Roderick on the Line

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00:00:04 ◼   ► hello hi John [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► I'm Merlin hey doing good I thought I'd [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► start the show off with the throat [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► clearing hm-hm it's a little warm up [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► just a warm-up just a taste of what's to [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► come [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► lots of throat-clearing it's this is the [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► season [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► well clearing and coughing are part of [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► my mic extra communication level John as [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► you know i'm not an allergist but I [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► never had an allergy in my life until i [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► moved to this God forsaken state i used [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► to get sick [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► knock on wood I used to get sick about [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► three and a half times more often in [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► Florida it was until i moved to [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► California that I started waking up in [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► the middle of the night [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► sneezing sneezing and sneezing and I'm [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► led to believe that where you live in [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► the washington state area [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► yeah it's very was not vernal what I [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► call it Virdon Virdon Virdon if you [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► could be colic it's both personality [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► it's easy it's sneezy it's grumpy it's [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► dopey now but the thing about it is that [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► the bay area is that you have cat dander [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► storms in there it's a lot of it's not [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► visible to the naked eye but they can't [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► all the people that own cats up in the [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► sort of wine country and sausalito that [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► cat dander just sweeps down over the bay [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► you gotta take that I think it's called [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► closing when you going with your real [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► estate agent you have to show actually [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► prefer that you bring a cat with you if [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► you're moving into the wine country you [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► need to show it going to show the tears [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► it's like that movie green card [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► yeah you show up with a cat on your [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► shoulder with a little leash and they [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► know that you're serious about living in [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► in wine country little vest lot of [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► animals have little vests here up you [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► know they're closer to where you live [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► they wear little leather vests at our if [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► only it were a joke now you had a cat [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► allergy as a child according to my [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► research and do you did you shake that [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► or do you still are you still exposed to [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► dander and it causes problems [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► well the problem is that i love cats [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► and it really precious angels then the [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► car everyone is looking at angel would [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► you look at that look at that look at [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► him that thing is every cat is a shit [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► yeah you know what I mean like there's [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► nothing I've known some I've known them [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► all [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► I'm not every kind of cat and they're [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► all shits yeah if they were six feet [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► tall [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► we would be fucked oh absolutely like [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► you get a dog dogs [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► well we shouldn't get into the animal [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► thing too much because we certainly have [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► respect as animus we have this respect [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► for all creatures and that's right [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► that's right but I mean I honestly [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► believe that most dogs like if you fell [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► down and we're crippled and couldn't get [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► to a phone [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► they would do everything in their power [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► to try and help you they would bring you [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► a beverage they would they would try [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► with their little sweet pause trying [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► call and I really think cats are [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► literally just waiting to nibble on your [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► toes [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► well yeah if you fell down and couldn't [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► get up account with your face they do it [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► all the time it happens constantly the [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► more catchy get that dander accumulates [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► yeah i think they have cat meetings and [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► they're just waiting they're waiting for [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► an opportunity is one scoop you know [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► this business about the cat I got about [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► cat poop [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► yeah yeah I do i do I it i hope that I'm [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► not gonna I hope that's not it turns out [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► because it really comports with my own [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► experience who but in any case I decided [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► I could not have cats so anymore what I [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► had a a catch right up here on my porch [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► and I felt madly in love with him he was [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► a wonderful guy and he was killed by a [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► car and it was devastating to me and [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► then I got us that I got another cat [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► trying to fill the void in my heart and [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► madcap was a terrible person [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► yeah that cat had had just had it had a [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► lot of issues but it as you know I'm not [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► one to forgive a person or cat being an [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► asshole just because they have issues [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► when you have a lot of tolerance for for [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► people of all kinds including animals [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► but I think you also your it seems like [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► if you've got a reason you're gonna [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► you're gonna look out of the corner of [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► your eye when that comes around [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► well it's a bit disabilities this whole [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► business of like oh the cat is issues [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► i'm like right well we all have issues [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► you solve your fucking issues cat I gave [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► that got a lot of opportunities to solve [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► her issues [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► I don't want to be gender-specific I [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► don't want to be gender normative who [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► but but this cat had some issues I don't [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► think that they aren't necessarily [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► gender related issues so much so hard to [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► tell because they're I mean it really is [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► it's like somebody with a variety of [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► physical problems and you kind of don't [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► know where to begin is up with cats see [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► the thing is cats are people who like [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► cats say things like you know they are [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► independent were they are aloof war and [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► I think with much respect to the the [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► animal companions out there I i think [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► they come up with a lot of fucking [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► bullshit excuses for having for having a [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► really dreadful and potentially evil [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► animal in the house [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► yeah now independent and aloof who are [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► great qualities especially a girlfriend [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► or a manservant like if if you're like [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► oh yeah my manservant is a little [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► independent and aloof that's wonderful i [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► think i don't i don't want a man so good [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► i just a grocery store cashier keep [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► grocery store cashier independent and [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► aloof these are good qualities but in a [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► thing that you are feeding and and [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► cleaning up this shit that you want you [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► want a little bit of love from that [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► thing I mean this is the thing I'm going [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► through with the with my daughter where [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► it's like listen I'm cleaning up your [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► shit still I want a little bit of love [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► sometimes you just gotta sit on Daddy's [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► lap sometimes just sit here and give [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► daddy a hug [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► whether you like it or not at least i [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► got like fish you don't get anything [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► from a goldfish but at least you know [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► it's gonna die pretty soon you don't [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► expect anything from a goldfish and [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► frankly you know their machines to clean [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► up their shit if there was some kind of [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► filter but I could put in my house that [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► cleaned up the cat shit and and clean to [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► the air like scrub the air of cat dander [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► I might have a better relationship with [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► them anyway I gave this cat away to a [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► friend and this friend has no problem at [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► all [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► he's a younger person has no problem at [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► all with the cat bites your face [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► he thinks it's hilarious I'm like great [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► well you guys are a match made in heaven [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► again I think they come up the [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► cat-people god bless them [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► I think they come up with every excuse [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► in the world for for--why that animal is [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► the way it is [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► they have they have what [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► is essentially a the kind of animal that [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► really should be outside hunting things [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► and being hunted in many cases and let [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► me just don't stipulate these are moving [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► onto the sweet precious angels there's [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► no question about it but for example I [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► mean many of the cats have no more dicks [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► and my my mom had a very dear friend and [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► I always dreaded going to her house for [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► fruit for two reasons letters we're [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► going to get some letters you know [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► you're going to your moms I'm not gonna [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► open because I dander tender and you can [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► just you just run the letter under your [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► nose and your like ammonia oh my god the [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► ammonia I got a couple things here first [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► of all this lady she had let's say it [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► and I don't want to be ping-pong she had [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► a siamese cat [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► oh there's no sign of these cats not a [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► dick pic all girls but so there's two [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► reasons and this is the thing this isn't [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► I don't want to get into the pit bull [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► thing that upsets people but you know [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► what is your letters from wilwheaton [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► what we got pitbull always got one of [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► those pit bull dogs some kind of dog [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► that some kind of dog that is like it [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► fifty percent of the people in the world [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► look at the dog and say oh this is a dog [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► that was bred to grab humans by the neck [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► and shake them until they're dead who [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► and then fifty percent of the people in [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► the world are like this is an animal [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► that was bred to love this is a [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► companion and a loving like a loving [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► sweet child care animal this is an [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► animal i would trust my newborn baby [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► with and these fifty percent but the one [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► half of the people and the other half [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► the people are never going to see I 250 [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► / centers and wil wheaton is in the at [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► if you if you believe his Twitter feed [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► if you follow his twitter feet he you [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► know he is a he is a pit bull owner and [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► someone who is indeed this is a this is [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► a love bug [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► this animal is this is murderous combat [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► animal literal killing machine it is a [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► love bug and as and a woman's and a [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► newbie dupe of digits [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► switches and he's a gooz and he's you [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► know he will write some will write some [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► blog posts as you know which is the new [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► over which is the new friendship and [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► what it is the day right sit here [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► writing blog posts that say if you don't [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► think my Williams is a noble bottom so [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► then you are a you are an animal and a [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► and hateful life is hard for former [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► child actors but you know I'm just [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► thinking if there were somebody who is [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► going to be a drug lord you wouldn't [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► suspect while we Minds my senses most of [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► the people who own pit bulls don't don't [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► fully realize what they're there for [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► or maybe maybe they like that again me [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► I'm just saying maybe he has a lot of [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► squeak in his palatial i'm guessing [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► Beverly Hills house I told you the story [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► you know when we moved in when we put my [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► mom bought her house we moved in there [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► the guy next door was kind of a [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► legendary drug dealer in the [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► neighborhood and that's a you know they [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► had a big house every day of school name [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► what was his name you know what to say [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► but I mean it did you have like a carlos [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► the jackal kind of name always being was [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► like Terrence Terrence but uh but their [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► latest Terrance this is one of these [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► neighborhoods where the houses are a [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► hundred years old they're big old houses [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► the neighborhood fell into decline in [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► the forties and fifties and then there [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► was some redlining happening where you [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► know you couldn't get loans in that [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► neighborhood because there were too many [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► blacks and then the neighborhood felt [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► more into decline and then people [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► started calling it a ghetto and then you [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► really couldn't get a home improvement [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► loan and you know it's the classic [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► American story of how we how we make [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► ghettos and then of course the gays move [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► in the first the punk rockers move in [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► the hardest move in and they they take [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► over these houses and tournament to like [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► party houses and then the gays move in [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► and then they fit they fix up the houses [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► enough that the white liberals decide it [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► safe like the hip ones that gays are [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► kind of the real estate version of a [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► canary in a coma there with you know [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► what they are they're like they're like [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► the they're like the guy up bomb and [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► star trek to four star trek 3 was a was [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► head was the star trek or spot died and [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► they sent down the it was what was that [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► bomb climate [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► really really embarrassed to say this [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► was the genesis bomb the Genesis bummed [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► it doesn't Spock anyone the spoilers but [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► doesn't spot dyeing wrath of khan second [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► one that's not what the whale and market [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► I think spot datsun in the Genesis bomb [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► one which i think is 34 good but then he [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► comes back anyway I a spoiler alert [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► Spock Spock isn't actually into your [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► knowledge will Wheaton was not in that [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► as far as I know can he may have been he [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► may have had a he had a folding chair [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► that said we'll many sat on the set [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► waiting for them to call but the Genesis [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► bomb but Genesis bomb is it you know [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► it's a it's actually a component of the [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► whole supertrain project there will be [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► as Genesis bomb [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► oh I hate to reveal myself i'm familiar [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► with Kobayashi Maru i'm familiar with [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► tribbles and like i said i dunno about [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► the whales in moderate you could you [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► just for an outsider could you give me a [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► quick sense of what the Genesis bomb [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► does have the Genesis bomb as far as I [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► understood it was a it was a colonizing [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► bomb where the you know the star treks [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► would fly out and they'd find like dead [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► planets and they would drop the Genesis [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► bomb on it and it would create an [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► atmosphere and then within the [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► atmosphere things would start to grow it [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► would happen very fast because of magic [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► that is a really violent idea [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► yeah so instead of going to Mars and [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► sitting there like drinking your own p [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► for a thousand years until you can drum [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► up you know enough until until the [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► mining pays for the construction of like [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► a habitat you just fly over Mars you [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► drop a Genesis bomb and then a virgin [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► see happens it sweeps across you know [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► it's like it's like if you drop it drop [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► of food coloring and you been a water [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► glass okay Shh [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► and so the planet all of a sudden is [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► like this incredible jungle hey Skippy [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► skip right over living in a bubble and [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► dealing with hydroponics small robots [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► and go straight into condos go straight [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► into like holy cats this place is like [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► it's like Hawaii the whole planet turns [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► to Hawaii basically to him anyway so [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► Genesis bomb was I talking about well [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► you're talking about the gays being the [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► punk as the train I want some answers [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► kazar Genesis bombs for ghettos and a [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► pretty good you drop a couple you drop [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► like a like a young crafty handicraft e [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► a couple of days into into a [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► neighborhood and they fix up their house [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► and then all of a sudden it's like the [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► house next door gets fixed up and then [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► the house down the block gets fixed up [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► and then people like me move it and [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► they're like wow this neighborhood seems [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► really inexpensive for how cool these [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► houses are and then we're fixing up our [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► houses and pretty soon you know eight [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► years later all the little black ladies [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► that had lived there for 50 years can't [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► pay their property taxes anymore because [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► the neighborhood has become like [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► expensive who and then they are driven [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► out by taxes to live further out live [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► out in the suburbs which in the fifties [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► were where people move to escape the [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► inner city it's a constant H it's a [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► constant churning of the American [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► turning but so anyway my next-door [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► neighbor was a drug dealer and everybody [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► in the neighborhood when we when we [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► moved in we were the first white people [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► that to move on to our block and [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► everybody in the neighborhood was like [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► oh yeah you're living next to Terrence [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► he's a he's a he's a bad actor and he [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► walked he walked with a cane because he [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► shot at Cobbs and so he walked with a [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► cane but he was not much older than I [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► was and he lived in this house because [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► the heat his wife had inherited the [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► house from her father who still lived in [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► an attic room or something like that but [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► anyway he kept his stash and and we [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► became good friends but he kept his [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► stash in an upstairs bedroom that had a [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► little like covered porch out the window [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► where he kept a female pit bull chained [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► on a 6-foot chain and she lived on the [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► roof [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► oh and the roof was covered with shit [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► because she never went off and she not [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► wasn't on the 6-foot chain [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► and as you can imagine this full-grown [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► female pitbull was furious she was so [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► mad and lets it or up a lot of angry [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► living on a poop field roof [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► you good on a six foot chase but is not [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► a lot of foot and I don't know what I [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► don't know whether he'll be periodically [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► opened the window and threw a couple of [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► cheeseburgers out there but but he kept [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► his drugs in that room so this was his [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► strategy to keep people from jumping up [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► on the roof and then breaking into the [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► house [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► who was he just kept this dog chained up [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► on the roof well of course the roof [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► where she lived was I level and 15 feet [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► away from my kitchen window so every [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► time I would come come to the sink to [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► wash a cup like I'm eyeball-to-eyeball [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► with this this the the world's angriest [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► dog you know and she's just like her [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► role right you're probably the closest [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► thing she has to a friend touch [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► it's just didn't snap didn't say just [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► spill everywhere and yeah maybe she's [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► trying to you know to maybe say no she [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► don't like 18 she definitely wants to [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► kill you but that was probably closest [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► thing that dog had to a relationship and [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► I would tried speaks soothingly to her [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► but you know the humane society on the [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► list of city agencies i was going to [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► call about Terrence the Humane Society [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► was like six down the list after the DEA [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► and the and everything but anyway we [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► reached a a bar when we had a reproach [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► but the two of us was like hey man how's [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► it going you know i am looking the other [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► way about you while you basically run a [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► crack house here as long as we assume we [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► assume a bond of friendship over [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► a in our little corner of the [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► neighborhood this is how this is how [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► urban and and in some cases suburban [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► America should work we don't we don't [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► have to like each other we don't have to [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► get along with every little thing we [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► have to overlook these little things and [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► how about the laundry keep up the lawn [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► he did not keep up the lawn and also he [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► had five kids living there with him [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► cheese so the kids were great and I [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► actually you know like to start with his [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► progeny r with a regular okay and I got [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► you know I kind of the kids and i had a [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► good had a good relationship and and the [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► fact about him was that at my trained [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► eye never detected that he used drugs of [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► any kind [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► he didn't even seem stoned on pot I [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► think he was probably a pretty good [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► businessman who he did not dip into his [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► so and so he kept the level of crack [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► zombies in the neighborhood down to a [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► dull roar like he didn't tolerate it he [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► did not run a crack house in the sense [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► of like zombies and it was like a crack [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► warehouse [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► it was a crack where it was a crack [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► distribution center see I learned this I [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► learned this from the wire and because [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► they're almost everything i know about [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► urban America I learned from watching a [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► television show but the idea there is [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► you you try and keep things [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► compartmentalized at both material level [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► and a personal level you want to provide [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► it as much this is why this is [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► interesting to me that a drug lord will [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► keep that in the place where he resided [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► that seems that seems you know like this [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► you know Seattle's kind of this and of [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► course at this time this neighborhood [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► was let us say poorly monitored by the [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► local police think what they call [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► something to get out your you're saying [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► a lot to the people who live there [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► you're basically saying it's a it's a [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► it's a blank check for problems [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► yeah yeah whatever that ghetto I mean [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► what with the neighborhood it was a [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► neighborhood [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► I like a lot I mean there's the ghettos [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► where all the original housing have been [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► torn down and replaced with housing [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► projects where none of the people feel [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► any connection to the neighborhood or [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► two where they live in Seattle though [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► the word ghetto doesn't really apply [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► because these were single-family homes [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► where people had lived at raise their [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► children and where you know had lived [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► for a whole generation or sometimes two [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► or three generations so there was a [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► tremendous [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► amount of house pride in the [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► neighborhood the problem was that they [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► were poor so and and they couldn't get [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► loans or they could you know that it was [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► a it was the classic old houses they're [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► gonna need some help [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► yeah we need we need that we needed a [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► new roof we need new sightings we just [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► got scoop on it and and they would go to [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► their local you know and they would say [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► look I own my home and I just need a [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► home improvement loan and maybe like me [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► not in that neighborhood sorry who [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► and so the rules would get shitty and [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► the gutters would fall and and so as you [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► drove through the neighborhood [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► you would think this is rough and there [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► are lots of teenage boys standing on the [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► street smoking cigarettes but in fact [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► you get to know the people and it's like [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► this is not this is not again no this is [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► a poor neighborhood and it's a poor [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► neighborhood where the poorness is [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► exacerbated by institutionalized racism [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► you know for sure there's no other way [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► to put it but so this neighborhood was [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► self-policing you know the little old [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► ladies didn't let Terrence get out of [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► hand because they all knew his mother [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► you know they all knew him when he was a [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► little kid so he'd keep growing up in [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► that house everybody did this was the [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► neighborhood Jimi Hendrix grew up in [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► well like Jimi Hendrix's childhood home [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► was two-and-a-half blocks away and [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► everybody in the neighborhood that was [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► 50 years old all the 50-year old guys [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► neighbor all-new Jimmy and played with [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► him played first of all played you know [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► the kickball with him and then they all [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► had they'll play music with them you [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► know you walk through that neighborhood [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► with any guy that age maybe like I over [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► this house that's where we used to jam [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► after school and over here is where [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► Jimmy you know like status first beer [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► and you know everybody had stories but [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► but so at entrance knew who are you how [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► he fit into the neighborhood and [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► everybody was afraid of him but he also [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► knew that like you did there were [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► certain lady didn't cross and and I'm [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► stepping into it i'm stepping into this [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► neighborhood as a guy who's lived in [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► seattle for many years and who has [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► family in seattle going back to eighteen [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► eighty but I also i crossed madison [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► street and went three blocks into the [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► central district and all of a sudden [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► as far as they're concerned I'm like [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► well I'm the new guy you know I'm the [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► white kid and what am i doing there and [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► you know and i would try and explain my [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► bona fides to everybody like oh no you [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► couldn't have been you know my people [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► have been in seattle since 1816 they're [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► like we don't care I'll take it you had [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► a tricorn hat you know what are you [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► doing here what you like standing for [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► their house in France well do you mean [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► I'm down [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► can we know I had what looked down the [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► street and you are nothing if not down [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► I'd be I'd be trying to fist bump [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► everybody feeling fat albert dancing a [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► little choppy walk [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► I mean welcome to the neighborhood and [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► everything but not so much with the fist [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► pumping maybe you could just use keep [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► that down to a dull roar but I it's been [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► amazing to watch that neighborhood [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► changing you know now my mom is one of [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► the little old ladies that slip slip [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► therefore she lived in that house now [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► for 16 17 years who and she is one of [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► the enforcers and there you know there [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► are just a few houses left except for [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► right across the street from my mom's [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► house is still the the universal Church [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► of God in Christ creation which is a a [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► church in you know in a that's in an old [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► mansion weather with the windows of kind [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► of all been covered with the with [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► plywood but they still have they still [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► have a rousing church services in there [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► twice a week [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► wow so you know it's still I think if [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► you were if you were a real estate [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► person you would still drive through the [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► neighborhood and say with it was in [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► transition over but a boy it has to well [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► it has transitioned and and the first [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► transition the first major transition [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► happened when Terrance set his house on [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► fire and it burned hehe installed what [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► was the story he installed an electronic [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► security system but he had a friend [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► installment and it shorted out at one [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► point and center fire up through the [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► stairwell and you know fire engine [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► wiring for [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► thing oh and that's exactly what [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► happened he is friend installed a new [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► security system on some knob-and-tube [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► wiring and just you know I'm sure just [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► like put some Elmer's glue on it are [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► women so the house burned down our debt [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► not burned down it just it was damaged [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► by fire if our Terrence inoa you know I [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► i would probably seek out people that I [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► could pee in product where they would [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► work it privately for me you know i'm [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► saying i'm just like if you if you get a [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► cracky electrician in an old house I [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► mean that's kind of a recipe for [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► disaster [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► my feeling is the worst job although the [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► the thing I i like to hear about the [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► least is when I when I know someone is a [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► crack it and it turns out they're also a [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► locksmith that's a bad one [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► what a terrible combination that's a bad [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► job for any drug addict to have and I [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► don't mean bad for them i mean bad for [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► society [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► I want my locksmiths if there's one job [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► I want I want to walk in and see like a [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► Christian fish on the wall or you know [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► where a letter to see what you want to [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► be somewhat he's very tidy and maybe a [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► little bit taciturn super ethical one [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► you want to use a lot a lot of questions [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► like like like well if tsa people were [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► competent like is somebody somebody [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► who's going to ask you some questions [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► like when I came to Seattle they notice [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► my driver's license was expiring soon [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► I appreciate that i don't like when [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► people touch my balls but i do like it [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► when their job is to notice things like [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► that and they do notice that in that [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► instance you get somebody pulls up in a [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► well in a well-maintained vehicle it [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► says that they're bonded whatever that [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► means [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► ya know how to have you ever considered [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► becoming bonded i'm not really sure [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► what's involved in that actually fish [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► story about terrorists as it did they [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► get the dog down or did it perish in the [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► conflagration know that the dog was on a [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► part of the house that didn't burn but [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► they but they got their insurance little [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► dog have any water damage or smoke [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► damage there's some smoke damage and [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► they they joined the exodus of people [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► from that neighborhood who were moving [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► out of seattle and down to renton where [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► rents were still cheap where property [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► taxes were still low and it was a it was [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► a tremendous thing that happened between [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► the nineties and now [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► where what had would have been this core [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► super-tight neighborhood and absolutely [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► a black neighborhood going back going [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► back to the founding of Seattle and a [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► black neighborhood that was where the [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► where the the city you know in enforced [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► it at a certain point like it was it was [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► originally it was a neighborhood that [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► formed around a very successful black [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► hotel e'er who moved to Seattle at the [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► at the very founding of the city and and [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► started a hotel and was a very [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► successful guy built himself a beautiful [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► house in this neighborhood and so as you [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► know as blacks moved to the neighborhood [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► they were encouraged to move into that [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► area and then at a certain point the [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► city was like well if you're black and [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► you're moving to Seattle you have to [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► move to that area and it was a it was a [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► gradual creeping change that happened [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► we're pretty soon you couldn't rent or [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► buy outside of this neighborhood who and [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► it became a it became an incredibly [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► vibrant neighborhood incredibly powerful [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► culture it's where quincy jones came [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► from and it's where it's where Hendrix [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► came from it's like a ray charles got [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► his start playing music in this in this [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► neighborhood and anyway the entire [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► neighborhood now is just has been kind [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► of culturally decimated not buy anything [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► except this sort of influx of middle [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► class whites that are like a these [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► houses are pretty good actually and so [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► cheap and so the neighborhood little by [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► little has all moved to renton and [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► places far beyond tenant down here where [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► I'm living too but so Terrence moved and [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► the people that bought that house and [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► poured 500 grand into rebuilding the [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► fire-damaged where were the classic [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► couple a classic sort of white [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► satellites he is a psychiatrist and she [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► is a videographer a videographer the [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► ultimate job she do she video graphs [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► tables my job that is not a job [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► videographer whenever I open up the [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► sunday supplement in the in the seattle [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► times and they are featuring some new [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► architectural house on the lake you know [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► like all this is modern you know green [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► construction superloft with cheated poor [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► country like davidson did that I think [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► he built a very fancy like over-the-top [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► fancy has a blog about the building of [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► his crazy house on a lake [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► yeah and then as you read the [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► description one of those people [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► the husband or the wife is always a [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► videographer that is super interesting [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► which is code for who [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► rich parents who I think we get that [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► here with with things [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► who so there's this there's this really [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► unlistenable thing that they do on kqed [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► called perspectives where people do a [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► little five-minute editorial and there's [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► some people say they're really playing [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► Pachelbel's Canon sounds fun but now I [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► think it's like the Brandenburg [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► spreading her get checked for something [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► a little water music but they are but [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► it's theirs code i think in these I've [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► listened to these for so many years and [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► you know in our perspective from you [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► know it's always like a lady with a [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► hyphenated name and and and the and i [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► think there's there's code is code names [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► as code jobs you know job [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► yeah I mean it's funny because i like it [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► as somebody who has considered himself [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► from time to time a writer I i think a [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► lot of people a lot of people especially [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► professional journalists and authors [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► don't like the word writer because it [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► really doesn't tell you much about what [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► that person does professionally and I [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► think they look down their nose in the [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► same way that probably physician thinks [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► that somebody with a PhD in Medieval [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► Studies shouldn't call himself a doctor [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► right but I know when someone says that [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► they are a something like they are are a [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► writer [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► living in marin county uh-huh I think [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► that's the Marin County version where [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► there are no could be there potter like [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► I think that mr. Roxas like that's kind [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► of I think that's the our version of [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► videographer yeah he's a blogger she's a [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► ceramicist and here's a here's a spread [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► in Architectural Digest of their 11 [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► million dollar home they had a couple [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► investments that really really really [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► paid off so ceramicist you say that to [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► tell people parties when I meet people [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► at a party and I end and you get into [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► that la thing where they obviously want [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► to carry over status [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► yeah i would frequently tell people that [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► I'm a ceramic to say okay I was going to [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► have full fitness for some crazy plot [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► line for the bar is not so what he would [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► what do you do on mobile number producer [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► because everybody else is a producer [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► whatever the fuck that means I sell on [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► mia mama ceramicist and the nice thing [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► about that is i I don't really want to [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► try to describe to them what I do [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► because they wouldn't be interested [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► right now here's the beauty part if I [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► tell them I'm a ceramicist I gotta tell [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► ya like like seven out of ten times the [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► conversation ends because I got nothing [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► for that right that's right that's right [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► but they but you can sometimes be super [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► cool that goes with the fucking we are [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► obviously not a ceramicist and I'll say [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► is I make jokes on the internet is that [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► cool me too and you can have a [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► conversation with yeah it's right it's [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► it's a it's a great filter it's like a [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► cheese cloth that only the only the best [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► the best part of the wine gets through [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► food that's true it's like I it's like a [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► for employment decanting and now in the [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► nineties this this stopped being useful [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► as you can understand I used to tell [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► people it's what you do and i say i do [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► stuff with computers and that was plenty [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► to stop the conversation because nobody [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► cared you know even in the nineties even [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► the nineties you can see if I said if I [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► said I make things for the internet then [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► I would have had to listen to them talk [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► about you know keywords in AOL and stuff [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► like that but you say do things with [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► computers you know nobody cares i think [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► you said that to me and I was like next [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► site [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► yeah they were like but I love Sloan [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► back in love slow and you're like no no [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► I really loves loan you guys remind me [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► of Sloan and I was like a boy [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► yeah not compared you to a lot of fans [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► that you're not that crazy about now uu [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► rur see generous [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► thats better by the way that would be a [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► much better name than trebuchet so [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► generous ooh so so um I don't want to [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► provide too much triangulation here but [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► you've mentioned on a couple occasions [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► that a point not too long ago i'm [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► guessing the house on the other side [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► became kind of like a flophouse writer [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► became like a nut transient maybe but it [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► seemed like there was a lot of people [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► kind of coming in and out of that place [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► was at that house or the other side [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► yeah it is it was the house it was it [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► was the house on the other side the [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► house that that was formerly on buses [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► videographer the videographers are still [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► in Terrence's well no they then sold i [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► swear to you i am not kidding [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► they sold that house for nine hundred [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► thousand dollars to a guy to a French [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► guy who owns a restaurant and his wife [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► who is like a high of a big-shot lawyer [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► for nine hundred thousand dollars [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► this is a house that when Terrance owned [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► it was worth eighty thousand dollars and [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► we are talking about a span of 10 years [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► that is bananas totally bananas the [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► house on the other side is the biggest [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► house in the neighborhood some it's a [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► massive house owned by a Seattle cop who [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► grew up in the house with his seven [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► brothers and sisters and his father [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► owned a local service station and he was [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► one of these guys that he just sort of [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► be bought houses in the neighborhood as [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► they came up for sale because you could [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► I think even it as late as 1995 you [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► could buy a house in that neighborhood [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► for twenty thousand dollars LOL i like [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► maybe like a distressed property kind of [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► thing not even just like a result my [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► house $20,000 that's what houses were [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► worth nobody between state was just [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► nothing here for years [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► and so this guy that on the service [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► station he owned a lot of houses in the [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► neighborhood but this was the house [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► where they grew up and so the cob and [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► his family [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► I as the as the old man got crotch here [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► and crotch the air and the houses around [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► we're selling he was like I'm not [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► selling I'm never gonna sell that house [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► screw you and it wasn't putting any [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► money into it he but he didn't want to [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► sell it and they were renting it [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► there's a college nearby and they were [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► renting its students and little by [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► little it just got it was being rented [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► by ring quieran drinking your groups of [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► students because you know what you do is [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► you get a person that moves in then his [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► five friends move in and then four of [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► them move out to better places and the [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► rink easiest guy stays and this is this [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► is this is this is a very interesting [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► economic phenomenon like it's never [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► there's never going to be like a guy its [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► not gonna get better [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► it's not gonna be like the next guy who [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► comes in is the guy who always does the [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► dishes and trims the lawn it's always [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► going to move downward it's moving [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► downward as it was moving out of that [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► house is the way you move up exactly [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► moving out of it as like I'm not living [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► in a group house anymore where I have to [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► have a padlock on my door I'm i'm [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► getting up pick up on the roof just two [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► houses away to thousands of way so the [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► house the group in the house you know [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► got got worse and worse and worse until [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► it was the type of thing where you know [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► you would go over there four o'clock in [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► the morning they'd be in the backyard [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► like banging on 50 gallon drum set and [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► you could say it's for the fuck o'clock [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► in the fucking morning and they would [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► turn around and look at you like you [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► were crazy for coming over they ever buy [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► themselves a couple Marcia well so my [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► mom is my mom is real good at at the you [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► know managing situations like that and [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► they all love turn would do anything [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► she's anything she asked but my mom also [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► sleeps [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► she's one of these people who has a the [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► white noise maker who in a room quickly [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► big believer in that [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► so she turns white noise maker on and [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► you could they could be landing 747 on [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► the street and she would just be like to [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► do but i am not a white noise maker I am [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► a everybody in the neighborhood be [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► fucking quiet after a certain hour that [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► is my because you know what I'm here to [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► help people and one of the things I like [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► to do with college students is teach [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► them how to be members of society your [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► education starts when you walk off that [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► fucking campus [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► yeah that's right so i would not let you [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► sign it for me say John I think not say [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► too much but i think he did some of your [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► highest level thinking at three or four [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► in the morning i absolutely do be quiet [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► for that so I was over there regularly [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► it right up in people's faces like do [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► you know what time it is do you know how [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► little I care [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► we were scuffs I i tried out a whole lot [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► whole lot of different i would put on a [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► wizard hats okay sometimes I would dress [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► is a ring rate and from there [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► oh and uh and i would say I you [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► understand that no one that is older [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► than 18 years old cares that is st. [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► Patrick's Day [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► you understand that right it is not [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► actually a hot a real that singular [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► DeMaio is not actually a holiday you [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► understand that it's not even like [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► Valentine's Day it's just it's just a [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► shitty day for that was just circled on [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► the calendar of alcoholics in Mexico [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► they do not celebrate cinco DeMaio in [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► this way the only people in Mexico [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► celebrates cinco de mayo are people who [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► have lived in the United States and [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► brought it back that's not a holiday to [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► them it's not mexican independence day [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► you are making a mistake it's a day [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► commemorating the victory in one stupid [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► battle against some French and that no [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► less a lot of history great victories [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► against the French come on [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► except as your core and that was the [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► french against French and but I mean the [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► odds are pretty long on that when they [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► that was that was a pretty good one and [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► i'm i'm explaining this time explaining [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► this to people around a burning 57 carry [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► copy of Henry benefit with you at four [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► o'clock in the morning and you know and [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► there were a couple of times when I you [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► know I had to like grab a mallet out of [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► someone's hand and say I'm going to put [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► this up your ass [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► are they really hitting like dramas you [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► know what I mean it's like it's like it [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► i think i think they are living in a [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► part of the city where there a modern [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► primitive philosophy can really be put [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► into action because they've got three [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► heritage chickens back that they got the [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► sink stoppers they got six doctors in [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► there get six toppers in their ears they [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► got 300 chickens and you know and and [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► the Heritage chickens are going to last [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► exactly as long as it takes the records [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► to figure out how to pull the stick of [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► the latch and get into the chicken coop [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► and that's gonna be a bloodbath and [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► everybody's going to be sad because they [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► named the chickens and bring a friend [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► and you know and I'm over there like [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► trying to explain civics to them and [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► like do you see your college we can see [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► it from here do you see it's down the [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► street here [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► fuck you you're not on the college now [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► you are here in a tab where people are [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► living me included [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► I'm the mayor here and then at one of [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► these guys actually got a I've ken [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► stringfellow came over to my house one [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► day and some guy came out of that house [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► he was all hopped up on goofballs and [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► can in his way [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► made some off-the-cuff kind of a waspy [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► joke to this guy like oh I see you have [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► some stink sink stoppers interiors that [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► must be here when the when the feeling [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► you're trying to watch the dishes but [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► yeah well I whatever and this kid got [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► right up in Ken's face was screaming at [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► him and I was on the phone or something [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► and didn't didn't catch it in time and [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► it but the fight was averted but it had [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► a profound effect on can I it i don't [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► think it [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► I don't think someone had been in his [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► face screaming at him in many many years [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► and didn't know there were consequences [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► well can was used to living in a world [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► where a snarky like a snarky comment on [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► the side of your mouth who was enough to [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► devastate a room and everybody would go [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► home and think about their lives and [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► wonder you know if they if maybe they [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► should just give it all up you know ken [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► was used to like kind of owning his [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► university has that he has a lookup [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► presence for sure he's very smart guy [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► and a very [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► witty guy and he travels the world in a [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► in a kind of he travels the world in [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► such a way that everywhere he goes he is [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► surrounded by people who already love [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► ken stringfellow so he was not used to [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► confronting people in the world in this [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► way where he's just like oh i see that [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► you're behind the kids like what the [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► fuck did you just say to me and right on [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► his face and you know by the time I got [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► off my phone call and made it over there [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► it the damage had been done and I was [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► like hey this guy's a friend of mine [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► stop yelling at me in front of my house [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► you go over you go beyond drugs in your [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► front yard and the guys like well [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► alright but you know that you doing to [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► you know and can is like visibly like [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► shell-shocked like like the kid never [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► touched him but can't look like he had [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► been slapped with a kid gloves and it [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► was them [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► yeah it was a rough time in that [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► neighborhood because the transit [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► transitions can go a lot of different [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► ways and in this case it was [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► transitioning toward toward bad zone but [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► now that house I swear to you is home to [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► an entire bicycle polo team that's not [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► that's not a real thing [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► it is but it was invented in seattle [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► people play polo on old tennis courts on [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► their fixie bikes and it's the ferry and [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► so fucking angry right now very amazing [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► sport to watch but it i think it's [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► sweeping the nation if it's not sweeping [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► the nation it's only because the nation [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► it cannot cannot handle the truth it's [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► coming today special attire and little [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► helmets or anything [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► um it you know it is a it's a variation [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► on bicycle messenger culture which [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► already has its own set of kind of [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► modern primitives slashgear head / vegan [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► occupywallstreet going to put willfully [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► willfully filthy yeah it's a kind of [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► it's a kind of like gutter punks who are [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► not so committed to the cause that they [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► actually want to live in a gutter like [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► they want running white totally buy that [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► when people are 18 or 19 [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► I just when I see people in the 40 [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► surgery and that just makes me sad [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► well these guys are all in their life [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► that I I suspect they're in their [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► twenties and there's like it's like it's [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► like the guy in his forties who comes to [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► a punk rock shelf said I say that as a [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► guy in his forties but when that there [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► was this one guy this one [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► skinhead in tampa who would come to all [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► the hardcore shows and he was like it's [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► 30 easily thirties probably he just [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► seemed ancient and it was just always [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► like you know that guy with the converse [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► you know now I wonder about this Merlin [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► because my all through my teens and [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► twenties and even thirties there were [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► those guys that haunted the outskirts [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► order of the music scene and sometimes [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► like managed to get themselves you know [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► they're always real friendly people and [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► the magical insinuate themselves into [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► kind of close to the center of of [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► certain little will adjunct rock scenes [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► these guys who are like who are [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► conspicuously too old to still be dying [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► their hair conspicuously too old to [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► still be wearing bell-bottoms and I i [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► remember all through my my youth in rock [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► you feeling that mixture that you're [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► talking about that same mixture kind of [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► pity and contempt for these guys was [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► like really are you serious what are you [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► doing here [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► shouldn't you be working in a bank or [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► something like that maybe being an adult [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► someone yeah right [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► and now that i'm 44 I don't what was [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► clear about these people was that they [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► did not have they were not seeing [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► themselves in the mirror you know they [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► look at themselves in the mirror may be [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► like haha you think insisted that they [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► didn't care i don't know i honestly [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► don't know like whenever i see I i [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► tweeted about this not very long ago [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► whenever I see a man my age wearing paul [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► weller haircuts [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► I'm like no no don't especially off like [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► frosted tips you are not mod now you are [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► fewer in your 40 sir stop having your [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► hair done that way that is not [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► appropriate but you see these guys [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► they're like you know they've got it [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► they've got a 19-inch neck and there [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► were having a paul weller haircut there [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► and they're wearing clothes that only [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► fit on someone with a 29 inch waist and [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► the thing is what they don't realize is [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► that first of all paul weller today he [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► looks super fucking cool he looks great [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► he's like nick lowe he like he is he's a [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► cool looking old guy that looks like [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► he's carved out of wood [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► well yeah like maybe some driftwood but [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► that's what was that guys thinking with [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► his own body [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► miss dysphoria is what is called he [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► thinks he looks like Pato held her but [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► it doesn't realize he's actually closer [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► to Elton John yeah yeah he looks like he [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► looks like a large client that someone [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► pasted pubic hair oh yeah and what about [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► what I did what I'm afraid of is that I [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► have a similar like I am 44 44 and I go [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► to rock shows and I stand there with the [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► with a look of the only builds contempt [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► for everybody and I have a and i cut my [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► own hair and i'm wearing some dopey [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► hipster glasses and i don't know if i [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► look like i am which is the coolest guy [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► in the town or whether i look like maybe [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► I actually am which is a big dumb dope [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► forty-four-year-old hanging out in a [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► rock club who should be working in a [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► bank by now i cannot idea i cannot say [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► for sure I I would never want to try to [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► talk you out of a painful experience in [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► self-realization because I i said i get [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► the sense that that's a valuable journey [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► for you i enjoyed this very much the [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► first of all I think we should stipulate [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► that there are various types of two old [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► guy at a rock show [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► there are everything seems to be almost [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► every community has a savant are or or [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► some kind of a like super fan that [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► everybody knows is probably a little bit [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► autistic or such a tradition and you [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► know he gets to sing along on stage he's [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► been to every show every yeah [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► yep yeah i mean he's he becomes like a [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► mascot that everybody kind of tolerates [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► there's there's there's certainly there [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► certainly can't be i'm thinking of [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► almost like Matthew McConaughey and days [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► to confused there there is that kind of [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► predator feeling character right but [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► again I don't want to talk about it but [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► obviously John I think [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► you are an elder statesman of that [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► entire community people look to you for [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► guidance and wisdom that makes me feel [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► better and i think i think one direction [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► to take it is that really you are there [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► to to have that look on your face and to [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► make people really think about whether [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► they should be on stage at all m1 or [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► yeah i don't know i mean maybe enough [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► for every show but I mean the thing is [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► these kids need leadership and you know [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► that they're basically there are two [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► months away from being in a backyard [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► playing on fucking drums yeah you're [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► right you know a lot of them just shits [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► not an appropriate to be in a bit and [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► you know and here's the other thing now [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► a lot of these people today they have [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► completely inexplicable haircuts that [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► that's true that maybe somebody in [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► England should have for a little while [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► before a wise up at the front of big [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► problem with the frosted the frosting I [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► don't like the frosting it takes too [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► long not the frosting on the beer but [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► the frosting on the tips not a fan [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► one of the things that I I feel one of [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► my jobs in seattle is to demonstrate to [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► people younger people how to the [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► appropriate way to wear corduroy and [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► tweed uh-huh [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► because you see a lot of people there [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► like corduroy tweed and then I get it [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► all wrong [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► you're like a beer like a professor of [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► corduroy it seems like you have you see [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► subtlety and you feel in that in that in [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► that whistling like you either something [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► there's something there that you are [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► tuned into that other people are just [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► playing with you must see that sometimes [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► ago that the costume you're wearing [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► corduroy appropriately [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► yeah if you're if you if you are [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► properly wearing a corduroy blazer the [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► tips of your lapels should curl up a [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► little bit from where the jacket has [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► been rained on multiple times so if your [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► lapels are lying flat we can see that [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► you've never worn in the rain this [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► immediately calls me out as a corduroy [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► piker because I I think I is I don't [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► this ping-pong but I i feel like i would [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► be worried you are corduroy and they're [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► not worried but I would be would be [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► concerning to me I would work i would [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► want to have a shell over the corduroy [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► and you're telling me that that's this [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► is this is like you're just you're [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► working it in when you're there you [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► don't wear corduroy and your tweet in [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► the rain [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► you're not wearing it does not make you [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► smell like a saint bernard absolutely [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► ok absofuckinlutely if you live in [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► scandal and you don't smell like a saint [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► bernard then you're too precious [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► you're not doing it right Oh [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► also if you live in Seattle and you wear [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► suede of any kind [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► it had better look like you just escaped [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► from a fire [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► you know what I mean like suede is not [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► an appropriate fabric for the Northwest [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► because at any moment a squall might [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► like knock you off the dock huh [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► you can't have the power goes out mob [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► rule [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► I think you're going to be wearing an [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► inappropriate clothes you're wearing a [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► jacket that needs to be brushed now give [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► me a break [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► so you can wear spider in Seattle it [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► just has to look like it has to look [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► like somebody somebody just like cut the [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► head off a cow with a with a like that [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► scene in Apocalypse Now [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► boom yeah not a cow and oxen oxen you [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► like someone someone who had to have [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► just chopped an ox with a machete and [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► cut sleeves in it right in front and [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► then yeah right and and made us wear a [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► jacket that's the only way that's the [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► only way you can wear suede this this [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► this this is probably as good a time as [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► any for me to bring this up because you [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► recall that when i was in Seattle with a [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► couple weeks ago remember about those [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► dad's shoes about comfortable dad shoes [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► yes you did and never any fun because my [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► large toe box right but here's the thing [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► that everybody made fun of you i thought [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► they were I thought they were perfectly [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► she's driving a little frustrating that [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► they they they didn't check out my feet [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► with the product device they had me [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► stand on a computer and the guy gave me [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► some notes on my posture a computer [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► Braddock device of any you talk about [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► your posture [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► oh yeah here's the thing you go to this [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► place and I think they've got a good [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► selection there which I'm gonna come [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► back to but is well let me just check [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► the let's have a look and check out your [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► shoe size [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► okay so far so good and also this is a [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► little better than it did you have it [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► was his tongue pierce who had a Capitol [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► Hill impediment and and and so I stood [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► on this thing and i saw what looked like [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► a functional MRI and when people said [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► well you do you do tell us a little bit [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► to the left me some I don't know haha i [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► said and so there's a dress to the right [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► right you have to like I just I i just [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► left which is a little unconventional i [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► think but then we brought up the shoes [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► he also brought some orthotics you know [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► I mean that looks like a doctor [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► i mean that's like that's like a when [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► you bring up valid show lady some makeup [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► you also give her a car with a Botox [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► person on it like I don't want to show [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► me your thoughts but anyway long story [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► short I ended up buying these dad's [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► shoes because they're supposedly like [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► good in the rain but can I tell you what [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► I first held in my hand and almost [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► bought was was your brand was the the [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► Clarks i might my wife likes your shoes [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► and she has been encouraging me I at one [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► point I know you you got free Clark's [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► memory serves and I said I said to the [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► guy these these desert boots or whatever [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► they're called become chukka boots when [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► i was a kid i said these don't fare so [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► well in the rain he's looking into no [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► you do not want to wear those in the [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► rain now but you okay so here's the [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► thing tell me tell me about this is part [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► of the larger apocalypse weighed like [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► you just get used to those things being [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► all beat up and shoot your feet being [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► with yeah this is the thing I mean now I [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► understand there are cultures in America [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► where you wear white tennis shoes and [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► you clean them with a toothbrush every [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► night but in in in my opinion in seattle [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► if you are going to wear some Clark's [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► that are made out of suede they're gonna [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► look like shit after a while but looking [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► like shit is a wonderful way to look [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► great if you can if you do it with style [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► and authenticity [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► that's right if you look a little bit [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► like I mean this is ultimately a large [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► portion of what we consider [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► american-style by which i mean Tommy [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► Hilfiger and ralph lauren and all these [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► kind of a classic men's stylist in [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► America they are they are 100-percent [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► stealing English mens style and just [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► stealing whole cloth bring it to America [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► and making it a little craft her a [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► little just more base and then selling [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► it to the masses and everybody in [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► America and everybody in japan for that [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► matter [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► we're all dressing like English country [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► gentleman who accept with her but isn't [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► sure the temperature-dependent sons of [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► Industrialists yeah it was weird we are [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► we are dressing like people who are [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► walking over our state with a couple of [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► golden retrievers following us with a [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► double-barrel shotgun in the crook of [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► our arm waiting for a pheasant to take [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► flight like everybody in the country [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► like preppy is just a version of this [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► American prep is just a version of [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► English country [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► well my feeling about it is that english [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► country is a great what is a great [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► jumping-off point for fashion but you [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► have to actually look like you're [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► walking across a muddy field with two [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► golden retrievers behind you with the [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► widow with a with a rain falling on you [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► like if you if you try and look for [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► trying to look to groom if you try and [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► protect your suede shoes against the [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► ring you are being a fop it is the it is [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► the wrong that is wrong by my standards [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► but then again i have never ironed shirt [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► when somebody shows me an iron i always [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► think 'what is this is this thing [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► why would you why would you why would [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► you have certainly not the kind of thing [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► you would want to have to depend on it's [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► heavy it's unwieldy its sharp it's hot [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► and you don't have to drag that around [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► with you in order to feel like a [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► gentleman you know a friend of mine took [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► his girlfriend camping in the in the [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► olympic national forest a few years ago [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► and she was a sort of a city girl and [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► not used to this experience but he was [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► trying to bring her into his way of [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► thinking like I'm outdoorsy guy i'm a [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► camper like come with me I'll show you [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► what it's like and she he shows up at [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► her house to pick her up and she has a [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► suitcase [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► first of all it's like okay alright baby [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► steps he puts the suitcase in the trunk [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► they drive out to the forest and he [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► realizes you know that he is he's gonna [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► have to carry the suitcase to the [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► campsite but it's he's breaking it's a [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► it's a it's a gradual thing is it's kind [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► of almost car camping they're going to [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► drive into the [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► parking lot and just I just have to walk [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► a little ways to their campsite make [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► multiple trips to the car [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► yeah but that without any inconvenience [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► so he's okay he's okay with the suitcase [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► so we carry the suitcase they set up a [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► tent build a fire and she opens her [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► suitcase and she is packed a hairdryer [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► ok dad and to me that is that is how i [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► feel about a clothes iron everyday even [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► living in a house like I see a clothes [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► iron and I just feel like that is like [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► bringing a hair dryer on a camping trip [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► think there's something slightly sweet [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► about that was incredibly sweet and i [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► think that those two are married now and [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► and I've lived happily ever after and [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► it's a wonderful example of like I'm [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► opposites attract [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► this here's what I was so first of all [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► in addition to the fact that reminds me [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► of that very sweet movie [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► Moonrise Kingdom it it also makes you [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► think of what I wouldn't want so he's [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► Johnny outdoorsy so the first of all he [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► did it sounds like he didn't ask her [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► what she wanted to do right well but i [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► think they I think up until that she was [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► into it up until that point he had been [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► catering to her desire x SI fancy meals [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► and go to go to go dancing at the Oscars [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► she's really more like a cat and this [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► was this was one of these like hey let's [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► not let me show you what i like to do [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► you know and i think i think they have [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► met i think they have made it work [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► I that this was not a story trying to [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► poop on their romantic [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► no no no butBut I'm I guess here's what [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► I wouldn't want to see is somebody who [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► goes to rei and spends $1,500 on gear [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► right that without even know just in so [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► she opens up her and her i don't even [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► know my name in north face North back [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► even though they can't be trusted [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► yeah and it's full of brand-new [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► patagonia everything brand-new and [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► there's like three different kinds of [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► shoes for different we're obviously they [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► realized they had one on the line [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► yeah right that re is super nice to [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► about a jacket i really liked that rei [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► that's a nice sorry I you know I [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► that's like the flagship rei right it is [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► yeah and i've been a member of rei since [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► 1977 and my dad was a member of rei the [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► very very beginning that he was you know [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► in the first handful of people that [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► joined rei and I feel like REI has [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► become a place that I don't recognize I [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► mean I used to I used to buy everything [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► there and now I go into rei and I walk [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► around and everything is supposed every [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► everything is trying to wick sweat off [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► of me like I you know I oh I'll touch [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► your garment and that's why did they [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► call my wife now she runs she was what [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► she calls technicals yeah just got your [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► uncle's upward yes like stop waking me I [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► don't want to be wickd I want to have a [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► i wanna have a coat and the code is like [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► no no I have all these technology I have [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► this I'm you know wicking is the least [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► of the things i'm gonna do to you I'm [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► like I don't want to coat to do things [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► to me i just want a jacket that has that [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► as snaps and they're like no we don't [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► use snaps anymore we use this high-tech [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► polypropylene velcro that never get out [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► of my polypropylene back velcro that [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► doesn't make any sense i want a button [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► give me a fucking button on my coat no [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► no we don't need we don't have that [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► anymore because when here because when [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► you're summiting Everest after running a [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► like a triple marathon you're going to [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► be perspiring you don't we need to with [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► that sweat off of you [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► I'm like that's not what I'm wearing [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► this jacket for i'm not going to summit [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► Everest and no one who buys it is all [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► that they did they I think they get this [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► is just my moment as somebody who is an [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► outsider who is not there in 1977 I [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► think they are heavily trained to make [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► you feel like you're fucking [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► surrendering Hillary yeah when you go in [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► there or maybe maybe tenzing norgay like [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► you're supposed to really feel like [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► you're going to do something very [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► important and we're supposed to feel [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► like tenzing norgay he was [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► like tenzing norgay he was [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► you know he was working he did all the [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► heavy lifting right he did he had a [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► sense that you I heard hurt sir edmund [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► hillary was a hardy guy but really it [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► was it was tensing I don't think that [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► you can get to the top of Everest even [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► now even even the even now that there's [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► a quad lift to the top of Everest for [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► rich ladies I think you can have a [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► Sherpa carry you [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► I think you still need to be kind of a [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► badass to get up there [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► I don't care I don't you know yeah I [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► read into the void or whatever but but [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► you still have to be pretty tough but [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► but yeah the Sherpas like they go up and [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► down that mountain we didn't need [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► wicking he didn't mean it like a funny [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► hat a smile [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► here's the thing you go in and I think [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► this is it's all it's all a very it [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► again it's like pole-dancing you go in [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► there and you are part of a transaction [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► where both of you know what's going on [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► even if you're not admitting and so you [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► go in there and you're like you know [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► you're Johnny fleece fast and you're [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► likely to get some technical gear for [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► some extensive camping i'm going to be [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► you know walking a quarter of a mile [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► from my land rover I'm gonna be sitting [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► on the tailgate of my bulbo and eating [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► and eating and eating soy off dogs [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► yeah and so I think this plays straight [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► into the systems that they sell you know [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► the guy together that guy who want to [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► sell my orthotics I think he's used to [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► get offering people a sweet like I never [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► let him get to the socks but their socks [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► too so today I'm sure you're aware of [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► this at these places you go in there and [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► they knowing that there's a story that [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► you want to tell yourself [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► they can convince you that you owe it to [TS]

01:01:26 ◼   ► yourself to buy this multi-layered [TS]

01:01:29 ◼   ► clothing system fucking jacket you buy a [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► system right so you start out with this [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► weekend Material you buy a fucking [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► fifty-dollar t-shirt so it a wick and it [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► alarm zip off and the pant legs up off [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► John it's a tactical shirt in case [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► you're in the jungle [TS]

01:01:44 ◼   ► yeah right exactly exactly and so but [TS]

01:01:47 ◼   ► you go in there and and like that [TS]

01:01:49 ◼   ► they're dancing on a pole and you're [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► throwing out the singles and and you [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► walk out of there you run your card and [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► you walk out of there and you get to [TS]