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Roderick on the Line

Ep. 100: "Tertiary Lobster Fork"

 

00:00:00   hello hi John [TS]

00:00:07   I'm Merlin has gone good good good good [TS]

00:00:13   are you going [TS]

00:00:14   I didn't get hella have a dusky voice [TS]

00:00:17   from having cold [TS]

00:00:18   oh you doing a husky voice sound esky [TS]

00:00:20   you do you sound like a stage manager of [TS]

00:00:23   a southern theatre company [TS]

00:00:25   listen I'm glad y'all gonna be out here [TS]

00:00:27   we're gonna need to get them max and we [TS]

00:00:29   need to take a sweep out that whole area [TS]

00:00:31   for y'all get out there and sweep up [TS]

00:00:33   that whole area that take and take and I [TS]

00:00:37   I grew up did you do with that was that [TS]

00:00:39   in parlance when you were a child take [TS]

00:00:41   and take and is that purely a southern [TS]

00:00:43   nothing [TS]

00:00:44   yeah I don't know what that means a [TS]

00:00:45   unique you any you need well first of [TS]

00:00:48   all you always say you need to anything [TS]

00:00:49   you need to take move them boxes [TS]

00:00:51   otay can move the boxes no one here who [TS]

00:00:54   didn't speak that way up here i may just [TS]

00:00:57   do this all the time but my favorite is [TS]

00:00:59   the kind of southern family has a [TS]

00:01:01   voicemail desk like that but a little [TS]

00:01:02   bit of family [TS]

00:01:03   emily is permanently family now and not [TS]

00:01:06   its kind of Georgia think yeah right [TS]

00:01:09   sure that there's a there's that there's [TS]

00:01:10   that that southern there's that southern [TS]

00:01:13   twang that almost sounds like like [TS]

00:01:15   Brooklyn nasal you know yeah yeah yeahs [TS]

00:01:19   the it's it's it's sort of almost a [TS]

00:01:23   jersey squeak when you got me thinking [TS]

00:01:26   about this many many episodes ago [TS]

00:01:28   talking about how many have taking and [TS]

00:01:30   taking them [TS]

00:01:31   sorry I'm sec you got me thinking about [TS]

00:01:35   this with the number of people in the [TS]

00:01:37   South there from you know the British [TS]

00:01:39   Isles from Scotland right in Ireland and [TS]

00:01:42   now it's funny I do kind of notice the [TS]

00:01:46   similarities may be funded to have a [TS]

00:01:48   language person sit down taking taking [TS]

00:01:49   sit down with you and not be able to [TS]

00:01:52   illustrate those similarities i would [TS]

00:01:54   like to sit with a language person and [TS]

00:01:56   like taking sit and talk to take and sit [TS]

00:01:58   with the language person for a long time [TS]

00:02:01   i would love to talk to a language [TS]

00:02:03   person and I love language people you [TS]

00:02:05   know that harder [TS]

00:02:06   my mother the pedantic people that are [TS]

00:02:08   out there language people bother me in [TS]

00:02:10   the least [TS]

00:02:11   oh yeah the real language people mmm i [TS]

00:02:15   love language stuff I do too i really [TS]

00:02:17   like the language stuff i hope my [TS]

00:02:20   daughter loves words how could she not [TS]

00:02:23   well I am I don't even know the word [TS]

00:02:25   probably hyperlink google mega mega [TS]

00:02:29   lingual look it wasn't nice laminate [TS]

00:02:33   word for literally never stops talking [TS]

00:02:37   mondo Mart mondo verbal yeah you know [TS]

00:02:41   there's not that many things I I don't [TS]

00:02:42   really care how she turns out by a large [TS]

00:02:44   but I i hope that she hopes she likes [TS]

00:02:46   music and how she likes words [TS]

00:02:47   yeah we got a lot of words going on [TS]

00:02:49   around here we're trying to get wordy [TS]

00:02:51   were just kids were d is a worthy little [TS]

00:02:55   baby and we're trying to you know I one [TS]

00:02:57   of the things that one of the things [TS]

00:02:59   that made me who I am because that a [TS]

00:03:02   pretty young age I think probably like [TS]

00:03:06   pre memory i realized that [TS]

00:03:10   yeah they listening was was the secret [TS]

00:03:14   like listening [TS]

00:03:16   Oh overhearing adults like listening in [TS]

00:03:20   on adult conversations was going to be [TS]

00:03:23   the was going to be where all the real [TS]

00:03:25   information was exchanged you know and [TS]

00:03:28   so I was a not an eavesdropper but i [TS]

00:03:31   would your kid right nobody expects that [TS]

00:03:33   you know what's going on i would just go [TS]

00:03:34   sit on somebody's lap and just sit [TS]

00:03:36   quietly and listen to the adults talk [TS]

00:03:38   they kind of forget your they're [TS]

00:03:39   absolutely forget I think they get used [TS]

00:03:42   to i know this is true for me [TS]

00:03:43   we're like I think you get so used to [TS]

00:03:46   kick it with little kids when they hear [TS]

00:03:49   anything they start remarking on it or [TS]

00:03:51   they try to change the subject or they [TS]

00:03:52   wanna cookie or something for little [TS]

00:03:54   kids around it doesn't say anything they [TS]

00:03:55   could pick up a lot of information [TS]

00:03:57   well it worked for me until I was about [TS]

00:03:59   15 i will just come sit in the room and [TS]

00:04:01   sit quietly and listen to them and I you [TS]

00:04:04   know I I knew enough to know that my [TS]

00:04:08   contribution was not valued my is when [TS]

00:04:14   they were talking about politics or or [TS]

00:04:16   economics or something I died [TS]

00:04:18   don't have any doctor but I would just [TS]

00:04:19   sit and listen I listened until I [TS]

00:04:22   listened until I didn't understand and [TS]

00:04:24   then I listen more and so what I'm [TS]

00:04:26   trying I'm trying to impart that to my [TS]

00:04:28   daughter because it's a because it's the [TS]

00:04:30   core of my understanding of the world [TS]

00:04:32   right and my little girl right now [TS]

00:04:34   thinks that heard the first thought that [TS]

00:04:36   comes into her head is the most [TS]

00:04:37   important thought that anyone's ever had [TS]

00:04:39   and we could be you know we could be [TS]

00:04:41   standing in a house that's on fire [TS]

00:04:42   talking about exit routes and she would [TS]

00:04:46   say an orange is like an apple and I [TS]

00:04:49   think that that you know we should all [TS]

00:04:51   stop what we're doing and and and [TS]

00:04:53   appraise the wisdom of that idea so I'm [TS]

00:04:56   trying to explain to her but basically [TS]

00:04:58   through through enforcement but she [TS]

00:05:01   needs to shut up just shut up and listen [TS]

00:05:04   who but it's for her own good should get [TS]

00:05:07   a lot more intelligence that was right [TS]

00:05:08   you just after shall gather more [TS]

00:05:10   intelligence it's how you gather [TS]

00:05:12   intelligence refresh shut up i think [TS]

00:05:14   i've done that with well you know for [TS]

00:05:16   some reason don't think of Daniel [TS]

00:05:17   Plainview you know that movie can watch [TS]

00:05:19   because the music that with a little kid [TS]

00:05:22   and and whatever Daniel speaks his son [TS]

00:05:24   listens his son sits there in silence [TS]

00:05:26   and is clearly listening to everything [TS]

00:05:28   that he's saying a man that can imagine [TS]

00:05:31   have a little kid that would just sit [TS]

00:05:33   there and I certainly think about what [TS]

00:05:35   you had to say you know that's my dream [TS]

00:05:37   all i want to do is teach all i want to [TS]

00:05:40   do a child but right now she is [TS]

00:05:43   resistant to being educated by me which [TS]

00:05:46   is why I'm I'm well I'm taking my show [TS]

00:05:48   on the road [TS]

00:05:49   who gonna go teach the town it's about [TS]

00:05:52   something i heard about talk about that [TS]

00:05:53   yeah I I am i mean i i've said this with [TS]

00:05:56   em I want to say with Jasper truthfully [TS]

00:05:59   I you know when I say that my daughter I [TS]

00:06:01   don't know how to get her into the [TS]

00:06:03   please and thank you brute but i really [TS]

00:06:05   believe in the please and thank you root [TS]

00:06:07   it served me well i learned i think i [TS]

00:06:09   told you this at a young age it became [TS]

00:06:11   somewhat obsessed with etiquette [TS]

00:06:12   uh-huh and you know I was a very lonely [TS]

00:06:14   kid now would read any reference book [TS]

00:06:16   that I could put my hands on [TS]

00:06:17   did you read that Miss Manners now she's [TS]

00:06:20   a poser but that Miss Manners book that [TS]

00:06:22   first one she put out that's like that's [TS]

00:06:24   like six inches fat for me that was Amy [TS]

00:06:26   Vanderbilt o.a.r Evander bill yeah yeah [TS]

00:06:29   the week [TS]

00:06:30   advocate told you this was before I [TS]

00:06:32   think it's either Amy Vanderbilt or who [TS]

00:06:34   is the other really famous etiquette [TS]

00:06:35   person [TS]

00:06:36   well what's above yeah the other one [TS]

00:06:39   post Emily Post Emily Post we had a [TS]

00:06:42   hardcover etiquette book at our house I [TS]

00:06:45   don't know how my fat it's always [TS]

00:06:46   interesting to ponder like how anything [TS]

00:06:48   ended up in your family like sometimes [TS]

00:06:50   you look back you like what do we have [TS]

00:06:51   that in our house that's weird [TS]

00:06:52   and we have this book that was like you [TS]

00:06:54   say was it seriously was at least like [TS]

00:06:55   three-and-a-half inches thick [TS]

00:06:57   hardcover book from the early sixties [TS]

00:06:59   with illustrations by mr. andy warhol [TS]

00:07:00   interestingly know I really yeah yeah [TS]

00:07:03   backgrounds just an illustrator and but [TS]

00:07:05   i read that thing man [TS]

00:07:07   I I knew from tiny Forks you know I [TS]

00:07:10   don't know everything I knew about like [TS]

00:07:12   you do your IUD your napkin and fold in [TS]

00:07:15   half for dinner you folded in quarters [TS]

00:07:17   for lunch and you all this stuff [TS]

00:07:18   backwards and forwards you know like you [TS]

00:07:20   I knew how to make a UH Hospital corners [TS]

00:07:22   on a bed that's right you all this stuff [TS]

00:07:24   when I was like nine got weird you have [TS]

00:07:26   to know how to make Hospital corners if [TS]

00:07:27   you're ever going to learn to [TS]

00:07:28   short-sheet about see nobody gets their [TS]

00:07:30   bed short-sheeted anymore and I think [TS]

00:07:32   something's lost people don't understand [TS]

00:07:34   education is not a buffet you have to go [TS]

00:07:38   in and work through the courses you can [TS]

00:07:40   start with the forks on the outside you [TS]

00:07:41   move in that education works [TS]

00:07:43   you understand that reference i can help [TS]

00:07:44   you looking at my looking at my [TS]

00:07:45   bookshelf right here next to my desk i [TS]

00:07:48   have here the there the first four books [TS]

00:07:51   of the New York Times guide to essential [TS]

00:07:54   knowledge who which is a 3-inch wide [TS]

00:07:57   book the second book the and Landers [TS]

00:07:59   encyclopedia [TS]

00:08:01   haha whoa is that you need a little [TS]

00:08:03   guidance is good at index and Landers [TS]

00:08:06   encyclopedia a to z and this book was [TS]

00:08:09   published in 1978 cock stone-cutting [TS]

00:08:13   page 128 a busy as you know up to [TS]

00:08:17   nineteen seventy-eight the second or the [TS]

00:08:19   third book is the readers encyclopedia [TS]

00:08:21   edited by william rose [TS]

00:08:24   uh what is his name of william rose [TS]

00:08:29   bennett and then the the fourth book I [TS]

00:08:30   swear to you my friend is Miss Manners [TS]

00:08:33   guide to excruciating Lee correct [TS]

00:08:35   behavior nice [TS]

00:08:37   and you know Miss Manners sure she she [TS]

00:08:41   was a she was a you know what just ice [TS]

00:08:43   and come lately i spoke I spoken [TS]

00:08:45   advisedly and for that i apologize i've [TS]

00:08:48   always enjoyed her most on talk shows I [TS]

00:08:50   thought she was a wonderful talk show [TS]

00:08:51   guest [TS]

00:08:51   she's a very witty writer and she makes [TS]

00:08:54   a proxy to she's pretty foxy and she [TS]

00:08:56   makes the she makes the etiquette seem a [TS]

00:09:00   mission its it goes down with this spoon [TS]

00:09:03   full of sugar and she can but she can be [TS]

00:09:05   a bitch to and that the game man [TS]

00:09:10   don't hate the player you know you would [TS]

00:09:13   think in high school that I would have [TS]

00:09:14   been sitting around just learning to [TS]

00:09:16   roll doobies and and flicking my [TS]

00:09:19   switchblade into a log but in fact you [TS]

00:09:23   would think i was reading Miss Manners [TS]

00:09:26   appreciating me correct bigger [TS]

00:09:28   front-to-back I find those books [TS]

00:09:30   extremely calming I think I used to [TS]

00:09:32   really like because it might somewhat [TS]

00:09:34   turbulent and we're childhood I i think [TS]

00:09:37   i really enjoyed things like the Brady [TS]

00:09:39   Bunch as a cultural touchstone and i [TS]

00:09:41   enjoyed reference books i enjoyed things [TS]

00:09:43   that showed that there was a gentle [TS]

00:09:46   order to life [TS]

00:09:47   yes yeah I really really did I think I [TS]

00:09:50   still part of me that looks at that [TS]

00:09:52   doesn't just kind of calculator honestly [TS]

00:09:53   there's a part of me that says like wow [TS]

00:09:55   you know ideologies to really work for [TS]

00:09:57   us well in the sense that like the sense [TS]

00:10:00   that Miss Manners had which was like oh [TS]

00:10:02   dear oh my dear did you really just fold [TS]

00:10:08   your napkin across your did you really [TS]

00:10:11   just tuck your napkin into your shirt [TS]

00:10:12   oh oh darling and she could just hear [TS]

00:10:16   her like gently like and I don't think [TS]

00:10:20   she would even reach out and take the [TS]

00:10:21   napkin away herself she would always [TS]

00:10:23   keep her hands to herself but she would [TS]

00:10:26   just indicate to you she is the napkin [TS]

00:10:28   tongue that was provided shape and and [TS]

00:10:31   the feeling like oh there's a right way [TS]

00:10:33   there's a right way the wrong way and [TS]

00:10:35   and like [TS]

00:10:38   I i was sitting up at a fancy dinner the [TS]

00:10:40   other day and I had my elbow on the [TS]

00:10:42   table [TS]

00:10:43   all I still felt that when i do that [TS]

00:10:44   stuff and I LT and I felt bad I felt bad [TS]

00:10:48   and then i realized that i was i was [TS]

00:10:52   going to keep my elbow there i was going [TS]

00:10:54   to keep it there knowingly foo and I [TS]

00:10:57   because because i had a mind to and that [TS]

00:11:05   if there was you know if there was any [TS]

00:11:07   rogue at this dinner party who could [TS]

00:11:10   have a mind to keep his elbow on the [TS]

00:11:12   table it was gonna be me but you had to [TS]

00:11:15   know you didn't i mean i had a [TS]

00:11:17   constellation of of thoughts rolling [TS]

00:11:20   through my head and that you know that i [TS]

00:11:23   was somewhat playing the ribbon [TS]

00:11:26   riverboat captain by putting my elbow up [TS]

00:11:29   there and leaving it there and that the [TS]

00:11:32   problem was there was no one else in the [TS]

00:11:34   room that was even that could even tisk [TS]

00:11:37   tisk at me so I was making appreciate [TS]

00:11:39   what a what a subtle key that was for [TS]

00:11:41   you to make that shits decision to have [TS]

00:11:43   a mind to put 100 up there [TS]

00:11:45   no I was your ID as man you know exactly [TS]

00:11:47   what you're doing exactly i was dying to [TS]

00:11:49   be tisk tisk by somebody so that i could [TS]

00:11:52   twirl the end of my mustache and like [TS]

00:11:56   dip dip my white dinner jacket in the [TS]

00:11:59   consomm√© but no-one tisk tisk to this [TS]

00:12:04   is sickening [TS]

00:12:04   no one knows up there's no one knows no [TS]

00:12:06   one knows that you're doing that you're [TS]

00:12:07   sure that you're playing at social [TS]

00:12:10   social cultural mores no one even knows [TS]

00:12:12   that anymore [TS]

00:12:13   you can't even if you can't even respond [TS]

00:12:15   stuff because nobody nobody knows the [TS]

00:12:17   tune okay i'm gonna give you and give [TS]

00:12:19   you two bullets on this and this side I [TS]

00:12:21   honestly feel that I should feel [TS]

00:12:23   terrible about having said this bullet [TS]

00:12:25   number 12 my daughter but it's really [TS]

00:12:26   true which is first of all the please [TS]

00:12:28   and thank you think it's such a simple [TS]

00:12:31   bit of social lubricant and nobody no [TS]

00:12:35   matter what even if you're being like a [TS]

00:12:37   a photo civil British person like it's [TS]

00:12:40   still nice to say please and thank you [TS]

00:12:42   it's not just call someone sir or ma'am [TS]

00:12:45   or miss or something that gets really [TS]

00:12:46   really nice but I've told you the truth [TS]

00:12:47   I said I said you know Ellie you will [TS]

00:12:50   get away with so much in life if you can [TS]

00:12:53   learn to genuinely say please and thank [TS]

00:12:55   you for things because people if you [TS]

00:12:56   want something done ask for it as a [TS]

00:12:57   favor and somebody's much more likely to [TS]

00:12:59   do it could you please pass me the salt [TS]

00:13:01   it sounds so much better than give me [TS]

00:13:03   the salt and really does [TS]

00:13:04   that's that's I mean and you know I mean [TS]

00:13:06   truthfully I think it's just something [TS]

00:13:08   it's going to be a while before she [TS]

00:13:09   learns that that's just a nice thing to [TS]

00:13:11   do and that she'll appreciate it too and [TS]

00:13:13   it but you know honestly you'd get away [TS]

00:13:15   with a lot but bullet number two this is [TS]

00:13:18   huge and I did not get this I i was [TS]

00:13:20   looking through I was like I know you're [TS]

00:13:22   a Buddhist it was like looking through [TS]

00:13:24   the text you know I i'm looking for the [TS]

00:13:26   part about how to lose my ego but not [TS]

00:13:27   learning that the real point that the [TS]

00:13:30   brutal Battle my boot of them [TS]

00:13:32   that's right that's what is that number [TS]

00:13:33   12 wrong 12 huh [TS]

00:13:36   I look there get him up there looking [TS]

00:13:37   back don't talk about bike club that's [TS]

00:13:39   number 16 there are no harmony but uh [TS]

00:13:43   this is Africa where i first read this [TS]

00:13:46   but I promise is one of those things [TS]

00:13:47   that probably had to read 11 times [TS]

00:13:49   before really sunk in and this is what [TS]

00:13:51   makes with Judith Judith manners [TS]

00:13:53   what's-her-name you know the leading up [TS]

00:13:55   yeah miss manners but dude Martin cheers [TS]

00:13:57   me up you're just matters is that you [TS]

00:13:59   learn that the point of etiquette [TS]

00:14:01   I'm going to say this slowly and [TS]

00:14:02   carefully even though I know you know [TS]

00:14:03   this for our listeners the point of [TS]

00:14:06   etiquette is not to be fancy [TS]

00:14:08   it's not to be prescriptive it's not to [TS]

00:14:11   have a bunch of rules for no reason [TS]

00:14:12   other than to try and make people feel [TS]

00:14:14   bad no quite the contrary and take it [TS]

00:14:16   exists to make true etiquette when you [TS]

00:14:19   get down to the real like like black [TS]

00:14:22   diamond level of etiquette [TS]

00:14:23   it's not about rules it's about doing [TS]

00:14:25   everything you can to make other people [TS]

00:14:27   feel comfortable [TS]

00:14:28   that's right and that's what people [TS]

00:14:30   don't understand if all they do is read [TS]

00:14:32   the rules and correct people on whether [TS]

00:14:33   using the right tertiary lobster fork [TS]

00:14:36   then they're missing the point the point [TS]

00:14:37   is not to make somebody feel bad about [TS]

00:14:39   their fork [TS]

00:14:39   the point is to now we know that at this [TS]

00:14:41   point in the meal if we've all read the [TS]

00:14:42   same book we know which ones that these [TS]

00:14:44   to use and we we can enjoy this but [TS]

00:14:46   ultimately it's not making somebody feel [TS]

00:14:47   welcome and not make it a big deal [TS]

00:14:49   even you know [TS]

00:14:50   even if they put a glass in your table [TS]

00:14:51   is not a coaster like find a way to make [TS]

00:14:53   them feel at ease about that you can [TS]

00:14:55   make them feel at ease but you're both [TS]

00:14:56   trying to make each other feel at ease [TS]

00:14:58   and that's what etiquette is that it [TS]

00:15:00   that is the that is the judo of Miss [TS]

00:15:02   Manners because I was trying to get out [TS]

00:15:05   of a second ago [TS]

00:15:06   not only was she not reach out to end [TS]

00:15:09   and like touch your napkin but she would [TS]

00:15:11   she would see would somehow make it seem [TS]

00:15:15   like a your idea and that she that you [TS]

00:15:19   know that she was there to help you or [TS]

00:15:21   she was there to the as you're saying [TS]

00:15:23   make it easier gently got my toward this [TS]

00:15:27   thing that's very sensible get you a [TS]

00:15:28   coaster [TS]

00:15:29   oh let me help you you know she it's a [TS]

00:15:32   varied it's a very gentle but firm kind [TS]

00:15:36   of knowledge of the way things are and [TS]

00:15:38   you're right it's like it's like the [TS]

00:15:40   rules of language with this debate is [TS]

00:15:42   happening all the time why why it [TS]

00:15:45   doesn't language why does an English now [TS]

00:15:47   just become a free-for-all why why do we [TS]

00:15:50   follow these archaic grammar and [TS]

00:15:52   spelling rules wide why don't be [TS]

00:15:55   everybody just be talking how they like [TS]

00:15:57   be and you know of course i am on the [TS]

00:16:02   side of I am on the side like like the [TS]

00:16:05   members of the french academy i believe [TS]

00:16:07   that the language evolved just fine [TS]

00:16:10   right up until the point that i decided [TS]

00:16:12   that it should stop the who but no i [TS]

00:16:14   mean i love i love the evolution of [TS]

00:16:16   English but the core rules [TS]

00:16:19   I adhere to and I espouse yep and I mean [TS]

00:16:25   I think we can all anybody you know is [TS]

00:16:28   done a little bit of book-learning may [TS]

00:16:30   even been to college will appreciate the [TS]

00:16:31   fact that the language evolves it always [TS]

00:16:33   has evolved it will evolve but you know [TS]

00:16:35   II it let's put it in the simplest way [TS]

00:16:37   possible [TS]

00:16:38   it's nice to know the rules before you [TS]

00:16:40   break them and its really nice to know [TS]

00:16:42   the rules before you unknowingly break [TS]

00:16:43   them because all the older I get and the [TS]

00:16:46   more I don't always speak with precision [TS]

00:16:49   but when I do speak with precision and [TS]

00:16:51   helps me think with precision because [TS]

00:16:53   words mean things and this these five [TS]

00:16:56   words that people use almost [TS]

00:16:57   interchangeably really mean different [TS]

00:17:00   things and the subtlety of the [TS]

00:17:02   differences in their me [TS]

00:17:03   thing is really amplified when you use [TS]

00:17:04   them correctly somebody something that [TS]

00:17:07   is I think it really does matter it [TS]

00:17:08   doesn't matter [TS]

00:17:09   somebody asked me the other day you know [TS]

00:17:11   i'm somewhat not notorious but it [TS]

00:17:14   Phyllis naughty not even infamous but [TS]

00:17:17   there-there water but they don't even [TS]

00:17:19   think lauded that I there are three to [TS]

00:17:22   five percent of the words in English [TS]

00:17:26   that I pretty clearly mispronounced and [TS]

00:17:33   someone said to me the other day like [TS]

00:17:37   you always say that word wrong and you [TS]

00:17:41   know that it's wrong because like other [TS]

00:17:46   people have surely corrected you why do [TS]

00:17:50   you do it [TS]

00:17:50   why do you still say that and so many [TS]

00:17:53   other words like wrong and I thought [TS]

00:17:59   about it and I said well I do not prefer [TS]

00:18:02   the way that everyone else pronounces it [TS]

00:18:04   and and she said but I mean that's how [TS]

00:18:11   it's pronounced and I said but I'd I [TS]

00:18:13   just don't prefer it be something [TS]

00:18:16   borrowed the equal a little bit at the [TS]

00:18:18   word she was referring to was the word [TS]

00:18:21   that everyone I guess agrees is [TS]

00:18:24   pronounced comely her which I do not [TS]

00:18:28   prefer i prefer to say calmly she sounds [TS]

00:18:33   much nicer she's a comb lee young woman [TS]

00:18:35   comely does not sound like a compliment [TS]

00:18:38   come way is a disgusting word coldly is [TS]

00:18:42   a beautiful work and it is not a comely [TS]

00:18:46   young woman selling the victim of [TS]

00:18:47   unexpected bukkake that's right a comb [TS]

00:18:50   lee young woman is the opposite of a [TS]

00:18:52   homely young woman she's calmly that's [TS]

00:18:56   good and that it is how I've always [TS]

00:18:58   preferred it is your prerogative and [TS]

00:19:01   that's right and so and so when people [TS]

00:19:03   say comely i flinch a little roux and [TS]

00:19:07   when I say calmly it usually like around [TS]

00:19:11   and this is the problem because around [TS]

00:19:14   the room it takes people a second [TS]

00:19:16   to figure out what i'm saying let the [TS]

00:19:21   guys they gotta think a little piglets [TS]

00:19:23   right that's a little mobile forgive me [TS]

00:19:25   I made you think a little bit and so my [TS]

00:19:28   hat there are so many words like that in [TS]

00:19:30   my like private lexicon that I just [TS]

00:19:34   mispronounced because my pronunciation [TS]

00:19:38   is the one I prefer yeah I i can't [TS]

00:19:41   remember if I invented this probably [TS]

00:19:43   hurt read this somewhere grudge [TS]

00:19:44   pronouncing em hard to see you [TS]

00:19:46   oh you're very good at that I think I [TS]

00:19:49   care of some things that I will always [TS]

00:19:52   say a certain way and I'm happy that [TS]

00:19:53   other people are starting to to pick it [TS]

00:19:55   up [TS]

00:19:55   artisanal are saying I don't know it's a [TS]

00:19:58   artisinal that's just that's that's [TS]

00:19:59   that's that's disgusting [TS]

00:20:01   are you saying that it's not artisinal [TS]

00:20:03   it all baked goods artisinal otherwise [TS]

00:20:05   it wouldn't be baked goods what was [TS]

00:20:06   wrong with you know I really you you've [TS]

00:20:09   hired artisans is that what you did you [TS]

00:20:11   hired an artisan know you never hire [TS]

00:20:13   nervous and you know you hired some you [TS]

00:20:15   got to come in and make your buns [TS]

00:20:16   you don't know what an artisans there we [TS]

00:20:18   don't know it feels themselves that's [TS]

00:20:20   right it's like you can call yourself a [TS]

00:20:21   poet you can see you're right verse but [TS]

00:20:23   should never say you write poetry [TS]

00:20:24   yeah let your teacher let your teacher [TS]

00:20:27   praised you don't press yourself [TS]

00:20:29   yes you know what we should write a book [TS]

00:20:31   John I don't want to make a big deal [TS]

00:20:32   about it but I'm just saying there's a [TS]

00:20:34   lot of ways that we can help people but [TS]

00:20:36   what I don't understand for my as far as [TS]

00:20:38   i can tell from my whole life i have [TS]

00:20:39   said saw Squatch that's it that is the [TS]

00:20:43   received pronunciation that i received [TS]

00:20:45   sauce one Sasquatch during that during [TS]

00:20:48   the Bigfoot during the Bigfoot flare-ups [TS]

00:20:50   in the sounds of the seventies Bigfoot [TS]

00:20:52   flare-ups that's right there had been [TS]

00:20:54   Bigfoot's before big feet before [TS]

00:20:56   sorry bro she might think it's big speed [TS]

00:20:58   big it's pig's feet justice gentle [TS]

00:21:01   person [TS]

00:21:02   Bigfoot's big feets with had been seen [TS]

00:21:05   historically and then there was a rash [TS]

00:21:07   there was a rash there was a there was a [TS]

00:21:09   rash their members and underage boys in [TS]

00:21:11   search of in search of hundred percent [TS]

00:21:13   with the Bigfoot screaming in the dark [TS]

00:21:15   and now the screen out that it was like [TS]

00:21:17   the Bigfoot Bigfoot that with the blurry [TS]

00:21:19   footage that's that's in Washington [TS]

00:21:20   right yeah that's in Washington say we [TS]

00:21:22   have a lot of Bigfoot here big feets [TS]

00:21:24   persons [TS]

00:21:25   and and so I always said sasquatch [TS]

00:21:29   yeah but apparently somewhere along the [TS]

00:21:33   line everyone else in the world agreed [TS]

00:21:35   that it's pronounced Sasquatch which i [TS]

00:21:37   think is a terrible terrible [TS]

00:21:39   pronunciation sasquatch [TS]

00:21:41   it's vulgar Sasquatch comely Sasquatch [TS]

00:21:45   it's it's a saw Squatch saw Squatch it's [TS]

00:21:48   not so much prettier [TS]

00:21:49   isn't that Muhammad delicious soft [TS]

00:21:51   cheese wouldn't you rather be a [TS]

00:21:53   Sasquatch of the Sasquatch and what I [TS]

00:21:56   can [TS]

00:21:56   what about words were losing like [TS]

00:21:58   niggardly this very very difficult to [TS]

00:22:01   get away with niggardly today [TS]

00:22:02   well yeah the problem is that it that [TS]

00:22:04   it's a word that it's a great word that [TS]

00:22:06   so many dummies have have so many [TS]

00:22:11   dummies have blanched at it that the [TS]

00:22:13   people in between the non dummies who [TS]

00:22:16   know what the word means still feel it [TS]

00:22:19   since India airy because non dummies [TS]

00:22:22   have made a practice of worrying about [TS]

00:22:24   what dummies think this is this is the [TS]

00:22:27   book this is that like half the problem [TS]

00:22:28   with the modern age they're all these [TS]

00:22:30   middle these middle non dummies who are [TS]

00:22:33   who are like walking around on pins and [TS]

00:22:35   needles because some dummy might [TS]

00:22:37   misunderstand just to capture as well i [TS]

00:22:39   think that one appendix in our book is [TS]

00:22:41   definitely going to be the taxonomy of [TS]

00:22:42   dummies [TS]

00:22:43   oh it's going to be like a big pyramid [TS]

00:22:45   we could go on and on about dummies but [TS]

00:22:47   it used to be this is the thing [TS]

00:22:49   middle-middle let's call the middle [TS]

00:22:52   dummies middle dummies used to aspire to [TS]

00:22:58   attract the the praise of non dummies [TS]

00:23:03   and now middle dummies only inspire our [TS]

00:23:09   middle name is now only act in fear of [TS]

00:23:12   like a and in fear of the dummies you [TS]

00:23:18   see what I'm saying I think so yeah I'm [TS]

00:23:20   not really explaining it very well but [TS]

00:23:21   it used to be that the middle that the [TS]

00:23:22   middlebrow aspired to the highbrow and [TS]

00:23:25   neither one concern themselves at all [TS]

00:23:28   with the lowbrow but now the lowbrow [TS]

00:23:31   dominates and the middlebrow is is on [TS]

00:23:34   pins and needles at the prospect of [TS]

00:23:36   offending the lowbrow [TS]

00:23:38   so they did they devote all their energy [TS]

00:23:40   because you know that because the [TS]

00:23:42   highbrows out of fashion the highbrow [TS]

00:23:44   has all these overtures of are all these [TS]

00:23:47   a like these like native negative [TS]

00:23:52   connotations of exclusivity and wealth [TS]

00:23:59   and and privilege that there is a [TS]

00:24:02   privilege [TS]

00:24:03   yeah but also warring with the middle [TS]

00:24:07   dummy middlebrow thinking I kind of want [TS]

00:24:09   to appear a little fancy made me so I'm [TS]

00:24:14   when I want using middle-middle would [TS]

00:24:16   save middle dummies middle brother [TS]

00:24:18   Tommy's I think of like what's a good [TS]

00:24:20   example were coming [TS]

00:24:21   um who shall attend the opening of the [TS]

00:24:28   rectory [TS]

00:24:29   yeah whom shall with Margaret and I was [TS]

00:24:33   like well you got like three problems in [TS]

00:24:36   that one like there's there's like goes [TS]

00:24:37   several different things in that [TS]

00:24:39   sentence that didn't really need to be [TS]

00:24:40   that way I really feel like home shell [TS]

00:24:42   would be a great DJ named DJ DJ whom [TS]

00:24:46   shall yeah lets you know I've never been [TS]

00:24:50   worried about fancy you know like fancy [TS]

00:24:53   is this and I think that this goes back [TS]

00:24:55   to the to what you were talking about [TS]

00:24:56   before the the great influx of Irish [TS]

00:24:59   into Appalachia like there's uh there's [TS]

00:25:03   all this appellation worry about about [TS]

00:25:06   being too big for your britches this [TS]

00:25:08   sort of Nashville concern that you not [TS]

00:25:11   act above your station and that has the [TS]

00:25:17   the whole class structure that that used [TS]

00:25:19   to be a part of is gone now and there's [TS]

00:25:21   just this this residual sort of grease [TS]

00:25:25   stain in the culture of of uh of of a [TS]

00:25:31   feeling that that that that lines up [TS]

00:25:33   with all these other aspects of the [TS]

00:25:34   culture where the lower the the lower [TS]

00:25:38   and the cruder is considered more real [TS]

00:25:41   the more the more vulgar is the reeler [TS]

00:25:45   oh yeah yeah because it's it's the [TS]

00:25:46   language of the quote-unquote people is [TS]

00:25:49   closer to the truth and it's not trying [TS]

00:25:52   to cover up half-truths with with fancy [TS]

00:25:55   words right and so that has that has [TS]

00:25:58   this false friend in a in a kind of like [TS]

00:26:03   in the humility or the you know that the [TS]

00:26:06   desire not to be a not to brag or to be [TS]

00:26:11   sure to put on airs and that the the [TS]

00:26:15   false friendship with with the idea that [TS]

00:26:18   vulgarity is closer to truth has [TS]

00:26:20   produced a culture wide sense that that [TS]

00:26:27   we should I mean seriously that people [TS]

00:26:29   should be a flying in their pajamas [TS]

00:26:31   which is which is as you know that the [TS]

00:26:35   beginning of the end and I'm speaking [TS]

00:26:37   now as a as the the human envoy for the [TS]

00:26:40   UFOs yeah yeah somebody who gets gets [TS]

00:26:43   out of the shuttle to the airport [TS]

00:26:46   vehicle with the buckwheat pillow [TS]

00:26:48   already around the neck you know that's [TS]

00:26:50   that does not this is not a society that [TS]

00:26:53   is ready for any kind of serious [TS]

00:26:55   advancement [TS]

00:26:55   yeah no not at all because these are [TS]

00:26:57   people who are who one of these days are [TS]

00:27:00   going to go through airport security and [TS]

00:27:02   it's going to that it's going to just [TS]

00:27:04   direct them right into the Soylent Green [TS]

00:27:05   grinder [TS]

00:27:07   I used to think it was just peculiar to [TS]

00:27:10   this show that you would talk about the [TS]

00:27:12   airport security locking but I'm [TS]

00:27:13   starting to think that that whatever [TS]

00:27:16   comes from the supertrain generation [TS]

00:27:18   there's going to be something involving [TS]

00:27:19   something like the TSA line because that [TS]

00:27:22   seems to me that that is the nexus for [TS]

00:27:24   everything that drives you crazy about [TS]

00:27:25   the contract they are tits it's just [TS]

00:27:27   like it's just like the walgreen [TS]

00:27:28   situation they're training us they're [TS]

00:27:32   training us through this gradual [TS]

00:27:33   increase in indignity to just go into [TS]

00:27:36   the hopper just go through the the [TS]

00:27:39   branding cage into the you know they're [TS]

00:27:42   just feeding us through what one after [TS]

00:27:45   another and now they're looking at [TS]

00:27:46   x-rays of us naked and we just we just [TS]

00:27:49   say okay and then that's great stranding [TS]

00:27:52   cage and the indignity has become [TS]

00:27:53   patriotic absolutely and then pretty [TS]

00:27:55   soon after the after that after the [TS]

00:27:59   x-ray they're going to have us [TS]

00:28:01   walkthrough a darkened tunnel [TS]

00:28:03   just a short dark and Tommy will be able [TS]

00:28:05   to see the end and then pretty soon it's [TS]

00:28:07   gonna get a little bit longer that's [TS]

00:28:08   gonna have a turn it so you can't see [TS]

00:28:10   the light at the end but it's ok you can [TS]

00:28:11   trust us like I've got a temple grandin [TS]

00:28:13   think that we just have to send you [TS]

00:28:15   through this dark tunnel that has a turn [TS]

00:28:16   halfway through and then at a certain [TS]

00:28:18   point the turn is going to get closer so [TS]

00:28:21   it's you're gonna have to you're gonna [TS]

00:28:22   have to get through a little like little [TS]

00:28:25   gate or a little kind of like [TS]

00:28:26   uncomfortable squeeze in the middle [TS]

00:28:29   that's right the Patriot tunnel has two [TS]

00:28:31   let's find that your address the [TS]

00:28:32   problems with terrorism [TS]

00:28:33   that's what we have to do and then one [TS]

00:28:35   day you're going to turn your squeeze [TS]

00:28:37   through that little gap and turn the [TS]

00:28:38   corner right into the right into the saw [TS]

00:28:41   blades don't call it an abattoir that's [TS]

00:28:43   a little too fancy [TS]

00:28:46   it's called it's a freedom knife room [TS]

00:28:50   right into the saw blades I elected to [TS]

00:28:53   have a pat-down search the other day [TS]

00:28:55   nice and it was so invasive and and [TS]

00:29:02   characterized by a kind of like finality [TS]

00:29:06   like I said alright I'm you know what [TS]

00:29:09   I'm not going to go through your x-ray [TS]

00:29:10   machine I'm i gotta i'm on a layover [TS]

00:29:12   here I got three hours to kill [TS]

00:29:14   I'm going to see what this i'm going to [TS]

00:29:15   get the pat-down how do you like them [TS]

00:29:17   apples right and so the first thing they [TS]

00:29:20   do is kind of trying to dissuade you [TS]

00:29:22   like oh it's gonna be a long time so [TS]

00:29:27   yeah I know it's gonna be a long time [TS]

00:29:28   like I'm I'm i got all the time in the [TS]

00:29:31   world [TS]

00:29:32   you guys put your leather gloves on and [TS]

00:29:34   let's go and so then they assure you [TS]

00:29:37   through the little gate and they hold [TS]

00:29:39   you over on the side while all the other [TS]

00:29:40   people go by and I'm standing there with [TS]

00:29:42   a kind of superior look on my face like [TS]

00:29:43   I got the time [TS]

00:29:45   let's go through the pat down and then [TS]

00:29:49   here comes the guy and he's talking to [TS]

00:29:51   somebody across the room and he puts his [TS]

00:29:54   puts his plastic gloves on and then he [TS]

00:29:58   starts giving you a full-on fucking pat [TS]

00:30:00   down like he doesn't do that date rape [TS]

00:30:04   the explanation usually do the date-rape [TS]

00:30:07   the explanation likes or I'm going to be [TS]

00:30:09   formally touching your generals yeah [TS]

00:30:12   right i'm gonna run the back of my hand [TS]

00:30:14   across your anus [TS]

00:30:15   maybe some of that but I mean like right [TS]

00:30:18   away they go into your pants now right [TS]

00:30:20   don't go into your pants a little bit [TS]

00:30:21   they do and right away I regretted I [TS]

00:30:26   regretted coming over like this was so [TS]

00:30:28   much more vulgar then what and then [TS]

00:30:32   whatever year of my life i'm going to [TS]

00:30:35   lose by being irritated by a teenager [TS]

00:30:37   operating a machine made by Halliburton [TS]

00:30:41   and sold to the government you know 450 [TS]

00:30:45   times but its list price should be right [TS]

00:30:48   but this guy you know some dope is just [TS]

00:30:51   like he's just pressing on me in a way [TS]

00:30:55   that is transparently unnecessary like [TS]

00:30:59   honestly I'm you know like I understand [TS]

00:31:04   that that you have to do it because [TS]

00:31:06   people could self-select and then be [TS]

00:31:09   covered with plastic explosives but like [TS]

00:31:13   this is a that there's a punitive aspect [TS]

00:31:17   to the way that they do it like it is [TS]

00:31:18   clearly punishment meant to dissuade you [TS]

00:31:22   from ever doing this again yeah if the [TS]

00:31:25   kurt vonnegut alien were to like write a [TS]

00:31:26   paragraph on what he or she alien was [TS]

00:31:29   seeing they would basically say that [TS]

00:31:31   they're there is a system that is in [TS]

00:31:32   place to make sure that everybody will [TS]

00:31:34   follow in a necessary rule and anybody [TS]

00:31:36   who doesn't follow the unnecessary rule [TS]

00:31:38   will be made uncomfortable in front of [TS]

00:31:40   other people for not following a [TS]

00:31:41   necessary role that's what it really [TS]

00:31:42   looks super super uncomfortable and you [TS]

00:31:44   know I like spent the rest of the [TS]

00:31:46   afternoon [TS]

00:31:46   kind of like a fugitive Edward punitive [TS]

00:31:48   it's it really it really feels like [TS]

00:31:50   we're going to make an example of you go [TS]

00:31:52   away some of your time you know how you [TS]

00:31:54   can eat this is for me to be so much [TS]

00:31:55   easier if you just go through the porno [TS]

00:31:57   scanner but now i'm gonna make this a [TS]

00:31:58   little uncomfortable for you but not [TS]

00:32:00   uncomfortable enough that like it's [TS]

00:32:01   actionable it's going to just be really [TS]

00:32:03   humiliating for you so I'm traveling [TS]

00:32:05   with my family of the day and I had [TS]

00:32:08   encouraged them all to get get the [TS]

00:32:12   pre-check card back when I believe that [TS]

00:32:14   there was any value to the pre check on [TS]

00:32:16   this story on another ship tell this is [TS]

00:32:20   where you go John has been approved for [TS]

00:32:22   black diamond lane [TS]

00:32:23   yeah and we get to the airport and we [TS]

00:32:26   print out our tickets were all traveling [TS]

00:32:27   together we're sitting next to each [TS]

00:32:28   other now [TS]

00:32:29   there's four of us and two of the people [TS]

00:32:33   have pre check on the top of their [TS]

00:32:36   ticket but I and my three-year-old [TS]

00:32:39   daughter do not have pre-check and so we [TS]

00:32:43   get to the we get to the woman at the [TS]

00:32:47   security desk and she points half of our [TS]

00:32:53   party down the pre-check lane and half [TS]

00:32:56   of our party into the other leg and I [TS]

00:32:58   said you know we're all traveling [TS]

00:32:59   together and she said doesn't matter and [TS]

00:33:02   I said you know this is a three-year-old [TS]

00:33:04   girl like do you honestly believe that I [TS]

00:33:11   would I mean is there a terrorist in the [TS]

00:33:13   world who would who would take his [TS]

00:33:18   three-year-old as a as a false as a [TS]

00:33:21   false flag as a as a beard a bomb beard [TS]

00:33:24   three-year-old baby that this person has [TS]

00:33:29   already their mind is already shut off [TS]

00:33:32   sir I'm gonna get this individual to [TS]

00:33:34   move out of the pre-check lane now and [TS]

00:33:36   so you know so right away you're just [TS]

00:33:38   you're in the hopper and if you make any [TS]

00:33:41   fuss about it you just it's there's only [TS]

00:33:43   one option which is that you don't fly [TS]

00:33:45   today like the police come because [TS]

00:33:48   either you acquiesce or you don't fly [TS]

00:33:53   and we get all the way you know what I'm [TS]

00:33:55   standing there and I'm like taking my [TS]

00:33:57   belt off and i'm taking my wallet out [TS]

00:34:00   and I'm just feeling like so much i'm [TS]

00:34:05   just feeling that that perfect storm of [TS]

00:34:07   resentment and frustration and Bend [TS]

00:34:12   powerlessness little bit of resignation [TS]

00:34:14   well but i can't succumb to resignation [TS]

00:34:17   that's that is the that is the flaw in [TS]

00:34:19   me I mean the word the word that comes [TS]

00:34:22   to mind this is not a word that i use [TS]

00:34:23   lightly because it the connotations but [TS]

00:34:25   i think it's it's frankly depressing [TS]

00:34:27   it makes me depressed it makes me [TS]

00:34:28   depressed how much clothing I have to [TS]

00:34:30   take off to go get on a plane and then [TS]

00:34:33   stand there in and get dressed in front [TS]

00:34:35   of other people I'm not like a modest [TS]

00:34:36   person but there's something actually [TS]

00:34:38   depressing to me that this is this is [TS]

00:34:39   what it's come to [TS]

00:34:40   it's deeply depressing and and and it is [TS]

00:34:43   and he you sit there and you feel like [TS]

00:34:45   you could not you could not design a [TS]

00:34:50   system that is more sort of like it's [TS]

00:34:55   just the lowest level of the basement [TS]

00:34:58   right you can't complain about it [TS]

00:35:00   because it's such a low level it's such [TS]

00:35:04   a like mild shock you can't really [TS]

00:35:08   enlist I mean even the fact that you and [TS]

00:35:11   I are devoting this much time to talk [TS]

00:35:12   about it [TS]

00:35:13   there will be a certain number of people [TS]

00:35:15   who roll their eyes and say whatever [TS]

00:35:19   firstworldproblems whatever [TS]

00:35:20   yeah people who don't travel yeah wh-who [TS]

00:35:23   like to say first world problems in [TS]

00:35:25   response to things that they don't want [TS]

00:35:27   to think about but like culturally to [TS]

00:35:31   have arrived at a place where there is [TS]

00:35:34   no there is no way that you can assure [TS]

00:35:38   the world you cannot either there are no [TS]

00:35:42   bona fides right you cannot say can we [TS]

00:35:46   just accept that I am no threat to [TS]

00:35:48   everyone like it is not necessary to [TS]

00:35:51   assume mrs. the thing i guess it is not [TS]

00:35:54   necessary for a civilized society to [TS]

00:35:56   assume a priori that every person is a [TS]

00:35:59   threat until proven otherwise [TS]

00:36:00   and the and it isn't a one-to-one [TS]

00:36:04   correlation that either everyone is a [TS]

00:36:07   threat or we have to we have to target [TS]

00:36:11   people by race you know and this is the [TS]

00:36:14   this is the premise that's kind of [TS]

00:36:17   advanced us like well either everybody [TS]

00:36:19   has to suffer or weed or or we have to [TS]

00:36:21   resort to profiling because those are [TS]

00:36:23   the only two options [TS]

00:36:25   it's like no those aren't the only two [TS]

00:36:26   options they really aren't like there [TS]

00:36:29   are a lot of people of all races colors [TS]

00:36:32   and creates that are no threat the vast [TS]

00:36:34   vast majority of the number of people [TS]

00:36:37   who are threat are such a tiny miniscule [TS]

00:36:41   percentage percentage of a percentage [TS]

00:36:43   and that that are only as happy as a [TS]

00:36:47   people as a civilization that that the [TS]

00:36:50   only solution to that tiny percentage is [TS]

00:36:55   that every single person [TS]

00:36:56   who wants to move about shall be treated [TS]

00:37:00   shall be debased and treated as a [TS]

00:37:03   criminal like it was that each person [TS]

00:37:08   who wants to travel for pleasure or [TS]

00:37:10   business needs to be mugged by a cop [TS]

00:37:14   before they could just move you move to [TS]

00:37:17   the next stage to the next stage of what [TS]

00:37:20   is going to be a further debasing [TS]

00:37:22   process like you know now you have been [TS]

00:37:25   now you have been x-rayed and fingered [TS]

00:37:28   and now you have to go sit in a broken [TS]

00:37:31   chair in a fart tube and maybe you'll [TS]

00:37:36   get half a can of club so that while the [TS]

00:37:39   plane sits for three hours on the top [TS]

00:37:41   like like this process is like it speaks [TS]

00:37:46   to a brokenness in the grand experiment [TS]

00:37:49   which I am of which I am a vocal [TS]

00:37:52   proponent of you know the idea that we [TS]

00:37:55   as human beings are evolving positively [TS]

00:37:58   and we and culture is evolving [TS]

00:38:00   positively and we are we are building on [TS]

00:38:03   what we have made and we are creating [TS]

00:38:06   that we are working toward a utopia or [TS]

00:38:10   working toward a betterment of our [TS]

00:38:13   condition as people and I I've always [TS]

00:38:18   believed in it and this kind of like [TS]

00:38:21   like bass police state ism is so [TS]

00:38:28   antithetical to it and it it is [TS]

00:38:31   depressing it is humiliating and it is [TS]

00:38:35   infuriating and I cannot resign myself [TS]

00:38:38   to it i don't i don't know how to [TS]

00:38:40   protest [TS]

00:38:43   which is part of the part of what see [TS]

00:38:45   Millie ating but I can never just I can [TS]

00:38:49   never walk up to that security line and [TS]

00:38:51   just turn into a cow because because I [TS]

00:38:56   really do feel like there will come a [TS]

00:38:57   day when they will like when they're [TS]

00:39:00   going to start hurting a certain [TS]

00:39:02   percentage of the people over into a [TS]

00:39:03   dark room and you never see him again [TS]

00:39:05   totally and it's it's part of the [TS]

00:39:06   problem is that it's a proxy war [TS]

00:39:08   I think you need to be very careful in [TS]

00:39:10   life about how many proxy wars you [TS]

00:39:11   decide to fight because when you start a [TS]

00:39:13   proxy war you your you go beyond some [TS]

00:39:16   kind of in like an initial problem [TS]

00:39:18   whether that's on a proxy war starts out [TS]

00:39:22   with a good enough idea which is that [TS]

00:39:24   there's this thing out there this really [TS]

00:39:26   really bad thing that happened [TS]

00:39:27   it's really really bad thing that almost [TS]

00:39:28   happened and now we're going to put all [TS]

00:39:30   this stuff in place to make sure that [TS]

00:39:32   never happens again even though we [TS]

00:39:34   really know it's never gonna change [TS]

00:39:35   what's already happened [TS]

00:39:36   it can try it's already happened but now [TS]

00:39:38   there's going to be this whole new set [TS]

00:39:40   of of new I mean how many people who [TS]

00:39:45   died in a having a department store [TS]

00:39:48   bombed in the eighties by the IRA really [TS]

00:39:50   had that strong of an opinion one way or [TS]

00:39:52   another about how things went with the [TS]

00:39:54   troubles that's an extreme example but [TS]

00:39:56   in this instance now you know I mean [TS]

00:39:59   that the most obvious example being like [TS]

00:40:00   the underwear bomber the shoe bomber or [TS]

00:40:02   the whatever bomber [TS]

00:40:03   I mean our response to something that [TS]

00:40:05   didn't even work like a bombing tactic [TS]

00:40:07   that didn't even work that was really [TS]

00:40:08   implausible to begin with is to not [TS]

00:40:11   everybody take their shoes or whatever [TS]

00:40:12   so now we've got this entire force of [TS]

00:40:14   people who aren't even cops r sub cops [TS]

00:40:16   are there barely security guards they [TS]

00:40:18   know it doesn't work [TS]

00:40:19   this is well-documented they know that [TS]

00:40:21   all this stuff is theatrical but they [TS]

00:40:22   have to take extremely seriously and now [TS]

00:40:25   there they are I you know different [TS]

00:40:27   screen but perhaps perhaps I think [TS]

00:40:29   someone understandably they're mad at us [TS]

00:40:30   if we don't play along because they're [TS]

00:40:31   just doing their job [TS]

00:40:32   we're trying to do our job just being [TS]

00:40:33   normal people but now that proxy war is [TS]

00:40:36   is it's taking on this just the basic [TS]

00:40:39   dignity of being just a normal American [TS]

00:40:41   who can move freely and trying to as you [TS]

00:40:43   say put us through this little this [TS]

00:40:45   little sluice of indignity to make us [TS]

00:40:48   kind of kowtow to this the basic concept [TS]

00:40:52   that we are being protected by doing [TS]

00:40:54   this and we are not being protected by [TS]

00:40:55   doing that now that's that's the that's [TS]

00:40:57   the really galling part of this if you [TS]

00:40:59   honestly thought there's 2,500 people in [TS]

00:41:03   this line right now and we know that one [TS]

00:41:04   of them has explosives in their ass [TS]

00:41:06   by all means why would say maybe just [TS]

00:41:08   cancel the flight if you know that I [TS]

00:41:09   don't really know that but you really [TS]

00:41:12   going to search everybody's ass for a [TS]

00:41:14   balloon full of explosives [TS]

00:41:15   no because you know it's all bullshit [TS]

00:41:17   you know that none of that stuff is true [TS]

00:41:18   and it is about more than just [TS]

00:41:20   firstworldproblems it's about this is a [TS]

00:41:21   country where you used to be able to [TS]

00:41:23   move freely and be able to to do stuff [TS]

00:41:25   now you show up on lists and you don't [TS]

00:41:27   know why and you can take it off the [TS]

00:41:28   list but the proximal part I think [TS]

00:41:30   becomes important because now like every [TS]

00:41:32   kind of proxy war that you start out by [TS]

00:41:34   salt non non solving a problem or a [TS]

00:41:37   non-problem and now on top of that [TS]

00:41:39   you've got all of these new problems as [TS]

00:41:41   a result of that [TS]

00:41:42   well the primary new problem is I i [TS]

00:41:45   cannot be alone in in traveling through [TS]

00:41:49   airports and basically thinking the [TS]

00:41:51   entire time about all the different ways [TS]

00:41:53   i would i get all the different ways I [TS]

00:41:56   could sneak a bomb through here if I [TS]

00:41:57   really wanted to that that's that was [TS]

00:41:59   just that was just going to say this is [TS]

00:42:00   this to me became extremely icy this now [TS]

00:42:03   probably one of the three times the [TS]

00:42:04   travel i see this exact same thing [TS]

00:42:05   happening each time it blows me away is [TS]

00:42:08   that you'll be standing there and [TS]

00:42:09   watching people you know seeing little [TS]

00:42:11   kids get search for bombs and then [TS]

00:42:13   somebody pushing a what i would estimate [TS]

00:42:16   to be probably a 100 gallon garbage pail [TS]

00:42:19   on Wheels is waived through yeah because [TS]

00:42:22   they're an employee now they have a pass [TS]

00:42:24   and they've been checked and stuff yeah [TS]

00:42:26   so somebody making ten dollars and fifty [TS]

00:42:28   cents an hour gets gets wave through [TS]

00:42:30   it's not a question of class it's a [TS]

00:42:32   question of just read one fucking spy [TS]

00:42:34   novel and figure out how you would do it [TS]

00:42:35   you know what you would do you go to [TS]

00:42:37   just go to pilot and have them do it [TS]

00:42:38   it's not gonna be it's not gonna be the [TS]

00:42:40   old lady with the medicine and the [TS]

00:42:42   gallon of water who doesn't understand [TS]

00:42:43   the 3-ounce rule [TS]

00:42:45   yeah anyway I everybody's like the last [TS]

00:42:47   or exactly but that but then that that's [TS]

00:42:49   what you have these knock-on effects [TS]

00:42:51   proxy wars maybe not the best term for [TS]

00:42:53   it but I think when you when you try to [TS]

00:42:55   have these little of the dramatis [TS]

00:42:58   persona of people who are trying to have [TS]

00:42:59   a life play out these little political [TS]

00:43:01   plays and then act you know we're not [TS]

00:43:04   supposed to act like we know anything's [TS]

00:43:05   fucked up about it [TS]

00:43:06   I mean how can [TS]

00:43:08   an intelligent person do that for ten [TS]

00:43:09   years and feel great about it and feel [TS]

00:43:11   really proud [TS]

00:43:12   well I the thing that concerns me is [TS]

00:43:15   that something i really do feel this way [TS]

00:43:18   something has been lost in in the course [TS]

00:43:21   and just the span of my adult life where [TS]

00:43:26   the where the idea of a of living by [TS]

00:43:32   example has as almost like completely [TS]

00:43:38   gone awry in our culture and has been [TS]

00:43:42   replaced by this like this cultural war [TS]

00:43:47   of that that's that's happening in a [TS]

00:43:51   thousand different ways that don't need [TS]

00:43:52   to be detailed but but the the the idea [TS]

00:43:56   the idea that that at as the United [TS]

00:44:03   States in our role in in what we used to [TS]

00:44:07   think of as our role as like the [TS]

00:44:09   aspirational nation where no matter [TS]

00:44:14   where you lived in the world right you [TS]

00:44:16   would aspire to come to America to live [TS]

00:44:19   free and have opportunity we should that [TS]

00:44:21   impossible things can happen and it [TS]

00:44:23   could be sustained at scale [TS]

00:44:24   yeah and possible things and all the [TS]

00:44:26   criticisms of that that America's wealth [TS]

00:44:29   is a result of exploitation of a nun [TS]

00:44:32   exploited country that we stole from [TS]

00:44:34   people and center etc etc all those [TS]

00:44:37   taken in and and you know like accepted [TS]

00:44:41   and assumed as valid criticisms still [TS]

00:44:44   the United States as a democratic [TS]

00:44:45   experiment was for a very long time the [TS]

00:44:50   place where human ideas taken from all [TS]

00:44:54   around the world were sort of put into [TS]

00:44:57   practice like let us try these ideas and [TS]

00:45:01   there are there are innumerable ways [TS]

00:45:03   that there were secret societies and [TS]

00:45:07   that the whole thing was just a CIA you [TS]

00:45:10   know like a fake radio station the [TS]

00:45:13   entire time etc etc but in but in actual [TS]

00:45:16   fact like the human experience the human [TS]

00:45:19   experiment [TS]

00:45:20   was and is still being played out in [TS]

00:45:24   America better than anywhere else and [TS]

00:45:27   more on a greater scale and with like [TS]

00:45:31   with more factors right there's no other [TS]

00:45:33   place in the world that has as many [TS]

00:45:35   people of different races cultures and [TS]

00:45:37   creeds who all trying to come to a [TS]

00:45:41   consensus live according to common rules [TS]

00:45:44   and end with a system that allows those [TS]

00:45:47   rules to evolve in real time to reflect [TS]

00:45:51   new ideas and new cultures coming in you [TS]

00:45:53   know there's that the the rules in [TS]

00:45:55   america are so much different than they [TS]

00:45:57   were 20 years ago and for the better [TS]

00:45:59   because of the influx of all these new [TS]

00:46:01   ideas and we are like uniquely flexible [TS]

00:46:06   to assimilate all these different new [TS]

00:46:12   concepts and and a lot of that [TS]

00:46:13   flexibility is because of our diversity [TS]

00:46:15   but something is something is lost now [TS]

00:46:19   that we are not we are no longer leading [TS]

00:46:24   by example in terms of assuming like [TS]

00:46:29   taking acceptable risks that yes people [TS]

00:46:32   are gonna get hurt that yes it is messy [TS]

00:46:35   that yes every once in a while every [TS]

00:46:39   once in a while somebody is going to [TS]

00:46:40   sneak through with an underwear bomb you [TS]

00:46:43   know in all in all frankness because you [TS]

00:46:47   cannot eliminate all crazies you know [TS]

00:46:52   you cannot you cannot stop all predators [TS]

00:46:56   and it's crazy to try and so somewhere [TS]

00:47:01   somewhere on the scale the the practice [TS]

00:47:05   of of democracy and the practice of [TS]

00:47:09   freedom has to look like it you know it [TS]

00:47:12   has to this is my this is my beef with [TS]

00:47:14   washington DC right now you remember [TS]

00:47:16   going to washington DC when you were a [TS]

00:47:18   kid he walked right up you driving down [TS]

00:47:21   Pennsylvania Avenue standing on the [TS]

00:47:23   sidewalk get your picture taken in front [TS]

00:47:25   of the White House it was fun it was [TS]

00:47:28   open and democratic looking [TS]

00:47:31   you know the President of the United [TS]

00:47:33   States lives right there in that house [TS]

00:47:36   yeah with glass windows yeah and yes [TS]

00:47:38   there's a fence because he doesn't want [TS]

00:47:41   people playing frisbee on the lawn but [TS]

00:47:44   that fence is like just offense and yes [TS]

00:47:48   there are security people but you don't [TS]

00:47:50   see them and this is the end and there's [TS]

00:47:54   the capital where were all the [TS]

00:47:55   government is he like it's all right [TS]

00:47:57   here laid out in this beautiful city [TS]

00:47:59   it's not it's not deep inside a a player [TS]

00:48:04   yea even even if there are bonkers but [TS]

00:48:07   but the appearance of of america was [TS]

00:48:11   like very appealing and very open and [TS]

00:48:14   that was intentional even even as we [TS]

00:48:16   were fighting wars and into China on the [TS]

00:48:18   sly but now you go to Washington DC and [TS]

00:48:22   it looks like an armed camp everywhere [TS]

00:48:24   you go there are black SUVs full of [TS]

00:48:27   black-clad machine gun carrying secret [TS]

00:48:29   service and land park police and fifty [TS]

00:48:33   different kinds of cop the entire area [TS]

00:48:35   around the White House is barricaded [TS]

00:48:39   with tank traps [TS]

00:48:41   I mean seriously like tank traps and [TS]

00:48:46   black hawk helicopters are flying over [TS]

00:48:49   the city at all times and again it is as [TS]

00:48:52   you're saying complete security theater [TS]

00:48:54   but it's one hundred percent the wrong [TS]

00:48:59   impulse that isn't the theater that we [TS]

00:49:02   need to be playing our theater needs to [TS]

00:49:04   be the theater of confidence and and [TS]

00:49:08   calm right and to play this theater of [TS]

00:49:13   like of of a security state is it's [TS]

00:49:17   deeply anti-american it is profoundly [TS]

00:49:21   anti-democratic and like fills me with [TS]

00:49:26   rage because it's an insult that I think [TS]

00:49:30   your borders on treason an insult to the [TS]

00:49:33   idea of America and that the thing that [TS]

00:49:36   I love about America and the America [TS]

00:49:38   that I would die to defend you know and [TS]

00:49:41   I and and [TS]

00:49:42   all of the like Eagle tattoos and [TS]

00:49:47   freedom chance or whatever are our [TS]

00:49:51   garbage jingoism if you can't walk down [TS]

00:49:55   the street in washington DC without [TS]

00:49:56   feeling threatened by our own police if [TS]

00:50:00   you can't fly from seattle to san [TS]

00:50:02   francisco without feeling like you are [TS]

00:50:06   not just under surveillance but like [TS]

00:50:08   presumed guilty right can demonstrate [TS]

00:50:13   demonstrate test that you're not a [TS]

00:50:15   threat it's true it's that it is that [TS]

00:50:18   it's antithetical to the American Way [TS]

00:50:21   and end into the american way that [TS]

00:50:23   existed all the way through the Reagan [TS]

00:50:26   years all the way really through the [TS]

00:50:28   Clinton years and again I hear the [TS]

00:50:30   chorus of of finger waggers who want to [TS]

00:50:35   tell me all about the secret secret like [TS]

00:50:38   behind-the-scenes governments and all [TS]

00:50:41   that but I'm talking about the [TS]

00:50:42   appearance the the temperature on the [TS]

00:50:45   street the feeling that America had that [TS]

00:50:48   other places didn't you know if you got [TS]

00:50:50   off the subway in berlin in 1987 yes [TS]

00:50:54   there were there were armed police [TS]

00:50:57   standing around because the presumption [TS]

00:50:59   then was that there were a million [TS]

00:51:00   Soviets on the other side of the fence [TS]

00:51:02   but in America there were not tank traps [TS]

00:51:07   around the White House you know if the [TS]

00:51:09   tanks get that far [TS]

00:51:10   he didn't hear and I know that the tank [TS]

00:51:13   traps are there to keep to keep Timothy [TS]

00:51:15   make V and his freightliner van truth [TS]

00:51:19   from getting up close enough to the [TS]

00:51:20   White House to like break the windows [TS]

00:51:22   but but it's a you know they're there is [TS]

00:51:28   a way to close pennsylvania avenue and [TS]

00:51:31   decorate it with flowers you know there [TS]

00:51:34   are ways to do these things and make it [TS]

00:51:39   not appear that you are that you're [TS]

00:51:43   playing a video game [TS]

00:51:44   it seems like it's such a dick cheney [TS]

00:51:46   move it is it is and that's what I [TS]

00:51:48   because that's what I think his legacy [TS]

00:51:50   that then some ways like one of his many [TS]

00:51:52   wonderful legacies for this country is [TS]

00:51:54   going to be shit like that [TS]

00:51:55   just you know that the entire theatrical [TS]

00:51:57   thing that is going to keep you know [TS]

00:52:00   will pretty much any c- attacker from [TS]

00:52:02   really doing anything to us what you [TS]

00:52:04   remember that scene in California a few [TS]

00:52:06   years ago where those two bank robbers [TS]

00:52:07   had machine guns and they walked down [TS]

00:52:10   the street some supposedly with impunity [TS]

00:52:14   just firing their machine guns all [TS]

00:52:16   around and the cops the the story that [TS]

00:52:19   the cops told you have enough firepower [TS]

00:52:21   day when Carly outgun yeah and and like [TS]

00:52:25   2,000 cops were outgunned by one guy and [TS]

00:52:30   a machine gun and his friend driving a [TS]

00:52:33   car and so the the response from law [TS]

00:52:38   enforcement nationwide to that was [TS]

00:52:41   listen the bad guys have these really [TS]

00:52:43   powerful guns and so we need to we need [TS]

00:52:47   to Double Down we need to militarize [TS]

00:52:48   because there are these these bad guys [TS]

00:52:51   with guns now look through the history [TS]

00:52:55   of America there have always been bad [TS]

00:52:56   guys with guns they have always had as [TS]

00:52:59   as modern a gun as you could have right [TS]

00:53:02   i mean the sniper in the clock tower in [TS]

00:53:07   austin back in the sixties was a Marine [TS]

00:53:09   sniper with a sniper rifle just shooting [TS]

00:53:12   at students like its it was never a [TS]

00:53:14   question of firepower but because this [TS]

00:53:16   guy's gotta gotta automatic or [TS]

00:53:18   semi-automatic weapon you felt it [TS]

00:53:22   immediately like all of a sudden the [TS]

00:53:24   cops wearing black fatigues everywhere [TS]

00:53:26   and they're driving around in in SUV's [TS]

00:53:30   with blacked out windows and the police [TS]

00:53:34   have always wanted that but there were [TS]

00:53:38   civilian checks on that kind of thing [TS]

00:53:40   like the civilian population said in [TS]

00:53:44   general we don't want the police driving [TS]

00:53:47   around in tanks looking like just stop [TS]

00:53:50   oh it's not what we want we want police [TS]

00:53:53   walking swinging their billy clubs and [TS]

00:53:58   harassing teenagers but sitting in soda [TS]

00:54:02   fountains and we you know we like we [TS]

00:54:03   want the police to be to protect us to [TS]

00:54:07   look like they protect us to look like [TS]

00:54:09   members of the community and in the last [TS]

00:54:12   15 years [TS]

00:54:13   the police have have through the this [TS]

00:54:18   sort of hero-worshipping cult and the [TS]

00:54:21   the general militarizing of the United [TS]

00:54:24   States now everywhere you look the cops [TS]

00:54:26   have their have combat boots on their [TS]

00:54:28   pants are bloused they're carrying like [TS]

00:54:32   sometimes three guns and they look like [TS]

00:54:38   paratroopers and particularly at any [TS]

00:54:42   kind of big gathering all of a sudden [TS]

00:54:44   they even the cops that are in normal [TS]

00:54:45   uniforms run home and get their [TS]

00:54:46   paratrooper outfits on and what and what [TS]

00:54:51   kind of job you dressing for at that [TS]

00:54:53   point exactly what you're my kid is lost [TS]

00:54:55   in a department store or something or [TS]

00:54:57   something something happens in like [TS]

00:54:59   somebody has to go up and ask for help [TS]

00:55:00   with something you are now walking up to [TS]

00:55:02   somebody in paramilitary gear with three [TS]

00:55:04   guns like what is that person's job [TS]

00:55:06   what is their job and what do they think [TS]

00:55:08   their job if you saw you if you spent 25 [TS]

00:55:10   years of your life walking with three [TS]

00:55:12   guns and body armor all the time you're [TS]

00:55:13   not going to think of yourself as a [TS]

00:55:14   community police office that's exactly [TS]

00:55:16   the right of yourself basically is Army [TS]

00:55:18   Reserve and if you if you are coming to [TS]

00:55:20   a peaceful gathering in your town in the [TS]

00:55:23   town square and you show up and there [TS]

00:55:24   are a line of cops dress like army [TS]

00:55:28   rangers on night patrol do you go to [TS]

00:55:33   them for help if you if you lose your [TS]

00:55:36   wallet or do you mean do you like stand [TS]

00:55:39   on the other side of the square and I [TS]

00:55:41   them warily like not take it a step [TS]

00:55:44   further for that matter if you think [TS]

00:55:46   something is kind of odd or something [TS]

00:55:49   you know you want to make a note about [TS]

00:55:51   to somebody i'm usually something you [TS]

00:55:53   want to say something [TS]

00:55:54   well kind of but I mean yet obviously [TS]

00:55:56   obviously if you find this terrorist [TS]

00:55:57   that you have to tell them about it but [TS]

00:55:58   just something as simple as like I would [TS]

00:56:00   be I would be it seems to be inadvisable [TS]

00:56:03   to go to to go to that particular arm of [TS]

00:56:07   law enforcement anything but like a [TS]

00:56:09   desire for deadly enforcement i mean [TS]

00:56:13   that that that you know the the finer [TS]

00:56:15   tools are not going to get used nearly [TS]

00:56:17   as much as like pepper spraying three [TS]

00:56:18   guns [TS]

00:56:19   that's exactly right like that like [TS]

00:56:22   these are not police who are who are [TS]

00:56:25   projecting that they are helpful or that [TS]

00:56:28   they are kind or the day are thoughtful [TS]

00:56:31   or considerate you know the area that [TS]

00:56:33   they even human [TS]

00:56:34   they basically they likes nitin [TS]

00:56:36   stormtroopers a loaded term but in a [TS]

00:56:38   sense of being like an anonymous [TS]

00:56:40   enforcer of some kind of in order that [TS]

00:56:44   you never even heard right so fast [TS]

00:56:47   forward a couple years from now where [TS]

00:56:49   the technology to have one in three of [TS]

00:56:52   those people be a robot but that you [TS]

00:56:55   mean we really are like like like [TS]

00:56:57   somebody's i read on Twitter the other [TS]

00:57:00   day that somebody's I thought really [TS]

00:57:04   really smart comment that people are [TS]

00:57:08   always bitching that we were promised [TS]

00:57:09   flying cars but if you were born anytime [TS]

00:57:13   after nineteen seventy what you are [TS]

00:57:15   really promised by science fiction was a [TS]

00:57:17   dystopian police state and in fact II [TS]

00:57:22   the price of the promises of science [TS]

00:57:24   fiction are coming true so quit your [TS]

00:57:25   bitching and it was it was a very clever [TS]

00:57:29   tween but also like it really resonated [TS]

00:57:32   with me like oh right [TS]

00:57:35   if you were born in nineteen thirty [TS]

00:57:36   maybe you were promised flying cars they [TS]

00:57:41   are like a house of the future yeah [TS]

00:57:43   right like this lesson kinda like [TS]

00:57:45   high-tech leisure that was all like [TS]

00:57:47   World's Fair 1962 popular science kind [TS]

00:57:50   of stuff and by the time 1980 came [TS]

00:57:52   around science fiction was just like oh [TS]

00:57:55   yes it's going to be a cesspool ruled [TS]

00:57:58   from on high by robots and either you [TS]

00:58:02   are either you're living in a space pod [TS]

00:58:06   you're needed here living on Elysium or [TS]

00:58:09   you're not you know and and I feel like [TS]

00:58:12   the the the solution [TS]

00:58:15   you know we have to start now and we [TS]

00:58:18   have to start now by not resigning [TS]

00:58:20   ourselves to to these minor indignities [TS]

00:58:23   up on behalf of the TSA like it is [TS]

00:58:26   possible to roll back the police state [TS]

00:58:29   mentality [TS]

00:58:30   but it requires that we have that we [TS]

00:58:34   resume a mentality that like cultural [TS]

00:58:39   wide agriculture wide a mentality that [TS]

00:58:44   that favors peace and tranquility and [TS]

00:58:50   consensus over divisive pneus [TS]

00:58:54   and-and-and in a way that means that our [TS]

00:58:59   hyper hyper worship of individuality [TS]

00:59:05   needs to be somewhat tempered you know [TS]

00:59:09   the idea that every single person has a [TS]

00:59:12   right to whatever their to whatever [TS]

00:59:18   myriad like bullet points they can come [TS]

00:59:22   up with to describe their own individual [TS]

00:59:24   identity like that premise that each [TS]

00:59:27   person's individual identity identity is [TS]

00:59:30   it is a is a status rather than that we [TS]

00:59:36   each are that our status is derived [TS]

00:59:39   through the like the the welfare of the [TS]

00:59:44   group you know that no one of us has a [TS]

00:59:48   status greater than another if the [TS]

00:59:49   lowest part or if any if any quadrant of [TS]

00:59:53   the group is not like well cared for [TS]

00:59:56   then we all lose status and that is a [TS]

00:59:56   then we all lose status and that is a [TS]

01:00:00   that's a lost art and it it was never [TS]

01:00:02   articulated before because it was [TS]

01:00:05   presumed in a lot of ways and on all [TS]

01:00:10   sides now every single person has every [TS]

01:00:16   single person in America it has this [TS]

01:00:18   kind of strange combination of like [TS]

01:00:22   Appalachian frat boy like rebel status [TS]

01:00:34   you know what I mean every single person [TS]

01:00:36   is a rebel now and if everyone's a rebel [TS]

01:00:40   there will never be any peace we all we [TS]

01:00:45   deserve to live in a police state [TS]

01:00:46   because we're all rebels all the time [TS]

01:00:49   and I'm stealing cultural pop-culture [TS]

01:00:52   rebels or you mean like like a going to [TS]

01:00:54   the compound kind of rebels [TS]

01:00:55   I mean I mean we easily been talking [TS]

01:00:57   about like like just coming up with the [TS]

01:01:00   multi-purpose artisanal entitlement what [TS]

01:01:02   one person at a time i mean it when you [TS]

01:01:05   think about it the one thing that [TS]

01:01:07   unifies a like a newly out trans sex [TS]

01:01:15   worker and a Alabama frat-boy investment [TS]

01:01:22   banker deacon in his church the the the [TS]

01:01:28   one thing that unifies them is that [TS]

01:01:30   neither one of them is going to let [TS]

01:01:31   anybody tell them what to do [TS]

01:01:34   neither one of them is going to let [TS]

01:01:37   anybody define them right and culturally [TS]

01:01:42   now we that this dominates our [TS]

01:01:46   conversation on every side of the [TS]

01:01:47   political spectrum [TS]

01:01:49   nobody's going to tell me who I am or [TS]

01:01:52   what I can do and I can be anybody I [TS]

01:01:56   want to be and you're you're not the [TS]

01:01:59   boss of me like that's the that is the [TS]

01:02:02   American consensus now and it is dull [TS]

01:02:08   it's dull and Italy it leads us down [TS]

01:02:12   this path where we are children and so [TS]

01:02:16   the cops are doing what comes natural to [TS]

01:02:19   them which is we need more guns we need [TS]

01:02:23   more Thor tie so that's the cops that's [TS]

01:02:27   what they will always do its what [TS]

01:02:28   they've always done right but there's no [TS]

01:02:30   one to stop them now they're never going [TS]

01:02:32   to say you know what you have two [TS]

01:02:34   minutes [TS]

01:02:35   it's not the cops job to say we need to [TS]

01:02:38   have a more civil society and when so as [TS]

01:02:42   police we're gonna we're going to [TS]

01:02:43   accomplish that by putting our guns away [TS]

01:02:45   like the cops are never gonna do that [TS]

01:02:48   right that has to come from that has to [TS]

01:02:52   come from well and it has to come from a [TS]

01:02:56   new a new coalition of people from all [TS]

01:03:01   walks of life who say no my you know my [TS]

01:03:06   individuality does not take precedence [TS]

01:03:09   you can tell me what to do i will i do [TS]

01:03:16   agree that although this law does not [TS]

01:03:19   seem to apply directly to me although i [TS]

01:03:22   don't have any kids and I am being taxed [TS]

01:03:24   for the public schools [TS]

01:03:25   I'm gonna just I'm just gonna I'm not [TS]

01:03:28   I'm not [TS]

01:03:29   it's not that I'm gonna just give stop [TS]

01:03:33   complaining about my taxes to the public [TS]

01:03:35   schools i'm going to group i'm going to [TS]

01:03:37   gratefully give my tax money to the [TS]

01:03:40   public schools to educate my neighbor's [TS]

01:03:42   kids because that's how you make [TS]

01:03:46   better world 20 years from now and no [TS]

01:03:51   one's preaching that anymore you know [TS]

01:03:54   that I think that used to come from that [TS]

01:03:57   used to come from the youth from the [TS]

01:03:58   church's it used to come from the from [TS]

01:04:03   the from just this your your your normal [TS]

01:04:07   sense of community it wasn't a thing you [TS]

01:04:10   could even reasonably argue it was just [TS]

01:04:13   the john birch society and the wingnuts [TS]

01:04:15   way way out there would ever argue that [TS]

01:04:19   we shouldn't be taxed for public schools [TS]

01:04:21   I I guess I just feel like the the stuff [TS]

01:04:24   the stuff that involves me and all this [TS]

01:04:25   there's there's a you know it's always [TS]

01:04:28   the the boogeymen of the various [TS]

01:04:31   dystopian futures that we call out and [TS]

01:04:33   worried about but there's something like [TS]

01:04:35   particularly enduring about Kafka to me [TS]

01:04:39   because in a cough go [TS]

01:04:42   navalur Kafka story it's the the part [TS]

01:04:46   that's the most disturbing as you don't [TS]

01:04:47   know why it's happening that that's the [TS]

01:04:50   thing that's the thing that really gets [TS]

01:04:51   me so I take your point in particular [TS]

01:04:53   about things like the police that's [TS]

01:04:54   their job right i mean the police are [TS]

01:04:56   always going to want things that make it [TS]

01:04:57   easier or less difficult to do police [TS]

01:04:59   work the people who gather intelligence [TS]

01:05:00   are always going to want everything they [TS]

01:05:02   need to make it less difficult to gather [TS]

01:05:04   intelligence is never going to be a day [TS]

01:05:05   when they say you know what we really [TS]

01:05:07   need all these phone records the part [TS]

01:05:08   the part that I find so troubling and [TS]

01:05:11   the part that I think is going to lead [TS]

01:05:13   to more and more credibility problems at [TS]

01:05:15   various many many different levels is [TS]

01:05:17   that this whole like well this is just [TS]

01:05:19   how it is that that's the dick cheney [TS]

01:05:21   this of it you know is the like is like [TS]

01:05:22   wait no wait a minute wait a minute no [TS]

01:05:24   I've got photos here of what cops look [TS]

01:05:26   like 20 years ago I got photos now what [TS]

01:05:28   they look like now there's still [TS]

01:05:29   probably real good people but I can't [TS]

01:05:30   tell because they're wear masks and [TS]

01:05:32   right here [TS]

01:05:33   why is that and when do we get to is [TS]

01:05:35   that just how it's gonna be now and and [TS]

01:05:37   why is it why is it that this person got [TS]

01:05:39   picked out of line and not that person [TS]

01:05:41   why is it suddenly I mean it's just so [TS]

01:05:42   much opacity to this all-consuming need [TS]

01:05:46   to control all things that I i mean i [TS]

01:05:49   don't have a prediction on what that's [TS]

01:05:51   going to lead to like a revolution or [TS]

01:05:52   something but i think it's certainly [TS]

01:05:53   hurts the credibility of of anybody [TS]

01:05:56   who's trying to do something good in [TS]

01:05:58   government [TS]

01:05:58   is when you increasingly say things like [TS]

01:06:00   you know you you can't fly and I can't [TS]

01:06:03   even tell you whether you are on a list [TS]

01:06:05   and what you can or can't you do about [TS]

01:06:07   it i'm not even having this conversation [TS]

01:06:08   with you right now that's that then that [TS]

01:06:10   to me that's why kafka kafka ask [TS]

01:06:12   component of this is what makes it so [TS]

01:06:15   deeply troubling it's one thing to say [TS]

01:06:17   like okay there's a real bad guy [TS]

01:06:19   there's this classic villain who's doing [TS]

01:06:22   all this bad stuff to that but I don't [TS]

01:06:23   get that feeling at all it's more like [TS]

01:06:25   again though whatever the hunterian like [TS]

01:06:26   finality of evil thing it's just a bunch [TS]

01:06:28   of people doing their fucking job [TS]

01:06:30   it's their job is to create more and [TS]

01:06:32   more opacity about this non solution to [TS]

01:06:36   what's increasingly starting to seem [TS]

01:06:37   like an unsolvable problem what's the [TS]

01:06:38   problem the problem is security [TS]

01:06:40   what was that mean yeah like what I mean [TS]

01:06:42   how much further do we have to go [TS]

01:06:44   I mean how much further will we go in [TS]

01:06:46   these directions where things just keep [TS]

01:06:49   getting weirder and like the more that [TS]

01:06:51   we asked questions about the more the [TS]

01:06:52   more suspicious that we've seen and then [TS]

01:06:54   i'm not i'm not a wing night i'm not out [TS]

01:06:56   here saying like I don't even have a [TS]

01:06:58   conspiracy theory i just don't [TS]

01:07:00   understand how how you can be a reason [TS]

01:07:04   member of a democratic society when [TS]

01:07:06   you're just not allowed to have basic [TS]

01:07:08   information about why things are [TS]

01:07:09   operating the way they're operating and [TS]

01:07:11   that what what's what's terrifying or [TS]

01:07:13   what is what is so dispiriting is when [TS]

01:07:17   Obama was running for election the first [TS]

01:07:20   time all this stuff was true it was all [TS]

01:07:23   happening all around us [TS]

01:07:25   i mean the the fact that that the [TS]

01:07:28   Department of Homeland Security is even [TS]

01:07:31   called that like it was I thought that [TS]

01:07:36   it was the I thought it was the broadest [TS]

01:07:38   parody in the world until I realized [TS]

01:07:40   they were serious yes like homeland [TS]

01:07:42   security [TS]

01:07:43   it's as not see a thing you could say [TS]

01:07:46   anything he just it's like father llegan [TS]

01:07:49   honesty file and got crossed off [TS]

01:07:51   fatherland security is exactly what it [TS]

01:07:53   is and so so but we've accepted that we [TS]

01:07:57   don't even say Homeland Security with a [TS]

01:07:58   sneer anymore but what Obama was running [TS]

01:08:01   he was really selling it to us that it [TS]

01:08:06   was time for a change and I mean [TS]

01:08:07   obviously that was his slogan but also [TS]

01:08:09   like you [TS]

01:08:10   yes it is time for the left and the [TS]

01:08:14   left's traditional relationship to the [TS]

01:08:17   cops and to the army to step in here and [TS]

01:08:21   we need to we need to cleanse our [TS]

01:08:23   palates we need to have a juice fast [TS]

01:08:26   nationwide juice fast and we are going [TS]

01:08:30   to poop out some hard and fecal matter [TS]

01:08:32   and we're going to come out the other [TS]

01:08:34   side and we are going to demilitarize [TS]

01:08:37   really was a big part of his message and [TS]

01:08:42   closing Guantanamo and all the other [TS]

01:08:46   like restoring the rule of law actually [TS]

01:08:49   one point say that he was going to have [TS]

01:08:50   the most open administration [TS]

01:08:51   yeah it wasn't an actual words that came [TS]

01:08:53   out of his mouth that they were with me [TS]

01:08:55   and even as the the number of these like [TS]

01:08:58   National Security Letters has gone off [TS]

01:09:00   the charts and the numbers are just not [TS]

01:09:04   not adding up [TS]

01:09:05   well and the tenant it isn't just that [TS]

01:09:07   but like he did he he he eliminated not [TS]

01:09:09   a single thing and so when you look now [TS]

01:09:13   at at at without that the past six years [TS]

01:09:18   and you realize that obama and his [TS]

01:09:22   administration have us have accepted all [TS]

01:09:26   of those george bush era like [TS]

01:09:29   militarization as fait accompli you you [TS]

01:09:34   know that a Hillary Clinton [TS]

01:09:36   administration is not going back is not [TS]

01:09:40   going back any of that stuff off either [TS]

01:09:42   like she she has to appear to be as [TS]

01:09:46   hawkish as the most hawkish Democrat [TS]

01:09:49   because she you know to the [TS]

01:09:50   traditionally that would be the number [TS]

01:09:53   one attack you would make on a on a [TS]

01:09:54   female president is that she's not tough [TS]

01:09:56   enough you know she's not going to roll [TS]

01:09:58   back any of these security platforms so [TS]

01:10:02   what you what you could have come to is [TS]

01:10:04   that really the Democratic Party the [TS]

01:10:06   left the left choice in America is now [TS]

01:10:11   as invested in a police state as the [TS]

01:10:14   right and it isn't it isn't working [TS]

01:10:18   anymore they're really does need to be a [TS]

01:10:21   new conversation where we start with the [TS]

01:10:26   premise that we are not at we are not at [TS]

01:10:29   in constant war will instruct the [TS]

01:10:32   premise that this guy's this is fucked [TS]

01:10:34   up [TS]

01:10:34   it's just that it doesn't feel like [TS]

01:10:36   there's any everybody seems to be kind [TS]

01:10:38   of grimly nodding along about this [TS]

01:10:40   horrible situation that nobody likes but [TS]

01:10:42   we have to deal with and I just don't [TS]

01:10:44   feel like there's been like a collective [TS]

01:10:45   exhaling where everybody goes you know [TS]

01:10:48   what this is fucked up right [TS]

01:10:50   we need that we need to we need to get a [TS]

01:10:51   couple things we need to get our mind [TS]

01:10:53   right about a few things [TS]

01:10:54   yeah we don't want to be we don't want [TS]

01:10:55   to be dummies we don't want to get [TS]

01:10:57   attacked like because of carelessness [TS]

01:10:59   but like our AO but I mean how much [TS]

01:11:02   longer can we keep moving in this [TS]

01:11:04   particular direction and you know just [TS]

01:11:06   close your eyes and think of England you [TS]

01:11:07   know it's like there's something's got [TS]

01:11:08   to happen we just go look at its fucked [TS]

01:11:10   up the exhale [TS]

01:11:11   yeah i mean III don't know what that [TS]

01:11:13   looks like and is a fucking hate [TS]

01:11:15   politics knowledge but i don't know i [TS]

01:11:16   don't know what I don't know what the [TS]

01:11:17   what what kind of solution you can have [TS]

01:11:19   because that that's a conversation [TS]

01:11:21   nobody wants to have nobody wants to be [TS]

01:11:23   the one who stick their head up [TS]

01:11:24   especially to try to get into office [TS]

01:11:26   everyone's just like you say nobody [TS]

01:11:27   wants to stick their hand up and go you [TS]

01:11:28   know what this is this is pretty fucked [TS]

01:11:30   up [TS]

01:11:30   well and what it was having a week isn't [TS]

01:11:32   here the other thing that John is like [TS]

01:11:34   we can't even really know how much [TS]

01:11:36   terrorism has been stopped because then [TS]

01:11:38   that would be alright secure them to let [TS]

01:11:41   us know what's actually happened [TS]

01:11:43   yeah I would it would be dangerous [TS]

01:11:44   because not every third person walking [TS]

01:11:47   through an airport is thinking now if I [TS]

01:11:48   had a coke if I let's see if I had three [TS]

01:11:51   shampoo bottles that were full of the [TS]

01:11:53   three components that make plastic [TS]

01:11:56   explosives and my friend had three [TS]

01:11:58   shampoo bottles like how many terrorist [TS]

01:12:00   plots have been foiled like okay let's [TS]

01:12:02   assume all of them or I mean it's it is [TS]

01:12:05   irrelevant ultimately to the to the [TS]

01:12:09   question of and this is the this is the [TS]

01:12:10   question of automating armies you know [TS]

01:12:13   and this was the problem with the [TS]

01:12:14   invasion of afghanistan in the first [TS]

01:12:17   place before we even invaded Iraq there [TS]

01:12:20   was from Rumsfeld [TS]

01:12:23   this like a hard-on for technology where [TS]

01:12:27   he felt like he wasn't going to have to [TS]

01:12:29   put American lives at risk in order that [TS]

01:12:34   it was going to be thought it was kinda [TS]

01:12:36   thinking in it seems like he thought it [TS]

01:12:38   was going to be basically like the [TS]

01:12:39   Allies rolling through Europe in World [TS]

01:12:42   War two but with like space lasers [TS]

01:12:45   Spacely dragon and give us flowers and [TS]

01:12:47   there are the Americans little American [TS]

01:12:48   flags being waived and our guys would [TS]

01:12:50   have the big bubble helmets on and walk [TS]

01:12:52   around space lasers space lasers and [TS]

01:12:54   maybe talking to each other on heads-up [TS]

01:12:55   displays and the Taliban would lay down [TS]

01:12:58   their guns or their sharpened sticks or [TS]

01:13:01   whatever it was that he thought they had [TS]

01:13:03   and we would be greeted in Afghanistan [TS]

01:13:07   like liberators and conquering dollars [TS]

01:13:09   finally the Americans are here because [TS]

01:13:11   everybody knows in Afghanistan and [TS]

01:13:13   Pakistan traditionally they welcomed [TS]

01:13:15   invaders and yeah but that but the idea [TS]

01:13:21   and and the military keeps moving in [TS]

01:13:22   this direction like it would be good for [TS]

01:13:24   business is an American invasion you [TS]

01:13:26   know you know what people love ya [TS]

01:13:28   they love to see American invaders [TS]

01:13:31   particularly robot engagement i can [TS]

01:13:34   actually see their faces but I bet their [TS]

01:13:35   nights but like with their the the [TS]

01:13:38   military's talking about this like a [TS]

01:13:40   one-in-three one in four soldiers now [TS]

01:13:42   being a robot in the next 20 years a [TS]

01:13:44   serious [TS]

01:13:45   oh yeah this is this is their new this [TS]

01:13:46   is that this is the big position paper [TS]

01:13:48   now that the and a big part of that is [TS]

01:13:51   like to be the support staff can be to [TS]

01:13:55   be replaced with robots oh no not drone [TS]

01:13:58   planes but like drawing people from [TS]

01:13:59   people absolutely about copy like more [TS]

01:14:02   like a drone vehicle that yes vehicle [TS]

01:14:04   person but it would be a situation where [TS]

01:14:06   they could reduce the living humans that [TS]

01:14:09   was that constituted a brigade and still [TS]

01:14:12   have a brigade strength who of force [TS]

01:14:15   because they would replace the humans [TS]

01:14:17   that they're taking out with robot [TS]

01:14:19   helpers and you know and then robot [TS]

01:14:23   friends and then yeah robots you know [TS]

01:14:28   first row first the robot cooks yeah and [TS]

01:14:30   then the robot ninjas [TS]

01:14:32   ok maybe yeah maybe maybe they could use [TS]

01:14:35   like farm equipment they could kill two [TS]

01:14:37   birds with one stone given maybe they [TS]

01:14:39   can have robot farm soldiers well even [TS]

01:14:42   with it will be a grenade thrower and [TS]

01:14:43   then he'll be pulling a plow [TS]

01:14:45   yeah or maybe he could help pull out [TS]

01:14:47   some you know some of the natural [TS]

01:14:49   resources get out some of those metals [TS]

01:14:51   right it looks like super training also [TS]

01:14:54   digging diamonds it's a little bit of a [TS]

01:14:56   military diamond taking soldier bot [TS]

01:14:58   yeah but but what that person with that [TS]

01:15:01   presumes is that whatever foreign policy [TS]

01:15:05   work were trying to effect is not worth [TS]

01:15:08   in american life and if and if we can [TS]

01:15:14   remove American lives from the equation [TS]

01:15:17   then we no longer have a problem at home [TS]

01:15:21   because we no longer have moms on the TV [TS]

01:15:24   crying about their dead is interesting [TS]

01:15:26   and if we if we are no longer losing [TS]

01:15:30   soldiers and if robots are cheaper than [TS]

01:15:34   soldiers and they are then it's not it's [TS]

01:15:38   not like we would never reduce the [TS]

01:15:39   defense budget we would just have more [TS]

01:15:41   and more soldiers more and more robot [TS]

01:15:42   soldiers and with with less and less [TS]

01:15:46   political cost less and less investment [TS]

01:15:49   and how much much lower threshold of of [TS]

01:15:54   engagement like already we are bombing [TS]

01:15:57   people from drones and that and despite [TS]

01:16:01   you know we have a we have a listener on [TS]

01:16:04   the line who is a drone pilot were you [TS]

01:16:05   aware of that really talking about that [TS]

01:16:07   yeah and he has a BS very strong [TS]

01:16:09   feelings that the drone program is [TS]

01:16:11   ethical and that you know under tight [TS]

01:16:16   control and is a you know is a service [TS]

01:16:18   to our country and he he's written a [TS]

01:16:22   book about it that he sent me and it's a [TS]

01:16:24   very interesting book but this the [TS]

01:16:27   standard the ethical standard for what [TS]

01:16:30   it takes now 44 American technology to [TS]

01:16:33   kill somebody [TS]

01:16:34   i mean it's it's been on the on the way [TS]

01:16:37   for a long time but but and it away [TS]

01:16:40   carpet bombing [TS]

01:16:43   car bombing a city from 50,000 feet and [TS]

01:16:47   like drone attacking somebody in the [TS]

01:16:49   desert of Yemen that there's not a you [TS]

01:16:53   know you can't really make a case that [TS]

01:16:55   carpet bombing is any more discreet [TS]

01:16:58   certainly but you know we're right up [TS]

01:17:01   against the Monroe Doctrine here you [TS]

01:17:04   know we r we r do we are essentially [TS]

01:17:07   assassinating heads of state of non [TS]

01:17:11   states in in in contravention of like [TS]

01:17:14   our own law and and what we are and what [TS]

01:17:20   we're trying to do is eliminate our [TS]

01:17:22   investment in the sense of if we can [TS]

01:17:26   take our soldiers out if we can take our [TS]

01:17:29   human cost away and this is true of the [TS]

01:17:32   it in the police to like they are not [TS]

01:17:35   willing to put a policeman in a [TS]

01:17:38   situation where he might get injured [TS]

01:17:39   because it looks bad and it feels bad [TS]

01:17:43   and so in order to keep the policeman [TS]

01:17:47   safe they militarized them to the point [TS]

01:17:51   that we are now facing a wall of [TS]

01:17:53   black-faced like armored cops and every [TS]

01:17:59   step of the way it's like right i don't [TS]

01:18:01   want a policeman to get hurt either but [TS]

01:18:03   actually the risk of getting hurt is [TS]

01:18:07   part of the job of being a policeman and [TS]

01:18:09   if you and and and and the reality is if [TS]

01:18:14   you send one cop in his shirtsleeves [TS]

01:18:16   into a group of agitators nine out of [TS]

01:18:21   ten times he's going to be able to [TS]

01:18:23   relate to them on a human level and [TS]

01:18:25   defuse the situation and if you send 25 [TS]

01:18:29   cops dressed as robots to confront those [TS]

01:18:31   agitators ninety-nine percent of the [TS]

01:18:33   time it's going to turn into a fight [TS]

01:18:35   and the and the risk has to be that one [TS]

01:18:40   cop 1 out of 10 * is going to get hurt [TS]

01:18:43   and if you're not willing to take that [TS]

01:18:46   risk then you set up a situation where [TS]

01:18:50   worth what we're all fighting always all [TS]

01:18:52   the time and nobody saying please and [TS]

01:18:58   thank you [TS]

01:19:00   mmm [TS]