Roderick on the Line

00:00:00 ◼   ► there is [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► hey I John did you give you figure out [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► my signals [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► yes yes yes I did yes I'm so sorry [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► see I at some point i was playing the [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► guitar in my studio room and I hit a cup [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► of coffee with the headstock of my [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► guitar because i was as i was playing a [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► really aggressive part and some of the [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► coffee sloshed on my keyboard my [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► computer keyboard which it's a wireless [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► keyboard over and it caused it to [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► initially only be able to type numeric [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► like characters like a dollar sign and [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► the paren and and like all the non [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► letters [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► ya like like like yin I could express a [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► lot of yen because i have the symbol for [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► yen and then it just stopped altogether [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► huh and so I sit at the computer and you [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► are you are skype messaging me saying [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► crap you ready go ready ready go big guy [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► and I'm like yelling at the computer [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► watch [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► I'm here I'm here and then I realized I [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► could text you but then you probably had [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► your phone off [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► oh and I'm proud God where to begin so [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► sorry I'm I keep mine [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► I can't use my phone away you know it's [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► just that II yeah I don't think they do [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► that anymore [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► ok but now but just you know the whole [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► idea of distraction just hundred percent [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► to John you know it's alright then I [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► looked and the entire lockscreen was [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► filled with green with Apple messages [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► from you that were yeah yeah pretty much [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► later in our special go well I don't you [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► know I don't think this is why I feel [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► like computers are are still made of [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► bicycle parties [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► and vellum and you know and bailing wire [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► yeah but I mean you're you're out there [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► you're out there deep in dayton ohio [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► pushing the keyboard and nothing's [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► getting in the air [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► yeah the and this is the problem if a [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► guy can't get a little bit aggressive [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► with his Kramer for these floyd rose [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► equipped Kramer guitar and / a little [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► coffee on his keyboard and have its keep [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► working [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► yeah but what if i was down what if I [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► was what if I was 200 feet under the [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► ground in a missile silo and I had a [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► guide my hand on a key anyone to think [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► and you had your hand on a key [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► yes and I'm like turn your Yankee sir [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► your key turn your key sir and my [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► keyboard I spilled coffee on it i am but [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► one question where you seated when you [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► were jamming no no I was standing up but [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► i but i'm telling you this was a very [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► aggressive guitar part yeah I've seen [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► videos of you and of course the senior [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► live programs as well but when you get [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► going your glasses fall off and you [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► start rolling around people think that [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► that's all part of the state Jack it's [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► not a bit but when i get when i get [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► really cranking on a part of who knows [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► what's going to happen sometime she's [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► gonna get spilled I'll tell you that [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► this is why you don't keep coffee on [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► stage shows and it's not it's it's [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► exactly why and it's why I had to quit [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► smoking [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► that's why first of all I had to quit [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► smoking on stage did you burn yourself [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► every time that story was I was I was [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► that I was just playing rock show it was [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► at the old crocodile cafe here in [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► Seattle it was back when you can still [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► smoke in bars and in between songs i lit [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► up a cigarette on stage and my because I [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► because one time many years before I'd [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► seen the band unwound play and the lead [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► the lead guy and unwound he came out on [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► stage before they ever played a note he [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► lit a cigarette and he just stood there [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► and smoke the entire thing just staring [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► at the audience [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► and at you know and nobody think it was [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► a sold-out show nobody in the crowd knew [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► what to do and he wasn't like he wasn't [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► on drugs he was staring at us it was it [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► was the most common with the most [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► confrontational aggressive badass rock [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► thing I had ever seen [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► he just stood there he smoke the entire [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► cigarette at his leisure while we sat in [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► the crowd dumbfounded [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► so I know naturally you're gonna pick [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► that up it's got kind of a smoky [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► overture you're setting the tone for the [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► whole show [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► yeah but i but i could not I mean that [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► was that was that was a badass move but [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► it was also a very art school move in [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► and I could never I could never walk out [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► onstage and put that kind of art school [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► cape on if i'm going to come out in a [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► case but it's gonna be from walgreens [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► it's going to be a walgreens game is [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► gonna be some of art school like stare [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► the audience down cape but I did but I [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► did realize that smoking a cigarette on [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► stage was something i could get away [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► with as the star of the show and anyway [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► let a cigarette on stage and my mom was [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► in the audience and she said the power [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► of suggestion is so is so profound when [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► a person is standing on stage that you [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► let that cigarette and 50 people in the [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► audience little like fumbled for their [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► pack and got a cigarette and I thought [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► the entire crowd lit up and then the [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► room was unbearable nobody could stand [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► to be in there because everybody was [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► smoking was like okay right no more no [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► more on stage smoking right so you've [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► always on some level then aware of your [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► power but in a moment like that if it [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► becomes really clear what you're [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► wielding up there [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► mm-hmm see this is why stops that's why [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► i stopped snorting heroin when ya you'll [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► do anything for your art well yeah well [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► I like the crowd to be comfortable to as [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► I i have a couple friends who are a [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► couple and when they first saw the [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► faceoff film you know pretty good that [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► John movie they agreed by you know 15 [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► animus tune animus consent that they [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► needed to develop some kind of a code so [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► something happen [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► and one of their one of the two in a [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► couple like ended up getting face [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► switched they would have a way to let [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► the person know they have some kind of a [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► facial safe code to let the other person [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► know whether it was really them or not [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► lose their crude and they won't tell [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► which i think is some sort of course [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► they won't know I mean now if you read [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► comics you know that kind of thing with [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► a call-out mind swap it comes up all the [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► time I guess what I'm saying to you is [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► you play guitar a lot you enjoy coffee [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► and maybe we need to work something out [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► where we can have some kind of lonely [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► ping-pong some kind of smoke signals [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► maybe involving the high ass Kiki's that [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► whether thatís maybe this maybe we can [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► work out some kind of read this one [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► thing I was ringing I was bringing all [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► the bells that i had and i realized that [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► you can't hear the you cannot hear the [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► bells unless the computer is engaged now [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► I'm not yet not yet yeah yeah now you [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► can hear fine but uh but and then then [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► that was that then I'm back to the [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► Wright brothers then it's like there is [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► no way once if he's not answering his [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► cell phone texts me going and getting an [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► ipad is not gonna help [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► there's not a third way I hate that [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► feeling and secondly lock your keys in [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► your car and you just you your your your [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► first of all you just fall apart because [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► you realize what a dumbass you are but [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► then if you like me to start reeling [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► through all these different [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► possibilities like any no panic like I [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► panicked but I'm a panicker and when I [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► pan to get real stupid and become very [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► what fabulous time become like a south [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► and south american writer i start coming [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► up with all kinds of crazy shit for what [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► we do to get the situation goes just [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► gonna steal your car and you will be [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► able to stop you know what that could be [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► Plan C you know what we should do is get [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► satellite phones i was gonna say yes I [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► was gonna get with it with the comics i [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► was gonna go more for Batman red phone [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► situation and satellite phone could be [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► nice because just in case just in case [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► as or horticultural lake and lime [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► maybe we should maybe you should lay our [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► out our own cable [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► mm-hmm should take that I i think i just [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► did it's like mr. Copeland on you [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► ah yes I'll everybody at work yeah um [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► everything she does is magic [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► I you know the phones are a funny thing [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► my in-law [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► still just cannot believe that all we [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► have are our mobile phones they think [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► it's so you know they're not that much [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► older than us but it just seems crazy [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► like you know what's the first thing you [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► do you get your house and the first [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► thing you do you do turn on the electric [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► and you get a phone like how could you [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► not have a landline phone in your house [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► and the first thing you do is go [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► masturbate in every room and get this [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► looks after not did I agreed a different [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► moment but i can't throw all the cards [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► out [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► I know ok now just to review when you [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► first considering just even considering [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► buying a home you go into every corner [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► and you listen right yes they are there [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► any spooks in here you lay down on the [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► floor closure eyes and you say are there [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► any spooks in here [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► ok then we fast-forward past the closing [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► everything set [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► you've escrowed or whatever that means [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► and now it's all yours do you have a [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► sense in your mind of the kinds of the [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► steps you walk through to lay your [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► imprimatur on that floor masturbating [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► seems like a great start in uh yeah I [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► mean you gotta you gotta walk around the [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► house i think i think in my case you [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► have to walk around the house and [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► visibly scoff at every improvement that [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► a previous homeowner made so like I walk [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► around I riding the quality and the [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► taste of decided i just put like a [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► little i just put a little thumbprint of [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► scorn on every other carpenters work [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► nice recessed lighting [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► it's kind of like it's kind of like when [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► you walk through the inner city and [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► somebody's tagged and then somebody else [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► is crossed out the tag and tagged [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► they're tagged on it and then actually [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► remember I just as written is gay after [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► the his gay right right [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► I I walk around and I just look at all [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► the I look at all the hack carpentry [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► because every house that's a hundred [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► years old has a 10 20 year increments [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► like the rings of a tree has hacked [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► carpenter that cat carpentry throughout [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► the ages so you can you can look at the [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► at the nails and kind of gauge like what [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► era those nails are from right to be [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► like oh this is some seventies a [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► carpentry and it's over the top of some [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► 50 sack carpentry so I walked and I [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► certainly walked around my house and I [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► was like that is some part of the whole [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► nature in now [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► there's some nice finishing I don't want [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► to you know triangulate too much here [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► but you'll remember i was literally [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► taken aback by your kitchen [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► yeah yeah there have been in there have [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► been improvements made who but but you [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► make decisions you've got a budget you [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► get time you going and you maybe fix [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► some things and another thing another [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► thing that I walked around the house and [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► I just I just I gave the scornful I to [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► all the new stuff so that the new stuff [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► this is my feeling so that the candle [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► lighting and the the marble countertops [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► don't get too ahead of themselves they [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► don't have too much pride they sit back [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► and they realize that they are new and I [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► see them right and then they become part [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► of the house and they're not they're not [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► sticking out all the time like look at [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► me i'm the i'm the pressure-sensitive [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► light switch or whatever it's like you [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► are you're nothing to me [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► yeah pressure-sensitive light switch so [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► your thing is also your my you can't [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► figure mine and here's what I want to [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► serve at my pleasure i want from you [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► that you work like a light switch [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► that's what I that theater lighting [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► thing where it comes up and down kind of [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► Jenny they got me like John I got mixed [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► feelings about that they installed this [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► stuff in my house and every time I walk [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► in I hit the light switch and then it [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► makes a decision and and I'm standing [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► there in the doorway my arms laden with [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► groceries or irm carry a girl across the [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► threshold or something [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► my hands are full and I hit that light [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► switch and then it thinks about what [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► it's going to do for a second it seems [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► like we hit the the opening of west side [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► story and maybe the lights are just [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► slowly coming up yeah yeah and then [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► sometimes they go up a little now John [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► and that's the reason they come on a [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► light switch and there's a reason the [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► late decision must be looking now it's [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► it is a reason that that is the analogy [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► for on and off it should give it a flick [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► it should be audible and then the room [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► should be flooded with light lights on [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► well we have one of those in our dining [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► area we call the nook and i think yeah [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► you you're emotionally with the old [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► place which is almost exactly like the [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► new place but in the new place [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► I'm somebody installed under which [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► college I just like theater lighting [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► right where it can gently you turn it on [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► and gently bring the light of day [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► and we bring the lights down somebody [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► installed in our place but they didn't [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► finish it so it's gonna hang out of the [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► wall a little bit you know you got a [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► match on it real hard to get it to go [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► it really it defeats the entire purpose [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► of having lights in your home this [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► morning exercise it's more like a [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► children's exercise and how to make [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► light happen then adults trying to find [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► a room with light [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► here's another thing maybe i don't i [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► don't know i'm not going to presume how [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► much you know about electricity light [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► but if you installed 10 canned light [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► fixtures in a room through one light [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► switch and you put a 60-watt bulb in [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► every one of those that's 600 watts [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► yeah it is additive and if your lights [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► which is rated for 300 Watts here's [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► what's gonna happen [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► your lights which is going to get very [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► hot as the power pours through the tiny [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► little as the electrons pour through the [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► tiny little hole elaborate chur the [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► little cable hole the hole that is a [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► cable about these things a lot of family [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► is tables are holes which electricity [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► pour through that our own better that [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► are there basically holes of plastic [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► that are full of copper electric pole [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► its up its it works it works like a [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► tunnel that it is a tube the electric [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► that I'm extrapolating fact that you put [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► that it's a tube it's a long copper tube [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► rate that is full of copper which is [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► full of electrons and it gets very hot [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► and you're seeing these these these a [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► brainiacs who put all this week we used [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► called recessed lights and candles when [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► you get the holes in the ceiling and you [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► get this kind of fruity no offense kind [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► of fruity the lights that are included [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► in the ceiling in a in a can [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► right right right i don't care for this [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► they used the wrong switches they use [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► with the you switches that were not [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► rated for this behavior and so when you [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► type if as if the lights are powered all [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► the way up then you go over and you put [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► your hand on it you will feel you will [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► feel the one of the most uncomfortable [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► feelings you can have as a homeowner [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► hot plastic light switch it's like two [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► places in maybe three places in your [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► home you should feel warmth [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► this should be water coming out of a [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► rated spigot could be out of some heat [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► radiating device but generally as you [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► know I am NOT an electrical engineer but [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► its understanding that electrical things [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► should not be hot [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► no you don't want your electrical things [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► hot and you don't want ants in your [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► upstairs bath now god they still there [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► no no come on it's been months so they [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► went away if you're living your sink is [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► that why they were so they figured out [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► another way because I was I had them i [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► had that I had their routes all mapped [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► out and I had little punchy traps all [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► around the sink so the answer would walk [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► across sorry but if it employs a [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► nonstick yeah well they would walk [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► across what seemed like a up floor [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► covered with leaves and then they would [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► fall into a pit and be impaled on a [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► shit-covered state upon the stick shift [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► covered bamboo stick and then they would [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► die of infection so they couldn't go [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► near the sink but then in there in there [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► like in their power their and power [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► which I do not understand i cannot for [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► the life of me understand it's one of [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► those pallets one of those animal powers [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► like they say a dog can smell you [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► six miles away and it's like how know a [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► dog [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► how does a dog do it right these ants [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► can find a way they send out so many [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► scouts million scouts and they found a [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► new way in which is that a little piece [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► of caulk had drooped true peacock ah and [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► yeah you know you I mean you would have [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► thought of that [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► who thinks about drew peacock and the [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► only way you could see the peacock is [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► lay down on the floor of the bathroom [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► and put your head under the toilet where [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► the P splashes and look under the trim [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► and there you will see that whoever was [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► talking it like they just kinda it's not [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► that they missed a spot [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► it's just that little rock dropped a [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► little bit and now it it is the i-5 of [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► ants [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► and they're pouring into the bathroom [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► and I'm like what do you want in here [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► there's nothing I genetic and Yuri cock [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► yeah you can but I am happy down there [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► you go down there it's not bad it's that [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► it's that you know that I i suffered [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► Merlin because i want the hands to learn [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► i want to i feel like i don't want to [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► fix the problem [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► I want to teach you teach teach the end [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► that's right i want to fix the problem [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► of the cock level I want to fix the [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► problem with the attitude level i want [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► to go back up the chain out the head and [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► rye i think i understand this is a big [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► pattern for you [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► yes be you would like to see a [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► consequent change in behavior but a you [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► want to make sure that they get their [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► mind right that's right isn't a kind of [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► more important thing 82 teaching at the [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► fish I imagine the Queen and and I [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► imagine some lieutenant colonel and [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► comes up and says were but we're missing [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► some scouts and the queen says send more [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► Scouts and the lieutenant-colonel comes [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► back and he's like sector B we are we're [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► not getting any readings from sector be [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► nobody's coming back [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► nobody's making it back from sector B [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► and she's like redouble our efforts in [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► sector B and we go back and forth until [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► the lieutenant-colonel bruised and [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► battered stands before her and says we [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► are hemorrhaging and sector B we cannot [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► keep up this pace it's an unwinnable war [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► like I want their hearts and minds i [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► want her write whatever you want to win [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► this this trench for this war of [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► attrition you want to wear them down [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► yeah it's where to where the short of [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► resources and a half blessing to you I [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► want her to feel I want her to feel me [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► there next to her in her nest whispering [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► in her ear [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► you should sit next to her I can't do it [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► I can't follow because she's a very tiny [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► tiny little creature i cannot get into [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► her nest with her but I want her to feel [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► me there [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► I want her to make decisions based on [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► the my whispering in her ear send all [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► the ins you want to just staring at her [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► smoking a cigarette but I have this [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► amazing thing which is called a [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► Dustbuster and my Dustbuster is [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► calibrated for antibodies and I will sit [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► and i will Dustbuster dance i will spend [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► i will spend 15 days not leaving my [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► bathroom there's a sink in there the [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► food i can get water who and i will just [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► dust every hand that comes out of that [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► little piece of true peacock em children [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► she feels me she knows I'm there I mm [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► I've read a third of a book about this [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► and I've heard for podcast about it and [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► I would tell you that the 15 second [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► version of it is that ants and this is [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► actually something i heard last weekend [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► and succeed because they're stupid and [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► because there's lots of them and when [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► they make a mistake things get better so [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► basically walk around as the EO wilson [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► is shown they have a little finger [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► shaped gland that makes that little ant [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► smell and and so basically what they do [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► is they run around and do these little [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► paths and when they pick up a more [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► powerful path they walk down that path [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► so it's all completely illogical [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► immersions it's all completely [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► accidental but it's also completely [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► chaotic and I'm just you know as you [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► know i'm not an entomologist but i think [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► it's hard to teach and I think they're [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► already there pretty stupid and ultra [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► summaries two roads diverged in a yellow [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► wood and sorry they could not travel [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► both but b1 and alone they stood there [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► and looked down one as far as they could [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► to wear been into the undergrowth and [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► then they take the other as just as fair [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► and having perhaps the better claim [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► because it was not grassy and did not [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► want where [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► although as for that the passing there [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► had worn them really about the same [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► Wow now what was that was a cross amber [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► go around her loved ones that I wasn't [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► gonna be white [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► no that was Robert Frost is I was gonna [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► guess for us [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► yeah cheese Louise I you know I I don't [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► wanna see I don't want to think about I [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► don't be bothered by and only bothered [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► by insects but like so many things in [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► life is just I noticed them you live in [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► San Francisco there are so many bigger [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► chance to bother you [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► yeah i can overlook a lot of them i can [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► overlook a lot of them but you know it [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► is it is frustrating and you know really [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► in Florida it was there was the roaches [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► means longer just talking about insects [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► and I think we can very easily extend [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► this to people and drippy cock not [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► withstanding the roaches you know they [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► say for everyone you see there's like a [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► seven thousand others or whatever [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► no not an expert but no no you see 1 [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► i'll never forget my first Roach it is [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► it is so complacent on my mind had a [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► little touch you know I wish you wish [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► rails 14 I could use the love but I was [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► laying in bed watching fridays as you do [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► and it might the room was dark and watch [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► my little portable black-and-white TV [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► and I i see a little movement and there [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► shouldn't be a little movement your room [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► at twelve o'clock on a friday and it was [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► a roach in my room and you know even in [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► Florida we're not talking about those [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► ones that are you know the size of a [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► pencil eraser know it's like a small cat [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► oh it's curry and and it's a little [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► insects that make noise like a pack of [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► gum is literally the size of a pack of [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► gum [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► yes they're like liked and gum and they [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► make an audible noise when they move and [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► I ran out of my room of all the [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► creatures I've had my room that was once [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► had a corn snake in my room one time I [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► dealt with that the but the the roaches [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► are the worst because you don't know [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► where they're coming from corn snake you [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► find a ticket like a gentleman but that [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► the roaches and you know all like so [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► many of our troublesome animals if their [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► head can fit throughout the rest of them [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► can i was sleeping in a hotel in this [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► middle of the czech republic one night a [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► motel [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► let's just let's call a spade a spade it [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► was a motel [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► and I turned off the lights and I heard [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► that sound and I was like I'm too tired [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► and I no roaches can't hurt me I'm too [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► tired to deal with this and I just screw [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► it and then one fell from the ceiling on [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► me in the dark while I was sleeping and [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► I i left six feet in the air and turn [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► the light on as i was flying and the [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► room was covered with these things that [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► were like they were the size of packs of [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► gum and black and the and so I was the [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► whole rest of the night I was killing [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► roaches United do anything I didn't stop [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► the plague [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► now i just made a mess i have one of my [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► ear once [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► oh yeah i mean not all the way in but he [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► was curious he was curious since [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► conversation is really going sideways [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► yeah once i meant haha good in this here [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► up [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► oh that slow at satori make it suntory [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► times now we're fine Stargate actually [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► waiting to play Stargate the the [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► much-improved you know son of defender [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► as you know and we're playing Stargate [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► and this guy was he's really good at [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► Stargate he's real gross and real stinky [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► and I wouldn't tell you his name but his [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► name was pretty much stinky that was [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► kind of his last stinky right yeah he's [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► a worker snotboogie via yeah yeah he was [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► he was he was going along and killing [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► mutants and jump into the Stargate and [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► he started shaking his is right foot and [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► a roach crawled out of issue [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► Oh welcome blocking the Florida stinky [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► you're saying the roads got the road [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► came there was stinky yeah [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► and I i don't think it was doing second [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► player he was refused he was riding was [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► thinking it's ready little Wayne up my [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► wildest one tax story i was walking down [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► the street they witness this John it [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► really really miss it going down the [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► street and washington DC in the middle [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► of the night one time and you know it on [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► the East Coast a town houses brownstones [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► have Stoops and if steps steps that come [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► down and those steps have beautiful sort [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► of cast-iron lintels at the bottom of [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► the stairs right they have two big posts [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► made of iron with but giant iron balls [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► on the top at the bottom of the stairs [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► be picturing this [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► yeah I am I was walking down the [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► sidewalk in a fairly nice neighborhood [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► and one of these brownstones had the top [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► of their of one of those posts had been [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► sheared off somehow [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► and it was hollow as they are and out of [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► it was pouring like water flowing out of [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► the top of this thing and down the sides [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► and into the street roaches [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► oh come on waves and waves just a [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► constantly like thousands of roaches [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► pouring out of this post down the sides [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► all four sides and into the sidewalk [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► industry and people were standing there [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► at a healthy distance from this thing [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► and marveling at it as if a fire hydrant [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► was open and water was spilling into the [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► street but it was it was a billion [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► roaches [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► what do you think brought them out [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► coming from we're coming from their [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► undersea layer and what was bringing [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► them out was black magic [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► mm it was the ugliest most awful thing I [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► had ever seen it it it it it inspired me [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► to think of new tortures that were that [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► were as bad as being buried alive [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► like for instance being stuffed down [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► that hole [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► you know or being buried alive in a [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► place where there were that many roaches [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► I mean they're you know as a as a man I [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► am I'm contractually obligated at least [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► once a month to think of some terrible [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► terrible scenario where I die or him [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► trapped or buried alive with a billion [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► roaches [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► yeah yeah I think that's pretty normal [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► hopeless situation that you that you [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► have been put into by an enemy for [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► example [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► yeah and this did not I did not have an [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► awareness that such a terrible thing [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► could exist until I saw this and then [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► then I realized that even my worst [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► fantasy was not it not as bad as the [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► world could could drum up [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► yeah I don't like I don't like swarming [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► and you hit the funny part of it is if I [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► if I were to place myself on a continuum [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► I think I'm you know compared to a lot [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► of people again having lived in Florida [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► you know have having seen a roach come [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► out of a Stargate player shoe I feel [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► like on the American continuum excluding [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► maybe Mississippi god bless them i think [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► i'm on the amana i'm on the pretty left [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► side of the curve in the shit I've been [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► in the shit I got the thousand-yard [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► stare [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► I think there are people who are way way [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► more freaked out by then the then I am [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► about roaches but again like the [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► Stargate player there are people who are [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► not quite freaked out enough but I guess [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► that's just that's a condition of life [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► now you know like with rats i don't like [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► rats don't like rats what about goth [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► girl with white Pat Rapp what about pet [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► rat on a on a little like with a cat [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► collar on there like anchovies you know [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► where if I know it's coming so to speak [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► like I'm okay we just had to get rid of [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► that the third rat at my kids school the [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► third rad shredders turf and movie but [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► wasn't that Orson don't like scary novel [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► that they get that Orson Welles movie [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► know which if you seen this television [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► showed the Americans i have I i actually [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► purchase it on my way to my TV we don't [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► normally sit and talk about pop media i [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► was curious what you thought about it [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► actually [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► well you know as a as a internationally [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► famous fact checker [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► my initial response to it was that I was [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► pointing out all the light fixtures that [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► were wrong and all the people that were [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► wearing not era-appropriate glasses [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► frame i wish i wasn't that guy that [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► everybody watch me watch indiana jones [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► last night and the part with the guys [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► from the Army come and talk to him at [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► the at the school [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► all you do is stare at this one guy suit [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► from fucking 1980 he was obviously [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► wearing in 1980 suit [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► yeah yeah and this I've got the the [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► thing about this show is in 19min [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► 1984-85 if you want anyone right ok very [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► clearly like that transition that's [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► right Reagan Reagan has like Jason Brown [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► in tell people because i don't want no [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► spoilers but I i think it's conceptually [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► setting aside the girl from Felicity who [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► I would eat off a cracker [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► I i think it's consistently or she's so [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► my type [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► can we talk about her she's got no hips [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► yes I didn't know me we're talking about [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► before because you mentioned and I was [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► like oh sure but i had no idea that [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► she's bitchy saw her and said that's [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► that's why did i see i see here and I'm [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► like up there it is that's one of those [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► Merlin girl she's got this big eyes [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► yeah but so the premise of the show is [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► that the that there are sleeper agents [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► from the Soviet Union living in America [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► as Americans basically for all practical [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► purposes in the city and they were like [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► raised as Americans yeah they're like [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► KGB agents not allowed not allowed to [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► speak Russian but they're dead but [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► they're devoted to the cause and I think [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► one of the interesting things about the [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► show is that it reminds me of a time [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► when soviet-style communism still seemed [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► it is plausible to me in 1981 that [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► people in America were still harboring [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► sympathy with the Soviet Union I [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► remember I remember a time when you know [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► when it was plausible that there were [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► people around who were still fellow [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► travelers okay yeah absolutely [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► yeah but so so that you know there are [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► some impossibilities about the show but [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► you know how much I love a spy show [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► oh it's in it's very it's got all those [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► else is you absolutely do i do as well [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► don't come back to this involving Jason [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► Bourne in a minute but yes and and it's [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► got all the elements it should be a [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► little better than it is but it's really [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► good because it's got layers i think [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► it's written well I think it's acted [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► well they're just a few moments where [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► I'm like those glasses are not from [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► sometimes reason you're not just your [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► not just kidding thats that's a big [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► hang-up for you those classes are wrong [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► yeah and everything is that what i can [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► tell is there are four people working [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► the set design of the show and 303 mr [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► good are dynamite you know there's like [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► I'm looking around and I'm like holy [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► shit they got the stock us as pull-up [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► socks with the guys socks they got that [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► whole thing remember in 1981 when [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► everybody had a weird brown and and mob [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► quilt hanging on the wall behind the [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► brass bell [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► yeah and like country kitchen with 2 k's [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► yeah or like a macrame plant holder that [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► had some ferns in it and an owl and you [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► know like 1981 very distinctive look and [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► they get the cars right i'm always [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► looking in the background shows like [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► that to see the one car that's wrong and [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► they all the cars are right i think [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► that's a lot of work [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► the clothes are right that is a lot of [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► work they're just there a couple of [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► things the lead actress has the wrong [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► hair is no way somebody in 1981 had hair [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► that that look that cool [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► she's butBut saying that the person [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► that's dressing her is putting her in a [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► tease jeans but making them look [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► contemporary like somebody's tailoring [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► the clothes so that little bit so that [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► they so that they are technically right [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► right good night but that's a balance [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► the striker you don't want to be like [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► distracting [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► yeah right you don't be maybe a little [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► too Gloria Vanderbilt exactly remember [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► remember how bad hi [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► waisted jeans looked on women i do and [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► we suffered through them for a direct I [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► was very focused on just about 2-3 [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► inches down from that but I do remember [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► and i think they really nailed that in [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► this high-waisted jeans with a little [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► tiny like alligator skin belt [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► oh man I I was like a double dollar go [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► around you get like a double belt [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► remember that little belt-tightening [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► with you get a lot of that stuff right [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► and then every once in a while somebody [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► comes on screen and it's like was the [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► good person off today and somebody just [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► loaned you their glasses like this and [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► maybe I'm maybe I'm a weirdo maybe [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► glasses don't matter to other people but [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► come on I come with you I i watch for [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► those things to you know and I always [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► notice is e and you know there are [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► people who have gone crazy with this and [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► I guess that show with the winter in the [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► elves or whatever there's like shit [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► where you can go through and look at the [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► vernacular elf winter elf winter that [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► show on HBO with the the Peter Dingle [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► guy and I know you know I met him it no [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► really [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► in college he seemed super smart so he [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► comes on he comes on the show that [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► hodgman and cabin and we're doing he's [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► one of our guests will come on [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► yeah and he said they're very very smart [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► guy he's a he is he's exceptionally [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► smart and also just saying that because [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► he's small understand he's great he's [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► very clean [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► he's he's a clean and yes he's keeps [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► himself very clean but he's a he's very [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► articulate his parents he's also like [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► he's really a mensch and and you know I [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► think he's like he's got a little bit of [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► a chip on his shoulder because everybody [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► wants to compliment him on being [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► articulated clean because he is [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► literally small he's a little zippy done [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► real well Peter but you know like but [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► but yeah right I I it i challenge anyone [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► to try and pat him on the head i think [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► he would break your hand into seven [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► places but but no he's won he's a [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► wonderful guy had a blast with him [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► easily hear more about that look like [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► dick had some kind of you know was that [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► was a rapier or a cutlass yet something [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► that Cutlass he had some kind of value [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► so you you was it mr. Hodgman somebody [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► posted a photo of you guys hanging out [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► and take haven't had some kind of sword [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► yeah well one of our guests was a [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► like a Quint athlete from the canadian [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► olympic that lady right there [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► yeah and she brought her fencing Sabres [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► something and she and I actually fenced [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► on the balcony of the chateau marmont [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► and you know she she again like all [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► great athletes she had economy of motion [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► so I'm slashing away at the air and I'm [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► saying come at me you know to the death [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► and she's just like she was just carving [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► our initials in my shirt and then then [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► you know she made the fatal error of [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► thinking that the duel was over there [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► and your future looked away which point [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► i dealt the fatal blow like like an hour [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► later and and I got booed I got booed by [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► everybody [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► uh-huh because supposedly that she [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► wasn't looking [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► yeah this isn't the Olympics isn't does [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► this cockamamie Olympic rules [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► yeah that's right this isn't this is the [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► real world dude but then-then cabin got [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► ahold of my saber at some point and then [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► he's you know I don't know you can't but [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► i would not give that man a sword [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► no I learned I learned the hard way yeah [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► you know got one time he and Groucho [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► we're talking about sources he's got a [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► gradual story for every single I mean he [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► has an anecdote about Groucho Marx that [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► fits any case he is he is the chuck [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► klosterman and the thurston moore of [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► Groucho Marx anecdotes you know actually [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► you cannot leave this history turns out [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► legally you cannot have a rock-and-roll [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► documentary and this is chuck klosterman [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► and thurston moore and that guy who [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► looks like Joey Ramone from my Rolling [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► Stone david fricke oh yeah that guy [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► can't stand to hear him talk like to [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► hire check classroom never stop punching [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► him [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► well you know I his teeth is Johnny [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► teeth [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► the corollary is the is the punk rock [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► documentary that has to have both flee [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► and dave grohl doll yes [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► yes yes he has something to say about [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► every single punk rock band also also [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► large Rick makes a lot of appearances in [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► Iraqi memories my god i heard the [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► greatest story please [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► so a friend of mine who is in a rock [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► band with the foot the famous eighties [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► rocker who's gonna remain nameless just [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► so that just so that are our fact [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► checker listeners are going to have to [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► do they're gonna have to do at least the [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► legwork of remembering the 20 times [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► we've talked about the person in the [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► past you tell me later [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► oh yeah some friend of mine potentially [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► financial investment k with the famous [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► put a very very very famous 80s rocker [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► and they are now has all of his organs [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► intact [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► he's still alive and we are ok I'm sorry [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► they are on tour they were on tour in [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► Asia recently on one of these big [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► package tours where its lair and it's a [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► you know it's what I dimebag darrell is [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► dead but the breast of the guys from [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► from the done bagged derelict explosion [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► and all those all those bands anthrax [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► they're all there and the headliner is [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► Metallica and so this buddy of mine and [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► some other dudes from like up-and-coming [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► metal bands that i could not name are [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► standing around backstage at the BBQ pit [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► at one of these big massive metal shows [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► in Japan and James Hadfield walks up [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► this way it's like what's up guys oh my [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► god that's so cool [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► so these you know these three guys are [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► like oh shit head [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► hey James Hadfield what's up bro and [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► they're all standing around they all [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► have like leather wrist bands that are [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► six inches wide and and they all have [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► long goatees and understand the colo [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► would some how it's going you know rock [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► and roll and James Hetfield's talking to [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► him and and somebody you know kind of [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► takes the initiative one of these guys [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► kinda gets a little bold [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► there's always one there's always one is [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► like you know you know what i like about [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► you guys [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► james hetfield is like you you made it [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► through the nineties without like you [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► know doing anything embarrassing [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► musically and change that feels like [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► thanks man you know appreciate it hey [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► guys can I keeps pressing his luck its [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► like I mean you know what I'm gonna stop [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► right there that lets his gracious [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► you're gonna get like a lot of metal [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► dudes you know a lot of guys let me [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► apply that state like a lot of guys your [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► age you know they play they tried to [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► like you know make it like techno record [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► or whatever and James Hetfield's looks [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► like the looks of these three guys these [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► three just like you know young dudes and [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► it goes alright can you imagine us to [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► imagine as playing like to a click track [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► with Lars and then it goes [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► duh and does this air drumming like like [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► duh dum don't go ahead as hell did this [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► hell did this and this friend of mine I [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► mean they're all their chins just hit [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► the floor because large is standing 15 [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► feet well my god and Hadfield is like [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► can you imagine us trying to play to a [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► click track with this ding-dong [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► duh I'm ward oil and kidding no and this [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► buddy of mine was like it was basically [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► the most badass thing I've ever seen [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► James Hetfield openly mocking Lars in [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► front of everybody and and I is [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► inconceivable inconceivable metal moment [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► and here and here it happened to it [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► happened at this i am one kiss away from [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► this story a man that I know very well [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► was standing in that group and says that [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► this happened [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► am i esteem for James Hadfield goes [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► through the roof [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► you know he's talked about half a dozen [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► times he's the good one at field is the [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► good one there one after that some kind [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► of monster thing I could barely I can [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► barely stand to see any of their faces [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► that was that was that was a slog [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► yeah so apparently it's not a mystery [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► it's not a mystery james hetfield that [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► larger orange is the worst drummer and [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► the first of all you don't think he was [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► just fun and like for the kids [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► mm I don't know this is here starting [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► pretty hard you know [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► ok we're definitely coming to that in 30 [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► seconds [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► here's the thing as something like that [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► james hetfield has been through a lot of [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► meetings I don't think that's the kind [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► of thing you say once maybe not i'm no [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► no here's what I'm saying I'm saying [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► that like talking to this dumbass is [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► probably that is probably i'm just [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► guessing that was not the first time [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► that that revelation occurred to him in [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► that particularly clownish format you [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► think he's playing to the cheap seats i [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► do not i think i do not i think i think [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► he doesn't like the drumming of his [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► drummer and they're in a business [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► relationship that he's obligated to be [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► in because it's probably pretty [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► lucrative it's like the way gene Simmons [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► talks about Paul Stanley what you say [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► about pasta alle gene simmons is [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► incredibly dismissive of Paul Stanley [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► like to display such a small little man [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► is a terrible person is that he subject [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► is the Donald Trump of metal [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► hey and you know and and you know I wish [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► and get into that ok [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► sporting talk about music probably but [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► but but so so Lars Ulrich the idea being [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► that you know he's got he's got moves [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► and stuff but you can really keep the [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► beat [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► oh he's the worst is that right you know [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► I'm a time when really she's probably I [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► don't know the guy he probably find have [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► a beer with but i don't think so i think [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► it would be terrible to have a beer with [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► yeah he is on that he is definitely in [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► the supergroup of worst musicians ever [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► really Lars Lars Ulrich on the drums [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► anthony kiedis and vocals all do you let [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► you literally not get me started your [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► sin case the finest and what you're [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► saying that John erotic you're not just [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► saying like it's not about the shaggs [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► we're talking about people who like had [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► records may have advanced a gold record [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► and have a reprehensible level of non [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► skill at what are supposedly don't more [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► on guitar haha [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► this is a black eye in that one video is [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► there is there is the doors guy right [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► yeah yeah i think the video for light my [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► fire on at solving he's got a big shiner [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► yeah I walked into a door nah but I was [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► ok so who we ll be there there are a [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► couple of guys in the doors that make it [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► into this band but but but Densmore for [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► his parts i mean John I don't like the [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► doors no listening to listening to his [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► guitar part so loud I think it's just [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► like listening to somebody throw a [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► guitar and a flight of stairs could even [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► pick up a coffee [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► I've never either i like a couple doors [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► songs but I you know I've really had I [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► State John and put time into and I still [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► don't get the doors you know I feel like [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► I should feel stupid like you know it's [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► like my friends who can't get into the [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► Smiths are selecting new york and i like [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► I understand you know they just can't [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► get into it but I have a lot of really [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► smart friends for him the doors is [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► probably one of their top five favorite [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► bands of all time I think it might be [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► some kind of mass hysteria I just don't [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► understand it [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► I'm starting my I'm starting to feel [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► myself starting to change my 1 i'm [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► starting to not understand culture [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► anymore culture Big C ok really that [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► you're reaching for your gun [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► I just don't know is that were [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► documented the other night with that [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► line in it you don't get it done [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► I've been watching live and what I'm [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► sorry I'm feeling but I've been watching [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► something about the Holocaust every [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► night and last night I took a little [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► decide route and watch Frank Capra's why [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► we fight off which is pretty pretty [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► great propaganda there's a great line [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► whenever I hear the word culture I reach [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► for my gun [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► yeah alright who said that it was a [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► pretty early national socialist quote [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► you know maybe know but let's get back [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► to the important John your American know [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► I've been watching a lot of Holocaust [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► stuff lately too and it isn't so much [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► about the family affect me tell you [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► about the film's h2 film stay the actual [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► literal films they shot at the camps in [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► 1945 watch that for an hour and then you [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► know what I did you know fuck you I i [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► sat down and watched that entire [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► six-part outwits thing on x201 I told [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► you about of the bbc1 yeah after last [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► phone call you talk about this is a [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► literally [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► I seen her pic from beginning to end [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► doesn't that make you happy [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► oh my god it was so well done it yeah it [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► was a great party was a great show and [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► also the message of it is like no one [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► invented the Holocaust it was the [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► product of it was the product of a [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► hundred people all trying to do their [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► jobs a little bit better [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► yes out yes a hundred percent and then [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► but I guess what [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► well two things occurred to me and I'm [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► really doing here I apologize did two [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► things that occurred to me please [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► continue two things I'm first of all I [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► guess I know I mean I knew that the camp [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► started as concentration camps in the [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► true sense of the word not as death [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► camps right or I guess they were kind of [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► you know slave labor camps but they're [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► mostly places to put you know religious [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► initially there were places to put [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► Russian but captured sounds like they [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► got it worse than just about anybody [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► yeah but nobody's counting the Russian [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► dead in world war two because it's like [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► 20 million people you can't even count [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► that high but I was as two things struck [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► me is an amount of scholar here but it [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► struck me first of all in my head I go [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► okay [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► Nazi death camps 1942 1945 like april of [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► nineteen forty-five i'm imagining that [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► there are as gas and crematoria for like [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► six solid years and that was simply not [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► the case it wasn't really kicking in [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► until like 42 43 and then they were [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► already kind of shutting it down to 44 [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► did all that in like three years [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► yeah yeah they were killing 15,000 [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► 20,000 people a day [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► hey / camp I mean they once they got it [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► they were like let's get this done [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► well there's the guy and there's like [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► the guy you know it's like the famous [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► toyota that was before they went to the [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► Toyota plant and I see what you're doing [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► here at your blanket if this guy this [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► guy [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► RCMP Tony again up god-king fucking song [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► but the longer it goes the trip like and [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► he's like wow you guys got a good thing [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► going on here let's see what we can do a [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► over here [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► yeah you don't so close but the second [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► thing you know what really grabbed me is [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► I don't know if this is the source of [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► your anecdote but on our Hitler and [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► stuff [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► visit when you told the story about the [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► the French people [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► and parents separating the the mothers [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► from their children and how it was the [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► french that we're doing it it's like [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► when I think that was and watched I've [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► been so steeped in Nazis lately i could [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► be getting the wrong i think that was [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► from the Auschwitz one [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah i mean and i can [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► recommend that to our listeners if [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► you're if you're looking for a lot you [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► know what we should just have a an [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► annotated bibliography of all the bring [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► down things you can listen you could [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► watch on your television i have a roku [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► with 700 channels i have an apple TV [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► with about 70 purchase movies on it and [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► I spent everything about Paul look after [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► my family goes to sleep I sit in the [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► dark and watch things about the [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► Holocaust by myself [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► yeah but that seems healthy that own [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► Scientology I've been thinking a lot [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► about the ontology look good you learn [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► you grow your ground on top huh yeah um [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► I don't know [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► you know I go I go around the world [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► here's the here's the problem i go out [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► in the world I live in Seattle the [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► biggest problem we have here is that [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► sometimes there will be four people at a [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► four-way stop and no one will go first [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► and all four people will end up dying [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► that was that's like to think that is [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► the biggest problem natural causes get [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► all died of natural causes that all [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► asphyxiate on there on the fumes from [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► there idling engines because no one can [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► figure out they gotta mpi they call a [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► Travel a moment you gently pull over [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► pull over and listen to StoryCorps you [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► cry a little bit you fucking die in your [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► Volvo died in your Volvo that's how [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► that's the worst thing that happens in [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► Washington State you know a couple of [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► rock'n'roll county administrator on will [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► be for dead people have been for boys [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► and the thing is when they die they're [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► there they take their feet off their [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► brakes and the four Volvo's all creeped [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► into the intersection at the same moment [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► and make a swastika haha [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► that's the worst thing that happens [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► that's and yes mr. and all the other [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► onlookers come by first they're going to [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► they're gonna give him CPR but then they [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► just hit spoofs uh but i'm watching [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► Holocaust documentaries and reading [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► books about the UH now you might think [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► now I'm afraid I am afraid to tell you [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► this but my thing now is the war in [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► Bosnia oh that was bad i'm reading all [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► this stuff about Bosnia and and and so i [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► might I thought my head with this [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► information which is real and then I go [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► out into the world and i'm trying to [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► interact with people who are mad at each [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► other because somebody said somebody you [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► know tweeted about Steubenville Ohio but [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► used the wrong hashtag and I'm thinking [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► right I'm thinking 20 20,000 people were [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► gassed on this day in history it in at [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► Auschwitz 20,000 people today you know [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► like babies you know about how about [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► some about systemized rate in our adult [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► life like that is 1990s yet oh no i mean [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► like both nothing about the systematic [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► part it's like 1994 and that was [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► happening 1994 was happening here this [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► is our this is our link i mean i don't [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► know i mean to sound you know know [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► people walking out of their houses and [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► getting sniped by their next-door [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► neighbors because they are because [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► they're Muslim Bosnians instead of [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► Orthodox Bosnians and I don't know how [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► to contextualize the one whom the one [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► humanity and my present humanity [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► except except in a way that casts the my [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► present humanity the one that I interact [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► with every day in Seattle in a [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► terrifying light like I this was the [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► problem i had when i walked across [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► Europe I is why i was perceiving [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► everyone as a dormant [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► mass killer and I look around my fellow [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► citizens in Seattle and I'm i cannot [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► take away the feeling that everyone here [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► is just waiting to be a bureaucrat in [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► some kind of like a systematic death [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► machine if they are just given if [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► they're just given like twenty percent [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► off on their next Boober ride you know [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► what I mean like oh it's just it just [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► seems like it just seems like the stakes [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► of everything and this is why this is [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► why cause I'm I'm just turning against [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► culture of all kinds on you you wanna [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► get back to the capital C culture [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► because people people are talking people [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► because I wrote that punk rock article [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► that that was based on the conversation [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► that you and I had on our podcast i [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► wrote an article for the Seattle Weekly [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► about punk rock and i took a strident [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► tone i took my typical declarative tone [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► uu inhabited the view point where [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► instead of saying I do not like olives i [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► said i love suck and if you like olives [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► are an idiot's and to me that is the bet [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► is essentially the same as saying is [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► they still became with you guys you guys [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► I do not prefer olives at the end no [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► good essays begin with [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► fuck you if you like olives shut-eye [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► normal i don't mind to maintain when he [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► can make his best looks like what it [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► dear audience [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► fuck you a band this was this or this [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► article within the first two days of it [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► being published was the most read [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► article in the history of the Seattle [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► Weekly and had a hundred and fifty [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► thousand unique views by like x 72 hours [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► bananas and a thousand the lab the last [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► time I heard it a thousand comments and [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► been growing and I was you know I was [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► can I was impressed first of all about [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► about ninety percent of the responses [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► that made their way to me made it [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► updated all the way through to me were [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► positive generally positive like an [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► either [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► yes i agree with you or I disagree with [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► you but it is hilarious [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► good job [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► they were sensible yeah but this ten [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► percent of people who so strongly [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► identified with punk as a concept house [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► a strong so strongly identified [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► themselves in their lives with this with [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► this cultural little beanie cap that you [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► know that they that they basically [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► confirmed every ridiculous bias that I [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► every exaggerated bias that I wrote in [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► my article they confirmed it in spades [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► with their death threats and they're you [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► know they're like uh you suck because [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► your dad had a job comments and you know [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► and like you don't know anything about [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► anything because fuck you you haven't [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► been to my all ages venue in orlando and [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► all this stuff and I'm just like as at [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► as much as my response to it I mean [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► definitely one of the things I realized [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► was maybe if I am seeking a larger [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► audience [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► I should prepare people for for what i [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► consider to be a fairly hilarious [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► declarative style i should give them a [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► little like advanced notice like oh by [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► the way I don't really give a fuck about [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► your thing just an asshole but I feel [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► like that I feel like it but that should [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► be apparent just from the picture just [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► from the picture of me at that they have [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► the head of the article you look at me [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► and you're like oh this guy come on [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► let's look at this asshole but but also [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► I came out the other side feeling like [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► culture really really punk-rock really [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► it's all it's all just this guy's Muslim [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► that guy's Orthodox and it all leads to [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► one thing now in my head which is that [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► one day this this group of skinheads [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► puts that group of skinheads up against [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► the wall [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► I can't get I can't break this this dark [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► feeling about humans and and all of [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► their little all of their little etsy [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► cufflinks and all of their all of the [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► doilies on the backs of their couches [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► and everybody's you know like the effort [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► they put into getting the earwax out and [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► the nose hairs trimmed it all just seems [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► like shaving a pig and I had and so what [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► it is doing is it's putting this [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► distance between me and my books even [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► i'm looking at my books and I'm like mm [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► it's a bunch of self-justification a lot [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► of it a lot of it is just like I think i [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► could put i think i could pull for books [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► out of my shelves that I would take with [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► me you know like Carrie to the next wave [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► and the rest of it is all just it's just [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► people writing for me novels and people [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► people trying to justify what their [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► grandfathers did and a lot of its [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► variations on a theme around i mean i [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► think this especially on the internet [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► with what you're describing here which [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► is that you know they're certainly [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► there's certainly no dearth of rants and [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► different kinds of polemic but and when [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► those when you're pulling when one's [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► polemic reaches people on the other side [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► of the fence it just it usually does [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► lead to just a shouting match regardless [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► of how smart or stupid the polemic was [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► but you know not so far off early [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► etsy cufflinks i think i feel more and [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► more pressure not just me but I mean I [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► think I pressure on people in general [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► want more pressure to serve the audience [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► that you decided to identify with and so [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► and but you but in you writing an [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► alternative weekly taking that tone take [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► some things such a strong point of view [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► on that tone and and not coming at it [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► from you know as an insider or not [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► coming at it from anywhere inside the me [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► who's more inside [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► well you should come I'll ages club in [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► orlando I've been that all ages club in [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► orlando and you [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► what I'm not paying for dollars for a [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► Fanta well a lot of the stuff that i [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► read from people who i like a lot and [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► are really smart and produce something [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► like what you're talking about here [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► do you still taste and I do this all the [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► time anytime I have something with [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► strong point of view i will have an [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► element of you guys to it where I feel [TS]

00:59:39 ◼   ► like I need to say first of all I just [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► want to say yeah I can't do it [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► number 10 I'm just saying though the [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► number two you guys just this seriously [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► and the thing is it doesn't fucking [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► matter you can say all of those things [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► all you want a good editor would cut all [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► of those out and cut straight to the [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► lead which is here what here's what you [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► have to say and people can agree or [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► disagree with that but [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► disagree with that but [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► you know there's no because this is what [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► happened to Galileo he was like I've [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► been reading a been reading Copernicus [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► and i agree with them the Sun revolves [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► around for the Earth revolves around the [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► Sun and mix them up to [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► I had the Sun worth whatever I forget it [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► forget sometimes it seems like the Sun [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► revolves around the earth [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► this is the problem you know he said he [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► said I agree with this guy this was you [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► know this is 50 years ago whatever bye [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► agree with them and he didn't say i was [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► saying that from Galileo's perspectives [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► and I know and and and and he didn't say [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► turn into dick campus you know one of [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► the most talked-about you don't know [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► what you're talking about heliocentrism [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► he said that you ever notice that Peter [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► until he he didn't say you guys guys [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► guys I know what I'm going to say sounds [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► radical and might upset the entire power [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► structure of our heavily religion based [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► society so they pushed him down they [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► push them down and they made him that [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► they really you know they really held [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► his head in the toilet and flushed it a [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► couple of times and said yeah what do [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► you say now what do you say now I mean [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► this is no this is no fun people have [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► been laughing together I'm not laughing [TS]

01:01:09 ◼   ► but people have tisk tisk and shook [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► their heads at Galileo for ever since [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► five hundred years I have been I don't [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► know about you I don't know enough to [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► disk but both just came because he liked [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► usually you know he didn't stand his [TS]

01:01:26 ◼   ► ground get burned at the stake [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► whatever but I but something there's a [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► couple things and I'm trying to teach [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► that you're teasing out here what one is [TS]

01:01:35 ◼   ► this theme of once you have thought a [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► lot about zyklon-b business [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► relationships and the people who [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► supplied the drop them into little mesh [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► tube it's hard to take public zoning [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► meetings that seriously [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► well it's not that it's about public [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► stoning meetings are maybe the thing to [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► take most serial yet property rights and [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► but but i was reading an interesting [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► article the other day that ma and the [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► thing that the thing that dropped out of [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► it the little the little quote the drop [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► document and it was one of these things [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► where the writer had to see [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► he knew he knew that what he was saying [TS]

01:02:14 ◼   ► was going to be breezed over by most [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► readers and so he had to say it three [TS]

01:02:19 ◼   ► times in order to make sure that we got [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► what he was saying but what he was [TS]

01:02:26 ◼   ► saying was that he was kind of [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► paraphrasing oliver wendell holmes and [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► he was saying to the point of democracy [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► is just that we live democratically if [TS]

01:02:40 ◼   ► we are living democratically that then [TS]

01:02:42 ◼   ► democracy has fulfilled its purpose the [TS]

01:02:45 ◼   ► point of democracy is not to create a [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► better society it is not to make sure [TS]

01:02:53 ◼   ► there are no poor it is not to make sure [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► the kids do not go hungry the point of [TS]

01:03:00 ◼   ► democracy is just that we are Democrat [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► that we are democratic and it does not [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► end in mind is the process that [TS]

01:03:10 ◼   ► yeah Primus exactly and we we constantly [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► make we constantly make the mistake of [TS]

01:03:15 ◼   ► thinking on both sides of you know the [TS]

01:03:18 ◼   ► American political spectrum that the [TS]

01:03:20 ◼   ► point of democracy is two is that we [TS]

01:03:24 ◼   ► reach a consensus on all these topics or [TS]

01:03:28 ◼   ► that the middle and everybody gets a [TS]

01:03:29 ◼   ► vote on how we round this off so yeah [TS]

01:03:32 ◼   ► that the majority is going to rule and [TS]

01:03:34 ◼   ► therefore the majority has got to find [TS]

01:03:37 ◼   ► the way to this but to the truth i guess [TS]

01:03:42 ◼   ► and we spend all of our time yelling at [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► each other when really democracy is [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► succeed in and that is the that is it [TS]

01:03:53 ◼   ► the end like democracy is the process [TS]

01:03:56 ◼   ► works there is no other goal and but it [TS]

01:04:04 ◼   ► a different approach than most people [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► would say well yeah and and that then [TS]

01:04:08 ◼   ► that's why you know that's why reading [TS]

01:04:09 ◼   ► and i was like huh [TS]

01:04:11 ◼   ► and-and-and with that in mind [TS]

01:04:15 ◼   ► it feels like all the disputes are [TS]

01:04:21 ◼   ► recapitulation of the same disputes they [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► are all if we know that on one end there [TS]

01:04:31 ◼   ► is democracy and on the other end there [TS]

01:04:32 ◼   ► are death camps and in between there are [TS]

01:04:37 ◼   ► lots of things at stake but it's always [TS]

01:04:42 ◼   ► been hard for me to get down at the [TS]

01:04:44 ◼   ► level of standing out in front of the [TS]

01:04:46 ◼   ► natural food co-op with a with a [TS]

01:04:48 ◼   ► clipboard and stopping people to talk [TS]

01:04:50 ◼   ► about the Clean Air Act i mean i i've [TS]

01:04:54 ◼   ► done it I but it's hard for me to it's [TS]

01:04:58 ◼   ► hard for me to be that invested in that [TS]

01:05:01 ◼   ► level of like this next incremental step [TS]

01:05:05 ◼   ► is really what I'm devoting myself to [TS]

01:05:07 ◼   ► but but I'm having a really hard time [TS]

01:05:13 ◼   ► living out at the living out of the [TS]

01:05:15 ◼   ► fringe to neither neither fringe place [TS]

01:05:21 ◼   ► is very comfortable [TS]

01:05:22 ◼   ► yeah I I feel the same way um you know [TS]

01:05:27 ◼   ► another thing is i guess it's helpful to [TS]

01:05:31 ◼   ► figure out what you know how we're going [TS]

01:05:34 ◼   ► to finally democracy means but the first [TS]

01:05:36 ◼   ► thing comes to mind for me is democracy [TS]

01:05:37 ◼   ► in the same way as being like social [TS]

01:05:38 ◼   ► media in a sense that with social media [TS]

01:05:40 ◼   ► each of us tend to think of it in one [TS]

01:05:44 ◼   ► way or another as publishing we publish [TS]