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00:00:26 ◼ ► I John I'm Merlin has gone pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/26">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► we should break the fourth wall we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/31">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► should at least you know Pierce the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/34">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► forward-thinking appears the fourth wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/41">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► well I you know me I don't talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/43">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► the show on the show right now I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/46">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► other people don't like us to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/48">TS</a>]
00:00:49 ◼ ► the show on the show but but we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/49">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► recording episodes because early and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/51">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► second them as you say because because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/55">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► we're both going to be away parts of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/57">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► summer of this year 1978 and and so I we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/59">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► hope that everything we see on here will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/63">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► still make sense that uh uh as we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/64">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► done this before where you and I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/67">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► sitting and my dive founded generally to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/73">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► no I agree they're nice and loose and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/79">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► ah but I've already blown through all my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/82">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► yeah well I'm the thing I you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/87">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► feel like the 800-pound gorilla in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/88">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► room is really a 450 pound gorilla [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/90">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► I'm listening but you know part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/98">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► problem with doing episodes because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/102">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► you as you have said many times you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/104">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► to feel like our show is timeless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/106">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► evergreen yeah and you can listen to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/108">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► show at any time any episode will work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/110">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► sometimes right and we are recording [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/118">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► yes destroyed all of civilization and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/127">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► lot of our listeners are going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/131">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► wondering you know did this happen in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/132">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► I'm how did how did they do it it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/137">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► lot to explain but also there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/139">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► Macintosh talk and all my ears this much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/143">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► mcintosh stock and you and I have very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/146">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► studiously avoiding talking about all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/148">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► that's a shame that we should talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/151">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► the Macintosh talk because it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/152">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► because we want our show to be evergreen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/154">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► all who are the same guys each weapon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/157">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► everybody's lips Bergdahl oil a popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/162">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► it's that the hostage guy i mean i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/171">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► we're giving away when this show is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/175">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► being recorded enjoy the Hillary Clinton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/177">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► book uh still reading it still raining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/179">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► pretty dense I'm trying to get into Game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/183">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► because I met george RR martin do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/187">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► know I kind of want to hear about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/190">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► studious rock on the line scholars will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/195">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► know almost exactly when we're recording [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/197">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► information we've given thanks mama [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/201">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► partly feels like that is destroying the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/204">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► illusion that we are that we are posting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/206">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► these from the future but but yeah so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/209">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► so I so I i spent the day basically with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/213">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► george RR martin would you would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/216">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► forgive me a a slight law here at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/218">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► ok you are a man who exists out of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/222">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► correct your man who is not a fan in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/224">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► italics correct right but that isn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/227">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► fair to say that that in your studies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/230">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► dark web and otherwise in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/232">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► yes that's true but you know I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/235">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► you've read like you've read some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/237">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► I have you talked about it i do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/239">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► generally I mean and part partly it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/242">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► you know like I went through a phase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/245">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► many years ago when I read everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/248">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► that Harlan Ellison wrote wow and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/250">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► although his politics were inexcusable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/255">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► like it seems to be kind of things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/257">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► firefighters right i mean like is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/261">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► like the Ender's Game move his idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/264">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► like what with the proper gender roles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/267">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► were even 25 years ago when i read all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/270">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► unconscionable you can't you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/276">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► endorse it but at the same time great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/278">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► I think it is I think it's ultimately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/283">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► like you know I i talked about this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/285">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► my i'm not a fan article for the LA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/289">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► weekly which produced what I can only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/292">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► imagine was a very entertaining comments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/294">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► section that I absolutely did not visit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/297">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► I expressed I expressed to myself no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/302">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► curiosity about it like oh I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/304">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► there are people yelling at me on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/307">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► they're not going to give them even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/309">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► pleasure of thinking about that i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/311">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► go read it but uh but you know the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/312">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► complicated thing about reading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/318">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► product of someone else's imagination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/321">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► for me is always that I absolutely enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/324">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► the experience but but i am always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/329">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► conscious of of occupying like some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/333">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► rented real estate in someone else's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/337">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► imagination for a short period of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/340">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► it's not a place I i want to buy or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/342">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► build a house it's not a place that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/345">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► imagination there or I like there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/351">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► things that I experienced in in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/356">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► entering someone else's imaginative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/359">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► world that I wanted you know that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/361">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► absolutely want to borrow or take with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/362">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► me and like put into a cigar box if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/364">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► will in my imagination right i wanted i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/370">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► want to walk over I want to walk out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/374">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► harlan ellison's world would be like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/376">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► instance incest bias was a cultural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/380">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► thing right i read i read Harlan Ellison [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/387">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► story one time where the plot was oh why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/389">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► do we have a prohibition on incest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/392">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► there's there are ancient reasons for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/394">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► but really it's a cultural bias rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/398">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► than a necessary one or or an opera or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/401">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► e1 and i was like huh that makes me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/405">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► that's an idea that someone else put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/409">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► uncomfortable to think about and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/415">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► very interesting and that and that story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/416">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► was a success because you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/419">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► reveal was like poof out huh i'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/422">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► take that away i'm gonna chew on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/427">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► and yet my my first instinct he even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/428">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► when I you know even the star wars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/436">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► universe or anybody else's universe my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/437">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► first instinct is like okay that was fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/440">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► thank you for having me over and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/442">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► it's time to say goodnight and goodbye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/445">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► maybe i'll come back and visit you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/448">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► it's an Airbnb of the mind you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/450">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► want to lead on to move in yeah right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/452">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► because my own imaginative world is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/454">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► almost completely fulfilling like I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/459">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► not I do not sit around and and ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/463">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► feel like while I've run out of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/465">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► to imagine like I am so bored sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/467">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► here imagining things I would like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/472">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► see what other people are imagining I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/474">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► mean you know every once in a while I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/476">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► out of just sort of uh I hear people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/478">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► talking about something enough or or but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/481">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► it's never a case of like I'm having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/485">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► real imagination drought over here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/487">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► I'd like to go somewhere else and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/490">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► and just to you know that whole business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/493">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► that people talk about like I just turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/495">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► off and just you know and have absorbed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/497">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► understand the feeling of like turning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/504">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► off but you know turn off and go into my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/506">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► speculative fiction right and so so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/514">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► mean all the comments all the angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/520">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► comments that that made their way to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/521">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► about that fan article you know just or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/523">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► we're having the same sort of defensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/526">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► comments about the punk-rock article had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/531">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► which are like this is my world this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/533">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► important to me why are you attacking me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/535">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► and you know and i think a lot of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/537">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► is just the tone that I right or am I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/540">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► but of course I'm not attacking and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/544">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► like you really are talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/546">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► yourself talking about myself and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/548">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► and and the best comments i got word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/550">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► that handful of emails from people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/553">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► were like thank you for writing that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/554">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► described me perfectly i never thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/556">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► about it that way before I always feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/559">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► like an outsider and i'm not a fan and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/561">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► and now i know that a that I'm not alone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/564">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► and then just like oh good I'm glad that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/567">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► I made that connection with you people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/569">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► like to think like you know and I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/571">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► don't really have a dog in this fight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/573">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► too much but people but people tend to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/574">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► think and I feel that sometimes when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/577">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► meet people who are really into comics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/579">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► that don't like or not into not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/581">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► don't like that are into some comic that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/584">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► all of my other friends and she was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/585">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► it's like you don't understand it yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/589">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► you know and so I know that I know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/591">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► feeling that feeling of community that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/593">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► comes out of out of fandom but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/595">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► and I don't I didn't get that you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/597">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► like saying that the other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/599">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► shouldn't be fans know God why all means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/601">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► be fan like your fans i do i like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/604">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► fans i like so many people who are fans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/607">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► it's just a I'm just kind of describing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/610">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► like a like my state and it's not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/613">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► that I mean in some ways nothings and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/618">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► check myself too much but like it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/619">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► of how I feel with me in like politics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/622">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► and current affairs like I don't hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/624">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► politics and current affairs i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/626">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► even hate that people have strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/628">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► opinions about it's just not my thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/630">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► and I really feel like it in that case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/632">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► I'm the one saying i'm not a fan like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/633">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► feel like an outcast I feel like people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/635">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► think I i don't know i don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/637">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► people think but sometimes i wonder if i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/640">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► come across someone who doesn't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/642">TS</a>]
00:10:43 ◼ ► about something I care a lot about stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/643">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► I just don't feel the need to have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/645">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► like arguments about it with people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/647">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► well that's the and that's the thing i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/649">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► mean in the form of politics the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/651">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► who are fans of politics don't describe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/654">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► themselves using fan language they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/656">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► describe themselves using language where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/660">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► if you you know if you aren't interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/661">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► in politics that you're not engaged in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/663">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► the present world and you don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/666">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► you know and really you're absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/669">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► right their motivation is is very fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/671">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► based or or a lot of a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/676">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► politics groupies are fan-based the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/678">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► people that are writing about politics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/681">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► everyday and writing about politicians [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/683">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► like they are stars and you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/684">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► true that's true of any of any of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/689">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► you know the way our culture is siloed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/693">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► and somebody wrote somebody wrote an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/696">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► interesting so so the the bass player of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/698">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► skin yard who went on to own CZ records [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/703">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► one of the seminal Seattle grunge labels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/711">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► he posted he reposted my fan article on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/713">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► his facebook page and typically like his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/718">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► friends on Facebook are all the Krusty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/723">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► grunge era cross towards that that hated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/728">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► my punk rock article 2 and there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/735">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► lot of shit talking there and he posted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/737">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► it like this is interesting to me at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/739">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► this that i'm not sure i'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/741">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► about this but i but I kind of feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/743">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► I might even be one of these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/746">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► that's in this category of like as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/747">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► difficult relationship to fandom but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/750">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► there was a lot of angry yelling on his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/753">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► facebook page and that was kind of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/754">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► extent of the angry yelling that I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/755">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► that I allowed myself to see before I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/757">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► yeah yeah but there was an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/762">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► comment from someone on there that said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/764">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► like this the this John Roderick person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/766">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► seems like somebody who is primarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/770">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► interested in the breadth of experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/774">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► and not especially interested in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/776">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► depth of experience and I was like and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/779">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► you know I walked away and chew on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/783">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► it's certainly a conclusion that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/788">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► be drawn it's a conclusion that can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/790">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► drawn it was a hundred percent accurate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/791">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► interesting thought technology it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/794">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► interesting thought technology and I and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/796">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► and what I felt what I feel like is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/798">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► extrapolation to to get through life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/803">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► you don't have to i mean somebody that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/807">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► had a memento like condition where every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/809">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► experience they had to figure out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/812">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► terms of it a new completely a new with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/814">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► no prior experience you know that what a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/819">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► nightmare that would be yeah like you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/821">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► through enough situations that when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/823">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► see a guy when you see a guy who has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/826">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► bleached his goatee you pretty much know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/829">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► what you're you pretty much know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/833">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► you're dealing with somebody that once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/835">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► jalapenos in their food you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/836">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► you don't have to think of you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/842">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► you don't have to meet this guy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/844">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► figure it out again right like oh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/845">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► believe you bleach your facial hair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/848">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► betting that you think that your foods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/849">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► not hot enough i guess if you when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/852">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► you're thinking of asking do you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/854">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► you don't have to ask you want to hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/856">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► off of whatever it is exactly he wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/857">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► to hit off of and he's the pad person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/859">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► who want to get off of everything you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/861">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► want cream cheese on that I bet you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/863">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► cream cheese on the key so so uh so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/865">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► know my my experience of depth when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/870">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► comes to anything kind of culturally or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/873">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► experiential e is that I experienced the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/876">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► extrapolation like I I i go down a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/883">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► street in a neighborhood and I say okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/888">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► I got a picture of this neighborhood now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/892">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► because I've gone down this street and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/896">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► maybe I turned and went down a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/899">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► street and i'm going to extrapolate what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/902">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► the character of this neighborhood is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/904">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► through through that experience now next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/906">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► time I'm going on a trip from point A to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/909">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► point B do i go down this same street [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/912">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► again because it was the route because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/915">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► it was the fastest route or do I take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/917">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► guy take a second route a new route so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/920">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► that i can increase that power of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/925">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► I can increase my like my sample size so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/929">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► that again i start to get a picture of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/935">TS</a>]
00:15:37 ◼ ► this whole part of the town i start to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/937">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► get a picture of this whole community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/939">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► that's interesting instead of being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/940">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► fan of this particular route and because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/942">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► you like it more than the one other one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/945">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► you tried you're saying I want to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/946">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► what all these do right and and and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/948">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► is my experience of culture to like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/951">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► always trying to increase my sample size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/953">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► so i can use the power of extrapolation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/955">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► to know more and and what I what I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/958">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► is you know like i do not have it i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/962">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► not have a deep knowledge of of a of any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/964">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► process right like how do you get to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/970">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► a how do you get to be a great luthier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/973">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► how do you get to be the ultimate sushi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/975">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► chef you know you do the same thing over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/978">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► and over and over until your knowledge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/980">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► of it is like in your hands it's in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/983">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► practitioner other thing because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/990">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► have you have turned that experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/993">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► you've gone through wrote into like body [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/996">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► uh-huh uh-huh and I don't have that with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► anything even with guitar like I'm not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► i find it very very difficult to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► practice the same thing over and over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► again I'm always playing something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► different and new and other and and in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1014">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► way that that informs how I how I make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► the problem is it's I never do that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► never play the link multiple times until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► i can do it you know and it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► technical musician but but what I what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► do instead is always take a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► route always trying new food you know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► was i was at a restaurant with a friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► the other day and they were like I come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► to this restaurant with you 50 times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► you've never ordered the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► and I ordered the same thing every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► yeah and I think that's true that's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► for a lot of people and they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► remarking on it and it took them 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► visits with me to to realize it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► that every time you order something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► different and I think that that makes me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► a little uncomfortable like each time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► you're going to try something new like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► is it all like it can't always be good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► and I'm like no sometimes it is not good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► sometimes it's not but each but a meal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► is just a moment you know and if you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► if you get a bad one like like sweeping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1076">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► into the trash you know tried to try and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► the new thing the next time so it's a so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► it's a it's a relationship to phantom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► relationship to experience which is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► I don't care to do the same thing enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► times that i developed a deep knowledge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► because deep knowledge of a process or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► of a of a any any real deep knowledge is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► a thing i feel like i can approximate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► through analogy and like I would much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► rather see the IC increase my breath [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► over right now and but let me let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► just help add a note here that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► is important which is I don't hear you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► saying that means nobody else should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► have deep knowledge of things or ignore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► that that's not valuable you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► the only way i could be this way is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1136">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► I is that I'm surrounded by people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► have deep knowledge agree though that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► isn't that something that people here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► when you use when you say i have chosen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► to like know enough about these couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► things to be able to extrapolate and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► learn and learn about a new thing I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► to know about your you're curious person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► that doesn't mean that you don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► other people should become experts know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► and I don't understand how anybody could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► I mean I guess I feel like it's weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► yeah I and I feel like when I talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► my experience I talked about it with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► with with unnatural pride right like i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► am proud of how I am I i don't i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► defending how I am against attackers i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► because i feel like that whole modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► tendency to apologize for who you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► first like hello hi nice to meet you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► listen I'm sorry that I'm different from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► you but I'm just gonna I have to express [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► my difference and I know it's bad but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► please don't hurt me but here I am I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► hate that I i feel like i I'm I'm proud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1196">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► something i should be ashamed of but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► expressing who i am in a way that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► that seems like just sort of a contented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:09 ◼ ► or happy or or or that I prefer the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1209">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► that I am is immediately interpreted as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► preference for myself is is somehow an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► expression that I am better uh want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► share the church is categorically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► disrespectful almost yeah right like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► yes I I don't prefer to be an expert so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► anybody that's an expert is a fucking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► idiot like and I don't know where people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► how people make that leap it's in it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► an invisible missed in a culture today i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► feel i feel it all the time it's bananas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► it is and it's it's so it's so cocky and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► self-involved to assume that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► understand that much about somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► who's not who's not even saying anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► against what you believe or saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► anything against the very idea that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1256">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► like to believe what you believe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► it's so it's a caustic and unnecessary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► but I feel like it's everywhere and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► you and you really you sound one sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► very self-involved or insulated if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► don't excuse yourself for not knowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► everything about somebody and you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► mean tennis is such a weird situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► well this and again this this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► comment section in on the Daniel house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► facebook page there was a guy and at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► certain point of the full disclosure at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► a certain point I started to comment on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► his Facebook page no because John the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► first commenter was a guy that was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► like you know what this guy's a fucking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► asshole i hated his punk rock article i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► hate his whole attitude he thinks he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► better than everybody else he thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► he's smarter than everybody else and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► his music sucks and he's got a fucking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► stupid haircut and his glasses are dumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► everything about this guy sucks and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► fucking and that he's an asshole and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1316">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► hate him and you know so that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► first comment and it's known as well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► know and it gets like it gets a like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► five times or something and it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► that but then there's three or four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► comments from people that are like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► don't know this article seems pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► well it seems pretty reasonable i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► i-i don't know if I agree that kiss is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► no good because I like kiss but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► but you know a couple people defending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► or at least making that conciliatory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► facebook like medium post and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► guy comes back and he's like no you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► what you guys Bob habitat you're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► wrong and another thing about this guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► like his she's got bad taste in shoes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► and he's like Ed perturb and so finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► of course I'll III show up here I come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► I'm like huh i'm the writer of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► article and I'm reading your comments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► you know I'm reading your comments and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► I'm and I feel like I'm not trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1374">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► attack anybody with this article I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1377">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► just expressing who i am i'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► talking from my perspective it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► bad thing and so angry guy comes back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► and now he feels a little bit like o.o [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► the there's an adulterer like bit adults [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► are in the room now so i have to pretend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► I'm an adult and he's like well I'm it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► very I'm very pleased to see that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► here defending yourself but I just have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► to take issue with the fact that you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► such a that you're so arrogant and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► like well I'm not arrogant I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► talking about my experience and why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► would I why would I apologize for for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► you know what i mean and he's and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► comes back again a third time with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► chastising me about my tone and and so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► wrote i would like you sir to read back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:49 ◼ ► on your posts on this facebook page and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1429">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► reflect on your tone and then contrast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► it with my tone and tell me which tone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1437">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► you prefer like my know-it-all tone that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► like so offensive to you because I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► because I'm proud of myself right you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► an idiot and he's speaking truth to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► power now or yeah exactly or you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► you are pouring vitriol against someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► you don't know and don't understand and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► your instinct your first instinct is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► be butthurt and up and like pissy bitchy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► so what world you want to live in you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► know like I'm i and and and that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► idea that two to be to not apologize for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► yourself is the greatest crime is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► first crime you know is the is the is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► the premier crime in in our internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► culture now to not begin with a I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► no right to speak but now that I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1496">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► acknowledge that i'm going to proffer my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► humble opinion and I and now i'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► slowly back out of the room bowing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► scraping and that and that's what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► necessary to not be to not be taken as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► like a strident combative and ultimately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► I don't get it I don't get it it's um I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► think when you're doing any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► personal writing when you're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► about yourself when you're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► yourself it as a member of society which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► is what a lot of personal sites are in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► some ways it's um I mean it'sit's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► have to be skillful to say something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► it's be very skillful to say something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► new and used to be somewhat courageous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► to say something honest I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► very difficult to efficiently say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► anything that's interesting and new and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► honest without a lot of people getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► upset sometimes very little reason and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► it isn't it isn't a mean people can sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1555">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► and I think that reads you're right i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1557">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► think that people read that as arrogant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► but like the thing is though if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► don't want it so what do you do to not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► get that reaction from people you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► something that's not new and you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► something is dishonest you say something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► that everybody can agree with because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► they already think that and that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► right thats that's just asking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► compliments and that's that's not making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► yea yea it is an enemy and it's part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► i think the growing sense of like online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► life as a as a group think consensus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► machine where we're we're not we are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► trying to invent something new right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► in our at this moment in our culture we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► are not trying to put a man on the moon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► we are not trying to push the boundaries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► of what it is to be a you know human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► animal or 0 or a global culture we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► just at least online just trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► round off all the nubs and sand the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1617">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► corners and figure out and and basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► like shout people into a consensus that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► makes us feel like that validates our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► own prejudices and figure out how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► of that is about corralling a temporary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► tribe of people who categorically agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► on who is a bad person and why they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► ask yourself how many things that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► consider like important conversations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► all mostly stopped at who's a bad person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► uh-huh and then ask yourself what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► get out of that in terms of making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► specially if 36 hours you move on to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► find another tribe that you can agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► with and I really do I really honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► do believe that but I mean you know of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► several years ago 10 years ago we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► very worried about the Millennials and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► don't want to dump on the Millennials [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► because I some of the smartest people I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► know are part of that generation is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► arrogant and some of the fuck you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1675">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► some of the funniest stuff that is being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1677">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► bandied about is coming from Millennials [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► who have a who have a a different enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► take and a kind of let you know and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► power of youth but but ten years ago we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► were we were all very concerned about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► this brand new generation that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► arriving had never gotten a bad grade no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► one had ever given them an F no one has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► ever told them they needed to try a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► her they were congratulated at every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► step of the way and now they were 18 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► years old they were entering the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► and they were really unhappy to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► that they didn't get a round of applause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► every time they pooped and this was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► know this was ten years ago when we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► adults and we were like oh there's a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► generation arriving on the scene and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► it's kind of weird interacting with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► because they are indignant that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► like and and their indignant is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1735">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► we were characterizing it as this as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► product of this era of no bad grades k-8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► if I effective make it worse they seldom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► seldom analyzed and ignorance but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► really felt like something that arrive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► by fedex one day and that they really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► completely deserved was this just this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► constant sense of like explain i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► mean to be negative about it but I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► got this sense of-of always looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► bad stuff and everything as a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► explain why your life sucks right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► and and and crucially unreflective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► that's that's exactly right they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► not reflecting inwardly they're fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► reflecting on other people and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► planning on what they need to be doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► differently be more unhappy like them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► yeah well so here we are 10 years later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► and we're no longer really talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► Millennials in that way because that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► that was the way that we thought about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► them when they were newly minted adults [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► they weren't kids anymore but they still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1796">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► were very kid-like now that generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► is in its thirties and it is it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► producing a lot of culture it is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► like it is really generating that it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► tone of the conversation and and so i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► i'm beginning to try and do what we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► done with every generation so far in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► life which is kind of slop them in to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► what the story is you know what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► Millennials are typically the children [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► and you're in my generation is this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► intergeneration that is largely going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► you know we're a smaller population wise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► words were much smaller than the Boomers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► before us or their children after us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► there fewer of us and we're going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► marginalized we already are marginalized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► we always were marginalized when we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► 18 the popular music on the charts was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► still boomer music and we had our brief [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► moment in the early nineties where our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► culture poked through for a little while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► and we were regarded as a sulky entitled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► generation ourselves and then we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► got like we just sort of got dust heaped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► as the culture moved on like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► weren't really interested in hearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► from us anymore whatever it was that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► contributed was just kind of like ironic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► and everything every year we're moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► more and more out of the target demo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► yeah right you know we were like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► sneer errs who sneered our way right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► into like a position where we acquiesce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► invalidated entirely our prior sneery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► mentality you know like we we self [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1916">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► invalidated ourselves in a way that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► it took the Boomers 25 years to do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► announced today that the idea of selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► out is it is disappearing away we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► couldn't imagine even five years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► yeah right and and and in it in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► sense good riddens because that was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► was self-defeating but in another sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► everything isn't there everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► marketing now I mean everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► marketing including journalism I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► things that we thought were were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► unassailable including a personality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► your personality you're a mean every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► fucking thing and I say that as somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► who who embraces the fact that you and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► have found an advertiser for our program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► like love a love the idea of making a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► living doing creative work but my god i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► go on the internet i'm trying to find a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► thing I want to search for the the I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► want to search for some information on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► the thirty years war and the fucking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► thing pops up and it's like if you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► the Thirty Years War you're gonna love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► the new nissan sentra a team that Carl's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► jr. you know go click to this BuzzFeed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► thing and it's and you're just gonna and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► every time you look for the arrow to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► the next picture it's actually going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/1997">TS</a>]
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00:37:59 ◼ ► on the line we could not do it without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► the one Tolkien I haven't read is his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► apparently genius translation of Beowulf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► which went unpublished until very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► recently that was his like his a cassie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2293">TS</a>]
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00:38:21 ◼ ► the other before he did the fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► writing he wrote this like really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► translation of Beowulf and then never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► published it just sat on it huh and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2307">TS</a>]
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00:38:32 ◼ ► state has finally published yeah but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► gotta be careful what you leave on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► computer yeah I'm shaman know another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► beer sketches by genre but he he wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2319">TS</a>]
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00:38:46 ◼ ► been his leaves of grass he kept writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► it or or no monkeying with all didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► but george RR martin very curious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► character very interesting to interact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► oh really yes but of the old-school you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► know like remember when we were young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► yes and the difference between the Nerds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► that you know that play Dungeons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2364">TS</a>]
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00:39:42 ◼ ► were just a dimension beyond like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► guys who talked about swords there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2385">TS</a>]
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00:39:51 ◼ ► science class who was a friend of mine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► we talked about we talked about fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► writing and science fiction together and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2397">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► we enjoyed Dungeons and Dragons culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► but he had notebooks full of designs of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► swords that he was sincere about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► learning the ancient arts swordmaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► 222 craft these swords to shoo them out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2420">TS</a>]
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00:40:33 ◼ ► that is you are choosing to pursue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► esoterica down a rabbit hole to the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► like swordmaking is never going it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► relevant it's never going to be relevant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► now it's you are on a siding and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► appreciate like that that I appreciate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► the art I appreciate the history I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► appreciate everything about it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2460">TS</a>]
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00:41:07 ◼ ► or what made it exciting was that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► was a part of the fantasy where he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► believed that maybe one day civilization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► would crumble and swords would be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► way we interact with each other again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► telling a freethinker like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2486">TS</a>]
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00:41:30 ◼ ► thoughts about how stuff is going to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► he's not he's not doing it to be cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► he's not doing it because you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► the next obvious step given that his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► father's a swordsmith he's got a larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2498">TS</a>]
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00:41:47 ◼ ► culture fantasy culture cosplay culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2507">TS</a>]
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00:42:06 ◼ ► aware that they are in my charity and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► they are enjoying these cultures and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► I cannot help but feel like they all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► secretly hope that the grid goes down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► certainly can read done a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► that these are red dawn fantasies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► that when the grid does go down their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► swords smithing there uh you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► fact that they can cook a hearty meal in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► a kettle the fact that they know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► entertain themselves with just a flute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► and foot bells they've dealt with in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► period lice and that's right that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► right thing in the civil war thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► gotta it's okay if you have please like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► yeah you figure figure out the fleas in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► the lights you figure out that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► though that suddenly those skills which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2575">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► we all thought were laughable are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2577">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► to be are going to come in very handy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► and the traveling minstrels and the and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► the the jugglers and the Juggalos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► what are all technology just waiting for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► the apocalypse they are and I and I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► like I mean and this may be the the this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► may be my cold war childhood speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► but I cannot help but think all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► alternative cultures are in some ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► secret apocalypse cults and everybody is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► privately preparing for what they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► on the flipside like all the gun nuts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► all the survivalists all the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► are more out about what they call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► preparing for the water wars are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► preparing for the when the government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► comes and what they're really doing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► fantasizing about those things they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► praying for those eventualities because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2637">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► their preparation is like it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► excited they're so enthusiastic about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► they are hoping to God that the grid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► goes down and that they are defending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► their homes against hordes and anna and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► i really feel like like the fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► world and the and the what we you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► what we think of as the nerd world at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► least the at least the steampunky ran [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► fairy artisanal craftsman side of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► it's also like suddenly prepping for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► for the end times in and the other did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► never never thought of that because when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► you think about somebody you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► the typical thing would be when you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► like not even renfaire just like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► medieval Middle Ages kind of dressup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► thinking why would you want to spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► your weekend acting like you're living [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► in this really squalid time with no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2697">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► resources and you know horrible health [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► conditions and terrible food and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► look at instead instead of looking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► the past and pining is the instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► thinking let's look into the future and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► preparing yeah thats turkey leg is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► to look pretty good couple years I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► what they're doing is making apocalypse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► and and you know and its really like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► tech people who are right in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► of the culture who are you know the tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► people are betting that everything keeps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► going you know protect people are laying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► the groundwork for the fact that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► grid does not go down and that really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► the skill sets that are going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► needed in the future our skill sets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► built on what we're doing now and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► like that conversation i had with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► jonathan coulton many years ago when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► know when my daughter was born his kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2756">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► are a little bit older than mine and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► was like you know I was expressing my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► kind of hippie like suspicion of screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► well i don't think i'm going to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► i don't think i'm likely going to let my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► kid what you look very interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► thoughts on that that really have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► yeah and he he was like well why are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► doing that like all they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► have our screens in the future where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► the future where we're going where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► that's going to be their lot they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► lighter in which we will spend the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► of our lives right and so the longer you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► deprive her of screens it's like you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► it's like you are refusing to let her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► use a fork because they didn't use to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► have Forks or something like these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► tools things like a even ate like to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► this is super productive but might that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► I walked away with thinking well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► know I i want i read so much bullshit i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► don't like to my daughter but she wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► to read it so it doesn't matter if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► barbie or my little pony or green [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2817">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► lantern like I will read it to her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► I want her to hear lots of words I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► her to read lots of words and if those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► are the words to get her excited that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► good i i music there's a part of me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► I really admit this is reductive but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► after to having that conversation with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► with you know we have different names [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► John that falling really different sides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► of the fence about this it's interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► no yeah they argue with one another and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► still they still do but you know but for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► me it's like that's the new literacy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► like it just doesn't feel like literacy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► to us I so what I say to my daughter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► educational books for an hour a day I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► know it's not exactly the same thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► can look at books but they need to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► educational there was a time when people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► thought books were like or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► they're gonna be really upsetting a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► with a you know theocracy in place like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► that's really dangerous information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► well I mean I feel like even when she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► playing monument valley like even when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► she's trying to buy and failing thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► God to buy buy toys for talking a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► cartoon cat on a screen like at the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► time she's learning to manipulate that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2876">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► she's learned that she's learning to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2877">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► type a little bit and I didn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► learn to type until I was like 18 right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► and Mike my God if you don't have that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► mean god bless the people who don't play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► their kids recorded music and make them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► haha we have a friend who goes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► waldorf and water is a very interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► educational program but it on the face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► of it freaks me out a little bit like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► psu group also well I don't know enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► about it everybody does what r says it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► not as bad as it sounds but you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► idea is it's really all about playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► playing play which is great but like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► play with fairly simple toys and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► not supposed to listen to recorded music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► you've never let you never do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► with screens at all until a certain age [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► and anyway I don't be productive about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► it but like for me like I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► somewhat my life has been made so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► better and frustrating sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► bye-bye this computer stuff but we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► to understand that back to your thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► about the Millennials we still think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► about this computer stuff for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► that's just life in the sooner like she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► gets good at that version of life the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► more prepared she'll be to make good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► decisions when that stuff gets weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► which it will in a couple years right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2937">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► anyway I've never so far off george RR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► martin but-but-but but-but-but in what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► you're saying so I swear I I feel like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:08 ◼ ► feel like it's very interesting how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► how how many trends in the popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► culture in and sort of every direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► of every political stripe can be traced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► back to a kind of 222 an apocalypse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► culture just putters along in a state of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► of like unreflective mass of block step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► informant even the negative thinking is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► that things will get worse in a way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► yeah right its gonna be like oh but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► know it's gonna be hard it's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► harder to it's gonna be harder to get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► my shade of lipstick in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► because uh because apparently it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/2996">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► as your Selina Kyle and the dark knight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► rises like great cosmetics after she got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► she really did and I did I can only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► assume that she spent all the time she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► wasn't on screen like up at macys going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► through the darkened I think it's clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► that she moved into account a mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► cosmetics store before being shut off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► yes and she's just to disappear for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► while you'd be like where did you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► did you notice that I was like personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► and halfway very beautiful woman but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► it looks like half a Dickens character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► well this is the thing I think a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► the female superheroes what we forget is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► that their mask is makeup right they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► the female superheroes often do not wear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► masks because they because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► pretty face is necessary and so Batman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► she is you know it's it's a it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► skin-tight bodysuit and a animated face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3057">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► like that's her costume but in any case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► the tech people are the ones that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► curious to me because they are not part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► of the lockstep mass culture that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► reflectively they often trend culturally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► with with these like apocalypse and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► modern primitive calls but everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► that they do is contingent on if a on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► faith that technology and technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► will survive that progress is linear and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► always you know always building on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► that you know that if your kid doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► learn the swipe gesture across asswipe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► screen that 10 years from now they won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► they won't be able to even read a book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► because everything will let the swiping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► is like once but now that we're in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► swipe world everything will follow from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► the swype and that's a that is a curious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► kind of faith and a curious like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► whatever the Articles of Confederation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► are of people that go to Macworld and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► oracle with what what are the new you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► yeah what are the new swipes is plural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► marriage allowed yet in at back world if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► not it's only a matter of time like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► that whole that whole subset of and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► which makes up a huge part of my world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► the people that I know and r & m friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► with we discuss you at the meetings I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► know you do online journal like and its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► allies get see it there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► livejournal talk that's like when is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3177">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► just when are we gonna finally when will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► jontron into the room when well Jon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► teach the swipe his negativity has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► become problematic apocalypse apocalypse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► george RR martin here here here was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► first story that george RR martin told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► me I said how to you and your wife meet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► and he said in the early seventies she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► was she worked for Ringling Brothers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► Circus and we went to a early convention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► and because it was the early seventies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► there was an all like a women-only sauna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► at the comics convention and I went into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► the women's only sauna naked to liberate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► the gender bias inherent you know in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► woman's only sana-i I went in there as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► like a as a warrior men's rights warrior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► so what's already 1971 or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► that's very courageous and she it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► real oh she felt like there is no it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► very appealing my you know my bolt the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► seasoning serious this is the real story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► yeah and I was just like I mean I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► standing on top of like a teetering pile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► of like under stories or I'm just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► okay wait a minute now what will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► she's she works for Ringling Brothers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► you guys are at a at a world con there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► is a woman's only sauna that you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► liberating and that's how you met and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3295">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► he's like well I mean I was you know my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► exactly he may your wife of john bands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► like show he and he's like well and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► I married someone else for a period but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► then we met again always look prettier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► for Windows but I was like okay this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► all happening in 1971 this is a separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► thread of the culture that goes back a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► long long time that he is one of the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► know he's one of the early early early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► he said he you know worldcon was like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► big part of his his universe at a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► up the where with the the coach culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► at large and even the nerd historians [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► like have a hard time going that far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:55 ◼ ► back in the culture to a time when like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3355">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► I I so I and I swear to you that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► they they absolutely were probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► wearing puffy sleeve garments there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► might have been a good jingle stick gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► our apt though and so I'm I'm like I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► so enthralled and so elated picturing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► these nerds at the dawn of what we think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► of as like fan culture and so his wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► is sitting there and I'm like tell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► your version of this story and she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► like well you know what Iowa i'm a fan I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► am one of the early fans and we were the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:40 ◼ ► first generation of people who recognize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3400">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► that being a fan was its own thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► I've spent my whole life as a fan of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► science fiction and um and fantasy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► it's made a beautiful life for me so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3418">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► it was extraordinary extraordinary to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► hear like that they were they created [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► that culture in the quiet in a way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:15 ◼ ► know what I mean like they were not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3435">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► trying to interact with the larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► culture they found one another at these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► at these comic cons and it was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► imperfect it was an imperfect center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► probably but close enough for the circus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► people and the burlesque people and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► vaudeville people and them fantasy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► science fiction people like they all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► they all found each other in a way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► I think we think of we think of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► experiencing experience happening really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► in modern times like that's the nerd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► narrative but what you just described in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► some ways is what how people talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► things like Woodstock how you get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► mean i mean and i don't mean to sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3476">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► productive but I mean like in the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3478">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► sense of going like there was a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► when people who are really into free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► speech and weed and free love and beat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► poetry and all these things that now we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► there was a time when the all the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► who are if you like outsiders of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► certain kind of middle-class you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► outsider like found a commonality in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► that and now that all seems really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► obvious but at the time it probably was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► not at all and in this case it's even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► contemporaneous with that and and yet a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► tiny tiny fraction of the size of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► know like it was not general interest it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► was very specific so so it's also like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► one underground you know that's when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► your when your body are chrome was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:44 ◼ ► underground comics were huge then for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3524">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► its the cabs are old you know which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► franco is doing with with Marvel stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► yeah right never then everybody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► getting hi to her but so so meeting him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3535">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► and his wife and seeing their connection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► to this culture and then he has cs4 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► assistance George RR Martin's for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► systems whom he describes as his minions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► they describe themselves as his main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► lights right all four of them are women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► who are a little zaftig who have dark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► curly hair but they wear in braids and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► one of them is British there couple that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► are like a Americans one of them never I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► never actually saw only heard spoken of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► they're all like hilarious super-smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► like in their thirties or forties and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► they act as his intermediaries as his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► planners as his you know they're there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► more than assistance you know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3594">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► like executive assistants but like there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3596">TS</a>]
00:59:58 ◼ ► are four of them and they interact with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3598">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► another seamlessly like it's a culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► night at hand and it's very captivating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► and been like why and you know when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► kind of a flirt with him and he flirts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► with them like it's a their interactions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:16 ◼ ► are very flirty and it and it's exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3616">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► the way that people on the jonathan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► coulton cruise or people at Comicon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► you know I've seen it before I've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► this culture before where it's there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► lot of flirtation there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► confidence and lightness sometimes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► know what i mean but isn't it kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► like oh I'm I don't know what I'm doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► I'm a flighty idiot but now like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► smart people but we're very confident [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► and as you like to say like aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► asking for your approval about how this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► is going exactly and I think if you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► you got into a political conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► with anyone of them their politics would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► be absolutely dead on you know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3656">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► mean like there there's no it isn't a it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► isn't a a patriarchal cult-like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► these women are fully empowered and yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► they are play-acting a kind of sexuality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► and george RR martin is the is the Papa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► figure and everybody's very comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► with that they're very comfortable with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:21 ◼ ► with I mean you know this is a guy who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3681">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► in the early seventies when liberated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► the women sauna can't forget that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► know and and when I think about and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► husband and I had a long conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► about this where we were both like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► know there were the nerve they were the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► cool kids over here having sex with each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► other and wearing polo shirts with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► collars up and going to beer parties and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► then they're they're nerds over here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► having sex with each other and go into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► beer parties and wearing their velvet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► collars popped or whatever and how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► fuck did we end up being like right in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► between in the in the narrowband [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► pinheiro cultural band of kids that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3717">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► weren't having sex with each other you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► know we were sitting there silently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► judging both cultures and in fact uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► sleeping the district slept alone every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► it's so I'd love John's describe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► might have been in it when the husband [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► interesting interview but point John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► Hodgman was describing the way that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► dressed when he was in high school here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► to talk about this like kind of a doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► briefcase he had a ponytail yeah yeah he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► was you know he was working working a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► lot of different angles and figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► which one was going to be coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► together like a lot of people cobbling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► together your own idea of what cool was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► with without you know much outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► influenced this dear you want another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► yeah I i understood that uh I my mom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► would not buy me an izod shirt because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► they were $85 or something like that at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3776">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► a time when you could get a shirt with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► little fire breathing dragon on it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► sears for fourteen dollars right and uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► I remember going to the fabric store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► with her one day when I was in ninth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► grade or something like that which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► already like you're going to the fabric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► store with your mom in ninth grade loser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► and I'm walking through the fabric store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► and there's a little embroidered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► alligator do but she's he's like he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► happy alligator this island clearly not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► the look at southgate he's about twice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► as big as the cost allegorical and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► like looking at the least looking at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► viewer and maybe even is giving a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► thumbs-up and I said you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► that's my alligator and i bought it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► I had it sewn on actually my Levi's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► jacket and then like smiling alligator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3837">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► was my little motif and and I I i might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► even had it i bought a second one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► had its own my ski sweater you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:15 ◼ ► yeah except there's a smiling alligator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3855">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► pears up and I was like I firmly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► believed that I would be respected and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► outsider take on being an insider and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► will be constant version who made I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:33 ◼ ► just reviled I was reviled by everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3873">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► no one liked it no one thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3877">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► good you know and I was so proud like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► you know smart my smile an alligator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► I you know I get it right no wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► although you know maybe yes maybe if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► just stuck around in my smile an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► good now you know I'd now be at the at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► the center of some you know some advil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPSx3uE/3902">TS</a>]