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► stick yeah or that you know the muggy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5207">TS</a>]
01:26:50 ◼ ► with the bone from 2001 but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5210">TS</a>]
01:26:51 ◼ ► basically a lot of boils down to and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5211">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► taking away the ability to or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5213">TS</a>]
01:26:57 ◼ ► not taking it away but making the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5217">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► barrier to making your old tools mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► like either you get to use tools other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► people made giant giant gap Xcode that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:07 ◼ ► gap is too big yeah it's too big for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5227">TS</a>]
01:27:10 ◼ ► most people to cross and there it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5230">TS</a>]
01:27:12 ◼ ► know the apps like workflow show that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5232">TS</a>]
01:27:13 ◼ ► there is a Raeven Automator or simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5233">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► scripting languages or anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► that or poor HyperCard all that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► even though most of the experiments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:21 ◼ ► failed in what they thought the goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5241">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► would be like everyone's going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:24 ◼ ► programmer nope that's not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5244">TS</a>]
01:27:25 ◼ ► happen right but you do need something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5245">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► on that middle tier for the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:29 ◼ ► are never going to graduate all apps to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5249">TS</a>]
01:27:30 ◼ ► being a full-fledged programmer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5250">TS</a>]
01:27:32 ◼ ► using Xcode but they don't need to they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5252">TS</a>]
01:27:34 ◼ ► just need something in the middle that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5254">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► can you know they can let them make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:39 ◼ ► tools to make their life better even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5259">TS</a>]
01:27:41 ◼ ► though their goal in life is not to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5261">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► an application developer and there never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:44 ◼ ► need to make something as code and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5264">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► submit to the App Store so Apple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:49 ◼ ► education bringing back a slight slight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5269">TS</a>]
01:27:52 ◼ ► sidetrack yeah after that that 45 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5272">TS</a>]
01:27:55 ◼ ► minutes I track Oh was that the topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5275">TS</a>]
01:27:57 ◼ ► believe it or not because then we got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5277">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► just saying how people with ipads irri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:02 ◼ ► mad at us and we just got buried bag and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5282">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► iPads again it's right there all secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:05 ◼ ► programmers all right that's right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5285">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► anyway so Apple and education now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:08 ◼ ► there's new york times article that says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5288">TS</a>]
01:28:09 ◼ ► that while the headline is apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5289">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► classrooms and I didn't get a chance to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:16 ◼ ► read the article but my understanding is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5296">TS</a>]
01:28:17 ◼ ► basically that there are fewer devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5297">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► being shipped to schools for from Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:23 ◼ ► it seems like Microsoft is slightly on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5303">TS</a>]
01:28:25 ◼ ► the up in Google thanks to Chromebooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5305">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► are is way on the up which is great I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► guess for Google and kind of a bummer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:34 ◼ ► for Apple since this used to be their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5314">TS</a>]
01:28:35 ◼ ► stronghold I mean I think I can speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5315">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► for Marco and saying my only exposure to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:39 ◼ ► a Mac or to an apple too was at school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5319">TS</a>]
01:28:41 ◼ ► like I didn't have any friends that had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5321">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► one it was always at school that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:45 ◼ ► exposed to it and that seems to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5325">TS</a>]
01:28:48 ◼ ► Chromebooks but well I don't know my my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5328">TS</a>]
01:28:52 ◼ ► experience was slightly different in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5332">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► it was to the Apple too in the early 90s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5338">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► the heyday of the Apple too yeah my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► computers they could they had were like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► ancient hand-me-down Apple tues most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► which were not even like you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:12 ◼ ► the later models they were like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5352">TS</a>]
01:29:13 ◼ ► the old like you know green and black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5353">TS</a>]
01:29:15 ◼ ► want like you know before color and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5355">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► things like memory uh they were it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► it was a pretty pretty basic but I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► them because they were the only computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:25 ◼ ► had ever used up to that point they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5365">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► amazing even in like nineteen ninety-two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► whenever that was but and then after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:32 ◼ ► that like wow I a few years later I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► to a different school and they had just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► pcs because at that point that was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:39 ◼ ► that was like 93 ish a 94 and by that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5379">TS</a>]
01:29:43 ◼ ► point like you know max I think we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5383">TS</a>]
01:29:45 ◼ ► too expensive for most schools at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5385">TS</a>]
01:29:46 ◼ ► point and I think like most schools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5386">TS</a>]
01:29:49 ◼ ► there was like we had like there was one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5389">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► Mac in one of the computer labs that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5391">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► weren't allowed to use unless you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5394">TS</a>]
01:29:56 ◼ ► in some kind of like graphic design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5396">TS</a>]
01:29:57 ◼ ► class that like they they could use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5397">TS</a>]
01:29:59 ◼ ► but otherwise it was all pcs for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5399">TS</a>]
01:30:01 ◼ ► same reason that we're part about to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5401">TS</a>]
01:30:02 ◼ ► talk about which is cost because when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5402">TS</a>]
01:30:04 ◼ ► you're in schools cost is a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5404">TS</a>]
01:30:06 ◼ ► really big factor so that I mean this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5406">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► article the news in this article on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► graphs in this article it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:15 ◼ ► surprise to Apple Apple knows all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5415">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► things Apple knows how much it's selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:19 ◼ ► apple knows how much is competitors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5419">TS</a>]
01:30:20 ◼ ► selling and the graph they show is only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5420">TS</a>]
01:30:22 ◼ ► from twenty twelve to twenty sixteen so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5422">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► it's not a long span but they show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:25 ◼ ► basically because Google comes out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5425">TS</a>]
01:30:27 ◼ ► nowhere basically like zero market share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5427">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► some time in two thousand ten or eleven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► and flies past both Apple and Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► or more or less flat flies past them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► around 2014 and now is at like four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:41 ◼ ► times their sales volume in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5441">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► units right so that's in a very short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:45 ◼ ► period of time Google comes out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5445">TS</a>]
01:30:47 ◼ ► nowhere and becomes the dominant player [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5447">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► in the market and the fact that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:51 ◼ ► knows that this happened because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5451">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► keep track of their own stuff but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5452">TS</a>]
01:30:54 ◼ ► seemingly has not had a strong response [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5454">TS</a>]
01:30:58 ◼ ► to it I know we talked about the pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5458">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► market mostly on this program but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► imagine we were you know instead we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:07 ◼ ► very interested in the education market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5467">TS</a>]
01:31:13 ◼ ► competitor in the form of Google for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5473">TS</a>]
01:31:16 ◼ ► many years now and it's reaction to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5476">TS</a>]
01:31:18 ◼ ► has been half-hearted features to let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5478">TS</a>]
01:31:21 ◼ ► more than one person use an iPad at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5481">TS</a>]
01:31:24 ◼ ► same time by logging in and out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5484">TS</a>]
01:31:27 ◼ ► improvement and stuff and a bunch of new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5487">TS</a>]
01:31:30 ◼ ► different shapes and sizes of iPads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5490">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► which all seem like they're good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:34 ◼ ► fine kind of like their efforts to add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5494">TS</a>]
01:31:36 ◼ ► like multitasking stuff the iPad in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5496">TS</a>]
01:31:37 ◼ ► different realm but if you look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5497">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► you know has this made them competitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:45 ◼ ► again in the education market or schools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5505">TS</a>]
01:31:47 ◼ ► to kick in the bot answer Google still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5507">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► kicking about if you measure things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:50 ◼ ► terms of unit sales maybe apple doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5510">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► measure that maybe I don't care what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:53 ◼ ► hell the unit sales are we're making all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5513">TS</a>]
01:31:54 ◼ ► the money we make all the profit that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5514">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► I guess a reasonable place to be in but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5517">TS</a>]
01:31:59 ◼ ► when it comes to education I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5519">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► think that you shouldn't really view it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► shouldn't make money on it but like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► one of the most important things Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5526">TS</a>]
01:32:08 ◼ ► is getting additive is just what Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5528">TS</a>]
01:32:09 ◼ ► talked about in case talked about in me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5529">TS</a>]
01:32:11 ◼ ► too like we saw Apple computers in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5531">TS</a>]
01:32:14 ◼ ► school and it doesn't mean that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5534">TS</a>]
01:32:15 ◼ ► going to grow up to only use Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5535">TS</a>]
01:32:16 ◼ ► computers but it sure as hell doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5536">TS</a>]
01:32:18 ◼ ► hurt being familiar with them getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5538">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► comfortable with them conceptualising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:24 ◼ ► computers in terms of what is presented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5544">TS</a>]
01:32:26 ◼ ► to you like this is what a computer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5546">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► so you know these multiple generations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5548">TS</a>]
01:32:31 ◼ ► of students who are growing up using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5551">TS</a>]
01:32:35 ◼ ► Chromebooks maybe they're conceptualized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5555">TS</a>]
01:32:38 ◼ ► Chromebooks as the equivalent of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5558">TS</a>]
01:32:39 ◼ ► crappy Apple tues that are crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5559">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► computers they would never buy for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:42 ◼ ► themselves that are pieces a junk that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5562">TS</a>]
01:32:43 ◼ ► are managed by the school and they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5563">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► to use her schoolwork but they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:47 ◼ ► becoming familiar with Google Docs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5567">TS</a>]
01:32:50 ◼ ► computing in a way that there used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5570">TS</a>]
01:32:53 ◼ ► associating apple with computing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5573">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► know so there are pluses and minuses to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5575">TS</a>]
01:32:56 ◼ ► being stigmatized as the computer I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5576">TS</a>]
01:32:57 ◼ ► to use in school but I think if Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5577">TS</a>]
01:33:02 ◼ ► again if Apple cares about the education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5582">TS</a>]
01:33:03 ◼ ► market at all it should not be happy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5583">TS</a>]
01:33:06 ◼ ► have its unit sales be flat over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5586">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► course the same course of time where a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:11 ◼ ► competitor comes from zero to squash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5591">TS</a>]
01:33:13 ◼ ► them by factor of four like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5593">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► think that's a good position to be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:17 ◼ ► the market now maybe apple doesn't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5597">TS</a>]
01:33:19 ◼ ► and they're willing to just let that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5599">TS</a>]
01:33:21 ◼ ► ride but how many markets are we going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5601">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► to look at and say Apple doesn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:25 ◼ ► not a big deal like what does Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5605">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► really care but it's is just phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:27 ◼ ► because even in the phone market they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5607">TS</a>]
01:33:29 ◼ ► still making all the money and sell lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5609">TS</a>]
01:33:32 ◼ ► of phones I think doing a great job with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5612">TS</a>]
01:33:34 ◼ ► their phone hardware but they're also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5614">TS</a>]
01:33:36 ◼ ► getting a butt-kicking unit sales there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5616">TS</a>]
01:33:37 ◼ ► you know by an increasing percentage by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5617">TS</a>]
01:33:40 ◼ ► this larger more open platform so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5620">TS</a>]
01:33:42 ◼ ► don't know what to think Apple stock is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5622">TS</a>]
01:33:44 ◼ ► way up the iphone is awesome everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5624">TS</a>]
01:33:46 ◼ ► loves it I love it but when I look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5626">TS</a>]
01:33:48 ◼ ► education of the program are kits maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5628">TS</a>]
01:33:50 ◼ ► it's just a salad for the Apple that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5630">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► used to be but boy things are sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5631">TS</a>]
01:33:53 ◼ ► changed I feel like both education and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5633">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► the pro markets are places that you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5637">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► consumer market they're kind of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:03 ◼ ► these nice like holdouts that if you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5643">TS</a>]
01:34:06 ◼ ► if you can get market share their you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5646">TS</a>]
01:34:08 ◼ ► can have a reasonably sustainable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5648">TS</a>]
01:34:10 ◼ ► business even if you you have lost or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5650">TS</a>]
01:34:13 ◼ ► you never even gain ground in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5653">TS</a>]
01:34:15 ◼ ► consumer market and so when Apple was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5655">TS</a>]
01:34:18 ◼ ► doing poorly in like the 90s and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5658">TS</a>]
01:34:20 ◼ ► they were they retreated to those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5660">TS</a>]
01:34:22 ◼ ► markets because with the education you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5662">TS</a>]
01:34:24 ◼ ► know and pros just like there's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5664">TS</a>]
01:34:26 ◼ ► there's special needs and you can deploy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5666">TS</a>]
01:34:29 ◼ ► a sales force tactically to like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5669">TS</a>]
01:34:33 ◼ ► need a you know a relatively small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5673">TS</a>]
01:34:35 ◼ ► number of very big sales to succeed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5675">TS</a>]
01:34:38 ◼ ► these markets and that's not necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5678">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► easy to get but that's easier than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:42 ◼ ► convincing the entire consumer shopping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5682">TS</a>]
01:34:45 ◼ ► public to buy your stuff if they aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5685">TS</a>]
01:34:47 ◼ ► already interested in it you know and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5687">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► you know Apple I feel like Apple went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► these markets not because they thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:57 ◼ ► necessarily for things like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5697">TS</a>]
01:34:58 ◼ ► your kids are going to use it what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5698">TS</a>]
01:35:00 ◼ ► are familiar with but because they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5700">TS</a>]
01:35:02 ◼ ► the only ones willing to buy apple stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5702">TS</a>]
01:35:04 ◼ ► for a long time and now that that's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5704">TS</a>]
01:35:06 ◼ ► longer the case Apple is seemingly being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5706">TS</a>]
01:35:10 ◼ ► more managed by numbers these days which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5710">TS</a>]
01:35:12 ◼ ► is unfortunate if that's true but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5712">TS</a>]
01:35:15 ◼ ► is for how it looks and these days it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5715">TS</a>]
01:35:18 ◼ ► you know because they are popular with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5718">TS</a>]
01:35:21 ◼ ► consumers by so much that they that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5721">TS</a>]
01:35:25 ◼ ► can kind of afford to throw away less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5725">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► profitable market segments that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:30 ◼ ► basically what they appear to be doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5730">TS</a>]
01:35:31 ◼ ► regardless of whatever Tim Cook's vague [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5731">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► statement of the week is about how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:35 ◼ ► they still care about us the reality is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5735">TS</a>]
01:35:38 ◼ ► rules are especially these days pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5738">TS</a>]
01:35:41 ◼ ► hard to make money i mean again like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5741">TS</a>]
01:35:42 ◼ ► apples heyday in schools back like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5742">TS</a>]
01:35:45 ◼ ► like the late 90s and stuff that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5745">TS</a>]
01:35:47 ◼ ► also at a time or you know early min-soo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5747">TS</a>]
01:35:49 ◼ ► that was also a time when technology was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5749">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► new and novel and schools were getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► all sorts of these funding grants for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5755">TS</a>]
01:35:58 ◼ ► going and getting computers you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5758">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► granted not every school but there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:02 ◼ ► lot of like other people's money being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5762">TS</a>]
01:36:04 ◼ ► poured into like we need to get our kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5764">TS</a>]
01:36:06 ◼ ► and technology and it was i feel like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5766">TS</a>]
01:36:08 ◼ ► was probably easier to sell into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5768">TS</a>]
01:36:12 ◼ ► computers are no longer new and cool now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5772">TS</a>]
01:36:14 ◼ ► it's just a budget item and now it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5774">TS</a>]
01:36:16 ◼ ► down to okay we really need things to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5776">TS</a>]
01:36:18 ◼ ► cheap and whatever's cheapest and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5778">TS</a>]
01:36:19 ◼ ► easiest for us to manage and and again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5779">TS</a>]
01:36:22 ◼ ► cheapest that's what we're going to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5782">TS</a>]
01:36:24 ◼ ► with and so i basically i feel like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5784">TS</a>]
01:36:28 ◼ ► conditions are very different now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5788">TS</a>]
01:36:30 ◼ ► both Apple needs education and prose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5790">TS</a>]
01:36:34 ◼ ► less than they used to and also in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5794">TS</a>]
01:36:39 ◼ ► education market at market I think now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5799">TS</a>]
01:36:40 ◼ ► is significantly more price driven it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5800">TS</a>]
01:36:43 ◼ ► specifically with regard to computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5803">TS</a>]
01:36:45 ◼ ► than it was 20 years ago you know back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5805">TS</a>]
01:36:48 ◼ ► when went these things were new and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5808">TS</a>]
01:36:50 ◼ ► were always great money coming in i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5810">TS</a>]
01:36:51 ◼ ► think it was always it was always tight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5811">TS</a>]
01:36:53 ◼ ► for schools i don't think it's that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5813">TS</a>]
01:36:54 ◼ ► of a difference like I I would probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5814">TS</a>]
01:36:57 ◼ ► agree that schools or not as well funded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5817">TS</a>]
01:36:58 ◼ ► as they used to be but I would disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5818">TS</a>]
01:37:01 ◼ ► that price consciousness is a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5821">TS</a>]
01:37:03 ◼ ► phenomenon when it comes to computers in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5823">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► schools well and again that was also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:07 ◼ ► back back in the 90s to I I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5827">TS</a>]
01:37:09 ◼ ► the the difference in price was not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5829">TS</a>]
01:37:11 ◼ ► big like you know these days I'm these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5831">TS</a>]
01:37:13 ◼ ► you're killing me these days like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5833">TS</a>]
01:37:17 ◼ ► difference in price between a Chromebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5837">TS</a>]
01:37:19 ◼ ► and a macbook pro or any or macbook air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5839">TS</a>]
01:37:22 ◼ ► it's like four times like that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5842">TS</a>]
01:37:24 ◼ ► that's a massive multiplier you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5844">TS</a>]
01:37:26 ◼ ► literally get like depending on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5846">TS</a>]
01:37:28 ◼ ► model of mac that you select you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5848">TS</a>]
01:37:30 ◼ ► like four to eight Chromebooks for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5850">TS</a>]
01:37:33 ◼ ► same price and it was worse when your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5853">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► choice was a Macintosh señor an IBM PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:39 ◼ ► believe me or a PC PC clone gateway 2000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5859">TS</a>]
01:37:41 ◼ ► or Mac se gateway 2000 or Mac to see I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5861">TS</a>]
01:37:44 ◼ ► it was it was worse real it was more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5864">TS</a>]
01:37:48 ◼ ► than like a four to 5x multiplier on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5868">TS</a>]
01:37:51 ◼ ► terrible and the numbers were all bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5871">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► right did you remember how much I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:54 ◼ ► know if you remember how much max used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5874">TS</a>]
01:37:55 ◼ ► to do you remember how much my Macintosh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5875">TS</a>]
01:37:57 ◼ ► chassis cost I wasn't there when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5877">TS</a>]
01:37:59 ◼ ► bought it no but I I but like I'm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5879">TS</a>]
01:38:02 ◼ ► that you like in the 90s a decent pc was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5882">TS</a>]
01:38:04 ◼ ► about 2,000 bucks all right so I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5884">TS</a>]
01:38:07 ◼ ► do the calculation here I don't know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5887">TS</a>]
01:38:10 ◼ ► spent like three or four thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5890">TS</a>]
01:38:12 ◼ ► dollars at least I thought on my beloved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5892">TS</a>]
01:38:14 ◼ ► pentium pro 100 megahertz mean it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5894">TS</a>]
01:38:17 ◼ ► lot of money that's not to say that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5897">TS</a>]
01:38:21 ◼ ► of them were necessarily that much money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5901">TS</a>]
01:38:22 ◼ ► cuz that was pretty cutting edge at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5902">TS</a>]
01:38:23 ◼ ► time and you know it was dad that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5903">TS</a>]
01:38:25 ◼ ► buying it for himself and I just never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5905">TS</a>]
01:38:26 ◼ ► let him use it because I'm a jerk but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5906">TS</a>]
01:38:28 ◼ ► that thing was not cheap yeah well but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5908">TS</a>]
01:38:31 ◼ ► and you know and schools wouldn't buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5911">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► the high-end ones usually you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:34 ◼ ► school or they did have to be conscious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5914">TS</a>]
01:38:36 ◼ ► of the budget of course but basically my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5916">TS</a>]
01:38:39 ◼ ► theory is basically that like that not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5919">TS</a>]
01:38:42 ◼ ► only was the money a little bit easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5922">TS</a>]
01:38:43 ◼ ► to justify spending computer if I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5923">TS</a>]
01:38:45 ◼ ► they were so new and everyone wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5925">TS</a>]
01:38:47 ◼ ► get their kids computers but also that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5927">TS</a>]
01:38:49 ◼ ► you know now the price differences is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5929">TS</a>]
01:38:52 ◼ ► vast between them and I don't think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5932">TS</a>]
01:38:55 ◼ ► was as vast back there it was for max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5935">TS</a>]
01:38:57 ◼ ► was mostly because max were so much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5937">TS</a>]
01:38:58 ◼ ► expensive so the educational discount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5938">TS</a>]
01:39:00 ◼ ► the college educational discount from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5940">TS</a>]
01:39:02 ◼ ► iMac ac30 which again is not a color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5942">TS</a>]
01:39:04 ◼ ► matte color max were available but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5944">TS</a>]
01:39:07 ◼ ► monochrome macintosh but was it still a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5947">TS</a>]
01:39:10 ◼ ► high-end configuration it was more high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5950">TS</a>]
01:39:13 ◼ ► end than the SEO or the plus which were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5953">TS</a>]
01:39:15 ◼ ► still for sale but still not like not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5955">TS</a>]
01:39:17 ◼ ► color which again was a big thing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5957">TS</a>]
01:39:18 ◼ ► schools right which is a reason they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5958">TS</a>]
01:39:20 ◼ ► would buy a color pc right so 1990 ish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5960">TS</a>]
01:39:22 ◼ ► four thousand three hundred dollars in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5962">TS</a>]
01:39:24 ◼ ► nineteen eighty nine dollars or nineteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5964">TS</a>]
01:39:26 ◼ ► ninety dollars that if we converted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5966">TS</a>]
01:39:29 ◼ ► current dollars that's eight thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5969">TS</a>]
01:39:30 ◼ ► six hundred dollars for a monitor pewter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5970">TS</a>]
01:39:32 ◼ ► no keyboard no keyboard the keyboard was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5972">TS</a>]
01:39:34 ◼ ► 189 and nineteen eighty nine dollars you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5974">TS</a>]
01:39:36 ◼ ► had to compare the eight thousand six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5976">TS</a>]
01:39:38 ◼ ► hundred dollars for one monochrome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5978">TS</a>]
01:39:40 ◼ ► macintosh like the little you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5980">TS</a>]
01:39:42 ◼ ► little you know I kind of like vertical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5982">TS</a>]
01:39:44 ◼ ► natchitoches thing you could get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5984">TS</a>]
01:39:46 ◼ ► gateway computer for less than two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5986">TS</a>]
01:39:49 ◼ ► thousand dollars in 1989 money the price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5989">TS</a>]
01:39:53 ◼ ► difference was just as big if not bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5993">TS</a>]
01:39:56 ◼ ► especially because schools need it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5996">TS</a>]
01:39:58 ◼ ► have color that's why they all had apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5998">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► two gs is in them because the Appleton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:01 ◼ ► jess is per color nobody but you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6001">TS</a>]
01:40:05 ◼ ► your your priced multiplier was like 2x [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6005">TS</a>]
01:40:07 ◼ ► and I would also say that that the gate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6007">TS</a>]
01:40:09 ◼ ► would like to get a like a a mid SPECT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6009">TS</a>]
01:40:12 ◼ ► gateway like that gateway is color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6012">TS</a>]
01:40:14 ◼ ► though with a big color monitor if I go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6014">TS</a>]
01:40:15 ◼ ► if I go with like the mac to with a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6015">TS</a>]
01:40:17 ◼ ► color monitor it's not for under two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6017">TS</a>]
01:40:19 ◼ ► thousand dollars in 1990 if that's a mid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6019">TS</a>]
01:40:21 ◼ ► spec machine it's going to be a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6021">TS</a>]
01:40:22 ◼ ► over 2,000 so you're basically you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6022">TS</a>]
01:40:24 ◼ ► roughly a 2x multiplier which is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6024">TS</a>]
01:40:26 ◼ ► different from a 5x multiplier which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6026">TS</a>]
01:40:29 ◼ ► basically we have today I don't we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6029">TS</a>]
01:40:31 ◼ ► have exactly a 5x multiplier now because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6031">TS</a>]
01:40:33 ◼ ► they get educational discount on these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6033">TS</a>]
01:40:34 ◼ ► things and don't buy the top dollar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6034">TS</a>]
01:40:35 ◼ ► macbook so i think that i'm talking like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6035">TS</a>]
01:40:37 ◼ ► 250 bucks vs. like 1200 you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6037">TS</a>]
01:40:41 ◼ ► paying 1200 dots for and they're also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6041">TS</a>]
01:40:42 ◼ ► not paying 200 videos for other things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6042">TS</a>]
01:40:45 ◼ ► call told but anyway if I was go to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6045">TS</a>]
01:40:48 ◼ ► the mac to FX like a high-end computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6048">TS</a>]
01:40:49 ◼ ► that actually had color which against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6049">TS</a>]
01:40:51 ◼ ► schools wanted cause it gets way way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6051">TS</a>]
01:40:52 ◼ ► worse much faster like if you add a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6052">TS</a>]
01:40:54 ◼ ► monitor just adding that the cost of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6054">TS</a>]
01:40:55 ◼ ► monitor to the thing because you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6055">TS</a>]
01:40:56 ◼ ► buying the mac but that doesn't come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6056">TS</a>]
01:40:57 ◼ ► with the monitor and it doesn't come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6057">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► with a keyboard the multiplier was worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:00 ◼ ► for mac vs pc than it is for chromebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6060">TS</a>]
01:41:02 ◼ ► vs ipad which is the real comparison you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6062">TS</a>]
01:41:04 ◼ ► should be doing that chromebook vs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6064">TS</a>]
01:41:05 ◼ ► macbook pro or something no but I well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6065">TS</a>]
01:41:08 ◼ ► think that's the comparison Apple wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6068">TS</a>]
01:41:09 ◼ ► people to do i I think Apple wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6069">TS</a>]
01:41:11 ◼ ► present the iPad as the competitor for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6071">TS</a>]
01:41:14 ◼ ► the Chromebook but in practice I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6074">TS</a>]
01:41:15 ◼ ► think it is I think those are separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6075">TS</a>]
01:41:16 ◼ ► things it seems like schools have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6076">TS</a>]
01:41:19 ◼ ► pretty substantial need for laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6079">TS</a>]
01:41:22 ◼ ► shaped things well you know whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6082">TS</a>]
01:41:24 ◼ ► form that takes it does seem like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6084">TS</a>]
01:41:26 ◼ ► know obviously they do sell a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6086">TS</a>]
01:41:27 ◼ ► iPads in education but that seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6087">TS</a>]
01:41:30 ◼ ► it's almost a separate thing like it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6090">TS</a>]
01:41:32 ◼ ► think the the laptop form factor is has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6092">TS</a>]
01:41:36 ◼ ► proven to be more popular in recent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6096">TS</a>]
01:41:38 ◼ ► years then then tablets and schools and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6098">TS</a>]
01:41:41 ◼ ► in that form factor I mean that's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6101">TS</a>]
01:41:44 ◼ ► think that's one of the biggest reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6104">TS</a>]
01:41:45 ◼ ► why the macbook air still exists it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6105">TS</a>]
01:41:47 ◼ ► know if you look at at Apple's average [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6107">TS</a>]
01:41:50 ◼ ► selling price of the Mac it's basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6110">TS</a>]
01:41:53 ◼ ► the macbook air like by a long shot it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6113">TS</a>]
01:41:56 ◼ ► it seems very obvious that they sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6116">TS</a>]
01:41:57 ◼ ► like crate foals of macbook airs like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6117">TS</a>]
01:42:00 ◼ ► biggest ridiculous number of them but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6120">TS</a>]
01:42:04 ◼ ► that that really is like I think most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6124">TS</a>]
01:42:07 ◼ ► markets who were buying Chromebooks as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6127">TS</a>]
01:42:09 ◼ ► an alternative its alternative to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6129">TS</a>]
01:42:11 ◼ ► MacBook Airs not to iPads most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6131">TS</a>]
01:42:16 ◼ ► I'm plugging at the non-education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6136">TS</a>]
01:42:19 ◼ ► discount for the maggots he said it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6139">TS</a>]
01:42:20 ◼ ► four thousand dollars but no hard drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6140">TS</a>]
01:42:21 ◼ ► no hard drive for the 4500 dollar model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6141">TS</a>]
01:42:24 ◼ ► wouldn't have liked magneto-optical or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6144">TS</a>]
01:42:28 ◼ ► just fly so so the non educational [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6148">TS</a>]
01:42:30 ◼ ► discount for the good for the good su-30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6150">TS</a>]
01:42:32 ◼ ► that had an 80 megabyte hard drive in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6152">TS</a>]
01:42:34 ◼ ► for megs of ram 6,500 dollars in 1989 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6154">TS</a>]
01:42:37 ◼ ► money wow that's pretty bad that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6157">TS</a>]
01:42:39 ◼ ► that's why that's the one with the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6159">TS</a>]
01:42:41 ◼ ► amount of RAM and the big hard drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6161">TS</a>]
01:42:42 ◼ ► let's see what that one is thirteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6162">TS</a>]
01:42:45 ◼ ► thousand dollars alright so now we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6165">TS</a>]
01:42:46 ◼ ► getting into the modern Ulta for still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6166">TS</a>]
01:42:48 ◼ ► still no keyboard still no keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6168">TS</a>]
01:42:50 ◼ ► right that's next two hundred bucks yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6170">TS</a>]
01:42:53 ◼ ► how much was a civic in 89 or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6173">TS</a>]
01:42:57 ◼ ► year we're talking about here I gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6177">TS</a>]
01:42:59 ◼ ► think it was a less that are around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6179">TS</a>]
01:43:01 ◼ ► 13,000 or less than that yep they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6181">TS</a>]
01:43:02 ◼ ► they were trying it seems like it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6182">TS</a>]
01:43:04 ◼ ► be ridiculously it's only ridiculously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6184">TS</a>]
01:43:07 ◼ ► expensive when you convert for old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6187">TS</a>]
01:43:08 ◼ ► people it's only directions when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6188">TS</a>]
01:43:09 ◼ ► convert to today's dollars because back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6189">TS</a>]
01:43:12 ◼ ► then like you know it was the old adage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6192">TS</a>]
01:43:13 ◼ ► from like whatever there wasn't a PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6193">TS</a>]
01:43:16 ◼ ► Magazine the computer he was always five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6196">TS</a>]
01:43:17 ◼ ► thousand dollars and that remained true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6197">TS</a>]
01:43:19 ◼ ► but that remained true as the decades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6199">TS</a>]
01:43:21 ◼ ► passed and like you know inflation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6201">TS</a>]
01:43:23 ◼ ► happened right so it was always five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6203">TS</a>]
01:43:24 ◼ ► that in 1981 that the computer you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6204">TS</a>]
01:43:26 ◼ ► wanted was five thousand dollars and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6206">TS</a>]
01:43:27 ◼ ► 2010 the computer maybe if your computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6207">TS</a>]
01:43:30 ◼ ► that you wanted was five thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6210">TS</a>]
01:43:31 ◼ ► dollars but that five thousand dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6211">TS</a>]
01:43:33 ◼ ► was worth a lot a lot more in 1981 that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6213">TS</a>]
01:43:36 ◼ ► it wasn't 2010 right so it was a car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6216">TS</a>]
01:43:39 ◼ ► yeah but anyway max were astronomically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6219">TS</a>]
01:43:43 ◼ ► expensive I was always amazed when I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6223">TS</a>]
01:43:45 ◼ ► them in schools it's because apple gave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6225">TS</a>]
01:43:46 ◼ ► deep discounts and you know so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6226">TS</a>]
01:43:48 ◼ ► forty three hundred dollars for it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6228">TS</a>]
01:43:49 ◼ ► mine had a hard drive the 4300 dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6229">TS</a>]
01:43:51 ◼ ► for the good as he 30 was an amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6231">TS</a>]
01:43:53 ◼ ► bargain but nevertheless a tremendous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6233">TS</a>]
01:43:56 ◼ ► cost and and I and my kids schools these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6236">TS</a>]
01:43:58 ◼ ► days I see a surprising amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6238">TS</a>]
01:44:01 ◼ ► desktop max still like their old imax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6241">TS</a>]
01:44:03 ◼ ► right and then you see carts full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6243">TS</a>]
01:44:05 ◼ ► laptop which are like ice books right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6245">TS</a>]
01:44:06 ◼ ► because that's around the area when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6246">TS</a>]
01:44:10 ◼ ► everything you said about apples like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6250">TS</a>]
01:44:12 ◼ ► when you have to consumer market who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6252">TS</a>]
01:44:13 ◼ ► cares about these things that's all true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6253">TS</a>]
01:44:17 ◼ ► themselves and the image of themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6257">TS</a>]
01:44:18 ◼ ► they project to the world still seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6258">TS</a>]
01:44:21 ◼ ► include a lot of stuff having to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6261">TS</a>]
01:44:22 ◼ ► education that's what they lean on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6262">TS</a>]
01:44:24 ◼ ► much but I think they like the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6264">TS</a>]
01:44:26 ◼ ► showing students using these devices and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6266">TS</a>]
01:44:28 ◼ ► a lot of even a lot of their advertising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6268">TS</a>]
01:44:30 ◼ ► for their modern hardware granted there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6270">TS</a>]
01:44:31 ◼ ► may be picture like college students or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6271">TS</a>]
01:44:32 ◼ ► whatever but I think the company always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6272">TS</a>]
01:44:35 ◼ ► presents the use of its products in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6275">TS</a>]
01:44:37 ◼ ► education as something that they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6277">TS</a>]
01:44:39 ◼ ► proud of and that that could just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6279">TS</a>]
01:44:41 ◼ ► marketing though you know like like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6281">TS</a>]
01:44:43 ◼ ► mean they're also very proud of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6283">TS</a>]
01:44:44 ◼ ► who can draw on an iPad and skin call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6284">TS</a>]
01:44:46 ◼ ► that a creative pro but that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6286">TS</a>]
01:44:48 ◼ ► doesn't mean that they actually have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6288">TS</a>]
01:44:49 ◼ ► interested in addressing more of the pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6289">TS</a>]
01:44:51 ◼ ► market but it means that they're not it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6291">TS</a>]
01:44:54 ◼ ► brought a says to me is they have not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6294">TS</a>]
01:44:55 ◼ ► given up or are not abandoning that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6295">TS</a>]
01:44:57 ◼ ► market they're just not competing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6297">TS</a>]
01:45:00 ◼ ► well in it and maybe that's okay maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6300">TS</a>]
01:45:02 ◼ ► you just have a reasonable participation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6302">TS</a>]
01:45:05 ◼ ► and don't really worry that like some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6305">TS</a>]
01:45:06 ◼ ► cheap vendor is coming in and and swamp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6306">TS</a>]
01:45:08 ◼ ► new in unit sales because you're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6308">TS</a>]
01:45:10 ◼ ► player in the market like you're solidly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6310">TS</a>]
01:45:12 ◼ ► second or third place among three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6312">TS</a>]
01:45:14 ◼ ► players even though someone else is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6314">TS</a>]
01:45:16 ◼ ► selling for X as many things as you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6316">TS</a>]
01:45:17 ◼ ► into the market so maybe that's maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6317">TS</a>]
01:45:19 ◼ ► the time with them maybe they feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6319">TS</a>]
01:45:21 ◼ ► they have the high end of the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6321">TS</a>]
01:45:22 ◼ ► they're getting all the profits yada [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6322">TS</a>]
01:45:23 ◼ ► yada yada but i don't it doesn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6323">TS</a>]
01:45:25 ◼ ► like they're abandoning it whereas i see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6325">TS</a>]
01:45:27 ◼ ► fewer and fewer instances where they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6327">TS</a>]
01:45:29 ◼ ► showing somebody doing pro work on pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6329">TS</a>]
01:45:32 ◼ ► hardware because you know what would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6332">TS</a>]
01:45:35 ◼ ► they even show them doing i guess i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6335">TS</a>]
01:45:36 ◼ ► show them using final cut and well they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6336">TS</a>]
01:45:39 ◼ ► have them shown that they show them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6339">TS</a>]
01:45:40 ◼ ► using final cut with a touch bar macbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6340">TS</a>]
01:45:42 ◼ ► pro with these two giant LG monitors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6342">TS</a>]
01:45:44 ◼ ► behind that they didn't do that but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6344">TS</a>]
01:45:46 ◼ ► I mean like even this far you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6346">TS</a>]
01:45:49 ◼ ► recent history the trash can that their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6349">TS</a>]
01:45:51 ◼ ► big demo wwc was to have people from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6351">TS</a>]
01:45:54 ◼ ► Pixar using the trash can to do you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6354">TS</a>]
01:45:56 ◼ ► heavyweight stuff that basically like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6356">TS</a>]
01:45:58 ◼ ► other computers can't handle this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6358">TS</a>]
01:46:00 ◼ ► because it's just too much too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6360">TS</a>]
01:46:01 ◼ ► memory it's too much cpu that was a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6361">TS</a>]
01:46:03 ◼ ► time look at how this fancy new computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6363">TS</a>]
01:46:05 ◼ ► handles this that you know that was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6365">TS</a>]
01:46:08 ◼ ► was their demo of like this is pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6368">TS</a>]
01:46:10 ◼ ► hardware for pros yada yada and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6370">TS</a>]
01:46:12 ◼ ► haven't seen a demo like that since i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6372">TS</a>]
01:46:14 ◼ ► haven't seen an ad like that since from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6374">TS</a>]
01:46:15 ◼ ► Apple you're right it's been more about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6375">TS</a>]
01:46:16 ◼ ► like look this amazing laptop you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6376">TS</a>]
01:46:18 ◼ ► edit 4k video on this laptop isn't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6378">TS</a>]
01:46:20 ◼ ► great that's great and all but if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6380">TS</a>]
01:46:22 ◼ ► laptop is never going to leave your desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6382">TS</a>]
01:46:23 ◼ ► like is that the best choice for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6383">TS</a>]
01:46:24 ◼ ► editing Bay or whatever like a laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6384">TS</a>]
01:46:26 ◼ ► maybe maybe it is maybe that's apples in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6386">TS</a>]
01:46:28 ◼ ► the computer but it's that it's a far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6388">TS</a>]
01:46:30 ◼ ► cry from look let's sling around multi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6390">TS</a>]
01:46:33 ◼ ► gigabyte textures and paint on these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6393">TS</a>]
01:46:34 ◼ ► models in real time you know but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6394">TS</a>]
01:46:37 ◼ ► pics are employees doing that demo w say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6397">TS</a>]
01:46:39 ◼ ► so I think my main skepticism here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6399">TS</a>]
01:46:43 ◼ ► the strong correlation anymore between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6403">TS</a>]
01:46:45 ◼ ► the way Apple presents itself and its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6405">TS</a>]
01:46:48 ◼ ► products in the marketing events and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6408">TS</a>]
01:46:50 ◼ ► videos and commercials and what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6410">TS</a>]
01:46:52 ◼ ► actually make like it I agree with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6412">TS</a>]
01:46:54 ◼ ► that they do present themselves as being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6414">TS</a>]
01:46:56 ◼ ► you know as really being you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6416">TS</a>]
01:46:59 ◼ ► prioritizing education and and creative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6419">TS</a>]
01:47:02 ◼ ► people and things that it makes it for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6422">TS</a>]
01:47:04 ◼ ► great video makes for very commercial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6424">TS</a>]
01:47:06 ◼ ► makes for great statements and I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6426">TS</a>]
01:47:07 ◼ ► that a lot of these I could actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6427">TS</a>]
01:47:08 ◼ ► believe that themselves is sincerely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6428">TS</a>]
01:47:10 ◼ ► believe that but i think the actions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6430">TS</a>]
01:47:12 ◼ ► the results of the company say otherwise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6432">TS</a>]
01:47:13 ◼ ► they really do say that you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6433">TS</a>]
01:47:16 ◼ ► they are totally fine pricing themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6436">TS</a>]
01:47:19 ◼ ► out of education to a large degree and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6439">TS</a>]
01:47:21 ◼ ► ignoring actual pro demands when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6441">TS</a>]
01:47:26 ◼ ► don't line up with what Apple wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6446">TS</a>]
01:47:27 ◼ ► do for the consumer market it's what do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6447">TS</a>]
01:47:29 ◼ ► you bring up the trashcan Mac because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6449">TS</a>]
01:47:31 ◼ ► just today one appeared at my desk not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6451">TS</a>]
01:47:36 ◼ ► for me to use but just to share and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6456">TS</a>]
01:47:39 ◼ ► turned out we had just bought it just in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6459">TS</a>]
01:47:41 ◼ ► the last week or two because we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6461">TS</a>]
01:47:43 ◼ ► we have a guy on staff who's a video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6463">TS</a>]
01:47:46 ◼ ► editor and apparently the dual GPUs were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6466">TS</a>]
01:47:50 ◼ ► enough to sway the IT folks to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6470">TS</a>]
01:47:53 ◼ ► trashcan rather than just an imac 5k did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6473">TS</a>]
01:47:56 ◼ ► they do any research on when the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6476">TS</a>]
01:47:58 ◼ ► iPhone comes out be sure be sure to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6478">TS</a>]
01:48:00 ◼ ► them your your geekbench score on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6480">TS</a>]
01:48:02 ◼ ► new iphone 8 is is higher in single core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6482">TS</a>]
01:48:04 ◼ ► than I know I wasn't involved in any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6484">TS</a>]
01:48:08 ◼ ► this you know I they just showed up all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6488">TS</a>]
01:48:10 ◼ ► of a sudden but I thought you two would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6490">TS</a>]
01:48:11 ◼ ► be amused we bought we bought a trash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6491">TS</a>]
01:48:14 ◼ ► can within the last week or two that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6494">TS</a>]
01:48:16 ◼ ► so sad sorry oh I can't I can't take it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6496">TS</a>]
01:48:20 ◼ ► anymore just please Apple please fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6500">TS</a>]
01:48:23 ◼ ► this I mean the last thing that I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6503">TS</a>]
01:48:26 ◼ ► in the entire freaking world is a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6506">TS</a>]
01:48:29 ◼ ► mac pro because I I might as well just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6509">TS</a>]
01:48:31 ◼ ► retire from the show for like a month no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6511">TS</a>]
01:48:33 ◼ ► because that's gonna be nonstop if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6513">TS</a>]
01:48:35 ◼ ► keep not making one we're gonna keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6515">TS</a>]
01:48:36 ◼ ► talking about it if they release a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6516">TS</a>]
01:48:38 ◼ ► one then we'll talk about it for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6518">TS</a>]
01:48:40 ◼ ► two weeks and then you want to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6520">TS</a>]
01:48:42 ◼ ► about it for like a year and a half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6522">TS</a>]
01:48:43 ◼ ► until we start worrying that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6523">TS</a>]
01:48:44 ◼ ► never gonna make another one again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6524">TS</a>]
01:48:45 ◼ ► exactly which will be about four weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6525">TS</a>]
01:48:48 ◼ ► but know what I was going to say was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6528">TS</a>]
01:48:51 ◼ ► i did i do not want to talk about it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6531">TS</a>]
01:48:54 ◼ ► another you know four weeks if they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6534">TS</a>]
01:48:56 ◼ ► finally announce one or god forbid they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6536">TS</a>]
01:48:58 ◼ ► announce one that is called a mac pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6538">TS</a>]
01:49:02 ◼ ► but is in reality just a imac 5k + + the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6542">TS</a>]
01:49:06 ◼ ► last thing I want is for that to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6546">TS</a>]
01:49:07 ◼ ► so I have to hear you to you know go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6547">TS</a>]
01:49:10 ◼ ► and on and about it forever but even I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6550">TS</a>]
01:49:12 ◼ ► am at the point that I might come on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6552">TS</a>]
01:49:14 ◼ ► Apple really really this is still a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6554">TS</a>]
01:49:17 ◼ ► thing come on you're better than this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6557">TS</a>]
01:49:19 ◼ ► thanks for three sponsors this week away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6559">TS</a>]
01:49:23 ◼ ► Squarespace and Pingdom we will see you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6563">TS</a>]
01:49:25 ◼ ► next week now the show is over they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6565">TS</a>]
01:49:31 ◼ ► didn't even mean to begin cuz it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6571">TS</a>]
01:49:34 ◼ ► accidental oh it was accidental John did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6574">TS</a>]
01:49:40 ◼ ► Tony research Marco and Casey wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6580">TS</a>]
01:49:48 ◼ ► accidental but you can find the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6588">TS</a>]
01:49:52 ◼ ► notes at ATP FM and if for into twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6592">TS</a>]
01:49:57 ◼ ► you can follow them at cas eyl ISS so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6597">TS</a>]
01:50:04 ◼ ► that's Casey Liz ma our CEO a RM can t [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6604">TS</a>]
01:50:09 ◼ ► marco arment SI are they see us a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6609">TS</a>]
01:50:22 ◼ ► you know I was speaking of another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6622">TS</a>]
01:50:30 ◼ ► yardstick to seeing how into education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6630">TS</a>]
01:50:33 ◼ ► Apple is not that I'm saying this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6633">TS</a>]
01:50:34 ◼ ► best idea in the world but a thing they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6634">TS</a>]
01:50:36 ◼ ► used to do is these to make special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6636">TS</a>]
01:50:38 ◼ ► computers for education you back there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6638">TS</a>]
01:50:41 ◼ ► were aspect they were designed and SPECT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6641">TS</a>]
01:50:43 ◼ ► in price differently sometimes regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6643">TS</a>]
01:50:45 ◼ ► people couldn't even buy them sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6645">TS</a>]
01:50:47 ◼ ► regular people wouldn't want to buy them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6647">TS</a>]
01:50:51 ◼ ► competing in what has always been a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6651">TS</a>]
01:50:53 ◼ ► price sensitive market they were like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6653">TS</a>]
01:50:59 ◼ ► eventually they learned like none of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6659">TS</a>]
01:51:00 ◼ ► their existing periods especially back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6660">TS</a>]
01:51:01 ◼ ► in the day when every computer the apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6661">TS</a>]
01:51:03 ◼ ► made was better than better and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6663">TS</a>]
01:51:05 ◼ ► expensive than all the other ones they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6665">TS</a>]
01:51:07 ◼ ► made special versions of computers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6667">TS</a>]
01:51:09 ◼ ► special entire computers just for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6669">TS</a>]
01:51:12 ◼ ► education to suit education needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6672">TS</a>]
01:51:15 ◼ ► whatever those may be that showed I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6675">TS</a>]
01:51:18 ◼ ► think a more serious dedication to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6678">TS</a>]
01:51:20 ◼ ► education market again whether that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6680">TS</a>]
01:51:21 ◼ ► the best idea to make me special modders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6681">TS</a>]
01:51:22 ◼ ► but or they should have just changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6682">TS</a>]
01:51:24 ◼ ► that other models they were suitable for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6684">TS</a>]
01:51:25 ◼ ► education or whatever that's farther [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6685">TS</a>]
01:51:28 ◼ ► than today's Apple seems willing to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6688">TS</a>]
01:51:29 ◼ ► and on the flip side I think I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6689">TS</a>]
01:51:32 ◼ ► know if this is in this new york times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6692">TS</a>]
01:51:32 ◼ ► article but I've seen it bounced around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6692">TS</a>]
01:51:34 ◼ ► maybe Gruber talked about it but Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6694">TS</a>]
01:51:36 ◼ ► is doing much better in IT recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6696">TS</a>]
01:51:37 ◼ ► mostly because that I think the the cold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6697">TS</a>]
01:51:42 ◼ ► environments has thought over the past I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6702">TS</a>]
01:51:45 ◼ ► would say decade or so used to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6705">TS</a>]
01:51:47 ◼ ► you're not anything allowed to bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6707">TS</a>]
01:51:49 ◼ ► your Macintosh from home and connected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6709">TS</a>]
01:51:51 ◼ ► to my network because I'm the evil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6711">TS</a>]
01:51:52 ◼ ► corporate IT guy and the whole world's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6712">TS</a>]
01:51:54 ◼ ► gonna end if you do that right to today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6714">TS</a>]
01:51:56 ◼ ► where I think most people joining a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6716">TS</a>]
01:52:00 ◼ ► company have some expectations there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6720">TS</a>]
01:52:02 ◼ ► chance that they will either get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6722">TS</a>]
01:52:05 ◼ ► choose between a mac and a Windows PC or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6725">TS</a>]
01:52:07 ◼ ► just everybody's using Mac's depending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6727">TS</a>]
01:52:09 ◼ ► on the company I mean look at IBM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6729">TS</a>]
01:52:12 ◼ ► they've got thousands of them right who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6732">TS</a>]
01:52:14 ◼ ► would have thunk good right and the max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6734">TS</a>]
01:52:18 ◼ ► environment that's because of efforts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6738">TS</a>]
01:52:19 ◼ ► Apple has made both iOS devices and max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6739">TS</a>]
01:52:23 ◼ ► environments because Apple has changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6743">TS</a>]
01:52:24 ◼ ► their software in ways that enterprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6744">TS</a>]
01:52:26 ◼ ► people wanted to make it more of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6746">TS</a>]
01:52:28 ◼ ► remotely manageable to have it be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6748">TS</a>]
01:52:29 ◼ ► compatible with various protocols it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6749">TS</a>]
01:52:31 ◼ ► been slow and it hasn't been that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6751">TS</a>]
01:52:33 ◼ ► matic but the series of things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6753">TS</a>]
01:52:34 ◼ ► they've done have made max way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6754">TS</a>]
01:52:37 ◼ ► viable and enterprise than they used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6757">TS</a>]
01:52:39 ◼ ► be despite the fact they're still pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6759">TS</a>]
01:52:41 ◼ ► much Enterprise unfriendly in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6761">TS</a>]
01:52:43 ◼ ► like how Dell will service and replace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6763">TS</a>]
01:52:45 ◼ ► your things versus how Apple will do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6765">TS</a>]
01:52:47 ◼ ► and stuff like it like they still have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6767">TS</a>]
01:52:48 ◼ ► long way to go and it's interesting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6768">TS</a>]
01:52:50 ◼ ► they're sort of the same kind of Magnus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6770">TS</a>]
01:52:52 ◼ ► I have harder but the same kind of apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6772">TS</a>]
01:52:54 ◼ ► style approach where we'll make some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6774">TS</a>]
01:52:56 ◼ ► changes in your behalf but we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6776">TS</a>]
01:52:58 ◼ ► going to compromise our core beliefs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6778">TS</a>]
01:52:59 ◼ ► about what a computer should be and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6779">TS</a>]
01:53:00 ◼ ► our business should run and so on and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6780">TS</a>]
01:53:05 ◼ ► enterprise probably because there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6785">TS</a>]
01:53:06 ◼ ► equivalent to Google coming from nowhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6786">TS</a>]
01:53:08 ◼ ► and taking over the enterprise they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6788">TS</a>]
01:53:09 ◼ ► basically just slowly trading market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6789">TS</a>]
01:53:11 ◼ ► share with Microsoft and other Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6791">TS</a>]
01:53:13 ◼ ► PC type things whereas an education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6793">TS</a>]
01:53:16 ◼ ► they've been doing things as well to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6796">TS</a>]
01:53:18 ◼ ► to make their iOS devices and Max better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6798">TS</a>]
01:53:20 ◼ ► for education over the years but their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6800">TS</a>]
01:53:23 ◼ ► their pace of innovation there has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6803">TS</a>]
01:53:25 ◼ ► swamped by Google coming out with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6805">TS</a>]
01:53:28 ◼ ► product that is cheap easy to manage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6808">TS</a>]
01:53:31 ◼ ► people like to use it removes a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6811">TS</a>]
01:53:33 ◼ ► pain points that people have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6813">TS</a>]
01:53:34 ◼ ► experiencing because the Chromebook as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6814">TS</a>]
01:53:36 ◼ ► we discussed before is not just like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6816">TS</a>]
01:53:38 ◼ ► slightly better or cheaper laptop it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6818">TS</a>]
01:53:40 ◼ ► not a netbook right the advantage they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6820">TS</a>]
01:53:43 ◼ ► have is that is a different computing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6823">TS</a>]
01:53:44 ◼ ► paradigm with the you know things on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6824">TS</a>]
01:53:46 ◼ ► web right and that hold that that whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6826">TS</a>]
01:53:49 ◼ ► thing if I've heard them referred to as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6829">TS</a>]
01:53:50 ◼ ► dumb terminals but I think that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6830">TS</a>]
01:53:51 ◼ ► that's a pejorative there they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6831">TS</a>]
01:53:54 ◼ ► dumb and they're not terminals it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6834">TS</a>]
01:53:55 ◼ ► merely a computer using local hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6835">TS</a>]
01:53:58 ◼ ► to run applications and then using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6838">TS</a>]
01:54:01 ◼ ► network for state preservation and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6841">TS</a>]
01:54:04 ◼ ► a great solution and it's easier for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6844">TS</a>]
01:54:07 ◼ ► software and all that other stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6847">TS</a>]
01:54:09 ◼ ► that's that I think is why they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6849">TS</a>]
01:54:11 ◼ ► winning not just because of price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6851">TS</a>]
01:54:13 ◼ ► because they could surely get trashed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6853">TS</a>]
01:54:15 ◼ ► you know Windows PCs for something close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6855">TS</a>]
01:54:17 ◼ ► to that price but a crappy Windows PC is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6857">TS</a>]
01:54:20 ◼ ► not as easy to manage as the fleet of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6860">TS</a>]
01:54:22 ◼ ► Chromebooks all right so I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6862">TS</a>]
01:54:25 ◼ ► know there is no equivalent to that an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6865">TS</a>]
01:54:27 ◼ ► enterprise there is no competitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6867">TS</a>]
01:54:28 ◼ ► enterprise that is making things ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6868">TS</a>]
01:54:31 ◼ ► times easier let's say for enterprise IT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6871">TS</a>]
01:54:33 ◼ ► then Apple or Microsoft or dell or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6873">TS</a>]
01:54:37 ◼ ► whatever whereas there was in education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6877">TS</a>]
01:54:39 ◼ ► so I rather than framing this as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6879">TS</a>]
01:54:41 ◼ ► failing of Apple I think it's more fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6881">TS</a>]
01:54:43 ◼ ► to frame it as a success for google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6883">TS</a>]
01:54:46 ◼ ► give Google credit for finding one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6886">TS</a>]
01:54:48 ◼ ► environment into which it can sell its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6888">TS</a>]
01:54:50 ◼ ► hardware that apparently loves it is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6890">TS</a>]
01:54:53 ◼ ► the consumer realm they just did and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6893">TS</a>]
01:54:54 ◼ ► they just canceled the Chromebook pixels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6894">TS</a>]
01:54:56 ◼ ► that I'm making them yeah yeah yeahs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6896">TS</a>]
01:54:58 ◼ ► consumers not so much but schools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6898">TS</a>]
01:55:00 ◼ ► schools love it and you know kudos to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6900">TS</a>]
01:55:02 ◼ ► Google Apple could have done better yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6902">TS</a>]
01:55:05 ◼ ► buts and so could a Microsoft but bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6905">TS</a>]
01:55:07 ◼ ► line is google made a product that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6907">TS</a>]
01:55:09 ◼ ► education loves John how much did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6909">TS</a>]
01:55:11 ◼ ► say your 1989 Mac was eight grand in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6911">TS</a>]
01:55:14 ◼ ► today's money no no in that money it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6914">TS</a>]
01:55:18 ◼ ► four thousand three hundred dollars plus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6918">TS</a>]
01:55:19 ◼ ► the keyboard so you would need another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6919">TS</a>]
01:55:22 ◼ ► half of a Mac to get a three-door honda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6922">TS</a>]