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180: ‘Yay or Nay to Their POV’, With Special Guest Matthew Panzarino

 

00:00:00   Matthew pans arena welcome welcome back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/0">TS</a>]

00:00:01   to the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1">TS</a>]

00:00:03   thank you sir thanks for having me Wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3">TS</a>]

00:00:05   to tough week to have a show there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5">TS</a>]

00:00:07   news it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/7">TS</a>]

00:00:11   yeah we was all just is headed there go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/11">TS</a>]

00:00:14   on vacation man yeah it's been like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/14">TS</a>]

00:00:19   every day so we are recording on tuesday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/19">TS</a>]

00:00:23   the 31st so we are literally talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/23">TS</a>]

00:00:25   like two hours after Apple posted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/25">TS</a>]

00:00:28   quarterly results so we can actually do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/28">TS</a>]

00:00:30   like a new show it's like we're like on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/30">TS</a>]

00:00:33   on CNN or something talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/33">TS</a>]

00:00:35   breaking news it right at this week's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/35">TS</a>]

00:00:38   news today or whatever yesterday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/38">TS</a>]

00:00:40   yesterday summarizing the quarterly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/40">TS</a>]

00:00:45   results [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/45">TS</a>]

00:00:46   I think it's time I my summary is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/46">TS</a>]

00:00:50   or less iphone went back to growth which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/50">TS</a>]

00:00:54   was contrary to some predictions that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/54">TS</a>]

00:00:57   that that last year's dip was was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/57">TS</a>]

00:01:00   sign that that we reached pic pki phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/60">TS</a>]

00:01:03   people say he's got more iphones last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/63">TS</a>]

00:01:05   quarter than they've ever sold in any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/65">TS</a>]

00:01:07   quarter including the two year ago1 when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/67">TS</a>]

00:01:09   their sales went bananas because of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/69">TS</a>]

00:01:11   iphone 6 and 6 plus my ipad sales are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/71">TS</a>]

00:01:17   down a little bit year-over-year but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/77">TS</a>]

00:01:20   they're reasonably saying well last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/80">TS</a>]

00:01:22   they came out with the brand new iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/82">TS</a>]

00:01:23   pro this year there were no new ipads in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/83">TS</a>]

00:01:25   holiday quarter and they're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/85">TS</a>]

00:01:27   respectable 13 million mac sales were up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/87">TS</a>]

00:01:30   a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/90">TS</a>]

00:01:31   rebounding I think showing such good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/91">TS</a>]

00:01:34   signs of probably the the new macbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/94">TS</a>]

00:01:37   pro sales being pretty good who Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/97">TS</a>]

00:01:41   watch they don't break those out but on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/101">TS</a>]

00:01:43   the conference call it sounded to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/103">TS</a>]

00:01:45   reading the summary that they said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/105">TS</a>]

00:01:47   was a record-breaking quarter and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/107">TS</a>]

00:01:50   makes sense because it's a holiday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/110">TS</a>]

00:01:51   quarter and I think that it's if if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/111">TS</a>]

00:01:54   did break those watch sales out i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/114">TS</a>]

00:01:56   the holiday quarter is going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/116">TS</a>]

00:01:58   huge spike just like in the old days the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/118">TS</a>]

00:02:00   way ipod tour and then last but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/120">TS</a>]

00:02:03   least services apples favorite word of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/123">TS</a>]

00:02:06   the last two years is up at a fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/126">TS</a>]

00:02:09   summary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/129">TS</a>]

00:02:11   yeah I think so I mean I think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/131">TS</a>]

00:02:13   some question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/133">TS</a>]

00:02:13   about that other category in like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/133">TS</a>]

00:02:16   overall other category there was there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/136">TS</a>]

00:02:18   was a dipping growth but right that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/138">TS</a>]

00:02:21   like the general consensus is the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/141">TS</a>]

00:02:23   did find in the quarter right i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/143">TS</a>]

00:02:26   it's pretty much the only watch doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/146">TS</a>]

00:02:28   anywhere near decent right now so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/148">TS</a>]

00:02:30   not too hard to to say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/150">TS</a>]

00:02:33   yeah it seems to me like I mean there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/153">TS</a>]

00:02:36   a lot of I mean this is a little off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/156">TS</a>]

00:02:38   topic of apples quarter but it that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/158">TS</a>]

00:02:40   point with the watch that i'm starting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/160">TS</a>]

00:02:43   to see some serious repeated pessimism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/163">TS</a>]

00:02:46   about Fitbit that fit i think might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/166">TS</a>]

00:02:50   in today as a company might be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/170">TS</a>]

00:02:52   trouble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/172">TS</a>]

00:02:53   yes yeah I think that's pretty clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/173">TS</a>]

00:02:55   from what we've been hearing so far I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/175">TS</a>]

00:02:58   think that there's a significant change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/178">TS</a>]

00:03:00   in direction how you refer to here in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/180">TS</a>]

00:03:02   Silicon Valley as a pivot we're coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/182">TS</a>]

00:03:06   for them by gathers they they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/186">TS</a>]

00:03:08   definitely and I don't think anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/188">TS</a>]

00:03:10   really thinks that it's completely about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/190">TS</a>]

00:03:13   the products and i think there's plenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/193">TS</a>]

00:03:14   of quality issues they've had over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/194">TS</a>]

00:03:16   years and they've never been you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/196">TS</a>]

00:03:19   super highly rated as far as durability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/199">TS</a>]

00:03:22   and longevity and quality and they had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/202">TS</a>]

00:03:24   couple of like actual real problems with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/204">TS</a>]

00:03:26   quality but i think it's just a tough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/206">TS</a>]

00:03:28   category and they just didn't quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/208">TS</a>]

00:03:30   figure it out you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/210">TS</a>]

00:03:32   yeah it's just it it's okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/212">TS</a>]

00:03:35   they recruited you know they stand up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/215">TS</a>]

00:03:37   they stand alone as the only independent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/217">TS</a>]

00:03:40   company that's making fitness trackers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/220">TS</a>]

00:03:43   that that is worth even talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/223">TS</a>]

00:03:45   but it doesn't seem like they got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/225">TS</a>]

00:03:47   over the hump and it's i think in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/227">TS</a>]

00:03:49   particular Apple watch is is doing them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/229">TS</a>]

00:03:52   in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/232">TS</a>]

00:03:53   yeah I mean there's a heavy market in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/233">TS</a>]

00:03:55   this casual market of people who want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/235">TS</a>]

00:03:57   spend like let's say somewhere around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/237">TS</a>]

00:03:59   two three hundred dollars to track their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/239">TS</a>]

00:04:01   fitness it seems to me like Apple watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/241">TS</a>]

00:04:03   is starting to get real attraction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/243">TS</a>]

00:04:07   outside the early adopters you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/247">TS</a>]

00:04:09   market and I i think it's that fits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/249">TS</a>]

00:04:11   expense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/251">TS</a>]

00:04:13   yeah aiden is sort of the you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/253">TS</a>]

00:04:17   bought a phone they used to be I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/257">TS</a>]

00:04:19   maybe what 45 years ago you bought a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/259">TS</a>]

00:04:21   phone make phone calls and maybe write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/261">TS</a>]

00:04:22   text messages and you got all these apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/262">TS</a>]

00:04:24   with it you know you also the stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/264">TS</a>]

00:04:26   then you come to love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/266">TS</a>]

00:04:27   and pretty soon you're not making phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/267">TS</a>]

00:04:29   calls at all your texting everybody with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/269">TS</a>]

00:04:30   you know messenger or whatever but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/270">TS</a>]

00:04:33   think it's the same kind of concept you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/273">TS</a>]

00:04:35   know so people are saying hey you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/275">TS</a>]

00:04:36   now the price is getting to where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/276">TS</a>]

00:04:39   don't mind spending tuner box getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/279">TS</a>]

00:04:41   this thing and getting all these other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/281">TS</a>]

00:04:42   things with it but it's a great you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/282">TS</a>]

00:04:44   so solid fitness tracker that you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/284">TS</a>]

00:04:46   all these things so yeah have category [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/286">TS</a>]

00:04:49   and yes you mentioned a fit you know was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/289">TS</a>]

00:04:52   traveling alone on the backs of that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/292">TS</a>]

00:04:54   pnl right right so if you break out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/294">TS</a>]

00:04:56   Apple watches a business especially that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/296">TS</a>]

00:04:58   first launched quarter when it launched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/298">TS</a>]

00:05:00   I mean that stuff takes ramp time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/300">TS</a>]

00:05:03   know and when it's you're relying on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/303">TS</a>]

00:05:05   yourself in your own revenues and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/305">TS</a>]

00:05:06   whatever you know venture capital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/306">TS</a>]

00:05:08   obviously you have you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/308">TS</a>]

00:05:10   infinite runway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/310">TS</a>]

00:05:12   yeah you know yeah and i think i will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/312">TS</a>]

00:05:15   come back to this it on another topic in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/315">TS</a>]

00:05:18   a bit but I i I'm as guilty of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/318">TS</a>]

00:05:22   well maybe not has anybody but I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/322">TS</a>]

00:05:24   I'm guilty of it and I think others who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/324">TS</a>]

00:05:27   write about technology are seriously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/327">TS</a>]

00:05:30   guilty of being to show too focused on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/330">TS</a>]

00:05:34   the short term and not realizing how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/334">TS</a>]

00:05:36   long some things need to really get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/336">TS</a>]

00:05:41   mainstream acceptance you know like just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/341">TS</a>]

00:05:43   smartphones period you know it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/343">TS</a>]

00:05:45   remember that the what was the initial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/345">TS</a>]

00:05:47   goal it was like 10 million iphones in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/347">TS</a>]

00:05:50   the first year of sales something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/350">TS</a>]

00:05:52   that and and there would you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/352">TS</a>]

00:05:57   made it but it's like if you think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/357">TS</a>]

00:05:59   that now they sold 78 million phones in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/359">TS</a>]

00:06:02   three months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/362">TS</a>]

00:06:03   this last one order and whereas that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/363">TS</a>]

00:06:05   know back when it first came out 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/365">TS</a>]

00:06:07   years ago it was you know we're hoping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/367">TS</a>]

00:06:09   for 10 million in 12 months it it takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/369">TS</a>]

00:06:13   a long time you know and a part of it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/373">TS</a>]

00:06:15   just the simple common sense and I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/375">TS</a>]

00:06:17   other people have written about it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/377">TS</a>]

00:06:18   just there are people like me who will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/378">TS</a>]

00:06:21   go and buy an iphone on the day it comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/381">TS</a>]

00:06:23   out but most people even if they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/383">TS</a>]

00:06:26   curious and i still remember it with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/386">TS</a>]

00:06:27   original iphone where like people on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/387">TS</a>]

00:06:29   street would see me using it and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/389">TS</a>]

00:06:31   would say right without knowing who I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/391">TS</a>]

00:06:32   they would just say that iphone right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/392">TS</a>]

00:06:35   and they were obviously aware of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/395">TS</a>]

00:06:38   they probably have one now but the it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/398">TS</a>]

00:06:40   took years for them to be comfortable to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/400">TS</a>]

00:06:42   say okay i'll get one because I've you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/402">TS</a>]

00:06:44   know it there's like a comfort factor of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/404">TS</a>]

00:06:46   Noah and I think the watches on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/406">TS</a>]

00:06:48   trajectory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/408">TS</a>]

00:06:49   mmm yeah i think so I mean I think I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/409">TS</a>]

00:06:53   definitely had it right now it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/413">TS</a>]

00:06:57   exited that phase for me it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/417">TS</a>]

00:06:59   people see it on my wrist and go you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/419">TS</a>]

00:07:01   know like oh my god is an Apple watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/421">TS</a>]

00:07:02   what the dude say is oh you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/422">TS</a>]

00:07:06   thinking like it are used to using it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/426">TS</a>]

00:07:07   tonight which is an interesting way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/427">TS</a>]

00:07:09   phrase it right and i think that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/429">TS</a>]

00:07:11   partially from the narrative you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/431">TS</a>]

00:07:15   guess you could call it media narrative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/435">TS</a>]

00:07:16   or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/436">TS</a>]

00:07:17   hmm that the watch isn't all that useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/437">TS</a>]

00:07:21   long-term that there's initial the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/441">TS</a>]

00:07:23   initial wave of like oh hey a book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/443">TS</a>]

00:07:25   around and then eventually get tired of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/445">TS</a>]

00:07:27   it and put it away and I definitely know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/447">TS</a>]

00:07:28   that there are plenty of people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/448">TS</a>]

00:07:29   don't wear those anymore whatever right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/449">TS</a>]

00:07:31   there's gonna be that with any gadget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/451">TS</a>]

00:07:33   doesn't fit either what the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/453">TS</a>]

00:07:36   tried to sell you it was or what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/456">TS</a>]

00:07:39   know whatever their success or failure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/459">TS</a>]

00:07:41   and communicating what it was was or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/461">TS</a>]

00:07:43   your own vision of what how it would fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/463">TS</a>]

00:07:45   into your life didn't quite match up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/465">TS</a>]

00:07:46   with how it actually did right and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/466">TS</a>]

00:07:49   think that we've exited that phase and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/469">TS</a>]

00:07:52   now we're in a phase where the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/472">TS</a>]

00:07:53   that are still wearing it are advocating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/473">TS</a>]

00:07:56   in ways that are more specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/476">TS</a>]

00:07:58   they're like yes i love it because x y [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/478">TS</a>]

00:08:00   know right it's not like oh yes i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/480">TS</a>]

00:08:02   it and then like what do you like about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/482">TS</a>]

00:08:04   it wow look at all these things and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/484">TS</a>]

00:08:05   thing and that they don't think we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/485">TS</a>]

00:08:07   out of that you were into these are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/487">TS</a>]

00:08:09   practical benefits it offers me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/489">TS</a>]

00:08:11   oh yeah I have all my calendar stuff on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/491">TS</a>]

00:08:13   there like that's enough for most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/493">TS</a>]

00:08:14   or I have you know it's a great fitness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/494">TS</a>]

00:08:16   tracker you know I go to the gym every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/496">TS</a>]

00:08:19   day all right I cycle or swim or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/499">TS</a>]

00:08:21   know etc etc people are figuring out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/501">TS</a>]

00:08:23   things that work for them and so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/503">TS</a>]

00:08:26   it's more about the precise benefits on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/506">TS</a>]

00:08:29   an individual basis versus the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/509">TS</a>]

00:08:32   you know bolus of benefits that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/512">TS</a>]

00:08:35   theoretically apply to you you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/515">TS</a>]

00:08:38   i think that that that could be where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/518">TS</a>]

00:08:40   the sustained growth is coming from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/520">TS</a>]

00:08:42   versus the initial wave of who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/522">TS</a>]

00:08:44   yeah it's also true that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/524">TS</a>]

00:08:46   I mean we knew this this isn't something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/526">TS</a>]

00:08:48   we needed that to hear from tim cook on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/528">TS</a>]

00:08:50   the conference call today with you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/530">TS</a>]

00:08:52   tell just by going to the apple store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/532">TS</a>]

00:08:53   and trying to buy an Apple watch that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/533">TS</a>]

00:08:55   they were backordered foremost last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/535">TS</a>]

00:08:57   square or still are i think that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/537">TS</a>]

00:09:01   know they could make them fast enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/541">TS</a>]

00:09:02   which is a good sign I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/542">TS</a>]

00:09:05   yeah i mean i think initially you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/545">TS</a>]

00:09:09   you never know whether they just didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/549">TS</a>]

00:09:10   know how many to make or what or whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/550">TS</a>]

00:09:13   they didn't know what the right mix was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/553">TS</a>]

00:09:15   right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/555">TS</a>]

00:09:16   additionally there was a lot more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/556">TS</a>]

00:09:17   buying steel then maybe they thought and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/557">TS</a>]

00:09:20   so there was no sin credibly hard to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/560">TS</a>]

00:09:22   steel ones for a long time but now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/562">TS</a>]

00:09:24   think they're getting the mix figured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/564">TS</a>]

00:09:25   out so if they have that makes figured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/565">TS</a>]

00:09:27   out that eliminates that and now you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/567">TS</a>]

00:09:30   looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/570">TS</a>]

00:09:30   yeah they're just having a hard time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/570">TS</a>]

00:09:32   keeping up with in which theoretically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/572">TS</a>]

00:09:33   should be a good thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/573">TS</a>]

00:09:35   on the flip side they're keeping up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/575">TS</a>]

00:09:37   it so there are selling as many as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/577">TS</a>]

00:09:39   could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/579">TS</a>]

00:09:39   which is you know not great for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/579">TS</a>]

00:09:41   shareholders or whatever you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/581">TS</a>]

00:09:42   call it now with iphone sales rebounding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/582">TS</a>]

00:09:47   and actually growing and breaking a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/587">TS</a>]

00:09:49   record it did even with that even saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/589">TS</a>]

00:09:53   it to record it's clear it's it's a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/593">TS</a>]

00:09:57   fractions of a percentage you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/597">TS</a>]

00:09:59   think I think it's 78 million they sold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/599">TS</a>]

00:10:00   in 12 years ago that was the previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/600">TS</a>]

00:10:02   record was like 74 million phones or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/602">TS</a>]

00:10:05   something like that so the e the years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/605">TS</a>]

00:10:08   of raw fifty percent growth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/608">TS</a>]

00:10:10   year-over-year are over and i think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/610">TS</a>]

00:10:13   you know common sense would tell you why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/613">TS</a>]

00:10:15   it's because the smartphone is sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/615">TS</a>]

00:10:17   at a saturated product I mean not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/617">TS</a>]

00:10:20   there's no room for growth and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/620">TS</a>]

00:10:21   certain markets but for the most part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/621">TS</a>]

00:10:23   over the last 10 years we've reached the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/623">TS</a>]

00:10:25   point where almost everybody who might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/625">TS</a>]

00:10:29   get a smartphone has a smartphone right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/629">TS</a>]

00:10:33   well i mean i think it looks like there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/633">TS</a>]

00:10:37   was a decline in China but every other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/637">TS</a>]

00:10:40   market grew yeah which is that's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/640">TS</a>]

00:10:44   solid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/644">TS</a>]

00:10:45   I mean China is its own Beast you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/645">TS</a>]

00:10:47   it's incredibly difficult to do business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/647">TS</a>]

00:10:48   there as Apple has found over the years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/648">TS</a>]

00:10:50   you know and we only know the public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/650">TS</a>]

00:10:52   stuff we don't know that many challenges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/652">TS</a>]

00:10:55   they come up against with the government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/655">TS</a>]

00:10:57   and everything else that don't quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/657">TS</a>]

00:10:59   make it to the page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/659">TS</a>]

00:11:00   but outside of that every other region [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/660">TS</a>]

00:11:03   was growing and I think that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/663">TS</a>]

00:11:05   think of saturation and replacement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/665">TS</a>]

00:11:08   cycles and things like that the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/668">TS</a>]

00:11:11   that do you think of those things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/671">TS</a>]

00:11:13   not eat they're not communicating it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/673">TS</a>]

00:11:16   well or I should say that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/676">TS</a>]

00:11:17   communicated fine in there in their vain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/677">TS</a>]

00:11:19   but it's hard to characterize those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/679">TS</a>]

00:11:23   things and turn them into very human you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/683">TS</a>]

00:11:26   know sentences or or ideas or concepts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/686">TS</a>]

00:11:29   for people that can help them understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/689">TS</a>]

00:11:32   where the growth is coming from and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/692">TS</a>]

00:11:33   whether sustained growth will come from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/693">TS</a>]

00:11:35   because it's like you could say hey you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/695">TS</a>]

00:11:37   know ever every ex years people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/697">TS</a>]

00:11:39   going to replace their iphone and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/699">TS</a>]

00:11:41   changes based on you know major design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/701">TS</a>]

00:11:43   changes right sort of major design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/703">TS</a>]

00:11:45   change here the replacement cycle may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/705">TS</a>]

00:11:47   lowered by thirty percent and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/707">TS</a>]

00:11:49   can also go to like you know there's new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/709">TS</a>]

00:11:52   people being born so people are turning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/712">TS</a>]

00:11:54   what 12 13 or 14 now that were you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/714">TS</a>]

00:11:59   just born when the iphone came out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/719">TS</a>]

00:12:02   they're getting phone so we're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/722">TS</a>]

00:12:03   into like the first wave of like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/723">TS</a>]

00:12:07   new iphone consumers first-generation my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/727">TS</a>]

00:12:10   phone consumers so there are lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/730">TS</a>]

00:12:12   factors it's a very like liquid thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/732">TS</a>]

00:12:14   and everybody treats it like oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/734">TS</a>]

00:12:16   everybody has a phone one at you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/736">TS</a>]

00:12:17   has won once once that's it but i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/737">TS</a>]

00:12:20   apple is looking at growth in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/740">TS</a>]

00:12:22   all of these variables and and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/742">TS</a>]

00:12:24   projections show you know revenue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/744">TS</a>]

00:12:26   projection guidance wise you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/746">TS</a>]

00:12:28   like 51 I guess 253 billion something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/748">TS</a>]

00:12:31   like that you know that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/751">TS</a>]

00:12:32   projecting which is not crazy high but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/752">TS</a>]

00:12:36   not like by any means and so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/756">TS</a>]

00:12:37   that you know I think that they feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/757">TS</a>]

00:12:39   that they've got the growth out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/759">TS</a>]

00:12:41   yeah in those pockets and I think that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/761">TS</a>]

00:12:46   i think a lot of people thought you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/766">TS</a>]

00:12:50   long story short last year for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/770">TS</a>]

00:12:52   calendar year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/772">TS</a>]

00:12:53   iphone sales were down year-over-year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/773">TS</a>]

00:12:55   the success seemingly didn't sell as or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/775">TS</a>]

00:12:59   didn't sell as well as the six and i say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/779">TS</a>]

00:13:03   that my only hesitation in saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/783">TS</a>]

00:13:05   is is my presumption that most iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/785">TS</a>]

00:13:07   sold our the the new you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/787">TS</a>]

00:13:10   top-of-the-line new model and because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/790">TS</a>]

00:13:12   you don't know that they don't break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/792">TS</a>]

00:13:13   that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/793">TS</a>]

00:13:13   down for competitive reasons so in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/793">TS</a>]

00:13:15   theory right you know they could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/795">TS</a>]

00:13:17   sold you know the iphone SE could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/797">TS</a>]

00:13:19   secretly be the best selling iphone but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/799">TS</a>]

00:13:21   anecdotally it certainly seems that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/801">TS</a>]

00:13:24   doesn't seem the way most people by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/804">TS</a>]

00:13:26   the best 1i think some people saw last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/806">TS</a>]

00:13:31   year's slight dip and thought you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/811">TS</a>]

00:13:33   whether it was just to be dramatic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/813">TS</a>]

00:13:36   you know make clickbait predictions but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/816">TS</a>]

00:13:40   you know so does the beginning of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/820">TS</a>]

00:13:41   trend as opposed to the counter-argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/821">TS</a>]

00:13:44   was just that it looks like a dip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/824">TS</a>]

00:13:46   because the six was such an outlier in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/826">TS</a>]

00:13:50   terms of their having been so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/830">TS</a>]

00:13:52   pent-up demand for a quote unquote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/832">TS</a>]

00:13:54   bigger iphone who and I think this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/834">TS</a>]

00:13:59   know the numbers they just announced for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/839">TS</a>]

00:14:01   the iphone 7 certainly back that up that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/841">TS</a>]

00:14:03   it's it was just an outlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/843">TS</a>]

00:14:05   yeah i think so i think the plus I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/845">TS</a>]

00:14:09   Tim said on the call that the iphone 7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/849">TS</a>]

00:14:12   plus was the highest portion in was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/852">TS</a>]

00:14:14   higher portion of the mix that fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/854">TS</a>]

00:14:16   yeah so that you know people are getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/856">TS</a>]

00:14:19   acclimated to the larger phones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/859">TS</a>]

00:14:21   increases their profit margins obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/861">TS</a>]

00:14:24   because the larger phones don't cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/864">TS</a>]

00:14:25   them you know whatever percent learn her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/865">TS</a>]

00:14:28   whatever percent more to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/868">TS</a>]

00:14:30   increases their asp their average [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/870">TS</a>]

00:14:32   selling price which is always a guidance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/872">TS</a>]

00:14:34   point that like analysts love to look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/874">TS</a>]

00:14:36   because it means that for every every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/876">TS</a>]

00:14:39   amount of ounce of effort they put into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/879">TS</a>]

00:14:40   marketing or whatever the case may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/880">TS</a>]

00:14:42   the return is higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/882">TS</a>]

00:14:44   you know because you get the individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/884">TS</a>]

00:14:46   unit that's a higher higher price and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/886">TS</a>]

00:14:48   really cost you roughly the same amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/888">TS</a>]

00:14:50   to sell that as it does anything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/890">TS</a>]

00:14:52   you know it's like growing a tall tree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/892">TS</a>]

00:14:54   versus a short tree and they're both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/894">TS</a>]

00:14:56   trees right now so there's there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/896">TS</a>]

00:14:58   definite like positivity around that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/898">TS</a>]

00:15:02   think I've been seeing that the bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/902">TS</a>]

00:15:04   phones are people love them they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/904">TS</a>]

00:15:06   taking them up and they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/906">TS</a>]

00:15:09   buying more than ever it is interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/909">TS</a>]

00:15:11   and you know i think apple is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/911">TS</a>]

00:15:14   good at this stuff but it's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/914">TS</a>]

00:15:16   interesting to see them admit that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/916">TS</a>]

00:15:18   don't that their their estimates were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/918">TS</a>]

00:15:20   off and it's you know like you said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/920">TS</a>]

00:15:23   they've admitted that the the mix of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/923">TS</a>]

00:15:25   plus to the non plus 7 even know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/925">TS</a>]

00:15:27   regular iphone 7 they said was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/927">TS</a>]

00:15:29   best-selling model the plus sold better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/929">TS</a>]

00:15:32   this year than it has a guest in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/932">TS</a>]

00:15:34   previous two years and write that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/934">TS</a>]

00:15:37   mix of them you know then versus the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/937">TS</a>]

00:15:39   other right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/939">TS</a>]

00:15:40   I makes me wonder in particular if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/940">TS</a>]

00:15:44   the the camera in particular I it when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/944">TS</a>]

00:15:49   it's got me right i mean yeah sure part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/949">TS</a>]

00:15:51   of it is just getting used to bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/951">TS</a>]

00:15:52   size for the camera has to drive like X [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/952">TS</a>]

00:15:54   percent of it like I'm not I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/954">TS</a>]

00:15:56   pulling out a number let's say thirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/956">TS</a>]

00:15:58   percent of the decisions to buy that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/958">TS</a>]

00:16:00   phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/960">TS</a>]

00:16:00   we're always got the better camera so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/960">TS</a>]

00:16:02   let's get that one right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/962">TS</a>]

00:16:04   yeah and it seems like something that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/964">TS</a>]

00:16:07   you can see it when you're in the store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/967">TS</a>]

00:16:10   like if you go into store and you're on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/970">TS</a>]

00:16:12   the fence over whether to get an iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/972">TS</a>]

00:16:13   7 or 7 plus starting this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/973">TS</a>]

00:16:17   you can tell just by looking without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/977">TS</a>]

00:16:18   even trying the camera it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/978">TS</a>]

00:16:20   different right it's it's double the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/980">TS</a>]

00:16:22   size it looks like it you know you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/982">TS</a>]

00:16:23   see that it has like optic that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/983">TS</a>]

00:16:26   previous years that's the plus models [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/986">TS</a>]

00:16:28   had the optical image stabilization with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/988">TS</a>]

00:16:30   the starting with the six it was forced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/990">TS</a>]

00:16:32   stills only in a success added it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/992">TS</a>]

00:16:36   video that's a great feature especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/996">TS</a>]

00:16:40   for video I mean it's it i add it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1000">TS</a>]

00:16:44   almost unbelievable how good some of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1004">TS</a>]

00:16:46   little home family videos come out now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1006">TS</a>]

00:16:48   uh yeah because of image stabilization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1008">TS</a>]

00:16:50   on video but you can't see it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1010">TS</a>]

00:16:56   store so it's just a bullet point and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1016">TS</a>]

00:16:58   everybody is I think it it you build up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1018">TS</a>]

00:17:02   an immunity to bullet points because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:04   every time you buy anything whether it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1024">TS</a>]

00:17:06   a car or a toaster oven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1026">TS</a>]

00:17:09   you know it everything has bullet point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1029">TS</a>]

00:17:11   yeah here's the features that your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1031">TS</a>]

00:17:13   coffee maker has 12 cups you know it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1033">TS</a>]

00:17:17   a large coffee right makes coffee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1037">TS</a>]

00:17:21   whereas you just look at the back of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1041">TS</a>]

00:17:24   seven plus and you could get the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:26   that the camera is better on this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:29   than the smaller one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1049">TS</a>]

00:17:30   it seems visceral because you just look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1050">TS</a>]

00:17:32   at it I can't help but think that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1052">TS</a>]

00:17:33   actually successfully bumped sales of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1053">TS</a>]

00:17:36   this which in turn makes me think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1056">TS</a>]

00:17:39   yeah that if you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1059">TS</a>]

00:17:41   it they may not be done we this might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1061">TS</a>]

00:17:44   just be the start of the bigger more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1064">TS</a>]

00:17:46   expensive iPhone having tangibly better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1066">TS</a>]

00:17:49   camera technology just because it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1069">TS</a>]

00:17:52   seems like it's proof that it can drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1072">TS</a>]

00:17:53   sales [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1073">TS</a>]

00:17:54   I think you're you're right at there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1074">TS</a>]

00:17:56   two things I think are really driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1076">TS</a>]

00:17:59   this i have a hundred percent agree that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1079">TS</a>]

00:18:01   the difference could actually you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1081">TS</a>]

00:18:03   the physical difference the way it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1083">TS</a>]

00:18:05   could definitely make a big difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1085">TS</a>]

00:18:07   but you're right on there in it i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1087">TS</a>]

00:18:09   there will people be people listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1089">TS</a>]

00:18:11   this and they'll laugh and be like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1091">TS</a>]

00:18:13   yeah I do you know people just look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:15   the back of it and going oh yeah this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1095">TS</a>]

00:18:16   one's bigger got a bigger camera thingy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1096">TS</a>]

00:18:18   on and i'm gonna buy that but he I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:21   people would be shocked especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1101">TS</a>]

00:18:23   people that listen to this show which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:25   you know this subset of people that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1105">TS</a>]

00:18:27   in the world that listen to the show you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:30   know how much higher technical savvy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1110">TS</a>]

00:18:32   than average probably do a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1112">TS</a>]

00:18:33   research on products and average you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:36   know if you were doing a demographic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1116">TS</a>]

00:18:37   survey i think that none of these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1117">TS</a>]

00:18:38   would be surprising right but i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1118">TS</a>]

00:18:41   people underestimate very heavily how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1121">TS</a>]

00:18:43   little research people do when they go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1123">TS</a>]

00:18:44   to buy stuff in a store like they'll go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1124">TS</a>]

00:18:46   to the store to get a phone and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1126">TS</a>]

00:18:49   having looked at a single thing online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1129">TS</a>]

00:18:50   or asked anybody or whatever and they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1130">TS</a>]

00:18:54   just go and they'll just like I want the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1134">TS</a>]

00:18:55   best along X or Y personal axis you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1135">TS</a>]

00:18:59   best camera or most storage or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:03   honestly whatever most recent problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:04   they had is probably how they pick and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1144">TS</a>]

00:19:07   I've seen this myself I used to work in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1147">TS</a>]

00:19:09   big-box retail and you know have sold a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1149">TS</a>]

00:19:12   lot of different things over the years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1152">TS</a>]

00:19:13   but the one of the times i was selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:15   like digital cameras especially this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1155">TS</a>]

00:19:18   like early in the early digital camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1158">TS</a>]

00:19:20   is very early and you know somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1160">TS</a>]

00:19:22   comes in is looking like a magic against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1162">TS</a>]

00:19:24   sony mavica which one of the ones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1164">TS</a>]

00:19:26   took the floppy disks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1166">TS</a>]

00:19:27   yeah you would throw those in there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1167">TS</a>]

00:19:29   you know they honestly nine times outta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1169">TS</a>]

00:19:33   ten all they want is which one has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:35   biggest number on the box they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1175">TS</a>]

00:19:37   literally look at the boxes and they go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1177">TS</a>]

00:19:38   all this one has 10 that one has eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:40   and you know well yes but the one that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1180">TS</a>]

00:19:42   I mean if you're an honest person you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1182">TS</a>]

00:19:45   know the one that's eight that slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1185">TS</a>]

00:19:46   less is actually better for you because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1186">TS</a>]

00:19:48   I don't know it has this swivel thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1188">TS</a>]

00:19:50   and you really need that for whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1190">TS</a>]

00:19:51   you're doing but if you don't have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1191">TS</a>]

00:19:53   person there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1193">TS</a>]

00:19:54   that decision is getting made based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1194">TS</a>]

00:19:56   the number on the box right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1196">TS</a>]

00:19:58   hey that's ten this was aight i'll get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1198">TS</a>]

00:20:00   the 10 right i have the money that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1200">TS</a>]

00:20:01   fine we'll go and that i think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:03   people make those decisions that way a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1203">TS</a>]

00:20:06   lot more than most people think and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:08   though apple store employees are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1208">TS</a>]

00:20:11   theoretically better informed than your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1211">TS</a>]

00:20:13   average big-box retailer they don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1213">TS</a>]

00:20:15   the time Apple stores are more crowded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1215">TS</a>]

00:20:17   than ever people are making decisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1217">TS</a>]

00:20:18   without intervention by an employee and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1218">TS</a>]

00:20:21   just asking the employee to set it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1221">TS</a>]

00:20:23   for them and hopefully the employee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1223">TS</a>]

00:20:25   maybe intervenes at some point if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1225">TS</a>]

00:20:26   feel it's the wrong product for them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1226">TS</a>]

00:20:28   tries to switch the something that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:29   but there's no guarantees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1229">TS</a>]

00:20:31   so I think that literally the physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1231">TS</a>]

00:20:33   difference in the camera could have make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1233">TS</a>]

00:20:36   a real big difference for people because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1236">TS</a>]

00:20:38   of those reasons and it's it seems silly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1238">TS</a>]

00:20:41   or obvious or whatever but people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:45   silly and obvious when they buy you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1245">TS</a>]

00:20:47   that's just remove them and vast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1247">TS</a>]

00:20:48   majority of consumers that way and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:51   think it's also telling how long Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1251">TS</a>]

00:20:53   has stuck with the shot shot on iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1253">TS</a>]

00:20:57   ad campaign you know and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1257">TS</a>]

00:21:00   shelter said it when he was on my show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1260">TS</a>]

00:21:02   forget it was last year that the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1262">TS</a>]

00:21:05   time two years ago where I I think name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1265">TS</a>]

00:21:07   drop by the I asked him like dude I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1267">TS</a>]

00:21:11   think it was two years ago because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1271">TS</a>]

00:21:12   think last year would have it was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1272">TS</a>]

00:21:13   obvious it would it wasn't too late to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1273">TS</a>]

00:21:15   ask but I just said like it do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:18   consider apple one of the leading camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:21   companies in the world and his answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1281">TS</a>]

00:21:22   was the leading camera company in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1282">TS</a>]

00:21:24   world i mean threats totally how he sees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1284">TS</a>]

00:21:26   you know it the importance of the camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1286">TS</a>]

00:21:29   on the on the phone and I really did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1289">TS</a>]

00:21:31   there's no other explanation I can think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1291">TS</a>]

00:21:33   of for why this the mix of plus 2 non [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:35   plus would grow up this year because one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1295">TS</a>]

00:21:38   of the big complaints about that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:40   iphone 7 is that it quote unquote looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:41   just like the iphone 6 and success that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1301">TS</a>]

00:21:43   it's otherwise who cares i just it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:48   like the obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:49   yeah and it's it's a it's a great lever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1309">TS</a>]

00:21:54   to get people to buy that bigger phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1314">TS</a>]

00:21:56   even though they don't want the bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1316">TS</a>]

00:21:58   screen you know because people are often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1318">TS</a>]

00:22:00   just shocked by how large it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1320">TS</a>]

00:22:02   physically when they hold it you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:04   I had somebody if I have a7 now but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1324">TS</a>]

00:22:07   I off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:08   use the seven plus special traveling and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1328">TS</a>]

00:22:10   so if i had to somebody there homey and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1330">TS</a>]

00:22:12   this is big you know if they've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1332">TS</a>]

00:22:13   used one real one but it's a testament [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:16   to how how driven by camera people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1336">TS</a>]

00:22:20   no don't put up with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:22   so to speak and knowing how hard the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1342">TS</a>]

00:22:26   camera team at apple had to push to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:30   this thing even work right that dual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1350">TS</a>]

00:22:33   camera thing up which is a fairly it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:35   really significant technical you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:37   achievement and it's another company had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1357">TS</a>]

00:22:40   done this I mean Apple you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1360">TS</a>]

00:22:42   took their own horn a lot right but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:45   another company had done this they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1365">TS</a>]

00:22:47   have to 10 times as much as it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1367">TS</a>]

00:22:49   actually a very very very very difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:50   technical problem what they achieved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1370">TS</a>]

00:22:52   here and it out of everything in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1372">TS</a>]

00:22:55   camera the the excuse me out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:59   everything in the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1379">TS</a>]

00:23:01   the camera is really the only thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:03   that's pushing the processor to its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1383">TS</a>]

00:23:06   limits into its absolute peak limits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1386">TS</a>]

00:23:09   right now you know I mean you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1389">TS</a>]

00:23:11   game or whatever the case maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1391">TS</a>]

00:23:12   know what the limits are they work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:14   within those but most games that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1394">TS</a>]

00:23:17   average that people play are really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1397">TS</a>]

00:23:19   pushing that hard games is probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1399">TS</a>]

00:23:21   number to category but above that and up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:24   far above anything else that most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1404">TS</a>]

00:23:26   do on their phones or most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1406">TS</a>]

00:23:28   capabilities of the phone which are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1408">TS</a>]

00:23:29   pretty well known by now that the camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1409">TS</a>]

00:23:32   in that net seven-plus with its dual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1412">TS</a>]

00:23:35   lens and in twin capture and blending of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1415">TS</a>]

00:23:38   the pair of photos and all of the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1418">TS</a>]

00:23:41   that it does it really is pushing very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1421">TS</a>]

00:23:43   very hard that a series chip so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1423">TS</a>]

00:23:47   like a leading driver of the power the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1427">TS</a>]

00:23:50   chip power that's in the phone because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:53   that chip does and has done everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1433">TS</a>]

00:23:55   it needs to do for most people for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1435">TS</a>]

00:23:57   very long time you know for several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1437">TS</a>]

00:23:59   generations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1439">TS</a>]

00:24:00   yeah and so it's it's driving forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1440">TS</a>]

00:24:02   the processing capability and power of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:05   the phone and I think it's not driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1445">TS</a>]

00:24:07   sales along with it and it's it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:09   clearly instrumental in the poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1449">TS</a>]

00:24:12   treatment or is you know at like why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1452">TS</a>]

00:24:16   know why did portrait mode and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1456">TS</a>]

00:24:18   dual-mode thing ship this year I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1458">TS</a>]

00:24:21   part of it was I think that the camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:22   engineering just the camera itself took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:26   a long time I think it's complicated and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:27   just the the the algorithm of how are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1467">TS</a>]

00:24:30   you going to use these two lenses for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:34   zooming and and etc etc but i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1474">TS</a>]

00:24:37   another part of it too was that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:38   coincident with the a-series chip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:41   getting fast enough that you can do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:42   on the fly from what I know about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1482">TS</a>]

00:24:45   long it took them to build this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1485">TS</a>]

00:24:47   obviously everybody knows that it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:49   ship with the phone right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:51   it shipped the ships of a week later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1491">TS</a>]

00:24:52   right I don't think that was true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1492">TS</a>]

00:24:54   teaching and now i think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1494">TS</a>]

00:24:56   necessary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1496">TS</a>]

00:24:57   yeah it was it was absolutely necessary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1497">TS</a>]

00:24:59   for them to actually make it work like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1499">TS</a>]

00:25:01   finish it and get it to work and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:04   doesn't happen if you've been able to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:05   it for a processor generation right let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1505">TS</a>]

00:25:07   you use it you know literally Matthew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:10   bands are you know where the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:11   person I knew who had access to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1511">TS</a>]

00:25:12   because you got a pre-release version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:15   it at least a couple of days ahead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:17   the beta coming out and you had like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1517">TS</a>]

00:25:20   nice little exclusive on on techcrunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:23   with with adorable pictures of your your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:25   daughter but they were really want a pic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:28   they chose well because you're you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1528">TS</a>]

00:25:30   you've got a background in photography [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:31   so you're not just sitting there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1531">TS</a>]

00:25:33   shooting pictures of here you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1533">TS</a>]

00:25:36   don't know your desk or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:37   yeah but I think you could I even when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1537">TS</a>]

00:25:40   it first came out and they let us use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:42   the beta there were performance problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:45   with it that that happens been ironed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1545">TS</a>]

00:25:47   out and now it's just there is a sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:49   it just works you put in portrait mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1549">TS</a>]

00:25:51   the preview is live the phone doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:53   get hot and it just works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1553">TS</a>]

00:25:55   yeah that stuff is being iterated on as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1555">TS</a>]

00:25:57   we speak like you and I are talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1557">TS</a>]

00:25:58   right now it's four o'clock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1558">TS</a>]

00:26:00   you know I'm sure the camera team is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:02   still working on updates to that thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:04   right because it's it's a living [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:07   document you know in terms of the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1567">TS</a>]

00:26:10   that it performs the edge detection gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1570">TS</a>]

00:26:12   better every iteration and the the blur [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:14   effect gets more organic and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1574">TS</a>]

00:26:16   natural you know that they're able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1576">TS</a>]

00:26:18   push that processor via optimization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:20   because obviously the hardware and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1580">TS</a>]

00:26:21   changed right so they are able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1581">TS</a>]

00:26:23   optimize the process is further so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1583">TS</a>]

00:26:25   they're able to do more and more complex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:26   calculations on that but it really is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:28   bleeding edge stuff like there no nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1588">TS</a>]

00:26:31   else is pushing this hard and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1591">TS</a>]

00:26:32   were very quick they don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:34   published that preview and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:36   eventually when when we did that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1596">TS</a>]

00:26:38   the review the phone and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1598">TS</a>]

00:26:40   we were very quick to say all you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1600">TS</a>]

00:26:41   what this model or that model from some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:43   other brand has been doing the years at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1603">TS</a>]

00:26:45   yada it's true that other brands have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1605">TS</a>]

00:26:50   done this show blur thing but not in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1610">TS</a>]

00:26:53   this way and not to this level of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1613">TS</a>]

00:26:55   sophistication and to be honest even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:57   though some of the results were kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1617">TS</a>]

00:26:59   hinky up front you know what's gonna get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1619">TS</a>]

00:27:01   better because they're dedicated to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:02   making it better and they have they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1622">TS</a>]

00:27:04   this is a primary driver of purchases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:07   whereas a lot of these other phones it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1627">TS</a>]

00:27:09   was a one-off gimmick to try and sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:11   phones that quarter and really is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:13   to get no significant updates in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:15   future you know and it's it's a shame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1635">TS</a>]

00:27:18   but nobody else is really driving like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:19   that Samsung works sort of backwards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1639">TS</a>]

00:27:22   right from like oh you know what did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1642">TS</a>]

00:27:24   what do we think the market wants this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1644">TS</a>]

00:27:26   quarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:27   let's try to produce that and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1647">TS</a>]

00:27:29   know they're i'm not saying that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1649">TS</a>]

00:27:31   their products are not you know solid or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:33   you know decent or whatever if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1653">TS</a>]

00:27:35   don't explode but there isn't there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1655">TS</a>]

00:27:38   drive there to get that kind of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1658">TS</a>]

00:27:41   right because they know that this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1661">TS</a>]

00:27:46   thing that people want it's not it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:48   what they say they want which is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:50   megapixels or you know sharper images or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:53   were these crude terms that they used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1673">TS</a>]

00:27:55   describe it it's actually they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1675">TS</a>]

00:27:57   their pictures look more like pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1677">TS</a>]

00:27:58   and that's a really nebulous thing until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1678">TS</a>]

00:28:00   you you know you sort of figure out how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:02   to define that I think there's been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:04   lot of time trying to define that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:05   people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1685">TS</a>]

00:28:06   yeah I also think it is the clearest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:11   path that I can think of because I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1691">TS</a>]

00:28:13   fail and certain other forms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1693">TS</a>]

00:28:15   imagination of how can the iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:18   continue to get better and there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1698">TS</a>]

00:28:22   some little things you know like a like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:25   the true tone color that the ipad pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1705">TS</a>]

00:28:28   has that would be great to eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1708">TS</a>]

00:28:30   have it on the iphone to there's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1710">TS</a>]

00:28:32   know but that I can't see the display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1712">TS</a>]

00:28:35   quality quality wise getting radically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:38   better so much so that it would that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1718">TS</a>]

00:28:40   why you get a new phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:42   everybody's Reuters rumors are rampant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1722">TS</a>]

00:28:44   that the industrial design is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:46   change and they're going to get rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1726">TS</a>]

00:28:47   the head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:48   forehead and just sort of go from top to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1728">TS</a>]

00:28:50   bottom left to right edge-to-edge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1730">TS</a>]

00:28:51   display and visually that would be very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1731">TS</a>]

00:28:54   striking if it looks super cool then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1734">TS</a>]

00:28:59   could see that driving sales but how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1739">TS</a>]

00:29:00   many do you know after you do that how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1740">TS</a>]

00:29:02   does it keep going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1742">TS</a>]

00:29:03   whereas the camera can continue to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:05   better every 12 months maybe not in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:08   radical way because you run up in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1748">TS</a>]

00:29:10   limits of physics but you know and lens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:13   optics but in a tangible way and that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:17   you're only if you're on like a two or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:18   three-year upgrade cycle you can get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1758">TS</a>]

00:29:20   radically better camera every time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1760">TS</a>]

00:29:21   upgrade to a new phone back to me could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1761">TS</a>]

00:29:24   continue to drive sales about where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:27   are right now for the iphone four years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1767">TS</a>]

00:29:28   to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:29   yeah yeah there's there's not much else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1769">TS</a>]

00:29:34   for them to chip away at and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:37   there will be new opportunities in other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:40   categories that may even involve the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1780">TS</a>]

00:29:42   camera you know they are augmented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:45   reality or VR whatever the case but as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:47   far as like the on-device components [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1787">TS</a>]

00:29:50   there they're pretty well along towards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:53   a you know diminishing returns right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:57   yeah i agree Cameras Cameras a primary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1797">TS</a>]

00:30:00   driver they're all right let me take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:01   break here and thank our first sponsors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:03   a new sponsor very excited about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:05   company company ministry of supply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:07   ministry of supply makes performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1807">TS</a>]

00:30:12   dress clothes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1812">TS</a>]

00:30:14   what does that mean well it was launched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:15   by a bunch of a group of it former [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:17   engineers engineering students from MIT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1817">TS</a>]

00:30:20   and they make fabrics performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1820">TS</a>]

00:30:25   fabrics the type of things that are on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:27   like gym clothes but they use them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1827">TS</a>]

00:30:29   make a dress clothes like stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:32   you'd wear to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:33   they are breathable they are flexible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:36   they are way more comfortable totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1836">TS</a>]

00:30:39   feel different and even less resist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1839">TS</a>]

00:30:42   they're even more resistant to wrinkles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1842">TS</a>]

00:30:43   should say less resistant more resistant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1843">TS</a>]

00:30:45   they sent me some samples they sent me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:48   jacket very nice jacket and a very nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:50   dress shirt the dress shirt is is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:52   really really nice feels great looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:56   great and even when i took out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1856">TS</a>]

00:30:58   box my wife even commented on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1858">TS</a>]

00:31:00   shirt she was like well what is that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1860">TS</a>]

00:31:02   know because it just looks a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1862">TS</a>]

00:31:04   different not like in terms of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1864">TS</a>]

00:31:05   weird but just sort of like he's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:07   nice Sheen to it was very very nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1867">TS</a>]

00:31:09   they also sent me some socks just socks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:11   and they're very comfortable socks so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1871">TS</a>]

00:31:16   here's what a is one of the examples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:17   men's future forward dress shirt I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:20   that's the one they sent me it regulate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:22   your body temperature based on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:24   surroundings keeps you warmer when it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1884">TS</a>]

00:31:26   cold keeps you cooler when it's warm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1886">TS</a>]

00:31:28   there dress shots are made out of coffee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1888">TS</a>]

00:31:30   fibers that whisks wet and absorb odor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1890">TS</a>]

00:31:34   they provide extreme question and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:36   shockingly comfortable i can vouch for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1896">TS</a>]

00:31:38   that the socks are super comfortable no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1898">TS</a>]

00:31:41   risk they offer free shipping free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:43   returns and a wonder day no questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1903">TS</a>]

00:31:45   asked return policy so you can buy your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:49   clothes get your shirt find out it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:51   slightly wrong sighs maybe you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:52   have got no one little smaller little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1912">TS</a>]

00:31:54   bigger send it back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1914">TS</a>]

00:31:56   totally free of 200 days couldn't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1916">TS</a>]

00:31:58   better go to their website is Ministry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1918">TS</a>]

00:32:02   of supply.com / the talkshow Ministry of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:08   supply.com / the talk show and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:12   they'll do if you go there is they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1932">TS</a>]

00:32:15   send you a free pair of their moisture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:17   wicking dress socks for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1937">TS</a>]

00:32:20   fifteen dollar value with your first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1940">TS</a>]

00:32:22   purchase and they also have seven retail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:24   stores including bethesda maryland [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:27   Chicago and Atlanta and you can go into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:29   the retail stores if there's one near [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:31   you and just mention the talk show when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:34   you checkout and you'll get that same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:35   free pair of socks so my thanks to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:38   Ministry of supply great great sponsor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1958">TS</a>]

00:32:41   love it really really cool stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1961">TS</a>]

00:32:43   what next on the on a the results front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:47   ipad maybe ipad sales were 16 million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1967">TS</a>]

00:32:52   last year the same quarter and third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:54   down to 13 million this quarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:55   I don't know what to make it up i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1975">TS</a>]

00:33:00   know i mean i think that i think we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:05   still we're still trying to find the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:09   replacement cycle and they and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:12   bottom of it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1992">TS</a>]

00:33:14   the what we call it the bottom the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:16   bottom of the pencil mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:18   yeah but where it starts to swing back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:20   up and people repurchase or steady [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:22   stabilizes anyway yeah i don't know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:26   mean i think there's two schools of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:28   thought on this I think you could argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2008">TS</a>]

00:33:29   that you know iPads are built really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:31   well and they handle you know single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2011">TS</a>]

00:33:34   tasks and it's sort of like you got up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2014">TS</a>]

00:33:37   apple sold a framing hammer to someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2017">TS</a>]

00:33:43   to hang pictures right mm so like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2023">TS</a>]

00:33:47   video you go to the hardware store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:49   there's five kinds of hammer there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2029">TS</a>]

00:33:51   there's a you know picture hanging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2031">TS</a>]

00:33:53   hammer which comes in a little like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:55   plastic piano bubble pack in its got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2035">TS</a>]

00:34:00   like a few finish nails and the Hammers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:02   like if you have anything bigger than a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2042">TS</a>]

00:34:04   teeny-tiny nail into a plaster or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2044">TS</a>]

00:34:07   whatever it just hit the head falls off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2047">TS</a>]

00:34:09   right and you go all the way up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2049">TS</a>]

00:34:11   scale through all the different hammers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2051">TS</a>]

00:34:13   to a framing hammer framing hammer is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2053">TS</a>]

00:34:15   hammer that like slams in 10 penny nails [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2055">TS</a>]

00:34:18   to two-by-fours a two by sixes on a on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:21   construction lot right the framing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:22   hammer is reinforced its got like a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2062">TS</a>]

00:34:25   Tang thats thats you know really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:27   thoroughly embedded in the head and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2067">TS</a>]

00:34:29   you swing that thing paying you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2069">TS</a>]

00:34:31   goes it's gonna waffle head to see you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:33   know the nail got nice and and trunk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:35   down and you can see that you got your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2075">TS</a>]

00:34:37   imprint on that board so you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:39   nails driven only home and you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:40   just whale away on that for ten years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:42   need that hammer will last year eight so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:44   apple sold people framing hammers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:48   they're they're having and picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:50   frames so you've got you know and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2090">TS</a>]

00:34:55   ten-year-old or five year old or heck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:57   even a teenager or adult who uses it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2097">TS</a>]

00:35:01   browse the web and and for a variety of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2101">TS</a>]

00:35:03   different apps that don't really push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:05   the capabilities of the ipad in any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:06   significant way and they're like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2106">TS</a>]

00:35:09   fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:09   why can't i just keep using this because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:12   that framing hammer is nowhere near its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:13   limits right and i think that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:16   that's one school of thought that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:18   you doing the ipad significantly over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2118">TS</a>]

00:35:20   built for the tasks that most people use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:23   it for and then the other school i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:25   the other side of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2125">TS</a>]

00:35:27   is Apple has not done as good a job as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:30   it could explain to people how much they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:34   can do with that framing hammer like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2134">TS</a>]

00:35:35   they haven't sold as a framing hammer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2135">TS</a>]

00:35:37   and so I think that there's definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:38   some interesting debate to be had there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2138">TS</a>]

00:35:41   i don't even know where I fall you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:43   on that scale yet i am of two minds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2143">TS</a>]

00:35:45   about it but I think those are the kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:47   of arguments that people are having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2147">TS</a>]

00:35:48   about where the ipad is currently and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2148">TS</a>]

00:35:50   then on top of that you have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:52   hey we don't know how long it's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:55   before people need to or want to replace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2155">TS</a>]

00:35:58   an ipad that they don't break right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2158">TS</a>]

00:36:00   know ever since the ipad 2 or three or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2160">TS</a>]

00:36:02   whatever you know better i guess you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:04   say it's been pretty capable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:07   yeah so why replace it yeah i think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:10   starts with the ipad air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:13   I feel like up until then it was still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:16   improving rapidly I mean the first one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:18   is the first one that mean you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:20   was you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2180">TS</a>]

00:36:22   Wow to tablet that people might actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2182">TS</a>]

00:36:24   buy but it was super thick it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:25   have right now and then it got thinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2185">TS</a>]

00:36:27   and then it got retina but the ipad 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:30   that had retina actually got thicker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:32   than the ipad 2 that was before it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2192">TS</a>]

00:36:34   it was replaced by apple six months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:36   after it came out which is sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:38   ridiculous in hindsight just shows shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2198">TS</a>]

00:36:41   how far they were pushing themselves to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:43   get that retina ipad 3 out and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:47   really feel like it found itself with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2207">TS</a>]

00:36:49   the ipad air where they strike the size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2209">TS</a>]

00:36:51   on the sides and it that the a-series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2211">TS</a>]

00:36:55   chips had gotten I'm sorry about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:58   that that launched Syria again on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:00   phone saying a serious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2220">TS</a>]

00:37:04   I'm sorry I apologise anybody out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:06   was a theory dingus was activated by it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:12   but at it and I just feel like my my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:15   working hypothesis on the weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:18   trajectory of ipad sales weird meaning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:20   it you know at one point was like 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:23   million a quarter and it was sky it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2243">TS</a>]

00:37:25   faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2245">TS</a>]

00:37:26   it was never above the iphone but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2246">TS</a>]

00:37:28   above the iphone at that date since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:32   launch like the first ipad outsold the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:35   first iphone the second ipad ipad 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:37   outsold the iphone 3g [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:40   and you know and then it came down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2260">TS</a>]

00:37:43   earth and my working theory on this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:45   simply like pretty much what you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:47   that it's there was this great unfilled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2267">TS</a>]

00:37:50   need Steve Jobs right that there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:52   this middle territory for something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2272">TS</a>]

00:37:55   an iPad in people's lives and there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2275">TS</a>]

00:37:57   nothing like it right the phones were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2277">TS</a>]

00:37:59   too small and laptops are you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2279">TS</a>]

00:38:04   are great for certain things but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2284">TS</a>]

00:38:06   there's their impersonal enough and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2286">TS</a>]

00:38:09   form factor is such that it you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2289">TS</a>]

00:38:12   creates this void that the ipad actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2292">TS</a>]

00:38:15   does Phil but then once people got one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:18   especially of the air vintage or later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2298">TS</a>]

00:38:20   there that's it they don't need another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2300">TS</a>]

00:38:21   one until they you know break the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:23   one who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:25   yeah i mean if you look at it from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2305">TS</a>]

00:38:27   terms of like a ADD Steve introduces the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:29   ipad and says we think people are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:31   to love this people need this and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:33   was if you if you subscribe to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:37   histories of it the ipad was a goal and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:40   the iphone was and everything that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2320">TS</a>]

00:38:42   hit on but if you go to go back to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2322">TS</a>]

00:38:46   and you say you have him walk onstage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2326">TS</a>]

00:38:49   and say we think that this is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:52   be you know in 10 years or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2332">TS</a>]

00:38:55   would what is an out doesn't end so 77 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:59   years in seven years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:00   this is going to be at that total of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2340">TS</a>]

00:39:03   three hundred million dollar business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2343">TS</a>]

00:39:04   for apple which is about what i pads are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:06   maybe a little more now right people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2346">TS</a>]

00:39:09   would have been like overjoyed great 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:11   million dollars uh you know that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2351">TS</a>]

00:39:13   there's really a million units excuse my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:15   heart three times significantly more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2355">TS</a>]

00:39:17   dollars but you know II you you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:19   the amount total years old and these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2359">TS</a>]

00:39:22   these billions of dollars of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:24   business that the ipad created you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:27   go hey that's an entire company more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:29   than an entire company's worth of value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:30   that you're going to create for apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:32   and shareholders and whatever else that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2372">TS</a>]

00:39:34   is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2374">TS</a>]

00:39:35   that's more than great and it's only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2375">TS</a>]

00:39:38   because the iphone has been so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2378">TS</a>]

00:39:41   outsized popular and now we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2381">TS</a>]

00:39:44   continues to grow that the ipad looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:47   poultry in comparison like it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:50   you had those go go early years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:52   yeah there's at work with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2392">TS</a>]

00:39:54   a real ramp up right now fastest-selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:56   computer for fastest selling consumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2396">TS</a>]

00:39:58   electronics device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:00   I think maybe they connect beat it for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2400">TS</a>]

00:40:01   time and then it will pass that around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:03   don't quote me but you know one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2403">TS</a>]

00:40:05   fastest anyway selling consumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2405">TS</a>]

00:40:06   electronics devices of all time and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:09   just yeah the you can look at those boom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2409">TS</a>]

00:40:11   years and you go home and you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:14   now it's going down or whatever but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:17   know I ipad still be still sold 13 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:19   million of those you know in the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:21   quarter which is crazy and if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:23   still an enormous business and it it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:26   Apple's answer to the sub heusen dollar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2426">TS</a>]

00:40:30   computer market right like let's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:33   admit that the phone is a phone and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2433">TS</a>]

00:40:35   Apple you know its smartphone is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:38   most important device in the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2438">TS</a>]

00:40:40   industry has ever come up with any even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2440">TS</a>]

00:40:41   Apple I think even as much as Apple new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:43   with the 10 year ago introduction of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2443">TS</a>]

00:40:45   iphone that they had something special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:47   on their hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:48   I don't think they even Apple itself was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2448">TS</a>]

00:40:50   surprised at just how how useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2450">TS</a>]

00:40:52   smartphone could be and how much we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2452">TS</a>]

00:40:54   would depend on it as are all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2454">TS</a>]

00:40:56   primary device if you just think of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2456">TS</a>]

00:40:59   ipad if they called it the mac pad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2459">TS</a>]

00:41:02   instead of ipad and you just counted it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:04   with mac sales as pc i don't i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2464">TS</a>]

00:41:07   think that's a ridiculous comparison to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2467">TS</a>]

00:41:09   make you know that there are people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2469">TS</a>]

00:41:11   are going to you know to gonna go drop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2471">TS</a>]

00:41:13   five hundred dollars on a portable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:14   computer we're not going to buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2474">TS</a>]

00:41:16   macbook because there is no system is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2476">TS</a>]

00:41:18   five-hundred-dollar macbook but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2478">TS</a>]

00:41:19   might get an ipad pro or you know it an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:22   ipad air or whatever it if you add up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:27   you know those 13 million ipad sales to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:31   the max five million sales that's 18 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2491">TS</a>]

00:41:33   million personal computers that apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:35   sold you know enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2495">TS</a>]

00:41:37   whatever price range from ipad 2 to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2497">TS</a>]

00:41:40   know most expensive Mac it's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2500">TS</a>]

00:41:43   impressive but i do think that it's sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2503">TS</a>]

00:41:46   of goodness i think it's already settled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:48   into sort of a mac like static number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2508">TS</a>]

00:41:51   how many million they can sell a quarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2511">TS</a>]

00:41:53   you know so did the analogy the cars and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:58   trucks analogy where the cars a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2518">TS</a>]

00:42:02   lightweight computer and a truck is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:05   desktop or wherever many people off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2525">TS</a>]

00:42:08   then view the ipad is the car and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2528">TS</a>]

00:42:11   know that's then set the iphone aside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2531">TS</a>]

00:42:13   but i think it's interesting to read you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:16   get a little bit and view the iphone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2536">TS</a>]

00:42:18   the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:18   um you know the iphones your daily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:21   driver right that you name me a day you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:24   don't touch your iphone possible right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2544">TS</a>]

00:42:26   you lost it you broke it you don't touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:29   it other than that you touch it every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:30   day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:31   that's your car the desktop stays the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2551">TS</a>]

00:42:33   truck right so the question then is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2553">TS</a>]

00:42:36   is the ipad your your utility vehicle or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:44   is it your sports car in other words do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2564">TS</a>]

00:42:47   you like take it out on the weekends to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2567">TS</a>]

00:42:49   get work done or do you take it out on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:50   the weekends for fun and I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2570">TS</a>]

00:42:52   there's there's whatever the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2572">TS</a>]

00:42:54   whatever side of that he come down on I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2574">TS</a>]

00:42:56   think there's definitely a case to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2576">TS</a>]

00:42:57   made for the ipad as like a a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2577">TS</a>]

00:42:59   purpose-driven device that mean you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2579">TS</a>]

00:43:02   their whole companies built up around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:04   revel systems and other things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:06   built up around using the iPads to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:08   serve functions in the aid large portion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:13   of its business is driven by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2593">TS</a>]

00:43:15   institutional sales right like schools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2595">TS</a>]

00:43:17   and other things that use the iPads in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:20   in very specific ways and I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2600">TS</a>]

00:43:23   there's did the netbook arena whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:27   when you remember the netbook error in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2607">TS</a>]

00:43:28   schools when everybody's like all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:30   this by netbooks for the kids and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2610">TS</a>]

00:43:32   things are just so bad whatever so bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2612">TS</a>]

00:43:35   garbage yeah garbage garbage it was at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2615">TS</a>]

00:43:39   the office it was very funny to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2619">TS</a>]

00:43:41   because I mean my son is now in seventh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2621">TS</a>]

00:43:44   grade but as a thirteen-year-old he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:46   sort of like an interesting age [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:50   technology wise because you know when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:53   first started going to school it was and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2633">TS</a>]

00:43:57   I wasn't quite 10 years ago but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2637">TS</a>]

00:43:59   2008-9 whatever school had a lot of I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2639">TS</a>]

00:44:04   don't know if they were called netbooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2644">TS</a>]

00:44:05   but you know effectively they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2645">TS</a>]

00:44:07   that's what a lot of the devices they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2647">TS</a>]

00:44:08   had and all the key all kids knew they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2648">TS</a>]

00:44:10   were junk like that because it and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2650">TS</a>]

00:44:13   so funny to me because I remember when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2653">TS</a>]

00:44:14   was a kid getting access to any computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2654">TS</a>]

00:44:16   in school was it was it would if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2656">TS</a>]

00:44:19   like all of a sudden Pope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2659">TS</a>]

00:44:21   to just pumped full of dopamine and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:24   on you know you're right and yes there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2664">TS</a>]

00:44:26   were ones that were better than others [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2666">TS</a>]

00:44:27   and newer than others and there are even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2667">TS</a>]

00:44:30   that some of them some of the classes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:32   mean it's okay ad-hoc at the school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2672">TS</a>]

00:44:34   elementary school I went to there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2674">TS</a>]

00:44:35   you know some teachers had like a TI 99 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:37   for a or whatever it was called which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2677">TS</a>]

00:44:39   a total piece of junk I mean it ran on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2679">TS</a>]

00:44:41   the little cassette tape drive but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2681">TS</a>]

00:44:44   loved it it was just so funny to me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2684">TS</a>]

00:44:46   see like first graders who thought that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2686">TS</a>]

00:44:47   you know didn't even want to use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2687">TS</a>]

00:44:49   netbooks because they were such piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2689">TS</a>]

00:44:50   jump who write and they can it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2690">TS</a>]

00:44:55   they can tell anybody could tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2695">TS</a>]

00:44:56   everybody could tell and I if you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2696">TS</a>]

00:44:59   at the ipad that way when you look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:01   like hey you know no matter what your I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2701">TS</a>]

00:45:05   mean you know there are some people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2705">TS</a>]

00:45:07   can't afford any computer at all and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2707">TS</a>]

00:45:09   that's that's you know to be that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:11   different problem a different discussion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2711">TS</a>]

00:45:14   to be had right but if you can afford a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:17   computer the almost nearly the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2717">TS</a>]

00:45:19   computer you could afford either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2719">TS</a>]

00:45:21   subsidized iphone or an unsubsidized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2721">TS</a>]

00:45:23   ipad right and i think that if you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:27   could look at like chromebox and a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2727">TS</a>]

00:45:28   of other things as sort of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2728">TS</a>]

00:45:30   companies efforts to do that to lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:33   the barrier to get somebody to using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2733">TS</a>]

00:45:35   their computer / using the web in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:38   Google's case using their services and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2738">TS</a>]

00:45:41   using their connected you know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:43   connected services that that carry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2743">TS</a>]

00:45:44   advertising and whatever the case may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:46   in Apple's kc it's the same thing it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2746">TS</a>]

00:45:49   like we want people to be into the apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2749">TS</a>]

00:45:51   ecosystem so we can teach them about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2751">TS</a>]

00:45:53   good Apple could be for them and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2753">TS</a>]

00:45:55   what you know what an apple computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:57   feels like versus another computer and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2757">TS</a>]

00:46:00   think the kinds a good ambassador that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2760">TS</a>]

00:46:01   way and so if it always exist if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:04   levels out at some point is we're not we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2764">TS</a>]

00:46:07   haven't seen any leveling out i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2767">TS</a>]

00:46:08   that's the big question marks that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2768">TS</a>]

00:46:10   everybody is saying right now as once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2770">TS</a>]

00:46:12   the this the true replacement cycle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:14   start to kick in and or you know Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2774">TS</a>]

00:46:17   finds a way to revitalize it in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2777">TS</a>]

00:46:19   significant way where you know we can a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:21   new spike that resets the bar and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2781">TS</a>]

00:46:24   it's you know slopes downwards from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2784">TS</a>]

00:46:25   there as everybody adopted the new thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2785">TS</a>]

00:46:27   whatever the case may be I think there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2787">TS</a>]

00:46:30   will be a point where it eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2790">TS</a>]

00:46:31   levels out and we see what kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:34   business the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:35   business actually is and will be long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2795">TS</a>]

00:46:37   term I think that business will always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2797">TS</a>]

00:46:39   be characterized by its ability to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:43   know give people expanded computing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2803">TS</a>]

00:46:46   capabilities at far less price than a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2806">TS</a>]

00:46:48   macbook now and that's that's what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:51   will always be for apple and an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:53   could preach about you know what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2813">TS</a>]

00:46:54   could be for artists and what it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:56   be for creatives and all this other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2816">TS</a>]

00:46:57   stuff that's great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2817">TS</a>]

00:46:59   and hopefully the continued to serve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2819">TS</a>]

00:47:00   those people by pushing the capabilities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2820">TS</a>]

00:47:02   of the device but the vast majority of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2822">TS</a>]

00:47:04   sales in the category or not that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2824">TS</a>]

00:47:06   you know there's not 13 million draw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2826">TS</a>]

00:47:10   artists buying it for pencils you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:12   it's just not that's not the way it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:13   works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2833">TS</a>]

00:47:14   the the number i pointed out one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2834">TS</a>]

00:47:16   numbers i pointed out it was that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:18   looking at revenue last year ipad was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2838">TS</a>]

00:47:22   above mac and services by like little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2842">TS</a>]

00:47:25   bit for mac and about a billion dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:28   in revenue for the same quarter last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:29   year and as of this year and announce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:32   the numbers announced today the mac did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2852">TS</a>]

00:47:36   7.2 billion in revenue and ipad was down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2856">TS</a>]

00:47:40   to 5.5 and services were up from six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2860">TS</a>]

00:47:44   billion to 7.2 billion and again i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2864">TS</a>]

00:47:48   a doom and gloom on ipad but I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2868">TS</a>]

00:47:50   just goes to show how the mix of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2870">TS</a>]

00:47:54   price points that are selling at ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2874">TS</a>]

00:47:56   are Arlo i think that that you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2876">TS</a>]

00:47:59   I think ipad pro is a successful product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:01   but i think it's going to be most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2881">TS</a>]

00:48:03   successful in years to come as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:05   trickles down you know the original iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2885">TS</a>]

00:48:07   pro trickle down to the lower price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:09   points and I think it's clear since the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2889">TS</a>]

00:48:12   max like unit sales are just about dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:15   even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:15   but the revenue was up quite a bit that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:19   the macbook pros the new ones sold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:21   pretty well for the first quarter and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2901">TS</a>]

00:48:23   don't even think that that would they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:24   weren't even out for the whole quarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2904">TS</a>]

00:48:25   right yeah they were in when you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2905">TS</a>]

00:48:30   that trickle-down effect I mean look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2910">TS</a>]

00:48:31   the ipad pro especially the larger one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2911">TS</a>]

00:48:34   and how much capability i mean it easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:38   at on par utility wise at least in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:43   specific utilities with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2923">TS</a>]

00:48:46   week you know computers from wacom that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2926">TS</a>]

00:48:50   were several thousand dollars more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2930">TS</a>]

00:48:53   and frankly worse you know that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:57   missile tracking was not nearly what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2937">TS</a>]

00:48:59   is on the ipad and the screen does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2939">TS</a>]

00:49:01   have the color rendition and accuracy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2941">TS</a>]

00:49:04   the ipad pro and you look at all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:06   and you look as that trickles down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:07   you're going to see those pro devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:11   being in giving people access artists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2951">TS</a>]

00:49:15   and other Creators access to those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:17   capabilities in ways that just were not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2957">TS</a>]

00:49:20   even heard of and I think apple doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:22   get credit for that stuff because people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:24   want to see you know in the business in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2964">TS</a>]

00:49:27   tech writing world people want to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2967">TS</a>]

00:49:29   those results in the new numbers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:31   it's like Oh every everybody must buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2971">TS</a>]

00:49:33   that ipad pro and really drive up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2973">TS</a>]

00:49:36   sales and price and stuff every quarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2976">TS</a>]

00:49:38   whereas if you look at it in the Ark of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2978">TS</a>]

00:49:40   the game where it's like hey worshipping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2980">TS</a>]

00:49:43   miss now in in a year it's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:46   really affordable and we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2986">TS</a>]

00:49:48   sell a lot more of them or a lot more of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:50   devices that have their capability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2990">TS</a>]

00:49:52   whatever they're going to call them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2992">TS</a>]

00:49:53   yeah and that that arc i think is a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:56   interesting one and it's hard to message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2996">TS</a>]

00:49:58   right because people don't want to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/2998">TS</a>]

00:50:00   were we're putting this thing out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3000">TS</a>]

00:50:03   not a lot of people are gonna buy but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3003">TS</a>]

00:50:05   more people will buy later when it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3005">TS</a>]

00:50:07   affordable they want to hear or putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3007">TS</a>]

00:50:08   this thing out the people must buy now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3008">TS</a>]

00:50:10   yeah yeah you know right it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3010">TS</a>]

00:50:14   anything short of an ipad that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3014">TS</a>]

00:50:15   everybody just throw their old ipad in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3015">TS</a>]

00:50:17   that garbage and go get in line to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:20   the new one is somehow failure but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3020">TS</a>]

00:50:22   doesn't really work right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3022">TS</a>]

00:50:23   the only other thing I have from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3023">TS</a>]

00:50:26   results and from the the notes of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3026">TS</a>]

00:50:28   conference call that I read was that tim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:31   cook pointed out that Apple pay users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3031">TS</a>]

00:50:33   are up 33 x year-over-year so that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:37   really gives that's that's a very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3037">TS</a>]

00:50:40   year for Apple pay especially since it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:42   what two years old now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:43   two-and-a-half years old who uh and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3043">TS</a>]

00:50:46   again that's the other thing I had in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3046">TS</a>]

00:50:48   notes that is sort of like hey let's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3048">TS</a>]

00:50:50   remember that that getting people to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:52   something with it 22 like twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3052">TS</a>]

00:50:56   thirteen years hey you're going to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3056">TS</a>]

00:50:58   for stuff but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3058">TS</a>]

00:50:59   putting your fingerprint on a phone at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:01   the register on your cell phone right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:04   sounds weird right it's like different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:06   and it's like I don't know i mean at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3066">TS</a>]

00:51:08   I i know enough about how it works i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:11   understand it that it's I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3071">TS</a>]

00:51:12   understand that it's actually more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:14   secure than using a credit card a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3074">TS</a>]

00:51:16   more secure it you know if you're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3076">TS</a>]

00:51:19   a magnetic swipe but you know people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3079">TS</a>]

00:51:23   always have the the heebie-jeebies about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:25   putting your credit card into the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3085">TS</a>]

00:51:26   or something like that i mean there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:28   lot of an awful lot of people who spent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3088">TS</a>]

00:51:30   years not buying anything at all on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:32   web because they didn't feel like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:34   can trust it because it was new and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:35   different and that's just the way humans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3095">TS</a>]

00:51:37   are hooked up for the most part that new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3097">TS</a>]

00:51:40   and different is scary and therefore you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3100">TS</a>]

00:51:42   wait so 3x growth in apple-pie guess I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:46   didn't see the details on where exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3106">TS</a>]

00:51:48   that is like how much of that is in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:49   US how much of it is worldwide expansion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:51   but i feel it's one of those stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:55   that in terms of hey Apple hasn't done a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3115">TS</a>]

00:51:57   goddamn thing under tim cook that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3117">TS</a>]

00:51:59   that crowd it conveniently overlooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:02   that it's a really solid Tim Cook Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:06   era success story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3126">TS</a>]

00:52:08   yeah BTW user behavior and something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3128">TS</a>]

00:52:12   that has to do with their wallet you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:13   know their bank account for whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3133">TS</a>]

00:52:14   thats did say me hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3134">TS</a>]

00:52:17   it's insanely hard and so it is it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:19   encouraging to see things like that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3139">TS</a>]

00:52:21   theoretically you know could be big bets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3141">TS</a>]

00:52:24   I mean you know when people had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3144">TS</a>]

00:52:26   inkling that they were going to get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:28   payments you know people saw that as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:30   as a very big business for them and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3150">TS</a>]

00:52:32   think it's still you know it already is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3152">TS</a>]

00:52:34   so somewhat of a business another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:36   Services category and could be a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:37   larger business in the future especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3157">TS</a>]

00:52:40   if you know apples able to sell apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3160">TS</a>]

00:52:43   pay through and keep up this kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:45   growth but I mean it's the hurdles you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3165">TS</a>]

00:52:49   have to overcome when you're switching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3169">TS</a>]

00:52:51   over to something like Apple pay are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3171">TS</a>]

00:52:53   crazy you know i mean you got you come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3173">TS</a>]

00:52:55   to the counter and you're gonna pay with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:57   your phone and you're not quite sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3177">TS</a>]

00:52:59   where to put it and you're not you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:01   how far away and what part of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3181">TS</a>]

00:53:04   credit card so i put it where the credit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3184">TS</a>]

00:53:06   card goes to put it over the keypad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:08   put it over some weird symbol that i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:09   not familiar with to put on this clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:11   plastic part in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3191">TS</a>]

00:53:12   and people are embarrassed didn't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:15   to do that if the smaller people behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3195">TS</a>]

00:53:17   them yeah it's still so early ways it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3197">TS</a>]

00:53:19   it's still so early days that usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3199">TS</a>]

00:53:22   like when I go to like a place that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:23   like I noticed that they've upgraded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3203">TS</a>]

00:53:25   their point-of-sales systems and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:28   either see the Apple pay logo or I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3208">TS</a>]

00:53:29   that little wifie looking logo that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:31   means it usually works apple pie usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3211">TS</a>]

00:53:34   works even if they're not officially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3214">TS</a>]

00:53:35   Apple pay yet you know that it just has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:38   contactless you know a NFC payments the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:42   Clark usually has no idea and I'll say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3222">TS</a>]

00:53:44   like there will be like how you going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3224">TS</a>]

00:53:45   pay out so I'm gonna try Apple pay and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:46   they'll say what's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3226">TS</a>]

00:53:48   I mean I've had that happen and it i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3228">TS</a>]

00:53:50   not afraid to do it because i know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3230">TS</a>]

00:53:52   know i am NOT embarrassed even if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:55   doesn't work and be you know I am NOT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3235">TS</a>]

00:53:58   embarrassed that I might know more about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3238">TS</a>]

00:54:00   how this works than that Clark but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3240">TS</a>]

00:54:01   somebody has to go first and people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3241">TS</a>]

00:54:03   resistant to stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3243">TS</a>]

00:54:05   here's a funny thing this is true ok i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:07   forget if I've mentioned something to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3247">TS</a>]

00:54:08   show before now but one of the places I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:10   go that just added a new point of sale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:13   system that that supports Apple pay our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3253">TS</a>]

00:54:15   the the state-run liquor stores here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3255">TS</a>]

00:54:19   in Pennsylvania and there's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:23   consistently it doesn't work on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:29   first try every single time I put my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:31   phone there have my thumb on the sensor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:33   and it says card not valid or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:37   something's not valid used card instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3277">TS</a>]

00:54:40   but if I just sit there and pull lift my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:42   thumb and press it again it goes ding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3282">TS</a>]

00:54:44   and then I get the payment but how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3284">TS</a>]

00:54:46   people would even think to try that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:48   did and every time every single time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:50   you right i just looked at the error [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:55   message and I thought well that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:56   error message makes no sense so I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3296">TS</a>]

00:54:58   going to try again and I'd you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3298">TS</a>]

00:54:59   didn't ask the clerk for help or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3299">TS</a>]

00:55:01   anything I just SAT I just move the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:03   phone away moved back and now every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3303">TS</a>]

00:55:04   I do it gets it's the same thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3304">TS</a>]

00:55:08   anything else on your penis penis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3308">TS</a>]

00:55:10   doesn't doesn't translate well you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3310">TS</a>]

00:55:12   and others on earnings before my nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3312">TS</a>]

00:55:15   ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3315">TS</a>]

00:55:16   all right I let me take a break then and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3316">TS</a>]

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00:56:09   their stuff works on just about any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3369">TS</a>]

00:56:11   device that you have that can play audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3371">TS</a>]

00:56:13   you can play audible stuff so even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3373">TS</a>]

00:56:15   you have like an old ipod that used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3375">TS</a>]

00:56:18   use like to workout at the gym or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3378">TS</a>]

00:56:19   something like that it doesn't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:22   be like a smartphone you don't need like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3382">TS</a>]

00:56:23   a special app you can just download the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:25   stuff to your by mac and think it over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3385">TS</a>]

00:56:27   to an old ipad or ipod or kindle or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:30   anything like that that can play audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:32   and it'll work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:33   audio content so great if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3393">TS</a>]

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00:56:39   right now you obviously listen to all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3399">TS</a>]

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00:56:43   to really long podcast you probably have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3403">TS</a>]

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00:56:55   thanks to audible for sponsoring the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3415">TS</a>]

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00:57:06   here's some news and it's interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3426">TS</a>]

00:57:09   it's follow-up from last week's show I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3429">TS</a>]

00:57:11   had been Thompson on and I mentioned an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:12   anecdote from a reader of the show and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3432">TS</a>]

00:57:15   was a little nervous bringing it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3435">TS</a>]

00:57:16   because i was like one reader who wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:19   me this email but he convinced me it he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3439">TS</a>]

00:57:23   it really seemed like he knew what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:25   was talking about like it wasn't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:26   like he wasn't just spitting in the wind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3446">TS</a>]

00:57:28   but he bought the new LG ultra fine 5k [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3448">TS</a>]

00:57:32   display the one that that Apple like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3452">TS</a>]

00:57:34   sort of code developed and it's the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:36   retina standalone display you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3456">TS</a>]

00:57:39   from apple right now is this is LG [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:40   models and he was having all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3460">TS</a>]

00:57:43   problems with it and for some reason it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:46   occurred to him to try moving it and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3466">TS</a>]

00:57:48   did and it turns out that moving it away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3468">TS</a>]

00:57:50   from his Wi-Fi router solve the problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3470">TS</a>]

00:57:52   and I dimension this on the show with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3472">TS</a>]

00:57:54   Ben Thompson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3474">TS</a>]

00:57:55   well it seems like this is an actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3475">TS</a>]

00:57:58   thing Zack hall wrote a story at 9to5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3478">TS</a>]

00:58:02   mac person firsthand story where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:04   exact same thing happened with him where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:07   he and in the problem was so bad it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3487">TS</a>]

00:58:10   like actually crashing his macbook he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3490">TS</a>]

00:58:12   has his macbook hooked up to the 5k [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3492">TS</a>]

00:58:14   display and it was like freezing is his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3494">TS</a>]

00:58:18   macbook he googled a little bit saw some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3498">TS</a>]

00:58:21   met people other people speculating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3501">TS</a>]

00:58:23   about this hey it's near a Wi-Fi router [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:25   his was near his Wi-Fi router so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3505">TS</a>]

00:58:27   moved it to a different moved away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3507">TS</a>]

00:58:29   from his desk and in the problems all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3509">TS</a>]

00:58:32   went away and any contacted LG and LG [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3512">TS</a>]

00:58:35   said yet just don't use an air Wi-Fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3515">TS</a>]

00:58:37   router this is crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3517">TS</a>]

00:58:42   I mean why would a computer ever be near [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3522">TS</a>]

00:58:44   Wi-Fi around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3524">TS</a>]

00:58:45   hey it's okay i can't help but think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3525">TS</a>]

00:58:49   especially in a home office it's got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3529">TS</a>]

00:58:51   be a frequent a common scenario you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3531">TS</a>]

00:58:54   and anybody you know they're probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3534">TS</a>]

00:58:56   anybody who's like lives in like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3536">TS</a>]

00:58:59   studio apartment or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3539">TS</a>]

00:59:01   I mean you may not even be able to move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3541">TS</a>]

00:59:02   it that far away you know it's kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3542">TS</a>]

00:59:05   crazy and it is insane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:09   yeah i mean the just gonna be fine i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3549">TS</a>]

00:59:12   guess we know how exactly how closely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3552">TS</a>]

00:59:14   co-developed it was now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3554">TS</a>]

00:59:18   the the gist of this display i do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3558">TS</a>]

00:59:21   have 1i have a imac here so I'm not a 5k [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3561">TS</a>]

00:59:24   imax I'm not in the market for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3564">TS</a>]

00:59:26   standalone display but I saw I've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3566">TS</a>]

00:59:27   the mini apple stores i saw them at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3567">TS</a>]

00:59:29   apple event that you and I are at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3569">TS</a>]

00:59:31   couple months ago and my impression my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3571">TS</a>]

00:59:35   first-hand impression of just looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3575">TS</a>]

00:59:37   it you know from a kick the tires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3577">TS</a>]

00:59:38   perspective was too gorgeous display in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:42   a really chin see but at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3582">TS</a>]

00:59:44   plain-looking case it doesn't it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3584">TS</a>]

00:59:48   an ugly i don't think they're ugly but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:50   i'm not really not easy it's yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3590">TS</a>]

00:59:52   it's not sexy like an apple product is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3592">TS</a>]

00:59:55   so I could be like wow that is I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3595">TS</a>]

00:59:57   that that is gorgeous you move crazy but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3597">TS</a>]

00:59:59   the display call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3599">TS</a>]

00:59:59   the display call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3599">TS</a>]

01:00:00   all these excellent and that convenience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:03   of just being able to plug in USB see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3603">TS</a>]

01:00:05   thunderbolt and just have it work seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3605">TS</a>]

01:00:07   really great and but like you said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3607">TS</a>]

01:00:11   seems pretty clear that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3611">TS</a>]

01:00:12   collaboration with apple is not on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3612">TS</a>]

01:00:15   enclosure so the chimpanzee the chin 0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3615">TS</a>]

01:00:19   yeah and none of the shielding the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3619">TS</a>]

01:00:21   tenancy feeling and looking enclosure is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3621">TS</a>]

01:00:24   I've also gently shielded and and no i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3624">TS</a>]

01:00:28   not an expert on shielding but it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3628">TS</a>]

01:00:30   to me like this is this just emblematic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3630">TS</a>]

01:00:33   of why there's a practical reason beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3633">TS</a>]

01:00:37   just wanting to spend more money that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3637">TS</a>]

01:00:39   that a lot of us wish Apple were making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3639">TS</a>]

01:00:42   its own apple-branded 5k displays and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3642">TS</a>]

01:00:45   yeah i mean the answers that I got with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3645">TS</a>]

01:00:50   this stuff when I poked around you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3650">TS</a>]

01:00:52   like why the heck not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3652">TS</a>]

01:00:53   you know you know is it's it's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3653">TS</a>]

01:00:57   much as hard as designing an entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3657">TS</a>]

01:00:58   system so why do it and it's late you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3658">TS</a>]

01:01:02   know we're not white doing is it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3662">TS</a>]

01:01:04   not that attitude that I got like who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3664">TS</a>]

01:01:05   cares it was more we have so many hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3665">TS</a>]

01:01:09   in the day and this is like designing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3669">TS</a>]

01:01:11   new imac so maybe we shouldn't do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3671">TS</a>]

01:01:13   this time you know and maybe we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3673">TS</a>]

01:01:15   put our efforts elsewhere and whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3675">TS</a>]

01:01:18   you could disagree or agree i'm not i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3678">TS</a>]

01:01:19   not a scrap i'm not saying yay or nay to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3679">TS</a>]

01:01:21   their POV but that's the that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3681">TS</a>]

01:01:24   input that i got and that's not through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3684">TS</a>]

01:01:26   official channels or anything so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3686">TS</a>]

01:01:27   not like a PR message is just a matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3687">TS</a>]

01:01:30   of like it's really hard to build that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3690">TS</a>]

01:01:32   especially because of the the throughput [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3692">TS</a>]

01:01:35   you know that you have to have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3695">TS</a>]

01:01:37   connect to external displays and if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3697">TS</a>]

01:01:39   wanted to do with the way that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3699">TS</a>]

01:01:40   wanted to do it normally which probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3700">TS</a>]

01:01:42   would have worked close to a Wi-Fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3702">TS</a>]

01:01:44   router it would have taken them a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3704">TS</a>]

01:01:46   time and money and manpower to achieve I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3706">TS</a>]

01:01:49   guess the money money is not really the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3709">TS</a>]

01:01:50   problem it's more the time and manpower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3710">TS</a>]

01:01:52   yeah you know taking something off of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3712">TS</a>]

01:01:55   mac's or another department to work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3715">TS</a>]

01:01:58   on that or hiring people in training [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3718">TS</a>]

01:02:01   them up through apple university and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:03   blah blah blah to get you know to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3723">TS</a>]

01:02:05   point where they are able to work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3725">TS</a>]

01:02:07   those hardware products just they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3727">TS</a>]

01:02:10   felt he couldn't devote the time to it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3730">TS</a>]

01:02:12   guess I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3732">TS</a>]

01:02:13   it's you know it's hard 1i you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:16   whether you want to fault them or not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3736">TS</a>]

01:02:20   I don't know and obviously some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3740">TS</a>]

01:02:22   do but for this for which is that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3742">TS</a>]

01:02:26   have so much money how can this how can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3746">TS</a>]

01:02:28   they possibly be stretched thin on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3748">TS</a>]

01:02:30   resources and now whether that's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3750">TS</a>]

01:02:32   actual emblematic of a problem in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3752">TS</a>]

01:02:35   mindset that they're still at an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:37   executive-level think too much like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3757">TS</a>]

01:02:39   small company smaller company they used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3759">TS</a>]

01:02:41   to be free iPhone or whether it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3761">TS</a>]

01:02:43   actually bad management [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3763">TS</a>]

01:02:45   I don't know but it's obvious though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3765">TS</a>]

01:02:47   that they are whether they whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3767">TS</a>]

01:02:50   that's reasonable and that's a sign that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3770">TS</a>]

01:02:52   they you know that for Apple to be Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3772">TS</a>]

01:02:54   that you know like maybe the pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:56   argument would be for Apple to be Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3776">TS</a>]

01:02:59   they have to continue to be like a small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3779">TS</a>]

01:03:02   company that focuses on a few things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3782">TS</a>]

01:03:03   because that's just how that's how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3783">TS</a>]

01:03:06   works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3786">TS</a>]

01:03:06   the con argument would be you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3786">TS</a>]

01:03:09   just ridiculous that they can't afford [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3789">TS</a>]

01:03:11   to put an engineering team together to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3791">TS</a>]

01:03:13   do a display but it's it the proof you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3793">TS</a>]

01:03:17   know that whether it should be this way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3797">TS</a>]

01:03:18   or not they are there stretch then and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3798">TS</a>]

01:03:21   think that the decision not to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3801">TS</a>]

01:03:23   it is exactly along those lines that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3803">TS</a>]

01:03:26   would we do if it's going to take us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3806">TS</a>]

01:03:27   that much effort to do this we we put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:29   that effort somewhere else right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3809">TS</a>]

01:03:33   yes and you you could hammer all day on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3813">TS</a>]

01:03:35   the argument that well they should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3815">TS</a>]

01:03:37   able to afford the man hours or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3817">TS</a>]

01:03:40   the case but yeah that's the way came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3820">TS</a>]

01:03:42   down and that's why these decisions were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3822">TS</a>]

01:03:44   made the way they are as far as i know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3824">TS</a>]

01:03:45   don't know maybe I'm wrong but hey I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3825">TS</a>]

01:03:48   think you you reach a point where saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3828">TS</a>]

01:03:52   no becomes less about all we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3832">TS</a>]

01:03:55   going to pursue this new fun thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3835">TS</a>]

01:03:58   sometimes if it comes down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3838">TS</a>]

01:04:01   we're not going to splinter ourselves in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3841">TS</a>]

01:04:06   ways that make a lot of logical sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3846">TS</a>]

01:04:09   like it's much harder to say no to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3849">TS</a>]

01:04:12   things that makes make a ton of sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3852">TS</a>]

01:04:14   than it is to say no to the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3854">TS</a>]

01:04:16   have very obvious faults and flaws and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3856">TS</a>]

01:04:19   and whatever you know i'm in so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3859">TS</a>]

01:04:21   unload unknowns in a project can lead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3861">TS</a>]

01:04:23   you to say no so many things that say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3863">TS</a>]

01:04:26   hey you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3866">TS</a>]

01:04:26   where were down this pathway we've spent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3866">TS</a>]

01:04:29   a lot of money and whatever those could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3869">TS</a>]

01:04:32   be hard to say no to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3872">TS</a>]

01:04:33   but the ones that make total sense i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3873">TS</a>]

01:04:35   wouldn't have to make an external [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3875">TS</a>]

01:04:37   display those are the ones that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3877">TS</a>]

01:04:39   going to take the most heat over those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3879">TS</a>]

01:04:41   are the ones that you're gonna hopefully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3881">TS</a>]

01:04:42   have to really come to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3882">TS</a>]

01:04:46   come-to-jesus moment on and say we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3886">TS</a>]

01:04:49   not making them for these reasons that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3889">TS</a>]

01:04:51   make a lot of sense to us and that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3891">TS</a>]

01:04:54   can even message or or you know don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3894">TS</a>]

01:04:56   want to message externally for whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3896">TS</a>]

01:04:58   reason if it is simply that they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3898">TS</a>]

01:05:03   they don't have enough people to work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3903">TS</a>]

01:05:05   it man you know it's it's hard it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3905">TS</a>]

01:05:07   that's a hard thing to defend but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3907">TS</a>]

01:05:10   they don't have they don't happen right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3910">TS</a>]

01:05:12   what are you gonna do like you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3912">TS</a>]

01:05:14   just hire all the random team full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3914">TS</a>]

01:05:16   random people to work on a high-profile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3916">TS</a>]

01:05:19   hardware release because you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3919">TS</a>]

01:05:21   have the same problem as the LG think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3921">TS</a>]

01:05:23   it's gonna have some weird um issue i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3923">TS</a>]

01:05:25   mean this is hard apple works on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3925">TS</a>]

01:05:26   stuff there's always some weird um issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3926">TS</a>]

01:05:28   when they launched something right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3928">TS</a>]

01:05:29   because this stuff is difficult and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3929">TS</a>]

01:05:31   very complex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3931">TS</a>]

01:05:32   so if you're not going to own that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3932">TS</a>]

01:05:35   owned whatever problems you come you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3935">TS</a>]

01:05:37   can't say oh we put our BTW mom it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3937">TS</a>]

01:05:39   right or we put the noobs on it you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3939">TS</a>]

01:05:42   gotta say no I wouldn't be surprised if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3942">TS</a>]

01:05:44   apple doesn't do a standalone display or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3944">TS</a>]

01:05:49   two you know 4k and 5k I i don't know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3949">TS</a>]

01:05:54   don't have any kind of like little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3954">TS</a>]

01:05:56   birdie info that yes they're coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3956">TS</a>]

01:05:58   I have had little birdie info and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3958">TS</a>]

01:06:00   people have to that that there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3960">TS</a>]

01:06:02   apple-branded displays in the works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3962">TS</a>]

01:06:04   within Apple whether they're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3964">TS</a>]

01:06:06   moving forward I have not heard anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3966">TS</a>]

01:06:08   I don't know so I don't have that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3968">TS</a>]

01:06:10   even whisper secret on the show and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3970">TS</a>]

01:06:13   I've heard it but I know that there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3973">TS</a>]

01:06:15   and I i wouldn't be surprised if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3975">TS</a>]

01:06:20   story is I mean what everybody seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3980">TS</a>]

01:06:23   believe right now as Apple is out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3983">TS</a>]

01:06:25   standalone display game period and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3985">TS</a>]

01:06:27   never going to have another one possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3987">TS</a>]

01:06:28   i would not be surprised if the network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3988">TS</a>]

01:06:30   is another standalone display other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3990">TS</a>]

01:06:34   you know treating the imac buying an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3994">TS</a>]

01:06:36   imac just to use as a standalone display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3996">TS</a>]

01:06:38   with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3998">TS</a>]

01:06:39   target display mode which is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/3999">TS</a>]

01:06:41   ridiculous the idea that you'd buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4001">TS</a>]

01:06:42   computer wouldn't use but it does work i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4002">TS</a>]

01:06:48   was also make the question how expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4008">TS</a>]

01:06:50   is the display versus the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4010">TS</a>]

01:06:52   components of the device so if your 5k [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4012">TS</a>]

01:06:55   display had to be sixty percent as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4015">TS</a>]

01:06:59   expensive as a regular imac that's on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4019">TS</a>]

01:07:01   the bubble that seventy percent is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4021">TS</a>]

01:07:03   expensive right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4023">TS</a>]

01:07:04   who the hell's gonna buy it right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4024">TS</a>]

01:07:06   know so I if there's also that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4026">TS</a>]

01:07:08   component costs angle the kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4028">TS</a>]

01:07:11   about I wouldn't be surprised though if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4031">TS</a>]

01:07:13   the story is simply and and again on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4033">TS</a>]

01:07:16   this theme of Apple can only do so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4036">TS</a>]

01:07:18   at a time and there's only so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4038">TS</a>]

01:07:19   resources for testing and for even just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4039">TS</a>]

01:07:23   stuff like sales and training the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4043">TS</a>]

01:07:26   entire retail staff on and product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4046">TS</a>]

01:07:27   design and stuff like that I wouldn't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4047">TS</a>]

01:07:31   surprised if there are still in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4051">TS</a>]

01:07:32   works but it was so clear that it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4052">TS</a>]

01:07:35   gonna be done in time for october twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4055">TS</a>]

01:07:38   sixteen when they needed to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4058">TS</a>]

01:07:40   something to sell with the new macbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4060">TS</a>]

01:07:42   pros they needed some sort of retina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4062">TS</a>]

01:07:45   display that would work with us bc and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4065">TS</a>]

01:07:50   Thunderbolt three that they couldn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4070">TS</a>]

01:07:54   that done in time for LG could slap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4074">TS</a>]

01:07:57   something together and so that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4077">TS</a>]

01:08:00   they did and I in that may be but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4080">TS</a>]

01:08:02   won't i think maybe it won't come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4082">TS</a>]

01:08:04   till like a year you know like next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4084">TS</a>]

01:08:06   like next October in October 2017 a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4086">TS</a>]

01:08:09   later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4089">TS</a>]

01:08:10   here's the new Apple whatever they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4090">TS</a>]

01:08:11   going to call it you know 5k display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4091">TS</a>]

01:08:13   right and it doesn't it will be hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4093">TS</a>]

01:08:16   think that this will be their ambassador [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4096">TS</a>]

01:08:18   forever right that it's really hard i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4098">TS</a>]

01:08:20   know that you know like it it's a it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4100">TS</a>]

01:08:26   sounds funny but I know John Syracuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4106">TS</a>]

01:08:28   has made this point on ATP several times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4108">TS</a>]

01:08:30   that they're going to make this brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4110">TS</a>]

01:08:32   new campus it's going to be you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4112">TS</a>]

01:08:33   it's all Johnny I've approved hallways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4113">TS</a>]

01:08:36   and curved glass and lighting fixtures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4116">TS</a>]

01:08:40   and a desk sees this you know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4120">TS</a>]

01:08:42   designing their own tables and then all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4122">TS</a>]

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01:15:58   what articles published on the stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4558">TS</a>]

01:16:00   you know I just ignore most of it i'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4560">TS</a>]

01:16:03   made-up saying something about it at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4563">TS</a>]

01:16:05   some point but the long and short of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4565">TS</a>]

01:16:07   is that this is not a tech issue it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4567">TS</a>]

01:16:11   not a politics issue it's like a human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4571">TS</a>]

01:16:13   issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4573">TS</a>]

01:16:14   yeah like if you're human you should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4574">TS</a>]

01:16:16   interested in this stuff and to be fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4576">TS</a>]

01:16:18   to our readers like I'm I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4578">TS</a>]

01:16:21   instructing our writers and our writers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4581">TS</a>]

01:16:23   are not doing it they're not writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4583">TS</a>]

01:16:24   about stuff from a pure politics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4584">TS</a>]

01:16:26   standpoint we're not political like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4586">TS</a>]

01:16:28   we're not just going like a politics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4588">TS</a>]

01:16:29   happened look at politics you know we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4589">TS</a>]

01:16:31   definitely relating it to our industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4591">TS</a>]

01:16:33   but the tech a reading the stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4593">TS</a>]

01:16:36   he's that he's talking about with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4596">TS</a>]

01:16:38   immigration and you know possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4598">TS</a>]

01:16:40   reduction or are crapping in clamping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4600">TS</a>]

01:16:44   down on h-1b pieces which allow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4604">TS</a>]

01:16:46   highly-skilled tech workers to come over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4606">TS</a>]

01:16:48   here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4608">TS</a>]

01:16:48   those are incredibly germane to the tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4608">TS</a>]

01:16:50   industry from everybody from Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4610">TS</a>]

01:16:52   google to to facebook and everybody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4612">TS</a>]

01:16:55   uses an enormous amount of h-1b workers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4615">TS</a>]

01:16:57   because there are a lot of highly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4617">TS</a>]

01:17:00   skilled programmers that come from India [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4620">TS</a>]

01:17:02   and elsewhere in Asia and and you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4622">TS</a>]

01:17:06   wide variety of other countries that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4626">TS</a>]

01:17:07   don't that aren't here because our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4627">TS</a>]

01:17:09   education system has a lot of loss so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4629">TS</a>]

01:17:12   it's a incredibly remain issue and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4632">TS</a>]

01:17:14   they're you know they're up in arms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4634">TS</a>]

01:17:15   about it hard you know up in some kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4635">TS</a>]

01:17:18   of arms depending on how closely they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4638">TS</a>]

01:17:19   colluding with the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4639">TS</a>]

01:17:20   administration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4640">TS</a>]

01:17:21   yeah and you know and they're doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4641">TS</a>]

01:17:24   right thing where they you know they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4644">TS</a>]

01:17:26   all these big companies you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4646">TS</a>]

01:17:28   googles apples microsoft it's inevitable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4648">TS</a>]

01:17:31   with the headcount that they have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4651">TS</a>]

01:17:33   they have hundreds of employees who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4653">TS</a>]

01:17:34   affected by this you know that somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4654">TS</a>]

01:17:37   along the chain right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4657">TS</a>]

01:17:39   passport that they you know have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4659">TS</a>]

01:17:41   number born in or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4661">TS</a>]

01:17:43   wer were once or still are a citizen of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4663">TS</a>]

01:17:46   one of these seven countries and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4666">TS</a>]

01:17:49   know might literally be out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4669">TS</a>]

01:17:51   country right now you know in a way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4671">TS</a>]

01:17:53   this was implemented with i just signed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4673">TS</a>]

01:17:55   it in it even if you're in the air right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4675">TS</a>]

01:17:56   out your your band is you know it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4676">TS</a>]

01:18:00   great that the companies have their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4680">TS</a>]

01:18:01   employees backs and helping them but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4681">TS</a>]

01:18:02   generation i don't know i don't that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4682">TS</a>]

01:18:07   and I thought it was you know I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4687">TS</a>]

01:18:10   thought Tim Cook's statement could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4690">TS</a>]

01:18:12   been a little stronger like I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4692">TS</a>]

01:18:13   expecting him to lash out and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4693">TS</a>]

01:18:18   i'm obviously you know it's no secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4698">TS</a>]

01:18:19   that I am vibrantly by rule ently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4699">TS</a>]

01:18:23   against Trump and I see him as a danger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4703">TS</a>]

01:18:25   in a menace personally but even so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4705">TS</a>]

01:18:29   totally get that Tim Cook the CEO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4709">TS</a>]

01:18:31   anybody in a position like that can't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4711">TS</a>]

01:18:34   even though i would certainly suspect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4714">TS</a>]

01:18:35   privately that he is based on everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4715">TS</a>]

01:18:38   we know about him and who his personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4718">TS</a>]

01:18:40   heroes are i get it and and you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4720">TS</a>]

01:18:44   I see people on Twitter who are you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4724">TS</a>]

01:18:47   who want him to be you know like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4727">TS</a>]

01:18:50   completely outspoken critic i see how we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4730">TS</a>]

01:18:52   can't but I still think his statement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4732">TS</a>]

01:18:53   could have been a little bit stronger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4733">TS</a>]

01:18:54   and and in terms of its like the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4734">TS</a>]

01:18:56   adage that like when you're you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4736">TS</a>]

01:19:00   collaborating with people that you work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4740">TS</a>]

01:19:02   with or you're in school and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4742">TS</a>]

01:19:03   doing a crit you criticize the work not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4743">TS</a>]

01:19:05   the person so I I don't expect him to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4745">TS</a>]

01:19:07   come out strongly against Trump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4747">TS</a>]

01:19:09   personally but I've ice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4749">TS</a>]

01:19:10   I think he could have come out a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4750">TS</a>]

01:19:11   stronger against the the executive order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4751">TS</a>]

01:19:15   on immigration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4755">TS</a>]

01:19:16   yeah and you've got you've got a variety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4756">TS</a>]

01:19:21   of people it was interesting to one here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4761">TS</a>]

01:19:25   we was like a little inside not super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4765">TS</a>]

01:19:27   inside baseball but inside baseball in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4767">TS</a>]

01:19:29   way if you look at the statements that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4769">TS</a>]

01:19:31   were released there was a cab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4771">TS</a>]

01:19:33   especially early on there was only a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4773">TS</a>]

01:19:35   couple of people that went on the record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4775">TS</a>]

01:19:37   and just said stuff said hey this is me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4777">TS</a>]

01:19:40   and here's the what I have to say about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4780">TS</a>]

01:19:42   it and there were a lot of leaked memos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4782">TS</a>]

01:19:44   even Tim Cook's was not a public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4784">TS</a>]

01:19:46   statement it was a quote-unquote leaked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4786">TS</a>]

01:19:48   memo right you know couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4788">TS</a>]

01:19:51   publications got it we ended up getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4791">TS</a>]

01:19:52   it you know that of origin of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4792">TS</a>]

01:19:56   memos is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4796">TS</a>]

01:19:57   then you know debated among various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4797">TS</a>]

01:20:00   journalist age you get this where did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4800">TS</a>]

01:20:01   you get this and we were like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4801">TS</a>]

01:20:03   sawed-off I you know I can tell you but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4803">TS</a>]

01:20:05   it where that where those come from is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4805">TS</a>]

01:20:08   an interesting thing because elite memo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4808">TS</a>]

01:20:10   is essentially we want to say this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4810">TS</a>]

01:20:12   we don't want to make a public statement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4812">TS</a>]

01:20:13   about it because we're a public company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4813">TS</a>]

01:20:14   and this has a lot of ramifications and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4814">TS</a>]

01:20:17   a statement on the record statement is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4817">TS</a>]

01:20:20   I feel very strongly personally about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4820">TS</a>]

01:20:23   this come at me bro right and that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4823">TS</a>]

01:20:26   there's a difference right an impact I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4826">TS</a>]

01:20:29   feel and eventually a lot of the CEOs a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4829">TS</a>]

01:20:33   lot of the tech companies ended up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4833">TS</a>]

01:20:34   having a you know some sort of public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4834">TS</a>]

01:20:37   personal statement about it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4837">TS</a>]

01:20:39   satya nadella posted on linkedin you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4839">TS</a>]

01:20:42   know the mark zuckerberg posted on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4842">TS</a>]

01:20:45   Facebook you know so on and so forth and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4845">TS</a>]

01:20:48   those those statements i mean sergey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4848">TS</a>]

01:20:50   brin showed up at the protest against FL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4850">TS</a>]

01:20:52   and he said you know this is not a not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4852">TS</a>]

01:20:54   company thing i'm here as an immigrant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4854">TS</a>]

01:20:56   as a person but then of course the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4856">TS</a>]

01:20:58   employee rally and then you know google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4858">TS</a>]

01:21:01   was supportive of that it all about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4861">TS</a>]

01:21:03   about the the band or whatever you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4863">TS</a>]

01:21:07   to call the order right semantics are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4867">TS</a>]

01:21:09   being debated as we speak but that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4869">TS</a>]

01:21:14   was interesting to me to view the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4874">TS</a>]

01:21:15   spectrum of people who work where at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4875">TS</a>]

01:21:18   least i don't know if you want to call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4878">TS</a>]

01:21:20   it comfortable but felt passionately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4880">TS</a>]

01:21:22   enough about it to put it on the record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4882">TS</a>]

01:21:24   in their own voice and go out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4884">TS</a>]

01:21:26   versus the people who were in it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4886">TS</a>]

01:21:27   could it could spell caution it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4887">TS</a>]

01:21:29   spell calculation you know there are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4889">TS</a>]

01:21:31   lot of ways to take it it just depends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4891">TS</a>]

01:21:33   on how you look at it you know huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4893">TS</a>]

01:21:37   one weekend I know it is honestly you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4897">TS</a>]

01:21:42   know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4902">TS</a>]

01:21:43   yeah there's a lot here that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4903">TS</a>]

01:21:46   really feel that it is a lot of here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4906">TS</a>]

01:21:50   that seems to be very clearly to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4910">TS</a>]

01:21:51   coming from Steve band and abandons to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4911">TS</a>]

01:21:56   10-year at Breitbart and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4916">TS</a>]

01:21:59   publication's bent it's very clear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4919">TS</a>]

01:22:01   these are all things that he feels very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4921">TS</a>]

01:22:03   strongly personally about how much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4923">TS</a>]

01:22:05   those feelings that trump shares will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4925">TS</a>]

01:22:07   a very interesting historical account to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4927">TS</a>]

01:22:10   read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4930">TS</a>]

01:22:11   I mean if we ever figure that out you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4931">TS</a>]

01:22:12   know how closely their views are aligned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4932">TS</a>]

01:22:15   or if man is able to just you know push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4935">TS</a>]

01:22:18   forth his views and make them transfuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4938">TS</a>]

01:22:22   but it seems very clear that these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4942">TS</a>]

01:22:24   attitudes towards immigration and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4944">TS</a>]

01:22:26   towards a variety of other government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4946">TS</a>]

01:22:28   institutions very strongly held by band [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4948">TS</a>]

01:22:31   and this rapid application of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4951">TS</a>]

01:22:36   executive order which Republicans were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4956">TS</a>]

01:22:39   so angry that Obama utilized even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4959">TS</a>]

01:22:42   utilize them for less than say Reagan or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4962">TS</a>]

01:22:43   someone else you know he it is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4963">TS</a>]

01:22:48   interesting to see what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4968">TS</a>]

01:22:50   ramifications of this very fast and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4970">TS</a>]

01:22:52   loose application of this these orders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4972">TS</a>]

01:22:55   that obviously had far less let's put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4975">TS</a>]

01:22:59   this way weights very clear they had far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4979">TS</a>]

01:23:01   less vetting from the appropriate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4981">TS</a>]

01:23:02   agencies than previous executive orders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4982">TS</a>]

01:23:06   right you know from the agents affected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4986">TS</a>]

01:23:07   agencies are agencies responsible for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4987">TS</a>]

01:23:09   their execution so I'm this is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4989">TS</a>]

01:23:12   politics thing this is like a logistics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4992">TS</a>]

01:23:15   thing or if you're looking at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4995">TS</a>]

01:23:17   government as a business which trumpet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4997">TS</a>]

01:23:19   said he does is very interesting to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/4999">TS</a>]

01:23:21   this kind of business being conducted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5001">TS</a>]

01:23:23   and what the ramifications of it will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5003">TS</a>]

01:23:25   given that we are a weekend and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5005">TS</a>]

01:23:27   already exhausted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5007">TS</a>]

01:23:29   it is definitely going to be interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5009">TS</a>]

01:23:32   to see how people maintain their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5012">TS</a>]

01:23:33   vigilance that these things are handled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5013">TS</a>]

01:23:36   according to the rule of law and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5016">TS</a>]

01:23:38   according to appropriate procedure and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5018">TS</a>]

01:23:40   process because few gives a real thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5020">TS</a>]

01:23:43   you know I mean are fatigued that a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5023">TS</a>]

01:23:45   thing you know he just simply can't keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5025">TS</a>]

01:23:48   up it's so fatiguing that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5028">TS</a>]

01:23:50   mispronounced it i thought one of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5030">TS</a>]

01:23:53   was telling you we're in Nunda and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5033">TS</a>]

01:23:54   there's so much good writing that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5034">TS</a>]

01:23:56   going on it's hard to keep up with all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5036">TS</a>]

01:23:57   of it but one of the most telling things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5037">TS</a>]

01:23:59   i did I actually noted this back in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5039">TS</a>]

01:24:01   campaign i remember this but there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5041">TS</a>]

01:24:03   a couple of you know when it was clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5043">TS</a>]

01:24:04   that the Steve band was going to be so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5044">TS</a>]

01:24:06   or was so influential his campaign and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5046">TS</a>]

01:24:09   then after the election when he when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5049">TS</a>]

01:24:11   found out that the sky one that he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5051">TS</a>]

01:24:13   going to be a top adviser Trump had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5053">TS</a>]

01:24:17   a guest on bannon's radio show to catch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5057">TS</a>]

01:24:20   this on a podcast and get some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5060">TS</a>]

01:24:22   actual radio network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5062">TS</a>]

01:24:24   but band had a show and one of the times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5064">TS</a>]

01:24:29   that Trump was on they talked about they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5069">TS</a>]

01:24:31   were talking about immigration and Trump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5071">TS</a>]

01:24:32   was this is where they differed where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5072">TS</a>]

01:24:34   Trump was arguing more or less that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5074">TS</a>]

01:24:37   wanted to make it easier for when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5077">TS</a>]

01:24:40   immigrants come and go to our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5080">TS</a>]

01:24:42   universities and become experts in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5082">TS</a>]

01:24:45   science or whatever other fields they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5085">TS</a>]

01:24:47   are that it would be better for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5087">TS</a>]

01:24:48   country to figure out a way to keep them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5088">TS</a>]

01:24:50   here with their newly found us educate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5090">TS</a>]

01:24:52   you know expertise than to have them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5092">TS</a>]

01:24:55   leave again and band you know you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5095">TS</a>]

01:24:57   you agree with that right abandoned the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5097">TS</a>]

01:24:59   argument was that there's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5099">TS</a>]

01:25:00   something to do if it didn't quite say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5100">TS</a>]

01:25:02   was a probability you could tell us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5102">TS</a>]

01:25:03   where he was going that when two-thirds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5103">TS</a>]

01:25:05   or three-fourths of the CEOs in Silicon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5105">TS</a>]

01:25:07   Valley or from Asia or South Asia you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5107">TS</a>]

01:25:11   know that's a problem and you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5111">TS</a>]

01:25:14   I there's no way to avoid it i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5114">TS</a>]

01:25:16   either you think either you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5116">TS</a>]

01:25:18   something and you see like a sundar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5118">TS</a>]

01:25:21   Pichai who was born in India is the CEO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5121">TS</a>]

01:25:24   of one of the most successful companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5124">TS</a>]

01:25:26   in the history of the United States you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5126">TS</a>]

01:25:29   either see that as a great success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5129">TS</a>]

01:25:31   I I mean I just there's no common ground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5131">TS</a>]

01:25:34   i see this is that sundar Pichai is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5134">TS</a>]

01:25:36   proof that the system works and that our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5136">TS</a>]

01:25:38   country can be great and the sieve and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5138">TS</a>]

01:25:41   hold it up as a you know like a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5141">TS</a>]

01:25:42   to be so that needs a solution and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5142">TS</a>]

01:25:45   don't know i don't see how ya think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5145">TS</a>]

01:25:47   referred to it as a cultural right that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5147">TS</a>]

01:25:50   you know what it refers to our culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5150">TS</a>]

01:25:52   that we have to maintain a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5152">TS</a>]

01:25:53   culture and then the question then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5153">TS</a>]

01:25:55   becomes you mean white culture right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5155">TS</a>]

01:25:57   right like do you mean you mean that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5157">TS</a>]

01:26:00   European people who came over and killed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5160">TS</a>]

01:26:02   off the natives like those are the folks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5162">TS</a>]

01:26:04   that are the best excuse me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5164">TS</a>]

01:26:06   those are the folks that are the best in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5166">TS</a>]

01:26:08   those that's the culture we need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5168">TS</a>]

01:26:09   maintain and you know i mean i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5169">TS</a>]

01:26:13   that you have to take that stuff at face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5173">TS</a>]

01:26:15   value and I think that was you you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5175">TS</a>]

01:26:18   read something about this but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5178">TS</a>]

01:26:21   everybody that was saying in any of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5181">TS</a>]

01:26:22   Peter teal said this and nobody really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5182">TS</a>]

01:26:24   believed him at the time but it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5184">TS</a>]

01:26:26   looks pretty gross [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5186">TS</a>]

01:26:28   in retrospect you know it is in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5188">TS</a>]

01:26:31   a gross miscalculation or gross decembe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5191">TS</a>]

01:26:34   lling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5194">TS</a>]

01:26:35   of the truth in that is that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5195">TS</a>]

01:26:39   you don't take it literally grabbed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5199">TS</a>]

01:26:40   right did don't take Trump literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5200">TS</a>]

01:26:42   take him at his his intent not his word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5202">TS</a>]

01:26:46   or whatever they you know saying was but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5206">TS</a>]

01:26:49   it's become very clear that you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5209">TS</a>]

01:26:51   take this stuff literally so if you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5211">TS</a>]

01:26:53   at statements like that you go okay well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5213">TS</a>]

01:26:54   you know if this person's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5214">TS</a>]

01:26:58   policies or whatever are enacted then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5218">TS</a>]

01:27:00   you know the their goal is to create a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5220">TS</a>]

01:27:04   safe space for white people in America [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5224">TS</a>]

01:27:05   and then to you know a destroy as much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5225">TS</a>]

01:27:12   of the current government establishment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5232">TS</a>]

01:27:15   as possible because they view it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5235">TS</a>]

01:27:17   corrupt or unnecessary because these he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5237">TS</a>]

01:27:20   says he views himself as a bulb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5240">TS</a>]

01:27:21   Lannister whatever you'd like to disturb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5241">TS</a>]

01:27:24   his band like to tear down as much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5244">TS</a>]

01:27:27   the gov existing government as possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5247">TS</a>]

01:27:29   so you look at things like that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5249">TS</a>]

01:27:30   look at them hey you know I'm I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5250">TS</a>]

01:27:32   intellectually curious about what this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5252">TS</a>]

01:27:34   person's views are and you know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5254">TS</a>]

01:27:36   this gentleman is coming from and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5256">TS</a>]

01:27:38   you can look at the stuff that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5258">TS</a>]

01:27:39   happened in the last week and you go oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5259">TS</a>]

01:27:42   maybe I should take this as a statement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5262">TS</a>]

01:27:44   of fact and not a statement of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5264">TS</a>]

01:27:46   philosophy aura or game theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5266">TS</a>]

01:27:49   yeah and I think that that is a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5269">TS</a>]

01:27:52   scary proposition I have a theory on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5272">TS</a>]

01:27:55   that from you that and you know it is as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5275">TS</a>]

01:27:59   much hope as as a while can't prove it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5279">TS</a>]

01:28:03   but it's certainly what I hope in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5283">TS</a>]

01:28:06   of the sustainability of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5286">TS</a>]

01:28:08   administration it's a fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5288">TS</a>]

01:28:11   according to polls these is the least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5291">TS</a>]

01:28:14   popular incoming president in modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5294">TS</a>]

01:28:16   history meaning in the history of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5296">TS</a>]

01:28:18   the gallup poll and modern polling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5298">TS</a>]

01:28:20   technology and with just about every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5300">TS</a>]

01:28:23   previous are in fact not just about with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5303">TS</a>]

01:28:25   every previous elected new president [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5305">TS</a>]

01:28:28   there is this grace period after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5308">TS</a>]

01:28:31   election where the soon as the elections [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5311">TS</a>]

01:28:34   over here's the winter you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5314">TS</a>]

01:28:36   congratulations and the campaigning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5316">TS</a>]

01:28:38   stops there is a groundswell of support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5318">TS</a>]

01:28:41   and their popularity grows they enter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5321">TS</a>]

01:28:43   office with an approval rating that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5323">TS</a>]

01:28:45   is higher this was true for Reagan this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5325">TS</a>]

01:28:48   was true for Carter Bill Clinton George [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5328">TS</a>]

01:28:52   W Bush George HW Bush it's always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5332">TS</a>]

01:28:55   true and it's not true with Trump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5335">TS</a>]

01:28:58   Trump's popularity and approvals went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5338">TS</a>]

01:28:59   down between the election and starting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5339">TS</a>]

01:29:02   and amazingly this gal approval rating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5342">TS</a>]

01:29:06   went down eight points in his first week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5346">TS</a>]

01:29:08   as president which just doesn't happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5348">TS</a>]

01:29:11   and again it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5351">TS</a>]

01:29:13   I don't know but probably lost everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5353">TS</a>]

01:29:15   who's anybody who's listening it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5355">TS</a>]

01:29:17   trump supporter but I don't I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5357">TS</a>]

01:29:20   lost him a while ago but here's the help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5360">TS</a>]

01:29:22   for someone who's supposed to trump is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5362">TS</a>]

01:29:24   my theory is that Trump had a coalition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5364">TS</a>]

01:29:28   of voters who half of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5368">TS</a>]

01:29:32   let's say roughly loved every little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5372">TS</a>]

01:29:34   word he said they wanted to lock her up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5374">TS</a>]

01:29:37   they wanted to build a wall they wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5377">TS</a>]

01:29:39   to make Mexico pay for the wall that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5379">TS</a>]

01:29:41   they didn't want they wanted to ban [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5381">TS</a>]

01:29:44   Muslims from the country and any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5384">TS</a>]

01:29:47   half where the like the peter thiel type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5387">TS</a>]

01:29:49   and which is why i wrote about it which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5389">TS</a>]

01:29:51   is the you can take this guy literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5391">TS</a>]

01:29:54   he did he says these things because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5394">TS</a>]

01:29:55   sound good he's a showman that he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5395">TS</a>]

01:29:57   going to do any of this stuff you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5397">TS</a>]

01:29:59   it's just think of the vague intent you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5399">TS</a>]

01:30:01   know it's you know Till's description [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5401">TS</a>]

01:30:03   and it's so funny that he picked up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5403">TS</a>]

01:30:05   the the band the Muslims was that oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5405">TS</a>]

01:30:09   yeah he just says that but what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5409">TS</a>]

01:30:11   really means is they're going to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5411">TS</a>]

01:30:12   saying image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5412">TS</a>]

01:30:13   they're just gonna have a saner smarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5413">TS</a>]

01:30:14   immigration policy well this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5414">TS</a>]

01:30:16   immigration policy is insane and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5416">TS</a>]

01:30:18   not smarter it's poorly written it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5418">TS</a>]

01:30:20   hard to execute I think what's happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5420">TS</a>]

01:30:23   with Trump's approval is that the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5423">TS</a>]

01:30:25   the only people he's going to be left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5425">TS</a>]

01:30:26   with are the group that wanted him to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5426">TS</a>]

01:30:28   taken literally and that the group who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5428">TS</a>]

01:30:30   didn't want to take it literally and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5430">TS</a>]

01:30:32   just assumed that he wouldn't are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5432">TS</a>]

01:30:34   jumping ship because now they see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5434">TS</a>]

01:30:36   he actually is doing these these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5436">TS</a>]

01:30:38   and I don't think that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5438">TS</a>]

01:30:39   widespread support for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5439">TS</a>]

01:30:44   yeah yeah it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5444">TS</a>]

01:30:47   I mean there's this like a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5447">TS</a>]

01:30:49   there's a couple of accounts on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5449">TS</a>]

01:30:51   can sort of collating regretful truck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5451">TS</a>]

01:30:54   motors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5454">TS</a>]

01:30:54   hmm who we are expressing their then one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5454">TS</a>]

01:30:59   today that you know hundreds of tweets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5459">TS</a>]

01:31:01   long sort of before-and-after tweets the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5461">TS</a>]

01:31:05   first it's like clipping the i'm afraid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5465">TS</a>]

01:31:07   i don't remember the account right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5467">TS</a>]

01:31:08   but they're clipping the before to meet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5468">TS</a>]

01:31:10   you know when they're like all the trip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5470">TS</a>]

01:31:12   is going to x and y and you know trust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5472">TS</a>]

01:31:14   him and then the before the afterwards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5474">TS</a>]

01:31:16   like he's not gonna do this at all i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5476">TS</a>]

01:31:18   not now i'm not going to healthcare or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5478">TS</a>]

01:31:20   whatever and i think that there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5480">TS</a>]

01:31:21   there's a shot in front and that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5481">TS</a>]

01:31:24   there's also like it when people say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5484">TS</a>]

01:31:27   have to see the other side and or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5487">TS</a>]

01:31:31   know cross borders to to make that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5491">TS</a>]

01:31:33   always seems like it's always one side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5493">TS</a>]

01:31:35   having to cross those borders but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5495">TS</a>]

01:31:37   thought honestly think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5497">TS</a>]

01:31:38   opportunity there to not be like Nelson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5498">TS</a>]

01:31:41   haha and be like look you were fooled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5501">TS</a>]

01:31:45   now let's fix it right and unfortunately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5505">TS</a>]

01:31:48   you know for many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5508">TS</a>]

01:31:52   unfortunately for especially for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5512">TS</a>]

01:31:53   who are very solidly were very slowly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5513">TS</a>]

01:31:55   Hillary Clinton Clinton supporters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5515">TS</a>]

01:31:57   whatever fixing it is going to end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5517">TS</a>]

01:32:00   with penson power and the worst-case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5520">TS</a>]

01:32:02   scenario is that you know for those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5522">TS</a>]

01:32:04   folks is definitely bandhan stays in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5524">TS</a>]

01:32:06   power and implements his true strategy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5526">TS</a>]

01:32:08   which he laid out very explicitly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5528">TS</a>]

01:32:11   you have to believe he wants those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5531">TS</a>]

01:32:13   things because he's you know in Britain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5533">TS</a>]

01:32:16   and influenced all of the other stuff so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5536">TS</a>]

01:32:18   far that's matched up 141 right and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5538">TS</a>]

01:32:22   that's worst-case scenario that buddy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5542">TS</a>]

01:32:24   your best-case scenario is pence which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5544">TS</a>]

01:32:25   you know pence does not share liberal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5545">TS</a>]

01:32:29   values that all right i mean very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5549">TS</a>]

01:32:31   far-right you would consider him one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5551">TS</a>]

01:32:34   the farthest right if it wasn't for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5554">TS</a>]

01:32:36   band Trump conglomerate right so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5556">TS</a>]

01:32:41   it's gonna be a rough for years i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5561">TS</a>]

01:32:43   for anybody well ruff to it maybe if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5563">TS</a>]

01:32:47   this groundswell of of disapproval and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5567">TS</a>]

01:32:51   or you know activity or our activism is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5571">TS</a>]

01:32:56   able to carry for two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5576">TS</a>]

01:32:58   you get into the midterm elections and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5578">TS</a>]

01:33:01   maybe you know the checks and balances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5581">TS</a>]

01:33:03   are back in place where it's some sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5583">TS</a>]

01:33:06   of middle ground is found between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5586">TS</a>]

01:33:08   two halves of the country literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5588">TS</a>]

01:33:10   almost two halves of the voting public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5590">TS</a>]

01:33:11   right now uh you know so it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5591">TS</a>]

01:33:14   definitely it at set times like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5594">TS</a>]

01:33:17   where you realize just how important to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5597">TS</a>]

01:33:20   the balance of the force so to speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5600">TS</a>]

01:33:24   those checks and balances are when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5604">TS</a>]

01:33:25   they're not there anymore it's it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5605">TS</a>]

01:33:27   very sudden cold bath you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5607">TS</a>]

01:33:30   yep and you know I don't think we're at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5610">TS</a>]

01:33:32   the end of it and and in terms of issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5612">TS</a>]

01:33:34   that will just pop up on stun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5614">TS</a>]

01:33:38   unexpectedly that draw uh you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5618">TS</a>]

01:33:41   industry that we cover into it directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5621">TS</a>]

01:33:44   I mean it's going to be something I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5624">TS</a>]

01:33:45   for example I mean I mean trumpets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5625">TS</a>]

01:33:47   harping about it a year ago with the San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5627">TS</a>]

01:33:49   Bernardino case and apples studied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5629">TS</a>]

01:33:54   refusal to to give the FBI you know not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5634">TS</a>]

01:33:57   to go down that whole story again but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5637">TS</a>]

01:33:58   you know they didn't want to give them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5638">TS</a>]

01:34:01   an OS to unlock the phone in and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5641">TS</a>]

01:34:03   going to be a little different when and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5643">TS</a>]

01:34:05   Trump is the presidents that have just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5645">TS</a>]

01:34:06   the candidate and the heats fighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5646">TS</a>]

01:34:08   back against it so I'm sure what will go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5648">TS</a>]

01:34:10   down that path again but yeah I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5650">TS</a>]

01:34:13   cybersecurity is the next big thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5653">TS</a>]

01:34:15   so we'll see alright briefly because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5655">TS</a>]

01:34:17   know we've gone over only on he's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5657">TS</a>]

01:34:18   charge so outline one last thing I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5658">TS</a>]

01:34:21   wanted to touch on is that you know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5661">TS</a>]

01:34:24   many years now you've been going back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5664">TS</a>]

01:34:25   last week you were at sundance in Utah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5665">TS</a>]

01:34:27   yeah and I do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5667">TS</a>]

01:34:31   so tell me about it tell me what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5671">TS</a>]

01:34:33   know you do seems like you really have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5673">TS</a>]

01:34:35   good time out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5675">TS</a>]

01:34:36   yes I'm gonna have been going as long as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5676">TS</a>]

01:34:39   some folks I mean obviously it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5679">TS</a>]

01:34:40   going on for decades but um I started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5680">TS</a>]

01:34:43   going in 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5683">TS</a>]

01:34:47   13 2012 2013 somewhere in there so for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5687">TS</a>]

01:34:51   few years now I've been going over here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5691">TS</a>]

01:34:52   in I like it a lot I mean it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5692">TS</a>]

01:34:56   I like everything about it there's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5696">TS</a>]

01:34:58   go to this town in utah park city which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5698">TS</a>]

01:35:01   is this Sundance's cover salt lake city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5701">TS</a>]

01:35:04   park city and a couple of other small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5704">TS</a>]

01:35:07   venues like Robert Redford's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5707">TS</a>]

01:35:08   students personal screening room and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5708">TS</a>]

01:35:10   some other things had bases and he's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5710">TS</a>]

01:35:15   ahold Conclave up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5715">TS</a>]

01:35:16   the dude basically just owns this whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5716">TS</a>]

01:35:18   town that's really funny but it's a you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5718">TS</a>]

01:35:23   go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5723">TS</a>]

01:35:24   it's in this snow there's nothing else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5724">TS</a>]

01:35:26   to do but watch movies and eat your you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5726">TS</a>]

01:35:30   know your kind of locked in i mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5730">TS</a>]

01:35:32   could ski and said I'd never do I always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5732">TS</a>]

01:35:33   tell myself all over that you know take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5733">TS</a>]

01:35:35   an afternoon or whatever but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5735">TS</a>]

01:35:37   always seems to be something to see you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5737">TS</a>]

01:35:38   something to do but you go in there snow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5738">TS</a>]

01:35:42   locked in this little town everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5742">TS</a>]

01:35:44   there's is there to see movies there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5744">TS</a>]

01:35:47   like 60 70 movies that play every day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5747">TS</a>]

01:35:50   across all the venues you can only see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5750">TS</a>]

01:35:52   three or four of them a day I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5752">TS</a>]

01:35:53   that's if you pack them in and how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5753">TS</a>]

01:35:55   you decide how do you mean what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5755">TS</a>]

01:35:57   do to get like a loser just like I hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5757">TS</a>]

01:35:59   you get lucky you you get like a pass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5759">TS</a>]

01:36:01   and here's a list of all the movies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5761">TS</a>]

01:36:02   you just go through and and pick them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5762">TS</a>]

01:36:04   yeah it's different for passholders so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5764">TS</a>]

01:36:07   if your pass holder you buy a package [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5767">TS</a>]

01:36:09   which gives you access to certain kinds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5769">TS</a>]

01:36:11   of tickets and so many tickets a day or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5771">TS</a>]

01:36:13   whatever the case right near those past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5773">TS</a>]

01:36:15   holders get some nice perks like to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5775">TS</a>]

01:36:17   to go in and see get seeded first to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5777">TS</a>]

01:36:19   theater and whatnot but I goes press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5779">TS</a>]

01:36:20   because i do cover variety things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5780">TS</a>]

01:36:23   last year for instance the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5783">TS</a>]

01:36:25   documentary there were hartzog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5785">TS</a>]

01:36:27   documentary on on the internet you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5787">TS</a>]

01:36:30   the kind of impact of the internet was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5790">TS</a>]

01:36:33   showing there so get to interview him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5793">TS</a>]

01:36:34   and and wrote about that for TechCrunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5794">TS</a>]

01:36:36   and so I went in there more stuff there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5796">TS</a>]

01:36:40   is interactive vraa are versus just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5800">TS</a>]

01:36:43   films so when i go i always find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5803">TS</a>]

01:36:46   something to write about for TechCrunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5806">TS</a>]

01:36:47   and it's it's fun to go is pressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5807">TS</a>]

01:36:51   because you get you sign up you get your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5811">TS</a>]

01:36:53   press pass your press pass allows you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5813">TS</a>]

01:36:55   see any press screening they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5815">TS</a>]

01:36:56   essentially 14 theater multiplex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5816">TS</a>]

01:37:00   where it runs press P&I screenings all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5820">TS</a>]

01:37:03   day so pressing industry you can go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5823">TS</a>]

01:37:04   any of those just get in line and go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5824">TS</a>]

01:37:06   and watch those and then you can also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5826">TS</a>]

01:37:08   wait list for any movie throughout the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5828">TS</a>]

01:37:11   day and weightlifting is essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5831">TS</a>]

01:37:13   they have a little app in you you when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5833">TS</a>]

01:37:15   the waitlist thing turns on you hit go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5835">TS</a>]

01:37:17   and it says your number and so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5837">TS</a>]

01:37:19   overflow seating which they have between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5839">TS</a>]

01:37:21   40 and a hundred to two hundred seats on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5841">TS</a>]

01:37:23   every theater assigned to the waitlist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5843">TS</a>]

01:37:25   you could possibly get in if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5845">TS</a>]

01:37:27   have a ticket you buy your ticket for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5847">TS</a>]

01:37:29   twenty dollars that each movie ticket is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5849">TS</a>]

01:37:31   twenty dollars and me go and see this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5851">TS</a>]

01:37:33   movie that nobody's ever seen so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5853">TS</a>]

01:37:34   kind of a good deal for like local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5854">TS</a>]

01:37:35   residents and folks that don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5855">TS</a>]

01:37:37   ticket packages but for the press you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5857">TS</a>]

01:37:39   sign up you get your app where your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5859">TS</a>]

01:37:41   press pass which allows you to do all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5861">TS</a>]

01:37:43   that then you get 10 free complimentary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5863">TS</a>]

01:37:45   tickets over the course of the show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5865">TS</a>]

01:37:47   then you can request between one and two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5867">TS</a>]

01:37:48   tickets every day that the press office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5868">TS</a>]

01:37:51   in the morning so everybody rushes down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5871">TS</a>]

01:37:52   and you know says always try to see this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5872">TS</a>]

01:37:54   or that they sell out of those tickets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5874">TS</a>]

01:37:56   once they would sell out and that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5876">TS</a>]

01:37:58   so in general like this last time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5878">TS</a>]

01:38:00   don't have my stubs in front of me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5880">TS</a>]

01:38:02   count but i think i saw i got there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5882">TS</a>]

01:38:04   thursday and left tuesday morning was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5884">TS</a>]

01:38:06   short trip for me and I saw that big 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5886">TS</a>]

01:38:09   movies in that space of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5889">TS</a>]

01:38:11   well and then a bunch of VR exhibits so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5891">TS</a>]

01:38:13   when you pack it in you know you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5893">TS</a>]

01:38:15   there you might as well you know I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5895">TS</a>]

01:38:17   I do anyway you know different people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5897">TS</a>]

01:38:18   handle it differently the film [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5898">TS</a>]

01:38:20   journalists usually stay there for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5900">TS</a>]

01:38:21   week or even to because it's the runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5901">TS</a>]

01:38:25   two weeks and that second week is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5905">TS</a>]

01:38:27   second weekend / week is great because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5907">TS</a>]

01:38:30   nobody's there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5910">TS</a>]

01:38:31   I've gone in the second week some years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5911">TS</a>]

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01:38:51   the movie including down to the grips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5931">TS</a>]

01:38:53   and camera guys or wherever else came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5933">TS</a>]

01:38:55   and then those q and A's after every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5935">TS</a>]

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01:39:00   to the filmmakers about their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5940">TS</a>]

01:39:01   motivations and all that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5941">TS</a>]

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01:39:30   plays one of the programmers very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5970">TS</a>]

01:39:33   and you will hear about this I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5973">TS</a>]

01:39:34   netflix bottom actually so you should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5974">TS</a>]

01:39:37   able to watch it on netflix i don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5977">TS</a>]

01:39:38   if they're gonna release it theatrically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5978">TS</a>]

01:39:39   are directly on the fly but netflix and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5979">TS</a>]

01:39:43   amazon were big enormous presence is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5983">TS</a>]

01:39:45   there they bought a ton of movies from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5985">TS</a>]

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01:39:54   netflix is like poking around like there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5994">TS</a>]

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01:39:58   they got to be a more and more of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5998">TS</a>]

01:39:59   presence until this year it was like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/5999">TS</a>]

01:40:02   know they were there were some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6002">TS</a>]

01:40:03   biggest purchasers at the show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6003">TS</a>]

01:40:05   everyone everybody's lips and many of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6005">TS</a>]

01:40:07   the movies that premiered there had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6007">TS</a>]

01:40:08   already been pre-purchased by netflix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6008">TS</a>]

01:40:10   and things like that so it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6010">TS</a>]

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01:40:15   with Sunday's world at a rapid pace over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6015">TS</a>]

01:40:17   the last several years and it's got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6017">TS</a>]

01:40:19   be it has to be from their perspective a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6019">TS</a>]

01:40:21   lower-risk way because these are movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6021">TS</a>]

01:40:23   that are already made you know that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6023">TS</a>]

01:40:24   it you know I don't that you could say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6024">TS</a>]

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01:40:29   subjective miss to it we're obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6029">TS</a>]

01:40:30   whoever it is from netflix is watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6030">TS</a>]

01:40:32   the movie into yeah this is good you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6032">TS</a>]

01:40:34   know making a subjective judgment that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6034">TS</a>]

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01:40:38   enough that we should think about buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6038">TS</a>]

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01:40:41   is so much lower than backing something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6041">TS</a>]

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01:40:47   know who are you going to get who can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6047">TS</a>]

01:40:49   you cast is it going to come together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6049">TS</a>]

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01:40:54   price right right and like last every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6054">TS</a>]

01:40:58   time I go to one of them my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6058">TS</a>]

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01:41:01   talked to people because in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6061">TS</a>]

01:41:03   these are film industry people that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6063">TS</a>]

01:41:05   there i mean their bands to write just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6065">TS</a>]

01:41:07   folks that want to see movies but like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6067">TS</a>]

01:41:09   talk to you know academy award-winning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6069">TS</a>]

01:41:11   producers that are just standing in line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6071">TS</a>]

01:41:13   and we just have a discussion right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6073">TS</a>]

01:41:14   because they're waiting to see some new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6074">TS</a>]

01:41:16   things and they're like oh yeah here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6076">TS</a>]

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01:41:20   talked with them about their next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6080">TS</a>]

01:41:21   project and about the industry in blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6081">TS</a>]

01:41:24   blah and like I talk to buyers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6084">TS</a>]

01:41:27   and producers and they're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6087">TS</a>]

01:41:29   netflix and amazon they're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6089">TS</a>]

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01:41:34   like do you view it as like an invasion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6094">TS</a>]

01:41:36   or whatever there-there you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6096">TS</a>]

01:41:39   general the response has been very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6099">TS</a>]

01:41:40   positive when they're like hell no for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6100">TS</a>]

01:41:42   us it's like a way to tell a filmmaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6102">TS</a>]

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01:41:46   your next movie in other words sell this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6106">TS</a>]

01:41:48   movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6108">TS</a>]

01:41:49   you're not going to bet you know be rich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6109">TS</a>]

01:41:51   off of it or whatever you're gonna make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6111">TS</a>]

01:41:53   a decent deal because neither whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6113">TS</a>]

01:41:55   amazon amazon netflix are overpaying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6115">TS</a>]

01:41:57   right now for movies simply because a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6117">TS</a>]

01:41:59   they have the money and be there sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6119">TS</a>]

01:42:00   trying to build momentum but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6120">TS</a>]

01:42:04   also enabling filmmakers to just boom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6124">TS</a>]

01:42:08   like sell that and then make another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6128">TS</a>]

01:42:10   movie right like it move on to your next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6130">TS</a>]

01:42:12   project and then allows them to build a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6132">TS</a>]

01:42:14   body of work and it's just like a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6134">TS</a>]

01:42:16   plug-and-play distributor that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6136">TS</a>]

01:42:18   able to just can't go it's a netflix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6138">TS</a>]

01:42:22   comes with our corpus of data that says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6142">TS</a>]

01:42:24   this is what we know works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6144">TS</a>]

01:42:25   amazon comes with their deep pockets and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6145">TS</a>]

01:42:27   says hey we're going to really shoot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6147">TS</a>]

01:42:28   theatrically like they're different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6148">TS</a>]

01:42:30   playbooks there's not they're not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6150">TS</a>]

01:42:31   like bland entities the handle things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6151">TS</a>]

01:42:34   the same way you know they definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6154">TS</a>]

01:42:35   distribute them very differently but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6155">TS</a>]

01:42:38   logic new opportunities you know for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6158">TS</a>]

01:42:39   filmmakers any other movies you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6159">TS</a>]

01:42:41   give a shout out to other than the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6161">TS</a>]

01:42:42   sick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6162">TS</a>]

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01:42:45   liked it and Marjorie prime is a movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6165">TS</a>]

01:42:48   that stars Jon Hamm geena davis who else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6168">TS</a>]

01:43:00   a tim robbins isn't it as well so I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6180">TS</a>]

01:43:05   like you know all all-star cast I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6185">TS</a>]

01:43:07   it's directed by this guy named mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6187">TS</a>]

01:43:09   Michael I'm radio I think I'm raida I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6189">TS</a>]

01:43:14   meet my mispronounced aid he directed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6194">TS</a>]

01:43:16   the hamlet in our neighborhood with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6196">TS</a>]

01:43:18   ethan hawke yesterday back but yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6198">TS</a>]

01:43:21   movie stars lowest smith and louis smith [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6201">TS</a>]

01:43:24   is a very variable actress you you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6204">TS</a>]

01:43:26   seen her you know it you listeners out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6206">TS</a>]

01:43:29   there you have seen her in something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6209">TS</a>]

01:43:30   trust me that busy with our if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6210">TS</a>]

01:43:33   remember East of Eden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6213">TS</a>]

01:43:34   yeah with uh yeah yeah she was in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6214">TS</a>]

01:43:37   like she's been in in the biz a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6217">TS</a>]

01:43:39   time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6219">TS</a>]

01:43:40   I think she's e85 86 now but she wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6220">TS</a>]

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01:43:45   that people have seen like fried green [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6225">TS</a>]

01:43:47   tomatoes and oyster and you know true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6227">TS</a>]

01:43:50   blood and all kinds of stuff right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6230">TS</a>]

01:43:52   she played that she plays a character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6232">TS</a>]

01:43:54   who is losing her memory either via [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6234">TS</a>]

01:43:56   dementia or Alzheimer's or whatever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6236">TS</a>]

01:43:59   her family and she played this same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6239">TS</a>]

01:44:01   character in a stage play written by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6241">TS</a>]

01:44:04   guy who you know they adapted the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6244">TS</a>]

01:44:05   screenplay off of and she's played that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6245">TS</a>]

01:44:07   character twice in two runs of that play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6247">TS</a>]

01:44:09   and then he directed this director [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6249">TS</a>]

01:44:12   director her in this movie version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6252">TS</a>]

01:44:14   that play and she's an older woman who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6254">TS</a>]

01:44:16   losing her cognitive ability and her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6256">TS</a>]

01:44:19   family purchases her and a i called the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6259">TS</a>]

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01:44:26   with her and to help her to keep those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6266">TS</a>]

01:44:29   memory pathways active right the helper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6269">TS</a>]

01:44:33   relive her life and and and talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6273">TS</a>]

01:44:36   her memories so Jon Hamm plays her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6276">TS</a>]

01:44:39   husband in his younger state because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6279">TS</a>]

01:44:42   that's the way she wanted to remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6282">TS</a>]

01:44:43   him and the prime is set up to engage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6283">TS</a>]

01:44:47   with her and ask her about her life and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6287">TS</a>]

01:44:48   to learn so when she talks to it learns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6288">TS</a>]

01:44:51   about her life essentially learning to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6291">TS</a>]

01:44:52   be more human and more like him but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6292">TS</a>]

01:44:56   themes obviously the AI you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6296">TS</a>]

01:44:59   component of it as a huge portion of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6299">TS</a>]

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01:45:07   breathing by the end of it and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6307">TS</a>]

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01:45:13   meditative movie that I found to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6313">TS</a>]

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01:45:27   humans can sort of impart their being to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6327">TS</a>]

01:45:30   AI in the future or may impart them if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6330">TS</a>]

01:45:32   it ever gets to that point you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6332">TS</a>]

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01:45:38   think maybe netflix but it sounds right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6338">TS</a>]

01:45:40   up your alley so I feel like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6340">TS</a>]

01:45:42   entering a goal against as Hollywood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6342">TS</a>]

01:45:44   devolves into nothing but sequels two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6344">TS</a>]

01:45:47   franchises and 300 million dollar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuyT7maE/6347">TS</a>]

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