Roderick on the Line

00:00:00 ◼   ► hello John [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► hi Merlin how's it going good huh [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► get all your stuff done got winded [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► yeah I know gets it gets harder [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► oh he's all over town today yeah tell me [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► about what you do always rolling all [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► over i had meetings that had a lunch [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► meeting I had another meeting you took a [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► lunch meeting i did at lunch but took a [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► lunch meeting i did a TV interview I was [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► over here I was over there son as we [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► record this it is a it is very this is I [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► believe our last episode before the [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► election but cannot be right now I think [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► there's one more isn't next monday still [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► before the election is it you should [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► know that that's why you're way you [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► electioneering today my way here [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► oh yeah yeah a yeah yeah next next [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► monday is we're still still on them on [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► the right side just on the off-chance [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► you to decide on what if you decide to [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► run for City Council i would go ahead [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► and put that on the calendar just so you [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► don't [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► yeah well I feel like it might run for [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► political office would have to be next [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► election but I mean certainly any any [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► listeners are welcome to write me in and [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► maybe maybe we'll find out how [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► far-reaching are our podcast cones two [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► years goes by so we've done this show [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► for like two years now [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► that's right that's right if we had [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► started two years ago maybe I'd be I'd [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► be rounding out my campaign right now [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► yeah I had a political meeting today one [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► of my meetings was political [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► I i would love to hear about I i will [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► tell you privately i'll cut all this out [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► I worry privately that when you are [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► you're you're moving amongst certain [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► corridors of power right now and I worry [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► a little bit that you're saying too much [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► are you okay with everything you're [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► saying well this is the thing I i have [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► increasingly been i've been having a lot [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► of discussions with people and they keep [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► saying like well I mean you know you're [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► certainly a certainly in the running for [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► this or that sort of if not elected [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► job then like politically appointed job [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► you could I could be higher right now in [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► other words in a in a job in a political [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► job eat you could be the recipient of [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► some political largesse some largest [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► that's right i could I could be a member [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► i could get some patronage some [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► political patronage sweet but it but in [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► increasingly it has forced me just like [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► all this involvement in politics the [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► last year has forced me to clarify my [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► feelings and this is the strange thing [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► because you know you want it [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► we always say to one another like we'll [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► just decide what you want to do it like [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► why don't you just tell me what you want [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► that is a very common thing that we say [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► and we and we direct that energy at that [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► kids and teenagers to like what do you [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► want to do with your life [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► just just pick the thing you want to do [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► it and and the actual fact is that a [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► very small number of us know what the [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► fuck we want and the I think the vast [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► majority of us have no idea what we like [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► even let alone we barely barely know [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► what we think we want exactly and the [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► whole really like we have like a 8 a 5 [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► 10 or perhaps thirty-five-year-old idea [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► of what we wanted to and that we dare [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► not actually financially update that [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► were terrified to update to even open [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► the closet door and look at our idea of [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► what we think we want and that's the [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► real you know the more I think about it [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► that's the reason that there are [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► newspapers and websites I mean all these [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► people telling us what we want our but [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► the reason we go to those things is that [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► we're trying to finally read something [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► that explains to us what we want and [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► then I realize all those people writing [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► about writing like these articles about [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► what it is we should want or what is [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► that that they think we should want they [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► don't know what they want either they're [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► just churning out this you know like [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► here's the new thing here's the thing [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► like is this what you want is this what [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► you want and it's all people just trying [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► to decide for themselves what they want [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► nobody has the first idea so i'm looking [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► at all of these I so as I got as i [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► waited into politics and I was [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► confronted with these questions like [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► well our are you going to go with the [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► guy that you said you were gonna go with [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► who is going to lose or are you gonna [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► step into the winner's circle and go [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► with the guy that you don't know that's [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► gonna win and I was like what do i want [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► i feel now I feel bad I felt good a week [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► ago when when everybody who seem to want [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► me [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► but now that i have to make a choice now [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► I feel bad again and as as these options [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► keep piling up and his people are like [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► well you know mr. man that you know the [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► mystery guy in charge was talking about [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► you the other day and he's thinking that [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► you might have an appetizer I'm [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► realizing that whatever it is I have [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► spent my life building it is a thing [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► that I have built precisely so that I [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► would never sell it to somebody for [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► security or power even power right like [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► i do not want to take a job I don't care [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► what job is I don't want someone to give [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► me a job if I wanted someone to give me [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► a job I could have spent the last 20 [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► years training myself to be given a job [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► and instead i have spent that 20 years [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► training myself to never ever ever work [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► for somebody or be given anything and as [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► I as I'm sort of cuddling up to these [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► people and they're cuddling up to me the [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► reason that they're cuddling up to me is [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► that I clearly like I have something [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► interesting that they want [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► a piece up and i don't know i don't [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► think it is so much that i have a [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► constituency because that's unclear to [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► everybody what that is I mean the first [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► thing they want to know it's like how [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► many how many people do you have that [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► would follow you into the breach and I'm [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► like anywhere between for me [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► they put a look and I want to see the [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► camp the night before haha i think is [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► pretty cool what are you holding up your [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► finger is a fake mustache but i think [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► this battle is gonna go pretty great [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► don't you don't you guys hear the odds [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► are on our side for engine court but but [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► but but but a rather what they want is [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► you know I i think what interests these [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► politicians is is exactly the thing that [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► I have been that I've been working on [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► which is a all that I have a voice and [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► the second i took a job would be the [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► beginning of a process of trying to [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► quiet and tame my voice and if if [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► somebody in in politics wants to give me [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► a job as their community outreach [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► liaison or their rock and roll a you [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► know a rock-and-roll United Nations [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► representative or whatever it is [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► immediately there would be somebody said [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► well listen i gotta tone down the [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► supertrain talk because it's kind of [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► scaring some of our some of the people [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► that are you know that are really voting [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► against the zipline project and and and [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► thus would begin the death of me [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► yeah and so I don't know exactly what to [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► do I mean I i I'm honest with myself [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► that I that I like this attention i like [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► being taken out [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► I like the I was driven around today in [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► a car that was piloted by an undercover [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► detective [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► Wow and I was like this is cool like the [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► driver of this vehicle is carrying a gun [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► that their license to use if somebody [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► steps in front of this car we could like [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► turn the sirens all I could also because [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► maybe he and John steps out of line they [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► need somebody with some stopping power [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► yeah I don't think that you know that [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► they'll and starts friendly enough [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► it's nice to get on the writer and you [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► know and they everybody knows that i [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► carry a piece of piano wire in my jacket [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► they're not gonna let me sit behind them [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► driver knowing that I could pull up you [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► hello Carlo how how are you Carlo and [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► that John and his heir sets garage so so [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► so I don't I honestly don't know I don't [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► know how vulnerable i am to being [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► co-opted because when I actually think [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► about what i want you know and this was [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► my mom's council I told you this right [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► that she said you would hate running for [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► office and you would hate being elected [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► and because she walked my dad through [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► half a dozen campaigns and was in [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► politics all through the fifties and [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► sixties and I was like come on who you [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► know like I'm I bring something to the [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► table and she was like bullshit you [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► would get you know you hate powerpoint [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► demonstrations and you think you're [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► going to get up you're going to sit on [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► the City Council do you know that it [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► would be eight hours of PowerPoint [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► demonstrations every day of your life [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► I was like well but I mean I'd be the [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► reform candidate she's like you don't [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► you're here just so far up a tree [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► you don't even know and she said you [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► know yeah sure you're the reform [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► candidate you get in there and you start [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► thinking that you're reforming things [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► and all you're doing is pissing off all [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► the people who spent hours making this [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► PowerPoint demonstration like you're the [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► you're the one that put his feet up on [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► the desk and mimes that your snoring who [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► is going to be impressed by that like [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► everybody's gonna be mad because this is [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► the this is industry [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► nobody's making a diagram to figure out [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► how to get more of that guy [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► no no nobody wants it that you don't [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► need it anymore idea men in here [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► everybody once it when the idea man is [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► out of the picture you know like if you [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► are if you are outside the corral and [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► you're out there throwing pomegranates [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► over the fence every once in a while [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► someone is like know that guy he's [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► hilarious where you know let's bring him [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► in for a second and see what he has to [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► say but but you don't you don't bring [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► your bushel of pomegranates into the [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► corral [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► I mean that's i'm sorry i'm quoting [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► somebody there but I got a I got a [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► strong feeling on this [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► yeah and it's I i have to essentially [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► this is kind of right in your wheelhouse [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► of loss really in my wheelhouse we talk [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► about the work stuff i mean i realize [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► like how much i don't i don't like [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► working for other people not gonna put [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► this here's a big pattern a big pattern [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► is that when somebody gives you what [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► appears to be power or gives you what [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► appears to be largesse or you know [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► anything that feels better than what [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► you've got there figuring out the least [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► amount of effort including money [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► including power including you know [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► square footage the least amount of [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► anything possible to keep you [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► neutralized and then we'll be gender [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► normative but I mean that in the true [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► sense of the word they want to they want [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► to figure out how to something you can [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► still be valuable but think about it [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► like a chessboard [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► I mean you know or think about in terms [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► of like companies and the kinds of [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► acquisitions that they do a lot of times [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► they'll require a company just so nobody [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► else can just Angela vol the party [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► exactly exactly [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► so I see this is relationships to it's [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► always a good question of like you [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► cannot cede power to someone else [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► yea even within even in a couple's [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► relationship you cannot say like I [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► hereby give you the power to have me be [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► in love with you like you you know what [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► I mean you eat you can get any power [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► that you seed to somebody else that you [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► retain well nobody gives anybody enough [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► power that they could choose to unseat [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► them right [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► that's one way to look at it so you know [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► I'm trying to sound cynical about this [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► but it's one reason i have not looked [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► forward to going and having a job with [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► somebody because the job is a way of [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► saying like here's somebody who has [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► certain amount of value to me and I need [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► to give them just enough of something or [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► some things to make it make them need me [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► in some ways and so they want to say [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► neutralize I I you know I you know you [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► you don't want to give you know so i [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► don't know i can't speak to politics but [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► just in terms of jobs i mean people will [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► sell you just these big dreams about how [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► great this thing is going to be and [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► they're all into you for this five [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► minutes or whatever you know and they [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► bring you in and they give you just [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► enough that now so let's say they give [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► you a job with you know let's say [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► somebody gives you a job and offers you [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► $500,000 here or something thats that's [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► most of us would look at and go wow [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► that's really a lot of money sold I'll [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► take it [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► yeah exactly but now you need that job [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► ok you're going to start spending on [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► stuff like we said before you can start [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► spending on $500,000 year basis pretty [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► quickly [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► you're gonna need that job and you know [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► just to get back to whether the [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► godfather of the wire whatever flavor [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► this is at some point you know it's [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► going to be the day of your daughter's [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► wedding and somebody's going to come to [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► you and they're going to want something [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► from you and you're not going to be in a [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► position to say when you hired me [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► because I'm an idea man and a [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► troublemaker and I make fun of [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► PowerPoint well that's not what they [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► brought you in for [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► that's it i'm not saying this is you but [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► that's I suspected to similar impulse [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► that we share where whenever somebody [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► starts talking to big with me i know [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► it's bullshit [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► yeah you know I really admire people who [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► say like hey here's this much money to [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► do this thing that's worth that's really [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► cool or you know I want you to interview [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► me for your website because it'll help [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► sell copies of my book [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► oh my god i love you i love your the [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► honesty of your cynicism instead of [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► going hey man I love you [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► well what's interesting about what you [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► really want you want this thing that [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► I've got and we find what amounts to a [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► proper price for it and then we both [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► move on but I mean the thing is when [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► you're in politics it seems to me that a [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► lot of is about neutralizing people or [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► introducing a fear that they would never [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► think of going to the other guy for [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► example well what what what is appealing [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► about [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► is that is that in politics you are you [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► are offered like the non cynical side of [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► it is that you are offered the [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► opportunity to help in a way that is [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► substantive like all the stuff that we [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► sit around arguing with all the time [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► like how do we deal with the homeless [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► problem the homeless problem is a [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► problem and we can we have the we have [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► the benefit of historical you know the [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► retrospective insight to say like wow [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► that whole decision to close the asylums [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► in 1970 who was ultimately like not a [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► not very well thought out like maybe the [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► Cylons were ripe with the abuse maybe [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► they were terrible environments but we [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► didn't really think what would happen to [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► those people and the rest of us are in a [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► position of what writing angry letters [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► to the editor or getting or maybe like [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► going to public meetings and inch and [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► banging our shoe on the table but the [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► reality is that the homeless problem in [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► san francisco in seattle like massively [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► affect the quality of life in the city [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► it's a massive undertaking to solve it [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► but some of these people bet that are [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► offering me like another there has been [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► no offer but like cultivating me [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► grooming you grooming me they are [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► actually in a position and not just in a [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► position from the standpoint of like I [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► am in the position of power but they are [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► interested in a solution to the homeless [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► problem they are interested in it for [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► the right reasons and they have worked [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► their lives to put themselves into a [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► position where they actually have a shot [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► at trying something new and and the same [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► is true of the schools and the same is [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► true of the of the public transit you [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► know they are not they are not in [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► politics exclusively for cynical reasons [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► they are they actually are interested in [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► these things as i am interested in [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► making a huge difference as i am and [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► they actually are in a position to do it [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► and they could the question for me is [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► like that mean [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► oh at lunch today I spent [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► an hour-and-a-half talking to a guy [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► about sewers power grids a water like [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► water transit homelessness and we're [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► have were carrying on a casual friendly [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► conversation and yet he is ultimately [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► like the person who is in charge of it [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► and I'm like wow [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► uh this is extraordinary both in terms [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► of access but also in truth in terms of [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► opportunity because he knows he's super [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► smart guy and knows that the [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► homelessness problem is not intractable [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► it does have there are solutions and you [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► have to just get it you have to get the [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► ball down the field through that I'm [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► starting to talk like a total asshole [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► have to get down the field and through [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► the goalposts amazing question from [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► their market if you have a test match up [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► tonight I know the rules are rolling [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► star homelessness is like a cricket [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► match homelessness is more of a scrum [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► but you throw one guy up in the air and [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► a rubber buttons you have to run [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► backwards holding a ball that is not [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► shaped like a ball so some fresh ideas [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► so the appeal of it that is just [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► tremendous appeal that it that that like [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► when I think cynically I call power but [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► the reality is that it that that it that [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► these that the the people who are best [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► at this job have an idealism and our [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► idea people ultimately but they're also [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► good at sitting in a meeting and looking [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► I'm not looking bored and the ones that [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► are brilliant at it are good at getting [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► 20 people to agree about something and [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► then they share the credit in such a way [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► that nobody remembers whose idea was [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► everybody feels like it was their idea [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► kinda and-and-and where IM recognizing [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► in myself that my deficits are that i'm [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► not good at that and i get twenty-five [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► people to agree on something [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► oh I'll be goddamned that they don't all [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► feel the the that I chapter their ass or [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► that there [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► you know that they their eyebrows are [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► singed and so and the really gifted [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► people are you know they do it in this [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► jiu-jitsu we're just like i don't i [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► don't even remember that his hand on my [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► wallet but but now I'm like the kind of [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► being ushered out of the room honor on a [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► floating carpet once and it's like [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► you're dancing around this but I'm not [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► trying to say that politics is a con [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► but-but-but-but con a con in general [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► there are cons in every aspect of our [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► life to make something effective in my [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► house it helps a lot to make it seem [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► like it was my idea [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► oh that's dying you know the way that a [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► con works is it's a confidence game [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► that's what a con is if you ask maybe [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► something as a favor [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► they're much more likely to do it for [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► you because now they actually trust you [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► more [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► where the end if well and I think I [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► think we are we have come from an era [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► like politics and and government when we [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► were kids was still a business of being [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► in a in a room with a bunch of people [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► who were trying to match each other [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► highball glass to highball glass and [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► that that small group of men white men [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► all knew where one another's bodies were [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► buried and that was the trust that [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► enabled them to get business time [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► because it was like oh yeah the judge [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► you know the judge i happen to know that [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► the judge likes little boys and so the [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► judge knows i know and i'm going to try [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► and get his approval on this you know [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► this project we're going to tear down [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► the old folks home and build an oil well [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► and the judge is gonna sign off on it [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► and that's how business gets done in [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► America and that's how it was when we [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► were kids and there has been a long and [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► ugly transition but I don't think that's [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► how government gets done anymore [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► certainly local governments Seattle San [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► Francisco like all these cities that [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► have progressive mayor's who are [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► gradually incremental II kind of [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► changing the way business is done [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► it's it's very much less i mean i [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► remember going to vitos restaurant with [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► my dad and him walking down the bar and [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► he knew every guy in the place and it [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► was just like that's you know that's a [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► Superior Court judge that's a US [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► congressman that is a you know that's [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► the publisher of the newspaper and they [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► were all there and they were all [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► drinking together and that doesn't exist [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► anymore right [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► and in place of that there's a lot more [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► transparent e-everybody everybody is [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► just a transparency and ever that down [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► let's get there's a lot more transparent [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► but there's also that I mean like [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► there's also a lot there are a lot fewer [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► cigarettes there are a lot there's a lot [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► less chronic alcoholism and a lot more [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► accountability i guess and i believe I'm [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► starting i'm actually starting to think [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► that progressive politics are making are [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► actually capable of making things it's a [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► hopeful position i just wonder i just [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► wonder if i have the metal for it you [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► definitely have the metal for a certain [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► kind of place in that I mean it would be [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► really nice it would be really over [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► simplified to say that that means you [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► should be an elected official you eat [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► you know there are things that you could [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► do working with elected officials where [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► you could do something really amazing [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► that really taps into the stuff that [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► you're really great at what I i like [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► your point about their there's all kinds [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► of things that we just that the other [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► one that i always think about we talked [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► about this before but like think about [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► all the guys in that room to all the [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► congressmen and the newspaper publisher [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► like there's a pretty good chance they [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► were all in the Army at some point to [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► that's right that's absolutely right now [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► it's not in world war two Korea or [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► Vietnam at least they were probably in [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► the service i'll bet you a majority of [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► the people in that notional bar or [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► meeting or whatever had all been in the [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► service at one point or another which [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► sounds might sound silly to to you know [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► generation facebook but I used to be [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► really meaningful there's a lot of [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► common ground and having [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► on through that together and get his [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► wards and that kind of stuff [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► it's incredibly true and I mean I can't [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► tell you how many times i have sat at a [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► table with those guys while they talked [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► about the war without talking about the [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► war they you know they would sit there [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► and argue and bicker and it would be an [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► and I'd be sitting kind of listening and [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► rolling my eyes and then I would realize [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► they were talking about the war and I [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► hadn't and I didn't get it you know [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► because they were non demonstrative and [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► they weren't actually talking about the [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► war but that is that was the subtext and [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► the and the and the glue the glue that [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► bound them to one another but it [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► separated them from their wives and [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► separated them from everybody else you [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► know it was it was it is it is the [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► exclusive club that we as a culture have [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► spent 40 years trying to dismantle and [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► like like emptying the the asylums we [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► have dismantled it more or less [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► there are still the dick cheney's and [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► their world and surely they're all kinds [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► of places in America that are absolutely [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► still run by the sons of those guys in [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► the same method but looking at Seattle [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► you cannot say any more that just [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► because you are a Nordstrom or even a [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► paul allen that you necessarily have [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► carte blanche because because as a as a [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► culture we have spent 40 years putting [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► in place all these boards and all these [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► referenda and there's you know there is [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► nothing that escapes the attention of of [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► the of the larger people you know and [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► and and for good and out there there was [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► an interesting article about the local [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► schools here and end this the the school [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► that was the lowest crappiest least [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► performing elementary school [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► has just had an incredible bump in their [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► test scores in the last year because [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► they put put in place this renegade [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► principal renegade lady principal who [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► brought with her the novel idea that you [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► should take the underperforming math [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► students and put them in a different [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► group i'm the same classroom but just [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► put them together in a group and put the [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► high-performing math students together [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► in a different group and that that very [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► radical that notion is in is actually [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► incredibly radical because because at [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► education policy over the last 20 plus [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► years has been that that dividing of [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► students like does not help the the bad [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► students or the underperforming students [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► it just excludes them and generally is [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► you know ultimately you can make [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► correlations between that and and [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► economics and it turns out those are all [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► the poor students and the teachers just [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► teaching to the smart students and the [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► poor students just end up getting [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► flushed out but also must depend a lot [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► on the the somewhat obvious thing that [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► gets left out which is that well and I [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► think that phrase from the simpsons uh [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► you know know you're in the brown [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► reading group that you moved in the [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► brown reading group i think that the [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► kind of the Greystone over the years has [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► been that and you're going to get the [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► not very good teacher and the not very [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► good textbooks and a leaky classroom it [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► would be nothing to say we're going to [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► take the kids that aren't doing that [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► create math we're going to put them in [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► and put them in here with our best [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► teacher and they're going to get twenty [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► percent more resources than the best [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► group and I think that's what this [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► principle is doing a but she's really [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► bucking the bucking the trend and there [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► are a lot of people who are kind of [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► rattling the bars saying separating [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► students out [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► is it is you know maybe in a specific [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► instance is fine but in the general in [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► general it is a it is non progressive [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► education policy and one of the [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► interesting things that they quoted this [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► article is that there was this kid who [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► quite naturally when you think about it [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► thought that one-sixth was more than [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► one-fifth like that makes sense right if [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► you have noticed is if no one has [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► explained to you the concept very well [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► you would naturally think 16 was more [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► than 150 and then just as much as like [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► point nine sounds like more than one [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► if you don't get it and so this kid and [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► obviously he also was probably shy or [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► english as a second language or whatever [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► so he doesn't ask he doesn't raise his [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► hand and ask the question he doesn't [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► want to feel done so he's sitting in the [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► class trying to digest all these [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► concepts based on not understanding the [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► fundament of it and across the room [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► you've got a kid like me who wanted the [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► teacher to just shut up please and let [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► me have the book and if you you know if [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► they had on the first day of fifth grade [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► said if you get through this book as [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► fast as you can then we'll give you a [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► harder book to get through on your own [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► as fast as you can and I would've just [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► been like thank you God and would have [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► tore through that 5th grade math book in [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► a in a month you know and why you [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► wouldn't why you wouldn't be able to [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► what why education policy would would [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► try to mandate that those two students [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► be taught at the same speed that is [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► that's the dark underbelly of not to get [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► ping pong of of progressivism you know [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► the the the the force equalization and [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► anyway [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► trying to reform those things those [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► well-intentioned policies are like [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► trying to solve the homeless problem by [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► busing everybody around the town you [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► know or giving them vouchers are trying [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► to treat them in emergency rooms rather [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► than [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► just have some low-income housing built [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► but i also i mean as long as i am [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► assuming I mantle of guy who clearly [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► understands what caused it but doesn't [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► know how to fix it [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► it's very it's very I think it's very [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► common or not unusual in America for [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► people to feel that because we can [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► clearly see the antecedents for why [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► something gotta certain way then we must [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► just as clearly understand how to solve [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► it and the example of Ronald Reagan you [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► know the way I understand it sounds like [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► the way you've heard it which is we [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► decided hey you know how about we just [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► start how about we just start cleaning [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► out all the asylums and we take all [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► these people who have been sitting [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► around you know getting free lithium [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► four years let's put them on the street [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► and just see how that goes [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► and now you got somethin somethin san [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► francisco for example but boy you talk [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► about a hard problem to solve my god [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► homelessness and meet anybody who comes [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► here from you know from Missouri and [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► goes Wow San Francisco really doesn't [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► care about homeless people look at all [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► these homeless people its Sun that is [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► such a complicated problem i would say [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► probably more complicated than the [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► education is like primary school [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► education stuff because there are so [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► many reasons that that problem has [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► gotten to where it is that might be a [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► forty-year-old problem from its main you [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► know antecedent but the what we can do [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► to change about that and why these [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► people are still there it's it is so [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► much more complicated than anybody can [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► even begin to imagine and it's hard to [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► even have that discussion with somebody [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► from out of town here because everybody [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► in town knows that it's not as simple as [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► saying if i give this person five [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► dollars they're gonna put that toward [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► the security deposit [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► yeah I heard the other day that there [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► was a big a big town hall meeting in San [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► Francisco where you have decided that [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► it's no longer okay to just be naked on [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► the street is that true [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► well it's a little bit more sugar and [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► and when he was determined that with [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► within certain i think what I well out [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► working longer be turgid on the street [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► you can no longer if you had a propecia [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► style accident gotta for our pre abscess [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► or whatever it's called and [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► ok so so can I ask you a historical [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► question sure [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► so your dad i remember i think i was in [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► your guest bathroom I was somewhere and [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► I saw your dad's old campaign ads mostly [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► running for back then it's a really cool [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► like it looks like something i would [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► have made in the mid-nineties with [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► clipart yeah it was a clipart a flyer [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► for his I think his first run for the [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► washington state legislature which would [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► have happened in 1948 he was still in [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► law school but your dad was involved in [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► in politics of electr elected in [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► otherwise he was involved in the union's [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► do you have this is this is totally out [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► of nowhere but you have a gut sense of [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► what you're like looking at it from like [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► your dad's point of view like like [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► you're right now you're in a place where [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► you are you've got a good heart about [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► this and you're saying I believe that [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► there is there's hope for progressive [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► politics in a large town like you know [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► with the right people in place in a good [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► heart like you have a sense of what your [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► dad would consider his biggest win in [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► terms of not just not getting elected [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► but like is there something where what [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► was well as well as his big [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► constitutional crisis that where he came [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► out and went wow that that turned out [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► way better than I could give any sense [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► of that you know I'm saying like heeey [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► spent a lot of time it is a lawyer so [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► fucking lawyer for a living and working [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► in for Union guys 44 train companies [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► like what do have a sense of like what [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► felt like a big win to him in his career [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► well i mean i think generally overall [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► the civil rights movement was the big [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► win for everybody of his generation and [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► we don't think of it as a win because it [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► feels like it's so intractable and we're [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► still fighting it all the time but the [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► difference between the world that the [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► difference in the world he grew up in [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► and and the world that he left was from [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► from their standpoint astonishing you [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► know jack Tanner used to tell a story [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► that he got drafted into the Army during [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► the war and he was a very light-skinned [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► black guy what they used to call high [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► yella yeah ATM and photos hehe reads as [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► black guy for sure he reads as black guy [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► as an old as an old man but as a young [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► guy [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► particularly I think he probably conquer [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► his hair and he kind of looked Italian [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► or you know vaguely like Mediterranean [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► or it was unclear and it was obvious to [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► him he got inducted into the army and [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► goes through the whole process here in [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► tacoma and they put him on a train down [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► to georgia or somewhere where he's going [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► to go to boot camp and he's riding on [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► the train and he'll really looks around [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► and he realizes oh she is the only black [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► guy on on the train and he realizes then [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► that this was in an era when you weren't [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► ever the only black guy on the train [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► because you wouldn't be allowed on in [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► the car right and he realizes that [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► unless you're serving drinks right sure [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► if you were if you were if you had white [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► gloves on [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► he realizes that they think he's white [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► and that he's on he's headed to boot [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► camp in Georgia and they think up here [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► right they put him on the train and [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► thinking that he's that he's white and [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► he realizes he's gonna get to Georgia [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► and they're going to know he's not what [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► he's not white and he had this he had to [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► repeat had to think on this train ride [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► like do I try and pass or do I cop and [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► he went and said like hey I think [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► there's been a mistake and got himself [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► reassigned to you know what was still a [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► segregated army to a black company and [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► he ended up being a [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► he was a boat driver and drove what now [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► those do you know the Ducks that we all [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► have in our cities that drive around our [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► coastal our water cities you guys have [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► ducks there right [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► the amphibious and Phineas the duck [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► trucks or whatever he drove one of those [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► like in the big beach landings at [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► Okinawa and you know a late a golf and [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► all this stuff like he was he was a [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► landing craft driver but that is a very [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► you know temp compare that to him [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► 30 years later where he is a federal [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► judge and you know a man of enormous [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► both power and also like held in in [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► pretty high esteem that transition for [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► my dad's generation was like incredibly [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► profound because in 1938 there was not [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► any sense that that that you can make [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► that much progress that fast [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► I think right made my dad's own success [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► was all measured in like he he worked [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► out he you know he was a great conflict [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► resolver and he worked out the [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► relationship between the dock workers [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► and the shipping companies you know on a [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► few different big disputes about how the [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► seattle waterfront was going to work and [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► then one when he went to Alaska and and [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► was the chief counsel for the railroad [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► there he was really instrumental in the [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► implementation of the Native Claims Act [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► and my dad was was for his generation a [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► completely color blind guy and the [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► Alaskan Natives learned to trust him [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► working at the at the at the road I [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► don't know if I've ever told you this [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► but the there's a city called Arctic [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► Circle Alaska and [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► it's a you know it's a native town and [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► they had a like a council or whatever [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► like a town board i guess a town board [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► and they called my dad up and said will [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► you come be the mayor of arctic circle [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► and he went up there and rat ran the [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► town for a while and eventually took my [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► car my 1977 chrysler imperial that he [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► had given me when I was 16 years old he [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► took the car and he drove it all the way [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► up to the Yukon River put it on a barge [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► floating it down the Yukon and gave it [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► to the town and for a while it was there [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► like town the town car I mean they had [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► obviously there were other cars there [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► but this was like the city car right [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► which you know what it would be fine [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► except that he took the car up put it on [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► a barge and set it down the Yukon [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► without emptying the glove box or the [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► trunk of all my shit and without [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► mentioning it to me so I think he's a [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► Trojan one-hitter is it i came home from [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► some trip and I was like where's my car [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► he was like oh I gave it to arctic [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► circle that was like you gave it to the [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► town and he's like yeah they needed a [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► town they need a city car I was like did [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► you get my shit out of it feels like it [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► was their shit in so some somewhere up [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► there they have a couple of cool jackets [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► of mine and i think i had i think i had [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► some kind of golf clubs who knows what [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► was in the car but there's no weed in [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► Oh probably probably I mean that would [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► have doubted that probably gone over [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► like gangbusters with the administration [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► of Arctic Circle Alaska but so my dad [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► was a guy that you know the guy that [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► everybody trusted and he was a guy that [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► women not everybody trusted input like [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► he was a he was a particularly I mean [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► both my mom and dad work were colorblind [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► people in an era before that was common [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► outside of kind of the Quaker like that [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► Quaker vibe of the Northeast where [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► people are hyper color blind to the [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► point that you almost don't believe them [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► but they were just natively that way [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► just naturally like judge people on [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► their on the look in their eye my sister [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► inherited that from them too [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► I'm you know I'm much more and much of [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► more of a hard case than anybody any of [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► the any of my people in terms of just [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► accepting everybody assuming the best of [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► everyone first you know I I walk into a [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► situation just like the Italian guy and [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► a good over here [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► hey Irish guy come here but but yeah my [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► folks were never like that [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► did he ever end up getting elected to a [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► a regular you know electoral publicly [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► voted thing [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► well he was so state legislature for for [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► a couple terms on the late forties early [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► fifties and then he he was the darling [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► of the of the Democratic Party in [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► washington state in the fifties and [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► their era parents but he drank too much [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► and then he went to work for Kennedy and [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► he was Kennedy's advance man through the [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► 60 campaign and 60 now shit so he [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► traveled ahead of the Kennedy campaign [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► my dad was in you know Kennedy would be [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► in chicago on thursday and my dad would [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► have gotten there on tuesday and said [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► here's where the president's going to [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► stand [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► here's who he's yeah he's gonna shake [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► your hand and he's going to move over [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► here and you those doors need to be [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► closed and these hotel rooms need to be [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► blocked off and then so my dad kept [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► leapfrogging ahead of the campaign [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► squaring away the local Democrats [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► explaining how it was going to run and [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► you know being his kind of guy leading [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► the that the you know the events across [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► the country and the presumption and I i [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► I'm I'm imposing all this from way in [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► the future but i would think that [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► someone in that position would then have [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► a role in the new administration [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► yeah almost always right that's where [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► that largesse comes in is you get some [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► kind of an appointment right that's [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► right but my dad was mb throes of his [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► alcoholism at the time and drank himself [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► into a situation this is all very this [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► is all referred to in my family in this [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► very ghazi language where I tried and [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► tried and tried i confronted people i [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► SAT people down and said what happened [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► exactly [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► it's just one of the rare places where [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► the language just gets all weird and [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► everybody nobody even my mom who has [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► nothing to hide or whatever it just all [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► gets very confusing but my dad sat down [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► in a bar with a reporter from The [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► Washington Post and said some candid [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► things about Bobby Kennedy that while he [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► was drunk that were meant to be taken [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► off the record shit who knows exactly [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► what it was but some event some moment [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► in time and you know the Kennedys were [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► very you know that Bobby and Jack really [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► circled the wagons and they were like [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► everybody in that position and in that [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► Aris hyper paranoid bobby was hyper [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► paranoid [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► and you know you just get one chance to [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► fuck up right and whatever happened he [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► my dad came home from the campaign and [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► then that was over and there was no it [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► did not translate into him going to work [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► for Kennedy and in the process [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► his is good friend and patron Warren [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► magnuson who was a long time governor of [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► the state of Washington who had kind of [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► been again grooming my dad for some kind [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► of appointment like all of that got kind [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► of hazy and there was all of a sudden in [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► 1960 this meteoric rise where people [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► were talking about him as you know [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► senate candidate or he was going to get [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► appointed to the bench or something even [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► he was you know a comet in the [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► Democratic Party through the fifties and [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► then post that post Kennedy post 1960 [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► all the sudden he's like the family [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► story changes and now he's practicing [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► law in Seattle and he's they moved out [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► to the country and got a house on the [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► water somewhere and my mom and dad were [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► out there trying to give you like a [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► straight story on that nada and and i [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► said to my dad toward the end of his [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► life I was like listen you gotta tell me [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► what went down because I'm because i [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► don't want to because you're the last [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► one that knows like right tanner is gone [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► the whole that whole job Bernie TV is [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► like out in the out in the weeds [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► no one's going to give me a straight [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► answer if you don't and at that point [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► right and right toward the end my dad [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► was like started to get a little bit [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► haha he started to stonewall me on some [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► things and he said I don't know what the [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► fuck you're talking about and I said [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► what happened in nineteen sixty and he [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► said nothing nothing fucking happened [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► and you know and he looked he looked [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► hurt and i didn't i didn't wanna press I [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► didn't want to press course not and it [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► was just like I don't know I I'm never [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► going to know if my mom won't tell me [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► and my dad wouldn't tell me and [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► everything through and and and honestly [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► I think it might be as simple as nobody [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► knows he might have just gone out [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► sitting in a bar and said something in [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► the window in the Roderick style like [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► yeah Bobby Kennedy what an asshole [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► United just said something [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► candid that everybody already kind of [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► knew Outen fidelity maybe the guy i mean [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► i think i think it's pretty gosh how [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► close to like everybody knowing it could [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► that be that young lady with everyone [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► tomcat everybody knew that hit his [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► famous story about bobby was everywhere [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► for all they know it's too late now the [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► Kennedys can't fucking touch me [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► what are you gonna do what are you gonna [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► do you'd be a mixed what along I watched [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► have a JFK today and I'm pretty fucking [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► scared [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► what's gonna happen is is rose gonna [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► rise up from the grave and stabbed in [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► the eye [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► they're all gone like Carolyn I'm not [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► afraid of Carolyn you've never been [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► afraid of Caroline Kennedy fucking take [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► Caroline Kennedy know the story the [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► story was they were in a hotel somewhere [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► in like somewhere in the Midwest and [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► it's a it's the you know it's the big [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► it's the Davenports or whatever it's the [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► big hotel in the center of town and and [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► jack is upstairs in the in the [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► presidential suite having a big meeting [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► with all of his his advisors and you [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► know of course the that whole floor is [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► blocked off their their state troopers [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► standing at the elevator [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► their Secret Service standing outside [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► the door and Bobby comes up the elevator [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► and my dad is there is the first hand [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► experience [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► Bobby comes up the elevator he walks [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► down the hall tries the door knob of the [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► room and finds it locked and rather than [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► knock or turn to the Secret Service guys [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► standing on either side of the door [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► Bobby takes a step back and puts his [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► foot through the door and kicks open the [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► window breaks the lock clicks open the [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► double doors of the sub the sweet to the [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► room and says why the fuck was this door [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► locked the principle being that Bobby [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► Kennedy is never on the wrong side of a [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► locked door where his brother is on the [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► other side food and that I mean my dad [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► having seen a lot of shit that was [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► particularly impressive to him and to [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► everyone in the room and you know and [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► and and Jack waved it off but imagine [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► the entitlement of a guy and also like [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► like the ruthlessness of somebody who's [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► first instinct is to kick the door down [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► yeah like only a brother you know what I [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► mean like before he knocked even rattle [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► the knob just took one step back and [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► boom wingtip on it onto the lock and so [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► you know i think that that particularly [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► before Bobby became attorney general [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► when it was just a campaign and [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► everybody was like who's the kid you [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► know who this [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► how was he 38 and how it was Bobby [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► during the during the campaign we have [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► still in his thirties that type of thing [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► you know I'm i can i can see my dad in a [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► in the in the hotel bar downstairs going [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► like you won't believe this guy [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► and somebody you know two booths over [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► over here is it and who who knows i'll [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► never know is the thing i'll never know [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► why why there was this this watershed [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► moment in my dad's career where he went [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► from heir apparent to you know he will [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► it's not like he was it was it was like [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► you know you're out tom right and and [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► and Tom's like but I can do you think I [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► can help out tom [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► you're out and then the decisions made [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► and it you know dad was always he was [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► always on friendly terms with with it [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► with that whole generation and you know [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► his good friend broc adams was appointed [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► Secretary of Transportation and a whole [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► handful of his friends went up to the [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► federal bench if it's such a big [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► difference between being welcomed in the [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► sanctum sanctorum vs not needing to be [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► welcomed there because they belong there [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► all the difference that never a one [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► thing I realized as growing up there was [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► that it never happens there's always a [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► inner door right Brendan broc adams has [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► to knock on the door to get into the you [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► know he's a fucking member of the [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► cabinet right but like it you get it you [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► see it in the west wing and that's what [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► one of the things that made that show so [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► good like the vice president of the [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► United States is constantly pissed off [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► about his access to the President and [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► like sucking his thumb over in the [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► executive office building because you [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► know because he has to call to get in to [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► see the president just like there's no [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► you're always always gets me waiting in [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► the lobby exactly like and I thought I I [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► probably told you that story with that [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► we did we opened for keen for [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► two-and-a-half months you know a few [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► years ago and the Keen the band are [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► brilliant to us and you know wonderful [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► wonderful people but they have hired a [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► staff of people [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► and part of the job of that staff is [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► precisely to tell us the opening band [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► not to step on any of Keynes cables and [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► you hear hears that we have put some [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► tape on the floor on the stage and you [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► need to be within that tape and don't [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► touch anything and you get you get to [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► choose one color for your lights because [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► we are not going to use our lights on [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► you so you could write an e-book just on [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► being the opening act that big color [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► make it good and we're like okay I guess [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► I guess white and they're like fine [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► done boom white and so we would walk on [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► stage of what the white lights would [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► come on and we'd be like standing inside [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► the line and we were out there for two [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► and the thing is that the band you know [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► the band is oblivious to it but this is [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► show business so they have a that they [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► pay people so they can get with it [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► that's right and you can absolutely tell [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► that they know that they're the at the [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► monitor desk there were you know there [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► were six power amps and they only turned [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► on three of them for our chef set and [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► then they turn on the other three and [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► and all of a sudden the sound comes [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► alive for the headliner and that's [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► common business so all these months were [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► out opening for kina were just standing [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► inside this little box and then at the [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► end of the tour the guys in King were [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► like hey we're opening for you to at [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► madison square garden would you like to [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► come to the show and I was like yes I [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► would [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► they said great you know fly out to New [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► York and and we'll put you up and we [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► just want you there is our guests [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► this is a big deal with you know you two [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► is playing five sold-out nights and [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► madison square garden and we're opening [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► for them we want you to be there like [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► about standing in a box [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► I was like how amazing and i get to the [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► show and it's absolutely right areas in [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► this band that i thought was like the [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► absolute peak of you mean they were [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► selling tens of thousands of Records a [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► week at that time all around the world [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► and here they are standing in a box with [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► one color of light and all around them [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► is all of you twos gear covered with [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► covered with black blankets and you [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► could just hear the state the YouTube [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► stage manager saying listen if you step [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► outside of these lines [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► we're going to electrocute you [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► we're going to work we're hiding behind [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► the drum riser with tazers if you move [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► an inch and they're just like and i'm [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► watching I'm like you're always fucking [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► opening for somebody there is somebody I [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► don't know if it's Kofi Anan or who it [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► is but there's somebody that you too has [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► to wait in the greenroom until what [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► until basically until the president the [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► united states walks past right there's [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► there's nobody that the president of the [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► United States has to wait for right but [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► everybody else there's always somebody [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► else that's like sorry we need to [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► we're gonna have to bring some rope off [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► this area for no reason except to keep [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► you on the other side of the rope-like [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► even warren buffett probably has that [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► there's there's some moment in time when [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► somebody puts a rope around him [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► let's imagine for a minute that in [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► nineteen sixty i mean i-i ii don't know [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► a whole lot about it but it [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► I bet next to dad next to gel i bet John [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► you exactly where he stood [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► he ordered all to his dad [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► I mean this is not this is not [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► conspiracy theory [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► I mean that's how he got elected with [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► his dad [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► well but think about think about the [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► same he's that he's the fucking [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► president there is no there is no into [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► your pal Bobby there is no attorney [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► general feature attorney-general sweet [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► there is a presidential suite but even [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► then like you know it's like you know I [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► yes I can because it's frank sinatra [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► says I can like in that instance like [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► well yeah I'm gonna be present because [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► my dad's working it out [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► well you have to join that Joe had Jones [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► suffered so many humiliations by that [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► point like he got his kid elected but he [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► himself was largely discredited as a [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► nazi apologist and i right [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► you know like he didn't email he made a [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► lot of enemies without making a [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► commensurate number of friends right [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► yeah yeah but when you think about the [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► burden the jack add his older brother [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► was supposed to be President his healthy [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► Hale and Hardy older brother right jack [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► was supposed to just be the like the [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► callow playboy the city kids he's the [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► secrecy the kid that's right i mean he I [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► don't think I don't think Jack would [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► have been Attorney General [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► his brother had been elected president [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► but his brother was killed in a suicide [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► mission that dumbass plane that dumbass [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► bomb-laden plane exploded over the [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► channel i had never seen this very [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► lovely obituary in the paper for your [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► dad few years ago [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► it's really nice you're quoted in it [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► it's a it's a lovely i mix and commonly [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► well-written obituary by modern [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► standards for your former legislator [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► David Roderick 86 [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► yeah he you know he it is his funeral I [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► still think about his funeral I still [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► wish i had done a better job at his [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► funeral of for whatever reason in that [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► moment I didn't feel like I could make a [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► speech and when I think about it now my [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► dad's whole life was about making a [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► speech and he never once was in an event [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► like that where somebody where the room [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► look to him and said you make a speech [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► where he didn't stand up and say and and [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► and you know a tap is glass was for can [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► say I just like to say on behalf of all [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► of my esteemed colleagues at the guest [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► of honor sitting on the dais is the son [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► of a bitch and regular haha rawr rawr [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► rawr rawr rock you know like my dad [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► never missed a chance at us today that's [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► a tough day there John [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► I was the air and that's and that's a [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► semiotic you could be forgiven for yeah [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► not having the best day ever had that [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► day I don't beat myself up too badly but [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► I but you know my uncle jack helped me [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► rent the main room of the Washington [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► athletic club where he transacted so [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► many of his his spilled drink you know [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► men's clubs lobby [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► Dayton's and like all the rock stars are [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► there the Seattle the young people are [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► all there supporting me right so it's a [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► room full of of of rock luminaries and [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► then they start filing in these little [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► all [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► all [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► men and the room fills up with these [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► little old dudes these and these little [TS]

01:00:04 ◼   ► little like 88 year old Japanese guys [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► and these little 88 year old black guys [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► in these little 88-year old Chinese guys [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► and these little 88-year old Italian [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► guys Jewish guys and all these it's like [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► a fucking Bennett on a diff such a thing [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► existed in 1940 and there and ye and I [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► start walking around and talking to them [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► like high you know [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► hey how do you do I'm John Roderick and [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► they're like oh yeah your dad was a real [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► son-of-a-bitch and I go yeah he was and [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► they're like well I've got a little [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► speech here and I said well you know how [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► it be you know by all means like make a [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► speech and they're like well wait I'll [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► wait until the you know till the [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► speeches start and I never started the [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► speeches i didn't get up at the lectern [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► and say we're gathered here today to [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► remember this old son-of-a-bitch because [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► there was a student there would have [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► been 15 guys walk up and say he used to [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► be such a son of a bitch like they were [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► all dying to do it and I never started [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► it and you know my brother my brother [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► was playing the piano over here there [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► was there was a trim cocktail over here [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► there was you know there are people [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► walking around in tuxedos with silver [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► trays and I and I'm standing there in [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► his suit I'm wearing his old three-piece [TS]

01:01:31 ◼   ► suit and I couldn't I couldn't stand up [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► and say let me tell you a story about [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► this pain-in-the-ass that was my dad and [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► little but you know where we were there [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► all afternoon [TS]

01:01:49 ◼   ► nobody got up and did it because it was [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► my job to do it even though I have two [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► older brothers and there were 25 people [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► there that that probably if you if you [TS]

01:02:00 ◼   ► rank them by you know by precedence or [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► whatever like but obviously feel like it [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► should have been your job well obviously [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► it was because for what [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► ever reason like in that moment it was I [TS]

01:02:18 ◼   ► was clearly being recognized as the new [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► patriarch and this was the this was a [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► very weird experience for me at the time [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► because there are a lot of people in my [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► family and a lot of other people who [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► should who were waiting for my dad to [TS]

01:02:35 ◼   ► die basically so that they could be the [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► old man and the energy in the family and [TS]

01:02:42 ◼   ► in the room was that [TS]

01:02:45 ◼   ► Oh in fact that had leapfrogged all [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► those people and now it was me and I was [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► like I'm not anywhere close to being [TS]

01:02:54 ◼   ► ready to be the patriarch I'm i am NOT [TS]

01:02:59 ◼   ► him yet and and yet it was decided it [TS]

01:03:05 ◼   ► was decided unconsciously by the tribe [TS]

01:03:07 ◼   ► and so I just kind of just stood there [TS]

01:03:12 ◼   ► and and you know I talk to every single [TS]

01:03:15 ◼   ► one of those people but like I didn't I [TS]

01:03:18 ◼   ► didn't make the speech and I didn't let [TS]

01:03:20 ◼   ► them make the speech I didn't give them [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► a possible permission to make the speech [TS]

01:03:25 ◼   ► and so we had a we had a lovely party [TS]

01:03:28 ◼   ► for him that was six hours long and [TS]

01:03:30 ◼   ► nobody made a single fucking speech and [TS]

01:03:34 ◼   ► to whatever degree I feel like my dad [TS]

01:03:38 ◼   ► watches over me I feel like he's also [TS]

01:03:41 ◼   ► may be trapped in purgatory until I make [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► a goddamn speech about it i think he [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► just did until it stand up in some hotel [TS]

01:03:51 ◼   ► lobby and say you did a pretty good job [TS]

01:03:52 ◼   ► just know this guy [TS]

01:03:54 ◼   ► well it was nice because we had another [TS]

01:03:57 ◼   ► uniform in Alaska and my uncle who does [TS]

01:04:00 ◼   ► not who does not accept my authority [TS]

01:04:03 ◼   ► uncle Jack who does not recognize my [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► authority as the new patriarch girls are [TS]

01:04:07 ◼   ► different in the plants kept very much [TS]

01:04:09 ◼   ► feels and rightly so that he is that he [TS]

01:04:11 ◼   ► is the last uh last Apache he said [TS]

01:04:15 ◼   ► what's or stand around there and that [TS]

01:04:17 ◼   ► was an amazing funeral the [TS]

01:04:19 ◼   ► there were was a former governor their [TS]

01:04:21 ◼   ► former senator there who had not spoken [TS]

01:04:24 ◼   ► to each other in 20 years and that the [TS]

01:04:27 ◼   ► obituary in the Alaska paper [TS]

01:04:29 ◼   ► well the headline of the obituary was [TS]

01:04:32 ◼   ► ted stevens and Tony knowles make up [TS]

01:04:38 ◼   ► their 20-year feud and Dave Roberts [TS]

01:04:40 ◼   ► Funeral like the it resolved there that [TS]

01:04:45 ◼   ► like 20 years of not speaking to each [TS]

01:04:47 ◼   ► other but at that event my uncle Jack [TS]

01:04:49 ◼   ► walked into the center of the room and [TS]

01:04:51 ◼   ► he said alright you sons of bitches [TS]

01:04:52 ◼   ► let's hear it let's hear your stories [TS]

01:04:56 ◼   ► about this old son-of-a-bitch and that [TS]

01:05:00 ◼   ► then everybody went crazy I mean that [TS]

01:05:01 ◼   ► was that was very fun that was the day I [TS]

01:05:03 ◼   ► met sarah palin really yeah she was here [TS]

01:05:07 ◼   ► she did not go to my dad's funeral but [TS]

01:05:09 ◼   ► she was down the hall at a alaska state [TS]

01:05:13 ◼   ► Republican fundraising convention was [TS]

01:05:16 ◼   ► before she she was governor but it was [TS]

01:05:20 ◼   ► before she had been tapped to be the [TS]

01:05:22 ◼   ► vice president and all my friends that [TS]

01:05:26 ◼   ► came to my dance room were like have you [TS]

01:05:27 ◼   ► seen our governor have you seen Alaska's [TS]

01:05:31 ◼   ► governor and I was like I don't think so [TS]

01:05:33 ◼   ► no they were like dude sexy sexy to [TS]

01:05:36 ◼   ► chill [TS]

01:05:37 ◼   ► she's the hottest governor of all 50 [TS]

01:05:39 ◼   ► governor's I was like amazing really [TS]

01:05:42 ◼   ► they're like yeah dude i said but isn't [TS]

01:05:44 ◼   ► she a Republican you have it doesn't [TS]

01:05:46 ◼   ► matter huge she's fucking hot [TS]

01:05:48 ◼   ► she's a hot governor did that's [TS]

01:05:51 ◼   ► basically my Alaska friend impression so [TS]

01:05:57 ◼   ► hot man she was pretty hard she was [TS]

01:06:00 ◼   ► pretty hot now she really was not so hot [TS]

01:06:03 ◼   ► anymore now that I know more standby [TS]

01:06:05 ◼   ► sexxxy Peggy Hill [TS]

01:06:08 ◼   ► the throne with that is it wrong for me [TS]

01:06:10 ◼   ► to feel like the only redeeming quality [TS]

01:06:14 ◼   ► of family guy is that the mom is hot and [TS]

01:06:18 ◼   ► that i find her really hot [TS]

01:06:21 ◼   ► no no it's wrong it's wrong with your [TS]

01:06:22 ◼   ► confusing family guy in king of the hill [TS]

01:06:24 ◼   ► but I but no you totally i have so many [TS]

01:06:27 ◼   ► friends that just cannot even stand to [TS]

01:06:28 ◼   ► watch family kind well no it's the worst [TS]

01:06:31 ◼   ► television show in the world in minutes [TS]

01:06:33 ◼   ► it's evidence of our our decline takes [TS]

01:06:36 ◼   ► and that the mom [TS]

01:06:38 ◼   ► the redheaded mom she seemed real perky [TS]

01:06:41 ◼   ► it's just like I don't know what it is [TS]

01:06:43 ◼   ► you can tell that she's a dangerous [TS]

01:06:45 ◼   ► actor you know you you can just tell [TS]

01:06:48 ◼   ► no no no no I'm just saying that like [TS]

01:06:51 ◼   ► you know in the rightness on seen or [TS]

01:06:54 ◼   ► talked about the character a lot of time [TS]

01:06:56 ◼   ► with the cartoon character yeah the [TS]

01:06:57 ◼   ► carrot cartoon character right yeah like [TS]

01:07:00 ◼   ► in a way that Betty Rubble should have [TS]

01:07:03 ◼   ► been hotter but there wasn't that danger [TS]

01:07:07 ◼   ► she didn't have that element of danger [TS]

01:07:08 ◼   ► in the way that what well what's your [TS]

01:07:13 ◼   ► fucking elephant what's a at ted baker [TS]

01:07:17 ◼   ► patty deafen yeah I think that's the [TS]

01:07:19 ◼   ► country so this country singer I think [TS]

01:07:21 ◼   ► of you make that mistake a lot [TS]

01:07:23 ◼   ► yeah but very hot you know like that [TS]

01:07:25 ◼   ► that the there's only a couple of times [TS]

01:07:27 ◼   ► I've ever gone on the internet and [TS]

01:07:29 ◼   ► googled rule 34 like rule 34 Trix rabbit [TS]

01:07:36 ◼   ► or whatever it is that you want to see [TS]

01:07:39 ◼   ► rule 34 word you're saying that that's [TS]

01:07:42 ◼   ► that's the rule that says that there is [TS]

01:07:43 ◼   ► going to be a girl version of things [TS]

01:07:46 ◼   ► rule 34 as i understand it is that if [TS]

01:07:49 ◼   ► you can think of it [TS]

01:07:50 ◼   ► someone has made porn about it oh so if [TS]

01:07:54 ◼   ► you google it was that a real 30 i [TS]

01:07:56 ◼   ► thought that was that Eddie Vetter had [TS]

01:07:57 ◼   ► covered it haha i had this so i was on [TS]

01:08:01 ◼   ► Todd berries podcast and listen to it [TS]

01:08:03 ◼   ► and I is a microphone [TS]

01:08:06 ◼   ► oh yeah todd has bad microphones all he [TS]

01:08:09 ◼   ► was but it was it was charming part III [TS]

01:08:11 ◼   ► listen to listen to almost all of it and [TS]

01:08:14 ◼   ► I'm gonna listen to the whole thing that [TS]

01:08:15 ◼   ► he sounds like a very very nice guy [TS]

01:08:17 ◼   ► yeah I like him a lot seems very [TS]

01:08:19 ◼   ► down-to-earth well I wouldn't say that [TS]

01:08:21 ◼   ► ok he lives here uniglobe right up but [TS]

01:08:26 ◼   ► he he at one point I said something [TS]

01:08:28 ◼   ► about about Pearl Jam and I got an email [TS]

01:08:32 ◼   ► the other day from the music editor of [TS]

01:08:34 ◼   ► the LA Weekly who said hey I i thought [TS]

01:08:39 ◼   ► what you said about program in the top [TS]

01:08:42 ◼   ► very podcast was really hilarious [TS]

01:08:44 ◼   ► would you mind if we just transcribed it [TS]

01:08:46 ◼   ► and used it at in our article about the [TS]

01:08:51 ◼   ► upcoming programs shows in LA and i said [TS]

01:08:56 ◼   ► i don't remember i replied i do not [TS]

01:08:58 ◼   ► remember what I said but i am now having [TS]

01:09:01 ◼   ► written the punk rock is bullshit [TS]

01:09:03 ◼   ► article and spent like four weeks [TS]

01:09:06 ◼   ► getting 40 hate mails a day from from [TS]

01:09:10 ◼   ► people who run youth Center's I am NOT [TS]

01:09:14 ◼   ► therapy very cautious about saying [TS]

01:09:20 ◼   ► something sold out by saying that used [TS]

01:09:23 ◼   ► to be really big thing if you look I [TS]

01:09:27 ◼   ► don't want to say something about Pearl [TS]

01:09:30 ◼   ► Jam that might even slightly be [TS]

01:09:33 ◼   ► construed as aunty pearl jam quoted out [TS]

01:09:37 ◼   ► of context quoted out of context because [TS]

01:09:40 ◼   ► I just don't I don't ever want to get a [TS]

01:09:42 ◼   ► delusion of like rabid hate mail again [TS]

01:09:47 ◼   ► not you know I i retract nothing but I [TS]

01:09:53 ◼   ► just don't want to instead I don't want [TS]

01:09:55 ◼   ► to encourage people who are crazy to see [TS]

01:09:59 ◼   ► me as a target and the LA Weekly was [TS]

01:10:03 ◼   ► like oh no you don't say anything bad [TS]

01:10:06 ◼   ► about program I mean you just talk about [TS]

01:10:08 ◼   ► how they were like a jock frat funk band [TS]

01:10:12 ◼   ► haha [TS]

01:10:16 ◼   ► and I said you don't think that that [TS]

01:10:19 ◼   ► would make anybody mad in the pearls and [TS]

01:10:23 ◼   ► family and then it was not it was just a [TS]

01:10:26 ◼   ► day ago or so that they Roderick on the [TS]

01:10:29 ◼   ► line listener was just tweeted something [TS]

01:10:32 ◼   ► to the effect that he was still mad at [TS]

01:10:34 ◼   ► you and me for having said something bad [TS]

01:10:37 ◼   ► about protein and so we've ever said [TS]

01:10:39 ◼   ► anything bad about Pearl Jam know [TS]

01:10:41 ◼   ► there's nothing bad to say about program [TS]

01:10:43 ◼   ► but i think i might have spoken about [TS]

01:10:44 ◼   ► Pearl Jam in a way all the shit we said [TS]

01:10:47 ◼   ► how how could you listen to show more [TS]

01:10:50 ◼   ► than two or three times and think the [TS]

01:10:51 ◼   ► worst thing we've ever had to say was [TS]

01:10:52 ◼   ► about fucking pearl chances what I'm [TS]

01:10:54 ◼   ► saying they're on your friends with [TS]

01:10:55 ◼   ► pearl jam I think pearl jam is fine [TS]

01:10:57 ◼   ► there are people who seem probably nice [TS]

01:11:00 ◼   ► mad at us for having spoken ill of bruce [TS]

01:11:04 ◼   ► springsteen and that was just me I I [TS]

01:11:06 ◼   ► don't know anything about is all you [TS]

01:11:08 ◼   ► entirely of that and and yet they're so [TS]

01:11:11 ◼   ► mad they probably won't even tweet about [TS]

01:11:12 ◼   ► it which is like invited by modern [TS]

01:11:15 ◼   ► standards as matters which everybody we [TS]

01:11:17 ◼   ► get that mad so mad that we're not even [TS]

01:11:25 ◼   ► going to give it I can't do it [TS]