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Roderick on the Line

Ep. 47: "Esquivalience"

 

00:00:00   hello John [TS]

00:00:07   hi Merlin is going well it's a little [TS]

00:00:11   early man is earlier you're working [TS]

00:00:14   these days [TS]

00:00:15   yeah well you know as you know I had a [TS]

00:00:17   lot of houseguests here for a couple [TS]

00:00:19   weeks heard about that and the last I [TS]

00:00:22   finally put the last one on a plane this [TS]

00:00:24   morning [TS]

00:00:24   you're kidding now so so I'm just so I [TS]

00:00:29   kind of woke up I woke up early just out [TS]

00:00:32   of a feeling of that that anxiety you [TS]

00:00:35   have that someone's in my house and [TS]

00:00:37   they're probably making bacon [TS]

00:00:38   yeah but no one was in my room in your [TS]

00:00:41   chili someone's getting into my chili [TS]

00:00:43   someone's messing with my globes are [TS]

00:00:45   taking pictures of my candlesticks the [TS]

00:00:48   wooden things not that cigarettes in the [TS]

00:00:50   garbage yeah snuffed out cigarettes in [TS]

00:00:52   the garbage reading reading different [TS]

00:00:54   kinds of jerky the canonical jerky zoo [TS]

00:00:56   know what i mean i dunno I dunno exactly [TS]

00:00:59   what you mean i don't know at memory [TS]

00:01:02   serves the friend i believe the friend [TS]

00:01:04   you sent out today has literally been [TS]

00:01:05   there for almost two weeks he's been one [TS]

00:01:07   of the map three weeks and you had a man [TS]

00:01:10   in your house for three weeks oh my god [TS]

00:01:12   and it's only because he walks around [TS]

00:01:14   like a he walks around like a kid on [TS]

00:01:17   Christmas morning who that uh that's the [TS]

00:01:20   only reason I could expect standard he's [TS]

00:01:22   very quiet is extremely polite he keeps [TS]

00:01:24   to himself [TS]

00:01:25   that's right you know one of my [TS]

00:01:26   houseguest was handing out $15 itunes [TS]

00:01:28   cards already catch my name [TS]

00:01:31   I'm have John and mixed feelings on this [TS]

00:01:33   we should cut all this out she actually [TS]

00:01:34   say we're talking about it should we [TS]

00:01:36   just be oblique annoy people i don't [TS]

00:01:38   know it's nice to have mixed feelings i [TS]

00:01:39   love mixed feeling citing sometimes [TS]

00:01:41   maybe maybe you should have let me which [TS]

00:01:43   you allude to do stuff more who could be [TS]

00:01:47   interesting to talk about i'm here let's [TS]

00:01:48   talk about rising so fucking jonathan [TS]

00:01:50   coulton has SAT his narrow ass on your [TS]

00:01:53   couch root for all three weeks removed [TS]

00:01:56   he moved from bed to bed he moved from [TS]

00:01:57   bed to couch to bed and now finally [TS]

00:02:00   finally gone already regret saying this [TS]

00:02:02   cuz there's I mean now this is ben [TS]

00:02:04   Pandora's vagina has flung her lobby [TS]

00:02:07   opening don't know and there is so much [TS]

00:02:09   to talk about now that i have officially [TS]

00:02:11   officially been your house [TS]

00:02:13   yeah I know but I mean my god oh geez no [TS]

00:02:16   no all good all good it's just you know [TS]

00:02:19   there's that you know but you were here [TS]

00:02:21   in the context of a larger group of [TS]

00:02:23   people to contact yeah it was you were [TS]

00:02:26   you were here both in the context and [TS]

00:02:27   out of the context of who it starts you [TS]

00:02:29   know it would be it'd be it'd be [TS]

00:02:30   different if if you were just here like [TS]

00:02:32   roaming around idly pulling books off [TS]

00:02:35   the shelves who you know I'd really like [TS]

00:02:37   changing the settings on things I mean [TS]

00:02:41   that would be one thing but it's another [TS]

00:02:42   thing to be here in the anteroom did not [TS]

00:02:44   break your usual help straining it's not [TS]

00:02:46   my fault I another thing to be here in a [TS]

00:02:49   group full of alpha alpha males [TS]

00:02:52   ok so this is gonna be the official the [TS]

00:02:54   official i think deal estar fuckery a [TS]

00:02:57   episode / more importantly discussion if [TS]

00:03:01   we may if you're comfortable about [TS]

00:03:02   exactly what happens in your house [TS]

00:03:05   people have heard about it i'm going to [TS]

00:03:07   ask maybe you don't have a bell or [TS]

00:03:08   something nearby you should have [TS]

00:03:10   something that you can hit it safe word [TS]

00:03:12   safe bell hit a safe belt [TS]

00:03:14   ok my mind is red and you tell me when [TS]

00:03:18   when when we need to cut it off okay [TS]

00:03:21   yeah well yeah as you say we just cut [TS]

00:03:23   out all the years we just stipulate i [TS]

00:03:24   will to the night again I think there's [TS]

00:03:26   a lot I don't know about how your [TS]

00:03:27   parameters protected but it will to the [TS]

00:03:29   best of my ability reveal nothing about [TS]

00:03:31   the location [TS]

00:03:32   ok good for that means by which i was or [TS]

00:03:34   was not allowed into your home right [TS]

00:03:36   here don't and and any any any evidence [TS]

00:03:39   or any-any anything that might allow my [TS]

00:03:41   house to be identified from the air that [TS]

00:03:45   ok [TS]

00:03:47   yeah alright I'll do the best I can I [TS]

00:03:49   here's the thing it doesn't have is [TS]

00:03:51   something that we've all experienced my [TS]

00:03:53   daughter's for and she's already [TS]

00:03:54   experienced this is which is the whole [TS]

00:03:55   like I had a dream and it was weird [TS]

00:03:58   because it was our house but it wasn't [TS]

00:04:00   our house and I said shut up i hate [TS]

00:04:02   hearing other people's dreams kind of [TS]

00:04:03   compulsion of mine of course I needed to [TS]

00:04:05   identify your professor who found [TS]

00:04:08   intolerable he thought he was like his [TS]

00:04:09   greatest phobia [TS]

00:04:10   hehe i just i merely I merely hate it [TS]

00:04:13   but he could not stand to hear someone [TS]

00:04:15   else's dream [TS]

00:04:16   wow really I'm updated extra the late [TS]

00:04:19   David dextran behind you buddy [TS]

00:04:20   yeah well you know what i do is i slowly [TS]

00:04:22   lower my eyelids like I'm cranking the [TS]

00:04:26   honoring of a french cafe until my [TS]

00:04:29   eyelids are just barely open just the [TS]

00:04:33   faintest touch of i'll ask why you're [TS]

00:04:36   listening [TS]

00:04:37   this is why I'm listening to someone [TS]

00:04:38   talk about the dream just like get this [TS]

00:04:41   son ambulant so yeah but you know I know [TS]

00:04:46   there's a basic problem to the dreams [TS]

00:04:48   maybe we should just talk about things [TS]

00:04:49   in Avoyelles other bullshit but his [TS]

00:04:50   dreams are very interesting except as [TS]

00:04:52   much as they are absolutely not [TS]

00:04:53   interesting or not it's that describes [TS]

00:04:56   describing a poop to somebody I would [TS]

00:04:57   rather hear about the poopy took the in [TS]

00:04:58   your dreams because he doesn't sound [TS]

00:05:00   like everybody that talk to me about [TS]

00:05:02   their dreams was really just describing [TS]

00:05:03   their last poop i would be actually [TS]

00:05:05   pretty fascinating i would be so [TS]

00:05:06   relieved and that's something that can [TS]

00:05:08   understand here's how it goes you go on [TS]

00:05:10   I just remembered something [TS]

00:05:12   oh my god I had a crazy dream last night [TS]

00:05:16   now i hate you i hate you please don't [TS]

00:05:19   say anything [TS]

00:05:19   oh no no let me just listen I want to [TS]

00:05:22   make it clear I I don't want to hear [TS]

00:05:24   your dream it's not just you i never [TS]

00:05:26   want to hear anybody fucking tell me [TS]

00:05:27   their dream I don't care and it won't be [TS]

00:05:29   as cool as you think it is and then turn [TS]

00:05:31   the annual drift off and say you [TS]

00:05:32   couldn't really describe it [TS]

00:05:33   that's gonna happen that's not how you [TS]

00:05:34   described you to notice it was so funny [TS]

00:05:37   because it was like I was in school but [TS]

00:05:38   it was a museum and it was like I was in [TS]

00:05:41   a boat but no and I would i remember [TS]

00:05:45   that i had arms and eyes are lowering [TS]

00:05:49   laughs and you were there but it wasn't [TS]

00:05:51   you know although i will make a caveat [TS]

00:05:54   right we'll make an exception it's very [TS]

00:05:56   early i don't know how I don't know how [TS]

00:05:58   to speak you i'm really sorry i will [TS]

00:06:00   make an exception for someone who treats [TS]

00:06:02   me about other dream I'll see okay what [TS]

00:06:06   all right so we were in my dreams let's [TS]

00:06:08   explain why cause you got a hundred [TS]

00:06:09   forty fucking characters there's no [TS]

00:06:11   epilogue there's no prologue excuse me [TS]

00:06:13   there's no prologue and there's no [TS]

00:06:14   epilogue you you merely say I had a [TS]

00:06:16   weird dream last night that my pillows [TS]

00:06:18   turn into John Roderick weird [TS]

00:06:20   perfect thank you yeah right yes it goes [TS]

00:06:24   on you amble on through this thing and [TS]

00:06:26   already the thing is i think it's [TS]

00:06:28   probably a poetic name for this but you [TS]

00:06:30   know every time we we remember a memory [TS]

00:06:32   we exchanged a little bit and he created [TS]

00:06:34   a little bit [TS]

00:06:35   this is just pure neuroscience degraded [TS]

00:06:37   and then amplify [TS]

00:06:39   the things that we're remembering [TS]

00:06:41   correctly yeah if you go back over here [TS]

00:06:43   recordings of yourself or you know my [TS]

00:06:45   case I go back I'm gonna hear myself to [TS]

00:06:46   repeat myself a lot of ever mentioned [TS]

00:06:48   that but i will hear myself having told [TS]

00:06:50   the same story it's different like I'm [TS]

00:06:52   always telling the best version i can [TS]

00:06:54   remember of something that happened to [TS]

00:06:55   me and it is different right [TS]

00:06:57   oh yeah absolutely so when you tell a [TS]

00:06:59   dream you're really telling a story of a [TS]

00:07:00   dream and the story sucks and then you [TS]

00:07:03   go into so finally as your you're [TS]

00:07:05   stripping and then I remember I woke up [TS]

00:07:07   a little bit but um it was you know it's [TS]

00:07:10   so hard to describe because it was it's [TS]

00:07:12   uh well and and and that's true i can't [TS]

00:07:17   describe my dreams because I stopped [TS]

00:07:18   remembering my dreams a long time ago [TS]

00:07:20   when i was when i was young i remembered [TS]

00:07:22   my dreams pretty loosely my dream [TS]

00:07:24   vividly and I remember every i still [TS]

00:07:26   remember a dream I had when I was four [TS]

00:07:28   years old in extraordinary detail but [TS]

00:07:30   apart from that I I mean I have like [TS]

00:07:31   five dreams that i remember ever yeah [TS]

00:07:33   nowadays i wake up and it's like oh yeah [TS]

00:07:36   right i was in some some warehouse in a [TS]

00:07:38   winter landscape being chased by snipers [TS]

00:07:41   and I was riding a motorcycle that I [TS]

00:07:45   built myself as a pretty good pretty [TS]

00:07:48   fucking cool dream i love the sea isle [TS]

00:07:49   of a cool dream or I'll of a dream of [TS]

00:07:51   the punchline I the thing is if it [TS]

00:07:53   really is your dream and you're not [TS]

00:07:54   making it up it probably won't have a [TS]

00:07:56   punch line is just a bunch of bullshit [TS]

00:07:58   your brains trying to figure out its [TS]

00:07:59   like the recycling bin of your soul [TS]

00:08:01   right now [TS]

00:08:02   now you you you began this by trying to [TS]

00:08:05   describe the experience of coming to my [TS]

00:08:06   house and i'm guessing it is because you [TS]

00:08:09   have dreamt about being in my house can [TS]

00:08:11   tell you something you're so I know you [TS]

00:08:13   hate this is going to continue this [TS]

00:08:17   dream it was so weird [TS]

00:08:19   now here's the thing i got your place [TS]

00:08:21   you got your perimeter i was instantly [TS]

00:08:22   identified it for reasons that I won't [TS]

00:08:24   be able to explain apart from the gps I [TS]

00:08:26   was also able to see things that you've [TS]

00:08:28   talked about you you flung open the door [TS]

00:08:30   of your home and immediately there were [TS]

00:08:33   it was as though you are fucking with my [TS]

00:08:36   head that you had listened to our [TS]

00:08:37   program which I know you don't [TS]

00:08:39   it was as though you had listened to our [TS]

00:08:40   program and deliberately tried to make a [TS]

00:08:42   house that it looked like John Roderick [TS]

00:08:44   loda because if i may say not too much [TS]

00:08:46   detail but I opened the door and and [TS]

00:08:49   rainforest first if I can like control [TS]

00:08:51   suo [TS]

00:08:52   the gate to the Garden I wasn't gonna [TS]

00:08:54   say jon postel deniability chuck Colson [TS]

00:08:58   yea-ah anyway [TS]

00:09:00   yes the gate is a pickle for the ticket [TS]

00:09:02   yeah so and then kind of stood [TS]

00:09:04   hesitantly on one side looking down at a [TS]

00:09:06   variety of ropes and cables that were [TS]

00:09:09   part partially buried i am mary i [TS]

00:09:12   admired your fruit but the beat the [TS]

00:09:15   citizens this is where I immediately [TS]

00:09:16   knew that I had gone down a very very [TS]

00:09:18   special musky rabbit hole was that the [TS]

00:09:21   door open in front of me was what i [TS]

00:09:23   believe to be possibly a baby grand [TS]

00:09:25   piano that was entirely covered with [TS]

00:09:27   brass candles and can't rest [TS]

00:09:29   candlesticks and entirely underneath it [TS]

00:09:31   was what i would guess to be two dozen [TS]

00:09:33   glass of me varying sizes all looking [TS]

00:09:38   very old and I thought holy shit because [TS]

00:09:41   like our friend jason says the problem [TS]

00:09:43   with John Roderick is it all sounds so [TS]

00:09:45   plausible until you hear the point where [TS]

00:09:47   it's not possible and it's very [TS]

00:09:48   difficult to know where the line is [TS]

00:09:50   mm there's a rack of cowboy boots there [TS]

00:09:52   was literally a rack of cowboy boots all [TS]

00:09:54   of your collections are real question I [TS]

00:09:56   saw if I say John I saw your fucking [TS]

00:09:58   Braille playboys [TS]

00:09:59   I thought that was made up yeah I we [TS]

00:10:01   browse them Scott browse the menu you [TS]

00:10:03   and scott simpson spent spent quite a [TS]

00:10:06   quite a bit of time reading the usual [TS]

00:10:07   people wish i could say you should make [TS]

00:10:09   people with white cotton gloves on the [TS]

00:10:10   handle your Braille well you know my [TS]

00:10:12   feeling about all this stuff here is it [TS]

00:10:14   here to be used to so for instance the [TS]

00:10:16   rack of cowboy boots I eyewear repair [TS]

00:10:19   even though they are of course a [TS]

00:10:22   collection of who and then the globe's I [TS]

00:10:24   consult because the gloves clubs [TS]

00:10:27   represent different eras who of globe [TS]

00:10:31   making a sort of snapshots of history [TS]

00:10:33   that you like to contrast that's exactly [TS]

00:10:35   right you look at you look at a club [TS]

00:10:38   that you find in a thrift store and you [TS]

00:10:39   look at the the nations of africa and [TS]

00:10:41   the borders of of you know it like East [TS]

00:10:46   Asia and all those boards have changed [TS]

00:10:48   all those countries are different now [TS]

00:10:50   oceania oceania rights right and here's [TS]

00:10:53   here's the thing I I don't want to get [TS]

00:10:55   into this because I'm starting to obsess [TS]

00:10:56   over it but I've been thinking a lot [TS]

00:10:57   about obsessive compulsion and howard [TS]

00:11:00   hughes I've been thinking a great deal [TS]

00:11:01   the last few days about this [TS]

00:11:03   yeah Howard Hughes Howard he [TS]

00:11:04   it is looming large in my mind right now [TS]

00:11:06   and we probably just shouldn't get into [TS]

00:11:08   it but here's something I i have to know [TS]

00:11:10   that you know which is that maps and I [TS]

00:11:14   believe with globes [TS]

00:11:15   there's always at least one fake thing [TS]

00:11:17   on it really you know about this [TS]

00:11:20   no there's a name for it it's like a [TS]

00:11:23   canary trap but the club or it's a [TS]

00:11:25   finger [TS]

00:11:26   it's a thing that makers globe makers do [TS]

00:11:28   as a kind of like that's how we know [TS]

00:11:31   it's my globe and that's what my canary [TS]

00:11:34   trap [TS]

00:11:34   bingo so here's the thing you get a map [TS]

00:11:37   you get the map it's it's flawless [TS]

00:11:39   sponsor this new map the United States [TS]

00:11:42   or as the United States I think it's [TS]

00:11:44   about the United States I really want to [TS]

00:11:45   get the result of all these years of [TS]

00:11:46   research [TS]

00:11:47   it's the most optimized version of like [TS]

00:11:49   everything that could be annoying about [TS]

00:11:50   a map they've made really great and I [TS]

00:11:52   really want it want it want it but the [TS]

00:11:54   greatest map in the world still has like [TS]

00:11:57   a fake city on it or has a fake rollout [TS]

00:12:00   often it's a fake road so they can see [TS]

00:12:02   there's only one of those are annoying [TS]

00:12:04   fucking lyrics sites on the web you want [TS]

00:12:06   to go lyrics you're Rod Stewart song and [TS]

00:12:08   you copy some text it will also copy [TS]

00:12:10   some other stuff they put deliberate [TS]

00:12:11   errors in there to find out today [TS]

00:12:13   scrapings from somebody else but now its [TS]

00:12:15   subscription that from there all [TS]

00:12:16   butthurt you know here it's the fucking [TS]

00:12:18   earth ok we get it we all we know what's [TS]

00:12:21   there but you put in a fake road now [TS]

00:12:23   here's my problem that road or country [TS]

00:12:26   or city is very unlikely to be anything [TS]

00:12:29   that I ever consultant now I can't stop [TS]

00:12:31   thinking about it I have to know what is [TS]

00:12:33   the one faking on the square searching [TS]

00:12:34   the map for the fake did you bring work [TS]

00:12:36   at all like that it does absolutely it's [TS]

00:12:39   a you know it's easter egg [TS]

00:12:40   I think I found a fake road on a map [TS]

00:12:44   not very long ago because i was looking [TS]

00:12:45   at a map of my mom's hometown and there [TS]

00:12:49   was a road so high oh this is an Ohio [TS]

00:12:51   there was a road that was named after [TS]

00:12:54   her maiden name which i won't say well [TS]

00:12:58   now [TS]

00:12:59   oh boy you better not but let's say her [TS]

00:13:01   maiden name was just give me the less [TS]

00:13:03   risk unless four digits of President [TS]

00:13:05   Cruz watch for the last four digits of [TS]

00:13:08   her maiden name [TS]

00:13:09   so what we're driving a lot we're [TS]

00:13:11   looking at this map together of her [TS]

00:13:12   hometown and she says look at that it's [TS]

00:13:14   it's a frozen gloucester road for I [TS]

00:13:17   others that's there's no road like that [TS]

00:13:19   in this town I would know about it so we [TS]

00:13:22   went to all the computer would be said [TS]

00:13:26   computer went to the computer anywhere [TS]

00:13:28   together we were zooming in on the town [TS]

00:13:31   from outer space and we're looking at it [TS]

00:13:33   and all these different places and all [TS]

00:13:34   these different directions and there's [TS]

00:13:35   this and it's like it's like a quarter [TS]

00:13:38   of a mile long this little thing yeah [TS]

00:13:40   it's nothing to nothing who very very [TS]

00:13:44   suspicious [TS]

00:13:45   yeah and she says if that was a thing if [TS]

00:13:47   they named it road after my family in [TS]

00:13:50   that town i would absolutely know about [TS]

00:13:52   it and this road is just sitting out [TS]

00:13:54   there it doesn't go for to anywhere and [TS]

00:13:56   I was like em take root holy shit John [TS]

00:14:00   look at that link i just sent a ready [TS]

00:14:01   for this you ready for the name and what [TS]

00:14:03   this is called already it has a nameless [TS]

00:14:06   this phenomenon during trap Street trap [TS]

00:14:09   Street trap Street a trap Street is a [TS]

00:14:13   fictitious entry in the form of a [TS]

00:14:15   misrepresented street on a map often [TS]

00:14:17   outside the area that nominally covers [TS]

00:14:19   for the purposes of cortical trapping [TS]

00:14:21   potential copyright violators now can [TS]

00:14:23   this be true even on a good is this [TS]

00:14:25   something that has been happening for [TS]

00:14:27   years so that all these old globe's I [TS]

00:14:29   have under the piano [TS]

00:14:30   John my concern is there may be no way [TS]

00:14:32   to ever find out those are the gloves [TS]

00:14:33   right i mean it's deliberately it's [TS]

00:14:36   deliberately incorrect and i doubt that [TS]

00:14:38   there's any kind of documentation [TS]

00:14:40   addenda appendix or etc that would tell [TS]

00:14:43   us [TS]

00:14:43   oh by the way here's the trap Street we [TS]

00:14:45   never want you to fucking find no this [TS]

00:14:47   goes now there's two streets to travel [TS]

00:14:49   treats we can go down here's a fork in [TS]

00:14:50   the trap Street first of all i want to [TS]

00:14:53   point out the legal legal issues section [TS]

00:14:55   of the trap Street page is apparently [TS]

00:14:57   some it appears the trap streets cannot [TS]

00:15:00   be copyrighted just so you know it [TS]

00:15:02   appears that under copyright law you're [TS]

00:15:04   not allowed to copyright the name of a [TS]

00:15:05   fixed rate that doesn't insist on a map [TS]

00:15:07   ok alright copyright law for the win and [TS]

00:15:10   now now now getting with this bullshit [TS]

00:15:12   email signatures we go this is to the [TS]

00:15:13   only recipient and related to kick you [TS]

00:15:16   right now i agree to nothing I [TS]

00:15:17   good-for-nothing this is not a tacit [TS]

00:15:19   contract right here I item and be and be [TS]

00:15:22   holy shit how much the stuff that's out [TS]

00:15:25   there that we're dealing with or should [TS]

00:15:27   be dealing with is actually a kind of if [TS]

00:15:28   I may say trap Street John it seems to [TS]

00:15:30   me that someone who is concerned about [TS]

00:15:31   these issues of intelligence [TS]

00:15:33   this is the kind of thing you need to [TS]

00:15:34   know about think about and maybe not [TS]

00:15:35   even admit to know don't worry about [TS]

00:15:38   traps these two double trap streets [TS]

00:15:39   could do think about what you could do [TS]

00:15:40   with trap streets [TS]

00:15:41   well here's here's the thing though for [TS]

00:15:44   me personally I although i love maps and [TS]

00:15:48   I consult maps constantly on an hourly [TS]

00:15:52   basis I very seldom use maps for [TS]

00:15:55   navigation who because when I'm going [TS]

00:15:59   from a place to another place [TS]

00:16:01   well in advance of traveling i will say [TS]

00:16:06   ok I'm going to this place up here and I [TS]

00:16:07   look at a map and I'll get the general [TS]

00:16:09   idea of the area where the where the [TS]

00:16:12   place I'm going is like I located in the [TS]

00:16:14   in the quadrant of the map but when i [TS]

00:16:17   leave home i tried to a always take a [TS]

00:16:20   different route / and be not ever really [TS]

00:16:24   exactly know what I'm going so that when [TS]

00:16:28   i get into that job i don't think i [TS]

00:16:30   could even if they could read your mind [TS]

00:16:32   is still wouldn't know exactly and that [TS]

00:16:35   not only that i have the old-fashioned [TS]

00:16:37   sensation of arriving in a location a [TS]

00:16:40   general area of high street if you will [TS]

00:16:43   in the main part of town or the you know [TS]

00:16:46   out by the beach or wherever that I'm in [TS]

00:16:48   there and I go I know it's right around [TS]

00:16:49   here somewhere and then I go up and down [TS]

00:16:52   the streets and I go back and forth mrs. [TS]

00:16:54   of course a problem what if i have to be [TS]

00:16:56   there at a certain time [TS]

00:16:57   that's not your fault but you know what [TS]

00:16:59   that's not my fault they should have [TS]

00:17:00   accounted for that so and then I start [TS]

00:17:02   then I have bet that that X the [TS]

00:17:04   excitement and the satisfaction of [TS]

00:17:06   discovering the place and and and very [TS]

00:17:09   often going directly to it because it's [TS]

00:17:12   the obvious it's obvious it's like i'm [TS]

00:17:15   going to i'm going to a place called the [TS]

00:17:18   tower building and you get out there and [TS]

00:17:20   it's like huh well there's only one [TS]

00:17:21   place that could be this bet that [TS]

00:17:23   building up their looks like a tower and [TS]

00:17:25   none of the other buildings do so anyway [TS]

00:17:28   that is a that is a way in which so I do [TS]

00:17:30   not use g [TS]

00:17:31   yes so they just simply up well let's [TS]

00:17:34   just take this ready but for you it's [TS]

00:17:35   not simply a matter of cartographical [TS]

00:17:38   cheating you certainly want a sharp mind [TS]

00:17:40   you're not gonna you're not gonna shave [TS]

00:17:42   with soap [TS]

00:17:42   you're gonna you're gonna have the [TS]

00:17:43   minimal number of steps exposed to [TS]

00:17:45   people as part of your process but then [TS]

00:17:47   you're learning also it's your auto [TS]

00:17:49   didacticism that doesn't follow your [TS]

00:17:50   nose is that exactly and and so what is [TS]

00:17:53   much more likely and what happens all [TS]

00:17:54   the time is that I discovered roads that [TS]

00:17:56   are not on the map rather than thinking [TS]

00:17:59   that there's a road because they were [TS]

00:18:01   because it says so on the map and then [TS]

00:18:02   there's no Road this is it [TS]

00:18:04   I mean is it the opposite of a trap [TS]

00:18:06   Street i'm guessing that I'm guessing if [TS]

00:18:08   you are making a trap Street you would [TS]

00:18:10   not make the trap Street you could not [TS]

00:18:12   locate the trap Street on your map in a [TS]

00:18:14   place where people would say wow that's [TS]

00:18:17   a cool shortcut you know I mean nobody [TS]

00:18:19   nobody what she described with made with [TS]

00:18:22   the maiden lane was was exactly how it [TS]

00:18:25   works I think you'll see a little [TS]

00:18:27   cul-de-sac [TS]

00:18:28   that's called like Jackie court and so [TS]

00:18:31   jokey court and it doesn't even matter [TS]

00:18:33   what it is probably it should look [TS]

00:18:34   plausible but the point is if they're [TS]

00:18:36   going to Xerox that or whatever people [TS]

00:18:37   do today [TS]

00:18:38   scan it yeah right it's not gonna matter [TS]

00:18:40   what is going to fax it to each other it [TS]

00:18:42   could be called fuck you in the eye lane [TS]

00:18:43   that's the thing is that like it's going [TS]

00:18:45   to show up on mapping oh haha we might [TS]

00:18:48   we might own the copyright on fuck you [TS]

00:18:50   but probably not but not yet boy that [TS]

00:18:53   you know who I don't know I guess I'm [TS]

00:18:55   just thinking it's in again please say [TS]

00:18:58   as little as you can about this unless [TS]

00:18:59   you want to say more it just strikes me [TS]

00:19:00   that when you get into the area of [TS]

00:19:02   intelligence or or HUMINT or or our [TS]

00:19:06   element or any of the different kinds of [TS]

00:19:08   Intel yeah right you meant for our [TS]

00:19:11   listeners who are not adverse to MIT in [TS]

00:19:13   the clandestine arts it's just human [TS]

00:19:15   intelligence i learned about that after [TS]

00:19:17   the 911 you hear people saying that a [TS]

00:19:19   lot of people were confused about what [TS]

00:19:20   it meant the ordinance yeah human sounds [TS]

00:19:24   like something that you would put in the [TS]

00:19:25   bottom of the flower pot in order to [TS]

00:19:27   have your petunias group I knew Abe and [TS]

00:19:30   humans who [TS]

00:19:33   hello so hello idea where there's a lot [TS]

00:19:36   there's a lot at the lot on the cable [TS]

00:19:37   here we're not even near that ukulele [TS]

00:19:39   string [TS]

00:19:40   yeah you know butBut press on press on [TS]

00:19:43   well okay I all I'm saying is ok here [TS]

00:19:45   let me give you a few examples for [TS]

00:19:47   example uh I i if i remember correctly [TS]

00:19:50   Dick Cheney who I think might be even [TS]

00:19:54   more monkey balls than you dick cheney I [TS]

00:19:56   believe had the Naval Observatory [TS]

00:19:58   removed from google maps [TS]

00:20:00   oh he had it he added pixel it's smudged [TS]

00:20:04   ya Yin like maybe he had shifted a [TS]

00:20:06   couple feet i don't know right now you [TS]

00:20:08   remember when for example there's many [TS]

00:20:10   issues you may remember that when gps [TS]

00:20:12   first became a consumer product there's [TS]

00:20:14   a built-in fucked upness to it where [TS]

00:20:15   they made it off [TS]

00:20:17   first of all lucky we got good it was [TS]

00:20:19   still you are never allowed to be closer [TS]

00:20:20   than 14 feet or something but almost [TS]

00:20:22   more than that it was like 10 feet at [TS]

00:20:23   first because you didn't want to be able [TS]

00:20:25   to put a bomb right in the kaisers [TS]

00:20:27   pocket right right or drop drop the [TS]

00:20:29   bombs between the minarets down on [TS]

00:20:31   casbah Lane who is in a cast by that is [TS]

00:20:34   that is that a plane as by way [TS]

00:20:36   okay yeah uh well yeah and in fact uh [TS]

00:20:39   you know in those early days of [TS]

00:20:40   satellite pictures on the internet i had [TS]

00:20:43   a lot of there's a lot of there's a lot [TS]

00:20:47   of forest that i was very interested in [TS]

00:20:49   what was underneath it and I would go to [TS]

00:20:52   these places on the globe and I would [TS]

00:20:53   zoom in on these dark forests and then [TS]

00:20:57   they had decided that because these [TS]

00:20:58   forests were either a just empty forest [TS]

00:21:01   or be forests concealing special [TS]

00:21:04   installations that you could assume in [TS]

00:21:07   on him it was just it was like that's [TS]

00:21:08   just green green side that whoo-hoo-hoo [TS]

00:21:11   decide that now again I'm not gonna let [TS]

00:21:12   Howard Hughes into this but I know there [TS]

00:21:14   are ways that you can send specially [TS]

00:21:16   coded messages through a variety of [TS]

00:21:17   people so that there is no backwards [TS]

00:21:19   contamination of fake appetite us from a [TS]

00:21:20   man with cancer and a variety of ways [TS]

00:21:22   you can it was called a paddle out of 50 [TS]

00:21:24   Kleenexes i know that there are ways [TS]

00:21:26   that you can handle these things and a [TS]

00:21:28   is there a way to ensure that there's [TS]

00:21:30   the right brush coverage for [TS]

00:21:31   installation and be who sends who holds [TS]

00:21:35   the paddle tissues in their hand to let [TS]

00:21:37   someone know that that installation [TS]

00:21:38   needs to be reformatted what'swhat's [TS]

00:21:41   Google's motto uh oh that don't be evil [TS]

00:21:46   don't be evil who write so take it as [TS]

00:21:49   read if you assume that if your motto is [TS]

00:21:51   don't be evil that google is never evil [TS]

00:21:54   we can only be whoo-hoo lot models got [TS]

00:21:56   to be true right i mean absolutely not [TS]

00:21:58   it's in the name monocytes precisely [TS]

00:22:00   it's it's a it's by definition google [TS]

00:22:03   has never been evil and so they cannot [TS]

00:22:05   have possibly collaborated right in in [TS]

00:22:08   in smudging out there map program with [TS]

00:22:10   evil forces or people that have secret [TS]

00:22:12   installations in the forest so it has to [TS]

00:22:15   be either a just a coincidence be an [TS]

00:22:18   accident so for baby you know there's [TS]

00:22:21   your thumb thumb smudge on the lens lips [TS]

00:22:23   or uh or the or it's like a Stuxnet [TS]

00:22:27   thing where the government has great [TS]

00:22:29   here we go as written aspects not [TS]

00:22:30   program stuff net program this is the [TS]

00:22:33   one that's gonna be the one john blurbs [TS]

00:22:35   out all their secret forest background [TS]

00:22:37   check a small bag you got about 40 [TS]

00:22:38   seconds to pick that he getting I don't [TS]

00:22:42   have a small bag that commander we were [TS]

00:22:47   we were spotted all pick forged wire her [TS]

00:22:51   treachery and looks like a swimming pool [TS]

00:22:54   might have to bring it over [TS]

00:22:56   I've got it I've got a safe room I've [TS]

00:22:59   got a I've got a decoy safe route [TS]

00:23:02   haha i have a tunnel under the street [TS]

00:23:05   and I have it all away from this place [TS]

00:23:07   setting aside Howard use this is why I'm [TS]

00:23:09   obsessed with this it seems very [TS]

00:23:10   important John having IC having a safe [TS]

00:23:13   room [TS]

00:23:14   yeah they're just gonna burn it down [TS]

00:23:16   around you i was trying to explain the [TS]

00:23:18   very little bit that I understand about [TS]

00:23:19   security to people and what's that [TS]

00:23:22   what's that one that was the term that [TS]

00:23:23   they use okay for example try to explain [TS]

00:23:26   to my friend how I think about security [TS]

00:23:28   and as a demonstration we were in like a [TS]

00:23:30   little green room conference room thing [TS]

00:23:32   I took I took six paper cups and I put [TS]

00:23:35   them on a table and I said which one has [TS]

00:23:37   the million dollars under it you have [TS]

00:23:38   one guess [TS]

00:23:40   and he said I have no idea so I [TS]

00:23:43   surreptitiously took one of the cups and [TS]

00:23:44   drew a giant lock on it and said this is [TS]

00:23:47   locked and then I move them all around i [TS]

00:23:49   said ok which one of those as [TS]

00:23:51   million-dollar after it and and it the [TS]

00:23:55   one with the law [TS]

00:23:56   oddly enough he picked them with the [TS]

00:23:58   giant fucking lock on it my concern [TS]

00:24:01   somebody goes out and they spend like [TS]

00:24:02   probably 4,000 29 million dollars on a [TS]

00:24:05   safe room you could probably buy a pro [TS]

00:24:07   very nice safe room right yeah but do [TS]

00:24:09   you think the safe room is gonna come [TS]

00:24:11   it's gonna cost you fifty thousand [TS]

00:24:13   dollars for the base model [TS]

00:24:14   yeah yeah it's like it's like a [TS]

00:24:16   Rorschach finding the comedian's costume [TS]

00:24:18   he's gonna go make sure the closet [TS]

00:24:20   he's going to see at like a medieval [TS]

00:24:21   horror style huh that's kind of weird [TS]

00:24:24   there's an extra like couple inches here [TS]

00:24:25   I wonder what's going on here you can [TS]

00:24:27   get a fucking blueprint of any house in [TS]

00:24:29   America that's not going to be hard i [TS]

00:24:30   think what you need isn't as an [TS]

00:24:32   obviously overstock super obvious but [TS]

00:24:35   secret enough safe room and that net [TS]

00:24:38   becomes sure that becomes your trap your [TS]

00:24:39   trap room right wrap from craft room [TS]

00:24:41   they go there and they think he's gotta [TS]

00:24:43   be in here somewhere and they spent 15 [TS]

00:24:46   hours with an arc welder trying to break [TS]

00:24:47   in through your vintage safe door i'm [TS]

00:24:50   not giving away too much here now [TS]

00:24:52   vintage and vintage can be a very long [TS]

00:24:54   time John and and in fact you're safe [TS]

00:24:57   room is just it's just this ikea bed but [TS]

00:25:00   had a hinge on it that led to a stairway [TS]

00:25:02   that's kind and that's here [TS]

00:25:05   hey nobody's gonna look under the ikea [TS]

00:25:07   but that's not the first place you're [TS]

00:25:08   gonna look you know my whole life this [TS]

00:25:11   has become kind of a thing now to like [TS]

00:25:13   have a house with you know [TS]

00:25:14   oh if you're rich person your bookcase [TS]

00:25:16   can turn around like I can take on how [TS]

00:25:17   much my entire life i have wanted to [TS]

00:25:20   have tunnels in my house and under my [TS]

00:25:22   house I think every single listener [TS]

00:25:24   robbery gone that has survived this far [TS]

00:25:26   yeah probably has a desire to have a [TS]

00:25:30   bookcase that opens to reveal a secret [TS]

00:25:32   room or or a fake secret room [TS]

00:25:34   ah no no no i think absolutely right i [TS]

00:25:37   bet i bet all of us either on our desk [TS]

00:25:38   or in our head or in an undisclosed [TS]

00:25:41   location and I do have the domain name [TS]

00:25:42   undisclosed location com [TS]

00:25:44   actually um you somewhere you have you [TS]

00:25:46   have a jar that if it is not full of [TS]

00:25:49   your own urine for sanitary reasons [TS]

00:25:50   probably is full of pocket change [TS]

00:25:52   because you're saving up to fucking [TS]

00:25:54   retrofit whatever you live in to have [TS]

00:25:56   tunnels [TS]

00:25:57   I I was like having a slide would be [TS]

00:25:59   nice now in the professor is so nice [TS]

00:26:02   this is very important professor X's [TS]

00:26:03   mansion they have escaped tunnels so [TS]

00:26:04   that the Sentinels are or striker comes [TS]

00:26:06   to have a way to get out [TS]

00:26:07   I don't understand at this point in my [TS]

00:26:08   life I don't understand I'm 45 years old [TS]

00:26:10   and living in a place with two means of [TS]

00:26:12   egress both of which are exposed [TS]

00:26:14   you don't know what it's like to have a [TS]

00:26:15   child live with that why would i would [TS]

00:26:17   be very I would prevent [TS]

00:26:19   possible yeah agent my house has many [TS]

00:26:21   many ground floor excellence your house [TS]

00:26:25   hmm you just be really should be real [TS]

00:26:27   careful about this but the room that I [TS]

00:26:29   slept in that last couple nights [TS]

00:26:31   yeah it occurred to me that that that [TS]

00:26:32   room is kind of the center of the house [TS]

00:26:34   even though it feels like the least [TS]

00:26:35   important room in the house there's one [TS]

00:26:37   room we can zip through it and you're [TS]

00:26:38   almost you're almost anywhere in the [TS]

00:26:40   house including upstairs in a second [TS]

00:26:42   yeah and you'll notice you may not [TS]

00:26:44   notice this I should probably shouldn't [TS]

00:26:45   reveal this we can cut it out will end [TS]

00:26:47   up we're gonna end up cutting out pretty [TS]

00:26:48   much everything except Hodgman breaking [TS]

00:26:50   your ukulele but that room has as a [TS]

00:26:54   variety of motion detectors in it [TS]

00:26:56   food because even though it is the least [TS]

00:26:59   important room in the house even though [TS]

00:27:01   it appears to be the least important [TS]

00:27:02   room in the house you would no matter [TS]

00:27:05   where you were in the house you would [TS]

00:27:07   end up passing through that room [TS]

00:27:09   triggering the motion detectors [TS]

00:27:11   aah so when I was this motion detectors [TS]

00:27:14   around my house [TS]

00:27:15   sure I noticed you had their little bit [TS]

00:27:18   what out of period and a krista connect [TS]

00:27:20   the reverse the mechanistic I noticed [TS]

00:27:22   that you have several very difficult to [TS]

00:27:24   notice motion detectors and you can put [TS]

00:27:28   them in places where it's like oh well [TS]

00:27:30   here I'm protecting my whatever my boot [TS]

00:27:33   collection who but that's not what you [TS]

00:27:35   to be put motion detectors in places [TS]

00:27:38   where people think that they will be [TS]

00:27:39   passing on observed you put them in [TS]

00:27:41   places where people are like oh well [TS]

00:27:42   just you know take a shortcut through [TS]

00:27:45   here like uh-huh right exactly is this [TS]

00:27:47   kind of helped enough tactics have been [TS]

00:27:50   upto can write like all i need to do or [TS]

00:27:52   like for that matter in a big brother [TS]

00:27:53   all i have to do is make you have a [TS]

00:27:56   plausible gut feeling that you either [TS]

00:28:00   are being watched or more likely could [TS]

00:28:02   be being watched [TS]

00:28:03   often enough right you only need to [TS]

00:28:05   point at you is a tinted window [TS]

00:28:07   whoo-hoo nothing has to be behind it who [TS]

00:28:10   as long as there's a tinted window there [TS]

00:28:12   the the suspicion that someone is behind [TS]

00:28:14   it watching you who mmm well that's good [TS]

00:28:18   and so who and so that room I was that [TS]

00:28:20   were me I would fortify that room is the [TS]

00:28:22   panopticon room [TS]

00:28:23   panopticon it is kind of at the center [TS]

00:28:25   to that's right well in any case it was [TS]

00:28:28   it was it was amazing to get to see all [TS]

00:28:30   the stuff firsthand [TS]

00:28:32   he will restore your chili it was it was [TS]

00:28:35   absolutely amazed and full of swords you [TS]

00:28:37   know I had a brief was gonna pay was a [TS]

00:28:40   foil whatever I didn't think you had a [TS]

00:28:43   saber yes gotta attack me with a sword [TS]

00:28:45   he did and he gave you and he he he [TS]

00:28:47   actually threw you a sword movement said [TS]

00:28:49   defend yourself i started crying what's [TS]

00:28:52   called a sword was a very uncomfortable [TS]

00:28:55   a very short sword fight [TS]

00:28:57   yeah he's very thin bones guys you know [TS]

00:28:59   he's very small tumor so it makes it [TS]

00:29:01   hard for him to breathe so you and and [TS]

00:29:05   Scotty exactly directly connect the trap [TS]

00:29:07   streets [TS]

00:29:08   yes absolutely yeah he's got Simpson and [TS]

00:29:11   and john hodgman and jonathan coulton [TS]

00:29:13   and Kathleen Edwards and four for a [TS]

00:29:18   brief period even Jonathan Colton's [TS]

00:29:20   performed henchmen Scarface who were all [TS]

00:29:23   staying in my house at once [TS]

00:29:25   it should have worked there's no reason [TS]

00:29:27   in the world should have worked but a [TS]

00:29:29   but in fact it did you kept finding more [TS]

00:29:32   places for people to sleep that maybe it [TS]

00:29:34   kind of made me think I realized by the [TS]

00:29:36   time that everybody was there it was [TS]

00:29:38   getting to be close quarters [TS]

00:29:39   even though you have to you know at [TS]

00:29:41   least two bathtubs that you'll discuss [TS]

00:29:42   and numerous numerous you know restroom [TS]

00:29:46   facilities I kept thinking I keep a [TS]

00:29:48   little bit like MOOCs in a phone booth I [TS]

00:29:50   kind of started to wonder how many more [TS]

00:29:52   delist entertainmentcelebrities could [TS]

00:29:55   potentially sleep in this house that [TS]

00:29:56   there's more room if you need it but [TS]

00:29:59   when i was considering is there there's [TS]

00:30:01   absolutely room for more bends I just [TS]

00:30:03   haven't I don't want my I don't want my [TS]

00:30:07   house to look like a safe house you know [TS]

00:30:08   what I mean like I what I don't know [TS]

00:30:11   you're saying somebody comes in with [TS]

00:30:12   like some kind of extra heat vision [TS]

00:30:14   goggles they see 35 days they're gonna [TS]

00:30:16   have questions [TS]

00:30:17   yeah exactly and i kinda wanna take a [TS]

00:30:19   look at the harriet tubman of indie rock [TS]

00:30:21   i hope you feel like it looks right I'm [TS]

00:30:23   not running an underground where at [TS]

00:30:24   railroad for people whose careers were [TS]

00:30:26   on the rock haha i'm a i-i-i i'm i'm [TS]

00:30:31   running a house here and I wanted to [TS]

00:30:32   look like a nice house that us so that [TS]

00:30:35   like a somewhat normal bachelor lives [TS]

00:30:38   who in by himself or with with various [TS]

00:30:41   you know operatives but I don't want I [TS]

00:30:43   don't want but I don't want to [TS]

00:30:44   don't want to seem like the like the [TS]

00:30:46   let's go to the mattresses scene in The [TS]

00:30:48   Godfather know where it's just it's 15 [TS]

00:30:51   guys cleaning their shotguns what I want [TS]

00:30:53   that's not saying that I know and what I [TS]

00:30:57   want like guarantee no I don't think [TS]

00:31:02   what I want without without doing is no [TS]

00:31:03   it was we learned during that that that [TS]

00:31:05   that intense time I i agree with you [TS]

00:31:08   know here's the other thing like if [TS]

00:31:09   you're one of those idiots trying to [TS]

00:31:10   fucking grow weed in your house your [TS]

00:31:12   electric bill is going to go through the [TS]

00:31:14   roof and and the black helicopters are [TS]

00:31:18   going to be shooting things at your [TS]

00:31:19   house where you will actually be a big [TS]

00:31:21   red glowing ball of ultraviolence [TS]

00:31:24   ultraviolence alright you know square [TS]

00:31:26   lights this regret this girl likes to [TS]

00:31:27   throw out a lot of wattage doing and if [TS]

00:31:30   I understand that from a black ops [TS]

00:31:31   helicopter you could actually you can [TS]

00:31:33   actually see with a heat scanner dealing [TS]

00:31:36   with a technical term you can actually [TS]

00:31:37   see who's growing wheat yeah they use [TS]

00:31:38   their heat scanner dealers [TS]

00:31:40   is that true I mean what you can say i [TS]

00:31:42   heard that story I've heard DEA guys can [TS]

00:31:44   do that absolutely can [TS]

00:31:45   although although there's some kind of [TS]

00:31:47   uh I think that they could say I think [TS]

00:31:49   it's past the search warrant question of [TS]

00:31:51   like hey we're not we're just running [TS]

00:31:53   are our infrared cameras over the town [TS]

00:31:57   looking for people who are who haven't [TS]

00:31:59   insulated there i don't think that would [TS]

00:32:01   be admissible in evidence [TS]

00:32:03   I like you I i am an amateur attorney i [TS]

00:32:06   don't think that I'm not but I'm not an [TS]

00:32:07   amateur litigator I do mostly amateur [TS]

00:32:09   contract work but as yet I believe that [TS]

00:32:12   the thing is now it whatever you can see [TS]

00:32:13   from outside somebody's house with [TS]

00:32:16   normal vision and so forth this is fair [TS]

00:32:18   game but with the with infrared cameras [TS]

00:32:21   that would that would be across the line [TS]

00:32:22   you think 2012 that's normal vision [TS]

00:32:24   I'm know exactly especially if you have [TS]

00:32:26   to settle built a purpose robot that [TS]

00:32:29   that you know what about listening you [TS]

00:32:31   know you can like hear vibrations you [TS]

00:32:32   can certainly identify the right now I'm [TS]

00:32:35   he you can hear you're not alone my [TS]

00:32:38   friend you start you start watching that [TS]

00:32:39   how he's moving start reading that bio [TS]

00:32:41   everyone else no no i've i've gone down [TS]

00:32:43   the howard hughes myself and i had i [TS]

00:32:46   climbed back out and barely made it out [TS]

00:32:50   with my clothes were shredded the future [TS]

00:32:54   yeah but you remember as we were sitting [TS]

00:32:56   in the garden have [TS]

00:32:57   a high-level conference but there was a [TS]

00:32:59   strange scenario where this guy's were [TS]

00:33:02   feeling full military helicopters and [TS]

00:33:04   low-flying Navy Jets i braid you're [TS]

00:33:07   gonna bring this up because I feel as [TS]

00:33:08   though I may be and not by your design I [TS]

00:33:10   feel like I'm being deeply drawn into [TS]

00:33:12   your world because I was a witness to [TS]

00:33:14   planes that weren't there I was witness [TS]

00:33:16   to buy your account i believe it was it [TS]

00:33:18   four to six unmarked Navy planes they [TS]

00:33:22   had a piece of the call sign on the tail [TS]

00:33:23   that might have been made up but they [TS]

00:33:25   were otherwise unmarked and sometimes [TS]

00:33:27   you can even see them and it but you [TS]

00:33:28   live by the airport if I could say not [TS]

00:33:30   super near the airport kinda wanna do it [TS]

00:33:32   I would i do that by the airport but [TS]

00:33:33   yeah [TS]

00:33:34   do you know anybody who lives by an [TS]

00:33:35   airport where there are invisible [TS]

00:33:37   helicopters i knows you were witness to [TS]

00:33:41   invisible helicopters John there's no [TS]

00:33:43   fucking question I was witness to that I [TS]

00:33:44   know people who live near airports [TS]

00:33:46   I know people who see invisible things [TS]

00:33:48   and I know a lot of people who hear [TS]

00:33:50   things that may or may not be there but [TS]

00:33:52   I was fucking witness in your yard with [TS]

00:33:54   a cup of coffee a lot of coffee I was [TS]

00:33:57   witness to with your assistance numerous [TS]

00:34:00   very suspicious Terran you know your [TS]

00:34:05   earthling what appeared to be earthling [TS]

00:34:07   aerospace devices that were right things [TS]

00:34:12   were wrong person were behaving in a way [TS]

00:34:13   that was that was inherently suspicious [TS]

00:34:15   right I understand the Doppler effect i [TS]

00:34:17   understand the Doppler effect i know how [TS]

00:34:18   that works [TS]

00:34:19   I understand that you see the lightning [TS]

00:34:21   then hear the Thunder I understand that [TS]

00:34:22   but we had a clear vision of the clear [TS]

00:34:24   skies and I swear to Christ I think [TS]

00:34:27   there were some decoy noises I think [TS]

00:34:28   there may have been some stealth copters [TS]

00:34:31   I don't have a way of explaining this [TS]

00:34:34   but but you know you here's the thing [TS]

00:34:35   you expect to see 129 of those in a year [TS]

00:34:39   and I think we saw about 16 in a day [TS]

00:34:41   well as i said to you and I think I've [TS]

00:34:43   said before if you were a UFO how would [TS]

00:34:45   you describe yourself if not as a a a [TS]

00:34:49   regular jet but just one that has no [TS]

00:34:51   markings i thought about it constantly [TS]

00:34:53   can I just say you would not write on a [TS]

00:34:55   paper cup i'm fucking UFO no you [TS]

00:34:57   wouldn't and also i am I my suspicion is [TS]

00:35:00   that these aircraft actually have [TS]

00:35:02   aircraft sound broadcasting technology [TS]

00:35:05   who where they are there they're [TS]

00:35:07   throwing they're basically throwing [TS]

00:35:08   their voices throwing their airplane [TS]

00:35:10   voices [TS]

00:35:11   so that because the thing is that by [TS]

00:35:13   living button it living by the airport I [TS]

00:35:15   am witness to dozens of jets a day that [TS]

00:35:19   behave like normal jets and they sound [TS]

00:35:20   like normal Jets and the jet flies and [TS]

00:35:22   it sounds like it's the sound is coming [TS]

00:35:24   from the jet but then there are these [TS]

00:35:26   periods these strange periods when all [TS]

00:35:28   of a sudden they're they're black hawk [TS]

00:35:29   helicopters all around with her and then [TS]

00:35:31   their jets flying but then there are [TS]

00:35:33   other there the sound of Jets coming [TS]

00:35:36   from all around and no jets at all [TS]

00:35:39   e because they're throwing their voices [TS]

00:35:41   well there's no John let's let's look at [TS]

00:35:44   the facts here could you not probably [TS]

00:35:47   tell more or less if you somewhere on [TS]

00:35:49   your block is someone shot a pistol you [TS]

00:35:51   could have a pretty i'm guessing you [TS]

00:35:53   would have a pretty good idea what [TS]

00:35:54   caliber of pistol that was whenever [TS]

00:35:56   someone on my block shoots a pistol [TS]

00:35:58   whenever sorry and it's you know and [TS]

00:36:00   it's it's not all the time [TS]

00:36:02   have a good day a regular enough that it [TS]

00:36:04   really are either either it's ramadan or [TS]

00:36:07   there's a wedding or uh something that's [TS]

00:36:11   the end of that somebody just got to get [TS]

00:36:14   away the natural result of a wedding our [TS]

00:36:16   aura somebody just got laid off from [TS]

00:36:19   their job or in the case the most recent [TS]

00:36:22   does the most recent gun that was fired [TS]

00:36:24   in my neighborhood was that my next-door [TS]

00:36:26   neighbor went into his daughter's room [TS]

00:36:29   in the middle of the night to find a [TS]

00:36:31   teenage boy there with her and the [TS]

00:36:34   teenage boy jumped out the window onto [TS]

00:36:36   the roof and my neighbor he was her [TS]

00:36:40   guest he was our guest okay my and the [TS]

00:36:44   teenage girl was telling her dad don't [TS]

00:36:46   know no and he ran out into the street [TS]

00:36:48   and the teenage boy was running up the [TS]

00:36:50   street and he fired [TS]

00:36:52   I a handful of a of 32 rounds into the [TS]

00:37:00   sky is that a Saturday night special [TS]

00:37:02   that's a well yeah basically took with [TS]

00:37:04   police police special [TS]

00:37:06   ok and so you know this is like four [TS]

00:37:09   thirty in the morning which is kinda [TS]

00:37:12   right in my that's in my afternoon and [TS]

00:37:15   so I was able to be at my window and [TS]

00:37:18   know how many shots yet last i was able [TS]

00:37:21   to be at my window and you know and pen [TS]

00:37:23   and ready [TS]

00:37:24   to engage fully ready to engage whoever [TS]

00:37:27   it was and it was my neighbor standing [TS]

00:37:29   in the street in his underwear shooting [TS]

00:37:31   his gun in the air and I went oh alright [TS]

00:37:33   well dad I'm not needed here [TS]

00:37:37   well apparently he's got he's got the [TS]

00:37:39   uniform his eyes got real well in hand [TS]

00:37:42   he's got the yeah he's got the uniform [TS]

00:37:44   of underwear and gun about 30 minutes [TS]

00:37:47   later [TS]

00:37:47   this is now five o'clock in the morning [TS]

00:37:49   there the street is full of cop cars [TS]

00:37:50   because somebody called him not me and [TS]

00:37:56   he's my neighbor is out there stone his [TS]

00:37:58   underwear explaining himself to these [TS]

00:38:00   cops and it isn't long before they're [TS]

00:38:02   all laughing and slapping each other on [TS]

00:38:04   the back and it's a it's a big you know [TS]

00:38:08   big hoedown out there and they you know [TS]

00:38:11   they wag their fingers at him and oh you [TS]

00:38:14   and he had it goes back inside and the [TS]

00:38:17   cops drive off and I'm like interesting [TS]

00:38:19   so I don't see him for a couple of days [TS]

00:38:22   but the next time I run into him I k [TS]

00:38:23   what was that all about these techniques [TS]

00:38:28   he tells me the story and it all seems [TS]

00:38:29   it all seems perfectly normal [TS]

00:38:31   that is a that is an incident that [TS]

00:38:33   that's an example of what I could [TS]

00:38:37   consider just the normal firearm [TS]

00:38:40   discharge that goes along with with the [TS]

00:38:42   with living in this part of town but now [TS]

00:38:48   that the police are testing their [TS]

00:38:49   automatic weapons down the hill [TS]

00:38:51   it is it is just it is disturbing my [TS]

00:38:54   ability to locate and identify normal [TS]

00:38:57   gunfire oh and their food [TS]

00:38:59   not a lot of people neighborhood that [TS]

00:39:00   might be just unnerving but for you that [TS]

00:39:02   is adding if I may say noise as satin [TS]

00:39:05   noise static precisely [TS]

00:39:07   yeah I i mentioned it the other day on [TS]

00:39:09   Twitter like the police are are testing [TS]

00:39:12   their I mean there that they didn't used [TS]

00:39:14   to didn't use to fire automatic weapons [TS]

00:39:16   they sat down there at their gun range [TS]

00:39:17   and then went PAP PAP PAP but now they [TS]

00:39:21   feel outgunned or something and they're [TS]

00:39:24   down there with with machine guns [TS]

00:39:27   and you know that obviously it only [TS]

00:39:30   happens for a little bit for a little [TS]

00:39:31   bit you know once it runs every few days [TS]

00:39:33   they decide to unleash a fusillade who [TS]

00:39:37   but uh but it really is you know usually [TS]

00:39:40   in this neighborhood when you heard [TS]

00:39:42   automatic weapons [TS]

00:39:43   that's when you knew that the that [TS]

00:39:45   someone was having a dispute that some [TS]

00:39:48   young people are having a dispute I [TS]

00:39:51   might have been about real estate or [TS]

00:39:53   commerce it would be it would be [TS]

00:39:55   something that would be a real estate [TS]

00:39:57   problem a commerce problem it might be [TS]

00:39:59   it might be a romantic [TS]

00:40:01   Oh issue i mean obviously young people [TS]

00:40:04   and machine guns is inherently romantic [TS]

00:40:06   oh but uh but anyway so that so the [TS]

00:40:09   police are kind of their coming up my [TS]

00:40:10   game and I believe it's another example [TS]

00:40:11   of looks like they're throwing sound [TS]

00:40:14   they're throwing sound at me in order to [TS]

00:40:17   confuse and disrupt by my normal [TS]

00:40:21   perception [TS]

00:40:23   yeah it's one thing to play a van Halen [TS]

00:40:25   to Manuel Noriega because I who knows [TS]

00:40:28   whether he's a fan yeah i think you [TS]

00:40:29   would probably be mostly okay with that [TS]

00:40:30   it's hot for teacher you might want to [TS]

00:40:32   just dig in you know and then make some [TS]

00:40:33   more coffee when they were explaining [TS]

00:40:35   that they were that they were trying to [TS]

00:40:36   irritate manuel noriega by playing van [TS]

00:40:38   halen really loud I was like how at that [TS]

00:40:41   that was right at the age where you and [TS]

00:40:42   I brought both probably were like what [TS]

00:40:45   that sounds amazing right they actually [TS]

00:40:47   play in Panama right yeah well that's a [TS]

00:40:50   link that little that's a little on the [TS]

00:40:51   news [TS]

00:40:52   it's a little on the nose but they were [TS]

00:40:53   playing it through some army grade hifi [TS]

00:40:55   system this year we have special hi-fi's [TS]

00:40:57   name i'm sorry if you can say i'm pretty [TS]

00:41:02   sure the arm that the Army has Wi-Fi [TS]

00:41:04   technology that the rest of us can only [TS]

00:41:06   dream of [TS]

00:41:07   well it seems like my boy is gonna guess [TS]

00:41:09   this is exactly around sound for years [TS]

00:41:12   weaponizing the Browns I spend so much [TS]

00:41:14   in my day worrying about when the Browns [TS]

00:41:15   every time I hear a train coming I'm [TS]

00:41:16   thinking that's it this is the brown [TS]

00:41:17   sound this is going to be disruptive [TS]

00:41:19   like I need a fucking brown sound mind [TS]

00:41:21   you know what they would test it out on [TS]

00:41:23   San Francisco to that's the first place [TS]

00:41:24   with or maybe they would have it [TS]

00:41:26   shootout at the non-existent playing the [TS]

00:41:28   mayor may not really be there there's a [TS]

00:41:29   question to you were you there i believe [TS]

00:41:31   you were there when something either to [TS]

00:41:33   my friends my friends find this either [TS]

00:41:35   supernatural or i find it embarrassing [TS]

00:41:37   were you there when a truck [TS]

00:41:40   was heard outside your house and call me [TS]

00:41:43   service i was able to identify which [TS]

00:41:45   delivery service it was always just [TS]

00:41:46   brilliant [TS]

00:41:47   yeah you were really you identified by [TS]

00:41:49   the by the sound of the diesel motor and [TS]

00:41:51   the way the truck drove to see here this [TS]

00:41:53   is the beauty of expertise I can't tell [TS]

00:41:54   you why the roast beef weighs five [TS]

00:41:57   pounds all i know is that the recipe for [TS]

00:41:59   his five pounds right you did you use [TS]

00:42:01   fedex that he said fedex and we all [TS]

00:42:04   walked around the side of the house and [TS]

00:42:05   sure enough it was a fedex truck the [TS]

00:42:06   weekend and we were like oh I'm really [TS]

00:42:09   good at it but the thing is that [TS]

00:42:10   listening to that motor to mean as a [TS]

00:42:12   non-expert who that could have been a [TS]

00:42:14   garbage truck it could have been us [TS]

00:42:17   it could've been you use certainly be [TS]

00:42:19   forgiven for sandbagging here John but I [TS]

00:42:20   i do think you're I think you're [TS]

00:42:22   sandbagging I i well anyway let's not [TS]

00:42:25   get into it but I'm really good at UPS [TS]

00:42:27   versus a postal service the the united [TS]

00:42:30   states postal service they have a very [TS]

00:42:32   very recognizable sound to them and I [TS]

00:42:36   think also ok here you ready for this [TS]

00:42:38   year's to their motor crazy maybe you [TS]

00:42:41   know like you go by we will talk about [TS]

00:42:42   this with suits like you gonna get a [TS]

00:42:43   previous now it's got to fit Carson on [TS]

00:42:45   it [TS]

00:42:45   skeuomorphism right trying to make so [TS]

00:42:47   excited about that such an interesting [TS]

00:42:49   idea John everything is related [TS]

00:42:51   are you aware that it really everything [TS]

00:42:54   is related [TS]

00:42:55   yes that's my it's on my family crashed [TS]

00:42:58   right after right after roast beef [TS]

00:43:00   sandwich to keep that in the real safe [TS]

00:43:03   room if you can say yeah I'm so I was [TS]

00:43:06   working on the crest okay here's the [TS]

00:43:08   thing i get i'm sorry to say so many [TS]

00:43:12   deliveries of various kinds right [TS]

00:43:14   no we were discussing this that you you [TS]

00:43:16   have you are taking advantage of the new [TS]

00:43:18   economy who haha [TS]

00:43:22   more than anything I am ruining the [TS]

00:43:24   environment excuse me [TS]

00:43:25   so you are someone who would rather have [TS]

00:43:28   uh you'd rather have his toilet paper [TS]

00:43:31   delivered for warehouse and China towels [TS]

00:43:34   and paper parasols flown across the [TS]

00:43:36   country and hand delivered to your door [TS]

00:43:38   if it was if it's three cents cheaper [TS]

00:43:42   then then then you would go down to the [TS]

00:43:45   corner grocery store and John if it were [TS]

00:43:47   twenty dollars more i still do it just [TS]

00:43:48   because i want to offset all of this [TS]

00:43:50   green stuff that's going on [TS]

00:43:51   so yeah you literally order your toilet [TS]

00:43:54   paper from a warehouse in Kentucky and [TS]

00:43:57   have it have it delivered hand-delivered [TS]

00:43:58   to this is this is the kind of thing [TS]

00:44:00   that should be in books what i do should [TS]

00:44:01   be in books because it is so appalling [TS]

00:44:03   on so many levels that it's the thing [TS]

00:44:05   kind of thing that people will [TS]

00:44:06   eventually write about his company based [TS]

00:44:10   in Seattle called Amazon that i use [TS]

00:44:12   amazon.com is their web address on the [TS]

00:44:14   web [TS]

00:44:15   apparently they are there turns out [TS]

00:44:17   taking over the internet according to [TS]

00:44:18   Wired magazine [TS]

00:44:19   oh they are with you we were there when [TS]

00:44:21   you got a picture taken with the [TS]

00:44:22   functional and i showed you those [TS]

00:44:23   lockers [TS]

00:44:23   ya can't seem to have same-day delivery [TS]

00:44:25   so long so long Bob's comics [TS]

00:44:29   okay so here's the thing i hate Bob and [TS]

00:44:33   I was such a dick i hate box camera [TS]

00:44:35   smaller I hate Bob's hobby shop [TS]

00:44:37   hey don't box camera store was actually [TS]

00:44:39   they helped me out but secure for prime [TS]

00:44:43   ones my dad service pistol for more to i [TS]

00:44:46   still havent and he had never cleaned it [TS]

00:44:50   as far as I could tell us ever since [TS]

00:44:52   he's just the bluing anecdote [TS]

00:44:53   yeah ever since he moved out of the ever [TS]

00:44:56   since we moved out of them maybe since [TS]

00:44:59   he left the Navy but I took it into this [TS]

00:45:01   gun shop called Bob Bob guns [TS]

00:45:03   this is that is all this story already [TS]

00:45:05   about how much loss today because the [TS]

00:45:07   blooming in this rebuilding the [TS]

00:45:08   seventies [TS]

00:45:09   well yeah but was what was amazing about [TS]

00:45:10   it was I walk into this place with a gun [TS]

00:45:12   kind of in my jacket and I walk over and [TS]

00:45:15   I'm like I put it down on the table and [TS]

00:45:17   I'm like you know hey I don't know how [TS]

00:45:18   to I don't think about this gun I don't [TS]

00:45:20   know how to clean it and I want to know [TS]

00:45:21   how to clean it i want to know how to [TS]

00:45:23   take it apart and they were they all [TS]

00:45:25   gathered around and they strip this gun [TS]

00:45:27   down to like just the just then the the [TS]

00:45:29   nuts and washers you know and the guy [TS]

00:45:32   walks me through the process of of [TS]

00:45:34   cleaning it [TS]

00:45:35   it's like field stripping it cleaning it [TS]

00:45:37   and putting it back together and he does [TS]

00:45:39   it for me like four times [TS]

00:45:42   real slow like here's how you do it you [TS]

00:45:44   can look it up he knows he is somebody [TS]

00:45:47   comes in with it with a sixty-year-old [TS]

00:45:48   45 and any and he just goes on to say to [TS]

00:45:51   them [TS]

00:45:52   absolutely and every and all the guys [TS]

00:45:54   behind the counter they're all have to [TS]

00:45:55   react to read the instructions on how to [TS]

00:45:56   change my tire every time these guys [TS]

00:45:58   look at their that the things they are [TS]

00:46:00   exactly the guys that run comic book [TS]

00:46:02   stores they're the same guys there [TS]

00:46:04   heavyset guys [TS]

00:46:05   justice there's there's there's a vast [TS]

00:46:07   although these vests are like bristling [TS]

00:46:08   with guns but they do they have the same [TS]

00:46:11   vest have the same kind of like they're [TS]

00:46:13   there they're losing their hair but [TS]

00:46:14   they've got some hair and its kind of [TS]

00:46:16   that's likes just plastered down with [TS]

00:46:18   sweat they have a beard that's trimmed [TS]

00:46:21   kind of it they trimmed it kind of kind [TS]

00:46:24   of clothes but then some haven't shaved [TS]

00:46:26   in a few days so the hair is kind of [TS]

00:46:28   going back and and they brought that [TS]

00:46:30   same expertise to this thing where the [TS]

00:46:33   again and the guy I wasn't there to buy [TS]

00:46:35   anything I wasn't there I I that we had [TS]

00:46:39   no commercial interaction of any kind [TS]

00:46:42   he just spent a half an hour teaching me [TS]

00:46:45   really slowly how to field strip and put [TS]

00:46:49   back together that field trip cleaning [TS]

00:46:50   and reassemble this gun and it was [TS]

00:46:53   because he loved it and I was so I i'm [TS]

00:46:58   still so grateful to that guy and that [TS]

00:46:59   was that was a place called Bob's guns [TS]

00:47:01   you know I'm sorry I apologize that 1000 [TS]

00:47:03   cuz it's not Hobbs the whole Bob [TS]

00:47:05   enterprise like at bobs cameras Bob's [TS]

00:47:08   bugs comic books [TS]

00:47:10   you're right i don't care about this [TS]

00:47:11   well it's just certain things that I [TS]

00:47:13   mean I don't want to be reductive as you [TS]

00:47:15   know I never want to be reductive w you [TS]

00:47:17   are not ever reductive know now a look [TS]

00:47:20   you know I its there's a certain type [TS]

00:47:22   you know and and i think that one of the [TS]

00:47:24   extreme examples can be at the comic [TS]

00:47:28   book guy right not simply the 12 steps [TS]

00:47:30   and speakers i did you send you a link [TS]

00:47:32   Herman the guy who runs the gun store on [TS]

00:47:34   the simpsons i think is pretty close to [TS]

00:47:35   what you're talking about and I live up [TS]

00:47:37   to it and square alliance as quickly and [TS]

00:47:40   are you talking about a sk valiance [TS]

00:47:42   being the wolf avoidance everyone's [TS]

00:47:44   official responsibilities that what [TS]

00:47:46   you're talking about so excited about is [TS]

00:47:47   covalent is covalent isn't a great word [TS]

00:47:50   school of aliens who is very great word [TS]

00:47:53   but anyway you were saying about the [TS]

00:47:54   jury that surveillance meeting about it [TS]

00:47:57   and I'd i'm very excited I kind of feel [TS]

00:47:59   like it should be [TS]

00:48:00   I kind of feel like that should be an [TS]

00:48:02   easter egg who bowl that's a good idea [TS]

00:48:05   yeah yeah no soap radio that's good well [TS]

00:48:07   let's check this legislation to also [TS]

00:48:09   check the door um before [TS]

00:48:13   so your usual us welcome welcome roger [TS]

00:48:16   wilco attendance can you explain to me [TS]

00:48:20   your your interest in in radio [TS]

00:48:24   terminology or is that so sure I can [TS]

00:48:26   shrink and I can also there [TS]

00:48:28   oh no no i don't think so i could I [TS]

00:48:30   little bit i can also discuss my amazon [TS]

00:48:32   workflow we can talk about chili was [TS]

00:48:35   much more interested in your amazon [TS]

00:48:36   relational you know i believe was on the [TS]

00:48:38   show that we were discussing discussing [TS]

00:48:41   some of these matters and my interest in [TS]

00:48:43   what's called voice procedure for you [TS]

00:48:47   and a friend a friend of the show i [TS]

00:48:49   believe was the show but a friend sent [TS]

00:48:50   along a fan tastic PDF that i will 40 in [TS]

00:48:54   case you missed it which is this very [TS]

00:48:57   very long document of pretty much [TS]

00:48:58   everything I've ever wanted to know [TS]

00:49:00   about all of that stuff a bunch of stuff [TS]

00:49:02   about how to identify like when you're [TS]

00:49:04   making a little map in the sand and make [TS]

00:49:05   square here and here's what we know [TS]

00:49:06   about happening it's all how to do that [TS]

00:49:08   army stuff i wish i knew about yeah and [TS]

00:49:10   I think it might even have what I've [TS]

00:49:12   been looking for for years and I there's [TS]

00:49:13   no way i can show you what i'm doing [TS]

00:49:15   right now but imagine I'm squatting not [TS]

00:49:17   and I've got camouflage camo makeup i [TS]

00:49:20   believe they got it and imagine that [TS]

00:49:22   there's a bunch of guys with me there's [TS]

00:49:24   some guys over there and other guys over [TS]

00:49:25   there and using my hand signals pointing [TS]

00:49:27   at my eyes and sticking up a certain [TS]

00:49:29   number of fingers I give directions [TS]

00:49:31   right I want to know what the fuck that [TS]

00:49:33   is and how I can do it well you know I [TS]

00:49:35   have a cousin named for that is their [TS]

00:49:37   special forces handbook here and I [TS]

00:49:38   should have made a should have made a [TS]

00:49:40   copy of it for you can even do that this [TS]

00:49:42   page is your occipital is it in like [TS]

00:49:43   blue ink or anything [TS]

00:49:44   oh good good point no I think they are [TS]

00:49:46   xerox people that release that might [TS]

00:49:49   release I you know can I apologize for [TS]

00:49:51   the hierarchies concerns that might upon [TS]

00:49:53   upon exposure to bright light like you [TS]

00:49:57   would have any say goodnight clear [TS]

00:49:59   yeah yeah well I wondered why we can [TS]

00:50:01   raise money it might it might actually [TS]

00:50:03   release some kind of a subtle gas that [TS]

00:50:05   would enable black ops to see that you [TS]

00:50:07   tried 20 special optimal I don't make it [TS]

00:50:09   weird [TS]

00:50:09   well you know the special ops manual has [TS]

00:50:12   a lot of a lot of like your tiger trap [TS]

00:50:16   instructions haha i need that I [TS]

00:50:19   that one thing it doesn't look like it [TS]

00:50:22   doesn't talk about is whether the book [TS]

00:50:23   itself is a tiger trap [TS]

00:50:24   well see this is the thing I think this [TS]

00:50:26   is the trap Street us are my best friend [TS]

00:50:29   everyday job in a thousand times when [TS]

00:50:31   conventional warfare manual this is [TS]

00:50:33   something i need to read I should [TS]

00:50:34   probably also be waterboarded not a lot [TS]

00:50:36   like a little bit you know I think [TS]

00:50:38   everybody in America should be [TS]

00:50:39   waterboarded a little bit just to [TS]

00:50:41   experience what it just to experience [TS]

00:50:42   like what what is when they should cost [TS]

00:50:45   which they pay for that would be a lady [TS]

00:50:46   doing it i think there should i think [TS]

00:50:48   there should be a little Korean lady at [TS]

00:50:49   the airport [TS]

00:50:50   whoo-hoo right next to the massage [TS]

00:50:52   tables a small like Linda hunt sized em [TS]

00:50:55   small enough that she needs to stand on [TS]

00:50:57   a on a overturn milk crate to properly [TS]

00:51:00   waterboard a big man but it'd be [TS]

00:51:03   something that as your cuz you're coming [TS]

00:51:04   you're your there at the airport you got [TS]

00:51:06   45 minutes before your flight [TS]

00:51:08   I looks like one of those creepy massage [TS]

00:51:09   tables yeah you go get somebody to pour [TS]

00:51:11   water down your throat while they're [TS]

00:51:13   holding a cheese cloth over your face so [TS]

00:51:16   you gotta just so you get a sense of [TS]

00:51:17   what I have a real different sense of [TS]

00:51:19   that the feeling of that I know it no [TS]

00:51:20   matter what its gonna be horrible and [TS]

00:51:21   ice cream for them to stop but i think i [TS]

00:51:23   would scream differently depending on [TS]

00:51:24   who is doing I'm like a lie to you [TS]

00:51:26   hmm i bet this popular in Germany but [TS]

00:51:28   not with water you mean like if somebody [TS]

00:51:30   was waterboarding you but they were also [TS]

00:51:31   kind of cradling your balls they call it [TS]

00:51:35   as i said board is important it's [TS]

00:51:37   important no way that would be still be [TS]

00:51:39   Swedish I guess anyway [TS]

00:51:41   god dammit this is gonna suck we're [TS]

00:51:44   gonna rock this episode John there's [TS]

00:51:45   just too much here what one of the [TS]

00:51:47   questions that i have for you at [TS]

00:51:48   somebody who has done multiple multiple [TS]

00:51:50   multiple podcast who I feel that we are [TS]

00:51:54   getting into a place where neither you [TS]

00:51:56   nor I can fully separate our real-life [TS]

00:52:00   interactions our podcast interactions [TS]

00:52:02   and our other the daily conversation so [TS]

00:52:05   that we are we're having this kind of [TS]

00:52:07   this hesitancy where it's like have we [TS]

00:52:10   talked about this before I know I told [TS]

00:52:12   me about this before but have we now [TS]

00:52:14   what do we do like personally I [TS]

00:52:16   personally could care fucking less if we [TS]

00:52:18   get ourselves personally personally [TS]

00:52:20   alright but but I mean more insight [TS]

00:52:23   about the time that I stole my dad's [TS]

00:52:24   plane [TS]

00:52:25   what what oh wait I've never told that [TS]

00:52:27   story I never heard that story [TS]

00:52:29   oh my gosh we'll get to that [TS]

00:52:31   yeah i'm gonna need another stack coming [TS]

00:52:33   up my game delivery truck sound my [TS]

00:52:35   amazon workflow yeah now-now workflow ok [TS]

00:52:40   we talked about this at length with [TS]

00:52:42   scott simpson which is which is how long [TS]

00:52:44   can we sustain a universe in which [TS]

00:52:46   toilet paper it is getting way in which [TS]

00:52:50   it is cost effective to deliver toilet [TS]

00:52:52   paper and uh and paper towel yeah that [TS]

00:52:55   have been flown to your town from far [TS]

00:52:58   far away I i actually have I know the [TS]

00:53:00   answer that until 25 years ago haha [TS]

00:53:04   we're already past it so here's how this [TS]

00:53:07   works I'll make this quick [TS]

00:53:09   first we should mention that you that by [TS]

00:53:10   the register will put this up a [TS]

00:53:11   tremendous photo of taken by forget the [TS]

00:53:14   clutch Scott took a wonderful photo of [TS]

00:53:16   you and I in front of a pump chili / [TS]

00:53:18   cheese machine at a 7-eleven I think we [TS]

00:53:21   both look very handsome [TS]

00:53:22   that was my local as they say in the UK [TS]

00:53:24   that's your local your local 7-eleven [TS]

00:53:26   and you say there's this is frequently [TS]

00:53:27   some very colorful characters out there [TS]

00:53:30   yeah well as we were rounding the corner [TS]

00:53:32   I i prepared you guys for before like [TS]

00:53:35   making it further over who we might see [TS]

00:53:37   attract the Phalanx of junkies you know [TS]

00:53:40   that neighborhood is one of those [TS]

00:53:42   neighborhoods that 25 years ago no one [TS]

00:53:44   in the city zoning office had held any [TS]

00:53:46   hope out for it at all [TS]

00:53:48   they were like ah this is this [TS]

00:53:49   neighborhoods like really close into [TS]

00:53:51   town and it has a bunch of big Victorian [TS]

00:53:53   houses who's ever going to want to live [TS]

00:53:54   there who [TS]

00:53:56   so this is the neighborhood that we're [TS]

00:53:57   gonna put all the halfway houses all the [TS]

00:54:00   like you know group homes and places [TS]

00:54:03   where people are have just been released [TS]

00:54:05   from jail but because their level three [TS]

00:54:07   sex offender we can't really release [TS]

00:54:09   them into the larger population so they [TS]

00:54:11   have to live together all lojacked think [TS]

00:54:14   that anything like a 17-room Victoria [TS]

00:54:19   favor guided by voices records hello [TS]

00:54:21   Jackie the repeat offender and so that [TS]

00:54:25   neighborhood as you walk down the street [TS]

00:54:27   of course of course yeah [TS]

00:54:29   in the intervening 20 years eighty [TS]

00:54:32   percent of those large Victorian homes [TS]

00:54:33   have been completely restored and now [TS]

00:54:36   have young couples living in them and [TS]

00:54:37   the and the sidewalk out front is [TS]

00:54:39   covered with chalk drawings of [TS]

00:54:40   princesses and start [TS]

00:54:42   like their children each one has exactly [TS]

00:54:45   one fucking obvious safe room right [TS]

00:54:48   there are there are from from house to [TS]

00:54:51   house you can go to bed and flags next [TS]

00:54:53   house no Tibetan flags next house [TS]

00:54:55   Tibetan flags and it kind of get a sense [TS]

00:54:57   of who from rainbow rainbow fly-in [TS]

00:54:59   princess drawing there was that there [TS]

00:55:01   was the funk band playing across the [TS]

00:55:02   street as we walked walked up the block [TS]

00:55:04   they were good and they were polite they [TS]

00:55:06   were nice they were playing out a polite [TS]

00:55:07   volume for a neighborhood and then [TS]

00:55:09   there's the victorian house which is a [TS]

00:55:12   sex offender halfway house [TS]

00:55:13   this is the one of what she spoke you [TS]

00:55:16   said you said you live near a place [TS]

00:55:17   within the puffy leather jacket episode [TS]

00:55:19   or puffy [TS]

00:55:20   yeah the unique false other guy in the [TS]

00:55:21   puffy jacket you describe it with memory [TS]

00:55:23   serves you have one place that is for [TS]

00:55:26   dangerous people and another one that's [TS]

00:55:27   for dangerous crazy people right and [TS]

00:55:30   they're both they're both on the same [TS]

00:55:31   block and they're both nice convenient [TS]

00:55:33   sell this Amazon has to bring them [TS]

00:55:35   toilet paper can you imagine the [TS]

00:55:36   economies of scale to that but you know [TS]

00:55:38   what they don't they they they just have [TS]

00:55:40   a steady like every day it's just like a [TS]

00:55:42   conveyor belt of toilet paper peanut [TS]

00:55:45   butter who and things that can be made [TS]

00:55:47   into shits well you know they're out in [TS]

00:55:50   this they're out on the street they're [TS]

00:55:51   not only are they are being held in [TS]

00:55:53   these structures these structures [TS]

00:55:55   couldn't hold them anyway they're just [TS]

00:55:56   didn't they could like punch their way [TS]

00:55:57   through the walls of these old rickety [TS]

00:55:59   houses anyway so they can they tend to [TS]

00:56:01   congregate out in front of that 7-eleven [TS]

00:56:03   and some of them are swatting at [TS]

00:56:06   imaginary bees and some of them are [TS]

00:56:10   trying to secure some methadone and some [TS]

00:56:13   of them are a you know are like standing [TS]

00:56:16   out there really like smoking really [TS]

00:56:19   angrily like they're so mad and they're [TS]

00:56:22   not mad at the cigarette we've been [TS]

00:56:24   angry smoker in our neighborhood you do [TS]

00:56:26   always super angry and very ritualistic [TS]

00:56:28   mad mad mad and smokes a cigarette all [TS]

00:56:31   the way down to the butt and then like [TS]

00:56:32   I'm gonna make a video and show this to [TS]

00:56:35   you but he has yeah you you when you [TS]

00:56:38   were in the u.s Civil Air Patrol we win [TS]

00:56:40   i was in the similar but you have to do [TS]

00:56:41   any drills with with rifles we did do [TS]

00:56:44   some rifle drills there's my god there's [TS]

00:56:46   a 16 move rifle I forget what it's [TS]

00:56:49   called but indications but there's a 16 [TS]

00:56:50   move rifle thing that I can still do in [TS]

00:56:51   my sleep with [TS]

00:56:53   it's and everything yeah boom been [TS]

00:56:55   caught right it's like firearms kata [TS]

00:56:57   it's like jock tick-tock pit pup keep [TS]

00:57:00   both side down and up and down and over [TS]

00:57:03   and imagine imagine if somebody had a [TS]

00:57:05   cigarette kata or cigarette cadence I [TS]

00:57:08   don't know what you call it so imagine [TS]

00:57:09   this guy who's very tall and very old [TS]

00:57:11   and he imagined him like starts out with [TS]

00:57:14   his cigarette at waist level lit he pops [TS]

00:57:17   it up at a 45-degree angle throws it at [TS]

00:57:20   his face as though he's trying to aim [TS]

00:57:22   for his mouth takes an angry puff pulls [TS]

00:57:24   it back out and down and doing that [TS]

00:57:26   repeatedly every one and a half seconds [TS]

00:57:28   until the cigarette is going to stop it [TS]

00:57:31   Bob chick up deep ball and you stand [TS]

00:57:34   there for that restaurant on my house i [TS]

00:57:36   like it like a great malignant gargoyle [TS]

00:57:39   so you go in and we got the Amazon you [TS]

00:57:42   got to think on amazon prime which i [TS]

00:57:44   have to mention you're probably a member [TS]

00:57:45   of that's a very secret organization but [TS]

00:57:48   you go in for 80 bucks a year everybody [TS]

00:57:49   knows this you get almost everything on [TS]

00:57:52   amazon and deliver in two days for free [TS]

00:57:55   or overnight for 399 and it's literally [TS]

00:57:58   destroying retail America and and so [TS]

00:58:00   what we do is we say you know what we [TS]

00:58:02   want the costco size box of paper towels [TS]

00:58:04   and we want that delivered to our home [TS]

00:58:07   automatically bills for it every 30 days [TS]

00:58:10   send a giant testing of paper towels or [TS]

00:58:12   house which on the face of it almost [TS]

00:58:14   sounds innocuous until you really think [TS]

00:58:15   about the fact that somebody took a made [TS]

00:58:18   some cardboard wrap paper around it [TS]

00:58:20   yeah and I wrap plastic around six of [TS]

00:58:23   those right put six of those in a [TS]

00:58:26   cardboard box and then somewhere in reno [TS]

00:58:30   nevada that is put on a truck and is [TS]

00:58:31   driven to my home so we pay to have [TS]

00:58:34   paper delivered to our house it's [TS]

00:58:36   basically could we please have a monthly [TS]

00:58:38   box of things to throw away and just do [TS]

00:58:41   you just tell me do you uh I'm guessing [TS]

00:58:43   that at the end of every month you have [TS]

00:58:44   you very seldom make your way all the [TS]

00:58:46   way through that gross of toilet paper [TS]

00:58:49   whatever i'd like to lap now I think it [TS]

00:58:51   should be clean clean start yeah you so [TS]

00:58:53   so you don't have a few there's not a [TS]

00:58:55   closet in the house where toilet papers [TS]

00:58:56   be stockpiling and and pretty soon you [TS]

00:58:59   have like the years worth in there like [TS]

00:59:00   roll it roll over sheets [TS]

00:59:02   yeah like the leftover rolls who [TS]

00:59:04   who like rollover minutes like rui we're [TS]

00:59:06   not going to have what we have extra [TS]

00:59:07   rolls that would go into our third [TS]

00:59:09   safehouse bathroom we have rollover [TS]

00:59:11   minutes and in in your toilet paper [TS]

00:59:12   here's the thing once you become a paper [TS]

00:59:14   towel person in my sense is that you are [TS]

00:59:16   i was a parsimonious i would say given [TS]

00:59:19   the high extremely high quality of the [TS]

00:59:21   paper towels that you use those blue [TS]

00:59:22   ones that are like for automotive garage [TS]

00:59:24   I use I use automotive garage blue paper [TS]

00:59:26   to which are which can be reusable us [TS]

00:59:29   it's more like at the grocery store when [TS]

00:59:30   somebody throws up or think milk breaks [TS]

00:59:32   and they just grabbed 50 of those roles [TS]

00:59:33   and start stop and stuff but all I've [TS]

00:59:35   seen matt i love that love that [TS]

00:59:37   oh no no we recently moved to one that's [TS]

00:59:40   half sheets and so I'm gonna look right [TS]

00:59:42   now those are energy [TS]

00:59:43   yeah yeah now I contrast this so [TS]

00:59:45   basically I'm single-handedly ruining [TS]

00:59:47   the environment [TS]

00:59:47   I contrast this with my grandfather my [TS]

00:59:49   my grandfather who was it was probably [TS]

00:59:51   the cheapest man I ever met my life he [TS]

00:59:53   was instructing me on how to wipe by [TS]

00:59:55   saying that you never need more than a [TS]

00:59:57   total of six sheets of single play [TS]

00:59:57   total of six sheets of single play [TS]

01:00:00   toilet paper to take care of your your [TS]

01:00:02   bottom area [TS]

01:00:03   yeah this is what is this is what I grew [TS]

01:00:05   up with Jonathan Scott toilet paper and [TS]

01:00:07   directions from a man from South America [TS]

01:00:08   and white [TS]

01:00:09   well you know between his probably bent [TS]

01:00:13   his defense when he was a kid he had he [TS]

01:00:15   had like a banana leaf that he carried [TS]

01:00:16   with him everywhere [TS]

01:00:18   yeah he's colonialists oh so he's really [TS]

01:00:20   nice banana leaves [TS]

01:00:21   oh well he had a rag that he had a rag [TS]

01:00:22   that something was track right watch out [TS]

01:00:24   for they call it a hairy Harry rag you [TS]

01:00:27   got you got you got you 33 for the first [TS]

01:00:29   for the first first cut and in 24 second [TS]

01:00:33   time you know [TS]

01:00:33   oh my god if you want to do it till it's [TS]

01:00:35   bloody you you better you better get in [TS]

01:00:36   there fast because that's you get six [TS]

01:00:38   and that's it [TS]

01:00:39   yes he was very upset with how much [TS]

01:00:40   here's the other thing to a paper towels [TS]

01:00:42   he had this friend so might my [TS]

01:00:45   grandparents and their best friends have [TS]

01:00:47   both retired from Cincinnati [TS]

01:00:48   gas-electric at the same time and move [TS]

01:00:50   to the same place in Florida and the [TS]

01:00:52   victim to be friends for life [TS]

01:00:54   John Klump you think they were having [TS]

01:00:55   tea parties I i have certainly thought [TS]

01:00:57   about it I've wanted my father my [TS]

01:00:59   grandfather was a war criminal [TS]

01:01:01   he was definitely not a dentist he came [TS]

01:01:03   here to become a dentist and that never [TS]

01:01:04   happened i think it was some kind of a [TS]

01:01:05   jam up [TS]

01:01:06   I don't know but John club became [TS]

01:01:08   everything that went wrong in the house [TS]

01:01:09   he would explain how John Klump did it [TS]

01:01:11   better now in John Klumps house you have [TS]

01:01:13   a one paper towel one paper 21 paper [TS]

01:01:16   towel or napkin for lunch you fold it [TS]

01:01:18   like a fucking gentleman you put it [TS]

01:01:20   under your placement because you're 17 [TS]

01:01:22   you have a placement and use it again at [TS]

01:01:23   dinner that's how my grandfather rolled [TS]

01:01:24   why haha oh he kept he kept John he kept [TS]

01:01:28   a close eye on the paper now wait a [TS]

01:01:30   minute give me give me the give me the [TS]

01:01:31   back story on why you have any [TS]

01:01:33   suspicions at all but your grandfather [TS]

01:01:35   might have been a war criminal in South [TS]

01:01:37   America he was he was one of those guys [TS]

01:01:38   he was missing from South America or did [TS]

01:01:41   he do ya simply stop over in South [TS]

01:01:43   America who two things yes good question [TS]

01:01:46   well you know have lost generation I [TS]

01:01:48   think he was like what the found [TS]

01:01:49   generation he was lucky bastards that [TS]

01:01:51   was too young for war one and two old [TS]

01:01:54   four World War two [TS]

01:01:55   so obviously i don't think he was [TS]

01:01:57   rolling daring or or such [TS]

01:01:59   he his family were Colonials they were [TS]

01:02:01   they were diamond people low-level [TS]

01:02:03   diamond people from London who just [TS]

01:02:04   happened to be in british guiana Wow [TS]

01:02:07   bring johnstown turns out turns out boy [TS]

01:02:10   and he could use he could use the n-word [TS]

01:02:12   with abandoned [TS]

01:02:13   I was really good at it he was I really [TS]

01:02:14   really good at it i really want to hear [TS]

01:02:16   more about him that what we get we could [TS]

01:02:18   certainly get into that [TS]

01:02:19   yes I all I'm saying is if I can if I [TS]

01:02:21   can identify the sound of my paper [TS]

01:02:22   towels arriving right yeah it was an [TS]

01:02:25   exciting day that's like Christmas [TS]

01:02:27   morning [TS]

01:02:27   ok so my favorite towels are here the [TS]

01:02:29   paper towels are here one of Howard [TS]

01:02:32   Hughes had extremely detailed written [TS]

01:02:33   instructions about the any kind of [TS]

01:02:35   paddles you make up that you make it you [TS]

01:02:36   need a certain number of paddles paddles [TS]

01:02:38   are what you would use to handle things [TS]

01:02:39   so if you're going to open a cabinet [TS]

01:02:41   that required five Kleenexes he wrote [TS]

01:02:42   these out he had I posted this on my [TS]

01:02:44   internet site he had like that in public [TS]

01:02:46   restrooms I know rather paper towel in [TS]

01:02:50   my hand here he had three pages single [TS]

01:02:53   spaced on how his staff was to open [TS]

01:02:55   canned fruit [TS]

01:02:56   listen I don't think it's healthy for [TS]

01:02:57   you two to start researching Howard [TS]

01:02:59   Hughes and feature it's it's too it's [TS]

01:03:02   too close to feature click halfway the [TS]

01:03:04   future you have to leave that alone and [TS]

01:03:07   you should you should research you [TS]

01:03:09   should reach research people that are [TS]

01:03:10   like they're having sex parties and [TS]

01:03:12   enter you know what you're there you're [TS]

01:03:15   you know what it is it's too on-the-nose [TS]

01:03:16   i think i think so anyway I was on a [TS]

01:03:19   program the other day discussing [TS]

01:03:20   obsessive-compulsive disorder and I [TS]

01:03:23   didn't even realize how much of a [TS]

01:03:26   certain kind of casino for example and [TS]

01:03:28   I'm this is not about you accepted as [TS]

01:03:29   much as it's probably about you you know [TS]

01:03:31   hoarding hoarding just such an ugly word [TS]

01:03:34   it's enabled store terrible word tonight [TS]

01:03:36   I mean to wrap you hoarding is a form of [TS]

01:03:38   OCD you know that right [TS]

01:03:40   well yeah when you when you have when [TS]

01:03:41   you have stacks of like old coupons and [TS]

01:03:43   like empty cans of beans lying around [TS]

01:03:47   that's hoarding yeah but what I'm doing [TS]

01:03:49   this what I'm doing is collecting I [TS]

01:03:51   think you're you're an archivist your [TS]

01:03:53   historian yeah um that the only family [TS]

01:03:56   only if i could get paper towels and [TS]

01:03:58   toilet paper from goodwill then I think [TS]

01:04:00   haha so it might be distressed but it's [TS]

01:04:03   definitely not used it's probably sealed [TS]

01:04:06   by as part of supertrain who my the [TS]

01:04:10   initial concept of super train was that [TS]

01:04:12   you would have in home recycling so that [TS]

01:04:16   all you all your glass and your aluminum [TS]

01:04:19   now never could have dreamed it would go [TS]

01:04:21   this far [TS]

01:04:22   it's not it's it's not that [TS]

01:04:24   yard I you know backyard steel but it [TS]

01:04:28   but it is you know you have a little you [TS]

01:04:30   have a little that some holes in the [TS]

01:04:32   kick in the countertop and you can you [TS]

01:04:34   separate your recycling as you do now [TS]

01:04:36   but instead of it being trucked away to [TS]

01:04:39   some mysterious you know third location [TS]

01:04:42   in the in the counter of your kitchen [TS]

01:04:44   that would be the that would be the [TS]

01:04:46   grinders and the master caters and its [TS]

01:04:49   Lemke and then you would create the [TS]

01:04:51   slurry right there and then you're [TS]

01:04:54   you're in encounter recycling thing [TS]

01:04:57   would you know would make new glass [TS]

01:04:59   bottles [TS]

01:05:00   although of course you know what I don't [TS]

01:05:02   know why you would want that but let's [TS]

01:05:04   say you're near encounter then then if [TS]

01:05:06   when the truck pulled up out front [TS]

01:05:08   you could hand them you can have them a [TS]

01:05:10   compacted glass block of your green [TS]

01:05:14   glass in your white glass and but you [TS]

01:05:17   can make your own paper you could you [TS]

01:05:21   could extract all the precious metals so [TS]

01:05:22   that at the end of the month you had a [TS]

01:05:24   little vial of gold and all that they [TS]

01:05:26   would they would collect like the fat [TS]

01:05:27   off of the George Foreman grill exactly [TS]

01:05:29   you get you know there that little trace [TS]

01:05:31   amount of silver the little trace amount [TS]

01:05:33   of a little 10-cup you know that's [TS]

01:05:35   exactly right [TS]

01:05:35   ah so it is because you get me what I [TS]

01:05:38   just don't understand quite all the [TS]

01:05:39   details for super train which is [TS]

01:05:40   probably going to be better for me but [TS]

01:05:42   is there is there an extrusion involved [TS]

01:05:44   we love the idea of a super tight little [TS]

01:05:46   cube it's like a garbage compactor [TS]

01:05:47   accepted heineken bottles or what have [TS]

01:05:48   you but it could there be some basic [TS]

01:05:50   extrusion where you could slurry your [TS]

01:05:53   player plastics into like an as-needed [TS]

01:05:55   plastic with without off-gassing or [TS]

01:05:57   outgassing yeah i think i think i think [TS]

01:05:59   absolutely although what what you would [TS]

01:06:02   end up with what you end up with is a [TS]

01:06:04   little pile of carbon and some very [TS]

01:06:07   highly refined oil and you could sell [TS]

01:06:10   the oil in the open market and then we [TS]

01:06:13   would then you sequester the carbon and [TS]

01:06:16   everybody everybody would have you know [TS]

01:06:18   potentially have a little neighborhood [TS]

01:06:19   carbon sink where you would you know you [TS]

01:06:22   take your you take your carbon and and [TS]

01:06:24   and all throw down one hole and then [TS]

01:06:26   then make diamonds [TS]

01:06:28   [Music] [TS]

01:06:29   with you know when pressed and pressed [TS]

01:06:30   the carbon into until it was until [TS]

01:06:33   eternity and every step of the way [TS]

01:06:34   pressure of some sort is going to be [TS]

01:06:36   important in the supertrain it's really [TS]

01:06:38   going to be about different kinds of [TS]

01:06:39   pressure of physical emotional but in [TS]

01:06:43   the right place at the right time and [TS]

01:06:44   eventually having some kind of a fucking [TS]

01:06:45   diamond it ends up being a still it ends [TS]

01:06:48   up in every house has a little still who [TS]

01:06:50   and you throw everything into and you're [TS]

01:06:52   the revenuer this still cooks it down [TS]

01:06:55   and at the end you have some magnesium [TS]

01:06:57   and you have some you know some you have [TS]

01:07:01   a little bit of you know trace platinum [TS]

01:07:03   and palladium menu you collect those [TS]

01:07:06   things until you have enough of that of [TS]

01:07:08   that to sell on the open market then you [TS]

01:07:10   have oil and carbon and and you know [TS]

01:07:14   hopefully fresh rolls of toilet paper [TS]

01:07:15   but for reasons that will be obvious [TS]

01:07:17   soon and doubt i will ever literally [TS]

01:07:20   probably just delete my entire computer [TS]

01:07:22   having said this it isn't fair to say [TS]

01:07:24   that the slurry and extrusion process [TS]

01:07:26   and the production of oil inside of the [TS]

01:07:28   consumers home it's fair to say that [TS]

01:07:30   that's a little bit of a trap Street [TS]

01:07:32   like that's how it'll go at first and [TS]

01:07:33   you go holy shit [TS]

01:07:34   I've got some oil for the open market it [TS]

01:07:36   just seems to me that in time [TS]

01:07:38   that's something super trains gonna want [TS]

01:07:40   / need I see what you mean I are you are [TS]

01:07:43   you guys okay here's the thing you're a [TS]

01:07:45   man who is self-sustaining right we'll [TS]

01:07:48   e-mail when I wish I wish I were more [TS]

01:07:51   self-sustaining looks like you moving [TS]

01:07:52   closer rather than further i hope so I [TS]

01:07:54   hope so that's a hermetic per se my goal [TS]

01:07:56   would you like people to be [TS]

01:07:57   self-sustaining or would you like to [TS]

01:07:58   talk to literally become like pot people [TS]

01:08:00   that you can extrude resources from well [TS]

01:08:02   you see now you remember the the R crumb [TS]

01:08:05   a comic strip where he draws the [TS]

01:08:09   progression you have that on your wall [TS]

01:08:11   I read on the wall I have a version of [TS]

01:08:12   it that was done by Tony millionaire but [TS]

01:08:15   the original our crumb you know he [TS]

01:08:16   starts with the pastoral scene and then [TS]

01:08:18   they chop down the forest that built the [TS]

01:08:19   railroads and then it's a town and then [TS]

01:08:21   it's a and it's a city and then it's a [TS]

01:08:23   then in his estimation it was this grit [TS]

01:08:26   the last panel was this gross so [TS]

01:08:29   seventies reality was where he he [TS]

01:08:33   clearly his editorial voice was like [TS]

01:08:35   this is what it's come to [TS]

01:08:36   but but in the original panel he did he [TS]

01:08:39   did a couple of extra panels where he [TS]

01:08:42   was like we're here [TS]

01:08:43   worried he thought about the future and [TS]

01:08:45   and one of his one of his future escapes [TS]

01:08:48   was this classic seventies utopia where [TS]

01:08:52   people were living in treehouses like [TS]

01:08:54   the Swiss Family Robinson and they were [TS]

01:08:57   recycling and they were and and the [TS]

01:08:59   metas a version that's one version that [TS]

01:09:02   that I know leftists carry around in [TS]

01:09:04   their mind which is that we're all gonna [TS]

01:09:06   have solar panels on the on the roofs of [TS]

01:09:08   our houses and we're gonna be selling [TS]

01:09:10   electricity back to the grid [TS]

01:09:12   we're not only going to we are not only [TS]

01:09:14   going to be self-sufficient but we're [TS]

01:09:15   gonna be selling it back to the grid as [TS]

01:09:18   far as super trains interest in this it [TS]

01:09:20   really i think it depends on who after [TS]

01:09:22   I'm gone through the next CEO talks like [TS]

01:09:25   that [TS]

01:09:25   don't talk like that it happens in our [TS]

01:09:27   family we all pass to the great beyond [TS]

01:09:29   and super train i think well while you [TS]

01:09:32   know while i am the lime the font of [TS]

01:09:36   supertrain I think we can trust that [TS]

01:09:37   supertrain wants everyone to become more [TS]

01:09:39   self-sufficient but just as super train [TS]

01:09:43   arrived it reaches its kind of full [TS]

01:09:46   potential that's getting my destination [TS]

01:09:47   if you like that will be right well you [TS]

01:09:49   know there is super train has no one [TS]

01:09:53   destination but i'll be just about the [TS]

01:09:55   time that i am ready to I'm ready to to [TS]

01:09:58   moving on to a more pastoral life and [TS]

01:10:01   who takes over super train after me the [TS]

01:10:03   young people if they can I mean [TS]

01:10:06   supertrain could go either way and it [TS]

01:10:08   could be it could be the supertrain [TS]

01:10:10   meets needs all that oil is it depends [TS]

01:10:13   on what kind are green and we're looking [TS]

01:10:14   for if I may say look if you want to [TS]

01:10:17   kind of green and CFL light bulbs [TS]

01:10:18   supertrain could kick it could go on [TS]

01:10:20   this track right if we want the kind of [TS]

01:10:22   green that comes from literally stealing [TS]

01:10:24   refined oil from from the [TS]

01:10:25   african-american families home [TS]

01:10:28   that's a different kind of green that's [TS]

01:10:29   a different green conceivably that you [TS]

01:10:31   know there's and that's that's part of [TS]

01:10:33   that's that is the case of the liberal [TS]

01:10:35   imagination right there are the people [TS]

01:10:36   that want the green that is represented [TS]

01:10:38   by the prius with which is a kind of [TS]

01:10:41   green that required that your old car [TS]

01:10:43   was the old car was destroyed and this [TS]

01:10:46   new car was manufactured and shipped to [TS]

01:10:48   you from overseas in order that you save [TS]

01:10:52   some like a [TS]

01:10:55   almost done measurably small and a giant [TS]

01:10:57   Chinese boat run by cheap oil so that [TS]

01:11:00   you could get here and then gas in it [TS]

01:11:02   right you're perfectly to save the [TS]

01:11:04   environment you're perfectly fine [TS]

01:11:05   fifteen-year-old honda civic that you [TS]

01:11:07   could have repaired and driven for [TS]

01:11:09   another 25 years you have now you've had [TS]

01:11:12   crushed and recycled and you've bought a [TS]

01:11:14   brand-new thing that will be shipped [TS]

01:11:16   here in a coal-burning a supertanker did [TS]

01:11:21   you get stops and paper towels and that [TS]

01:11:23   as long as you're coming over there [TS]

01:11:24   where you know like the whole bilge of [TS]

01:11:27   the thing is full of black and pirates [TS]

01:11:29   cranking on on big sweat wheels and it's [TS]

01:11:35   like hello it's green this is green like [TS]

01:11:38   it happens all the time in my [TS]

01:11:39   neighborhood weather like this house [TS]

01:11:40   that's a hundred and twenty years old [TS]

01:11:42   that is built with completely perfect [TS]

01:11:45   old-growth fur we're gonna rip this down [TS]

01:11:47   and we're gonna we're gonna staple [TS]

01:11:49   together this this rupee you know this [TS]

01:11:51   thing made out of formaldehyde and like [TS]

01:11:55   off-gassing particle board and we're [TS]

01:11:58   gonna we're gonna post a sign out front [TS]

01:12:00   that says green construction and people [TS]

01:12:03   and we're gonna charge nine hundred [TS]

01:12:04   thousand dollars apiece for these for [TS]

01:12:06   these condos and that in it in people's [TS]

01:12:09   imagination is some kind of net [TS]

01:12:11   improvement because the new place has a [TS]

01:12:13   more efficient air conditioning system [TS]

01:12:16   and it's like the whatever kind of green [TS]

01:12:18   that is super train is gonna eat that is [TS]

01:12:22   going to eat that green is going to [TS]

01:12:23   graze super train is going to turn all [TS]

01:12:25   of those places back into their [TS]

01:12:27   component superfine oil carbon-carbon / [TS]

01:12:34   diamonds and then all the other base [TS]

01:12:38   metals all the base metals and there's [TS]

01:12:41   not gonna be any waste a little bit of [TS]

01:12:44   Soylent Green my pic my head I people [TS]

01:12:49   use every part of the population [TS]

01:12:51   haha you know here's the thing in the [TS]

01:12:56   Liberals that want to live in a tree [TS]

01:12:57   house god bless you i think we have all [TS]

01:12:59   of us all of us are these are [TS]

01:13:01   intelligent people like us at one time [TS]

01:13:03   or another have all been liberals [TS]

01:13:04   liberals and if all wanted to live in a [TS]

01:13:06   tree house [TS]

01:13:07   I just would like three men out [TS]

01:13:08   bookcases are you know absolutely i [TS]

01:13:11   invent a real secret passage of all [TS]

01:13:13   growth you know and and but but the [TS]

01:13:15   thing is this interesting to me [TS]

01:13:16   I'm not a historian but does strike me [TS]

01:13:18   that a lot of these visions are really [TS]

01:13:20   there about two blocks away from living [TS]

01:13:24   on a collective in the Soviet Union and [TS]

01:13:26   that is so not it's it's not a kibbutz [TS]

01:13:28   it's not gonna keep trying that's some [TS]

01:13:30   chuck norris talk right there [TS]

01:13:32   you think so well am i doing that I [TS]

01:13:35   don't know I'm just saying I mean the [TS]

01:13:36   thing is what starts out as let's make [TS]

01:13:38   potlucks together you know pretty soon [TS]

01:13:41   you're out there you're working on a [TS]

01:13:42   tractor with you like it all depends on [TS]

01:13:44   who's in charge and that's the that's [TS]

01:13:45   the problem simple right [TS]

01:13:46   people are so excited to seed the [TS]

01:13:49   responsibility for so many things to [TS]

01:13:52   somebody else you know it's somebody [TS]

01:13:54   else's problem somebody comes along with [TS]

01:13:56   the train that's not the supertrain it's [TS]

01:13:58   the one super train they go oh look i'm [TS]

01:14:00   an engineer and I'm green they're gonna [TS]

01:14:02   hook the fucking cars to that and just [TS]

01:14:04   an end and close their eyes and think of [TS]

01:14:06   England had beer and be led right down [TS]

01:14:08   that that that primrose path [TS]

01:14:11   whoo-hoo that you need to be able to [TS]

01:14:14   identify super train from imposter [TS]

01:14:16   trains have thoughts from the fall [TS]

01:14:19   supertrain well and when I think I think [TS]

01:14:21   we're developing were developing a [TS]

01:14:23   mechanism by which people will know the [TS]

01:14:26   real super train when you feel pain but [TS]

01:14:28   you're grateful for it thats hanging [TS]

01:14:29   super trains working here here you know [TS]

01:14:32   speaking of which i was thinking about [TS]

01:14:34   means of egress from your house [TS]

01:14:36   yeah have you considered a zip line from [TS]

01:14:39   here from your living room down to the [TS]

01:14:41   rules say I have not and be my daughter [TS]

01:14:43   my daughter loves ziplines i think i [TS]

01:14:46   think i could sell a zip line from that [TS]

01:14:50   from that from your top story down who [TS]

01:14:52   to I mean the zipline could go [TS]

01:14:55   conceivably all the way to the already [TS]

01:14:58   seeing it I'm already seeing it i mean i [TS]

01:15:00   don't feel too much right ever since we [TS]

01:15:02   moved to san mateo we definitely don't [TS]

01:15:04   live in san francisco where we keep [TS]

01:15:06   talking about but you know I'm in the [TS]

01:15:07   cisco you live in a house like ours you [TS]

01:15:09   say live on the second floor you really [TS]

01:15:11   have enough third floor right the first [TS]

01:15:12   your way up there get the pancaking [TS]

01:15:14   right because a during the earthquake it [TS]

01:15:16   goes straight down together or garage on [TS]

01:15:18   the bottom and [TS]

01:15:19   I've been heavily gotta watch that so [TS]

01:15:20   we're taking on the third floor lot of [TS]

01:15:21   walking [TS]

01:15:22   but here's the thing we also have the [TS]

01:15:23   park we got telephone poles we got some [TS]

01:15:25   you know red-tail Hawks in the park [TS]

01:15:27   they'd like to sit on the telephone pole [TS]

01:15:28   I'm just saying if I understand what [TS]

01:15:30   you're saying week maybe we could [TS]

01:15:31   disguise this as like like a comcast [TS]

01:15:34   thing but there could be an innocuous [TS]

01:15:35   looking cable not literally a rope even [TS]

01:15:39   a cable that would attach in such a way [TS]

01:15:41   that we could slide down on a zip line [TS]

01:15:43   from the from the top floor the problem [TS]

01:15:45   is that the city inspectors are going to [TS]

01:15:46   see that eventually they're going to say [TS]

01:15:48   what the hell is that what you need is a [TS]

01:15:51   harpoon gun huh [TS]

01:15:54   if you had a harpoon gun that was [TS]

01:15:56   attached to some cable like this a big [TS]

01:16:00   real of cable then if they see a harpoon [TS]

01:16:03   gun coming out of our window they're not [TS]

01:16:04   going to know what that is [TS]

01:16:05   no nobody they're gonna think you're a [TS]

01:16:07   collector they're gonna think it's some [TS]

01:16:08   weird some weird San Francisco person oh [TS]

01:16:10   he's got he's got he's got ladies shoes [TS]

01:16:14   and chairs coming out of the side of his [TS]

01:16:15   house when i wouldnĂ­t and a big harpoon [TS]

01:16:18   gun in the top the top floor and you're [TS]

01:16:21   like that's right i'm just a collector [TS]

01:16:22   of nautical memorabilia and testing [TS]

01:16:25   wailing that's right it's exactly put it [TS]

01:16:28   wait a minute back after compression I [TS]

01:16:30   think Mitch this as an active of [TS]

01:16:32   resistance [TS]

01:16:33   I may have a harpoon gun on close [TS]

01:16:35   inspection but it appears to be a flag a [TS]

01:16:38   Tibetan flag pole [TS]

01:16:39   mm if i put it to better flag on a [TS]

01:16:41   fucking harpoon outside my window [TS]

01:16:43   you know what I'm gonna get I'm going to [TS]

01:16:44   get the thanks of a nation under under [TS]

01:16:47   dictators thumb every time that flag [TS]

01:16:49   waves it sends a prayer to tell her [TS]

01:16:52   freedom and then when you need it [TS]

01:16:55   boom boom I I how is just my daughter on [TS]

01:16:59   the safety of our poon usage she knows [TS]

01:17:02   the hand signals and after i've read [TS]

01:17:03   this manual i'm going to know how to [TS]

01:17:05   like point of my eyes make a harpoon [TS]

01:17:07   face [TS]

01:17:07   hold up three fingers and she was able [TS]

01:17:09   to crouch in the living room [TS]

01:17:11   both of you who needed when camouflage [TS]

01:17:14   and you're like it's time to initiate [TS]

01:17:16   harpoon sequence one but you're saying [TS]

01:17:18   all this now with my hands it with my [TS]

01:17:20   hands in my eyes and my can draw a [TS]

01:17:22   little square on the carpet she fires [TS]

01:17:24   the harpoon gun and then you zipline [TS]

01:17:26   down the cable and who cares what [TS]

01:17:29   happens if my family to freedom you [TS]

01:17:31   no and and you know when you first start [TS]

01:17:34   started talking about wanting to go to [TS]

01:17:35   was a terrible way go in a broken car [TS]

01:17:37   with your daughter [TS]

01:17:38   I wasn't I wasn't totally on board [TS]

01:17:39   because I don't know well I wasn't [TS]

01:17:41   enough I wasn't done not on board but [TS]

01:17:43   now i understand it now Mike my kids a [TS]

01:17:45   tiger [TS]

01:17:46   I mean I I could really see I could see [TS]

01:17:48   fucking shit up with her [TS]

01:17:49   absolutely we might want to start some [TS]

01:17:50   kind of superiority in the four of us [TS]

01:17:52   i'm just saying it's like that scene at [TS]

01:17:54   the end of terminator where she's [TS]

01:17:58   getting gas at a she's getting gas it up [TS]

01:18:01   at a gas station somewhere in the been [TS]

01:18:03   like baja california and she sees the [TS]

01:18:06   storm clouds on the horizon and some [TS]

01:18:08   little kid takes up the a picture of her [TS]

01:18:10   looking wistfully that becomes the it is [TS]

01:18:13   the it's becomes the plot element for [TS]

01:18:16   the whole series of films her but you [TS]

01:18:18   know she's headed death she's escaping [TS]

01:18:20   she's headed south [TS]

01:18:22   oh and we we need to be prepared and the [TS]

01:18:24   thing is you need to be prepared to do [TS]

01:18:26   that in a motor vehicle that does not [TS]

01:18:27   have a complicated computer-driven [TS]

01:18:29   ignition system no no you're not gonna [TS]

01:18:32   have computer tools on the road don't [TS]

01:18:34   know you need a vintage Jeep over [TS]

01:18:36   vintage Jeep with a with a really rough [TS]

01:18:38   suspended with pay check out how to [TS]

01:18:39   field-strip that absolutely thing is you [TS]

01:18:42   and I are not going to be any use at all [TS]

01:18:44   in terms of fixing this Jeep now maybe [TS]

01:18:47   even we may be arthritic but will also [TS]

01:18:48   be functioning at a higher level from a [TS]

01:18:50   strategic standpoint of time to [TS]

01:18:51   field-strip cheap exactly we're going to [TS]

01:18:53   be we're going to be scanning the [TS]

01:18:54   horizon who with binoculars but we have [TS]

01:18:57   that we have the young ladies week we [TS]

01:18:59   raise them not only speaking a variety [TS]

01:19:02   of languages but also speaking the [TS]

01:19:03   mechanical language of G prepare for who [TS]

01:19:05   and we say you know keep this Jeep [TS]

01:19:08   running gals keep these machine guns [TS]

01:19:10   stripped and oil but we do this with [TS]

01:19:12   hand signals in our face [TS]

01:19:13   that's right now Cory McCarthy's the red [TS]

01:19:15   and has ever been made into a film [TS]

01:19:17   well I actually don't care because [TS]

01:19:18   there's a new version of that it's gonna [TS]

01:19:20   be based on the Bob Hope and mapping [TS]

01:19:21   cross movies the road to Tierra del [TS]

01:19:23   Fuego is a post-apocalyptic trip was [TS]

01:19:26   singing and it's the four of us maybe [TS]

01:19:28   Dorothy Lamour could be in it but I [TS]

01:19:30   think it's you me and our daughters in a [TS]

01:19:31   fucking Jeep making hand signals after [TS]

01:19:33   the apocalypse right but you know Amy [TS]

01:19:36   let's be honest there's it's not a [TS]

01:19:37   question of if right it's a question of [TS]

01:19:40   are you ready for when are you ready [TS]

01:19:42   you're going to be searching my fourth [TS]

01:19:43   safe room and I'm already going to be on [TS]

01:19:45   the South America now one can win [TS]

01:19:47   Canadian song writer and and songstress [TS]

01:19:50   Kathleen Edwards was here in Seattle one [TS]

01:19:53   of the first thing she said as we were [TS]

01:19:55   driving around she said you know it [TS]

01:19:57   seems it seems perfect here it's a it's [TS]

01:20:00   a it's almost paradise what is the [TS]

01:20:02   downside tell me the tell me the real [TS]

01:20:04   story what's the downside and I said [TS]

01:20:06   downside honestly volcanoes and [TS]

01:20:08   earthquakes like you live in toronto you [TS]

01:20:12   don't have any volcanoes and you don't [TS]

01:20:15   have any earthquakes but here in the [TS]

01:20:17   West the great you know the if if you'll [TS]

01:20:20   forgive me the 800-pound hippopotamus in [TS]

01:20:23   the room is that we're all living in the [TS]

01:20:25   shadow of a of a very very active and in [TS]

01:20:29   geological time like super young active [TS]

01:20:33   volcanic range and we're right on the [TS]

01:20:36   water where the earthquakes create [TS]

01:20:37   tsunamis it's basically it is basically [TS]

01:20:40   a volcano earthquake tsunami confess i [TS]

01:20:43   think i think you put the fear in that [TS]

01:20:45   gal and I know you put the fear me i [TS]

01:20:47   have not given a thought forgive me for [TS]

01:20:49   saying except for maybe making a plaster [TS]

01:20:52   of Paris volcano when I was in college I [TS]

01:20:55   I haven't thought about volcanoes since [TS]

01:20:57   mount st. Helens I wasn't paying a huge [TS]

01:20:59   amount of attention and then you [TS]

01:21:00   describe something to me that I found [TS]

01:21:02   chillin [TS]

01:21:03   I and my penis see step in my body [TS]

01:21:07   because you describe a volcano situation [TS]

01:21:10   that i found completely chillin and [TS]

01:21:11   implausible but the more you described [TS]

01:21:12   it the more I realized that we might be [TS]

01:21:14   getting there some kind of Cormac [TS]

01:21:15   McCarthy situations you mind sharing [TS]

01:21:17   with our listeners the the volcano in a [TS]

01:21:19   mountain scenario so you're talking [TS]

01:21:21   about you're talking about the you're [TS]

01:21:23   talking about I'm talking about oh you [TS]

01:21:25   didn't really know about the secret [TS]

01:21:26   volcano that isn't really supposed to be [TS]

01:21:28   there but with with the with the with [TS]

01:21:31   the zit light bulb olas coming out [TS]

01:21:34   because i'm fucking chillin all these [TS]

01:21:36   mountains here in the West that run from [TS]

01:21:38   Vancouver all the way down to Mount [TS]

01:21:42   Shasta and beyond [TS]

01:21:44   they're all they are all super duper [TS]

01:21:47   active volcanoes there's no I mean right [TS]

01:21:50   now they all appear to be fairly dormant [TS]

01:21:52   but they're sitting as the as the [TS]

01:21:56   Pacific plate [TS]

01:21:58   seduces beneath the the American [TS]

01:22:01   continental plates they go down there [TS]

01:22:03   and it turns into lava right under those [TS]

01:22:05   mountains and those mountains are just [TS]

01:22:06   they're just boiling underneath and they [TS]

01:22:11   seemed peaceful and birds are flying [TS]

01:22:12   around them and they have lots of [TS]

01:22:14   glaciers on them in their their national [TS]

01:22:16   parks people ski on them but really [TS]

01:22:20   without very much warning there will be [TS]

01:22:22   some warning but without very much [TS]

01:22:23   morning but that much extremely useful [TS]

01:22:26   warning because you're not going to get [TS]

01:22:28   a by the way you know 30 days from now [TS]

01:22:30   some shit might go down [TS]

01:22:32   what will you know one never knows they [TS]

01:22:33   could be there could be lots of what I [TS]

01:22:35   mean we're all overdue for the super [TS]

01:22:38   earthquake and the super earthquake is [TS]

01:22:41   not it is you know tied to all this [TS]

01:22:45   volcanism and it is conceivable that the [TS]

01:22:49   super earthquake will ignite a new round [TS]

01:22:52   of volcanic activity in some of these [TS]

01:22:57   massive mountains that are hovering just [TS]

01:22:59   over the you know just outside of the [TS]

01:23:02   city limits [TS]

01:23:03   certainly here in Seattle Mount Rainier [TS]

01:23:04   the largest mountain north america could [TS]

01:23:08   could erupt and at which point those [TS]

01:23:11   ten-thousand-year-old glaciers on its [TS]

01:23:14   surface will will instantly liquefy into [TS]

01:23:18   a superheated a hundred 200 foot tall [TS]

01:23:23   like lahar of boiling mud and ash and [TS]

01:23:30   can you describe something was a cross [TS]

01:23:32   between is it and uh a portal from a [TS]

01:23:35   scarred combined with the conflagration [TS]

01:23:37   where there could be some kind of a [TS]

01:23:39   herniated mountain that the UH that a [TS]

01:23:42   volcano kind of finds its way out of and [TS]

01:23:44   then explodes like a like a nail bomb [TS]

01:23:47   what you're describing something where [TS]

01:23:49   like it gets its own imaginatively slice [TS]

01:23:51   the top of a mountain goat oh there's [TS]

01:23:54   volcano in here we weren't ready for [TS]

01:23:55   this [TS]

01:23:56   well yeah you're doing a good job of [TS]

01:23:57   describing it there's a volcano in every [TS]

01:23:59   single one of those my god jesus jones [TS]

01:24:00   every single one [TS]

01:24:02   what's it gonna cost for us to get a [TS]

01:24:04   jeep should we get a couple of three [TS]

01:24:05   chips and just kind of have them ready [TS]

01:24:07   what we should be what we should be [TS]

01:24:08   ready for is to commandeer a Jeep [TS]

01:24:12   oh that's good yeah and this is you know [TS]

01:24:15   this is the thing where I wear this is [TS]

01:24:17   what Ted Bundy or Proteus would do you [TS]

01:24:19   don't have the same vehicle you change [TS]

01:24:20   your shirt you put shoe polish in your [TS]

01:24:21   hair and there's still three jeeps [TS]

01:24:23   behind right that's right that's exactly [TS]

01:24:24   so so in that sense i mean knowing you [TS]

01:24:28   at and and knowing me I think my skill [TS]

01:24:31   set it was going to handle the [TS]

01:24:33   commandeering of jeeps over and and you [TS]

01:24:37   know I i I'm going to train my daughter [TS]

01:24:40   to to have that same skill set so that [TS]

01:24:43   the two of us can work in concert to be [TS]

01:24:45   to be trading up trading jeeps we don't [TS]

01:24:49   work in light-weight teams in pairs [TS]

01:24:51   where we've learned the right hand [TS]

01:24:52   signals and camouflage make-up to be [TS]

01:24:54   able to you know if you like using our [TS]

01:24:56   scopes we'd be able to communicate at a [TS]

01:24:58   distance you could even have a [TS]

01:24:59   staggering of cheats i think that's [TS]

01:25:01   what's called a murder of crows we can [TS]

01:25:02   have a staggering of jeep and decoy [TS]

01:25:04   jeeps along the way so that we might [TS]

01:25:06   have one you might jump in a hoopty that [TS]

01:25:08   takes you somewhere we split up [TS]

01:25:09   maybe for the sake of argument there or [TS]

01:25:12   five or six other groups of people who [TS]

01:25:14   look exactly like us no like the gang's [TS]

01:25:16   reason the gangs where the white [TS]

01:25:17   t-shirts and hoodies II know I think [TS]

01:25:19   we'll be in a situation somewhere in [TS]

01:25:21   Central America where we station you [TS]

01:25:23   sitting looking at a map which may or [TS]

01:25:27   may not have trap streets trap streets [TS]

01:25:30   and you'll be sitting on a sitting on [TS]

01:25:33   you know four or five crates of paper [TS]

01:25:36   towels and toilet paper already smoking [TS]

01:25:38   you could potentially you could be [TS]

01:25:40   smoking a Cuban cigar let's say and a [TS]

01:25:44   down the road comes a military convoy [TS]

01:25:46   and they see you there in here and you [TS]

01:25:48   get up kinda hopefully like waving your [TS]

01:25:50   hands hello hello help I you know I have [TS]

01:25:53   all this toilet paper and paper towels [TS]

01:25:54   but no vehicle and the and they're going [TS]

01:25:57   to be like load into a look [TS]

01:26:00   Holden not into a false sense of [TS]

01:26:02   security but they're going to be so [TS]

01:26:03   mesmerized by all this toilet paper that [TS]

01:26:05   they don't have access to a paper towel [TS]

01:26:07   certainly not in two days in the jungle [TS]

01:26:09   that is going to look like it like a [TS]

01:26:12   crate of diamonds to these guns they're [TS]

01:26:15   gonna be like we streets hit-the hit-the [TS]

01:26:18   hit-the money here we have the [TS]

01:26:19   cigarettes for rimming [TS]

01:26:20   exactly it's like look at all that [TS]

01:26:22   fucking toilet paper who and then while [TS]

01:26:24   you are while you're holding up your map [TS]

01:26:26   pointing at the trap Street going where [TS]

01:26:28   is this place then I and my daughter [TS]

01:26:30   haha 67 zip zip line we come in on a [TS]

01:26:35   zipline throwing knives throwing [TS]

01:26:37   throwing stars a chicken who and and [TS]

01:26:41   then we have a then we have a new convoy [TS]

01:26:43   of new convoy full of whatever it is [TS]

01:26:45   that bad boy I think I think decoys I [TS]

01:26:47   think decoys are powerful you know [TS]

01:26:48   Howard Howard Hughes did a lot of this [TS]

01:26:50   with decoys it in a lawsuit his own [TS]

01:26:53   airline suit him TWA suit him and they [TS]

01:26:56   couldn't serve the subpoena they could [TS]

01:26:57   not get to him no matter what because he [TS]

01:27:01   hired he's hired other guys with really [TS]

01:27:02   long haul [TS]

01:27:05   there were lots of instances where he [TS]

01:27:06   did have like those decoy the decoy cars [TS]

01:27:10   and stuff like that i think that works [TS]

01:27:11   better than most people think also I [TS]

01:27:13   must say if you have sealed yourself up [TS]

01:27:14   in a room with Kleenex boxes and bottles [TS]

01:27:17   for your own urine and you just simply [TS]

01:27:19   refuse to open the door when your lawyer [TS]

01:27:21   has been five years has never met you I [TS]

01:27:23   think and Reggie you're moving in the [TS]

01:27:25   right direction [TS]

01:27:26   yeah you know what I mean even though [TS]

01:27:28   let's be honest he is living underneath [TS]

01:27:29   the paper cup with like 50 fucking [TS]

01:27:31   drawings of locks exactly the same size [TS]

01:27:32   on them like people in in my town now [TS]

01:27:36   here in Seattle they do not know that [TS]

01:27:39   they realize that I have a lot of [TS]

01:27:41   different cars they're not sure what car [TS]

01:27:44   might be driving in any game my Nana [TS]

01:27:45   scooter and I and scooter mba and [TS]

01:27:48   they're also aware that i changed the my [TS]

01:27:50   hair and and facial hair configurations [TS]

01:27:53   you know fairly regularly and i think [TS]

01:27:56   what i'm trying to craft here in NC at [TS]

01:27:59   least is the sense that any car could be [TS]

01:28:02   being driven by me and then and so it [TS]

01:28:08   might it might have it might have an [TS]

01:28:10   Irish seen superstar in it it even if [TS]

01:28:15   you really are discussed Ellis story [TS]

01:28:17   someday but you could you're driving all [TS]

01:28:18   kinds of things or you're not driving [TS]

01:28:20   lots of things we don't know that could [TS]

01:28:21   be John Robert for all we know that's [TS]

01:28:22   right it could you see you pass a mini [TS]

01:28:24   van full of nuns could be John Roderick [TS]

01:28:26   driving and so you [TS]

01:28:28   to you have to be that when a satellite [TS]

01:28:31   gets in their car and start driving [TS]

01:28:32   around the streets they have to be [TS]

01:28:34   vigilant have to be aware that i could [TS]

01:28:38   be in any vehicle at any time and they [TS]

01:28:39   could be in my way I could be headed to [TS]

01:28:42   a location somewhere where i have not [TS]

01:28:44   really read the map and i'm on my way to [TS]

01:28:48   you know to an important meeting that [TS]

01:28:50   i'm already 15 minutes late but I'd but [TS]

01:28:52   i purposely didn't actually figure out [TS]

01:28:54   what the address was not your fault and [TS]

01:28:57   I and they need to keep moving and get [TS]

01:28:59   out of my way and so I i think i think [TS]

01:29:01   there's just there there's a there's a [TS]

01:29:03   considerable portion of the population [TS]

01:29:06   in Seattle that is beginning that is [TS]

01:29:07   beginning to dawn on their there they're [TS]

01:29:09   figuring this out is extremely thin end [TS]

01:29:12   of a very fucking wide wedge right so [TS]

01:29:16   right what you've done now is you have [TS]

01:29:17   introduced you know what you're doing [TS]

01:29:19   your mate you've got him thinking right [TS]

01:29:20   people people don't like to think John [TS]

01:29:22   as you don't just get in their cars turn [TS]

01:29:23   on the radio and drive absent-mindedly [TS]

01:29:25   to work anymore that's writing is John [TS]

01:29:27   water can occur together they're going [TS]

01:29:28   to put on glass houses start joking [TS]

01:29:30   around they're gonna be thinking twice [TS]

01:29:31   about whether John would even want me to [TS]

01:29:33   be listening to glass houses and you [TS]

01:29:34   know whatever you know the answer and [TS]

01:29:36   some of them are starting when they [TS]

01:29:37   leave the house they bring their [TS]

01:29:39   infrared glasses who they bring a week's [TS]

01:29:42   supply of of food they always have a [TS]

01:29:45   they always have a bag packed a negress [TS]

01:29:47   bag maybe a jar of slurry they're [TS]

01:29:50   getting there getting into those cars [TS]

01:29:51   prepared for any eventuality and that is [TS]

01:29:54   ultimately super trans goal short-term [TS]

01:29:58   goals short-term goal long-term goal [TS]

01:30:00   short-term goal right yeah i mean [TS]

01:30:02   certainly have hopes for the legacy but [TS]

01:30:03   you're saying like anyone even like the [TS]

01:30:05   late great Howard Hughes you're not [TS]

01:30:07   going to you're not going to be there [TS]

01:30:08   forever [TS]

01:30:09   you're not going to be you're not gonna [TS]

01:30:10   be in the desert in with literally [TS]

01:30:12   audibly clacking toenails for people [TS]

01:30:15   come up to me they come up to me at that [TS]

01:30:16   shows they come up to me a public events [TS]

01:30:18   and they say very confidentially you [TS]

01:30:20   know they lead in and say how do i make [TS]

01:30:22   sure that i'm on supertrain how do I [TS]

01:30:24   mean how do i guarantee myself a berth [TS]

01:30:26   on super train and my answer is usually [TS]

01:30:29   you are already doing a good job [TS]

01:30:33   is it this is the the cognate sensor or [TS]

01:30:37   the being deferential being respectful [TS]

01:30:38   what what is it that the has them a [TS]

01:30:40   theoretical seat on a theoretical [TS]

01:30:42   non-existent evil train all these things [TS]

01:30:44   all these things and more if someone if [TS]

01:30:46   someone Swagger's up to me and says haha [TS]

01:30:49   ready for super train me my suspicion is [TS]

01:30:53   or attempted to punch him in the nose a [TS]

01:30:55   little like I give him a given that look [TS]

01:30:56   which is a you're not ready for super [TS]

01:30:58   thinking you are ready for super train [TS]

01:31:01   is in is to be not ready for super cool [TS]

01:31:04   oh you're saying like that that actually [TS]

01:31:06   more than acceptance really seeking out [TS]

01:31:08   a certain kind of imbalance and and [TS]

01:31:10   distrust of oneself using that's the [TS]

01:31:13   beginning of understanding what your [TS]

01:31:14   place in super train will be yeah you [TS]

01:31:16   don't you don't walk out of the house [TS]

01:31:17   saying i have everything i need you walk [TS]

01:31:19   out of the house saying what do I not [TS]

01:31:20   have the holy Christ I have everything [TS]

01:31:22   I'll that's right i hope to Christ I [TS]

01:31:24   have everything I need that's the best [TS]

01:31:25   you can do that is the best you can do [TS]

01:31:28   that is going to be the worst propaganda [TS]

01:31:31   puts that I've ever see it's going to be [TS]

01:31:33   you are soliciting proudly on the prow [TS]

01:31:36   of a giant menacing train and a child's [TS]

01:31:39   thing I hope to Christ I have everything [TS]

01:31:40   on the hope to Christ I brought [TS]

01:31:43   everything I need is this enough toilet [TS]

01:31:44   paper [TS]

01:31:45   hmm slurry happy I don't forget a [TS]

01:31:53   stopping point there was pretty fucking [TS]

01:31:54   funny government coming up my game [TS]

01:31:56   special ops you know we can't always [TS]

01:31:58   give them we can't always give them a [TS]

01:31:59   bell [TS]

01:32:00   sometimes sometimes you just have to [TS]

01:32:02   stop [TS]

01:32:05   fuck that [TS]

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