01: “Keep Moving and Get Out of the Way”
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hello how are you hello Merlin I'm late
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again it's alright i'm usually late to
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everything so this is my just deserts
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are you you seem like a late person it's
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not that I'm late it's that it's that I
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don't get there on time okay and that's
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because I don't leave the house with
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enough time to get where I'm going and I
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don't think that's the same as being
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I think that's I think that is a that is
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a big question that has more to do with
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like how you perceive space and time so
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it's it's more of a science problem
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yes yeah i mean the thing i was in order
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for you to be late you would have to
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have some interest in other people i
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think how what would that be like I
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don't know honey this book probably
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wikipedia it's been like if you were
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late you would be kind of conscious of
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the fact that there are other people
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that had things you need to do and I
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don't think you and I suffer from that I
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think that the results a lot of people
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back there constantly thinking like how
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will this house affect other people
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right who cares is my first time they
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assume that they think that I wouldn't
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yeah right well other people right there
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the problem I'll clearly uh-huh yeah I
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mean you know should be a breeze
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you know for all the all those other
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people well this is the thing I'll i
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leave the house if I have somewhere to
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go I leave the house in plenty of time
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to get there if there weren't other
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people clogging the roads necessitating
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stoplights right if there were not other
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people clogging the roads there would
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not need to be stoplights so I'm talking
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coming here your roads by roads i have a
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sense of how long it takes for me to get
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from hearsay to the University of
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Washington and that takes nine minutes
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but if there are other people on the
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roads which there so often are then it
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takes anywhere from 15 to 20 minutes
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which is infuriating so i usually leave
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here with nine minutes just despair
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sometimes 10 if I if I feel like I wanna
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take a stroll in my car and the building
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it's never enough time people people
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related delays I i struggle with it i
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used to be eternally late person and I
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spent many a years of my life with a bus
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or a partner who was the top permanently
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late like just crazy like you're
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supposed to be there at dinner for six
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people and you arrive like as deserves
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being served like offensively late and I
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became sensitive about it because I felt
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badly and something it's her but that's
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just that was like that was a you know /
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flaw and I was a flaw that i shared and
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together it was terrible
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that's so a lot of relationships get
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weird right you're both terrible at the
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same thing and now I'm really sensitive
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about it but i'm not i haven't gotten
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that great at it i feel like i do what
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you do i think is I in my head I got an
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idea of the greatest conceivable time
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I've ever made to do this yeah right you
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must understand why you have done
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yeah right like you're in your big blue
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van you're driving around you gotta go
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from place to place show to show you
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must have some idea in your head
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well it would never take more than five
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hours to get to austin one time I made
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it in two hours so therefore up I'd be
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there about an hour-and-a-half yeah you
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may not do that cuz you gotta do it for
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your job but like I feel like I do that
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all the time I think oh I've got time to
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get a coffee or I've got time to go stop
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by the office into this thing right
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animal case why the time to sleep for 20
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more minutes and take a stroll
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i'm very curious about something you
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said a moment ago which is that that to
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people who have the two people with the
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same that they do the same things badly
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that's how relationships can we get
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weird that that a that resonated with me
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and ethical to experience
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I'm not sure I I think I mean I hadn't
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thought about it but I i would still
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just this moment it's never occurred to
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me that I did anything bad in any of my
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relationships no I think that's a core
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competency for yeah exactly i'm now I'm
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wondering right wow I always thought it
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was that she did everything bad now I'm
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starting to consider the possibility
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that maybe yeah when the colts not
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making sailboats right they say look we
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were the cook people we make the coke
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let other people make the sailboats why
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would you try to sell cool right yeah
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oh just saying I think the cocaine
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people do make sailboats
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oh sure and like brats prop planes
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yeah well or at least they say
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reengineer sailboats second i should
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think about this more but there's
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probably something to it
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I always felt like if you could well the
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good things that would be terrible
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different things is a good idea but I've
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always believed that you should both be
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able to mostly put up with the same
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stuff I think that's helpful but the
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problem is like for example if you're
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both messy then there's never any
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countervailing force to make the
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housetop being messy it becomes
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synergistically messy right but the
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problem with that is if one person is
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messy and one person's clean then you're
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out war in a different way
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I mean I I felt this about about
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introversion and extraversion because as
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I think you and I have talked about this
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but i'm i'm a very introverted person
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despite being a an entertainer and for
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many years I thought the pan entertainer
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did you snicker at entertainer I find
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extremely entertaining but being
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especially when you're off stage but now
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it is very introverted part no no I'm i
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think i am an introvert and and that the
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definition i use the description i use
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of that is that if you if you find a
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room full of people no matter how much
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you're enjoying the experience are
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enjoying their company if you find a
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room full of people ultimately draining
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and you want to and you need to get away
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and get a loan in order to recharge
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okay then you're an introvert and
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compared to somebody who finds a room
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full of people invigorating and they
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hate to be alone and they want to be in
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other people's company and they find
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that they find that's how they charge
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their batteries
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uh-huh that's my definition ok it takes
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a little self-serving no I mean I i
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would want to hear a little how you
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contrast that with a like a psychotic
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loner or sociopath mclonergan sexy i'd
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say that that person was an introvert
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also sure but in any case I transferred
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it had tried for a long time to only
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date other introverted people because i
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was tired because i didn't like
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extroverts making demands on my time and
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space but i found that one year in a
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relationship even with another
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introverted the person who is most
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introverted becomes the introvert in the
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relationship and even another
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introverted will exhibit extroverted
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tendencies in relationship to the other
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person right so that so this in this
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person who would normally be like Oh
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leave me alone I kind of just want to be
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by myself is suddenly in the posture of
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like why don't you ever want to do
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anything or why don't you ever want to
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just hang out and why don't we ever move
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it seems got on a molecular level it
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seems like there should be some kind of
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cancelling out going on with you got a
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very messy person who is with a very
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clean person I think I i think the
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molecular science would say that
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therefore you would have an average
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yeah place of it i think they practice
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that's not the case
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yeah relationship and human beings
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consistently fail to be some scientific
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you know like it and that's the problem
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with psychology psychology keeps for 450
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years as presented itself as a science
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and there's really no there's no
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demonstrable proof that any of it is is
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working it's just it's just a lot of
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just a lot of jabber jaws you think it's
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a lot easier to get some and make a
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make-believe science
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no I don't know if it's a science as
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much as it is like well so where's the
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line between a psychologist and a
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hmm alrighty that's the ash had a
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yeah that's the psychologist is is is
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using the same techniques of talking and
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listening to her but there but they're
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undergirding it with some sense that
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they have a scientific tool box there
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listening but they're listening with a
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scientific tool box rather than
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listening with compassion or something
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and I said what you mean are you saying
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you're saying that there but you're
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talking about like a clinical soar like
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a practicing psychologist as opposed to
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like a scholarly psychologist you're
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saying how is that different from a
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minister and minister is somebody who
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comes in and is a as a student of the
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mind and the heart to try and give
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people comfort and so you're talking
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psychologists more like in terms of like
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a therapist like somebody who would help
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you feel better
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well but what is what is what is a like
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an academic psychologist if not a just
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someone teaching practical psychologists
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i guess i don't know I'm hmm it seems it
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seems to me that that there for for many
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many years the the whole premise of the
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mental health industry was based on a
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reading of Freud and people spent
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decades saying that a lot of the lot of
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women's insecurity was based on the fact
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that they had penis and B and then one
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day we decided that that was not true
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uh-huh in fact it was silly but we
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didn't we didn't throw the the Freud out
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with the bathwater now and now we think
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that you know everybody has you know
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that people's Institute
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30 is based on I don't know what my god
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they're the book stores are full of the
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most of their shelves of books talking
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about your insecurities and the root
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causes of it was funny those if you go
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back you look at Aristotle or Descartes
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her are a lot of those heavy hitters
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back in the day people who laid the
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groundwork for obviously philosophy but
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really also for science I mean it's not
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what we would call science today but but
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back then philosophy was was I think
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seen as part of science it was a way of
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understanding you know how the mind
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works how the universe worked and it
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seems like a lot of it was based on
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these physicalities things like
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eventually come to me things like humors
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and stuff like that but there were all
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these like Theodoric of York kind of
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ways to explain based on the physical
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things like what why the mental things
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happen and the funny thing with the
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fried stuff is it seemed to more and
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more yeah you could say well this
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woman's the reason this woman is
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hysterical from the Greek is because she
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has a uterus so clearly she's crazy if i
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had a universe i would be hysterical to
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sure and she wants a wenis on top of it
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that's awkward you know but it's funny
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because now we're back around to the to
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the to the body stuff where it is it is
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very much it seems to be much more about
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pipes and wires
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yeah it's just a black bile is rising up
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dinner right
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what about you call now I get confused
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because because i think i've read too
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many reviews of REM albums early mm
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there's some words rhyme not shifting
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bodily humors are ways of describing a
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so you not know that the quick pop quiz
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bee call it was because be colic one of
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the memories no bucolic is like a
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pastoral setting up my second line as
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your pastoral is not humor no okay no
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problem attic automatic is yes that's
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what about birds ask birds ask yelling
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like that style of the birds
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no I think that's in the same family as
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bucolic ok it's birds ask
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you know that's the thing is I I
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understand what everybody wants to
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explain everything I think you could
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argue that you and I i would also like
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to try and explain everything but you
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know what it is with science its to tell
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the certainty I'm troubled by the
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certainty like to me good science should
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always be going but you know I could be
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yeah I am see I'm guilty of that I'm
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guilty of using psychology to explain
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myself and other people with a with a
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with a fair degree of certainty and I
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think I think I keep in the back of my
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mind the the constant idea that i'm i'm
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just guessing but I don't always let the
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other person o.o i think i think that
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what I'm saying is just a theory
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I say it as though i really believe that
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what's the point that's good writing
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good writing exactly
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good good writing is you know is I'm
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habit the viewpoint that's correct
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that's correct
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mmm yeah yeah but I'm sitting across
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from somebody saying you know your
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fucking problem is yes it's a little bit
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harder for them to see that i'm just
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playing a character and in this case
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it's the character of somebody who knows
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what they're fucking problem is that's a
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good point it is it's it's def a good
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point sense of that is a really big
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problem with you
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uh-huh yeah but I think it's a problem
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with the with the world i mean like i
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say i'm not necessarily that's the
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second one just for curious what's your
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problem with you
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yeah but no one is a problem i really
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mean opportunities to ya opportunities
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take exciting interrupting John how's
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that how is that a problem with the rest
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of the world haha
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the problem with the rest of the world
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is the rest of the world is not
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listening carefully to me now the
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problem is that the there are a lot of
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people who put their their dumb theories
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down advance their dumb theories in
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their dumb books but they don't in order
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to sell a book you don't say on the last
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page but maybe everything i just wrote
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is just a dumb theory that I
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what up so I think for yourself love the
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author is not that much money in saying
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but I could be wrong right so so so
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these books go out and and gullible
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people read them and they think oh now I
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know and they don't know anything
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yeah or you know or or what it is again
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it's a toolbox and and and it's only as
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good as the carpenter your toolbox is
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only as good as your carpenter ii the
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same toolbox that psychologists
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listening with I just
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hey how a little piece of paper here i
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wanna make sure I'm keeping all these
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straight but I think I think I think
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it's problematic
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I think all this is problematic I think
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more people should be like John Roderick
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and and just say that it a thing is a
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thing but on the other hand i'm also
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have my motto
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yes chuckling that's right service work
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is the thing that troubles me I think
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with a lot of this the science stuff is
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it's not science
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I mean anybody who's out there doing
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straight science a lot of them are well
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first of all they probably working on
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boner drugs a lot of them got them thank
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God but they but I mean if you're doing
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straight science you really are doing a
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kind of you know existential improv
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we're trying to stop you're seeing what
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happens you're saying well here's what
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we know and part of being a good
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scientist it seems to me is to be able
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to go away I but here's the thing we
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said but here's that doesn't mean all
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these other things there's not this ergo
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thing that I because I said that then
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necessarily all these other things with
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that way the exams feels like good
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science says a very specific thing based
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on evidence in context and I feel like
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the context gets left out you know and
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this is why so much of the quote-unquote
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research that you hear on you know in
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newspapers and NPR is is so goofy a lot
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of the time the first of all it's been
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it's been strained and drain through all
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these different sources and a lot of
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times i bet the people who conducted the
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primary research we go how in the hell
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did this ever become like don't use
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aluminum pans anymore
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yeah right i don't know if that's true
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but like I don't know what psychology
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stuff it's hard and it seems like it's
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almost like what like optometrists and
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Dennis and stuff it's like
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chiropodist thank you the further you
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are from like serious science the more
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serious we become the more you demand of
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course the height of this being phd's
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demanding that they be called dr. right
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yeah right for bastards call somebody
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with a PhD dr arrogant bastards yes I
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think it right on the diploma
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I feel like real scientists are people
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who are combining baking powder and
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vinegar and making volcanoes and as you
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as you stray from that core science
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original science of volcano
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manufacturing it just gets into fruity
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pebbles out there in every direction and
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at and in all honesty I think that
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adulthood is a process of becoming
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comfortable with ambiguity and i know
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this about you that you are comfortable
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with a certain amount of ambiguity
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yeah i know i was i was trying to trying
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to be nice to draw on that out i know i
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know you're not comfortable with
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ambiguity but I aspire to be comfortable
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with a certain amount of ambiguity
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because i know that i know that much the
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life that I perceive is really a
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television show that I've been living in
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since I was a little kid and so I don't
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want to get caught masturbating because
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you're an introvert well being an
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introvert is not easy it's really not
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know and I know a lot of the people
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listening to this podcast are introverts
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because that is by definition who
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listens to podcasts people who like to
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hear other people's voices only through
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their car stereo speakers right rather
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than having people sitting in the car
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with them talking to them know where you
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come up with this stuff
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it's it's just a theory um I think in
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some ways the people who are most loudly
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saying things like in our case we're not
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where we are scientists of a kind I
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imagine you know scientists sizes and
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not in the sense of science but in a
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sense of the you know a social
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yeah we're sky interests we know person
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that's good that is that is good where
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blue sky and tests we understand that
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should be we understand how people
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should behave we understand the the like
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Mitzi and best of all possible worlds
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that should exist
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yeah we're actually just here to help
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where the pan gloss overs playing
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glossary so I got nothing
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the odd so the problem is that sometimes
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with people who put things most most
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strongly but you know what
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it's part of the I think you got your
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copy this the contrarian screed the road
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where if you can find you know invented
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sarcasm if you are if you can find any
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hole in any of it doesn't matter whether
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you agree with it or not you just got to
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go explore the whole if you don't mind
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my saying and i think that's that's a
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big part of it is is you might your i
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might say the most ridiculous bombastic
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thing in the world
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just just to say that thing but then
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you're okay arguing about and eventually
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going home you know maybe it is this
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other thing and what bugs me is the
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personal brand stuff we're like you're
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not allowed to you know if you're gonna
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be on brand you're going to be that guy
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who put out that useless book or you're
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going to be this person who's putting
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out this useful study that like you're
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going to be harmed if anything about it
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is shown to be incomplete inconsistent
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or untrue and then your whole world
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falls apart because you know what I mean
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look and that's the thing is they now
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you're dug in
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now you guys gotta defend that until
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he's dead I feel like in a way that's
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true that's true of liberalism now or
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that's true that's true of the whole
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liberal half of this country who are so
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on brand and over the years the brand
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has changed and every new addition to it
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the the Liberals feel like they need to
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embrace it and and anonymous eyes it and
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after a while the brand is so ungainly
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itself rife with internal contradictions
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that liberalism has become meaningless
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or if not meaningless at least it's it's
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a it's it's a multi-headed Hydra that
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can't possibly live it can't possibly
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subsist and he contrasted against
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conservatism which is just as balkanized
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but this isn't just some clear this is
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not going to be coming with the tea
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oh you don't want to talk about the Tea
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Party is a bridge to the tea party
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no I wasn't trying to bridge by where I
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don't interrupt you better this is you
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know this stuff is on my mind liberalism
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is on my mind I don't really give a fuck
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about the tea party right
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what I care about is liberalism and how
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to find some kind of liberalism that's
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that's that's that's livable and I feel
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like I feel like the Liberals that I
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know there are so many things so many
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tenants of liberalism that are off the
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table for talking about anymore because
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they're part of the brand you can't
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how comes almost becomes a little bit
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religious world absolutely wall that's
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all that's holding the family together
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right now is our belief in the wizard
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and there's these things is that if we
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if we start if we start trying to take
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out all the in essential parts of this
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or figure out what's debatable about
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what we'll discover is that everything
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that's left of liberalism today is a
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reaction to conservatives there's very
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little we're basically we whoever
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considers himself liberal I just I'm so
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not interested in politics i can
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articulate and yet and yet
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ah i think it's very true though that
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basically were missiles are basically
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like slightly advanced children they're
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like protein agers in the sense that
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they know everything they don't like
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they don't know that much about what
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they like and they know mostly about
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when they don't want to sit at the lunch
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table with somebody who doesn't know you
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know what what what the cool little
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thing to do is
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yeah I think that's true of the mass of
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all ppl nets made liberals more
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conservative than conservatives that
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kind of that kind of and it's and you
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need to look no further than the city
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that I live in to see how conservative
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can mean a lot more than your feelings
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on the gold standard what it can really
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mean is how didactic or how what's the
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word how canonical as you like to say
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you can become about saying no no here's
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the thing reactionary if you like like
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no this is the this is how we do these
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things and differing from that is taking
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this off-brand as you would say and it's
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and it's you don't mean it's really
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becoming more about like defending your
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your little house of hay from the the
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big bad wolf
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it's less about building thing you want
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to make and more about just reacting to
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what the rest of the world does
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yeah i i'm i'm now as i hear you talk in
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clock to agree with you that we
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shouldn't talk about politics that's
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awful it's awful people just feel what
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it's like for you to listen to people
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talk about anything it's very it's very
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hard to be nice to meet them and talk
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about anything I I don't want them kind
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of say I'm really glad I don't have to
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do the books for you on this but i'm
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just guessing that many potentially most
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people have not consulted you on whether
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they are even qualified to discuss many
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yeah driving i'm gonna guess driving
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yeah I know you feel very strongly about
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driving i do and there are a lot of
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terrible drivers out there too many can
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I i was going to try and get back to the
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relationship think that's too late now
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the driving thing you seem to feel very
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strongly about driving i know several
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friends that and I've gotten the feeling
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from you that has to do with your
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Alaskan background i think at one time
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you said you offered to I think put a
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broom stick up my ass because i wanted
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to drive i don't remember the exact
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context it's probably phrase you is in
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parlance with your types
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yeah but you know you grew up in Florida
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where I mean the highest elevation in
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Florida is like three phone books
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stacked on top of one another
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yeah so how would we know we don't even
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have rulers so we don't even know how
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was that is in inches or whatever you
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want you know how to drive you just you
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point the car and then and then start
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I don't know giving yourself a manicure
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and then you're at the here at you
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you've arrived and let's eat oranges
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I'm in Florida telling me why I'm in
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Florida is that baked into the culture
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there you got the gas you
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the gas at the gas know it's coming out
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last days is a part of it but there are
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some terrible drivers in Alaska to know
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I feel like it's a driving is driving as
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much more it's it it's very easy to be a
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driver it's very hard to be a good
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you have to understand you have to
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understand a lot of things you have them
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you have to be able to bring a lot of
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things to bear and you have to have
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peripheral vision and you have to be
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looking 20 seconds ahead and all these
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all these things that get in the way of
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people you know jamming out to
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Bananarama or whatever it is that people
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do in their cars you can see what
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channel is it out the implication that
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almost nobody but you is able to do well
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is that no I see good driver sometimes
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I'll be driving along a guy i'll drive
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by or sometimes you gotta wait you have
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a way for a handshake or something but
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much more like mmm
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and then he looks over it goes me it's
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like being a tough guy where you can
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guy's wiry he could be an ultimate
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fighter like you see somebody driving
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you might you might see a lady in the
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store and just go i can just tell she's
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a good driver
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yeah you just you watch a person
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navigate through their environment
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because you would've gotten too far
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grocery store you could probably tell I
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at least I can just say and I don't want
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to I don't want to go into the things we
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go into sometimes but in my neighborhood
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it's very clear is not a good driver
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just go to the grocery store right right
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well it's very clear who's not a good
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well if you can't navigate your way
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through a grocery store without
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inconveniencing other people know
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without without making yourself an
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obstacle should be a tribunal then
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you're a bad person there should just be
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there should be people there just taking
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you out of there
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I the Soylent Green people right i don't
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want my daughter this
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that's right well I don't even know if I
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want to eat that but i think i said to
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my daughter taught her this is the most
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important thing we must teach our
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children is the two rules of the grocery
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store you keep moving and you get out of
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the way if you know if you're not if
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you're not gonna keep moving
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get out of the way now here's what you
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need to get out of the way keep moving
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keep moving it out of the way that's a
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this is eight law everything you must
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know about the grocery store keep moving
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get out of the way if you can't do one
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to the other
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always always that should be that should
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be a t-shirt and and
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get out of the way should be I think
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what most people think of all the time
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and and even though i present as a
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fairly like as a fairly uh alpha
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personality let's say Who I am always
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thinking to myself do I need to get out
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of somebody's way you know i'm always
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looking in the rearview mirror I'm
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always walking around the grocery store
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answer the answer is not always yes on a
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variety of levels but the question is
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always there some people i don't get out
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of the way because they need to feel me
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in their way right moment anyway they
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don't realize that's right they don't
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understand it but it's good for them
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ultimately that I'm in their way but for
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instance I went to I went to a movie at
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an art house theater the other night and
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you know it's an arthouse it's a place
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called the Seven Gables in seattle
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average age of the of the people in this
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movie theater is 55 years old
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everyone is wearing some kind of
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Patagonia garment or some kind of thing
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from rei you know it's a very university
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audience of peanut butter carabiners
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some carabiners on people's keychains
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and they're there to watch a you know a
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small a smaller film not a widely
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released film and I swear to you there
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was more audience noise during this film
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which was a film about the Holocaust
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right i mean it's not a film that it's
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not like it's not a you get easily
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yelling at the screen in you know and
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I'm thinking to myself that this is let
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this audience is louder than the
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audience at a queen latifah film and
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it's because every person in the
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audience feels like they need to make
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some kind of some kind of audible
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response to every plot twists to every
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to every you know shocking moment
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everybody in the place has to go
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Oh mm oh yes oh
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well and you know and I felt like
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standing up in front of the screen and
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saying you people shut the fuck up like
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yeah you are this is not an audience
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participation film and you're you know
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the fact that you are grokking the the
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plot twist doesn't need to be punctuated
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with a little like a like a grown from
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you it's not different from what you're
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like you're in your grandparents yelling
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the answer on wheel of fortune
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well that's in the privacy of their own
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home but that right i mean that's the
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thing i mean you take a combination of
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the kind of like everybody gets to
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comment on everything aspects of the
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internet to find with the NPR honest of
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owning a lot of things from rei and and
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being used to be able to write letters
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to the new york times you go into a
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theater with that that's a deadly
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cocktail my friend
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yeah and I can't cause it was the x-men
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movie what was it the holocaust movie
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members there was the x-men movie have
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the whole you betcha she anything that
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has the Holocaust all go see is that
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right and what was that one about the
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Israeli it's kind of like a Munich
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except i was good about the the most sad
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Oh kill the bird who go to to kidnap the
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Mengele type doctor and they i won't
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give the Indiana spoilers no spoilers
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but see this gets us to a deeper problem
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John it's a much broader problem it's
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what ultimately wifey Rattray depression
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which is that nobody knows how to stand
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in line if you had to bring it down to
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well the one thing is we don't really
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know how to act around people anymore
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but the theater and all comes together
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in the theater the theater is the worst
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of humanity jammed into a room with
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sticky floors and it's everything on of
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the grocery store and grocery store
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might be worst if there was a grocery
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store that had a movie theater that
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would be the worst the absolute worst of
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it wouldn't be able to get your seat and
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people would be yelling this is a hell
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of a business model i think this this
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grocery store movie theater thing this
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like as a punitive thing it's like a
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beer pub pizza parlor movie theater
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except you're actually giving shopping
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done to you so you can have like Arsenal
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beers you come in you get if you can
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find your table first forget the foyer
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table you get past this lady here who is
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what about getting her free sample man
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i'm kind of explain something to you hi
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this is my daughter I hope she sees the
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my concern is that if you and the rest
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of the sand people do not move away from
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the tiny bits of sausage on toothpicks
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I will literally die in a dirty safeway
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standing behind somebody cheap and
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that's just not how I see this ending
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while ghostbusters 3 is playing on bom
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bom-bom that would be good when I took
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my daughter to one movie and it was
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excruciating
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I can't believe what is happening is
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this is a dumb like cliche but it's a
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unbearable to go to the movies setting
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aside the eighty dollars that cost the
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two of us to see Winnie the poop
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it was awful everything about it was
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awful the the commercials before the
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trailers were awful the trailers were
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awful to move it was all awful
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yeah and like you say it's like a queen
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latifah thing like everybody's yelling
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yelling and yelling stuff and talking
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and playing with their phones
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yeah well you know I think what it is is
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that sometime when we were kids the the
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school curriculum was still based on the
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premise that we were trying to beat the
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Russians to the moon even though we we
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already beat the Russians to the moon we
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were still reading those same math books
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we we wanted to get to the moon and we
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wanted them not to get to them yeah
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right we want to get a lot of work a lot
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of your face but then somewhere there in
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the in the seventies the allen all the
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vacation of America happened and
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suddenly everybody was an artist
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nobody was a nobody had a slide rule
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anymore nobody was trying to get us to
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the moon now everybody now everybody was
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free to be and we were all our little
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hearts needed to be set free and we
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needed to talk about our feelings and
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everybody needed to share and now we
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live in a we live in a nation of 350
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million of the most important people who
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nobody can wait in line nobody can admit
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for a second that maybe in the grand
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scheme of things they are a peon
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and they need to shut the fuck up and
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get in line and do their jobs and get
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out of the way of better drivers who are
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on their way to someplace and only have
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nine minutes to get there i think that i
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finally understand it ok it's really
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it's a problem with at least two levels
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this is the second level is that that
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the people are in your way
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they're making take way more than 9
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minutes you're not going to get the
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chance to have a walk or a nap there in
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John's way if i understand correctly the
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first much more broad problem we're
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never gonna get the problem to ensure we
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get the problem one is that people are
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literally not being forced to literally
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listen to you because you could that's
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part of the problem is people are
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getting kinda say John I think people
00:35:03
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are getting a mixed message and the
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mixed messages there are people besides
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John they're giving them advice if any
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advice and that your what you have to
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share with them is getting lost and
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missed all the voices and talking about
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feelings for her to say that is fair to
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say except that with the caveat that I
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don't really care if they're listening
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I just want them to be quiet while i'm
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talking you know if they are just
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sitting there just just dumb we watch it
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really got the movie it's the movie is
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it really the movies you
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the funds are talking during you there
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talking during me or there fidgeting
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even during me they should just be
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content if they if they can't understand
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what I'm saying they should just watch a
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dust mite floating floating through the
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air or something but they need no I
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think we need to return to us don't know
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what it is and I don't 15 model of like
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rulers on the knuckles we got a whole
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room full of kids that need a lot of
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please don't distract from that if you
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can if you cannot sit in your seat and
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listen to what John has to share with
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you then maybe me know what we will move
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down to the the room with the helmet
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kids because this is for people who are
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serious about life there's a phrase for
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this can i think and it and it isn't
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just it's not John centric the phrase is
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good citizenship sure good citizenship
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is listening to John yes
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I i said this to lots of people when
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they annoy me but I think there's a
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misconception also about the idea of
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etiquette or good manners and you go
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pick up any good book on etiquette or
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good manners and it will tell you this
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is not about yelling at people about
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where the fork is good manners and
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etiquette are about making other people
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feel at ease the whole reason that we
00:36:47
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have manners and we have etiquette is so
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that you don't have to feel
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uncomfortable about knowing which fork
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is for the shrimp it's not about
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browbeating people about which for the
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used incorrectly and I think that's a
00:36:58
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big part of the problem i think we're
00:37:00
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gonna get hung up we get hung up on all
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the what the rules part are without
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understanding why the rule existed and
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and and what's nice about rules as
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everybody agrees on what they are and
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then you get on with life and
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unfortunately now we we we got so
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fixated on the fact that the rules were
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based on on a bad system the rules were
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based on were imposed by by European
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colonialists or or imposed by rich
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people and that in principle was bad the
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rules favored the colonialists they
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favor the rich people but more
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importantly just the fact even the rules
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that were good that there were that were
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neutral the fact that they had come from
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these these bad people these oppressive
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people was enough to make 2222 not only
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question the rule but to assume that the
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rule was bad
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interesting that perhaps rules
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altogether are a bad idea because that's
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a fallacy central conceit of the
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colonial government
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well except that everybody's got rules
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look the so it's not the rules are no I
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don't think anybody assumed except for
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anarchists ends and people on 4chan I
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don't think anybody thinks that rules
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are bad it's just that they want to they
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want to make their own set of rules they
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want to make the rules they want to they
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want to cobble together some rules from
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the things that their parents told them
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that they didn't resent some of the
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crackpot ideas that they read in some
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magazines some things that came to them
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in a dream and one or two arbitrary
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things just to make other people
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you know just like keep people jumping
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and then people walk out of the door and
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they're like these are my rules and
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everybody get out of the way you know
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and and and it may sound like that's
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what i'm doing but that's not what I'm
00:38:53
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doing it all again that you're doing it
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at a much deeper level my rules are are
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my rules are ancient i'm using ancient
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mhm yes but i can't my rules can't
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compete with somebody who read the
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secret because Oprah told them to and
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now they've got a bunch of rules based
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on the secret that starts to really
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degrade the whole idea of what the rule
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is you know that at the point when you
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introduce that much magical thinking I
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gotta tell you buddy i think i think
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he's moving get out of the way I mean
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that's nothing for inflation rules that
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is you know that they really is it's
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like a sort of one of those rules like
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flush you know what flush
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it's okay flush right that's a good rule
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if it's yellow
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don't let it throw not seriously don't
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dumb if it's yellow flush that's your
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sure monic flush yeah that's it but if
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you live in a tree house is a cone
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these are these are things that we're
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passing on to our children you know if
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you make a mess clean it up you know if
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you read my if you're if you read mark
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twain all this is in there if you read
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if you read Hemingway it's all there
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yeah flush right i mean if Hemingway
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doesn't have a short story titled flush
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well he doesn't but he should have and I
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think I think that messages
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it's threaded through its thread through
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all cultures right right that it's
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difficult to not be able to get
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directions and you should flush I think
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it's there that's the old man and the
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sea right so you know it's have sympathy
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for men because it's sometimes hard to
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get an erection
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that's right that's that's one of the
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top ten rules Andy taciturn I mean why
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do you think I mean they're men get a
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bad rap but it's hard to be a man from
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women me well know from men to from you
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know these men that
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that is again so that's a no on all the
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thing or fleece thing I think it's an
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allen all the thing you could be I mean
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please PLEASE came directly from Alan
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please there was no fleece before Alan
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Alda you know I would I captain I don't
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know I wouldn't want to Calais no don't
00:41:09
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please don't use that word fallacy
00:41:11
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it's a it's got a dick right in the
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middle of it is that one of John were
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sisters word hates you get introduced me
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that guy may have met him he won't
00:41:18
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remember me but you gotta eat sounds
00:41:20
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like you guys are pals from the tree got
00:41:21
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any drum loops from that guy was really
00:41:24
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neat rom lives being pals with jon
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wurster is it's more difficult than it
00:41:28
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looks really well jon wurster is a very
00:41:31
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little monkey
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he's an extremely funny and extremely
00:41:34
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intelligent person who has carved a life
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for himself in rock and roll which is a
00:41:40
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world of morons and so jon wurster has
00:41:45
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done what a lot of smart people in
00:41:46
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rock-and-roll has done which is he's
00:41:48
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he's very careful not to he doesn't like
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put streamers up and balloons up just
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because you say something funny to him a
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couple of times you know he's not like
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oh my god hi be my friend you know use
00:42:02
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the heel height what did you do
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how'd you get in there who me yeah I
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wouldn't even I wouldn't even say I was
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in there I mean we we did a tour
00:42:10
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together and when and we like each other
00:42:12
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but it's there just announced to know I
00:42:15
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know he was playing drums in the jay
00:42:20
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farrar ben gibbard Jack Kerouac based
00:42:24
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side project band and I did I i did a
00:42:27
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tour with them
00:42:28
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that's right but I think jon wurster and
00:42:30
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I even though now we've known each other
00:42:32
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not you know known each other for a
00:42:34
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couple years we're still in the the the
00:42:37
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friendly circling stage where we say oh
00:42:43
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yes well there you are arched eyebrows
00:42:46
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yeah like snitches care after yeah
00:42:48
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there's a little bit of cheer sniffing
00:42:50
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and it's not i I don't I never I do not
00:42:53
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approach someone like jon wurster with
00:42:55
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the expectation that he is going to
00:42:59
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that i am one of the greatest living men
00:43:02
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see this is another one that that's the
00:43:05
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problem the problem again with my better
00:43:07
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but in his case of with somebody like
00:43:09
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jon wurster I don't you know I don't I
00:43:11
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don't consider a problem because jon
00:43:13
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wurster probably when he's lying in bed
00:43:16
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at night also suspect that he may be one
00:43:18
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of the greatest living men and there's
00:43:20
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not a lot of room in town for too many
00:43:24
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greatest living men you can't have that
00:43:26
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many of them in the same small western
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town or there's gonna be a gunfight
00:43:31
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absolutely the pity of it is that
00:43:33
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because of the nature of this challenge
00:43:35
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is you'll never be able to have a
00:43:37
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benefit to help these men because first
00:43:40
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of all you all of you guys hate playing
00:43:41
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benefits but second of all the people
00:43:44
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who need it the most
00:43:45
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the men who are asking themselves these
00:43:46
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questions the men to men who are the men
00:43:49
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who are asking mi of a caliber of
00:43:52
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somebody who would want to hang out with
00:43:53
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me i think i think you're not always
00:43:55
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getting the help you need let alone the
00:43:56
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audience just don't know how you do that
00:43:58
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I don't know you hate playing benefits
00:44:00
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you be very you don't hate plan benefits
00:44:02
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I think you should be very clear about
00:44:03
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you hate had a sort of the hypocrisy of
00:44:05
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not paying the band for benefits and I
00:44:08
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have to imagine the John washer doesn't
00:44:09
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like people either
00:44:10
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yeah i mean i don't hate not being the
00:44:12
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band for benefits i just hate paying
00:44:15
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►
everybody but the band for benefits
00:44:17
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right i mean that what i wrote that
00:44:19
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article for the weekly just saying hey
00:44:21
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if you're if it's a benefit then
00:44:23
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everybody should work for free if it's a
00:44:25
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benefit and all the production people
00:44:27
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and the promoters are getting paid
00:44:30
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ya know just to clear their money aware
00:44:34
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this may be the third or fourth time are
00:44:35
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is heard it but I would see you
00:44:37
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republished it in the weekly after after
00:44:40
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having run it several times in my
00:44:41
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kitchen 5 i've read this particular
00:44:44
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article on numerous occasions before it
00:44:47
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was ever in whatever print is now I
00:44:49
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think the version but that I that I
00:44:51
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wrote in your kitchen was the was the
00:44:54
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best version it had a lot more efforts
00:44:56
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and i had to water it down for a lot of
00:44:58
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water there's a movie called rules of
00:45:00
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the game and sports i hope not
00:45:04
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►
it's a very old mostly read more but i
00:45:07
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always get the name wrong that is great
00:45:08
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►
quote from a movie
00:45:09
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the awful thing about life is this
00:45:13
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everyone has his reasons and I I for
00:45:16
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►
some reason I find that quote kind of
00:45:18
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►
Intel apply to google to get the exact
00:45:19
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►
wording right but the awful thing about
00:45:21
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life is this everyone has his reasons
00:45:22
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►
and I think that's a lot of what you're
00:45:24
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saying I think everybody has their
00:45:25
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reasons this is not a value judgment but
00:45:27
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i think i think the person who's
00:45:29
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standing in the middle of the fucking
00:45:31
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aisle while I just want to get some
00:45:32
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fucking pasta I can see it it's right
00:45:35
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there I could see it i could see the
00:45:36
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brand i got the kind i want the thing i
00:45:39
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don't want the vermicelli and I want the
00:45:40
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fat one in between I could see it right
00:45:41
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there but you know what you're standing
00:45:43
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►
there you're saying because you're
00:45:44
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having some kind of little little moment
00:45:45
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►
now I've got my reasons which is that
00:45:47
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i'm correct and i have a child I need to
00:45:50
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feed ya have limited amount of time that
00:45:52
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I would rather not spend staring at the
00:45:54
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back of your fucking head while you
00:45:56
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►
smelling room I could die here behind
00:45:58
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►
yeah now that person probably has there
00:46:00
◼
►
is no their reasons are probably wrong
00:46:01
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to testifying a little bit i think but
00:46:03
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but but go on
00:46:04
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well not nothing I don't think
00:46:05
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►
internment away before no no I don't
00:46:07
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think you're being dramatic of course
00:46:08
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►
you couldn't marry again being very
00:46:10
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even-keeled yeah I and that person wrong
00:46:14
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as the reasons are probably does have
00:46:17
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their reasons i doubt they have thought
00:46:18
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it through as thoroughly as i have and i
00:46:20
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doubt that they feel the certainty in
00:46:23
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their black heart yet i have in my very
00:46:25
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uh kind of off-white one
00:46:27
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yeah I don't think better off without
00:46:30
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flat-band get away from her
00:46:32
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I'm afraid nothing off white is a color
00:46:34
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►
you she's not sure that that's a pretty
00:46:36
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►
good name for something wrong color for
00:46:39
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I don't know I don't know I just the
00:46:40
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thing is I'm here putting that decision
00:46:42
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►
I have a version of that same idea and
00:46:44
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►
it's a paraphrase I don't remember who
00:46:45
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►
said the original thing probably yet or
00:46:49
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or one of the great men of history one
00:46:52
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►
of the one of the men like me right and
00:46:55
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I don't when I say man I don't mean to
00:46:56
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exclude women now I just it's pretty
00:47:00
◼
►
I trusting I just like to include women
00:47:02
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under the overarching category of men
00:47:05
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►
right men men kind including women
00:47:09
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►
supinator students and that sort of
00:47:13
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frequently come out in the terms and a
00:47:15
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dependent clause that probably could
00:47:17
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have been mostly left out
00:47:18
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►
yes well you're gonna bleep all that
00:47:20
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anyway but uh but but the idea that i
00:47:23
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carry around is that everybody is have
00:47:26
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a difficult day like if you are having a
00:47:31
◼
►
difficult day you can pretty much rest
00:47:33
◼
►
assured that everyone else is also
00:47:35
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►
struggling to get through today and get
00:47:38
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home and do whatever they do and it is a
00:47:43
◼
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it is it's a kind of shorthand that
00:47:47
◼
►
keeps me in an empathetic posture even
00:47:53
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►
surrounded as I am by morons and tools
00:47:57
◼
►
to know that they also are struggling
00:48:00
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and that they're that the fact that they
00:48:01
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are a moron only makes it harder for
00:48:04
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►
them and it increases the this up my
00:48:08
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sympathetic feeling so that I don't
00:48:11
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►
resort to murder also double murder or
00:48:16
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►
justifiable homicide or or even just
00:48:18
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►
steaming I mean my biggest problem in
00:48:22
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►
life it's steaming I spend so much time
00:48:25
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►
steaming and and I frankly my broccoli
00:48:31
◼
►
is limp from over steamed king- uh-huh
00:48:37
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►
but i but seriously I just can't turn it
00:48:41
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►
there's no no the house just like valve
00:48:43
◼
►
right now Merlin I swear to you I am
00:48:45
◼
►
feuding with a half a dozen piece of
00:48:48
◼
►
people and at least four of those six
00:48:51
◼
►
people don't know that we're in a feud
00:48:54
◼
►
I'm sitting here steaming about
00:48:56
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►
something steaming and there blindly
00:49:00
◼
►
going about their lives talking about
00:49:03
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►
knowing this AR the constant source of
00:49:06
◼
►
yeah yeah I'm pissed at them for
00:49:08
◼
►
something generally it's that I'm pissed
00:49:10
◼
►
at them because they didn't they owe me
00:49:12
◼
►
a phone call made and now it's too late
00:49:14
◼
►
now when they call I won't accept the
00:49:16
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►
call because they screwed up somehow and
00:49:21
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►
that's steaming is no good you know
00:49:24
◼
►
I should go to an Alcoholics Anonymous
00:49:26
◼
►
meeting and talk about those who don't
00:49:28
◼
►
do that don't do that
00:49:30
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►
I I i just want to point out one thing
00:49:33
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I'm not saying I'm not saying that
00:49:36
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►
because we are both right everybody has
00:49:39
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►
to be wrong because i'm not going to
00:49:41
◼
►
actually say that that's valid I think
00:49:43
◼
►
that's you can apply that if you have
00:49:44
◼
►
half a fucking brain
00:49:45
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I don't need to say that because that's
00:49:47
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gonna make us look bad but you should be
00:49:49
◼
►
able to pick that up that's a ok but
00:49:51
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here's the thing this is B and this is
00:49:52
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►
what you and I have in common and most
00:49:54
◼
►
people need to get in common with us is
00:49:57
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►
what we're not saying that what you're
00:49:59
◼
►
doing is wrong per se accepted as much
00:50:02
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►
as it is wrong it's just more that what
00:50:04
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we're saying is that our paths that we
00:50:06
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►
are introducing to you keep moving and
00:50:08
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►
get out of the way it helps everybody
00:50:09
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►
there's nothing about I defy you as one
00:50:13
◼
►
of the people who needs our help to say
00:50:15
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►
you show me one part of keep moving and
00:50:17
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►
get out of the way that harms people
00:50:19
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►
nothing well think about it does it's a
00:50:21
◼
►
Hippocratic it doesn't know only of
00:50:23
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moving and get out of the way is that
00:50:24
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►
you can continue to do your stupid
00:50:27
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►
thinking within the context of either
00:50:31
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►
moving or getting out of way
00:50:33
◼
►
take your time you can you could be full
00:50:35
◼
►
of your own stupid thoughts
00:50:37
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►
yep and yet also be either moving or out
00:50:42
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yep and so that cart turns yeah yeah I
00:50:45
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►
what we I think we've reduced it now to
00:50:50
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►
the the colonel
00:50:52
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yes and I have to say trying to think
00:50:56
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►
about the grand unification theory this
00:50:59
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►
is the thing about Stephen Hawking boy
00:51:01
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►
if if his grand unification theory or
00:51:06
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►
whoever comes up with that final grand
00:51:08
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►
unification theory that that that unites
00:51:11
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►
macro physics with microbiology and it
00:51:15
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doesn't include keep moving or get out
00:51:19
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►
of the way it cannot be exclusive of
00:51:22
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keep moving or get out of the way right
00:51:24
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because that is a that is a core truth
00:51:27
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and so that truth should also be present
00:51:30
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►
in the the in in orbiting bodies large
00:51:36
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it's absolutely true and i can remember
00:51:39
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►
it's a theological theological argument
00:51:41
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►
design it's one of those arguments it's
00:51:43
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►
one of those arguments we're getting you
00:51:45
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►
no good god must exist because he not
00:51:47
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►
the ontological but like as because
00:51:49
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►
God's cool it's one of those it's to
00:51:51
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Descartes thing I don't make us because
00:51:53
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►
God's cool that they can I came from
00:51:57
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actually from st. Thomas Aquinas region
00:51:59
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►
originally but he I think improved on it
00:52:02
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here's the thing though this is what the
00:52:03
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Liberals need the liberals don't have
00:52:05
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this first far they lack are cocksure
00:52:06
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sense of certainty right they sometimes
00:52:09
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are sure but they very seldom put the
00:52:10
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cock in it and that is part of the
00:52:12
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ok now here's the other thing with the
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pocket that's another record that's
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that's true that's well I don't know
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Hawking talking doesn't work blue very
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here's here's the problem and this is
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this go straight to the Hawking I think
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it's straight to the movies and straight
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to the Liberals is that is that if
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you're going to have this supernal
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approach to things we are basically
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walking around like open everything
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turns out okay and don't question
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anything you could do a lot worse than
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to make your your your Bureau your kind
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of BS political belt and Chong you could
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do a lot worse than making it about keep
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moving and get out of the way and in
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fact if I could take it in turn it
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briefly i think that is the message that
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most of these people in place need to
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hear which is you my friend need to
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either keep moving or you need to get
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out of the way and possibly both
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right well the message the problem with
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the flow with the fleece people is that
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they they have they taken it as their
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responsibility to speak on behalf of all
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the people who they believe cannot
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either keep moving or get out of the way
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because of some disadvantage that these
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other people have or because of the fact
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that they simply need an advocate and
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the police people are the self-appointed
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advocates of all the great many people
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who either cannot keep moving or get out
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of the way and the the problem is that
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there is no one who cannot either keep
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moving or get out of the way it's not
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hurting anybody except you keep moving
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and get out of the way the fleece people
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as soon as they hear that they think
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well what about the people who can't
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right without our people without ever
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examining the fact that those people
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that you are supposedly quote-unquote
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defending could actually benefit to
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begin with from both keeping moving and
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getting out of the way but also you know
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what maybe they don't need somebody who
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shops at whole foods to help explain
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their life to other people
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well that and that's what we that's the
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problem we get into so now not only
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there's the original person who needs to
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lose either keep moving and economically
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and now there's meeting everyone
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now there's a person in there now
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there's a fleecy beardy person and his
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wife with that with the big hoop
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earrings and the Guatemalan purse she
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made the earring she's thinking of doing
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it as a business and they're standing
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there now they're standing there with
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the with the original person who should
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have kept moving or getting out of the
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way and they're they're trying to argue
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with you about how this person you know
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how they need an extra minute or how
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this person shouldn't be asked to you
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know they don't understand what you mean
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or and this I don't they saw something
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in the nation and with some statistics
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about both getting out of the way and
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keeping moving
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yeah there's a whole European influence
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from back in the you know 1,500 here you
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got a whole cortez the killer thing
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well the presumption is that that you're
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you you're getting out of the way of
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someone who's superior minutes it
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instantly becomes a Marxist problem yeah
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there's nothing to overthink your John
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does your dad is nothing to overthink
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this is this is empirical it's a priori
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yeah be safe to say that but you know
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that the police people will other police
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people would overthink