Roderick on the Line

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00:00:25 ◼   ► hello I John I'm Merlin good morning how [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► are you [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► oh it's been a heck of a morning so far [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► what happened just a heck of a darn [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► morning things and stuff things and [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► stuff [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► I'm right now covered in pee what it [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► costs you other people's be yes and it [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► was it was so far free that but I hope [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► you were watching your daughter I was [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► yeah i was watching her i was watching [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► her closely watching her and she was [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► covered with p mm but now I'm covered [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► with that she have a towel you know when [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► it's coming up though okay i'm gonna [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► guess not [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► yeah mm she does she has she has a [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► variety of tells does she does the potty [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► dance that's 10 grabbing of the front [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► part of her underpants another i do that [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► yeah but this was that this was [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► something that happened in the night [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► oh man that then you know dragged down [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► into the next day where are you with [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► that process [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► mm I mean if I could ask or ninety-eight [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► percent of the way there now you know [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► that last 2% like software development [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► all the development goes into that first [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► ninety-eight percent and then the rest [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► goes in the remaining ninety eight [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► percent yeah you're right it could get [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► better math squad that's computer math [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► we've covered that already [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► well we covered that on the lost episode [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► of you look nice today now wait a minute [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► you're gonna confuse now uh every day [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► somebody's born has never seen the for [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► instance that's right every day someone [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► is born who's never had a Reese's Peanut [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► Butter Cup [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► Oh make you can imagine that thank you [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► you know you could still have your first [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► and I do you say reasons reduce a reeses [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► when I was it I I don't have any [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► reasoning for this one as a child said [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► reeses yes in today s a reeses yeah i [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► think somebody I think I heard somebody [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► say reeses enough that I was like okay I [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► get a little-a little tune in my head [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► Reese's peanut butter cups [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► that's a good [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► that is a good tune I miss I miss [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► jingles I really do [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► Yeah right there were so many good [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► jingles was funny up there is that [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► freedom rock turn it up they sitting in [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► lawn chairs when they said that I just [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► don't think so [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► sitting on lawn chairs but on top of a [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► man my last my last year of college I [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► watched a lot of TV for my work and that [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► commercial was on constantly [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► yeah yeah that was a that commercial was [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► a commercial that became a meta a [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► commercial and in the in the culture [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► right i mean that's the type of thing [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► that Kurt Cobain would have said to [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► Chris Cornell backstage at the VMAs they [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► would have been dead three drock mad [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► gonna spray painted on a shirt [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► yep right and now it's now it's all the [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► way so that only old men would even get [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► the reference which was already i'm like [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► a mocking referenced all like tears in [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► rain that's just good like I feel like [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► two guys in their forties sitting around [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► trading commercial jingles from the [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► seventies and eighties is kind of like [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► that's how i'm going to spend the last [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► 15 years of my life say sitting with [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► shawn wolfe on a porch somewhere going [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► like we don't have a war to talk about [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► high Bologna and weren't there and [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► everyone Lady Liberty with our book of [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► recipes you don't gotta tell you the [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► schoolhouse rock i can recommend it [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► you know I i still feel like there's so [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► much see my daughter my daughter she's [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► entered stage now where she's stupid [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► because she's what we in the expertise [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► business Colin advanced beginner because [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► she knows just enough to think she knows [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► everything you know you're talking about [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► oh sure a recent quote a recent close do [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► you want to watch this episode of cosmos [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► it's about molecules no I already know [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► literally everything there is to know [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► about molecules a and and and this [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► happens all the time right I'm you know [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► I know you know 3 6 9 12 15 18 like [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► there's still that helped me a lot [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► yeah and jammed in between all of those [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► ABC programs was a child that I want [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► for six hours every saturday morning i [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► learned a thing or two from watching [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► those dumb Schoolhouse Rock things over [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► and over and it's still in my head I i [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► would bet you that people of a certain [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► age I bet if you did some kind of Google [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► Ngram turns out i bet you there is a [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► 15-year cohort in there that knows the [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► preamble to the Constitution better than [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► anyone before or since you're right [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► because that's the only reason i can't [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► put anything at length i know john three [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► sixteen i know the preamble to the [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► Constitution because you know I know my [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► Miranda rights not just got to work two [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► roads diverged in a yellow wood and [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► sorry I could not follow both I don't [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► know that there's a bird in a tree up i [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► think that I shall never see a poem [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► lovely as a tree [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► I i miss quite a lot I've taken to I [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► like to source my quotes because I you [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► know basically everybody says Mark Twain [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► has said everything that much I know [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► and he's never said most of it and [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► becomes mad right that are clean said my [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► watches right 2 times a day [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► yeah use that in a song that was a [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► market is there for your son [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► it's super because you know that the [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► preamble to the Constitution the [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► schoolhouse rock actually that that [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► played a very important role in a [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► pivotal moment in my education could [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► interested in sharing it with me [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► well as a matter of fact have I ever [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► told you the story in a seventh grade I [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► so it in Anchorage there were there were [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► in junior high says junior high was 78 [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► as it should be [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► as God intended always a junior high [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► risk middle school habitat changes [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► everything [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► I don't even want to think about what it [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► would be like to go to to go to middle [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► school you know some middle school not [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► to derail you I think middle school [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► would be much easier on a child my [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► goodness that the the difference i mean [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► my gosh what a hellhole seventh grade is [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► listen we're not even we're not even [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► discussing this because clearly those [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► children should not be building trail ya [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► down go ahead of moving right along [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► alright so seventh grade a moving to [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► move into a junior high school and in [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► Anchorage there was a there was a [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► program called packed [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► program for academically and creatively [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► talented and it was one of those like [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► late seventies attempts to segregate the [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► smart kids off where you could you know [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► they were they could play with play-doh [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► or so can have tracks anymore she had to [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► come up with some academic sounding [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► obscure name i was in de o video where [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► do stand for differentiated educational [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► opportunities uh-huh right exactly [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► sounds like the helmet class and Indians [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► in seattle when I left they were [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► pioneering a program called dig which [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► was there ! yea big explanation big [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► difference is one-dimensional interest [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► group or something there yet that was [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► all it was all super suspect and of [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► course when you went away to the pact [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► class and then you came back impact of [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► the digger the do class when you came [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► back to the regular class of course you [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► were hated by everyone because you came [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► back and there was like that yet glue in [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► your hair and it clearly been building [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► rocket ships a differential machine i [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► learned to use the slide my test [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► marketed toys you could dummies [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► anyway when we move into junior high of [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► course that's when you transition to you [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► transition to our long classes that you [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► can move around the school and go to [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► different teachers right in the high [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► school model and yet they maintained a [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► packed programme in the seventh grade [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► and 7th 8th grade so this pact clearly [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► wasn't a thing you could you could have [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► in the high schools but in the junior [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► High's there was still packed but they [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► had put it they put it in over an [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► existing system where there was there [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► were already honors classes or are they [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► were then accelerated was like [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► international baccalaureate no no but it [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► was but that there was already an old [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► school system in place where where [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► advanced students took harder classes ok [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► and then packed [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► was was a thrown into the mix and was [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► regarded as higher than the honors [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► classes so there was a three-tier system [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► in my junior high and again like the [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► honors classes were hard harder classes [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► that were like you're on a college track [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► young person and then the pact classes [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► were both like if you were really a hot [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► shot and also if you were like a nose [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► picker with a bowl haircut that tested [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► well right I mean and this is the [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► problem with the advanced placement [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► classes it's like it the the hotshot [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► kids want to be in the hottest one [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► ok so the accelerated classes that's for [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► kids who want to know what's on the test [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► and get a and the the nerdier was more [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► creative stuff [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► yes right that this was there the late [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► seventies idea that creativity that all [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► we needed to do is activate the [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► creativity in our children and they were [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► going to all be rocket scientists and [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► they were all going to be you know they [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► were going to be little baby Einsteins [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► because what they really needed to do [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► was draw like they what they really need [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► to do an 8th grade withdraw and you know [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► and build like Eiffel Towers out of out [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► of popsicle sticks and so forth [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► anyway so when when I entered junior [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► high I was putting was putting all the [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► pact classes but by the first quarter it [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► was evidence that I was not ready to be [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► in school [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► really I was not I was not ready to be [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► with other people and that must have [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► been an arduous decision for somebody [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► you know we got tracks and we got packs [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► but John just shouldn't be in the [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► building [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► you just shouldn't be here and then what [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► what became apparent was that in grade [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► school I had been able to negotiate an [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► arrangement with my fifth and sixth [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► grade teachers both [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► I negotiated arrangement with that sure [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► where it was like listen I don't wanna [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► I'm not going to be able to do the [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► assignments you have laid out but what [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► if you know you know I could disrupt [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► this everyday from the seat [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► whenever you have to stand up that's [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► right this is how this is gonna go get a [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► real nice class here [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► shame something happened to either i [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► repeat everything you say in a singsong [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► voice while I stick pins in my in the [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► the the in my first wart or or you let [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► me read books independently and i will [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► write book reports for you so you can [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► teach your class and everything will be [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► fine it's still manageable that they [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► still get to be teachers and they get a [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► dignified way out [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► that's right and they get to assign [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► books 22 they got to sign books to me [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► that made them feel like they were [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► really part of the process in any case [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► in junior high [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► nobody was interested in making this [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► arrangement with me because I had six [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► teachers instead of one and so by the [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► end of the first quarter [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► I had failed all my pack classes I'm [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► just you know and and we've never been [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► given really letter grades before it [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► always been sort of checks and plusses [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► environment all of a sudden you know [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► great cards just like really bad shape [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► and the administrators said oh well he [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► obviously doesn't belong impact it's too [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► advanced for him we need to put it back [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► down in the regular classes I don't know [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► how we made this mistake the testing [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► usually is pretty accurate [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► we're going to put it down in the [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► regular classes so he can catch back up [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► with the students and I showed up for [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► set the first day of second quarter and [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► went in and sat in these regular classes [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► with these normal kids and I was so [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► mortified and the teacher was doing it [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► was at the first class first day the [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► teacher was doing some by presentation [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► of like the the Constitution and I stood [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► up and recite it from memory the [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► preamble to the Constitution now of [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► course i was singing the song from the [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► television program we the people in [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► order to win but I was smart enough to [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► sing it to myself in my head and then [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► translated into very formal sounding [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► talk [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► We the People in order to form a more [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► perfect union and the teacher was like [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► so and what what amazed me as I was [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► doing it was that no one in the class [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► recognized what i was doing like this is [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► the third this is the the the only sign [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► I needed that that the normal class was [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► full of ding-a-lings was that no one [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► even understood that I was just singing [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► the song that we all knew what I was [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► just saying it can't play three people [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► didn't just join it [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► nobody everybody just just SAT and [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► stared at me in all and the teacher to [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► and you know about halfway through I'm [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► like I'm I'm orating like Abraham [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► Lincoln in that you know like talking [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► about the Holy smooth tariff this [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► episode of Roderick on the line is once [TS]

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00:15:57 ◼   ► supporting Roderick on the line we could [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► not do it without them the kid the [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► kansas-nebraska act when the boys used [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► to hate your date against your best [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► investigate and find life and the [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► teacher but a stentorian telling that [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► says that you have you've rehearsed this [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► Oh not only that but that I know the if [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► you want to be too sure i could do the [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► whole Constitution stop me when you get [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► bored cuz that's right and uh the [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► teacher you know like hightailed it down [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► to the office and said listen I don't [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► know what this I don't know what kind of [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► kid this is but I we don't need him in [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► my class this is gonna be a problem [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► I don't know the preamble to the [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► Constitution I don't want this kid that [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► does in my class making me look bad and [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► so there was this period there with it [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► and the there was this period [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► intermediate period where I was where [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► they didn't know what class to put me [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► because they couldn't put me in the [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► honors class that was clearly for [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► students serious students who are doing [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► the work they had taken me out of the [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► pack class and they didn't want to put [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► me back in there i had gotten all f's [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► all the children of immigrants with good [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► cursive [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► that's right they are the honors class [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► exactly [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► and then but then in the regular class [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► it was clear i was just gonna throw [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► grenades all day and they're so there [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► was a way there was a the world while [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► there I was just like going to whatever [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► could i would go to different class [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► everyday and finally they were like [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► alright he's serious [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► then they were like okay you go back to [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► the pack class but listen if you're in a [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► company they put you in special projects [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► what they should have done is take me [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► again [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► hand me over to the National probably [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► want to rehash this but I'm gonna say it [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► you know every day someone is born he's [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► never heard about cutting trail it's so [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► the entire house is a crucible let's say [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► crucible crystal clear go yankees [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► corrected me I think I'm crucible that's [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► not wrong so I know crucible ism yeah [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► that's like a normal regular and his [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► emailer are different right [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► anyway the it's excruciating whether you [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► starting six you go six seven eight or [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► you 7th 8th 9th whatever I was seven [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► eight nine and in in florida that the [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► entire experience is excruciating that [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► for everybody involved there's I is not [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► a good outcome for any because there [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► can't be because it is a priori a [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► horrible existential struggle for every [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► person who is that age and every single [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► person who has to have any interaction [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► with that horrible little person its [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► there's no wait i mean you can make [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► tracks all day long you can make special [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► projects all day long but I mean that [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► the whole thing it's amazing it just [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► seems like to be a junior higher middle [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► school especially junior high teacher [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► you you really need your almost like a [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► prison guard but you're really just like [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► I just don't want to get shipped today [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► like the entire experience has got to be [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► so dispiriting with moments of joy but [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► like you're you know you're such a role [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► such little crazy monkeys in that period [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► you know just are your hormones are just [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► tearing you apart in ways that you can't [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► begin to understand you have to interact [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► with people whose hormones are tearing [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► them apart [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► it's a it's a message he'll kids aren't [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► even sexy at that age [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► mm well yeah yeah I'll go with that [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► hi I I figured out Marlon I figured out [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► the vehicle then i'm going to use as a [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► mobile junior high school that my own [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► daughter is it a custom white van when I [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► take her out [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► no no [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► hey uncle Jack's poor junior haha i'm [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► just going to park across the street [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► from the realtor i will take kids really [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► want to learn something trouble reading [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► the plates they got some mud on know you [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► know might my plan to my plan 22 [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► throughout the junior high years [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► well originally was to drive a jeep to [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► chair del Fuego yeah but an inexpensive [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► cheap that would necessarily require [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► repairs along the way that's right [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► that's right but but I i cannot i cannot [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► navigate the the Colombian gap there [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► whatever the hell that thing is called [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► you know the you know the one I'm [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► talking about i don't because there's [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► not a schoolhouse rock on it [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► um the you know right there right there [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► in Panama there's this there's this [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► swamp and the suave sort of between the [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► border of Panama and Colombia it's [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► called like the it's the Darien Gap [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► that's right so as they say in business [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► you're pivoting you are you taking the [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► essence of the of this the building's [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► Ramon that you're going to go on with [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► your daughter you're pivoting and what's [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► the new direction [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► well the new direction I mean obviously [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► the first my first choice would be to [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► spearhead a project to build a road to [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► the darién gap ja right now what would [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► you do what would teach her a little [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► person more than to watch her father [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► build a road through an impassable [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► jungle but that seems unlikely given [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► given the will of the people i don't [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► think that i don't think there is the [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► will you get that you get the right [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► contract the people in North and South [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► America need to have a need to have the [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► will to join together and build a road [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► through this impassable jungle but until [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► that happens I think the new project is [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► to buy a GMC a GMC RV and you got it you [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► got a google this because it's in [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► because it's a fantastic that there was [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► a period when General Motors in the in [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► the early seventies from like 72 7800 [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► yes general motors built a recreational [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► vehicle where they used all of the to [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► all of their top technology it and they [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► said this is going to be our flagship [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► device on his hands on the second is [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► google bus meet supertrain right it's [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► like it's like it's like a super [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► training Superman Superman and I've been [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► inside a few of these things now and [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► they are extremely extremely like [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► comfortable kind of that the the ride [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► height is pretty low to the ground there [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► on these pneumatic shocks the berry that [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► lots of light inside and they like [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► General Motors for whatever reason [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► thought like in 1972 the recreational [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► vehicle is the way of the future from [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► and we are gonna we are going to make [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► the best recreational vehicle that's [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► ever been made and they made they made [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► him only for six years and they were too [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► expensive [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► nobody could afford it's right in the [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► middle of the gas crisis all the cars [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► are getting tiny exactly and so it ended [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► up it was it's not like these in like [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► 5-10 miles to the gallon maybe no I [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► think they're actually i think you know [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► I think well I mean it's got a big motor [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► but i think they do pretty well you know [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► considering that during the Reagan years [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► we made it a national policy to see how [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► how little of gas saving technology we [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► can use in cars cable game there was a [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► little game like hey this the the new [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► explorer only gets 11 miles to the [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► gallon didn't remember when we started [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► making fuel efficient vehicles again a [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► few years ago and they were like this [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► car gets 30 miles to the gallon isn't [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► that amazing and it was like the car's [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► got 30 miles to the gallon to move 30 [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► years ago [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► well they want to say for they using [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► that part of it is that I mean if you [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► could drive around in a Pinto or [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► something but you got t-boned by by up [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► you know ltd you're gone [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► right i just want to get our listeners I [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► I know most of you have computers and [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► will google i really want to encourage [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► you to look at these because when you [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► said GM cr-v of course my first thinking [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► of an Airstream i'm thinking of a [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► Winnebago but no I mean it really is [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► like a of a van on steroids tons of [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► Windows that you get that interior I [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► just sent you just look at this look at [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► that it's got wood paneling inside it's [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► got a sink it really is like an RV but [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► it really is like a big van now it [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► doesn't have the the balloon feeling of [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► a Winnebago it really feels like [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► something you could you get into a [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► parking lot maybe right and the thing is [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► it's hyper what I love about it is that [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► they're designed in this hyper efficient [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► way so that for instance the it's got [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► like one of those European toilets [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► showers where you just go into the [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► bathroom and whatever you do that if you [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► want the whole bathroom is a shower and [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► a one of the other things as you can so [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► the via the bench there in the front who [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► the back of the bench flips up and [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► becomes a bunk bed and then the the [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► little table the little diner style [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► table becomes a queen-size bed better [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► screen size bed in the back and then the [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► the closet door and the bathroom door [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► both open into the hall in such a way [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► that it becomes like a jack-and-jill [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► door where the the bedroom in the back [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► can go into the bathroom and there's [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► always a door closed between it and the [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► front of the claret clever design and [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► then people in the front can go to the [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► bathroom and somebody in the back [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► bedroom can always have a door closed [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► like you know it's just very it's very [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► nicely done so i'm going to get one of [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► these and this is going to be like this [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► is going to be a proof-of-concept [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► supertrain proof-of-concept who can [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► drive around America we're going to [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► maybe solve some crimes [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► we're going to investigate you know what [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► maybe we'll probit the Darien Gap [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► although my research indicates that you [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► can't get very far [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► even in a Land Rover let alone in a GMC [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► RV but I feel like again so you know you [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► may recognize this because i believe [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► that this was the this was the basis of [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► the the combat vehicle and stripes that [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► they took over in 20 mike-mike right [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► right isn't that the I yeah I could [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► totally see that it's the stripes RV [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► platform [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► I want this so much i know i know and so [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► but the thing is I'm looking inside [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► again i'm just looking at these interior [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► shots it looks like you could very [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► easily if you want to do some some [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► classic book learning you have ample [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► space you have you can have a salon type [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► environment um have an open discussion [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► this area's we could sit into your work [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► at a table the the driver and passenger [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► seats swivel around captain seats bigger [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► agency they become like you know you can [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► kind of lord it over the people who are [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► there in your living room and that's the [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► thing i mean once you what [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► once you're the captain of a vehicle [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► like this you know it's it becomes a [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► situation where nobody gets nobody sits [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► in the captain's chair but the captain [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► Oh what you're just going to ask your [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► classroom and the teacher see I don't [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► think so now you know so this is the [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► culmination of a dream for you John you [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► could potentially to and play music in [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► this but we also get to teach while [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► you're driving and being outside the [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► system that's right i feel like i feel [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► it's win-win [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► it's a pretty wonderful vehicle and and [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► you know if the if like storage [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► opportunities were maximizing I could [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► totally take a bunch of guitars in there [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► too but it's got that it's also let's [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► get big air conditioners got all the big [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► storage on top [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► mm it's sort of like a bill bixby as the [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► Hulk man but the thing I don't have the [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► on the run and we can maybe a little bit [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► of of shazam right it's really appeals [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► to a middle-aged man in a certain way it [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► really does [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► yeah you just get this thing and go [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► self-contained em just driving around [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► just stay in walmart parking lots we [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► don't think about this is you could park [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► it that's the thing you could Park this [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► vehicle in the ins on city streets [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► yeah it'sit's I don't want to say that [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► it's it is kind of the form factor of a [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► stretched-out van but it is kind is [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► definitely an RV so what I mean like [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► Walmart like what the walmart have a [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► whole thing where you can park in the [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► parking lot for free [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► is that still a thing that's still a [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► thing yeah there's a lot of Walmart's [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► John i know they figured that out but [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► behind the problem with that of course [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► is that that's not everywhere you want [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► to be you never want to be in a woman to [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► start and I'm also thinking you could [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► fortify this if you get some i don't i [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► don't know if I about militarizing [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► vehicles but it seems to me that with [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► the right kind of cop shocks cop breaks [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► cop suspension you could really make [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► this thing work if you i think what i [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► would do is i watch stripes multiple [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► times and figure out exactly how like [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► how about how they come battle fide that [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► ok so maybe maybe the first trip is you [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► you bring along a tivo & you show your [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► daughter stripes your blues brothers you [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► sure the short-lived a terrible NBC TV [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► movie supertrain you should hurt what [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► can happen when you just get out on the [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► road maybe some of the road movies with [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► my open my legs I i I'm just gonna I'm [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► gonna give her some crayons i'm going to [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► give her some popsicle sticks and I'm [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► gonna say listen let your creativity [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► Rome em we don't have to beat the [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► Russians to the moon anymore but we do [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► have to beat unnamed Russians we have to [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► beat we have to be a metaphorical [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► Russians in our in our you know in our [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► quest to be like the next gen is so we [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► don't lose the motorhome gap it was [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► that's right we don't we don't we don't [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► we don't be on the wrong side of the [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► motorhome gap I i do I feel like this is [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► I feel like this is it's in my future [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► somewhere i talked to some guy on the [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► phone the other day and I was like to [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► know who was selling one of these and [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► his actually was was like a giant gold [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► easter egg like this one leaves at me [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► but they're only 26 feet long so you [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► know the big Garvey's or 40 feet long [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► the 26 footer is like it kind of is [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► it's small enough that it it doesn't [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► register a lot of the media this is one [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► of those vehicles that like you look for [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► the European cargo vans very kind of a [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► look at it twice [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► yeah that's bigger than it seems maybe [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► that these are driving on the roads all [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► around us and we just don't see them you [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► know they have that stone technology [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► like it's just small and weird enough [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► looking at you that you're I doesn't [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► pick up on it but they might be [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► everywhere [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► yeah i'm starting to notice them you [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► know I think there's a community of [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► people to this is no this is where this [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► community building kind of vehicles for [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► sure [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► yeah well in imagine if you could get [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► the cutting trail road program going for [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► seventh graders were compelled to go [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► into service to cut trail imagine if you [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► were the director of that and I'm saying [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► you got time your daughter's not a few [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► years to grow up a little bit [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► wouldn't it be great if you got to a [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► time where you could be the guy who goes [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► and you're the inspector for that like [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► if you're retired director of the trail [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► cutting program and you just drive your [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► GMC RV with your daughter your guitars [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► from place to place you know America [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► just checking in checking and make sure [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► trail is being cut and sew so put so by [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► day your tyrannical enforcer of middle [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► school discipline and then biting your [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► sensitive singer-songwriter I'm you know [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► and I true i'm counting the money [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► already imagine imagine the people that [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► would come to the shows all of it all [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► the fans of the all the fans of the of [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► the program simply an American hear [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► about that and you can go for parents [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► night were like once let's say once [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► every month or two [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► your parents come visit you briefly not [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► pass you anything [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► well know what you write you you you [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► meet you meet there in the big in the [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► big hall there is no touching [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► I I feel like I feel like something has [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► to happen where where we are able to can [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► we are able to galvanize the will of the [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► people again I don't feel like we can do [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► that so much anymore [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► right the people feel burned the people [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► have had their will galvanized multiple [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► times fucked up projects over and [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► nobody's into a big project anymore [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► he is also that you know this side as [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► we've certainly talked about at length I [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► mean everybody knows so much who they [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► aren't and when they're not into and [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► what kind of stuff is screwed them were [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► also hypersensitive to all these things [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► that haven't worked out before I think I [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► think America needs a hero some somebody [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► that can get out there are some you know [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► an organization where I mean you know go [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► walk around America and notice how many [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► things were built as like wpa projects [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► right or the freaking interstate can you [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► imagine can you imagine America having [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► the will to build an interstate highway [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► system now right was like okay here's [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► the project we're going to do this big [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► thing and we're going to come into the [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► center of every major city and teardown [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► of a six-block wide stripe right through [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► the heart of town but we need to do this [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► we need to do this because we need these [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► roads so avatar hell of a story it's an [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► incredible story that has not been told [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► I was going to say that I mean like all [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► the stuff you know I our friend John [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► circuses always talking about the [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► supposed a fantastic biography of robert [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► moses the-the-the gonna be like you know [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► it's almost tore down half of New York [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► City it out that sounds fascinating but [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► I mean that's the stuff behind the [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► scenes that's that's so incredible [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► think about how much eminent domain had [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► to happen in order to get the highways [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► built its insane it absolutely i mean [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► when you just looking at overhead [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► pictures of Seattle and listening to my [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► mom talked about it where they you know [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► they picked they picked the route of the [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► interstate through the city where where [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► it would be kind of the least disruptive [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► like they cut it through the steepest [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► hills I guess so [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► so it is they didn't like have to tear [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► down any office buildings and it wasn't [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► really like it a lot of the land was [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► already somewhat fallow but it also went [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► through like basically the nicest [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► neighborhood in the city while we're all [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► of the [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► big homes were sitting up on the bluff [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► with panoramic views and they just wiped [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► it out and my mom said at a at a certain [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► point in like whatever that was nineteen [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► sixty that there were barges floating [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► out of the city all the time with big [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► Victorian homes on them where somebody [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► had bought up victorian home for a [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► dollar for and put it on a truck taking [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► it down to the lake put it on a barge [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► floated it out through the locks and [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► apparently I haven't been able to [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► research this because I've been too busy [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► looping my guitar over and over over a [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► drum machine for the last seven years [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► but apparently all through Puget Sound [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► there are maybe if you're on a boat will [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► be motoring along and then back in the [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► trees they will suddenly be this like [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► Victorian home on an acre of land and [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► you're like how the hell did that get [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► out here and it is it's one of these [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► homes from Seattle's like Harvard [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► neighborhood that was trucked away as [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► they were cutting you know cutting [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► through what would have been I guess to [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► full blocks of homes across the center [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► of the town and that's not I mean in [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► seattle was was not a town that had a [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► lot of at the time you know any [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► political influence nationally or any [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► real there wasn't any way that's Seattle [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► could even raise a fuss about and I [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► think everybody here was like sure [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► America cares about us while we're in [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► the story we get a we get a stiletto a [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► small town if I can get an interstate [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► through us [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► Wow course will do whatever you say but [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► like I mean cutting the interstates [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► through the center of Detroit cutting [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► the interstates through the center of [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► chicago i mean these were for massive [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► projects and everybody just went along [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► you know you don't have you never seen a [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► photograph of like the big protests [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► the big interstate highway protests [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► where everybody came out in droves and [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► said hell no we won't go [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► I mean you you find you get wind of the [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► idea that there might be a crate and [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► barrel built in five years and you're [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► going to 500 people there [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► yeah exactly i mean and think about [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► think about the things we protest now [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► the kind of did the kind of like little [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► development me with the the music [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► Commission just got instituted a program [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► here where we put up signs in front of [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► about five or six venues where it says [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► musician parking and it was just it was [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► just like a like an idea that the music [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► Commission had like let's just put up [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► musician parking signs so that musicians [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► who are loading and unloading their gear [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► out in front of the venue don't keep [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► getting ticketed by the city which is [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► you know been a problem the whole time [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► I've been here a problem of it not being [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► allowed or probably the police not [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► knowing that it's okay for them to be [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► well it isn't okay that's the thing like [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► all the all the venues have that they're [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► there is no special parking so anywhere [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► else you tour in America or in the world [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► you drive up to the venue and they put a [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► couple of cones out out in front of the [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► venue and you park your van there and [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► and then your van can stay there all [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► night because other cities aren't crazy [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► in florida you can live in it for two [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► years affect the the only cities that [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► you can't do that our new york where [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► they're just like happiness for anybody [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► like fuck you [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► UPS trucks keep moving while giving do [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► it for its and Seattle and I guess San [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► Francisco also has a little bit of this [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► problem but anyway we put up these these [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► musician parking signs and there was a [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► huge outcry just from black people in [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► the neighborhood who were like wait a [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► minute what where's my friend that [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► wasn't I consulted yeah and it's like [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► wow it was only like 50 years ago that [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► now that we that we were bulldozing [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► entire neighborhoods that we were [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► ripping up the city to build the [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► interstate on no further like no further [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► authority than just like Eisenhower said [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► for the Germans really have a good idea [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► what these highway [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► and then somebody connected it to the to [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► the idea that we we needed them to [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► escape in the event of a nuclear war say [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► we got the internet is that right well [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► as i understand it the DARPA program [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► that led to what we think of as the [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► internet today started out as a way to I [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► you know what I'm going to say anything [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► it's a computer math think its a math [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► that's been it started as dark as a [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► defense project that [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► yeah what became the internet but the [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► idea that the idea that that we would [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► get an alert may have just enough [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► warning to hop into Archie c rvs and get [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► out of town and all those remember [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► remember the sirens that used to set up [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► on top of phone poles [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► yeah you know they were all our Clarkson [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► yeah and then you would you you know [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► you'd grab the kids jump into the GMC RV [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► and hit these expressways and what we're [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► going to be able to empty out the city's [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► for on the on the interstate highways [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► and all the people would roam out into [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► the hall that you know hit it all get [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► out of the blast zone and and they'd [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► they'd like camp out somewhere they [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► developed a burning man type of think a [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► moment like over the over the hills from [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► the town we made it let's make an art [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► car and said somehow that that was like [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► that that fantasy was all it took to [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► galvanize like the bulldozer people and [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► the the home [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► oh sure hey we can do that you know like [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► sure that sounds that that's absolutely [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► that's a lot of concrete and sounds good [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► to me and we built this incredible thing [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► and now think think about even the [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► smallest national pro well think about [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► fucking Obamacare what a dolt what a [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► dumb no-brainer [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► you know there's not even you don't have [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► to tear down a single building to build [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► Obamacare and it's just like it's it [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► might as well be it might as well be [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► that that Obama said I'm going to come [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► into each home and take the oldest child [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► i'll be over he hit that you know you [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► know that and and and and Democrats that [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► have donated a lot of money to my [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► campaign get a little bit of lambs blood [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► on the door model tough but think about [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► what it would take and the thing is we [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► need we need it we need to build a [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► bridge to the Darien Gap we need to we [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► need to build up you know we need to [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► build like for instance a co2 a like [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► sequestering system on all the coal [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► plants right that's it that's a no [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► brainer to write all the coal-burning [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► plants they all need a CEO to sequester [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► or I don't know much about that I i know [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► that coal is not good for the [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► environment it's tough to get off of so [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► the interim solution is to mean less and [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► less emissions that the idea [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► well yeah cool we're not gonna get off [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► colon the next five years [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► we're not going to get off Cole and to [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► build a 2 and everything is like there's [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► no such thing as clean coal it's all it [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► but there it but it is possible to build [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► like us temp scrubber system that takes [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► a lot of the the garbage that gets shot [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► up into space and like captures it and [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► we can compress that we can compress [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► those noxious carbons and then re-inject [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► them back into the earth who that's one [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► thing we can do that sounds complicated [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► it's pretty complicated but not as [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► complicated as building an interstate [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► highway system [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► yeah but right now it's like each coal [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► plant looks at looks at the balance [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► books and says well that's what do we [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► get out of that like that's a big [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► investment and it doesnt it's this [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► really makes you want to read up on this [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► now because if you think about stuff [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► like you know me i guess a classic [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► example is to my head would be something [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► like the gauge of railroads or you know [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► how like how railroad tracks relate like [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► if you want the trains to be able to go [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► everywhere they all have to be on the [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► same kind of track otherwise it's going [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► to have some pretty serious problems [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► and I'm guessing that came about [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► probably because the people who owned [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► the most railway you know miles were [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► able to kind of push that through to be [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► that whatever they wanted to for the [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► trains that they they had botter however [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► that works but it's incredible to think [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► like you know and this could be farcical [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► this is like a sin and live sketch [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► honestly to think about what it would be [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► like today to try and convince Arkansas [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► Massachusetts utah and Oregon to agree [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► on like what a highway should look like [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► today [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► well yeah I mean you saw this the other [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► the other day never never tried on the [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► highway and go I don't understand this [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► highway they all work the same yeah you [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► saw the other day when I went on Twitter [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► and was like why the hell you know [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► because I i bought a new macbook air i [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► wrote a magazine article on it i saved [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► it right [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► sure you did what basis and the cloud i [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► saved it and then and then the person [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► who I wrote it for one of it [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► mmm loud i put it in an email and I sent [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► it to the first is the email in the [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► cloud will be bracketed I can't open [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► this calling your front it said when we [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► can open it I i bought a brand-new [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► macintosh computer and i wrote a thing I [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► wrote a thing on it I've done this [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► before another Macintosh's the city done [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► it and I said it to you hear anything [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► can open he's like it's in the notes in [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► a format i don't recognize and so I had [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► to go and then I realized well as a [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► pages document [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► yeah yeah and I went and I realized that [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► it automatically saves itself in a [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► format that no one else can read and you [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► can ask it to save it to save the [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► document as a word file or as a dock or [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► whatever but but its native environment [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► is to save itself in a dot gr X Y it's a [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► lot like a teenage boy its default mode [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► is to be unreadable buy anything else [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► and difficult to work with [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► yeah so and it's like this is a [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► brand-new thing that I just bought this [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► is this is the direction we're headed [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► not the direction we are coming from and [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► so I go on the internet and I'm like why [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► the fuck would end [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► anybody build a thing these days that [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► does that isn't readable by everybody [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► and I get 25 replies from people that [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► are like well why of the what why does [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► it every a gun fire the same cartridge [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► restoring your firm and you know like [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► all this all this kind of like huffy [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► puffy back pushing from people that run [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► the analogy police [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► yeah whatever exactly four minutes from [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► the people who who have grown up in a [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► world where 75 different railroad gauges [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► is what they think is a normal normal [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► way of doing business and Microsoft and [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► Google and Apple all have a different [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► gauge of railroad and somebody sent me a [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► link to a cartoon which was like every [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► time somebody says let's get a standard [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► that everybody can use all it does is [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► add one more unreadable standard to the [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► bottom of the frame and it's like that [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► of course but that is that only seems [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► like the world because it's the only [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► world you know but as you're saying [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► there were 25 different railroad gauges [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► in 1815 every single person had the [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► right term for a gauge yeah and in fact [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► until very recently like the first time [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► I went to the first time I wanted a big [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► European train trip in 1986 when you [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► cross the border from France to Spain [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► Spain was on a different gauge and they [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► use your they would drive the train into [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► a into a little a special terminal and I [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► don't know if I've told you this before [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► then even believe me but I have one here [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► they drove the train into a special sort [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► of facility and they lifted the entire [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► train off of its running gear they roll [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► the wheels out and i but yes for an [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► entire train and rolled the new wheels [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► underneath the train will never change [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► its shoes [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► yes while you're still on it oh my god [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► over the train down onto its new wheels [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► so that so that the train could continue [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► on and I did not know that that if [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► that's safe [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► I can't believe that's possible that is [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► what it used to be now it's not that way [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► anymore [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► but because and and what it required was [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► that Spain undergo this incredible [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► process of like ripping up all the [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► railroad tracks to conform to the system [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► that's for some reason for 50 years [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► beforehand throughout the fruit [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► throughout Franco's rain or whatever [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► they just had this i just decided they [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► were a different gauge but I mean if [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► you're absolutely right to make that [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► analogy there it could have been a [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► system in which every single little [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► regional rail road is operating on its [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► own any of course that is true of the [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► narrow gauge railways of like mining [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► communities and so forth that little [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► that little train that goes from Durango [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► Colorado up to gunnison or whatever is [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► is a narrow gauge train but the idea of [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► a standard it shouldn't be that it [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► shouldn't be that crazy and what it what [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► it requires is yeah the either that the [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► idea that the people will it or that [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► somebody be enough in charge that they [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► can impose it but and this is why this [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► is why i think the people this is it [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► this is the one thing about the rise of [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► China that really impresses me in that [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► they have a dictatorial system and so [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► the Chinese can impose like countrywide [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► projects and reforms and I mean and they [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► do their priorities are are all over the [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► map so it's really you know some [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► sometimes they're there countrywide [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► reforms are we're going to cut everyones [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► nipples off and the you know that and [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► it's like that seems crazy and we were [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► all like what the fuck are they doing [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► but for instance this co2 sequestering [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► of their coal plants because China is [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► making more coal pollution than anywhere [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► else in the world by by a hundred times [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► but they are actually investing in this [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► technology and they have the they have [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► the nationwide will to just if they [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► choose to just impose it and know and [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► and to whatever degree effects profits [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► or to whatever degree you know there's [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► not [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► they don't have to deal with a hundred [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► different boards of [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► directors they're not having like local [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► meetings at the ymca with free coffee to [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► talk about what we feel about this [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► stoplight well and and it's it's not [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► just that but they don't have to deal [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► with with the Koch brothers or the or [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► Donald Trump opining about it they just [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► decide like oh this is this is actually [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► the future and this is what we have to [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► do and so boom we do it and it's the [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► pits what is so messy about a democracy [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► but but but i can't i'm increasingly [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► finding less and less it in these big [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► terms less unless to love about the mess [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► of democracy when you're when you talk [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► about it in terms of these global [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► problems like this at this I guess is [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► the problem with with global warming and [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► why global warming has become a proxy [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► for the for the capitalists to end the [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► hippies to fight through is that [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► ultimately the capitalists have decided [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► that the mess of democracy works for [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► them in certain ways and the and really [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► to to make a like we built the [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► interstate highway systems and it did [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► not imperil democracy you know what I [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► mean we [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► that was something that was imposed from [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► on high it was a nationwide program [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► people made a lot of money off of it it [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► didn't we didn't come out of the [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► interstate highway building system as a [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► as any more of an old darky then we were [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► going in but but now the capitalists are [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► afraid if we if we do a similar thing [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► with it with 22 to try and make progress [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► on the global warming problem right that [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► that what that it's inevitably trending [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► toward a kind of statist like over [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► government [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► because we couldn't because capitalism [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► could possibly survive one of these big [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► projects in so instead of thinking of [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► that kind of democracy as a way to put [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► our smart heads together for some [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► greater good [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► it's it's about focusing on all these [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► different voices right and this is I [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► don't help him that changing the topic [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► but it makes me think of places that [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► I've worked and just teams that I've [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► been around a nice i think especially [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► this comes up on places that end up [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► having what i would call coming maybe an [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► overabundance of caution or are [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► sometimes happens family-owned [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► businesses very conservative [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► conservative you know in terms of [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► decision-making that politics but [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► there's this thing that happens a lot of [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► the time where it helps it happens a lot [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► in computer mass culture where there [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► will be a certain kind of thing where [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► like you know regardless of the merits [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► of something but let's assume that it's [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► something that is theoretically a really [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► good idea [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► there's this thing that can happen [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► sometimes and I definitely felt this [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► like you know in college at like town [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► meetings as we used to call it kind of [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► always felt like well here's this [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► there's this idea and there's a lot of [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► energy and enthusiasm be truck between [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► amongst all these people into for trying [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► to make this good thing are causing this [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► could change to happen for example you [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► know there's a noise ordinance and we [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► want to keep having parties and we're [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► young enough to really want a loud party [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► but also old enough and mature enough to [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► understand that we have to get along [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► with the community and so we have to [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► govern ourselves in order to be able to [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► keep having parties so can we have a [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► pretty loud party less often or should [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► we do we really want to get to where [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► somebody from the community shows up [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► with a noise meter every Friday night [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► ideally we would make it so that those [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► we have a good relationship with those [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► people and and so forth but the thing is [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► it takes a certain amount of maturity [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► and getting your head on your own ass in [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► order to make something even like a loud [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► party happen a very immature for the [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► thing but it seems like in some [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► organizations and some groups left to [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► their own devices instead it becomes an [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► exercise in in like listening for the [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► one voice who gets to kill the entire [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► idea by Fiat because they dye bomb in [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► with some kind of think of the children [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► thing [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► or some kind of what about my property [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► values or whatever it is but it just it [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► seems like sometimes you know especially [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► in this increasingly melodramatic kind [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► of culture we've got it's not that [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► difficult for those really loud voices [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► to be the ones that like start to define [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► the entire debate and maybe it's always [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► been that way maybe just that [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► everybody's got a megaphone a cannon now [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► but it seems like you know even like [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► really really simple things and finally [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► on this i guess one thing I learned the [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► project manager is to the to the best of [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► my ability possible i would i would try [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► to never ask people for permission to do [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► anything [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► instead I would offer an implementation [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► solution for something that was [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► obviously a good idea which is another [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► way of saying we need to do something [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► about working with communion this noise [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► ordinance I'd be happy to set up a [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► meeting go to and then bringing my men [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► my notes when i'm done like here's a [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► great idea and I'll do the work that [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► kind of thing helps a lot but instead it [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► becomes kind of namby-pamby let's- try [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► and put out this idea and we're already [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► kind of scared to even talk about this [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► big idea and then once we do we let the [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► conversation become completely overrun [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► by some of the the wildest or loudest [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► opinions and then that puts off all the [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► same people who would ordinarily get [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► involved in that discussion which I cut [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► myself amongst a lot of the time right [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► doesn't feel like a thing I mean you [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► know obviously not everybody got a [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► square deal probably on the interstate [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► highway system but thank god we've got [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► it now [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► how many industries today like we would [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► never have existed if we didn't have a [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► highway system but you know if you let [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► one person who is again it be the one [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► who decided to knock down the entire [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► program you know with somebody do right [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► I think about this all the time that [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► that obviously there were always people [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► that stood up a town meetings and yelled [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► there were always people that had tin [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► foil inside their hats there were always [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► people that that felt like everybody was [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► out to get them but something really [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► dramatically has changed so that we [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► don't anymore [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► gavel those people down you know what I [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► mean like like in nineteen fifty people [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► stood up at town meetings and said ah [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► the room com trails of fluoride in the [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► water right and then at a certain point [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► the chairman of the committee rang his [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► gavel on the table [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► and they said let's you know let's take [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► this to the like I I think we've heard [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► all we need to hear and you know and [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► sometimes those guys got carried out of [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► the room or whatever but now every [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► single person that gets up in a town [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► meeting has got some has got dealy [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► boppers on his hat and up left and right [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► and there is no there's no more you know [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► in the threat the threat that has [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► pitched at every at every elected [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► official is that if you if you adopt [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► that kind of Imperial like we're just [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► we're just going to go ahead and move on [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► this that in the next election [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► boy you're going to hear about it you're [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► going to hear that you are you know [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► we're going to speak truth to power [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► yeah that's right and and it's the whole [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► minutes [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► its the hole I I know you hate talking [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► about the Tea Party but but you know the [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► tea party that the the analog to the tea [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► party on the left is really the whole [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► intellectual left is willing to has been [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► willing to burn down the what the the [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► part of the system that was working in [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► order to make the point about the part [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► of the system that wasn't work and when [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► you think about the idea that we had not [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► very long ago I mean there we were [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► opposed to the WTO because it seemed [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► like it was just a it was just a [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► clinton-era money-grab but I think [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► everybody of our generation has imagined [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► in one way or another a global economy [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► and a global system of government at [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► least I mean because it was Woodrow [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► Wilson's idea it was the it was the it [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► was the marshall plan it was the UH the [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► idea of the United Nations all these [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► were like we're moving in this direction [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► clearly we need an international [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► tribunal that can settle these disputes [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► we don't want to keep having awards we [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► have to be growing out of war and and so [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► we're going to develop these these large [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► systems and they were always the [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► Rockefellers and the pointy hats that [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► were like we're not going to turn over [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► American sovereignty to some United [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► Nations Organization that's [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► full of reds and frenches but in fact [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► like what is the alternative 200 years [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► from now five hundred years from now [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► seriously they're still going to be [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► there still going to be 200 little [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► countries all with different railroad [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► gauges all bickering about who gets to [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► kill minke whales and who gets to dump [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► their transmission fluid into the ocean [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► like no it isn't it is not the future [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► clearly and yet and yet in America we [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► can't even agree i mean-- in washington [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► state the the left coast of washington [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► and the right coast of Washington can't [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► even come together over what what you [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► know where to put our tax dollars the [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► people over and over in the on the [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► Palouse want to spend our tax money [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► punishing girls who have had sex with [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► their boyfriends the people on the Left [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► Coast want to legalize pot and and have [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► granola running through the the pipes [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► into our homes and so imagine like [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► trying to get people to agree like oh [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► you know what [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► like we need to cooperate with England [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► France Germany Belgium and Spain on a [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► like on a larger project of a of cutting [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► co2 emissions not by ten percent but by [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► ninety percent like we need to cooperate [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► with China and you know what China wants [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► us to make some concessions to and it's [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► not just a case where we are lecturing [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► china but they want us to make some [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► concessions to who [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► how would you how would you get the [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► American people to support a thing like [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► that you know you China's done a lot of [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► bad stuff John china is bad probably [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► shouldn't work with them and you know if [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► we let China dictate to us one thing [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► then that means pretty soon we all are [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► eating chicken feet [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► yeah and uh and they're not letting us [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► have as many babies as we wanted for [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► that's how it starts [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► that is how it starts so I mean I don't [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► you know for myself when I said that [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► while I bed and dream it's like well [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► clearly we need to work as a we need to [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► figure out a way to work as a planet [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► oh my god i hate myself i made myself [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► hurt i hate that I even said that [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► happens to me about twice a month and i [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► just want to kill myself something like [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► speaking in bumper stickers to you now [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► speaking in bumper stickers to you now [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► never did your visualize whirled peace [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► haha i'm visualizing whirled peas right [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► now [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► yeah yeah it was so I was going to ask [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► you when you think roughly plus or minus [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► like where there was weather events when [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► you think this kind of change in [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► discourse really took place but you know [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► I guess yeah and you think about that [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► for a minute but I'm just like I'm also [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► just thinking this is this is really [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► just me up in the peanut gallery looking [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► down but maybe it's just by virtue of [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► the fact that i do see stuff like social [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► media and and I just see how pervasive [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► that's become as the way that we express [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► everything and you know on the one end [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► of the spectrum you've got this feeling [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► amongst people it seems to be like if I [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► don't take a photo of this and put it up [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► it didn't actually happen there's that [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► that's starting to seem kind of like a [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► real thing like amongst a lot of people [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► and then you know at the other end [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► you've got I guess what I'm trying to [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► get at is it I'm really it is really [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► starting to feel like it's becoming [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► difficult for people to this is awful [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► but it it really honestly old guy [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► talking here it really starting to feel [TS]

01:01:09 ◼   ► like it's becoming least difficult for [TS]

01:01:11 ◼   ► me to see an important difference and I [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► guess I'll just go on a limb and say I [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► think its tip is getting difficult for [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► people to separate their idea of [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► themselves from their opinions from the [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► body politic from america's next top [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► model or whatever it is it really seems [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► like everybody is supposed to have an [TS]

01:01:29 ◼   ► extremely strong and deeply held [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► conviction about big issues as well as [TS]

01:01:35 ◼   ► things that just happened and if you [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► have no opinion or if you have a light [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► opinion or if you're open to getting [TS]

01:01:40 ◼   ► more information [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► you're kind of not a fully branded [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► character yet and in order to in order [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► to fulfill your personal brand online [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► and therefore consequently in your life [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► you have to come down super hard on one [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► side and then stick to it and maybe it's [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► always been that way it's just that now [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► there's so much on the wine you know [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► when you're when you're sitting there i [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► was wanting to sit there and yell at the [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► TV what President Nixon was talking and [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► it's another thing now to be to be part [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► of these these coalition's of people [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► these little flash mobs [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► the flash / lynch mobs of people who are [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► constantly looking for what what latest [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► indignity or-or-or problem they can [TS]

01:02:18 ◼   ► decide to rally around and just this [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► really is not that much [TS]

01:02:23 ◼   ► there's not that much incentive anymore [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► for somebody to just be kind of a reason [TS]

01:02:28 ◼   ► person who shows up and listens and says [TS]

01:02:30 ◼   ► things sometimes but it just I think [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► that's making it harder i know that's [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► obvious but i really i think that's a [TS]

01:02:35 ◼   ► bigger problem than most of us are [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► willing to admit because then each side [TS]

01:02:39 ◼   ► benefits from stoking those people and [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► from getting more and more and more dug [TS]

01:02:43 ◼   ► in on that one side and it's not just [TS]

01:02:45 ◼   ► doesn't filters that much incentive out [TS]

01:02:47 ◼   ► there to go out and try and become a [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► reason person who can figure out what [TS]

01:02:51 ◼   ► you're willing to give away in order to [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► make something good happen right [TS]

01:02:54 ◼   ► I I don't want to be too [TS]

01:02:58 ◼   ► Roderick on the line about it but this [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► is on the camp but well no I and and [TS]

01:03:06 ◼   ► this will at this will sort of i think [TS]

01:03:09 ◼   ► ignite you in a different way but for me [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► there was this there's this splintering [TS]

01:03:16 ◼   ► that started with Hagel and at nita [TS]

01:03:23 ◼   ► really there was there was a a [TS]

01:03:27 ◼   ► splintering of what of what we thought [TS]

01:03:31 ◼   ► of what we understood to be the Western [TS]

01:03:36 ◼   ► tradition and at the at Foucault the the [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► idea that we were the the idea that the [TS]

01:03:50 ◼   ► relationship between the that knowledge [TS]

01:03:56 ◼   ► and power were these things that that we [TS]

01:04:00 ◼   ► could get outside of and look down on [TS]

01:04:03 ◼   ► and see the relationships between and we [TS]

01:04:06 ◼   ► could decode and we could we could like [TS]

01:04:10 ◼   ► apprehend the systems of control [TS]

01:04:15 ◼   ► in a way that we could intervene [TS]

01:04:18 ◼   ► intellectually and-and-and up and [TS]

01:04:25 ◼   ► introduced into the into the into the [TS]

01:04:30 ◼   ► story into the story of human progress [TS]

01:04:33 ◼   ► that we were that we were being [TS]

01:04:38 ◼   ► controlled by these these larger systems [TS]

01:04:41 ◼   ► literary systems language systems you [TS]

01:04:45 ◼   ► know and that those systems were [TS]

01:04:48 ◼   ► tinkering ball and we could get in and [TS]

01:04:51 ◼   ► every every group could recognize the [TS]

01:04:56 ◼   ► point at which the actual language the [TS]

01:04:58 ◼   ► actual English language was built in [TS]

01:05:00 ◼   ► such a way that it disempowered them and [TS]

01:05:04 ◼   ► the actual way that we thought that our [TS]

01:05:07 ◼   ► systems that the act that systems that [TS]

01:05:10 ◼   ► we had always considered benign or [TS]

01:05:13 ◼   ► neutral that those systems were actually [TS]

01:05:16 ◼   ► built as control apparatus and so we [TS]