Roderick on the Line

00:00:00 ◼   ► hello hey John I Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► oh it's so early yeah it's really early [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► it's early i I've never seen you use [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► your phone so early [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► I don't think well they say sick I i am [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► sick [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► god I have a kind of sickness that is [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► that is a drug sickness who i am on my [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► third day of caffeine withdrawal [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► oh my god and hear the real girl and I [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► oh no i woke up at seven in the morning [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► with shippers and I feel like I was in a [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► car wreck [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► I feel like I feel like I rolled a car [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► that's at every every muscle and joint [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► in my body [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► it's like really really protesting oh my [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► goodness this is you sure you're up for [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► no yeah my god you know I like to I like [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► to get into the center of the pain [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► explore all I am I am the I'm the the [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► seven blind men describing an elephant [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► and pain [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► Wow uh so when was the last time you [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► quit caffeine just cold turkey [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► well um my gosh i have i've tried to cut [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► down but net I it's been awhile since I [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► just said I'm not going to have any [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► caffeine at all this morning [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► yeah and I its [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► I've done in the past and its really [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► hard and a little crazy [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► are you feeling any psychological [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► effects oh yes oh very irritated i am [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► very irritated [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► it's the thing is it's a i like it so [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► well documented i guess but there are [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► all kinds of effects you know it's gonna [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► be with caffeine to begin with even on [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► the best day is a balance even when you [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► go pro still got you have good days and [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► bad days and what's what's funny to me [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► about caffeine is the like the effects [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► of having too much coffee can be kind of [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► similar to the effects of having no [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► coffee but minus the energy like [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► irritability little bit little bit of a [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► headache [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah well let me bit you know [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► I'm a caffeine ranger and I i use [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► caffeine to explore all the universes [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► and I i have quit a few times over the [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► years and I and I know what's in store [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► you know when I say like okay like i've [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► got i've been to the edge and I steps [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► student look down and I need to cut it i [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► need to cut it out and I and i know i'm [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► looking forward to like a solid three [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► days of gotten it out and each day has [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► its phases and the you'd you would think [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► that by the third day it would be [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► tapering off but really the third days [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► the is the toughest one for me and then [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► on day four like you you you walk out [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► into the clear like you're right you're [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► out into the day again but but i don't [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► know whether it's my age or whether i [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► was using come i was using a well over [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► the prescribed dosages of of Captain for [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► a long time but I fucked really woke up [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► this morning [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► in a title match with with my nerve [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► ending this but I'm laughing but I'm so [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► sorry I I know what you're talking about [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► I mean there's a reason that excedrin [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► puts caffeine in with the aspirin in [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► that that's what they recommend when you [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► got a migraine because i think it fits [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► your capillaries or whatever but it's it [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► it definitely can help you get rid of a [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► headache and if you don't have it as [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► little fella just close right up [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► yeah yeah whoo so can we explore this a [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► little bit you pulled up your [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► three-legged stool [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► yeah absolutely you're sitting in the [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► center of it all the lights are on [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► oh how well so this caffeine withdrawal [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► is a part it's a component of a larger [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► project a larger three-day project which [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► is that I am honored choose fast thing [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► which i find ridiculous on its pace [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► through the tickets have you been really [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► Family Circle no wednesday was never [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► about that even the limit is the lemon [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► juice recoup alot i have no idea why I'm [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► doing it [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► what the point of it is but it was [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► suggested to me and I said oh sure i can [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► do a three day juice fast once i love [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► juice unless I mean let's just let's [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► start with an obvious one you you're [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► working on your body you got some body [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► work and and you enjoy a challenge [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► that's right you're not against juice [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► no I dived i was reading it i was [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► reading Martha Stewart's living about [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► all the healthy juices that you can make [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► from your from your orchards and I i own [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► a juicer because at one point of the [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► long winters did did some some extensive [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► touring with the band keen and they [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► always had a juicer in there backstage [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► area and we would get we would get off [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► of these like long brutal drives across [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► Europe and we would roll into these [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► stadium shows and there would be this [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► juicer [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► waiting as soon as we got out of the van [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► and we would make these complex chooses [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► with ginger and lemon [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► we just felt like superstars and so when [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► I got done with that too i was like i'm [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► gonna get a juicer that's how and that's [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► how a man lives if you are if you're a [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► real like operator if you're a guy that [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► is that knows how to tie a tie you [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► should have a juicer at your house and [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► make you feel vital it just fills you [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► with nutrients it goes you with [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► nutrients well or it fills you with [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► sugar water I mean I what I can't figure [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► how about juices like so I'm making [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► these juices and they are very [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► complicated i went to the store I bought [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► all this spinach and kale and and and [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► carrots and move ginger and you know [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► garlic and basil and all this stuff and [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► beets beet green definitely miss the [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► coffee at all that sounds wonderful [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► well and I'm so I'm throwing it all [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► looks legit she could pick up the day at [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► we kick off the day with some hot lemon [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► water [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► hmm now that the pipes movement m and [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► I'm better but I'm throwing this stuff [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► into the juicer i'm watching all the [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► actual food just get shunted off into [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► the garbage bag and what's left is this [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► concentrated like purple sugar water [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► basically and I it's like the only bill [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► it's like build you put it i mean if you [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► want to make spinach juice it takes an [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► extraordinary amount of spinach to make [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► a tiny little you know you know when you [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► cook spinach it just all kind of [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► disappears but when you don't use it [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► I mean that doesn't it take like what [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► like a whole giant basket to make like a [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► half a cup [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► yeah I put in the equivalent of what of [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► a mastiff into the juicers like a [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► mastiff of it a basket of spinach and [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► and yeah it produces like 22 ounces of [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► wheatgrass juice that's like six bucks [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► and I go okay i mean i guess that I'm [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► getting some but but but i'm really not [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► getting much out of it i mean it's i'm [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► probably it's probably what 600 calories [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► a day of of juice just because i think [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► part of the part of the juice fast part [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► of why it works is that it's so fucking [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► complicated to make the juice and clean [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► the juicer you don't want to do it more [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► than a couple of times a day and so [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► you're basically just you're just [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► starving yourself and taking some sugar [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► water in the interim [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► you're not gonna believe the timing on [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► this here you're not going to believe [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► how simpatico it makes me because you [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► need you texted me this morning and I [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► was like obviously someone attacks on [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► two counts because he's using his phone [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► at something like eight in the morning [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► and i was i was sleeping in a little bit [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► and i have recently been awakened by a [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► horrific almost medieval grinding sound [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► coming from our kitchen [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► oh because my my family had decided to [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► make some juices this morning why it's [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► real real loud isn't always very loud [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► that machine is a it's a plant killer it [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► is it takes them right out [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► it's phyto killer int a and anyway the [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► point being that then my the the 12 [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► punch was then my daughter came in with [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► a small glass of like a caramel colored [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► liquid and she goes drink this and I was [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► like I heard the noise i'm not thinking [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► that but just like no drink it it's [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► really good and had a little her other [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► 14 little straws in it and it was so [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► gross [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► it was it was well i think it was [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► primary was there are some spinach and [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► there was some carrots and but it really [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► really tasted like celery [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► oh that's right they say celery is the [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► juice ruin our oh is that right that's [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► good to hack yeah you put any put celery [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► of any juice and it just ruins because [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► it makes it taste like somewhere like [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► cilantro [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► right exactly yes so I'm feeling it for [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► you I I and I said really i said Elinor [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► that's terrible that's an awful thing to [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► put in my mouth while still laying in [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► bed until spilled on the bed background [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► but and so so what I mean okay seriously [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► though what what led you did you just [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► decide it was just a fun project or you [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► said yeah yeah just my project [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► yeah there's no that you know I the the [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► wall when I think back to the the time [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► that i decided i was going to stop [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► eating wheat and sugar [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► I honestly even a day later could not [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► remember what I was what was motivating [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► me you know like I don't remember the [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► idea that came into my head and I [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► usually remember my motivations but [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► looking back I was like I don't remember [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► why i decided to do this what I'm what [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► is going on with me and it's the same [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► with this juice fast i cannot i cannot [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► tell you how the idea got lodged in my [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► brain I think I read something on and on [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► an airplane [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► I think it was a date with something so [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► many terrible projects start reading by [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► running on an airplane i think i was [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► reading at the in-flight magazine and [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► then i was reading and then there was [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► something snarky in The New Yorker and [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► it just got this idea going like juices [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► huh juices maybe New York magazine had [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► an article about a guy who was running a [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► gym that also was a juicer and it just [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► got in there just the worm got in there [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► and all of a sudden Here I am three days [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► into a juice fast and everything every [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► joint in my body is aching and what I [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► want is I mean name of food I wanted [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► yeah but what I have available to me is [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► like beaches basically it seems like one [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► of those things that they would do like [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► you know i don't know like in the maze [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► in Ireland like this some kind of a [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► prison thing like when they give you the [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► the punishment loaf like they were put [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► on a juice diet because i was just i [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► would have to be honest with you first [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► launch want to applaud you and if this [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► sounds like it could be really good for [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► you but I would find it so hard to look [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► forward to anything in life if I knew it [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► was going to be a day filled with juice [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► well this is the thing when you when you [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► when you stop eating food you realize [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► how many of your projects how many of [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► the reasons that you're going out how [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► many [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► you have the how many come to things [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► that the like pylons that demarcate the [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► obstacle course of your day are just [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► food it's like what do you want to do I [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► don't know what's going downtown well [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► what should we do [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► well let's go to that restaurant well [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► we're not eating food we're eating i'm [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► drinking juice right now I'm sorry to [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► say oh well we could go to that smoothie [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► place [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► yeah but those are smoothies they're not [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► juice really like already i'm already [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► are the most boring person alive i [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► mislike it was bad enough when you when [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► he couldn't have french fries or [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► something but now I mean it's I was [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► gonna say it's like being on a salad [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► dressing diet but it's not it's not even [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► it's not even I I could see myself [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► waking up in the morning go I you know [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► nice cup of like a couple shots of [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► Thousand Island could get me going [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► yeah but it's all it's a lot of work [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► it'sit's it's pretty costly too i think [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► it is as well so I was so the other [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► night [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► 22 days into my juice fast the [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► presidents of the united states of [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► america played their annual president's [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► day concert here in Seattle and I got up [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► with them and sang sang a song is on [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► their new record with them and so I got [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► up and sang songs and then they then [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► they launched into new girl [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► well so what we get done singing the [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► song like yeah that was great and then [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► they just like launched into new girl [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► and they're only go go do it do it sing [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► it sing it and so we saying new girl in [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► front of their sold-out crowd which was [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► super fun and then we get off the stage [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► we're hanging out backstage and I'm like [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► oh man I thought that was really amazing [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► but I'm a little bit freaked out a [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► little bit tweaking right now because [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► i'm i'm on a juice fast when you think [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► of that guy's and Chris blue as a very [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► complicated theory about food and he was [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► like well you know actually juices [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► garbage food because it was you know but [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► most of those most of those foods were [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► developed by [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► by human intervention and we've we've [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► robbed all of our foods of their [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► nutrients over the course of the [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► millennium is he a million conspiracy [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► theorist started this he tried to he [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► he's a knowledgeable eating well guy I [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► chris is both things he is extremely [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► knowledgeable and you know and also like [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► he goes on it goes on intellectual [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► journeys where he discovers a new thing [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► and then it becomes kind of like it's [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► tense central to his his way of thinking [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► for example again like nutrition buff [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► yeah he ratings read some interesting [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► books and now he's really interested in [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► in the topic but then Jason [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► fence-sitting are your life good friend [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► Jason been sitting on the couch says [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► yeah well you know i i've done a [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► seven-day Master Cleanse which is that a [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► pooping 17 days of lemon and cayenne [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► pepper but i think it's just lemon and [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► and molasses maybe in the hot water or [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► not no he said not hot water room [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► temperature [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► I'm like seven days of and he's like oh [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► yeah yeah by the fourth day you're [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► really you're here really see and you're [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► seeing dragons you know and you're and [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► yeah he you know he talked about the [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► poop for a little while and I i was i [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► mean certainly I was impressed that my [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► three day juice fast got one up so hard [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► i was i was there was the first time [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► i've even gone out in public and I [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► already just got Smackdown like that's [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► like he didn't even eating and get the [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► high five for electronic bean and cheese [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► fast 03 juice fast that's cute you [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► should try seven-day Master Cleanse we [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► just drink lemon water so it was a it [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► was a little bit like I went home tail [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► between my legs but I stuck with my [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► juice fast I didn't go home and start [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► drinking lemon water molasses and I [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► didn't have a hamburger either so here [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► it is day three and I've got this class [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► here that is full of juice and it's [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► it's really it's it's bright red is the [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► color of cows blood [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► mm it's like I'm drinking a glass of [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► cows blood [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► well you know I think about a nutty [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► system is that sometimes he just kind of [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► stick with the nutty system [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► yes thank you hello that's it's not you [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► know i mean the thing is if you [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► overthink it i mean with any kind of [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► diet or anything like that i think that [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► the way two if by succeed we mean make [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► it through the amount of time that we [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► say we're going to do it and hopefully [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► that same I mean you're gonna do this [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► for months probably but if you said you [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► introduced 45 days seven days something [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► like that then I think you gotta it [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► helps me anyway to get to a place where [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► I'm not thinking about it too much [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► I'm not you know I'm doing what I gotta [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► do but to make it sustainable even for [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► more than two or three days even more [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► than a day we have to get to someplace [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► where it's just kind of routine and [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► you're like well this thing I'm doing I [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► don't know what makes sense you know [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► Jason Finn has given me some things to [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► think about but i'm going to just stick [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► with this and do this thing and then [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► maybe not maybe another time i'll do the [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► lemon diet [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► well that's exactly right and what's [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► amazing about this is that the side [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► effects that usually when I quit [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► caffeine it is that I get super sick [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► like that's how I quit really honestly [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► that's your body responds to a lot of [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► things that's how I quit drinking and [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► drugs [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► it's how I quit smoking cigarettes it's [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► how I like and most my relationships I [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► get really sick and I just go off into a [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► corner to die and then when I when I [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► come back I'm phoenix rising from the [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► ashes [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► I was going to say it's like your body [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► has to burn itself down so it can rise [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► from its own ashes [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► that's right and so what this what's [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► happening right now is this this [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► caffeine withdrawal is just a byproduct [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► of it but but honestly the first thing I [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► thought about when somebody said three [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► day juice fast I was like ooh that would [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► be a tough caffeine burn you mean [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► whatever else was going on no matter how [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► hungry where he your your knees would [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► hurt your fingernails would hurt but [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► when it's over then I'm then I have [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► accomplished this what is actually a [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► pretty daunting task which is this [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► caffeine withdrawal and then I'm gonna [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► like try and stay off of the coffee [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► which is actually a better way to live [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► it really is what I'm not when I don't [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► drink the coffee i am you know you're [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► you're living in the light so so if [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► you're going to go through all this i [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► just don't want to repeat what you're [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► saying but just so I understand you're [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► gonna try and stick with us for a while [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► the juice thing is a temporary thing [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► you'll enjoy you will enjoy your many [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► blood-red juices for a while to get [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► through it but you're thinking you'll [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► probably having gone through this dark [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► night of the soul with coffee you're [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► going to try and just stay off it after [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► yeah i think so for a while at the right [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► time yeah because I don't like [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► dependency it's the it's the overarching [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► theme of my life I cannot abide [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► dependence and I am dependent on [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► caffeine what makes me uncomfortable [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► I think arguably I don't know in my [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► cultures I think that like historically [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► like smoking cigarettes and drinking [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► coffee [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► it's more than something that everybody [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► does it's kind of like almost like a [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► default like you described with food [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► like what you want to do well let's just [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► meet its kind of like just the thing [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► that you do and if you don't know what [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► to do you have a cup of coffee or smoke [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► cigarette and you don't notice how often [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► that becomes the default not trying to [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► say one way or another good bad or [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► otherwise but you know with coffee you [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► don't notice it [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► I mean once it's gone you really notice [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► how often you had that little hankering [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► and then just knowing you can't have it [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► makes it's so much worse and weird to [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► wear if I'm trying to stop something [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► like long lines of a coffee which I'll [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► do sometimes you're trying to cut down [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► but now but especially from stopping [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► I'll i will want coffee [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► more than anything in the world and i [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► would even want coffee before I would [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► want coffee [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► uh-huh like the idea of waking up and [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► going like oh this is my first day [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► without coffee [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► that's all I'm gonna think about right [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► you know or I remember especially when I [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► was doing the you know the Atkins diet [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► like I never wanted french fries so much [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► in my entire life [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► I go like a go-to place and I get this [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► giant and really honestly [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► physiologically completely satisfying [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► like big bacon burger with no bun with [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► lettuce [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► yeah i mean that's all the food a person [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► needs throughout its like you'll be [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► talking about like you how can have a [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► state without noodles it just doesn't [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► make sense [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► like why would you not have noodles with [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► your steak is just a thing you should do [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► is a gentleman but like and when you [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► know you can't have that it's it's so [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► strange how your brain at least my brain [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► can cook up this this [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► oh I guess anxiety or or kind of like [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► unease about about the possibility that [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► i can't have that it makes me feel very [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► scared [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► oh it's a profound anxiety and this is [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► the this is the this is the number one [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► mind game of quitting all drugs is that [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► the it isn't really the physical [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► addiction that defeats you it is them [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► it's that anxiousness that comes into [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► your mind that says I'm never going to [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► have another french fry [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► I can't live like this right like and [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► what you do with your time right if you [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► spend if you spend a third or half your [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► day drinking and then you don't like how [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► would you do to fill that time you just [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► suddenly go and start volunteering I [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► mean it's a lot of time to fill well I'm [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► you and you can only I had a [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► conversation last night with a guy [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► the middle-aged guy let's say kinda like [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► this one it's kind of like this [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► conversation [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► well I should preface this by saying [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► that I went to see miley cyrus last [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► night was she performing yes I want to [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► see a Miley Cyrus concert last night at [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► the tacoma dome because i got an email [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► from a friend of mine who is working at [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► a sort of a high level in her production [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► and he said you'll never guess what i'm [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► doing now I'm doing you know X for the [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► production of this Miley Cyrus concert [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► do you want to come and i said yes i [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► will come and see this my Miley Cyrus [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► concert because I think mainly because [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► everything that I had everybody every [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► little post-it note in my head that i [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► had about my [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► Cyrus was negative like I don't think I [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► like Miley Cyrus is just as a thing i [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► didn't like hannah montana didn't like [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► that all you think it was catchy i don't [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► well I didn't know anything about it but [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► it's intense [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► I just instinctively didn't like it [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► because when i go into thrift stores i [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► see these little plastic guitar that [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► have hannah montana stickers on them and [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► I go oh that's garbage and I don't think [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► I liked Billy Ray Cyrus although i don't [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► know what that sounds like either but I [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► don't like what it represents [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► even though i don't really know what it [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► represents I just don't like it i didn't [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► like it i didn't like his haircut I [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► didn't like that brand of what i think [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► is that brand of country music people [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► get using that phrase boot scoot it made [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► me uncomfortable [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► I don't like that boot scoot I don't [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► wanna hear that now and so Hannah [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► Montana disney creation just kind of you [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► know it's not like i hate it i just [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► don't like it I don't know anything [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► about it I don't like it I'm going to [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► say about the evidence mounts that like [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► I'm not seeking out information about [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► this enterprise but every new as you say [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► post-it note of information about this [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► is not making me feel positive about [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► this and that accumulates right it does [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► it accumulates and then then Oh Miley [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► Cyrus is reinventing herself now she's a [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► bad girl well I don't like that i don't [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► like that the disney girl is now [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► reinventing herself as a bad girl i just [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► dont thats I don't care about it but I [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► don't I don't [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► it is don't like it and then that [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► performance where she twerked at the [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► finest where she she did a little dance [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► with the finger [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► yeah from finger and stuff yeah right at [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► and she was with the blurred lines guy [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► yes I didn't even see it i just saw it [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► talked about in the in the the [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► chattering culture it was very [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► uncomfortable watch but I didn't like it [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► i didn't like the conversation about it [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► i didn't like the pictures that I saw of [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► it it made me uncomfortable so going [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► into all of that this friend of mine is [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► like you're not going to believe what [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► I'm doing right now i'm working on the [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► miley cyrus tour [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► and i said i will go to this and he said [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► great you got two passes see you at the [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► show and so I spent the afternoon trying [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► to get somebody to go with me to the [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► show and I asked at a handful of friends [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► that are usually game if I want to go [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► see Michael Schenker or if I want to go [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► see a monster truck rally or if I want [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► to go to it you know a motocross race [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► and all of my like go to show buddies [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► were like what no way like it'll be fun [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► it'll be funny we'll go see my Miley [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► Cyrus will be like hilarious and they [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► were like no action absolutely not [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► and there was a different kind of [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► pushback like no I draw the line here [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► there's nothing funny about this and it [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► was this like I can go to a Klan rally [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► or something yeah right like if there [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► was an end and an increased my [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► perception that there was this negative [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► this kind of knee-jerk negative feeling [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► about her this take on her that [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► everybody has that increased my desire [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► to go so that if it was a stormy night [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► last night there was a there were a lot [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► of reasons why it's a you know 45 miles [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► to tacoma lot of reasons why i normally [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► would have said i'm not sure i'm just [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► not going to do this but I was like no [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► you know what I'm going to go see this [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► Miley Cyrus concert because now i'm [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► suspicious i'm suspicious of my own bias [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► against this person because I'm seeing [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► it reflected in all these other people [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► and I'm and I realizing like I don't [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► know anything about miley cyrus why do I [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► feel so strongly that this that this [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► girl who stick your tongue out is like [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► this thing then isn't just bad it's like [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► it's like a despicable and cultural [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► Anathem yeah right so I get in my car [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► and I Drive down there and I and I [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► parking I'm I'm [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► I'm walking to the show and it's just [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► sheets of rain and all around me on the [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► streets are girls dressed very [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► provocatively and they are all I mean I [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► was expecting it to be a bunch of [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► ten-year-olds and you know like hannah [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► montana ten-year-old type of thing and [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► and some and some preteens or whatever [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► but everybody is 20 [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► everywhere I look everyone is 20 years [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► old and they're all dressed like ready [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► sexy but but it's a sister rainstorm a [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► cold rain storm so there's a lot of [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► shrieking and soar high heel running to [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► get to the venue everybody's covering [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► their hair with their plastic bags and [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► I'm walking up i'm in my life I'm well [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► protected in my raincoat and dad hat [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► I'm like I am really I'm really wrong [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► here like this is going to be weird and [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► wrong but i did I made no attempt to [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► look like Claire that your buyers is [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► myself [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► ok by myself actually I was carrying a [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► walking stick that some bells on [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► at first I was worried about that yet in [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► the Hat notice that a jolly little [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► pockets too many Reynolds jingle stick [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► at me and said ah [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► so i get to the venue and I walk in just [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► as she takes the stage and there's a [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► giant you know 10-story tall picture of [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► miley cyrus and the mouth opens on the [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► picture somehow like the the jaw opens [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► in a kind of almost Monty Python right [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► way and a giant tongue unfurls out of [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► the mouth and reveals itself to be a [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► slide and then miley cyrus appears in [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► her own mouth waves to the crowd and [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► then slides down her own giant tongue up [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► to the stage and I'm I'm standing I died [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► i'm standing in a wet raincoat watching [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► this and I'm thinking oh ok [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► what the fuck is this like that is a [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► that's kind of a bad trip almost like [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► that's a that's a heavy that's a heavy [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► trip if I were if this were 20 years ago [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► and and i took my usual regimen of [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► pre-concert hallucinogens I would be [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► really freaking out right now that's a [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► heavy image a lot a lot for the mind to [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► to take in and she starts walking around [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► the stage and I go looking for my [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► looking for my seat and I realize I'm in [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► a stadium and both the average age and [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► the mean age is 24 [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► there's no variation there's no one I [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► mean that i can see no one that is 30 [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► and no one that is 15 [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► it's like I've never I i can't i can't [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► think of a time that I've ever been in a [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► room with with the eight to ten thousand [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► twenty year old girls [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► and they are uh you know really like [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► digging the show and like i said so i [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► get to my seat and it turns out I'm i [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► have a front-row seat you have reserved [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► seating [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► well yeah the myoga she compu a really [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► good see ya my friends just like you [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► here here's your tickets and it's like [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► I'm front row of the of the seating give [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► a beard right now I do have a beer that [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► and i have sort of went uncut hair i was [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► wearing my kim jong ill glasses so I my [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► you know by like north korean [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► functionary classes and then every other [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► aspect of my attire was like basically [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► stern dad they may be checked my jingle [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► stick and i watch this entire show in [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► other amazement at how I mean because my [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► my first instinct every new thing that [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► came out every new set piece every like [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► thing she was pushing my first instinct [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► was oh my god no [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► and then in the course of the tune it [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► was revealed that in fact Miley Cyrus is [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► completely in control of the of every [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► aspect of her presentation in her career [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► she is like overwhelmingly positive [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► everybody in the place is having an [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► overwhelmingly positive time and the the [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► takeaway from the show was like this was [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► the most like in culturally interesting [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► and and dare I say it empowering kind of [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► show of its type that I could ever [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► remember seeing I don't think there was [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► ever a Madonna concert that was that was [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► this casually empowering you know it was [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► extraordinary [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► and I came out of there just I mean [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► really like now not just with the whole [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► new impression of what Miley Cyrus is [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► and represents but like a real push back [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► on my own cultural instincts now through [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► like two and i think i feel i feel like [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► the entire culture is the kind of lined [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► up to dismiss her and as a result she [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► has this she has this real credibility [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► with 20 year old girls who she is a 20 [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► year old girl and she has a she has a [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► direct line to them and is talking to [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► them directly and they are responding to [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► her directly and there's no no one else [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► is allowed in almost you know her show [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► is too dirty for teens so like the katy [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► perry show make sure not to be too scary [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► because she's trying to get all the [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► tenants it's very--it's saucy but it [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► doesn't inhabit that level of like back [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► in aliens spectacle right exact sounds [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► it sounds like it like that like a [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► spectacle [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► it's an absolute spectacle and like [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► there are there are just way more [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► vaginas in miley cyrus show then you are [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► going to see in a normal presentation [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► but they but it's not as that's like [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► elements of set design or just yeah yeah [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► it's just like I mean the beastie boys [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► come out with the giant set of [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► inflatable boobs or Mick Jagger's [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► bouncing around on a huge blow-up [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► microphone and Miley Cyrus effectively [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► has no there are a lot of blow up [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► animals in her show and some of them are [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► I mean some of the visuals were fully [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► into the realm of this is that this is [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► trippy trippy shit that is I could I [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► kept coming back to like if I had taken [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► some mushrooms before the show I would [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► be weeping [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► but left process with no coffee well a [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► lot of processes with that with no copy [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► and also this like cultural mash of [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► japanese anime punk rock metal rap a [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► country and YouTube culture photoshop [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► little gerbil they're less kind of sex [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► worker stuff to the right hold total [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► pole-dancing seen all the time like [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► every every physical gesture is derived [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► either from pole dancing working or uh I [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► mean but like a 21 year olds sense of [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► what sex is [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► and I mean I would have walked into that [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► is not a modern 21 year olds idea right [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► if you if you would put a microphone in [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► front of me as I'm walking in there been [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► a reporter that was like you there with [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► the jingle stick c'mere [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► what are you going into the miley cyrus [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► show you know what do you think she's [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► sexy [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► I would have said the 21 year old girl [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► is not sexy she's skinny and she doesn't [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► know like what you don't know how to [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► have sex [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► she's a she's a she's a child but coming [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► out of that show i'm like 'oh 21 year [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► olds know how to have sex what was I [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► thinking [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► 21 year olds I mean they don't uh maybe [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► they aren't like all experts at it but [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► they're not she's not a child she's 21 [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► you know she's she is a lot older than [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► me a pharaoh was when she married stank [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► Sinatra so so yeah we're coming so [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► coming away from but that but but but [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► but my mind was trying to process this [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► torrent of images that was a complete [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► like well basically if you allow me a [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► fruit juice of all of basically [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► everything the culture has produced you [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► know African drumming uh-uh-uh [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► enough videos when do Williams uh you [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► know like and it's all happening like [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► boom boom boom and I don't think [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► everybody in the audience knows what [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► every references to but in a way they do [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► in a way they're much more attuned to [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► this this tour this torrent of micro [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► image and you anymore more comfortable [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► with that like a mirage of iconography [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► knowing that is iconography yeah very [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► comfortable with it not you know they [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► are not sitting there like borderline [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► grand mal seizure like like I was but [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► also i don't and this is maybe part part [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► of what's interesting about it to me [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► like they are trying to parse every [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► image and part of what is making it [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► overwhelming to me as I'm like whoa and [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► I'm like I'm looking at every image and [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► I'm I'm its igniting this part of my [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► brain that has a cultural association [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► with it so I'm like what [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► oh hey what was that doing there were [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► Dirk and they're not doing that they're [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► just taking it in as a from a place of [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► like people pure sensation and and and [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► honestly unmitigated joy so the whole [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► the whole event was like a completely on [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► ironic no irony about it at all [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► there was no cynicism to it and this is [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► the net result was total positivity and [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► looking around the room at the eight to [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► ten thousand twenty year old girls all [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► dressed like sex workers you realize [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► that they are not dressing like that for [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► the male gaze because there are no men [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► here who they're dressing like this for [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► one another for their own pleasure and [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► in homage to Miley and she's dressing [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► like that for them [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► and and the the other amazing thing was [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► not a single person ever looked at me [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► like I was a creep like every single [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► person every single girl that made eye [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► contact with me which was hundreds and [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► hundreds of them they were they all [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► smiled and we're like high or excuse me [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► or you know like everyone was was polite [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► and I and I'd I never for a moment had [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► that feeling of like oh my god what are [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► you doing here like that that was absent [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► from the from the place [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► no booze no like no Satan worship I mean [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► it was I mean unless it's a very complex [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► and subtle Satan worship that that [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► everybody has read everybody read a [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► pamphlet before they went in explaining [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► that this was all in service of Satan [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► but I I didn't see it i saw just to [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► prove you know kind of joy [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► miley cyrus's joy of being 21 years old [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► rich and able to just do whatever she [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► wants i haven't been to many things like [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► that in my life [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► they were there are much clearer poles [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► to almost everything that I've ever gone [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► to that were about some kind of [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► differentiation or you know it certainly [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► punk rock shows but I'm maybe flaming [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► lips i'm trying to think of you know [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► like when they were first getting into [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► their I'll the spectacles that they will [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► put on a very positive and you know [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► freak friendly kind of stuff but this a [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► I I'm glad you went [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► it sounds like this is a good experience [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► for you it was i'm still I'm still [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► chewing on it you know and I and I did [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► not live tweet it as i was walking and I [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► was like I'm gonna live-tweet the shit [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► out of this Miley Cyrus concert it's [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► gonna be really hilarious on Twitter and [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► I got it and immediately I was like this [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► is so over my head that up to live tweet [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► it would be to do it and myself a [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► disservice like I'm not going to be I'm [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► not going to be out of this experience [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► i'm going to just be rooted in this [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► experience and try and like [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► figure out where it's coming from [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► because when I was that age when I was [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► her age or her fans age I was at [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► scorpions concepts and punk rock shows [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► and we were all dressed for one another [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► to in denim and leather and but the [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► average eight there was no average age [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► and scorpions concert it was me and you [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► let us see burnouts in their fifties and [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► you're stuck in that are way too young [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► to be there [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► sure it was mostly dudes or or almost [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► entirely dudes but but i love the whole [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► age range and what the Scorpions [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► represented what their message was i [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► mean i was i was forced to ask myself [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► last night was the Scorpions message [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► oh and they just essentially wanted to [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► know if you're ready to rock and roll i [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► think that's right yeah baby say we were [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► we were ready I was ready i was ready to [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► rock and roll look at me and I so you [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► know I was going to shows all the time [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► then and they were profoundly important [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► to me and I'm not and and they were a [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► lot less there was a lot less sensory [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► experience that there was last night at [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► the Miley Cyrus concert but that but [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► then of course you know I'm reflecting [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► like on the fact that my own daughter is [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► not even a member of this generation at [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► all these people [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► miley cyrus is going to be a mature and [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► legendary artist by the time my my [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► daughter is going to her first concerts [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► like Miley Cyrus will at that point b 25 [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► years into her career and so so this [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► experience does not even give me a [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► toehold on understanding what the [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► culture is going to be like and and the [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► degree to which I'm going to need to be [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► at least capable of experiencing [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► understanding the culture 15 years from [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► now [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► you're making me think of something that [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► is probably useful for me to think about [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► you know we talked a lot and use [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► especially talked a lot about this whole [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► the authenticity problem and how that [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► you know we've talked about and plenty [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► right i mean this whole thing of like [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► especially in rock-and-roll there's [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► always concern about you know who's [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► truly authentic who has more [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► authenticity you can you know display [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► that I mean who's closer to the blues [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► who's more rock and roll and it's funny [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► because I'm oh this is kind of a big [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► thought but you think about you know no [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► excuse me think about what happened in [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► like a post Dylan post Beatles era and [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► even if you were not doing your own [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► songs there was still a primacy to [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► creator to like artists created rock and [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► roll it was the idea that like I'm not [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► up your mouth and something that some [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► tin pan alley guy didn't less i'm doing [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► that for some kind of ironic point like [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► I'm here because I am the person who [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► made this show on the person who made [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► this song this is about my life and even [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► if it's not really about my life it [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► still is works in the service of a [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► certain kind of authenticity then [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► somebody's going straight back to Dillon [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► i think that's that's been I think it's [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► one because I'm trying to say is in [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► brief is that one reason a lot of stuff [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► like this is so confusing and weird to [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► people like me and presumably you is it [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► it's it's a this really is [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► generationally one of the first really [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► one of the first major generational [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► changes in popular music in quite a [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► while maybe even up through indie-rock [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► any rock is still heavily even today [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► still so heavily rooted in that [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► singer-songwriter tradition absolutely [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► in fact that I'm up here and I may be [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► playing the drums on somebody's a [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► motorcycle helmet but that's authentic [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► because we made this mean you know i'm [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► not going to put too fine a point on it [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► but i don't think that the way that you [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► and I have historically looked at the [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► way that our generation looked at that I [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► don't think that matters to people today [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► and that's not a judgment at all it's [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► just an observation [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► I think this is this is a it's it really [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► is its own thing she has put this team [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► together that or somebody put a team [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► together for her that is really [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► brilliantly leveraging the way things [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► have changed [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► in music and culture so like you know [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► we've talked so much before again about [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► like you work you put all this money [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► into making out and you talk about this [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► on when you're on my curly show you put [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► all this money into like making an album [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► and put it out [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► used to be you could you know if you're [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► Steve Miller you could ride on that for [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► a year to right or if you were you know [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► the Eagles or anybody you can get four [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► singles off an element or off it for a [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► year or two like you put out two hours [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► and 20 for two years [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► yeah and now today like people want this [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► constant dribble of culture that does [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► not facilitated by putting a hundred [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► thousand dollars into an album putting [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► it out and then just sitting around [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► waiting for the checks to arrive ok it's [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► a big it's a big issue but like it seems [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► like there are people today that are [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► much more comfortable going like hey I'm [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► putting out of a pop-culture product and [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► that doesn't make me a worse person than [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► I I this is this is a job that I do and [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► people love this and I'm going to [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► narrowcast this to these 20 year old [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► girls who love this and if you don't [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► like it that's okay but that's not gonna [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► make me do this differently and your [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► concerns about my about my authenticity [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► are going to are going to fall short of [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► their target because that's not even [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► what i'm trying to do i'm being me and [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► and me is this team of people in [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► production designers and songwriters and [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► musicians and lighting people that make [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► this kind of product that you know i'm [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► not going to make a quality but you know [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► what i mean i think that DVD see that [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► difference like you know it when are you [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► so much pushback on the punk-rock [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► article you so much pushback on the [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► whole I kind of authenticity thing like [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► you know and you know all along we've [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► all been trying to find the product that [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► like meets our needs and it sounds like [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► she's getting that two people here [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► well what was the last stop sucking up [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► to X no no that's that that's right in [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► line with exactly like where my mind was [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► going and where my mind is going trying [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► to trying to process it for myself [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► because also authenticity is a huge it [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► is is is a huge and maybe the singular [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► like cup criteria of hip-hop right like [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► hip-hop's whole trip is is it real are [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► you real [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► and I mean I don't know enough about [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► that culture to to critique it deeply [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► but the the the the gangster and sort of [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► authenticity trip that that is a heart [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► like the heart the hardcore nature of [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► this sure that scene has been you know [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► caught up in for almost its entire life [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► of me when you think about the original [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► hip-hop it was so Mary it was so pretty [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► like I was like party music party music [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► right and it was it was only not mean it [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► was only sort of run DMC is like tougher [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► than leather vibe that started to [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► establish that that eric b and rakim [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► direction where it was like no no this [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► is righteous and for a long time there [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► were those two sides of hip-hop right [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► the della soul over here that are [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► intellectual at but also fun and then [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► NWA just pushed it in well and Public [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► Enemy really pushed it in this thread i [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► mean like let's let's remember there was [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► a time when there were articles about [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► the feud between kool Moe Dee and MC [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► hammer huh [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► but I was more real who's more real I [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► think I think history will record that [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► in as much as that was a contest I guess [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► kool Moe Dee one but who was more real [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► than Hammer hammer was a ball boy for [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► the Oakland a right [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► like come on the right guy was like as [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► real as they come it's just that he's [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► wearing a Sinbad pants but you needed [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► but in all this cases with hip-hopper [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► anybody else but it is especially [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► hip-hop not really with all alone like [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► it's important that that that you that [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► that that be authentic so that you can [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► be authentic right you don't want to [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► follow somebody who's like a big poser [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► knows now there's a poser but last night [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► at the show [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► miley as part of the show hasn't as a [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► there's a middle section where she goes [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► out to a little stage that's way at the [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► back of the arena so she's playing for [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► the people in the cheap seats and this [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► is a little pop-up stage [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► it wasn't evident to anyone was there [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► and she's putting on this in enormous [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► spectacle and then all of a sudden she [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► disappears and you know multiple times [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► in the show she disappears in a little [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► elevator beneath the stage to change [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► costumes and there's and in the meantime [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► there's a big video show that's it in [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► some ways like the craziest part of the [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► show but all of a sudden she pops up at [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► this little mini stage dressed in a [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► total like glitz bboy outfit like a [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► glitter hat glitter baseball hat kind of [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► turned to the side giant sir Justin [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► Bieber t-shirt except instead of Justin [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► Bieber's face its miley's face [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► Sarah sure she's there with a giant [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► picture of herself on her shirt and like [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► dressed in a costume that immediately I [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► like again my instinct was I don't like [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► that i don't like that costume [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► it looks like something the fly girls [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► would wear on living color and I don't [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► like it it's at its appropriated from [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► something that I I didn't like the thing [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► initially and now I don't like the [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► appropriation of but she gets out on [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► this little stage in this outfit and [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► does two covers she does a downtempo [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► acoustic cover of hey who that was for [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► the most part like a very cool indie [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► rock cover if I if I had heard tegan and [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► sara do it before if i had heard st. [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► Vincent do this cover of hey yeah i [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► would have been like that's great great [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► great sad song and it was very sad too [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► and frankly watching Miley Cyrus I had [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► to say that's amazing [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► like that's great that she is cease [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► singing hey yeah right now and it's [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► making me sad and that's tremendous [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► I mean she's doing it in an arena and [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► she's got a picture of herself on her [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► shirt and i'm i'm i'm genuinely moved [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► and then her second cover is a [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► full-throated just straight ahead honest [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► cover of Jolene that the belly part in [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► song [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► yeah wow just at the top of her lungs [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► just Jolene job and I'm like let's [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► fucking incredible like that's it [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► that isn't that is an amazing tin and [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► sung by someone who obviously has been [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► singing it since she was a little kid [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► and there's no there's no reference made [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► there's no wink in it it's like sad [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► country version of Hey Ya full-throated [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► version of Jolene and then back to the [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► stripper show and at no point does [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► anyone stop for a millisecond and go see [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► what we did there because it's because [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► that element of it is gone and that [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► whole see what we did there [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► impulse is still tied to this [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► authenticity question that you or [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► problem that you pose is a slideshow of [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► poor kids in Mississippi or vintage [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► photos of Dolly Parton nope there's no [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► there's no like we are putting country [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► and hip hop together we are put in we [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► are doing these things because we are we [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► are smarter than these things and we are [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► able to manipulate these building blocks [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► of culture and art we and appreciate us [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► for that as the you know and that's the [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► authenticity argument ultimately is like [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► I know I'm a white kid playing the blues [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► but I'm but I'm my acknowledgement of it [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► my recognition that I'm doing it is [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► makes it forgivable makes me miss you [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► know you should admire me not because [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► not just because of what I'm making but [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► also because of my intention myself [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► knowledge my my purpose my [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► you know all of these secondary [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► questions that are that are threaded [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► through the question of authenticity and [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► their-their wasn't any of that there's [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► no there's no you or if your if that's [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► in there it's just now [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► it permeates the culture to the degree [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► that no one has to do it anymore [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► we all know that we all know everything [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► we all know that there's no difference [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► between you know like the message of her [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► show is uh there's no difference between [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► people and there's no difference between [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► things there's no like african drumming [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► in Japanese imagery belong together [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► because everything is possible all the [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► time so look what I made and I can't [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► find fault with it [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► yeah anyway I'll something I think about [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► a lot on what you know drag this out i [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► think it's it's it is fascinating and [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► I'm glad you talked about it because [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► it's and I'm glad you went [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► what do you think about a lot when I'm [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► watching a TV show or a movie that I [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► think also applies a lot to pop music is [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► for example if you're watching doctor [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► who you're watching star wars you're [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► watching any kind of a show i think it's [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► always interesting to watch for sort of [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► like who were supposed to sympathize [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► with to the point where maybe better [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► like who we want to be in this thing so [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► i can doctor who [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► a lot of people talk about Doctor Who I [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► usually has a companion often a woman [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► somebody's with them who's sometimes as [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► little as just the doctor what's [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► happening here and give them reason to [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► explain it but can also be very an [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► emotional connection that's just short [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► of romantic a lot of the time but [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► there's something we're like there's [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► some character in this where you're [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► supposed to see yourself right there [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► that you are you are the person on this [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► journey I think this is probably with [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► Lord of the Rings and Star Wars maybe [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► that's look Skywalker an episode for you [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► know what I mean there's always somebody [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► that you're supposed to sympathize with [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► you just say episode 4 and I'm sorry [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► that's what's officially what's called [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► come on it's officially called a new [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► hope [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► dude this is a safe space here okay we [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► don't have to you don't have to like [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► talk to cult language here it's this [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► this is not a couple more just [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► star wards Star Wars is what it's called [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► she's like some values it's called Star [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► Wars the Justicar or consent but the [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► story's gets really interesting in pop [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► music because like Who am I supposed to [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► obviously you're there because you buy [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► larger there unless you really are at [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► some gritty you know british punk rock [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► show [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► you're there because you like that [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► performer you like what they do you [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► probably you kind of want to be them [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► sort of writing i mean you want to be [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► the more you want to be with them maybe [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► you want to kiss them but like there's [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► something to it where like you see [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► yourself and I think this is where the [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► authenticity thing on its authenticity [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► thing has been such a bugbear in the [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► past is it's difficult for us to want to [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► be close minor if we feel like class my [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► name is not authentic right well you [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► know what I'm saying [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► and in this instance it you know it [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► sounds like she's pretty unabashed about [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► saying like you want to be me and I want [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► to be you like we're realize you say we [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► are doing this for each other which I [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► think to do that in a way that is guy [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► listen again I I don't overstate this I [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► wasn't there but to do that in a way [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► that it's guyless is is pretty unusual [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► for stuff that I've been to in the past [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► they would be a little fruity for me to [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► say Oh John John Roderick is so dreamy i [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► wish i could sink our parts or you know [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► I guess Jagger or whatever but i think [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► that's that's such a big piece of this [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► is like wanting to see ourselves up [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► there and wanted to see see what it [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► would be like to be that person so I [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► don't need to get our own bars but I [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► mean like for her to be up there in the [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► equivalent of like what somebody would [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► wear in a hip-hop caprisun commercial [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► with her being that guy right with her [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► shirt with their own face on it [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► well that's because that's that that [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► could be you you want that to be you [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► so when you go out and you wear that [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► shirt you doing the same thing that she [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► did and it's it's it's got like a [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► one-to-one relationship i don't know i [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► don't that make sense but again that's [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► the kind of thing where like the last [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► thing in a million years that you would [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► say as a cool rock fan is like man I [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► really want to be Michael Stipe that [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► would have not been a very cool thing to [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► say in 1984 probably although I probably [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► would've set it to be honest but you [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► know what i mean it sounds like those [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► you felt like the least from your [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► perspective with your with your paycheck [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► jingle stick [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► that that the those barriers or not [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► they're in a way they were 20 years ago [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► for us [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► well I and a so much of it is is in the [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► visual culture now that the watching the [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► watching the this ponopolis of images [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► unfold at [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► unfold at [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► realizing that that like we are living [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► in a selfie culture now I was having a [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► conversation with somebody on the phone [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► the other day and I realized that they [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► had never taken a selfie because they [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► were an old person and I said you really [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► need to really need to get past the [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► barrier here and i took a picture myself [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► and I was like see here's a selfie i'm [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► just i'm driving in my car i'm taking a [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► picture here's a picture of me what how [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► do you feel about that and they were [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► like I you know I'm it's really nice to [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► see a picture of you I'm really like [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► they they had all psychological barriers [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► to taking a selfie that were all related [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► to shame about self-aggrandizement she's [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► antithetical to pretty much everything I [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► I grew up with you don't take your own [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► picture right right it's really that's a [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► very weird thing to do that for a long [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► time not to beat this to death but [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► people who look like they wanted to be [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► perceived as sex workers with two for a [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► long time it used to be that that was [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► just the domain of girls who took 45 [TS]

01:01:09 ◼   ► pictures of themselves in the bathroom [TS]

01:01:11 ◼   ► mirror until they got the one that they [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► like and now today everybody John [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► Hodgman can't stop [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► well anyone stop Frank frankly frankly [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► no one can stop now like it we we have [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► crossed the Rubicon and selfies are our [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► up of form of art selfies are part of [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► our awareness of ourselves and I mean I [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► knew people who would get a roll of film [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► back from the drugstore and like throw [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► away the pictures of themselves just [TS]

01:01:44 ◼   ► because even owning a picture of [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► themselves taken by somebody else was [TS]

01:01:49 ◼   ► too much vanity for them it's like it's [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► like it's like it's like asking for your [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► own autograph it it doesn't you need a [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► second party for that to make sense yeah [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► right and you you take the pictures of [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► you and you give them to other people [TS]

01:02:03 ◼   ► because why would you want to look at a [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► picture of yourself but now the the [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► culture has you know completely embraced [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► the idea that [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► pictures of yourself that taking [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► thousands of pictures of yourself is a [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► like is a way of exploring your identity [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► and and understanding your ego and and [TS]

01:02:28 ◼   ► basking in it and what's missing is the [TS]

01:02:33 ◼   ► shame that we used to feel about it and [TS]

01:02:36 ◼   ► so watching this watching the show last [TS]

01:02:38 ◼   ► night in this cascade of images and a [TS]

01:02:40 ◼   ► lot of pictures of miley cyrus in her [TS]

01:02:43 ◼   ► own show including on her own t-shirt [TS]

01:02:45 ◼   ► and including at the beginning when she [TS]

01:02:47 ◼   ► literally slides out of her own mouth [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

01:02:50 ◼   ► it's still can't get over that in and I [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► don't and I'm not sure when they were [TS]

01:02:54 ◼   ► thinking about when they were thinking [TS]

01:02:55 ◼   ► it up it was like yes that's amazing but [TS]

01:02:57 ◼   ► they're obviously either they have an [TS]

01:02:59 ◼   ► incredible do they have no on staff [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► theorists or they have an incredible on [TS]

01:03:03 ◼   ► staff the earliest was just like yes [TS]

01:03:05 ◼   ► definitely slide down your own tongue [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► that is fucking great [TS]

01:03:10 ◼   ► you know like somebody is that I think I [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► feel like maybe her choreographer and [TS]

01:03:16 ◼   ► her show runner are both like art phd's [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► or something I mean it really feels like [TS]

01:03:23 ◼   ► there's that much [TS]

01:03:25 ◼   ► there's that much intention behind some [TS]

01:03:27 ◼   ► of this stuff that's just like that [TS]

01:03:29 ◼   ► couldn't be an accident but but this [TS]

01:03:32 ◼   ► cascade of images is being received by [TS]

01:03:38 ◼   ► an audience of people who are who are so [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► much more comfortable with images of [TS]

01:03:46 ◼   ► themselves and like I mean one of the [TS]

01:03:51 ◼   ► best bits in them in the miley show was [TS]

01:03:53 ◼   ► she's added out on the runway and she's [TS]

01:03:54 ◼   ► just grabbing people's phones and like [TS]

01:03:56 ◼   ► video taping herself for a second and [TS]

01:03:58 ◼   ► handing the phone back to them and which [TS]

01:04:00 ◼   ► is kinda like an autograph right and an [TS]

01:04:03 ◼   ► amazing gift to give to somebody who [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► you're a Miley Cyrus fan enough that you [TS]

01:04:06 ◼   ► are right up against the stage and she [TS]

01:04:08 ◼   ► grabs your phone and touches it with [TS]

01:04:09 ◼   ► their own hand and like makes a little [TS]

01:04:11 ◼   ► personal video for you and hands it back [TS]

01:04:13 ◼   ► and so it's just like fan for life but [TS]

01:04:16 ◼   ► also like what is that [TS]

01:04:20 ◼   ► like I I do feel like every everyone in [TS]

01:04:23 ◼   ► the audience is putting themselves in [TS]

01:04:25 ◼   ► her shape because they all can make [TS]

01:04:30 ◼   ► videos of themselves they're making [TS]

01:04:32 ◼   ► videos of themselves right now and those [TS]

01:04:36 ◼   ► videos are part of the unassisted I [TS]

01:04:40 ◼   ► guess this is what I walked away with we [TS]

01:04:43 ◼   ► always thought at the dawn of the [TS]

01:04:45 ◼   ► Internet that I i think a lot of us [TS]

01:04:50 ◼   ► could see that here was the potential [TS]

01:04:53 ◼   ► for all of human knowledge to come to [TS]

01:04:57 ◼   ► one central clearinghouse we could [TS]

01:05:01 ◼   ► compare and contrast finally you didn't [TS]

01:05:04 ◼   ► have to go get lost in the stacks with [TS]

01:05:06 ◼   ► seven books open trying to figure out [TS]

01:05:08 ◼   ► like where the Koran and the Bible and [TS]

01:05:12 ◼   ► the bugger all the all the existing [TS]

01:05:14 ◼   ► stuff without whether mental model right [TS]

01:05:16 ◼   ► so we're going to mental model of the [TS]

01:05:17 ◼   ► library like you don't get to go in and [TS]

01:05:20 ◼   ► like scribbled a note book and put it on [TS]

01:05:21 ◼   ► the Shelf right we were going to this [TS]

01:05:24 ◼   ► was here was the internet and it was [TS]

01:05:26 ◼   ► going to be this place where we finally [TS]

01:05:28 ◼   ► had a consensus place and if we had and [TS]

01:05:34 ◼   ► this is kind of the this is the liberal [TS]

01:05:35 ◼   ► mentality like if we just get all the [TS]

01:05:39 ◼   ► information in one place then the truth [TS]

01:05:42 ◼   ► will be no and once we have all the [TS]

01:05:46 ◼   ► information and we have the truth that [TS]

01:05:49 ◼   ► we will be well then we will have [TS]

01:05:51 ◼   ► achieved Nirvana or you know then strife [TS]

01:05:53 ◼   ► will disappear because the truth is [TS]

01:05:55 ◼   ► available and the only reason that we [TS]

01:05:58 ◼   ► have wore the only reason that there is [TS]

01:06:00 ◼   ► you know that there is so much anger in [TS]

01:06:03 ◼   ► the world is that we don't we are [TS]

01:06:06 ◼   ► confused we don't know the truth this [TS]

01:06:08 ◼   ► person's angry he doesn't see the other [TS]

01:06:10 ◼   ► person's side etc etc and the internet [TS]

01:06:14 ◼   ► had this this enormous possibility [TS]

01:06:17 ◼   ► well what what we're in now i think is [TS]

01:06:21 ◼   ► this like post internet where yes all [TS]

01:06:26 ◼   ► the information is available [TS]

01:06:27 ◼   ► it's or or if you want [TS]

01:06:30 ◼   ► look for I mean it's all here and what [TS]

01:06:34 ◼   ► it has created is not this like this [TS]

01:06:39 ◼   ► intellectual underpinnings for this this [TS]

01:06:42 ◼   ► consensus in fact the culture is gone [TS]

01:06:45 ◼   ► the other direction and and all things [TS]

01:06:47 ◼   ► are equal and there is no consensus but [TS]

01:06:49 ◼   ► what it has produced is this art culture [TS]

01:06:52 ◼   ► where every single thing that's ever [TS]

01:06:56 ◼   ► been made is cut up and paste it back [TS]

01:07:00 ◼   ► together and there isn't a [TS]

01:07:04 ◼   ► differentiation between like the like [TS]

01:07:08 ◼   ► anime and tribal drumming and punk rock [TS]

01:07:14 ◼   ► group none of those things all just sit [TS]

01:07:17 ◼   ► is not just comfortably beside one [TS]

01:07:20 ◼   ► another but but as if they had always [TS]

01:07:22 ◼   ► been together and so in a sense it is [TS]

01:07:26 ◼   ► the achievement of like the sum total of [TS]

01:07:29 ◼   ► human knowledge all brought together but [TS]

01:07:31 ◼   ► it's happening in this mashup of music [TS]

01:07:37 ◼   ► and image rather than in this like sort [TS]

01:07:43 ◼   ► of bookish theoretical place and it's a [TS]

01:07:48 ◼   ► and I I guess I I it's not what I [TS]

01:07:52 ◼   ► expected but it is but it it it bodes I [TS]

01:07:57 ◼   ► guess it i guess it bodes well [TS]

01:07:59 ◼   ► like I'm excited to see what it produces [TS]

01:08:05 ◼   ► what I mean what I'm so excited to see [TS]

01:08:07 ◼   ► what that means [TS]

01:08:09 ◼   ► what is especially talking about your [TS]

01:08:10 ◼   ► daughter my daughter you know what it [TS]

01:08:12 ◼   ► means for somebody who didn't grow up [TS]

01:08:14 ◼   ► with this as a transitional thing or as [TS]

01:08:16 ◼   ► a new thing for somebody who for him [TS]

01:08:20 ◼   ► like somebody born today for whom Miley [TS]

01:08:21 ◼   ► Cyrus Cyrus sliding out of her own mouth [TS]

01:08:24 ◼   ► on her own tongue [TS]

01:08:26 ◼   ► is it something that's a mean it's not [TS]

01:08:28 ◼   ► like that's the craziest thing but no [TS]

01:08:30 ◼   ► although you have to see it really deny [TS]

01:08:32 ◼   ► I just now I it's really disturbing me [TS]

01:08:35 ◼   ► I've made Mick Jagger had done it at any [TS]

01:08:38 ◼   ► point it would I mean if he done it 25 [TS]

01:08:41 ◼   ► years ago we would that image would be [TS]

01:08:43 ◼   ► burned in my brain I'm thinking it's [TS]

01:08:44 ◼   ► just a 60 so then what I mean if you [TS]

01:08:47 ◼   ► think about this like somebody from [TS]

01:08:49 ◼   ► western China comes comes into the the [TS]

01:08:54 ◼   ► world now and says like I i play the one [TS]

01:08:57 ◼   ► string violin it is our it's that our [TS]

01:09:00 ◼   ► instruments the instrument of my uh my [TS]

01:09:04 ◼   ► people here in western China and it's [TS]

01:09:07 ◼   ► the you know it's it's our traditional [TS]

01:09:10 ◼   ► instrument and i am the master one [TS]

01:09:11 ◼   ► string violinist until very recently the [TS]

01:09:19 ◼   ► the response to that would have been to [TS]

01:09:22 ◼   ► give this guy show at carnegie hall or [TS]

01:09:24 ◼   ► or you know his record would be the new [TS]

01:09:26 ◼   ► NPR the kind of favorite or he would do [TS]

01:09:30 ◼   ► if he would do a world tour like look [TS]

01:09:31 ◼   ► what we found [TS]

01:09:33 ◼   ► look what what has been introduced to us [TS]

01:09:35 ◼   ► like you would have done something with [TS]

01:09:37 ◼   ► any better or if like when the monks [TS]

01:09:39 ◼   ► came to lollapalooza it would have been [TS]

01:09:40 ◼   ► some kind of like you know we're [TS]

01:09:42 ◼   ► sponsoring this culture [TS]

01:09:43 ◼   ► yeah look at this but this is this new [TS]

01:09:47 ◼   ► miley cyrus culture would just instantly [TS]

01:09:51 ◼   ► assimilate that may be like oh cool one [TS]

01:09:54 ◼   ► string violent guy you know like you're [TS]

01:09:58 ◼   ► his one string violin sound would be [TS]

01:10:02 ◼   ► automatically appropriated and like he [TS]

01:10:05 ◼   ► would he would get up and do a song with [TS]

01:10:07 ◼   ► miley cyrus but it wouldn't be like [TS]

01:10:09 ◼   ► they're what they wouldn't have that um [TS]

01:10:12 ◼   ► the reverence that we used to Accord [TS]

01:10:18 ◼   ► that kind of like here he is now going [TS]

01:10:20 ◼   ► to play his traditional music but [TS]

01:10:22 ◼   ► instead it would just be like that's a [TS]

01:10:23 ◼   ► cool sound that guy's cool looking [TS]

01:10:26 ◼   ► and in a way that's more I mean in a way [TS]

01:10:32 ◼   ► that just see that seems like a true [TS]

01:10:35 ◼   ► kind of globalism or like more in line [TS]

01:10:38 ◼   ► with the idea that all of humanity is [TS]

01:10:40 ◼   ► one that we are all on one course [TS]

01:10:44 ◼   ► together and that you know that I guess [TS]

01:10:48 ◼   ► that's my takeaway from this show is [TS]

01:10:50 ◼   ► like they're it [TS]

01:10:51 ◼   ► her message if there is one is that I [TS]

01:10:57 ◼   ► mean one planet one people almost and [TS]

01:11:01 ◼   ► and you should make some coffee job [TS]