The Talk Show

00:00:00 ◼   ► I have a question for his the linguistic [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► question i have heard this I've heard it [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► bill simmons is using it I've heard [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► other people using it there's the UH the [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► what used to be the something-something [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► 1600 podcast though that crew is now has [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► a new podcast i think it's odd save the [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► queen [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► people are called podcast episodes pods [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► I've seen it yet all over the place it [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► seems to be it is to me the Lindy [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► linguistic it's the word of the year so [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► far for 2017 i'm almost down with it [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► even though I am generally a conversion [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► on all anything that triggers with the [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► language what do you think what makes it [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► makes I i think it's fine because will [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► want it short right and it is both short [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► and it's very descriptive you know [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► exactly what it's talking about and it's [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► also fascinating because we've kinda [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► like our careers have overlapped like [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► the journey of the word pod from being [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► this apparatus you plug in your computer [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► the ipod and thus being the podcast and [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► now Todd being entirely like you went [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► through a transformer Eurasian whatever [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► the word is it is really interesting [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► actually think about it i think it's [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► fascinating uh but it in particular it [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► seems like people are using it though to [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► mean episode not the show even those [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► PyCon pod save the queen [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► I guess it kind of implies that it's the [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► whole it's the show itself [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► yeah of positive and positive america [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► god save America whatever the hell this [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► show is called but anyway I just think [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► that stuck out to me is the use of POD [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► yeah but that makes sense though because [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► podcast is the entity right and then a [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► podcast contains multiple pods him i [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► mean if you think about it too much it [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► doesn't make sense but but if you think [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► that the appropriate level of these [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► perfect sense i I'm I'm down with it [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► I mean it's a good addition i wrote [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► about this i would have to find the link [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► but I wrote about this the first time [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► Apple ever put podcast as a feature in [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► itunes which was [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► a long time ago i mean we're talking i [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► might have been like 2003 I don't have [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► low 25 because that was the window do [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► was doing podcasts was a pretty audio [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► may Twitter I but just how sort of at at [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► at first I was sort of thinking uh at [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► way back then that hey Apple might put [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► the kibosh on people calling these [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► things podcast because they're very [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► touchy touchy about a trade marks and [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► stuff like that and then they like kind [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► of embrace the word and it was like whoa [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► what the heck is that [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► I and I it hit me way back then like [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► it's kind of genius for them to embrace [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► it because it sort of makes it seem like [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► a podcaster only meant for ipods like [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► right kind of own the thing and you know [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► I at this point I feel like there's more [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► people who have listened to podcasts [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► period you know some podcast maybe not [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► my podcast somebody's podcast who've [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► never even owned an ipod oh yeah sure [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► but yet the word persist but the whole [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► the whole origin of the word is based [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► it's clearly based on the word ipod yep [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► yay no it's it's a no you're right it's [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► really need you back up and think about [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► it the the benefit the way it pays out [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► to the ipod always at that time you know [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► is right it's like a you know it's like [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► there's a classic strategy technique [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► which is commoditize your compliments [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► basically all the things that make your [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► product really good you want to make [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► them be super common super free and this [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► is applications we have a branding [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► perspective like they they made podcast [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► the name they didn't trade market that [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► has spread super wide and all crew to [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► the ipod which they you know we're [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► breaking all the money on [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► it you are indeed your memory if if you [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► were a wee calling from memory is [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► correct it was from july 2005 2005 don't [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► know what we call those years now i [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► don't know what we call the office and [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► ask the odds it was it and it was a post [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► I wrote on the site called is that a [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► podcast in your pocket I put in the [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► Senate I it is a long article I just [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► sounded as well I didn't have an editor [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► back then I kind of like Colin new pod [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► like that's what Bill Simmons I go [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► sentence announcing a new episode will [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► be like new pod and then it will have [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► like a link to the show I kinda like it [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► yeah now it is [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► yeah it I've never been one thing you [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► mentioned before about you people have [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► never had an ipod I get more and more of [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► these of these emails from like stretchy [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► members or whatever that are like it [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► i've officially reached the stage in [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► life where people just say things in [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► passing that just blows my mind this [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► will sell out there their relative [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► experience the technology compared the [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► line like what give me another example [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► well just like I mean high tide [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► not now might be a brain freezer is my [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► remember the emotion that I get from [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► reading emails will say something and [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► passing about when they got their first [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► fold or different memories about [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► something like something i remember all [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► remember back when it was this like [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► everyone was introduced first of it [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► that's why it doesn't mind right now but [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► it happens frequently enough it's a [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► little thing where the emotion of the [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► shock at man i'm all the is I'm gonna go [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► right to that I i'll give you take [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► somebody who writes and says like [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► they're diehard long time Apple user and [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► their first Apple product was like the [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► iphone 4s and you're like you're like [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► what you sent John Syracuse to your [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► house and and I'm going to have you [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► schooled on what it means to be a long [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► time a user so i was totally god bless [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► ya is no it's all shoot i'm apparently [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► the it being taught in the morning [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► aspect is kicking in but [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► how there's something happened to the [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► day where I officially shifted to like [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► back like back in my day mode i thought [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► it was always involved with the box [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► basketball i just bought a badass old [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► timers like if you started what if you [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► start going to game in the nineties and [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► I felt justified in saying that like [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► that was a really long time ago with [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► like the nineties like don't feel that [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► far away to me but it's actually it has [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► really been like 20-30 years or whatever [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► it is and yet the fact that i felt i [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► could say that and no one called me on [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► it but you were on Twitter like yeah [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► I'll totally i remember going to use [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► games it's a so yeah we're a bunch of [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► people out it's it's it's it's both so [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► depressing it's also kind of satisfying [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► like you to be able to like sit back and [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► revel in uh in in your you know being a [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► part of what came before I'm embracing [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► it I'm leaning into it and we do a lot [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► about it [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► let me take a break right off the bat [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► let's just get this rolling and and can [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► respond to break out of the way and let [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► me talk to you about what I'm one of the [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► best new sponsors we've got on this show [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► it's cooked a company called away away [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► uses high quality materials that other [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► branches but they sell at much lower [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► prices what do they make they make [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► luggage they have three sizes to carry [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► on the medium/large the largest huge [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► it's just like if you're like leaving [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► your family you know it's like really [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► really big all their suitcases are made [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► with premium German parley carbonate [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► unrivaled and strength and impact [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► resistance and very lightweight the [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► interior of all the suitcases features [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► patent-pending compression systems [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► helpful for over Packers in other words [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► you open it up and it's not just like [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► like like a rectangle and a cube inside [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► it they've got like compartments inside [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► they've got little things that help you [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► that help you organize your stuff they [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► have a tsa approved combination lock [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► built into the top of all the bags to [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► prevent fast removable washable laundry [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► bag right inside so there's a great idea [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► what do you do with dirty clothes when [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► you pack this is what i do i I never [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► think ahead i go on a trip and I think [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► well here's all the clothes i'm going to [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► take and then I get there [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► and then once i get there i start piling [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► up dirty clothes i just put them in a [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► corner and it's like just just ignore [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► until I pack up to leave they give you a [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► washable laundry bag you can actually [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► have a place to put your dirty clothes [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► when you are in your hotel room or [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► whatever that wherever the heck you're [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► stayin really really great now look why [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► are they advertising on the talk show [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► what's this got to do with technology [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► well not every sponsor has something to [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► do with technology but these guys do [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► that carry on from a way is able to [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► charge all cell phones tablets e-readers [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► anything else that's powered by USB cord [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► because it has a built-in battery right [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► in the case so this is super-convenient [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► this is amazing you just sit there at [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► your seat in the airport while you're [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► waiting for your flight to the for them [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► to tell you the board and you can just [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► plug any cable right into the top of the [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► suitcase and charger phone right from [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► your carry-on they got a lifetime [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► warranty and can break so fix it for you [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► for life hundred a trial get one of [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► these two cases live with it [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► travel with instagram it whatever you [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► want to do and if you don't like it [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► return it for a full refund no questions [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► asked free shipping on anyway order [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► within the continental US this is a [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► great product [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► I need a new suitcase I don't have one [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► of these yet and I feel terrible that I [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► don't because my carry-on suitcase is a [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► rack it is is like ripped up it is it's [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► got wheels that don't roll terrible i'm [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► buying one of these things so I here's [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► what you want to do you can get twenty [TS]

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00:10:29 ◼   ► remember the promo code talk show during [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► checkout and you'll save twenty bucks [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► i'm going to use it i'm going to save [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► twenty bucks i'm going to get one of [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► these i'm getting the carryout that's [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► where you go get one of these two cases [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► this is a great product at a tremendous [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► price compared to high-end suitcases [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► from traditional retailers go there find [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► out more get a suitcase way travel.com / [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► talk show remember that promo code talk [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► show [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► I talk about the NFL except well we were [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► originally on the record that last week [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► when I'm wait until until I package for [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► humbled after after defeating your hell [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► I didn't do that on purpose i think the [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► chance to us to do a double or nothing [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► after our unfortunate that the last time [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► i was on the podcast when do we had gayo [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► you would owe you a drink I owe you [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► drinks next time the whole bottle I I [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► know I owe you dinner [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► why is that we we bet before the regular [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► season game between the packers & and [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► the animal animal cowboys and we lost we [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► lost humbly it doesn't seem right that [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► doesn't seem right that I that you owe [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► me given that the packers beat the [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► cowboys in the playoffs that doesn't [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► seem right what would it would account [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► for an account [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► yeah i forgot to specify the bad news [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► about one accounts so you're a lifelong [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► Green Bay Packers fan I'm a lifelong [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► dallas cowboys fan the cowboys and the [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► Packers played at this point was that 10 [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► days ago 11 days ago I was the honestly [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► in all in my opinion it was the only [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► good playoff game at the entire NFL [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► playoffs to date is that brutal has been [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► brutal [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► what was it is one of the only good [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► platform in these playoffs it was like [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► one of the all-time great playoff games [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► of all time yeah it so it was an [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► all-time great game and but it was [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► literally the only decent playoff game [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► I mean the only other one that you could [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► even make an argument for would be the [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► steelers chiefs game on the same day it [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► which was a game that was won by a team [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► that kicked six field goals this year so [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► if you want to argue if you're like in [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► the greater pittsburgh area and you want [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► to argue that that was a good game two [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► in a game where your team won with six [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► field goals [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► okay fine you know that was a great game [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► yeah sure [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► otherwise this is going good game of the [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► playoffs but it's like you said it was [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► seriously like an all-time great game [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► and I'm people are our teams have been [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► in there have been a few of those [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► I liked it I liked in the nineties when [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► the packers enough that when the packers [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► and cowboys would meet every single year [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► and every single year no matter what [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► happened [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► the Cowboys would eat beat them handily [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► that's what I love ya I don't mean I [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► mean not so I i treated immediately [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► after the game that that victory was far [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► from yes it all the all the emotions of [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► those nineties losses came came rushing [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► back at the end of that game what I [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► remember from the early from the first [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► years that this became a rivalry when [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► the early favre years when favre was was [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► a young up-and-coming quarterback was [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► the ridiculous distances that favre [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► could throw football like he it you know [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► they'd be like unlike the 30 yard line [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► and time would be running out in the [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► first half and it would be like why [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► they're just you know throw it to like [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► the 20 and hope something happens [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► instead he'd throw it all the way into [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► the endzone you'd be like the wait i [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► thought they were at two-thirty and then [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► they showed the replay and it was like [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► oh yeah they were at the 30 and he still [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► threw it all the way to the end up like [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► heat yet that he could throw the ball [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► like silly distances like like like [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► throwing in a row be ya know I really it [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► is hard to I mean obviously all the [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► stuff with favre sort of ended badly [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► three bay and and there are some empty [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► there's for sure but i think god it was [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► like here's my gonna pull these that [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► rhetorical trick for us a long time [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► Packers fans who grew up with the team [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► just being just brutal and awful and I [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► get you I started the 80 so that those [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► they've been brutal for like 20 years [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► before the internet works for other [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► folks that might put my dad but I mean [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► is this the way he's utterly and [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► completely transform that franchise i [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► mean it's it's right over the last week [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► we tackle this today like over the last [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► like 25 years whatever like I believe [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► it's the packers and patriots and [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► steelers are our 123 as far as like both [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► record number of lap appearances all [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► those sorts of things and and really the [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► guy that made that all happen I mean [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► what will trade for my stuff is great [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► see em but far was the guy who just [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► transformed their franchise and what it [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► meant [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► for people who aren't sports fans the [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► packers are an interesting story because [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► they are unique in America among all [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► professional sports teams basketball [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► hockey football baseball all four major [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► sports the packers are unique in that [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► they are I they're owned by their fans [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► more or less [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► I mean can you I i am an owner the kid [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► can you explain the the difference i [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► mean every other team as like one rich [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► guy who is the owner of the team and is [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► a jerk and probably get a trump [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► supporter and also puts the packers are [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► so different sort of the packers can be [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► giving you can [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► well i got home around so that but that [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► this was God with northern Wisconsin [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► which is a we had that not not not the [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► left wing liberal country without you [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► explain the ownership structure of the [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► packers so the Packers were owned by a [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► donor at lat somewhat but sometimes way [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► back when I want to say back in like the [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► stone the arm two twenties or something [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► like that way backwards order one of the [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► original football teams are they were [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► going to go out of business or something [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► like that but but they they established [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► the the Articles of Incorporation for [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► the Green Bay football corporation and [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► it was sold to basically people in the [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► community they could buy a piece and [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► then it was a Briton into the bylaws [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► that if it was ever sold that all the [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► money would go to the local post of the [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► American Legion that's not the case [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► today so the victim has ever sold all [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► the proceeds go to the local American [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► Legion so there probably were at least i [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► would get like at least like one or two [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► billion dollars [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► oh if you have for sure I just like to [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► do you like we we always talk about like [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► the americas team right right [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► there's there's there's basically five [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► big teams NFL that have national [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► following like their water their wines [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► and vegas get set differently because [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► they attract so much heading from fans [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► right and that's your cowboys the [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► factors the Raiders the Steelers and the [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► Patriots are the kind of news today we [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► had a patient that Patriots have sort of [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► snuck in [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► just by virtue of [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► 15 years of non-stop winning right right [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► and the Packers the Packers were pretty [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► dominant in the early part of the NFL [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► and so like when they won the first two [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► Super Bowls out kind of tail end of [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► their of a multi-decade run of dominance [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► and then the seventies I see the [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► Steelers in the in the cowboys I and and [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► the Raiders came along and then the [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► Cobblers we had a return return to to [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► glory but arm but yeah so it is that [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► what happens in a few years ago when [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► they want to expand lambeau field to [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► raise money they did another share [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► issuance so they sold another tour [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► 50,000 shares at at two and fifty [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► dollars apiece and just raise a ton of [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► money for the stadium and all these [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► years are totally worthless like that [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► you can't sell them i could sell them on [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► the side but you can't convert them for [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► money or anything but yeah I have once I [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► i have it is it's sitting in a box right [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► now add haven't actually put it up here [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► in Taiwan but I am I i am a proud owner [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► of the green bay packers it is sort of [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► silly but it is to me it's the way most [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► teams should be on like even though it's [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► the opposite and the Packers are in fact [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► this odd exception in it really is the [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► way most teams should be on they should [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► be owned by the local fans because it [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► would take off the table the extortion [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► that these owners put their fans through [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► every time they need new stadiums built [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► you know it's there there's an honesty [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► to it where it's like look the only [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► reason to buy shares and the Packers if [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► you're a Packers fan right and the [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► Packers aren't going anywhere like [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► nobody is ever as like the packers are [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► never saying like give us you know a 500 [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► million dollar expansion of lambeau [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► field or were moving to Los Angeles like [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► that's never even on the table right [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► there not going anywhere right and every [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► other team or a half the team's you know [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► I mean like maybe you know Dallas isn't [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► going anywhere but look at the raiders [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► the raiders that have moved they moved [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► to Los Angeles they went back to oakland [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► now a actually isn't a done deal are [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► they going to vegas i think it's all but [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► done deal everything has been announced [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► yet we're going to move to Las Vegas [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► because you know that the add what's [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► called a ok stadium and coliseum in [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► oakland [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► it really is it a shithole and they [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► finish it so now they're moving to Vegas [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► a it is the Eagles have gone through [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► this in Philadelphia like it there there [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► are no better fans or more loyal fans or [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► die hard maybe this diehard is maybe the [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► way to go then [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► philadelphia eagles fans i'm not an [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► eagle fan but I live I was surrounded by [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► them their great fans years ago before [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► they built the the lincoln financial [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► field that they have now that they're [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► there were threats that they were going [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► to move the Eagles to Los Angeles [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► I mean it would have ripped the city [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► apart it's not right but it's a [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► privately-held you know team [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► yeah everything really working the NFL [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► because so much of the NFL is so [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► aggressive in its revenue sharing and [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► the TV deals are so massive that no [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► green bay can compete on an even playing [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► field even though they they make much [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► less money locally although that was [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► part of the refurbishment that they did [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► of lambeau field when i was able to buy [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► it buy my share my single share was [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► basically making sort of a year-round [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► destination in my people like poker [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► Mitch's it's up there but relatives like [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► no did you no Jerry's like Jerry don't [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► know whatever they don't make as much [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► locally but because the vast majority of [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► the money to help you get is from the TV [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► deal and from an alternate cell that we [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► shared by and large I think the [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► foreclosure boxes they are ya that they [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► can they can do it pulled off and then [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► obviously you know if they're the team [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► for Wisconsin so I is I mean their their [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► television market is effectively [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► Wisconsin and so they they certainly [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► basically do well is super unique they [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► had to be grandfathered into like the [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► NFL's like governments like documents [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► because it does state that no team can [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► have more than like X number of owners [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► into the group of hackers have 360 boxes [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► of something so right it's sort of like [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► they want to avoid the situation where [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► like 10 people you know like the man you [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► and [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► Marco and guy English join in and buy an [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► NFL team and we fight with each other [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► and can't make decisions they want to [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► avoid that and so that's why they have [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► these these rules that you know they [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► what they want our guys like Jerry Jones [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► who just can make decisions on their own [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► just just to simplify things and actors [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► have like 1,000,000,000 owner so yes [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► I've amber everyone copies Wikipedia [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► page right now [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► yes even those referred to as common [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► stock share package stock does not share [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► the same rights that does not have [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► equity interest is not big but cannot be [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► traded have no security protection and [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► bring those season-ticket particularly [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► it doesn't need to get your feet built [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► it was out with a background like a 50 [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► year waiting list or something which is [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► insane because i actually have very [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► little desire to go to like came in [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► January agree but i can tell you that if [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► it's like a college team in so far as [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► like nobody lives there i mean i'm [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► looking at the wikipedia page for the [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► green paint metropolitan area and that [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► this this is hundred eighty thousand [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► people it's it's not even it's not even [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► a real city [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► yeah yeah no it's still people it will [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► so that was a different times they had [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► six games a year in green bay two games [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► here in milwaukee right when that county [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► stadium where the bruises to play and [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► and they do that when like when the team [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► was having was within a rough time and [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► kind of like you'll build a fan base [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► whatever but now all the games are [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► lambeau field and and you have like [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► these grand caravan that go up from the [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► solid Milwaukee's season ticket holders [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► got to keep their seats so they have [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► seats for two games a year and then the [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► green bay ticket holders have seats for [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► the other six teams of years and like [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► that it's all complicated thing but this [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► is the net of it is like I'm in [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► Wisconsin is is I mean factors country i [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► mean more than more than anything else I [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► mean it is it is you cannot go you know [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► football you can't go five feet without [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► incurring some sort of you know packers [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► paraphernalia somehow they're taken [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► seriously yet their fans are called [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► cheesehead [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► oh it's ridiculous is this visit see [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► that thing is something that almost as [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► much as to come to grips with eventually [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► Apple Apple Apple maps says it's a [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► two-hour drive from the [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► rocky the green bay that sound right to [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► ya in and i think the the other in yep [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► it's beautiful drive but I think I'd I'm [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► stating days probably Laura game despite [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► a lot longer if it is if the whole care [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► about moving up [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► yeah all right yeah all the other using [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► this morning to me is that you need to [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► get back and do into basketball i doing [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► because you're Philadelphia 76er 'he's [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► are shaping up to be the the seventy [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► sixers interlocking blocks rivalry over [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► the next 10 years and that is going to [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► be a dog serious about raising I know [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► we've got a what's-his-name indeed it [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► he's super exciting [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► I you know I saw him at a restaurant [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► here in Philadelphia couple couple [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► actually got two weeks ago my dad months [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► ago he was we went out to dinner at a [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► nice little steak house here and and he [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► was there and he was very tall me [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► yeah he draws a lot of the medicine [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► yeah I am NOT I I i have been around a [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► college basketball players I'm you know [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► I'm I'm not always a you know better on [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► Craig Hockenberry I know what it's like [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► to not even be close to being the [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► tallest person in the room i'm generally [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► close it and you're pretty tall guy i am [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► pretty tall [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► I'm six foot two and that's pretty tall [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► and it's usually maybe if not the [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► tallest you're up there [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► I'm not used to being around somebody [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► who would have to stoop to put his chin [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► on top of my ass and that's right it is [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► very very large but the other exciting [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► thing about the pictures is Ben Simmons [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► is his foot is is healing quite nicely [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► they say yeah who don't will be back [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► soon [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► so what the yet I don't know about all [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► the I mean the bucs star player is a [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► goddess on the comp oh haha again say it [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► again be honest after the coup bolt [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► which is in nigeria mean that was [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► translated into Greek analysis in the [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► USA level everybody calls me honestly [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► book fans they should buy in his name [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► just get rid of that last name and just [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► change them you know like Madonna just [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► like a honest that's [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► everybody love you MV twitter but but he [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► was in taiwan actually couple years ago [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► and I got the chance to meet him when he [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► was here and I I thought my instagram [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► for the eighty six weeks ago but yeah I [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► am I come up to below his shoulder [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► Kentucky is everything you just seasick [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► celebrities just like ridiculous [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► ridiculous [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► so the Sixers the Sixers are a good case [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► study to me of a one of my fundamental [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► theories of sports which makes no sense [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► but i believe it firmly which is that [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► you don't screw with your uniforms you [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► pick a uniform that is going to last for [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► the ages and then you you tweak it as [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► mine early as possible through the [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► decades [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► that's number one reason why my favorite [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► team in the world is the Yankees Yankees [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► they don't screw with the uniforms [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► papers uniform was like the same as the [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► uniform they wear today except it was [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► like made a belt or something some [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► different materials and the polyester [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► that they can do today [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► you know the Yankees tried cotton in the [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► george costanza era didn't work out but [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► in terms of the way the uniform looks [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► they don't mess with it the Dallas [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► Cowboys don't mess with the uniforms [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► when they have a they have leased to [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► have like a special like sunday night [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► uniform with stars on the shoulders and [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► they lost every game they played with [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► those uniforms the Green Bay terrible [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► there they look terrible there is just a [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► stupid excuse to sell a third jersey to [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► people who wanted to have every jersey [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► one of the things that's great about the [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► green bay packers green bay packers look [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► like the green bay packers you look at [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► like super bowl one and UC bart starr [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► leading the team to the first super bowl [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► 51 years ago they look like the team [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► that's playing today because they don't [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► screw with the uniform this Philadelphia [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► 76er 'he's had a great uniform what I [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► mean it's a great name [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► I mean who knows what sense it makes but [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► I mean Philadelphia's where the country [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► started to call the 76 years so they got [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► to go patriotic you got to be red white [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► and blue write it but somehow during the [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► allen iverson era they changed to a [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► black gold on Lego how to start this [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► weird story right how can a team in [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► Philadelphia that's named [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► after the the american revolution in [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► there or independence whatever you want [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► to call it in 76 not be red white and [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► blue and yet they did and then they had [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► you know terrible role of course they [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► had terrible records how can you win [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► when you're going against the sports [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► gods by screwing with your uniform now [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► the Sixers have gone back to it's not [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► quite the classic I I kind of don't like [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► the way they spell out fixtures on the [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► uniform I I feel like they have to go [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► back to the pure dr. J era uniform but [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► it's close enough [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► yea though I mean the boxer definitely [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► fit with that mean they're so first off [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► their classic uniform and their classic [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► logo are both amazing arm [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► this is the classic logo is just like [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► cartoony but kissing a basketball i love [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► it's sort of like they sort of like not [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► very green with Iran sort of like [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► bowling friday right and they had great [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► uniforms back in the eighties and that's [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► when the team was good that was entitled [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► settings with with uh then they'll send [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► or later crianza bar and then they were [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► going the eighties you always watched [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► your sony pictures in the celtics but [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► very strong team then I tell you three [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► they have this awful logo that's like [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► purple and this terrible if it was just [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► awful universal bad and they've been [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► pretty much care about or simply like [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► one good year since 10 and then in 2015 [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► they did a redesign which is not the old [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► logo but it's the uniforms especially [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► our are definitely a go back to the [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► original so there's kind of this [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► paneling on the side that have really [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► really good and sure enough the team's [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► fortunes that have are looking up but [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► but there's this hilarious to you gotta [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► put the show notes that we did you ever [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► read those who appreciate it reads [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► America's slow but very real decline [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► into a fascist state as told by the [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► walkie park slope at this just go look [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► at the following link you have to see [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► the tweets appreciate it but I promise [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► you you'll laugh your rear end up [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► because it's it's it's really funny [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► I i will put it in the show notes all [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► right before we get off sports let me [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► give you this I'm going to talk this out [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► there here we go here's a here's here's [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► a contentious argument top quarterbacks [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► of all time [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► mmm that is a condensed you sent me a [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► link you sent me a link last night to a [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► video that you sent it right of the [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► weather you you know i don't think so it [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► wasn't you just sent me the link to the [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► cab with john elway and oh yeah i did i [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► did that yeah that was that was great so [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► that somebody was in a cab in pittsburgh [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► and talking to their cab driver about [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► who the greatest quarterback of all time [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► warner and his even know this guy with [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► the cab driver in Pittsburgh is number [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► one pick was john elway and it just so [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► happened that among the people in the [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► cab wanna one of them was john elway and [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► they let it go on for two or three [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► minutes before they they let this cab [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► driver the liver was filming in the [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► middle was pretty be surviving all right [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► like i do you think he's attractive [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► yeah I want to sleep with the fact that [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► she's AI bet you sleep with them it's [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► like his wife asked right next to the [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► right all right top quarterbacks of all [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► all right let me ask you this I'll just [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► give you a simple question who's better [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► farm or aaron rodgers the hole ah I [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► think from a a pure between the lines [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► perspective uh Rogers is probably better [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► just like farms reckless made him great [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► but it it went like it cost us a lot of [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► games you're blinded by your fandom the [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► answer is clearly aaron rodgers no lo [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► que well but yet that's fair guys but [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► from a meaningful a legendary status and [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► meaningful to the franchise I have to go [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► with that's what far nobody's the wind [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► that will pour souper bowl to surpass [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► them right now they're both at one we [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► have seen as a matter of opinion it [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► doesn't matter the FBI Rogers can never [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► win another super bowl and it doesn't [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► matter and Rogers is better quarterback [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► them that far [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► yeah they're fair enough but if you did [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► like the totality of the contribution to [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► the green bay packers it's it's more [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► complicated but yeah I out of your that [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► you're right i am blind blinded by my [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► being a compressional teenage boy and [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► brett farr basically like saving my [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► sports lice [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► did you see my link the other day to [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► triumph the insult comic dog at [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► the daughter I thought idea i decided i [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► haven't watched it though [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► well at the end when he first has to [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► utter the words president and then [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► followed by the word Trump every time he [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► tries to say it he starts vomiting [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► that's how I feel with me saying that [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► among the top five of all time at this [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► point you've absolutely positively got [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► include a Tom Brady their gold LOL get [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► out [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► it hurts to say things are going to add [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► it out here i am i'm puking right now uh [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► there goes where it hurts [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► there goes there goes my breakfast but [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► it's undeniable at this point [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► yeah i mean the record speaks i mean the [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► record speaks for itself obviously I [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► mean seven Super Bowl arm it's always [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► tricky to like separate the two greatest [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► quarterbacks in the greatest coaches [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► like I'm where with how does that [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► relationship actually play out because [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► so many of them were in the same [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► conversation right right what if what if [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► Rodgers had been the quarterback of the [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► Patriots for the last 15 years [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► like what his with with it may be better [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► or worse or the same like it is almost [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► impossible mean Mike McCarthy is an ok [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► coach I think he's you get supply more [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► grief than he deserves but at the same [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► time like he's not even in the same [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► universe is Bill Belichick and I and you [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► know what difference does that make or [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► someone like Joe Montana and like you [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► know the losses so far ahead of everyone [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► when it comes to his scheme and things [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► like that and you any Jerry Rice I mean [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► like to use a great quarterback with [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► that's especially funny football stuff [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► because it's where do you where you sort [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► of figure out where the boundary is [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► Roger Starbuck and Tom Landry I mean Tom [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► Landry literally invented the shotgun [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► formation like that was something that [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► was like what it is that you watch it [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► now there are some teams that never even [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► don't did they even use the shotgun on [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► running plays now and to think that it [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► was like a loophole in the rule [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► ok let me out where it's going to be [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► like read the rulebook and he was like [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► you know there's nothing that says you [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► have to like hand the ball from the [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► center to the quarterback we could just [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► like toss it back five yard since it'll [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► basically all football is like [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► discovering and exploiting loopholes [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► like the forecast is basically a [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► loophole right and sort of yeah i think [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► in the long term map [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► dan marino don shula right it'sit's all [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► the quarterbacks that you mentioned is [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► almost out everyone who I think you [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► would mention in the if you're going to [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► put together a top five list have a [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► coach who is arguably in the top five [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► that's why don't know that that's why [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► John Elway might be the best though like [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► that because i want to run the right [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► right that always the one who you're [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► like who the hell is coach right it was [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► like trees or grave [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► oh I don't even know when to you went to [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► Atlanta later but I finally won with my [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► Santa hat at the end of his career right [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► yeah I because it to my life that I'd [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► almost tempted to pick him for that [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► reason alone because like there's really [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► no one else you can describe his [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► greatness to all right all right let's [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► take another break and thank our next [TS]

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00:36:09 ◼   ► internet and how are they on the [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► internet there on the internet through [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► Wi-Fi outside the smartphone it's [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► probably the technology we depend on [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► most it it's a core utility of the 21st [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► century home but despite its importance [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► Wi-Fi is broken [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► imagine if your electricity in your [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► house didn't reach certain parts or like [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► it was intermittent like you got really [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► good electricity in your living room but [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► in your master bedroom [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► it's like some days it's okay sometimes [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► you know you don't get electricity what [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► you'd call electrician right away be [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► like my house is broken right but that's [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► what Wi-Fi is like for a lot of us [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► because we have one Wi-Fi router and it [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► read some places doesn't each other's [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► wife 0 was designed to change all this [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► the company manufactures right now a [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► single device it is a small elegant box [TS]

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00:37:04 ◼   ► of apple TV like round corners and it's [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► nice and white and it's kind of it's [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► really a nice little beautiful little [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► box there [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► simple very small and the idea is you [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► get a couple of them their default pack [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► comes with three you can get for you get [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► five to get however many you need [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► but the idea is just put them around [TS]

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00:37:31 ◼   ► house with distributed Wi-Fi and you [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► don't have to sit there and and be like [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► a network manager and configure this you [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► don't sit there and pick channels and [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► frequencies and and stuff like that all [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► you have to do is just with common-sense [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► put them in the rooms where you're [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► actually going to use them and where [TS]

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00:38:00 ◼   ► modem that's all you have to do they [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► have a great app to manage the whole [TS]

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00:38:08 ◼   ► couldn't be easier it's got a great [TS]

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00:38:23 ◼   ► being who you know a lot of people you [TS]

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00:38:29 ◼   ► I'll just work if you do encounter a [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► problem if there's something weird about [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► your setup for something weird about [TS]

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00:38:37 ◼   ► within 30 seconds you can get a real [TS]

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00:38:43 ◼   ► product i've got him set up here my [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► Wi-Fi has never been better in the house [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► then when I have zero it's currently [TS]

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00:39:27 ◼   ► house you'll have a better wife I'm so [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► my thanks to them it's a great product [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► i'm using them right now you're hearing [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► me talk to bend over hero Wi-Fi routers [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► couldn't work better [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► ah what else is on the agenda been what [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► I mean zero is I guess the the go-to [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► recommendation now because apple doesn't [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► make routers in your well they [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► definitely don't tell them that they [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► don't think that arguably seemingly [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► don't make new ones and then according [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► to a scoop garmin they've cancelled [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► making new ones so who knows [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► scoop government that's good Susan call [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► that's not who knows what the hell's [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► going on with them with that I don't [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► know so I I'm I didn't want to talk to [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► you about this because i didn't I [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► haven't really found I kind of mentioned [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► in passing in a dead up here to buy most [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► of the occasion like right about it [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► doesn't just like it I don't like my [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► whole thing they're all products are [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► like business models and stuff like that [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► but i find the a lot of the Mac thanks [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► to be both understandable i think i get [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► worse coming from and also to be a way [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► over on over the top and not not [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► necessarily connected to reality the mac [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► angst meaning in a nutshell Apple [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► clearly doesn't care about the mac [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► anymore they want everybody to just use [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► the iPads and iPhones and they're doing [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► everything they can to undermine the mac [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► and a within a year and you got in five [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► years we'll be gone [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► yeah because I yeah well i think the is [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► obvious all crescendoed with the release [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► of the macbook pro which are much to my [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► great sadness and consternation did not [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► come with a apple-branded monitor which [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► I was looking forward to buying very [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► much and and so is it obviously there [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► was the people put the memory that way [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► to our house battery life often it was [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► the port situation all that but i think [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► that was just-- that just happened to be [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► the proverbial straw that broke the [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► camel's back [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► because what was so weird about the [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► macbook troll being the trigger for all [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► this angst is that the macbook pro is [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► the single best piece of evidence that [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► Apple is still investing in the map [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► I mean say what you will or the touch [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► bar and whether it's going to actually [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► be something that makes using a mac [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► better or not they'll remain to be seen [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► over the long run but it clearly [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► required a tremendous amount of [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► investment and effort which preserving [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► apple is a rationally run company and by [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► all accounts the complaints are apps [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► that apple is being to rationally run [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► they would not make that investment [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► there just behind the dam platform so so [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► it is it i get we can get into why the [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► inks is there but it is really kind of [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► ironic that happened around this [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► particular product it is i I'm with you [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► I and I don't know how better to make my [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► case I got a as I wouldn't say a friend [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► but a source somebody i've known for [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► years [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► who's worked at Apple and I hear from [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► occasionally and like many people who [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► are longtime apple employees seems to [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► you know every 18 months or so moved [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► around within the company two different [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► teams at worked on a certain aspect of [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► touch bar support it was a software side [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► thing for a while and then right after [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► it shipped in like you know like maybe [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► like three days i had the entire like a [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► DM conversation with him and it was and [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► one of the things you said is i hope [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► this puts the rest of the notion that we [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► don't that apple doesn't care about the [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► mac because this is a good assistant guy [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► spent like 18 months working on I don't [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► get off owners but it is hardware and a [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► custom chip can display it had used [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► instead the software support was [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► incredible right I all their app that [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► built-in they had all these frameworks [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► developer third-party developers can use [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► it like it was a multi-faceted no effort [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► that involves every single for her to [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► the company so it's just that that [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► trigger that Apple to go out the back is [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► is again again I think there were [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► justifiable reasons for the eggs like it [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► was just bizarre that this was the [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► triggering event right you can buy it [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► and he like I will listen to you and [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► and maybe you know not my head in [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► agreement if you say I'm not happy with [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► the direction they're taking the Mac I [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► it if your argument is apple and Tim [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► Cook don't care about the mac period and [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► they're letting it with her because [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► they're done with it [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► i I can't see it I really can't it [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► doesn't make any sense and like somebody [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► else I i've had i've gotten more like [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► the the reaction that reaction to the [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► city's macbook pros really did drive a [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► lot of sources out of the woodwork that [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► Apple like I've heard just bits and [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► pieces from a bunch of people who are so [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► frustrated by the reaction and like a [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► one source who would be in a position to [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► know I mean not super high but you know [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► somebody who would know I it said that [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► they literally spent quote-unquote [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► hundreds of millions of the hearts [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► developing the new macbook pros and that [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► right way they they could have saved all [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► of that by just putting updated Intel [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► chips into the old macbook pro hardware [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► like eight which would be like if so [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► it's like we waited this long and then [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► new my macbook pros came out in november [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► october whatever it was and they were [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► just exactly like the old ones except [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► they had new Intel chips and maybe they [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► had the high gamut you know I color [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► gamut displays but otherwise you know [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► visually and is distinguishable from [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► them that would be further like a father [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► for the conspiracy theory that the mac [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► is on the way out right because they [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► didn't do these do the minimum viable [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► sort of right things but they literally [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► spent hundreds of millions of dollars [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► developing these they expect them to be [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► like the foundation of the product line [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► for years to come [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► and yet people see this as proof that [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► that they're they're trying to get [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► everybody to buy ipads rightly and it's [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► funny because like any even the macbook [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► pro like there was a relatively long [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► delay the last release of the macbook [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► pro was in may of 2015 which I and then [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► that was the 1530s was updated in March [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► 2015 so to wait a you know we year and a [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► half was a [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► relatively relatively long time but it [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► wasn't like an obscene amount of time [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► I and and before that it be to mid-2014 [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► wait 2013 early 2013red 2012 mid-2012 so [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► it's slow down a little bit but i mean [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► father things have been discussion is [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► about intelligent like that understand [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► what also developing the top part I [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► presumably introduced delays right to [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► say when you have to review that [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► essentially touch bar that unit try to [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► collect later snow again later [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► so yes the macbook pro has certainly [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► been it's been fine all along the imac [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► has been fine along although it wasn't [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► updated this year which i think you know [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► added to a little bit i mean clearly it [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► seems to mostly come back to know the [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► sort of macbook pro debacle and and [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► that's why your point about the hundreds [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► of millions of dollars invested in [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► macbook pro I think it's actually really [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► really interesting and telling point [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► because they're not going to necessarily [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► make up that money on this version of [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► the macbook pro right now presumably [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► they're going to be using the touch bar [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► in for several generations of the [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► macbook pro and hopefully on external [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► keyboards and things like that which [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► means they will pay it off over time [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► writing that's how like business works [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► you make these massive upfront [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► investments and then every you try some [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► more units you could spread out those [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► that investment over more and more units [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► right and I the reason why do I think [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► that's really telling is i think it [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► starts to get into what was wrong with [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► the macbook pro or so sorry Mac Pro but [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► but if that's more of a sort of a really [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► fascinating screw up that might have [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► happened as opposed to in it and an [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► abandonment of the entire platform gym [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► and and that you know but let's make it [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► clear i mean let's not rush it under the [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► carpet that the fact is that the mac pro [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► is a complete embarrassment to the [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► company is it's it's a debacle [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► it is absolutely ridiculous that they're [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► selling a 1100 or 1200 day at this point [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► old computer at the same price with no [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► updated components it's it it's clearly [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► a disaster [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► and it's not a great sign for the mac as [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► a platform but it I I don't think you [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► can extrapolate from it that the entire [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► platform is has lost the company's [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► attention right it's like this i said to [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► me this mac pro's thing is again I don't [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► write about products per se so I've been [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► really dug into it too much I did kind [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► of just a little bit of a favor for [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► Christmas but to me this mac pro thing [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► is one of the most interesting untold [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► stories about apple right now like [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► there's no like it's impossible to draw [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► any conclusion beyond that there was a [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► massive massive screw-up here and and I [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► in mice I i giv doing as he rides i have [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► my theory that's a podcaster form itself [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► so my face so the reason i mention that [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► been with the macbook pros and all the [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► investment vehicles into it is when [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► Apple Acosta to develop this new mac pro [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► the trashcan mac pro was certainly [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► substantial all your hundreds of dollars [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► i'm sure your baby you know maybe even [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► more who knows and Apple would have [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► counted on earning back that investment [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► over not just this 2013 model but [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► presumably 2014 miles 150 model etc for [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► probably like at least ten years like [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► thereby am having this design [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► yeah remind the better part of a decade [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► at the very least right so my best guess [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► is that this design is fundamentally [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► flawed in some way I think it's always [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► lot in general because i don't i think [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► it makes people buy stuff they don't [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► mean necessarily and after we didn't do [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► like this is but there's something from [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► a business perspective that's [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► fundamentally flawed about this model [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► maybe there's a super high failure rate [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► and they're having always return them [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► and exchange them like that which [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► totally destroys your margins that's [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► possible but the problem is if you [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► dropped hundreds of millions of dollars [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► into a design and it fails and you have [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► to you have to decide what are you going [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► to do now are you going to stick with it [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► well that's not an option [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► so are you going to redesign it but then [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► you're going to reinvest hundreds of [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► millions of dollars into a market that [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► is pretty tiny the macro market is not a [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► big market and and I think would have my [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► suspicions what happens is that this was [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► a flaw [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► design that Apple felt they could not [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► continue to make the problem was the mac [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► pro market wasn't they had to eat [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► hundreds of millions of dollars in [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► losses because they didn't build enough [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► because they abandoned the product and [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► it wasn't did just what they couldn't [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► make the case to invest another let's [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► say 500 million dollars to build a new [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► version and now they're trying to like [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► figure something out to get it and you [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► could say they should do it [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► we have our what they should do it they [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► should eat that cost because the halo [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► product all that sort of thing but I can [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► certainly sketch out a scenario where it [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► just makes zero financial sense for them [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► to go forward basically this part of [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► doom the entire line that that's why [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► that's my best guess about what happened [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► yeah i think it was you know something [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► along those lines has to be true right [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► it it has to be and I think that it in [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► ND you can extrapolate from there and [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► then a certain point Apple even as an [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► institution and even as in my opinion [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► are relatively straightforward a [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► realistic institution they still have a [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► us a human side and then there's pride [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► and ego involved and it logically if [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► they were purely logical you could just [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► say you know what it was terrible [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► mistake we're going right back to the [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► old cheese grater a big box here you go [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► here's a new mac pro with the old cheese [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► grater and updated you know [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► state-of-the-art intel chips and and [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► modern ports on the back and an 80 times [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► superdrive right and and there are tens [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► of thousands of people waiting for new [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► mac pro who would be like thank you and [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► they would be happy but apples not going [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► to do that you know like and honestly i [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► think it is at some of it comes down to [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► pry just not going to do it for pride [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► alone which you know it's frustrating if [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► you're the pro waiting for modern 2016 [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► or or honestly even 2015 level pro [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► hardware here in the beginning a 20-17 [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► but they're not going to do that like [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► they really you know and [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► and a figure defense painted themselves [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► into a corner with this [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► yeah absolutely and I think you wink to [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► arm a to a really really insightful [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► article about this and so making the [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► point that the the stat 2013 [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► introduction was like Apple that it was [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► also pride it was apple's you ever seen [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► the best of them and like people are [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► complaining we're on innovating well you [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► know screw them look at this and you [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► ended up with a design that was looked [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► amazing with beautiful but again whether [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► it was reliability or just the core [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► architecture whatever was with was [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► fundamentally flawed again were [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► speculating but was fundamentally flawed [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► in in some way that have they not set [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► out to prove the world to the world that [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► they could you know innovate my ass [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► might have come up with something a [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► little more practical that would have [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► you know pay itself off it as as [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► necessary to continue as a viable [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► product and I to I still firmly believe [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► I think they were wait you know it's a [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► case of being way too far ahead of their [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► time I still think that fundamentally it [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► is the future of pro computing and I [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► think that having a big box that you [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► plug things into like internal drives [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► and internal cards is the way things [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► were but it's not the way the future and [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► I think the way the future is a smaller [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► self-contained box that if you do it you [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► do need to expand it to protrude pro [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► reasons you're going to expand on the [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► outside through very high bandwidth [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► I mean whether us bc and Thunderbolt [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► three is is fast enough to be that or [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► not I don't know maybe it's the next [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► generation thing but at some point I [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► firmly believe that a pro hardware is [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► just a simple small box and then the [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► expansion will all be external and you [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► just in with one simple thing that you [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► plug in and there it goes you get enough [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► power to get enough bandwidth that you [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► don't need to open the box and put the [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► thing inside because it to me that the [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► it and you know I've gotten pushed back [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► on this on private channels and slack [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► that were on but I I [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► whether the world is there right now in [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► 2017 or not I don't know but I think I [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► still think that firmly where the future [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► is but this mac pro launched at 34 was [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► at 2013-2014 a long time ago long enough [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► money don't mean and it the world wasn't [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► there yet [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► you know for LOL expansion to be on the [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► outside I think it's the right design [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► for the long term but it wasn't the [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► right design for then and it certainly [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► isn't for now but it wasn't going to is [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► I feel like pearl hardware should be the [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► most conservative though in some [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► respects in the way it progresses i mean [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► there's in some aspects that can be [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► faster pros will pay for it they'll do [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► the upgrades things like that but like [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► especially when it comes to anything [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► performance related i think the the the [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► mac pro as vulnerable to which arm [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► general to make a morality lady ravens [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► pci-express but it has a not very many [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► lanes and so you know yeah I think [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► you're right to do is the idea wasn't [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► necessarily wrong the timing was wrong [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► and arm you know if they were to do [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► anything to is I think this forcing [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► people to buy two ahead ways at the time [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► high end video cards and today you have [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► to pay like diarrhea cards another super [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► obsolete right i think this had two big [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► problems one is that video card [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► technology is progressing much passion [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► and posture technology which means that [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► the mac pro got older faster right even [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► like the processes in the mac pro are [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► still totally relatively viable today [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► right there not that far behind [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► particular performance but the the GPUs [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► are way behind your computer that's [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► predicated gpus that's a big problem for [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► anything is you had people like doing [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► developers particular one to buy this [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► they don't need two gpus they don't need [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► a processing GPU per se or a high-g for [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► they just need a integrate GPB totally [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► fine for them and so if they were going [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► to do you're going to really make it [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► integrated I think they need to wait [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► until they could get to a point where [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► they could have a computer that [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► basically a processor and memory and [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► like a boot drive and then once [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► Thunderbolt 45 comes along it can [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► actually really saturate you know [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► high-end graphics cards or the bus then [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► you break those are those out to right [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► drop the cost per thousand bucks it [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► becomes more much more [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► you look cute makes a lot more sense [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► them so Mac Pro totally screwed [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► not necessarily and in my opinion [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► definitely not in my opinion not [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► indicative that the mac platform as a [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► whole is is screwed painted the corner [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► the other thing i like to point out and [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► get as much proof as the macbook pros [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► the new ones with the test part that [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► Apple hasn't lost interest [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► institutionally in the mac is the fact [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► that the OS is still on a yearly annual [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► upgrade schedule and they're pretty good [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► upgrades and we all like it to be slowly [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► right if anything I would rather have [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► them go to to a 2-year scheduled and [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► spend an entire years on just like [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► fixing bugs and and spit and polish you [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► know as opposed to adding new features [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► but it's it's on a much more vigorous [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► upgrade schedule and rigorous and [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► vigorous than it was in the early years [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► of the iphone when they literally had to [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► issue a press release saying we've we've [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► had to delay that upgrade the mac OS [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► because we've pulled engineers to finish [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► the iphone OS 4 8 [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► yeah it is with this way for a long time [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► yeah i think that india india the other [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► day too i mean yes they're like the the [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► Swift playground or whatever on on the [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► ipad by me like that I mean Apple Apple [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► like they're not stupid right [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► I mean it's we will stop by to tell the [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► absolute a little bit there's lots of [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► things to complain about Apple's [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► treatment of developers from a business [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► perspective my certainly have plenty of [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► opinions in that regard but from a [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► development perspective I mean apples [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► been you know has always been very [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► cognizant of what its developers need [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► and what not and to suggest that they're [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► going to abandon the platform that that [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► makes their their moneymakers possible [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► media is it's it's as it is describing [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► it just doesn't make sense like there is [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► there is a Occam's razor explanation [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► here which I think explains the mac pro [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► it explains why it's not updated [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► explains why there's probably not going [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► to the metro because you can I could [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► sketch on a spreadsheet right now I [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► probably make zero [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► in still another one and that sucks it [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► was a total screwup hopefully someone [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► will write to tell article sometimes [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► would be really fascinating to to get [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► the full story of one apple just really [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► did totally screw up our product but yet [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► to extrapolate from that they're just it [TS]

00:59:39 ◼   ► doesn't make sense [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► no I am totally pumped i am so irritated [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► about the no apple logo display though [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► yeah that is a and it's true because [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► it's not just a product for Mac Pro [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► users it i would guess that out over [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► users it i would guess that out over [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► the years apple has probably sold more [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► standalone displays to MacBook Pro users [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► than the Mac Pro users because i think [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► that wonderful display was pretty [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► explicitly marketed as a the box itself [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► has a thunderbolt display attached to a [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► laptop right like it's pretty clear what [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► it's for [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► ah yeah I I i would be shocked if [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► they've if there are more than that were [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► hooked up to mac pros than to MacBook [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► Pros and and that's saying that knowing [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► that most MacBook Pro users never use [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► any display other than the one that's [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► built into the laptop but even so i [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► think that that the number of a laptops [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► that are that are sold compared to [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► desktops is so a extraordinarily [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► lopsided and that most of those laptops [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► that are solar imax that have a built-in [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► display I think it's so lopsided that [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► it's clearly meant for that and so it is [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► disappointing and it does seem from [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► early going that people who bought this [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► LG LG 5k display some of them loved it [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► but there are people people are having [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► weird problems with it [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► yeah I had somebody I didn't link to it [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► and they'll say it's so anecdotal but [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► somebody wrote in tutoring firebombing [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► this is perfect podcast material sorry I [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► won't write about it but i'll talk about [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► it or somebody wrote in and they had [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► problems and the ad like weird [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► interference and they were taking it [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► into the store and then they couldn't [TS]

01:01:26 ◼   ► reproduce it at the genius bar and you [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► know just imagine what a pain any acid [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► is to bring a 27 inch display back and [TS]

01:01:33 ◼   ► forth to an apple store etc and it [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► turned out that moving he had his [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► airport router he had an apple airport [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► router honest desk and moving it away [TS]

01:01:44 ◼   ► from his desk fix the interference on [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► the fly LG 5k display that literally you [TS]

01:01:49 ◼   ► know and he said it's you know I need [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► you know I again at I'm not gonna write [TS]

01:01:53 ◼   ► about it because it's like one guy with [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► one case and i don't know but i've seen [TS]

01:01:56 ◼   ► other people with these interference you [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► know with with weird problems on this [TS]

01:02:00 ◼   ► and like what a weird problem but it's [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► like it's the sort of thing that a [TS]

01:02:03 ◼   ► normal person is never going to figure [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► out if if if it turns out that first [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► whatever reason having their airport [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► router too close to the [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► display causes it to have weird [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► interference [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► how is a normal person going to figure [TS]

01:02:15 ◼   ► that out and it's the sort of thing that [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► Apple the apples apple branded displays [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► or worth they're not just aesthetically [TS]

01:02:22 ◼   ► pleasing they really are just terrific [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► displays always have always were [TS]

01:02:26 ◼   ► I can't say are they are tanks have [TS]

01:02:28 ◼   ► heeded the i actually have my sitting on [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► my desk because not using one of those [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► balance because i couldn't get it weighs [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► like five times as much as normal [TS]

01:02:38 ◼   ► monitor of similar size so I'm guessing [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► that's probably why it handles that [TS]

01:02:42 ◼   ► she'll think better but uh oh yeah he's [TS]

01:02:45 ◼   ► one of the things I oh I could never [TS]

01:02:47 ◼   ► understand what you pay so much for [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► monitor until I had a job that part one [TS]

01:02:50 ◼   ► for me is like oh okay I get it now [TS]

01:02:53 ◼   ► I i will never not buy it either one of [TS]

01:02:55 ◼   ► these again and now my federal displays [TS]

01:02:57 ◼   ► failing and and i can't find other one [TS]

01:03:00 ◼   ► and I'm very said I had a 20-inch I [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► don't know what the name was but it was [TS]

01:03:06 ◼   ► I couldn't at the time i bought it i [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► couldn't get a bigger 1i think there was [TS]

01:03:09 ◼   ► it was like 20 and 23 and i bought the [TS]

01:03:12 ◼   ► 20-inch I mean it was probably like [TS]

01:03:14 ◼   ► 2,000 recycled plastic framing and like [TS]

01:03:16 ◼   ► the the two-way always had it was [TS]

01:03:18 ◼   ► aluminum and aluminum frame I i had it [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► and I had it I mean I went through like [TS]

01:03:24 ◼   ► three or four max while i was using [TS]

01:03:25 ◼   ► using it and you know it i'm sure it was [TS]

01:03:29 ◼   ► it more lesson like when i finally got [TS]

01:03:32 ◼   ► rid of it wasn't because it was broken [TS]

01:03:33 ◼   ► it was just like I think I you sit up [TS]

01:03:37 ◼   ► until i got this 20 ipad at my desk [TS]

01:03:40 ◼   ► until I got this 27-inch imac [TS]

01:03:41 ◼   ► two-and-a-half years ago it it just ran [TS]

01:03:44 ◼   ► and ran and ran it was unbelievable yet [TS]

01:03:47 ◼   ► my monitor works fine it's the the USB [TS]

01:03:51 ◼   ► all that stuff no longer works or works [TS]

01:03:55 ◼   ► very schedule ii and so that i can use [TS]

01:03:57 ◼   ► that for like the camera and also i had [TS]