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209: Making Sausage-Making Glamorous

 

00:00:00   I just feeling out to see whether you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/0">TS</a>]

00:00:01   making a legit mistake or troll in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1">TS</a>]

00:00:05   use trollin I patrolling use myriapods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5">TS</a>]

00:00:10   anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/10">TS</a>]

00:00:11   I thought I am NOT tiff uses the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/11">TS</a>]

00:00:14   than I do now because did you get one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/14">TS</a>]

00:00:17   pair or two pair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/17">TS</a>]

00:00:18   I got one pair which is two airports but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/18">TS</a>]

00:00:22   yes it how you got three air pods yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/22">TS</a>]

00:00:25   how many how many your holes can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/25">TS</a>]

00:00:27   fill with the air pods that are in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/27">TS</a>]

00:00:29   house too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/29">TS</a>]

00:00:31   okay that's what I thought okay so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/31">TS</a>]

00:00:32   have a single-payer like you said yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/32">TS</a>]

00:00:35   and tiff is using the more than you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/35">TS</a>]

00:00:37   yeah she uses them actually often with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/37">TS</a>]

00:00:38   the apple TV like when I'm podcasting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/38">TS</a>]

00:00:40   frequently on gets it isn't as nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/40">TS</a>]

00:00:43   using it with other stuff but it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/43">TS</a>]

00:00:44   work and there's a couple of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/44">TS</a>]

00:00:47   niceties like when you when you when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/47">TS</a>]

00:00:48   use the volume up and down on the apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/48">TS</a>]

00:00:50   TV remote with airports connected it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/50">TS</a>]

00:00:52   does the volume to them instead of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/52">TS</a>]

00:00:53   your speakers so it doesn't do it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/53">TS</a>]

00:00:55   auto pairing thing the way it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/55">TS</a>]

00:00:56   iOS devices but once you have it paired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/56">TS</a>]

00:00:59   it works nicely so how does that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/59">TS</a>]

00:01:01   happening i'm not trying to be funny how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/61">TS</a>]

00:01:02   does that work then do you have to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/62">TS</a>]

00:01:03   go into settings in the apple TV & and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/63">TS</a>]

00:01:05   say connect to the air pods every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/65">TS</a>]

00:01:07   time I forget if we do every single time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/67">TS</a>]

00:01:11   I i think it was the first time I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/71">TS</a>]

00:01:12   usually she just does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/72">TS</a>]

00:01:13   I think once they're paired as long as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/73">TS</a>]

00:01:15   you don't pair them with something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/75">TS</a>]

00:01:17   though right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/77">TS</a>]

00:01:17   that's the issue and and so we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/77">TS</a>]

00:01:19   actually I've actually seen a number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/79">TS</a>]

00:01:21   times i was doing was trying to testing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/81">TS</a>]

00:01:23   between like the phone the TV ipad watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/83">TS</a>]

00:01:27   a mac like you testing all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/87">TS</a>]

00:01:29   different things and I found that it air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/89">TS</a>]

00:01:32   pods are a little bit frustrating in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/92">TS</a>]

00:01:35   trying to share between different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/95">TS</a>]

00:01:37   devices and having a not-quite always do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/97">TS</a>]

00:01:39   what you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/99">TS</a>]

00:01:41   like even though the old way of doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/101">TS</a>]

00:01:43   bluetooth for you have to like one pair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/103">TS</a>]

00:01:45   from 12 fights appeared something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/105">TS</a>]

00:01:46   that's also terrible but the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/106">TS</a>]

00:01:49   airports do it is not quite flawless but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/109">TS</a>]

00:01:52   how do they do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/112">TS</a>]

00:01:53   that's my question because i have used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/113">TS</a>]

00:01:55   my ear pods with my phone in my ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/115">TS</a>]

00:01:57   right those are two two devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/117">TS</a>]

00:01:59   yeah is something supposed to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/119">TS</a>]

00:02:02   other than me going to settings and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/122">TS</a>]

00:02:04   tapping bluetooth and tapping air pods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/124">TS</a>]

00:02:06   because that's what I've been doing my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/126">TS</a>]

00:02:08   favorite thing is occasionally I'll put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/128">TS</a>]

00:02:10   in a single airpot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/130">TS</a>]

00:02:11   and i'll be in like the bedroom and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/131">TS</a>]

00:02:13   listening to a podcast or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/133">TS</a>]

00:02:15   that and then i'll put in like five or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/135">TS</a>]

00:02:18   ten minutes later i'll put in another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/138">TS</a>]

00:02:20   the the other air pod and it will go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/140">TS</a>]

00:02:23   connect and for whatever reason it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/143">TS</a>]

00:02:26   semi consistently connect the iMac which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/146">TS</a>]

00:02:28   is in the next room over the office and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/148">TS</a>]

00:02:30   so I have one Airport connected to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/150">TS</a>]

00:02:33   phone and one connected to my my mac and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/153">TS</a>]

00:02:35   so i'll double tap like the the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/155">TS</a>]

00:02:38   connected the iMac which I still haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/158">TS</a>]

00:02:40   changed to do play pause so I'll here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/160">TS</a>]

00:02:42   Syria of one here and then like whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/162">TS</a>]

00:02:44   podcast was need to out of the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/164">TS</a>]

00:02:46   year it's actually quite funny and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/166">TS</a>]

00:02:49   could see how that would be really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/169">TS</a>]

00:02:50   frustrating to someone who isn't like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/170">TS</a>]

00:02:53   developer perhaps or who doesn't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/173">TS</a>]

00:02:54   about how difficult it is to implement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/174">TS</a>]

00:02:56   all this but to me I just find it to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/176">TS</a>]

00:02:58   hysterical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/178">TS</a>]

00:02:59   yeah I still got some weird audio sync [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/179">TS</a>]

00:03:01   problems sometimes but overall they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/181">TS</a>]

00:03:02   still there still winning just because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/182">TS</a>]

00:03:04   guess my hatred of chords and snags has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/184">TS</a>]

00:03:06   a mandarin house I i find it very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/186">TS</a>]

00:03:09   frustrating that I can't change volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/189">TS</a>]

00:03:10   and I have all these crazy schemes on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/190">TS</a>]

00:03:12   how to adjust the volume by like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/192">TS</a>]

00:03:14   reaching into my pocket and feeling for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/194">TS</a>]

00:03:16   which side of the phone is face up so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/196">TS</a>]

00:03:18   know whether I have to reach the side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/198">TS</a>]

00:03:20   with the power button never order the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/200">TS</a>]

00:03:22   volume thing like little slow down like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/202">TS</a>]

00:03:25   that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/205">TS</a>]

00:03:25   slow down we are you talking pant pocket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/205">TS</a>]

00:03:28   of jacket pocket jacket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/208">TS</a>]

00:03:29   ok then night night than i i i i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/209">TS</a>]

00:03:32   like my winter jacket and you know reach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/212">TS</a>]

00:03:35   around to change they are like what I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/215">TS</a>]

00:03:37   in the kitchen except I don't put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/217">TS</a>]

00:03:38   phone in the kitchen the phone is in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/218">TS</a>]

00:03:39   dining room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/219">TS</a>]

00:03:40   so if i want to change the volume i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/220">TS</a>]

00:03:42   like take a few steps into our room and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/222">TS</a>]

00:03:44   on the little sideboard thing the volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/224">TS</a>]

00:03:47   up or down but i'm living within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/227">TS</a>]

00:03:49   apparently you know personal putting I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/229">TS</a>]

00:03:51   people hate when i said is not correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/231">TS</a>]

00:03:53   but deal with it you know what I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/233">TS</a>]

00:03:54   that i i'm i'm now using them despite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/234">TS</a>]

00:04:00   the fact that double tapping my ear is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/240">TS</a>]

00:04:02   uncomfortable and despite the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/242">TS</a>]

00:04:04   double tapping works weirdly in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/244">TS</a>]

00:04:06   consistently some people have suggested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/246">TS</a>]

00:04:08   the triple tap to try to you know I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/248">TS</a>]

00:04:11   a mulligan in there if one of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/251">TS</a>]

00:04:12   doesn't register [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/252">TS</a>]

00:04:13   sometimes I blame overcast or indoor / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/253">TS</a>]

00:04:16   iOS first taking over cast out of memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/256">TS</a>]

00:04:19   so that it has to launch again before i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/259">TS</a>]

00:04:21   can start playing and I question whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/261">TS</a>]

00:04:23   it it registered my taps and doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/263">TS</a>]

00:04:27   have just haven't started playing yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/267">TS</a>]

00:04:28   sometimes it's so far out of memory that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/268">TS</a>]

00:04:30   it starts playing music despite the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/270">TS</a>]

00:04:32   thing the fact the last thing I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/272">TS</a>]

00:04:33   listening to the podcast very confusing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/273">TS</a>]

00:04:36   but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/276">TS</a>]

00:04:37   all that said i'm still using them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/277">TS</a>]

00:04:39   instead of my wired ones the only place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/279">TS</a>]

00:04:41   i've used my wire was recently was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/281">TS</a>]

00:04:43   watching my ipad in case where my ear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/283">TS</a>]

00:04:47   pods were downstairs and it's like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/287">TS</a>]

00:04:48   i got the wired headphones here and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/288">TS</a>]

00:04:50   not going anywhere i'm just watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/290">TS</a>]

00:04:52   something on my iPad on my bed or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/292">TS</a>]

00:04:53   something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/293">TS</a>]

00:04:54   I'm like the wireless i'm totally sold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/294">TS</a>]

00:04:56   on and as I mentioned earlier like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/296">TS</a>]

00:04:58   love the idea of the airport is just how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/298">TS</a>]

00:05:00   incredibly small and pocketable they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/300">TS</a>]

00:05:02   they don't fit me comfortably and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/302">TS</a>]

00:05:04   don't really work for my life as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/304">TS</a>]

00:05:06   result and so that's why I'm not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/306">TS</a>]

00:05:07   using my tips and more than i am but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/307">TS</a>]

00:05:10   that being said all those limitations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/310">TS</a>]

00:05:12   about what you can and can't easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/312">TS</a>]

00:05:14   control from them like volume and play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/314">TS</a>]

00:05:16   pause being finicky and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/316">TS</a>]

00:05:17   when i switch back to my beloved old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/317">TS</a>]

00:05:22   sennheiser PX 2 10 BTW when it has its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/322">TS</a>]

00:05:25   giant you know that this little like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/325">TS</a>]

00:05:27   know on a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/327">TS</a>]

00:05:28   bluetooth said that I've had for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/328">TS</a>]

00:05:30   couple years now that I walk my dog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/330">TS</a>]

00:05:32   every day with and it just has these big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/332">TS</a>]

00:05:35   plastic buttons on the right earcup and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/335">TS</a>]

00:05:38   I can play pause volume up and down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/338">TS</a>]

00:05:40   seat back seat forward next track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/340">TS</a>]

00:05:42   previous track all with these five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/342">TS</a>]

00:05:43   buttons on the right earcup and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/343">TS</a>]

00:05:46   just so convenient and every time I try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/346">TS</a>]

00:05:48   other headphones for a little while to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/348">TS</a>]

00:05:50   review them or talk about on the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/350">TS</a>]

00:05:52   whatever else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/352">TS</a>]

00:05:53   whenever I go back to my crappy little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/353">TS</a>]

00:05:55   sanitizer bluetooth headphones i am so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/355">TS</a>]

00:05:58   happy with the amount of control and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/358">TS</a>]

00:06:00   comedian that I have them even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/360">TS</a>]

00:06:01   they sound like crap and they're pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/361">TS</a>]

00:06:03   ugly and they are you know still like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/363">TS</a>]

00:06:06   over the head headphones even if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/366">TS</a>]

00:06:08   compact ones so they don't fit in any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/368">TS</a>]

00:06:10   pocket really they'll fit jacket pockets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/370">TS</a>]

00:06:12   but not like a pants pocket and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/372">TS</a>]

00:06:15   just so nice to have those and I it i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/375">TS</a>]

00:06:18   tried now I still haven't done a review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/378">TS</a>]

00:06:20   i keep meaning to maybe do video reviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/380">TS</a>]

00:06:22   and I keep putting it off because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/382">TS</a>]

00:06:23   turns out videos a lot of work but uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/383">TS</a>]

00:06:25   I've tried now many high-end bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/385">TS</a>]

00:06:30   headphones including the air pods but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/390">TS</a>]

00:06:32   also including like all like the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/392">TS</a>]

00:06:34   former dollar crazy ones from like piano [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/394">TS</a>]

00:06:36   and BMW and bows all these other I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/396">TS</a>]

00:06:39   headphone companies and the convenience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/399">TS</a>]

00:06:42   of my relatively cheap bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/402">TS</a>]

00:06:45   headphones just have big plastic buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/405">TS</a>]

00:06:46   on the side cannot be like it is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/406">TS</a>]

00:06:49   so convenient for everyday use that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/409">TS</a>]

00:06:52   why i use them for podcast like and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/412">TS</a>]

00:06:53   would never recommend them for music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/413">TS</a>]

00:06:54   because they sound like they sound like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/414">TS</a>]

00:06:56   trash that they just have the worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/416">TS</a>]

00:06:58   sound music ever before podcasts totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/418">TS</a>]

00:07:00   fine and 80 man it's just so nice having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/420">TS</a>]

00:07:03   those physical controls right in the eye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/423">TS</a>]

00:07:05   can operate with gloves on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/425">TS</a>]

00:07:07   i don't use any voice assistance they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/427">TS</a>]

00:07:08   work every single time like it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/428">TS</a>]

00:07:10   reliable physical controls and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/430">TS</a>]

00:07:13   not sexy and they're not cool but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/433">TS</a>]

00:07:15   work and it's really hard to beat that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/435">TS</a>]

00:07:17   for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/437">TS</a>]

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00:07:20   could like I don't know strapped to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/440">TS</a>]

00:07:22   body somehow that would give you all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/442">TS</a>]

00:07:25   those physical controls and also let you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/445">TS</a>]

00:07:27   like get a text message and also let you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/447">TS</a>]

00:07:29   reply to a text message and also let you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/449">TS</a>]

00:07:32   get other notifications would not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/452">TS</a>]

00:07:33   awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/453">TS</a>]

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00:07:36   that it works every time that your cum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/456">TS</a>]

00:07:38   buttons work everytime not eighty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/458">TS</a>]

00:07:40   percent of the time and I can use them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/460">TS</a>]

00:07:42   with gloves on and yeah speaking of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/462">TS</a>]

00:07:44   i keep forgetting to try that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/464">TS</a>]

00:07:46   suggested so long ago and still hasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/466">TS</a>]

00:07:48   occurred to me to try to give that a try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/468">TS</a>]

00:07:49   by really trying to watch using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/469">TS</a>]

00:07:51   watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/471">TS</a>]

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00:07:54   having a physical volume control is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/474">TS</a>]

00:07:55   easier than reaching into my pocket and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/475">TS</a>]

00:07:57   and finding my phone's volume button and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/477">TS</a>]

00:07:59   stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/479">TS</a>]

00:08:00   truth be told finding the volume button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/480">TS</a>]

00:08:02   is probably easier but it did this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/482">TS</a>]

00:08:05   solvable problem it's just that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/485">TS</a>]

00:08:07   don't want to solve it you don't want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/487">TS</a>]

00:08:08   to be solved the way it has been solved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/488">TS</a>]

00:08:10   sounds like me in cars let's do so was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/490">TS</a>]

00:08:12   actually a solution i already have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/492">TS</a>]

00:08:14   was really cheap a few years ago and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/494">TS</a>]

00:08:16   works perfectly every time and and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/496">TS</a>]

00:08:19   the newfangled solution is both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/499">TS</a>]

00:08:22   something like four times the price and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/502">TS</a>]

00:08:25   worse so know that this actually is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/505">TS</a>]

00:08:27   case for the old solution was totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/507">TS</a>]

00:08:30   fine and the good thing is like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/510">TS</a>]

00:08:32   this is one of the areas were like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/512">TS</a>]

00:08:34   know as you Casey have been an advocate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/514">TS</a>]

00:08:35   for so long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/515">TS</a>]

00:08:37   cheap bluetooth headphones are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/517">TS</a>]

00:08:39   plentiful these days tons of people make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/519">TS</a>]

00:08:41   cheap bluetooth headphones and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/521">TS</a>]

00:08:43   largely pretty decent they're not good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/523">TS</a>]

00:08:45   but they're decent and and for their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/525">TS</a>]

00:08:48   price they're usually fairly reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/528">TS</a>]

00:08:50   and these headphones were at the time i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/530">TS</a>]

00:08:54   bought them kind of expensive at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/534">TS</a>]

00:08:56   something like a hundred dollars are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/536">TS</a>]

00:08:57   hundred and ten dollars they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/537">TS</a>]

00:08:59   worth more than that if you see them for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/539">TS</a>]

00:09:00   sainthood two people more than that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/540">TS</a>]

00:09:02   there anymore that really these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/542">TS</a>]

00:09:05   however that you know these are there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/545">TS</a>]

00:09:06   doesn't like a five-year-old pair of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/546">TS</a>]

00:09:07   headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/547">TS</a>]

00:09:08   this is one of the areas where like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/548">TS</a>]

00:09:09   higher-end headphones the higher-end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/549">TS</a>]

00:09:11   wireless headphones are nicer in certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/551">TS</a>]

00:09:14   ways they are possibly more portable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/554">TS</a>]

00:09:16   like air pods they are better sounding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/556">TS</a>]

00:09:19   like some of the high-end ones from like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/559">TS</a>]

00:09:20   piano and stuff they are you know better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/560">TS</a>]

00:09:23   noise cancellation and maybe more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/563">TS</a>]

00:09:24   comfortable with their larger on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/564">TS</a>]

00:09:26   things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/566">TS</a>]

00:09:27   however for practicality of just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/567">TS</a>]

00:09:29   Wireless wearing them while walking or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/569">TS</a>]

00:09:32   running or around the house doing stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/572">TS</a>]

00:09:34   like John cooking the cheap ones with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/574">TS</a>]

00:09:37   plastic buttons on them are actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/577">TS</a>]

00:09:38   better for almost all purposes for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/578">TS</a>]

00:09:41   kind of use than the high-end expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/581">TS</a>]

00:09:43   ones i'm mostly agree with you if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/583">TS</a>]

00:09:46   ever need to flip between it devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/586">TS</a>]

00:09:49   then the air pods or anything really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/589">TS</a>]

00:09:52   with the w1 chip start to make a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/592">TS</a>]

00:09:54   more sense but in if you are consistent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/594">TS</a>]

00:09:57   with one machine for example my $25 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/597">TS</a>]

00:10:00   bluetooth headphones i bought literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/600">TS</a>]

00:10:01   five years ago I believe that are still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/601">TS</a>]

00:10:03   kicking I just don't use them because my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/603">TS</a>]

00:10:05   ear pods I only ever use those with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/605">TS</a>]

00:10:07   work my work computer and it was great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/607">TS</a>]

00:10:10   you'll see that's the sound was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/610">TS</a>]

00:10:11   acceptable and they had buttons on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/611">TS</a>]

00:10:15   side if I really needed him although i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/615">TS</a>]

00:10:16   did you know keyboard right in front of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/616">TS</a>]

00:10:17   me but anyway yeah there they work just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/617">TS</a>]

00:10:20   fine and I do agree with you you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/620">TS</a>]

00:10:22   i freaking love my ear pods but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/622">TS</a>]

00:10:25   nonetheless if you don't feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/625">TS</a>]

00:10:27   spending on sixty dollars on a set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/627">TS</a>]

00:10:29   little earbuds you can easily spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/629">TS</a>]

00:10:31   between 20 and a hundred and get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/631">TS</a>]

00:10:33   something that's nearly as good as long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/633">TS</a>]

00:10:35   as you're not switching between devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/635">TS</a>]

00:10:37   frequently as long as you don't mind a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/637">TS</a>]

00:10:39   giant thing like I would never trade my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/639">TS</a>]

00:10:41   ear pods I would ever go back to Wired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/641">TS</a>]

00:10:43   earbuds before I would go to a big thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/643">TS</a>]

00:10:45   that goes over my head with a big band [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/645">TS</a>]

00:10:46   and put stupid squishy circles on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/646">TS</a>]

00:10:48   ears like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/648">TS</a>]

00:10:49   humph i want the buds that's what i want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/649">TS</a>]

00:10:51   and so wired or wireless those are my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/651">TS</a>]

00:10:53   choices and then a distant third would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/653">TS</a>]

00:10:55   be okay if I can't have any kind of year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/655">TS</a>]

00:10:57   but then I guess I'll going over your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/657">TS</a>]

00:10:58   thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/658">TS</a>]

00:10:59   enough all right let's a start the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/659">TS</a>]

00:11:02   to send a follow up John wanted to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/662">TS</a>]

00:11:07   me about a phone contracts and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/667">TS</a>]

00:11:09   ways that you can make people buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/669">TS</a>]

00:11:11   iphones if this is much more interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/671">TS</a>]

00:11:13   thanks know the last week we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/673">TS</a>]

00:11:16   about the different tractors that make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/676">TS</a>]

00:11:17   people feel like they need to get a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/677">TS</a>]

00:11:20   device on a run faster schedule than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/680">TS</a>]

00:11:23   people apparently and/or supposedly get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/683">TS</a>]

00:11:25   new ipads and I was bringing up the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/685">TS</a>]

00:11:28   that phones get dropped and break more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/688">TS</a>]

00:11:30   often than iPads just by their nature so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/690">TS</a>]

00:11:33   that could be one thing that will make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/693">TS</a>]

00:11:34   people turn them over a couple people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/694">TS</a>]

00:11:36   wrote in to bring up the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/696">TS</a>]

00:11:39   contracts which are less prevalent now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/699">TS</a>]

00:11:41   than they used to be in the u.s. it used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/701">TS</a>]

00:11:44   to be that the phone was like oh it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/704">TS</a>]

00:11:45   you know $200 this phone on a two-year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/705">TS</a>]

00:11:48   contract with all blonde it was just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/708">TS</a>]

00:11:50   typical money hiding schemes where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/710">TS</a>]

00:11:52   know human nature makes you not see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/712">TS</a>]

00:11:54   upfront costs and you read don't do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/714">TS</a>]

00:11:56   multiplication your head so it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/716">TS</a>]

00:11:58   like a cheaper deal these days it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/718">TS</a>]

00:12:00   to me that someone who does not buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/720">TS</a>]

00:12:02   new phone that often that the shift is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/722">TS</a>]

00:12:04   more towards you bought a new phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/724">TS</a>]

00:12:05   exactly once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/725">TS</a>]

00:12:07   yeah well now that you know I've i M i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/727">TS</a>]

00:12:10   suppose the I brought my tracfone so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/730">TS</a>]

00:12:12   that I that the movies away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/732">TS</a>]

00:12:16   contracts and more towards buying them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/736">TS</a>]

00:12:18   up front unlocked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/738">TS</a>]

00:12:20   I don't know if that's a just an iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/740">TS</a>]

00:12:22   thing or just my personal experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/742">TS</a>]

00:12:24   thing but either way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/744">TS</a>]

00:12:25   historically that has been a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/745">TS</a>]

00:12:27   motivator to get people to buy a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/747">TS</a>]

00:12:28   phone every few years because it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/748">TS</a>]

00:12:30   like a good deal because they hide all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/750">TS</a>]

00:12:32   the costs from you in a way that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/752">TS</a>]

00:12:33   your your silly fallible brain feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/753">TS</a>]

00:12:37   you're not spending the money that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/757">TS</a>]

00:12:38   are spending anyone else here for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/758">TS</a>]

00:12:40   moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/760">TS</a>]

00:12:41   am I supposed to be paying less on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/761">TS</a>]

00:12:44   cell phone bill now that I by my phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/764">TS</a>]

00:12:45   that right because I'm not know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/765">TS</a>]

00:12:48   shouldn't be but that such as well it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/768">TS</a>]

00:12:51   depends on how bad of a deal you got but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/771">TS</a>]

00:12:53   the strange thing about the deals now is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/773">TS</a>]

00:12:55   that they psychologically see more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/775">TS</a>]

00:12:58   expensive know like mine just is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/778">TS</a>]

00:13:00   expensive like like so i have AT&T [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/780">TS</a>]

00:13:02   and I started by my phones outright not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/782">TS</a>]

00:13:05   taking their subsidies anymore and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/785">TS</a>]

00:13:07   plans are also the same prices and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/787">TS</a>]

00:13:09   like I'm not I'm just spending more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/789">TS</a>]

00:13:11   money now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/791">TS</a>]

00:13:12   no you should be spending you should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/792">TS</a>]

00:13:14   spending a little bit less i'm logging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/794">TS</a>]

00:13:15   into the AT&T right now but what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/795">TS</a>]

00:13:17   is the plans cost the same however they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/797">TS</a>]

00:13:23   give you a very peculiar Lee peculiar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/803">TS</a>]

00:13:27   named discount once you're no longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/807">TS</a>]

00:13:30   subsidizing a phone and it's gonna take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/810">TS</a>]

00:13:32   me like three hours to figure out where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/812">TS</a>]

00:13:34   in my bill this is listed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/814">TS</a>]

00:13:36   yeah they did that I remember hearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/816">TS</a>]

00:13:37   the same thing from my wife who wrangles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/817">TS</a>]

00:13:40   the the phone contracts that sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/820">TS</a>]

00:13:42   you have to call them to remind them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/822">TS</a>]

00:13:44   give you the better deal once you're off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/824">TS</a>]

00:13:46   contract and that deal gets discount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/826">TS</a>]

00:13:48   discount for access which is on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/828">TS</a>]

00:13:51   mainline $25 off your total cost but a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/831">TS</a>]

00:13:54   great because discount for access hole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/834">TS</a>]

00:13:56   actually it's on both lines it's $25 off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/836">TS</a>]

00:13:59   because when I think discount for access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/839">TS</a>]

00:14:01   I think this is offsetting the subsidy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/841">TS</a>]

00:14:03   cost don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/843">TS</a>]

00:14:05   that's fantastic yeah whatever it is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/845">TS</a>]

00:14:08   interesting change that they're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/848">TS</a>]

00:14:10   brave enough to reveal the price in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/850">TS</a>]

00:14:13   way that will register with consumers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/853">TS</a>]

00:14:15   brains in the way that you know is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/855">TS</a>]

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00:21:28   this rumor did not mentioning anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1288">TS</a>]

00:21:30   about the mac being but it all boils [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1290">TS</a>]

00:21:32   down to the piece of hardware being more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:37   robust in the face of user indifference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1297">TS</a>]

00:21:40   and my god how to phrase it like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:43   don't have to know how to you can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:46   can know less about using a personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1306">TS</a>]

00:21:48   computer and be successful within the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:50   same way that you don't need to know as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:51   much about personal computing to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1311">TS</a>]

00:21:52   successful with an iPad or an iPhone as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:54   opposed to a macbook so Chromebooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1314">TS</a>]

00:21:56   there are far fewer places where you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1316">TS</a>]

00:21:58   get into trouble software installing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1318">TS</a>]

00:22:00   software is more straightforward the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1320">TS</a>]

00:22:02   number of things you can do to it mess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:04   it up as much lower the overall system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1324">TS</a>]

00:22:06   is simpler obviously Chromebook and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1326">TS</a>]

00:22:08   chrome OS are far cry from the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1328">TS</a>]

00:22:11   operating system with a heavy focus on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:13   doing stuff with web technologies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:15   through a browser with many things being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1335">TS</a>]

00:22:18   put into the cloud and i think thats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1338">TS</a>]

00:22:19   implication in fact is a big advantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1339">TS</a>]

00:22:21   Chromebooks have over any of apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1341">TS</a>]

00:22:23   devices the aggressively count cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1343">TS</a>]

00:22:27   centric focus that this thing you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1347">TS</a>]

00:22:29   holding your hand is nothing everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:31   you do if you have access to the network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:33   is saves than at work aggressively so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:37   that pretty much at any point when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1357">TS</a>]

00:22:38   you're working on a Chromebook you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1358">TS</a>]

00:22:40   do a five-count and throw the thing out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1360">TS</a>]

00:22:42   the window into a lake and then go get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:44   another Chromebook back room and sign-in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1364">TS</a>]

00:22:46   and resume where you left off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:48   you cannot do that with any Apple device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:49   right that's the dream of the Chromebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:51   I've always thought it was a brilliant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:52   idea perhaps not very well executed but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1372">TS</a>]

00:22:55   every time we talk about ipads or max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:58   especially as they relate to education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1378">TS</a>]

00:23:00   people come out of the woodwork to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:02   us how Chromebooks are kicking apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1382">TS</a>]

00:23:04   but in education because what a dream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1384">TS</a>]

00:23:07   machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1387">TS</a>]

00:23:07   you educational institutions do not want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1387">TS</a>]

00:23:09   to deal with wrangling computers or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1389">TS</a>]

00:23:12   software anything like that you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:14   bunch of computers that you're gonna put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1394">TS</a>]

00:23:15   a bunch of students in front of that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1395">TS</a>]

00:23:17   just you know that they're gonna do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1397">TS</a>]

00:23:19   everything they can to mess things up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1399">TS</a>]

00:23:21   and even if they don't the computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:23   like eventually we'll mess themselves up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1403">TS</a>]

00:23:25   especially if there are you know if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1405">TS</a>]

00:23:27   windows and we're in a decade ago I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1407">TS</a>]

00:23:29   assume it's better now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1409">TS</a>]

00:23:30   Chromebooks are very results are iPads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1410">TS</a>]

00:23:32   for that matter but Chromebooks even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1412">TS</a>]

00:23:34   more so in that they they are resistant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:37   to slowly degrading and or being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1417">TS</a>]

00:23:40   compromised by devious students and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:43   there's lots of good tools for managing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1423">TS</a>]

00:23:46   fleets of these things that were having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1426">TS</a>]

00:23:47   multiple students signed into them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1427">TS</a>]

00:23:49   apples made some strides here with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1429">TS</a>]

00:23:51   weird multi-user sign in and out sync [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1431">TS</a>]

00:23:53   everything from iCloud things they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1433">TS</a>]

00:23:55   been doing with the ipad lately but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1435">TS</a>]

00:23:56   Chromebooks almost always been on price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1436">TS</a>]

00:24:00   you can get cheap crappy ones and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1440">TS</a>]

00:24:01   know cash-strapped school of that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1441">TS</a>]

00:24:04   they're doing very well in management i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1444">TS</a>]

00:24:06   always wonder if Apple cares that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1446">TS</a>]

00:24:09   about that market or did they just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1449">TS</a>]

00:24:11   the rest of the many markets that isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1451">TS</a>]

00:24:12   too high into that market they just want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1452">TS</a>]

00:24:13   to sell ipads to the rich schools and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1453">TS</a>]

00:24:15   let everyone else have chrome books or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1455">TS</a>]

00:24:16   something but I worry that the value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1456">TS</a>]

00:24:21   proposition represented by Chromebooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:23   in the ideal if not in in actuality is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1463">TS</a>]

00:24:26   not falling on deaf ears at Apple but is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:30   not valued by the people inside Apple as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:32   much as it should be because talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1472">TS</a>]

00:24:34   future of computing many of the aspects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1474">TS</a>]

00:24:36   promised by Chromebooks and many of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1476">TS</a>]

00:24:39   delivered by Chromebooks definitely feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1479">TS</a>]

00:24:41   more like the future of computing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:43   terms of having to worry less about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1483">TS</a>]

00:24:45   managing the Machine and having to worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1485">TS</a>]

00:24:48   less about the machine itself because in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1488">TS</a>]

00:24:50   in a network connected world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:52   yes you can work offline but it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1492">TS</a>]

00:24:54   great if the source of truth with some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1494">TS</a>]

00:24:56   place fast and reliable that is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1496">TS</a>]

00:24:57   sitting in front of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1497">TS</a>]

00:24:59   well this is part of what last last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1499">TS</a>]

00:25:01   we were talking about that that rumored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:03   slashdot comment lockdown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:05   next-generation our mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1505">TS</a>]

00:25:07   even though again disclaim already that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:10   was very unlikely to be true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:12   however one thing I forgot to mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:13   during my rant about how good that might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:16   be is that that might address the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:18   Chromebook market pretty well to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1518">TS</a>]

00:25:20   that wouldn't have to be a high-end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:22   hardware device that could run on ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:25   class hardware and be passable and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:28   they they could if Apple wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1528">TS</a>]

00:25:31   address this market which you as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1531">TS</a>]

00:25:32   pointed out they might not want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1532">TS</a>]

00:25:34   although i think it's aight i'm with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:36   i think they they should address it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:39   they reasonably can which is not save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1539">TS</a>]

00:25:42   definitely yes or no but I think if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:43   if they reasonably can address that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1543">TS</a>]

00:25:45   think they should because having mass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1545">TS</a>]

00:25:48   numbers of students growing up using all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1548">TS</a>]

00:25:51   google services on all google computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:53   is probably not good for Apple long-term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1553">TS</a>]

00:25:55   but that being said if Apple could take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1555">TS</a>]

00:25:58   that kind of next-gen mac on arm concept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1558">TS</a>]

00:26:01   and make a very low and hardware device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1561">TS</a>]

00:26:04   that was basically like you know mid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:06   generation ipad level hardware like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:08   suppose that is two years away they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1568">TS</a>]

00:26:10   could take two days like ipad air 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1570">TS</a>]

00:26:12   hardware sell it in two years in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:15   little like you know macbook one size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:17   case for 400 bucks maybe I mean like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:21   that could actually get them get them a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1581">TS</a>]

00:26:24   lot of the way there and that and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:26   and that OS is additional lockdown miss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:29   and easy management an easy secured and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1589">TS</a>]

00:26:31   everything would all help in that regard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1591">TS</a>]

00:26:33   to so i think that one that one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1593">TS</a>]

00:26:36   things that that made me consider that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1596">TS</a>]

00:26:38   that comment as possibly interesting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1598">TS</a>]

00:26:41   possibly plausible is that Apple has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:45   be feeling there they have to be feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1605">TS</a>]

00:26:49   like to hurt a little bit from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:51   massive success of Chromebooks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:52   schools they have to be feeling that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1612">TS</a>]

00:26:54   some level whether they choose your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1614">TS</a>]

00:26:55   dress yet is another question but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:57   think if they're going to address it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1617">TS</a>]

00:26:58   that hypothetical lockdown are Mac would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1618">TS</a>]

00:27:01   be a really nice way to address it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:03   because obviously they can try pushing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:05   iPads they have as much as they want and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1625">TS</a>]

00:27:07   they have gotten decent numbers of ipads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1627">TS</a>]

00:27:09   sold into schools but there's a reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:11   why those Chromebooks keep selling so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:13   well and and a big reason is price no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:14   question and it's you know again it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:17   question whether Apple is is willing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1637">TS</a>]

00:27:19   or should compete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1639">TS</a>]

00:27:21   on price to that level but also a big a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:23   big reason for that is that a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:26   schools and students do prefer working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:29   on some kind of laptop shaped device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1649">TS</a>]

00:27:31   with a laptop keyboard instead like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:34   yes you can put keyboards and iPads but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:37   we all know from trying that like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1657">TS</a>]

00:27:39   not really what they're great at that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:40   not really but they're designed for and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1660">TS</a>]

00:27:42   if you're trying to manage a fleet of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:44   student devices the last thing you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:46   is detachable expensive accessories you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:49   know you wanted to be one integrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1669">TS</a>]

00:27:50   unit you can manage the one in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:51   ground unit so that actually might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:55   part of their strategy to combat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1675">TS</a>]

00:27:56   Chromebooks long-term and if it isn't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1676">TS</a>]

00:27:58   think it might be worth considering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1678">TS</a>]

00:27:59   whether it should so this is yet another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1679">TS</a>]

00:28:02   time we have to bring up that one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:04   big advantages google has in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:05   management is the fact they do do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1685">TS</a>]

00:28:07   everything server side and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1687">TS</a>]

00:28:08   google strength and historically has not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:10   been Apple strength to have a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1690">TS</a>]

00:28:12   robust cloud services with the source of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:16   truth is in the cloud not on the device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:18   in the same way you know it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1698">TS</a>]

00:28:21   necessarily have to be web-based tools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1701">TS</a>]

00:28:22   like Google Docs up which by the way is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:25   an extensive use in schools i'm using it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1705">TS</a>]

00:28:29   work now too and we mentioned before we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:32   use it for our show notes it's it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1712">TS</a>]

00:28:35   point where like I'm waiting for it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:39   unseat microsoft word the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:40   corporate world i know that's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:41   take so freaking long but o among [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1721">TS</a>]

00:28:44   certain wings of large corporations it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:46   is possible to do this place word and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1726">TS</a>]

00:28:48   everybody is happier and seeing my kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1728">TS</a>]

00:28:49   do everything google access like Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1729">TS</a>]

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00:29:51   IT much more hostile than an individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1791">TS</a>]

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00:30:43   mobility of strength problems people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1843">TS</a>]

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00:31:02   hand strengthen the average adult has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1862">TS</a>]

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00:31:11   nice device for people who have mobility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1871">TS</a>]

00:31:13   problems with their hands know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:15   you've made is an amazing can opener so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1875">TS</a>]

00:31:17   if you make a laptop that can survive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:20   and continue functioning and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:22   manageable by teachers and students in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:24   public school environment you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1884">TS</a>]

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00:31:29   house who's going to you know treat it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1889">TS</a>]

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00:31:33   articles about and all that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1893">TS</a>]

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00:31:41   just a better product all around so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:43   would never want to see Apple surrender [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1903">TS</a>]

00:31:46   this market if all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1906">TS</a>]

00:31:47   because it acts as a crucible for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:49   testing the the the durability of every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:54   part of your product from the harbor to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1914">TS</a>]

00:31:55   the software to the management the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:57   nine yards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1917">TS</a>]

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00:32:07   the target is obviously linux I chose to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1927">TS</a>]

00:32:09   go case sensitive to avoid trouble as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:12   much as possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1932">TS</a>]

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00:32:15   file system in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:17   given how long OS 10 hfs+ being have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1937">TS</a>]

00:32:21   been around i expected that most modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:24   software would run on either set up but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:26   now have learned that both steam and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1946">TS</a>]

00:32:29   adobe creative suite will not run on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:31   machine unless every 4matic loops i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1951">TS</a>]

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00:32:37   blame for this mess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:38   John as our file system expert humans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1958">TS</a>]

00:32:41   are to blame as always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1961">TS</a>]

00:32:43   so yeah the case sensitive vs instance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:45   of HFS plus + hrs before it and MF s I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:49   believe we're all case-insensitive made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1969">TS</a>]

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00:32:56   filenames different only in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1976">TS</a>]

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00:32:58   of unicode normalization rules revolving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1978">TS</a>]

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00:33:10   directory called my file all lowercase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1990">TS</a>]

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00:33:14   distinguish between those which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/1994">TS</a>]

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00:33:21   don't consider those different things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2001">TS</a>]

00:33:23   like find me the file name Jerry no not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2003">TS</a>]

00:33:27   the one with the lowercase J the moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:28   the capital j being able to not having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2008">TS</a>]

00:33:32   files a different in case because people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:34   will type the wrong file names into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2014">TS</a>]

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00:33:37   interface thing but they implanted down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2017">TS</a>]

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00:34:00   or something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2040">TS</a>]

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00:34:08   important reason that case insensitivity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:10   the historic multi-decade case in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2050">TS</a>]

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00:36:00   do not match the case of the files on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2160">TS</a>]

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00:36:05   on a case-insensitive file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2165">TS</a>]

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00:36:14   system is actually lower case your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2174">TS</a>]

00:36:16   program works fine because it says open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:17   be filed by comp with the capital after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:19   this as I here i found it opens lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:21   case file that comes and you're good to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2181">TS</a>]

00:36:22   go because that's how the api's work you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2182">TS</a>]

00:36:25   try to run that ok sensitive file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2185">TS</a>]

00:36:27   and the wheels fall off the wagon all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2187">TS</a>]

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00:36:31   even start up you know you're using it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:33   does weird stuff in it doesn't function [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:34   correctly and steam which isn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:38   that long on the mac platform i guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2198">TS</a>]

00:36:39   it's been a few years now but adobe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:41   creative suite has deep roots lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:43   complicated software inevitably has some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:46   part that either assumes case in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:48   sensitivity as like a foundational [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:51   assumptions of some section of the code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2211">TS</a>]

00:36:52   or accidentally assumes case in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:54   sensitivity by looking up files based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2214">TS</a>]

00:36:57   paths that don't match the actual case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2217">TS</a>]

00:36:58   of the files on disk or you know very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:01   more complicated variations of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:02   we're one part of the thing will write a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:04   file the other thing will read it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:06   they won't agree on the case and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:07   just there are so many places where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:09   things go wrong and this is where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:10   conventional wisdom goes that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2230">TS</a>]

00:37:11   format your mac as case-sensitive be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2231">TS</a>]

00:37:14   prepared for a whole bunch of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2234">TS</a>]

00:37:15   software not to work and for your only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:17   alternative to be to reformat is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2237">TS</a>]

00:37:19   case-insensitive get stopped working you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:20   might say well why doesn't everyone just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:22   fix their software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:23   well it's a chicken egg thing we need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2243">TS</a>]

00:37:24   fix this offer because nobody runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2244">TS</a>]

00:37:26   case-sensitive hfs+ on their macs and no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2246">TS</a>]

00:37:29   one's HFS case-sensitive a transponder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2249">TS</a>]

00:37:31   max because now the software works and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2251">TS</a>]

00:37:33   so they're an impasse their iOS devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2253">TS</a>]

00:37:36   that make a sensitive from day one which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2256">TS</a>]

00:37:37   is a wise choice so there's there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:39   not a bunch of iOS developers out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:41   writing applications that expect to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:43   files with past them at the case could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:44   guess what they wouldn't work so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2264">TS</a>]

00:37:46   great but with a PFS i'm not even sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2266">TS</a>]

00:37:50   what they're gonna end up doing on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:51   mat because the apms is not officially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:53   released on the maggots only on iOS but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:56   it one way to solve the chicken egg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2276">TS</a>]

00:37:58   thing and say hey guess what a PFS is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2278">TS</a>]

00:37:59   case-sensitive only I can't imagine them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2279">TS</a>]

00:38:01   doing that because as we can see adobe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:03   creative suite and steam wouldn't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:05   as an obscure applications so yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:09   sorry bad news you probably have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2289">TS</a>]

00:38:11   reformat your disk as case insensitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:13   to get your software to work again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2293">TS</a>]

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00:38:18   it yeah you know by the way is marco was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2298">TS</a>]

00:38:23   like this marker happening mac apps do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:24   that it's like it's a good thing if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:26   write it at an application or any kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2306">TS</a>]

00:38:28   of song for the mac to find out do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2308">TS</a>]

00:38:30   have these kind of problems in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2310">TS</a>]

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00:38:34   you'll be surprised they're lurking i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2314">TS</a>]

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00:38:40   it from a case-insensitive file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2320">TS</a>]

00:38:42   is probably in that tiny little piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2322">TS</a>]

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00:39:14   really work that you hold the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:16   upside down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2356">TS</a>]

00:39:16   I've actually done that and this just is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2356">TS</a>]

00:39:19   not a very good system for today we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2359">TS</a>]

00:39:20   so many Wi-Fi devices that depend on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:23   solid connection in our homes you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:25   it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2365">TS</a>]

00:39:25   what year is this we should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2365">TS</a>]

00:39:26   reliable Wi-Fi in our entire houses an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2366">TS</a>]

00:39:29   ear let us do that by having multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:31   access points work together from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2371">TS</a>]

00:39:33   different points in the house to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:34   blanket your entire place in solid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2374">TS</a>]

00:39:37   strong fast Wi-Fi coverage the way to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:40   this so they sell the little 0 units [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2380">TS</a>]

00:39:42   that they're kinda size of an apple tv's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2382">TS</a>]

00:39:44   little nicely designed little things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:46   you plug one of them in the same we plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:48   in any other Wi-Fi router you plug it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2388">TS</a>]

00:39:49   into your internet connection so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:51   know where that is and then you can plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2391">TS</a>]

00:39:52   the other ones in anywhere else in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2392">TS</a>]

00:39:54   house and they talk to each other over a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:56   separate mesh network they make and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2396">TS</a>]

00:39:58   they blanket your home in pure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:00   high-speed Wi-Fi from each one and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2400">TS</a>]

00:40:02   all work together to form one giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2402">TS</a>]

00:40:04   network its way faster than traditional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2404">TS</a>]

00:40:06   repeaters or anything like that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2406">TS</a>]

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00:40:11   out the reviews you will see for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2411">TS</a>]

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00:40:15   we try to map we've had similarly great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2415">TS</a>]

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00:40:20   so easy to set up with their app and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2420">TS</a>]

00:40:21   they have tons of great features they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:23   have things like parental controls and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:25   all sorts of new features being added in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:27   very very easy-to-use app all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:30   they've added so many features already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:31   been sold out for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2431">TS</a>]

00:40:32   a year so many had so many features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2432">TS</a>]

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00:40:35   currently 4.4 stars and Amazon with over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:38   750 reviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2438">TS</a>]

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00:40:42   there's a return period if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2442">TS</a>]

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00:41:07   your birthday was actually what a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2467">TS</a>]

00:41:10   and a half ago but the gods have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:13   delivered you the ultimate birthday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:15   present [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2475">TS</a>]

00:41:17   sort of what's uh what's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2477">TS</a>]

00:41:20   Kickstarter these days John my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:23   twitter client has been from the moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2483">TS</a>]

00:41:27   i started using twitter twitter epic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:29   which I think was the very first twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2489">TS</a>]

00:41:31   client [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2491">TS</a>]

00:41:32   certainly it was the first thing I ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2492">TS</a>]

00:41:34   used Twitter with I did not sign up for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2494">TS</a>]

00:41:36   twitter based on their terrible website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:37   I only signed up for it once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2497">TS</a>]

00:41:39   twitterrific without my car out this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:41   this is a good thing to do you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2501">TS</a>]

00:41:43   it wasn't like truly the first app that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2503">TS</a>]

00:41:44   uses twitter api it was at least the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:46   first app that anyone ever used that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:48   uses twitter api and it was by far the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2508">TS</a>]

00:41:51   first app that mattered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2511">TS</a>]

00:41:52   yeah and so it was an iOS app and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2512">TS</a>]

00:41:55   was a but before that there was a mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2515">TS</a>]

00:41:57   app i think the backup came first anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2517">TS</a>]

00:41:59   yeah so Twitter clients have had a bumpy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2519">TS</a>]

00:42:03   road a couple years back Twitter decided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2523">TS</a>]

00:42:05   that didn't really want third parties to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2525">TS</a>]

00:42:06   make apps and it started this whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:08   thing where you can only make apps if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2528">TS</a>]

00:42:09   you have these special tokens and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2529">TS</a>]

00:42:11   limited number of those the song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2531">TS</a>]

00:42:12   absolute grandfathered in and by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:14   a bunch of new features are rolling out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2534">TS</a>]

00:42:15   can't be used by third-party clients you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2535">TS</a>]

00:42:17   really don't like you third-party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2537">TS</a>]

00:42:18   clients and it's made the market for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:21   twitter apps very difficult for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:22   third-party towards very difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2542">TS</a>]

00:42:24   Twitter her iOS has continued to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2544">TS</a>]

00:42:27   updated nevertheless gone through many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:28   major revisions and if you were to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2548">TS</a>]

00:42:30   buy it on the app store today which i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2550">TS</a>]

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00:42:34   I've never I've never waver despite also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2554">TS</a>]

00:42:37   buying many other twitter apps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:38   having them installed either left or if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2558">TS</a>]

00:42:40   it's because of its unified timeline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2560">TS</a>]

00:42:41   where it makes everything that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:43   happened on Twitter I related to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2563">TS</a>]

00:42:45   people you follow a single list sorted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:48   by time mentions tweets direct messages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2568">TS</a>]

00:42:51   your own tweets that go out just all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2571">TS</a>]

00:42:53   ordered by time that's it you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2573">TS</a>]

00:42:55   can view them separately if you want but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2575">TS</a>]

00:42:57   i like it just be one big list that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2577">TS</a>]

00:42:58   the unified timeline anyway the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:00   client on the other hand has not been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:02   updated in many many years because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:04   just hasn't been economically feasible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:06   to update it because the market for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:08   third-party Mac Twitter clients is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:11   not sustainable anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:13   the market for third-party iOS to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2593">TS</a>]

00:43:16   clients basically barely sustainably so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:18   many people use the official app and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2598">TS</a>]

00:43:20   there are still features that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2600">TS</a>]

00:43:21   only do in the official app I hate the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:23   official app even though i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:24   installed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2604">TS</a>]

00:43:25   oh it's the warning i don't understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:28   how anyone uses it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:29   it's confusing to people people use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2609">TS</a>]

00:43:31   their twitter and all sorts of different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:32   ways so I happen to know a some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2612">TS</a>]

00:43:37   people who work at icon factory who make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2617">TS</a>]

00:43:40   twitterrific and for many years I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2620">TS</a>]

00:43:41   been begging them half-jokingly to fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2621">TS</a>]

00:43:45   whatever the mac which by the way i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2625">TS</a>]

00:43:46   continue to use despite the fact that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:49   is slowly crumbling like you know when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2629">TS</a>]

00:43:51   they added the thing where the tweets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2631">TS</a>]

00:43:52   can be longer than you would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2632">TS</a>]

00:43:54   expected and we would like it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2634">TS</a>]

00:43:58   count like the mentions that everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2638">TS</a>]

00:43:59   towards the URLs are mentions towards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2639">TS</a>]

00:44:01   the character camp some some change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2641">TS</a>]

00:44:03   related to the length of of tweets and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2643">TS</a>]

00:44:06   if you don't support like the new longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2646">TS</a>]

00:44:09   tweet thing what you get from the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2649">TS</a>]

00:44:12   version of the API is a tweet that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:15   truncated and it goes like it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2655">TS</a>]

00:44:17   towards the end of the tweeters goes dot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2657">TS</a>]

00:44:19   and then has a URL but you can click on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2659">TS</a>]

00:44:21   to read the whole tweet on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:22   website that's what long tweets look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2662">TS</a>]

00:44:24   like and twitter for the mac and yet i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2664">TS</a>]

00:44:26   still continue to use that I can't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2666">TS</a>]

00:44:28   can't do so many things from the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:30   version of the client that I can do from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:32   the iOS one but I still continue to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2672">TS</a>]

00:44:33   it because i like it and every other mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2673">TS</a>]

00:44:35   client that I've tried i dislike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:37   strongly in some way so I I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2677">TS</a>]

00:44:40   wished for Twitter its comeback comeback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2680">TS</a>]

00:44:43   but I understood like look you can't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:45   know if it's not a viable arc is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2685">TS</a>]

00:44:47   available market even offered to pay up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2687">TS</a>]

00:44:49   seeing amounts of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2689">TS</a>]

00:44:50   for whatever put it back in fact I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2690">TS</a>]

00:44:53   believe it was only last week or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:55   week before that you said I would pay a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2695">TS</a>]

00:44:57   hundred dollars for updated version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2697">TS</a>]

00:44:59   terrific for the Mac I've said that many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:01   times and I may or may not have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2701">TS</a>]

00:45:03   saying that because i may or may not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2703">TS</a>]

00:45:04   have known about this project a plan but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2704">TS</a>]

00:45:06   anyway now there's a Kickstarter like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2706">TS</a>]

00:45:11   everything thing that we've joked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2711">TS</a>]

00:45:12   for so many years like how much money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2712">TS</a>]

00:45:14   would it take to fund the number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:15   developers who need to make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2715">TS</a>]

00:45:17   application let's just do a Kickstarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2717">TS</a>]

00:45:18   and if enough people want Twitter her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2718">TS</a>]

00:45:22   for the mac they will find this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2722">TS</a>]

00:45:24   and they will make this application like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2724">TS</a>]

00:45:26   it's it's an easy way to know that yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:28   you will have the money to pay for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2728">TS</a>]

00:45:30   development of this project because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:31   get the money upfront ish in exchange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2731">TS</a>]

00:45:34   for the application so i'm not i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2734">TS</a>]

00:45:37   back to this kickstarter I'm not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2737">TS</a>]

00:45:39   to tell you how much money i pledge but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2739">TS</a>]

00:45:41   it was a lot of it they are the goal is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:46   75,000 but i want you all to ignore that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2746">TS</a>]

00:45:49   because the real goal is a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2749">TS</a>]

00:45:50   thousand to stretch the so-called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:52   stretch goal because the stretch goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2752">TS</a>]

00:45:54   includes all the features that i want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2754">TS</a>]

00:45:55   including fairly essential things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:57   direct messaging so I really want this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2757">TS</a>]

00:45:59   kickstarter to get 200,000 if it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:01   it will just be proving what i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:02   factor has been saying all along is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2762">TS</a>]

00:46:04   there's just not enough people who want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2764">TS</a>]

00:46:06   this who are going to pay for it even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2766">TS</a>]

00:46:08   though some of us are paying very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2768">TS</a>]

00:46:10   more than five dollars for the privilege [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2770">TS</a>]

00:46:12   of having this application so you may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:15   not like using Twitter on the mac period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2775">TS</a>]

00:46:18   because many people just don't use it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2778">TS</a>]

00:46:19   the mac at all maybe use the website or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:20   whatever but if you are using an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2780">TS</a>]

00:46:23   existing Mac twitter client and don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2783">TS</a>]

00:46:26   like it or it seems like it hasn't been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2786">TS</a>]

00:46:29   updated my electorate herd for the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2789">TS</a>]

00:46:31   or it doesn't work the way you want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:32   to this is an opportunity to get a shiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:37   new twitter client from a company that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2797">TS</a>]

00:46:39   really knows how to make Twitter clients [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:41   44 only as much money as you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:46   possibly afford so please PLEASE back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2806">TS</a>]

00:46:48   this is up to 35 thousand dollars now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:50   and has been open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2810">TS</a>]

00:46:51   it's got 28 days to go and it's 35 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:54   thousand dollars out of a goal of not 75 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:56   north at go a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2816">TS</a>]

00:46:58   please everybody make this happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2818">TS</a>]

00:46:59   because i want this to the client but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2819">TS</a>]

00:47:02   we don't make it happen does that mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2822">TS</a>]

00:47:04   we will finally break you of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2824">TS</a>]

00:47:06   ridiculous insistence on the unified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2826">TS</a>]

00:47:07   timeline i know i will never gonna use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:10   whatever the magnet until it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:12   launch anymore after that I'm gonna I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:14   gonna beg my friends and i can factor to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2834">TS</a>]

00:47:16   give me a special building does blanch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:17   em I'm just giving you a hard time no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2837">TS</a>]

00:47:20   i know some of the folks from the icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:22   factory we all do actually and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2842">TS</a>]

00:47:24   great people so definitely check out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:26   this kickstarter and throw a few dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:29   if you can because it would make John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:31   happy it would make the folks at icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:33   factory happy and they're good people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2853">TS</a>]

00:47:35   and you could swag have t-shirts they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2855">TS</a>]

00:47:37   have little you know vinyl Holly dolly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2857">TS</a>]

00:47:40   is their little blue Twitter bird you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2860">TS</a>]

00:47:43   should be some history i think i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2863">TS</a>]

00:47:44   factor website link to it the history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2864">TS</a>]

00:47:46   between icon factory and Twitter many of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:48   the things that you associate with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2868">TS</a>]

00:47:50   Twitter were in fact invented by icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2870">TS</a>]

00:47:52   factory terminology iconography so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:55   icon factory is like practically part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:59   Twitter only non financial sense because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:01   they do not have thousands of employees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2881">TS</a>]

00:48:02   and billions of dollars of investment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:05   didn't Hockenberry come up with tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2885">TS</a>]

00:48:08   sent him knows co-worker that right i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:12   think so sorry that you have to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:13   details when I like oh my you tried like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2893">TS</a>]

00:48:16   yeah the I believe they were the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:18   ones to actually use a bird as part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:20   the logo that you at the word we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2900">TS</a>]

00:48:22   they might even invented at replies I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2902">TS</a>]

00:48:24   don't know it's they did a lot like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2904">TS</a>]

00:48:26   lot a lot of of Twitter like standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:28   things and practices and mechanisms and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2908">TS</a>]

00:48:30   everything were invented by icon factory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2910">TS</a>]

00:48:33   or by there by like their developers for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2913">TS</a>]

00:48:36   their apps and Ollie the blue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2916">TS</a>]

00:48:38   twitterrific bird is along with the with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:41   panik's transmit truck one of the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:43   ripped off i constantly entire internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2923">TS</a>]

00:48:45   you see everywhere like that's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:47   generic representation of Twitter that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:48   Twitter's logo nope nope not not twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2928">TS</a>]

00:48:51   logo at all in fact or logos worse than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:53   I contractors like they should have paid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:54   them to make their logos for them but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2934">TS</a>]

00:48:57   they didn't cool well good luck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2937">TS</a>]

00:48:59   I don't know if I'm if I should wish you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2939">TS</a>]

00:49:02   good luck John official wish the icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2942">TS</a>]

00:49:03   factory good luck I guess a little boat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2943">TS</a>]

00:49:05   should do either you should pledge money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2945">TS</a>]

00:49:07   that's what you should do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:08   here's here's why you shall pledge money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2948">TS</a>]

00:49:10   so a this is great software supported by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2950">TS</a>]

00:49:13   great people doing great things great be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2953">TS</a>]

00:49:15   Twitter needs more diversity in software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:18   and and twitterrific is one of the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:21   few clients that grandfather in with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2961">TS</a>]

00:49:23   very large amount of user tokens and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2963">TS</a>]

00:49:26   they actually can make their like one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2966">TS</a>]

00:49:29   the only companies that could make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:30   widespread twitter client and see if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2970">TS</a>]

00:49:34   this kickstarter doesn't fund John gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2974">TS</a>]

00:49:37   to keep all his money and so we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2977">TS</a>]

00:49:40   John we want John to have spent a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2980">TS</a>]

00:49:42   ridiculous amount of money on his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2982">TS</a>]

00:49:43   twitter client i can say is like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:45   second most expensive application of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2985">TS</a>]

00:49:47   computer after photoshop exactly what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2987">TS</a>]

00:49:49   exactly we want John's copy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:52   twitterrific to be the this ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2992">TS</a>]

00:49:55   investment he has made and so please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2995">TS</a>]

00:49:57   everyone go fund this so that his pledge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2997">TS</a>]

00:49:58   will go through it really is just all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/2998">TS</a>]

00:50:00   the money that I want to spend on a mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3000">TS</a>]

00:50:02   pro is just my software Kickstarter's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3002">TS</a>]

00:50:06   oh my goodness alright moving on let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:10   see what we have here at planet of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3010">TS</a>]

00:50:12   apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3012">TS</a>]

00:50:13   oh god what can we start with before we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:16   start talking about this show can we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3016">TS</a>]

00:50:17   start with the I someone maybe we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:20   lawyer and I'm how can they get away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3020">TS</a>]

00:50:21   with calling it planet of the apps when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3021">TS</a>]

00:50:23   it sounds like planet of the apes is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3023">TS</a>]

00:50:24   there any that is it doesn't fall under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:26   the cat the like parody we're like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3026">TS</a>]

00:50:29   referencing thing a thing but in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3029">TS</a>]

00:50:31   joking way so it is almost like trade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3031">TS</a>]

00:50:34   dress like I don't know I don't know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3034">TS</a>]

00:50:36   the the legal things about that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:38   seems too weird to me that they can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3038">TS</a>]

00:50:39   away with planet of the apps without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3039">TS</a>]

00:50:40   paying somebody who has the right to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:42   Planet of the Apes Oh fall for next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:44   someone tell me what the deal is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:46   yeah i mean three things like a we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3046">TS</a>]

00:50:48   aren't trademark lawyers be they might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3048">TS</a>]

00:50:50   have paid someone to license it can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:53   they might just not care and just accept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:55   it and if anybody threaten them and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3055">TS</a>]

00:50:57   will just settle it because allegory of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3057">TS</a>]

00:50:59   being apple and exactly the top of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:00   mountain of cash so high you can't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3060">TS</a>]

00:51:02   hear the people yelling at you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3062">TS</a>]

00:51:03   exactly like it's probably we will buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3063">TS</a>]

00:51:06   the planet of the apes franchise from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3066">TS</a>]

00:51:08   universal over the hell owns it but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:10   know when we sneeze the money falls out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:11   of our pockets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3071">TS</a>]

00:51:12   yeah exactly like it's probably I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:14   it you know as as amateurs hear it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3074">TS</a>]

00:51:17   kind of seem like it might be considered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:19   like generic enough or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3079">TS</a>]

00:51:22   clearly clear enough parody or satire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:23   that it might not be a clear-cut case of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:26   actual infringement humor the camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:29   angle is the strongest one but I'm right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3089">TS</a>]

00:51:31   that funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3091">TS</a>]

00:51:32   no it's not apples not good at being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:34   funny and I was like how bad is your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:36   plan have to be before it stops being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3096">TS</a>]

00:51:38   humor I i think what one thing that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3098">TS</a>]

00:51:42   know I I don't want to bash chapel too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:44   much about this but i do think that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3104">TS</a>]

00:51:47   very clear difference between apple now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3107">TS</a>]

00:51:49   vs apple under steve is that Steve was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:52   cool person like not and and not in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3112">TS</a>]

00:51:55   ways and and he knew the ways in which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3115">TS</a>]

00:51:56   she wasn't cool to kind of kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:58   played off of them but he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3118">TS</a>]

00:52:00   fundamentally like pretty cool person to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3120">TS</a>]

00:52:02   to the people who follow apple and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:04   to apple customers and I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3124">TS</a>]

00:52:06   anybody at apple now is cool at least in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3126">TS</a>]

00:52:10   the senior leadership but i'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3130">TS</a>]

00:52:12   they know that it actually kind of seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:14   like they don't know that and are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3134">TS</a>]

00:52:16   actually under the opposite impression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3136">TS</a>]

00:52:17   see fed is cool come on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:19   what does not know bc Fed is is he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3139">TS</a>]

00:52:23   like the dad joke but he knows that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:25   he plays that so he actually doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:27   have a pretty good job of managing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3147">TS</a>]

00:52:29   he's not much in the public eye I i get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:33   like I don't like him i think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3153">TS</a>]

00:52:36   profoundly deeply uncool but is under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:39   the opposite impression he doesn't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3159">TS</a>]

00:52:42   he's cool yeah i agree he's he's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:45   he's comfortable zone skin you think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3165">TS</a>]

00:52:47   any cute whooping well no yeah yeah he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:49   a whole different level but uh but yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3169">TS</a>]

00:52:53   I mean I I i wish the like basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3173">TS</a>]

00:52:56   apple today is run by a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3176">TS</a>]

00:52:59   middle-aged white men and it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:03   he that is showing a lot recently and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:08   it's unfortunate and that isn't to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:11   that they can still make good stuff but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3191">TS</a>]

00:53:13   I think some of their decisions are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3193">TS</a>]

00:53:15   little odd you know in in context anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3195">TS</a>]

00:53:19   back to get off the name though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3199">TS</a>]

00:53:22   but yes just to defend or the opposite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:24   to condemn Steve Jobs coolness remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3204">TS</a>]

00:53:27   that he wanted to call the imac mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3207">TS</a>]

00:53:29   man move we all have bad days remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:32   that talked out of it by advertising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:35   executives macman I believe them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:37   my memory is correct that someone Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3217">TS</a>]

00:53:39   and correct me if I'm screwing up but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3219">TS</a>]

00:53:40   thank goodness for imac yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:42   to be fair that was a long time ago I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3222">TS</a>]

00:53:44   know but it's just like the name and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3224">TS</a>]

00:53:47   tastes like it Steve wasn't as cool back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3227">TS</a>]

00:53:49   then in in the mid-nineties Steve wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:52   as cool 1998 I'm acting but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:58   alright so there was a trailer for apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3238">TS</a>]

00:54:02   while really I guess Apple musics TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3242">TS</a>]

00:54:05   show so the Apple music TV show and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:07   a little weird like music television [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3247">TS</a>]

00:54:09   yeah thanks you too there so it's called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3249">TS</a>]

00:54:13   planet of the apps i only saw the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3253">TS</a>]

00:54:15   trailer once it's like two and a half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3255">TS</a>]

00:54:16   minutes so it at this point if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:18   listen to the show feel free to pause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:19   and watch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:20   I it so I mixed feelings about this it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3260">TS</a>]

00:54:25   is clearly unequivocally not a show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3265">TS</a>]

00:54:28   meant for the three of us and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:30   okay i can move itself that's not a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:32   thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3272">TS</a>]

00:54:33   the idea is I if I understand this right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:37   a bunch of app developers or potential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3277">TS</a>]

00:54:40   app developers come in and do an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:43   escalator pitch so they are on an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3283">TS</a>]

00:54:45   escalator and as the escalators moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3285">TS</a>]

00:54:48   down they have like 60 seconds to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:50   pitch to will I am one of paltrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:52   jessica alba and gary vaynerchuk who I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:57   guess at that point get to choose if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3297">TS</a>]

00:54:59   they want to tutor any of these teams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3299">TS</a>]

00:55:02   and then I guess there's a competition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3302">TS</a>]

00:55:04   at the end and if you win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3304">TS</a>]

00:55:06   among other things you get special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3306">TS</a>]

00:55:08   placement in the app store which most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3308">TS</a>]

00:55:10   people would probably give an appendage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3310">TS</a>]

00:55:11   to get wait so you can i first started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3311">TS</a>]

00:55:16   out with the escalator pitch thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3316">TS</a>]

00:55:18   yeah yeah as a brief diversion here okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:20   so i have a question obviously I've ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3320">TS</a>]

00:55:23   pitched Avicii I've been around vc's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3323">TS</a>]

00:55:25   I've been bored BDCs I've interacted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3325">TS</a>]

00:55:27   with a lot of pieces but never actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3327">TS</a>]

00:55:28   pitched to one that was always done by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3328">TS</a>]

00:55:31   david and other people who are around me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:33   that being said i am familiar with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:36   concept of the elevator pitch where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3336">TS</a>]

00:55:38   idea is you're in an elevator with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3338">TS</a>]

00:55:40   VC only have like until that you only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3340">TS</a>]

00:55:42   like they'll be arrived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3342">TS</a>]

00:55:43   to pitch them on your idea and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:45   gotta convince them in a short amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:46   time it's supposed to be like a man or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3346">TS</a>]

00:55:47   something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:48   however how did this come about because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:51   silicon valley has very few tall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3351">TS</a>]

00:55:53   buildings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3353">TS</a>]

00:55:54   that's an interesting point there aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3354">TS</a>]

00:55:56   that many elevators there to begin with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3356">TS</a>]

00:55:58   and the ones that are there are probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3358">TS</a>]

00:56:00   going over like three floors the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:02   elevator right they are lazy people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3362">TS</a>]

00:56:03   have elevators in two-story buildings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3363">TS</a>]

00:56:05   but it but still it's not like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3365">TS</a>]

00:56:06   one-minute pitches like an eight second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:08   pitch like that where where did this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3368">TS</a>]

00:56:10   idea come about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:12   maybe in New York taller buildings but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3372">TS</a>]

00:56:14   silicon valley of money has always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3374">TS</a>]

00:56:16   west coast vc's there there are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3376">TS</a>]

00:56:18   very few new york vc's that actually fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3378">TS</a>]

00:56:20   Silicon Valley or tech project I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3380">TS</a>]

00:56:23   elevator pitch pretty silicon valley but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:24   going back into steve jobs again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3384">TS</a>]

00:56:26   remember the story about being trapped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3386">TS</a>]

00:56:27   in an elevator with steve jobs and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:29   has enough time to fire you in there so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:30   it for you to say the wrong thing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:32   him to decide that you're fired and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:34   was remarkably efficient but wow anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3394">TS</a>]

00:56:37   everything that I think elevator pitch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3397">TS</a>]

00:56:39   predates silicon valley but if not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3399">TS</a>]

00:56:41   it's metaphorical more than it is actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3401">TS</a>]

00:56:43   but you but you got to the heart of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3403">TS</a>]

00:56:44   idea is that if you have to sum up your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3404">TS</a>]

00:56:47   idea in a short amount of time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3407">TS</a>]

00:56:48   should be able to say something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3408">TS</a>]

00:56:49   compelling instead of like just rambling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3409">TS</a>]

00:56:51   on for 20 minutes and people not knowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3411">TS</a>]

00:56:52   what you're selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3412">TS</a>]

00:56:53   you need to have an elevator pitch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3413">TS</a>]

00:56:55   people in the end the the chat room or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3415">TS</a>]

00:56:56   like don't you mean we said escalator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3416">TS</a>]

00:56:59   pitch do you must speak to you mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:01   elevator pitch no that's left planet of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3421">TS</a>]

00:57:03   the apps get it apps instead of apes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3423">TS</a>]

00:57:07   think that would be an elevator pitch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3427">TS</a>]

00:57:08   but you see what we did there someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:11   who we all know would say they took it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:12   and they turned it it's not an elevator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3432">TS</a>]

00:57:15   bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3435">TS</a>]

00:57:15   it's an escalator between makes even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3435">TS</a>]

00:57:17   less sense because we're you to a cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3437">TS</a>]

00:57:19   somebody on an escalator that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3439">TS</a>]

00:57:20   super weird because you wouldn't even be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3440">TS</a>]

00:57:22   facing them you'll be there above them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3442">TS</a>]

00:57:23   are below them and the second thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:25   an escalator riding lesson time then an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:27   elevator ride so it is it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3447">TS</a>]

00:57:30   ill-conceived in every possible way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3450">TS</a>]

00:57:31   except for one and that one way is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:34   that an idea that fits in with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:35   reality show answer yes well and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3455">TS</a>]

00:57:38   easier to film an escalator moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3458">TS</a>]

00:57:40   towards the host then it are the the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3460">TS</a>]

00:57:42   dc's whatever then it is an elevator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3462">TS</a>]

00:57:45   moving up from the basement and I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3465">TS</a>]

00:57:48   the the four like sponsors host [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3468">TS</a>]

00:57:51   whateverrr looking at a video feed until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:53   they arrive until the the purchase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3473">TS</a>]

00:57:55   it's arrived like it's this weird anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3475">TS</a>]

00:57:57   the name elevator pitch reflects the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3477">TS</a>]

00:57:59   idea that it should be possible to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3479">TS</a>]

00:58:00   deliver the summary in the summer time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:02   span of an elevator ride or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:03   approximately 30 seconds to 2 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3483">TS</a>]

00:58:04   and is widely credited to Eileen Rossen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:07   swag and Michael Caruso while he was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3487">TS</a>]

00:58:10   editor for Vanity Fair for its word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3490">TS</a>]

00:58:13   origins so presumably this well predate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3493">TS</a>]

00:58:16   Silicon Valley so Believe It or Not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:17   Silicon Valley the world did not always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3497">TS</a>]

00:58:20   running around you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3500">TS</a>]

00:58:21   truth be told CSO this this show so I me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3501">TS</a>]

00:58:25   I don't intrinsically have anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3505">TS</a>]

00:58:27   against reality shows in fact i watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3507">TS</a>]

00:58:29   some truly and utterly atrociously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3509">TS</a>]

00:58:33   terrible reality shows not often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3513">TS</a>]

00:58:34   competitions but be that as it may I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3514">TS</a>]

00:58:37   have watched season of american idol in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3517">TS</a>]

00:58:39   the past so I i have seen my fair share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:41   of reality shows i've seen the voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3521">TS</a>]

00:58:43   many times I want a reality show friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3523">TS</a>]

00:58:46   yeah right exactly this this show does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:50   not speak to me at all and i find it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3530">TS</a>]

00:58:53   be fairly preposterous but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3533">TS</a>]

00:58:57   necessarily think that's a bad thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3537">TS</a>]

00:58:59   because i don't think the show is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3539">TS</a>]

00:59:01   for me because it's to my know too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3541">TS</a>]

00:59:05   about how the sausage is made and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:07   is not a show about how sausages made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3547">TS</a>]

00:59:09   despite how their pitching it's a show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3549">TS</a>]

00:59:11   about making sausage making glamorous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3551">TS</a>]

00:59:14   and my head until this analogy but be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3554">TS</a>]

00:59:16   that as it may I don't have anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3556">TS</a>]

00:59:18   thanks a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3558">TS</a>]

00:59:19   yeah it's so I mean I can't watch it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3559">TS</a>]

00:59:23   presume because i do not pay for Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3563">TS</a>]

00:59:25   music I never have I used it for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3565">TS</a>]

00:59:28   free trial and then never paid for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3568">TS</a>]

00:59:30   I i would probably watch it if i could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3570">TS</a>]

00:59:34   for an episode or two just to see what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3574">TS</a>]

00:59:37   thought I don't expect I would like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3577">TS</a>]

00:59:39   and I don't think that's a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3579">TS</a>]

00:59:41   Marco what do you think I mean obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:45   I've had similar reactions to most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3585">TS</a>]

00:59:48   programmers looking at this of just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:50   wow this this kind of looks awful from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3590">TS</a>]

00:59:53   the trailer it is very clear that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3593">TS</a>]

00:59:55   really meant as a ripoff of shark tank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3595">TS</a>]

00:59:57   and whatever the original version shark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3597">TS</a>]

00:59:59   tank was called so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3599">TS</a>]

00:59:59   tank was called so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3599">TS</a>]

01:00:00   or else not probably in your because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:01   still have their TV and rename it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3601">TS</a>]

01:00:02   everyone thinks we invented it but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3602">TS</a>]

01:00:05   might be entertaining show in the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3605">TS</a>]

01:00:08   like like what was that not freaks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3608">TS</a>]

01:00:11   geeks a beauty and the geek like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3611">TS</a>]

01:00:13   at this horrible dating reality show i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3613">TS</a>]

01:00:16   think i saw that it was delightful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3616">TS</a>]

01:00:18   it was terrible but it was delightful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3618">TS</a>]

01:00:20   yeah and like as a geek watching that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3620">TS</a>]

01:00:23   your you could you see what you saw all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3623">TS</a>]

01:00:25   the ridiculous holes in the show but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3625">TS</a>]

01:00:27   was still fun to watch as like a fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3627">TS</a>]

01:00:29   garbage TV show and this could probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3629">TS</a>]

01:00:31   be that too for anybody who is remotely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3631">TS</a>]

01:00:34   familiar with software development and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3634">TS</a>]

01:00:36   and building at absent building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3636">TS</a>]

01:00:38   businesses this might be that kind of do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3638">TS</a>]

01:00:40   it might be a fun garbage watch it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3640">TS</a>]

01:00:42   fine you know I think a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3642">TS</a>]

01:00:44   are reading audience because I don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3644">TS</a>]

01:00:46   wouldn't read much into this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3646">TS</a>]

01:00:48   there's a lot of arguments against it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3648">TS</a>]

01:00:49   that Apple maybe shouldn't be doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3649">TS</a>]

01:00:51   or that it's going to cast app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3651">TS</a>]

01:00:53   development in a bad light or it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3653">TS</a>]

01:00:55   to distort people's view and apps and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3655">TS</a>]

01:00:57   think most of those things are both true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3657">TS</a>]

01:01:01   on some level but not a big deal and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3661">TS</a>]

01:01:04   reality and all likelihood like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3664">TS</a>]

01:01:06   not going to be enough of an effect on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3666">TS</a>]

01:01:07   anything to really matter because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3667">TS</a>]

01:01:08   chances are this is going to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3668">TS</a>]

01:01:11   not very far it's going to be watched by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3671">TS</a>]

01:01:13   not that many people and it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3673">TS</a>]

01:01:15   make not that big of a cultural impact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3675">TS</a>]

01:01:16   of any sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3676">TS</a>]

01:01:17   so it's probably going to be fun garbage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3677">TS</a>]

01:01:19   TV for some people to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3679">TS</a>]

01:01:21   I think it's weird that the music app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3681">TS</a>]

01:01:23   everywhere and it's only an apple music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3683">TS</a>]

01:01:24   a lot of people are going to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3684">TS</a>]

01:01:26   trouble ever even knowing it exists as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3686">TS</a>]

01:01:28   result those people who do it exists are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3688">TS</a>]

01:01:30   gonna have trouble finding it so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3690">TS</a>]

01:01:32   all going to hurt viewership probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3692">TS</a>]

01:01:33   but anyway you know the actual show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3693">TS</a>]

01:01:36   itself you know it's it's it's a garbage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3696">TS</a>]

01:01:39   reality TV show the host of it are have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3699">TS</a>]

01:01:44   I think limited knowledge about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3704">TS</a>]

01:01:47   reality of a building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3707">TS</a>]

01:01:49   gary vaynerchuk I like a lot I I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3709">TS</a>]

01:01:52   he he really he is the person on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3712">TS</a>]

01:01:54   show i'm most interested to to see I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3714">TS</a>]

01:01:57   I've followed his work back in the day I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3717">TS</a>]

01:01:59   met him a couple times he's super nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3719">TS</a>]

01:02:01   he is the real deal he knows what he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:03   talking about not necessarily an app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3723">TS</a>]

01:02:06   development as far as i know but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3726">TS</a>]

01:02:08   know he's more like a business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3728">TS</a>]

01:02:09   consultant but that's what i wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3729">TS</a>]

01:02:12   get to though is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3732">TS</a>]

01:02:13   that's kind of more with the show is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:15   about like it's called planet of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3735">TS</a>]

01:02:17   apps and its focus on apps because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3737">TS</a>]

01:02:19   apples funding it and making it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3739">TS</a>]

01:02:22   promoting it so the Apple wanted to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3742">TS</a>]

01:02:24   all about them and the world they think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3744">TS</a>]

01:02:25   they created so of course they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3745">TS</a>]

01:02:27   focusing the marketing and the naming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3747">TS</a>]

01:02:29   everything else on apps and all the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3749">TS</a>]

01:02:31   developers are saying this is crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3751">TS</a>]

01:02:33   because this isn't how apps are made but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3753">TS</a>]

01:02:36   the show really isn't about apps it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3756">TS</a>]

01:02:38   like if the show was called planet of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3758">TS</a>]

01:02:41   the websites and you know it's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3761">TS</a>]

01:02:43   website is like an interface to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3763">TS</a>]

01:02:46   business and you eat you don't go around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3766">TS</a>]

01:02:49   saying hey I'm making the new website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3769">TS</a>]

01:02:52   like no you may dig 1993 lemme tellya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3772">TS</a>]

01:02:55   well yeah but the point is like for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3775">TS</a>]

01:02:59   for the types of things that most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3779">TS</a>]

01:03:01   long shade that would be entertaining to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3781">TS</a>]

01:03:03   watch at all no one's gonna watch a show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3783">TS</a>]

01:03:06   about you making a bespoke note-taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3786">TS</a>]

01:03:08   app or something like that like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3788">TS</a>]

01:03:10   gonna watch a show that's kinda like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3790">TS</a>]

01:03:12   shark tank or america's got talent or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3792">TS</a>]

01:03:15   stuff like that that's what people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3795">TS</a>]

01:03:16   actually want to watch this garbage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3796">TS</a>]

01:03:17   reality shows for and so they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3797">TS</a>]

01:03:20   hear like the big business idea because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3800">TS</a>]

01:03:22   this is a show i I'm a tweet about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3802">TS</a>]

01:03:24   is kind of like a show for the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3804">TS</a>]

01:03:25   people those people who was a cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3805">TS</a>]

01:03:27   app-developers at-bat got at gathering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:29   stuff like I had this great idea for an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3809">TS</a>]

01:03:31   app i will you not tell me about you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3811">TS</a>]

01:03:34   can't steal it you do 50 with me I'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3814">TS</a>]

01:03:37   the idea guy you you make the appt ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3817">TS</a>]

01:03:39   here's my idea and they tell you some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3819">TS</a>]

01:03:41   ridiculous idea that is usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3821">TS</a>]

01:03:43   impossible and/or terrible this show is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3823">TS</a>]

01:03:47   for those people to watch kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3827">TS</a>]

01:03:50   aspirationally because they think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3830">TS</a>]

01:03:51   could be them someday that's who this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3831">TS</a>]

01:03:53   actually for or people i guess you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3833">TS</a>]

01:03:54   want garbage TV to watch sometimes but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3834">TS</a>]

01:03:57   the point is like this is not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3837">TS</a>]

01:03:59   reflect what it's like to be an indie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3839">TS</a>]

01:04:01   app developer because not only do people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3841">TS</a>]

01:04:04   not really want to watch that but most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3844">TS</a>]

01:04:06   app development isn't in the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3846">TS</a>]

01:04:08   developers most app development is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3848">TS</a>]

01:04:11   in-house employees or contractors for up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3851">TS</a>]

01:04:14   for like bigger businesses that where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3854">TS</a>]

01:04:16   the error is not exactly the app itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3856">TS</a>]

01:04:18   is not the business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3858">TS</a>]

01:04:21   the app is just an interface to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3861">TS</a>]

01:04:23   business in the same way that 10 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3863">TS</a>]

01:04:25   ago the website was the inner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3865">TS</a>]

01:04:27   face to most businesses that were made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:28   in our in our industry right so we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3868">TS</a>]

01:04:32   this to be some other things like people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3872">TS</a>]

01:04:34   like this working we wanted to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3874">TS</a>]

01:04:36   this beautiful story about app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3876">TS</a>]

01:04:38   developers and it's just not going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3878">TS</a>]

01:04:40   that it's gonna be the exact same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3880">TS</a>]

01:04:44   that would have been 10 12 years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3884">TS</a>]

01:04:47   people pitching vc's about ideas that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3887">TS</a>]

01:04:50   were based on web apps and web services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3890">TS</a>]

01:04:52   at social networks and you know very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3892">TS</a>]

01:04:54   like that's it's gonna just be that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3894">TS</a>]

01:04:57   where the interface to it happens to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3897">TS</a>]

01:05:00   an app in the app store it's not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3900">TS</a>]

01:05:02   be great you know academically it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3902">TS</a>]

01:05:05   going to be a high quality TV but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3905">TS</a>]

01:05:08   don't think it's going to meaningfully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3908">TS</a>]

01:05:09   impact the app business or people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3909">TS</a>]

01:05:12   perception of it for lots of reasons not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3912">TS</a>]

01:05:15   least two books i don't think many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3915">TS</a>]

01:05:16   people watch it but also just as I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3916">TS</a>]

01:05:18   I don't think it really has much bearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3918">TS</a>]

01:05:21   on what most of us actually do but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3921">TS</a>]

01:05:24   also think it doesn't really purport to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3924">TS</a>]

01:05:25   because that doesn't because what most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3925">TS</a>]

01:05:26   of us really do or what we think we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3926">TS</a>]

01:05:28   to do with India and development is such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3928">TS</a>]

01:05:30   a very very tiny sliver of the world out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3930">TS</a>]

01:05:33   of that development as a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3933">TS</a>]

01:05:35   thinking back to when we first talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3935">TS</a>]

01:05:37   about this and we have this you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3937">TS</a>]

01:05:38   there's so little information like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3938">TS</a>]

01:05:40   apples making a show about app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3940">TS</a>]

01:05:41   development something something and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3941">TS</a>]

01:05:43   if you like celebrity names attached to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3943">TS</a>]

01:05:44   it and we had that brief moment where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3944">TS</a>]

01:05:48   could talk about the possibility of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3948">TS</a>]

01:05:51   being a show that is actually about app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3951">TS</a>]

01:05:53   development and I think the time we said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3953">TS</a>]

01:05:54   how can that they can't make that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3954">TS</a>]

01:05:55   interesting does not want to see someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3955">TS</a>]

01:05:56   sitting there encoding like that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3956">TS</a>]

01:05:58   going to be on the show right but still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3958">TS</a>]

01:06:00   we were we were entertaining the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3960">TS</a>]

01:06:03   a show about app development but of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3963">TS</a>]

01:06:04   course like when the show comes out it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3964">TS</a>]

01:06:06   not about app development as Mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3966">TS</a>]

01:06:07   pointed out is it is basically like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3967">TS</a>]

01:06:10   subset of shark tank imagine shark tank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3970">TS</a>]

01:06:13   except the only thing you can pitch our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3973">TS</a>]

01:06:14   businesses represented by an application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3974">TS</a>]

01:06:17   you're writing your own bad pitch right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3977">TS</a>]

01:06:20   that's what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3980">TS</a>]

01:06:21   okay I have this great idea for a show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3981">TS</a>]

01:06:23   are you ready i'll be the idea guy you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3983">TS</a>]

01:06:24   make the entire show okay it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3984">TS</a>]

01:06:26   shark tank but for apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3986">TS</a>]

01:06:28   yeah but all but only but only apps like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3988">TS</a>]

01:06:30   if you see if your business can isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3990">TS</a>]

01:06:32   like Rep like Instagram would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3992">TS</a>]

01:06:34   business represented by napisal sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3994">TS</a>]

01:06:36   things would be like is the appt the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3996">TS</a>]

01:06:38   sort of standard bearer for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3998">TS</a>]

01:06:39   business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/3999">TS</a>]

01:06:40   is that how people deal with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4000">TS</a>]

01:06:41   business is it through a nap then you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4001">TS</a>]

01:06:44   fine but if you have any other business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4004">TS</a>]

01:06:45   idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4005">TS</a>]

01:06:46   no sorry got to go on shark tank right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4006">TS</a>]

01:06:48   so it's a narrow slice thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4008">TS</a>]

01:06:49   presumably Apple does this because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4009">TS</a>]

01:06:51   they're the app company and so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4011">TS</a>]

01:06:53   some kind of synergy there but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4013">TS</a>]

01:06:54   brings up a a tweet that uh our friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4014">TS</a>]

01:06:57   cable SAS or panic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4017">TS</a>]

01:06:58   posted today yesterday I forget it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4018">TS</a>]

01:07:01   arguing with grouper about something in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4021">TS</a>]

01:07:03   you and his reply was you can't just say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4023">TS</a>]

01:07:07   well that's route reality TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4027">TS</a>]

01:07:10   he's he's using well that's reality TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4030">TS</a>]

01:07:13   as a verb so I'm going to try to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4033">TS</a>]

01:07:15   this in the way that it says you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4035">TS</a>]

01:07:17   quote well that's reality TV a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4037">TS</a>]

01:07:19   from Apple does that sentence makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4039">TS</a>]

01:07:21   sense to people that's what he wrote I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4041">TS</a>]

01:07:22   trying real hard here on an actor it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4042">TS</a>]

01:07:25   from Apple the experts of good taste now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4045">TS</a>]

01:07:27   get a free pass for junk like the ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4047">TS</a>]

01:07:29   you can't just always reality or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4049">TS</a>]

01:07:30   whatever because it's more apple we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4050">TS</a>]

01:07:32   some expectations of taste which would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4052">TS</a>]

01:07:34   you know get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4054">TS</a>]

01:07:35   planet of the apps and perhaps not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4055">TS</a>]

01:07:37   getting off on the right foot right from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4057">TS</a>]

01:07:38   the title when I saw the sweet i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4058">TS</a>]

01:07:41   thinkin like we talked two passions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4061">TS</a>]

01:07:44   about Apple getting into the content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4064">TS</a>]

01:07:45   market and i still think that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4065">TS</a>]

01:07:47   sense because if they are going to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4067">TS</a>]

01:07:49   to compete with the netflix in there an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4069">TS</a>]

01:07:51   amazon and stuff and netflix and amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4071">TS</a>]

01:07:53   are doing original content apple should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4073">TS</a>]

01:07:55   be doing original content to but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4075">TS</a>]

01:07:57   thing about content is if you're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4077">TS</a>]

01:08:01   original content well not saying you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4081">TS</a>]

01:08:05   can't but probably you shouldn't imbue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4085">TS</a>]

01:08:09   that content with any of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4089">TS</a>]

01:08:10   sensibilities from your company which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4090">TS</a>]

01:08:12   sounds like was not an apple whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4092">TS</a>]

01:08:13   is everything they do imbued with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4093">TS</a>]

01:08:14   sensibility of Apple but content is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4094">TS</a>]

01:08:17   different there is nothing particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4097">TS</a>]

01:08:19   about stranger things are man in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4099">TS</a>]

01:08:22   high castle that makes me think Netflix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4102">TS</a>]

01:08:24   or Amazon like there's no one of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4104">TS</a>]

01:08:26   corporate DNA and those shows creative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4106">TS</a>]

01:08:28   content especially entertainment has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4108">TS</a>]

01:08:31   be true to its genre so it's a sci-fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4111">TS</a>]

01:08:34   show make a good sci-fi show if it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4114">TS</a>]

01:08:37   family drama make a good family drama if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4117">TS</a>]

01:08:39   it's a wacky comedy make a good webcam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4119">TS</a>]

01:08:41   it doesn't matter how well wacky comedy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4121">TS</a>]

01:08:43   family drama sci fi fit with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4123">TS</a>]

01:08:45   corporate branding and it's weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4125">TS</a>]

01:08:47   because Amazon and Netflix and Apple are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4127">TS</a>]

01:08:49   these tech based companies that do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4129">TS</a>]

01:08:51   fairly different things with some over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4131">TS</a>]

01:08:54   app but none of them having to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4134">TS</a>]

01:08:55   creativity but I think netflix amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4135">TS</a>]

01:08:57   has shown if you get the right people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4137">TS</a>]

01:09:00   involved basically like what is being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4140">TS</a>]

01:09:02   supplied by Netflix and Amazon obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4142">TS</a>]

01:09:04   there's a venue for viewing but the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4144">TS</a>]

01:09:06   important thing is money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4146">TS</a>]

01:09:08   here you go people who know how to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4148">TS</a>]

01:09:10   creative things created by creative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4150">TS</a>]

01:09:12   people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4152">TS</a>]

01:09:13   here's a bucket of money can you make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4153">TS</a>]

01:09:15   good show and out pops house of cards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4155">TS</a>]

01:09:17   answer yes if you throw enough money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4157">TS</a>]

01:09:19   that you hire the right people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4159">TS</a>]

01:09:20   netflix a company that delivers plastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4160">TS</a>]

01:09:24   discs and streaming video to people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4164">TS</a>]

01:09:25   houses you know used to plant uses the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4165">TS</a>]

01:09:28   lastest can make good content and same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4168">TS</a>]

01:09:31   thing with amazon the place that you buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4171">TS</a>]

01:09:33   stuff from they deliver for you in boxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4173">TS</a>]

01:09:35   can make original content so if Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4175">TS</a>]

01:09:39   has decided you can our debate the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4179">TS</a>]

01:09:40   merits of this that they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4180">TS</a>]

01:09:42   make a reality show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4182">TS</a>]

01:09:44   I think we're getting a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4184">TS</a>]

01:09:46   confused by the fact that involves apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4186">TS</a>]

01:09:48   the bottom line is all right if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4188">TS</a>]

01:09:50   gonna make a reality show what our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4190">TS</a>]

01:09:52   reality shows like and can you make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4192">TS</a>]

01:09:54   good one and i'm going to defend reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4194">TS</a>]

01:09:55   shows as a long time for your reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4195">TS</a>]

01:09:58   shows from from the very beginning I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4198">TS</a>]

01:10:00   still watching enjoy many of them that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4200">TS</a>]

01:10:02   there is such a thing as a good reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4202">TS</a>]

01:10:04   show and a bad reality show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4204">TS</a>]

01:10:06   oh yeah but but within the genre like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4206">TS</a>]

01:10:09   there is a genre and if you look at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4209">TS</a>]

01:10:11   trailer you go that's a reality show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4211">TS</a>]

01:10:13   like it is clearly recognizable as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4213">TS</a>]

01:10:15   reality show and I think it could be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4215">TS</a>]

01:10:18   good reality show if done well because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4218">TS</a>]

01:10:22   it involves people with the skill and an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4222">TS</a>]

01:10:27   ambition and a dream or whatever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4227">TS</a>]

01:10:30   they are going to you know in all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4230">TS</a>]

01:10:33   scenarios where you have the panel of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4233">TS</a>]

01:10:34   experts to pick them on them that can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4234">TS</a>]

01:10:36   very bad or it can be good where they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4236">TS</a>]

01:10:38   trying to encourage people after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4238">TS</a>]

01:10:40   initial like let's make fun of the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4240">TS</a>]

01:10:42   people who are really bad you know sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4242">TS</a>]

01:10:44   of American i'll type thing like that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4244">TS</a>]

01:10:45   feel like a bad aspect of it but either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4245">TS</a>]

01:10:46   way once you get into the human story of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4246">TS</a>]

01:10:49   like I what I want to do this thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4249">TS</a>]

01:10:51   don't need to know what the details of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4251">TS</a>]

01:10:53   the struggle our this won't be about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4253">TS</a>]

01:10:54   application development probably mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4254">TS</a>]

01:10:56   be about starting a new business and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4256">TS</a>]

01:10:58   business ideas and in the end unlike for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4258">TS</a>]

01:11:01   example american idol in the end there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4261">TS</a>]

01:11:03   is much less ability to make these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4263">TS</a>]

01:11:05   people into Superstars I'm even know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4265">TS</a>]

01:11:07   Kyle had trouble eventually but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4267">TS</a>]

01:11:08   Carrie Kelly Clarkson had a reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4268">TS</a>]

01:11:11   expectation that if she won this reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4271">TS</a>]

01:11:14   show she would have a viable recording [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4274">TS</a>]

01:11:17   career a because the people picking her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4277">TS</a>]

01:11:19   are going to pick people based on talent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4279">TS</a>]

01:11:21   and be because you get an in with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4281">TS</a>]

01:11:24   recording industry which is way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4284">TS</a>]

01:11:25   monolithic and actually back then had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4285">TS</a>]

01:11:27   even more power than it does today to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4287">TS</a>]

01:11:29   make you a star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4289">TS</a>]

01:11:31   uh because they control distribution and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4291">TS</a>]

01:11:33   so it's always much less so than they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4293">TS</a>]

01:11:34   used to in the old days but still it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4294">TS</a>]

01:11:36   a think but for this for the app show i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4296">TS</a>]

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01:11:42   people on the expert panel have any idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4302">TS</a>]

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01:18:37   of its existence not gonna take that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4717">TS</a>]

01:18:40   only mark hope no one was at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4720">TS</a>]

01:18:42   traveling one with the box at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4722">TS</a>]

01:18:44   refrigerator size box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4724">TS</a>]

01:18:46   yes no I have seen that actually I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4726">TS</a>]

01:18:48   detect right that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4728">TS</a>]

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01:18:52   and the person who made that movie i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4732">TS</a>]

01:18:55   initially expected people and prefer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4735">TS</a>]

01:18:58   people to pronounce it primer know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4738">TS</a>]

01:19:01   eventually gave up because everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4741">TS</a>]

01:19:03   everybody who saw that word pronounced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4743">TS</a>]

01:19:05   the primer which is an alternate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4745">TS</a>]

01:19:07   translation of that word with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4747">TS</a>]

01:19:08   different meaning and so the creator of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4748">TS</a>]

01:19:11   the movie had to cover and protect curry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4751">TS</a>]

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01:19:15   logo had a bar over the e to try to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4755">TS</a>]

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01:19:21   now is correct but that didn't work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4761">TS</a>]

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01:19:26   creator of that site says trajectory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4766">TS</a>]

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01:19:35   of people were tweeting this with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4775">TS</a>]

01:19:38   idea this is the omnivorous box that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4778">TS</a>]

01:19:40   talked about on hypercritical and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4780">TS</a>]

01:19:42   earlier on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4782">TS</a>]

01:19:43   earlier episodes of ATP it's such an all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4783">TS</a>]

01:19:46   idea from like 2011 over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4786">TS</a>]

01:19:48   hypocritical was goes back when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4788">TS</a>]

01:19:51   complaining a lot about tivo and what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4791">TS</a>]

01:19:53   wanted was someone to make a box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4793">TS</a>]

01:19:56   it would be nice if it was apple that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4796">TS</a>]

01:19:57   sat on my TV and had a whole bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4797">TS</a>]

01:20:01   inputs took video from all the places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4801">TS</a>]

01:20:02   that I pay for stuff back in two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4802">TS</a>]

01:20:04   thousand and was like hey I pay for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4804">TS</a>]

01:20:05   cable and also pay for netflix and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4805">TS</a>]

01:20:08   also have a you know a blu-ray player or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4808">TS</a>]

01:20:10   Playstation you know all these different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4810">TS</a>]

01:20:12   places that i can get video into my TV i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4812">TS</a>]

01:20:15   would like all those inputs to go into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4815">TS</a>]

01:20:17   this thing that I called an omnivorous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4817">TS</a>]

01:20:19   box because it would assume anything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4819">TS</a>]

01:20:22   then I wanted one cable coming out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4822">TS</a>]

01:20:24   India I'm not nervous box into my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4824">TS</a>]

01:20:26   television and one remote that controls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4826">TS</a>]

01:20:27   the omniverse box and I would be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4827">TS</a>]

01:20:31   through a single interface have access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4831">TS</a>]

01:20:33   to all the video that i pay for to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4833">TS</a>]

01:20:35   for cable subscription cables TV shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4835">TS</a>]

01:20:37   they come on my tivo record them i want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4837">TS</a>]

01:20:40   access to all the shows both live and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4840">TS</a>]

01:20:42   recorded i pay for netflix and that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4842">TS</a>]

01:20:45   know there's a netflix client either on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4845">TS</a>]

01:20:47   my television or on their neighbors box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4847">TS</a>]

01:20:48   yourself or on apple TV or something i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4848">TS</a>]

01:20:50   want to be able to see that stuff i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4850">TS</a>]

01:20:52   a plaque server running and that's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4852">TS</a>]

01:20:54   know or ps3 media server back then and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4854">TS</a>]

01:20:57   that has the complaint files from a hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4857">TS</a>]

01:20:59   drive somewhere in my basement want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4859">TS</a>]

01:21:00   watch that kind as well I wanted to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4860">TS</a>]

01:21:02   one big unified interface so when I look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4862">TS</a>]

01:21:05   through the show's available for me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4865">TS</a>]

01:21:06   watch it does not express to me in any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4866">TS</a>]

01:21:08   way where this stuff comes from it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4868">TS</a>]

01:21:10   just like yes this video comes from many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4870">TS</a>]

01:21:12   different sources but I give you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4872">TS</a>]

01:21:13   unified interface to it's just a series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4873">TS</a>]

01:21:15   of things that you can watch things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4875">TS</a>]

01:21:17   might come on the future things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4877">TS</a>]

01:21:19   haven't come on come on the past things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4879">TS</a>]

01:21:21   you can stream right now just one big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4881">TS</a>]

01:21:23   continuous clean interface and that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4883">TS</a>]

01:21:25   super hard problem to solve because all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4885">TS</a>]

01:21:27   those people who distribute that content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4887">TS</a>]

01:21:29   cable companies netflix even like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4889">TS</a>]

01:21:32   ps3 media server people do not want you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4892">TS</a>]

01:21:34   to make that box they want you to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4894">TS</a>]

01:21:35   their box and their remote and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4895">TS</a>]

01:21:37   other stuff especially cable companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4897">TS</a>]

01:21:40   that making that box is would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4900">TS</a>]

01:21:43   finished difficult many companies try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4903">TS</a>]

01:21:45   google gave probably the best run but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4905">TS</a>]

01:21:47   it's absurd cool TV thing with the crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4907">TS</a>]

01:21:50   remote remember that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4910">TS</a>]

01:21:52   yep it was like to Google TV's ago I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4912">TS</a>]

01:21:54   forget which link yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4914">TS</a>]

01:21:55   I was remember that was one of the irish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4915">TS</a>]

01:21:57   myths that was gonna be on every TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4917">TS</a>]

01:21:58   right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4918">TS</a>]

01:21:59   no that was the second one this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4919">TS</a>]

01:22:01   before that yeah anyway it's a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4921">TS</a>]

01:22:04   hard problem both technically because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4924">TS</a>]

01:22:05   how would you even solve the technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4925">TS</a>]

01:22:07   problem and business-wise because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4927">TS</a>]

01:22:09   everybody who's injured whose input is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4929">TS</a>]

01:22:11   going into your nervous box does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4931">TS</a>]

01:22:13   want people to get their content through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4933">TS</a>]

01:22:15   your neighbors box and they will fight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4935">TS</a>]

01:22:16   you on it like they will make it so your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4936">TS</a>]

01:22:18   box stops working on purpose because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4938">TS</a>]

01:22:20   they don't want you to be the middleman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4940">TS</a>]

01:22:22   it's like no they don't want that at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4942">TS</a>]

01:22:25   and so no one ever did make that box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4945">TS</a>]

01:22:26   tivo came the closest because tivo get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4946">TS</a>]

01:22:29   takes the cable input because of cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4949">TS</a>]

01:22:31   card which is the thing that happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4951">TS</a>]

01:22:33   when there was a brief moment of semi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4953">TS</a>]

01:22:34   sanity and our lovemaking institutions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4954">TS</a>]

01:22:36   in this country that allowed third-party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4956">TS</a>]

01:22:39   products to accept cable signals with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4959">TS</a>]

01:22:41   some caveats so that's why I can even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4961">TS</a>]

01:22:43   use acute a tivo and why don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4963">TS</a>]

01:22:45   have a cable box so we could get cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4965">TS</a>]

01:22:46   television and record that and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4966">TS</a>]

01:22:48   eventually tivo added some fairly grim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4968">TS</a>]

01:22:51   streaming video clients their platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4971">TS</a>]

01:22:53   so you can watch netflix your tivo & [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4973">TS</a>]

01:22:55   amazon through your TiVo and all and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4975">TS</a>]

01:22:56   because the plex client i forget anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4976">TS</a>]

01:22:58   not quite omnivorous because you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4978">TS</a>]

01:23:01   watch itunes coming through there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4981">TS</a>]

01:23:03   you can't watch my blu-ray player [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4983">TS</a>]

01:23:05   through there and you know all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4985">TS</a>]

01:23:06   stuff like that so I'm never spoke never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4986">TS</a>]

01:23:08   came to be enter cabo with 2 a's and no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4988">TS</a>]

01:23:11   bar over any of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4991">TS</a>]

01:23:12   this is a set-top box that takes a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4992">TS</a>]

01:23:15   bunch of hdmi inputs and has one output [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4995">TS</a>]

01:23:17   and it tries to do something like what i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/4997">TS</a>]

01:23:21   described that you have one convo remote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5001">TS</a>]

01:23:25   he used that remote and with it you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5005">TS</a>]

01:23:28   see all the video that is available on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5008">TS</a>]

01:23:30   all the different devices that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5010">TS</a>]

01:23:31   plugged into it and you can watch video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5011">TS</a>]

01:23:33   friend of them any of them I it is not i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5013">TS</a>]

01:23:37   think really an omnivorous box because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5017">TS</a>]

01:23:39   one of my requirements from nervous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5019">TS</a>]

01:23:40   boxes that provides one interface it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5020">TS</a>]

01:23:43   doesn't make you have to be aware of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5023">TS</a>]

01:23:46   where stuff comes from and one of combos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5026">TS</a>]

01:23:49   primary interfaces is a series of boxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5029">TS</a>]

01:23:51   that say roku ps4 Amazon Apple TV Direct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5031">TS</a>]

01:23:55   TV like when I first saw it I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5035">TS</a>]

01:23:59   this is a glorified hdmi switcher it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5039">TS</a>]

01:24:02   like great all you're basically my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5042">TS</a>]

01:24:04   things go into one box and add that box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5044">TS</a>]

01:24:07   it connects your television [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5047">TS</a>]

01:24:08   and then when you turn on with the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5048">TS</a>]

01:24:09   remote you can pick which thing you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5049">TS</a>]

01:24:10   to do and then you just get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5050">TS</a>]

01:24:11   interface that thing that's not quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5051">TS</a>]

01:24:13   how it works will link in the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5053">TS</a>]

01:24:14   to this video from the verge which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5054">TS</a>]

01:24:17   very long kind of boring but just scrub [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5057">TS</a>]

01:24:18   through until you soon start actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5058">TS</a>]

01:24:19   using the device of the creators of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5059">TS</a>]

01:24:22   thing talking to her talking to walt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5062">TS</a>]

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01:24:27   his silly beard and someone else and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5067">TS</a>]

01:24:33   they give demos of the product and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5073">TS</a>]

01:24:34   tries to do more than that it tries to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5074">TS</a>]

01:24:36   give you an interface to all the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5076">TS</a>]

01:24:38   that are available on all the devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5078">TS</a>]

01:24:39   it's not particularly pretty to look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5079">TS</a>]

01:24:40   but it will try to say hey here is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5080">TS</a>]

01:24:43   show is available for you to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5083">TS</a>]

01:24:44   without expressing to where they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5084">TS</a>]

01:24:46   from it it has amazon echo integrations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5086">TS</a>]

01:24:51   they keep doing this demo of like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5091">TS</a>]

01:24:52   know watch stranger things and you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5092">TS</a>]

01:24:54   like a preference list of like when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5094">TS</a>]

01:24:56   say watch stranger things and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5096">TS</a>]

01:24:58   determine the stranger things that shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5098">TS</a>]

01:24:59   on netflix and i have three boxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5099">TS</a>]

01:25:01   connected that can all do netflix I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5101">TS</a>]

01:25:03   want you to prefer to use the apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5103">TS</a>]

01:25:05   for netflix for whatever reason so we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5105">TS</a>]

01:25:07   start playing stranger things from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5107">TS</a>]

01:25:09   netflix through the apple TV if you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5109">TS</a>]

01:25:12   watching my castle it will determine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5112">TS</a>]

01:25:14   that that is only on amazon and you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5114">TS</a>]

01:25:16   an amazon streaming thing connected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5116">TS</a>]

01:25:18   somewhere and so it will start playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5118">TS</a>]

01:25:19   it from that for you so the voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5119">TS</a>]

01:25:21   control interfaces like you know one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5121">TS</a>]

01:25:23   level up from what each of these devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5123">TS</a>]

01:25:25   do individually same thing with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5125">TS</a>]

01:25:27   remote remote you're controlling the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5127">TS</a>]

01:25:28   combobox the combo box is controlling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5128">TS</a>]

01:25:30   the inputs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5130">TS</a>]

01:25:31   I wonder how they're doing the unified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5131">TS</a>]

01:25:35   interface it doesn't look that great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5135">TS</a>]

01:25:37   it's mostly just text it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5137">TS</a>]

01:25:39   particularly rich interface if you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5139">TS</a>]

01:25:40   to go to the interface to any of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5140">TS</a>]

01:25:42   boxes or services it would look better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5142">TS</a>]

01:25:44   and have nice pictures and more metadata [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5144">TS</a>]

01:25:45   and stuff but at least at least they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5145">TS</a>]

01:25:49   trying i think this box faces the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5149">TS</a>]

01:25:52   challenges as a real omnivorous boxwood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5152">TS</a>]

01:25:54   and that the companies that they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5154">TS</a>]

01:25:56   sort of trying to insert themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5156">TS</a>]

01:25:59   between you know the customer and these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5159">TS</a>]

01:26:01   other boxes those boxes aren't going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5161">TS</a>]

01:26:03   like that and if they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5163">TS</a>]

01:26:04   intentionally break them they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5164">TS</a>]

01:26:05   accidentally break them especially if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5165">TS</a>]

01:26:06   their means of control involves I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5166">TS</a>]

01:26:08   like are they doing screen scraping are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5168">TS</a>]

01:26:11   they trying to use API is documented or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5171">TS</a>]

01:26:13   otherwise how are they even doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5173">TS</a>]

01:26:15   they have separate metadata somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5175">TS</a>]

01:26:17   that's like in the cloud so it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5177">TS</a>]

01:26:19   actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5179">TS</a>]

01:26:22   looking at the content or the hdmi think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5182">TS</a>]

01:26:23   so i don't know i don't know how they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5183">TS</a>]

01:26:25   doing it it doesn't look that impressive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5185">TS</a>]

01:26:26   but at least they're giving it up it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5186">TS</a>]

01:26:29   know giving it the old college try the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5189">TS</a>]

01:26:33   most interesting thing about this demo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5193">TS</a>]

01:26:35   are the things that are probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5195">TS</a>]

01:26:38   least technically cool in that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5198">TS</a>]

01:26:42   what calling as a glorified hdmi switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5202">TS</a>]

01:26:44   is kind of mean but calling a glorified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5204">TS</a>]

01:26:45   receiver less less mean but if you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5205">TS</a>]

01:26:50   you have a receiver or any other box it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5210">TS</a>]

01:26:51   takes a whole bunch of hdmi inputs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5211">TS</a>]

01:26:53   one output your television you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5213">TS</a>]

01:26:56   strangely one of the challenges is aside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5216">TS</a>]

01:26:59   from having a million different modes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5219">TS</a>]

01:27:00   and having to switch inputs that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5220">TS</a>]

01:27:03   that's cumbersome so one of the demos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5223">TS</a>]

01:27:04   they give is what if someone comes over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5224">TS</a>]

01:27:07   your house and they don't know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5227">TS</a>]

01:27:08   use the 17 remotes that are on your end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5228">TS</a>]

01:27:10   table right or even the one logitech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5230">TS</a>]

01:27:12   harmony remote that you have because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5232">TS</a>]

01:27:13   that is generally complicated an example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5233">TS</a>]

01:27:16   they gave the demos like what if someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5236">TS</a>]

01:27:19   comes out of your house and they see you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5239">TS</a>]

01:27:20   have a playstation 4 BC the controller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5240">TS</a>]

01:27:22   sitting on the end table and they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5242">TS</a>]

01:27:24   pick up the PlayStation control off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5244">TS</a>]

01:27:26   end table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5246">TS</a>]

01:27:26   nothing is you know you just come into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5246">TS</a>]

01:27:28   the room nothing is turned on and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5248">TS</a>]

01:27:29   pick up the PlayStation controller and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5249">TS</a>]

01:27:30   turn it on any reasonably good receive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5250">TS</a>]

01:27:33   your should be able to notice that hey I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5253">TS</a>]

01:27:37   was sitting here and everything is off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5257">TS</a>]

01:27:38   but i noticed that the PlayStation came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5258">TS</a>]

01:27:41   on and started sending video output so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5261">TS</a>]

01:27:44   am going to see some other thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5264">TS</a>]

01:27:46   supposed to work but doesn't turn on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5266">TS</a>]

01:27:47   your television switch the input to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5267">TS</a>]

01:27:51   you know switch my input as the receiver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5271">TS</a>]

01:27:52   whatever I'm to the ps4 thing and so now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5272">TS</a>]

01:27:54   merely by pressing the PlayStation on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5274">TS</a>]

01:27:57   button on the PlayStation controller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5277">TS</a>]

01:27:59   there it is on your screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5279">TS</a>]

01:28:02   you don't have to know oh if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5282">TS</a>]

01:28:03   play playstation pick up the receiver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5283">TS</a>]

01:28:05   remote switch the input number two then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5285">TS</a>]

01:28:06   turn on the tivo or then then turn on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5286">TS</a>]

01:28:08   the PlayStation make sure you do it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5288">TS</a>]

01:28:10   that order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5290">TS</a>]

01:28:10   if you want to hear it through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5290">TS</a>]

01:28:11   receiver speakers also turn the receiver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5291">TS</a>]

01:28:13   on but if you don't go through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5293">TS</a>]

01:28:14   television they probably know you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5294">TS</a>]

01:28:15   have to know how to do that and then if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5295">TS</a>]

01:28:17   someone comes along and they turn the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5297">TS</a>]

01:28:19   roku on it will notice even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5299">TS</a>]

01:28:21   playstation 4 is already on because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5301">TS</a>]

01:28:23   just activated the roku using the roku [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5303">TS</a>]

01:28:25   remote because maybe all you know is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5305">TS</a>]

01:28:26   Roku but you know to help his capital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5306">TS</a>]

01:28:28   thing is you don't know the place in UCL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5308">TS</a>]

01:28:29   Roker about I work with and you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5309">TS</a>]

01:28:31   turn the roku [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5311">TS</a>]

01:28:32   one-two combo box will see it well even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5312">TS</a>]

01:28:35   though playstation is on someone just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5315">TS</a>]

01:28:38   turned the rocker arms i'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5318">TS</a>]

01:28:39   switch the roku input and let you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5319">TS</a>]

01:28:40   control it with the roku remote that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5320">TS</a>]

01:28:43   type of functionality should be in every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5323">TS</a>]

01:28:44   decent receiver and probably isn't a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5324">TS</a>]

01:28:46   of decent receivers but to me that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5326">TS</a>]

01:28:49   the most impressive because it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5329">TS</a>]

01:28:50   yes that's how r receiver should work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5330">TS</a>]

01:28:53   and I'm glad that someone that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5333">TS</a>]

01:28:56   realized this and tried to build it into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5336">TS</a>]

01:28:57   a box so I i start off thinking this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5337">TS</a>]

01:28:59   a glorified hdmi switcher receiver and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5339">TS</a>]

01:29:02   ended up thinking this is a really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5342">TS</a>]

01:29:04   hdmi switcher / receiver now but not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5344">TS</a>]

01:29:08   bad news the bad news is it's four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5348">TS</a>]

01:29:11   hundred dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5351">TS</a>]

01:29:12   alright and this forty dollars does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5352">TS</a>]

01:29:15   include any of the boxes that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5355">TS</a>]

01:29:16   connect to it which doesnt a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5356">TS</a>]

01:29:18   because i already have a million TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5358">TS</a>]

01:29:19   boxes but like the ideas you buy this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5359">TS</a>]

01:29:21   box you and it's like you get nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5361">TS</a>]

01:29:22   it's like it's like buying a technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5362">TS</a>]

01:29:24   with the discs in it's like yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5364">TS</a>]

01:29:26   there it's ready for you to plug things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5366">TS</a>]

01:29:27   into but it's no good to you until you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5367">TS</a>]

01:29:29   plug-in puts into it so four hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5369">TS</a>]

01:29:32   dollars and then hundred dollars for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5372">TS</a>]

01:29:35   every box depending on what am I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5375">TS</a>]

01:29:36   the apple ones are expensive you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5376">TS</a>]

01:29:37   sixty dollars for chromecast six dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5377">TS</a>]

01:29:40   for cheap recall roku hundred dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5380">TS</a>]

01:29:42   for a good one whatever but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5382">TS</a>]

01:29:44   already have all those boxes and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5384">TS</a>]

01:29:46   if you don't have a receiver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5386">TS</a>]

01:29:48   oh and also it's pretty big and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5388">TS</a>]

01:29:49   weird it would and it's probably not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5389">TS</a>]

01:29:51   going to be available to consumers until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5391">TS</a>]

01:29:53   2018 so always caveat besides all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5393">TS</a>]

01:29:56   head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5396">TS</a>]

01:29:57   it's great yeah that they're gonna sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5397">TS</a>]

01:29:58   5,000 sometime this year you can pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5398">TS</a>]

01:30:01   three different kinds of wood three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5401">TS</a>]

01:30:03   different kinds of ugly would be on top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5403">TS</a>]

01:30:04   of it don't now that you told me that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5404">TS</a>]

01:30:06   man you're really doing a great job of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5406">TS</a>]

01:30:08   selling this to I know yeah I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5408">TS</a>]

01:30:10   think this product is really going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5410">TS</a>]

01:30:11   anywhere but I was excited by the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5411">TS</a>]

01:30:13   that someone is tackled some of the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5413">TS</a>]

01:30:16   basic problems of this terrible terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5416">TS</a>]

01:30:17   television age we live in where we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5417">TS</a>]

01:30:19   have way too many pucks or other kinds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5419">TS</a>]

01:30:23   of boxes connected to our televisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5423">TS</a>]

01:30:25   and very frequently watching any video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5425">TS</a>]

01:30:30   content involved switching inputs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5430">TS</a>]

01:30:32   possibly also fishing remotes and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5432">TS</a>]

01:30:35   the solutions that try to make it easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5435">TS</a>]

01:30:36   are bad in some way including this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5436">TS</a>]

01:30:38   but in the absence of a true omnivorous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5438">TS</a>]

01:30:41   box which can probably never exist the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5441">TS</a>]

01:30:43   same region open doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5443">TS</a>]

01:30:44   we never exist business reasons on top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5444">TS</a>]

01:30:46   of technical reasons equals death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5446">TS</a>]

01:30:48   I i like the fact that someone is trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5448">TS</a>]

01:30:53   to push the envelope forward and help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5453">TS</a>]

01:30:55   somebody buys this company and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5455">TS</a>]

01:30:57   incorporates they're good ideas into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5457">TS</a>]

01:30:58   their own products like tivo I assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5458">TS</a>]

01:31:00   now there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5460">TS</a>]

01:31:02   come on come on I just want to stay in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5462">TS</a>]

01:31:06   business they're not by anybody please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5466">TS</a>]

01:31:08   do not waste your money buying these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5468">TS</a>]

01:31:09   people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5469">TS</a>]

01:31:09   well I want to buy them make their apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5469">TS</a>]

01:31:13   TV better Apple gonna make a box like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5473">TS</a>]

01:31:15   this across the neverwood but like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5475">TS</a>]

01:31:17   type of the type of functionality of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5477">TS</a>]

01:31:18   just like can we stop people from having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5478">TS</a>]

01:31:20   to do a switch inputs that would be good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5480">TS</a>]

01:31:23   like can't just do what I mean you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5483">TS</a>]

01:31:26   notice because i turn the PlayStation on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5486">TS</a>]

01:31:27   it probably want to play with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5487">TS</a>]

01:31:28   playstation just switched and put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5488">TS</a>]

01:31:29   automatically nice thanks for three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5489">TS</a>]

01:31:33   sponsors this week 0 square space and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5493">TS</a>]

01:31:36   Kingdom and we'll see you next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5496">TS</a>]

01:31:38   now the show is over they didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5498">TS</a>]

01:31:44   mean to be in because it was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5504">TS</a>]

01:31:47   death was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5507">TS</a>]

01:31:50   John did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5510">TS</a>]

01:31:52   research Marco in kc would let him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5512">TS</a>]

01:31:56   because it was accidentally was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5516">TS</a>]

01:31:59   accidental and you can find the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5519">TS</a>]

01:32:03   know today p dot and if twitter follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5523">TS</a>]

01:32:11   them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5531">TS</a>]

01:32:12   s/he yl ISS so that's Casey list and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5532">TS</a>]

01:32:17   co-pay rm20 Marco Arment and our AC AC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5537">TS</a>]

01:32:26   recuse it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5546">TS</a>]

01:32:34   what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5554">TS</a>]

01:32:39   we have an odd note in the show notes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5559">TS</a>]

01:32:44   says John's Mac throws some more ram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5564">TS</a>]

01:32:49   with more in parentheses to ya throws in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5569">TS</a>]

01:32:53   there's the failure throws as in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5573">TS</a>]

01:32:57   ejected it it's a bit like a loogie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5577">TS</a>]

01:33:00   across the room kind of exception [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5580">TS</a>]

01:33:01   handling we've talked about this before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5581">TS</a>]

01:33:04   that's why this is this is a second the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5584">TS</a>]

01:33:06   second time this has happened i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5586">TS</a>]

01:33:07   i'm gonna run of ATP and i think i use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5587">TS</a>]

01:33:09   the same language last time the analogy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5589">TS</a>]

01:33:11   in trying to make here and failing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5591">TS</a>]

01:33:13   obviously is when a horse throws a shoe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5593">TS</a>]

01:33:15   you know that expression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5595">TS</a>]

01:33:16   mhm yeah it you know i was raised in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5596">TS</a>]

01:33:18   ohio where we had lots of horses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5598">TS</a>]

01:33:20   no I what no I don't know what that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5600">TS</a>]

01:33:22   means horse throws a shoe my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5602">TS</a>]

01:33:24   understanding I was not raised with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5604">TS</a>]

01:33:25   horses easier either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5605">TS</a>]

01:33:26   disclaimer disclaimer disclaimer you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5606">TS</a>]

01:33:28   know you tortures you know the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5608">TS</a>]

01:33:30   metal bendy u-shaped things you put on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5610">TS</a>]

01:33:32   those the body and yeah i know that part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5612">TS</a>]

01:33:34   at least yeah and they're attached [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5614">TS</a>]

01:33:35   somehow with like these weird-looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5615">TS</a>]

01:33:37   spikes or nails or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5617">TS</a>]

01:33:39   it's scary and I don't understand it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5619">TS</a>]

01:33:40   anyway the horses galloping along those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5620">TS</a>]

01:33:43   little metal u-shaped things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5623">TS</a>]

01:33:45   supposed to say on the bottom of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5625">TS</a>]

01:33:46   little feets but sometimes when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5626">TS</a>]

01:33:48   galloping along one of them goes flying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5628">TS</a>]

01:33:50   off the foot and that's bad because now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5630">TS</a>]

01:33:52   your horses lost a shoe and it needs it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5632">TS</a>]

01:33:55   to walk comfortably where the horses are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5635">TS</a>]

01:33:58   for and it's throwing isn't like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5638">TS</a>]

01:34:00   could go flying because as the horses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5640">TS</a>]

01:34:01   galloping the shoe goes flying so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5641">TS</a>]

01:34:03   basically wild like doing something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5643">TS</a>]

01:34:05   strenuous like encoding a video your mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5645">TS</a>]

01:34:07   pro forcefully ejected one of its ram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5647">TS</a>]

01:34:10   sticks from its lot that's what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5650">TS</a>]

01:34:11   hearing or not strenuous as the case may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5651">TS</a>]

01:34:14   be so my mac pro is very old the ramp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5654">TS</a>]

01:34:16   it's also very old is 2008 mac pro now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5656">TS</a>]

01:34:20   it is a good solid eight years old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5660">TS</a>]

01:34:22   pushing up on 9a forget when i bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5662">TS</a>]

01:34:24   the thing throwing some ram means i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5664">TS</a>]

01:34:28   86 of ramen there and every once in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5668">TS</a>]

01:34:31   awhile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5671">TS</a>]

01:34:32   what should stop working and it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5672">TS</a>]

01:34:35   my horse threw a shoe my macbook pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5675">TS</a>]

01:34:37   through some ram so I came in the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5677">TS</a>]

01:34:38   day and tried to wake my macpro from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5678">TS</a>]

01:34:40   sleep and the fans spin up at the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5680">TS</a>]

01:34:43   did not turn on and the power light on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5683">TS</a>]

01:34:45   the front of my macpro was blinking in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5685">TS</a>]

01:34:47   very concerning way and unlike later Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5687">TS</a>]

01:34:51   Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5691">TS</a>]

01:34:52   including even the 2009 but I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5692">TS</a>]

01:34:53   how far they went my mac does not have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5693">TS</a>]

01:34:57   little set of red leds on the banks of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5697">TS</a>]

01:34:59   dims to tell you which ones are bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5699">TS</a>]

01:35:02   all I knew is that I had a computer with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5702">TS</a>]

01:35:05   eight games of ram onto daughter cards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5705">TS</a>]

01:35:07   for NH that would not boot it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5707">TS</a>]

01:35:11   wouldn't post wouldn't do the chime when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5711">TS</a>]

01:35:13   do anything because you know this is bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5713">TS</a>]

01:35:15   around there and this has happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5715">TS</a>]

01:35:17   before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5717">TS</a>]

01:35:18   multiple times I think I brought up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5718">TS</a>]

01:35:19   case he had bad around that I had a WC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5719">TS</a>]

01:35:22   ramen my thing and that despite the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5722">TS</a>]

01:35:24   that my computer is so many years old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5724">TS</a>]

01:35:26   every time it throws throws a dim if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5726">TS</a>]

01:35:29   it's a no wc1 that is the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5729">TS</a>]

01:35:31   I just call them up and they sent me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5731">TS</a>]

01:35:32   new one and it would be better if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5732">TS</a>]

01:35:35   didn't break but after eight years to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5735">TS</a>]

01:35:37   throw the dim and I get a new one for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5737">TS</a>]

01:35:39   free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5739">TS</a>]

01:35:40   I still consider that pretty amazing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5740">TS</a>]

01:35:43   in the the age of like you know two year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5743">TS</a>]

01:35:45   warranties and hard drives or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5745">TS</a>]

01:35:47   so I had a fun afternoon of unseating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5747">TS</a>]

01:35:53   daughter cards removing dims putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5753">TS</a>]

01:35:55   them back in every valid configuration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5755">TS</a>]

01:35:58   to by process of elimination find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5758">TS</a>]

01:36:00   pair of them that they have to be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5760">TS</a>]

01:36:02   Paris find the match pair of games that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5762">TS</a>]

01:36:04   don't work and even with the parents all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5764">TS</a>]

01:36:06   I can tell you is that one of the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5766">TS</a>]

01:36:07   doesn't work out or they might both be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5767">TS</a>]

01:36:09   bad so eventually after many many boots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5769">TS</a>]

01:36:12   and and I'm good at this now many many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5772">TS</a>]

01:36:14   sizes of seating and seeing which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5774">TS</a>]

01:36:17   actually kind of satisfying with little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5777">TS</a>]

01:36:18   clips that have them and everything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5778">TS</a>]

01:36:19   how you shoved them in eventually did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5779">TS</a>]

01:36:23   find the pair of games that was bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5783">TS</a>]

01:36:26   they were already see dims and I am they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5786">TS</a>]

01:36:29   are sending the new ones for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5789">TS</a>]

01:36:32   nice so I'm down I'm down the other two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5792">TS</a>]

01:36:36   gigs or four gigs of ram right now still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5796">TS</a>]

01:36:39   doing okay let's see what I got here 14 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5799">TS</a>]

01:36:42   gigs of ram so i should have 18 sigh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5802">TS</a>]

01:36:44   come down for ok dear apple if if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5804">TS</a>]

01:36:48   are still listening to this somehow for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5808">TS</a>]

01:36:50   some reason please put this computer out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5810">TS</a>]

01:36:54   of its misery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5814">TS</a>]

01:36:54   give John a new mac pro two x so he can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5814">TS</a>]

01:36:58   finally stop using this ancient one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5818">TS</a>]

01:37:01   please attend the terror that fills my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5821">TS</a>]

01:37:03   heart when I think is the time that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5823">TS</a>]

01:37:05   it's like that is just dead like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5825">TS</a>]

01:37:06   motherboard is dead you know that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5826">TS</a>]

01:37:08   just not going to boot right because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5828">TS</a>]

01:37:10   then I think about like I would have I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5830">TS</a>]

01:37:12   don't have to buy an imac or should I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5832">TS</a>]

01:37:14   just like buy the cheapest laptop i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5834">TS</a>]

01:37:15   do or what I do with all my data I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5835">TS</a>]

01:37:17   it's terrifying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5837">TS</a>]

01:37:19   so what you know I was afraid I got down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5839">TS</a>]

01:37:21   to this point where I was like maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5841">TS</a>]

01:37:23   just not going to boot because I got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5843">TS</a>]

01:37:24   down to like just just two dimms you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5844">TS</a>]

01:37:27   know that the 210 configuration of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5847">TS</a>]

01:37:29   two that i thought were like the newest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5849">TS</a>]

01:37:31   and most reliable ram and it still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5851">TS</a>]

01:37:32   wouldn't boot and the trick i learned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5852">TS</a>]

01:37:35   this time is occasionally also need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5855">TS</a>]

01:37:36   do an smc reset to make it happy not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5856">TS</a>]

01:37:39   small-time but occasionally because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5859">TS</a>]

01:37:41   was in one ram configuration and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5861">TS</a>]

01:37:43   would not boot and then I did an smc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5863">TS</a>]

01:37:45   reset and it did boot with the same ram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5865">TS</a>]

01:37:46   configuration and so once I learned that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5866">TS</a>]

01:37:48   trick that was the easy way to make sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5868">TS</a>]

01:37:50   i was you know actually testing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5870">TS</a>]

01:37:53   games and I eventually did narrow down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5873">TS</a>]

01:37:55   and found the two that were bed so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5875">TS</a>]

01:37:57   look I've gotten my thing in one bank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5877">TS</a>]

01:38:00   I've got two gig to gig for gig for gig [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5880">TS</a>]

01:38:02   and the other bank i have one big one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5882">TS</a>]

01:38:03   big empty empty such a motley collection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5883">TS</a>]

01:38:05   of ram some of it Apple somewhat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5885">TS</a>]

01:38:08   purchase from owc in like three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5888">TS</a>]

01:38:09   different shipments that some of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5889">TS</a>]

01:38:12   replaced over time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5892">TS</a>]

01:38:13   yeah my word Oh kill this machine though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5893">TS</a>]

01:38:17   takes a lickin and keeps on ticking ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5897">TS</a>]

01:38:20   please Apple please just let John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5900">TS</a>]

01:38:23   replace this please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5903">TS</a>]

01:38:24   well it was like it's going to show up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5904">TS</a>]

01:38:26   slower than the apple watch but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5906">TS</a>]

01:38:28   again yeah exactly like by the time the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5908">TS</a>]

01:38:31   new by the time the new Mac Pro comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5911">TS</a>]

01:38:33   out if it ever does your mac pro is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5913">TS</a>]

01:38:36   probably going to be slower than every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5916">TS</a>]

01:38:38   mac for sale at that time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5918">TS</a>]

01:38:39   oh I'm iOS devices i think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5919">TS</a>]

01:38:41   iphone is already faster but it isn't i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5921">TS</a>]

01:38:43   believe at least is single threaded pass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5923">TS</a>]

01:38:45   that I think two generations ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5925">TS</a>]

01:38:46   multi-threaded I think it still hasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5926">TS</a>]

01:38:48   but it's close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5928">TS</a>]

01:38:50   yes i'm saying i'm gonna watch for those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5930">TS</a>]

01:38:51   four the watch to start lapping me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5931">TS</a>]

01:38:53   yeah i mean at least if you limit just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5933">TS</a>]

01:38:56   single performance it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5936">TS</a>]

01:38:57   you're really looking bad compared to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5937">TS</a>]

01:39:00   all the iOS device but I had more ran [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5940">TS</a>]

01:39:03   the iOS devices and have a one terabyte [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5943">TS</a>]

01:39:04   of flash storage so take that iOS yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5944">TS</a>]

01:39:07   but they're am works all the time who 64 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5947">TS</a>]

01:39:10   well you don't know that until you use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5950">TS</a>]

01:39:11   it for eight years of the ram doing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5951">TS</a>]

01:39:14   that iphone after eight years after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5954">TS</a>]

01:39:16   eight years that thing won't even turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5956">TS</a>]

01:39:17   on it's not plugged in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5957">TS</a>]

01:39:18   yeah I'm sorry to hear that someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5958">TS</a>]

01:39:21   who's lived through ram problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5961">TS</a>]

01:39:22   recently that is no fun and i feel you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5962">TS</a>]

01:39:25   see how much quicker i diagnosed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5965">TS</a>]

01:39:27   dealt with it rather than the rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5967">TS</a>]

01:39:28   than like pretending it doesn't exist i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5968">TS</a>]

01:39:30   guess you can pretend business when your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5970">TS</a>]

01:39:31   machine doesn't boot but addressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5971">TS</a>]

01:39:33   immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5973">TS</a>]

01:39:34   problem solved and also that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5974">TS</a>]

01:39:37   audience he wasn't open like their phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5977">TS</a>]

01:39:39   line wasn't going to just call them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5979">TS</a>]

01:39:41   deal with the nice people there and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5981">TS</a>]

01:39:42   read them I serial numbers and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5982">TS</a>]

01:39:43   like okay well Senor ramp I did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5983">TS</a>]

01:39:45   through chat which it worked fine like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5985">TS</a>]

01:39:47   is their phone lines were nothing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5987">TS</a>]

01:39:49   the chat was but chat i find infuriating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5989">TS</a>]

01:39:51   a customer support chat because I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5991">TS</a>]

01:39:55   know why take so long for there to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5995">TS</a>]

01:39:57   response because like hello my name is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5997">TS</a>]

01:39:59   blah blah how can I help you and then i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/5999">TS</a>]

01:40:01   pasted in my prepared sense of what my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6001">TS</a>]

01:40:03   problem is that is formatted in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6003">TS</a>]

01:40:05   formatted in a way that I notice will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6005">TS</a>]

01:40:08   no follow-up questions that contains all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6008">TS</a>]

01:40:10   the information appears here is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6010">TS</a>]

01:40:14   problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6014">TS</a>]

01:40:14   here's why I think this is helping how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6014">TS</a>]

01:40:16   long does it take you to compose that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6016">TS</a>]

01:40:17   sense three days i can do it on the fly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6017">TS</a>]

01:40:19   was it's very easy very concise right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6019">TS</a>]

01:40:21   but it contains all the information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6021">TS</a>]

01:40:22   right but here's here's my problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6022">TS</a>]

01:40:25   here's why I know it's my problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6025">TS</a>]

01:40:26   putting enough information to let them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6026">TS</a>]

01:40:28   know they don't need to take me through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6028">TS</a>]

01:40:29   troubleshooting steps and crap right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6029">TS</a>]

01:40:31   here's what I want to happen i want you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6031">TS</a>]

01:40:32   to send me new ramp right like it in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6032">TS</a>]

01:40:34   nice way but like all the information is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6034">TS</a>]

01:40:36   there and then you wait literally 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6036">TS</a>]

01:40:38   minutes for the reply and the reply is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6038">TS</a>]

01:40:41   can you give me the order number serial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6041">TS</a>]

01:40:44   number of our blog which of course i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6044">TS</a>]

01:40:45   have ready for them but I didn't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6045">TS</a>]

01:40:46   confuse them within the original message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6046">TS</a>]

01:40:47   and paste that in but by 10 more minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6047">TS</a>]

01:40:51   ten more minutes of that chat window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6051">TS</a>]

01:40:52   just off the side to the credit of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6052">TS</a>]

01:40:54   chat thing in WC it has like a child let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6054">TS</a>]

01:40:56   you know in their reply because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6056">TS</a>]

01:40:57   can't be sitting there waiting like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6057">TS</a>]

01:40:58   there's not even a typing indicator like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6058">TS</a>]

01:41:01   just just 10 minutes like they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6061">TS</a>]

01:41:03   chatting with their friends that they go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6063">TS</a>]

01:41:04   for a coffee break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6064">TS</a>]

01:41:06   they're surely not spending this time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6066">TS</a>]

01:41:07   typing especially for the first message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6067">TS</a>]

01:41:09   there was no things and looking up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6069">TS</a>]

01:41:11   the system of the system is slow we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6071">TS</a>]

01:41:12   looking at the order they didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6072">TS</a>]

01:41:13   have my order number at that point I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6073">TS</a>]

01:41:15   just told them what the situation is bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6075">TS</a>]

01:41:17   ram want new ram here's how I know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6077">TS</a>]

01:41:19   bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6079">TS</a>]

01:41:20   don't ask me to blow the dust out of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6080">TS</a>]

01:41:22   socket basically like you know 10-minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6082">TS</a>]

01:41:25   replying that and then so it just took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6085">TS</a>]

01:41:27   it an incredible amount of time but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6087">TS</a>]

01:41:29   during that time I was like present ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6089">TS</a>]

01:41:31   we didn't bring Twitter while waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6091">TS</a>]

01:41:32   while waiting for them to reply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6092">TS</a>]

01:41:33   sometimes I forgot that I was still in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6093">TS</a>]

01:41:34   the middle of the chat like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6094">TS</a>]

01:41:36   it's long when you forgotten like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6096">TS</a>]

01:41:37   little boot goes off like oh that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6097">TS</a>]

01:41:38   right I my customers a partnership to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6098">TS</a>]

01:41:41   get new ram so hopefully that will be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6101">TS</a>]

01:41:44   the way soon i'm surprised at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6104">TS</a>]

01:41:46   you don't just call them up on the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6106">TS</a>]

01:41:47   and just be like hey it's me again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6107">TS</a>]

01:41:49   they're like all right how big to big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6109">TS</a>]

01:41:51   good to all right just send it out yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6111">TS</a>]

01:41:53   i mean like if they feel they have his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6113">TS</a>]

01:41:55   lifetime or maybe they'll don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6115">TS</a>]

01:41:56   don't realize you by random odbc like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6116">TS</a>]

01:41:59   it goes bad they'll just keep replacing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6119">TS</a>]

01:42:00   it forever like I think that's how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6120">TS</a>]

01:42:02   works like you do have to pay to ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6122">TS</a>]

01:42:04   your old room back to them but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6124">TS</a>]

01:42:06   cheap it's very lightweight right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6126">TS</a>]

01:42:07   it's a couple bucks to ship over and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6127">TS</a>]

01:42:09   that is why by the way I saved the boxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6129">TS</a>]

01:42:11   I never throw out the boxes the new ram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6131">TS</a>]

01:42:12   comes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6132">TS</a>]

01:42:13   I just you know i'll just keep going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6133">TS</a>]

01:42:16   keep getting ram forever for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6136">TS</a>]

01:42:17   machine and it's fine with me write it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6137">TS</a>]

01:42:19   and I think it's like every every two or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6139">TS</a>]

01:42:21   three years that throws a dim and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6141">TS</a>]

01:42:23   know I'm okay with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6143">TS</a>]

01:42:25   it's like cases a BMW every once in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6145">TS</a>]

01:42:27   while you know 6,000 miles the water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6147">TS</a>]

01:42:28   pump to go like okay so it would be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6148">TS</a>]

01:42:31   after two years you just lost two cpus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6151">TS</a>]

01:42:33   well the CPUC that's what I'm always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6153">TS</a>]

01:42:36   afraid I mean ram like I could just say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6156">TS</a>]

01:42:38   I'm always afraid that the slots are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6158">TS</a>]

01:42:40   gonna go bad like that but even if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6160">TS</a>]

01:42:41   did I can get by with 14 gigs ram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6161">TS</a>]

01:42:43   instead of 18 like I'm okay I've had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6163">TS</a>]

01:42:45   such a motley collection of rams machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6165">TS</a>]

01:42:47   like weird amounts and weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6167">TS</a>]

01:42:49   combinations is but as long as on as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6169">TS</a>]

01:42:52   long as I'm in the team's I'm okay for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6172">TS</a>]

01:42:53   what I do with this neck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6173">TS</a>]

01:42:55   it's just I'm trying to predict like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6175">TS</a>]

01:42:58   during which year will you stop using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6178">TS</a>]

01:43:00   this mac with it when it dies that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6180">TS</a>]

01:43:04   stop me right so it actually dies what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6184">TS</a>]

01:43:06   am I going to do but if it doesn't dive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6186">TS</a>]

01:43:08   my current plan is look this is the year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6188">TS</a>]

01:43:10   way to wwc there's still no mac pro for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6190">TS</a>]

01:43:13   it's an iMac pro either way like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6193">TS</a>]

01:43:15   a macpro maybe maybe not but if there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6195">TS</a>]

01:43:18   no mac pro then I'm getting an imac and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6198">TS</a>]

01:43:20   if there's an imac pro I'm getting an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6200">TS</a>]

01:43:22   imac pro so my wife's want to just get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6202">TS</a>]

01:43:24   an imac now it's like I'm resigned to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6204">TS</a>]

01:43:26   the fact that i'm going to buy something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6206">TS</a>]

01:43:27   that looks for all the world like a 5pm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6207">TS</a>]

01:43:29   I can pretty much okay without having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6209">TS</a>]

01:43:30   used her as a lot of whatever they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6210">TS</a>]

01:43:32   not going to make it active anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6212">TS</a>]

01:43:33   what the hell can I do the next best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6213">TS</a>]

01:43:34   thing is the 5k I'll be okay with it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6214">TS</a>]

01:43:37   i'm not going to buy and now i have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6217">TS</a>]

01:43:39   wait to see it w see what the thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6219">TS</a>]

01:43:41   is there going to be another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6221">TS</a>]

01:43:43   Mac Pro is there going to be a special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6223">TS</a>]

01:43:44   imac for pros either called I mac pro or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6224">TS</a>]

01:43:47   not that's when I make my buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6227">TS</a>]

01:43:49   decision but the thing of it is is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6229">TS</a>]

01:43:51   had a new mac pro what was it 15 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6231">TS</a>]

01:43:54   ago now when when the trashcan came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6234">TS</a>]

01:43:56   you had a new mac pro and you didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6236">TS</a>]

01:43:58   want that one so what makes you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6238">TS</a>]

01:44:00   you're going to suddenly decide that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6240">TS</a>]

01:44:02   this one is ok if i have to reconsider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6242">TS</a>]

01:44:04   well the problem with knowing what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6244">TS</a>]

01:44:05   know now is I also know about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6245">TS</a>]

01:44:07   reliability issues of that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6247">TS</a>]

01:44:09   like when it came out the reason i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6249">TS</a>]

01:44:11   didn't buy it was like well is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6251">TS</a>]

01:44:13   doesn't quite suit my needs like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6253">TS</a>]

01:44:15   think that much cpu and GPU is aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6255">TS</a>]

01:44:17   that great and it's super expensive and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6257">TS</a>]

01:44:18   so on and so forth but all our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6258">TS</a>]

01:44:20   conversations about that for with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6260">TS</a>]

01:44:22   expectation that they'll wait for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6262">TS</a>]

01:44:24   next Mac Pro like when they revise it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6264">TS</a>]

01:44:26   right like and it wasn't such a crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6266">TS</a>]

01:44:28   assumption i thought that happen maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6268">TS</a>]

01:44:30   they even did it for the cheese graters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6270">TS</a>]

01:44:32   even like that you know the fake new one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6272">TS</a>]

01:44:34   for the show was founded on like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6274">TS</a>]

01:44:36   still a revision it was still like bait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6276">TS</a>]

01:44:37   they change some stuff I none of us I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6277">TS</a>]

01:44:40   think could have predicted like there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6280">TS</a>]

01:44:42   were literally not release another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6282">TS</a>]

01:44:44   version of the machine-like ever like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6284">TS</a>]

01:44:47   just no no I forgot one here to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6287">TS</a>]

01:44:49   through it like they just won't do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6289">TS</a>]

01:44:50   and that was not in my head so it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6290">TS</a>]

01:44:52   me passing on that mac pro feel like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6292">TS</a>]

01:44:54   know it's the first one like wait for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6294">TS</a>]

01:44:56   the second division i kinda like a dude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6296">TS</a>]

01:44:57   with the five-time accident by the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6297">TS</a>]

01:44:59   one like marketed or even those good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6299">TS</a>]

01:45:00   machine like the second one came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6300">TS</a>]

01:45:01   okay this is the one to get it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6301">TS</a>]

01:45:03   like it's you know everything settled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6303">TS</a>]

01:45:04   down there's no big problems got the p3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6304">TS</a>]

01:45:06   screen that's totally what i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6306">TS</a>]

01:45:08   expecting to do with trash can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6308">TS</a>]

01:45:09   they just never made another one and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6309">TS</a>]

01:45:11   you know what can you do you make any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6311">TS</a>]

01:45:15   progress in your car decision we heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6315">TS</a>]

01:45:18   we had a lot of feedback on that my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6318">TS</a>]

01:45:20   lovely if I love sweetheart can I kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6320">TS</a>]

01:45:22   of do this for you Casey please Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6322">TS</a>]

01:45:25   wants a stick shift that was apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6325">TS</a>]

01:45:27   not emphasize enough in the past show in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6327">TS</a>]

01:45:30   the past 18 shows and the entire run of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6330">TS</a>]

01:45:33   neutral right if I he hasn't been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6333">TS</a>]

01:45:35   keeping it a secret but people keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6335">TS</a>]

01:45:36   forgetting keep forgetting or people say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6336">TS</a>]

01:45:39   I know you said you wanted to stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6339">TS</a>]

01:45:40   shift but if you considered not a stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6340">TS</a>]

01:45:41   shift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6341">TS</a>]

01:45:42   yeah consider that case you considered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6342">TS</a>]

01:45:44   not a stick shift because i know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6344">TS</a>]

01:45:45   said you wanted one but think about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6345">TS</a>]

01:45:46   not oh you really put that when you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6346">TS</a>]

01:45:51   it that way I see so not a stick shift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6351">TS</a>]

01:45:54   that's that what you're saying not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6354">TS</a>]

01:45:55   thing i want right also a pretty close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6355">TS</a>]

01:45:58   number two on that list was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6358">TS</a>]

01:46:00   front-wheel drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6360">TS</a>]

01:46:02   mmhmm yeah a lot of people say no you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6362">TS</a>]

01:46:06   see you don't worry about that don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6366">TS</a>]

01:46:07   worry about a stick shift worry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6367">TS</a>]

01:46:08   front-wheel-drive you know I got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6368">TS</a>]

01:46:09   perfect front-wheel-drive battleship in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6369">TS</a>]

01:46:13   car for you that you're looking alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6373">TS</a>]

01:46:15   that seems like that's exactly your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6375">TS</a>]

01:46:17   criteria [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6377">TS</a>]

01:46:18   I mean everything exactly as they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6378">TS</a>]

01:46:19   they were arguing you know they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6379">TS</a>]

01:46:21   saying most people like yeah some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6381">TS</a>]

01:46:23   just plain forgot because i was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6383">TS</a>]

01:46:24   they were doing a whole email about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6384">TS</a>]

01:46:26   the car you should get but other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6386">TS</a>]

01:46:28   pitching you're saying here's why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6388">TS</a>]

01:46:30   should consider four-wheel-drive it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6390">TS</a>]

01:46:31   not your father's from blah blah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6391">TS</a>]

01:46:33   mostly respect those pitches but maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6393">TS</a>]

01:46:35   they just don't know your stubbornness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6395">TS</a>]

01:46:37   now would you call that an elevator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6397">TS</a>]

01:46:39   pitch or an escalator pitch called an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6399">TS</a>]

01:46:42   email pitch and I think people need some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6402">TS</a>]

01:46:44   have said oh I have to think a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6404">TS</a>]

01:46:46   people made good arguments like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6406">TS</a>]

01:46:48   were going to try to talk you out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6408">TS</a>]

01:46:50   yeah stick shift or we will drive people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6410">TS</a>]

01:46:52   had some good arguments based on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6412">TS</a>]

01:46:54   actual experiences driving these cars so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6414">TS</a>]

01:46:56   I think there was a good quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6416">TS</a>]

01:46:57   feedback in there but i'm not sure how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6417">TS</a>]

01:46:58   much help you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6418">TS</a>]

01:46:59   my other favorite was everyone in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6419">TS</a>]

01:47:02   entire world i counted it's true telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6422">TS</a>]

01:47:05   me you should buy WRX in fact in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6425">TS</a>]

01:47:07   chat room as we speak two different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6427">TS</a>]

01:47:09   individuals are telling me to buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6429">TS</a>]

01:47:12   subaru WRX no I want allow it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6432">TS</a>]

01:47:15   no well so here's the thing like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6435">TS</a>]

01:47:16   tweeted within a day of the show coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6436">TS</a>]

01:47:19   out because I was already getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6439">TS</a>]

01:47:20   inundated by it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6440">TS</a>]

01:47:22   two things I said you know number one I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6442">TS</a>]

01:47:25   think the WRX isn't classy enough I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6445">TS</a>]

01:47:29   want something that's a little bit less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6449">TS</a>]

01:47:30   boy racer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6450">TS</a>]

01:47:31   secondly this is my past subaru and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6451">TS</a>]

01:47:35   a picture of my legacy GT now this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6455">TS</a>]

01:47:37   after I sold it i think we might discuss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6457">TS</a>]

01:47:39   on the show but it was after I sold it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6459">TS</a>]

01:47:41   and it was dotted literally died in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6461">TS</a>]

01:47:45   fire you know that phrase that I love so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6465">TS</a>]

01:47:47   very much died any friggin fire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6467">TS</a>]

01:47:50   attributing that to the car or is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6470">TS</a>]

01:47:53   the owner like I picture to but because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6473">TS</a>]

01:47:55   you didn't own the car you don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6475">TS</a>]

01:47:56   how that happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6476">TS</a>]

01:47:57   that's true however I let me remind you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6477">TS</a>]

01:48:00   that car smelled of gasoline / petrol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6480">TS</a>]

01:48:03   for most of the time that I the wheels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6483">TS</a>]

01:48:05   all stayed on it though unlike industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6485">TS</a>]

01:48:08   this is true which was an improvement a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6488">TS</a>]

01:48:10   little borrow oh yeah we have a case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6490">TS</a>]

01:48:13   against the car wheel falls off next car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6493">TS</a>]

01:48:15   dies in a fire that he's doing pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6495">TS</a>]

01:48:17   well I think I didn't hear this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6497">TS</a>]

01:48:19   actually just consuming its engine parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6499">TS</a>]

01:48:22   in a hail of medication only yeah the no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6502">TS</a>]

01:48:24   big deal right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6504">TS</a>]

01:48:25   oh it's not what i'm going to factor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6505">TS</a>]

01:48:27   here Casey maybe you drive really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6507">TS</a>]

01:48:29   weirdly i guess i don't know but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6509">TS</a>]

01:48:33   thought i had a like a few people reach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6513">TS</a>]

01:48:35   out with the interesting ideas and I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6515">TS</a>]

01:48:38   a handful of people reach out and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6518">TS</a>]

01:48:40   the Golf R is just as good as you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6520">TS</a>]

01:48:41   it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6521">TS</a>]

01:48:43   I had a handful of people with various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6523">TS</a>]

01:48:45   degrees of aggression say stop fighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6525">TS</a>]

01:48:48   with this just least your damn car which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6528">TS</a>]

01:48:51   i think i understand that in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6531">TS</a>]

01:48:54   prayers probably some truth to it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6534">TS</a>]

01:48:56   fact Marco you made a pretty good pitch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6536">TS</a>]

01:48:57   for I don't remember that was on slacker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6537">TS</a>]

01:48:59   and Twitter but regardless leasing would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6539">TS</a>]

01:49:03   surely fix many if not all of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6543">TS</a>]

01:49:05   problems but it creates other problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6545">TS</a>]

01:49:08   which is you know i'm just throwing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6548">TS</a>]

01:49:10   money into a pit i'm borrowing a call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6550">TS</a>]

01:49:12   but you're doing that man therefore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6552">TS</a>]

01:49:13   you're there you're any ownership of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6553">TS</a>]

01:49:16   car is throwing money into a pit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6556">TS</a>]

01:49:18   only borrowing it no matter how you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6558">TS</a>]

01:49:20   it that is the result [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6560">TS</a>]

01:49:22   it's only a difference of of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6562">TS</a>]

01:49:24   mechanics of how that actually happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6564">TS</a>]

01:49:26   and it on what time scale and input [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6566">TS</a>]

01:49:28   pattern and like what I like about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6568">TS</a>]

01:49:30   leasing which I said before i'll just go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6570">TS</a>]

01:49:32   to the very quick summary you know it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6572">TS</a>]

01:49:34   not the absolute least money to spend on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6574">TS</a>]

01:49:37   a car like that at least one defending a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6577">TS</a>]

01:49:39   car is to buy a lightly used honda or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6579">TS</a>]

01:49:43   toyota and drive it until it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6583">TS</a>]

01:49:44   drive anymore that is by far the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6584">TS</a>]

01:49:46   cheapest and the cheapest way to own a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6586">TS</a>]

01:49:48   car but if you're going to go the route [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6588">TS</a>]

01:49:51   of nice cars and in particular for go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6591">TS</a>]

01:49:54   the route of buying new usually Elise is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6594">TS</a>]

01:49:57   really nice for that because it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6597">TS</a>]

01:50:00   predictable and fixed and you put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6600">TS</a>]

01:50:04   risk of market fluctuations the value of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6604">TS</a>]

01:50:07   your car whether it ever gets in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6607">TS</a>]

01:50:10   accident that like you put the risk of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6610">TS</a>]

01:50:12   all that and the eventual resale value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6612">TS</a>]

01:50:15   back on the manufacturer know and so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6615">TS</a>]

01:50:18   have a very predictable guaranteed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6618">TS</a>]

01:50:21   next three years of here's what this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6621">TS</a>]

01:50:23   going to cost me every year or every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6623">TS</a>]

01:50:25   month or whatever and then at the end it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6625">TS</a>]

01:50:28   is done it is over you don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6628">TS</a>]

01:50:30   worry about it and am I gonna lose a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6630">TS</a>]

01:50:32   of resale for this little scratch i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6632">TS</a>]

01:50:34   over here or whatever else I and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6634">TS</a>]

01:50:37   and all the maintenance is included so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6637">TS</a>]

01:50:39   like it's just it's a way to just take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6639">TS</a>]

01:50:41   this weird like severe up-and-down spiky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6641">TS</a>]

01:50:44   expense pattern of owning a car and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6644">TS</a>]

01:50:46   make it flat make it flat but expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6646">TS</a>]

01:50:49   but financing for financing new versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6649">TS</a>]

01:50:53   leasing new it's kind of a toss-up most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6653">TS</a>]

01:50:56   it depends on the on the incentives and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6656">TS</a>]

01:50:58   the interest rates of of the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6658">TS</a>]

01:51:00   month and and that brand-new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6660">TS</a>]

01:51:01   configuration looking at sometimes leads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6661">TS</a>]

01:51:03   actually cheaper because what a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6663">TS</a>]

01:51:05   the brands will do is they will they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6665">TS</a>]

01:51:07   will use lease incentives at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6667">TS</a>]

01:51:09   specials to help them reach you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6669">TS</a>]

01:51:12   earnings for this quarter at it at their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6672">TS</a>]

01:51:15   own expense basically like the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6675">TS</a>]

01:51:16   like borrowing as their own future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6676">TS</a>]

01:51:18   so you can actually that the best deals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6678">TS</a>]

01:51:20   in the car industry usually are for new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6680">TS</a>]

01:51:22   cars at least usually our lease specials [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6682">TS</a>]

01:51:24   for that reason that you're not taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6684">TS</a>]

01:51:26   advantage of the manufacturers need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6686">TS</a>]

01:51:28   boost their numbers in a certain times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6688">TS</a>]

01:51:30   man or whatever but that that's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6690">TS</a>]

01:51:32   be less applicable to the kinds of cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6692">TS</a>]

01:51:33   you're looking at honestly but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6693">TS</a>]

01:51:35   that's where Lisa's are good they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6695">TS</a>]

01:51:37   they're fixed their predictable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6697">TS</a>]

01:51:39   they're kind of like if your usage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6699">TS</a>]

01:51:41   pattern like if your mileage driven fits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6701">TS</a>]

01:51:44   within one at least can do with yours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6704">TS</a>]

01:51:45   does then it really makes a lot of sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6705">TS</a>]

01:51:48   especially for the kind of cars you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6708">TS</a>]

01:51:51   looking at which are fast car sports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6711">TS</a>]

01:51:53   cars and you know it's one thing to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6713">TS</a>]

01:51:56   to leave something more conventional and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6716">TS</a>]

01:51:59   more like you know low key with like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6719">TS</a>]

01:52:00   lower-key not as tweaked up engine and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6720">TS</a>]

01:52:03   not high-performance breaks not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6723">TS</a>]

01:52:04   high-performance parts you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6724">TS</a>]

01:52:06   one thing but the kind of car you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6726">TS</a>]

01:52:08   looking at as you know too well now are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6728">TS</a>]

01:52:11   very expensive to maintain that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6731">TS</a>]

01:52:14   gonna have a problem with any any way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6734">TS</a>]

01:52:16   you look at this that still involves you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6736">TS</a>]

01:52:18   having a soul so because of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6738">TS</a>]

01:52:21   that's why I think she's going to go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6741">TS</a>]

01:52:23   leasing because again you're you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6743">TS</a>]

01:52:25   losing a bunch of money about how you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6745">TS</a>]

01:52:27   this with leasing at least it's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6747">TS</a>]

01:52:29   compatible with the kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6749">TS</a>]

01:52:31   high-powered sporty cars that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6751">TS</a>]

01:52:33   looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6753">TS</a>]

01:52:34   and it allows it to be predictable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6754">TS</a>]

01:52:37   there's no more surprises and I tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6757">TS</a>]

01:52:40   what that is a freeing decision like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6760">TS</a>]

01:52:43   because I i I've done now every method [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6763">TS</a>]

01:52:45   of owning a car i have i have bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6765">TS</a>]

01:52:47   used i have bought new buyer financing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6767">TS</a>]

01:52:49   and I have leased and leasing is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6769">TS</a>]

01:52:53   only one of those I did more than once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6773">TS</a>]

01:52:55   and here's some reason for that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6775">TS</a>]

01:52:58   my experience doing the other two were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6778">TS</a>]

01:53:00   both very poor when i bought used I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6780">TS</a>]

01:53:02   a maintenance nightmare when I finance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6782">TS</a>]

01:53:05   knew I lost a killing on on resale value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6785">TS</a>]

01:53:09   because at one time had a door panel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6789">TS</a>]

01:53:11   replace not my fault the car was parked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6791">TS</a>]

01:53:13   and somebody back into my door and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6793">TS</a>]

01:53:15   you're gonna replace and they saw that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6795">TS</a>]

01:53:17   when i went to resell it and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6797">TS</a>]

01:53:19   like they could tell that it had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6799">TS</a>]

01:53:20   repainted from looking at the Villa take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6800">TS</a>]

01:53:22   a look at like the edge on the inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6802">TS</a>]

01:53:23   you can see all this repair panel even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6803">TS</a>]

01:53:25   look from the outside but anyway yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6805">TS</a>]

01:53:28   i lost like five thousand dollars off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6808">TS</a>]

01:53:30   the resale price on that car like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6810">TS</a>]

01:53:32   horrible and it just sunk all like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6812">TS</a>]

01:53:35   was it that was my cord and like all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6815">TS</a>]

01:53:38   all the calculations i didn't think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6818">TS</a>]

01:53:39   the best value car that best value was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6819">TS</a>]

01:53:42   destroyed because that resale loss so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6822">TS</a>]

01:53:45   everything that I thought I was doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6825">TS</a>]

01:53:46   right was out the window because i had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6826">TS</a>]

01:53:48   bad luck similar to what you're seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6828">TS</a>]

01:53:50   out there be like everything you thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6830">TS</a>]

01:53:52   of your calculation of what you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6832">TS</a>]

01:53:55   to spend in this car is being thrown out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6835">TS</a>]

01:53:56   the window because weird stuff is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6836">TS</a>]

01:53:58   wrong and you just happen to have bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6838">TS</a>]

01:53:59   luck with the maintenance on this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6839">TS</a>]

01:54:01   that can happen with any car you get no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6841">TS</a>]

01:54:02   matter how reliable is that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6842">TS</a>]

01:54:04   this is all too silly this is why Lisa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6844">TS</a>]

01:54:06   and she's releasing you get the new car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6846">TS</a>]

01:54:09   and yes it you're paying what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6849">TS</a>]

01:54:11   paying the cost for a new car right that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6851">TS</a>]

01:54:13   and that's never gonna be cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6853">TS</a>]

01:54:14   no matter how you do it but if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6854">TS</a>]

01:54:16   going to get a new or newish car with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6856">TS</a>]

01:54:18   lease you pay every month you get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6858">TS</a>]

01:54:21   car brand-new how the exactly the spec [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6861">TS</a>]

01:54:23   you want you custom order exactly what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6863">TS</a>]

01:54:25   you want you get every option every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6865">TS</a>]

01:54:26   color whatever you want your stick shift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6866">TS</a>]

01:54:28   you can get you don't have to wait and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6868">TS</a>]

01:54:29   find one you can get exactly what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6869">TS</a>]

01:54:31   want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6871">TS</a>]

01:54:31   three years later you turn into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6871">TS</a>]

01:54:33   dealer and you get something else and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6873">TS</a>]

01:54:36   you don't have to worry during that time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6876">TS</a>]

01:54:37   if you get like a scratch in months six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6877">TS</a>]

01:54:41   police [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6881">TS</a>]

01:54:42   you don't have to look at that and say a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6882">TS</a>]

01:54:45   am I going to look at the scratch for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6885">TS</a>]

01:54:47   the next 10 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6887">TS</a>]

01:54:48   and B what is gonna kill my resale value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6888">TS</a>]

01:54:51   or do I have to like go get this fixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6891">TS</a>]

01:54:52   some really expensive because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6892">TS</a>]

01:54:54   what Lisa's have scratches Lawtons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6894">TS</a>]

01:54:55   built-in you don't have to pay anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6895">TS</a>]

01:54:57   unless it's a really huge dent or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6897">TS</a>]

01:54:59   something like it just fine you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6899">TS</a>]

01:55:01   turn back in and that you have a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6901">TS</a>]

01:55:03   allowance and just fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6903">TS</a>]

01:55:04   like it's it's just so much easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6904">TS</a>]

01:55:08   there's there's so much less also like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6908">TS</a>]

01:55:10   if you're kind of unsure about whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6910">TS</a>]

01:55:13   you want like one of the reasons i got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6913">TS</a>]

01:55:14   red car this time i'm not sure like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6914">TS</a>]

01:55:16   having never owned a car that was a bold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6916">TS</a>]

01:55:19   color before I wasn't sure I would like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6919">TS</a>]

01:55:21   it and but you know i'm not buying this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6921">TS</a>]

01:55:23   car for ten years i'm leaving this car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6923">TS</a>]

01:55:24   for three years so i can take a bit of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6924">TS</a>]

01:55:26   risk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6926">TS</a>]

01:55:27   same thing with the m5 I wasn't sure if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6927">TS</a>]

01:55:29   I if I could deal with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6929">TS</a>]

01:55:30   rear-wheel-drive car in a place that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6930">TS</a>]

01:55:32   winters and if i was buying a car for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6932">TS</a>]

01:55:35   ten years i'm not sure i would take that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6935">TS</a>]

01:55:37   risk but because it was only at least I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6937">TS</a>]

01:55:39   knew that it was you know a much shorter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6939">TS</a>]

01:55:42   commitment and so I did it and it worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6942">TS</a>]

01:55:45   out great now I have my red car that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6945">TS</a>]

01:55:47   working out great like so I you're able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6947">TS</a>]

01:55:49   to take more risks with with the choices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6949">TS</a>]

01:55:50   you make because it isn't a long-term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6950">TS</a>]

01:55:52   commitment and the psychology is so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6952">TS</a>]

01:55:54   more relaxed because you know it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6954">TS</a>]

01:55:57   a lease and the time you're giving it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6957">TS</a>]

01:56:00   is fixed the value that you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6960">TS</a>]

01:56:02   get it fixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6962">TS</a>]

01:56:04   what you're paying every month is fixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6964">TS</a>]

01:56:05   and at the end you just repeat you order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6965">TS</a>]

01:56:07   something else and process repeats and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6967">TS</a>]

01:56:10   you can you know every three years you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6970">TS</a>]

01:56:11   have a chance to stop doing that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6971">TS</a>]

01:56:12   want to but you know honestly once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6972">TS</a>]

01:56:15   start asking hard to stop because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6975">TS</a>]

01:56:16   really really nice because he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6976">TS</a>]

01:56:19   want a three-year stand with a car he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6979">TS</a>]

01:56:21   looking for a long-term relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6981">TS</a>]

01:56:23   anything you can also get 45 year leases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6983">TS</a>]

01:56:25   I I just don't know if anybody really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6985">TS</a>]

01:56:27   does but you can but every every choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6987">TS</a>]

01:56:30   you have for that in front of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6990">TS</a>]

01:56:32   you're going to have to make some kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6992">TS</a>]

01:56:34   of major compromise on what you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6994">TS</a>]

01:56:35   ideally want write it no matter what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6995">TS</a>]

01:56:38   choice you have in front of you you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6998">TS</a>]

01:56:39   to compromise on something in it yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/6999">TS</a>]

01:56:42   like one big compromise to avoid making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7002">TS</a>]

01:56:45   a whole bunch of other smaller ones if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7005">TS</a>]

01:56:47   you choose leasing as that compromise to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7007">TS</a>]

01:56:49   make value you know you you object to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7009">TS</a>]

01:56:51   leasing seems like mostly a moral [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7011">TS</a>]

01:56:53   standpoint you know it's it's less about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7013">TS</a>]

01:56:55   like whether you can afford more that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7015">TS</a>]

01:56:57   you just don't like the idea of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7017">TS</a>]

01:56:59   if you can compromise on that everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7019">TS</a>]

01:57:03   else you can get exactly what you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7023">TS</a>]

01:57:06   yeah sort of i mean i guess that's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7026">TS</a>]

01:57:10   but the only the only things that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7030">TS</a>]

01:57:14   give me access to really is BMWs and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7034">TS</a>]

01:57:19   could just buy used one or a Cadillac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7039">TS</a>]

01:57:21   and I can i I don't think I want a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7041">TS</a>]

01:57:23   Cadillac so I won't let you get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7043">TS</a>]

01:57:25   Cadillac well I mean I guess what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7045">TS</a>]

01:57:27   saying is I don't know what real at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7047">TS</a>]

01:57:28   leasing doesn't really open any doors I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7048">TS</a>]

01:57:31   don't think that aren't already in front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7051">TS</a>]

01:57:33   of me it just solves the maintenance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7053">TS</a>]

01:57:35   problem because the everything will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7055">TS</a>]

01:57:38   on the I will forever be under warranty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7058">TS</a>]

01:57:40   what's next marker you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7060">TS</a>]

01:57:42   recommend a three-year marriage yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7062">TS</a>]

01:57:44   that's just what you're suggesting to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7064">TS</a>]

01:57:47   our owners that's right whatever your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7067">TS</a>]

01:57:50   marriages and five-year marriage that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7070">TS</a>]

01:57:51   great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7071">TS</a>]

01:57:52   try it like now that's not you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7072">TS</a>]

01:57:54   understand the relationship between him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7074">TS</a>]

01:57:57   and his car know you enjoyed you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7077">TS</a>]

01:57:59   doing what are my other recommended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7079">TS</a>]

01:58:00   plans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7080">TS</a>]

01:58:01   not quite i would recommend if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7081">TS</a>]

01:58:03   gonna do like the maximize value plan i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7083">TS</a>]

01:58:05   would recommend buying a HS off lease [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7085">TS</a>]

01:58:07   toyota or honda and then owning that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7087">TS</a>]

01:58:10   into the ground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7090">TS</a>]

01:58:11   you're doing it all you're doing almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7091">TS</a>]

01:58:12   that which is by a new Honda and went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7092">TS</a>]

01:58:14   into the ground like that is also a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7094">TS</a>]

01:58:16   totally valid way to do it you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7096">TS</a>]

01:58:18   can't do the leases for two reasons one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7098">TS</a>]

01:58:20   try finding a stick shift undercard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7100">TS</a>]

01:58:24   Delise it's hard enough to find someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7104">TS</a>]

01:58:26   who will sell you one from the factory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7106">TS</a>]

01:58:27   they do not exist and to i have a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7107">TS</a>]

01:58:31   car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7111">TS</a>]

01:58:32   I like having a brand-new car brand-new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7112">TS</a>]

01:58:34   cars are awesome and together with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7114">TS</a>]

01:58:35   least do it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7115">TS</a>]

01:58:36   brand-spanking-new that's one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7116">TS</a>]

01:58:39   great things in life is getting a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7119">TS</a>]

01:58:41   car I would never go that for like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7121">TS</a>]

01:58:42   one-year-old i will eat the 5k that I in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7122">TS</a>]

01:58:45   depreciation that's very surprising to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7125">TS</a>]

01:58:47   me who doesn't like a new car come on i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7127">TS</a>]

01:58:49   love in your heart but so my perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7129">TS</a>]

01:58:52   scenario like if I could just invent the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7132">TS</a>]

01:58:54   perfect scenario i would get like a one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7134">TS</a>]

01:58:57   or two-year old car that was exactly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7137">TS</a>]

01:59:01   build i wanted that we used by to farm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7141">TS</a>]

01:59:03   and driven 500 miles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7143">TS</a>]

01:59:05   yeah exactly that's true it and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7145">TS</a>]

01:59:07   into truth be told that was my BMW now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7147">TS</a>]

01:59:10   he had been driven many many miles but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7150">TS</a>]

01:59:12   but the only way those miles could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7152">TS</a>]

01:59:14   been accrued in the time and in which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7154">TS</a>]

01:59:16   the first owner had it was on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7156">TS</a>]

01:59:17   highway and so on paper might be my car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7157">TS</a>]

01:59:20   was perfect it was a relatively decent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7160">TS</a>]

01:59:22   turns out he was a mailman additional I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7162">TS</a>]

01:59:25   think that my understanding was he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7165">TS</a>]

01:59:26   actually insurance stopping gonna stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7166">TS</a>]

01:59:28   and go and what happens happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7168">TS</a>]

01:59:30   could be but now my understanding was he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7170">TS</a>]

01:59:32   was an insurance like agents or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7172">TS</a>]

01:59:34   something like that but we will problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7174">TS</a>]

01:59:36   market will probably in just 25 we cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7176">TS</a>]

01:59:38   this from the show but as you guys were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7178">TS</a>]

01:59:40   talking I went to auto trader and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7180">TS</a>]

01:59:42   quickly amassed the list of makes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7182">TS</a>]

01:59:45   are reasonably easily available to me in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7185">TS</a>]

01:59:47   the united states and i will run through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7187">TS</a>]

01:59:49   them alphabetically so everyone will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7189">TS</a>]

01:59:51   know the options in front of me and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7191">TS</a>]

01:59:53   answer is that there are almost none [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7193">TS</a>]

01:59:54   acura accurate does not believe in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7194">TS</a>]

01:59:57   stick shift anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7197">TS</a>]

01:59:58   alpha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7198">TS</a>]

01:59:58   alpha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7198">TS</a>]

02:00:00   although no sticks done any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7200">TS</a>]

02:00:04   questions a couple other quick notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7204">TS</a>]

02:00:07   first of all porsche is theoretically an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7207">TS</a>]

02:00:10   option which I had forgotten but a it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7210">TS</a>]

02:00:12   way too expensive be have you seen the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7212">TS</a>]

02:00:13   Panamera it's freaking hideous as though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7213">TS</a>]

02:00:15   if there's no forward our sticks the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7215">TS</a>]

02:00:17   Panamera doesn't come to stick doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7217">TS</a>]

02:00:18   how you know now that you say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7218">TS</a>]

02:00:20   you're probably right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7220">TS</a>]

02:00:21   secondly in cat in this individual is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7221">TS</a>]

02:00:23   not the only person who said this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7223">TS</a>]

02:00:24   you're too picky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7224">TS</a>]

02:00:26   well thank you this is what i want i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7226">TS</a>]

02:00:28   don't know this is what i want i am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7228">TS</a>]

02:00:31   allowed to be picky from spending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7231">TS</a>]

02:00:32   between 20 and 80 thousand dollars i am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7232">TS</a>]

02:00:35   allowed to be picky so sorry tough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7235">TS</a>]

02:00:38   nuggies i would probably get a used go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7238">TS</a>]

02:00:41   far and then as I thought more about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7241">TS</a>]

02:00:44   i thought you know what I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7244">TS</a>]

02:00:47   it's really even worth just trading this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7247">TS</a>]

02:00:48   in because why would i spend 3242 if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7248">TS</a>]

02:00:52   Marco has his way $80,000 on a new car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7252">TS</a>]

02:00:54   when I can just continue to feed my car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7254">TS</a>]

02:00:58   from time to time and just call today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7258">TS</a>]

02:01:00   and so what I think i'm going to do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7260">TS</a>]

02:01:03   just suck it up and deal with the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7263">TS</a>]

02:01:05   that my car is always going to be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7265">TS</a>]

02:01:06   this job cases BMW is my macpro yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7266">TS</a>]

02:01:10   actually you're right and that makes me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7270">TS</a>]

02:01:11   absolutely sick just go to you see if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7271">TS</a>]

02:01:14   they can send your new water pump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7274">TS</a>]

02:01:15   yeah yeah yeahs every time it does a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7275">TS</a>]

02:01:18   little send you another one just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7278">TS</a>]

02:01:19   patient the old one back its fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7279">TS</a>]

02:01:21   nobody lied i was morally found it last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7281">TS</a>]

02:01:23   week but as I got thinking about it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7283">TS</a>]

02:01:24   like actually got a couple of offers of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7284">TS</a>]

02:01:28   one person I know in one like friend of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7288">TS</a>]

02:01:30   a listener that had said oh I'm getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7290">TS</a>]

02:01:33   an m2 soon and I have a golf r that i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7293">TS</a>]

02:01:36   looking to unload and we started lightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7296">TS</a>]

02:01:39   negotiating on it and then I thought to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7299">TS</a>]

02:01:41   myself I don't know about this like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7301">TS</a>]

02:01:44   haven't told this individual one way or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7304">TS</a>]

02:01:46   the other but a by current thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7306">TS</a>]

02:01:48   sitting here now is why would I throw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7308">TS</a>]

02:01:50   thirty to forty thousand dollars at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7310">TS</a>]

02:01:53   problem that's happening every few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7313">TS</a>]

02:01:55   months for $1,000 like that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7315">TS</a>]

02:01:58   really fix my problem but the privilege [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7318">TS</a>]

02:01:59   of driving around volkswagen rabbit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7319">TS</a>]

02:02:01   right and I all i'm doing is being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7321">TS</a>]

02:02:03   petulant child at that point if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7323">TS</a>]

02:02:05   didn't already have a really nice 335 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7325">TS</a>]

02:02:08   like if you were starting from nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7328">TS</a>]

02:02:10   that'd be another story but because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7330">TS</a>]

02:02:13   already have something that is good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7333">TS</a>]

02:02:15   yes it is a maintenance headache but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7335">TS</a>]

02:02:18   you're looking at pure value for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7338">TS</a>]

02:02:20   money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7340">TS</a>]

02:02:20   maintaining a BMW is going to hurt your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7340">TS</a>]

02:02:24   soul but it will actually be cheaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7344">TS</a>]

02:02:26   right and that's the thing is that my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7346">TS</a>]

02:02:29   soul is damaged but I know my wallet is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7349">TS</a>]

02:02:31   thanking me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7351">TS</a>]

02:02:31   probably go far like aside from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7351">TS</a>]

02:02:33   whole rabbit thing that right there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7353">TS</a>]

02:02:35   two critical problems with the Gulf our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7355">TS</a>]

02:02:36   number-one the trunk really isn't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7356">TS</a>]

02:02:38   big with the seats up it's not tiny but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7358">TS</a>]

02:02:41   it's not that big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7361">TS</a>]

02:02:43   secondly and this is going to sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7363">TS</a>]

02:02:45   silly and this is just getting even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7365">TS</a>]

02:02:48   deeper into the oh you're so freakin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7368">TS</a>]

02:02:49   picky which is accurate their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7369">TS</a>]

02:02:51   conversations and so they don't worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7371">TS</a>]

02:02:52   about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7372">TS</a>]

02:02:52   yeah there's no sunroof and I freaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7372">TS</a>]

02:02:56   love some roofs i love them i use mine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7376">TS</a>]

02:02:58   constantly even at temperatures where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7378">TS</a>]

02:03:00   probably shouldn't and the Gulf are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7380">TS</a>]

02:03:02   unavailable with a sunroof yeah that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7382">TS</a>]

02:03:04   that honestly changes a car dramatically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7384">TS</a>]

02:03:06   like what if you want if your son refers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7386">TS</a>]

02:03:09   and I am to understand if you're sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7389">TS</a>]

02:03:10   person and you don't have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7390">TS</a>]

02:03:12   it matters a lot yeah so in summary that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7392">TS</a>]

02:03:16   so what I'm backing myself into is even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7396">TS</a>]

02:03:18   the Golf R which is very close on paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7398">TS</a>]

02:03:21   has the small issue of trunk and thus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7401">TS</a>]

02:03:25   medium-sized issue sunroof the 80s or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7405">TS</a>]

02:03:29   ats-v is probably what I want is too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7409">TS</a>]

02:03:31   damn expensive the focus like I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7411">TS</a>]

02:03:34   it's either front-wheel drive or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7414">TS</a>]

02:03:36   all-wheel drive and i look like i am 18 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7416">TS</a>]

02:03:38   the chevy SS is really the right east [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7418">TS</a>]

02:03:42   answer except the entertainment would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7422">TS</a>]

02:03:44   murder me and now they're not making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7424">TS</a>]

02:03:46   them anymore and so really the problem I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7426">TS</a>]

02:03:49   have is that either i need to drive an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7429">TS</a>]

02:03:51   a4 and realize it's not that bad or I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7431">TS</a>]

02:03:54   just suck it up because BMWs the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7434">TS</a>]

02:03:56   manufacturer like I've backed myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7436">TS</a>]

02:03:58   back into BMW and all this whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7438">TS</a>]

02:04:00   endeavor was to get myself away from BMW [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7440">TS</a>]

02:04:03   and now of just backed myself into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7443">TS</a>]

02:04:06   only option really God's BMW look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7446">TS</a>]

02:04:08   sometimes you get it right the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7448">TS</a>]

02:04:09   time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7449">TS</a>]

02:04:10   yeah thank God over there and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7450">TS</a>]

02:04:12   else message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7452">TS</a>]

02:04:13   yeah except except for the car front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7453">TS</a>]

02:04:16   maybe not the color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7456">TS</a>]

02:04:17   what do you think last longer your car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7457">TS</a>]

02:04:21   or johns mac pro my car but not by a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7461">TS</a>]

02:04:24   you've got a long way to go to catch up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7464">TS</a>]

02:04:25   to my you only have a thing for a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7465">TS</a>]

02:04:27   years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7467">TS</a>]

02:04:27   no you're saying I think Marco saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7467">TS</a>]

02:04:29   what's getting replaced first yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7469">TS</a>]

02:04:31   oh my mac programs either this this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7471">TS</a>]

02:04:34   summer I'm getting something know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7474">TS</a>]

02:04:35   whether this thing breaks or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7475">TS</a>]

02:04:37   you say that now i don't believe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7477">TS</a>]

02:04:39   i'm just going to get an imac like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7479">TS</a>]

02:04:41   worst-case scenario of the introduce no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7481">TS</a>]

02:04:43   new max at the end of this year i will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7483">TS</a>]

02:04:45   just get an imac because danger 0 new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7485">TS</a>]

02:04:48   max that means like well forget about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7488">TS</a>]

02:04:49   the mac pro forget about my macpro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7489">TS</a>]

02:04:51   whatever just get a five-year imac like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7491">TS</a>]

02:04:53   I can take a hint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7493">TS</a>]

02:04:54   there's probably gonna be a new 5k imac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7494">TS</a>]

02:04:56   like in a few weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7496">TS</a>]

02:04:57   I'm not getting that one right exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7497">TS</a>]

02:04:59   and so this summer you it's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7499">TS</a>]

02:05:02   like a four-month old imac in the lineup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7502">TS</a>]

02:05:04   you're not going to buy a four-month old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7504">TS</a>]

02:05:05   imac they're gonna do something w SI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7505">TS</a>]

02:05:07   unit for something is not introducing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7507">TS</a>]

02:05:10   macpro that will be a signal to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7510">TS</a>]

02:05:12   guess what it's not gonna happen so just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7512">TS</a>]

02:05:14   give it up like okay I i think you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7514">TS</a>]

02:05:17   based on like rumors and crap i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7517">TS</a>]

02:05:19   it's very unlikely that we're gonna see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7519">TS</a>]

02:05:20   like a new mac pro or imac pro this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7520">TS</a>]

02:05:23   summer I think it's too soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7523">TS</a>]

02:05:24   so what assuming that the summer comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7524">TS</a>]

02:05:28   and passes and it's you know july and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7528">TS</a>]

02:05:31   there's still no no new imac pro or mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7531">TS</a>]

02:05:35   pro are you gonna buy the then four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7535">TS</a>]

02:05:37   month old imac USBC you say you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7537">TS</a>]

02:05:40   four-month-old like it's so old that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7540">TS</a>]

02:05:42   wouldn't buy before month-old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7542">TS</a>]

02:05:43   that'sthat's in the in the baby hood of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7543">TS</a>]

02:05:46   that mac and imax lifecycle is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7546">TS</a>]

02:05:48   appropriate i modified again for 18 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7548">TS</a>]

02:05:50   months ago and I say you're gonna wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7550">TS</a>]

02:05:52   till the next one I bet you don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7552">TS</a>]

02:05:54   buy the imac that hasn't even come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7554">TS</a>]

02:05:55   yet all right i'll bet that scenario is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7555">TS</a>]

02:05:57   conceivable but i still think unlikely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7557">TS</a>]

02:06:00   and I'm not gonna roll it out because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7560">TS</a>]

02:06:02   that is something i would do i will bet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7562">TS</a>]

02:06:04   that you don't replace your macro this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7564">TS</a>]

02:06:06   year I mean I am ever so slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7566">TS</a>]

02:06:11   leaning on John side but man is a close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7571">TS</a>]

02:06:15   man is a close everybody got nothing has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7575">TS</a>]

02:06:18   taken to account this thing could break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7578">TS</a>]

02:06:20   like every time something goes wrong it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7580">TS</a>]

02:06:22   could be a thing that is like not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7582">TS</a>]

02:06:23   easy replaces around even if the video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7583">TS</a>]

02:06:25   I'm pretty sure to keep showing that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7585">TS</a>]

02:06:27   won't break I think that's very clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7587">TS</a>]

02:06:29   about how the fans Nazis but that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7589">TS</a>]

02:06:34   good question do you like blow it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7594">TS</a>]

02:06:35   with you know about what I was not mad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7595">TS</a>]

02:06:37   it's filled with like not just dust but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7597">TS</a>]

02:06:38   does that is like like played on there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7598">TS</a>]

02:06:41   like it doesn't blow wife off the dust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7601">TS</a>]

02:06:43   has become part of the machine like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7603">TS</a>]

02:06:47   have an air spray and upload it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7607">TS</a>]

02:06:49   nothing i'm like 'why might want to even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7609">TS</a>]

02:06:50   bother this is not part of the machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdR-cXV4/7610">TS</a>]