Roderick on the Line

00:00:00 ◼   ► hello hi John [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► I'm Merlin kind of my friend good man [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► do you wanna run on my John Rahn Rick [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► that's the consensus that or you can [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► have all god that's terrible ask people [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► you can have that you can have John haha [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► oh that's what that's awesome [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► you like that one better oh yeah Flash [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► Gordon who John Roderick theme that's [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► amazing i like trying really do it John [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► oh go home take your first getting me [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► that's tailor-made you okay with that i [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► didn't want before that he scoffed know [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► my mother must not have come through [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► clearly because that is exactly what [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► I've always wanted with memory serves [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► you had one eye on that kiss and the [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► other i was on Queen when you're a kid [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► and you your eyes drifted like one lazy [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► eye and the other followed you ended up [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► on queenside accurate [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► that's correct when I was in five think [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► fourth grade it was it was it really [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► could have gone either way queen or kiss [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► and the cheese yeah well you know you [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► could be kiss army which which I was [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► initially a butt or you could be one of [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► the champions between Navy you should be [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► in the Queen maybe you could be in the [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► yeah you could be a sailor in the Queen [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► sub you can be a member of the submarine [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► Queen summary easy it's time that and [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► that and i realized i think i think i [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► was still too young to realize that [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► Queen was infinitely superior to kiss in [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► everyway musically and in every other [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► respect [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► uh-huh i just chose based on i don't [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► know i think you know I think I chose [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► based on heavy ridge [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► it's alright i think the ridge it was [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► the ridge that tipped the scales huh [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► like the kiss ridge if you really strip [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► away all the recount all the makeup and [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► all the boots and almond codpieces [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► and the blood packets you're telling me [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► you're telling me that the ridiculous [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► over-the-top unnecessary the Attic ality [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► of kiss was just too much for you and so [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► you went with queen huh [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► that's correct let me ask you the hard [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► question because I can tell you from [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► that same time my one of my other big [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► man's I was always attracted to that [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► reality we got shot village people have [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► you felt very you live in San Francisco [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► but let those people had a song called [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► San Francisco so good I i was a fan of [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► village before they fine they were fun i [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► was a fan i was a fan of the village [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► people because ACDC genuinely scared me [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► the record covers of ac/dc in the [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► seventies [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► yeah where were genuinely scary they [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► were sweaty men and they looked they [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► looked vile they looked like they wanted [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► to put a finger in you and as a child I [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► instinctively did not want one of their [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► fingers in me from myspace they turn it [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► the other way [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► yeah thanks once again at once it's a [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► highway highway to hell is that the [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► lower Angus has the horns like a sneer [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► there's one yeah it's a snare east near [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► it was scary it I I remember the day [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► that record came out and it was on you [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► know it was on the news on the end cap [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► of every Eiling peaches or whatever [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► story teaches and and I was at the [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► northgate mall with my mom all I wanted [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► was a snow cone and and and my god the [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► the record just uh and i think it was on [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► the records that was on the stands at [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► the same time as as the Village People [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► record and there was no no question the [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► village people seemed much friendlier [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► there was an Indian I mean they seem [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► like guys you could play guns with you [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► know well like like kiss I i think i was [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► attracted them for their what comic [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► book- they're cartoonish pneus you know [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► I mean right yeah i know the deciding [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► factor with Queen I think just [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► was it is that thing that in bryan maze [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► guitar tone [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► uh-huh which is the most organic sound [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► that even a child can understand that [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► that is the greatest guitar tone of all [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► time even a little infant if you played [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► the sound of kiss which is the sound of [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► like handicapped people having sex for [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► the sound of Queen which is the sound of [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► angels singing in the night you have to [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► go with Queen everything I can tell [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► you're feeling better [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► I'm feeling better what kind of handicap [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► oh I mean I movement is a movement [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► impairment is that I you know it's more [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► of a visual thing this is more [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► handi-capable ma the area they turned it [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► around [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► you know they had a disability and they [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► and they made it a strength god bless [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► them [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► yeah i mean imagine what gene Simmons [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► would be doing otherwise imagine him [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► working at a DMV he seems a little i [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► mean like when you me see him talk he [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► seems almost like somebody who would be [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► like in venture capital or debt [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► collection is very business-minded he is [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► Donald Trump but what gene Simmons or [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► Donald Trump next to each other they're [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► the same man even an infant can tell [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► even an infant could listen to those two [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► guys and know that they are that they're [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► an unholy union an unholy hit like a [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► unholy pair of me think about gene [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► Simmons hair for a second when he's not [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► wearing his wig [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► oh that thing he has now it's the same [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► it's Donald Trump's hair it's the same [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► stuff it's made of the same sort of like [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► like a rhinoceros pubic hair [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► what he was going to say I mean Donald [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► Trump's hair looks like a penthouse the [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► couch and I think gene Simmons looks [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► more like something from Japan [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► I mean it's not pixelated don't know why [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► the text everything is very troubling [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► I see what you mean is the Germans are [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► pixelate you know what it was for me [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► with Queen it was harmonies [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► oh yeah now it's very theatrical who was [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► there now we know as music nerds we know [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► that for example on behind [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► wraps you know the strain behavior have [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► seen that the TV show on that are right [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► about it [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► however long it took to do that yeah [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► yeah in fact i have the I have some of [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► them there was a while there the studio [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► nerds didn't like a DVD wallet full of [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► like behind the music thing I do i do [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► have that but in addition to that there [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► was a while there where the studio nerds [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► in the studio owners may be doing this [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► till I haven't been in the recording [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► studio in awhile but there they were [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► trading around the multitrack tapes of [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► various of these great albums and we got [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► the multi-tracks of bohemian rhapsody [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► where you can actually solo the [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► individual tracking bounce [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► well that's the thing I mean it's the [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► gallant until the tape was gonna break [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► that but that's the thing you've got e [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► you're still at the time working on a [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► 24-track tape right so there are still [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► 24 individual tracks and you could you [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► could solve these tracks and eat track [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► had been bounced down there was so many [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► harmony stacked up on each one of these [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► tracks and then there were multiple [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► tracks of them but just to listen to the [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► individual you know the individual [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► pieces of that puzzle and you just you [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► get one step closer to understanding how [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► it was put together out you know you eat [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► you're sitting in the recording studio [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► listening to it through the good [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► speakers and just like oh my god this is [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► an amazing work and yet we've talked [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► about this in other venues but and [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► surfing through or themselves bounce [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► these in the end eighth-generation tapes [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► for use various sections of tape [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► containing that had to be spliced may [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► recall placing tape in front of the [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► light and being able to see through it [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► as they had been recording so intensely [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► that's unbelievable imagine that the [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► tape broke after all that would be sad [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► although back in back in the day tape [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► you know cutting tape was a big part of [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► making records so the tape you you think [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► about like oh no what the tape broke but [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► in fact they would just cut it back [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► together [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► yeah I went to I went to a speech by Roy [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► Thomas Baker the man who produced the [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► album / business it's two great two [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► great delight on my as far as I'm [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► concerned yeah I listen to him talk [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► about that process [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► listen I don't know it's that is I could [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► go up the I could go up the river all [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► the way to Cambodia [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► uh-huh i was talking about bohemian [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► rhapsody I i would enjoy that now are [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► you in RTP fan in general you like you [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► like the cars that first cars record [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► something else he's incredible he's a [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► great [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► he's a great producer and listening to [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► him talk a great dude whenever I see a [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► little country see from these from the [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► England mhm and in fact you can still go [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► make records with him if you want you [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► can go to England and make a record with [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► Roy Thomas Baker he has a studio and he [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► will make a record with you if you pay [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► him the money he will do it [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► have you thought about that at all well [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► yeah I mean he made he made the team [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► integrate foreigner record he made me [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► maybe he made what I can beat all those [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► emails record he made what i consider to [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► be a and over rate it's underaged excuse [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► me slightly underrated not a hugely [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► underrated it's slightly underrated [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► cheap trick record all right he did a [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► one-on-one which I was just tight that [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► she's tight it's a pretty great song [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► she's nice cease type she's giving me [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► the go [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► he's given me the high sign that's so [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► good it's so good man he made those [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► journey records is that right [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► you know it's 73 records you made [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► infinity made evolution [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► oh come on no he did i'm gonna have two [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► things he's still working if I can work [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► on Chinese Democracy you can make a [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► record with this man and he's hilarious [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► he's a he he looks awesome i don't [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► understand why you're near a computer [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► right now but it is is I'm a big fan i [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► must tell you I've discussed the cells [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► from a big fan of wikipedia photos [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► because as you know they must be public [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► domain and his is it looks like it looks [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► like maybe his aunt or nice perhaps shot [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► it with us something that she got out of [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► a cereal box up is definitely one flash [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► source the flash is very very bright [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► eyes [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► he looks kinda like ozzy osbourne meats [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► like the guy from rocky or not you know [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► this is the thing when you think about [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► work with somebody like him or famously [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► somebody like Todd Rundgren I mean Todd [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► run right [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► has made some people sound really really [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► good but it sounds pretty tough to work [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► with a lot of people are tough to work [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► with [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► I mean I think you can make a record [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► with you can make a record with a lot of [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► sort of rockstars uh-huh and some of [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► those people are are tougher than others [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► I you know I the the the guy from not [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► Elliot Eastern if I could make a record [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► le Eastern I absolutely would but the [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► guitar player of the talking heads [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► Jerry Harrison Jerry Harrison you can [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► make a record with Jerry Harrison and my [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► understanding is that you know that he [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► he like shows up at nuna leaves at five [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► I don't know that to be sure people [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► produced at any produce a peat bog thing [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► a long time ago one of my thing when I [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► confusing that with was no no Jerry [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► Harrison was like young gods or [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► something God's I his pant [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► oh well he was in he was in the modern [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► lovers and lovers but you also do you [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► know what I'm thinking of people i'm [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► sorry i'm totally confused people [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► produced that feels record i like Oh [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► Peter now Peter Buck that would be an [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► interesting guy to have produced your [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► record i bet he have good notes on the [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► songs too [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► he would i do not know how well he would [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► communicate to you though I think scum I [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► meant it wants and he seemed he seemed [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► like a really down-to-earth guy who is [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► extremely nervous [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► Peter Berg miss backstage a thing and he [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► was being mobbed [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► he's an extremely nice man a very nice [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► man a smart and nice person who has what [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► i would characterize speaking as a [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► professional as a mental health [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► professional are characterized him as [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► having a social anxiety disorder [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► ok I have friends that have that yes i [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► know you do i have spent time with your [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► friends yeah what's its kind of its [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► almost prerequisites on the form in [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► which they don't want to fill out [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► because they don't like pencils either [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► you know what to say that as usual can [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► tell you how I stand corrected [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► oh my god he didn't want to whine still [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► a wide stance who have a very wide [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► stance he did he's done of course rtb [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► rtb sorry RGB did a bunch of the Queen [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► records probably looks like almost all [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► heated Devo [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► he did you are absolutely correct i [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► stand further corrected he to infinity [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► and evolution the man instantly we gotta [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► get back to journey at some point it's [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► an awkward awkward thing just talk they [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► did he did the darkness that [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► controversial ban the darkness smashing [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► pumpkin smash because that's a band i [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► could do without you didn't later [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► smashing pumpkins record he's not [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► responsible for them [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► did he did one after after the fat bald [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► kid decided that people need to hear him [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► saying Charlie Brown [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► yeah we're gonna hang back and it [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► smashing pumpkins are classic example of [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► one of those days where I was like [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► everybody likes you [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► what if it's like it here to visit how [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► what the fuck happened was smashing how [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► did they get to be so popular what is [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► her formula John Rother because you were [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► there you worked the ground museum you [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► saw a lot of this go by you you get your [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► bar back your manager you counted money [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► you killed off hundreds what the fuck [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► happened how to Smashing Pumpkins get on [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► our radar screen as you probably know he [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► was a very good guitar player and that [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► music was it was it was I think what it [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► what it was he took the sound of [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► shoegazer uh-huh [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► which was very popular in England but [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► the shoegazer guys except for stone [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► roses or couple other were a lot of [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► songs she gazer was kind of I have more [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► influence here then then interest [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► yeah right it was it was a vibe but but [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► when it would come to America would be [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► like there's no songs there it's just [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► like man them and their mana mana and [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► seven smashing pumpkins kind of had that [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► they got that my bloody valentine [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► thickness to their society that one [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► record I like fish but had vocals were [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► mixed way down [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► who so it sounded like just as wall [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► guitars and then this kind of echoey [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► singer and it's just it sounded really [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► compelling and they had songs so it was [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► kind of like haha haha that's what your [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► that that's always what you were looking [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► for my problem with the Stone Roses was [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► that after that aside from that one tune [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► like the rest of the stuff just felt [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► like Mary I wanna be adored [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► yeah well it or she's a waterfall with [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► one stone roses to the [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► the biggest tip the one where though [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► yeah i was taking the drum drum dance [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► beat [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► yeah i was thinking of that first song [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► that Thun Thun Thun Thun Thun on me [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► here's the problem also with all these [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► social anxiety people i'm guessing here [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► what's his name Charlie Charlie Charlie [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► Rose which is named billy billy corgan [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► Billy Billy Billy Corgan billy corgan [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► the smartest kid in the world he i think [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► it's bob was good [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► billy corgan problem see and this also [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► goes this goes for all these people with [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► the possible exception of prints and [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► maybe Prince is these people who are [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► clearly insane loners who are very [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► gifted and learned you know what about [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► how about how about the the weezer guy [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► like fools gold that was the that was [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► the tombstone whistles full i have that [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► record you know the directors all those [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► records as many as Manchester records [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► like three-quarters of them i had no [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► idea why people like them I still don't [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► understand happy mondays and then a lot [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► of just didn't age well that even the [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► Stone Roses record it did not have legs [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► not like you a lot of other bands of the [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► time they didn't age well they didn't [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► even aged well in the time it took the [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► songs to get from the speakers to your [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► ear by time he took off the plastic but [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► you i'm guessing we're not standing on a [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► beach in goa in 1989 quite nicely not my [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► 99 sooner super super high on MDMA and [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► with your body covered in dayglo paint [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► because if you were then the music would [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► have made perfect sense to you [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► uh-huh i actually had of the the sort of [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► strange experience of being in southern [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► Spain in 1989 when all that music was [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► blowing up and I was taking a lot of of [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► of little little square pieces of paper [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► and eating a lot of little bits of like [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► a masculine and actually my train ticket [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► first thing that happens eating a lot of [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► train tickets i was smoking a lot of [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► very black hash that had floated over [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► from Africa who and dancing on the beach [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► to this to this music went to a whole [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► month of [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► beach waves in 89 in Spain and let me [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► tell you the music was was just exactly [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► right for that uh-huh but i was so high [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► and everyone around me was so high we [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► were so high i don't know i guess they [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► could put on Phil Ochs or mitch miller [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► and you're probably so high that you [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► still would have danced in dayglo paint [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► they could have put on you know whipped [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► cream and other delights think the [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► record they could have put on Henry [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► Mancini's baby elephant war haha i would [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► have thought it was the most amazing [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► thing in the world because we just did [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► I'm sorry not the indelible image of you [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► dancing earnestly to her opportunity on [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► her breast pocket up at that the they [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► could have put flight of the bumble bees [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► lap well uh I these beach waves were [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► incredible things that be like this [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► grass hot and they would they would [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► truck out these massive speakers out on [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► the beach and then you would and then [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► colored lights and they would you know [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► they would kind of paint everything was [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► crazy day glow paint and then the drugs [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► were it was assumed that the that [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► everybody had drugs like that wasn't a [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► there was no hey man have you got any [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► drugs [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► it was very much like all right here's [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► the music and now here are some drugs [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► and now here here's some liquor and go [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► and so everybody was wasted and you [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► could get you could walk out into the [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► ocean and the music was still loud you [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► can dance with the waves and and we were [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► young people then there was touching [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► there's a lot of touching this is very [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► this sounds a lot like the sixties John [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► it was a magical time and you know that [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► whole thing that happens in ibiza for [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► the intervening 20 years they've just [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► been trying to recapture those [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► experiences that we a few bold pioneers [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► intrepid pioneers had their in 89 I was [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► AI was just a an accidental tourist [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► through there you know I was on my own [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► mission and came across this thing [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► didn't realize it was a movement that [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► was happening didn't realize it was that [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► there were but it was a sound I was just [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► like wow drugs and girls huh [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► but it kept me there this is this is [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► this is frequently the way certainly [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► that way with the quote-unquote summer [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► of love which if you do even the [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► slightest bit of reading you'll discover [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► was maybe a month there was about a [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► month that went from it's fun to smoke [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► pot and neck to like everybody hates [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► tree has been ruined with heroin it was [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► a very very short time and I like you [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► say the tourists arrive but when you're [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► in the moment of something like that and [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► it doesn't have a name yet you know that [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► success exciting but you know didn't [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► know how did you know it's time to go [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► oh it was time to go because somebody [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► that I met somebody came along was like [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► hey you want to go to Morocco and I was [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► like yeah this is this thing here on the [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► beach has been great but I'm it must be [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► it was like it was like everything when [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► you're young you think that I've never [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► been to the south of Spain before so [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► once I got there I and this was going on [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► I was like oh this must be what it's [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► like in the south of Spain a bunch of [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► English kids listening to really loud [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► music and and tripping on ecstasy I [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► didn't it [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► I didn't know that it was just a it was [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► just a moment [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► uh-huh and so a so yeah I then I went to [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► Morocco I spent I spent a month there [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► trying to I got to Morocco and I and I [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► decided that I was going to hitchhike to [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► Mount Kilimanjaro I had died i just [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► turned 21 I turned 21 in cadiz spain and [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► I was so I was 21 and and two days old [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► and I'm in Morocco and I say I'm in [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► Africa i'm going to hitchhike to Mount [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► Kilimanjaro and so off I go and I stick [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► out my thumb and I realize you know [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► gonna have to take a couple of like of [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► those African brothers the Moroccan [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► buses that are full of like the bus has [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► a bunch of chickens in and then their [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► goats [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► time to the roof but I spent two weeks [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► going heading south in Morocco the whole [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► time like yeah I'm going to kill him in [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► jarrow and it and nobody's listening to [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► me and I finally get I finally get down [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► to the edge of the Sahara to a town [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► called wars on and what does that is a [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► this is pretty far down there on the on [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► the other side of the other side of the [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► mountains and kind of you know your you [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► are now at the at the north edge of the [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► desert and and and they're these trucks [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► coming through this town that are headed [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► across that are headed across the desert [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► and I and I get it I get another hitch [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► another ride [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► I get down to this little town called [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► zagora and it's it's really the last [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► it's really pretty close to the last [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► town before the Sahara and I'm I'm [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► standard this hotel and I'm talking to [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► people I'm like an end and its really [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► it's an oasis you know what I mean like [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► it's desert desert desert then you come [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► to this little town zagora blue palm [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► trees and a little and there's a there's [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► like a pond it's like an oasis like a [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► proper pond in the desert with frogs and [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► stuff I'm talking to these guys in the [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► hotel these truck drivers and I'm like [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► you know hey can I get a ride with you [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► across the desert and everybody laughs [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► like so I go to another group and I'm [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► like I'm trying to get across the desert [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► you know can get comments right with you [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► everybody laughs and finally somebody [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► some you know some trucker grabs me by [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► the shirt is like do you realize how [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► long this drivers cross the desert and [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► he you know he draws a little map on a [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► coaster things like here's Africa cheers [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► the Sahara here [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► are we and here's how long you've [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► traveled in the last two weeks you know [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► and it had taken me two weeks to go the [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► length of a his pinky fingernail and he [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► was showing me that the route across the [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► desert was from the tip of his finger to [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► his elbow you know Wow and he said we [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► carry you know we carry three weeks [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► worth of water for each person you know [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► the trucks these desert these contracts [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► across the Sahara these but they're not [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► just like semi trucks that these massive [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► big tires that massive like desert dune [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► buggy type of things and so anyway this [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► trucker was like there's no one that's [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► ever going to pick up a hitchhiker in [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► Zagora and travel with him two and a [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► half weeks across the desert like we are [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► we are highly paid specialists and this [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► is a massive undertaking and well you [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► know you're you're just you're way out [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► of your league here [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► what kind of stuff with a truck across [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► that distance so i'm guessing not live [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► animals [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► no no its you know like the town of [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► Timbuktu is out there somewhere there [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► are there are they came back to that we [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► refer to as out in the middle of nowhere [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► yeah the actual Timbuktu is in the [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► center of is on that road somewhere and [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► you know they they used to all the [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► people that live in that massive expanse [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► of land used to get all their stuff by [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► camel camel caravan and now they now [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► these trucks you know provide the [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► provide a living to all those people in [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► Mali and I mean not only knows i i i i [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► barely grasp it even now that the way [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► that the way the world works but I'll so [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► finally the this whole trip I've been [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► taking across rock why i had not looked [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► at a map i just i kept heading south and [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► I figured I would when I got to [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► kilimanjaro I would know because it was [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► a mountain [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► and when I realized that that Africa is [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► so much bigger than I could have [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► imagined that trip would have been that [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► was a that was a lifetime undertaking [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► and I was trying to make it you know [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► while listening to the Traveling [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► Wilburys and on my waterproof walk [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► manner that was that was one of like the [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► five moments in my life when I realized [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► that I was completely out of my depth [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► and and not didn't just need to like go [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► go back and regroup but needed to really [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► go back and think about how stupid I was [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► like put some serious thought into how [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► stupid I was and the problem was the [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► government zagora and now i'm at the [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► edge of the Sahara and I need to get [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► back i need to go back north and [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► nobody's going north [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► everybody's going south nobody's going [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► north and i ended up having to end up [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► getting a cab but in back and Wars ox a [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► guy with a cab and we sat in the public [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► square negotiated you know for two hours [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► with 25 little kids standing around us [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► where he's like all right i'll take you [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► i'm not going back to Marrakech but i'll [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► take you across you know like his mom or [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► whatever lived over and in over by the [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► Algerian border or something like that [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► and I was like okay I'm alright with you [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► and I'll get it ended up being 40 bucks [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► or something like that about yeah he [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► drove me all the way he told me all such [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► an incredible journey of stupidity [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► so you were fined by the city your pants [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► a lot of time that you you aren't you [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► aren't you sound like you have your [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► knowledge of geography is obviously very [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► strong but you you it wasn't like [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► Indiana Jones you see a plane flying [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► through the air on a map thing you don't [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► have an itinerary just following your [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► nose [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► no absolutely fall in my nose I did that [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► for I did that for a long time and and [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► the the great thing is that you can be [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► somewhere you can end up somewhere that [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► you couldn't have plan to be like for [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► instance i was in berlin [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► today the wall came down you're kidding [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► no you're Selleck no yeah well we have [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► maybe a little bit i mean i-i was I've [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► been a lot of places where the thing [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► happened when I was there I was in [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► oakland the day the Oakland fire started [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► Wow and I was sitting at the breakfast [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► table with the with this girl I knew and [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► she looked out of the window and she was [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► like what the sky looks weird and I [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► looked out and said yeah I got it [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► it's like orange the sky is orange it [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► was you know eight o'clock in the [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► morning that morning and we walked out [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► in the yard and the whole hill above her [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► house was on fire and we jumped in the [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► car and says scary it was amazing we [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► jumped in the car and of course you know [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► with me behind the wheel and headed [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► toward it and drove up into the up into [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► oakland until we came 2a we came to a [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► place where like waves of fire we're [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► going across the street and if we tend [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► to continue up the road we would have [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► had to have driven under fire and we [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► stopped and and suddenly realized that [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► this wasn't like hey let's go up and [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► look at the fire it was that this was a [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► absolutely uncontrolled conflagration [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► and we were going to die and we turn the [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► car out of people were running you know [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► like people were running holding their [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► family pets we turned around and headed [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► back down the hill and with the fire [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► like on our heels and got to a place [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► where the fire department blocked off [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► the road after we've gone past so we had [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► to get through there roadblock headed [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► the other way you know in this massive [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► stream of people and over the course of [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► the day we removed three four different [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► times where we would get to a place to [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► be like okay who are safe and then the [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► tidal wave of fire trees were exploding [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► in the air it was the craziest thing [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► I've ever seen [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► and now you know what was I doing there [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► who knows [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► but uh but yeah i was in berlin in 89 [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► the the day they open the wall and it [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► was just because I was like I've been in [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► Florence a few days before and somebody [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► said that we should go to Berlin and I [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► went that's insane [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► yeah but the proto the problem of [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► traveling that way is that sometimes you [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► are one and a half blocks away from the [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► world's largest ball of twine and you [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► don't and you don't see it because you [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► don't know that it's there because you [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► never have opened a guidebook looked you [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► know you so you just traveling by the [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► seat of your pants and you and you [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► actually miss some of the stuff that it [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► would have been easy to see because just [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► like anything different now be today I [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► mean as soon as I arrive anywhere i have [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► an iphone in my hand the whole time I'm [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► somewhere you know who I'm not only my [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► relying on the maps john i'm relying on [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► the little let me hit the arrow twice to [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► show me which direction to walk huh [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► right you know and then I add a guy and [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► even then I realized it just walked the [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► wrong way to starbucks the other way [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► some of that stuff like when I was out [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► in in in you know in Zagora or certainly [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► when I was walking across just for [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► reference i'm gonna have we're gonna get [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► an intern [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► I'm gonna have them go back and Google [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► every one of these fake cities that you [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► don't are you're not writing these down [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► on on three-by-five cards anymore i [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► don't hear the three-by-five cards [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► flapping a i can't i can't keep up [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► anymore I still look at something over [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► here all right Thomas Baker but I i'm at [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► sag or I started glazing over haha water [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► sloshes now that's a hell of a town [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► yeah great little town if you're in [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► there ever in the neighborhood but [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► what's amazing is that during all those [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► times like there were weeks weeks and [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► weeks at a time when I was completely [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► out of touch with the world i didn't [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► have such a strange personality will [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► stop but it's it's it's so interesting [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► to me like you that you can like be okay [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► with that much lack of roots you know I [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► mean and not knowing anything just [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► compared to me were like you know I like [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► to make an appointment to go to the [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► bathroom like free like it's just [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► amazing to me that you could be on the [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► road so long I you know not knowing when [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► the next meal is not knowing like I [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► think you [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► well let's get so that's a little crazy [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► it's amazing i mean you know in one case [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► obviously [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► you realize you can't ride across the [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► desert but man that's that it's I don't [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► say reckless but it's certainly very [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► adventurous [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► well the greatest thing that ever [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► happened to me or the most mind flipping [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► thing that ever happened was i I was [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► sleeping in a park in them in a V own [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► France who which is the site of the the [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► song syrup own w/o also where the [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► damaged cells live that's where the [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► devil cells live there were Pope's there [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► for a little bit yeah they had a whole [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► second field on the second Pope town but [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► i was sleeping in a park in that town [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► and I woke up and there was a man [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► standing over me in the in the dark and [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► I look to my left and I realized that my [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► bag was gone my bank had been stolen [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► shit and this guy was standing over me [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► and he was clearly trying to he was [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► bending over trying to figure out how to [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► get what he knew was probably my [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► passport and my money which was around [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► my neck and I jumped you know i squirted [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► out of this bag like a like a like jello [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► coming out about you know squeeze LOL [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► squirter like Joe coming out of a [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► jealous water and this guy starts [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► running and I start running after him in [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► my bare feet and we run and run and run [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► all over a video we're running open [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► running on the on the little freeway [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► were running down by the river where I'm [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► chasing this guy and I'm swearing at him [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► and keys hiciste and just in front of me [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► the whole time and and finally he jumps [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► over up like a metal retaining a metal [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► like barrier on a highway he he leaps [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► over this thing and I leave and I catch [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► my toe right on the edge of it and it's [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► slammed on the ground I'm all bloody and [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► he gets away and I go back to my little [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► place where I've been sleeping and [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► there's nothing left they came and took [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► my sleeping bag while I was to my god [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► and suck having young yeah it's well you [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► know of France says there's there's a [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► there's a lot of people in France that's [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► true but in any case i'm walking around [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► i do have much they did leave my shoes [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► and I can only thing that they left my [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► shoes [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► as a gesture of human kindness you know [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► what I mean [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► Bonnie that's right they could have [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► taken the shoes too but they left the [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► shoes as a as like hey we're not animals [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► are not monsters like Germany so I'm [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► limping around the mall now let me just [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► be clear heat the heat and he was able [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► to nab the thing around your neck so [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► your passport listen money list and [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► really good he was not able to make each [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► one teach one kick his ass [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► I was gonna kick his ass i was gonna get [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► this guy and I was gonna beat him within [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► an inch of his life teach my french [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► lesson and probably if I had caught him [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► he would have knifed me with what he [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► surely had in his hand which was surely [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► a stiletto like I was stupid to chase [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► him and while i was chasing him his [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► friends came and stole my sleeping bag [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► and probably the guys that had my [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► backpack we're standing 25 feet away the [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► direction and I should have gone to [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► chase them instead but I didn't see them [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► i just saw this guy and I was like you [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► but in any case i spent a few days [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► walking around avion now without a [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► sleeping bag at night looking at all the [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► trash cans and you know and down all the [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► embankment sand under all the bushes for [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► them having stripped everything out of [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► my bag but like the last but because [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► there were some journals i was hoping [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► they'd throw the journals in the garbage [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► i wanted to get get my journals at least [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► through never found anything but I had [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► my passport and I had a I had the money [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► that I had around my neck and I had some [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► people that I was supposed to meet her [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► supposed to meet some people was the [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► story i'm supposed to meet some people [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► in madrid in like eight days [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► some people had met earlier that were [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► like me to submit on the 15th or [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► something I was like I'll me in madrid [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► on the 15 so i was in having him and I [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► just was like well [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► I'm not going to replace all that stuff [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► and I just started traveling with the [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► clothes on my back [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► she's and you know and I was obviously I [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► was covered with like blood for a while [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► but i watch the blood out of the clothes [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► and eventually my my scabs healed and [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► for another five months i traveled all [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► around Europe in in just the clothes on [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► my back and I probably smelled terrible [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► i mean i would wash my clothes in the [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► sink at youth hostels and stuff and hang [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► them up to dry and then in the morning I [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► did still be a little damp I put them on [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► and and they be driving an hour and it [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► was the most liberating experience in my [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► life I've never did not realize how free [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► you could be I would fight with fall [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► asleep on a train right fall asleep on a [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► park bench or whatever I wake up and [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► just stand up and start walking because [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► I had nothing there was no like here let [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► me get my stuff let me pack my sleeping [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► bag back in its in its bag and what that [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► was great and it worked quite well until [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► winter came [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► ok and then I was screwed the thing that [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► you're talking about about about just [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► casting yourself loose in the world but [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► the people I've admired the most were [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► the ones that were able to take it [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► further than I wasn't able to do which [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► were that they that they severed their [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► attachments their mental attachments to [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► home which I had it was never able to do [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► I i won't mean a they didn't have a home [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► base or it didn't matter that they [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► didn't have a home base that that [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► somehow they either pretended very well [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► or they truly did not ever want to go [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► see their mom again they never what they [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► never dreamt of going back going home to [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► see their mom and having Christmas at [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► home with their mom [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► and no matter how far out i would get it [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► no matter how much i was out sleeping [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► under a tree somewhere and by all [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► appearances like um just if somebody [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► come along and said come with me to Abu [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► Dhabi i would have said absolutely here [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► we go [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► but as I'm sitting there under the tree [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► I'm thinking I'm like dreaming of home [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► you know and it was a mental connection [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► to to home that I couldn't sever and the [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► people that were that I saw out there [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► one when I was living at that close to [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► the edge I guess if you you know the [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► edge of being like outside of [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► civilization the people that I admired [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► that I would meet sometimes who had a [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► look of like of the of real dastardly [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► self-possession I don't I didn't sense [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► in them that they had any desire to ever [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► go home [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► why would you even do that because I [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► would because I didn't because I kept [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► feeling like I was tethered that I [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► wasn't that I that I that I wasn't brave [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► enough to to sever that connection you [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► know and in a way it might be that that [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► connection is what safe [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► it saved my life multiple times that's [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► why I never did intravenous drugs [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► because there were a lot of things that [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► I could there are a lot of things that I [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► did that I did not that that connection [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► to home didn't interfere with my choice [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► to do bad things but there were certain [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► bad things i never did I did not ever [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► steal I didn't ever you know like the [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► third there were a to live that life and [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► and yet to have a personal prohibition [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► on ever stealing like shoplifting a [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► thing of yogurt or whatever it was [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► beneath my dignity and that was because [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► of this idea [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► of home that I had and you know [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► particularly of one day walking back in [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► through the front door my mother's house [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► and i think it's a it's saved me [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► multiple times but at the time I [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► recognized it was the thing that kept me [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► from being truly wild all the way wild [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► and those people that were all the way [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► wild I really you know I really admired [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► them sitting around the campfires with [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► them and seeing that look in their eye [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► and that might have been a put-on to you [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► know that I don't up people are capable [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► of putting that look this is what you're [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► describing now is on this could be the [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► same things might be a phospholipid on [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► the one hand you're talking about [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► something very close to monasticism or [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► or this idea of being free of I don't [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► say attachment is maybe to buddhist of a [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► word but being being free of of the of [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► the yearning for for things not one not [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► only not missing it but not finding [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► yourself you know yearning for the [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► things you missed on the other end [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► you're talking about fucking Psychopaths [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► right there is and you're absolutely [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► very natural it's very I would have had [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► maybe i'm justin m at middle American [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► which I am but it seems like that desire [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► to have a place in the tribe goes way [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► beyond you know people who are born in [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► the sixties that that's a pretty old [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► idea [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► yeah and that was precisely why I wanted [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► to get away from it you know the line [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► between being a great monk between being [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► like a true monk and being a total [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► psychopath is a pretty nebulous line you [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► know the the great the great mystics are [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► all reviled in their in their own time [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► and a lot of our fucking nuts Tim well a [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► lot of them are nuts and a lot of them [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► are burned at the stake for being nuts [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► but there but but oh but the work that [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► they do the mystical work that they do [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► pushing pushing on behalf of all ppl [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► outward always outward who two [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► generations later we Revere them and we [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► read their writings and I think that [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► they are that they were the great [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► but there that they were the great [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► leaders and in fact in their own time [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► they were you know they were chased out [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► of the village I'm so I you know I [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► didn't have a sixties affectation past a [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► certain point I wasn't trying to like go [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► further as management people of our of [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► our generation and mandarin and then [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► that was the impetus initially like hey [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► man let's go [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► was there any kind of like a beats sort [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► of influence [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► no no I hated all that shit is that [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► right or not very long i mean i like [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► bubbles and have not had no idea that is [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► all balls he wrote the sheltering sky [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► ok but but he wrote he wrote a lot of [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► great short stories and he translated a [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► lot of um translated from arabic a lot [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► of Sir full details as told to him by [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► his moroccan houseboy mohamed mohamed [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► mohabbat who was this sort of great [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► ended up being this great moroccan [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► writer but no I was at the beach and all [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► that stuff it's just that that all [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► seemed very like look back look look at [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► back in itself and i just wanted to see [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► what the limits were you know that's all [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► those things again it's like the hippies [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► or it's like any of that stuff there [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► even for that matter people's obsession [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► with something like monasticism is in a [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► religious context and an hour just in [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► the same way that you couldn't keep [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► dancing on the on the beach in Spain [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► I mean that you know it people's [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► attachment to that kind of stuff even [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► though it's the attachment to a kind of [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► freedom [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► I mean it's like being attached to like [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► the thanksgiving dinner you had a 98 [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► it's gone like that it's not a thing [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► anymore you're not gonna you're not [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► gonna recreate that and that's we get [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► into somebody like me I guess in the [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► tourism you know like like heroin [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► tourism [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► I mean you know what I mean it's like [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► you're it'sit's such difference to be [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► somebody who travels in order to like I [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► ok here's a classic example and I've [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► certainly been guilty of this everywhere [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► I've ever gone somebody comes to san [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► francisco and what do they say they say [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► well we're going to Fisherman's Wharf [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► you know we're gonna go eat chocolate [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► sure you got any Alcatraz you worked out [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► all into one five day adventure hell and [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► you know i i'm i'm not a native San [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► Franciscan but in the in the most you [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► know use the way i can try to say well [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► you should [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► that stuff and get your photos and stuff [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► the really i would not block out more [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► than half a day for that Alcatraz super [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► fun but really there isn't you when you [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► go to any of those peers you're going to [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► get the same experience with slightly [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► different weather and slightly different [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► clothes [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► it's the same experience you would get [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► in a touristy part of gatlinburg or a [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► touristy part of fort myers like you're [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► getting the international tourist [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► experience there it's just there's crab [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► and its kind of costly but that's the [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► thing if you come to san francisco and [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► again I don't think don't go see the [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► golden gate bridge is fucking amazing [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► but you know that there's a certain kind [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► of approach to that stuff where that [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► wanderlusts reads as I wanna get my [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► picture taken at the Eiffel Tower right [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► versus like I'm gonna you know go ask [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► some guy is making maps of the [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► thumbnails he can drive me to a giant [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► man haha that's a day though here's the [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► funny thing like I don't know it's 22 [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► inch of conscious but now today your man [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► who collects candles [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► yeah and I think about that all the time [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► at some point along the way I realized [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► and what happened was I realized that [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► citizenship [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► this was the this was the big moment for [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► me that citizenship is an all-in [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► proposition and you see this all the [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► time with with them with young people [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► not just the street punks street punks [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► are on one sort of side of the of of [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► this bell curve street punks all the way [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► up to hippie hippy dippy you know I [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► don't wear leather shoes sort of people [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► people who are trying to they're trying [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► to limit the number of ways in which [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► they are fully vested in their [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► citizenship right they say yes i agree [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► that we should have driver's licenses [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► this is the Tea Party problem right I [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► agree that we should have driver's [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► licenses but i don't agree that I should [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► have to have insurance you know they're [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► trying to they're trying to set their [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► own line somewhere in the sand where [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► they on one side of the line are all the [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► citizenship things that they personally [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► agree to and then on the other side of [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► the liner all these other citizenship [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► things that they feel are [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► you know unnecessary or restrict too [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► restrictive or for whatever reason they [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► they choose not to choose that used to [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► think that they don't have to play and [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► there was a moment for me because I live [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► without ID for many years and I lived in [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► the city and I didn't have ID so i could [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► not go into bars i could not I did not [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► have a bank account when a policeman [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► stopped me I had to explain that I [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► didn't have ID and get it in the [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► inevitable lecture from the guy and they [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► never you know they were they never took [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► me allowed to not have an ID it can be [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► arrested for not presenting [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► identification [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► yeah you can be you're not allowed to [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► but when a cop stops you for something [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► and you don't have ID [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► it's really low on his list of [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► priorities like I'm gonna take this kid [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► to jail for no ID so you get a stern [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► talking-to you need ID it's important [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► you need to go get some identification [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► because I could verify my identity to [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► them it would take us 45 minutes of me [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► explaining who I was and telling my [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► social security number and all this [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► stuff you know like but in the long run [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► i did not have ID because i had drawn [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► the line somewhere on on how much I was [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► willing to participate in in mice in the [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► civilization i was living in and I had [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► this moment where i was watching someone [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► else a person I knew who was you know [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► very much like opposed to the cops and [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► opposed to the laws and opposed to the [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► man and this person you know encountered [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► some difficulties at one point and [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► called the police to come help them and [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► bitched about the police response and [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► then when the police got there they [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► whined to the police and the police were [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► like yeah you're kinda he kind of made [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► your bed in this situation but sure [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► we'll look for the guy that you know [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► stole your weed that did your own right [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► when you call the cops because we got [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► stolen look for the guy that stole your [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► weed exactly and then they leave and [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► this person commences to like talking [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► shit about the cops again and I realized [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► if you're if you are living outside if [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► you want to live outside and of the of [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► the rules if you don't want to follow [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► all the rules then you should then you [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► should also not have any recourse to the [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► benefits you can't call the cops if [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► someone steals your weed and if you sit [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► and talk shit about the cops then don't [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► call them and of course no one is what I [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► mean they're the people that are willing [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► that truly do live outside the world and [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► when somebody beats the shit out of them [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► and steals all their stuff they don't [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► call the cops because they recognize [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► that the cops will never help them [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► they're truly outside the world those [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► people we've lived desperate lives and [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► if you're not willing if you're not [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► going to live at the at the edge of [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► desperation you're really your only [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► other option is to be fully vested as a [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► citizen you need to have if you have a [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► driver's license you need to have [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► insurance if you you know if you are [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► saying I mean so you're saying it's not [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► a buffet in the same way and in the [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► marathon for hours that we cut out of [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► our discussion was before it's not about [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► that you saying you can't come in and [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► pick that this is what I decided to be [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► an atom mentally evangelistic about this [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► is the part that I've decided I is too [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► inconvenient [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► yeah exactly you cannot you cannot [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► refuse to pay your taxes and still drive [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► on the roads and bridges who you know [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► you cannot you cannot say that that we [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► shouldn't that if you don't have chick [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► kids you shouldn't pay taxes for the [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► schools and then walk down the street [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► and complain about the kid about the [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► youth of America when I like the the [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► decisions about about what constitutes [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► full membership in in society those [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► decisions are not being made by one [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► person up above who's like here are the [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► rules you have to follow it that those [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► are decisions that we have made [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► collectively as a group of people over [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► many many many hugs [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► of years and it's like this is just what [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► it's a lot of responsibility to be a [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► fully vested human being and it it [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► requires all this stuff and it isn't to [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► buffet you if you live in the culture [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► you do you have to do all the stuff and [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► you're not a rebel by refusing to do by [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► refusing to do one thing from column a [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► and refusing to do one thing from column [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► B you know it isn't you're not a rebel [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► you're just being a brat you know and [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► and you can if you don't like paying [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► taxes you can absolutely make your case [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► in the public square but you cannot [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► refuse to pay them it isn't an option [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► and you are a brat if you think that it [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► is an option just being a baby so and [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► and I came to that understanding by [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► living with feeds for for a long time [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► living living a not all the way out [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► still attached to home you know not all [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► the way out ware if the cops if some if [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► somebody beat me up [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► I wouldn't call the cops and not only [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► that but the cops would beat me up [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► you know I wasn't living all the way out [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► i was living on the fringe with with [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► with people that were also living on the [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► fringe but but they still sucked off of [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► civilization and I and I found it I [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► found it disgusting [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► ultimately I think you might be lawful [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► neutral from I was not lawful neutral [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► was one of the most interesting [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► alignments because they're you know [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► there's always that you get a lot of [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► lawful good like you're gonna be a [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► paladin you gotta be lawful good i'll be [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► lawful good for Fifi's lot of thieves [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► end up being chaotic good right or what [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► does it do [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► you don't mean like there's always [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► different alignments but I was that [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► lawful neutral was really interesting [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► because it wasn't really a matter of [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► obviously of good of good or evil [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► it was a matter of like you know you [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► know saying I always thought that was [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► very interesting that like themselves [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► like what you're describing is in a [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► weird way even though you are an [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► outsider in many of your ways you're [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► saying that if you take part of the [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► system you take the whole system and [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► that is in some sense the law don't you [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► call it ethics [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► the ethics would be a better word for it [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► but you're saying you you gotta buy into [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► the whole system [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► yeah but that I think that is a lawful [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► neutral revelation that I had within the [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► context of being ultimately chaotic good [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► that's what I always like to think i was [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► chaotic good lot of dickheads our cat [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► well I maybe I may be vulnerable to that [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► no no I'm talking about my socket i'm [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► talking about myself now at the cake and [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► good is what is the most passive [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► aggressive alignment you could choose to [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► give yourself really don't you think [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► no I think that I think using the word [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► good i think this is this is something [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► this is a very key distinction that [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► people have mistakin the word good for [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► being synonymous with the word nice [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► oh I was just talking about 17 d terms [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► but no an open area but as in life I [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► think a good guy walks around going hey [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► you know I'm a handful but I'm a nice [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► guy [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► no I think I think good i think good is [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► is perhaps one of the most powerful [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► words in the English language like good [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► is not something that you seek good is [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► not nice like good is the pursuit of of [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► capital a capital g get ya what you [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► understand to be truth [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► uh-huh and if you are pursuing good and [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► seeking it it by any means necessary [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► that that is how you get chaotic but but [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► you are chasing after you are chasing [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► after the good huh [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► and that is often very counter to what [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► two nice because in a situation where [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► you are where you aspire to being good [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► you can be in a social situation which [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► we often are where the social currency [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► is one of really compromised ethics you [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► know everybody in the group is getting [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► along great they're all really nice [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► people but you know what they're all [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► kind of liars [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► and that there is a tremendous premium [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► put on just going along with the lie [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► going along with the lie that they're [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► telling themselves going along with the [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► lie that is happening at this party [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► going along with the overall live in his [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► governing our modern culture you know [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► and to be to truly be good [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► you have to stand in that group of [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► people and say no I will not I do not [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► agree with your lie i do not i will not [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► participate in your life passively just [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► in order to make this a happy party or [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► to make everybody feel fine and it's [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► what it's I feel like a lot of times I [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► am accused of being an asshole or being [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► being caustic presence because I in [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► every situation I try and I try and stay [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► the course of what i think is my own [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► ethical responsibility and that is the [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► pursuit of what is good not the pursuit [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► of what is nice but doesn't that beat [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► down [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► it sounds like I i we we don't want to [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► get into one of those things i have to [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► cut out but i'm curious that just [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► because you're you're you're very you're [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► tough on people who are inside of a [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► system and don't adopt the whole system [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► and our what systems are you a hundred [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► percent bought into that you would you [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► accept hundred percent of well that's [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► the thing the system of law that governs [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► our scrap is deeply flawed one so it's [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► also for as many from Alaska you must [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► really realize it is also very [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► contradictory a very potter paradoxical [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► there's there's two very different [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► threads in in our great American history [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► and culture that along the way or keep [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► running into you keep running into each [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► other right [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► the sense of the Wild West and [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► exploration and sense of fair play right [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► and a sense of profit motive of course [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► so there's a lot of things you can [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► account for by picking which one of [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► those directions you think is the good [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► well sure II and recognizing that the [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► good doesn't really like in any one of [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► those directions but those are all that [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► those are all the necessities are they [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► are all yet like you are person you can [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► pursue the good while living within [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► these systems but you can't you know in [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► there and they're absolutely laws that I [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► that I do not deign to follow you know [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► what I mean there i make those choices [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► all the time [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► individual laws that I say in this [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► instance I'm gonna break this law [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► because because I know better and that [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► is kind of the that's where that idea [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► breaks down but but within that within [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► the concept of like up of government and [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► the the way that are the weather Society [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► runs the appeal to Authority the the [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► bureaucracy that keeps the lights on [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► that keeps the that when you flush the [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► toilet it goes away and doesn't just [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► empty out into the garden like all that [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► stuff I take as I take as a whole system [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► and i don't i don't Brooke a lot of like [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► well I don't know I don't pay my share [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► of that because I don't because I [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► disagree with the put with the woman [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► that got appointed to that job or [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► whatever her zooming back [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► yeah I want to be I want to always [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► aspire to make the good choice rather [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► than the expedient choice and that often [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► is in conflict with the law that is a [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► that is a paradox [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► um and you know at two o'clock in the [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► morning and i'm sitting at a red light [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► and I will [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► and I will [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► both directions and there's no car [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► coming I i go through the light it is a [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► choice really [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► thank you for is to join that I [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► routinely make that there are traffic [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► laws that at a certain hour of the day [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► in certain situations traffic laws go [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► from being laws to being suggestions [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► well I think that went to the next level [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► here's the one that I think this is not [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► necessarily a person that I admire but [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► it's someone I kind of admire and that [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► somebody who would say in that instance [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► like arrest me all you want this is just [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► a thing I'm gonna do right which i think [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► is kind of its the maybe not the [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► opposite but it's very very different [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► from somebody saying I you know I hate [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► the police except for when somebody [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► breaks in and steals my figurines or [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► something like that you know i mean [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► there's something interesting and [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► dangerous about the the true like [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► conscientious objector [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► who says you know i'm breaking this law [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► i know i'm breaking this law and I don't [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► even have to give you a reason why and [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► the system it can feel free to just [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► Jimmy up and its gears because that's [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► the decision that I've made I think [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► that's a very interesting and [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► potentially dangerous to society kind of [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► person that I'm not judging that but I'm [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► just saying that's the kind of person [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► everybody's relying on at people to at [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► least hope they don't get caught but if [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► you truly are that kind of somebody with [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► nothing to lose [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► sort of as you were describing it mean [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► that somebody that society has no idea [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► how to deal with ya a it they fill that [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► they feel a kind of monastic role [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► they're the people that that sit [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► indian-style in the public square and [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► poured gasoline on themselves and and [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► immolate themselves to protest the [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► bombing of laos in America of course [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► nobody nobody immolate themselves really [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► that much but the conscientious objector [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► like that is again like I like you're [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► saying I admire them [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► I admire them above all else and it's [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► not always because I I am admire what [TS]

01:02:03 ◼   ► they what what they're after but but [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► that you know that's nonviolent [TS]

01:02:07 ◼   ► resistance that's Gandhi that's Martin [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► Luther King [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► it's why I don't admire that the tea [TS]

01:02:14 ◼   ► party so much because there's a lot of [TS]

01:02:19 ◼   ► you know there's a lot of talk of [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► violence resistance in that group of [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► people and violent overthrow is a thing [TS]

01:02:30 ◼   ► that you know when it's time for violent [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► overthrow everybody knows it [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► it's not a thing that you it's not a [TS]

01:02:36 ◼   ► thing that you sit out in the in your [TS]

01:02:38 ◼   ► little hot tamale anything like I've [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► always said this about social media that [TS]

01:02:42 ◼   ► and add that the social media is not [TS]

01:02:45 ◼   ► what you have to say it's what other [TS]

01:02:46 ◼   ► people have to say about you and people [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► who are really interested in violence [TS]

01:02:50 ◼   ► I wonder how interested they are in the [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► violence if they were thinking about it [TS]

01:02:53 ◼   ► as ten times more violence on them in [TS]

01:02:55 ◼   ► their family then they have thought of [TS]

01:02:57 ◼   ► it doesn't matter if you going out with [TS]

01:02:59 ◼   ► a gun and acting like a big shot like [TS]

01:03:00 ◼   ► imagine your family getting their [TS]

01:03:01 ◼   ► throats slit in the night [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► that's violence right violence is not [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► your fantasy from watching cable TV and [TS]

01:03:07 ◼   ► buying a gun violence is you're [TS]

01:03:09 ◼   ► completely out of control and there's no [TS]

01:03:10 ◼   ► one there to help you that's that's [TS]

01:03:12 ◼   ► violence right and that gets lost on a [TS]

01:03:15 ◼   ► lot of people but if you're a tea party [TS]

01:03:16 ◼   ► then i'm going to talk about fast food [TS]

01:03:17 ◼   ► activism because people asking it known [TS]

01:03:20 ◼   ► and that's probably a different thing [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► but that's that's that's that's what [TS]

01:03:23 ◼   ► gets me is just the the pious pneus that [TS]

01:03:26 ◼   ► people have about the supposed to desire [TS]

01:03:28 ◼   ► for change that mean that comes down to [TS]

01:03:30 ◼   ► what they put on twitter but that I i [TS]

01:03:32 ◼   ► cannot hide the fact that drives me [TS]

01:03:34 ◼   ► completely insane I don't know how that [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► fits into your world view about about [TS]

01:03:37 ◼   ► the the the cohesiveness of buying into [TS]

01:03:42 ◼   ► the system but man when you talk about [TS]

01:03:44 ◼   ► changing and talk about trying to make [TS]

01:03:46 ◼   ► something better it's just I don't feel [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► so at odds are certainly lots of cases [TS]

01:03:50 ◼   ► where that has made a difference but i [TS]

01:03:52 ◼   ► think by and large it is so cheap in the [TS]

01:03:54 ◼   ► idea that if you care a lot about [TS]

01:03:56 ◼   ► something you can see change affected by [TS]

01:03:59 ◼   ► direct action [TS]

01:04:00 ◼   ► yeah Kony 2012 but what's that what's [TS]

01:04:06 ◼   ► that what's that times you know for just [TS]

01:04:09 ◼   ► a second i got kinda hungry is that [TS]

01:04:11 ◼   ► you're talking about having chili dog [TS]

01:04:13 ◼   ► yeah Cody dog honey island I think [TS]

01:04:16 ◼   ► there's a favorite entertaining dogs [TS]

01:04:18 ◼   ► yeah i would do give me a Coney dog [TS]

01:04:20 ◼   ► right now [TS]

01:04:21 ◼   ► it's a failure of people's imaginations [TS]

01:04:23 ◼   ► to imagine the worst case scenario [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► personally you know which is something [TS]

01:04:28 ◼   ► that it that you have done something [TS]

01:04:30 ◼   ► that I have been my whole life [TS]

01:04:32 ◼   ► what if my one of my big plan actually [TS]

01:04:34 ◼   ► worked out how would that go right [TS]

01:04:36 ◼   ► exactly what i would that really you [TS]

01:04:39 ◼   ► know like two months later [TS]

01:04:40 ◼   ► what is that going to look like and you [TS]

01:04:44 ◼   ► know it's a very popular thing in the [TS]

01:04:45 ◼   ► popular in the in the youth culture now [TS]

01:04:47 ◼   ► to think about zombies the little bit [TS]

01:04:51 ◼   ► war of you against the zombies zombies [TS]

01:04:54 ◼   ► zombies is once you start thinking about [TS]

01:04:55 ◼   ► him it's hard to stop thinking about him [TS]

01:04:57 ◼   ► that's the ministry's I'm a pretty I'm a [TS]

01:04:58 ◼   ► pretty I like to think I'm a pretty [TS]

01:05:00 ◼   ► rational person but just even a little [TS]

01:05:02 ◼   ► bit of exposure to zombies it gets me [TS]

01:05:04 ◼   ► thinking about zombies you start [TS]

01:05:06 ◼   ► thinking about zombies I don't love I [TS]

01:05:07 ◼   ► don't love it but i mean it's it's the [TS]

01:05:09 ◼   ► kind of thing where I you know I think I [TS]

01:05:12 ◼   ► think we are you know a lot of people [TS]

01:05:14 ◼   ► enjoy the occasional apocalypse scenario [TS]

01:05:16 ◼   ► certainly is a great feature speculative [TS]

01:05:18 ◼   ► fiction that I've enjoyed but i know i [TS]

01:05:20 ◼   ► think once you start thinking about [TS]

01:05:21 ◼   ► zombies boy because they don't care they [TS]

01:05:23 ◼   ► don't fucking care they're zombies are [TS]

01:05:24 ◼   ► literally zombies right point and then [TS]

01:05:27 ◼   ► idea the right there you know and this [TS]

01:05:28 ◼   ► is again like all of the great matter no [TS]

01:05:31 ◼   ► sci-fi speculation everyone thought like [TS]

01:05:33 ◼   ► all the best stuff you know it's a way [TS]

01:05:35 ◼   ► of telling the story about something you [TS]

01:05:37 ◼   ► otherwise could not have told a story [TS]

01:05:38 ◼   ► about not always not always something [TS]

01:05:40 ◼   ► two spaceships you don't mean but that [TS]

01:05:41 ◼   ► that's what makes this kind of thing so [TS]

01:05:43 ◼   ► great in that instance talk about [TS]

01:05:44 ◼   ► violence where some violence [TS]

01:05:46 ◼   ► here's somebody that you can't you can't [TS]

01:05:48 ◼   ► explain things to and and we don't like [TS]

01:05:51 ◼   ► people that we can't reason with and [TS]

01:05:53 ◼   ► where we can least try to bring to our [TS]

01:05:55 ◼   ► point of view but also somebody who's [TS]

01:05:57 ◼   ► just not even receptive to any plea that [TS]

01:06:00 ◼   ► you have about why they should not eat [TS]