Roderick on the Line

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00:00:23 ◼   ► hello hi John hi Marilyn [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► how's it going oh so early [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► yeah how about that Lindsey Buckingham [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► huh [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► you guys we should be president united [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► states yeah I take it he says he's 64 [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► years old in that video you know so my [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► you miss the deal [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► oh it's so worth I was out last night [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► with some other old people when i say [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► last night I mean you know between five [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► thirty and seven thirty talk about time [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► travel and so I'm really really [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► conscious of you know there's a small [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► group of our small group of us old old [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► old men talk about how young we look [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► it's really nice i will DD stop [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► complimenting each other or you just [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► kind of casually note how interesting is [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► that you continue to look so good and [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► then everybody agrees [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► oh no no we thought it all starts on a [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► are congratulating your friends on how [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► young looks what looks so maybe you look [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► great so look great now you look great [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► and then there's a there's quite a bit [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► of like we're all good looking guys [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► yeah you're looking yeah i'm gonna [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► really good-looking guy we're all good [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► look at got any group like that [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► yeah it's a lie though of course and i [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► agreed upon you know [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► mhm yeah I agreed upon you gotta not a [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► legal phrase it's a line from its [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► titular line from an episode of the TV [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► show Deadwood haha [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► dad what I know the care you care deeply [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► about dead wood that was special [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► mhm they have a guitar playing on there [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► too [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► yeah that's one of those shows you know [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► this is the thing that has come up i [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► think before in conversation between me [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► and other humans who the shows that have [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► modern music alright you talked about [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► this with the key blinders yeah peaky [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► blinders arm its III can't I can never [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► quite I get it [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► I get why it's very stylish they don't [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► do that and Edward L it is very it's [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► very period-appropriate except for the [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► very elevated language well I thought [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► the theme the actual theme song of dead [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► wood was a little bit how you say head [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► and the heart [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► hmm which is a little bit like a modern [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► recreation of water it the imagination [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► am I sort of a modern what will I was [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► going to take our madam tape [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► yeah we're like if you didn't know much [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► about music in that time you think might [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► think that's what it sounds like [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► yeah have you throw their joy thing it [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► doesn't make it a thing that's a pretty [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► good point you know you don't want me if [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► you thought it would shoot a banjo and a [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► thing who still doesn't make it back you [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► got strong feelings about well it's [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► banjo players the body is not the [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► instrument itself right boom content [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► contempo let's say I don't think it's a [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► banjo player i should refine this [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► yeah the banjo so first of all the banjo [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► is a wonderful instrument of him [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► I think it's if you take a banjo player [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► and you put a certain kind of hat on him [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► right like you like i love banjo playing [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► uh huh [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► it's just that it's a certain kind of [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► hat goes on a banjo player when you're [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► headed down a road [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► wow ok you're on a path now where I'm [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► going to start we're gonna start to peel [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► off so is that a little bit like bit [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► like that like the version have enough [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► angry because I started doing stuff to [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► you the banjo player version of having a [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► ring [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► oh you know like the the Lord of the [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► Rings ring oh I feel like it's just [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► having it kind of start to change your [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► personality or you know so you're [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► walking around some kind of a Horcrux is [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► going to do something to like start [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► affecting the way that you think an act [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► you put my flat cap on a banjo player [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► and pretty soon everything is out of [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► control [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► I feel like if you are learning an [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► instrument you are learning the [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► instrument that you have right you go to [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► war with the instrument you have yep [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► about the instrument you want so if you [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► are somebody sitting around you're like [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► I want to learn the piano but the only [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► piano that you have as a tack piano [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► you're gonna learn to play the tack [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► piano huh gonna learn to play the [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► concert grand [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► Oh learn to attack piano and so you're [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► learning to play the banjo let's say hey [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► I'm i got here i am going to learn play [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► the banjo I think there are people who [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► grow up learning the banjo as their [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► first instrument but i think would have [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► a lot of the time they learn the guitar [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► and then they they try to like retro [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► like they may modify they modified down [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► to banjo they think interesting so [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► whatever you started on you start with [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► an instrument that becomes your way of [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► conceptualizing music works and kind of [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► back into different instruments read [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► this was the interesting thing about [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► Paul McCartney right his he learned [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► guitar but he learned banjo chords [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► oh I would we would even listen to a lot [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► of beetles and happily at my daughter's [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► request and i still can't get over his [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► baseline I just said I set there and [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► like Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds is [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► not by a long shot my favorite Beatles [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► song this baseline on that is bananas [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► it's like where did that baseline even [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► come from or something like hello [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► goodbye like how is he has he just keep [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► getting better and better and it's all [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► over six or seven years it's nuts but [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► you know he was originally a guitar [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► player now was he originally wasn't his [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► dad his dad played like clarinet [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► I wonder if he started on a woodwind [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► instrument i think that i think the [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► story was that they taught him the that [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► his mother [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► Oh new banjo chords and she taught in [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► bandra chords on the guitar guy I you [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► know I haven't read haven't read my you [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► don't keep up with the robots my library [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► of beetles me books lately we don't talk [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► about the Beatles and years it's been [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► quite awhile used to talk about them [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► exclusively easy just pretty much [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► Beatles Hitler and getting all the way [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► mm but but so so I don't know there's a [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► few set down a path and you're like I'm [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► banjos my thing now and you put on a hat [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► as part of that ok right you see what [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► I'm saying I think I do yeah if you're [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► just in the appear just devoted to the [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► study of banjo and you're just in there [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► banjo studying for your sitting in a [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► tree or whatever wherever they teach [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► banjo I think generally when you learn [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► it yet that's taught in trees I think [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► you're supposed to I mean I'm not sure [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► about this but I think I think you [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► supposed to be on a paddlewheel boat [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► with no shoes and one leg swing over the [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► side that's a great way to learn the [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► banjo [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► I mean Kermit the Frog learned it in a [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► tree must be hard to keep it tuned we're [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► in a swamp [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► well sure because this shit humidity [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► it's not there it's not the heat it's [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► the stupidity but if you if you pick up [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► the band junior like this is my new [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► instrument i'm going to be in the I'm [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► gonna be in a band that requires a banjo [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► player and I'm gonna and I'm going to [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► pick up this instrument now and then [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► immediately as part of that process you [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► put on a certain kind of hat [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► ok i'm talking not not like put on the [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► banjo player had put on at an actual hat [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► and you think that that's a component of [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► being the banjo player in your band [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► that's where we part ways [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► Oh in true rest sting I mean who do you [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► think like and it's I don't even think [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► it's a question of like this is my magic [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► banjo playing happen without it I cannot [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► play the banjo but it's that you think [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► as the banjo player in this band which [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► I'm just beginning on this course of [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► life i'm going to start out with this [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► hat on and this is going to be my hat [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► and we're already were divorced you and [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► I I feel like we really want to talk [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► about christie Lee some days I'm kind of [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► obsessed with christie Lee right now but [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► been watching a ton of videos [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► she was it he's a tremendous musician I [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► don't even know where to begin [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► I've been watching a lot of videos the [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► punch brothers and nickel creek [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► yeah in addition to loving his hosting [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► of prairie home companion it's the show [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► is transformed [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► oh good I'm glad to hear i'm going to [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► show you won't listen to but he's been [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► doing it for a while and like the guests [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► that he has on their way he writes a new [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► song every week every week is a really [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► good song plays the shit out of a [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► mandolin and he's also there's lots of [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► good nature jokes about being someone [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► who will just just just on Saturday [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► night's program he said you know to say [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► about mandolin players they spent after [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► time tuning and half the time playing [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► out-of-tune yeah no problem [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► there's a lot of strings and if they're [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► very close together mm he's not very [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► much real estate every time I pick up a [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► man like seriously really want to [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► stretch this out a little bit you can [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► make this little longer a little wider [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► and there'll be more room but he plays [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► that thing like like if Jimmy Page was [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► good on guitar he just he rips he rips [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► on that thing indeed even has the [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► presence of mind like when he wants to [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► do like quote a famous line when he [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► wants to quit the famous line from [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► losing my religion he he drops the [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► tuning on once one of the strings just a [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► little bit so it sounds a little bit [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► more Peter Bucky you as we cover isn't [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► that nice but I was watching so like I [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► say I've been watching a lot of videos [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► you know again I'm kind of obsessed with [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► that AV Club thing where they come in [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► and play covers and they the punch [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► brothers did an amazing cover of just [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► what i needed totally on ironic cover of [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► just what I needed and I notice a lot of [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► guys in the band have hats this first [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► thing I notice the second thing I notice [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► is that there is you don't see two guys [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► were in the same hat have you noticed [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► this in bands it would be unseemly to [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► show up for a performance banjo player [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► or otherwise and you turned out to be [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► wearing the state's almost like we're in [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► the same shirt as somebody else in the [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► band like it would be unless that you're [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► doing that for up for an effect but to [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► highlight that these were twins or [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► something like you wouldn't want to wear [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► the same hat somebody else in the band [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► is that part of the Hat process you have [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► to get some get some independence of [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► your of your hat so my my understanding [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► of perhaps [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► which isn't deep or broad but you are [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► meant to have your own way [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► write your men not just to have your own [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► I mean you're meant to have your own [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► crown your own style of crown when King [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► yeah and every person that I mean from [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► the from the olden time like from hume [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► times like say 1950 if you look at a [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► picture like a crowd shot of people in [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► nineteen let's say 1940 over and there's [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► you're looking out and there's a sea of [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► people and you look at their hats [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► they're all wearing hats and you look at [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► their hats and everybody's got their own [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► individual take on it [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► yeah for first glance it looks like a [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► lot of men wearing the same happen when [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► you look closely you see their different [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► styles they're different materials are [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► different bands and then they wear it [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► differently they might be in a different [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► angle and what's what's curious is that [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► they're not there's not a huge color [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► palette they're brown black tan and gray [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► it's not like any of those people is [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► wearing a blue hat or certainly not like [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► a red hat you know this that they're all [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► very muted but yeah the way the brim [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► with the brim is the way that the crown [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► is the way you kinda gret like you grasp [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► it with your hands when you're taking it [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► off and and of the hats that I have and [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► I have what probably 9 to 12 steps and [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► style you know felt vintage felt hats [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► that I've come upon in the in the in the [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► years and there's one of them in [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► particular that really nails it for me [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► like that's my look [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► that's my hat I as soon as I saw it I [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► was like well hello [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► and all I and when I said in monkey with [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► the other ones and imagine turning the [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► other ones into this one we're never [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► it's never right and I can never all the [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► different you know they're all very [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► distinctive because they once belonged [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► to somebody and that person from blue [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► jeans it would be like getting a pair of [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► jeans that somebody warned for 20 years [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► right right and [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► but oh not just that but somebody it's [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► like blue jeans that someone had from [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► the day they bought them already [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► designed a certain way because it [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► because your hat [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► it's not like hats came out of the [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► factory all uniform and they took on [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► these characters characteristics by [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► being worn like when you went to the hat [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► store you said here's how I want my [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► here's how I want my hat steamed and the [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► hat person would put the Hat on the [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► steamer and then they would create and [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► shape mold craft sculpt your how so that [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► it was to your liking and you can you [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► know you can steam a hat and read redo [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► this on it and you can take it happen [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► that you don't like and take it down to [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► the Hat steamer and have it steamed and [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► and made made again made a new so it's a [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► it was a whole it was like having your [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► suits tailored you would have your hat [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► tailored and that's a thing when you [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► when you look at it when you look at a [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► cowboy band where everybody on stage [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► including the stage manager including [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► the you know the the guy running across [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► the stage dressed all in black with a [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► leatherman on his belt and it's kind of [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► maglite all of them are wearing hats in [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► these cowboy bands and it's not you know [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► they might all be black hats but every [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► hat i think if these people have any [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► class is going to be like yeah you know [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► a lot of a lot of mexican bands they all [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► would actually wear uniforms they were [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► all the same hat and all the same [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► clothes from top to bottom I labanda [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► band [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► yeah yeah I think you will find that [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► there have a special section for that [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► kind of music do you really yeah the the [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► balance of the narco tiros I is in [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► Norteno is that what that is [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► I'm i dipped into that just a little bit [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► but this is going to i'm going to be the [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► white guy for a minute just going [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► getting burritos out here that means [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► gonna go this is a this is very [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► interesting music the production of on [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► it is extremely I don't capture topic [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► here going to get back to the hats but [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► it's a very interesting style of music [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► and they do some pretty burning covers [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► have you ever heard the Banda cover of [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► still the one is Wayne but the have nots [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► i'm afraid the barber I thought your you [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► were you were referencing still the one [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► the old NBC from that wasn't me that was [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► work that was player player was that [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► band player of the band here [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► you're still the one you can scratch my [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► itch still 12 were still having fun and [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► you're starting to launch the one and [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► that was a that was a popular song on [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► the radio and then I think it was NBC [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► ABC ABC or means it was or liens wasn't [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► player player was baby come back [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► Barry come back dude it thickens [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► ah yeah that was still that was still [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► hit song on the radio and then it was [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► made the ABC television theme right are [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► and that was very confusing to me as a [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► kid because i was like which is it [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► well like what's happening this is being [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► played on AM radio found extremely [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► confusing [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► yeah I'm still confused me and so so the [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► the Hat being I feel like a lot of young [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► people are not having their hats [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► tailored because they don't even notice [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► a thing [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► yeah and so I don't think you get up [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► onstage with the same hat as your band [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► mate but I feel like what that has [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► produced this I'm getting I'm getting [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► super down into this now into the weeds [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► in the Hat weeds who what that produces [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► hear you you're going onstage with your [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► friends here you have decided that [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► you're all gonna wear hats and you don't [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► want to wear the same hat but you don't [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► understand hats very well you don't [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► understand that you could all go down [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► and buy the same Indiana Jones happened [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► just have them steam differently and so [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► what you end up with is for people on [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► stage who are wearing hats that don't [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► belong together [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► hot incompatible right so one person's [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► wearing like a very very small brimmed [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► Frank Sinatra era trilby hat and one [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► person's wearing like a flat top [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► like a silver buckled mike mccready had [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► which is like the bad guy from a certain [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► kind of spaghetti western hat a liner [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► which means likely je KOB Khun hat right [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► yeah and that you've got like somebody [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► wearing a straw boater and then there's [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► somebody who wearing like a Robin Hood [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► have with the giant feather and it's [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► like you guys don't this isn't you just [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► you just look like you look like a weird [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► catalog of shitty hats you don't just [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► having perhaps doesn't make you a band [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► so it so that that really irks me [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► because that it doesn't feel it doesn't [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► feel to me like the hat wearers are are [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► making the hats their own they're just [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► trying to distinguish themselves by [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► having I'm an interesting and more an [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► interesting style about you going out [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► for a take on that you give me your [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► diagnosis sure not many people what you [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► know again famously one of these things [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► were since what JFK people have been [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► increasingly wearing fewer hats men have [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► been wearing hats less as a thing to [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► wear today a hat is a statement in a [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► unit of itself and of itself but also by [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► virtue of the fact that not many dudes [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► wear hats we have also become less [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► nuanced in our understanding of what the [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► Hat signifies or the subtlety of that [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► particular say looking at six hats and [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► saying like oh these are actually really [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► different but I couldn't have all that [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► do you think I mean is something where [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► like that so let you go on vacation get [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► cornrows or maybe get a Hawaiian shirt [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► and you don't really think too much [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► about it just think you did his a hat i [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► picked up [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► it's not something where you're [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► investing much in it or you're not even [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► still participating in hat culture and [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► over way and and this may be a situation [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► where my desire to understand the the [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► history of a of a culture right [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► even little bit in just just a slight [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► penetration of the history of [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► hat-wearing what hat signify [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► at maybe has clouded my ability to [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► understand that in the 21st century the [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► way hats are worn is like everything [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► else in the 21st century it's a complete [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► undifferentiated Hodge podgy where it's [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► just a checks and polka dots and plaids [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► all thrown together and to be even [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► remotely interested in the fact that [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► this used to mean this or this is this [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► is different from that because of this [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► change in in history or in tempo or in [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► the moment that's no longer relevant and [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► the question is what how do you like [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► what have you think is cool right now [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► and you know that that kind of thing [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► maybe i'm being inhibited by my desire [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► to have things mean things but like the [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► top hat and that the top hat is not a [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► single thing if you look at top hats [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► from 1820 I guess when they first kind [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► of came on the scene up until the the [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► top hats of twenties 1920 right I think [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► I think you'll find president's wearing [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► wearing top hats at formal events i want [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► to say at least into the twenties and [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► probably thirties where Woodrow Wilson [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► you will you will see him off in a top [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► hat but i don't think you'll often see [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► maybe oh yeah maybe FDR oh my gosh did [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► wear them he did wear them but he's a [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► very fancy guy Harry Truman never had a [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► top hat on so let's just make the [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► morning right let's make the line FDR [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► was a fancy fancy man and war top at [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► Harry lot of photos of him and looks [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► like a silk top hat that mean are using [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► more like a fedora looking really smooth [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► and really smart [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► I'm sure somebody's gonna pull out a [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► picture of Harry Truman top able to pull [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► out a lot of things John Wright but uh [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► but all there's a top hat with a top hat [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► case [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► look at that this has Jesse throwing [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► written all over it [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► they're beautiful because FDR I that's [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► his top hat case [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► look at that but the butt [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► that the actual had itself in that [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► hundred years really really really [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► evolved and became like a it was a [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► hundred different things so the the the [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► top hat chester a arthur war and the top [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► hat / where's our like not just the same [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► they're not they don't even look [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► anything like each other if you put them [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► next to one another and if you [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► understand she teaching at a university [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► so so like choosing it looks so let's [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► say so there was a there was a time [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► there was a time in be in the early two [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► thousands where the the long winters [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► took a photo a band photo where we were [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► all wearing hats i remember this is [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► aaron guys were kind of getting big and [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► it was one of your first like we've [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► gotten big soda sessions now we have a [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► photo your blue shirt with like an [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► orange background in that I mean we were [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► also wearing suits sometimes we never [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► fully under here was a shower showing [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► wearing a top hat sean was wearing a top [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► i remember this when i went with him to [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► the hat store that day and the thing [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► about a hat store these a day's a is [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► that you're not going to find an elegant [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► silk top hat anymore because they're not [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► worn know if there's there's no [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► situation unless you were like at unless [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► you read like the opening day of the of [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► the horse track in england right what's [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► that day whether be gay [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► the Derby Day right Jonas calls but [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► Darby this a dark dark turban good [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► security they say Clark for it it's [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► gonna be a costume it's like me when i [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► bought a straw boater you go to store [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► there's a c8 there's a single [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► high-quality straw boater you can buy [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► that's right if your straw boater person [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► you're not you're not like splitting [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► hairs over this isn't the straw boater I [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► want it's like if you want a straw [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► boater and that's what we've been [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► reduced to write if you go to add [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► or and you want a bowler hat there's one [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► bowler hat even though there are in the [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► history of the bowler hat 25 different [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► iterations of the bowler sure but so [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► with Sean we wanted a kind of or rather [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► Shaun wanted a kind of mad hatter style [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► top hat but we've got kind of that sort [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► of swirling four starts out kind of [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► taking gets more tapered physical yeah a [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► little bit it's it's got quite a bit of [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► paper but not one all the way to like [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► other type of mad hatter hat that you [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► would wear if you were going to see he [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► allysin chaynes right you don't you [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► don't want a beautiful mad hatter hat [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► that says like I like my my younger [TS]

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00:27:20 ◼   ► mhm during the period when Tom Petty was [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► wearing a top hat which Tom Petty did [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► for a while before / even Tom had he was [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► rocking the top and he was the he was [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► that I think the modern rock top hat [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► person he be [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► he lit the fuse and tanya and and then [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► Sean was a a you know he's obviously [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► like a I am formidable person he has a [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► formidable hair and he needed a hat that [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► could that that projected a happiness [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► that was as big as he was [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► mhm [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► right you're not gonna you're not gonna [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► show is not gonna wear a trilby and have [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► it do anything but make that make the [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► Hat ashamed of itself right that will be [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► hat is going to slink off and say I'm [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► not a big I'm not enough of a hat for [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► this person and the top hat was so good [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► on Shawn that he wore it periodically [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► there are some there are some shots of [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► us playing live not just once but [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► multiple times with Sean wearing a top [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► hat and the rest of us weren't wearing [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► hats are in any kind of costume other [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► than just our Rock clothes she was [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► wearing a top hat and I liked it you [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► know it was it looks good like him a lot [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► of the time when when when a rock person [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► effects a weird thing and my feeling is [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► you're like me [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► not quite but this top hat on Sean I was [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► like absolutely usually wear it everyday [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► i think not i just sent you a photo i [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► found off the internet of this when your [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► sessions here [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► photo shoots Eric swearing like an [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► amelia earhart aviator helmet you about [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► a what you call yours is not a Homburg [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► use it is a number i would i would call [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► it a Homburg Michael is wearing what [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► appears to be a wig and the outsider [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► been some kind of brown hat [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► yeah the wig the wig belongs to me and [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► the brown hat belongs to me Michael did [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► not a did not have those things in his [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► own good for Mike library good i was [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► funny as at that point you know up until [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► I don't want to i don't i don't want to [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► feel too much [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► no we usually redact this yeah but [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► Michael had you know Michael had only [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► recently shaved his head and him greatly [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► had been liberated because shaving your [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► head now you're now you are not any more [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► concerned about what's going on with [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► your hair [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► remember that 12 hours after we met [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► Chris camellia shape too set in my [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► kitchen [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► oh right that he was going through a [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► real phase then we want to keep it tidy [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► don't know did I retire we were driving [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► through a bad a desert on the way home [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► from a tour we played our last show [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► we're in Nevada [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► and the crib and everybody else is [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► asleep i'm driving chris is in the [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► passenger seat he said pull over here [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► will you take milk you know this is like [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► UFO country and I see your gotta go to [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► the bathroom and he said no i just i'd [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► like you to pull over i think im gonna [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► walk home from here and I said said [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► Chris the middle of the night in the [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► middle of a desert not gonna let you out [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► to walk home it would it would take you [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► five months he was like I really I [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► really feel like that's what I want to [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► do I really feel like right now I want [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► you to pull over and I want you to let [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► me out i'm gonna walk home [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► I was like you know winnemucca is a [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► six-day walk from here and there's [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► nothing between here and there except [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► UFOs then I talked him out of it but he [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► was sincere if I pulled over he would [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► have gotten out with his bag like he was [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► very he wasn't like let me out of the [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► drunk he wasn't mad he was just like I'm [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► gonna get out here and obviously he [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► wouldn't have died he would have finally [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► figured out and put his thumb out and [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► hitchhiked to win market probably about [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► a bus ticket but maybe he would have [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► walked who knows but yeah at that time [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► in your kitchen was like I'm shaving my [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► head right now but I'm sorry I should've [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► said he was sooo shading Michael said oh [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► oh I see what you're saying he shaped [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► Michaels head [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► yeah I feel like I remember this pretty [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► clearly and really thinking hard seems a [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► little familiar for known each other 12 [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► hours my kitchen I see what you're [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► saying for my children play but but what [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► about Chris I chris is a delight I bet [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► he was a handful he was he was a very [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► very quick very very funny i don't know [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► how you guys made it with you and Chris [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► and Sean in that same van that is there [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► so many competing super strong [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► personalities i mean not the other guys [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► don't have it but like those it's you [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► and you and Sean were enough but with [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► chris and the next thing as a wild-card [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► man with an amazing thing about Chris [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► was that heat [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► in the nineties in seattle Chris was not [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► regarded as funny you know it wasn't a [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► thing that he would have said he would [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► he'd never projected like I'm the funny [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► one right and when it was a we have a [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► culture here of people that were doing a [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► lot of of playwriting and there were a [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► lot of actors there was a lot of music [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► about we had a pretty tight an [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► interesting group of multi talented [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► people that were doing all kinds of art [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► and Chris was not really he was he was [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► deeply in the mix but he but he he never [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► said like I'm funny I'm doing funny [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► things he was sort of you know he was [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► like the handsome One [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► let's let's put it let's put it how it [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► is he was the handsome One and he worked [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► as a bartender downtown and he was [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► charming and he had a lot of girlfriends [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► and his charm was was pretty quick you [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► know somebody would come up to the bar [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► and they'd say something snarky to the [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► bartender and Chris could put them he [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► could put him away but again he wasn't [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► you know like I'll I month I'm funny and [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► Chris was a friend of mine and I never [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► thought like oh chris is really much [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► competition in the funny department but [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► we got on the road and I think this was [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► as much a revelation for him as it was [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► for the rest of us and Chris all of a [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► sudden uh it seemed out of nowhere [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► revealed this incredible talent of [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► storytelling comedic voices comedic like [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► personalities such that he could take up [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► I mean we could get drive for five hours [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► and Chris would just be doing a sort of [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► one man performance the entire time and [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► though and Sean and I so so part of the [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► the dynamic between me and Sean was that [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► we you know we were both we were both [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► funny but also we're trying to sort of [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► you get [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► deep were we were you know we were [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► having critical discussions about [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► critical thought blah blah blah blah [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► blah and Chris just cut through that [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► like a hot blade because chris just did [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► an hour of a he basically we were [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► driving through the desert he would be [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► like well this is you know Bob Jenkins [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► Arizona northern Arizona radical radio [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► and he would just do like a radiant like [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► a talk radio guy from the location we [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► were in the appropriate voice and with [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► be and as though you were listening to [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► the radio and we would all Sean and I [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► could do was periodically be like ring [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► ring hi [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► you know it's a like it's a collar and [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► ends and Chris would take the call [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► like wow let's go ahead caller and we [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► would have something we'd give some kind [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► of we try to throw some tennis ball in [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► there and he would just very definitely [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► take our call and handle and it was what [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► we would like to tears streaming down [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► their faces and I had known chris at [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► that point for 10 years and I have never [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► seen it before and no one I know had and [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► I don't think Chris had we drove around [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► for a year where you couldn't wait to [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► get into the truck and well and in a [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► situation where you would think like [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► Sean and I were always jockeying for who [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► was in a jockey for top dog but Chris [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► just blew the whole thing out of the [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► water Christmas was faster than Sean [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► faster than me faster than this both but [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► there wasn't any real resentment or [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► competition in it because he was so much [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► better [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► well that you could shine the chanting [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► city absolutely Sean fella Sean fell in [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► love with him and and it's hard and I [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► think it's hard for Shawn to fall in [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► love with with somebody that is like [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► operating at that kind of level and sean [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► just I mean just loved loved loved him [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► to this day [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► so it was a tragedy that Chris couldn't [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► stay in the band because he really made [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► those i just made those miles disappear [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► and was a source of a lot of a lot of [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► like real joy not just a distraction not [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► just like law but he he was tapped into [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► you've tapped into some bigger thing [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► we're just did they must have been such [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► a gift at certain times I just I can't [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► imagine the drudgery of what that trip [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► could be sometimes if things weren't you [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► know it was an incredible gift and and [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► and it caused me to realize like why he [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► had been such a successful bachelor like [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► looking back 10 years before I did hate [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► Chris in 1993 because you'd be sitting [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► in a baby sitting at a table talking to [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► somebody that you wanted to check on the [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► bird heebie-jeebie jam somebody up and [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► Chris would walk through and he would [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► never see it's not like you'd steal [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► somebody from right underneath you [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► but he'd come in and out and this is the [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► other crazy thing he wouldn't sit down [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► across the table from you and be like [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► the brightest light and everyone flock [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► to him it didn't work that way he would [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► just be sitting over there and my kid [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► his seduction was all done in whispers [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► you never knew what he was saying [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► through because somebody would you know [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► we'd be sitting there and crystalline [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► over to go buzz buzz buzz in their ear [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► and they would go and then they leave [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► and you're like what the hell does he [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► say things like that and and so so later [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► on I realized like all he you know what [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► he was saying what in their ear with [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► something probably pretty amazing but he [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► never he never showed this until until [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► this period of just a couple of years [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► where where he was barking through the [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► sky and and that and the problem was it [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► was only happening in the van [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► like when we got on stage huh [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► there wasn't really an opportunity for [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► him to step up to the microphone [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► and do this routine and he wasn't really [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► comfortable in on the microphone you [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► know like it if he had an opportunity to [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► join in that kind of thing that like [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► onstage banter right in front of a crowd [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► he didn't that wasn't where he wanted to [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► be he didn't like it there and we were [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► in the van every day like always got you [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► know we have to make a TV show about you [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► we have to like we're just strategizing [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► how do we get you in front of people [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► you're the world's greatest actor you do [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► any voice and after he left the band he [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► went to New York City he joined an [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► improv theater group he joined likes UCB [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► what's really but uh huh never made it [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► above the like the level of people that [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► were paying to take classes at UCB right [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► and he talked a couple classes at UCB [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► but it's not like he joined the [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► successful improv group while he's still [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► handsome look at him he's very handsome [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► guy and he went to as a great great hair [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► the greatest he had great hair when it [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► was when he was young and it was [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► completely jet black and then as it [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► started to get song pepper it was great [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► it never stopped being great my great [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► uncle my great uncle Truman who was in [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► the Merchant Marines had the exact same [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► hair he was German was 85 years old and [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► his hairline had not budged an inch from [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► when he was 15 years old just look like [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► a just look like a washer brush like a [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► like a badger brush anyway I met Chris [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► was one of my closest friends for a long [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► time and I haven't talked to him in a [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► couple years don't know what's going on [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► with him like somehow it wasn't somehow [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► that pressure cooker of being in that [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► van and I think part of the pressure of [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► being in that van was that Shawn Nelson [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► was there and that i was there and then [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► that was a that was a kind of audience [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► and a kind of a cauldron [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► but if i could if i if i could put on [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► tape the that year and a half in the van [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► you know it was it was a I got something [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► I can't quite account for you know like [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► you meet people and you feel like I know [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► you are like I i know you Marilyn and if [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► we went on a road trip together and you [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► cracked me up the entire time i would I [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► have an idea of what that would be like [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► right you could crack me up the entire [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► time and but I know what it would look [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► like [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► huh but I didn't see this coming in this [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► was somebody had known for years and he [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► was my roommate for Christ's sake for [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► three years but i didn't i have never [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► seen this before this and it's not that [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► he wasn't himself he was still himself [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► he just all of a sudden just had the [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► power of complete mimicry and the power [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► of you of just like a character [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► improvisation and character I feel like [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► this is a phenomenon that you could most [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► succinctly summarized as just because [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► you can crack up your frat brothers is [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► no guarantee that you would be a good [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► stand-up comedian for many many many [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► reasons and we started tackling that you [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► realize how complicated all those things [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► are there are some people who crack up [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► their friends who could potentially [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► become a comedy writer you could become [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► like a comedy producer and this isn't [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► just true for comedy stripper music is [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► true for lots of things but it's it's so [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► rare to be able to take it let's just [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► stick with comedy for a minute but to [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► take that skill of being funny to people [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► around you and convert that into being [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► funny professionally month stage or [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► screen because it takes this totally [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► different skill I mean there's this [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► totally different like x factor that [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► goes beyond knowing how to crack up John [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► and sean and you know Erica Michael and [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► I mean and it's but it's it feels like [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► it's right there could feel like it's [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► right there just like slightly out of [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► reach but then you realize oh but [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► there's there's the the grind of having [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► to get into a group like that or like [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► having to make this decision to like [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► just a really good interview with Keegan [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► Michael key about his name [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► you know the guy from can deal w about [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► how he basically they're asking like how [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► we decided to go to MADtv rather than [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► something else likes a sound like he's [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► like well as money like they were paying [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► better at that man TV and that is also [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► where he ended up working even working [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► with um his partner and doing like [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► writings writing sketches together [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► I don't know that this is a topic that I [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► was found so interesting and you can [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► expand it way beyond comedy comedy is [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► where I feel like one of the places [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► where you can feel it [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► most strongly is that what what a leap [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► is to go from cracking up your friends [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► to doing this for a living and I think [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► it's true for music i think is true it [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► could be true for writing it's just is [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► true for so many things and I wonder how [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► often people who have succeeded with [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► something could even like go to a high [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► school and give a talk on how it is that [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► they were able to make it big because I [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► bet there's so many ineffable qualities [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► and micro decisions that would be almost [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► impossible for that person to identify [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► well i think i think you're right the [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► number of guitar players I've known [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► between the time that I first started on [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► guitar players let's say I was 15 right [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► it's funny that i never i never knew a [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► kid that was 10 years old and and [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► already a virtuoso the first guitar [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► players i was even aware of i guess [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► freshman year in high school I knew that [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► there were there were guitar players [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► that you mean it was the thing that you [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► could actually do it wasn't just on TV [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► but by 15 I like new guitar players i [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► owned a guitar but from that point until [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► the present day I have known so many [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► guitar players and so many of them were [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► amazing amazing musicians and amazing [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► even like songwriters who couldn't get [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► you couldn't get to a situation couldn't [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► get two of two a position where they [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► were in a good band [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► like let alone you got a good man that [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► went anywhere [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► look like they couldn't even put it [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► together to get into a good band they [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► either kept trying to make kept trying [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► to flog bands with a fatal flaw or [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► bounced from one band of the next and [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► couldn't ever settle in somewhere or [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► wanted the band to be really centered on [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► them but they were missing a crucial [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► skill like singing and you and you feel [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► like then there are those few instances [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► where you're sitting with somebody and [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► they start to walk that idly hum along [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► with the radio and you go [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► whoa I didn't know you could sing uh huh [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► you know sing along with the radio no no [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► you have an incredible voice and it [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► happens over i was in an eyewitness I i [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► regret to this day not seek not doing a [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► better job of corralling this person but [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► I was in one of those something called a [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► rock lottery we get started in Austin [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► but we had 11 in Seattle and I think [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► maybe it's still ongoing but what would [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► happen is they would invite a dozen [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► musicians across a wide spectrum of of [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► instruments and ability and put them all [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► together you know divide them up into [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► like the groups of five and more than [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► two dozen musicians like hear your five [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► of you your five of you like there's two [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► bass players a clarinetist a person [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► playing hand drums and opera singer in [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► this group and and then you're [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► responsible for writing a song and then [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► singing in at the end or performing at [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► the end of the day it's a it's a [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► interesting it's one of those things [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► that's interesting to do and interesting [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► to watch [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► I'm not sure that if it was happening in [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► the garage of the house across the [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► street right now I would go over there [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► to watch my guess I probably would it [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► would be noisy i would have to deal with [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► it but I i participated in one of those [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► and one of the other groups so at the [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► end concert were watching the show and [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► it was like oh yeah that's really [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► interesting you guys had a you guys had [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► a sermon player has something bad [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► something he's wearing a hat but there [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► was one of the bands that had a a singer [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► ma and he was a guy that just looked [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► like kind of a punk [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► punky guy also wearing a hat and a [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► leather jacket and seemed like something [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► to smoke a lot of cigarettes and he [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► seemed fun but he started to sing and I [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► just saw the future of music and Emma [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► like you're the most rock'n'roll person [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► i ever saw and it wasn't that she was [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► that rocket looking it was just that his [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► voice it came out and I was like I want [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► to start a band with you I want to be [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► the I want to be the guitar player in [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► your band and I don't want to play [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► anything complicated i want to play [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► three chords every song is three chords [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► because it's all it would need I just [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► want to be that person [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► loud guitar behind you while you do that [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► whatever it is and I went up to him [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► afterwards I was like wow you're [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► incredible who do you play for and he [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► named tsombe and that I hadn't heard of [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► him that I haven't heard of now and I [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► was like wow I really love to a year get [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► together sometime or like just to meet [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► for coffee or something and he he was [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► kind but he was he very much had that [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► like I'm i'm pretty happy with the with [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► my band the lampshades sounds like okay [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► well cool i mean still you know we [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► should hang out he was like how we [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► should totally do that maybe wasn't like [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► he was condescending he was just like [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► pretty much saw a lot of you just saw [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► what he saw his future in the lampshades [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► and I really wish I'd gotten his name [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► because it's because in music it's it [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► always changes right six months later he [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► might have been like I wonder who that [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► guy was i'd really like to get in touch [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► with them [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► but it doesn't happen very often where [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► you see somebody that has that kind of [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► gift that no one has you know that a [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► gift and it's like they just stepped off [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► the bus from Spokane in Hollywood and [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► they're like which way do i turn [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► yeah I want to make it in the big town [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► and you want to be the creep in the [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► powder blue link on Mel is parked across [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► the street from the bus station was like [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► they need a ride a ride in a hot meal [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► but I I i know i think i know what [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► you're talking about and is funny thing [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► when you think about how you would in [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► some ways how you this is very cynical [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► but how you could reverse-engineer [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► success out of a lot of careers you take [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► a person who is humble easy to get along [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► with shows up on time looks for [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► opportunities to be helpful constantly [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► improves their craft is open to change [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► and accepting but I you think about like [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► what like what makes people successful [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► yeah whether you know whether it's a [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► guitar player or an actuarial or [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► whatever there's these certain qualities [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► that you see and lots of people they may [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► not be considered the name Abraham [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► Lincoln of what they do but there's [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► somebody that everybody could look at [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► and go oh that person's a pleasure to be [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► with and was great to work with them you [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► know you somebody like you talked about [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► christina aquilera how she's always the [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► hardest working person in the room so [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► you take all those kinds of qualities [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► i'm probably missing some missing a few [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► but anybody who has to do work with [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► other people and in kind of changing [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► situations the kind of qualities you [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► would want everybody it would almost be [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► better to engineer this this super race [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► of terminators of people who had all of [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► those qualities and then teach them [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► guitar or give them voice lessons or do [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► these other things because in all the [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► things we're talking about [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► sometimes it's just reluctant or not [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► seeing that that's who you are who you [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► could be but so often it's like well you [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► know it's really if you really think [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► about what we do instead it's kind of [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► bananas [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► wow I somehow accidentally got really [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► good at guitar so you know why am I not [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► in the rock and roll hall of fame was [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► like what did you check all those other [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► boxes because all these other things are [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► so important this is [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► yeah I think about this quite a bit [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► right because we're just think about our [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► our good friend Lindsey Buckingham [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► yeah who by all accounts is a miserable [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► awful person to not just work with [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► mirror sounds very very unpleasant if [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► you've seen that documentary of the [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► Fleetwood Mac getting back together some [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► getting back together documentary I [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► forget what it was [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► where they're working on some album in [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► recent times and lindsey is just I mean [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► you can't even stand to be you can you [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► have to avert your eyes from the screen [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► while he's on this because you just have [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► there's so much bad blood in that band [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► for so many very good reasons that it's [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► such an act of graciousness just to even [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► be in a room with each other that like [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► you would all just so you all want to be [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► on your best behavior and say you know [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► bygones be bygones and let's just let's [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► just agree not to be assholes with each [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► other for a few days and I try to take [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► this thing and there's a camera in the [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► room so you're aware that too [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► and yet all through all the years of [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► like Fleetwood Mac gossip of course i [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► always thought that Stevie next would be [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► the difficult one right she's dancing [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► around in the end of thousands carbs and [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► and sing about Rhiannon like she's going [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► to be the high maintenance person but [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► watching these documentaries you go [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► Stevie Nicks is amazing she's the sole [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► of like patient professionalism and [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► Lindsey Buckingham is driving me and [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► everyone else crazy and they are going [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► to great lengths to accommodate him and [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► yet here he is this incredible guitar [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► player and great not only pushing [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► pushing his personality into the center [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► of everything and this is the this is so [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► so this is I am I think not [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► not an invalid line of questioning which [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► is that in our contemporary world we're [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► taking it as as a as read that what we [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► should be doing with our kids and in the [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► inner culture at large is removing all [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► obstacles for friendly good-natured [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► people we should be teaching [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► friendliness and goodnight [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► students we should be removing from the [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► we should be removing obstacles from the [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► path of young people so that they don't [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► have to confront adversity in the same [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► way that we did right we we no longer [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► put our cigarettes out on our children's [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► arms who like but that's how John bender [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► became John bender right John bender was [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► the coolest guy in the breakfast club [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► okay it's just because nobody else had [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► that nobody's father never put a cigar [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► out on them it's gonna make an omelet [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► you gotta break some kids right here so [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► but but the question is like Lindsey [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► Buckingham is awful john lennon was [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► awful and would those people in those [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► people now have been kicked had been [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► bumped out of whatever their career path [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► was at a much earlier time by people [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► saying you are awful your novel bully [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► your ear and you're a mean person and so [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► you're not going to be given this [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► opportunity or we're going to be [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► privileged nglish at your behavior over [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► your talent and so were dissing cluding [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► you and we're including you know Joe [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► good-nature over here but what you're [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► missing is the what ends up like [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► neutering the art is the discomfort the [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► the missing discomfort the missing [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► frisian and what you end up is sort of [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► you would end up with is this kind of [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► like gray nutritive pace of music and [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► culture that I think we're eat work even [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► now starting to see like the very few [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► very few people who are really burning [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► bright in that way where where where [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► they're so captivated be so captivating [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► because they're on this bike path of [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► self-destruction that you see like oh my [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► god they're going to create or so hard [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► and then they don't you know like button [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► even a nile rodgers or whatever in 1978 [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► he was it not on the path that we think [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► of he's on now right he was really [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► burning burning bright alright [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► just not he wasn't a bad guy but that [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► your people a lot of a lot of material [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► out there to continue living hard so I [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► so I don't know i mean i-i you never [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► want to and obviously you can't you [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► can't reverse engineer you can't say [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► like oh let's if you sit in this chair [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► you pretty as your finger with a needle [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► everyday for an hour that will give you [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► the the association with pain it will [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► give you the familiarity with pain that [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► will allow you to write meaningful music [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► or make meaningful art but but we we are [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► right now is it in a in a moment in [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► human culture where we are hostile to [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► pain and and devoting a tremendous [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► amount of energy to relieve pain and [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► suffering from from as at from as many [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► people as we can to to the as guys [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► greater degree as we can and painting [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► strong a word because I mean you know I [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► think it's normal to say like I don't [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► make it to have an infection and die [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► it's nothing to say like I don't watch [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► out ever be inconvenienced yeah [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► but-but-but yeah there is that there is [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► that weird world between infection and [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► death and inconvenience but i think this [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► is all happening you know just always [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► gets into the things like we've in in [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► quotes bad words this is yeah this [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► larger issue of like nothing should ever [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► come along that makes you feel that the [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► in my daughter's class there is a child [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► who at a certain point just this year [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► went through a kind of looking glass and [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► by all accounts before was a very nice [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► person and now is it is a hitter and the [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► school district doesn't know what to do [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► the school district isn't very [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► well-equipped I mean this isn't the [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► first time this has happened and they [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► have a lot of they have a lot of [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► solutions on a long continuum [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► and one of them is a weighted vest and [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► one of them is uh an employee of the [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► school that comes into the class and is [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► you know an assistant to deal with this [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► kid and I know the kid and he's a he's [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► oh you can see he's a lovely little boy [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► and he actually there is something going [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► on he does not want to hit he doesn't [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► want to be a he doesn't want to be [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► having this experience a lot of people [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► to understand i don't appreciate that [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► about you know these problem kids is [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► like you can just see the misery of them [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► like being run by some kind of clockwork [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► and they don't like it either [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► yeah something's inside him redone and [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► his his parents never saw it before so [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► they don't know how to deal with it and [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► it only happened when he went to school [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► for the first time he and so hit but now [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► we're in a situation where my daughter [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► comes home from school every day and [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► says well you know I got hit again as [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► you later [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► he's hitting everybody how God and [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► nobody wants to be around him but he's [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► also a nice kid him and people want to [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► play with him but what it what is [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► happening ultimately is that everyone in [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► the class is being affected by like they [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► are getting they are having an inferior [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► experience of school because a component [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► of being in school is that you might get [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► hit at any time by this kid and he's [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► disrupting learning and so here but [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► we're in this problem of like to at what [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► point is he removed from school at what [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► point is he sequestered at what point is [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► he put into a into a box of like the [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► unredeemable but by the same token do [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► all the other kids have a have a right [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► to be able to be in school and not feel [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► like they're gonna get hit and you know [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► he's not like a he's not a big kid he's [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► a small kid he's just like they did this [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► just happens right here and i think [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► every parent in the school and and and [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► and given the [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► given the makeup of of this particular [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► elementary school it's really [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► astonishing to me the amount of just [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► general sort of class-wide patience [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► everybody has their is necessarily [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► different [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► different [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► yeah there is no parent that I've about [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► that iíve yet experienced in this group [TS]

01:00:04 ◼   ► he's like my child is having their [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► education affected and I want this dealt [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► with now everybody's just like well [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► let's see what let's see what let's see [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► let's try other things [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► well we're three-quarters of the way [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► through the school year and when I talk [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► to my daughter about it I and I and I [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► think back on my own childhood you know [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► there were kids that hit me later kids [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► that their kids that hit and you and [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► ultimately like the amount that her [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► education is being affected by it i feel [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► like there's another side of that which [TS]

01:00:49 ◼   ► is that she's getting an education in [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► the fact that that there are people that [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► hit and then nobody else knows what to [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► do like the grown-ups don't have a [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► solution and this is painful it's [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► painful for him it's painful for [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► everybody and it's one of the it's one [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► of the things and and the adults that [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► feel like they should i mean and i think [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► in a lot of other cases and it might [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► just be that we have a very lucky group [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► of 22 parents where everybody is where [TS]

01:01:26 ◼   ► everybody recognizes that the depth of [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► the of the complication you could be in [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► a lot of other schools and there would [TS]

01:01:33 ◼   ► be some crusader who demanded that there [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► was something done or or somewhere in [TS]

01:01:40 ◼   ► the in the school administration office [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► this got put into the file folder of [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► bullying who which we've all agreed is a [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► no-tolerance thing and then this kid [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► becomes tagged as somebody that needs [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► not just like special accommodation but [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► needs to need some punitive [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► three in traditional yeah and so forth [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► and so on but but what we're what is the [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► history there is a 56 year old kid [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► yes six years old yeah um or-or-or that [TS]

01:02:15 ◼   ► he needs to be medicated like profoundly [TS]

01:02:18 ◼   ► medicated to a you know in order to [TS]

01:02:22 ◼   ► survive in in order that he be a good [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► six-year-old in this context where the [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► stakes are [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► listen to stories learn to use scissors [TS]

01:02:36 ◼   ► you know learn your alphabet who in [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► order to do that he needs to be on some [TS]

01:02:43 ◼   ► kind of like cocktail of drugs and so my [TS]

01:02:46 ◼   ► take on it is look weird [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► we're just trying to we're just trying [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► to be in this on this Ark hopefully [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► every year there won't be another kid [TS]

01:02:59 ◼   ► who is like who makes you scared but [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► there's always going to be a kid that's [TS]

01:03:05 ◼   ► a problem there maybe are a couple and [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► one of the things that you learn when [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► you have a kid that hits is don't stand [TS]

01:03:14 ◼   ► too close to him or don't be next to him [TS]

01:03:17 ◼   ► without being aware that he might hit [TS]

01:03:19 ◼   ► you at any point like be his friend be [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► nice to him but keep one aisle and these [TS]

01:03:25 ◼   ► aren't necessarily bad lessons you know [TS]

01:03:27 ◼   ► it's not what you would want its what [TS]

01:03:29 ◼   ► you're everything you're describing [TS]

01:03:30 ◼   ► their I feel like somebody who you know [TS]

01:03:37 ◼   ► have my own room [TS]

01:03:38 ◼   ► I was mostly safe school safe [TS]

01:03:39 ◼   ► neighborhoods you know one of the things [TS]

01:03:41 ◼   ► i found challenging for a lot of my [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► adulthood is just on the superclass of [TS]

01:03:46 ◼   ► issues i'm going to call dealing with [TS]

01:03:47 ◼   ► neighbors so that would be people that [TS]

01:03:49 ◼   ► could be your roommate in college it [TS]

01:03:51 ◼   ► could be people in the adjacent room [TS]

01:03:53 ◼   ► people above people below but people you [TS]

01:03:55 ◼   ► do not have control over and people were [TS]

01:03:59 ◼   ► you can just press a button and make [TS]

01:04:00 ◼   ► them change even if they are quote [TS]

01:04:03 ◼   ► unquote wrong in your eyes and a lot of [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► times and to get your head right about [TS]

01:04:06 ◼   ► this you think everybody's wrong it's [TS]

01:04:07 ◼   ► not doing it the way you want you know [TS]

01:04:09 ◼   ► they're they're using their car at the [TS]

01:04:10 ◼   ► wrong time and effort [TS]

01:04:12 ◼   ► you put out their trash wrong about [TS]

01:04:14 ◼   ► these all these grievances that you can [TS]

01:04:16 ◼   ► come up with because maybe and I'm just [TS]

01:04:19 ◼   ► speaking for myself maybe because I got [TS]

01:04:20 ◼   ► very accustomed to be able being able to [TS]

01:04:22 ◼   ► control my environment and have recourse [TS]

01:04:24 ◼   ► for when it didn't go my way [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► a certain kind of privilege if you like [TS]

01:04:27 ◼   ► and I think that's one thing we're what [TS]

01:04:30 ◼   ► you're describing here is super [TS]

01:04:31 ◼   ► complicated especially with little kids [TS]

01:04:33 ◼   ► we're not talking about somebody who's [TS]

01:04:34 ◼   ► in 10th Grade and setting fire bombs [TS]

01:04:36 ◼   ► we're talking it sounds like this sounds [TS]

01:04:38 ◼   ► very similar to what happens at my kids [TS]

01:04:40 ◼   ► school which there are little kids that [TS]

01:04:42 ◼   ► are mm they're different they're they're [TS]

01:04:45 ◼   ► not they're not govern herbal in the way [TS]

01:04:49 ◼   ► that everybody would like them to be so [TS]

01:04:51 ◼   ► as you say so what is solution we put [TS]

01:04:53 ◼   ► them in the brown reading group do we [TS]

01:04:55 ◼   ► fill him full of drugs like what do we [TS]

01:04:56 ◼   ► do but that to me that's that's that's [TS]

01:04:59 ◼   ► one place where like it's been a hard [TS]

01:05:01 ◼   ► road for me is dealing with the [TS]

01:05:02 ◼   ► superclass of issues that i will call [TS]

01:05:04 ◼   ► neighbors because I felt like who i [TS]

01:05:06 ◼   ► would do you like Yosemite Sam like [TS]

01:05:08 ◼   ► you've got to stop being that way and [TS]

01:05:10 ◼   ► like no they don't have to stop being [TS]

01:05:11 ◼   ► that way [TS]

01:05:12 ◼   ► thankfully if you grow up amidst lots [TS]

01:05:15 ◼   ► and lots of people living a 24-hour life [TS]

01:05:17 ◼   ► in a way that doesn't comport with yours [TS]

01:05:19 ◼   ► you [TS]

01:05:20 ◼   ► well then you naturally grow up [TS]

01:05:21 ◼   ► understanding that well you know I could [TS]

01:05:23 ◼   ► put in earplugs or i can move or I could [TS]

01:05:25 ◼   ► do these other things but it's like [TS]

01:05:27 ◼   ► pushing a rope to try and change [TS]

01:05:28 ◼   ► everybody to conform to your idea of how [TS]

01:05:31 ◼   ► that behavior should go and in the case [TS]

01:05:33 ◼   ► of the poor people your school and the [TS]

01:05:35 ◼   ► poor people in my school I mean there's [TS]

01:05:36 ◼   ► really at least two problems one problem [TS]

01:05:37 ◼   ► is that what the kids doing is [TS]

01:05:38 ◼   ► disruptive and potentially dangerous [TS]

01:05:39 ◼   ► gotta deal with that he said the [TS]

01:05:42 ◼   ► government apart is the hard part get [TS]

01:05:44 ◼   ► one kid in class like that I'm very [TS]

01:05:45 ◼   ► sympathetic to this because these poor [TS]

01:05:47 ◼   ► people are just at sixes and sevens with [TS]

01:05:49 ◼   ► the resources they have to get one kid [TS]

01:05:51 ◼   ► like that in a class it's a pain in the [TS]

01:05:52 ◼   ► ass when I want you to kids like that [TS]

01:05:55 ◼   ► yeah we get two and a half three kids [TS]

01:05:56 ◼   ► like that in the class and pretty soon [TS]

01:05:58 ◼   ► that teacher is spending sixty to eighty [TS]

01:06:01 ◼   ► percent of their time just being a [TS]

01:06:03 ◼   ► referee or a paramedic [TS]

01:06:07 ◼   ► yeah right and that any other the other [TS]

01:06:08 ◼   ► kids are just going to their fingernails [TS]

01:06:10 ◼   ► and that's not why we sent him to school [TS]

01:06:12 ◼   ► not getting noticed let alone rewarded [TS]

01:06:14 ◼   ► for the fact that they're not punching [TS]

01:06:15 ◼   ► somebody else or you know so i might [TS]

01:06:19 ◼   ► might might take on what my [TS]

01:06:21 ◼   ► responsibilities here is is that my [TS]

01:06:25 ◼   ► like everybody's trying to figure out [TS]

01:06:27 ◼   ► what to do with this little boy and the [TS]

01:06:30 ◼   ► and everyone is taxed because of all the [TS]

01:06:32 ◼   ► things that you're saying you can't just [TS]

01:06:34 ◼   ► change him you can't take him out [TS]

01:06:36 ◼   ► you can't you can't add adapt the entire [TS]

01:06:42 ◼   ► school to him but what i can do is not [TS]

01:06:47 ◼   ► be a problem in the sense that i can use [TS]

01:06:53 ◼   ► it as a teaching experience for my kid [TS]

01:06:55 ◼   ► and we can you know and and you never [TS]

01:07:00 ◼   ► want to say like I'm sending my kid to [TS]

01:07:02 ◼   ► this school and now i'm in a position [TS]

01:07:03 ◼   ► where we're trying to make the best of [TS]

01:07:06 ◼   ► it but in fact that's what you're always [TS]

01:07:09 ◼   ► doing in every situation you send your [TS]

01:07:12 ◼   ► kid to the public school and you try to [TS]

01:07:14 ◼   ► make the best of it and even if [TS]