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Roderick on the Line

01: “Keep Moving and Get Out of the Way”

 

00:00:00 ◼   ► hello how are you hello Merlin I'm late

00:00:10 ◼   ► again it's alright i'm usually late to

00:00:15 ◼   ► everything so this is my just deserts

00:00:18 ◼   ► are you you seem like a late person it's

00:00:22 ◼   ► not that I'm late it's that it's that I

00:00:25 ◼   ► don't get there on time okay and that's

00:00:29 ◼   ► because I don't leave the house with

00:00:31 ◼   ► enough time to get where I'm going and I

00:00:34 ◼   ► don't think that's the same as being

00:00:36 ◼   ► late

00:00:36 ◼   ► I think that's I think that is a that is

00:00:42 ◼   ► a big question that has more to do with

00:00:45 ◼   ► like how you perceive space and time so

00:00:48 ◼   ► it's it's more of a science problem

00:00:50 ◼   ► yes yeah i mean the thing i was in order

00:00:54 ◼   ► for you to be late you would have to

00:00:55 ◼   ► have some interest in other people i

00:00:57 ◼   ► think how what would that be like I

00:01:00 ◼   ► don't know honey this book probably

00:01:02 ◼   ► wikipedia it's been like if you were

00:01:04 ◼   ► late you would be kind of conscious of

00:01:06 ◼   ► the fact that there are other people

00:01:07 ◼   ► that had things you need to do and I

00:01:09 ◼   ► don't think you and I suffer from that I

00:01:11 ◼   ► think that the results a lot of people

00:01:12 ◼   ► back there constantly thinking like how

00:01:14 ◼   ► will this house affect other people

00:01:15 ◼   ► right who cares is my first time they

00:01:18 ◼   ► assume that they think that I wouldn't

00:01:20 ◼   ► know

00:01:21 ◼   ► yeah right well other people right there

00:01:24 ◼   ► the problem I'll clearly uh-huh yeah I

00:01:29 ◼   ► mean you know should be a breeze

00:01:31 ◼   ► you know for all the all those other

00:01:33 ◼   ► people well this is the thing I'll i

00:01:35 ◼   ► leave the house if I have somewhere to

00:01:38 ◼   ► go I leave the house in plenty of time

00:01:40 ◼   ► to get there if there weren't other

00:01:43 ◼   ► people clogging the roads necessitating

00:01:48 ◼   ► stoplights right if there were not other

00:01:51 ◼   ► people clogging the roads there would

00:01:53 ◼   ► not need to be stoplights so I'm talking

00:01:57 ◼   ► coming here your roads by roads i have a

00:02:01 ◼   ► sense of how long it takes for me to get

00:02:02 ◼   ► from hearsay to the University of

00:02:04 ◼   ► Washington and that takes nine minutes

00:02:09 ◼   ► but if there are other people on the

00:02:11 ◼   ► roads which there so often are then it

00:02:14 ◼   ► takes anywhere from 15 to 20 minutes

00:02:16 ◼   ► which is infuriating so i usually leave

00:02:20 ◼   ► here with nine minutes just despair

00:02:22 ◼   ► sometimes 10 if I if I feel like I wanna

00:02:25 ◼   ► take a stroll in my car and the building

00:02:29 ◼   ► uh-huh

00:02:30 ◼   ► it's never enough time people people

00:02:33 ◼   ► related delays I i struggle with it i

00:02:36 ◼   ► used to be eternally late person and I

00:02:40 ◼   ► spent many a years of my life with a bus

00:02:43 ◼   ► or a partner who was the top permanently

00:02:46 ◼   ► late like just crazy like you're

00:02:48 ◼   ► supposed to be there at dinner for six

00:02:50 ◼   ► people and you arrive like as deserves

00:02:51 ◼   ► being served like offensively late and I

00:02:54 ◼   ► became sensitive about it because I felt

00:02:56 ◼   ► badly and something it's her but that's

00:02:58 ◼   ► just that was like that was a you know /

00:03:01 ◼   ► flaw and I was a flaw that i shared and

00:03:05 ◼   ► together it was terrible

00:03:06 ◼   ► that's so a lot of relationships get

00:03:07 ◼   ► weird right you're both terrible at the

00:03:09 ◼   ► same thing and now I'm really sensitive

00:03:10 ◼   ► about it but i'm not i haven't gotten

00:03:13 ◼   ► that great at it i feel like i do what

00:03:15 ◼   ► you do i think is I in my head I got an

00:03:18 ◼   ► idea of the greatest conceivable time

00:03:21 ◼   ► I've ever made to do this yeah right you

00:03:25 ◼   ► must understand why you have done

00:03:27 ◼   ► yeah right like you're in your big blue

00:03:28 ◼   ► van you're driving around you gotta go

00:03:30 ◼   ► from place to place show to show you

00:03:31 ◼   ► must have some idea in your head

00:03:33 ◼   ► well it would never take more than five

00:03:35 ◼   ► hours to get to austin one time I made

00:03:37 ◼   ► it in two hours so therefore up I'd be

00:03:39 ◼   ► there about an hour-and-a-half yeah you

00:03:41 ◼   ► may not do that cuz you gotta do it for

00:03:43 ◼   ► your job but like I feel like I do that

00:03:44 ◼   ► all the time I think oh I've got time to

00:03:46 ◼   ► get a coffee or I've got time to go stop

00:03:49 ◼   ► by the office into this thing right

00:03:51 ◼   ► animal case why the time to sleep for 20

00:03:53 ◼   ► more minutes and take a stroll

00:03:55 ◼   ► i'm very curious about something you

00:03:58 ◼   ► said a moment ago which is that that to

00:04:03 ◼   ► people who have the two people with the

00:04:06 ◼   ► same that they do the same things badly

00:04:08 ◼   ► that's how relationships can we get

00:04:10 ◼   ► weird that that a that resonated with me

00:04:14 ◼   ► and ethical to experience

00:04:16 ◼   ► I'm not sure I I think I mean I hadn't

00:04:20 ◼   ► thought about it but I i would still

00:04:23 ◼   ► just this moment it's never occurred to

00:04:24 ◼   ► me that I did anything bad in any of my

00:04:26 ◼   ► relationships no I think that's a core

00:04:28 ◼   ► competency for yeah exactly i'm now I'm

00:04:31 ◼   ► wondering right wow I always thought it

00:04:34 ◼   ► was that she did everything bad now I'm

00:04:38 ◼   ► starting to consider the possibility

00:04:39 ◼   ► that maybe yeah when the colts not

00:04:42 ◼   ► making sailboats right they say look we

00:04:43 ◼   ► were the cook people we make the coke

00:04:45 ◼   ► let other people make the sailboats why

00:04:47 ◼   ► would you try to sell cool right yeah

00:04:49 ◼   ► yeah

00:04:49 ◼   ► oh just saying I think the cocaine

00:04:51 ◼   ► people do make sailboats

00:04:53 ◼   ► oh sure and like brats prop planes

00:04:56 ◼   ► yeah well or at least they say

00:04:58 ◼   ► reengineer sailboats second i should

00:05:00 ◼   ► think about this more but there's

00:05:02 ◼   ► probably something to it

00:05:03 ◼   ► I always felt like if you could well the

00:05:07 ◼   ► good things that would be terrible

00:05:09 ◼   ► different things is a good idea but I've

00:05:11 ◼   ► always believed that you should both be

00:05:15 ◼   ► able to mostly put up with the same

00:05:17 ◼   ► stuff I think that's helpful but the

00:05:19 ◼   ► problem is like for example if you're

00:05:20 ◼   ► both messy then there's never any

00:05:23 ◼   ► countervailing force to make the

00:05:26 ◼   ► housetop being messy it becomes

00:05:28 ◼   ► synergistically messy right but the

00:05:30 ◼   ► problem with that is if one person is

00:05:31 ◼   ► messy and one person's clean then you're

00:05:34 ◼   ► out war in a different way

00:05:37 ◼   ► I mean I I felt this about about

00:05:40 ◼   ► introversion and extraversion because as

00:05:45 ◼   ► I think you and I have talked about this

00:05:46 ◼   ► but i'm i'm a very introverted person

00:05:50 ◼   ► despite being a an entertainer and for

00:05:55 ◼   ► many years I thought the pan entertainer

00:05:57 ◼   ► did you snicker at entertainer I find

00:06:00 ◼   ► extremely entertaining but being

00:06:02 ◼   ► especially when you're off stage but now

00:06:04 ◼   ► it is very introverted part no no I'm i

00:06:07 ◼   ► think i am an introvert and and that the

00:06:10 ◼   ► definition i use the description i use

00:06:12 ◼   ► of that is that if you if you find a

00:06:17 ◼   ► room full of people no matter how much

00:06:19 ◼   ► you're enjoying the experience are

00:06:21 ◼   ► enjoying their company if you find a

00:06:23 ◼   ► room full of people ultimately draining

00:06:27 ◼   ► and you want to and you need to get away

00:06:30 ◼   ► and get a loan in order to recharge

00:06:34 ◼   ► okay then you're an introvert and

00:06:36 ◼   ► compared to somebody who finds a room

00:06:38 ◼   ► full of people invigorating and they

00:06:41 ◼   ► hate to be alone and they want to be in

00:06:44 ◼   ► other people's company and they find

00:06:46 ◼   ► that they find that's how they charge

00:06:49 ◼   ► their batteries

00:06:50 ◼   ► uh-huh that's my definition ok it takes

00:06:53 ◼   ► a little self-serving no I mean I i

00:06:55 ◼   ► would want to hear a little how you

00:06:57 ◼   ► contrast that with a like a psychotic

00:07:00 ◼   ► loner or sociopath mclonergan sexy i'd

00:07:05 ◼   ► say that that person was an introvert

00:07:06 ◼   ► also sure but in any case I transferred

00:07:09 ◼   ► it had tried for a long time to only

00:07:13 ◼   ► date other introverted people because i

00:07:16 ◼   ► was tired because i didn't like

00:07:18 ◼   ► extroverts making demands on my time and

00:07:23 ◼   ► space but i found that one year in a

00:07:26 ◼   ► relationship even with another

00:07:28 ◼   ► introverted the person who is most

00:07:30 ◼   ► introverted becomes the introvert in the

00:07:35 ◼   ► relationship and even another

00:07:37 ◼   ► introverted will exhibit extroverted

00:07:40 ◼   ► tendencies in relationship to the other

00:07:43 ◼   ► person right so that so this in this

00:07:46 ◼   ► person who would normally be like Oh

00:07:47 ◼   ► leave me alone I kind of just want to be

00:07:49 ◼   ► by myself is suddenly in the posture of

00:07:52 ◼   ► like why don't you ever want to do

00:07:55 ◼   ► anything or why don't you ever want to

00:07:57 ◼   ► just hang out and why don't we ever move

00:08:00 ◼   ► it seems got on a molecular level it

00:08:03 ◼   ► seems like there should be some kind of

00:08:04 ◼   ► cancelling out going on with you got a

00:08:06 ◼   ► very messy person who is with a very

00:08:08 ◼   ► clean person I think I i think the

00:08:11 ◼   ► molecular science would say that

00:08:13 ◼   ► therefore you would have an average

00:08:14 ◼   ► clean house

00:08:15 ◼   ► yeah place of it i think they practice

00:08:18 ◼   ► that's not the case

00:08:19 ◼   ► yeah relationship and human beings

00:08:21 ◼   ► consistently fail to be some scientific

00:08:26 ◼   ► you know like it and that's the problem

00:08:30 ◼   ► with psychology psychology keeps for 450

00:08:36 ◼   ► years as presented itself as a science

00:08:38 ◼   ► and there's really no there's no

00:08:42 ◼   ► demonstrable proof that any of it is is

00:08:45 ◼   ► working it's just it's just a lot of

00:08:48 ◼   ► just a lot of jabber jaws you think it's

00:08:51 ◼   ► a lot easier to get some and make a

00:08:53 ◼   ► make-believe science

00:08:54 ◼   ► no I don't know if it's a science as

00:08:57 ◼   ► much as it is like well so where's the

00:08:59 ◼   ► line between a psychologist and a

00:09:00 ◼   ► minister

00:09:02 ◼   ► hmm alrighty that's the ash had a

00:09:05 ◼   ► secretary

00:09:06 ◼   ► yeah that's the psychologist is is is

00:09:09 ◼   ► using the same techniques of talking and

00:09:11 ◼   ► listening to her but there but they're

00:09:14 ◼   ► undergirding it with some sense that

00:09:16 ◼   ► they have a scientific tool box there

00:09:21 ◼   ► listening but they're listening with a

00:09:24 ◼   ► scientific tool box rather than

00:09:25 ◼   ► listening with compassion or something

00:09:28 ◼   ► and I said what you mean are you saying

00:09:30 ◼   ► you're saying that there but you're

00:09:32 ◼   ► talking about like a clinical soar like

00:09:33 ◼   ► a practicing psychologist as opposed to

00:09:35 ◼   ► like a scholarly psychologist you're

00:09:38 ◼   ► saying how is that different from a

00:09:38 ◼   ► minister and minister is somebody who

00:09:40 ◼   ► comes in and is a as a student of the

00:09:43 ◼   ► mind and the heart to try and give

00:09:45 ◼   ► people comfort and so you're talking

00:09:47 ◼   ► psychologists more like in terms of like

00:09:49 ◼   ► a therapist like somebody who would help

00:09:51 ◼   ► you feel better

00:09:52 ◼   ► well but what is what is what is a like

00:09:56 ◼   ► an academic psychologist if not a just

00:09:58 ◼   ► someone teaching practical psychologists

00:10:01 ◼   ► i guess i don't know I'm hmm it seems it

00:10:05 ◼   ► seems to me that that there for for many

00:10:07 ◼   ► many years the the whole premise of the

00:10:11 ◼   ► mental health industry was based on a

00:10:13 ◼   ► reading of Freud and people spent

00:10:18 ◼   ► decades saying that a lot of the lot of

00:10:21 ◼   ► women's insecurity was based on the fact

00:10:23 ◼   ► that they had penis and B and then one

00:10:27 ◼   ► day we decided that that was not true

00:10:30 ◼   ► uh-huh in fact it was silly but we

00:10:34 ◼   ► didn't we didn't throw the the Freud out

00:10:37 ◼   ► with the bathwater now and now we think

00:10:41 ◼   ► that you know everybody has you know

00:10:45 ◼   ► that people's Institute

00:10:45 ◼   ► 30 is based on I don't know what my god

00:10:48 ◼   ► they're the book stores are full of the

00:10:50 ◼   ► most of their shelves of books talking

00:10:53 ◼   ► about your insecurities and the root

00:10:55 ◼   ► causes of it was funny those if you go

00:10:58 ◼   ► back you look at Aristotle or Descartes

00:11:00 ◼   ► her are a lot of those heavy hitters

00:11:02 ◼   ► back in the day people who laid the

00:11:03 ◼   ► groundwork for obviously philosophy but

00:11:05 ◼   ► really also for science I mean it's not

00:11:07 ◼   ► what we would call science today but but

00:11:09 ◼   ► back then philosophy was was I think

00:11:11 ◼   ► seen as part of science it was a way of

00:11:12 ◼   ► understanding you know how the mind

00:11:15 ◼   ► works how the universe worked and it

00:11:17 ◼   ► seems like a lot of it was based on

00:11:18 ◼   ► these physicalities things like

00:11:20 ◼   ► eventually come to me things like humors

00:11:22 ◼   ► and stuff like that but there were all

00:11:23 ◼   ► these like Theodoric of York kind of

00:11:26 ◼   ► ways to explain based on the physical

00:11:28 ◼   ► things like what why the mental things

00:11:31 ◼   ► happen and the funny thing with the

00:11:32 ◼   ► fried stuff is it seemed to more and

00:11:34 ◼   ► more yeah you could say well this

00:11:35 ◼   ► woman's the reason this woman is

00:11:37 ◼   ► hysterical from the Greek is because she

00:11:40 ◼   ► has a uterus so clearly she's crazy if i

00:11:43 ◼   ► had a universe i would be hysterical to

00:11:44 ◼   ► sure and she wants a wenis on top of it

00:11:47 ◼   ► that's awkward you know but it's funny

00:11:49 ◼   ► because now we're back around to the to

00:11:50 ◼   ► the to the body stuff where it is it is

00:11:53 ◼   ► very much it seems to be much more about

00:11:55 ◼   ► pipes and wires

00:11:56 ◼   ► yeah it's just a black bile is rising up

00:11:58 ◼   ► dinner right

00:12:00 ◼   ► what about you call now I get confused

00:12:02 ◼   ► because because i think i've read too

00:12:04 ◼   ► many reviews of REM albums early mm

00:12:07 ◼   ► there's some words rhyme not shifting

00:12:09 ◼   ► bodily humors are ways of describing a

00:12:11 ◼   ► meadow

00:12:11 ◼   ► so you not know that the quick pop quiz

00:12:13 ◼   ► bee call it was because be colic one of

00:12:15 ◼   ► the memories no bucolic is like a

00:12:17 ◼   ► pastoral setting up my second line as

00:12:21 ◼   ► your pastoral is not humor no okay no

00:12:24 ◼   ► problem attic automatic is yes that's

00:12:27 ◼   ► the phlegm

00:12:28 ◼   ► what about birds ask birds ask yelling

00:12:32 ◼   ► like that style of the birds

00:12:33 ◼   ► no I think that's in the same family as

00:12:35 ◼   ► bucolic ok it's birds ask

00:12:39 ◼   ► you know that's the thing is I I

00:12:43 ◼   ► understand what everybody wants to

00:12:45 ◼   ► explain everything I think you could

00:12:46 ◼   ► argue that you and I i would also like

00:12:49 ◼   ► to try and explain everything but you

00:12:52 ◼   ► know what it is with science its to tell

00:12:54 ◼   ► the certainty I'm troubled by the

00:12:56 ◼   ► certainty like to me good science should

00:12:58 ◼   ► always be going but you know I could be

00:13:00 ◼   ► wrong

00:13:00 ◼   ► yeah I am see I'm guilty of that I'm

00:13:02 ◼   ► guilty of using psychology to explain

00:13:05 ◼   ► myself and other people with a with a

00:13:09 ◼   ► with a fair degree of certainty and I

00:13:11 ◼   ► think I think I keep in the back of my

00:13:13 ◼   ► mind the the constant idea that i'm i'm

00:13:18 ◼   ► just guessing but I don't always let the

00:13:22 ◼   ► other person o.o i think i think that

00:13:25 ◼   ► what I'm saying is just a theory

00:13:28 ◼   ► I say it as though i really believe that

00:13:30 ◼   ► it's true

00:13:31 ◼   ► what's the point that's good writing

00:13:33 ◼   ► good writing exactly

00:13:34 ◼   ► good good writing is you know is I'm

00:13:37 ◼   ► habit the viewpoint that's correct

00:13:39 ◼   ► that's correct

00:13:41 ◼   ► mmm yeah yeah but I'm sitting across

00:13:44 ◼   ► from somebody saying you know your

00:13:45 ◼   ► fucking problem is yes it's a little bit

00:13:48 ◼   ► harder for them to see that i'm just

00:13:50 ◼   ► playing a character and in this case

00:13:52 ◼   ► it's the character of somebody who knows

00:13:54 ◼   ► what they're fucking problem is that's a

00:13:56 ◼   ► good point it is it's it's def a good

00:14:00 ◼   ► point sense of that is a really big

00:14:01 ◼   ► problem with you

00:14:02 ◼   ► uh-huh yeah but I think it's a problem

00:14:05 ◼   ► with the with the world i mean like i

00:14:07 ◼   ► say i'm not necessarily that's the

00:14:09 ◼   ► second one just for curious what's your

00:14:11 ◼   ► problem with you

00:14:12 ◼   ► yeah but no one is a problem i really

00:14:18 ◼   ► mean opportunities to ya opportunities

00:14:20 ◼   ► take exciting interrupting John how's

00:14:23 ◼   ► that how is that a problem with the rest

00:14:25 ◼   ► of the world haha

00:14:26 ◼   ► the problem with the rest of the world

00:14:28 ◼   ► is the rest of the world is not

00:14:30 ◼   ► listening carefully to me now the

00:14:33 ◼   ► problem is that the there are a lot of

00:14:35 ◼   ► people who put their their dumb theories

00:14:37 ◼   ► down advance their dumb theories in

00:14:40 ◼   ► their dumb books but they don't in order

00:14:44 ◼   ► to sell a book you don't say on the last

00:14:47 ◼   ► page but maybe everything i just wrote

00:14:49 ◼   ► is just a dumb theory that I

00:14:52 ◼   ► what up so I think for yourself love the

00:14:54 ◼   ► author is not that much money in saying

00:14:57 ◼   ► but I could be wrong right so so so

00:15:00 ◼   ► these books go out and and gullible

00:15:02 ◼   ► people read them and they think oh now I

00:15:06 ◼   ► know and they don't know anything

00:15:11 ◼   ► yeah or you know or or what it is again

00:15:14 ◼   ► it's a toolbox and and and it's only as

00:15:18 ◼   ► good as the carpenter your toolbox is

00:15:21 ◼   ► only as good as your carpenter ii the

00:15:25 ◼   ► same toolbox that psychologists

00:15:26 ◼   ► listening with I just

00:15:29 ◼   ► hey how a little piece of paper here i

00:15:31 ◼   ► wanna make sure I'm keeping all these

00:15:32 ◼   ► straight but I think I think I think

00:15:35 ◼   ► it's problematic

00:15:36 ◼   ► I think all this is problematic I think

00:15:38 ◼   ► more people should be like John Roderick

00:15:40 ◼   ► and and just say that it a thing is a

00:15:41 ◼   ► thing but on the other hand i'm also

00:15:43 ◼   ► have my motto

00:15:44 ◼   ► yes chuckling that's right service work

00:15:47 ◼   ► is the thing that troubles me I think

00:15:49 ◼   ► with a lot of this the science stuff is

00:15:52 ◼   ► it's not science

00:15:53 ◼   ► I mean anybody who's out there doing

00:15:55 ◼   ► straight science a lot of them are well

00:15:58 ◼   ► first of all they probably working on

00:15:59 ◼   ► boner drugs a lot of them got them thank

00:16:01 ◼   ► God but they but I mean if you're doing

00:16:04 ◼   ► straight science you really are doing a

00:16:06 ◼   ► kind of you know existential improv

00:16:08 ◼   ► we're trying to stop you're seeing what

00:16:10 ◼   ► happens you're saying well here's what

00:16:11 ◼   ► we know and part of being a good

00:16:12 ◼   ► scientist it seems to me is to be able

00:16:14 ◼   ► to go away I but here's the thing we

00:16:16 ◼   ► said but here's that doesn't mean all

00:16:18 ◼   ► these other things there's not this ergo

00:16:20 ◼   ► thing that I because I said that then

00:16:22 ◼   ► necessarily all these other things with

00:16:23 ◼   ► that way the exams feels like good

00:16:26 ◼   ► science says a very specific thing based

00:16:28 ◼   ► on evidence in context and I feel like

00:16:30 ◼   ► the context gets left out you know and

00:16:33 ◼   ► this is why so much of the quote-unquote

00:16:35 ◼   ► research that you hear on you know in

00:16:37 ◼   ► newspapers and NPR is is so goofy a lot

00:16:40 ◼   ► of the time the first of all it's been

00:16:42 ◼   ► it's been strained and drain through all

00:16:44 ◼   ► these different sources and a lot of

00:16:46 ◼   ► times i bet the people who conducted the

00:16:47 ◼   ► primary research we go how in the hell

00:16:49 ◼   ► did this ever become like don't use

00:16:51 ◼   ► aluminum pans anymore

00:16:53 ◼   ► yeah right i don't know if that's true

00:16:54 ◼   ► but like I don't know what psychology

00:16:57 ◼   ► stuff it's hard and it seems like it's

00:16:58 ◼   ► almost like what like optometrists and

00:17:01 ◼   ► Dennis and stuff it's like

00:17:03 ◼   ► chiropodist thank you the further you

00:17:06 ◼   ► are from like serious science the more

00:17:09 ◼   ► serious we become the more you demand of

00:17:11 ◼   ► course the height of this being phd's

00:17:13 ◼   ► demanding that they be called dr. right

00:17:16 ◼   ► yeah right for bastards call somebody

00:17:18 ◼   ► with a PhD dr arrogant bastards yes I

00:17:22 ◼   ► think it right on the diploma

00:17:23 ◼   ► I feel like real scientists are people

00:17:26 ◼   ► who are combining baking powder and

00:17:30 ◼   ► vinegar and making volcanoes and as you

00:17:35 ◼   ► as you stray from that core science

00:17:38 ◼   ► original science of volcano

00:17:41 ◼   ► manufacturing it just gets into fruity

00:17:45 ◼   ► pebbles out there in every direction and

00:17:49 ◼   ► at and in all honesty I think that

00:17:51 ◼   ► adulthood is a process of becoming

00:17:54 ◼   ► comfortable with ambiguity and i know

00:17:57 ◼   ► this about you that you are comfortable

00:17:59 ◼   ► with a certain amount of ambiguity

00:18:01 ◼   ► yeah i know i was i was trying to trying

00:18:05 ◼   ► to be nice to draw on that out i know i

00:18:07 ◼   ► know you're not comfortable with

00:18:08 ◼   ► ambiguity but I aspire to be comfortable

00:18:12 ◼   ► with a certain amount of ambiguity

00:18:14 ◼   ► because i know that i know that much the

00:18:18 ◼   ► life that I perceive is really a

00:18:21 ◼   ► television show that I've been living in

00:18:23 ◼   ► since I was a little kid and so I don't

00:18:28 ◼   ► want to get caught masturbating because

00:18:29 ◼   ► you're an introvert well being an

00:18:34 ◼   ► introvert is not easy it's really not

00:18:38 ◼   ► know and I know a lot of the people

00:18:40 ◼   ► listening to this podcast are introverts

00:18:42 ◼   ► because that is by definition who

00:18:45 ◼   ► listens to podcasts people who like to

00:18:48 ◼   ► hear other people's voices only through

00:18:50 ◼   ► their car stereo speakers right rather

00:18:54 ◼   ► than having people sitting in the car

00:18:56 ◼   ► with them talking to them know where you

00:18:57 ◼   ► come up with this stuff

00:18:59 ◼   ► it's it's just a theory um I think in

00:19:04 ◼   ► some ways the people who are most loudly

00:19:06 ◼   ► saying things like in our case we're not

00:19:09 ◼   ► where we are scientists of a kind I

00:19:11 ◼   ► imagine you know scientists sizes and

00:19:14 ◼   ► not in the sense of science but in a

00:19:16 ◼   ► sense of the you know a social

00:19:19 ◼   ► intercourse

00:19:20 ◼   ► yeah we're sky interests we know person

00:19:23 ◼   ► that's good that is that is good where

00:19:27 ◼   ► blue sky and tests we understand that

00:19:31 ◼   ► should be we understand how people

00:19:32 ◼   ► should behave we understand the the like

00:19:36 ◼   ► Mitzi and best of all possible worlds

00:19:38 ◼   ► that should exist

00:19:39 ◼   ► yeah we're actually just here to help

00:19:40 ◼   ► where the pan gloss overs playing

00:19:42 ◼   ► glossary so I got nothing

00:19:44 ◼   ► the odd so the problem is that sometimes

00:19:48 ◼   ► with people who put things most most

00:19:50 ◼   ► strongly but you know what

00:19:51 ◼   ► it's part of the I think you got your

00:19:53 ◼   ► copy this the contrarian screed the road

00:19:56 ◼   ► where if you can find you know invented

00:19:58 ◼   ► sarcasm if you are if you can find any

00:20:01 ◼   ► hole in any of it doesn't matter whether

00:20:03 ◼   ► you agree with it or not you just got to

00:20:05 ◼   ► go explore the whole if you don't mind

00:20:07 ◼   ► my saying and i think that's that's a

00:20:08 ◼   ► big part of it is is you might your i

00:20:11 ◼   ► might say the most ridiculous bombastic

00:20:13 ◼   ► thing in the world

00:20:14 ◼   ► just just to say that thing but then

00:20:17 ◼   ► you're okay arguing about and eventually

00:20:19 ◼   ► going home you know maybe it is this

00:20:20 ◼   ► other thing and what bugs me is the

00:20:22 ◼   ► personal brand stuff we're like you're

00:20:24 ◼   ► not allowed to you know if you're gonna

00:20:27 ◼   ► be on brand you're going to be that guy

00:20:29 ◼   ► who put out that useless book or you're

00:20:30 ◼   ► going to be this person who's putting

00:20:32 ◼   ► out this useful study that like you're

00:20:34 ◼   ► going to be harmed if anything about it

00:20:37 ◼   ► is shown to be incomplete inconsistent

00:20:39 ◼   ► or untrue and then your whole world

00:20:42 ◼   ► falls apart because you know what I mean

00:20:44 ◼   ► look and that's the thing is they now

00:20:46 ◼   ► you're dug in

00:20:47 ◼   ► now you guys gotta defend that until

00:20:49 ◼   ► he's dead I feel like in a way that's

00:20:52 ◼   ► true that's true of liberalism now or

00:20:55 ◼   ► that's true that's true of the whole

00:20:58 ◼   ► liberal half of this country who are so

00:21:02 ◼   ► on brand and over the years the brand

00:21:06 ◼   ► has changed and every new addition to it

00:21:10 ◼   ► the the Liberals feel like they need to

00:21:14 ◼   ► embrace it and and anonymous eyes it and

00:21:19 ◼   ► after a while the brand is so ungainly

00:21:21 ◼   ► itself rife with internal contradictions

00:21:24 ◼   ► that liberalism has become meaningless

00:21:27 ◼   ► or if not meaningless at least it's it's

00:21:30 ◼   ► a it's it's a multi-headed Hydra that

00:21:33 ◼   ► can't possibly live it can't possibly

00:21:35 ◼   ► subsist and he contrasted against

00:21:39 ◼   ► conservatism which is just as balkanized

00:21:43 ◼   ► but this isn't just some clear this is

00:21:46 ◼   ► not going to be coming with the tea

00:21:47 ◼   ► party right

00:21:48 ◼   ► oh you don't want to talk about the Tea

00:21:49 ◼   ► Party is a bridge to the tea party

00:21:52 ◼   ► no I wasn't trying to bridge by where I

00:21:54 ◼   ► don't interrupt you better this is you

00:21:55 ◼   ► know this stuff is on my mind liberalism

00:21:57 ◼   ► is on my mind I don't really give a fuck

00:21:58 ◼   ► about the tea party right

00:22:00 ◼   ► what I care about is liberalism and how

00:22:02 ◼   ► to find some kind of liberalism that's

00:22:04 ◼   ► that's that's that's livable and I feel

00:22:08 ◼   ► like I feel like the Liberals that I

00:22:09 ◼   ► know there are so many things so many

00:22:11 ◼   ► tenants of liberalism that are off the

00:22:13 ◼   ► table for talking about anymore because

00:22:17 ◼   ► they're part of the brand you can't

00:22:19 ◼   ► how comes almost becomes a little bit

00:22:21 ◼   ► religious world absolutely wall that's

00:22:23 ◼   ► all that's holding the family together

00:22:24 ◼   ► right now is our belief in the wizard

00:22:26 ◼   ► and there's these things is that if we

00:22:29 ◼   ► if we start if we start trying to take

00:22:33 ◼   ► out all the in essential parts of this

00:22:35 ◼   ► or figure out what's debatable about

00:22:38 ◼   ► what we'll discover is that everything

00:22:39 ◼   ► that's left of liberalism today is a

00:22:42 ◼   ► reaction to conservatives there's very

00:22:44 ◼   ► little we're basically we whoever

00:22:47 ◼   ► considers himself liberal I just I'm so

00:22:49 ◼   ► not interested in politics i can

00:22:50 ◼   ► articulate and yet and yet

00:22:52 ◼   ► ah i think it's very true though that

00:22:56 ◼   ► basically were missiles are basically

00:22:58 ◼   ► like slightly advanced children they're

00:23:02 ◼   ► like protein agers in the sense that

00:23:04 ◼   ► they know everything they don't like

00:23:05 ◼   ► they don't know that much about what

00:23:07 ◼   ► they like and they know mostly about

00:23:09 ◼   ► when they don't want to sit at the lunch

00:23:10 ◼   ► table with somebody who doesn't know you

00:23:14 ◼   ► know what what what the cool little

00:23:15 ◼   ► thing to do is

00:23:16 ◼   ► yeah I think that's true of the mass of

00:23:18 ◼   ► all ppl nets made liberals more

00:23:19 ◼   ► conservative than conservatives that

00:23:22 ◼   ► kind of that kind of and it's and you

00:23:24 ◼   ► need to look no further than the city

00:23:25 ◼   ► that I live in to see how conservative

00:23:29 ◼   ► can mean a lot more than your feelings

00:23:31 ◼   ► on the gold standard what it can really

00:23:34 ◼   ► mean is how didactic or how what's the

00:23:38 ◼   ► word how canonical as you like to say

00:23:40 ◼   ► you can become about saying no no here's

00:23:43 ◼   ► the thing reactionary if you like like

00:23:46 ◼   ► no this is the this is how we do these

00:23:49 ◼   ► things and differing from that is taking

00:23:51 ◼   ► this off-brand as you would say and it's

00:23:54 ◼   ► and it's you don't mean it's really

00:23:56 ◼   ► becoming more about like defending your

00:23:58 ◼   ► your little house of hay from the the

00:24:00 ◼   ► big bad wolf

00:24:01 ◼   ► it's less about building thing you want

00:24:03 ◼   ► to make and more about just reacting to

00:24:04 ◼   ► what the rest of the world does

00:24:06 ◼   ► yeah i i'm i'm now as i hear you talk in

00:24:10 ◼   ► clock to agree with you that we

00:24:11 ◼   ► shouldn't talk about politics that's

00:24:13 ◼   ► awful it's awful people just feel what

00:24:17 ◼   ► it's like for you to listen to people

00:24:18 ◼   ► talk about anything it's very it's very

00:24:21 ◼   ► hard to be nice to meet them and talk

00:24:23 ◼   ► about anything I I don't want them kind

00:24:26 ◼   ► of say I'm really glad I don't have to

00:24:27 ◼   ► do the books for you on this but i'm

00:24:28 ◼   ► just guessing that many potentially most

00:24:31 ◼   ► people have not consulted you on whether

00:24:33 ◼   ► they are even qualified to discuss many

00:24:34 ◼   ► issues

00:24:35 ◼   ► yeah driving i'm gonna guess driving

00:24:38 ◼   ► yeah I know you feel very strongly about

00:24:39 ◼   ► driving i do and there are a lot of

00:24:41 ◼   ► terrible drivers out there too many can

00:24:44 ◼   ► I i was going to try and get back to the

00:24:47 ◼   ► relationship think that's too late now

00:24:48 ◼   ► the driving thing you seem to feel very

00:24:51 ◼   ► strongly about driving i know several

00:24:52 ◼   ► friends that and I've gotten the feeling

00:24:54 ◼   ► from you that has to do with your

00:24:57 ◼   ► Alaskan background i think at one time

00:24:58 ◼   ► you said you offered to I think put a

00:25:00 ◼   ► broom stick up my ass because i wanted

00:25:02 ◼   ► to drive i don't remember the exact

00:25:04 ◼   ► context it's probably phrase you is in

00:25:06 ◼   ► parlance with your types

00:25:08 ◼   ► yeah but you know you grew up in Florida

00:25:10 ◼   ► where I mean the highest elevation in

00:25:12 ◼   ► Florida is like three phone books

00:25:13 ◼   ► stacked on top of one another

00:25:15 ◼   ► yeah so how would we know we don't even

00:25:17 ◼   ► have rulers so we don't even know how

00:25:19 ◼   ► was that is in inches or whatever you

00:25:20 ◼   ► want you know how to drive you just you

00:25:22 ◼   ► point the car and then and then start

00:25:25 ◼   ► I don't know giving yourself a manicure

00:25:26 ◼   ► and then you're at the here at you

00:25:28 ◼   ► you've arrived and let's eat oranges

00:25:30 ◼   ► I'm in Florida telling me why I'm in

00:25:34 ◼   ► Florida is that baked into the culture

00:25:36 ◼   ► there you got the gas you

00:25:37 ◼   ► the gas at the gas know it's coming out

00:25:40 ◼   ► last days is a part of it but there are

00:25:42 ◼   ► some terrible drivers in Alaska to know

00:25:44 ◼   ► I feel like it's a driving is driving as

00:25:47 ◼   ► much more it's it it's very easy to be a

00:25:50 ◼   ► driver it's very hard to be a good

00:25:52 ◼   ► driver

00:25:54 ◼   ► you have to understand you have to

00:25:56 ◼   ► understand a lot of things you have them

00:25:58 ◼   ► you have to be able to bring a lot of

00:25:59 ◼   ► things to bear and you have to have

00:26:01 ◼   ► peripheral vision and you have to be

00:26:03 ◼   ► looking 20 seconds ahead and all these

00:26:06 ◼   ► all these things that get in the way of

00:26:09 ◼   ► people you know jamming out to

00:26:12 ◼   ► Bananarama or whatever it is that people

00:26:14 ◼   ► do in their cars you can see what

00:26:16 ◼   ► channel is it out the implication that

00:26:18 ◼   ► almost nobody but you is able to do well

00:26:21 ◼   ► is that no I see good driver sometimes

00:26:23 ◼   ► I'll be driving along a guy i'll drive

00:26:25 ◼   ► by or sometimes you gotta wait you have

00:26:28 ◼   ► a way for a handshake or something but

00:26:30 ◼   ► much more like mmm

00:26:32 ◼   ► and then he looks over it goes me it's

00:26:34 ◼   ► like being a tough guy where you can

00:26:35 ◼   ► just look at somebody and go like that

00:26:37 ◼   ► guy's wiry he could be an ultimate

00:26:38 ◼   ► fighter like you see somebody driving

00:26:40 ◼   ► you might you might see a lady in the

00:26:41 ◼   ► store and just go i can just tell she's

00:26:43 ◼   ► a good driver

00:26:44 ◼   ► yeah you just you watch a person

00:26:45 ◼   ► navigate through their environment

00:26:48 ◼   ► because you would've gotten too far

00:26:49 ◼   ► grocery store you could probably tell I

00:26:51 ◼   ► at least I can just say and I don't want

00:26:53 ◼   ► to I don't want to go into the things we

00:26:55 ◼   ► go into sometimes but in my neighborhood

00:26:57 ◼   ► it's very clear is not a good driver

00:26:59 ◼   ► just go to the grocery store right right

00:27:02 ◼   ► well it's very clear who's not a good

00:27:04 ◼   ► person

00:27:04 ◼   ► well if you can't navigate your way

00:27:06 ◼   ► through a grocery store without

00:27:08 ◼   ► inconveniencing other people know

00:27:09 ◼   ► without without making yourself an

00:27:12 ◼   ► obstacle should be a tribunal then

00:27:14 ◼   ► you're a bad person there should just be

00:27:16 ◼   ► there should be people there just taking

00:27:17 ◼   ► you out of there

00:27:18 ◼   ► I the Soylent Green people right i don't

00:27:22 ◼   ► want my daughter this

00:27:23 ◼   ► that's right well I don't even know if I

00:27:25 ◼   ► want to eat that but i think i said to

00:27:27 ◼   ► my daughter taught her this is the most

00:27:28 ◼   ► important thing we must teach our

00:27:29 ◼   ► children is the two rules of the grocery

00:27:31 ◼   ► store you keep moving and you get out of

00:27:33 ◼   ► the way if you know if you're not if

00:27:35 ◼   ► you're not gonna keep moving

00:27:36 ◼   ► get out of the way now here's what you

00:27:38 ◼   ► need to get out of the way keep moving

00:27:40 ◼   ► keep moving it out of the way that's a

00:27:41 ◼   ► this is eight law everything you must

00:27:43 ◼   ► know about the grocery store keep moving

00:27:45 ◼   ► get out of the way if you can't do one

00:27:46 ◼   ► to the other

00:27:47 ◼   ► always always that should be that should

00:27:49 ◼   ► be a t-shirt and and

00:27:51 ◼   ► get out of the way should be I think

00:27:53 ◼   ► what most people think of all the time

00:27:55 ◼   ► and and even though i present as a

00:27:58 ◼   ► fairly like as a fairly uh alpha

00:28:03 ◼   ► personality let's say Who I am always

00:28:06 ◼   ► thinking to myself do I need to get out

00:28:09 ◼   ► of somebody's way you know i'm always

00:28:11 ◼   ► looking in the rearview mirror I'm

00:28:12 ◼   ► always walking around the grocery store

00:28:14 ◼   ► answer the answer is not always yes on a

00:28:16 ◼   ► variety of levels but the question is

00:28:18 ◼   ► always there some people i don't get out

00:28:20 ◼   ► of the way because they need to feel me

00:28:22 ◼   ► in their way right moment anyway they

00:28:25 ◼   ► don't realize that's right they don't

00:28:27 ◼   ► understand it but it's good for them

00:28:28 ◼   ► ultimately that I'm in their way but for

00:28:31 ◼   ► instance I went to I went to a movie at

00:28:33 ◼   ► an art house theater the other night and

00:28:36 ◼   ► you know it's an arthouse it's a place

00:28:39 ◼   ► called the Seven Gables in seattle

00:28:41 ◼   ► average age of the of the people in this

00:28:44 ◼   ► movie theater is 55 years old

00:28:47 ◼   ► everyone is wearing some kind of

00:28:49 ◼   ► Patagonia garment or some kind of thing

00:28:54 ◼   ► from rei you know it's a very university

00:28:58 ◼   ► audience of peanut butter carabiners

00:29:01 ◼   ► some carabiners on people's keychains

00:29:05 ◼   ► and they're there to watch a you know a

00:29:07 ◼   ► small a smaller film not a widely

00:29:10 ◼   ► released film and I swear to you there

00:29:16 ◼   ► was more audience noise during this film

00:29:20 ◼   ► which was a film about the Holocaust

00:29:25 ◼   ► right i mean it's not a film that it's

00:29:27 ◼   ► not like it's not a you get easily

00:29:32 ◼   ► yelling at the screen in you know and

00:29:34 ◼   ► I'm thinking to myself that this is let

00:29:36 ◼   ► this audience is louder than the

00:29:39 ◼   ► audience at a queen latifah film and

00:29:42 ◼   ► it's because every person in the

00:29:44 ◼   ► audience feels like they need to make

00:29:46 ◼   ► some kind of some kind of audible

00:29:48 ◼   ► response to every plot twists to every

00:29:52 ◼   ► to every you know shocking moment

00:29:55 ◼   ► everybody in the place has to go

00:29:56 ◼   ► Oh mm oh yes oh

00:30:00 ◼   ► well and you know and I felt like

00:30:03 ◼   ► standing up in front of the screen and

00:30:05 ◼   ► saying you people shut the fuck up like

00:30:07 ◼   ► yeah you are this is not an audience

00:30:10 ◼   ► participation film and you're you know

00:30:14 ◼   ► the fact that you are grokking the the

00:30:17 ◼   ► plot twist doesn't need to be punctuated

00:30:19 ◼   ► with a little like a like a grown from

00:30:23 ◼   ► you it's not different from what you're

00:30:25 ◼   ► like you're in your grandparents yelling

00:30:28 ◼   ► the answer on wheel of fortune

00:30:30 ◼   ► well that's in the privacy of their own

00:30:31 ◼   ► home but that right i mean that's the

00:30:33 ◼   ► thing i mean you take a combination of

00:30:35 ◼   ► the kind of like everybody gets to

00:30:36 ◼   ► comment on everything aspects of the

00:30:38 ◼   ► internet to find with the NPR honest of

00:30:40 ◼   ► owning a lot of things from rei and and

00:30:42 ◼   ► being used to be able to write letters

00:30:44 ◼   ► to the new york times you go into a

00:30:45 ◼   ► theater with that that's a deadly

00:30:46 ◼   ► cocktail my friend

00:30:47 ◼   ► yeah and I can't cause it was the x-men

00:30:50 ◼   ► movie what was it the holocaust movie

00:30:51 ◼   ► members there was the x-men movie have

00:30:53 ◼   ► the whole you betcha she anything that

00:30:56 ◼   ► has the Holocaust all go see is that

00:30:58 ◼   ► right and what was that one about the

00:31:00 ◼   ► Israeli it's kind of like a Munich

00:31:02 ◼   ► except i was good about the the most sad

00:31:07 ◼   ► agents who

00:31:08 ◼   ► Oh kill the bird who go to to kidnap the

00:31:12 ◼   ► Mengele type doctor and they i won't

00:31:16 ◼   ► give the Indiana spoilers no spoilers

00:31:17 ◼   ► but see this gets us to a deeper problem

00:31:19 ◼   ► John it's a much broader problem it's

00:31:21 ◼   ► what ultimately wifey Rattray depression

00:31:23 ◼   ► which is that nobody knows how to stand

00:31:25 ◼   ► in line if you had to bring it down to

00:31:27 ◼   ► one thing

00:31:28 ◼   ► well the one thing is we don't really

00:31:29 ◼   ► know how to act around people anymore

00:31:30 ◼   ► but the theater and all comes together

00:31:32 ◼   ► in the theater the theater is the worst

00:31:34 ◼   ► of humanity jammed into a room with

00:31:36 ◼   ► sticky floors and it's everything on of

00:31:39 ◼   ► the grocery store and grocery store

00:31:40 ◼   ► might be worst if there was a grocery

00:31:42 ◼   ► store that had a movie theater that

00:31:43 ◼   ► would be the worst the absolute worst of

00:31:46 ◼   ► humanity

00:31:46 ◼   ► it wouldn't be able to get your seat and

00:31:48 ◼   ► people would be yelling this is a hell

00:31:50 ◼   ► of a business model i think this this

00:31:52 ◼   ► grocery store movie theater thing this

00:31:53 ◼   ► like as a punitive thing it's like a

00:31:55 ◼   ► beer pub pizza parlor movie theater

00:31:57 ◼   ► except you're actually giving shopping

00:31:59 ◼   ► done to you so you can have like Arsenal

00:32:01 ◼   ► beers you come in you get if you can

00:32:03 ◼   ► find your table first forget the foyer

00:32:05 ◼   ► table you get past this lady here who is

00:32:07 ◼   ► really do

00:32:08 ◼   ► what about getting her free sample man

00:32:10 ◼   ► i'm kind of explain something to you hi

00:32:11 ◼   ► this is my daughter I hope she sees the

00:32:13 ◼   ► age of four

00:32:14 ◼   ► my concern is that if you and the rest

00:32:17 ◼   ► of the sand people do not move away from

00:32:19 ◼   ► the tiny bits of sausage on toothpicks

00:32:21 ◼   ► I will literally die in a dirty safeway

00:32:23 ◼   ► standing behind somebody cheap and

00:32:26 ◼   ► that's just not how I see this ending

00:32:27 ◼   ► while ghostbusters 3 is playing on bom

00:32:31 ◼   ► bom-bom that would be good when I took

00:32:34 ◼   ► my daughter to one movie and it was

00:32:36 ◼   ► excruciating

00:32:37 ◼   ► I can't believe what is happening is

00:32:38 ◼   ► this is a dumb like cliche but it's a

00:32:41 ◼   ► unbearable to go to the movies setting

00:32:43 ◼   ► aside the eighty dollars that cost the

00:32:45 ◼   ► two of us to see Winnie the poop

00:32:46 ◼   ► it was awful everything about it was

00:32:48 ◼   ► awful the the commercials before the

00:32:51 ◼   ► trailers were awful the trailers were

00:32:52 ◼   ► awful to move it was all awful

00:32:55 ◼   ► yeah and like you say it's like a queen

00:32:57 ◼   ► latifah thing like everybody's yelling

00:32:58 ◼   ► yelling and yelling stuff and talking

00:33:01 ◼   ► and playing with their phones

00:33:02 ◼   ► yeah well you know I think what it is is

00:33:04 ◼   ► that sometime when we were kids the the

00:33:09 ◼   ► school curriculum was still based on the

00:33:11 ◼   ► premise that we were trying to beat the

00:33:13 ◼   ► Russians to the moon even though we we

00:33:16 ◼   ► already beat the Russians to the moon we

00:33:17 ◼   ► were still reading those same math books

00:33:19 ◼   ► we we wanted to get to the moon and we

00:33:22 ◼   ► wanted them not to get to them yeah

00:33:24 ◼   ► right we want to get a lot of work a lot

00:33:25 ◼   ► of your face but then somewhere there in

00:33:29 ◼   ► the in the seventies the allen all the

00:33:33 ◼   ► vacation of America happened and

00:33:37 ◼   ► suddenly everybody was an artist

00:33:40 ◼   ► nobody was a nobody had a slide rule

00:33:42 ◼   ► anymore nobody was trying to get us to

00:33:44 ◼   ► the moon now everybody now everybody was

00:33:49 ◼   ► free to be and we were all our little

00:33:53 ◼   ► hearts needed to be set free and we

00:33:56 ◼   ► needed to talk about our feelings and

00:33:59 ◼   ► everybody needed to share and now we

00:34:02 ◼   ► live in a we live in a nation of 350

00:34:05 ◼   ► million of the most important people who

00:34:08 ◼   ► ever lived

00:34:09 ◼   ► nobody can wait in line nobody can admit

00:34:11 ◼   ► for a second that maybe in the grand

00:34:14 ◼   ► scheme of things they are a peon

00:34:19 ◼   ► and they need to shut the fuck up and

00:34:21 ◼   ► get in line and do their jobs and get

00:34:24 ◼   ► out of the way of better drivers who are

00:34:27 ◼   ► on their way to someplace and only have

00:34:29 ◼   ► nine minutes to get there i think that i

00:34:31 ◼   ► finally understand it ok it's really

00:34:33 ◼   ► it's a problem with at least two levels

00:34:36 ◼   ► this is the second level is that that

00:34:40 ◼   ► the people are in your way

00:34:42 ◼   ► they're making take way more than 9

00:34:44 ◼   ► minutes you're not going to get the

00:34:45 ◼   ► chance to have a walk or a nap there in

00:34:47 ◼   ► John's way if i understand correctly the

00:34:49 ◼   ► first much more broad problem we're

00:34:52 ◼   ► never gonna get the problem to ensure we

00:34:53 ◼   ► get the problem one is that people are

00:34:55 ◼   ► literally not being forced to literally

00:34:57 ◼   ► listen to you because you could that's

00:35:00 ◼   ► part of the problem is people are

00:35:01 ◼   ► getting kinda say John I think people

00:35:03 ◼   ► are getting a mixed message and the

00:35:04 ◼   ► mixed messages there are people besides

00:35:06 ◼   ► John they're giving them advice if any

00:35:08 ◼   ► advice and that your what you have to

00:35:10 ◼   ► share with them is getting lost and

00:35:12 ◼   ► missed all the voices and talking about

00:35:14 ◼   ► feelings for her to say that is fair to

00:35:16 ◼   ► say except that with the caveat that I

00:35:19 ◼   ► don't really care if they're listening

00:35:21 ◼   ► I just want them to be quiet while i'm

00:35:23 ◼   ► talking you know if they are just

00:35:26 ◼   ► sitting there just just dumb we watch it

00:35:30 ◼   ► really got the movie it's the movie is

00:35:32 ◼   ► it really the movies you

00:35:34 ◼   ► the funds are talking during you there

00:35:36 ◼   ► talking during me or there fidgeting

00:35:38 ◼   ► even during me they should just be

00:35:41 ◼   ► content if they if they can't understand

00:35:43 ◼   ► what I'm saying they should just watch a

00:35:45 ◼   ► dust mite floating floating through the

00:35:48 ◼   ► air or something but they need no I

00:35:50 ◼   ► think we need to return to us don't know

00:35:51 ◼   ► what it is and I don't 15 model of like

00:35:54 ◼   ► rulers on the knuckles we got a whole

00:35:56 ◼   ► room full of kids that need a lot of

00:35:57 ◼   ► learning

00:35:58 ◼   ► please don't distract from that if you

00:36:00 ◼   ► can if you cannot sit in your seat and

00:36:02 ◼   ► listen to what John has to share with

00:36:03 ◼   ► you then maybe me know what we will move

00:36:06 ◼   ► down to the the room with the helmet

00:36:07 ◼   ► kids because this is for people who are

00:36:09 ◼   ► serious about life there's a phrase for

00:36:11 ◼   ► this can i think and it and it isn't

00:36:14 ◼   ► just it's not John centric the phrase is

00:36:16 ◼   ► good citizenship sure good citizenship

00:36:19 ◼   ► is listening to John yes

00:36:25 ◼   ► I i said this to lots of people when

00:36:28 ◼   ► they annoy me but I think there's a

00:36:30 ◼   ► misconception also about the idea of

00:36:32 ◼   ► etiquette or good manners and you go

00:36:35 ◼   ► pick up any good book on etiquette or

00:36:37 ◼   ► good manners and it will tell you this

00:36:38 ◼   ► is not about yelling at people about

00:36:41 ◼   ► where the fork is good manners and

00:36:42 ◼   ► etiquette are about making other people

00:36:44 ◼   ► feel at ease the whole reason that we

00:36:47 ◼   ► have manners and we have etiquette is so

00:36:49 ◼   ► that you don't have to feel

00:36:50 ◼   ► uncomfortable about knowing which fork

00:36:52 ◼   ► is for the shrimp it's not about

00:36:54 ◼   ► browbeating people about which for the

00:36:56 ◼   ► used incorrectly and I think that's a

00:36:58 ◼   ► big part of the problem i think we're

00:37:00 ◼   ► gonna get hung up we get hung up on all

00:37:02 ◼   ► the what the rules part are without

00:37:03 ◼   ► understanding why the rule existed and

00:37:05 ◼   ► and and what's nice about rules as

00:37:08 ◼   ► everybody agrees on what they are and

00:37:10 ◼   ► then you get on with life and

00:37:11 ◼   ► unfortunately now we we we got so

00:37:16 ◼   ► fixated on the fact that the rules were

00:37:18 ◼   ► based on on a bad system the rules were

00:37:22 ◼   ► based on were imposed by by European

00:37:27 ◼   ► colonialists or or imposed by rich

00:37:30 ◼   ► people and that in principle was bad the

00:37:33 ◼   ► rules favored the colonialists they

00:37:36 ◼   ► favor the rich people but more

00:37:38 ◼   ► importantly just the fact even the rules

00:37:40 ◼   ► that were good that there were that were

00:37:42 ◼   ► neutral the fact that they had come from

00:37:46 ◼   ► these these bad people these oppressive

00:37:48 ◼   ► people was enough to make 2222 not only

00:37:52 ◼   ► question the rule but to assume that the

00:37:55 ◼   ► rule was bad

00:37:56 ◼   ► interesting that perhaps rules

00:37:57 ◼   ► altogether are a bad idea because that's

00:38:00 ◼   ► a fallacy central conceit of the

00:38:01 ◼   ► colonial government

00:38:02 ◼   ► well except that everybody's got rules

00:38:06 ◼   ► look the so it's not the rules are no I

00:38:09 ◼   ► don't think anybody assumed except for

00:38:10 ◼   ► anarchists ends and people on 4chan I

00:38:13 ◼   ► don't think anybody thinks that rules

00:38:15 ◼   ► are bad it's just that they want to they

00:38:17 ◼   ► want to make their own set of rules they

00:38:19 ◼   ► want to make the rules they want to they

00:38:21 ◼   ► want to cobble together some rules from

00:38:23 ◼   ► the things that their parents told them

00:38:24 ◼   ► that they didn't resent some of the

00:38:26 ◼   ► crackpot ideas that they read in some

00:38:29 ◼   ► magazines some things that came to them

00:38:32 ◼   ► in a dream and one or two arbitrary

00:38:36 ◼   ► things just to make other people

00:38:38 ◼   ► you know just like keep people jumping

00:38:41 ◼   ► and then people walk out of the door and

00:38:43 ◼   ► they're like these are my rules and

00:38:46 ◼   ► everybody get out of the way you know

00:38:47 ◼   ► and and and it may sound like that's

00:38:51 ◼   ► what i'm doing but that's not what I'm

00:38:53 ◼   ► doing it all again that you're doing it

00:38:55 ◼   ► at a much deeper level my rules are are

00:38:57 ◼   ► my rules are ancient i'm using ancient

00:39:00 ◼   ► rules

00:39:01 ◼   ► mhm yes but i can't my rules can't

00:39:05 ◼   ► compete with somebody who read the

00:39:06 ◼   ► secret because Oprah told them to and

00:39:08 ◼   ► now they've got a bunch of rules based

00:39:10 ◼   ► on the secret that starts to really

00:39:12 ◼   ► degrade the whole idea of what the rule

00:39:13 ◼   ► is you know that at the point when you

00:39:16 ◼   ► introduce that much magical thinking I

00:39:18 ◼   ► gotta tell you buddy i think i think

00:39:20 ◼   ► he's moving get out of the way I mean

00:39:22 ◼   ► that's nothing for inflation rules that

00:39:24 ◼   ► is you know that they really is it's

00:39:26 ◼   ► like a sort of one of those rules like

00:39:27 ◼   ► flush you know what flush

00:39:29 ◼   ► it's okay flush right that's a good rule

00:39:32 ◼   ► if it's yellow

00:39:33 ◼   ► don't let it throw not seriously don't

00:39:36 ◼   ► dumb if it's yellow flush that's your

00:39:38 ◼   ► money away

00:39:39 ◼   ► sure monic flush yeah that's it but if

00:39:42 ◼   ► you live in a tree house is a cone

00:39:46 ◼   ► these are these are things that we're

00:39:48 ◼   ► passing on to our children you know if

00:39:49 ◼   ► you make a mess clean it up you know if

00:39:52 ◼   ► you read my if you're if you read mark

00:39:54 ◼   ► twain all this is in there if you read

00:39:58 ◼   ► if you read Hemingway it's all there

00:40:00 ◼   ► yeah flush right i mean if Hemingway

00:40:04 ◼   ► doesn't have a short story titled flush

00:40:06 ◼   ► well he doesn't but he should have and I

00:40:09 ◼   ► think I think that messages

00:40:11 ◼   ► it's threaded through its thread through

00:40:14 ◼   ► all cultures right right that it's

00:40:18 ◼   ► difficult to not be able to get

00:40:19 ◼   ► directions and you should flush I think

00:40:22 ◼   ► it's there that's the old man and the

00:40:23 ◼   ► sea right so you know it's have sympathy

00:40:27 ◼   ► for men because it's sometimes hard to

00:40:30 ◼   ► get an erection

00:40:31 ◼   ► that's right that's that's one of the

00:40:34 ◼   ► top ten rules Andy taciturn I mean why

00:40:37 ◼   ► do you think I mean they're men get a

00:40:39 ◼   ► bad rap but it's hard to be a man from

00:40:44 ◼   ► women me well know from men to from you

00:40:47 ◼   ► know these men that

00:40:49 ◼   ► that is again so that's a no on all the

00:40:53 ◼   ► thing or fleece thing I think it's an

00:40:55 ◼   ► allen all the thing you could be I mean

00:40:56 ◼   ► please PLEASE came directly from Alan

00:41:00 ◼   ► Alda huh

00:41:01 ◼   ► please there was no fleece before Alan

00:41:03 ◼   ► Alda you know I would I captain I don't

00:41:06 ◼   ► know I wouldn't want to Calais no don't

00:41:09 ◼   ► please don't use that word fallacy

00:41:11 ◼   ► it's a it's got a dick right in the

00:41:13 ◼   ► middle of it is that one of John were

00:41:15 ◼   ► sisters word hates you get introduced me

00:41:17 ◼   ► that guy may have met him he won't

00:41:18 ◼   ► remember me but you gotta eat sounds

00:41:20 ◼   ► like you guys are pals from the tree got

00:41:21 ◼   ► any drum loops from that guy was really

00:41:24 ◼   ► neat rom lives being pals with jon

00:41:26 ◼   ► wurster is it's more difficult than it

00:41:28 ◼   ► looks really well jon wurster is a very

00:41:31 ◼   ► little monkey

00:41:32 ◼   ► he's an extremely funny and extremely

00:41:34 ◼   ► intelligent person who has carved a life

00:41:37 ◼   ► for himself in rock and roll which is a

00:41:40 ◼   ► world of morons and so jon wurster has

00:41:45 ◼   ► done what a lot of smart people in

00:41:46 ◼   ► rock-and-roll has done which is he's

00:41:48 ◼   ► he's very careful not to he doesn't like

00:41:52 ◼   ► put streamers up and balloons up just

00:41:56 ◼   ► because you say something funny to him a

00:41:58 ◼   ► couple of times you know he's not like

00:42:00 ◼   ► oh my god hi be my friend you know use

00:42:02 ◼   ► the heel height what did you do

00:42:04 ◼   ► how'd you get in there who me yeah I

00:42:06 ◼   ► wouldn't even I wouldn't even say I was

00:42:08 ◼   ► in there I mean we we did a tour

00:42:10 ◼   ► together and when and we like each other

00:42:12 ◼   ► but it's there just announced to know I

00:42:15 ◼   ► know he was playing drums in the jay

00:42:20 ◼   ► farrar ben gibbard Jack Kerouac based

00:42:24 ◼   ► side project band and I did I i did a

00:42:27 ◼   ► tour with them

00:42:28 ◼   ► that's right but I think jon wurster and

00:42:30 ◼   ► I even though now we've known each other

00:42:32 ◼   ► not you know known each other for a

00:42:34 ◼   ► couple years we're still in the the the

00:42:37 ◼   ► friendly circling stage where we say oh

00:42:42 ◼   ► hello you

00:42:43 ◼   ► yes well there you are arched eyebrows

00:42:46 ◼   ► yeah like snitches care after yeah

00:42:48 ◼   ► there's a little bit of cheer sniffing

00:42:50 ◼   ► and it's not i I don't I never I do not

00:42:53 ◼   ► approach someone like jon wurster with

00:42:55 ◼   ► the expectation that he is going to

00:42:57 ◼   ► appreciate

00:42:59 ◼   ► that i am one of the greatest living men

00:43:02 ◼   ► see this is another one that that's the

00:43:05 ◼   ► problem the problem again with my better

00:43:07 ◼   ► but in his case of with somebody like

00:43:09 ◼   ► jon wurster I don't you know I don't I

00:43:11 ◼   ► don't consider a problem because jon

00:43:13 ◼   ► wurster probably when he's lying in bed

00:43:16 ◼   ► at night also suspect that he may be one

00:43:18 ◼   ► of the greatest living men and there's

00:43:20 ◼   ► not a lot of room in town for too many

00:43:24 ◼   ► greatest living men you can't have that

00:43:26 ◼   ► many of them in the same small western

00:43:29 ◼   ► town or there's gonna be a gunfight

00:43:31 ◼   ► absolutely the pity of it is that

00:43:33 ◼   ► because of the nature of this challenge

00:43:35 ◼   ► is you'll never be able to have a

00:43:37 ◼   ► benefit to help these men because first

00:43:40 ◼   ► of all you all of you guys hate playing

00:43:41 ◼   ► benefits but second of all the people

00:43:44 ◼   ► who need it the most

00:43:45 ◼   ► the men who are asking themselves these

00:43:46 ◼   ► questions the men to men who are the men

00:43:49 ◼   ► who are asking mi of a caliber of

00:43:52 ◼   ► somebody who would want to hang out with

00:43:53 ◼   ► me i think i think you're not always

00:43:55 ◼   ► getting the help you need let alone the

00:43:56 ◼   ► audience just don't know how you do that

00:43:58 ◼   ► I don't know you hate playing benefits

00:44:00 ◼   ► you be very you don't hate plan benefits

00:44:02 ◼   ► I think you should be very clear about

00:44:03 ◼   ► you hate had a sort of the hypocrisy of

00:44:05 ◼   ► not paying the band for benefits and I

00:44:08 ◼   ► have to imagine the John washer doesn't

00:44:09 ◼   ► like people either

00:44:10 ◼   ► yeah i mean i don't hate not being the

00:44:12 ◼   ► band for benefits i just hate paying

00:44:15 ◼   ► everybody but the band for benefits

00:44:17 ◼   ► right i mean that what i wrote that

00:44:19 ◼   ► article for the weekly just saying hey

00:44:21 ◼   ► if you're if it's a benefit then

00:44:23 ◼   ► everybody should work for free if it's a

00:44:25 ◼   ► benefit and all the production people

00:44:27 ◼   ► and the promoters are getting paid

00:44:30 ◼   ► ya know just to clear their money aware

00:44:34 ◼   ► this may be the third or fourth time are

00:44:35 ◼   ► is heard it but I would see you

00:44:37 ◼   ► republished it in the weekly after after

00:44:40 ◼   ► having run it several times in my

00:44:41 ◼   ► kitchen 5 i've read this particular

00:44:44 ◼   ► article on numerous occasions before it

00:44:47 ◼   ► was ever in whatever print is now I

00:44:49 ◼   ► think the version but that I that I

00:44:51 ◼   ► wrote in your kitchen was the was the

00:44:54 ◼   ► best version it had a lot more efforts

00:44:56 ◼   ► and i had to water it down for a lot of

00:44:58 ◼   ► water there's a movie called rules of

00:45:00 ◼   ► the game and sports i hope not

00:45:04 ◼   ► it's a very old mostly read more but i

00:45:07 ◼   ► always get the name wrong that is great

00:45:08 ◼   ► quote from a movie

00:45:09 ◼   ► the awful thing about life is this

00:45:13 ◼   ► everyone has his reasons and I I for

00:45:16 ◼   ► some reason I find that quote kind of

00:45:18 ◼   ► Intel apply to google to get the exact

00:45:19 ◼   ► wording right but the awful thing about

00:45:21 ◼   ► life is this everyone has his reasons

00:45:22 ◼   ► and I think that's a lot of what you're

00:45:24 ◼   ► saying I think everybody has their

00:45:25 ◼   ► reasons this is not a value judgment but

00:45:27 ◼   ► i think i think the person who's

00:45:29 ◼   ► standing in the middle of the fucking

00:45:31 ◼   ► aisle while I just want to get some

00:45:32 ◼   ► fucking pasta I can see it it's right

00:45:35 ◼   ► there I could see it i could see the

00:45:36 ◼   ► brand i got the kind i want the thing i

00:45:39 ◼   ► don't want the vermicelli and I want the

00:45:40 ◼   ► fat one in between I could see it right

00:45:41 ◼   ► there but you know what you're standing

00:45:43 ◼   ► there you're saying because you're

00:45:44 ◼   ► having some kind of little little moment

00:45:45 ◼   ► now I've got my reasons which is that

00:45:47 ◼   ► i'm correct and i have a child I need to

00:45:50 ◼   ► feed ya have limited amount of time that

00:45:52 ◼   ► I would rather not spend staring at the

00:45:54 ◼   ► back of your fucking head while you

00:45:56 ◼   ► smelling room I could die here behind

00:45:58 ◼   ► you

00:45:58 ◼   ► yeah now that person probably has there

00:46:00 ◼   ► is no their reasons are probably wrong

00:46:01 ◼   ► to testifying a little bit i think but

00:46:03 ◼   ► but but go on

00:46:04 ◼   ► well not nothing I don't think

00:46:05 ◼   ► internment away before no no I don't

00:46:07 ◼   ► think you're being dramatic of course

00:46:08 ◼   ► you couldn't marry again being very

00:46:10 ◼   ► even-keeled yeah I and that person wrong

00:46:14 ◼   ► as the reasons are probably does have

00:46:17 ◼   ► their reasons i doubt they have thought

00:46:18 ◼   ► it through as thoroughly as i have and i

00:46:20 ◼   ► doubt that they feel the certainty in

00:46:23 ◼   ► their black heart yet i have in my very

00:46:25 ◼   ► uh kind of off-white one

00:46:27 ◼   ► yeah I don't think better off without

00:46:30 ◼   ► flat-band get away from her

00:46:32 ◼   ► I'm afraid nothing off white is a color

00:46:34 ◼   ► you she's not sure that that's a pretty

00:46:36 ◼   ► good name for something wrong color for

00:46:38 ◼   ► a heart

00:46:39 ◼   ► I don't know I don't know I just the

00:46:40 ◼   ► thing is I'm here putting that decision

00:46:42 ◼   ► I have a version of that same idea and

00:46:44 ◼   ► it's a paraphrase I don't remember who

00:46:45 ◼   ► said the original thing probably yet or

00:46:49 ◼   ► or one of the great men of history one

00:46:52 ◼   ► of the one of the men like me right and

00:46:55 ◼   ► I don't when I say man I don't mean to

00:46:56 ◼   ► exclude women now I just it's pretty

00:46:59 ◼   ► much man

00:47:00 ◼   ► I trusting I just like to include women

00:47:02 ◼   ► under the overarching category of men

00:47:05 ◼   ► right men men kind including women

00:47:09 ◼   ► supinator students and that sort of

00:47:13 ◼   ► frequently come out in the terms and a

00:47:15 ◼   ► dependent clause that probably could

00:47:17 ◼   ► have been mostly left out

00:47:18 ◼   ► yes well you're gonna bleep all that

00:47:20 ◼   ► anyway but uh but but the idea that i

00:47:23 ◼   ► carry around is that everybody is have

00:47:26 ◼   ► a difficult day like if you are having a

00:47:31 ◼   ► difficult day you can pretty much rest

00:47:33 ◼   ► assured that everyone else is also

00:47:35 ◼   ► struggling to get through today and get

00:47:38 ◼   ► home and do whatever they do and it is a

00:47:43 ◼   ► it is it's a kind of shorthand that

00:47:47 ◼   ► keeps me in an empathetic posture even

00:47:53 ◼   ► surrounded as I am by morons and tools

00:47:57 ◼   ► to know that they also are struggling

00:48:00 ◼   ► and that they're that the fact that they

00:48:01 ◼   ► are a moron only makes it harder for

00:48:04 ◼   ► them and it increases the this up my

00:48:08 ◼   ► sympathetic feeling so that I don't

00:48:11 ◼   ► resort to murder also double murder or

00:48:16 ◼   ► justifiable homicide or or even just

00:48:18 ◼   ► steaming I mean my biggest problem in

00:48:22 ◼   ► life it's steaming I spend so much time

00:48:25 ◼   ► steaming and and I frankly my broccoli

00:48:31 ◼   ► is limp from over steamed king- uh-huh

00:48:37 ◼   ► but i but seriously I just can't turn it

00:48:40 ◼   ► off

00:48:41 ◼   ► there's no no the house just like valve

00:48:43 ◼   ► right now Merlin I swear to you I am

00:48:45 ◼   ► feuding with a half a dozen piece of

00:48:48 ◼   ► people and at least four of those six

00:48:51 ◼   ► people don't know that we're in a feud

00:48:54 ◼   ► I'm sitting here steaming about

00:48:56 ◼   ► something steaming and there blindly

00:49:00 ◼   ► going about their lives talking about

00:49:03 ◼   ► knowing this AR the constant source of

00:49:05 ◼   ► steam

00:49:06 ◼   ► yeah yeah I'm pissed at them for

00:49:08 ◼   ► something generally it's that I'm pissed

00:49:10 ◼   ► at them because they didn't they owe me

00:49:12 ◼   ► a phone call made and now it's too late

00:49:14 ◼   ► now when they call I won't accept the

00:49:16 ◼   ► call because they screwed up somehow and

00:49:21 ◼   ► that's steaming is no good you know

00:49:23 ◼   ► that's

00:49:24 ◼   ► I should go to an Alcoholics Anonymous

00:49:26 ◼   ► meeting and talk about those who don't

00:49:28 ◼   ► do that don't do that

00:49:30 ◼   ► I I i just want to point out one thing

00:49:33 ◼   ► I'm not saying I'm not saying that

00:49:36 ◼   ► because we are both right everybody has

00:49:39 ◼   ► to be wrong because i'm not going to

00:49:41 ◼   ► actually say that that's valid I think

00:49:43 ◼   ► that's you can apply that if you have

00:49:44 ◼   ► half a fucking brain

00:49:45 ◼   ► I don't need to say that because that's

00:49:47 ◼   ► gonna make us look bad but you should be

00:49:49 ◼   ► able to pick that up that's a ok but

00:49:51 ◼   ► here's the thing this is B and this is

00:49:52 ◼   ► what you and I have in common and most

00:49:54 ◼   ► people need to get in common with us is

00:49:57 ◼   ► what we're not saying that what you're

00:49:59 ◼   ► doing is wrong per se accepted as much

00:50:02 ◼   ► as it is wrong it's just more that what

00:50:04 ◼   ► we're saying is that our paths that we

00:50:06 ◼   ► are introducing to you keep moving and

00:50:08 ◼   ► get out of the way it helps everybody

00:50:09 ◼   ► there's nothing about I defy you as one

00:50:13 ◼   ► of the people who needs our help to say

00:50:15 ◼   ► you show me one part of keep moving and

00:50:17 ◼   ► get out of the way that harms people

00:50:18 ◼   ► right

00:50:19 ◼   ► nothing well think about it does it's a

00:50:21 ◼   ► Hippocratic it doesn't know only of

00:50:23 ◼   ► moving and get out of the way is that

00:50:24 ◼   ► you can continue to do your stupid

00:50:27 ◼   ► thinking within the context of either

00:50:31 ◼   ► moving or getting out of way

00:50:33 ◼   ► take your time you can you could be full

00:50:35 ◼   ► of your own stupid thoughts

00:50:37 ◼   ► yep and yet also be either moving or out

00:50:41 ◼   ► of the way

00:50:42 ◼   ► yep and so that cart turns yeah yeah I

00:50:45 ◼   ► what we I think we've reduced it now to

00:50:50 ◼   ► the the colonel

00:50:52 ◼   ► yes and I have to say trying to think

00:50:56 ◼   ► about the grand unification theory this

00:50:59 ◼   ► is the thing about Stephen Hawking boy

00:51:01 ◼   ► if if his grand unification theory or

00:51:06 ◼   ► whoever comes up with that final grand

00:51:08 ◼   ► unification theory that that that unites

00:51:11 ◼   ► macro physics with microbiology and it

00:51:15 ◼   ► doesn't include keep moving or get out

00:51:19 ◼   ► of the way it cannot be exclusive of

00:51:22 ◼   ► keep moving or get out of the way right

00:51:24 ◼   ► because that is a that is a core truth

00:51:27 ◼   ► and so that truth should also be present

00:51:30 ◼   ► in the the in in orbiting bodies large

00:51:35 ◼   ► and small

00:51:36 ◼   ► it's absolutely true and i can remember

00:51:39 ◼   ► it's a theological theological argument

00:51:41 ◼   ► design it's one of those arguments it's

00:51:43 ◼   ► one of those arguments we're getting you

00:51:45 ◼   ► no good god must exist because he not

00:51:47 ◼   ► the ontological but like as because

00:51:49 ◼   ► God's cool it's one of those it's to

00:51:51 ◼   ► Descartes thing I don't make us because

00:51:53 ◼   ► God's cool that they can I came from

00:51:57 ◼   ► actually from st. Thomas Aquinas region

00:51:59 ◼   ► originally but he I think improved on it

00:52:02 ◼   ► here's the thing though this is what the

00:52:03 ◼   ► Liberals need the liberals don't have

00:52:05 ◼   ► this first far they lack are cocksure

00:52:06 ◼   ► sense of certainty right they sometimes

00:52:09 ◼   ► are sure but they very seldom put the

00:52:10 ◼   ► cock in it and that is part of the

00:52:12 ◼   ► problem

00:52:12 ◼   ► ok now here's the other thing with the

00:52:14 ◼   ► pocket that's another record that's

00:52:16 ◼   ► that's true that's well I don't know

00:52:18 ◼   ► Hawking talking doesn't work blue very

00:52:20 ◼   ► much

00:52:21 ◼   ► here's here's the problem and this is

00:52:22 ◼   ► this go straight to the Hawking I think

00:52:24 ◼   ► it's straight to the movies and straight

00:52:25 ◼   ► to the Liberals is that is that if

00:52:28 ◼   ► you're going to have this supernal

00:52:30 ◼   ► approach to things we are basically

00:52:32 ◼   ► walking around like open everything

00:52:33 ◼   ► turns out okay and don't question

00:52:35 ◼   ► anything you could do a lot worse than

00:52:37 ◼   ► to make your your your Bureau your kind

00:52:40 ◼   ► of BS political belt and Chong you could

00:52:43 ◼   ► do a lot worse than making it about keep

00:52:45 ◼   ► moving and get out of the way and in

00:52:47 ◼   ► fact if I could take it in turn it

00:52:48 ◼   ► briefly i think that is the message that

00:52:50 ◼   ► most of these people in place need to

00:52:51 ◼   ► hear which is you my friend need to

00:52:53 ◼   ► either keep moving or you need to get

00:52:54 ◼   ► out of the way and possibly both

00:52:56 ◼   ► right well the message the problem with

00:52:59 ◼   ► the flow with the fleece people is that

00:53:02 ◼   ► they they have they taken it as their

00:53:06 ◼   ► responsibility to speak on behalf of all

00:53:09 ◼   ► the people who they believe cannot

00:53:12 ◼   ► either keep moving or get out of the way

00:53:15 ◼   ► because of some disadvantage that these

00:53:18 ◼   ► other people have or because of the fact

00:53:21 ◼   ► that they simply need an advocate and

00:53:24 ◼   ► the police people are the self-appointed

00:53:26 ◼   ► advocates of all the great many people

00:53:30 ◼   ► who either cannot keep moving or get out

00:53:32 ◼   ► of the way and the the problem is that

00:53:35 ◼   ► there is no one who cannot either keep

00:53:38 ◼   ► moving or get out of the way it's not

00:53:40 ◼   ► hurting anybody except you keep moving

00:53:42 ◼   ► and get out of the way the fleece people

00:53:44 ◼   ► as soon as they hear that they think

00:53:46 ◼   ► well what about the people who can't

00:53:48 ◼   ► keep moving

00:53:48 ◼   ► right without our people without ever

00:53:50 ◼   ► examining the fact that those people

00:53:52 ◼   ► that you are supposedly quote-unquote

00:53:55 ◼   ► defending could actually benefit to

00:53:58 ◼   ► begin with from both keeping moving and

00:54:00 ◼   ► getting out of the way but also you know

00:54:02 ◼   ► what maybe they don't need somebody who

00:54:03 ◼   ► shops at whole foods to help explain

00:54:05 ◼   ► their life to other people

00:54:06 ◼   ► well that and that's what we that's the

00:54:08 ◼   ► problem we get into so now not only

00:54:09 ◼   ► there's the original person who needs to

00:54:11 ◼   ► lose either keep moving and economically

00:54:14 ◼   ► and now there's meeting everyone

00:54:15 ◼   ► now there's a person in there now

00:54:18 ◼   ► there's a fleecy beardy person and his

00:54:21 ◼   ► wife with that with the big hoop

00:54:23 ◼   ► earrings and the Guatemalan purse she

00:54:26 ◼   ► made the earring she's thinking of doing

00:54:27 ◼   ► it as a business and they're standing

00:54:29 ◼   ► there now they're standing there with

00:54:31 ◼   ► the with the original person who should

00:54:33 ◼   ► have kept moving or getting out of the

00:54:34 ◼   ► way and they're they're trying to argue

00:54:36 ◼   ► with you about how this person you know

00:54:39 ◼   ► how they need an extra minute or how

00:54:41 ◼   ► this person shouldn't be asked to you

00:54:43 ◼   ► know they don't understand what you mean

00:54:45 ◼   ► or and this I don't they saw something

00:54:48 ◼   ► in the nation and with some statistics

00:54:50 ◼   ► about both getting out of the way and

00:54:53 ◼   ► keeping moving

00:54:54 ◼   ► yeah there's a whole European influence

00:54:56 ◼   ► from back in the you know 1,500 here you

00:54:58 ◼   ► got a whole cortez the killer thing

00:54:59 ◼   ► going on

00:55:00 ◼   ► well the presumption is that that you're

00:55:03 ◼   ► you you're getting out of the way of

00:55:04 ◼   ► someone who's superior minutes it

00:55:06 ◼   ► instantly becomes a Marxist problem yeah

00:55:10 ◼   ► there's nothing to overthink your John

00:55:12 ◼   ► does your dad is nothing to overthink

00:55:14 ◼   ► this is this is empirical it's a priori

00:55:17 ◼   ► yeah be safe to say that but you know

00:55:19 ◼   ► that the police people will other police

00:55:22 ◼   ► people would overthink

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00:55:33 ◼   ► I've done